486. Podcasting Shake-Up: AI Is Changing the Game

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Good morning podcasting Morning
Chat.

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Today is Wednesday, April 1st,
2026 and today it's our news and

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Comment edition.
Podcast metrics are leveling up,

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the IRS is tightening the screws
on creators, and another fully

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automated podcasting tool has
some podcasters on edge.

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Good morning again Podcasting
morning chat Thank you so much

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for being here.
I am your host Mark Ronic and

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currently on stage with me.
My Co hosts we have Alex

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Baelish, Ralphie Step, Dr. Fay
Janaid Ahmed has joined us as

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well.
Sid Meadows, BC Babbles, Nick

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Naulback.
And from the audience, once

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again, our good friend Tide AKA
Nikki is on stage with us.

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And I do want to say this stage
is open to anybody listening

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live here on Clubhouse.
You are welcome to be up here,

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join the conversation.
And if you have your own

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questions about podcasting, even
if you feel like it has nothing

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to do with what we're talking
about, we don't care.

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We're here to serve our
community.

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And if you have something on
your mind, something pressing

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that you'd like an opinion on, I
want to hear from you.

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And I would love to hear it from
your voice more than I would

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like to see it from the chat
room.

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So feel free to come up and join
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All right, a couple of
housekeeping items for you

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before we dig deep into the news
today.

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First, today at 1:00 PM Eastern,
we are going live again on

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YouTube, Clubhouse, LinkedIn,
etcetera, with our new special

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series, Empowered Podcasting
Live.

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It's going to be hosted by me
and my 2 business partners,

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Jason Zircon and Rich Perry.
We'll have, of course, a special

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guest and title sponsor, Ralph
Estep of Content Creators

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Accountant.
And we'll also give you updates,

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special announcements, including
our new creator partner program

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designed to give our community
members more visibility in the

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podcasting industry.
That's all I'll say about it

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right now.
So come join us at 1:00 PM

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Eastern if you if that's of
interest to you.

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And of course, to find US live
streaming, the easiest place to

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go would be Podcasting Morning
chat.com/join us and then you

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can choose the streaming
platform of your choice,

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including Clubhouse.
So we'll do Clubhouse, YouTube,

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LinkedIn, Facebook.
I believe it'll all be the same

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streaming platforms, but the
focus will be on the Empowered

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Podcasting Conference, the
community, etcetera.

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So please come join us if you
can put that on your calendar

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and come join us at 1:00 PM
Eastern.

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Also Speaking of community, Dr.
has something she wanted to

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share, some community news if
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Go ahead, DRODR. Do I need my
cricket sounds?

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I'm.
On mute.

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Sorry, I was on.
Mute.

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So.
So in our group, we have someone

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by the name of Stephen Kofer.
Am I pronouncing that right,

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Kofer.
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OK, and he has posted a
beautiful picture of he and his

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niece with the headphones on the
whole bit and the post reads.

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Shout out to Janaid for the tip
on the New York Times student

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podcast competition.
I helped my niece produce a

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short series for a high school
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And again, the picture is great.
They're sitting with a bunch of

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gear in front of them and it's a
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Yeah, yeah.
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That's something discussed, I
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Was it last week on the news
that we did this and Janae

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brought that to our attention,
that it was New York Times?

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Was that what it was?
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was, yeah.
Or maybe Janae, you can tell us,

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yeah.
Yes, it is New York Times that

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is opened up submission for
youth podcasters and they're

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going to feature that podcast
Whoever wins on your times on.

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Yeah, pretty cool.
Yeah, thank you for bringing

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that.
And that is the beauty of this

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community, right?
And that and one of the reasons

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why we share different events
here on the podcasting morning

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Chat.
You never know who's going to

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want to take advantage of it.
And so cool to see an uncle and

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his niece working together to
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So, yeah, congratulations to
Steven and his niece.

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Great picture too, by the way.
You can find that in our

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Facebook group Empowered
Podcasting.

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If you want to see that picture,
you can go for it over there.

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OK, last thing yesterday we
talked about a potential name

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change to the podcasting morning
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I told you that chat felt, and I
think most people agreed with

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me, chat felt a little too
casual and changing the name

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from Podcasting Morning Chat to
Podcasting Morning show felt a

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lot better and it seemed like a
lot of you agreed with me.

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There was one hang up.
The hang up was we often call

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podcasting morning chat, the
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change the name to show it would
be the PMS. And some of us were

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finding that a little funny.
But it did stick with me and I

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decided that maybe that's not
the route I want to go.

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So I've decided I'm going to go
a totally different route and I

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want your feedback.
But I this is what I wanted.

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I'm going to move up BC with the
I roll.

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I want to change this to
something that still represents

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that we're a morning show.
But again, I want to avoid the

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the abbreviation and I want your
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Even though I'm I'm moving
forward with it, but I still

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want to hear good morning
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What do you think?
Any thoughts 'cause that will be

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the official name.
I think as of I was going to

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wait till episode 500.
I think I'm going to go with

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Monday as the official name I'm
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Robin, I'm hearing Robin
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Good Morning, podcasting.
Yeah, that was kind of the

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inspiration.
BCI.

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Like it, though, I've got to
say, there's a little something

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that I'm not sure about when it
comes to like too many Ings

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back-to-back like that.
So I wonder if like it should at

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some point be podcast as opposed
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So I thought about that.
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Sounds good, but that's like the
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I'm not sure how I like the
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And Nick is saying in the chat
here podcaster but interesting

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because good morning podcasting
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Also lots of INGSI go back and
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I like the ING sometimes, other
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off the tongue to remove that.
Yes, Sid, go ahead.

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Good morning, everybody.
So this last couple of minutes

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is kind of like you're sitting
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your parents are saying, guess
what, we're going to Disney

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World.
Oh, April Fool's.

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If it's April Fool's stoves,
Mark, we're actually going to

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Six Flags.
So I've made the decision and

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you don't get to voice your
opinion, but I want your

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opinion.
What do you think about?

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It Oh God, it's too funny.
I actually.

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Like it.
It sounds really good, Mark,

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good morning Podcasting.
I think it sounds it's got a lot

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of energy with it, especially if
you say it the way you said it a

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minute ago.
And it's much better than

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Welcome to the PMS Show.
Well Sid, you hold on BC I'm

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just going to stop it right
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Sid got me.
He called it out.

