453. Dissecting a Podcast That Actually Works

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Good morning podcasting Morning
Chat Today is Thursday, February

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12th, 2026 and today a live
podcast evaluation of the

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podcast Movies in a Nutshell.
Real time feedback on intros,

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structures, transitions and
strategy to help every creator

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level up.
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Thanks for being here.
Good morning again, podcasting

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morning chat.
Thanks so much for being here.

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I am your host Mark Ronic and
currently on the virtual stage

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we have producer Ashley Feller,
Ralph Estep, Sid Meadows, Dr.

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Fay, Matt Bliss, BC Babbles and
Nick Naulback and also Tide

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tutoring has joined us on stage
from the audience once again,

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love that tide and I'll remind
you you can chime in just as

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much as everybody else that's
here on stage.

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And that goes for Janae and
Austin who are here first thing

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in the morning.
Thank you guys for being here

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bright and early today.
We are evaluating movies in a

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nutshell.
And it's a Co hosted movie

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discussion podcast that promises
spoiler free insight to help you

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decide what to watch and also
deeper perspectives on the films

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that you've already seen.
So we're going to do this a

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little differently than we've
done it in the past.

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So one thing that we've received
feedback about is the fact that

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sometimes people feel a little
out of the loop while we're

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talking about things like the
podcasts, branding and their

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logos and other other areas as
well.

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So I'm trying to change this up
a little bit.

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We're going to mainly work with
clips now.

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We've done that before in the
past, but we're going to really

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lean into the clips and start
with them right away to bring

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you, our listener, into this
conversation to be more feel

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like you're more a part of it,
right?

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O let me get you the first CLI.
We're going to start with the

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best place to start in my
opinion, their intro.

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Hello and welcome to Movies in a
Nutshell with me, Mark Farquhar.

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Myself, Darren Horn.
And I Paul Day, we help you

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spend less time browsing and
more time watching.

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If you've seen the movie, we'll
reveal what you might have

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missed.
If you haven't, we'll give you a

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quick spoiler free breakdown.
We've got behind the scenes

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trivia, including Paul's Facts
of the Day.

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Host ratings and our legend
league table.

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Plus, your chance to choose a
movie.

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So grab some popcorn and let's
jump into this week's movie.

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All right, there you go.
There is the intro.

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So I'm going to ask our fine
team here.

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What did you notice?
What did you understand about

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the show?
How did that intro work for you?

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All right, let's go to BC first.
Go ahead BC.

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Definitely gave us the classic
film reel kicking up engine from

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the high part of the theater to
help us know that we're in a

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kind of a almost a vintagey feel
kind of space.

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Definitely feels like for the
run of the show you're kind of

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in a pub in the back corner,
you've had a nice little quiet

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table to have a cool little chit
chat with your buds.

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So I think it really sets a nice
little kind of convenient tone

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for the show, 100%.
Very cool.

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OK, Thank you.
BC I agree with you.

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I do want to talk about that,
that very beginning at some

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point as well with the sounds
like film projector and the

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music, which I feel like is
something from like a Bill

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Murray movie.
And I can't quite put my finger

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on it, but maybe we'll play it
again.

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Well, we'll hear it again in a
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Sid, you wanted to chime in as
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Yeah, I really enjoy the energy
of that clip.

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It gets you kind of like
excited.

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The vibe of it is really good.
It's quick, it doesn't linger

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on.
And so I think the overall.

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Energy of that is really good.
Agreed.

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And Ashley also wants to give
some input.

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Go ahead, Ashley.
Good morning.

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Same here, I really enjoyed the
conciseness of it.

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They don't be in around the
Bush.

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They get right to it.
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What I wrote here, my notes
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similarly to what Sid was
saying, I loved the fast-paced

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way that they presented it.
They clearly described the

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mission of the podcast.
It was straightforward and to

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the point.
And somehow I even felt like I

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was starting to feel their
personalities coming through a

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little bit.
Like I felt like even though

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that was the first time I ever
heard them, there was just

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something comfortable, something
familiar about their delivery.

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One thing that I just alluded to
a moment ago that I didn't love,

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and I want to be clear, not a
deal breaker, not something that

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I think is going to kill their
show or anything.

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Is that music with the film
projector at the beginning?

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That whole thing lasts like 10
to 12 seconds and it feels to me

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like it's kind of just
shoehorned in there.

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I would maybe talk over that a
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So like maybe you hear that film
projector reel in and then you

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got that music playing.
And as that music's playing,

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that's where I would maybe
personally bring up, you know,

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that's where I would start the
intro.

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Go ahead, Matt, I see you want
to chime in.

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Good morning.
I don't disagree.

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They could probably structure
that intro a little bit better.

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It's clear, as we'll probably
hear talking about the episode

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later on, that there are things
they mentioned in the intro that

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don't happen in this episode.
The thing that became

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immediately clear to me is that
it's a canned intro.

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Maybe they don't recall that
every single time, but as you

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say, it's not a deal breaker for
me either.

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The refinements are important.
The key giveaway from me that I

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didn't hear the first time
actually is that I heard a lot

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of plosives in from the hosts in
the audio, which tells me after

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listening to it and not hearing
any plosives at all.

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That would also be the indicator
that it's probably an intro

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that's been done a little while
ago and not immediately, but as

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we'll hear later on as well.
It's very difficult to

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differentiate between the
quality of this intro compared

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to the rest of the episode.
But that warm, rich tone from

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the post production and the
microphones they choose for

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their own voices.
I think that that's what you

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picked up on as well, Mark.
I actually saw a bit of

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neuroscience research or heard
about it on a podcast or

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something that there's something
about that particular zone,

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Goldilocks zone of, of male
voice that sets a certain brain

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wave pattern that makes you
relax into it a little bit.

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And I think all three of them
have a voice that's very similar

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for that.
All three of them have a very

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similar voice in general that.
Might be a bit of feedback later

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on too.
Like I was like they said all

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their names there, but I I had
trouble telling who was who.

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I thought there was four people
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then there was 3.
But anyway, we can talk about

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that a bit later on.
So Matt, Matt mentioned the word

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plosive.
And so I feel like that is a

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wheel of jargon word and would
love, Matt for you to define

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that for maybe some of our
listeners who don't know what

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plosive means.
So plosive is an audio term when

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one is using a microphone and
it's denotes a certain type of

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sound that's made.
It's often a disruptive sound.

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It's not a nice one to hear, but
when one makes a sharp P sound,

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particularly depending on the
matter of 1's speech, similar

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consonants to P can also 'cause
this, but that sharp P has a

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very sharp popping noise in the
microphone itself, reflects in

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the audio, and is is like a
disruptive pop.

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I'm about to demonstrate it with
a a sentence, but Peter Piper

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picked a Peck of pickled
Peppers.

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Yep, I hear it.
That's full plusive action.

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So let's talk about how to avoid
the pluses.

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Microphone technique is perfect
for this.

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Before I mentioned the thing
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first, I want to say that having
your microphone off axis to

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avoid doing your breath is the
most important thing.

