Struggling to Stay Consistent? How One Creator Solved It with AI

0:05 Good morning podcasting Morning chat. Today is Monday, November 10th, 2025, and today if you're drowning in tasks and feeling short on time, you're going to relate. Our own Nick Naulback joins us to share how he built his own AI app in 48 hours to fix it. So if you're listening live on Clubhouse, hit the share button, bottom left hand side of the screen and share it. However, Clubhouse lets you. And if you're catching this via podcast, chatter, YouTube, please share this episode with a fellow podcaster. Now give us about 30 seconds. We'll get things rolling. Thanks for being here.

1:21 Good morning again, podcasting, Morning Chat. Thanks so much for being here. I am your host Mark Ronik, and currently on stage with me we have Dr. Faye, Jonathan Howard, Feel Better, Sid Meadows and Nick Nallback. And hello to Ralph and Dave who have joined us as well, and feel free to come on up and join us and join the conversation this morning. And today we're going to dig into something Nick posted on LinkedIn. He started a newsletter, and we'll get into all of that. But most importantly, I have known a little bit about this behind the scenes. He's built an app that I think could be huge for a lot of content creators.

2:01 And more importantly, he did it with AI and did it relatively quickly. I know it still has some work to do, but the meat and potatoes of it in just 48 hours. So we're going to hear what prompted Nick to do this, pardon the pun, and what it actually is. How could it help us? So we'll dig into that as well. I'm glad Nick liked my pun was not planned. It just kind of happened that way. Anyway, I do want to remind you, as you know if you've been following along the past few weeks, Podcasting Morning Chat has been doing a weekly podcast evaluation. People are submitting their podcasts for us to review, discuss and share what we like about it, what we think could be improved, just to really help another fellow podcaster be all that they can be. Her lack of a better way of putting it. But this coming week we're going to be dissecting and yes, another pun this morning because the name of the podcast is Exam Room Nutrition.

3:07 This is a podcast that's helping medical professionals give better nutritional guidance to their patients and improve outcomes. So we're, I'm looking forward to digging into this one. I think this person found us on LinkedIn originally and asked to submit their show. So I will share that with my team that's here with me on stage. I will share links with you all in our private chats, although I'm going to share it also in the show notes and share it here live with all of you as well. This way, if you want to follow along this week or participate even and join us on stage, you can. And remember, we don't just do the episode itself.

3:48 We talked about the whole podcast from everything from the title of the series to the cover art to series description to episode titles, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. We do it all, so even if you don't hear the whole episode that we'll be evaluating, there'll be plenty to comment on for sure. This is going to be. Interesting, because I think this is going to be our first one that we've done that's an actual interview. Yes, that's right. This is yes, so far the how many have we done? 3 now and all three have been solo podcasts, which is interesting because it feels like most podcasts are always interview based or just so many of them are. So yeah, our first one interview based episode. That's cool.

4:32 And also I was going to try to tell you that I'm coming to you using the brand new Zoom pod track P4 next. This is basically like a mini Rd. caster pro or to maybe some who don't know what a roadcaster Pro is in an audio mixer. This is where I can plug in clubhouse. I can meaning plug in my phone, I can plug in my computer, I can plug in four different microphones all to it and it captures everything and even multi tracks it etcetera. Well, I've been using the Zoom pod track P4, the predecessor. I usually use that when I'm traveling.

5:12 And I saw that this new model came out the P4 next. And as a gadget guy, I kind of was like, I got to get it. And partially because I feel like it's a cool thing for me to do as somebody who people come to for advice on different areas of podcasting, including equipment. So I figured, let me get this and start playing with it. And I had it all set up and some of you were here with me testing it live before we officially started. And it was doing OK, but it sounded different to everybody. And then somebody told me they're they heard some crackling and that ain't going to cut it. So I think I have to continue to play with the settings a little bit and not play with it 3 minutes before Showtime.

