556. How to Improve Your Podcast Intro, Interviews & Pacing

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Marc Ronick: Good morning,

podcasters.

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Today is Tuesday, july 28, 2026,
and today we're
back with

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another podcast evaluation,
breaking down the
gentle year

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to uncover what makes this
emotional interview
connect,

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and where a few small changes
could make it even more


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powerful.
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And now, give us about 30
seconds, and we'll get
things

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rolling.
Thanks for being here.

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Good morning again, podcasting
morning show.

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Thank
you so much for being
here.

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I am your host, Marc Ronick, and

currently on stage with me, my

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co-hosts.
We have Ralph Estep
Babbles,

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Sid Meadows, and D.
R.

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Fay.
We also have Junaid and Dan


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from the audience.
Junaid, Ahmed, Dan Schultz, and

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we also
have Knikki Hernandez,
aka Tide Tutoring, who will be

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on the hot
seat.
I will share in a moment.

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Actually, why not?
I'll just
share right now.

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Today we are evaluating the
Gentle Year, the
podcast

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hosted by Knikki, and in this
episode for evaluation,
Knikki

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speaks with psychiatrist Cassie
O'Day about childhood
trauma,

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attachment, identity, survival
responses, and the
experience

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of feeling like you're too much.
We'll look at
the show's

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branding, Knikki's interview
style, production
choices,

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pacing, the audio quality, and
the overall
listener

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experience.
So, if you've been listening in

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the
past, you know how these
evaluations go.

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But basically,
what we'll do
is we'll break those things down

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into different
categories.
I'll play you clips so that this

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way, if you haven't
listened
to this episode of the Gentle

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Year, you'll be in the
know.
I think we do a good job of

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navigating this so that you

really can understand our

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feedback, our comments, and

critiques.

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So stick with us here, and why
not?

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Let's just
dive right in, and
let me get my board ready to

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make sure that
there.
Okay, there it is.

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All right, so I won't hit the
wrong
button today.

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And yeah, DR: Marc can we
acknowledge
someone that's in

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the audience that we haven't
seen for a
little while?

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Marc Ronick: Yes, we can.
Good
morning to Nick Nallback,

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who hasn't been able to join us
ever
since the time change,

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but he's here this morning,
listening in,
and of course,

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welcome up on stage.
And hello to DV, who is
in the

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audience on Clubhouse as well.
Up here comes Nick right
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By the way, since we're bringing
up Nick, and we'll say
a quick

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hello to him.
Also, please stick around till

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the end
of the show today.
I've got a big announcement

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regarding the
show, and I want
to share it with you, so stick

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around.

Again, we will do the evaluation

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first, and then I want to share
the announcement with you.

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But first, good morning, Nick

Nallback.

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Nick: Hey, good morning,

everybody.

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Marc Ronick: Welcome back, my

friends.

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Nick: Great to see you all here.
Marc Ronick: Yeah, great to see

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you too.
I'm guessing we're not going to

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have a lot of you today

because I know you're

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anticipating Arya waking up this

morning.

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Nick: Yeah, I feel like I'm on

borrowed time.

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Sid Meadows: Let's get to the

let's get to the good stuff,

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Nick.
How is Arya?

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It's nice.
Sid Meadows: It has the little


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one.
Nick: Oh, she is.

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Nick: He's doing great.
He's
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baby, and I guess she's not
really a
baby anymore.

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She's a toddler, but Marc
Ronick: yeah, Nick: she's a lot

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of fun.
Marc Ronick: I follow your wife

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on social media, so I see all
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And yeah, it looks like you guys
are having a good summer.

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Nick: Oh yeah, she's nonstop.
So
we're just trying to keep

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up with her.
That's the goal.

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Yeah.
Marc Ronick: How old is she now?

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Nick: She's two and a half, a

little over two and a half now.

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Marc Ronick: Yeah!
Wow, very
cool.

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And Nick, you are saying that
you think you're going to
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able to swing it and join us at
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21st through the 23rd.
Nick: I think I should be able


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to pull that off.
Marc Ronick: That's awesome.

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Nick: Yeah, that's exciting.

Yeah, be nice to see everybody

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and kind of catch up because I

know I haven't been here.

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Yeah, since that time change,
but
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Marc Ronick: And Junaid, just so

you know, since you're on

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stage, I've already told Nick
that he's
going to be helping

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you with the audio video stuff
at the event.

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Junaid: Sorry, Nick.
Nick: Then I get to play with


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all your cool tech, so I'm cool
with it.

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Alex: I'm the one that's saying
sorry.

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Marc Ronick: Well, why are you

saying sorry, Alex?

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Alex: Because I can't go.
Marc Ronick: You can't make it.

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Alex was here.

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Alex: I know.
See, I've been
getting these

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harassing texts from Marc, and
they're so sweet,
but they're

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so like it's just not going to
happen.

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Marc Ronick: All right.
DR: Hey, Marc, Speaking speaking

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for Alex and also myself,
because I am unable to go.

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Will
there be any like replays
of some of the talks that are


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given?
Something that we could see on

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video that will be
available.
Marc Ronick: Yeah, well, BC


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Babbles, who's here, he's going
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correspondent, and I think that
one of the things we're going to

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ask if he would be so kind is
to take over our social media

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and
do some live stream stuff.
So yes, we'll definitely from


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social media we'll be sharing
video of people of talks of


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what's going on in the hallways,
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And we I'm not sure if
we're
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the event officially.
I
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because I've talked about this
before, I
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event that I just-if you can be
there-and
after the event, if

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you want to see what happened,
if you want
your access to

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those different talks, yeah,
we'll make that
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But I'm not sure I want to do a
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Yeah,
yeah.
Junaid: Yeah, just wants a


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recording.
She doesn't want to see people

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having fun.
She's
gonna be like, "What?

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I don't want.
I didn't get there.

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Marc Ronick: All right.
DR: I'm so sorry.

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Marc Ronick: All right.
Let's
dig in to the show

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today.
Like I said, podcast evaluation.

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Knikki, good morning to you.

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We don't do.
We don't often do
these with

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the podcaster on stage with us.
So, good morning
to you.

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And how are you feeling about
being in the hot seat and


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hearing a live evaluation of
your own show?

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Tide: I'm feeling really good

about it because number one, I

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respect you guys's feedback.

That's the main thing.

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And then the next thing is that,
like, I
know that there's so

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many things that I can improve,
so I'm
looking forward to

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hearing how exactly, or how I
can do that,
and also what you

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guys think I should focus on.
So every little
bit of

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feedback helps, and I appreciate
it so much.

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Marc Ronick: Love that.
Well,
you've just made it a

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little bit easier for us to do
this because
sometimes we do

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feel a little awkward when we
know the
podcaster is there,

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but as you know, we are very
gentle with
our feedback.

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We give it, even if it's
constructive.

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But we're
gentle about it.
So let's dive in and let's start

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with some
first impressions,
the branding, and then we'll

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play the intro as
we normally
do as far as clips go.

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So I'll open this up to the

floor.

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What was your overall listening
experience?

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What did
you think overall?
You don't have to get into the

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nitty
gritty.
Ralph Estep Jr.: I thought it


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was fantastic.
I thought it was a wonderful

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podcast.
I thought
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true professional.
Some of that
understood the

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mic, understood how to bring out
a conversation,
and of course,

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I'm a little biased because I
think Nikki's a
great person,

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and I think the work she does is
fantastic.

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But
absent that, I mean, it
was really a good show, and it

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was
one of those things where
I was really wanted to hear this

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the
end of it.
And I actually listened to the

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second episode
with this
person as well.

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Marc Ronick: Oh yeah, that's

right, because this was part

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one.
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she did a great job.
We'll talk about some things

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that I think
she can work with
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But I think my
overall first
impression was A plus, Marc

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Ronick: awesome.
And anyone
else want to chime

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in?
If not, yeah, BC, go ahead.

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BC Babbles: Yeah, just to kind

of echo that, I thought this was

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a great episode.
I really
enjoyed really the

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care in this conversation.
We'll get into the
topic

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later, I'm sure.
But I think the way that this

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was
approached, considering
the topics discussed in the

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episode
was done with a great
level of professionality, so it

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helped me
as someone who can't
fully appreciate the depth of it

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really feel comfortable in
exploring the story.

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And I think
that's a great
says a lot about Tide's skills

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as a podcast host
and
producer, so great job!

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Marc Ronick: Thank you, BC.
And
we're going to go to you,

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Sid.
And please share what your


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overall listening experience
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But also, I'm curious.
I'm
going to throw a second

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question at you, Sid.
Who do you believe
that after

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listening to this that this show
is trying to
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Who do you believe is Knikki's
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Go
ahead, Sid.
Sid Meadows: Yeah.

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Good morning,
everybody.
So, Knikki, you have a very calm

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and welcoming tone
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It's just very comfortable to
listen to you
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And as I'm thinking about this,
I'm thinking that's why
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a teacher.
You can approach these these

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kids in a
nice calm.
And yeah, so it was.

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It was really.
Easy to listen
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a very deep topic.
Yeah, like a really deep


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topic.
But you are certainly easy to

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listen to, and I am
going to
answer your question mark and

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say that I don't know
that I
have the answer to that

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question.
I believe it's
parents, but

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the gentle year to me means, on
the surface, it
means like in

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the first couple of years of
parenthood that, but
it could

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mean something different to
somebody else.

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So I
know it's for parents,
but what stage of parenthood?

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I do not
know.
That was not clear to me.

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Marc Ronick: Sid, do you think

you would have known it was for

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parents if you didn't know Nikki

as well as we know her.

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Sid Meadows: No, I would not

have.

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That's a great.
That's great follow up question.

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I
would not have known this
was for parents.

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Marc Ronick: Okay.
Okay.

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Fair.

All right.

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And DR, go ahead.
DR: I would have known well for

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the relationship between a
parent and a child only because

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of that image on the cover art.
Marc Ronick: Ah, do you want to

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talk about that a little bit?
Since we're in the branding


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category here, DR: kind of an
abstracty kind
of, you know,

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you don't see any faces, but you
just see this Marc Ronick: a

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silhouette.
DR: Yes, a silhouette, and that

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told me it was about a
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guardians, adult and child, is
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Marc Ronick: Yes, that's that

silhouette definitely looks like

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that.
Think about the
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Facebook silhouette that you see
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profile picture.
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incorporate a smaller head and
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facing each other in profile in
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Yes, exactly.
So
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improvement.

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it's
not terribly clear for by
just the name, for example, it's

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some
people may not connect
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Like, what is the gentle
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How does that pertain to

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parenthood per se?
So there,
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Yeah, like Ralph Estep Jr.: I
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there, and I was going to say
that's exactly
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needs, and I think that would be
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Yeah, Marc Ronick: yeah, I think
so
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So yeah, I think Knikki, there's
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Knikki.
Since we have you here, who is

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Tide: I put in the chat that I


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don't even know the answer to
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Marc Ronick: So, but is our

parents in general, do you feel

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And be honest, maybe it's not.
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leading here a little bit.
But what do you think?

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Tide: No, no, you're totally

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Yes, the whole purpose behind my
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parents, and I didn't care what
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were in the stage of parenting.
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connect with any parent, and so
that might have been too broad.

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ChatGPT told me it was too

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broad, but I was like, I don't

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Marc Ronick: I have to say, I

agree with ChatGPT.

