517. How to Make a Podcast Co-Host Relationship Work

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Marc Ronick: Good morning

podcasters.

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Today is Thursday May the 14th,
2026 and today
we're talking

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co host chemistry with community
member John
Jamingo, exploring

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what makes a podcast partnership
really work
when

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personalities, opinions,
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I am your
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and currently on stage with me,
we have BC
babbles, Ralph

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Estep Sid meadows, DR Fay and
our guest
who I mentioned

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earlier, John Jamingo.
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Okay, so today we're talking

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about one of the
most
important relationships in

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podcasting, the co host

relationship.

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This is something certainly near
and dear to my
heart, and

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because look, a great co host
can make a show more
fun, more

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consistent, more dynamic, it can
make it a little
easier on

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you, as well as the other co
host.

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But when that
relationship is
unclear or unhealthy, it can

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create tension
both on the air
and behind the scenes.

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So as I said, helping us
today
with this conversation is one of

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our newer community
members,
John jamango, and since Ralph,

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you coordinated this one,
I'm
going to hand it off to you to

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share a little more about
John
and officially introduce him in

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today.
Oh, Ralph Estep Jr: absolutely

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good
morning.
Everybody joining us this

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morning is John Jamingo.

Now, John host with a co host,

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and he told me before we got

started, he's had a number of CO

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hosts over the years.
He might
get into how many

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that is, yeah, but we're going
to dig into some
great

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moments, the challenges and the
best ways to manage
those

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relationships and listen.
We also want this to be a room


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discussion.
So as we go, I'm gonna encourage

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everybody to
jump in with
things that have worked for you,

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things that have
not worked,
and those best practices you've

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learned from
sharing the mic
with someone else.

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I think this is going to
be a
real engaging conversation here

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today.
So John, welcome to
the show.

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John Jamingo: Thank you.
I like
I said, I was trying to

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count how many co hosts I have.
I
don't I know it's over 10 at

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one time.
There was seven in one
show,

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kind of like this show.
So here's the thing, when you

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have
a good co host, hang on
with both hands, because when

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you
lose one, it's it is tough
to find one to replace them.

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Marc Ronick: John, I think,

actually, Ralph, I think we have

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a few of those co hosts in our

YouTube chat currently.

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Yes, I mean, I'm guessing based
on what
they're saying, but we

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have one person is this, can you
see the
chat there?

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John, John Jamingo: I can't see
the
chat.

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I'm sorry.
I'm in the back of Marc Ronick:

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No, that's okay.

But I think one of them is

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weathered soul.
BC Babbles: That is John

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Jamingo: Bruce, Marc Ronick:
okay, so I was
right, okay,

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and the other one's Boomer Bob.
John Jamingo: Bob is one.

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Yes,
he's Marc Ronick: okay.
John Jamingo: He'll be talked


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about a lot today.
Marc Ronick: Okay?

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And a few
others haven't
identified themselves yet, but

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it sounds
like yes, your co
hosts are following you around,

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John, so
be careful.
No.

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John Jamingo: Oh, they know me.
Marc Ronick: All right.

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Sorry,
Ralph.
Go ahead, Ralph Estep Jr: John.

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I want to
get right into it.
So tell us about your current co

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host
setup, and what makes
that relationship work.

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I listened to
your show.
Her name is, I think it's Kate.

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You guys refer to her
as the
Duchess.

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It seems like you guys have good
chemistry,
but I have to be

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honest with you, it is
entertaining
sometimes the way

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you guys go back and forth at
each other,
but I just wanted

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you to start with what does that
look like
and what makes that

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relationship work John Jamingo:
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So the funny
thing about that
was the way that I met Kate was

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through a co
host meltdown,
which is where I got into it.

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And I had a in five
minutes
into the show, I had a huge

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meltdown, and quit the
show,
and then that clip, because

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you're recording it, and
you
forget that it is recorded that

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was played on a couple of

other podcasts, and it just

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spread like wildfire.
And at
first I was very

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embarrassed by that, but I
realized it was one
of the

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best things that could have
happened after I got over


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myself and went back and
listened to it as a listener, we

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D.R.
Fay: need to get that clip.


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What?
Marc Ronick: Yeah, we D.R.

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Fay: left out, Marc Ronick: or
at least
understand if it's

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appropriate, what the meltdown
was about.

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John Jamingo: The Meltdown is

how annual retentive I am about

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podcasting and how I really want

to make it a good show.

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And these clowns, I will call
them
clowns, friendly clowns

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were there just to drive me
crazy,
and it worked, and I

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finally quit, and you couldn't
play the
clip on this show.

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It would just be one solid beep.
Play that on
here.

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I quit, and it went viral, and
that's how I met Kate,
because

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Kate was listening to this on
another show.

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She
doesn't live that far away
from me.

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Rage Quit.
Heard around the
world.

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Yes, Bob, yeah.
He was part of it.

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Marc Ronick: We're displaying

some things that are happening

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in the chat on the video.
Yeah.

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John Jamingo: So I was Kate had
started listening to me, and

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Bob couldn't be there one day,
and
she said, Well, I'll just

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come to your house and I'll co
host
with you.

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And I said, Don't threaten me
with a good time.


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Come on down.
And we had a very good chemistry

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back and forth.

So I had an extra microphone,

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and a microphone said, I sent

her home with it.

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I said, Here go home with this,
and let's see
what happens.

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And she didn't that was the
first time she's
really

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podcast before, and she's done a
great job, and she's into
it,

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and she puts up with me.
She puts up with all my nonsense

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and
all my changes Marc
Ronick: Fair enough.

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And by
the way, a good morning
to Jonathan Howard, who has

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joined
us on stage as well.
So with that, Ralph, do you want

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to do
you have another
question?

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Ralph Estep Jr: Or you want me?


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I do.
I do.

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John, so have you always done
shows with a co
host?

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Have you ever done anything
solo?

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And what made you
decide, hey,
I definitely want to be in a co

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host type
relationship.
John Jamingo: The way I got into

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podcasting was I just left a
career, and I didn't know what I

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was going to do, and I saw
this thing on my phone and said,

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podcast, what is this?
And I was going to for radio,

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TV, film,
and then got into
the elevator business for 24

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years, and that
ended.
And then so I said, let me just

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try this.
And that's how
it started.

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And so I started first solo.
And then the reason
I started

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doing this is because when I was
in college radio, I
had a

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friend, and we used to sit
around and we would talk back


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and forth, as every podcast
does, says, Oh, this should be a

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podcast.
And it took me three years to

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get him to say yes to
do the
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So then we started that in 2016
it was
called The Brand X

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podcast.
It still goes on.

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It's once a
month.
We come down.

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He comes here.
We go in the studio.

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We
have a bar, we drink, we
eat lunch, we day drink and eat

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lunch and do a show.
That's when I started basically

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with a co
host.
But I have done solo shows, and

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I like the co host
show
better, because you can bounce

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off people.
You can see
when things are

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working and when things aren't
Marc Ronick: working, fair


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enough, and then, you know,
that's actually a good lead into

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my next question, as far as
understanding things when


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they're working when they're not
working.

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Was there a moment that
you
realized that Kate and you

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actually worked well together on

air, or was it more of just

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like a long stretch where you
just
started to notice over

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time?
John Jamingo: It was the first


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time that she was here, and I
said, she's got what it takes to

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be a podcast co host.
She doesn't know anything about

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it,
but she knows how to talk.
Marc Ronick: I was, yeah, I was

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gonna ask, How do you know that
that makes her?

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What makes her a
good co host?
John Jamingo: She Well, first of

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all, she has a very bubbly
personality.

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She has a great
voice.
And we would go back and forth,

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and I would throw things
at
her, and she wouldn't, it

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wouldn't phase her.
So I'll
throw things at her.

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And a lot of times people would
shy away
from it, but she digs

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right in and does not shy away
from it.

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Marc Ronick: Yeah.
And I see one
of your former

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co hosts says she's also much
better looking
than you.

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John Jamingo: Yes, Bruce, we

know.

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Marc Ronick: Go ahead, Ralph.
Ralph Estep Jr: Yeah.

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And the
truth.
Is, I mean, she just holds it

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with you with no
problem,
she's able to give it back to

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you right away.
But what
do you think is the

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biggest ingredient of that
strong co
host relationship,

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John, what do you think are the
key factors
that make it so

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strong?
John Jamingo: I think we


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understand each other.
Being from New Jersey.

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This is this
area of New York,
Philadelphia, this area here,

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it's a different
kind of
person.

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When I go out into the country
somewhere else,
i The people

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are so nice.
I feel people from this area, we

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feel
like they're trying to
sell us something like a

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timeshare.
So
just her being the same in

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the same area and having the
same
attitude that we call it

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the jersey attitude, I think
that
does help, Marc Ronick:

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yeah?
And I'm
thinking, Yeah, I even

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coming from the mid Atlantic
area,
where I was raised, when

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when I moved here to North
Carolina.


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Yeah, it's still hard for me.
I've been here almost four


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years.
It's still hard for me to get

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used to how friendly
everyone
is here.

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Yeah, I don't quite go as far as
thinking
they're trying to

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sell me something, but it does
always
catch me off guard how

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friendly everyone is.
John, Ralph Estep Jr: do you

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think you
have to be a close
friend with somebody to really

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be strong?
I
know we did an evaluation

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posted about this today, and she
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when it's your husband.
But do you see
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part of that chemistry too,
becoming a good
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most important thing is having
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of the issues I had with
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audience.
I'm here to entertain
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see, and in my mind was people
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listening to?
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so, you know, I love Bob like a
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clip of me losing my mind where
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what are we doing here?
What do we, you know?

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to know what the audience wants.
I guess I could
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fight for an hour every time
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show
is about.
It's, I guess it's like a nugget

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that once in a
while it's fun
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fighting.
Marc Ronick: Yeah?

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BC I think
you have something
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BC Babbles: Yeah.
Good morning
everyone.

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So I'm curious, John, across
your podcasting career
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having co hosts over time, have
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where you were consistency was
hard to maintain, that having co

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hosts and other people
involved to kind of carry the

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quote,
unquote onus of having
a show?

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Did that help you maintain

consistency?

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people involved who
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make this thing happen, and if
so, do you find that
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involving co hosts purposefully
could be the
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someone who otherwise has
consistency issues
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to have someone that has the
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especially if you're going to
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We live stream
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We have to be there.

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that also, you have to know when

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I had one co host who was my

cousin and another person, and

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they were just not very good co
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And I think I tried it for like,
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and then I'm like, Okay, this
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This isn't
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Let's pull the plug on this is,

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you know, this is a
waste of
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But again, if you're, if you

keep the audience first, and you

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realize that you wouldn't listen

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why even keep continuing?
You're
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Babbles: time, right?
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attest to that.
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to know when
it's time, and it
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And I've shared a little
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mark and Lowell show, my co

host was also my best friend,

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and continued that friendship

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into well into adulthood and

still friends today.