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People say 45° but whatever
angle it is that ensures that

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your breath entering the
microphone is avoided.

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If you, like, hold your hand in
front of your face right now,

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listener, and start going poo,
poo poo, you'll feel the

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pressure of that air on your
hand and you don't want the

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microphone in the position that
you feel that pressure.

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So whatever position you move
the microphone in should not be

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at least close to it can be
around it, but as long as the

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air's not going into it, then
you're good.

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There are also windscreen
devices that you can get that

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can catch these plosives.
It's probably important to

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mention that a pop shield is
different to what the industry

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would call a dead cat, but you
can use them both together.

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So the pop shield is that little
circular or square bit of

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fabric, sometimes metal, that
catches or redirects the air

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from your mouth.
It sits in front of the

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microphone as a like a bit of a
guard to stop that air going

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through.
The dead cat thing is what wraps

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around the microphone like it's
a microphone cover.

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That doesn't perform as well as
the pop filter most of the time,

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but it does do something.
OK, there you go.

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Who knew we were going to get
such a good lesson today in

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plosives?
And I want to keep things going

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if you don't mind.
I know that Ralph and BC you

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were looking to chime in, but I
do want to keep things going so

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that we can really get into this
episode.

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And I should have said this is I
guess I haven't ruined anything

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yet.
This particular episode of

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Movies in a Nutshell is all
about The Matrix, the movie, The

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Matrix.
And one of their promises that

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they made, if you heard that
intro, is that they do this in a

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spoiler freeway.
That's their claim.

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And they're doing it to help you
decide whether or not you want

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to get into that movie.
And I know Ashley ended up

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watching The Matrix for for the
first time because of this

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episode.
So we're going to get into it.

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This is the clip that
immediately follows the intro.

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OK, here we are, first episode
of 20262026.

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Where's my hoverboard?
The Matrix, 1999.

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I remember this coming out in
1999.

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I remember.
Oh, wait a minute.

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See it?
I think I was working in a pub

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called Kitty Rohan and an Irish
bar.

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And I was working in a cinema
for the summer.

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Oh, so I was in the cinema while
the Matrix was out there on the

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cinema.
Actually, I may be in a manager

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in the theatre.
Actually, no, I think about it,

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but I remember I, I, I was
trying to date someone.

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I used, it doesn't matter.
I used to work, I definitely

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worked in an Irish part called
Kiss Your Hands.

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But 1999, I'm sure I was working
in the theatre because I

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remember the millennial thing
happened.

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And then, yeah, in 2000 I went
to Australia in Southeast Asia.

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I was 18, so yeah, I'm vividly
remember.

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Obviously, I didn't know much
about it.

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I was barely seven.
I was barely 16.

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What a summer.
Austin Powers two Star Wars

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Episode 1, The Matrix and you
eat Chrome.

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So we're in Part 1, which is the
nutshell where we break the

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movie down spoiler free to help
you decide if it's your kind of

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movie.
So how do we break the Matrix

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down?
How do we explain it for someone

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who's never seen it?
OK, there you go.

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So what are we picking up on
specifically about the hosts?

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Any feedback regarding this part
of the conversation that they

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dove into?
I have some, but I just wanted

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to 1st see if anybody else
wanted to chime in.

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Yeah, Sid, go ahead.
And to me, it's obvious.

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They have a relationship,
they're friends, they're very

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casual with each other, like
they very comfortable with each

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other.
They know each other.

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At least it appears that way.
Like it's 2 old friends chatting

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about something.
Yeah, I'm with you there.

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And I think that in my opinion,
that really helps get the

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listener comfortable and it
helps to start to build that

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trust.
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all all here, all of us.
We are new to this show and it

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feels very welcoming.
It feels like, yeah, we're

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getting into the middle of a
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beginning of a conversation with
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this movie.
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They're they're giving us their
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But I'm going to bite my tongue
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to chime in.
I'm going to go to BC and then

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I'm going to go to Ralph.
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I love the fact that they were
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relation to the release of the
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You know, if I were to do the
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enjoying the they mentioned Star
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I was enjoying the the Droid
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time as part of the promotional
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It's a really great way to break
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people in to realize, oh, this
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But then you realize as they get
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really in depth they're prepared
to get into regarding the state

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of things in the movie industry
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Great feedback BC Ralph, what do
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So we talked the other day about
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nostalgia loop.
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build that into your content, it
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emotions around something, that
nostalgia is huge and people

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really lean into that.
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the things they're doing super
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thinking about, OK, in 99, I was
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been as effective in getting me
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movie.
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So for me, it took me back to 99
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credit union.
I was worried about the year

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2000 flipping over and
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enjoyable listening experience
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I think that's a great point.
That idea of getting nostalgic

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with your audience, I think can
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People do eat that up.
I mean, go look at some social

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media accounts that you say.
Like for me, I'm always fed a

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lot of Gen.
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X, right?
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content because whenever I see
maybe it was an old toy that I

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played with, or maybe it was one
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had, which I guess was one of
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They make me think and they make
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It feels nostalgic.
Like Ralph is saying, Matt, you

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wanted to add something.
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Just the the subtle thing they
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deliberately, but they set their
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there, like they're saying to
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I'm the person who was this age
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1999.
And that can set not just that

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nostalgia feel like being
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to the listener, but also that
they know what kind of opinion

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they're going to get, the kind
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the time of enjoying it.
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about it, again, pushing towards
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episode, is that one of them
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media.
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feels like they're directing
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younger audience who is seeking
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So I think catching the older
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a an experience that they can
forgotten the word now, but

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sympathetically enjoy from an
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also addressing the content of
an old film for a younger

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audience who want to enjoy it as
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They walk that line really well.
It's really interesting.

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Thank you, Matt.
OK, anyone else have any

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thoughts on what I'm calling the
intentional small talk at the

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beginning of their episode?
And I really do want to

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emphasize that for a second,
right?

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Because I think there is a place
for small talk.

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I think that it does help, like
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build some trust, but I think
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It can't just be, oh, you know
what a beautiful day it is

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today, right?
I mean, it can, right?

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But at the same time, I like how
they are directing their small

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talk about the actual thing that
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their show.
Oh, Sid, do you want to say

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something?
I'm actually a big fan of

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intentional.
Small talk for lots of.

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Different reasons.
I think it also helps to break

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the ice with the guest if you're
got a guest that you're

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interviewing and it kind of just
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I think helps to.
Set the tone.

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But for me, what I do is is if
I'm going to guess that I know I

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talked for a minute about maybe
where we met or how.

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Long.
Ago we met or you know something

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like that to bridge the gap of
so the listener knows that we

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have a little bit of a
relationship hey we worked

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together 10 years ago or.
I met Mark at at at a podcasting

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conference and we became
friends.

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We were talking about this just
something like that to break the

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ice A.
Little bit to.

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Make the conversation a little
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Easier for the listener so they
understand that there is a

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relationship.
Yeah, and such a great point

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said especially, like you said,
with guests, because not only

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does it help the guest feel more
comfortable, it helps the

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audience get to know the guest
and feel more comfortable with

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that person.
So yeah, great point, Nick.