5:55 I'm going to be the the token non gear head here and ask some rudimentary questions like why would the new podcaster need this? So I would say that the new podcaster doesn't need it, but I would say that it's something that would be helpful and it's relatively affordable. When we talk about podcast equipment, I've shared before the Roadcaster Pro 2, which is what I am using right now to record this. It's a $700.00 piece of equipment and not something I would encourage a new podcaster to get. But if a new podcaster has a more complex setup or or aspiring to have one, meaning maybe they have more than one person recording in the same room at the same time. Maybe they're using their phone to take callers, whether they're using something like Clubhouse like us or something else. If there are different things that you want happening all at the same time as far as hardware goes, you really do quote UN quote need a mixer like the P4.

6:59 Next, there are other models out there. This is not the one and only, but it will help you marry all of the different pieces of your audio equipment together and at a very affordable price. And if you're a podcaster, let's say new or veteran that's maybe on the go a lot, getting something like the P4 next is a great solution because it's small, it's really lightweight, and it allows you to do all the things I just shared with you. So those would be some reasons why you would consider getting it. The cost of its 179 I believe, and I know I should be sharing a link live here. We will make sure to share everything in the show notes as well.

7:42 No Ashley, no producer Ashley today, so she usually would be the one to put this link up for you. I'll make sure I I get it up for you at some point here in the show and Speaking of which you know I'm I'm going to probably share an Amazon link Black Friday's coming. So maybe this is something you want to consider because who knows? We'll see. It's a new item, but that doesn't mean it won't go on sale. All right, let me check in. Jonathan, good morning to you. I know you are holding down the Fort over on CHATTER. Thank you. And an official happy birthday. Thank you very much, Mark. I appreciate it. You're welcome. Happy birthday to you, Sir. And you've gone public with it, so I'm going to just say it. 45 years old today.

8:27 Happy birthday to. You 45 milestone birthday. Yeah, absolutely. All right. And I know Sid wanted to chime in. Good morning to you. Good morning, everybody. Mark, I'm just curious, recently you bought an iPhone and now you bought this kind of little gadget. Does Amy know where your credit card is and how you're using it? She did question when I posted to my stories on Friday. I posted a quick video of the P4 next and I wrote something like new podcast Toy Alert and she was scrolling and stopped there and she looked at me. New toy.

9:10 Yeah, she does not have. Well, she does actually technically have access to the business credit card, but she doesn't check it regularly. You better be careful dude. She might start stalking it and. See what's going on? It is a business expense and a write off for that matter because here I am talking and reviewing the product right now. Ralph is on the stage so he knows all about the write offs. That's right, Ralph. Yeah, I was going to say definitely a good business write off, keep the receipt. The other thing I like about it, I think it's a good thing to have sort as a fall back if like if you got other equipment and something fails, I think that's a great thing to keep you know, in your go bag if you will in case you run into a problem.

9:51 100% yes, agreed. And again, an affordable solution in comparison anyway to this kind of equipment. So I will real quick just say the Zoom P4 has four XLR inputs. It has two USB inputs so I can plug in both my computer and my phone into it, which is what I did pre show this morning with some of you. It has four headphone jacks for those 4 microphones so everybody can monitor themselves. It has other stuff on here too that lots of other little features too, including an AI noise reduction button.

10:33 So when I press that, I was testing that out and what happens is you press it and it basically has you stand by and it reads the room, if you will. It basically listens to the room, listens for noises and reduces background noises. And from what my test so far works really well and it's not too extreme. That was my one concern is if it would really do a number on that reduction. But it does it in a really nice subtle way that that seems to be effective. So I'm digging it. Do you believe it's better than the the P4? The. Original 1. I mean, I think it's a close call. It's I like it. It feels a little bit smaller.

11:15 It's probably a little wider, but it definitely feels a little smaller and it just feels a little more updated. The other one felt a little outdated to me. Do you also think if you had intro music, do you have to put that on a card or how does that work? Well, yes and no. You can do it that way. You can put it the audio file on a card and then assign it to one of the sound pad buttons. But this one works really nicely. I can plug it right into my computer. And yes, there is an SD card in here, but I can transfer files from directly from my computer to the P4 and the memory card slid inside it.