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That was an April Fool's joke.
I really don't think I wanted to

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go that route.
Although I will say that Sid, I

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would say Ralph fully agrees
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He likes good morning
podcasting, but that really

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wasn't the route.
I think podcasting morning show

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is really the way I want to go.
But now you guys of course are

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making me double think
everything and I was just trying

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to make a joke here so.
Martin, what about the morning

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podcast show?
Yeah, I think that was thrown

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around too.
I don't like that it doesn't

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flow off the tongue as much for
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How about just leave it?
How about just leave it to

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podcasting morning chat?
I don't understand why I

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honestly, I, I, I think it's no
whatever.

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Well, we did see that it would
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It might lend itself better to
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We talked a little bit about
that yesterday and Matt did a

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little research as well offline
and shared some of that with me

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too.
But yeah, OK, it was a joke.

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So maybe what?
Not the best April Fool's joke

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I've ever I've ever had, but
nonetheless an April Fool's

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joke.
And I do have a counter to the

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whole PMS thing, Mark, OK, we
just need to change the initials

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to the podcasting morning show.
So then it'd be TP Ms. so we

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avoid the whole PM.
True, but there's still PMS

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there.
It's still in it.

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All right, I got to move on.
OOP, wrong button.

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Sorry.
Let's dig in to the news for

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this past week.
So these are all the stories

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that have come up since last
Wednesday around the world of

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podcasting, and I'd like to
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podcast data for you first.
Over the past week, 582,585

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podcasts published at least one
new episode, which is up 4.1%

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from the previous week.
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almost 2.5 million podcasts
published at least one new

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episode.
That's up almost 10% from the

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previous month.
And before I go to Dr. and her

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top five, I do want to just
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Forbes posted an article
recently that argues that

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podcasting is getting better at
measuring what actually matters,

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not just downloads, but actual
business results.

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That matters to brands that are
looking for a better ROI return

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on investment.
And it matters to podcasters,

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especially indie creators,
because stronger measurement

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could help prove that smaller,
more trusted shows can

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outperform bigger names.
So the article points to new,

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newer measurement tools,
especially Oxford Roads.

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Orbit ORBIT, as evidence that
podcasting can now track

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performance with more precision
than many advertisers may

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assume.
Orbit says it's built on

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campaign results from more than
500 advertisers and $1.6 billion

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in annual spend.
And the big theme here is the

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shift away from the vanity
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Orbitz pitch is that it ranks
podcasts by ROI and conversion

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performance, not by download,
celebrity or chart positions.

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So that's especially relevant
for DIY and indie podcasters

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because Oxford Road says 80% of
its top performing shows are

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independent, not part of major
networks. 1 Oxford Rd.

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Data Point says independent
shows are 37% more likely to hit

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advertiser targets than major
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For brands, that take away is
that podcast buying may need to

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become more outcome driven, with
more attention paid to audience

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trust and conversion, not scale.
That's an inference from the

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ranking model Oxford Road is
promoting.

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And for podcasters, the bigger
opportunity is positioning.

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If advertisers keep moving
toward performance based

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measurement, indie creators may
have a stronger case to make

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them they ever had before.
That's an inference, but it's

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supported by the articles focus
on better metrics and Oxford

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roads indie heavy results.
So again, the best thing for you

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as a podcaster didn't know with
this is use some of this data to

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make your case when you're
pitching to partners, to

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sponsors, to collaborators,
excetera people that you may not

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know a lot about this game.
And I think if you can provide

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and point to places like Forbes,
places like Oxford, I think

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their orbit tool, I think you're
you can make of a stronger case

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for yourself.
All right, let's go to Dr. with

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the top fives before it's egg
cooking time.

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Go ahead, Dr. All right, so this
is Spotify's top five at #5 We

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have Crime Junkie at #4 we have
the Sean Ryan show at #3 start

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that Timpani is good.
Hang with Amy Poehler #2 is Call

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Her Daddy with Alex Cooper at
the number one show is the Joey

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Rogan Experience.
That's right, the same 5 pretty

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much as usual.
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Random top five of the week.
Go for it.

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Yeah, so this one's interesting
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Good Pods and this Good Pods
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listens, ratings, comments,
subscriptions and shares.

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OK, So it's the criteria is
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So #5 is the apology line number
4 is betwixt the sheets, The

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history of sex scandal and
society #3 is Call Me Back with

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Dan Senior.
Number 2 is on Being with Krista

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Tepit and the number one show
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To have to wait a second.
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open.
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Cool.
Yeah, Thank you.

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Thank you, Dr. So that comes
from Good Pods, a wonderful app

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for podcast consumption, I'll
call it.

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And yeah, it's really a real
focus, more so toward the indie

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podcasters, the DIY podcasting,
etcetera.

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I love Good Pods.
I actually need to use it more.

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Sometimes I forget just 'cause
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default, which is usually Apple
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experience more when I'm using
Good Pods.

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So yeah, give them a try, check
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Thank you, Dr. Appreciate that.
And let's yeah, that was right.

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Is that the old Stinger?
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I can't remember now.
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next just to see.
Let's get into some events

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around the world of podcasting
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content creators.
News bite, Business bite.

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I should say first, this is a
new one we haven't talked about

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yet, the Podcasting Moms
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This is a one day conference
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podcasters.
It's creating space for creators

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who are balancing content,
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Focused on practical growth
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It highlights how marketing,
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actually fit into a busy real
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This happens April 20th.
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that's happening in Franklin,
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That's outside of Nashville.
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that out at
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Military Creator Con is coming.

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It's a conference built for a
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entrepreneurs, storytellers and
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That's happening April 16th
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TX.
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this community that will be
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workshop panels, conversations
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creativity, media, business and
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So check out Military Creator
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also Empowered Podcasting 3.
I've talked about it a lot

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already as far as we're going to
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with all the things going on
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Empowered Podcasting 3 is coming
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23rd, happening once again in
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accepting speaker applications.
We are accepting them for two

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more weeks.
I believe April 15th is the cut

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off date.
I know that's probably a trigger

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word for Ralph when you say
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empoweredpodcasting.com/speakers.

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And I just realized I should
have had this ready to go.

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Quick tip.
Smart moves.

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Yeah.
Content creators.

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Business fight.
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Bite, Business Bite is brought
to you by the guy who's about to

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host it, Ralph Estep, Junior of
Content creatorsaccountant.com.