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completely transparent.
And it faded around
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pandemic.
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me
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right?
I don't think I was
connecting

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enough with it at the time, but
it's not a knock on
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either.
I'm sure he would come at me

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him, because that was
the way
we developed our chemistry, our

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I was the producer.
I
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time, it really started to burn
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I needed.
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And that just wasn't his,
his
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His strength was showing
up
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the mic, right, like that, he

made the show a lot funnier.

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recognize that, you know
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this isn't working anymore.
And instead, I just
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I I still
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listened to that show that are

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reaching out,
like, where did
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When is it coming back?
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can be a problem if
you can't stop, identify where

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the problem
is and actually do
something about it that can

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really cause
you, as a podcast
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John Jamingo: I had that with a
friend of mine, where I was the

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problem.
So in other words, I
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let's do video.
Okay, let's set up a studio.

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Let's do
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And he said to me, you know,

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several times, I don't
want to
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I really don't.
I'm like, Oh no, no, it's


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fine.
It'll be great.

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And then he one time, he just
said, I've
had enough.

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And it was four years we didn't
do a show for
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together.
And then one time, we were just

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out
having lunch, and he goes,
Why don't we just bring the show

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back and we'll do it, like
once a month?

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And I'm like, okay,
yeah,
let's do that.

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Okay, it's the been the best
thing.

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So if I
would, if I would, if
I were you, I'd reach out to

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that co
host and see if he can
make it once a month or

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something like
that.
Just to get I say it's a an ex,

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again, I'm lying.
I say
it's an excuse to get

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together, have lunch, have a few
drinks.


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But I really, really love
podcasting with him.

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It is.

Sorry.

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Kate is my favorite.
Jonathan Howard: Yeah, Kate's

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Marc Ronick: here now, by the

way, YouTube chat, John Jamingo:

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it is my favorite
show to do,
and Boomer bunker is a close

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second.
It is a love of
mine.

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I'm not gonna lie.
It's something that I've always

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wanted to do.
I do it for fun.

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It's certainly not for the

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Marc Ronick: Boomer bunker.com

right?

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By the way, yes and yeah, go
check that out.

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We've been
sharing the link
here on clubhouse, but we

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haven't
actually said it out
loud.

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So Boomer bunker.com, and, dr, I

think you have a question.

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John Jamingo: She locked up.
Marc Ronick: Oh, she locked up.

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Yeah, all right, so we'll come

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back to you.
Dr, in just a
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Ralph Estep Jr: I was gonna jump

in and say something before,

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and this is the thing that like
Mark
and I've had to work

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through this.
I mark and I have had a
lot of

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really, I want to say tense
conversations, but
probably

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seemed a little tense, Marc
Ronick: and Ralph Estep Jr:

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we've had to
work out, I call
it kind of like a marriage,

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almost.
We've had to
learn how to talk

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to each other.
We've had to learn how to not


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text some days, because you
can't see the facial expressions

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through text.
And we've had some we've had

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some tough times, I
would say,
Mark.

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But the cool thing is, we always
come back to
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respect, and we come back to a
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communicate and work through
this.

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I didn't mean to jump in
front
of you.

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Dr, like, I just think it's
important that you
got to

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maintain the lines of
communication.

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And you when
something's
bothering, you got to come out

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and say it.
But
also, don't just come out

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and say it.
I've learned this the
hard way

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think about the right time to
come out and say it and
do it

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in the right way, because that
has been a little bit of a


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stumble with Mark.
And I do, if I'm being totally

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honest, Marc Ronick: okay, we're
gonna
go to Dr and, by the

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way, yes, I am totally with you,
Ralph.

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And
we have, we have had some
tense moments, and I think a lot

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of
that more had to do with
the early stages of a

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partnership,
right?
Like, I think you have to some

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if it's not somebody you
grew
up with, like I did my last

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show, if it's somebody brand new

to you, there's some there's

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going to be some tension, I

think, in a lot of cases, and I

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think it's just a matter of how
you handle those 10 situations,

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if that's going to really show

whether or not this relationship

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is going to work between the two

co hosts.

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And okay, so, dr, I'm coming to
you, but first I just
want to

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shout out.
Sid, I see you.

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Sid, we're going to come to

you right after.

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Dr, go ahead.
Dr, D.R.

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Fay: so John is on the
inside
the production side of

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podcasting, yes, but for most of

the list listeners, they are

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not on the inside.
And Gordon
firemark has what

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he calls a prenup for CO hosts.
And I think
it's such a good

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idea.
Marc Ronick: Yeah, it's funny,


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because Jonathan in the chat
said it's like a marriage co


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hosts, yeah, D.R.
Fay: and Gordon, firemark


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brings up some really, really
good questions, like, who's


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going to carry the weight of the
show.

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What if someone can't make
it
and what if it splits up?

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What about monetization?
What I
mean, he brings up some

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really, really good questions.
And so
that prenup is great.

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But the problem is, most people
approach
the whole co host

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thing as I hate my best friend
or a friend
of mine, just like

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you did, Martin, and it's hard
to bring
up that whole prenup.

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Let's get that, get a contract
going
between us.

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So that's my job as a producer.
I'm the one that
brings it up

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for the two of you.
I'm the one you know I carry


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that.
Hmm, I don't know.

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I carry that heavy load of
bringing up
the stuff that you

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don't want to talk about, but
it's important.

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Marc Ronick: That's a really

great point.

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Dr, it's another advantage to
hiring a producer
or somebody

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to work with you and your team,
so yeah, to kind of
be the bad

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guy when needed, right?
So that this way, yeah,
the

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two co hosts can kind of have
you to to attack.

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Ralph Estep Jr: VR, is the

heavy?

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Marc Ronick: Yes, that's right,
you're the heavy.

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All right, let's go to Sid.
Take it away.


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Sid, good morning.
Yeah, Sid Meadows: good morning,

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everybody.
So I'm actually have a friend

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that I'm working on a

partnership with, or a project

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with.
Let's call it.

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We're going
to do some live
event podcasting.

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We submitted our we
are
submitting our first proposal to

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an events company on
Friday
for live event podcasting, and

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we've been
talking about how
we could take the synergies that

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exist between
the two of us,
because our audiences are

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similar but
different.
He has one side of the industry,

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I have another
side of the
industry, and we could both

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benefit from
crossovers we've
been talking about, you know,

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what can we do?

Maybe we do a short series

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podcast or something to that

effect, right?

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So my question is, you know,
when you're
looking at getting

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into a co host relationship,
what would
you say, John, are

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like three key things that the
CO hosts,
who are friends but

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have never worked together like
this,
should focus on to build

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a relationship, slash build
their
chemistry together.

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John Jamingo: Who's going to do
what, and who's going to run

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the show, who's going to take
point,
who's going to be the

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backup.
I worked with Jeff Brown with a

429
00:21:34,724 --> 00:21:36,653
through a project called TV
time.

430
00:21:36,653 --> 00:21:39,768
He taught me so much in
just a
short time, because he used to

431
00:21:39,768 --> 00:21:43,240
do morning Christian
morning
radio in the Midwest, and we

432
00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:45,220
would be together, and he

would always like he had hand

433
00:21:45,220 --> 00:21:47,950
signals so that he would use, I
don't know why we don't use

434
00:21:47,950 --> 00:21:49,776
hand signals so people know when

they're gonna mark.

435
00:21:49,776 --> 00:21:51,340
You.
Do a fantastic job of telling

436
00:21:51,340 --> 00:21:53,020
people,
Hey, I'm gonna come to
you.

437
00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:54,415
You're next this.
Marc Ronick: Thanks.

438
00:21:54,415 --> 00:21:56,140
Yeah.
John Jamingo: So you do a


439
00:21:56,148 --> 00:21:58,696
fantastic job of that.
And then who's gonna do the

440
00:21:58,696 --> 00:22:00,100
editing?

Who's gonna get the topics?

441
00:22:00,100 --> 00:22:02,844
Who's gonna that's the most

important thing.

442
00:22:02,844 --> 00:22:08,340
And also you can't be afraid to
have the hard
conversations

443
00:22:08,340 --> 00:22:12,868
when something doesn't go right.
And then
sometimes you have to

444
00:22:12,868 --> 00:22:15,702
say, I really wanna do this.
And your
co host says it's a

445
00:22:15,702 --> 00:22:17,710
deal breaker for me, and then
you just say,
No, you just

446
00:22:17,710 --> 00:22:19,691
gotta go, okay.
And you have to respect them and

447
00:22:19,691 --> 00:22:22,340
not
do it.
That to me, I think is one of

448
00:22:22,340 --> 00:22:25,040
the best ways to handle a

relationship, co host

449
00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:27,440
relationship like that, Marc
Ronick: fair enough.

450
00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:29,942
And
I'm curious, John, what?
What do you think?

451
00:22:29,942 --> 00:22:35,220
What does a good co
host do
that the listeners may not ever

452
00:22:35,220 --> 00:22:37,700
notice?
John Jamingo: They bail you out

453
00:22:37,700 --> 00:22:40,192
when you're in trouble.
So if you're doing something and

454
00:22:40,192 --> 00:22:43,395
you
need to find something, or
you're trying to set up the next

455
00:22:43,395 --> 00:22:45,995

topic, or next segment you're
going to do, and you're looking

456
00:22:45,995 --> 00:22:48,090
away, they can say, okay,
they're not paying attention to

457
00:22:48,090 --> 00:22:49,640
me.
So now it's my time to shine.

458
00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:52,060
I got to get in there and

start talking, because there's

459
00:22:52,060 --> 00:22:54,286
nothing that I hate worse than

dead air.

460
00:22:54,286 --> 00:22:56,840
If someone stops talking and
they're all staring
at me, I

461
00:22:56,840 --> 00:23:00,132
just fill up with anxiety, and
then I freak out,
like, Why

462
00:23:00,132 --> 00:23:02,540
isn't anybody talking.
Somebody talk, someone say


463
00:23:02,548 --> 00:23:07,320
something, anything.
Marc Ronick: All right.

464
00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:10,812
Ralph,
you got something Ralph
Estep Jr: I do here we go
to

465
00:23:10,812 --> 00:23:13,500
pivot a little bit, and that is,
we talked a little about


466
00:23:13,508 --> 00:23:14,780
chemistry.
We talked about structure.

467
00:23:14,780 --> 00:23:18,906
But John, how have
you found a
way to make that work with the

468
00:23:18,906 --> 00:23:21,348
co host, like, Do
you have a
planning meeting every week.

469
00:23:21,348 --> 00:23:25,376
Do you do stuff to
set up a
clear delineation of what that

470
00:23:25,376 --> 00:23:26,816
looks like?
Do you
divide

471
00:23:26,816 --> 00:23:27,947
responsibilities?
Is that formal?