11:57 I guess the question is, and this is my biggest issue with the P4, if I use intro music, it puts it on a different track and therefore it doesn't help in the long run because it's just another track I have to pull out to put back into the editing, if that makes any sense. It does, and it's funny, Alex, because there are some podcasters out there that want it that way. They want the the separate files for everything because it gives you more flexibility in the editing. But I hear what you're saying. I mean, for the most part, we haven't been doing multi track recording here at the podcasting morning check. We do one single track. Sometimes that's easier just to get the edit done quickly. It saves you some steps.

12:40 Yeah. And you can change things. There are settings you can change in both the P4 or the new P4 next. You can change it to just be single track recording if that's the preference. So I can always show you how to do that off air. OK, So any other questions by the way, before I move on regarding the P4 next, I was going to ask one question. Mark. Sure. Ralph, are you concerned about the durability? Because I heard someone else talking about the day. We're a little worried about it being so lightweight, like the rate the P4 that I have now has kind of got some durability to it. Are you concerned about the durability of that one? I can tell you when I first took it out, I did question it like it does feel, you know when I say lightweight, it feels lightweight to almost to the point where you question the durability.

13:27 But I will say I have them both here in front of me on purpose 'cause I figured we might talk about the two and compare them and to me they feel as far as durability goes in your hand, how that feels. They feel pretty much the same to me. I don't feel a big difference at all. They both feel about the same weight. The the P4 next may feel a slightly lighter, but overall I'd say if you are comfortable with how it feels durability wise with the original P4, I think you'd be just as comfortable with the P4 next. All right, time to shift some gears and talk to our friend Nick Naul back. So Nick posted on LinkedIn.

14:11 Was it, I think it was over the weekend or it was on Friday, Friday or Saturday about this new app that he's built on his own using AI. And I want to start first with what really was the inspiration behind it. So first, good morning to you, Nick. And I know that in the article and behind the scenes, you've shared with me that you got inspired to create this app because of your own struggles with creating content. So what was, what was share some of those frustrations with me and maybe one of the biggest ones in your own content workflow because I know this is specific to workflow if I'm not mistaken. Go ahead, Nick.

14:53 Good morning. Hey, good morning. Everybody and happy birthday, Jonathan Big 4-5. Yeah. So I I've been playing around with the coding, the developing apps and I've primarily just been doing that for myself, developing apps for like the the Rabbit R1 device that I've talked about several times here and I got. Really. Thinking about a tool that I would use and a tool that other people would use. And I mean, most of you know that I have not been hosting contents at all for a good chunk of time. Yeah, I always try to inspire you every time. Like you'll be behind the scenes, you'll share something with me.

15:39 I'll try to Nick. That would be great content. You should make some content about that, but you never bite. See, I do like usually I'm in the office and I'm thinking like, God, he's right. That would be such a good piece of content. And then I go home and I'm like, I just need to chill. I can't I can't do this. So you. Actually. Keep doing that if you don't mind, it is helping me. Yeah, sure thing. But yeah, a lot, a lot of that was. And it stemmed all the way back from the 95 podcast. I was creating this podcast and I was so freaking burnt out from doing it because it's not like you just publish an episode and you're done.

16:22 Like you're publishing an episode, you're creating content around that episode. You're constantly pushing that piece of content in a multitude of different ways, all to just start the process over again. And it it does wear on you over time. And I've been basically skirting around, I guess the core issue by changing things up, going from podcasting to focusing on video. It was primarily social media for a while and back to YouTube and all of us doing was just kind of changing the scenery. It wasn't changing the, the real problem and that was I was just so overwhelmed with all of the things to do and not really knowing what I should focus on 1st or right now necessarily.

17:10 So that was kind of the the thought process as I was thinking about this app and kind of building out what it is and what it's going to. Be and I know for a while you used Notion a lot and I know you even used a lot of their built in AI to customize it to help you along the way. So what happened with that? Like did did that just not work for you? And how come? Yeah, I love Notion. I actually still use Notion and I'm using it right now like as kind of a a road map feature tracker, bug tracker kind of thing for this app that I'm building right now. I don't know, it just it wasn't working for me. I, it was working for a while and then it became kind of one of those things that just like is there, it's on your phone. It's something that I, I know is there, but not really paying attention to.