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Ralph is a licensed accountant
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30 years of experience.
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contentcreatorsaccountant.com,
he helps creators stop guessing

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about taxes, money, and turning
financial chaos into clarity.

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Working with Ralph has been one
of the best decisions my wife

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and I have made, and I encourage
you to check it out.

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Check him out at his website,
contentcreatorsaccountant.com.

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OK, Ralph, what do you got for
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Well, let me say something that
might make you a bit

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uncomfortable today.
Some of you in the room are one

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ordered away from a very bad
year and you don't even know it.

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I was reading an article from
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reality.
The IRS is now actively

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increasing enforcement on side
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So this isn't theoretical
anymore.

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I've mentioned this on the show
before that they might come

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after this.
This is the truth.

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Because of the Inflation
Reduction Act, the IRS now has

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more agents, they've got better
systems and they're doing what's

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called real time data matching,
which means they don't have to

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guess anymore, they can just
compare.

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Let me aint a picture for you.
If you file your tax return and

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you report what you think you
made behind the scenes, the IRS

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already knows things.
They already get a copy of your

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1090 nines from the platforms,
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And they also, believe it or
not, have access to your bank

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account for deposit patterns.
And when the numbers don't

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match, you get a notice.
Not a warning, a notice.

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notice turns into requests for
documentation, requests for bank

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statements.
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And if you can't roduce them,
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The IRS is going to fill in the
blanks for you and they don't

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guess in your favor.
O let me be blunt.

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Some of you right now, and I've
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before, are mixing personal and
business money.

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You're not tracking your income
properly.

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You're guessing at deductions,
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nothing gets noticed.
That's not a system, that's

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exposure.
And here's what shocks a lot of

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people.
If you made over $400.00, you're

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already in their game.
You owe self-employment tax

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whether you like it or not.
Now, a lot of creators think the

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risk is low because, well, it's
just a side hustle.

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I was listening to the show this
morning.

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They were talking about, oh,
it's just a side thing.

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That's not correct.
It's traceable income and now

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it's highly visible income.
And listen, I work with craters

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every day.
I'm telling you, the one who

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gets hurt are not the ones
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They've got teams of accounts.
They got people working for

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them.
It's the ones who are

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unorganized, unaware, and
unprepared.

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You don't have a tax problem.
You got a system problem.

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So as I said before, protect
yourself, separate your money,

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track everything, build a tax
vault and stop guessing.

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So I want to throw this out to
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Let me ask you something.
If you got audited tomorrow, you

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got that dreaded IRS letter or
that state tax letter, would you

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be ready or would you be
scrambling?

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Because the truth is, the IRS is
not getting more lenient.

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They're getting smarter.
And the creators who survived

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this shift won't be the most
creative.

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They're going to be the most
organized.

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And that's your content creators
business bite for today.

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Thank you, Ralph.
Appreciate that.

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And yeah, if I don't know if
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to, I don't want to just breeze
right by this, but yeah, OK, If

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anybody has any questions or
comments about this, by all

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means, you are welcome to chime
in.

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Yes, I was right.
I was playing the wrong news

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Stinger before.
Although I guess there's nothing

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wrong about it, it definitely
still works.

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OK, let's keep things going
here.

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This is just a quick news bite.
Sometimes we've got some stories

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that I just find might be
interesting to share but may not

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have a lot of discussion.
Alex Cooper trades podcast drama

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for reality TV chaos.
That's the headline.

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I'll go further here.
Alex Cooper is taking her Unwell

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brand, that's the name of it,
into reality TV territory.

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The Call Her Daddy host is
launching a new video series

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called Unwell Winter Games where
16 contestants will battle it

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out over 4 days of mental and
physical challenges.

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Inside a park inside Park City,
UT.

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Inside a chalet there in Park
City, UT.

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The show drops on YouTube
starting April 6th and leans

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hard into competition, shifting
alliances and the kind of messy

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drama the Unwell brand thrives
on.

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Cooper stays off camera this
time, serving as executive

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producer alongside her husband
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Kaplan.
I got to think this is somewhat

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inspired by creators like, say,
Mr. Beast, who does this all the

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time, these competitive types of
YouTube shows and channels.

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So yeah, curious to see.
I'm sure she will be successful.

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She she tends to have a lot of
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We will see how that goes.
And I'm going to keep it moving

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and actually go to UBC if you
don't mind, because I know you

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have AI news for us and you also
have a story about podcasting

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infiltrating the airlines, not
the airwaves, the airlines.

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Let's hear from you BC good
morning.

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Yes, we do, and we'll skip the
AI one for the second story

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because I'm not sure how to feel
about that one yet.

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Hashtag Skynet.
So firstly, we'll discuss

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British Airways bringing brand
new audiobook and podcast

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offerings on board.
They have teamed up with

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Audible, the leading creator and
provider of premium audio

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storytelling, to bring brand new
spoken word entertainment to

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their customers at 35,000 and
feet.

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The package will include over
250 hours of podcasts and

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audiobooks for all customers to
enjoy during their long haul

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flights.
And the genres will include

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action, romance, pop culture and
children's content, with a

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particular focus on shows that
showcase British talent.

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So like home grown authors,
actors and stories.

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And for someone who knows they
just finished up the whole Harry

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Potter audio book series.
I'm super excited.

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Not that I have any new plans to
go to British airlines, but when

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I do, that'll be what I look
into.

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So great new content for British
airway customers to enjoy.

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Now the AI part.
I want to stop you real quick

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because just a quick question
because you just mentioned Harry

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Potter, are you excited about
the new HBOTV series that's

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coming out?
I saw the trailer and I got to

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say I got a little worked up.
I'm excited.

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I think it looked good.
It was well done.

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I do hate, hate, hate, quadruple
hate that the actor who's

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portraying Snake was getting so
much stupid heat for stupid

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reasons, and I'm going to leave
that there.

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But very excited, Yes,
personally very, very excited.

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Yeah, I see Nick is also
excited.

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He just flashed us the fire
emoji, so he's excited too.

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It looked really good.
Yeah, go ahead.

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Is this the one that Stephen
Colbert is going to be writing,

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or is that a feature film that
you go to theaters for?

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BC do you know?
There should be a whole series.

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I don't know if Steve.
'Cause you know that Stephen

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Colbert got the gig of writing
the new either movie or oh.

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We'll have to look that up.
I don't know.

