350 - Tips for a Beginner Podcaster

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Good morning podcasting Morning
Chat.

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Today is Tuesday, August 5th,
2025, and today we're here for

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every new and aspiring
podcaster, sharing honest

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answers, smart strategies, and
the little things that make a

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big difference.
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and we'll get things rolling.
Thanks for being here.

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Good morning again, podcasting.
Morning, Chad.

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Thank you for being here.
I am your host, Mark Ronick and

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on stage with me.
We've got a full house.

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We've got Nick Nalbach, Amanda
Sharp, Sid Meadows, Dr. Faye,

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Jonathan Howard, Alex Baelish,
and of course, producer Ashley

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Feller is here with us.
And thanks to those of you who

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are in the audience right now.
Dr. I'm going to check in with

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you first.
I just want to know is something

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going on with your sound?
You have a different setup or a

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different.
I do, I'm using my zoom P4 but

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do I not sound clear?
You sound clear, you just sound

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different.
OK, I appreciate that and I

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don't really know if I can
change a lot of that on the Zoom

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P4 because I am traveling this
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I am in Atlantic City, my in
laws have a condo out here so we

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get to enjoy it without having
to spend money on a hotel or

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somewhere else.
We get to enjoy this for a few

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days before we head out to the
Pittsburgh area where we will be

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volunteering at a summer camp
for kids with the disability

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called CMT Charcot Marie Tooth.
It is a neurological disease

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that affects people's basically
their limbs, their extremities,

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hands, fingers, wrists, toes,
feet, ankles.

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It makes things very challenging
for them.

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And there's currently not really
a cure out there, although

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they're making strides.
But what we're trying to do is

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every summer that the CMTA does
a thing where twice a summer,

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once on the West Coast, once on
the east, they host a week long

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summer camp.
For these kids who maybe in

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usual circumstances, say at
school or wherever, they may

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feel a little different.
They may feel a little bit out

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of place because they can't
always do all the things that a

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lot of the other kids can.
And providing a space like this

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really makes all the difference
for these kids.

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They get to shine.
They get to feel like

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themselves.
I remember when my friend Jonah,

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who's the director of the camp,
I remember him telling me once

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when he really recognized that
this was something special.

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I think driving up and down the
camp in a golf cart, making sure

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everybody's getting up and ready
to go to breakfast.

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And he's driving up and down and
he sees all the bunks and he

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sees all the kids out and, and
counselors, some counselors as

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well, out sitting on their
porches of their decks, all

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putting on.
They're different braces for

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their legs or maybe strapping
into their wheelchairs.

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But they're all out there doing
the same thing and doing

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something that in normal
circumstances on in their

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day-to-day, they're the only
ones sitting out on their porch

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putting on those braces and
feeling out of place in many

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cases.
And in this case, they just feel

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welcome.
They feel like one of the pack

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and there's something really
super special about it for them,

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so I'm really excited to be a
part of this.

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I've been around CMT all my life
because of my friend Jonah, who

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I've known since I was a young
teenager, so I'm very familiar

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with it and really excited to
pour into all these kids.

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I can't wait to to share more
about this experience because

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this will be my first time at
this camp.

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But for now, yeah.
You know that that is what has

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spurred Alan Jackson's
retirement.

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You know that.
I did.

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Yes, I did know that the CMTA,
which again, I've done podcasts

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for them and I've done a lot of
stuff because of my friend

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Jonah.
And yes, I had heard that a few

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years ago he had made that
announcement.

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It's a really challenging
disease for sure.

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And.
As you know, it's, it's, it's

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very kind of under the radar.
It kind of gets swept in with

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that hole.
I'm just reiterating this for

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the room.
It kind of gets swept into the

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muscular dystrophy family, but
got some, some distinctions.

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I don't know what they all are.
I'm sure you know a lot more

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than I do about it, but I don't.
Yeah, Yeah.

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I think, don't quote me on this,
but I do know that CMT is a

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neurologic disease.
It's basically not sending all

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the right signals to those
extremities that I was

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explaining earlier.
Whereas muscular dystrophy is

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just that it's a muscular
disease and it is the

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deterioration of those muscles.
So there are differences.

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But yes, for many many years CMT
was just considered another

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element or another type of
muscular dystrophy, but nowadays

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completely it's been recognized
as completely different.

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I think to your point, that's
why it's so great that you're

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spotlighting it, because if it
doesn't get diagnosed properly,

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that's where it gets
misdiagnosed because it gets

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swept into that family.
So yeah, it's great that you're

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doing that.
Absolutely.

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Thank you, Jeff for coming up on
stage and pointing that out as

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well.
So I will share more about that

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down the road.
Another housekeeping item for

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everybody, I've been every so
often I've been asking you for

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your vote for podcast awards,
Podcast awards.com.

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We were nominated for two
different awards, the Adam Curry

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People's Choice and the
Education Award.

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And unfortunately we did not
move on to the next round of, I

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don't know if it's nominations
or what, but it's the next

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round.
We did not get that nomination.

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And I blame myself to be honest
with you.

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And I'm not that bent out of
shape, don't get me wrong.

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But Dr., do you want to say
something before I go on?

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Just wanted to ask how we got
nominated.