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I mean, just in the sense, it
depends on what
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are, right?
Like, if you're not looking to

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make you,
if you're not
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maybe that doesn't
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I think it would
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ideal.
And I just had
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with a client about this.
The whole idea when
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encourage people to let's call
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doesn't mean that you're trapped
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Like, yes,
sure.
Let's say Nikki decides this is

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for parents like Nick
who have
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Okay, let's just throw that out
as an
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It doesn't mean that parents at
other stages wouldn't
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interested in this, right?
But it's just a matter of who


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you're going to cater to, so you
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segment of that audience.
I think that there's that's

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really
helpful.
Go ahead, DR. DR: You know, my

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one of my
clients is a
business coach, and she her

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avatar is really
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But just as I say that, I know
because we get
email all the

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time from men who listen to the
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you
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some other fishes in that sea

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that
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Do you know what I mean?

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Marc Ronick: Yeah, yeah,

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Yeah, good.
Ralph Estep Jr.: Marc, I just


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wanted to note.
I just posted a link to her

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Buzzsprout page, and
something
that Nikki mentioned in the

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comments, and I think
it's
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just recently add a
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Oh, and it's real conversations

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for parents who
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really good stuff.

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I think it really, it really
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Marc Ronick: I would say that


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what I would also do then is
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I
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because again, if we're just

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thinking
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interacting with podcasts that

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they're
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the cover image, the first place

they're probably eyes are

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gravitating to.
I think that
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helpful for.
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plenty of room.
She's got plenty of real estate

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to do that.

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the cover image because it gives

her room to do that right

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underneath, and it would be a

great thing to do.

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I know this is a visual, not
this is a
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but I'm saying like she's got
the room
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would really pop.
I think in my view, yeah, DR:

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keywords, yeah, parents,

right?

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So fill in some more keywords
into that subtitle, and
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think that, and also make sure
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host is, and you're putting that
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host line.
What's the name of your show?

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Make sure that
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That's something that the
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like that little kind of sneaky
way of getting in some of those

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SEOs.
Ralph Estep Jr.: Yeah, and she's

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got that in there now.
A dr on her Buzzsprout host

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site.
It
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year colon real conversations
for
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village.
So I think she's really

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accomplished
that SEO lift.
Marc Ronick: That's awesome,


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Sid.
Did you want to chime in?

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All right, we'll go and find

areas.

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All right, Sid Meadows: I
definitely think
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room for improvement with the
cover art
to grab your

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attention to stop the scroll
when people are
seeing cover

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image because there we're visual
in so many ways and
whether I

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understand the softness the soft
pink color the
gentle year

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that ties together I certainly
understand the image
but Nikki

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your name is not on the cover
art at all there's no
photo of

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you not that is a requirement
but I always like to
see who

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I'm talking, who I'm listening
to.

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and one of
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consider is uploading
the
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have it ask you questions

about your podcast and ask it to

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create a cover art for you.
And
if nothing else, it gives

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you some ideas of ways that you
might want to improve it.

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You know, for me, when I open up
a
Canva screen, I just sit it

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and stare and like, oh my gosh,
what
am I going to do here?

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So, if nothing else, it would
give you
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of ways to improve it.
But I would
definitely put my

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name on there, hosted by, right,
so that people
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they're listening to.
Marc Ronick: Thank you, Sid.


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Great suggestion.
Love that the way you suggested

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to use AI for
that.
That's a cool idea.

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I think, and I think it'd be
cool
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image and say, "What do you
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and see what the AI spits out,
and that could
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telling.
Yeah.

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Thank you, Sid.
All right, let's keep
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moving and play the intro.
Wait, can I?

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Oh, wait,
can I get my
tagline?

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Go ahead, Dan.
Go ahead.

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Dan: I have two ideas for

taglines.

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Marc Ronick: Okay, Dan: one is
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conversations that help parents
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kind of what I'm feeling.
Because it seems like you're


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kind of going more for this, you
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thing.
And then that first one is a

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very basic version of that,

but sometimes flipping it around

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and just making it a little

different so it stands out from

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the pack.
I'd say something like
maybe

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because parenting was never
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then you're doing an implied
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saying, "Hey, look, you are a
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struggling.
Parenting actually is better

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when you're not alone.
Marc Ronick: I love that.

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Thank
you, Dan.
Coming from a marketing guy,

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that that makes a
lot of
sense.

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Thank you, Dan, for that.
All right, so let's
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the intro.
Let's see here.

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Nikki opens by speaking

directly to the audience who may

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have felt unseen or shaped by

emotional wounds.

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She introduces several personal
questions
before explaining

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what she and Cassie will
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And as you
listen, pay
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the episode, how
Nikki
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happens when the sponsor

acknowledgements arrive.

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I don't know if I have that in
there or
not, but let's play

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it.
Here we go.

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Tide: Before we begin today's

conversation, I want to ask you

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a question: Have you ever felt

unseen?

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Have you ever wondered why
certain wounds seem to
follow

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you throughout your life, even
after you've done
everything

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you can to move forward?
And have you ever
stopped to

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consider that some of your
strongest traits may have
been

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born from survival rather than
choice, today
psychotherapist

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Cassie O'Day joins me for one of
the most
personal

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conversations we've had on the
show.

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Together, we
explore
attachment, emotional neglect,

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healing, femininity,
survival
mode, and the lifelong human

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desire to feel wanted,
valued,
and safe.

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This episode is brought to you
by Turning the
Tide to.

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Acting with Pippi, shared
humanity, a field agent's


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journey into the human mind, and
your wish is your command.

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I'm
Nikki Hernandez, and this
is the Gentle Year.

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Marc Ronick: Okay, so there's

the intro.

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What stood out to you guys about
this opening?

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I saw
Ralph raised a hand, and
so did DR. Let me go to Ralph

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first.
Go
ahead.

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Ralph Estep Jr.: Okay, so and

Knikki and I have had a

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conversation about this already.



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So full disclosure, I think she
talked too fast.

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I think she
needs to slow down
a little bit, and because I got

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through the
end of that and I
said, Nikki, I'm not sure what

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you just told
me.
I'm not sure I caught any of

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that.
I think there was a lot of


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could have opportunities that
were missed if she just went


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back.
I was thinking.

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I relate this to kind of playing
it at a
point eight speed.

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If she had taken her voice and
played it at
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think it would have been much
more effective.


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But that's just my view.
And but I think it would have

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landed
more.
I think this is a great place

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for the pregnant pause.

This is a great place to bring

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somebody in because she's

introducing a heavy topic, and

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people need to let that topic

breathe a little bit.

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And I feel like she didn't let
that topic
breathe, and not

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that it wasn't effective, but I
just felt like
she was just

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running through it, which is
interesting.

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Because
later in the podcast,
she doesn't do that during the


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interview part.
Marc Ronick: Oh, Ralph Estep

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Jr.: but duringthe
parts of
introduction and all that, it's

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like a race.
And I
just told her, just slow

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down a little bit, my friend.
It'll be
much better.

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Marc Ronick: My guess, and

Knikki, you can correct me if

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I'm wrong.
My guess is that's
because, as

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far as how you said you noticed
later in the show,
she wasn't

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racing through.
I think that's because Nikki was

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reading from a script in the
intro.

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That's my guess, Nikki.

Were you reading from a script?

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Tide: Yes, I wrote the script,

but I did read from it, and I

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tend to read and talk very fast.
Marc Ronick: Yeah, yeah.

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Well,
again, I think Ralph
makes a good point.

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You might think you
talk fast,
but during the interview, I did

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not feel like
you were racing
through at all.

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And I really want to emphasize a

point that Ralph made, which

434
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just slowing down a little bit,
especially on this type of

435
00:22:01,140 --> 00:22:03,684
episode, where it is so deep,

and I don't.

436
00:22:03,684 --> 00:22:05,382
Maybe all your episodes are this
deep.

437
00:22:05,382 --> 00:22:07,443
I don't
know.
And if that's the case, this

438
00:22:07,443 --> 00:22:11,098
applies even more so.
Slow
down so we can feel the

439
00:22:11,098 --> 00:22:13,895
emotion.
It's when you race through it.

440
00:22:13,895 --> 00:22:15,917
I
can't connect with you
emotionally.

441
00:22:15,917 --> 00:22:17,924
I can't connect
with the show
emotionally.

442
00:22:17,924 --> 00:22:20,252
I have a really hard time doing
so.

443
00:22:20,252 --> 00:22:23,224
So yeah, I think it's fine that
you read from a script.

444
00:22:23,224 --> 00:22:25,400
I
read from a script in my
intro as well.

445
00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:27,080
I don't have any
problem with
that.

446
00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:31,499
It's just a matter of taking a
breath,
slowing down when you

447
00:22:31,499 --> 00:22:34,930
ask those questions.
Even if you pause for
a

448
00:22:34,930 --> 00:22:38,786
moment, that what that's doing
is that's allowing that


449
00:22:38,794 --> 00:22:43,078
listener's brain to process and
to almost think about the answer

450
00:22:43,078 --> 00:22:45,598

themselves.
They're not going to obviously

451
00:22:45,598 --> 00:22:49,590
they're not going to
get an in
depth answer, but it's going to

452
00:22:49,590 --> 00:22:53,440
set the mind in the
right
direction for the episode.

453
00:22:54,130 --> 00:22:55,819
Let's see, Sid.
I think you
wanted to comment,

454
00:22:55,819 --> 00:22:58,953
and I see others do as well.
Sid Meadows: Ralph hit my point.

455
00:22:58,953 --> 00:22:59,469


Let's just slow down.

456
00:22:59,709 --> 00:23:03,153
Marc Ronick: Okay, cool.
I'm
gonna go to Rez DJ Rez,

457
00:23:03,153 --> 00:23:05,075
who's on stage with us.
Good morning,
Rez.

458
00:23:05,075 --> 00:23:06,964
Did you want to add something?
Rez: Yeah.

459
00:23:06,964 --> 00:23:08,652
Good morning, Marc.
I
love the intro.

460
00:23:08,652 --> 00:23:12,152
I think it was very authentic,
congruent with
Nikki's the way

461
00:23:12,152 --> 00:23:14,845
she normally speaks.
The only thing that I
wish she

462
00:23:14,845 --> 00:23:18,229
would do is kind of talk about
the guests a little
bit more.

463
00:23:18,229 --> 00:23:20,420
She just said psychotherapist
and the name.


464
00:23:20,428 --> 00:23:23,744
We've talked about this.
I think you folks have talked

465
00:23:23,744 --> 00:23:25,316
about this
previously.
Where, right?

466
00:23:25,316 --> 00:23:28,836
But I wish that I could just
know a
little bit more about

467
00:23:28,836 --> 00:23:30,000
the guest.
That's all.

468
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:31,120
Marc Ronick: That's fair.
Yeah.


469
00:23:31,128 --> 00:23:34,484
I mean, you know, a lot of times
we say that we'll learn about


470
00:23:34,492 --> 00:23:38,160
the guest as we go, and so yeah,
Knikki, just giving a little


471
00:23:38,168 --> 00:23:41,711
tease as far as credentials
might be enough, but yeah, I


472
00:23:41,719 --> 00:23:44,342
think look different strokes for
different folks, right?

473
00:23:44,342 --> 00:23:48,256
Some
people would prefer to
get to know who the guest is a

474
00:23:48,256 --> 00:23:49,796
little
bit before they dive
in.

475
00:23:49,796 --> 00:23:52,408
I can't fault you for that piece
of
advice.

476
00:23:52,408 --> 00:23:54,034
Let's see.
Ralph Estep Jr.: I know Knikki


477
00:23:54,042 --> 00:23:58,845
has a question too.
Marc Ronick: Oh, okay, go ahead,

478
00:23:58,845 --> 00:24:00,092

Nikki.
Tide: Yes.

479
00:24:00,092 --> 00:24:03,359
So my question was
part of the
psychological reason why I tend

480
00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:05,869
to speak so fast on
my
podcast, I can feel this

481
00:24:05,924 --> 00:24:07,688
underlying insecurity in me, and

I go.