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I mean, I did, I think.
I'm getting my Harry Potters

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mixed up with my.
Oh, Sid has something.

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Maybe Sid can help us with this.
Let's see, you know I can't help

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her, so there's no.
Help.

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But but I am curious, I saw the
trailer for this TV series and

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the scenes they were showing it
all looked very similar to the

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movie series.
For fans, is it any different or

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is it just going to be exactly
the same script, if you will,

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just now in the TV format?
Based on the trailer, it looks

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like it'll be including more
nuanced moments from the books

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that the movie is just based on.
Timing could not fit into the

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story, so I'm hoping it'll fill
in some of those gaps that the

453
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:44,640
book readers probably didn't get
during the original film series.

454
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:47,280
OK, there you go.
Based on what I saw.

455
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:49,160
Yeah, OK.
And I don't think Stephen

456
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:51,960
Colbert, Colbert has anything to
do with this show.

457
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,160
But I could be wrong.
But what I'm looking at here, I,

458
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:57,600
I'm not seeing anything at first
glance, but we'll get back to

459
00:26:57,600 --> 00:26:59,720
you and let you know.
All right, BC you said the next

460
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,400
story is the your Skynet story
of the week.

461
00:27:03,120 --> 00:27:04,480
Yeah, so.
Lord of the Rings.

462
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:06,320
He's going to be writing Lord of
the Rings.

463
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:09,080
Yeah, bottom line is.
If you're not a Harry Potter or

464
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:11,320
a Lord of the Rings person,
there's plenty of other podcasts

465
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:12,800
for you to enjoy on British
Airways.

466
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:17,880
So yes, my concerning story for
today is about a platform called

467
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:23,280
Pod Claw, which is podcast
hosting built specifically for

468
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:27,560
AI agents.
So this means that this platform

469
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:31,240
has nothing to do with humans.
There's no dashboard, no user

470
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:33,400
interface, no manual upload
flow.

471
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:36,520
This is done for API calls.
There's going to be a lot of

472
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:38,000
jargon in here.
I'm going to try to avoid the

473
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:39,600
jargon because it's very
technical.

474
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:42,440
But bottom line here is that
this is a podcast hosting

475
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:46,520
platform for bots that publish
consistent content.

476
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:52,160
So the core concept here with
Pod Claw, it's fully API driven

477
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:54,960
podcasting.
It becomes where podcasting is

478
00:27:54,960 --> 00:28:00,240
completely programmable.
It's designed for autonomous AI

479
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:03,480
content pipelines.
End to end automation is the

480
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:07,000
real product here.
And yeah, it's basically kind of

481
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:11,560
the idea of like if a business
wants the business to, sorry, if

482
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:14,760
a business owner wants their
business to have an affiliated

483
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:19,160
content podcast or podcast
content series, they can tell

484
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:23,680
Pod Claw to create one, but
otherwise have nothing to do

485
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:27,200
with the podcast.
The Pod Claw uses bots to just

486
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:30,480
create content and podcast
format.

487
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:34,360
And this for me is kind of like,
well, this is going to hit the

488
00:28:34,360 --> 00:28:37,560
podcasting world in some crazy
ways, right?

489
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,800
Because podcasting from this
point is going to become machine

490
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:44,160
generated at scale.
Content volume is going to

491
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:47,320
explode potentially because then
we have all this, all these bots

492
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:50,120
creating content in a podcast
platform.

493
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:54,080
That means discovery for all
other podcasters will become a

494
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:57,160
real battleground.
And it'll even change the

495
00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:59,760
definition of what a podcast
creator is.

496
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,320
So I know we've we talked about
AIA lot on this show.

497
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:07,080
I want to hear from the group
like we now have bots creating

498
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,760
autonomous podcasting through
pod claw.

499
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:14,640
It's and it's being purposely
set up to where there's no need

500
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:19,320
for human whatsoever as aside
from the original inherent

501
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:22,520
request of make this business a
podcast.

502
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:24,720
That is it.
So what does the group think

503
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:26,440
about this?
All right, let's see.

504
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:27,960
I know a couple people want to
chime in.

505
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:31,880
I'm going to go to Sid first,
then Nick, then Ralph.

506
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:36,280
Go ahead, Sid.
So this story makes me cringe BC

507
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:37,280
they make me.
Cringe.

508
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:40,360
Preach.
My first like I was searching

509
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:43,240
for an emoji AY emoji to tap
onto your face.

510
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:45,800
Like why?
Like why?

511
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:51,400
Businesses run on people and
people resources.

512
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:54,480
Businesses need people to buy
from them.

513
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:59,480
If you're a business owner, why
would you lean into an AI only

514
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:03,520
platform to create all of your
content and tell your story

515
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:05,760
without your intervention?
You just give it a prompt and it

516
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:07,440
goes off and it does it
automatically.

517
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,480
People do business with people.
There should always be a human

518
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:12,440
in your story.
I wish Jonathan were here to

519
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:15,600
talk about storytelling.
This is crazy, and I think it's

520
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:17,760
crazy for business owners to
lean into this.

521
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:20,040
Now what'll happen is, oh, it'll
be so easy.

522
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:21,720
I can create a content, blah,
blah, blah.

523
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:23,280
Yeah, it's not going to work
that way.

524
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:26,120
And I do think some of the
things you said at the very end

525
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:29,880
about the impact to the creator
and search results and all that,

526
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:32,640
I think that's probably
overstated.

527
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:34,600
I don't know if that's you or if
that was the article saying.

528
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:38,480
I think that's probably
overstated because we listen to

529
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:40,760
podcasts because of people, not
because of a bot.

530
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:43,080
We find our favorite creators,
we go listen to them on a

531
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:45,680
regular basis or our favorite
stories that are being told.

532
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:47,320
I mean, listen to them on a
regular basis because we're

533
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:50,520
listening to the people, because
we have a desire to connect with

534
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:52,440
people and we want to hear from
people.

535
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:55,360
So I think this is a crazy idea
and I don't understand why they

536
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:58,080
would want to do this.
Yeah, well, part of the reason I

537
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:00,880
said the the whole thing about
discoverability and impacting

538
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,880
people and and I'll be very
honest here, it's because I

539
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:08,760
didn't know until recently some
of the quote UN quote artists

540
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,880
that I've been like having on
replay for Spotify.