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Go for it.
I actually.

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Wanted to comment on what Sid
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saying that, I agree.
I really like the small talk in

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podcasts, but it has to be
certain types of podcasts, like

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something like this.
It's an entertainment podcast.

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You're just kind of listening,
tuning in, just kind of enjoying

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the conversation. 100% agree.
But I also listen to a lot of

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business podcasts and self help
podcast, things like that.

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I just want you to get to the
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I don't care about the small
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I don't care about all the
little behind the scenes

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details.
I just want to get the

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information and go about my day.
So I think it definitely.

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Varies.
Depending on the type of podcast

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you have, and I think in
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plays really well into the small
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That's a great point, Nick.
I think it does matter depending

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on the type of podcast that
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You may, you know, the first
type of podcast that might come

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to mind is there was a podcast
that I used to produce at Ironic

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Media and what and it was a
medical, it was actually a

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business slash medical podcast.
It was helping medical

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professionals go out on their
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things.
I'll just I'm just trying to

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keep it simple here.
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that audience doesn't want to
sit there and listen to small

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talk.
They want to get right to it.

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They're super busy, right.
So you do have to know your

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audience.
Thank you, Nick.

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Let me set up this next clip
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So this is just a quick one that
I don't know necessarily that a

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lot of you will have anything to
comment on, but listen to how

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they handle a reference to a
past episode here.

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People can get quite heated
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that like Star Wars isn't a
cycling film and Alien isn't.

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But as we know, because we did
the episode, we did, we did.

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If you want to hear that, go on
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This is science fiction, and So
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So I love that they do that,
right.

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It's like, oh, well, we talked
about that very movie and you

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can hear what we had to say
about that one on that episode.

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Now, what they didn't do, as far
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spot.
Oh yeah, we did that episode.

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But they may not remember off
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episode number it was or you
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that moment.
And clearly that they wanted to

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keep things moving.
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because I looked, I didn't see a
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So you got to make sure that if
you're going to want to direct

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your audience, let's make it as
easy as possible to where they

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have to go.
Look, this podcast, I think

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you'll learn as we continue
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I think the majority of us have
a lot of good things to say

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about this podcast.
So really, I think most of the

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feedback we're going to have
today is to help them Polish up

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what they're already doing.
Well, OK, we have several people

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I think that want to chime in.
I'm going to go to Ralph 1st and

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then check in with Matt.
Go ahead, Ralph.

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Good morning again.
I'm glad you played that clip

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because it reminded me of
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that.
And I don't know if I was the

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only one that had a difficult
time with the language a little

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bit from understanding what they
were saying.

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One of the takeaways that I
would have if they slowed down

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just a little bit because they
got into this back and forth

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banter, which there's a little
bit of an accent.

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I don't mean that being
derogatory in any way, but it

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was difficult and me for times
to keep up with what they were

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saying.
And I think if they would just

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be a little more intentional and
slowing their language down and

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putting in some pauses and
listen, I'm learning this

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myself, so this is very
appropriate for me.

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But if they would do that, I
think they would be more

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effective that that's really the
only well, I'll use the word

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negative that I have with the
whole episode is I just felt

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like it was rushed.
But it was cool that the

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conversation was great.
But if you're not in their

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little clicky kind of that that
vernacular that they're using,

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it was sometimes hard to keep up
with that mark.

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And that clip actually brought
that out so that I just wanted

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to make sure I mentioned.
That that's a fair comment.

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like you said, it's might be

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something they don't even notice
because that's just probably the

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way that they talk, right?
But yeah, if you're trying to

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appeal to a larger audience
than, say, wherever you're from,

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I think you have to think about
those things.

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Yeah.
Let's try to slow this down a

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tiny bit.
Go ahead, Matt.

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This is the point in this
episode when I need to mention

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that I have a bit of a not a
conflict, but a similar

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experience.
I've been editing episodes for a

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show that is almost like 90% the
same structure as this one,

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which is why I felt so equipped
to, to listen to it and give it

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the thumbs up that I give it.
That podcast is called Podcast

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Assemble if anyone wants to make
the comparison.

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But the the thing about this
style of show first, Mark, you

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mentioning that they mentioned
go and listen to the alien

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episode, but they don't mention
an episode number or anything to

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guide the listener, right?
What you'll find most often with

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these kinds of shows is that
they will head up the title with

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the film or TV show that they're
analyzing.

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And so it tends to be pretty
easy to find.

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Like I struggle to think of a
show that reviews movies that

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doesn't just lead with the
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for other reasons.
I think that's why they do that.

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So I personally, in my opinion,
after editing for this podcast,

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I just mentioned who does the
same thing.

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I'm not sure it's overly
necessary with this one, but

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also it could speak to both the
transients of the audience.

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Like if you are listening to an
entertainment review podcast

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that you like, then you'll come
back to listen to more, but you

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may not listen to a review of
shows that you don't think that

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you'll be on board with.
So you might have a few other

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available to you.
Like Ralph mentioned there that

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the lingo and the the language
is a bit of a barrier here.

452
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:27,200
So you probably wouldn't want to
go for AUK based entertainment

453
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:28,720
podcast talking about films you
enjoy.

454
00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:30,440
You might go for an American 1
instead.

455
00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:34,880
The sensibilities would be very
similar, but there is kind of a

456
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:39,560
structure and kind of a layout
to this type of show that has

457
00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:45,000
probably preempted and created
the the style of this show for

458
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:48,160
all of the other places in on
the Internet that does the same

459
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:50,680
thing.
The the lead in banter getting

460
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:53,400
into into it with the hosts to
get that little bit of

461
00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:56,280
information about them before
they get stuck into the analysis

462
00:24:56,280 --> 00:25:00,200
and been getting into the movie
wholesale and having that

463
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:03,560
exchange banter that makes them
unique from any other review

464
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:08,240
platform in the world.
That's the kind of stuff that is

465
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:12,720
modeled for shows that want to
follow in the same suit and fall

466
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,520
into the same area.
So if you went out and looked

467
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:19,240
for a movie review show, you'd
probably find it has almost

468
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:24,200
exactly the same format as this.
So some of it is likely that

469
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:27,160
small area where they have an
opportunity to stand out, and

470
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:28,880
that's when the crosstalk comes
in.

471
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:32,560
Sometimes when maybe the pacing
is a little bit fast.

472
00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:35,000
It's a really unusual weird
space.

473
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:37,480
Kind of like I mentioned it
maybe six months ago, that the

474
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:40,080
video game podcast is a little
bit different.

475
00:25:40,120 --> 00:25:44,000
It has its own style in the way
that it's an entertainment but

476
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:46,240
discussion kind of show.
Thank you, Matt.

477
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:48,800
I'm just going to keep things
going and I think you said it

478
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:51,480
well, so no need for me to add
on to that.

479
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:56,200
OK, This next clip I want you to
listen to how they begin

480
00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:59,680
breaking down this movie, The
Matrix.

481
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:01,360
Paul, what movies could this
could be compared to?

482
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:04,640
So I've got a couple.
It's a tricky 1.