482
00:24:07,688 --> 00:24:11,316
I tend to go kind of fast
because I'm like, well, nobody's

483
00:24:11,316 --> 00:24:13,763

listening anyway.
Well, it doesn't really matter.

484
00:24:13,763 --> 00:24:16,288
This is a
small podcast, blah
blah blah.

485
00:24:16,343 --> 00:24:18,219
And so then I start

rationalizing.

486
00:24:18,219 --> 00:24:21,352
Okay, well, just get through
that, and then I'm
wondering

487
00:24:21,352 --> 00:24:24,878
if anybody else does that, or if
you guys have any
suggestions

488
00:24:24,878 --> 00:24:26,240
for that.
Marc Ronick: No, I mean, look,

489
00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:28,925
Alex: I'd like to answer that

because that's what I was going

490
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:30,000
to go with it.
Marc Ronick: Go ahead, Alex.

491
00:24:30,410 --> 00:24:33,001
Alex: We contradict ourselves

all the time on this place.

492
00:24:33,001 --> 00:24:35,150
I mean, not in a good way.
What do
I mean?

493
00:24:35,150 --> 00:24:38,198
You know, it's all these
different things, and one of the

494
00:24:38,198 --> 00:24:42,567

things that I've done,
especially with the intro, is


495
00:24:42,575 --> 00:24:48,405
actually put put a break in the
like read it out loud before I


496
00:24:48,413 --> 00:24:52,030
recorded it, and sometimes feel
the pattern, and then actually


497
00:24:52,038 --> 00:24:55,990
do the break like right break in
there, yeah, so that you can


498
00:24:55,998 --> 00:24:59,465
breathe and you can kind of do
that kind of stuff because


499
00:24:59,473 --> 00:25:01,554
wouldn't.
Up happening is I suffer from

500
00:25:01,554 --> 00:25:03,327
that too.
You want
to race because you

501
00:25:03,327 --> 00:25:06,726
think if you go fast, they're
not going to
notice anything,

502
00:25:06,726 --> 00:25:09,884
and the problem is they they're
going to notice
it either way.

503
00:25:09,884 --> 00:25:12,516
My only, if you want to call,
criticism of it
was yeah, it

504
00:25:12,516 --> 00:25:14,836
was a little too fast.
I would have probably had
to

505
00:25:14,836 --> 00:25:17,630
like listen to it again just so
I could understand what was


506
00:25:17,638 --> 00:25:19,092
going on.
But I'm nitpicking because

507
00:25:19,092 --> 00:25:22,056
that's what we're doing
here.
But you know, if it was, if I

508
00:25:22,056 --> 00:25:25,280
was just, I listened to it

before, so I just kind of, you

509
00:25:25,310 --> 00:25:27,950
know, kept going with it.
I
think that's the thing that

510
00:25:27,950 --> 00:25:31,800
you really need to do is just,
if
you don't break, like if

511
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:35,450
you don't have an inherent break
in
yourself, write breaks in

512
00:25:35,450 --> 00:25:39,230
there or write it in paragraphs
so
that you know to breathe.

513
00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:40,906
Because I think that's the

biggest problem.

514
00:25:40,906 --> 00:25:43,579
People just don't read.
Marc Ronick: Yeah, I give myself

515
00:25:43,579 --> 00:25:47,003

director notes all the time in
my scripts when I use them.


516
00:25:47,011 --> 00:25:50,618
Yeah, I'll emphasize words by
making them all caps so I know


517
00:25:50,626 --> 00:25:53,166
to emphasize that word when I'm
reading it, etc.

518
00:25:53,166 --> 00:25:55,479
And DR. I know
you want to
chime in.

519
00:25:55,479 --> 00:25:59,069
I just want to jump real quick
to what
Knikki said there, as

520
00:25:59,069 --> 00:26:02,183
far as you know, well, nobody's
listening,
so whatever.

521
00:26:02,183 --> 00:26:06,380
I'm just going to race through
it, and I think
Nikki, that is

522
00:26:06,380 --> 00:26:09,242
first very relatable.
I think a lot of
people

523
00:26:09,242 --> 00:26:12,660
probably feel that way.
They just they're kind of like,

524
00:26:12,660 --> 00:26:14,405
oh, whatever, it doesn't
matter.

525
00:26:14,465 --> 00:26:17,297
Nobody's listening.
But I do
know you get

526
00:26:17,297 --> 00:26:20,002
downloads, right?
So my encouragement to you is to

527
00:26:20,002 --> 00:26:23,386

make a great show for those
people that are listening, and


528
00:26:23,394 --> 00:26:27,273
if you know you're going fast,
then you're doing them a little

529
00:26:27,273 --> 00:26:30,208
bit of a disservice.
Pay attention to the people in

530
00:26:30,208 --> 00:26:33,897
the
room, not to the who is or
isn't in the room, right?

531
00:26:33,897 --> 00:26:37,345
You just
want to care about
those people there, and forget

532
00:26:37,345 --> 00:26:41,182
about those
who haven't shown
up yet, because you're doing a


533
00:26:41,190 --> 00:26:43,749
disservice.
The example I always use: if

534
00:26:43,749 --> 00:26:46,791
you're throwing a party
and
everybody's there, and all

535
00:26:46,851 --> 00:26:50,629
you're doing is looking out the
door, looking out the window to

536
00:26:50,689 --> 00:26:54,232
see who's coming in next, those
people are going to feel that

537
00:26:54,232 --> 00:26:56,867
at the party.
They're going to
wonder who is

538
00:26:56,867 --> 00:27:00,026
the why is this host not care
about us here,
right?

539
00:27:00,026 --> 00:27:03,548
So just keep that in mind, and
remember, all you're
serving

540
00:27:03,548 --> 00:27:07,391
are those who are there, and you
want to make sure you're


541
00:27:07,399 --> 00:27:10,273
serving them up well.
Okay, who else wanted to chime

542
00:27:10,273 --> 00:27:12,377
in?
Let's
go to BC, and then you

543
00:27:12,377 --> 00:27:14,460
DR. BC Babbles: So I think I was

going to say I feel the same

544
00:27:14,580 --> 00:27:15,680
thing from a different

perspective.

545
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:18,885
I come from radio, and so a lot
of times coming
into

546
00:27:18,885 --> 00:27:22,190
podcasting, I kind of felt the
need to be as performative
as

547
00:27:22,190 --> 00:27:24,966
radio kind of demands of on-air
hosts.

548
00:27:24,966 --> 00:27:29,654
One thing that's
helped me
over time to not speed run and

549
00:27:29,654 --> 00:27:35,132
to give myself the time
that I
deserve as a host on my own

550
00:27:35,132 --> 00:27:39,308
platform is really drill
into
myself two things.

551
00:27:39,308 --> 00:27:42,523
One, imposter syndrome is a
squatter
that pays no rent.

552
00:27:42,523 --> 00:27:45,600
It's in your head, rent free,
and that's not
going to

553
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:47,914
change.
So there's no need to respect

554
00:27:47,914 --> 00:27:50,556
it.
And then
two, it's your space,

555
00:27:50,556 --> 00:27:54,680
it's your time.
So you really need to
allow

556
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:59,856
yourself to kind of self
engineer this idea of not giving

557
00:27:59,856 --> 00:28:05,400

to craps about the speed, give
yourself the luxury of time and

558
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:08,906
cadence.
And there's a word I had, but I

559
00:28:08,906 --> 00:28:10,852
lost it.
But give
yourself that grace

560
00:28:10,852 --> 00:28:12,978
because again, it's your space,
it's
your show.

561
00:28:12,978 --> 00:28:15,684
You approach these topics
really, really well.

562
00:28:15,684 --> 00:28:19,783
So
allow yourself to breathe
and move through it at a proper

563
00:28:19,783 --> 00:28:22,200
pace.
Marc Ronick: Great advice, DR.


564
00:28:22,208 --> 00:28:25,268
How about you?
DR: Well, I wanted to address


565
00:28:25,276 --> 00:28:27,858
what Rez said about the guest
introduction.

566
00:28:27,858 --> 00:28:33,203
I am there are two
different
camps on this, and I am in a

567
00:28:33,203 --> 00:28:36,850
different camp.
You
know, if your listeners

568
00:28:36,850 --> 00:28:40,710
know you, you've already built
up
that no like and trust.

569
00:28:40,710 --> 00:28:45,470
They should trust that you are
going
to have the best guests

570
00:28:45,470 --> 00:28:49,654
that you possibly can get.
And you know,
I'm coming from

571
00:28:49,654 --> 00:28:53,221
one of my clients.
They just and she likes
walks

572
00:28:53,221 --> 00:28:57,435
on the beach and crocheting with
her grandson and
blah blah

573
00:28:57,435 --> 00:29:00,822
blah.
I mean, it could go on for a

574
00:29:00,822 --> 00:29:04,818
long time, that's a
lot of
wasted time that you could be

575
00:29:04,818 --> 00:29:06,588
actually talking to
your
guest.

576
00:29:06,588 --> 00:29:09,783
So instead, maybe just say, "If
you want to know
more about

577
00:29:09,783 --> 00:29:12,450
the guest, please go ahead and
take a look at the
show notes.

578
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,864
Marc Ronick: Yeah, I love it.

Thank you, DR. By the way, just

579
00:29:15,919 --> 00:29:19,139
a reminder: if you are still

here listening, remember I've

580
00:29:19,194 --> 00:29:21,350
got an announcement I want to

share.

581
00:29:21,350 --> 00:29:24,218
Our show announcement.
I want to share a pretty big one

582
00:29:24,218 --> 00:29:28,053

by the at the end of the show.
So stick with us till the end


583
00:29:28,061 --> 00:29:30,065
today, please.
All right, let's see here.

584
00:29:30,065 --> 00:29:33,342
Dan, you had
something, and
then let's go to Sid, and then

585
00:29:33,342 --> 00:29:36,482
let's move on
because I have
more clips I want to play.

586
00:29:36,482 --> 00:29:39,381
So Dan, you're up first.
Dan: knikki, you're really good

587
00:29:39,381 --> 00:29:42,298
because you're leading with
emotion, and I think what you're

588
00:29:42,298 --> 00:29:46,053

trying to do is you're trying
to cram way too much stuff into

589
00:29:46,053 --> 00:29:48,694
the
introduction.
Like you're asking, I think I

590
00:29:48,694 --> 00:29:51,525
counted three
questions, and
ultimately, every part of the

591
00:29:51,525 --> 00:29:54,307
podcast, the from
the top to
the bottom, the thing, the

592
00:29:54,307 --> 00:29:57,689
element is to get
people to
listen to the next thing or the

593
00:29:57,689 --> 00:29:59,848
next element.

Right, all you really have to

594
00:29:59,901 --> 00:30:01,261
do-you're leading with emotion.


595
00:30:01,269 --> 00:30:05,237
Just ask one question instead of
three, and that is going to be


596
00:30:05,245 --> 00:30:07,607
strong enough.
You're going to make even a

597
00:30:07,607 --> 00:30:10,481
bigger emotional
connection.
And then when you're kind of,

598
00:30:10,481 --> 00:30:13,264
you know, giving that

question, people are going to be

599
00:30:13,317 --> 00:30:15,071
like, "Oh, okay.
How do I get
that?

600
00:30:15,071 --> 00:30:17,902
What is in it for me?
Like you just told me the

601
00:30:17,902 --> 00:30:21,241
question I
want to learn, as
opposed to, you know, here are

602
00:30:21,241 --> 00:30:23,604
three
questions.
Because by question number two,

603
00:30:23,604 --> 00:30:26,998
they're like, shoot,
I already
forgot question number one, and

604
00:30:26,998 --> 00:30:29,039
I was interested in
question
number one.