472
00:23:27,947 --> 00:23:29,548
Is that something you've

worked through?

473
00:23:29,548 --> 00:23:31,415
Because I actually think that's
really
important.

474
00:23:31,415 --> 00:23:34,416
I think it's very important for
everybody to
understand their

475
00:23:34,416 --> 00:23:35,996
role and understand what they're
doing.


476
00:23:36,004 --> 00:23:38,200
John, but what has worked for
you in that regard?

477
00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:40,460
Or you're
just a control
freak, so you handle it all.

478
00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:41,654
John Jamingo: I am a control

freak.

479
00:23:41,654 --> 00:23:44,455
Let's get that right out there.
I have to have my hands
on

480
00:23:44,455 --> 00:23:47,125
everything.
So with the brand X, I do

481
00:23:47,125 --> 00:23:49,612
everything, and Deuce
brings
the bourbon.

482
00:23:49,612 --> 00:23:53,440
So that's how we do that.
On the Brand X
podcast, Kate

483
00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:56,232
does the socials.
We have a note, we use no joy,


484
00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:59,772
and then we I have a note out
there that we both can look at.

485
00:23:59,772 --> 00:24:01,440

And then she throws in stories

486
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:03,560
and and it's also, it's a work

in progress.

487
00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:05,730
We'll find out some way of doing
something better.


488
00:24:05,738 --> 00:24:08,013
And then I'll say, hey, why
don't we do this?

489
00:24:08,013 --> 00:24:10,920
And then
she'll say, I can't.
Or, if you know we can, or

490
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:13,716
she'll bring up
something, and
then we'll go through it.

491
00:24:13,716 --> 00:24:15,624
But I think
communication is
key.

492
00:24:15,624 --> 00:24:18,240
You can't be afraid to say
something like,
oh, they'll be

493
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:20,424
really upset if, if I mentioned
this.

494
00:24:20,424 --> 00:24:22,905
So we'll do
this.
So I think that's it.

495
00:24:22,905 --> 00:24:26,840
To be honest with you, on both

shows I do most, I do the heavy

496
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:28,478
lifting.
I'm retired, so I'm
looking

497
00:24:28,478 --> 00:24:31,394
for something to do.
So they put in the story links,

498
00:24:31,394 --> 00:24:33,650
and
then I go get them, and
then, you know, where are we

499
00:24:33,650 --> 00:24:35,540
going to
put them?
And then once we do the show, I

500
00:24:35,540 --> 00:24:38,144
do all the post
production and
stuff like that, which I want to

501
00:24:38,144 --> 00:24:40,399
do.
Ralph Estep Jr: So John, do you

502
00:24:40,399 --> 00:24:42,286
think that it's really
important that someone is the

503
00:24:42,286 --> 00:24:44,575
lead on the
show.
Like, do you have to delineate

504
00:24:44,575 --> 00:24:47,620
that is there have to
be
somebody that is like, this is

505
00:24:47,620 --> 00:24:49,780
the person that's leading.
I
appreciate all the help.

506
00:24:49,780 --> 00:24:51,588
I appreciate what you're
bringing
to the table.

507
00:24:51,588 --> 00:24:54,940
But do you think there needs to
be a leader on
the show?

508
00:24:55,420 --> 00:24:57,580
John Jamingo: I think there's

an, I'm going to call it an A

509
00:24:57,580 --> 00:25:00,078
mic and a B mic.
I think there
has.

510
00:25:00,078 --> 00:25:05,642
To be that I'm not 100% sure
that I'm not 100% sure that


511
00:25:05,650 --> 00:25:12,396
you can have just one person, or
can it be a complete can it be


512
00:25:12,404 --> 00:25:16,741
just a, you know, a partnership?
I sometimes I think there has to

513
00:25:16,741 --> 00:25:18,980

be someone that says yes or no
to it.

514
00:25:18,980 --> 00:25:20,702
Finally, Marc Ronick: I think,
yeah, I
agree with you.

515
00:25:20,702 --> 00:25:24,020
I think that there is something
for the
audience's sake, I

516
00:25:24,020 --> 00:25:26,780
think there's something that
they connect
with, gravitate

517
00:25:26,780 --> 00:25:31,508
to, when there is that clear a,
Mike versus B,
Mike the person

518
00:25:31,508 --> 00:25:35,000
that's kind of the anchor of the
show, and I
think that's what

519
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:38,798
we try to establish here with
me, just
because, yeah, I am

520
00:25:38,798 --> 00:25:42,708
probably Mike a, I am the
anchor, but
yeah, and that's

521
00:25:42,708 --> 00:25:46,075
really mainly just to drive the
ship so that
the audience

522
00:25:46,075 --> 00:25:49,876
feels like there's some
organization and it's not
too

523
00:25:49,876 --> 00:25:52,930
chaotic.
And yes, most people don't have

524
00:25:52,930 --> 00:25:57,290
six different
co hosts, like I
do, maybe more actually, but I

525
00:25:57,290 --> 00:26:01,056
think even when
you have two,
I think it's still important

526
00:26:01,056 --> 00:26:04,310
that you that there's
one
person that's driving the ship.

527
00:26:04,310 --> 00:26:07,165
And sometimes, I don't
know if
you do this, John, but sometimes

528
00:26:07,165 --> 00:26:11,040
I think switching off
a little
bit can, can work too, right?

529
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:14,567
Like it doesn't always
have to
be the same person as the

530
00:26:14,567 --> 00:26:16,150
anchor.
I think you can
switch that

531
00:26:16,150 --> 00:26:18,180
up.
So I have some clients that do

532
00:26:18,180 --> 00:26:20,782
that every other
show.
They just keep switching back

533
00:26:20,782 --> 00:26:22,397
and forth.
One takes the
lead, then the

534
00:26:22,397 --> 00:26:23,910
next one takes the lead.
D.R.

535
00:26:23,910 --> 00:26:27,320
Fay: We use music lingo
here
we say first chair, second

536
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:30,740
chair.
Marc Ronick: That's right, yes,

537
00:26:30,740 --> 00:26:34,457
when sometimes I am when I know
I'm going to be out, I will


538
00:26:34,465 --> 00:26:37,700
reach out to Dr, because Ralph
is happy to always take that


539
00:26:37,708 --> 00:26:39,920
first chair.
So I always reach out to Dr and

540
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,568
just ask her, you
know, do you
mind taking this quote, unquote

541
00:26:42,568 --> 00:26:45,040
second chair?

Because I think that's also

542
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:49,480
important, just because I think
it's important that the anchor

543
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:52,960
host knows that they've got that

support, they've got that

544
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:55,786
backup, right?
So that's why I
make sure that

545
00:26:55,786 --> 00:26:58,874
I kind of assign those those
chairs at least the
first

546
00:26:58,874 --> 00:27:01,980
couple to make sure that just
things feel like they're
going

547
00:27:01,980 --> 00:27:04,668
to run smoothly.
John Jamingo: The only way, the

548
00:27:04,668 --> 00:27:07,160
only pushback I have is I would
never throw somebody into


549
00:27:07,168 --> 00:27:09,060
something that I don't think
they're ready for.

550
00:27:09,120 --> 00:27:11,030
Marc Ronick: Oh yeah, John
Jamingo: that being the
first

551
00:27:11,030 --> 00:27:13,962
chair, and then you throw them
in there, and then they
freak

552
00:27:13,962 --> 00:27:16,988
out about being able to do that.
It was funny.

553
00:27:16,988 --> 00:27:21,620
I believe in
my time that I'm
a better co host than I am at

554
00:27:21,620 --> 00:27:24,150
running the
show.
At one time, I felt like I was a

555
00:27:24,150 --> 00:27:26,840
lot better at running the

show, and I was threatening Kate

556
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,000
last night that, you know, how

about you be the number one

557
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,315
chair?
And I just kind of go
back and

558
00:27:31,315 --> 00:27:34,160
throw lob jokes in.
And I think we might get to

559
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:35,480
that.

There's some things that I've

560
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:37,955
done with Kate, like, I can't

have comments up.

561
00:27:37,955 --> 00:27:40,868
I am a squirrel.
If there's something
shiny and

562
00:27:40,868 --> 00:27:42,620
primary.
I can't have that up.

563
00:27:42,620 --> 00:27:45,032
I don't know how you do
it.
Marc Ronick: I don't know.

564
00:27:45,032 --> 00:27:46,840
I
don't do it very well.
I'll be honest.

565
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:51,640
John Jamingo: Kate handles the

comments, and there's other

566
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:56,020
things that we'll do, but like

so I would like to be able to

567
00:27:56,020 --> 00:27:58,780
have a show, Bruce's show, after

we get done here, Bruce does a

568
00:27:58,780 --> 00:28:02,280
show at nine o'clock, and he's

the host, and I just sit back.

569
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:04,510
It's so much fun.
I just sit
back and listen,

570
00:28:04,510 --> 00:28:07,986
and I lob a joke in here or
there, or have a
statement or

571
00:28:07,986 --> 00:28:10,760
comment, and it's so much fun,
and it's so much
easier.

572
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:13,480
But everybody This runs a show
knows that when you're
here,

573
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:15,170
there's a tightness in your
chest.

574
00:28:15,170 --> 00:28:18,984
I've done over 1000
episodes,
and every time before I get I

575
00:28:18,984 --> 00:28:21,680
feel like I'm pit in my

stomach, and then as soon as we

576
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:24,320
go live, it goes away, but

there's always a tension in your

577
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:27,140
chest as you're doing this.
Marc Ronick: I agree with you,


578
00:28:27,148 --> 00:28:29,830
and I think just based on
experience, I don't think I've


579
00:28:29,838 --> 00:28:33,578
ever done a solo podcast, but I
work with solo podcasters, and I

580
00:28:33,578 --> 00:28:37,041

think pit can be harder
sometimes to get rid of when you

581
00:28:37,041 --> 00:28:40,292

are doing it just by yourself.
I think there, it makes it feel

582
00:28:40,292 --> 00:28:44,164
a
little easier when you have
somebody across the desk, if you

583
00:28:44,164 --> 00:28:46,485

will.
That's there just as support.

584
00:28:46,485 --> 00:28:50,065
That sounding board
helps a
lot, I think for a lot of

585
00:28:50,065 --> 00:28:52,540
people, not everyone, but I

think that's a it's a great

586
00:28:52,540 --> 00:28:54,289
advantage to have that co host.


587
00:28:54,297 --> 00:28:56,680
I'll John Jamingo: tell you what
I
did at one point.

588
00:28:56,680 --> 00:29:00,000
I said, I want to do a solo I
don't want to do
a solo

589
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:01,583
podcast.
And I made myself do it.

590
00:29:01,583 --> 00:29:04,830
So I went on every
day, and at
first it was horrible.