483
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:07,320
So I've got here's my comparison
ones and then see what you

484
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:09,120
think.
It's kind of Alice in Wonderland

485
00:26:09,120 --> 00:26:11,360
meets Blade Runner.
So you got a meets?

486
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:15,520
Yeah, I've got another one.
Dark City meets John Wick.

487
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,640
Oh, that's cool.
I have 1984 meets Ghost in the

488
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:20,160
Shell.
Oh yeah, that's good too.

489
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:23,280
Because it is very mangary.
Yes, like Cyberpunk.

490
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:24,800
Cyberpunk.
Yes, Wrapped in a bit of

491
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:28,280
cyberpunk, yeah.
OK, before we actually discuss

492
00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:32,800
the clip itself, I'm curious,
Ashley, being brand new to the

493
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:36,720
Matrix and watching the movie
thanks to this episode that

494
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:40,800
we're breaking down, do you like
their analogies that they gave

495
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:44,400
their comparisons to The Matrix?
Did that work for you?

496
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:47,200
Which comparisons, particularly
to Alien?

497
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:49,520
Well, yeah, they and that what
they just said.

498
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:52,800
What was it?
It was Alice in Wonderland

499
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:54,600
meets.
Was it Blade Runner?

500
00:26:55,360 --> 00:26:56,600
Was that?
I think that's what they said,

501
00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:57,880
yeah.
BC is not in his head.

502
00:26:57,880 --> 00:26:59,600
Yes.
But just in general, do you

503
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:04,080
think that that worked for you
or Because here's here's why I'm

504
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:06,640
asking.
I think that this is a clever

505
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:10,400
move, whether they realize that
they're doing it or not, because

506
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,200
I like how this helps the
listener who's never seen it

507
00:27:14,120 --> 00:27:15,760
right?
Like this gives them at least a

508
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:18,400
taste of what kind of movie this
is.

509
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:21,960
I think it's fun.
I think it's helpful, and I can

510
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:25,600
even be entertaining for those
who haven't seen, who have seen,

511
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:30,320
Excuse me, The Matrix, because I
might hear one of their

512
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:32,520
comparisons and be like, no,
that can't be.

513
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:35,840
That's not right.
It gets me thinking and wanting

514
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:39,320
to either agree or disagree with
it.

515
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:41,920
So it's keeping me engaged in my
opinion.

516
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:46,160
Well it did for me as a listener
BC What did you want to add?

517
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:48,920
I love those comparisons that
they gave especially with the

518
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:52,520
Dark City versus Dark City meets
John Lick, which I think John

519
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:54,200
Lick was a bit meta for the
comparison.

520
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:56,360
Considering the cast choice for
the movie.

521
00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:59,000
I would have hodgepodged a bit
and said maybe Alice in

522
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:03,240
Wonderland meets Dark City
personally, or even maybe say,

523
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:07,280
oh, I just had it in my head,
what was it say like Crouching

524
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:11,200
Tiger, Hidden Dragon meets the
Crow almost, you know, just

525
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:13,800
crazy fun.
Comparisons like that I think I

526
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:16,440
would have used as alternates
for describing the movie, but I

527
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:18,280
think those were great in
general.

528
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:20,080
Cool.
All right, Thank you.

529
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:23,760
BC yes, Ashley, go ahead.
OK, now that I understand

530
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:26,880
better, the Alice in Wonderland
comparison work for me because

531
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,960
I'm familiar, but I've never
seen John Wick or Blade Runner

532
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:34,200
either.
Ashley, we got to, we got to up

533
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:35,520
your movie game.
I think.

534
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:40,000
I think everybody here was
shocked when Ashley said, yeah,

535
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:44,560
haven't seen The Matrix yet.
One of my absolute favorite

536
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:46,240
movies.
Ashley, what did you think of

537
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:50,040
The Matrix?
OK, so I think I wrote this in

538
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:53,840
my evaluation, but the podcast
helped me appreciate the film a

539
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:56,640
little more.
I don't know, maybe it was the

540
00:28:56,640 --> 00:29:00,080
mindset I was in at the moment,
but I found myself laughing and

541
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,640
I asked my significant other
Raymond, is this supposed to be

542
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:05,760
funny?
And he was like, no, this.

543
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:06,800
Is from.
This is.

544
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:10,640
From 1999 and it's been spoofed
a billion times.

545
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:14,400
You've probably seen all of this
in pop culture and you just

546
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:16,480
didn't know what it was.
And that's why it's funny.

547
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:19,560
And I I probably agree.
I know this is not really part

548
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:21,640
of the evaluation, but I'm just
so curious.

549
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:25,200
Ashley, let's do the typical
five star review.

550
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,240
How many stars would you give
the matrix?

551
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:31,760
Oh, I'd give it maybe a 2 1/2.
Oh, OK, OK.

552
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:35,360
You know, and that this is also
a thing, I think, like, talk

553
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:39,160
about nostalgia.
When we saw this movie, even if

554
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:43,160
we saw it multiple Times Now
over the years, it might not

555
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:47,440
hold the same weight to somebody
who sees it for the first time

556
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:49,880
today.
It might lose something in

557
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:52,840
translation.
So yeah, that's just something I

558
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:57,240
think about a lot when it comes
to like these reboot movies and

559
00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:00,280
also movies that have been on
the shelf for a long time that

560
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:03,160
people it become this cultural
thing.

561
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:06,400
Yet if you haven't seen it, you
may just not get it at this

562
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:09,160
point.
Tide, I saw you wanted to add

563
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:09,920
something.
Go ahead.

564
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:13,960
When I heard Alice and What, it
immediately brought me back to

565
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:17,400
that nostalgic time where I was
watching the Disney movies, but

566
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:20,240
I didn't personally like Alice
in Wonderland as a kid.

567
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:22,960
It gave me creepy vibes.
And I said, oh, OK, that's

568
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,240
that's interesting.
But then he combined it with

569
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:28,280
Blade Runner, which is obviously
very modern, the holograms and

570
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:29,760
all of that.
And I said, oh, that's an

571
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:31,640
interesting take.
It but what?

572
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:34,280
Really anchored it down for me
because I've not seen the movie

573
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:36,840
The Matrix either.
I know the movie, but I've never

574
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:38,880
seen it.
But what would have got me to

575
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:43,560
watch it is the reference to 19
84, because now I'm like, oh,

576
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:47,080
it's all about totalitarianism.
And that's a topic that I like

577
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:49,960
because I'm very familiar with
the book and I know that the

578
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:51,960
book has, you know, it's
obviously a movie as well.

579
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:54,040
A British on it.
Yeah.

580
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:56,440
Thank you, Tide.
Great, great feedback there.

581
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:58,480
BC do you still have something
you want to add?

582
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,080
Yeah, I was going to say for
actually, I totally can see how

583
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:04,120
it can be funny because of the
over dramatic size.

584
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:06,880
It's for those who haven't seen
it, just the over dramatic

585
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,960
sized, you know, martial arts
movements, which is why I kind

586
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,800
of referenced Crouching Tiger.
Hidden Dragon has a potential

587
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:14,640
comparisons for outside of the
two.