541
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:15,400
They're not real people.
I've been listening to AI

542
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:19,320
artists on Spotify that I
thought were real people for

543
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:21,320
months.
And I've had their songs, the

544
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:25,440
replay, and I think the fact
that it took me so long to

545
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:29,320
realize that these are not real
people with these songs on

546
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:33,080
Spotify that have been in like
my top, like Spotify Wrapped

547
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:35,880
from 2025.
That's what has me thinking

548
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,920
like, if this is a podcasting
thing now, it might cause

549
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:42,360
potential, some real potential
discoverability issues for human

550
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:44,800
podcasters.
But I mean, that might just be,

551
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:46,120
again, more of a mere point of
view.

552
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:50,680
But again, if Spotify AI artists
are that effective, how

553
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:52,720
effective will the AI podcasters
be?

554
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:55,840
Yeah, that's a great question.
I will say, 'cause that reminded

555
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:59,600
me when you mentioned Spotify
and the AI content that's there.

556
00:31:59,920 --> 00:32:04,160
I mean, Spotify has their own AI
stuff.

557
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:07,720
I, for lack of a better word,
including their DJ.

558
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:13,280
They have an AIDJ and that DJ
will talk to you by name.

559
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,320
And I've got to say, like, I
just used it again.

560
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:19,880
I use it often and I just used
it most recently on my road trip

561
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:23,280
back from North Carolina or back
from Maryland to North Carolina.

562
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:28,440
And I've got to say like, I know
it's AI generated and I kind of

563
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:31,160
like it.
I like that the DJ is talking to

564
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:33,320
me.
I like that, you know, he quote

565
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:36,120
UN quote knows my taste and he
sets it up.

566
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:40,080
OK, here's some music that you
were listening a lot to in 2022,

567
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:42,240
starting with such and such
artists.

568
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:43,800
There's something about it that
I'm drawn to.

569
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:47,200
I do like it, even though I know
it's AI driven.

570
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:51,640
I'm not trying to make a case
for podcast created, you know,

571
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:54,400
by AI.
But yeah, for sure I there are

572
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:56,760
some cases where I think it does
work.

573
00:32:58,040 --> 00:32:59,200
Yeah.
And I think in that instance,

574
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:01,440
though, it's more like that's
almost the Spotify's Alexa,

575
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:04,440
right, where she's helping
coordinate your request into a

576
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:08,480
result, but she's not herself
the actual result you're looking

577
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,280
for.
So it's almost like we're not

578
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:15,400
getting a brand new AI system
that helps us find podcasts or

579
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:18,960
helps us, that helps us generate
podcasts for humans to create.

580
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:23,880
It's that the bot is the result.
Yeah.

581
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:25,640
All right.
I know other people want to

582
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:28,720
chime in.
Let me go to Nick and then I

583
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:31,000
Janae, I see you.
I'll come to you ASAP.

584
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:34,600
Go ahead, Nick.
So I, I kind of feel like this

585
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:38,320
is the next evolution of Mult
book.

586
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:42,120
And for anyone who's not
familiar with Mult book or Open

587
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:45,240
Claw or any of the, the really
intense AI agent stuff that's

588
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:48,880
going on right now, it was
essentially a social media

589
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:54,440
platform that you could give
your open Claw agent the ability

590
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:57,560
to participate in.
And it basically became a

591
00:33:57,560 --> 00:33:59,920
platform where AI is just
talking to AI.

592
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:04,480
It's like Reddit, but for only
AI, Like no human users can

593
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:07,600
actually go in there.
And it automatically goes in at

594
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:12,520
specified intervals, scans
what's been posted, replies to

595
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:15,679
other AI posts, creates its own
AI posts.

596
00:34:15,679 --> 00:34:18,960
And it's like all just AI
talking to AI kind of thing.

597
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:22,000
And I kind of feel like this is
the next evolution of that.

598
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:27,280
And I personally feel like it is
such a massive waste of

599
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:30,080
resources.
Like the Motebook stuff to me

600
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:33,120
was it was entertaining.
It was funny to kind of see what

601
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:38,080
the AI, how it interacts and how
like the existential crisis from

602
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:42,120
within kind of thing that these
AI conversations like evolved

603
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:44,560
into.
But for what reason?

604
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:47,480
Like to what end is kind of
where I'm at with it.

605
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:52,159
Like I just, I don't understand
the reason of just setting an AI

606
00:34:52,159 --> 00:34:56,480
to say, OK, every week publish a
podcast episode and like, is it

607
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:58,840
actually going to be in an RSS
feed?

608
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:02,160
Is it all going to be kind of
internally housed where you just

609
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:06,480
go to like the AI podcast
Spotify version?

610
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:10,280
Like there's a lot of questions
I have with it, but I I'm not as

611
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:15,320
concerned about the the
information dilution as I am

612
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:18,320
just the massive amount of
resources that are going to get

613
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:22,840
expended and wasted for nothing.
Yeah, I think that's a great

614
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,640
point.
And I know that the younger

615
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:29,720
generations feel really strongly
about how we're using AI and how

616
00:35:29,720 --> 00:35:33,320
it's really hurting our
environment and wasting

617
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:35,840
resources, etcetera.
And I mean, I know that there

618
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:38,320
are older generations that feel
that way, too, but I just know

619
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:41,280
that the younger generation
seems to be making more noise

620
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:43,280
about it.
And I would say rightfully so.

621
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,160
And yeah, I think that's a great
point, Nick.

622
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:47,000
That's something.
Yeah.

623
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:49,440
It's like, why are we wasting
the resources there?

624
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:54,520
Let me go to Ralph and then
Janae, and then let's move on to

625
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:55,960
the next story.
Go ahead, Ralph.

626
00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:59,480
I really don't understand the
issue here.

627
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:03,840
I am the AI bot.
What is the problem with this?

628
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:07,240
What is the issue here?
What do you mean you're the A?

629
00:36:07,240 --> 00:36:10,080
Oh, it's not working buddy.
Oh, it's not.

630
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:13,840
Working.
No, now I'm not hearing you at

631
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,080
all.
Ralph was trying to do a sound

632
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:20,280
effect and it failed miserably.
Yeah, that's not cool.

633
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:24,000
Sorry about that guys.
Sorry, Ralph.

634
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:26,240
OK, we can edit that out later
if you'd like.

635
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:30,680
I was all ready to go with the
AI bot responding back to us.