605
00:30:29,039 --> 00:30:31,003
Well, question number two is
pretty
good.

606
00:30:31,003 --> 00:30:34,349
Now all of a sudden, you're at
question number three,
and

607
00:30:34,349 --> 00:30:37,239
they're like, "Fit, what
happened to question number one?

608
00:30:37,239 --> 00:30:39,087


Ah, but question number two was

609
00:30:39,140 --> 00:30:41,687
really good too.
So just you're
so good at

610
00:30:41,687 --> 00:30:44,579
leading with emotion, lead with
one question, and the
other

611
00:30:44,579 --> 00:30:47,360
thing is like because you're
cramming so much stuff in


612
00:30:47,368 --> 00:30:49,525
there, you feel like you have to
rush.

613
00:30:49,525 --> 00:30:52,095
You just have to like have
one
thing, slow down.

614
00:30:52,095 --> 00:30:55,251
And I've been doing this for a
long time,
and I know I've got

615
00:30:55,251 --> 00:30:58,077
a ton of listeners, but I
literally will
tell myself

616
00:30:58,077 --> 00:31:01,619
when I get nervous, because I do
get nervous, I'll
be like,

617
00:31:01,619 --> 00:31:04,233
"Don't worry, dumb, dumb.
No one's listening to
this.

618
00:31:04,233 --> 00:31:07,326
Even though I know people are
listening, I like do the


619
00:31:07,334 --> 00:31:10,841
opposite of what Mark just said.
I just tell myself, "Yeah, no


620
00:31:10,849 --> 00:31:12,950
one's listening.
Don't worry about it, dummy.

621
00:31:12,950 --> 00:31:14,880
Just be damned,
and it'll come
out.

622
00:31:14,970 --> 00:31:16,659
Marc Ronick: That's fair.
Yeah,
I like that advice.

623
00:31:16,659 --> 00:31:19,556
You know, I think about what
would you say
though.

624
00:31:19,556 --> 00:31:23,764
You you see commercials all the
time where they will ask


625
00:31:23,772 --> 00:31:27,425
multiple questions to the viewer
right there right so like you


626
00:31:27,433 --> 00:31:31,546
think then Dan that they're
doing it wrong Dan: different

627
00:31:31,546 --> 00:31:34,632
medium you got
when you're on
a commercial like a TV

628
00:31:34,632 --> 00:31:37,076
commercial or whatever
there's
just a lot of stuff flying at

629
00:31:37,076 --> 00:31:39,620
you you got graphics
or
supporting graphical elements

630
00:31:39,650 --> 00:31:43,480
there's sound there's everything

podcasting ultimately. again,

631
00:31:43,540 --> 00:31:46,093
video kind of throws a wrench

into everything.

632
00:31:46,093 --> 00:31:49,862
But you know, if you treat it
like an audio
only, even if

633
00:31:49,862 --> 00:31:52,835
you do have video, you're going
to be connecting to
the

634
00:31:52,835 --> 00:31:54,938
person.
And just think about making a

635
00:31:54,938 --> 00:31:57,134
connection.
And like it
sounds lame, but

636
00:31:57,134 --> 00:32:00,236
everyone always says you're just
think about
talking to one

637
00:32:00,236 --> 00:32:02,040
person.
It's like the most overused

638
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:04,440
piece of
advice, but it is
actually true.

639
00:32:04,830 --> 00:32:06,695
And Marc Ronick: see, Dan, that
that
leads to what I was

640
00:32:06,695 --> 00:32:08,262
saying before.
Pretend like you're just


641
00:32:08,270 --> 00:32:11,598
talking to one person.
If you are genuinely doing that,

642
00:32:11,598 --> 00:32:13,830
are
you rushing and racing
through?

643
00:32:14,100 --> 00:32:16,890
Like you know, Nikki said she

does because she doesn't think

644
00:32:16,950 --> 00:32:18,180
there's really anybody listening

anyway.

645
00:32:18,180 --> 00:32:20,557
You know what I mean?
Dan: Yeah.

646
00:32:20,557 --> 00:32:22,938
No, I mean Knikki.

Like you know your stuff, and

647
00:32:22,991 --> 00:32:26,009
when you're only trying to,

that's why I said answer, ask

648
00:32:26,062 --> 00:32:28,152
one question.
Because when you
know your

649
00:32:28,152 --> 00:32:30,612
stuff, you're the one who put it
together.

650
00:32:30,612 --> 00:32:32,733
There is no
imposter syndrome.
You're you.

651
00:32:32,786 --> 00:32:34,704
You did it.
This is your thing.


652
00:32:34,712 --> 00:32:36,421
You're not an imposter.
You're Nikki.

653
00:32:36,421 --> 00:32:39,106
Now, are you the greatest

expert in the world?

654
00:32:39,106 --> 00:32:41,073
Probably not.
But that's not how expert


655
00:32:41,081 --> 00:32:43,338
works.
You know, in my family, I'm the

656
00:32:43,338 --> 00:32:45,427
computer expert.
When a
computer breaks, they

657
00:32:45,427 --> 00:32:47,745
call me.
When I have a problem with a


658
00:32:47,753 --> 00:32:50,471
computer, I call my buddy
Dwight, and I go, "What the


659
00:32:50,479 --> 00:32:53,596
hell's going on with my Mac?
When he doesn't know, he calls


660
00:32:53,604 --> 00:32:55,544
his son.
So that's how expert works.

661
00:32:55,544 --> 00:32:57,700
There are no guidelines.

There's no levels.

662
00:32:57,700 --> 00:33:00,868
It's just, do you know more than
the people
under you?

663
00:33:00,868 --> 00:33:04,209
And of course, that's the point.
Don't try to be
anything that

664
00:33:04,209 --> 00:33:05,999
you're not.
Just you know, connect.

665
00:33:05,999 --> 00:33:09,047
That's what
it's all about.
Marc Ronick: Ralph, did you want

666
00:33:09,047 --> 00:33:10,900

to chime in?
Ralph Estep Jr.: Yeah, Mark, I


667
00:33:10,908 --> 00:33:13,516
want to jump in here because
this is the very situation I


668
00:33:13,524 --> 00:33:16,544
found myself in four or five
months ago when I hired a


669
00:33:16,552 --> 00:33:18,708
speaking coach.
I was doing exactly what Nikki

670
00:33:18,708 --> 00:33:21,865
was doing,
and what my
speaking coach did, and Abby, my

671
00:33:21,865 --> 00:33:24,698
VA, has helped
immensely.
I brought her into the room

672
00:33:24,698 --> 00:33:27,246
because now I'm
actually
having a conversation with

673
00:33:27,246 --> 00:33:30,026
someone who nods their
head,
with someone who gives me

674
00:33:30,078 --> 00:33:32,302
feedback.
And Nikki knows how to
do this

675
00:33:32,302 --> 00:33:34,857
because during the interview
part, she did it
perfectly.

676
00:33:34,857 --> 00:33:38,339
So what you've got to do, Nikki,
is bring that into
the intro

677
00:33:38,339 --> 00:33:41,261
portion at the same time, and
what I think you'll
find is

678
00:33:41,261 --> 00:33:44,546
that this will be so smooth you
won't even feel the
difference

679
00:33:44,546 --> 00:33:46,331
between the intro and the
interview.

680
00:33:46,331 --> 00:33:49,639
One of the things
you might
want to try actually is record

681
00:33:49,639 --> 00:33:52,680
the intro as part of
the
recording when you're doing the

682
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,779
interview, because then
you're
going to have that person in

683
00:33:55,779 --> 00:33:58,498
front of you and just picture

like, "Hey, come on in.

684
00:33:58,498 --> 00:34:00,937
Let's have a seat.
Let's all sit down
and let's

685
00:34:00,937 --> 00:34:04,107
have a little conversation, and
then you just
go from there,

686
00:34:04,107 --> 00:34:07,040
like you're having a talk with
one of your
best friends.

687
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:08,324
Marc Ronick: Thank you, Ralph

and Sid.

688
00:34:08,324 --> 00:34:10,788
Did you want to chime in?
I'm going to give you the


689
00:34:10,795 --> 00:34:12,929
final word on this section of
the evaluation.

690
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:16,106
Sid Meadows: Yeah, lots of great

insights here on the intro.

691
00:34:16,106 --> 00:34:19,850
The only thing that I would add
is
whether you did it in the

692
00:34:19,850 --> 00:34:23,226
intro, which is probably not

appropriate for the intro, but

693
00:34:23,286 --> 00:34:26,755
the first question maybe to ask
the guest is to because I

694
00:34:26,755 --> 00:34:30,393
didn't know and still don't know

because I didn't take the time

695
00:34:30,452 --> 00:34:33,505
to Google it what a

psychotherapist was or what they

696
00:34:33,565 --> 00:34:35,646
do.
So it would just have been
for

697
00:34:35,646 --> 00:34:38,933
those of us that don't know what
that person is or does.


698
00:34:38,940 --> 00:34:42,012
Maybe explain it to us.
Marc Ronick: I think that's a


699
00:34:42,020 --> 00:34:44,186
great suggestion.
Yeah, admittedly, when you say

700
00:34:44,186 --> 00:34:47,088
it, I
don't really know what
one is either.

701
00:34:47,088 --> 00:34:49,205
Like, I have a general
idea,
right?

702
00:34:49,205 --> 00:34:52,996
But but in the big picture, I
don't know exactly
what they

703
00:34:52,996 --> 00:34:55,460
do.
So that would be helpful and a

704
00:34:55,460 --> 00:34:59,315
great way to start
to get to
know the guest by asking that

705
00:34:59,315 --> 00:35:01,322
question and hearing
their
answer.

706
00:35:01,322 --> 00:35:03,455
Yeah, good suggestion.
I like it.

707
00:35:03,455 --> 00:35:05,990
Thank
you.
I'm going to jump around a

708
00:35:06,054 --> 00:35:09,096
little bit, okay?
Because I know
we only have

709
00:35:09,096 --> 00:35:12,940
roughly 20 minutes or so, and I
have an
announcement I want to

710
00:35:12,940 --> 00:35:14,912
make also.
So there's one area here.


711
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,920
Let me see if I can find it.
Bear with me.

712
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:21,780
This is oh yes,
here we go.
This is a clip that I've that

713
00:35:21,780 --> 00:35:24,942
demonstrates one of
what I
think Nikki's shows most

714
00:35:25,006 --> 00:35:28,809
distinctive production choices

is Cassie finishes a thought,

715
00:35:28,872 --> 00:35:30,888
and then you hear a whoosh

sound.

716
00:35:30,888 --> 00:35:35,170
I'll play it for you, and then
Knikki enters with an
addition

717
00:35:35,170 --> 00:35:38,178
with additional context about
what they're talking
about,

718
00:35:38,178 --> 00:35:41,530
which was I think in this case
the flight response.

719
00:35:41,530 --> 00:35:45,628
Okay,
so here, let me play it
for you, and then let's talk

720
00:35:45,628 --> 00:35:47,952
about it.
Tide: Few decades to figure out

721
00:35:47,952 --> 00:35:51,634
how to change that for myself,
so that I didn't have to pass


722
00:35:51,642 --> 00:35:54,574
that on to my kids.
However, they both have that

723
00:35:54,574 --> 00:35:57,860
energy,
regardless if I want
them to have it or not.

724
00:35:57,860 --> 00:36:00,856
So I think it's
about
channeling it in a way that's

725
00:36:00,856 --> 00:36:04,329
going to serve them and

hopefully not get them the same

726
00:36:04,391 --> 00:36:06,755
type of trouble that their mom

got into.