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Is this one that you submitted
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Yes, OK.
Yeah, most of these awards,

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that's the case with you.
Submit yourself and then you

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find out whether or not you're
part of that nominee list.

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But yeah, I the lessons that I
learned from this is that I

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didn't do a good job promoting
it.

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If I really wanted it, I should
have worked harder to promote

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it.
And what does that mean?

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Well, for one, I didn't even ask
and reach out to friends and

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family, which I think is a real
shame because we do often

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encourage or at least a lot of
people here, podcasters all the

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time, you know, their fan, their
friends, their family that have

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become a podcaster.
Oh, please, you know, follow my

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podcast, subscribe to my
podcast, please comment on my

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post.
You know, we're asking friends

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and family to help.
And a lot of times we've talked

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about here in the past that yes,
it's nice to do and it gives you

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a little bit of a bump.
And those people may not be your

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target audience.
So you may get that initial bump

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from them, but then eventually
they'll go away, right, Because

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they're not necessarily
interested in that content,

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where in this case, I think this
is the prime opportunity to take

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advantage of friends and family
and ask them for your vote,

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right?
Yeah.

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They're not your target
audience, but they are a number,

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and they will help increase your
odds if they need to vote for

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you.
If that's the way that this

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particular podcast award works.
And I just failed to do that, I

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never put it out there.
And I don't know why, to be

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honest with you, I think I just
forgot.

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So it's a, it's a lesson learned
that if I'm going to apply to

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different awards, I need to make
sure I'm exhausting all my

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options.
I'm reaching out to all the

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different people who may care
enough to give me that vote.

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So I encourage you, if you're
doing that kind of thing, make

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sure you're you're reaching out
to all your different resources,

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all your different contacts or
something like that.

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But I will say a big Congrats to
Steven Koeffer, who is a

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community member more active
over in in our Facebook group as

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opposed to here on the podcast
in morning chat in the mornings.

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And he and his Co host Paul,
they've made it through the

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nomination round into the final
slate.

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Their podcast film Fights with
friends podcast is nominated in

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the TV film category of the 20th
anniversary podcast award.

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So kudos to Steven and his as Co
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They do.
They are stunt actors in

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Hollywood, so they talk a lot
about that and a lot about TV

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and movies in general.
So kudos to them.

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I'm really excited to see
somebody in this community that

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has been nominated.
For podcast award.

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Very cool.
Let's dig in to the mailbag

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today.
I want to try to keep this based

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on some of these questions that
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I want to keep this as a theme
for mainly for new and aspiring

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podcasters.
So we're going to go through 1-2

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pieces of mail.
And then I also have a rapid

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fire round where I have basic
questions for you as an

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experienced or more experienced
podcaster than say a new or

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aspiring one for you to Give
your opinion.

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And of course, I'll open it up
to the room as well for

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everybody to chime in.
So more on that in a moment.

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First, let's dig into the
mailbag.

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This is actually something that
we found to help keep us on

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theme for new and aspiring
podcasters.

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This comes from the Buzz Sprout
podcast community over on

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Facebook.
It comes from someone named

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Kristen and Kristen says I was
looking at how our podcast shows

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up in the Apple Podcasts up next
feed and notice that our show

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description isn't showing up and
let me explain that so she.

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It's good because.
She provided a snapshot, a

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little screenshot where you see
her show next to three other

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shows and it's the the next
episode of her show and those

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three others and each one has
piece of.

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Art.
Cover art.

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And it has a title.
It starts as a description.

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The whole description doesn't
display in this particular view.

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And this particular podcaster,
Kristen, she's showing that her

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screenshot of her podcast just
shows the episode title.

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It doesn't show any piece, any
part of the description.

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So she goes on to say, I suspect
it's because of a super long

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title.
Ours is the one on the left.

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That's the one I just described
to you, but wanted to make sure

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I wasn't missing anything.
So then her questions, do you

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number your episodes?
Because she includes a number in

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the title of her episode, making
it a little longer.

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And she goes on to say, I feel
like this is an OG podcaster

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thing harkening back to my early
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And then she asks, do you use
episode specific artwork?

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And the popular question I know
we've answered in the past

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before, how long are your
episodes?

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So let's talk a little bit about
how we are titling our episodes.

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Let's start with her first
question.

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Who here number puts a number in
the title.

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So for example, here at the
podcasting morning chat a few

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months back, we decided I
decided to put in an episode

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number at the very beginning of
the title.

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I find it, it's important to do.
I'll bite my tongue and not

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share why, but some people may
say you don't need to do that

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because there are other places
that you can number your

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episodes.
So I'm curious first, what is

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what do people do?
What have you done with your

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podcast?
If your podcast is on a hiatus,

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what have you done previously?
If it's going on now, what do

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you do now?
Do you put in an episode number

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in your title?
Let's go to Alex.

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Go ahead, Alex.
Hey, good morning, everybody.

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It depends on the podcast, but
for what we do on what is from,

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it's kind of important because
it's a series and people are

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looking for specific episodes,
you know, having it in the

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title.
We also put the season, we put

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the title.
I still try to work with the AI

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to come up with a jazzy kind of
title of it.