588
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,840
That's that the episode gave.
But also to Mark's point to how

589
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:20,440
it's been spoofed so much, for
those of us who grew up on

590
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:24,280
Disney and who have seen the
movie might recall that during

591
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:27,800
the So the Proud Family, there
was also a spoof episode of The

592
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:30,760
Matrix in that show.
If you didn't watch it when it

593
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,320
came out originally, there's
definitely a lot of room to

594
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:38,720
point out certain elements that
create maybe unexpected

595
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:40,760
emotional responses.
So completely valid in that

596
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:42,840
actually I totally see how it
how it can be funny.

597
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:46,600
Yeah, absolutely.
But again, I do want to say a

598
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:50,040
smart segment for sure.
Like I think that this is a

599
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:55,560
great way to really introduce
this movie to your audience and

600
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:58,680
they do other things like this.
This isn't the only, I'll call

601
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,920
it a segment that they do.
There was another one that they

602
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:03,120
did that.
I appreciate it.

603
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:05,680
I don't have the clip for you,
but I can reference it.

604
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:09,800
About halfway through the show,
they host a segment, I think

605
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:12,880
it's called Facts of the Day,
which again, I really

606
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,160
appreciate.
It's a great way to share what

607
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:20,480
they did, fun and interest,
interesting trivia about the

608
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:26,080
movie, but not the not the facts
of the actual movie, but the

609
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:29,560
behind the scenes, the things
about the actors, etcetera.

610
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:33,200
I thought that that's a great
way to create curiosity and

611
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:35,920
intrigue for an audience that
hasn't seen it yet.

612
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:37,800
Matt, did you want to add
something?

613
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:40,680
So that all the bits and pieces
that you're talking about

614
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:45,000
assembled into the episode, the
overall structure of the episode

615
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,920
I think is great that you
haven't talked about yet because

616
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:50,320
it's just because you moved on
from that beginning section into

617
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:52,960
the next.
What Ashley should have done if

618
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:56,320
she hadn't seen The Matrix and
was listening to this episode is

619
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:59,040
there was a section where they
go, OK, we've talked about the

620
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:01,240
intro bits.
We've given you an idea of what

621
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:03,040
it's like.
And if you haven't watched it

622
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:06,160
yet, this is the spoilery bit
and we're going to talk about

623
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:09,320
more of this stuff later on.
And then the stuff they talk

624
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:11,720
about later on.
It's not a rehash about the

625
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:13,480
thing that you potentially just
watched.

626
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:16,800
They don't do summaries.
They don't do like rehash old

627
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:19,600
information.
They explore it in new ways and

628
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:22,680
they point out things that maybe
you missed, things that they're

629
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:25,560
interested in that they do like
the the trivia stuff.

630
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:31,040
I mean, The Matrix is a
cornucopia of film philosophy,

631
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:36,160
action, acting, trivia in and of
itself, but those extra little

632
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:39,600
components that come after the
watching of the film and not

633
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:43,640
still dictating the immersion
inside the film itself.

634
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,240
Having just watched it, I think
they they do all those things

635
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:48,440
incredibly well.
So that's section you just

636
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:51,360
mentioned there with the trivia.
That's one of those bits that

637
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:53,520
does a really good job.
Yeah.

638
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:55,320
Thank you, Matt.
Appreciate that.

639
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:58,520
I know what we're talking about
is specific to movie review

640
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:02,040
podcast, but I still think that
overall, if you don't do a movie

641
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:05,440
review podcast, I think that you
know, understanding the

642
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:08,400
structure, understanding the
different segments that they're

643
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:12,159
adding in to keep their audience
engaged, to keep providing

644
00:34:12,159 --> 00:34:13,840
value.
These are things that we can

645
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:17,080
learn no matter what kind of
podcast that we do, whether it's

646
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:21,800
movie review or something else.
OK, I want to get to this next

647
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:23,679
clip.
This is back to the reference

648
00:34:23,679 --> 00:34:26,840
that we talked about earlier.
I think Ralph brought it up

649
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:29,679
about Y2K.
And that was this.

650
00:34:29,679 --> 00:34:31,480
Like I say, I think that was
very much the selling point.

651
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:32,719
Everyone's like what is the
matrix?

652
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:34,400
And it also came out at a good
time.

653
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:37,320
Like AI was just starting to be
a thing, and we were coming up

654
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:40,679
to the end of the Millennium and
everyone thought, I mean, it's

655
00:34:40,679 --> 00:34:43,800
hard for particularly teenagers
to understand this, but there

656
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,040
was like a moral panic that
planes were going to fall out

657
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:48,760
the sky and they're all their.
Machines were just going to stop

658
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:49,600
working.
Exactly.

659
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:51,880
The Millennium bug, they called
it, by the way, kids.

660
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:53,159
Yeah.
And everyone was panicking.

661
00:34:53,159 --> 00:34:55,239
This line of code, it was going
to end every.

662
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:57,480
Only thing they hung on to is
that some digital displays

663
00:34:57,560 --> 00:34:59,560
didn't have enough room to go to
the extra digit.

664
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:02,480
Yeah, some really old ones.
So some people were having to go

665
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:05,200
through and be hired to add
extra lines of code or

666
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:06,480
something.
Like that, it was crazy.

667
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:10,600
So it was just perfect timing.
It was like this touched on, it

668
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:13,360
kind of touched and expanded
upon the fears of the time of

669
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:16,920
the zeitgeist.
Matt, do you want to comment on

670
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:18,280
that?
Just to say that it's one of

671
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:21,240
those moments where they make
the audience pivot to recognize

672
00:35:21,240 --> 00:35:25,000
that the younger people might be
listening and have no idea what

673
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:29,680
Y2K was, that it sat in a very,
very preeminent spot.

674
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:31,200
And I think it's a good shout
out.

675
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:34,240
I think if you list go back and
listen to the episode after

676
00:35:34,240 --> 00:35:38,640
listening to this, you will
understand that The Matrix

677
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:44,160
covers such a breadth of stuff
and there being a bit of a

678
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:45,960
teaching background amongst
them.

679
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:49,320
I think that's also a moment to
talk about a bit of real life

680
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:53,040
history and how it fits in.
Very well done I think.

681
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:57,320
Agreed, and that's similar to
why I pulled this clip.

682
00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:00,720
I think what's important to
remember as podcasters is that,

683
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:04,680
you know, our audience, yes, we
try to create, a lot of us

684
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:06,680
create that audience avatar,
right?

685
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:11,520
We create that one person that
we know is the ideal audience

686
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:13,920
member, the ideal community
member.

687
00:36:14,240 --> 00:36:19,320
But let's be real, there are
probably other types of audience

688
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:22,800
avatars that we are we want to
be catering to as well.

689
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:27,480
So in this case, yeah, these
guys recognize they have a

690
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:30,040
younger audience just as much as
they have an audience that's

691
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:32,080
probably around their age as
well.