727
00:36:06,755 --> 00:36:10,579
Cassie gives us a little bit of
insight into the
way that she

728
00:36:10,579 --> 00:36:14,313
grows up, but she mentions one
key term, and that
is fight

729
00:36:14,313 --> 00:36:16,944
response.
Based on my research, a fight

730
00:36:16,944 --> 00:36:20,794
response
trauma, particularly
in women, is characterized by


731
00:36:20,802 --> 00:36:23,397
adrenaline-fueled anger,
physical defensiveness, and


732
00:36:23,405 --> 00:36:26,910
verbal assertiveness, and is
often complicated or more


733
00:36:26,918 --> 00:36:30,576
complicated in the Midwest by
cultural expectations to remain

734
00:36:30,576 --> 00:36:32,748
agreeable or quote unquote
nice.

735
00:36:32,809 --> 00:36:36,231
When women suppress this natural

defense to avoid social

736
00:36:36,292 --> 00:36:39,776
friction, this stored survival

energy can lead to chronic

737
00:36:39,837 --> 00:36:43,382
anxiety and physical tension.

Let's see if this definition

738
00:36:43,443 --> 00:36:46,560
matches with what Cassie's

experience actually was.

739
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:49,854
Marc Ronick: I absolutely love

this, and I'm going to go to you

740
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:53,872
first, DR. Because when you

submitted your feedback for this

741
00:36:53,938 --> 00:36:56,443
one, you recommended this

particular clip.

742
00:36:56,443 --> 00:37:00,000
So, what stood out to you?
Why did you select it?

743
00:37:00,100 --> 00:37:05,550
DR: Well, you know, this podcast

is like a hybrid between a

744
00:37:05,730 --> 00:37:10,350
narrative podcast and an

interview podcast, and that is

745
00:37:10,470 --> 00:37:13,718
so interesting.
The whoosh-we
call it a

746
00:37:13,718 --> 00:37:16,911
whoosh, but today it sounded
more like a clap to me.


747
00:37:16,919 --> 00:37:18,450
I'm not sure.
Marc Ronick: Yeah, or like a


748
00:37:18,458 --> 00:37:23,708
whip, DR: like a whip.
Yeah, I think
it needs to be

749
00:37:23,708 --> 00:37:27,050
lower, maybe slower and lower.
I don't know
something that is

750
00:37:27,050 --> 00:37:32,858
going to make a bigger emphasis
on the fact
that this is an

751
00:37:32,858 --> 00:37:39,205
aside, and also during your
aside, your
narration, I

752
00:37:39,205 --> 00:37:44,614
noticed today.
I noticed a little bit of a

753
00:37:44,614 --> 00:37:49,382
bounce
back on your voice,
like there was just a tiny

754
00:37:49,382 --> 00:37:51,254
little bit of an
echo.
But you know what?

755
00:37:51,254 --> 00:37:56,236
For me, it worked because made
it
separate from it.

756
00:37:56,236 --> 00:37:59,874
Made it that narration.
It, do you know what
I'm

757
00:37:59,874 --> 00:38:01,647
saying?
It made it totally different

758
00:38:01,647 --> 00:38:05,150
from the conversation
that you
were having with the person.

759
00:38:05,150 --> 00:38:09,232
So for me, in this
respect,
and I don't ever recall me

760
00:38:09,232 --> 00:38:14,175
thinking this ever before,
but
the bounce kind of worked for

761
00:38:14,175 --> 00:38:16,385
me.
Marc Ronick: Yeah, it worked a


762
00:38:16,393 --> 00:38:18,102
lot for me.
It reminded me a little bit.

763
00:38:18,102 --> 00:38:20,926
It was like in the
spirit of
the old "I'm going to date

764
00:38:20,926 --> 00:38:23,415
myself.
VH1 pop up videos
where you

765
00:38:23,415 --> 00:38:27,318
know that you would be watching
the video and then the
little

766
00:38:27,318 --> 00:38:29,702
informational nugget would
appear on the screen
during

767
00:38:29,702 --> 00:38:32,270
the music video.
This is the podcast equivalent

768
00:38:32,270 --> 00:38:34,790
of that,
and I applaud it,
Nikki.

769
00:38:34,790 --> 00:38:37,984
I love the idea.
It's something that
honestly I

770
00:38:37,984 --> 00:38:41,042
think could work also really
well on this show, right?


771
00:38:41,050 --> 00:38:44,260
Like we could be talking about
something, and then we could


772
00:38:44,268 --> 00:38:47,860
swoosh in, and I could chime in
with a little extra insight, and

773
00:38:47,860 --> 00:38:49,534

then we go back to the
conversation.

774
00:38:49,534 --> 00:38:52,666
I think that
there's a lot to
this, especially because one

775
00:38:52,666 --> 00:38:56,010
last
thing: the you know we
talk about this on this show

776
00:38:56,010 --> 00:38:58,748
when we
have when we talk
about interview podcasts.

777
00:38:58,748 --> 00:39:03,855
The
challenge is we often just
gravitate to putting the guest


778
00:39:03,863 --> 00:39:08,190
in the spotlight, and a lot of
times the purpose of our podcast

779
00:39:08,190 --> 00:39:11,690

is to put ourselves in the
spotlight in the sense of we're

780
00:39:11,690 --> 00:39:13,820
trying to get more business,
right?

781
00:39:13,820 --> 00:39:16,773
There, the whole purpose
is to
showcase us, our brand, our

782
00:39:16,773 --> 00:39:18,954
business.
But it's hard to
do if you're

783
00:39:18,954 --> 00:39:21,785
only focusing on the guest.
So it provides both
avenues.

784
00:39:21,785 --> 00:39:25,335
We get to learn about the guests
during the show, but
we also

785
00:39:25,335 --> 00:39:27,940
get to connect and learn from
the host as well.

786
00:39:27,940 --> 00:39:29,840
And I
applaud you for doing
that, Nikki.

787
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:34,275
DR: I think I would change it

that whip sound to something a

788
00:39:34,342 --> 00:39:38,002
little bit more substantial.

Maybe that's the word I'm

789
00:39:38,070 --> 00:39:40,660
looking for.
A little bit more
substantial.

790
00:39:40,660 --> 00:39:42,555
Yes.
To let it's again.

791
00:39:42,555 --> 00:39:46,056
It's a slower thing.
You
want to let your audience

792
00:39:46,056 --> 00:39:48,575
sink in.
Okay, now Nikki's going to


793
00:39:48,583 --> 00:39:51,421
come in with her narration kind
of thing.

794
00:39:51,421 --> 00:39:54,190
Yeah, Marc Ronick: I almost feel
like
maybe I don't know why,

795
00:39:54,190 --> 00:39:57,687
but the sound effect that comes
to mind
for me is like a

796
00:39:57,687 --> 00:40:00,834
doorbell instead of instead of a
whoosh,
or even yeah, Dan:

797
00:40:00,834 --> 00:40:02,000
Nikki.
It was pretty harsh.

798
00:40:02,100 --> 00:40:03,030
Marc Ronick: It was harsh, you

thought?

799
00:40:03,750 --> 00:40:05,620
Dan: Yeah, big.
Like I got hit
in the head

800
00:40:05,620 --> 00:40:08,278
with a chair, DR: or even the
whoosh that we
use on this

801
00:40:08,278 --> 00:40:10,608
show.
Marc Ronick: Sure, DR: it's a

802
00:40:10,608 --> 00:40:13,164
low sound.
It's a low
frequency.

803
00:40:13,164 --> 00:40:14,886
Yes.
Marc Ronick: Yeah.

804
00:40:14,886 --> 00:40:15,270
Yeah.
Yeah.

805
00:40:15,270 --> 00:40:17,220
I
agree.
I think maybe that was a little

806
00:40:17,220 --> 00:40:19,165
short.
I appreciate that
suggestion.

807
00:40:19,165 --> 00:40:21,438
Okay.
Who else I see here?

808
00:40:21,438 --> 00:40:22,889
Okay, Sid, was that you?
I
did.

809
00:40:22,889 --> 00:40:24,689
Yeah, go ahead.
Sid Meadows: Yes, sir.

810
00:40:24,689 --> 00:40:27,900
So I was
actually going to say
what Dr. said, and but I'm going

811
00:40:27,900 --> 00:40:30,337
to add
to it.
The interruption needs to be a

812
00:40:30,337 --> 00:40:33,230
little bit longer, but I
also
think that maybe Nikki, you

813
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:36,320
should consider a sound that's a

bit more feminine, because I

814
00:40:36,350 --> 00:40:38,128
would imagine your audience is

mostly feminine.

815
00:40:38,128 --> 00:40:42,613
Your show has a vibe that is
very feminine, so
maybe the

816
00:40:42,613 --> 00:40:47,300
sound is more feminine.
But I will say, when I
first

817
00:40:47,300 --> 00:40:50,690
heard this, I was like, "Oh,
this is interesting.

818
00:40:50,690 --> 00:40:53,675
Am I
listening to a narrative
show or am I listening to an

819
00:40:53,675 --> 00:40:55,390
interview
show?
I actually put that in my

820
00:40:55,570 --> 00:40:57,768
evaluation.
I was confused, but
then when

821
00:40:57,768 --> 00:41:00,524
Mark just played the clip, is
like, boom!

822
00:41:00,524 --> 00:41:04,482
This is
really good.
I actually really like this.

823
00:41:04,482 --> 00:41:09,806
I like this
interruption and
you sharing you sharing your

824
00:41:09,806 --> 00:41:11,226
insights.
Mark, are
you going to get to

825
00:41:11,226 --> 00:41:13,500
the clip where she shares the 11

takeaways?

826
00:41:14,310 --> 00:41:17,610
Marc Ronick: Well, I'm not going

to play the 11 takeaways, but

827
00:41:17,700 --> 00:41:19,710
yes, I do have that clip and I

can play that.

828
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:22,919
Sid Meadows: Yeah, I just wanted

to add to that clip as I think

829
00:41:22,919 --> 00:41:25,448
a missed opportunity there.
If I
can, if now is

830
00:41:25,448 --> 00:41:27,104
appropriate.
Marc Ronick: Yeah, I'll play it.

831
00:41:27,104 --> 00:41:28,730


So let me jump to my notes here.

832
00:41:28,910 --> 00:41:30,800
Bear with me because yeah, why

not?

833
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:34,212
Let's just do it here.
Okay, the clip here.

834
00:41:34,212 --> 00:41:37,028
It is.
So
this is where you're.

835
00:41:37,028 --> 00:41:39,389
We're going to hear what Sid's
talking
about at the.

836
00:41:39,389 --> 00:41:42,385
It's going to come up at the
very end of this clip
I'm

837
00:41:42,385 --> 00:41:46,105
going to play, but basically
Cassie has been describing where

838
00:41:46,105 --> 00:41:49,240

she physically experiences
emotions connected to her


839
00:41:49,248 --> 00:41:53,330
childhood, and she mentions
feeling it in her heart and her

840
00:41:53,330 --> 00:41:55,754
gut.
And Nikki responds by connecting

841
00:41:55,754 --> 00:42:00,548
gut issues with
abandonment,
fear, etc. and she starts to

842
00:42:00,548 --> 00:42:03,780
explain some somatic
therapy
and concludes part one.

843
00:42:04,170 --> 00:42:07,110
So I'll play it for you, and

you'll hear how she concludes

844
00:42:07,140 --> 00:42:08,701
it.
And then Sid will come right


845
00:42:08,709 --> 00:42:10,950
back to you to share what you
were talking about.

846
00:42:11,100 --> 00:42:13,260
Cassie: So there's definitely a
piece that still sits in my

847
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:15,580
heart, but not as bad as it used

to be.