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But at the end of the day, if
the title is called, you know of

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the episode, it's going to be in
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But we also try to, I try to
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But yeah, now for that, I think
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number, but it's not.
So it's not so much for us as it

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It just makes it easier for for
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Yeah, that's how I see it too.
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school way.
A lot of us used to do that

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because back in the day you
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There wasn't another place for
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podcasting, that wasn't really
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different podcasting hosts.
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If you're giving episode numbers

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to your podcast episodes through
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will then translate show over on
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but none of them necessarily
display the number of your

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episodes.
It will organize them

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appropriately, but it doesn't
necessarily show it as you know,

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episode today for us, for
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It doesn't say anywhere clearly
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It would then be hard for a
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specific episode.
There are lots of us that say,

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oh, go back to episode 222 where
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Well, that's really hard for
somebody to find if there is no,

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No title or I'm sorry, no
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displayed.
So that's a reason why I like to

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put it in our episode titles so
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it.
So I'm with you there, Alex.

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Is there anybody that's on the
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Just no, don't do that.
I mean, good morning, everybody.

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I'm not on the other side of the
fence, but I do not do it.

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I guess I would say I'm
straddling the fence.

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If you want to do it, do it.
If you don't, don't.

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But if I recall correctly, the
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episode number in because we
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reason we did not put it in was
because at a time podcast was

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including the number.
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number because I just looked at
Apple and Spotify both and they

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don't include the number on
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when Apple included the the

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number of the episode.
So that's why we stopped doing

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it.
And it was a long time ago, too.

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Yeah, so I maybe I've since
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originally didn't display
numbers then they, it sounds

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like yes, then they did
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don't again.
So I personally like to include

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the number in there.
I have heard some people say, I

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don't know this to be true 100%,
but I've heard people say that

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Apple actually frowns on that if
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episode title.
I don't know why they would

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really, but apparently that some
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Go ahead, Jeff.
No, I don't, sorry.

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It's Jeff.
I don't know if This is why they

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would do it, but I would say
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against, you know, to your
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track down an episode.
If you're tracking it down by

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the number, it's easy for you to
say, oh, you need to check out

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episode 77.
But I would also say that I've

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got a lot of friends that are
watching Suits on Netflix and

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they think it's brand new.
And they wouldn't think it's

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brand new if you'd put the
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and the title.
So you know, there can be some

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advantage to repurposing content
and making it feel more timeless

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if you don't put a timestamp on
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That's a good point.
I like that.

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That's a good point.
And I've also heard another

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reason to avoid putting it,
which again, can't confirm it,

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but another reason would be it
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people aren't searching, they
aren't asking their questions

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with a number in front of their
question, right?

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I don't know, Nick, I'm going to
come to you.

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Do you think there's any
validity to that?

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I'm coming to you because you
know a thing or two more than I

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do about SEO.
Do you think there's any

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validity to it hurting you by
putting a number in your episode

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title?
In the grand scheme of things, I

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don't really think so.
I don't think it's going to help

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you, but I don't think it'll
really hurt you.

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And the big thing, the only
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potential is typically you want
whatever keywords you're

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targeting to be as close to the
front of that title as possible.

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So if you have an episode number
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are being eaten up by it, but I
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minuscule that you wouldn't
really notice or that SEO would

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be a factor.
OK, so there you go.

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Nick says probably not and I
want to see if anybody else.

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Yes, Sid, did you want to add
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Well, if you felt like that you
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searchability or things of that
nature, you could always put it

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in the description rather than
in the title, right?

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If you were concerned about
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you could put it in the
description and just start at

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episode 681 or episode 200 or
whatever.

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Just put it in the title.
Not seeing me on the title.

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Put it in the description or the
show to start the show Note with

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that and then it's at least
there.

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Yeah, I like that idea too.
Awesome.

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OK.
And then Dr. you had something

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and then we'll go back to Nick.
Yeah, I wanted number one, I

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wanted to remind everyone in the
room that we have a poll going

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on.
You can vote on this.

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So that's fun.
It's.

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Where is that?
Never seen it before.

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Where's that happening?
Refresh.

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It's at the top of the page.
Maybe I have to update my app?

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I don't see it.
There because it's cool you can

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see what the results are.
And also for the ones that don't

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put the number in, would you put
in a title such as the three

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best ways to blah, blah, blah,
the five top reasons, the blah,

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blah, blah, would you put in a
title such as that?

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And isn't that the same kind of
principle about, you know,

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algorithms and blah, blah, blah?
Because I, I'm a number, I'm on

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the numbers cap.
I put the number in.

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In the title.
Yeah.

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Yeah.
Well before the title.

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Right, right.
OK.

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It's not season 3 episode, it's

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just it's just the number and
then maybe a period and two

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spaces is what I do.
Mm hmm.

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Yeah, like so and what we do
here it's three fifth like our

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today's number it's 350 dash and
then the title, that's how I do

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it, right?
Yeah.

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So your question is what exactly
Dr. For the ones who don't put

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in the number, are you likely to
put in a title?

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That would be because if
everyone knows that putting in

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these titles is kind of, it's
very attractive to people.