692
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:37,480
And I think a lot of us as
podcasters, sometimes we get to

693
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:41,200
pigeon holed into one person
that we're talking to.

694
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:46,520
You know, Dr. asked me yesterday
when I talked about my time with

695
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:48,760
Vanderbilt University and she
asked if there were any

696
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:51,360
questions that really stood out
to me.

697
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:57,080
And somebody asked me, how do
you put on a quality show and

698
00:36:57,080 --> 00:37:01,760
still be able to speak to both
your new audience and your

699
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:05,360
returning audience?
And I, that was, I thought was a

700
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:08,600
great question.
And the bottom line is you, the

701
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:13,240
answer is you cater to both.
Your regular audience will give

702
00:37:13,240 --> 00:37:16,960
you a pass for going back and
maybe referencing an inside

703
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:21,360
joke, or they'll give you a pass
if if you're speaking to

704
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:25,120
somebody other than them, right?
As long as you're still within

705
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:28,920
your, your content bubble,
they're going to be OK with it.

706
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:31,720
They recognize that you're
trying to build a podcast here.

707
00:37:31,720 --> 00:37:34,920
And that's why I like sometimes
like I did earlier in this show,

708
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:38,240
right?
We, Matt mentioned plosives and

709
00:37:38,240 --> 00:37:40,600
instantly in my head, I
recognized, you know what?

710
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:44,200
We have newer podcasters that
listen to this show and we

711
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:49,080
wouldn't be doing them any
service by just moving on from

712
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:51,920
that.
And look, while we were talking

713
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:55,480
about plosives, our audience
here, what do we have maybe 10

714
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:57,920
or so people live on Clubhouse
specifically.

715
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:03,000
Nobody left, nobody got annoyed.
So I think what's important is,

716
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:07,000
is that we do recognize, sure we
have that ideal audience avatar,

717
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:10,480
but we have to recognize that
new people come in, that we have

718
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:12,920
maybe different ages.
I think that applies to this

719
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:17,400
show as well.
We have all a large range of of

720
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:22,040
different ages from on average
from 30 to 50 plus.

721
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:24,480
So I've got to keep that in mind
too.

722
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:26,680
That's the the big take away for
me.

723
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:29,000
I just wanted to further that
comment.

724
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:30,920
The thing is, Mark, that's hard
though.

725
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:34,560
And especially when you're first
getting started because there is

726
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:37,200
a, there's a feeling like, well,
I've got to explain what I'm

727
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:39,480
doing on this podcast.
I've got to lay out what I'm

728
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:42,840
doing on this podcast and I hear
a lot of people that have been

729
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,160
doing a podcast for a while and
they never left that.

730
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:48,080
I think you have to start to
blend in both of those

731
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:50,400
audiences.
But I, I know I've gone through

732
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:54,360
that structure myself and it's
not easy because there are times

733
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:57,920
when I come back to say, you
know what, maybe I'll do a show

734
00:38:57,920 --> 00:38:59,320
this week.
I do a Daily Show.

735
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:02,080
Maybe I'll do a show this week
where I go back to the roots of

736
00:39:02,240 --> 00:39:05,000
maybe this is the first time
somebody listened to it.

737
00:39:05,240 --> 00:39:07,240
So it's easy for us to say, hey,
go do this.

738
00:39:07,240 --> 00:39:10,960
But Mark, the implementation of
that from the the Independent

739
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:14,720
podcast canister is not as easy
as it seems because you've got

740
00:39:14,720 --> 00:39:17,960
to try to balance this thing.
And so if you're listening right

741
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:19,160
now, you're thinking, how do I
do that?

742
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:22,840
Maybe you don't do it every
time, maybe once a week or

743
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:25,680
depending upon your time that
you release stuff, you have an

744
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:27,720
intentional.
I, I think that's the keyword

745
00:39:27,720 --> 00:39:30,680
though, is intentional about,
hey, this could be for new

746
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:32,800
listeners.
Look at what your topic is as

747
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:34,920
well.
And is this more likely to be

748
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:37,320
for discovery and new listeners?
But I just think, Mark, we, I

749
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:39,480
don't want to glance over the
fact that, oh, that's just easy.

750
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:42,080
We're going to do for both.
I just think it's not as easy to

751
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:45,520
do in practice.
Yeah, I agree.

752
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:49,920
And I think that it is easier
than we make it out.

753
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:54,200
I think it's more of a mind game
for us as hosts, right?

754
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:57,080
I think we just have to get
comfortable with the idea that

755
00:39:57,080 --> 00:40:02,400
it's OK to stop, pause and cater
to a specific segment of your

756
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:04,600
audience.
I think if you're doing it all

757
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:08,680
the time, then that can be
excessive and that might turn it

758
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:10,800
off.
I think even if you do it once,

759
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:14,160
maybe twice during an episode,
that's all it takes.

760
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:16,960
Because now that like, if we're
using new listeners as an

761
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:21,120
example, now that new listener
thinks, ah, OK, they see me,

762
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:24,160
they know I'm here.
They're addressing this.

763
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:26,880
You can't, you can't stop every
time, right?

764
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:31,160
But if you can show them that
you do stop to call them out to

765
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:34,480
cater to them, that I believe
goes a long way.

766
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:36,480
I get it.
There is that.

767
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:38,800
I don't want to call it fear,
but that sense of being

768
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:40,960
uncomfortable, am I doing it too
much?

769
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:44,600
Am I not doing it enough?
But ultimately, I think that you

770
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:48,400
have permission to do it when
you feel the need to do it.

771
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:50,400
Matt, did you want to comment on
anything?

772
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:53,520
Just to say that the thing that
I'd mentioned from this is that

773
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:56,440
defining your audience doesn't
just have to be a single path.

774
00:40:57,000 --> 00:41:00,800
That I think movie review shows
do approach it differently and

775
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,920
they've done it well here where
they will weed out the audience

776
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:07,080
as the presumed knowledge being
that you're nerdy enough about

777
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:09,720
film that you'd like to hear
more about it, that ticks off

778
00:41:09,720 --> 00:41:12,240
the rest of that audience.
They've shared a nostalgia

779
00:41:12,240 --> 00:41:14,600
factor.
Good for the older ones part way

780
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:16,760
through.
Younger people stick around.

781
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:20,480
It's like Ghost in the Shell
versus Dark City.

782
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:23,560
They're already wedding out
genres people aren't interested

783
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:25,400
in.
You know, it doesn't just have

784
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:28,760
to be age group buying habits,
that kind of thing.

785
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:34,320
It can also be interests, pop
culture zeitgeists, alternative

786
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:37,800
ways to approach the way that
you define that audience and

787
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:39,080
recognize it through the
content.

788
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:42,360
Thank you, Matt.
I want to shift gears real

789
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:44,680
quick.
I do have one or two more clips,

790
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:48,560
but I do want to shift gears for
a moment because it look, we're

791
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:52,080
doing, if you've been following
our podcast evaluation series,

792
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:55,720
we usually start these with the
branding stuff.