848
00:42:15,580 --> 00:42:17,850
But there's a lot in my gut for
sure.

849
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:21,650
Tide: Yeah, that makes sense.

Okay, it does make sense to me

850
00:42:21,770 --> 00:42:23,960
because, like, even though I

didn't live the same life as you

851
00:42:24,020 --> 00:42:27,410
do, I can definitely see, even

in my own experience and in

852
00:42:27,530 --> 00:42:31,649
other kids' experience, the ones

that have some gut issues.

853
00:42:31,649 --> 00:42:35,640
I mean, it might not be all
cases,
of course, but usually

854
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:39,280
there's some level of
abandonment or
fear being

855
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:43,840
scared, and I feel like that
really concentrates in
the

856
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:45,910
stomach.
I don't know, though.

857
00:42:45,910 --> 00:42:48,310
Not a dog.
Cassie: Absolutely, absolutely.

858
00:42:48,850 --> 00:42:51,040
Tide: For those of you guys

interested in exploring more

859
00:42:51,100 --> 00:42:53,590
about what Cassie has talked

about, feeling this energy being

860
00:42:53,710 --> 00:42:57,340
trapped in the body, somatic

does mean related to the living

861
00:42:57,430 --> 00:43:00,960
body, and somatic therapy is a

body-centered approach that

862
00:43:01,020 --> 00:43:04,332
focuses on how trauma and stress

manifest physically.

863
00:43:04,332 --> 00:43:08,130
It operates on the principle
that the body
holds and

864
00:43:08,130 --> 00:43:10,830
expresses unresolved emotions,
helping individuals
release

865
00:43:10,830 --> 00:43:13,698
physical tension and regulate
their nervous system.


866
00:43:13,706 --> 00:43:16,970
Before diving into part two of
this interview with Cassio Day,

867
00:43:16,970 --> 00:43:19,619
I want to focus in on a few key
takeaways.

868
00:43:19,619 --> 00:43:23,084
For me, it was how
deeply
children feel the emotional

869
00:43:23,084 --> 00:43:26,510
reality of their
relationship
that they have with their

870
00:43:26,510 --> 00:43:28,268
parents.
Marc Ronick: Okay, so there


871
00:43:28,276 --> 00:43:32,000
we'll stop it right there.
I will say I think a transition

872
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:35,930
would have been helpful, where
she was kind of wrapping up and

873
00:43:35,930 --> 00:43:38,570
then moved into the takeaways.
Again, maybe it's that same


874
00:43:38,578 --> 00:43:41,660
sound effect, whether it's the
whip sound or, like Sid had


875
00:43:41,668 --> 00:43:43,504
suggested, maybe something a
little more feminine.

876
00:43:43,504 --> 00:43:46,498
Although
some people may argue
a whip sound could be feminine,

877
00:43:46,498 --> 00:43:48,130
depending on what circles
you're in.

878
00:43:50,230 --> 00:43:53,329
DR: Very good.
Maybe a wind
chime or

879
00:43:53,329 --> 00:43:54,490
something.
Yes, yes.

880
00:43:54,789 --> 00:43:58,089
Marc Ronick: And I would say

that it also the conclusion

881
00:43:58,119 --> 00:44:01,319
before she transitioned into

feedback, it felt a little

882
00:44:01,439 --> 00:44:04,739
rushed as well, and I'm guessing

there was maybe a script

883
00:44:04,799 --> 00:44:06,917
involved in that as well.
So I
would just encourage the

884
00:44:06,917 --> 00:44:09,415
same thing we were encouraging
at the
beginning.

885
00:44:09,415 --> 00:44:12,209
So with that, Sid, what did you
want to chime in
about here?

886
00:44:13,050 --> 00:44:14,526
Sid Meadows: Yeah.
So there was
a point in the

887
00:44:14,526 --> 00:44:18,820
show, Nikki, where you that I
have 11
questions for you, and

888
00:44:18,820 --> 00:44:22,912
you went through the 11
questions, which
is great that

889
00:44:22,912 --> 00:44:28,100
you're sharing that insights.
But what I think
might be more

890
00:44:28,100 --> 00:44:31,895
beneficial is say I've come up
with 11 questions
that you can

891
00:44:31,895 --> 00:44:34,042
ask yourself.
I want to give you an example of

892
00:44:34,042 --> 00:44:36,770

two of them right now, and
list those two questions, and

893
00:44:36,770 --> 00:44:40,460
then
say if you'd like the
full list, be sure you click the

894
00:44:40,460 --> 00:44:43,630
link in
the show notes and
download the list because then

895
00:44:43,630 --> 00:44:48,030
it becomes a
document they can
then look at and read and refer

896
00:44:48,030 --> 00:44:49,410
back to.
But
more importantly, it

897
00:44:49,410 --> 00:44:52,702
becomes a lead capture for you.
You're
capturing their email

898
00:44:52,702 --> 00:44:55,369
list, so now you're building
your email
list by saying,

899
00:44:55,369 --> 00:44:57,426
"I've given you a sample of
these questions.

900
00:44:57,426 --> 00:45:00,240
Go
to the show notes, and you
can get the."

901
00:45:00,240 --> 00:45:04,050
List and then people
that are
interested in this will grab it.

902
00:45:04,050 --> 00:45:05,580
They'll give you their
email
address.

903
00:45:05,580 --> 00:45:07,884
They'll download the list.
They'll likely print
it and

904
00:45:07,884 --> 00:45:10,710
refer back to it.
So I think that was a missed


905
00:45:10,718 --> 00:45:12,210
opportunity to build your email
list.

906
00:45:13,410 --> 00:45:15,600
Marc Ronick: Great suggestion.

Yes, and Ralph, go ahead.

907
00:45:16,380 --> 00:45:17,940
Ralph Estep Jr.: Yeah, and it's
funny because Nikki and I

908
00:45:17,940 --> 00:45:20,070
actually talked about this

because I said you got through

909
00:45:20,130 --> 00:45:23,222
11 and I had whiplash.
I really
couldn't remember the

910
00:45:23,222 --> 00:45:26,768
first two or the middle one, and
I thought
there was a missed

911
00:45:26,768 --> 00:45:28,534
opportunity there.
And I love what where Sid
is

912
00:45:28,534 --> 00:45:29,786
going.
This, you know, I'm the money

913
00:45:29,786 --> 00:45:32,183
guy, so I'm always
trying to
figure out how can you drive

914
00:45:32,183 --> 00:45:35,623
some revenue for your
show.
This is a great landing page.

915
00:45:35,623 --> 00:45:38,985
It's a great offer piece
that
you could give, and you could

916
00:45:38,985 --> 00:45:40,864
just tease it a little
bit.
Say, hey, I've got some great

917
00:45:40,864 --> 00:45:44,560
takeaways from today's
show.
You can go to xyz.com/slash and

918
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:47,760
you can grab
my, and it would
help build the brand.

919
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:50,620
And I think it would be
more
impactful because Nikki got

920
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:53,140
through the 11, and I couldn't

remember what the first one was

921
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:55,250
to be honest.
And I mean that in
a very

922
00:45:55,250 --> 00:45:57,220
positive way.
Marc Ronick: Yeah, I think that

923
00:45:57,220 --> 00:46:01,185
for a wrap up like that,
providing up to three takeaways

924
00:46:01,185 --> 00:46:05,988
is all you really need, and
yeah, I I echo and appreciate


925
00:46:05,996 --> 00:46:08,493
what Sid was suggesting there as
well.

926
00:46:08,493 --> 00:46:11,216
How you can do that, and
Ralph
piling on there.

927
00:46:11,216 --> 00:46:13,890
Yeah, I'm with you guys.
I think three
takeaways, not

928
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:15,965
Ralph Estep Jr.: piling.
Well, Marc Ronick: piling on to

929
00:46:15,965 --> 00:46:18,739
what
Sid piling on to what Sid
was asking.

930
00:46:18,739 --> 00:46:21,596
Right, I don't mean
piling on
Nikki.

931
00:46:21,596 --> 00:46:23,895
Yes.
Okay, so one last thing I want

932
00:46:23,895 --> 00:46:25,864
to get to,
and I think I have
a clip.

933
00:46:25,864 --> 00:46:28,910
I have to find it, but I'm just
going to start with a general

934
00:46:28,970 --> 00:46:31,994
question to the group.
What did
you think about

935
00:46:31,994 --> 00:46:35,728
Nikki's interviewing style?
The
questions she asked, was

936
00:46:35,728 --> 00:46:40,324
she good at the follow up, etc.
BC,
go for BC Babbles: it.

937
00:46:40,324 --> 00:46:43,896
Yeah, as I
alluded to a little
bit earlier, I think for the

938
00:46:43,896 --> 00:46:48,800
kinds of topics
that were
addressed in this part one

939
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:52,540
episode, there was a great

level of care in the approach.

940
00:46:52,660 --> 00:46:55,540
There was also a nice balance

with a there was a matter of

941
00:46:55,660 --> 00:46:59,020
factness with the way Nikki

approached the questions.

942
00:46:59,020 --> 00:47:02,095
She didn't kind of tease around
it
very straightforward with

943
00:47:02,095 --> 00:47:05,145
the questions, but you can tell
the
care there.

944
00:47:05,145 --> 00:47:08,820
It didn't come across as someone
who was trying
to fish for

945
00:47:08,820 --> 00:47:11,405
juicy things.
This wasn't about like this was

946
00:47:11,405 --> 00:47:14,619
not
about luring in the
audience with juicy takes.

947
00:47:14,619 --> 00:47:18,254
This is about
education.
This is about transparent

948
00:47:18,254 --> 00:47:23,562
discussion on not
easy,
typically to discuss things, and

949
00:47:23,562 --> 00:47:27,440
I think that those
things
together showcase a great

950
00:47:27,620 --> 00:47:31,790
professionalism with Nikki's

hosting and interviewing skills

951
00:47:31,850 --> 00:47:34,310
that I think people could take a

lot of a lot away from.

952
00:47:35,270 --> 00:47:36,710
Marc Ronick: Yeah, thank you,

BC.

953
00:47:36,710 --> 00:47:40,214
And again, just for sake of
time, I'm not going to comment


954
00:47:40,222 --> 00:47:42,262
on everybody's responses.
So, Sid, you're next.

955
00:47:42,262 --> 00:47:45,120
What did you
want to add?
Sid Meadows: Yeah, Nikki, I


956
00:47:45,128 --> 00:47:47,664
think you're a great host.
I can tell that pretty much

957
00:47:47,664 --> 00:47:50,794
anybody
sitting in the guest
seat is going to be comfortable

958
00:47:50,794 --> 00:47:53,725
with you
because you create
this very warm and welcoming

959
00:47:53,725 --> 00:47:55,435
environment,
and I think it's
fantastic.

960
00:47:55,435 --> 00:47:59,233
It's really, really hard.
My only
encouragement to you

961
00:47:59,233 --> 00:48:03,518
is to try when you listen back
to your
episode, and this is

962
00:48:03,518 --> 00:48:07,029
really hard for a podcaster.
I struggle with
it on the

963
00:48:07,029 --> 00:48:08,934
daily.
It's called question stacking.

964
00:48:08,934 --> 00:48:12,930
You've in the
interview, you
ask the person, you ask the

965
00:48:12,930 --> 00:48:15,414
guests like three
questions at
a time, and when you do that,

966
00:48:15,414 --> 00:48:17,550
they don't know
which one you
want them to answer.