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The three top reasons that blah,
blah, blah are the five worst

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blah, blah, blah, they if you do
something like that, that's

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always eye-catching.
So why wouldn't that be applied

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to the same principle when it
comes to algorithms?

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I think it should be, it should
work just the same.

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Yeah.
And, and I think by the way, I

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think doing titles like that,
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etcetera, I think those are very
effective ways of capturing

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attention in the titles for
sure.

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Yeah.
Nick, you wanted to add

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something?
Yeah, I first wanted to comment

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on what Sid was talking about,
and then I'll after what Dr.

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said, I want to comment on
something about that.

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So with Sid saying the episode
description, like put the number

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in the episode description
instead of the title.

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As a listener, I don't prefer
that just because a lot of the

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podcast apps like don't give you
the little snippet of the

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episode description.
Sometimes it's just the title.

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If all of them were consistent
and they all gave that number in

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the description, or I could
still scroll through and if I

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was looking for a specific
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that would come in.
I'd have to actually open up the

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episode and be like, OK, what
episode did I Scroll down to

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you?
OK, now that's not the one.

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Go back, keep scrolling.
OK, jump to the next one.

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Open that up.
Like I I'd like being able to

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say, OK, Mark told me I need to
check out episode 50 of this

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podcast.
I can quickly Scroll down to 50

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in the title and be like, OK,
that's the episode I need to

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listen to.
That's where it to me as the

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listener, I really enjoy that.
It makes my time spent on it a

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lot less demanding to get to
where we need to get to.

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But to DRS point, because you're
really Dr. talking about the

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fact that there's a number in
the title at all, right?

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Right, correct.
I think the the five best or the

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three worst or don't make these
mistakes, these five mistakes or

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whatever, I feel like that is
more plain to the psychological

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or the psyche of the listener or
the person that's looking for

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the episode.
That's more, that's less SEO

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driven and more attention
grabbing for someone that's

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scrolling through where an
episode number in the title

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isn't really going to grab
anybody's attention unless

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they're like, holy crap, our
podcast is on episode 350.

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Like that's cool.
I think that's where the the

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difference is.
It doesn't have as much of an

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SEO impact as it does a human
impact.

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OK.
That makes sense.

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Yeah.
Thank you for answering that.

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You know, one of the other
things that I got myself in a

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little bit of trouble is for
those of you that like to batch,

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I used to say the episode number
in the actual recording and I

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got myself in a lot of trouble
because sometimes I might not

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release it at that point.
And then I had, you know, it's

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like episode 10 and it's really
not.

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It's episode 8 or whatever it
was.

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And I know it seems like it
seems, you know, maybe that's

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just my organizational or lack
of organizational skills, but I

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stopped doing that.
And I know that's probably like

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a duh moment, but it's just one
of those things that you could

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get yourself in a little bit of
trouble.

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So I'm not so much worried about
the title as much as saying it

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in the in the audio.
This is episode whatever.

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You might get yourself in a
little bit of trouble, but then

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you're starting to do all this
like when did this release?

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When did that release?
And then you might have, then

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you might have like extra
episodes, for instance, you

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know, we would have our normal
episode after the show airs, but

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then we might do other episodes
in between.

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So then that screws up that.
But we're kind of a it's not

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that it's that unique, but it's
more of a structure than it is

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what most people do.
Yeah, I appreciate you bringing

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that up because, yeah, batch
recording, as advantageous as it

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can be for a podcaster, it does
create its own set of challenges

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and you really want to be as
organized as possible if you're

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going to do batch recording.
I mean, I have a client who, as

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far as batch recording goes
specifically probably my best

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client in that regard.
They're they work way ahead of

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schedule.
Their seasons are done and being

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released and they're already on
to the next season.

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Yeah, as far as their recording
goes.

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And the challenge is, is that
sometimes then they want to

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rearrange their episode.
So they'll submit their episode

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to ironic media for us to edit
and they'll say it's episode,

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you know, 100.
But then later down the road,

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they're like, you know what?
We'd rather that be episode one

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O 2 because we've got this great
guest that we, we just recorded

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with and we want that one to
come out first.

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And then everything gets screwed
up and you have to go back and

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change a lot of folder names,
file names, etcetera.

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And it can get a little sticky.
So yeah, you have to be careful

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when you're batch recording and
make sure that you've got a

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really organized system.
That could probably be a whole

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episode in itself talking about
how we stay organized with batch

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recordings.
Anyone else want to weigh in

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before I?
Well, before you, before you

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00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:51,480
move on to the next subject, I
wanted to give the, I wanted to

450
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:54,880
give the results of the poll.
They're no longer on the screen

451
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:58,440
and the math doesn't work out,
but this is what it said.

452
00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:06,040
So 84% said yes they do number
and 17% said no they don't.

453
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:09,560
I know it doesn't work out.
I know it's like weird but

454
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:12,480
that's what it said.
OK, well there you go.

455
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:15,320
But it seems the one thing that
seems certain is the vast

456
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:18,840
majority are numbering episodes.
My question is, Dr. does the

457
00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:22,760
poll say numbering episodes
within the title or is it just

458
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:24,680
more generic?
Do you number your episodes?

459
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:27,040
It was more generic.
OK, OK.