591
00:29:04,830 --> 00:29:08,730
I hated it.
And then I
did it every day

592
00:29:08,730 --> 00:29:12,126
for a while, and then when I
finally got
really comfortable

593
00:29:12,126 --> 00:29:15,789
doing it, and I could do an
hour, and I was
not having a

594
00:29:15,789 --> 00:29:18,720
problem, I realized I don't like
doing this, so I
stopped, but

595
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:21,332
I know I can, Marc Ronick: yeah,
exactly.

596
00:29:21,332 --> 00:29:23,402
How
long?
How many episodes roughly, did

597
00:29:23,402 --> 00:29:25,400
you do before you decided I

can't do this?

598
00:29:25,580 --> 00:29:27,992
John Jamingo: About 25 Marc
Ronick: okay, I think
that's

599
00:29:27,992 --> 00:29:29,716
totally fair.
I think that's a reasonable

600
00:29:29,716 --> 00:29:32,804
amount of
time to really see
okay, because at first it's

601
00:29:32,804 --> 00:29:35,405
going to be
uncomfortable and
it's gonna you're gonna feel

602
00:29:35,405 --> 00:29:36,770
like, Yeah, I
can't do this,
right?

603
00:29:36,770 --> 00:29:40,256
But I appreciate the idea of you
just
pushing through getting

604
00:29:40,256 --> 00:29:42,433
enough done before actually
saying,
Okay, this ain't for

605
00:29:42,433 --> 00:29:44,128
me.
Once I was comfortable, once I

606
00:29:44,128 --> 00:29:45,902
was John Jamingo: comfortable
doing
this, I was like, You

607
00:29:45,902 --> 00:29:47,920
know what?
I don't really want to do this,

608
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,830
but I was comfortable doing it.
Marc Ronick: Okay, real quick,


609
00:29:50,838 --> 00:29:53,563
pausing here, and then I'm going
to go to BC with a question.

610
00:29:53,563 --> 00:29:56,830
I
want to remind you, or
really share with you, that if

611
00:29:56,830 --> 00:29:59,491
you're
serious about starting
or growing your podcast.

612
00:29:59,491 --> 00:30:01,988
Don't try
to figure it out
alone.

613
00:30:01,988 --> 00:30:05,196
Here at ironic media, I help
podcasters
launch and grow

614
00:30:05,196 --> 00:30:08,808
shows that actually move the
needle with
better sound,

615
00:30:08,808 --> 00:30:13,060
better videos, smarter strategy
and a clear
path to success.

616
00:30:13,060 --> 00:30:16,842
So go to ironic media.com and
let's build
something that

617
00:30:16,842 --> 00:30:20,890
you're proud of.
Okay, BC you have a question for

618
00:30:20,890 --> 00:30:23,240

either John or the room.
Go for it.

619
00:30:23,479 --> 00:30:25,549
BC Babbles: I do so.
I'm
curious.

620
00:30:25,549 --> 00:30:30,134
John, how do you or how would
you suggest when we're
ready,

621
00:30:30,134 --> 00:30:34,654
we go about acquiring or at
least enlisting curious
people

622
00:30:34,654 --> 00:30:38,909
to be co hosts?
Do we put an ad out on Indeed,

623
00:30:38,909 --> 00:30:42,464
is this
like a LinkedIn thing.
Or do you just hit a couple of

624
00:30:42,464 --> 00:30:45,269
groups on
Facebook to say,
Hey, I'm open and willing.

625
00:30:45,269 --> 00:30:47,919
Weird phrasing.

Sorry, but hey, looking for a co

626
00:30:47,919 --> 00:30:50,619
host who's interested.
How do
you go about that?

627
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:53,735
John Jamingo: I think that

anywhere.

628
00:30:53,735 --> 00:30:57,778
Well, most of us know
podcasters, and if any of two


629
00:30:57,786 --> 00:31:00,950
podcasters find out they have
something in common, I'll just


630
00:31:00,958 --> 00:31:04,145
use the game of poker.
Oh, we should do a podcast about

631
00:31:04,145 --> 00:31:05,880
that.

I would say, go to the, you

632
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:09,300
know, the niche or whatever,

what you're going to do, and

633
00:31:09,300 --> 00:31:12,540
then find people that are very

passionate about that, and then

634
00:31:12,540 --> 00:31:15,339
listen to them talk.
And even if
they've never

635
00:31:15,339 --> 00:31:18,120
podcasted before, just say, you
know, I do this
podcast thing.

636
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:21,016
And if you got a microphone, I
think we could
make this work

637
00:31:21,016 --> 00:31:23,635
and then just try a couple test
episodes where you
just get in

638
00:31:23,635 --> 00:31:26,204
and talk and see if there's some
kind of chemistry
there,

639
00:31:26,204 --> 00:31:28,580
because if there's no chemistry,
it's like pulling
teeth.

640
00:31:28,580 --> 00:31:31,820
It's horrible.
I've had a friend who has been

641
00:31:31,820 --> 00:31:36,150
podcasting
for over 10 years,
and we thought it would be great

642
00:31:36,150 --> 00:31:38,548
if we
did a show together.
We did like, three episodes, and

643
00:31:38,548 --> 00:31:41,508
we
never put one out, but we
did three episodes together, and

644
00:31:41,508 --> 00:31:44,764
it
was horrible.
It was there was it was so

645
00:31:44,764 --> 00:31:47,875
disjointed and
disconnected.
And it was like, you know, be

646
00:31:47,875 --> 00:31:49,310
funny.
And I'm
like, I'm trying, you

647
00:31:49,310 --> 00:31:52,292
know, and it was back and forth.
It just
did not work.

648
00:31:52,292 --> 00:31:55,945
But they, both of us podcast
with other people,
and it

649
00:31:55,945 --> 00:31:59,184
works, Marc Ronick: yeah, and
I'm
reading in the chat here,

650
00:31:59,184 --> 00:32:03,180
Tim says here on clubhouse, I co

hosted with my podcast mentor,

651
00:32:03,180 --> 00:32:07,599
Kyle Bondo for 60 episodes.
Our
podcast topic was pod

652
00:32:07,599 --> 00:32:12,672
fading, and how to avoid it
naturally it
pod faded.

653
00:32:12,672 --> 00:32:15,786
A show about pod fade.
Pod fading.

654
00:32:15,786 --> 00:32:17,554
Imagine that.

Thanks, Tim.

655
00:32:17,554 --> 00:32:20,230
All right.
And BC, did you have a follow

656
00:32:20,230 --> 00:32:21,847
up?
I just
wanted to make BC

657
00:32:21,847 --> 00:32:24,124
Babbles: sure I did Marc Ronick:
not okay, just making sure.

658
00:32:24,124 --> 00:32:27,524
All
right, cool.
So I'm curious, by the way, if

659
00:32:27,524 --> 00:32:30,560
you are watching or
listening,
put a one in the chat.

660
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:35,748
If you are a solo
podcaster,
put a two if you have a co host.

661
00:32:35,748 --> 00:32:38,654
Just curious who's
listening
right now and what type of

662
00:32:38,654 --> 00:32:40,136
podcasters are listening
right
now.

663
00:32:40,136 --> 00:32:43,445
We got several ones coming out
on clubhouse here.


664
00:32:43,453 --> 00:32:47,359
And yeah, Ralph says he's a one
and a two.

665
00:32:47,359 --> 00:32:50,488
That makes sense.
So
is Gabe and Jonathan is a

666
00:32:50,488 --> 00:32:53,570
one now, but used to have a co
host
as well.

667
00:32:53,570 --> 00:32:55,822
BC, also solo podcaster.
Okay, cool.

668
00:32:55,822 --> 00:33:00,604
This is
interesting stuff.
So John, what should co hosts

669
00:33:00,604 --> 00:33:05,940
talk about
before they ever go
live, hit that record button

670
00:33:05,940 --> 00:33:08,014
together.
John Jamingo: I would just say


671
00:33:08,022 --> 00:33:11,309
how the show is going to flow,
where, how you're going to go


672
00:33:11,317 --> 00:33:14,874
into and out of segments, who's
responsible for what, who is


673
00:33:14,882 --> 00:33:18,859
going to do the reads, who's
going to do commentary, that


674
00:33:18,867 --> 00:33:22,144
kind of stuff.
I just think that just to go

675
00:33:22,144 --> 00:33:26,019
over the show of you
know what
you're going to do during the

676
00:33:26,019 --> 00:33:31,049
show, also have both
or all
the CO hosts involved in the

677
00:33:31,049 --> 00:33:33,529
prep, so that they don't
come
in cold.

678
00:33:33,529 --> 00:33:36,619
There's some times where Kate
will throw a story in
and I

679
00:33:36,619 --> 00:33:39,299
didn't get a chance to read it,
or I'll ambush her with
a

680
00:33:39,299 --> 00:33:40,410
story.
Well, sometimes I like ambushing

681
00:33:40,410 --> 00:33:42,636
her with a story,
which
because I know how she's going

682
00:33:42,636 --> 00:33:44,221
to react.
Going to react.


683
00:33:44,229 --> 00:33:47,144
But you know, if you ambush
somebody and they really don't


684
00:33:47,152 --> 00:33:50,995
know what's going on, it can be
awkward, but most of the time we

685
00:33:50,995 --> 00:33:53,901

you know, everybody set up and
they know what the stories are


686
00:33:53,909 --> 00:33:56,439
going to be, so they have at
least some kind of idea what


687
00:33:56,447 --> 00:33:58,138
they're going to talk Marc
Ronick: about.

688
00:33:58,138 --> 00:34:00,206
Yeah, that
makes sense.
And Gabe in the clubhouse chat

689
00:34:00,206 --> 00:34:04,130
says, I do a show
with my wife
on love and relationships, which

690
00:34:04,130 --> 00:34:08,368
I think is
a beautiful thing,
and I feel like that's also

691
00:34:08,368 --> 00:34:12,120
dangerous,
maybe not for gay,
but I could see that, you know,

692
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:15,112
that you got
to really have
the right kind of chemistry to

693
00:34:15,112 --> 00:34:18,697
also be able to do
a podcast
with your spouse or significant

694
00:34:18,697 --> 00:34:20,726
other, just like in
Business,
right?

695
00:34:20,726 --> 00:34:24,491
Like, I think, you know, some
some marriages
are best to

696
00:34:24,491 --> 00:34:27,050
just stay marriages and not
bring business into it.


697
00:34:27,058 --> 00:34:29,239
And I think that goes for
podcasting too.

698
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:32,116
And I'm not
suggesting people
shouldn't do it.

699
00:34:32,116 --> 00:34:35,659
I'm just saying you got to

really be careful and talk about

700
00:34:36,380 --> 00:34:38,635
talking with your co host ahead
of time.