18:05 And I think part of that is because with notion, as powerful as it is, in order to build the things that I wanted and needed. As far as like a flow for how the workflow goes. There were too many like little nuances that I was like, OK, if I want to do this and I have to make sure I hit these two buttons. And then if I hit those two buttons and I have to hit these, it's like you had to have a very specific process for using it and it just it was almost more of a block than it was actually a help in the long. Run. OK, so then let's talk about it. What I would imagine then you couldn't find other types of apps out there to do exactly what you want to do.

18:48 So what is it about this app that you feel like is unique? What is it really going to do for the content creator? OK. Yeah. So. The app itself is basically like at least right now I have plans to progress it, but the app right now is basically like a project management kind of like To Do List sort of app. And the idea behind it is that you are going to build out your flow, your work flow. So for podcasting, it might be OK, I need to research the topic I'm going to do. I need to create an outline for this. I need to reach out to the guest or I need to script the podcast episode.

19:31 And you're basically building out what that workflow is going to look like for that type of project is what I'm calling it. So each episode is going to be its own project. Once that workflow is built out, then you go and create the project. So you're going to say, I'm going to do episode 5 of my podcast and I'm going to use, I'm going to assign that workflow, that podcast production workflow to that project. And what that's going to do is bring in all of the tasks associated with that workflow into that project. So that project now episode 5 is going to say I need to research the topic, I need to outline it, I need to record it, I need to edit it, do all these things. And then what's? Really cool and I think this is. A big part of where I struggle is with the timing of all of these tasks because I would be incredibly ambitious and I would be like, OK, I'm going to get this done, this done, this done, this done, this done.

20:25 And I have a whole list of stuff that I wanted to get done throughout the day. And then I'd get like 3 things done that list and I'd be like, I suck, I can't. Like I didn't get anything done that I wanted to get done. And I think the time management of that, like understanding how long do these things actually take was a hindrance on a lot of that and it just being a bad mental space. So as you build these things out, you you estimate time. So editing an episode's going to take me an hour, whatever that is for you. But then overtime, it's actually going to track how long these tasks are actually taking you.

21:08 So after you've tracked editing a podcast three times, like you actually set a timer. Like when you start editing a podcast, you hit the timer on that task, it's going to track time. And after you've recorded 3 of that specific task, it's going to come back the next time you go to do it and say, hey, you have it estimated at 60 minutes, but it usually takes you 90. And it gives you a better gauge as to how long the tasks are actually going to take you to do. And this is just kind of the first phase of this whole thing getting this working. But yeah, I'll leave at that for the moment. Awesome. And so I love that because I'm curious. Anybody listening live right now, do me a favor. In the chat, put A1.

21:48 If you've tracked how long each of your tasks to create content takes you put a one in the chat, for example. Yeah, look at Matt says yes, he knows how long all of his. That doesn't surprise me about you, Matt, for some reason, but yeah OK anyone else? Yeah put a one in the in the chat if you know how long it takes you to edit or A2 if you don't. I'm curious. Well, I'm shocked and Jonathan says one as well. I'd. I could not tell you how long each task takes me. Sid says 2. OK, so Nick does this also and I would do want to get to how you've built this because I know you don't really have any coding experience, so you turns to AI and I want to dig into that as well. But first tell me a little bit more about the app. Now I think it's cool that it tracks all that and it can even guide you a little bit like hey, you, you think this takes you an hour, but it's taking you more.

22:46 Do you want to adjust things? I think all of that is great. And does it actually help you at all with any of the tasks? That is a great question. And that is going to be kind of the next phase of this. So right now, initially when I built the app, I wanted it to be an AI app using AI. It helps you with research. It helps you like accomplish different things in your workflow. And then I thought, and I was like, I need to take a step back. Like, that's cool, but I'm going to have to basically take that information someplace else, put it into like a notion and start tracking.

23:27 Like, OK, I did this stuff over in my app. Now I need to bring it over to Notion, log it there. Now I need to come back to my app. And I didn't like the idea of having to like just add another tool to the text stack. I wanted it to be the tool that you go to. So that's why I stepped back and like focused on the project management piece of it. Like how does it handle tasks? How can it track your workflow and help you manage your work better? The next phase of this, once I get people testing in it and playing around with what I currently have, is to start bringing in AI. And the AI is going to again, focusing on content creators. It is going to help with the research and not, not the same way that like you go to ChatGPT and you say help me come up with an idea.