636
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:33,440
Like this, right?
You were trying to do this?

637
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:37,200
Yeah, this is the robot voice
that I chose.

638
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:40,440
Trying to see if there are
others, but yes, there you.

639
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:42,480
Go here or you.
Can type like this and I am a

640
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:45,320
robot and an AI generated
podcast.

641
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:48,960
You can catch me every Monday.
All right, let me turn that off.

642
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:50,960
OK?
Yes, that's what Ralph was

643
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:52,520
trying.
To do, that's exactly what I was

644
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:56,000
trying to do, but man, it was a
April Fools on the road caster

645
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,720
for me.
Janae, did you want to get the

646
00:36:58,720 --> 00:37:02,200
final word on this AI podcast
content stuff?

647
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,760
Yeah.
So it's technically not really

648
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:09,160
AI podcast.
It's a system that enables you

649
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:12,160
to use AI agents to publish your
podcast.

650
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:15,640
Because currently we have to
upload our podcast episodes

651
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:18,200
manually.
We have to fill out the forms.

652
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:19,840
We have to do all of those
things manually.

653
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:23,320
But this enables that.
Let's say you have a production

654
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:27,720
going on, you drop all your
episodes that you recorded in a

655
00:37:27,720 --> 00:37:31,440
Google Drive folder.
Now your AI bot can take that

656
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:34,680
episode and publish it for you.
That's what this really is.

657
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:39,400
Because right now with Spotify,
Apple, like none of these

658
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:44,000
platforms have an API that
enables you to upload content to

659
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,480
their website.
You have to manually go to all

660
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:51,320
of these platforms.
This host enables you to create

661
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:55,440
that show via API.
So think about all the things

662
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:59,840
that you guys just said and I'll
think again what this really

663
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:02,640
means.
Thank you Janae, that really

664
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:05,400
important and I'm glad that
you're here to make that

665
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:09,000
distinction and we still an
important conversation that we

666
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:13,280
just had about AI because we do
know that the AI is out there

667
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:18,640
generating content on its own
with AI generated voices

668
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:21,120
etcetera.
But this is really important.

669
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:24,120
I am super appreciative that you
called that out, Janae.

670
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:27,800
I kept hearing.
It AI is not creating content on

671
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:30,240
its own.
Let's just come back and think

672
00:38:30,240 --> 00:38:32,080
about that.
Why is AI creating content?

673
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:35,000
It's the people behind the AI.
Well, sure, who are creating the

674
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:36,440
content, right?
So think about that.

675
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:39,480
Like people who are creating
content, they're behind.

676
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:43,720
Like there's a person behind an
AIAI doesn't have any agenda.

677
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:46,480
It's the people who have an
agenda that are using these

678
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:51,720
tools and the way that they are.
So just to ring that bell again,

679
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:53,520
here's what's happening.
Thanks guys.

680
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:57,480
Yeah, and it's really, if it's
not already here, it's pretty

681
00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:01,000
darn close to being able to
generate it by itself.

682
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:04,560
I mean, with this whole open
claw, and who knows what Pod

683
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:07,160
Claw is going to do.
I mean, it could get to the

684
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:11,360
point where it does create the
podcast automatically from start

685
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:13,800
to finish it with the right
commands, right?

686
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:17,960
Like you, you could tell it to
go to 11 labs, create a voice,

687
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:23,880
follow a script, generate the
episode, publish it like Pod

688
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:26,720
Claw does for you now, etcetera
like that.

689
00:39:26,720 --> 00:39:29,040
That is all very possible at
this point.

690
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:32,680
Yeah, 100%, yeah.
BC did you want to chime in?

691
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:35,720
From my understanding, that's
that's what it is doing.

692
00:39:35,720 --> 00:39:37,800
So I put in the chat, but I'll
iterate here.

693
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:42,040
So what the people involved do,
they set it up, they provide the

694
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:46,160
API key, they define the goal
topic, niche and then they own

695
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:49,080
the output.
From there, the bots generate

696
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:53,200
the topics, write scripts,
create the audio voice, publish

697
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:56,640
the episodes, and then repeat
that indefinitely for however

698
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:59,240
long the people want the podcast
to run.

699
00:40:00,240 --> 00:40:03,240
Yeah, I'm looking at some of the
features here and it shows like

700
00:40:03,240 --> 00:40:07,760
4 of 4 commands that it's
touting here.

701
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:12,080
It says 1 is Step 1, you get an
AI, an API key.

702
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:15,960
Step 2, create a show.
That's literally one of the

703
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:20,160
commands that it has is to
actually create a show for you.

704
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:22,640
And then next step, publish an
episode.

705
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:25,280
Next step, get your live RSS
feed.

706
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:28,200
So these are all all already
there.

707
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:30,880
So I think it's actually, I
think the conclusion we've come

708
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:34,080
to here is it's both.
It's what Janae has shared and

709
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:37,240
what BC has shared, and we're
just putting them all together.

710
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:42,160
So yeah, really interesting
stuff and something certainly

711
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:44,800
for us to pay attention to,
that's for sure.

712
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:49,160
Going back and forth with the
new stingers this morning.

713
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:51,840
Let's see how are we doing on
time?

714
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:54,680
All right, we have a little bit
of time left here, so let's keep

715
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:56,920
it moving.
And thank you, BC, for those two

716
00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:59,880
stories this morning.
Full disclosure, if you've been

717
00:40:59,880 --> 00:41:04,120
following along, BC had been
doing, when possible, more

718
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:08,480
celebrity style news and quite
frankly, we got a little bored

719
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:10,800
with it.
There wasn't a lot of substance

720
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:15,640
to that and BC preferred to take
it in the direction he did today

721
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:17,640
and I appreciate that.
So thank you.

722
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:22,680
BCDR. Do you want to take the
next headline involving Beehive

723
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:26,280
which I know is a competitor of
like Sub Stack and some other?

724
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:29,280
Right, right.
And just for everyone's

725
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:36,600
information, Beehive is spelled
B EE HIIV.

726
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:41,040
So cute, so annoying, so
annoying.

727
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:45,520
OK, so Beehive is making a move
into podcasting.

728
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:49,360
Beehive is pushing into
podcasting as it looks to

729
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:53,680
attract indie creators who are
building more than just a show.