701
00:34:38,635 --> 00:34:43,279
I think that deserves a very
serious sit down
conversation

702
00:34:43,279 --> 00:34:47,554
between spouses on you know how
what their
expectations are,

703
00:34:47,554 --> 00:34:52,197
what their roles are, etc, or
else things
could get really

704
00:34:52,197 --> 00:34:55,764
sticky really quickly.
Just John Jamingo: let your wife

705
00:34:55,764 --> 00:34:56,918
be
in charge, just like at
home.

706
00:34:56,978 --> 00:34:59,241
Marc Ronick: And that's a great
way to handle it.

707
00:34:59,241 --> 00:34:59,919
I agree.
Yeah.

708
00:34:59,999 --> 00:35:03,899
And I want to just divert here

for a second, because somebody

709
00:35:03,899 --> 00:35:07,859
in the chat here, one of your co

hosts, said that your current

710
00:35:07,859 --> 00:35:11,999
show cost them their marriage.

And I'm curious if you know what

711
00:35:13,020 --> 00:35:16,860
John Jamingo: is Bob, and he was

married to a psycho Oh, and

712
00:35:16,860 --> 00:35:19,860
because one time we were

podcasting, and she turned the

713
00:35:19,860 --> 00:35:23,378
breakers off to his studio, and
he just went out.

714
00:35:23,378 --> 00:35:26,453
But again, that, of course, I
get blamed
for everything,

715
00:35:26,453 --> 00:35:30,560
which is fine, you have to have
a relationship
with your wife

716
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:33,212
where she knows you're going to
go out and
you're going to

717
00:35:33,212 --> 00:35:37,008
talk about something.
The fact of the
matter is that

718
00:35:37,008 --> 00:35:39,945
they went through therapy and
everything, and then
when he

719
00:35:39,945 --> 00:35:42,976
found it wasn't going to work,
he did is he says, Hey,
I'm

720
00:35:42,976 --> 00:35:45,048
ready to podcast again.
Because we had taken a month and

721
00:35:45,048 --> 00:35:46,577

a half off so he could work on
it.

722
00:35:46,577 --> 00:35:48,530
And he's like, I'm ready to

podcast it half.

723
00:35:48,530 --> 00:35:50,692
I'm ready to podcast again.
You know, when do
you want to

724
00:35:50,692 --> 00:35:52,576
do it?
I said, I can be ready in 45

725
00:35:52,576 --> 00:35:54,542
minutes.
And we
went on and did a show.

726
00:35:54,542 --> 00:35:57,004
So Marc Ronick: love that.
John Jamingo: Yeah, it can ruin

727
00:35:57,004 --> 00:35:58,940
relationships.
It absolutely can ruin it.

728
00:35:58,940 --> 00:36:01,973
Yeah, Marc Ronick: yeah.
And I see
also that Kate has

729
00:36:01,973 --> 00:36:06,400
commented that a few people have
assumed
that you and she are

730
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:07,548
married.
John Jamingo: Oh, absolutely,


731
00:36:07,556 --> 00:36:09,515
yeah, Marc Ronick: yeah.
John Jamingo: They're shocked


732
00:36:09,523 --> 00:36:11,204
when they find out Kate is
married.

733
00:36:11,204 --> 00:36:13,484
I am not.
They are
shocked when they

734
00:36:13,484 --> 00:36:15,634
find out that we're not in
really, because we
did.

735
00:36:15,634 --> 00:36:17,799
We kind of bicker back and forth
like a couple.

736
00:36:17,799 --> 00:36:20,416
She's my
podcast wife.
What can I tell Marc Ronick:

737
00:36:20,416 --> 00:36:21,656
you?
Yeah, yeah,
right, exactly.

738
00:36:21,656 --> 00:36:24,758
Just like people say they have
work wives and
work husbands,

739
00:36:24,758 --> 00:36:27,025
same thing.
Yeah, go ahead, Ralph, Ralph

740
00:36:27,025 --> 00:36:28,148
Estep Jr: yeah.
And that
kind of leads me.

741
00:36:28,148 --> 00:36:29,402
We've talked a lot about
marriages.

742
00:36:29,402 --> 00:36:31,775
It's kind
of takes me to
conflict resolution.

743
00:36:31,775 --> 00:36:35,240
Not sure why that
comes to
mind, but works for me.

744
00:36:35,240 --> 00:36:37,700
But let's talk about that.

Because I noticed one of the

745
00:36:37,700 --> 00:36:40,420
things when I listened to your

show, you and Kate sort of get

746
00:36:40,420 --> 00:36:43,960
into this, you're talking over

me situation, and I know that

747
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:47,080
can be really frustrating for

and I do this with Mark

748
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:50,860
sometimes, like I'm trying to

not do that, but it's hard.

749
00:36:50,860 --> 00:36:53,560
John, how have you done that?

And what are some things that

750
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:56,860
you've done to build up that

conflict resolution, Kate, and

751
00:36:56,860 --> 00:36:59,380
I'm sure Kate is listening.

Kate, you and I've never met,

752
00:36:59,380 --> 00:37:03,711
but you are a saint, my friend,
and you give him a lot of

753
00:37:03,711 --> 00:37:06,465
space, but, but, Mark, excuse
me, John,
how do you make that

754
00:37:06,465 --> 00:37:07,740
hat?
How do you make that work?

755
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:12,185
John Jamingo: I gave up because
I tried my best, because I'll

756
00:37:12,185 --> 00:37:14,598
be talking.
And again, it's the
being a

757
00:37:14,598 --> 00:37:16,980
podcaster and being somebody
that is just talking.


758
00:37:16,988 --> 00:37:19,602
When you're talking to somebody,
they want to say that they're


759
00:37:19,610 --> 00:37:21,212
engaged to their Uh huh, yeah,
yes, yeah.

760
00:37:21,212 --> 00:37:24,020
And I try to get it.

And finally, I made such a big

761
00:37:24,020 --> 00:37:27,140
stink about it, people like

people would say, we don't hear

762
00:37:27,140 --> 00:37:29,628
her doing that.
And I'm like,
Okay, I give up.

763
00:37:29,628 --> 00:37:31,898
And I just she starts.
I keep talking over it.


764
00:37:31,906 --> 00:37:34,160
There's sometimes she says I
wanted to say something, and you

765
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:36,355

just keep talking over me.
I'm like, you kind of trained

766
00:37:36,355 --> 00:37:37,940
me.

You trained me to talk over you.

767
00:37:37,940 --> 00:37:41,358
I can't do two things at once.
I
can't listen to you and

768
00:37:41,358 --> 00:37:44,170
continue talking.
So when you talk under
me, I

769
00:37:44,170 --> 00:37:46,845
can't listen to that.
To know when you're doing it,

770
00:37:46,845 --> 00:37:49,030
you
almost have to put your
hands up and stop.

771
00:37:49,030 --> 00:37:51,600
Or, you know,
something to do
to stop me from talking.

772
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:54,480
I gave up.
I just gave
up about it.

773
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:56,992
And she Ralph Estep Jr: John, do
you go
do it after the show?

774
00:37:56,992 --> 00:37:59,532
And do you guys have a dialog?
Do you talk
about, you know,

775
00:37:59,532 --> 00:38:02,080
are you able to talk those
things through and
say, Hey,

776
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:04,380
I'm sorry that this happened.
I'm sorry that this
happened.

777
00:38:04,380 --> 00:38:07,325
Or is it just live and roll, and
then as soon as the
show's

778
00:38:07,325 --> 00:38:10,488
over, hey, we're all good again.
What does that look like
for

779
00:38:10,488 --> 00:38:11,844
your relationship?
John Jamingo: It is.

780
00:38:11,844 --> 00:38:14,160
There's
only been a couple
times my fault where I've

781
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:18,306
overstepped the
line and it
took and I just knowing Kate, I

782
00:38:18,306 --> 00:38:22,060
just let her,
let her cool
down, and then we'll talk about

783
00:38:22,060 --> 00:38:24,828
it.
One was
about a person that I

784
00:38:24,828 --> 00:38:27,732
talk about that she's not a fan
of, and I
kept doing it, and

785
00:38:27,732 --> 00:38:29,675
then she's like, I don't want
you to do
this anymore.

786
00:38:29,675 --> 00:38:32,294
I'm like, okay, okay.
And I did it again, and
that

787
00:38:32,294 --> 00:38:35,020
kind of upset her.
But I think there are times

788
00:38:35,020 --> 00:38:38,214
where we
there are times when
we bicker back and forth, and

789
00:38:38,214 --> 00:38:41,212
then
afterwards we laugh about
it, or there are times where,

790
00:38:41,212 --> 00:38:44,404
well,
we're bickering, but I'm
we're both laughing at each

791
00:38:44,404 --> 00:38:46,120
other as
we're doing it's not
really.

792
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:48,280
It's performative more than it

is actual.

793
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:52,060
Marc Ronick: And Matt, in the

chat here, says that podcasts

794
00:38:52,060 --> 00:38:58,115
with partners, I think are great

for the therapeutic aspect.

795
00:38:58,115 --> 00:38:59,680
Why are you laughing?
John?

796
00:39:00,340 --> 00:39:01,999
John Jamingo: I think it's the

worst.

797
00:39:01,999 --> 00:39:04,440
I really believe it's the worst
idea, the worst thing to
Oh,

798
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:06,705
if you really believe that, why
don't you get a group of


799
00:39:06,713 --> 00:39:09,415
friends together, sit down with
your significant other and start

800
00:39:09,415 --> 00:39:11,784

talking about your problems.
Let's see how that goes.

801
00:39:11,784 --> 00:39:12,960
Sorry,
I don't believe in
that.

802
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:14,460
Marc Ronick: Matt, do you want

to respond?

803
00:39:15,059 --> 00:39:16,709
Unknown: Absolutely, good

morning, everybody.

804
00:39:16,709 --> 00:39:19,194
Yeah.
Listen, this is going to go


805
00:39:19,202 --> 00:39:21,229
directly against what you were
saying there, and not to


806
00:39:21,237 --> 00:39:25,427
disagree, all the stuff that
you're saying is is great, and I

807
00:39:25,427 --> 00:39:29,551

think you missed therapeutic,
and thought it meant therapy,


808
00:39:29,559 --> 00:39:32,799
which is definitely not what I
was talking about there.

809
00:39:32,799 --> 00:39:36,679
The
perfect example is that I
do a podcast with my wife.

810
00:39:36,679 --> 00:39:40,719
She's
Irish, I'm Australian,
and we moved from Australia in

811
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:44,971
20
23andme doing podcasts for
a couple of years before that,

812
00:39:44,971 --> 00:39:47,259
we
wanted to do one about our
move.

813
00:39:47,319 --> 00:39:52,419
So moving from Australia to

Ireland, we did five or six

814
00:39:52,419 --> 00:39:55,308
episodes before we left

Australia.