967
00:48:17,550 --> 00:48:21,539
And so, try to just ask
one
question at a time, or maybe a

968
00:48:21,539 --> 00:48:25,130
compounded question where it's

two questions phrased as one,

969
00:48:25,670 --> 00:48:28,430
because if you ask multiple

questions at a time, people just

970
00:48:28,460 --> 00:48:30,798
don't know which one to answer,
and they get confused about

971
00:48:30,798 --> 00:48:33,398
what you ask.
And again, I'm guilty
of this,

972
00:48:33,398 --> 00:48:36,425
and it is hard.
There's so much going on that

973
00:48:36,425 --> 00:48:39,200
just try
to focus on asking
one question at a time.

974
00:48:39,890 --> 00:48:42,970
Marc Ronick: Yeah, actually, I

think I found an example of what

975
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:45,460
you're getting at, Sid.
Let me
play that, and then I

976
00:48:45,460 --> 00:48:46,785
know Ralph, you wanted to
respond.

977
00:48:46,785 --> 00:48:49,480
So
I think this is the clip.
Fingers crossed.

978
00:48:49,780 --> 00:48:52,210
Tide: With you being a a

psychotherapist, I think I'm

979
00:48:52,270 --> 00:48:54,238
just going to go into some

harder questions.

980
00:48:54,238 --> 00:48:56,590
Usually, I kind of throw a
little bit
softer questions at

981
00:48:56,590 --> 00:48:58,325
people because I don't know, you
know,
how they're going to

982
00:48:58,325 --> 00:49:00,412
respond.
But some of the questions that's

983
00:49:00,412 --> 00:49:03,780

coming to mind, and you can
pick whichever one you want to


984
00:49:03,788 --> 00:49:05,670
answer.
Are were you abused?

985
00:49:06,570 --> 00:49:10,607
Were you sexually abused?
Did
you lose someone in your

986
00:49:10,607 --> 00:49:14,046
family, like in death?
Was there drugs
involved in

987
00:49:14,046 --> 00:49:16,617
your family life?
Incest?

988
00:49:16,617 --> 00:49:20,910
Anything like that?
I'm
also thinking of potential

989
00:49:21,420 --> 00:49:25,120
emotional abuse, emotional abuse

in terms of just being put

990
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:28,598
down all the time.
So I don't know
which one of

991
00:49:28,598 --> 00:49:30,645
those questions is resonating
with you the most,
but we

992
00:49:30,645 --> 00:49:32,180
could start with one of those,
perhaps.

993
00:49:32,900 --> 00:49:34,910
Cassie: You know, the one that

stands out the most.

994
00:49:34,910 --> 00:49:38,508
I mean, all of those hit, but
mostly because
I ended up

995
00:49:38,508 --> 00:49:43,117
taking myself to a lot of those
different things,
the thing

996
00:49:43,117 --> 00:49:47,128
that I've realized resonates
more than anything is
the

997
00:49:47,128 --> 00:49:49,550
neglect.
And you know, some of the

998
00:49:49,550 --> 00:49:52,246
leaders in my field will
say
it's not only what happened to

999
00:49:52,246 --> 00:49:55,300
you; it's what didn't happen

to you or for you.

1000
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:58,630
Marc Ronick: So first, I will

also want to just comment real

1001
00:49:58,750 --> 00:50:02,478
quick: the audience.
Of the
guest was not great,

1002
00:50:02,478 --> 00:50:06,335
and I would have just if it were
me, I
probably would have run

1003
00:50:06,335 --> 00:50:09,818
it through AI just to see if I

could have improved it.

1004
00:50:09,818 --> 00:50:14,376
Ofonic, Adobe Podcast, whatever
your
choice is, I would have

1005
00:50:14,376 --> 00:50:17,070
run her audio through there to
improve
it.

1006
00:50:17,070 --> 00:50:20,810
Because look, I know that we
encourage our hosts make sure


1007
00:50:20,818 --> 00:50:23,816
your guests are ready for the
interview.

1008
00:50:23,816 --> 00:50:27,164
Have a microphone,
and if they
don't, make sure they're in a

1009
00:50:27,164 --> 00:50:29,223
quiet space.
And
you know, all those things

1010
00:50:29,223 --> 00:50:32,180
are great, but you can't always
get
that out of a guest.

1011
00:50:32,180 --> 00:50:36,521
That's just the reality of it.
So if that
happens, you either

1012
00:50:36,521 --> 00:50:39,945
don't do the interview, or you
do the
interview and you get a

1013
00:50:39,945 --> 00:50:43,938
little assistance from either AI
or a
podcast editor who knows

1014
00:50:43,938 --> 00:50:47,155
how to improve the audio
quality, or if
you know, you

1015
00:50:47,155 --> 00:50:52,580
take your own measures to do so.
So, what do
we think about how

1016
00:50:52,580 --> 00:50:55,995
that sequence went?
Because on one hand, I
know

1017
00:50:55,995 --> 00:50:59,530
that based on what Sid said, and
I felt the same way
when I

1018
00:50:59,530 --> 00:51:01,980
heard that part.
It was like whoa, especially

1019
00:51:01,980 --> 00:51:04,380
because
these were hard
questions.

1020
00:51:04,380 --> 00:51:07,284
Like these were not simple
softball
questions.

1021
00:51:07,284 --> 00:51:11,475
So throwing them all out at once
felt like a lot to
me.

1022
00:51:11,475 --> 00:51:14,091
And I will say that it did take
a second.

1023
00:51:14,091 --> 00:51:17,592
I feel like for
the guest to
kind of land on something, but

1024
00:51:17,592 --> 00:51:20,682
at the same time,
she got
there relatively quickly.

1025
00:51:20,682 --> 00:51:22,937
So just what are your
guys'
thoughts, Sid?

1026
00:51:22,937 --> 00:51:25,760
Do you want to comment any more
now that
we've played that?

1027
00:51:26,570 --> 00:51:28,190
Sid Meadows: I just think it

happened other places in the

1028
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:31,139
episode too.
But when you asked
that first

1029
00:51:31,139 --> 00:51:34,400
question about abuse, I was
like, "Holy crap, that's a


1030
00:51:34,408 --> 00:51:36,914
deep question.
Yeah, like I was like, "Whoa,

1031
00:51:36,914 --> 00:51:39,718
here we go.
But I
think you could have

1032
00:51:39,718 --> 00:51:42,325
taken that, and I know it's hard
when you
don't have the

1033
00:51:42,325 --> 00:51:44,788
questions scripted, right?
And you're just
asking them,

1034
00:51:44,788 --> 00:51:46,396
and you're having the
conversation.

1035
00:51:46,396 --> 00:51:49,596
You could have
phrased that
into one question, like, "Hey,

1036
00:51:49,596 --> 00:51:52,554
let's pause here for
a second
and think about, you know, what

1037
00:51:52,554 --> 00:51:54,502
do you believe is the
root
cause of this?

1038
00:51:54,502 --> 00:51:57,782
It have to do with neglect or
abuse or
something else or

1039
00:51:57,782 --> 00:51:59,830
some other trauma that happened
in your
life.

1040
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:04,100
Marc Ronick: Yeah, Sid Meadows:
same type of thing,
but one

1041
00:52:04,100 --> 00:52:06,840
question, Marc Ronick: right?
Yeah, and
you've just thrown

1042
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:10,882
out a few examples of what it
could be to
help the guest and

1043
00:52:10,882 --> 00:52:13,869
the audience, for that matter,
get their mind
going in the

1044
00:52:13,869 --> 00:52:15,848
right direction.
I like that advice, Sid.

1045
00:52:15,848 --> 00:52:17,640
Thank
you, BC.
Do you have something?

1046
00:52:17,700 --> 00:52:20,516
I see your hand is up.
BC Babbles: Yeah, I was gonna


1047
00:52:20,524 --> 00:52:22,580
say to to Sid's point, it
started off deep and got


1048
00:52:22,588 --> 00:52:25,100
progressively deeper.
And I do agree with like maybe


1049
00:52:25,108 --> 00:52:29,010
consolidating all those topics
into one question, but I do


1050
00:52:29,018 --> 00:52:33,704
think the range allows the
interviewee to kind of get an


1051
00:52:33,712 --> 00:52:37,562
idea of the depth we can go.
But you don't have to go that

1052
00:52:37,562 --> 00:52:40,370
deep
right away.
Here is where we can kind of

1053
00:52:40,370 --> 00:52:42,012
maneuver into it if you
want
to go that route.

1054
00:52:42,012 --> 00:52:43,909
I like that.
Marc Ronick: Yep.

1055
00:52:43,909 --> 00:52:45,190
Thank you, BC
Ralph.
How about you?

1056
00:52:45,850 --> 00:52:47,620
Ralph Estep Jr.: Yeah, I just

want to comment one thing about

1057
00:52:47,710 --> 00:52:49,930
this, and you had to listen to

the whole episode to pick this

1058
00:52:50,140 --> 00:52:52,190
up.
But even Nikki put it in the


1059
00:52:52,198 --> 00:52:54,106
notes here.
This lady's main takeaways: I'm

1060
00:52:54,106 --> 00:52:56,828
a woman.
You got
to give Nikki a lot of

1061
00:52:56,828 --> 00:52:59,539
credit for keeping this lady on
straight and narrow because

1062
00:52:59,539 --> 00:53:03,386
this lady was all over the
place, and
I honestly, when I

1063
00:53:03,386 --> 00:53:06,135
was listening to this, I'm like,
"Where is
this lady going

1064
00:53:06,135 --> 00:53:07,570
next?
I didn't know where.

1065
00:53:07,570 --> 00:53:11,910
And so, Nikki, you
get a lot
of credit for taking a woman who

1066
00:53:11,910 --> 00:53:15,282
was talking about
stuff in 17
different directions and reining

1067
00:53:15,282 --> 00:53:17,742
it in.
I give you a
A plus for that

1068
00:53:17,742 --> 00:53:20,103
because I didn't know how you
were going to do it
because

1069
00:53:20,103 --> 00:53:22,375
there were things that she was
saying that sounded like
some

1070
00:53:22,375 --> 00:53:25,315
of the zaniest stuff I've ever
heard in my days, and Nikki


1071
00:53:25,323 --> 00:53:28,448
just had a calming way of
bringing it back to okay, let's

1072
00:53:28,448 --> 00:53:30,833
talk about this.
And like I said, if she would

1073
00:53:30,833 --> 00:53:33,269
have slowed
down a little bit,
I think that would have landed

1074
00:53:33,269 --> 00:53:34,907
more.
But
Nikki, great job on

1075
00:53:34,907 --> 00:53:36,924
bringing this lady who is-and
I'm not
trying to be

1076
00:53:36,924 --> 00:53:38,960
disrespectful to this lady, but
she was all over
the place.

1077
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:41,392
Marc Ronick: Yeah, that is a

great point, Ralph.

1078
00:53:41,392 --> 00:53:44,680
And a sign of a great host is
somebody who
can really keep

1079
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:47,398
reining it in.
Because let's face it, we've all

1080
00:53:47,398 --> 00:53:50,029

had guests that talk in all
sorts of directions.

1081
00:53:50,029 --> 00:53:53,371
I feel like
I was one of those
guests myself yesterday when I

1082
00:53:53,371 --> 00:53:55,033
did a live with
Heather
Parody.

1083
00:53:55,033 --> 00:53:58,914
My mind was all over the place,
and she did also
a great job

1084
00:53:58,914 --> 00:54:03,162
of kind of reining it back in.
That is a a great
quality to

1085
00:54:03,162 --> 00:54:05,670
have, Nikki.
Okay, so listen before we wrap

1086
00:54:05,670 --> 00:54:07,470
up.
I'm
going to give my

1087
00:54:07,470 --> 00:54:10,415
takeaways, but and then I also
want to share my
announcement.

1088
00:54:10,415 --> 00:54:12,564
But I want to give Nikki a
moment.

1089
00:54:12,564 --> 00:54:15,330
Nikki, do you
want to share
anything with us?