460
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:30,360
Well, I would guess that the
majority of podcasters are

461
00:26:30,360 --> 00:26:33,200
numbering their episodes.
The big question is, are how

462
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:36,040
many of them are including it in
the title.

463
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:39,560
I did see there were a couple of
answers.

464
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:43,480
Like I said, this came from the
Buzz Sprout Facebook group.

465
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:47,920
And I see here that Dave
Jackson, one of our Empowered

466
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:51,880
Podcasting speakers, this
September, he'll be in Charlotte

467
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:54,520
speaking there.
He says I keep track of the

468
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:56,720
number but do not use it in my
titles.

469
00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:01,600
I do use specific artwork as I
display it on my website.

470
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:04,480
My episodes are as long as they
need to be.

471
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:07,560
He's answering one of the other
questions and not a minute

472
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:10,320
longer.
As Valerie Geller says, there's

473
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:13,120
no such thing as too long, only
too boring.

474
00:27:13,120 --> 00:27:16,880
That I agree with.
That's why I say, I do say that

475
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,680
when my clients first come to
me, how long should my podcast

476
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:22,880
episodes be?
I say as as long as they keep me

477
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,720
entertained.
And by me, I really mean by

478
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:29,400
their target audience because I
might not be their target

479
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:31,680
audience.
But I think that is the key.

480
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:36,880
That's why I do think for the
most part, most people can get

481
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:40,200
an episode and all the
information out within around 30

482
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:45,440
minutes in most cases.
So I do give you that as a as a

483
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:47,680
rule of thumb.
But ultimately, if it goes

484
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:51,240
longer, fine, as long as it's
still interesting, as long as

485
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,880
there's still value and
entertainment that's being

486
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:57,920
provided to the audience.
So thank you, Dave Jackson and.

487
00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:02,240
And Daniel J Lewis is pretty
much echoing what you and I both

488
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:05,040
think about numbers in the
titles, which is we're doing

489
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:09,480
that for reference sake, so you
can refer back to it quickly.

490
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,720
Absolutely, yeah.
And I think actually, I see here

491
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:16,360
Daniel J Lewis had also said
he's come around.

492
00:28:16,360 --> 00:28:18,840
He's changed his mind about that
recently.

493
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:22,160
So he used to be in the camp
more of no, do not put the

494
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:25,440
episode numbers in the titles.
But I think he's come to to

495
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:28,440
learn that.
Yeah, that is, if nothing more.

496
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:31,080
It's the reference point.
It's much easier to find an

497
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:34,360
episode number in the titles
than it is to find the full

498
00:28:34,360 --> 00:28:38,160
title, the all the words,
because there's just a lot of

499
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:40,000
words to sift through.
When you have a number, it's

500
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:44,000
just easy, and it's sequential,
so you can really jump to it

501
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:45,880
relatively quickly.
Right.

502
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:50,600
And especially, especially if
you are going to be talking on

503
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:55,600
stage and referring to an
episode, if someone talks about

504
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:58,920
asks the question about
monetization, you need to have

505
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:02,080
those numbers in your head.
What shows were they

506
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:06,280
specifically about monetization?
Well, if you tune into episode

507
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:11,720
3275 and 55, then you'll find
out all about monetization.

508
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:15,560
You know, it gives you like a
reference point to give people.

509
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:20,400
Absolutely, 100%.
And Nick, did you want to chime

510
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:22,120
in again?
I was going to say like, think

511
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:27,080
about this podcast that's we've
put out so many episodes and

512
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:30,600
it'd be impossible to not cover
the same topics more than once.

513
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,640
Like I know we've had episodes
where we've talked about episode

514
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:35,480
titles and numbers and titles in
the past.

515
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:39,040
And if you were trying to send
someone back to this specific

516
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:42,600
episode, you you tell them like,
hey, we talked about should you

517
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:44,400
or shouldn't you put a number in
the episode title?

518
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:47,360
Someone could be scrolling
forever looking for that title

519
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:50,360
or looking for that episode and
then find multiple episodes

520
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:52,280
where they're like, oh, they
talked about it here, they

521
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,040
talked about it here.
Which one did you want me to go

522
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:55,640
to?
Right where the number you can

523
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,120
say, OK, yeah, you go to 350.
Check out that one.

524
00:29:58,120 --> 00:29:59,440
We had a really good discussion
on it.

525
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:01,360
Referencing is makes it way
easier.

526
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:06,000
Yeah, absolutely.
And what about episode specific

527
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:07,840
artwork?
That was one of the questions.

528
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:10,080
Do you use episode specific
artwork?

529
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:14,520
We here at the podcasting
morning Chat we do and I for the

530
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:18,920
longest time was not one that
just cared about doing that.

531
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:21,480
To me.
It was an extra step that just I

532
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:23,520
didn't feel like spending the
extra time on.

533
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:26,520
But I've come around since then
and a lot of that's because of

534
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,520
AI and it makes it so quick and
easy for me to do.

535
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:35,240
I just ultimately what I'll do
is I'll go into ChatGPT 4 O and

536
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:37,560
I'll sometimes give it a
transcript.