815
00:39:55,308 --> 00:39:58,819
Did one that chronicled
different aspects of
us

816
00:39:58,819 --> 00:40:01,505
wrapping up the.
House and packing the bags and

817
00:40:01,505 --> 00:40:04,604
doing all
these things and a
little bit of time here, and

818
00:40:04,604 --> 00:40:07,444
then have done
episodes here
since as well.

819
00:40:07,444 --> 00:40:10,721
Now we've been together for a
while
before we did the

820
00:40:10,721 --> 00:40:12,818
podcast.
I'm a Podcast Producer now


821
00:40:12,826 --> 00:40:16,940
professional, but at the time,
I'd been doing it as a bit of a

822
00:40:16,940 --> 00:40:19,627
side hustle for a bit, so the
roles and responsibilities


823
00:40:19,635 --> 00:40:25,139
wasn't really an issue for us,
which was great, but having that

824
00:40:25,139 --> 00:40:29,694

space, because we talk about
being expats, moving to a


825
00:40:29,702 --> 00:40:34,911
different place in the world, it
gave us the space to talk about

826
00:40:34,911 --> 00:40:40,105
it in a way for people that
aren't just in our pair, like


827
00:40:40,113 --> 00:40:44,267
it's not just us talking to each
other with everything that we


828
00:40:44,275 --> 00:40:47,385
understand about ourselves.
It allows us to objectively

829
00:40:47,385 --> 00:40:52,785
explain
and talk it out as if
the people listening don't know

830
00:40:52,785 --> 00:40:56,385
our full
story, and that
creates the platform to discuss

831
00:40:56,385 --> 00:40:58,479
things in a
bit of a different
perspective.

832
00:40:58,479 --> 00:41:02,699
And in that sense, that

therapeutic aspect is us

833
00:41:02,699 --> 00:41:05,614
discussing things in a different

way than if no one was

834
00:41:05,614 --> 00:41:09,037
watching.
Now, it kind of sounds when I


835
00:41:09,045 --> 00:41:14,129
explain it that way, that it's
that there are problems to fix,

836
00:41:14,129 --> 00:41:17,737
and like, you know, we're just
at each other all the time.

837
00:41:17,737 --> 00:41:19,904
Yes,
I'm Australian.
I need, I need Ireland to be

838
00:41:19,904 --> 00:41:21,457
hotter.
Why does
it rain all the time?

839
00:41:21,457 --> 00:41:24,867
Why is it so terrible?
It's definitely not
like that.

840
00:41:24,867 --> 00:41:29,461
But I think without the podcasts
that we've put
together, we

841
00:41:29,461 --> 00:41:33,479
wouldn't have come to terms with
the move back to
Ireland for

842
00:41:33,479 --> 00:41:37,519
her and to a new country for me
in the same way.


843
00:41:37,527 --> 00:41:41,639
And I mean, we tick a lot of
boxes that you've been talking


844
00:41:41,647 --> 00:41:43,197
about that can sometimes be
issues.

845
00:41:43,197 --> 00:41:46,799
Like we work well
together.
We've both been in careers that

846
00:41:46,799 --> 00:41:50,369
require us to talk
in front of
people, so guiding the

847
00:41:50,369 --> 00:41:53,652
conversation can be is easy

for us.

848
00:41:53,652 --> 00:41:58,587
Like the performative aspect is
fairly easy, but there
is

849
00:41:58,587 --> 00:42:03,273
something to creating a podcast
about a topic doesn't
have to

850
00:42:03,273 --> 00:42:06,993
be therapy, but that gives you a
different
perspective, but can

851
00:42:06,993 --> 00:42:09,923
also do well as something that
people
enjoy, listen to,

852
00:42:09,923 --> 00:42:11,717
listening to, which is, how many
episodes?

853
00:42:11,717 --> 00:42:13,740
How
many John Jamingo:
episodes do you
have?

854
00:42:14,460 --> 00:42:18,240
Unknown: We did 16 episodes

before, just before the end of

855
00:42:18,240 --> 00:42:23,420
2023, and we've come back, and

we've done two, we've done three

856
00:42:23,420 --> 00:42:25,828
since at the beginning of this

year.

857
00:42:25,828 --> 00:42:30,396
So we didn't put limitations on
ourselves from
the podcast

858
00:42:30,396 --> 00:42:34,274
perspective, like the purpose
for us was providing
people

859
00:42:34,274 --> 00:42:37,226
listening with insights and
aspects for making the move,


860
00:42:37,234 --> 00:42:40,745
as well as it being a place
where we can talk about stuff.


861
00:42:40,753 --> 00:42:43,482
And invariably, as a secondary
goal, it was a chance for people

862
00:42:43,482 --> 00:42:46,100

to listen in on where we're at
without messaging and just


863
00:42:46,108 --> 00:42:48,548
messaging us directly.
Like I'd say 50% of our

864
00:42:48,548 --> 00:42:50,700
listenership is
probably
people that we know already.

865
00:42:50,700 --> 00:42:53,680
But, yeah, sorry, I
talked
over you there, John Jamingo:

866
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:55,360
but I'm just
saying tread
lightly, my friend.

867
00:42:55,420 --> 00:42:56,425
That's all I can Marc Ronick:
say.

868
00:42:56,425 --> 00:42:58,698
They're John Jamingo: done so I
think
they're okay.

869
00:42:58,698 --> 00:43:01,991
No, no, we're still going, Oh,
you're still
going, okay.

870
00:43:01,991 --> 00:43:02,703
Yeah.
Called.

871
00:43:02,703 --> 00:43:05,859
A success.
I don't know you are
tap

872
00:43:05,859 --> 00:43:09,000
dancing on a minefield, I
believe, but hey, good Marc

873
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:10,518
Ronick: luck.
John Jamingo: Don't think so.

874
00:43:10,518 --> 00:43:12,120
I
will strongly disagree on
that.

875
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:14,886
Okay, that's my position.
Marc Ronick: I do see a little


876
00:43:14,894 --> 00:43:17,948
bit of what Matt's saying, even
from a perspective that


877
00:43:17,956 --> 00:43:22,415
podcasting, it can, can be good
for conflict resolution if


878
00:43:22,423 --> 00:43:26,410
you're doing it with somebody
who is also in your life


879
00:43:26,418 --> 00:43:29,516
personally, because you know you
have people watching and


880
00:43:29,524 --> 00:43:32,411
listening to you.
And I think that that can

881
00:43:32,411 --> 00:43:35,340
sometimes not
always, but I
think that that can sometimes

882
00:43:35,340 --> 00:43:40,326
force you and that
other
person to maybe tone it down a

883
00:43:40,326 --> 00:43:44,348
little bit right, like,
if you
are just private the two of you,

884
00:43:44,348 --> 00:43:47,980
you could have a very
heated,
maybe even sometimes

885
00:43:47,980 --> 00:43:51,445
inappropriate, depending on how
you fight conversation,

886
00:43:51,445 --> 00:43:54,580
whereas, when you're on the mic
in front
of a camera, however

887
00:43:54,580 --> 00:43:58,320
you have your setup, you may
tone it back
a little bit.

888
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:01,048
And you know, just because you
know people are
watching, and

889
00:44:01,048 --> 00:44:04,548
you may want to make sure you're
putting your
best face on,

890
00:44:04,548 --> 00:44:06,120
right?
Jonathan, you want to chime in,

891
00:44:06,659 --> 00:44:09,539
Jonathan Howard: yeah, I just

wanted to say, you almost you

892
00:44:09,539 --> 00:44:12,119
feel like you're an example for
other people, because people do

893
00:44:12,179 --> 00:44:14,249
say that you're an example for

them.

894
00:44:14,249 --> 00:44:18,332
And Mimi and I were not married,
but a lot of times
there were,

895
00:44:18,332 --> 00:44:20,651
there was conflict resolution,
there were things
that we

896
00:44:20,651 --> 00:44:23,584
talked about that people would
truly appreciate the way
that

897
00:44:23,584 --> 00:44:25,991
we handled it.
And there were times that we

898
00:44:25,991 --> 00:44:27,535
were ready to
kill each other
on air.

899
00:44:27,535 --> 00:44:31,575
So it was, it worked out well.
And
and, like I said, I still

900
00:44:31,575 --> 00:44:33,694
want, I'm still trying to get
her to
come back.

901
00:44:33,694 --> 00:44:35,874
So one of these days, Marc
Ronick: yeah, I hope so that you

902
00:44:35,874 --> 00:44:36,964
guys talk about
good
chemistry.

903
00:44:36,964 --> 00:44:40,559
You guys definitely had a really
good
chemistry, and I would

904
00:44:40,559 --> 00:44:43,712
love to see the two of you jump
back
into it.

905
00:44:43,712 --> 00:44:46,685
So yeah, To be continued there.
All right, so
here's what I

906
00:44:46,685 --> 00:44:49,535
want to do.
I want to do a quick scenario

907
00:44:49,535 --> 00:44:53,014
round,
and I'm going to
address these scenarios to you,

908
00:44:53,014 --> 00:44:56,600
John, but
really, I'm curious
from the others too, if anybody

909
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:59,824
wants to
chime in with how
they would handle these

910
00:44:59,824 --> 00:45:01,167
scenarios.

Scenarios.

911
00:45:01,167 --> 00:45:04,404
And basically, yeah, I'll throw
out, here's what I'll
do.

912
00:45:04,404 --> 00:45:06,864
I'll throw out a couple of these
co host scenarios.

913
00:45:06,864 --> 00:45:09,480
And
John, I want your first
reaction.

914
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:14,100
So the first one is on
the
topic of being prepared.

915
00:45:14,100 --> 00:45:17,715
So if your co host regularly
shows
up, which it sounds like

916
00:45:17,715 --> 00:45:20,989
Kate would not do this, but if
your
co host regularly shows

917
00:45:20,989 --> 00:45:24,740
up, let's say, a couple minutes
before the show, and isn't

918
00:45:24,740 --> 00:45:26,600
prepared.
What do you do?

919
00:45:27,020 --> 00:45:29,360
John Jamingo: You're gonna have
to cover for them, all right,

920
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:31,340
because it's a show and it's

about the audience, so you're

921
00:45:31,340 --> 00:45:33,980
gonna have to cover for them.

And then when the mic goes off,

922
00:45:33,980 --> 00:45:36,400
kind of like when you're having
a marriage podcast, and you

923
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:38,600
talk about things, and you think
it's
all great, and then you

924
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:41,160
turn the mic off, and you found
out it
wasn't there's gonna be

925
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:43,558
a conversation.
And then when it
happens too

926
00:45:43,558 --> 00:45:46,020
many times, and you're carrying
them all the
time, then there

927
00:45:46,020 --> 00:45:48,615
has to be a real hard
conversation where, if
you

928
00:45:48,615 --> 00:45:51,286
don't show up prepared, then I'm
going to have to find


929
00:45:51,294 --> 00:45:52,912
something else.
So we're going to have to do

930
00:45:52,912 --> 00:45:54,580
another Marc Ronick: thing.
Cool, all
right?