24:16 It's we're going to come up with an idea, but then we're also going to look at what content have you already done that is working for you that has been successful more some of your competitors doing right now and what have they done that has been successful? And then how do we take this topic idea and make it better so that it has a much better shot of shining online? So it's going to be a little bit more in depth as far as the the research and analysis from the AI side of it, which I am super pumped about getting into. I'm kind of nervous because I think it's not going to be as easy as just like, Hey, build me this. So. It's, it's going to take some time to get to that point, but I'm really excited to see that part of it come to fruition. And on the other side of it, after I got into the project management piece, the tracking, the time and all that, what I really wanted to do from that side is basically say, hey, Mark, you do really well on your creative tasks in the morning. You do a lot better on like more admin stuff, outreach, Regent sponsors, that kind of thing in the afternoon. Like your time is so much better in the afternoon on those tasks. So rather than you having to go in and assign to say, OK, these are the tests I'm going to work on right now. AI will look at all the tasks, look at how long it takes you to do everything and be like, hey, Mark, you're spending your time much better on creative tasks in the morning. So maybe you should focus on these three tasks now. And we're going to push off some of the more admin e-mail outreach, that kind of stuff in

25:48 the afternoon because you tend to be better on that in the afternoon. So there's a couple. Different levels to this that I'm going to be building and it's going to kind of be a phased roll out as I continue building this. But that's kind of the the hope and vision for the app as a whole. It's going to do the research for you and it's going to actually tell you what to do and when to do it kind of thing. OK, got it. I, I'd love the idea that it can also, or it will eventually start to track and understand where you're more productive, what time of day you're more productive on certain types of tasks. Look, I think that all of this is, is an area that a lot of us don't hear the gurus talking about, right?

26:31 Like time management is probably an, an incredibly helpful thing to us, yet we don't really talk about it a lot. So having an app for content creators specifically to help us manage our time better when we know that that's probably the number one complaint from creators, is that we feel like we're being pulled in so many directions. We have so many pieces of the puzzle to put together each and every episode. This would be, I think, really valuable. So, and I want anyone on stage or if you're in the audience, if you have questions for Nick, by all means, please come on up to the stage, flash and emoji, etcetera. I want to want you to ask your questions as well. I'll go to Matt and then I've got another question for Nick as well.

27:20 Go ahead, Matt. Thanks for heeding the call. Good morning again. Good morning. It's you speak in my language Nick with this. I even reached out to you on LinkedIn comment and said the way that I do this at the moment is I've set up a flow, an integration between To Do List where I track the tasks that I need to do. And what was previously toggle is now toggle track where I can have a task in my to do system that I can click a button and it starts a timer in toggle which is what that app is intended for. It tracks time for tasks taken and it has inbuilt stuff for tracking billing and cost and clients and projects and all that kind of stuff. So I use that very simply.

28:10 The thing that's missing that you offer with this is the that it kind of feeds back to you automatically what you should be thinking about. And this is the most valuable part. I think that a lot of value, as Mark said, comes through with tracking the time for you, which people don't think to do. I think intuitively, Mark, when you said that no one talks about time stuff, maybe in podcasting they should be talking about it more. But I, I kind of heard that and I thought, what are you talking about? Everybody in who's in the productivity space talks about calendar blocking or task tracking and all that kind of thing.

28:51 It's, it's talked about a lot, but the thing that's missed is what someone should do with the tools to enable them to pull it into their workflow, like calendar blocking. Great. That saves you a ton of time. How can I do that for myself? And does it work? And you kind of have to take it for a spin. What you've got here, Nick is a, a copilot that tells you whether you should or shouldn't be doing a ton of things in a day. And I think the biggest blocker for me is that you kind of need a time sink unless you can input some predictive data to get things going because people have to spend some time with the app in order for the AI to start to predict the tasks that the the time it takes the tasks to do. So the the major things that I brought up with you initially was the calendar integration, which I think would be awesome. Like you go to it on a Sunday or a Monday. We can have that argument today as well if you want the when does your week begin?