537
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:41,120
If I can't think of a concept
for the episode art in general,

538
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:44,040
I'll just give it the transcript
and say give me a few different

539
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:49,320
concepts for podcast episode
cover art based on this

540
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:52,240
transcript.
And that gives me whatever,

541
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:56,040
however many I ask for, let's
say 345 different concepts and I

542
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:58,120
pick the one.
And then sometimes I just go

543
00:30:58,120 --> 00:30:59,920
with it.
Sometimes I'll tell it, yeah, do

544
00:30:59,920 --> 00:31:01,920
this instead of that.
I'll give it a little bit of

545
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:04,760
specific instructions and have
it spit it out.

546
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:08,160
But that makes it, it just makes
it so much easier to do.

547
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:11,200
Whereas, you know, having to go
into Canva and building

548
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:14,800
something fresh, even working
from a template, I just it just

549
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:18,000
annoys me to have to sit there
and try to manipulate a template

550
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,160
each and every time, especially
doing a daily podcast.

551
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,960
So I like to lean on ChatGPT and
do it that way.

552
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:27,520
And I find that the artwork is
pretty dynamic.

553
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:29,320
I think it captures people's
attention.

554
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:35,240
I noticed that when I forget to
do it particularly, Yeah, on

555
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:41,840
Spotify, I noticed that my
downloads are not as high as the

556
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:45,120
other episodes.
So I think it does something,

557
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:49,480
whether it's maybe Spotify
pushing it out more because it

558
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:54,560
looks at the episode as more of
a complete package and or maybe

559
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:58,000
it's just that when people are
looking through podcasts, it's

560
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:00,480
grabs their attention.
Maybe it's a combination of

561
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:03,120
both.
Who does specific SO?

562
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:07,360
I do I'll jump in and Ashley and
Dr. both had their hand raised

563
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:08,400
too.
Mark I do.

564
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:13,320
I started it this year with this
season and I did it just because

565
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:15,760
I saw other people doing it and
I really like the way it looks

566
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:19,880
when you see the multi, the
screen with the multi episodes

567
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:22,920
on it.
And so basically we just made a

568
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:26,560
graphic in Canva and it's a
template and says the name of

569
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:28,520
the podcast.
And all we do is drop the

570
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:33,560
person's name in the bar and
then put their headshot in

571
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:36,520
there.
And I the only reason I did it

572
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:39,040
is because of the way that it
looks when you're looking in the

573
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:40,920
multi view.
I just see it looks really good.

574
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:43,640
And so that's why we did it.
Awesome, There you go.

575
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:47,320
There's so there's a vote for
individual episode art.

576
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:49,920
And yeah, it can make a lot of
sense when you have a guest.

577
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,640
That in itself changes up the
art every time.

578
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:55,360
If you're using templates, it
should be relatively quick.

579
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:59,080
If you're using an image of you
and your guest, well, yours can

580
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:01,960
always be a static image.
It's the same one and then you

581
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:05,320
just swap out the guests.
And you know, if you're putting

582
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:07,640
a title on the episode, you'll
swap out the title too.

583
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:13,320
But that that's a good example
of pro episode cover art.

584
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:16,800
And I saw so Sid said Ashley and
Dr. said something.

585
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:19,320
Let's go to Ashley, who we
haven't really spoken to yet to

586
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:20,720
this morning.
Good morning, Ashley.

587
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:22,480
What did you want to add?
Good morning.

588
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:25,080
Yes.
I add individual art for every

589
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:27,800
show I work on, and I love
getting the artwork from you

590
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:30,160
every day.
It's kind of like sitting down

591
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:32,680
and reading the morning comics
at the different every day, and

592
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:36,600
they're usually very cool.
But yeah, even for my happiest

593
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:39,000
life, we take a point during the
production.

594
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:42,080
I get out my good camera, we
find a good place in the room,

595
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,560
and I take a decent picture of
the host and the guest so that

596
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:49,880
we can use that for the artwork.
Because I think of it, you know,

597
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:53,560
you wouldn't put out a magazine
the same cover every time.

598
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:57,200
I sort of think of your podcast
cover as sort of the same thing.

599
00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:00,160
It's an attraction to whatever
that episode is.

600
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:02,360
Right.
And same thing in music too,

601
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:04,480
right Ashley?
You're not putting out a new

602
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:07,440
album with the same exact
artwork every time.

603
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:09,639
So I think that's another
example.

604
00:34:09,639 --> 00:34:12,639
It does, it changes things up,
it create creates variety, it

605
00:34:12,639 --> 00:34:15,800
creates its own unique
experience for sure.

606
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:17,639
Dr. Did you want to add
something?

607
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:20,840
No, I forgot what it was, but we
have another poll question up

608
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:23,880
there.
Do you use episode specific

609
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:27,120
artwork?
And right now, yes, I do is at

610
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:32,239
67% and no I don't is at 34%.
I like the polls, all right.

611
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:34,760
Who's making?
These doesn't add up.

612
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:36,760
Yeah, I know it.
Doesn't you know why?

613
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:38,480
It's cuz SIDS.
I've been throwing them up.

614
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:42,080
No, you know why?
It's cuz SIDS vote has more

615
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:45,080
weight than the rest of ours.
I see.

616
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:49,080
I will say in terms of the art,
that's the way I was taught was

617
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:51,840
to do specific art for each
episode.