730
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:58,120
Reports say that the company is
pitching flat pricing, ad

731
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:25,960
monetization, a broker all in
Its model is built around a flat

732
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:30,360
fee instead of the 10% of a
creator's revenue, which is a

733
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:33,200
direct contrast to sub stacks
approach.

734
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:38,840
Beehive already has a newsletter
and AD tools, and it eventually

735
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:42,600
wants to connect that
monetization system to podcasts

736
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:47,880
hosted on the platform.
And the bigger story for DIY and

737
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:51,120
indie podcasters is platform
strategy.

738
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:56,200
A lot of creators are still
piercing together e-mail hosting

739
00:42:56,440 --> 00:43:00,960
websites and monetization across
multiple services, and Beehive

740
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:06,560
is betting that some of them
want to be under that one roof.

741
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:08,720
I have my opinion about the
whole 1.

742
00:43:08,720 --> 00:43:13,000
Roof thing actually that was my
question about this is to the

743
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:17,800
group really, are you cool with
how you're probably most of us

744
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:22,040
are doing things which is using
separate tools to get our

745
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:26,960
podcast from start to finish
right Or are you really

746
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:30,680
desperate or in need of a true
all in one solution?

747
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:33,040
I'm going to jump the line.
OK, go ahead and then we'll

748
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:36,560
hear.
From BC, so if I was an

749
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:41,360
investor, people who are in the
know will tell investors to

750
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:44,200
diversify.
And that's kind of how I feel

751
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:47,800
about podcasting and the tech
stack in a whole bit.

752
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:53,120
Because if Beehive goes down,
everything goes down.

753
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:56,560
If you are under one roof, under
the beehive roof.

754
00:43:56,800 --> 00:44:01,640
So I am all about divesting.
And I saw Ralph giving the

755
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:04,400
thumbs down over there.
Did you want to comment before I

756
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:07,120
go to BC?
Yeah, I just want to say I agree

757
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:10,600
with DRA 100%.
Don't put all your eggs in one

758
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:13,240
basket because when that basket
fails, you're going to be out of

759
00:44:13,240 --> 00:44:17,320
luck if they decide to close up
shop or they get a attack or

760
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:19,760
something like that.
No IA. 100% agree with Dr. on

761
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:22,080
this one.
Or I would just say is make sure

762
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:24,680
you have a backup plan.
If you're going to have an all

763
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:28,040
in one solution, make sure you
know what you're going to do if

764
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:30,720
that all in one solution goes
away tomorrow or even

765
00:44:30,720 --> 00:44:34,480
temporarily goes away right in
the middle of the, you know,

766
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:37,920
heaviest part of your lift for
your podcast, you you need to

767
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:40,400
have a backup plan at the very
least.

768
00:44:40,720 --> 00:44:42,520
OK.
I'm going to go to BC and then

769
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:44,400
Janae and then we'll check in
with Alex.

770
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:46,320
Yeah.
Well, I have like considered

771
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:49,160
looking to Beehive more because
I do like a good newsletter.

772
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:52,520
I do like when I can, you know,
share what my business is doing

773
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:56,000
in a nice, you know, prim and
visual fashion at the same time.

774
00:44:56,600 --> 00:45:00,400
I don't know how I would
consider moving over to Beehive

775
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:03,960
even for podcasting when Sub
Stack, as we discussed on that

776
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:07,600
Sub Stack episode provides free
hosting and does some good

777
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:13,120
distribution and it handles, it
does to a degree have some like

778
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:16,440
what am I trying to say,
newsletter design capabilities,

779
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:19,040
not nearly to the capabilities
of Beehive.

780
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:21,880
I understand that.
But everything else it seems to

781
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:26,080
offer that Beehive is trying to
get into it offers for free, you

782
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:28,400
know.
So I'm not sure of the tactic

783
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:32,560
here to try to convince Sub
Stackers to move into Beehive

784
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:37,400
for that all in one opportunity.
All right, Yeah, fair enough.

785
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:40,480
BC And yeah, I think I'm glad
you chimed in on this because I

786
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:43,480
know you are pretty active with
sub stack.

787
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:47,840
Yeah, so maybe not enough to
make the switch for Someone Like

788
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:49,240
You.
Let's hear from Janae.

789
00:45:49,240 --> 00:45:51,160
Go ahead, Janae.
Good morning.

790
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:55,280
It's it's another platform
saying, hey, we're also offering

791
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:58,320
hosting here we are.
We have newsletter.

792
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:01,600
You can come here because think
about it, guys, LinkedIn has

793
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:05,040
newsletters, then sub stack
beehives like, hey, we do

794
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:08,680
newslettersmedium.com for you to
remember, they had newsletters.

795
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:12,000
So again, eve all of these
platforms that are going to

796
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:16,720
come, they're really designing
these solutions for newcomers.

797
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:19,320
So if you already have your
stack set up, you're not going

798
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:22,160
to move because it's this system
already works for you.

799
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:26,080
But somebody who's looking to
start a new newsletter and new

800
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:28,840
podcast and whatnot be have
like, hey, we've got the

801
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:31,880
solution, come drive with us
essentially.

802
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:34,360
So that's essentially what
they're offering.

803
00:46:34,720 --> 00:46:37,320
Now I do want to touch on the
point you all mentioned.

804
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:40,840
If something goes down, what's
going to happen?

805
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:45,640
Well, guess what guys, all of us
are hosting our apps and what

806
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:51,000
not on AWS.
So if AW goes down, we are in

807
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:54,400
trouble.
And we saw that one Cloudflare

808
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:57,800
had that issue due to something
that happened in the Middle

809
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:00,120
East.
So again, we're all literally

810
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:05,120
putting our eggs in the same
basket with AWS or Azure or

811
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:08,560
Google Cloud.
So again, they have really

812
00:47:08,720 --> 00:47:12,000
amazing infrastructures where if
one server goes down, they can

813
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:17,640
spin up your code base really
quickly because again, it's all

814
00:47:17,720 --> 00:47:20,840
dockerized.
It's like it's all virtualized,

815
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:23,280
right?
So that's already taken care of.

816
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:27,800
What's happening now is people
who launch things like Beehive

817
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:33,120
and Pod Claw and Open Claw and
what not, they're building on

818
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:35,960
top of these giant services that
are already available.