29:53 Does it begin on Sunday or does it begin on Monday? And doing that wrap up and planning out what your late week looks like and then having it just into your calendar without you having to do a whole lot. So that calendar integration is a big piece and the time tracking piece to feed it forward into productivity. I think there's a lot of ways that you could use someone's mood to figure out what they'd like to do because I wouldn't want the AI to tell me what I should be doing this week. That's like having a boss that dictates your entire week a micromanager. But instead if I'm like, I'm a bit tired today, I might take Monday a little bit slow. Give me some low cognitive systems 2 stuff and then some systems 1 stuff that requires the creativity a bit later in the week.

30:47 Or maybe the AI can take on a you're a morning person and you love to eat the frog. So you're going to do your heavy work in the morning and in the afternoon you're going to get LED off into, you know, fun time where you record your podcast or whatever. I'm, I'm basically treating this as my private consultation, Nick, which I think would be beneficial for anyone who wants to learn what people should be thinking about when they do their content creation. So how does that make you feel? I actually I really like that I. When I saw your comment about suggesting task based based on your mood, I didn't, I didn't fully grasp, but what you're saying right there makes a lot of sense to me.

31:31 And I'm, I'm thinking as you were talking, I'm thinking about how what is the best way that that would be integrated or like kind of a seamless experience from the user side. I'll probably reach out to you Matt and talk more about. That specifically because I I do like that idea. I think that's pretty sweet. I mean, it would be kind of cool if you could log in and one of the first things it asks us asks you is how are you feeling today or how are you feeling right now, right? And every time you log log in it, it asks you and so that you can kind of keep it updated and then it can adjust accordingly. Yeah, that's what I was thinking like just a simple one through 10 kind of scale how how you feeling today kind of thing would be probably pretty easy to put into it. Nick, I know we don't have you for the next 20 or so minutes, so I want to make sure I also hear a little bit now. First, we haven't said if there's a name to this app yet, so let's go there.

32:26 And then also, let's talk a little bit about how the heck you built this if you don't have any experience building apps, yes. But I have been hesitant about sharing the name of it yet because I have not purchased a domain for it. So I do have that on my list of to do's, but I didn't want to come out with this thing publicly post about it and then have someone just like swipe the name from under me. So I I've been keeping that to myself. People that are joining the beta, they will see what the name is of it and know what it is called because it it does have a name. But I've I've kept that under wraps. That's probably something I need to do this week is get that domain so. How did you build it?

33:06 Yeah. So the building side of it, I actually every so to mark what was it like 2-3 weeks ago now maybe and said, hey, I might be cancelling my ChatGPT Plus and I think I'm going to get slawed pro instead, I'm going to replace it. And for those that don't know, the plus is the $20.00 a month version of ChatGPT. Yes, so I'm basically swapping the ChatGPT paid account for the clawed paid account. And the big reason for that was because 1, Claude is primarily just better at coding tasks than tragic BT is. But two, I've just been seeing a lot of people posting about some of the, the tools that they've either built or are built into Claude itself that just seem to fit what I'm doing a little bit better than what ChatGPT could offer. So I did that.

34:07 I, I just cancelled or I haven't cancelled it yet. It's about to be cancelled. ChatGPT Pro got clawed and I started playing around with these coding tools and for building this app specifically, what I did was I set up a clawed project. So if you use ChatGPT, you're familiar with projects essentially like a, a folder for all of these conversations that you have on a specific task or project. You can give it instructions, you can feed it files and then ChatGPT kind of knows what's going on with that specific project and every conversation you have it, it has that information to go off of. So I, I started a project like that in Claude and said, hey, this is what I want to build. This is the app like help me plan it out. Like first we're going to research what, what all should this app include?

34:56 How is it going to look? How are we going to build it? What are the tools that we need to build it? All of this and the research side of Claude completely blew me away. I get spent probably close to an hour researching all this stuff and spit out like an 18 page report and it analyzed I think close to 500 or over 500 different sources to determine what is the best route for us to go for this project. And it was in depth. Like I have not seen anything like that come out of Chat GPTI was completely blown away. So that that was kind of like the first step of building this is the research side of things and using AI to help with that research because I like it.