793
00:41:55,720 --> 00:41:58,200
And one of the things I've
recognized is starting with the

794
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:02,360
branding stuff may not be super
engaging right out of the gate

795
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:04,760
for our audience.
And if anything, it creates

796
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:07,560
confusion for our audience.
They, we want them to first kind

797
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:10,440
of get to know the show that
we're breaking down here before

798
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:13,080
we dig into it.
But one area I want to pause

799
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:16,160
here and and discuss and Dr.
I'll come to you for it.

800
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:19,280
What do we think about the way
that they're titling their

801
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:23,000
episodes?
Well share what the title is of

802
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:28,560
this one specifically.
Yeah, it is The Matrix in a

803
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:31,120
nutshell.
I mean, the title of the whole

804
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:36,120
podcast is Movies in a Nutshell.
They have every single title.

805
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:41,200
They have every single movie.
And by the way, it's I think

806
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:46,360
it's a good note to tell you
that they go back very far.

807
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:51,320
I mean, there's it's a wonderful
life in here, there's charade in

808
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:53,840
here.
I think that is a significant

809
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:57,920
thing to to mention.
But they always follow the title

810
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:01,720
up with in a nutshell.
And I think that's taking up

811
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:06,880
really valuable property.
You mentioned branding.

812
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:12,440
I think it goes beyond branding.
This goes into discovery, so you

813
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:16,840
have a, you know, a chance for
some SEO in here, but if you put

814
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:22,880
in a nutshell after every single
title, then I just think it's

815
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:25,520
redundant and it's taking up
property.

816
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:27,400
I'm not sure where I fall on
that.

817
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:30,120
Like you're making a good point
to make me stop and think for a

818
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:32,440
minute.
I personally like the in a

819
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:35,320
Nutshell because I think it does
speak to their branding, right?

820
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:38,360
If the show is called Movies in
a Nutshell, and then they the

821
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:40,960
title of their each episode is
the name of the movie in a

822
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:45,040
Nutshell, it it's playing off of
the brand, you say it's taking

823
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:47,200
up a lot of real estate.
What should they put there

824
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:49,800
instead?
I'm not sure right now.

825
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:53,680
I, I mean, I haven't given this
a lot of thought beyond SEO and

826
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:59,640
stuff like that, but maybe 3
reasons why you should watch the

827
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:02,200
Matrix.
Three things that we hated about

828
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:04,440
the Matrix.
Something like that.

829
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:07,240
So that's more of a
discoverability.

830
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:11,400
It's more you want it to be a
little more of a hook than just

831
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:14,320
the title of the movie.
I get I that that does make some

832
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:16,320
sense.
And when I'm thinking about SEO,

833
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:19,480
I mean, if somebody's searching
something about the Matrix,

834
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:22,760
they're probably using the
Matrix in there, which I think

835
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:26,320
is helpful when you're using
that in your episode title as

836
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:27,800
well.
Matt, did you want to say

837
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:31,120
something?
Can confirm, just did a Google

838
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:35,320
search for the Matrix in a
nutshell and the first thing was

839
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:39,680
Google having a crack at it and
Scroll down a little bit and the

840
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:43,360
first one of the 1st results is
that episode from their podcast

841
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:46,040
website.
But who is really searching for?

842
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:48,560
In a nutshell.
In a nutshell, in a Google

843
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:50,440
search.
Well that's that would be my

844
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:53,720
point.
I think in a nutshell is a

845
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:58,200
common enough term for someone
looking for a thing to be

846
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:03,880
described in a very succinct way
that it falls into like a little

847
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:09,160
cross section of not effective
SEO, but good enough SEO that

848
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:14,240
whatever kind of slow adapted
algorithm changes have been made

849
00:45:14,240 --> 00:45:18,480
for the cultural human language
means that it's understood what

850
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:21,120
in a nutshell means.
My concern when doing this

851
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:24,480
initial search was going to be
that in a nutshell is too broad

852
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:27,720
and that so many people use it
that it wouldn't appear.

853
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:31,400
But it might be biased by my
Google search, me having looked

854
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:33,880
for it on other sites already,
cookies, et cetera.

855
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:37,400
But at the same time, the fact
that popped anyway, I've had

856
00:45:37,720 --> 00:45:41,360
times when I've looked for
episodes of podcasts with very,

857
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:44,080
you know, similar terms to
other, other shows, other

858
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:46,720
mediums, and they just still
don't pop even though I go

859
00:45:46,720 --> 00:45:48,840
through it every week.
I think the phrase, in a

860
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:53,320
nutshell is something that we
say colloquially, colloquial,

861
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:55,760
you know the word.
I hate words.

862
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:57,960
I hate words in the morning.
They would work for me.

863
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:03,680
That we say to each other, but
actually typing out in a

864
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:07,880
nutshell in a search is not
something that I would think

865
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:09,160
about doing.
Right.

866
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:13,560
But maybe others do if that's a
more common term in their head.

867
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:14,960
Who knows?
That's a fairpoint.

868
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:17,240
I want to make sure we play one
more clip.

869
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:20,800
But first, let's go to Ralph.
Ralph, what do you got?

870
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:23,360
I just want to make a comment
about the title because I think

871
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:26,720
it'd be more impact of what they
said, The Matrix and then Colon.

872
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:29,640
What's their big take away?
Because if you never watch the

873
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:33,120
Matrix, that wouldn't that
wouldn't incent me to watch to

874
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:36,000
listen to this episode at all.
If it said something like the

875
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:39,840
Matrix hostile takeover or
something that just makes me go,

876
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:42,440
oh, I've never seen the movie,
but that's really interesting.

877
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:46,360
I just think use that real
estate for that mark because

878
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:50,080
that's going to appeal to both
their existing audience and to a

879
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:53,000
future audience.
Fair enough and BC what do you

880
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:55,320
got?
Going off that real quick, I'll

881
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:57,560
even say use one of the
comparisons, say Alice in

882
00:46:57,560 --> 00:46:59,840
Wonderland meets Blade Runner
breakdown.

883
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:02,960
I would also say in this age
with the advent of reaction

884
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:06,440
channels as a genre on YouTube
being a big draw for YouTube

885
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:09,680
audiences, try to find a way to
fit that into your SEO movie

886
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:13,520
review, movie reaction, or in
depth discussion to that degree.

887
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:17,240
Get on to that same algorithm.
That's a great point as well.

888
00:47:17,240 --> 00:47:19,760
I love that.
Thank you BC All right, so for

889
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:22,560
this last clip, this is their
ending.

890
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:26,880
This is their close with their
CTAAKA.

891
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:30,680
I'm saying lots of abbreviations
call to action.

892
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:33,000
So let's take a listen to this
and talk about it on the other

893
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:34,640
side.
So thanks for listening guys.

894
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:37,160
We really do appreciate you guys
taking our time from your busy

895
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:38,600
lives to spend some time with
us.

896
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:40,960
It means a lot.
So if you and if you want to

897
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:44,240
help us, the best way you can do
that is to support us just by

898
00:47:44,240 --> 00:47:45,640
sharing the show, telling people
about it.