819
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:39,560
And the reason I'm a huge
proponent of this is because

820
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:43,120
guess what I'm doing?
Guess what I'm doing with Pod

821
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:45,040
Glue?
I'm not building it in my home

822
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:48,600
server, right?
I'm putting it on a service on a

823
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:52,720
provider that's already built
out the entire infrastructure

824
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:56,080
and now I'm going out there and
pushing this together.

825
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:58,960
So when we say we're putting
eggs in the same basket,

826
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:03,960
technically we're all dependent
on Spotify to publish our

827
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:05,640
podcasts and people to listen
to.

828
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:11,320
We're dependent on Google
servers and and YouTube and

829
00:48:11,720 --> 00:48:15,120
Apple Podcasts.
Like, think about it guys, if we

830
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:20,720
were to diversify, to say, hey,
our show lives on here alone,

831
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:24,600
what would that look like?
If you come back one step, Apple

832
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:26,240
podcast is gone, Spotify is
gone.

833
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:27,880
Where does your content lived
in?

834
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:30,600
That's a good point.
It's a really good point.

835
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:32,880
I don't have an answer for that.
I mean, it would have to live on

836
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:38,720
our own servers, which takes a
lot of money and resources to

837
00:48:38,720 --> 00:48:41,200
run.
So that would be the only way to

838
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:44,600
really have full control over
all of our content.

839
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:48,320
It's a great point, Janae, and
one that I think is going to be

840
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:52,000
challenging for most of us to
have a a solution for.

841
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:54,160
But yeah, something we're
thinking about.

842
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:55,480
Ralph, did you want to add to
that?

843
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:56,600
And then we'll check in with
Sid.

844
00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:58,280
Yeah, I just wanted to say one
thing.

845
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:01,440
One of the things I think we
need to be careful of is always

846
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:04,200
putting all of our eggs and
other people's platforms.

847
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:07,760
I really am a proponent of
bringing people to your own

848
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:11,080
website, bringing all that
content back to you because

849
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:14,440
whenever you're using somebody
else's sub stack or using one of

850
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:17,320
these other platforms, if they
don't like you tomorrow you're

851
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:19,440
gone.
You've got to build that

852
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:22,520
connection with your audience
back to what you actually own.

853
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:25,760
You own your domain, bring
people back there.

854
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:28,520
All the things we're talking
about and I I do a blog post for

855
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:31,600
every piece of content I put out
because I bring people back to

856
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:35,200
what I own and I think that's a
really important concept.

857
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:38,080
It's great that there's these
great platforms we can do stuff

858
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:41,760
on, but remember you don't own
that platform and if you say

859
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:44,240
something they don't like,
you're gone.

860
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:46,400
Yeah.
And I mean, look, that can

861
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:50,120
happen if we're putting our
podcasts on Apple, Spotify,

862
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:52,400
YouTube, etcetera.
That can still happen.

863
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:56,840
And yeah, doing something like
putting A blog on your own

864
00:49:56,840 --> 00:50:00,400
website that you do have a
little more control over for

865
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:02,440
sure.
Yeah, I'm with you there, Ralph.

866
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:06,280
Let me go to Sid real quick.
And I want to interject one

867
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:10,920
quick demon.
So anybody remember Infowars and

868
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:16,080
Alex Jones, all of his content,
even his website was brought

869
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:19,800
down.
So even then we don't have

870
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:21,560
control.
But I do agree that you got to

871
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:25,200
have your own website, got to
have a backup plan, so.

872
00:50:25,720 --> 00:50:27,840
Yeah, I think you got cut off
there.

873
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:30,200
Even the host can pull your
content, don't they?

874
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:33,480
Yeah, absolutely.
And even your website that you

875
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:38,680
own that could very well be
hosted on an AWS server or

876
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:41,840
another server that you don't
really control, right.

877
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:44,240
So there is always those
loopholes there.

878
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:48,280
Yes, Sid, go ahead.
So when you think about what it

879
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:51,360
means to be a podcaster, there
are a lot of steps we have to go

880
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:54,240
through.
There's, I mean, it's not easy

881
00:50:54,240 --> 00:50:58,400
to, you know, get a show from
concept to out the door, you

882
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:00,560
know, and going all the way to
monetization.

883
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:01,800
There's just a lot of things we
have to do.

884
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:05,800
And I think we all would love an
easy button to make it easier to

885
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:07,920
take away some of the pain and
some of the things that we're

886
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:09,840
doing.
And I think that this is what

887
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:11,440
this group we have might be
trying to do.

888
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:14,680
But I'm wondering if they're
trying to solve the wrong

889
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:16,680
problem.
Because when you bring out

890
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:19,320
content or you bring out, when
you create a business, right,

891
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:20,960
you're trying to solve a
problem.

892
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:23,880
I'm wondering if they're trying
to solve the wrong problem by

893
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:27,960
putting us under 1 ecosystem and
not looking at things that just

894
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:30,160
would make a podcaster's life
easier.

895
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:32,040
And how could we do things
faster?

896
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:34,840
How could we get more really
good content out the door?

897
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:37,280
So I'm just wondering if these
people are trying to solve the

898
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:39,360
wrong problem.
Yeah, I hear you, Sid.

899
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:41,640
Yeah.
And I don't have the answer for

900
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:43,960
it, but I'm just as curious as
you are about that.

901
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:47,000
Absolutely.
Anyone else want to chime in?

902
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:51,280
OK, then I think that is a great
place to start to stop.

903
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By the way, that Sub Stack
episode that BC mentioned where

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we talked all about Sub Stack
with the help of BC, that's

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episode 460 of the podcasting
morning chat.

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So you can easily check that
outgoing to

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podcastingmorningchat.com slash
460 and you can hear that

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episode.
It was a great one.

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Thank you for reminding me about
that BC and thank you all for

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your contributions today.
I'm going to give you about 5

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minutes or so back for you to
get and do whatever it is you

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00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:25,160
want to do with those 5 minutes
and reminder that we're back

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tomorrow or today at 1:00 PM
Eastern Time with Empowered

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Podcasting Live.
You're going to get all the

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behind the scenes info, all the
things we're planning for this

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August, including a special
program for the independent DIY

917
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:45,040
podcaster who wants to get a
little more visibility in this

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community.
I think we've got a really great

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solution to share with you about
that.

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So go to
podcastingmorningchat.com/joinus

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right before 1:00 PM Eastern and
click on the app of your choice

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00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:02,280
to join us live.
And until tomorrow, make it a

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great day everybody.
Take care.