931
00:45:54,580 --> 00:45:56,725
And if anybody else wants to
chime in and answer that


932
00:45:56,733 --> 00:45:59,873
question, you are more than
welcome, BC go ahead BC Babbles:

933
00:45:59,873 --> 00:46:00,971
for the best part.

The same thing.

934
00:46:00,971 --> 00:46:02,944
This goes back.
We a lot of time ago mentioned,

935
00:46:02,944 --> 00:46:05,194
you know, there's an etiquette
to podcasting, so if you're


936
00:46:05,202 --> 00:46:08,399
gonna it's one thing to be a
guest and to be just be late to

937
00:46:08,399 --> 00:46:12,039
being a guest on a show, but to
be a co host and to know that


938
00:46:12,047 --> 00:46:15,239
you've signed up to carry on a
certain part of the weight of


939
00:46:15,247 --> 00:46:18,729
the show, and to not be
prepared, I think it's just


940
00:46:18,737 --> 00:46:22,429
poor, poor etiquette, and will
easily cause me to rethink why I

941
00:46:22,429 --> 00:46:25,199

spoke to you in the first
place, to even offer you the

942
00:46:25,199 --> 00:46:26,978
chance.
Marc Ronick: Yeah, fair enough.

943
00:46:26,978 --> 00:46:27,392

Thank you.

944
00:46:27,392 --> 00:46:29,900
BC, Ralph, you want to take the
next scenario, Ralph Estep Jr:

945
00:46:29,900 --> 00:46:32,124
and I want to
just address
what BBC said that I would.

946
00:46:32,124 --> 00:46:35,180
But I think one of the
things
that we can do to prevent that,

947
00:46:35,180 --> 00:46:38,480
BC, into everybody
listening
is talk through the plan, have a

948
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:41,032
clear understanding
of here's
what we're going to do.

949
00:46:41,032 --> 00:46:42,849
This is one of the things
that
Mark and I have done.

950
00:46:42,849 --> 00:46:45,563
Mark and I have done a lot of we
have
a weekly sort of

951
00:46:45,563 --> 00:46:47,839
management meeting, for lack of
a better
way of saying it,

952
00:46:47,839 --> 00:46:50,251
where we talk through and we
say, Okay, here's
what we're

953
00:46:50,251 --> 00:46:51,318
thinking, here's what we're
thinking.

954
00:46:51,318 --> 00:46:54,030
Because if you
got to plan it
out, you got to be intentional

955
00:46:54,030 --> 00:46:56,150
about that.
So I
mean, I think you're

956
00:46:56,150 --> 00:46:58,514
going to have situations
sometimes that
happens, but I

957
00:46:58,514 --> 00:47:01,860
think to have a plan in place,
to have a clear
delineation of

958
00:47:01,860 --> 00:47:04,878
what the goals of the show are.
Mark and I had
this very

959
00:47:04,878 --> 00:47:06,325
conversation yesterday, what are
the goals?


960
00:47:06,333 --> 00:47:08,710
What are we trying to get to as
a team?

961
00:47:08,710 --> 00:47:10,852
What are we trying to
get to
as a community?

962
00:47:10,852 --> 00:47:13,500
I think if you set that out the
beginning, I think it's those

963
00:47:13,500 --> 00:47:16,860
unspoken things which kind of

goes for a marriage, too, if you

964
00:47:16,860 --> 00:47:20,180
think about it, if you want to

have a successful marriage, and

965
00:47:20,180 --> 00:47:23,060
I'm not sure that I have one,

but I've been together for 26

966
00:47:23,300 --> 00:47:25,580
years.
I love my wife, but, you
know,

967
00:47:25,580 --> 00:47:26,720
it's hard.
That's hard.

968
00:47:26,720 --> 00:47:29,120
Communication is hard.
But let
me pivot to the next

969
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:31,260
thing Marc Ronick: before you do
wait,
I think Jonathan wanted

970
00:47:31,260 --> 00:47:33,620
to chime in, and then I'll hand
it back
to you.

971
00:47:33,620 --> 00:47:35,824
Go ahead, Jonathan.
Jonathan Howard: I was just


972
00:47:35,832 --> 00:47:39,143
gonna say our best episodes were
the ones where I showed up, not

973
00:47:39,143 --> 00:47:41,779
totally prepared.
We had, we always had a show

974
00:47:41,779 --> 00:47:45,549
plan, but not
totally prepared
on the topic, and we just had a

975
00:47:45,549 --> 00:47:47,799
great
conversation.
So sometimes it can go the other

976
00:47:47,799 --> 00:47:49,672
way too.
Marc Ronick: I agree with you,


977
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:52,840
Jonathan, and that's something
that I'm learning more and more

978
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:57,415
even to this day, is that
sometimes I over prepare for


979
00:47:57,423 --> 00:48:02,070
this show, and I stress the heck
out when I'm planning, because


980
00:48:02,078 --> 00:48:04,836
I'm like, Oh, this isn't enough.
I got to do more.

981
00:48:04,836 --> 00:48:06,706
I got to do
more.
I got to do more.

982
00:48:06,706 --> 00:48:09,600
And talk about some of you may
recall all
the sleepless

983
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:12,190
nights I was having.
I would just stress
myself out

984
00:48:12,190 --> 00:48:14,544
about it.
So I think there is something to

985
00:48:14,544 --> 00:48:17,895
be said
about planning, but
not necessarily planning every


986
00:48:17,903 --> 00:48:19,590
moment.
TTP, right.

987
00:48:19,590 --> 00:48:21,380
Trust the process.
Yeah.

988
00:48:21,380 --> 00:48:24,020
Great points.

Jonathan and John, you wanted to

989
00:48:24,020 --> 00:48:27,223
say something, John Jamingo:
yeah, sometimes
you got to be

990
00:48:27,223 --> 00:48:30,059
a jazz musician.
In other words, you got to keep

991
00:48:30,059 --> 00:48:31,743
up.
And there's nothing wrong with

992
00:48:31,743 --> 00:48:34,296
you playing the show.
And
then something happens and

993
00:48:34,296 --> 00:48:36,889
you go off on a tangent.
It's one of
the best shows.

994
00:48:36,889 --> 00:48:40,319
So you just don't be so rigid.
I spent all
night planning for

995
00:48:40,319 --> 00:48:42,345
this, darn it.
We're going to do this show.


996
00:48:42,353 --> 00:48:44,934
No go where the show goes, Marc
Ronick: yeah, and
especially

997
00:48:44,934 --> 00:48:47,619
with this particular show, with
the morning show,
with so many

998
00:48:47,619 --> 00:48:50,019
voices, it goes in different
directions all the
time.

999
00:48:50,019 --> 00:48:53,187
All right, before we get to
Ralph's, or, yeah, to
Ralph's,

1000
00:48:53,187 --> 00:48:55,059
next scenario.
Sid, had something go ahead.

1001
00:48:55,059 --> 00:48:57,820
Sid, Sid Meadows: yeah, um, so
I'm
going to kind of echo what

1002
00:48:57,820 --> 00:49:01,795
Jonathan just said about off the

cuff, and he and me, Me, I

1003
00:49:01,795 --> 00:49:04,620
mean, we did that yesterday,
Mark, I
didn't really know

1004
00:49:04,620 --> 00:49:07,200
what we're going to talk about
it, right,
general idea, but I

1005
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:08,508
didn't know what the questions
are.

1006
00:49:08,508 --> 00:49:11,550
And, I
mean, I'm good off the
cuff so, and I think you are

1007
00:49:11,550 --> 00:49:13,716
too, and
your other two co
hosts were as well.

1008
00:49:13,716 --> 00:49:16,200
And so I think there's

something magical about that.

1009
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:20,480
And I have a show, a segment

that airs once a month of my

1010
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:25,160
show called Hot takes, that

there's no prep, because I bring

1011
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:29,540
a co host on, and we spin a

wheel of topics, and wherever

1012
00:49:29,540 --> 00:49:33,980
the question lands, we hot take
the answer our thoughts to the

1013
00:49:33,980 --> 00:49:36,680
answer to that question, or

whatever the topic is.

1014
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:40,944
And it's spectacular, because if
you're
confident in who you

1015
00:49:40,944 --> 00:49:44,659
are, what your experience is,
you should
be able to answer

1016
00:49:44,659 --> 00:49:46,960
almost any question, right?
And it's
working so well.

1017
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:50,464
I mean, my audience absolutely
loves that
segment, and I get

1018
00:49:50,464 --> 00:49:52,880
tons of feedback every time that
we do
it.

1019
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:55,552
And I think there's something
magical about off the
cuff.

1020
00:49:55,552 --> 00:49:58,090
I think there's just something
special about sharing
your

1021
00:49:58,090 --> 00:49:59,868
real thoughts and your real
personal.

1022
00:49:59,868 --> 00:50:04,120
That gives in real
time and
not being so prepped that it

1023
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:06,615
just sounds so curated, Marc
Ronick: agreed.

1024
00:50:06,615 --> 00:50:09,732
Thank you,
Sid, and yes, it is
referring to our empowered

1025
00:50:09,732 --> 00:50:13,092
podcasting live
show that we
do every other Wednesday that

1026
00:50:13,092 --> 00:50:15,780
was yesterday.

And if you're curious about it,

1027
00:50:15,780 --> 00:50:20,600
go to podcasting morning

show.com/epc, live, and you will

1028
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:23,252
see yesterday's show right there

embedded on the page.

1029
00:50:23,252 --> 00:50:25,110
You can just press play and
enjoy.

1030
00:50:25,110 --> 00:50:28,735
We
don't put it out as a
podcast, so you got to watch

1031
00:50:28,735 --> 00:50:32,356
that one in
particular as a
YouTube or LinkedIn video.

1032
00:50:32,356 --> 00:50:36,997
Okay, so with
that, Ralph, I'm
going to have you give us one

1033
00:50:36,997 --> 00:50:39,948
more scenario,
and then let's
share some takeaways from

1034
00:50:39,948 --> 00:50:41,680
today's show.
Go
ahead.

1035
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:43,779
All Ralph Estep Jr: right, John,

let's see this scenario.

1036
00:50:43,779 --> 00:50:46,743
Your co host dominates the
conversation
and leaves little

1037
00:50:46,743 --> 00:50:50,919
room for you or the guest.
How do you address
that?

1038
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:54,640
John Jamingo: Okay, I'm sure Bob

gave you this question.

1039
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:57,221
You have to you do have to break
in?

1040
00:50:57,221 --> 00:50:59,946
And
Bob would say, Well, I
don't have anything to say.