899
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:47,880
Tell a friend, tell all your
movie loving friends about the

900
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:50,120
show.
Send them a link, spread the

901
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:51,880
word.
And it will curate our content

902
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:53,160
for us.
Like if you're just like, Oh my

903
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:56,080
God, I can't believe Dan has
chosen the devils work harder.

904
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:59,840
OK, we'll take this Matrix
episode, share the out of it.

905
00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:01,800
So it does really, really well.
And then we'll be like, oh,

906
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:03,680
maybe we should we do more
movies like The Matrix?

907
00:48:04,720 --> 00:48:07,520
Let the algorithm work for you.
Yes, so.

908
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:10,280
So there we go.
That's it.

909
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:13,280
This episode is officially over.
This is Mark saying goodbye.

910
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:14,840
And it's down and saying goodbye
for now.

911
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:17,280
I'm going to hang up this phone,
then I'm going to show these

912
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:18,960
people what you don't want them
to see.

913
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:27,320
Michael.
Yeah, I mean, look, I, I, oh.

914
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:36,160
OK, so look, that actually is a
great point.

915
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:39,240
That ending just does.
It feels again like the very

916
00:48:39,240 --> 00:48:43,240
beginning just shoehorn in.
And so, you know, it's just

917
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:45,080
they're doing such a great
podcast.

918
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:47,320
It feels like they're it's got
such a good flow.

919
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:50,360
There's some professionalism to
it, yet it still feels kind of

920
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:53,440
casual at the same time.
But this just kind of loses a

921
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:57,200
little bit of that Polish.
It feels a little bit thrown

922
00:48:57,200 --> 00:48:59,800
together.
So I would personally either

923
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:04,520
pull that out or figure out a
better way to blend that in.

924
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:09,000
It's it's also by the way, the
levels are all over the place.

925
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:11,440
They're they're at a certain
level, then all of a sudden that

926
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:14,000
music comes in really loud.
It's startling.

927
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:17,680
One more piece of feedback is
that as they start wrapping up

928
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:21,160
that CTA, it kind of looks like
they or it sounds like they

929
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:22,960
don't really know how to wrap it
up.

930
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:25,320
They're kind of Hemming and
hawing a little bit.

931
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:27,080
I would have just cleaned that
up.

932
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:30,720
I would have just edited some of
that out and made it a little

933
00:49:30,720 --> 00:49:33,600
more polished because look, if
your listeners made it this far,

934
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:37,360
I want to get them all the way
to the very last second.

935
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:39,800
I don't.
And there are little things like

936
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:42,760
that that just tells a listener,
OK, I can just check out now.

937
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:45,880
So that's some of my feedback
there.

938
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:48,240
But I do appreciate the call to
action.

939
00:49:48,240 --> 00:49:50,440
It was quick.
It was a minute or so at the

940
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:55,680
most and it was direct and it
also fit their personality.

941
00:49:55,680 --> 00:50:00,200
It wasn't just a scripted read
and I really appreciated that

942
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:02,040
about it as well.
BC did you want to give some

943
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:04,160
feedback?
Yeah, I was going to say it was

944
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:05,520
nice.
As the music video was building

945
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:08,080
up softly, it could have just
like felt like flowed out from

946
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:11,320
there and I kind of wish it did.
And then otherwise, while I do

947
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:14,520
consider myself an F bomb
connoisseur, I will say I didn't

948
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:18,160
have issues with accents earlier
on in the show.

949
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:21,640
But right here towards the end,
it felt really, really kind of

950
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:23,920
shot off.
This was the one point in the

951
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:25,960
show where I was like, yeah,
this is where it's hard for even

952
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:29,520
me who talks to people of all
backgrounds all the time.

953
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:31,640
I could barely keep up with what
they were saying.

954
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:35,040
It felt very unstructured.
I was like, this could have been

955
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:37,280
a lot better.
Yeah, yeah, I did write down

956
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:41,160
that either to have a script or
a an outline for them to really

957
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:44,480
just follow so that it can be
direct and to the point and

958
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:47,480
hopefully help them slow down a
little bit as well.

959
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:49,800
Because yeah, you're right, it
did feel a little rushed at the

960
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:52,760
same time at the end and it was
harder to to follow.

961
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:55,800
Janae is on stage, so I want to
give him a moment.

962
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:57,840
Janae, good morning.
Did you want to add anything to

963
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:00,440
this?
This was a really great

964
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:04,080
breakdown of the show and they
did a really awesome work and

965
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:06,440
you guys did an amazing job
breaking it down and telling

966
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:08,840
them how they can Polish it and
make it even better.

967
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:12,400
I think the ending was
intentional because if you

968
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:15,760
remember in Ferris Bueller's Day
Off, most people just watch till

969
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:18,520
the end credit and then Ferris
Bueller's comes up and looks at

970
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:19,960
the Brexit 4th walls.
Right.

971
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:22,440
What are you still doing here?
So maybe that's something that

972
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:28,000
they wanted to do and people who
are regular listeners know

973
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:31,280
there's something at the end, so
they'll stay till the end, just

974
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:33,480
like we there for all of Marvel
movies.

975
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:36,320
The thing that might have been
intentional, but I don't.

976
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:40,800
Know, I think Janae, I think
that's a beautiful idea I it's

977
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:43,360
something that I used to do on
my old podcast, the Mork and

978
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:46,360
Lowell show.
We called those Easter eggs and

979
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:49,280
our audience got to know that we
were doing that and it wasn't

980
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:51,400
something that I often would
even talk about.

981
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:55,320
Once in a while we would just to
tease it and keep more people

982
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:57,280
listening.
Maybe newer listeners don't know

983
00:51:57,280 --> 00:51:58,760
yet.
So once in a while we will

984
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:02,120
mention the Easter egg is coming
or what it might be.

985
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:06,600
But yeah, we do that in our
audience is absolutely would

986
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:08,440
hang on to hear what we had to
say.

987
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:10,560
Maybe they would skip a little
bit 'cause sometimes I would

988
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:14,440
even leave like 10 seconds of
silence before the Easter egg.

989
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:18,360
That was a great way to keep
them all listening all the way

990
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:21,960
through.
I will say overall, again, this

991
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:26,480
podcast I think nailed it.
I think they did overall a great

992
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:28,400
job.
I think there was a lot that we

993
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:31,240
could learn about the things
that they did well, and I think

994
00:52:31,240 --> 00:52:33,760
there is a lot we could learn
about areas that they could

995
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:37,440
Polish up.
So I hope this was helpful to

996
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:40,440
you, our audience.
I hope that you appreciate our

997
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:43,640
newer format to the evaluation
series.

998
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:47,360
I hope you feel like, yeah, you
understand this podcast that we

999
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:50,240
broke down and got to enjoy a
little bit of it too.

1000
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:54,120
So we are back tomorrow, 7:00 AM
Eastern live on Clubhouse,

1001
00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:56,960
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the things.

1002
00:52:57,160 --> 00:53:01,440
If you need that information, go
to podcastingmorningchat.com.

1003
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:05,440
And until tomorrow, make it a
great day everybody.

1004
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:06,000
Take care.