35:42 You said I am not a coder. I don't know what I'm doing. I don't know what tools that I need. How do I connect to database? Front end, back end like all of this stuff. I have an idea but I don't know how to do any of it. So I got it to help guide me through that process. Austin in the chat Nick says Claude is amazing. Now it has Claude skills quote UN quote, which are like temp what is this template templatized dynamic prompts. So it nearly is powerful but lightweight compared to AP IS or MCPI. Don't know what MCP is. MCP is what is it model context protocol, I think is what it stands for.

36:23 And we've talked about it a little bit. I brought it up a few times in here, but essentially like MCP allows AI to essentially connect to your apps and take action, right? Right, so I remember. Notion has an MCP server and it has different tasks like you could talk to ChatGPT or talk to Claude and say, hey, go add a task to my Notion board and call it this and set a due date for this. And then it will actually go into Notion and do those things for you so that you're not having to keep switching between apps And the skills. I, I haven't dug deep into them. I haven't built any skills myself, but they do seem really powerful. It's almost like feeding a like clawed a prompt in the back end that it always has available. And when you say, hey, I want you to do this specific thing, it has instructions to do that specific thing already preloaded and ready to go.

37:14 But it's, I don't know, I've been very impressed with Claude I. It's going to be very hard to get me away from that and back into ChatGPT. So you don't miss anything about ChatGPT? I've been thinking about that to myself because the my month hasn't ended on ChatGPT yet. Like am I going to miss it? And I really haven't gone to ChatGPT yet since I've got Claude Pro, I haven't gone into it at all. The only, the only hindrance, and I know we're kind of steering away from the how it got built part of the conversation, but the only hindrance that I don't care for with Claude is that the usage limits are a lot stricter than ChatGPT, especially when I've been getting into like the coding tasks and things like that.

38:00 Like I usually hit my limit within the time window and I think it's like every five hours your usage limit resets. But then there's like a a weekly usage limit as well. And I understand, I think it's smart how they did it, but it's kind of a hindrance at times with Claude. What I think is kind of interesting, like we all use ChatGPT where you're having a conversation with it. Like the conversation is going on for a long time and then it just like stops knowing what you're doing and it just like you almost have to like retrain it again. Claude is built to kind of prevent that, where each conversation can only go on for so long because it understands like, hey, if this conversation goes on any longer, I'm not going to know what the Hell's going on.

38:44 So it's like, you need to start a new chat before we can continue this. Because I'm, I'm losing it. I'm losing my contacts here. So it it makes sense to have it it just it can get in the way sometimes, especially doing things like this where I'm having to write code for me. So OK, so you mainly use clawed, Any other tools or anything that you've used to build this? I think it's cool to hear just because again, I know a lot of us in here are not coders and don't know where to start, but probably have had an idea. Oh, an app would be great for this. I wish I could make it and not really know how to do that. That's why I'm asking these questions. So any other tools that you're using with it? So I was using Cursor Cursor AI, which is a coding tool.

39:29 So you download it, it's like a code editor and it's got a chat AI chat bot built into it. So you can just tell it like, hey, add this code to my app and it'll just go do it. But my laptop crapped out on me, so I can't use it. I'm I built all of this that I have right now using my tablet and it's just a a little code editing app. And what's cool with clod is they have clod, but then they have clod code in clod code can be installed into your code editor. So when I pull up my code editor on my tablet, I just type clod in there and it's essentially like a clod chat like dedicated to coding specific.

40:11 And I can just say, Hey, clod, this is what I want you to add into the app next. And it'll go and have access to all of my apps files like all of the different pages and everything that's like makes the app. Function and it can go in there and it'll sift through all of the files figure out where it needs to add code like, OK, I need to add it to this page because this is going to be on the front and needs to be shown and then I need to add to the back end piece of it here. Like it does all of that just by having a conversation with it. So I I've literally built this thing by just talking to it and saying, hey, I like this, but I would like you to add this as well. OK, that's broken. This is what's happening. These are the errors I'm getting. Go fix it. And it just goes in and does it.