1041
00:50:59,946 --> 00:51:03,080
You took
all the good points.
So then I would say to Bob,

1042
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:07,080
okay, this
time you're going
to go first, and then I'll mop

1043
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:10,005
up, like, in
other words,
because I do feel that I listen

1044
00:51:10,005 --> 00:51:12,910
to somebody and
they take
these points, and then I have

1045
00:51:12,910 --> 00:51:14,740
something else to say
after
that.

1046
00:51:14,740 --> 00:51:18,065
And then Bob was like, No, I
don't want to go
first.

1047
00:51:18,065 --> 00:51:21,041
And I'm like, Okay, well, then
you get nothing to say or


1048
00:51:21,049 --> 00:51:23,160
whatever.
I don't know how to do this, but

1049
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:25,745
we're going on the
fly.
Also, Bob says he doesn't like

1050
00:51:25,745 --> 00:51:28,025
over prepping.
Yeah, we
know, we know, but

1051
00:51:28,025 --> 00:51:31,248
every once in a while you gotta
have something
to talk about,

1052
00:51:31,248 --> 00:51:34,359
you know, Marc Ronick: yeah, all
right, Ralph Estep Jr: sounds

1053
00:51:34,359 --> 00:51:35,654
like you
and Bob need a
counselor.

1054
00:51:35,654 --> 00:51:38,810
I Marc Ronick: think so.
Now Ralph Estep Jr: listen, Bob

1055
00:51:38,810 --> 00:51:41,379
did
not send us that question.
Marc Ronick: No, he did not that

1056
00:51:41,379 --> 00:51:45,159
was a pre planned.

And again, John, your website,

1057
00:51:45,159 --> 00:51:48,766
your show, before I ask you my

final question, John Jamingo:

1058
00:51:48,766 --> 00:51:51,760
the boomer bunker.

We live stream 630 Eastern Time,

1059
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:54,804
Mondays and Thursdays.
You can
find us on YouTube,

1060
00:51:54,804 --> 00:51:57,279
Rumble and Twitch.
Marc Ronick: I saw that Kate.

1061
00:51:57,520 --> 00:52:01,731
Kate said D.R.
Fay: 6:30am or 6:30pm John

1062
00:52:01,731 --> 00:52:03,997
Jamingo: I'm sorry.
Okay,
and, and you can find

1063
00:52:03,997 --> 00:52:06,987
all our links to

everything@boomerpunker.com Marc

1064
00:52:06,987 --> 00:52:08,318
Ronick: Awesome.
And I saw
Kate said, You guys

1065
00:52:08,318 --> 00:52:10,859
used to do that five days a
week, the live
stream.

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00:52:11,219 --> 00:52:12,659
John Jamingo: Oh, well, see,

here's what happened.

1067
00:52:12,659 --> 00:52:16,043
Bob says to me on a Sunday
night, I want
to do a live

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00:52:16,043 --> 00:52:17,825
show, a morning show every
morning.

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00:52:17,825 --> 00:52:21,369
And I'm
like, Okay.
And he says, I want to start

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00:52:21,369 --> 00:52:23,014
Monday.
And I said,
That's a horrible

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00:52:23,014 --> 00:52:24,199
idea.
When do we start?

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00:52:24,199 --> 00:52:26,609
So we spent the whole
day
getting everything ready, the

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00:52:26,609 --> 00:52:29,359
name and everything, got the

RSS feed up and everything, and

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00:52:29,359 --> 00:52:31,675
we started Monday.
And we did it
for like, a

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00:52:31,675 --> 00:52:34,927
month, and then it was a grind.
And I said, I can't
do this

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00:52:34,927 --> 00:52:37,021
every day.
So we went to three days, and

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00:52:37,021 --> 00:52:39,679
then we decided
to go to two.
Marc Ronick: Yeah, I don't know

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00:52:39,679 --> 00:52:41,246
how you John Jamingo: do it.
I don't
know how you do Marc

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00:52:41,246 --> 00:52:42,875
Ronick: I don't know how I

don't know how I do it either.

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00:52:42,875 --> 00:52:44,248
I really don't.
I mean John Jamingo: everybody

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00:52:44,248 --> 00:52:45,879
you do.
Marc Ronick: Thank you.


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00:52:45,887 --> 00:52:48,669
Everybody has, everyone has
heard me ad nauseum talk about


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00:52:48,677 --> 00:52:51,443
what I'm gonna do do.
That's why we did we were doing

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00:52:51,443 --> 00:52:54,183
it later,
the later time I'm
hoping is gonna keep things

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00:52:54,183 --> 00:52:57,407
fresh and
engaging for me.
But yes, overall, I just have

1086
00:52:57,407 --> 00:52:59,835
such a
passion for doing this
and meeting with all these

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00:52:59,835 --> 00:53:02,367
people
every day.
That's what keeps me coming back

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00:53:02,367 --> 00:53:04,773
every morning.
So my
question, my final

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00:53:04,773 --> 00:53:09,509
question to you, John, what's
one thing that
every co host

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00:53:09,509 --> 00:53:13,314
should do more often?
John Jamingo: Communicate?

1091
00:53:13,314 --> 00:53:15,143
Okay,
honesty.
Be honest.

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00:53:15,143 --> 00:53:18,840
If something's bothering you,
tell
the other person, even if

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00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:22,468
it's hard to tell the other
person,
because if you keep

1094
00:53:22,468 --> 00:53:25,376
that inside, it festers, and
that leads to
conflict, and

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00:53:25,376 --> 00:53:29,210
then conflict leads to pod fade.
Marc Ronick: I think that's a


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00:53:29,218 --> 00:53:32,768
great, a great scenario.
That's when I again, I didn't


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00:53:32,776 --> 00:53:36,602
communicate, I wasn't being
honest with my co host, and that

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00:53:36,602 --> 00:53:39,058

honestly, then just led to
that pod fade.

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00:53:39,058 --> 00:53:41,902
So yeah, I'm with you
there,
and I think let's see.

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00:53:41,902 --> 00:53:44,670
So if we're wrapping things up,
I
think that we've learned

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00:53:44,670 --> 00:53:48,094
today that chemistry gets the
show
started, communication

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00:53:48,094 --> 00:53:51,400
keeps it going right.
Roles don't have to
be equal,

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00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:56,072
but they do need to be made
clear, and hard
conversations

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00:53:56,072 --> 00:53:58,564
should happen.
Maybe I'm actually I'm going to

1105
00:53:58,564 --> 00:54:01,548
say I wrote this down, but I
don't know that this is true or

1106
00:54:01,548 --> 00:54:02,820
not.
John, you tell me hard

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00:54:02,820 --> 00:54:06,820
conversations should happen off
air early and respectfully.

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00:54:06,820 --> 00:54:09,462
What are your thoughts?
John Jamingo: Oh, that's a tough

1109
00:54:09,462 --> 00:54:10,700

one.
Marc Ronick: Yeah, John Jamingo:

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00:54:10,700 --> 00:54:14,576
sometimes,
sometimes it's fun
to just mix it up on the air.

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00:54:14,576 --> 00:54:18,486
I say if it's
really, really
something that you think that

1112
00:54:18,486 --> 00:54:21,611
they're going to
be upset
about, then off air, but if it's

1113
00:54:21,611 --> 00:54:24,004
something that you
think you
can hash out, sometimes, I would

1114
00:54:24,004 --> 00:54:27,500
say on the
air, Marc Ronick:
yeah, I think that
if it's not

1115
00:54:27,500 --> 00:54:31,400
a if it's not too sensitive of a
subject, I think
doing it on

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00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:34,556
the air can do a lot, right?
Dude, the audience
appreciates

1117
00:54:34,556 --> 00:54:36,470
that.
They like that behind the scenes

1118
00:54:36,470 --> 00:54:39,200
stuff,
especially if it does
include a little bickering, like

1119
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:42,230
you and
Bob often do, John
Jamingo: okay, Kate and I,
mix

1120
00:54:42,230 --> 00:54:44,485
up, mix it up also.
Marc Ronick: And Kate, yes, all

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00:54:44,485 --> 00:54:47,860
right, cool.

Well, that will do it for this

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00:54:47,860 --> 00:54:49,960
episode.
And John, thank you so
much,

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00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:53,820
not just for being here today,
but for being a part of
this

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00:54:53,820 --> 00:54:55,446
community more than just today,
right?

1125
00:54:55,446 --> 00:54:58,654
You, you found us
what, maybe
a month or so ago, I think, Kurt

1126
00:54:58,654 --> 00:55:01,320
through Ralph and.

And you've been a big part of

1127
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:02,795
this moving forward.
So thank
you.

1128
00:55:02,795 --> 00:55:04,524
Appreciate you being a part of
all this.

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00:55:04,524 --> 00:55:05,785
Really, I John Jamingo: gotta
thank Ralph.


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00:55:05,793 --> 00:55:08,260
When I first met Ralph, and I
found out he was a Christian


1131
00:55:08,268 --> 00:55:09,684
podcaster.
He, you know, I didn't say

1132
00:55:09,684 --> 00:55:12,000
anything about my
show, and
then he started listening to my

1133
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:14,295
show, and then
he told me, he
says I listened to your show.

1134
00:55:14,295 --> 00:55:16,110
And I went, Oh, my
God, I had
a heart attack.

1135
00:55:16,110 --> 00:55:19,964
And I was like, sorry.
So I found out
I'm his guilty

1136
00:55:19,964 --> 00:55:22,100
pleasure, and I love that.
I know you'll have
that.

1137
00:55:22,220 --> 00:55:24,355
Marc Ronick: Yeah, that's

awesome.

1138
00:55:24,355 --> 00:55:27,240
Yeah, yeah.
All right, I'll just bite my

1139
00:55:27,240 --> 00:55:28,420
tongue.
Thank
you, John.

1140
00:55:28,420 --> 00:55:31,850
I appreciate it, and thank you
all for being a part
of this

1141
00:55:31,850 --> 00:55:33,590
great conversation.
And remember, we're back

1142
00:55:33,590 --> 00:55:36,252
tomorrow,
Fridays.
It's our wins from the week

1143
00:55:36,252 --> 00:55:38,716
segment.
We will share our
wins from

1144
00:55:38,716 --> 00:55:41,344
this past week.
Each individual will share at

1145
00:55:41,344 --> 00:55:44,948
least
one win that we want to
celebrate together as a


1146
00:55:44,956 --> 00:55:48,780
community, and we'll be diving
into the mailbag, answering your

1147
00:55:48,780 --> 00:55:51,974

podcasting questions, giving
you our advice, our experiences,

1148
00:55:51,974 --> 00:55:56,670
to
help you with your podcast.
So until tomorrow, make it a

1149
00:55:56,670 --> 00:55:57,816
great
day.
Everybody.

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00:55:57,816 --> 00:55:58,960
Take care.
You.