618
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:55,560
I've been doing that for years.
If you're a new podcaster and

619
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:59,720
you end up doing like seasons,
what I try to do is I try to

620
00:34:59,720 --> 00:35:04,800
have like a theme for every
season and then change it up as

621
00:35:05,240 --> 00:35:09,000
as needed so that people when
they're going to it, it's a

622
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:10,040
different.
Experience.

623
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:12,280
Well, they just know it's a
different season.

624
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:17,040
I guess I'm a product of, you
know, the VHS or the DVDII was

625
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:19,920
watching The West Wing this past
week and 1/2 or whatever.

626
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:24,240
And you know, like season 1 is
blue, season 2 is green,

627
00:35:24,240 --> 00:35:27,240
whatever it is, you know, and,
and that's kind of my thought

628
00:35:27,240 --> 00:35:29,480
towards it.
Again, that's just the way our,

629
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:31,800
our network always did.
They always tried to have

630
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:35,560
specific art for each episode
but same type of theme.

631
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:37,800
Yeah, it's, it's all the
branding strategy.

632
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:40,560
And Speaking of branding, I'm
going to go to Jonathan because

633
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:44,560
not only is Jonathan one of our
branding experts in this

634
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:47,440
community, he's also got a brand
new podcast.

635
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:51,360
So I want to hear about what
Jonathan is doing as far as, you

636
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:54,800
know, adding numbers in the
titles, what is he doing for

637
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:57,200
cover art, etcetera.
So go for it, Jonathan.

638
00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:59,800
Let's hear a little bit about
your podcast and what you're

639
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:02,120
doing in regard to this mail
back question.

640
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:05,800
Yeah, so for numbers, I
absolutely include the numbers.

641
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:08,320
It's just easier to track.
And I know I'm going to have a

642
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:10,400
bunch of episodes because
they're short episodes, they're

643
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:12,520
10 minutes long, so I'm going to
have a ton of episodes.

644
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:15,000
So they need numbers.
Yeah, and by the way, Jonathan,

645
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:18,400
say the name of the new podcast.
Oh yes, the story lab, Story

646
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:21,600
lab, story lab.
Yep, I do have numbers in it.

647
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:27,720
I don't do custom art for each
episode because I do one for the

648
00:36:27,720 --> 00:36:30,120
season and keep the one for the
season.

649
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:35,640
I just like it to be branded and
and if I do different, you know,

650
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:38,240
it'll just feel a little bit
different and won't quite have

651
00:36:38,240 --> 00:36:39,720
that same impact with the
branding.

652
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:42,600
You can obviously use templates
and stuff that will give it that

653
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:47,800
feeling, but I tend to like to
just do one season 1 cover and

654
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:51,520
see how it goes.
I do however have slightly

655
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:54,600
different cover for YouTube
because YouTube is more.

656
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:57,840
You need a different cover on
YouTube because it needs to be

657
00:36:57,840 --> 00:36:59,720
more towards the customer that's
there.

658
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:04,880
And YouTube also has put it out
there before that it does make a

659
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:07,680
difference as far as
searchability, as far as

660
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:12,640
discoverability, that they put a
lot of weight on the album art,

661
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:14,440
the cover art, whatever you want
to call it.

662
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:18,120
That's really important if
you're putting videos up on

663
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:20,240
YouTube.
It, you know, Nick and I have

664
00:37:20,240 --> 00:37:22,680
talked about this before.
We've tested it with some of the

665
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:25,000
next Gen. podcaster stuff that
we've done.

666
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:30,320
And even changing the cover art
over on YouTube, if, let's say

667
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:33,960
that episode didn't do
particularly well, you could

668
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:36,280
change the cover art.
And sometimes that gives it

669
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:39,560
another boost and it pushes it
out again to more people.

670
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:43,120
And if it's more effective, you
may get more eyes and ears on

671
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:46,080
that episode.
So it is something to consider

672
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:48,800
for sure.
And I was, I'll say this, you

673
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:52,000
know, the, the original part of
this mail back question was

674
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:56,280
about the fact that this
person's description wasn't

675
00:37:56,360 --> 00:38:00,560
being displayed at all.
Because what I believe looking

676
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:03,480
at it, their episode title was
way too long.

677
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:07,720
And when you're adding episode
numbers, that's another that's

678
00:38:07,720 --> 00:38:10,320
additional characters you're
adding to your title.

679
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:11,720
So you have to be really
careful.

680
00:38:11,720 --> 00:38:15,560
And I would say you want to keep
your titles to around 60

681
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:20,720
characters because I think that
will a not get cut off on the

682
00:38:20,720 --> 00:38:23,040
various platforms.
And it does vary.

683
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:26,640
For example, I think it used to
be 60 characters for Apple.

684
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:30,640
I think they've since extended
that to maybe double, but I

685
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:34,560
still think it's safer to try to
keep your episode titles to

686
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:38,280
around 60 characters in length
because then the title doesn't

687
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:41,720
get cut off.
And then in different displays

688
00:38:41,720 --> 00:38:45,120
on something like Apple or
Spotify, then you'll even get

689
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:48,920
some of that description to
display as well because the

690
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:53,200
title isn't taking up and eating
into the character space of that

691
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:55,400
description.
I hope that makes sense.