40:53 And some of the stuff it was like trial and error kind of beat my head against the wall like error after error after error. But eventually it figures it out. And at this point, like the app is fully functional. It is a project management app at this point. You have to sign in with Google or your e-mail and you're off to the races. Like it's, it's insane and all of that. Like the core functionality of this thing like you mentioned at the beginning, I did this in like a day or two which I think is just mind blowing to me because I feel like an app like this would probably take weeks if not months. Sounds like it. Of like legit skill to do it. Wow. So Nick, you mentioned earlier beta testers that you're looking for beta testers because they're going to know eventually they'll find out the name being users of it. So how do how does somebody get involved in that? Yeah.

41:43 So I am going to be opening it up today and bringing on a couple people for a closed beta of this app and then I'm going to slowly be adding more people into it. So if you are interested in testing this app out for me, and I'm going to tell you right now, it's not perfect. There's going to be bugs, there's going to be issues, and that's just kind of part of this whole process. I'm sharing all of this stuff as it's happening because I want people to see the process. So it's not going to be perfect, but it does work. And if you want to be a part of it, just shoot me a message, reach out, say hey, I'd love to be a part of this beta. I'd love to test the app and I'll add you to the list and I'll just slowly start bringing in more people. So what would you say nick@nextgenpodcaster.com best way to do it?

42:30 Yeah, yeah. Shoot me an e-mail. That's fine. Either shoot me an e-mail at that e-mail nick@nextgenpodcaster.com or if you follow me on Instagram at 953, just shoot me a message over on Instagram and I'll get you added. Part of this like the closed slow rollout for full transparency is because I don't know how much it is going to cost to run this app. Every time people go into the app, every time they make changes, they add tasks, do all that stuff that is technically usage for the database that I'm building on. And I have no idea what that looks like as far as I cost, I'm on like a free account right now. I don't know, like is five people going to pushed into like paid piece of this thing that I have to start paying now to keep this thing hosted or is it like 1000 people? I have no idea.

43:15 So I'm slowly introducing people into it and I get a feel for one, how much are people actually using it? And two, what is the cost going to be to actually run this app long term? OK, so we will be helping Nick in many ways as bet beta tester. So if you want to be a beta tester, please reach out to nick.nick@nextgenpodcaster.com. Probably the easiest way to do it to reach out to him if you're interested. And if you don't get on the first round, I'm he said it himself. We'll, we'll have more rounds to to join in on, so put your name in now and, and he'll reach out when there's availability. Nick, very cool. Congratulations on this. Excited for you. Yeah, thank you.

43:56 Thanks for letting me talk about it. You know, some people are probably like more AI stuff. Yeah, I appreciate it. If you guys have questions about like the app side of things or building or Claude or any of that stuff like feel free to reach out as well. I'm more than happy to to share and talk more about it. Cool, awesome. All right, thank you, Nick. And I want to remind everybody that tomorrow here in the US is veteran's day, federal holidays, national holidays. So we are going to go dark on Tuesday. We try to honor the national holidays here in the US so we will not be back, but we will be back Wednesday, 7:00 AM Eastern live. And of course, a couple hours after we go live on your favorite podcast platform, we will be digging into all the headlines around the world of podcast podcasting, stuff that will really affect you as a podcaster. Also side note, we've got some guests coming up as well to join us.

44:51 One's going to be Kendall from Riverside. If you know Kendall, if you are somebody on Riverside, you probably know who Kendall is. She's their community manager there. She's got a new, a big, big update coming from Riverside that I'm not even allowed to say yet, but she reached out to me just this morning saying, hey, I, I'd be happy to come talk about this on the podcasting morning chat and I think it would be awesome. So we're going to have her come join us and maybe you'll be one of the first to know about this new feature officially. And then also we're going to have somebody who Dr. connected me with who is APR expert so that we can dig into the PR side of podcasting to see how we can utilize it to help us with discoverability, growth, etcetera.

45:43 I, I had a fascinating conversation with her last week and looking forward to bringing her to you next Monday. So that's coming up as well. And of course, finally, Thursday, this Thursday, we're doing podcast evaluations. I told you all about it at the top of the show. So I don't, I won't dig into it again now, but go and check out that show. You can click the link in the show notes if you want to follow along on Thursday. And if not, no worries, we'll we got you covered. You can follow along nicely even if you don't listen. So until Wednesday, make it a great day everybody. Take care.