1090
00:54:15,450 --> 00:54:19,110
Your thoughts, your feelings

after this breakdown of your

1091
00:54:19,170 --> 00:54:21,974
podcast?
Tide: I just want to say thank


1092
00:54:21,982 --> 00:54:25,817
you guys so much.
You all are so easy to learn

1093
00:54:25,817 --> 00:54:27,908
from.
You make my
heart sing.

1094
00:54:27,908 --> 00:54:31,975
You make me feel like I can
really improve this
podcast

1095
00:54:31,975 --> 00:54:35,245
and take it to another level.
You give me actionable


1096
00:54:35,253 --> 00:54:39,830
feedback that I'm going to take
today, and it's so specific to


1097
00:54:39,838 --> 00:54:44,600
exactly what I do, that it's not
generalized feedback, and I just

1098
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:48,100

appreciate the level of care
and respect that you guys show

1099
00:54:48,100 --> 00:54:50,290
when
you do these podcast
evaluations.

1100
00:54:50,740 --> 00:54:53,560
Marc Ronick: Thank you, Nikki.

Appreciate that that feedback as

1101
00:54:53,710 --> 00:54:57,310
well, and we love having you a

part of this community, and we

1102
00:54:57,430 --> 00:54:59,240
appreciate you throwing your

hat.

1103
00:54:59,240 --> 00:55:02,955
In the ring, because we know
that for some people it can
be

1104
00:55:02,955 --> 00:55:05,570
a little nerve-wracking to do
that, but we really appreciate


1105
00:55:05,578 --> 00:55:09,238
that you did.
And I think that just to wrap it

1106
00:55:09,238 --> 00:55:11,914
up here, Nikki's
greatest
strengths, based on everything

1107
00:55:11,914 --> 00:55:15,758
we've talked about
today, are
her empathy, her curiosity, and

1108
00:55:15,758 --> 00:55:20,668
ability to
recognize the
emotional meeting underneath a

1109
00:55:20,668 --> 00:55:24,021
guest's words.
She
created enough trust for

1110
00:55:24,021 --> 00:55:29,600
Cassie to discuss difficult

experiences, and the distinction

1111
00:55:29,660 --> 00:55:33,020
between knowing you were wanted
and feeling wanted gives the

1112
00:55:33,140 --> 00:55:36,812
episode a memorable takeaway.
I
think, like we've talked

1113
00:55:36,812 --> 00:55:40,687
about, the main opportunities
here are
pacing, more focused

1114
00:55:40,687 --> 00:55:44,604
questions, and maybe some of the
audio
quality as far as the

1115
00:55:44,604 --> 00:55:47,005
guest goes.
Nikki, your audio quality


1116
00:55:47,013 --> 00:55:50,329
sounded great to me.
Slowing down the scripted

1117
00:55:50,329 --> 00:55:52,807
narration
would strengthen
Nikki's connection with the

1118
00:55:52,807 --> 00:55:54,760
listeners.

Asking one question at a time

1119
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:58,626
could create deeper and easier

to follow responses.

1120
00:55:58,626 --> 00:56:02,223
And like I said that editing,
just running
it through some

1121
00:56:02,223 --> 00:56:05,294
AI, I think would go a long way.
So thank
you again.

1122
00:56:05,294 --> 00:56:08,766
That is the gentle year.
We will include a link to
the

1123
00:56:08,766 --> 00:56:13,014
episode if you want to go hear
that and support a fellow


1124
00:56:13,022 --> 00:56:16,242
community member.
And yeah, again, thank you,

1125
00:56:16,242 --> 00:56:17,601
Nikki.

Appreciate you.

1126
00:56:17,601 --> 00:56:20,974
Okay, so I didn't play my
whoosh, but
that's okay.

1127
00:56:20,974 --> 00:56:25,226
I wanted to, before we wrap up,
I want to share a
personal

1128
00:56:25,226 --> 00:56:28,658
update about the future of the
podcasting morning show.


1129
00:56:28,666 --> 00:56:33,170
I've decided to put the regular
morning shows on pause through


1130
00:56:33,178 --> 00:56:38,552
the end of August, and I want to
be transparent about why.


1131
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:43,174
Lately, I've been feeling
overwhelmed again and dealing


1132
00:56:43,182 --> 00:56:48,040
with a lot of anxiety.
I'm trying to juggle ironic

1133
00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:50,740
media.

I'm trying to juggle empowered

1134
00:56:50,830 --> 00:56:55,630
podcasting, this show, and

everything else happening in my

1135
00:56:55,900 --> 00:56:58,630
personal life.
I can feel myself
getting

1136
00:56:58,630 --> 00:57:00,664
dangerously close to burning
out.

1137
00:57:00,664 --> 00:57:06,399
And yesterday was
one of those
days, and I need to listen to my

1138
00:57:06,399 --> 00:57:09,658
mind and my body
and what
they're telling me.

1139
00:57:09,658 --> 00:57:15,270
So this show and this community
means so much to me, which made

1140
00:57:15,750 --> 00:57:17,700
this a really difficult

decision.

1141
00:57:17,700 --> 00:57:21,890
Yes, I know, based on what I
shared, this happened.


1142
00:57:21,898 --> 00:57:25,155
the The almost breakdown
happened yesterday, and here I


1143
00:57:25,163 --> 00:57:26,823
am making the announcement
today.

1144
00:57:26,823 --> 00:57:31,148
But I promise you, it was
a
very difficult decision.

1145
00:57:31,148 --> 00:57:35,360
I also know that pausing is the
healthiest decision that I can

1146
00:57:35,390 --> 00:57:38,570
make for myself right now.
We
won't be disappearing

1147
00:57:38,660 --> 00:57:41,294
completely.
We'll continue
recording

1148
00:57:41,294 --> 00:57:44,950
empowered podcasting live every
Wednesday at 1p.m.


1149
00:57:44,958 --> 00:57:48,463
Eastern, and then those episodes
will be released.

1150
00:57:48,463 --> 00:57:52,057
My my target
is to release
them Thursday afternoons.

1151
00:57:52,057 --> 00:57:56,500
That means you'll
still
receive at least one new episode

1152
00:57:56,500 --> 00:58:01,150
every week, and I'm
incredibly
grateful to everyone who shows

1153
00:58:01,150 --> 00:58:05,604
up here, whether you
join us
live, listen to the podcast, or

1154
00:58:05,604 --> 00:58:10,794
participate in this
community
in other ways, so thank you for

1155
00:58:10,794 --> 00:58:14,895
understanding, for
giving me
the space to take care of

1156
00:58:14,895 --> 00:58:18,135
myself.
I appreciate all of
you, and I

1157
00:58:18,135 --> 00:58:21,574
look forward to staying
connected through
Empowered

1158
00:58:21,574 --> 00:58:25,273
Podcasting Live, through social
media, and of
course through

1159
00:58:25,273 --> 00:58:28,970
Empowered Podcasting, the
conference
coming august 21

1160
00:58:28,970 --> 00:58:32,075
through the 23rd in Charlotte,
North
Carolina.

1161
00:58:32,075 --> 00:58:36,550
So, if you have any questions or
thoughts and want
to chat

1162
00:58:36,550 --> 00:58:42,250
about it, you can email me at
mark m
arc@ironicmedia.com.

1163
00:58:42,250 --> 00:58:47,200
Ironic is spelled with C K at
the end, or
you can just go to

1164
00:58:47,290 --> 00:58:48,059
podcastingmorningshow.com/contact.



1165
00:58:48,067 --> 00:58:56,512
So I was just going to close,
but I Gabe, I saw you came up on

1166
00:58:56,512 --> 00:58:58,861

stage.
So I when people come up on

1167
00:58:58,861 --> 00:59:00,670
stage, I like to give them a

minute anyway.

1168
00:59:00,670 --> 00:59:03,438
So I'm going to do that.
I'm going to break what
I said

1169
00:59:03,438 --> 00:59:06,317
I was going to do and give you
the mic real quick,
Gabe.

1170
00:59:06,317 --> 00:59:08,640
Go for it.
Did you want to comment at all?

1171
00:59:10,020 --> 00:59:12,595
Gabe: Yeah.
Hey, hats off to
you.

1172
00:59:12,595 --> 00:59:16,066
I'm kind of finding myself in
this same spot.

1173
00:59:16,066 --> 00:59:20,090
So you being
able to be
courageous enough to share all

1174
00:59:20,090 --> 00:59:22,675
of this with us.
I
just want to say thank you

1175
00:59:22,675 --> 00:59:24,658
for the honesty and
vulnerability
and everything

1176
00:59:24,658 --> 00:59:27,836
that you're putting out there
because it is
a lot, and I

1177
00:59:27,836 --> 00:59:29,462
understand what you're going
through.

1178
00:59:29,462 --> 00:59:32,642
I'm
visiting these same
feelings and thoughts myself, so

1179
00:59:32,642 --> 00:59:34,586
thank you
for sharing that,
Mark.

1180
00:59:34,586 --> 00:59:37,840
It really does help because
we're
not alone in all of

1181
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:39,490
this.
That's all I really wanted to

1182
00:59:39,490 --> 00:59:41,737
say.
Marc Ronick: Thank you, Gabe.

1183
00:59:41,737 --> 00:59:45,218
I
appreciate that a lot.
And yeah, I thought later time,

1184
00:59:45,218 --> 00:59:48,520
eight a.m.

I thought three days a week for

1185
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:52,150
the summer would be enough for

me to handle, but it's just not.

1186
00:59:52,930 --> 00:59:57,910
I am just overwhelmed, and I'm

neglecting so many different

1187
00:59:57,970 --> 01:00:01,950
things from myself to my.

Business, thankfully, empowered

1188
01:00:02,010 --> 01:00:04,258
podcasting.
I would say that has
not been

1189
01:00:04,258 --> 01:00:06,992
neglected, and we've got a team,
so it doesn't get
neglected.

1190
01:00:06,992 --> 01:00:11,754
But I'll tell you, Moronic Media
has suffered
because I am just

1191
01:00:11,754 --> 01:00:14,628
overwhelmed.
So, yeah, Gabe, if this is if


1192
01:00:14,636 --> 01:00:18,860
this is your sign, or if this is
giving you the permission, by


1193
01:00:18,868 --> 01:00:22,739
all means, take that.
We preach a lot about

1194
01:00:22,739 --> 01:00:27,302
consistency and how
important
that is, but not at the expense

1195
01:00:27,302 --> 01:00:29,650
of yourself.
And
that's what I'm taking

1196
01:00:29,650 --> 01:00:34,316
away from this: is that yeah,
I've been
fricking consistent.

1197
01:00:34,316 --> 01:00:39,185
It has been years doing this
show every
single day, and

1198
01:00:39,185 --> 01:00:42,696
maybe a revised schedule like
we've had three
days a week,

1199
01:00:42,696 --> 01:00:46,556
but regardless, I have been
committed and
consistent, and

1200
01:00:46,556 --> 01:00:49,932
I'm struggling, so I got to take
a pause.

1201
01:00:49,932 --> 01:00:53,854
So
thank you guys, and again,
feel free to reach out if you

1202
01:00:53,854 --> 01:00:55,648
have
any questions, thoughts,
concerns.

1203
01:00:55,648 --> 01:00:59,482
Happy to hear it, but
that's
going to be the decision for

1204
01:00:59,482 --> 01:01:04,227
now, and we will be back at

the end of August.

1205
01:01:04,227 --> 01:01:07,698
So, until the Empowered
Podcasting Conference
starting

1206
01:01:07,698 --> 01:01:11,772
august 21, make it a great
August, everybody.

1207
01:01:11,772 --> 01:01:12,720
Take
care.