692
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:57,600
I think it does.
OK.

693
00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:00,280
Now what I want to do, we've got
about 15 minutes left and what I

694
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:02,760
want to do is some rapid fire
stuff.

695
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:07,480
So I'm going to go down the line
with these different questions

696
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:10,280
that I'll call this segment
Newbie Nuggets.

697
00:39:11,240 --> 00:39:13,800
In other words, I'm going to ask
you some questions that are

698
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:18,320
relatively common questions that
a lot of newer podcasters,

699
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:22,760
aspiring podcasters tend to ask.
And of course, I'll go to one

700
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:26,760
person, but anyone can chime in
and share along the way.

701
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:29,360
Amanda, we haven't heard from
you this morning.

702
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:32,400
What's one thing that you wish
you knew before you launched

703
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:35,040
your first podcast?
Well y'all know I just.

704
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:39,600
Go for it So.
I I don't feel like I'm.

705
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:43,720
OK.
And widely accepting that I'm

706
00:39:43,720 --> 00:39:46,480
going to learn along the way.
So I guess that would be my

707
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:49,680
advice is just be prepared to
learn along the way and fix

708
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:53,680
things as they arise or pivot as
you need to, but just start.

709
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:58,720
OK, so that that's actually
there is a lot of good advice in

710
00:39:58,720 --> 00:40:03,080
there, right, Because they won't
start because they're afraid

711
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:04,880
they think that they're going to
make mistakes.

712
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:07,600
And what your advice is, is
don't worry about the mistakes

713
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:10,760
where you're going to make them.
And so just go for it and learn

714
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:12,400
from those mistakes along the
way.

715
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:15,680
Absolutely.
The most prepared will still

716
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:18,040
find mistakes and create
mistakes along the way.

717
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:22,200
So yeah, like you can only be so
prepared, so just just go for

718
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:23,680
it.
Right, there's Amanda.

719
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:26,080
Anybody else want to chime in?
What?

720
00:40:26,240 --> 00:40:29,160
What's one thing that they wish
they knew before launching their

721
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:31,440
first podcast?
Dr. How about you?

722
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:35,480
I'll let you think about it,
because two other people just

723
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:37,320
raised their hand.
I want you to think about that,

724
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:39,200
dear.
It's really funny, Mark, because

725
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:40,760
she hasn't actually launched her
podcast.

726
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:41,360
That's.
True.

727
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:45,680
That's true.
All right, so I'm going to go to

728
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:48,080
Ashley.
Ashley, what's one thing you

729
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:51,200
wish you knew before your you
launched your first podcast?

730
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:53,680
To start.
With the right microphone.

731
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:57,280
And what I mean by that is when
I first started, someone had

732
00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:00,720
given me some recording
equipment and I just didn't

733
00:41:00,720 --> 00:41:03,960
think this is a condenser mic,
which means it's going to pick

734
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:06,920
up everything within a square
mile.

735
00:41:07,240 --> 00:41:10,400
So when I first started, I
started with the wrong mic in a

736
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:14,080
very echoey room.
And until I went out and got a

737
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:17,160
cardioid dynamic mic, my sound
was not that great.

738
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:19,280
So it's important to start with
the right mic.

739
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:22,240
That is the number one reason
why you'll we'll hear lots of

740
00:41:22,240 --> 00:41:25,480
podcasters say they hate the
Blue Yeti microphone because

741
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:28,720
it's a condenser mic.
It's really no, no fault of the

742
00:41:28,720 --> 00:41:30,880
Blue Yeti.
It was designed to be a

743
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:33,520
condenser mic, which means,
yeah, it does pick up a little

744
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:37,040
bit more of the room noise and
it's better to be in a more

745
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:40,080
controlled sound environment if
you're using that kind of

746
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:43,160
microphone.
And it's probably much easier

747
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:46,600
for a new podcaster who doesn't
have necessarily all the

748
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:51,000
conveniences of a soundproofed
room to use something more like

749
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:52,800
a dynamic mic.
Like you're talking about the

750
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:58,360
Samsung Q2U, the Shure MV7 does
the Rode podcaster mic.

751
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:01,680
Is that 1A condenser or is that
one dynamic I can never

752
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:03,720
remember?
That's a dynamic.

753
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:07,600
OK, so there you go.
So that one to the Rode mic as

754
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:10,520
well, that's a dynamic 1.
So those are the ones that tend

755
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:14,640
to be the the better ones to
start with, especially if you

756
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:17,400
don't have the room environment
for that.

757
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:19,000
Jonathan, did I see your hand
up?

758
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:22,040
You did.
I would say that there's so much

759
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:25,120
more than just recording when
you're doing your podcast.

760
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:27,720
It's great to record, and that's
awesome.

761
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:30,120
Love doing that.
But then there's all the other

762
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:35,040
stuff, the editing, the show
notes, the title, all of that.

763
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:38,880
And it takes probably the same
amount of time as recording, if

764
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:41,400
not more.
Thank you, Jonathan and Sid, go

765
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:44,040
ahead.
This is not going to surprise me

766
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:46,320
by that.
I'm going to say this, but you

767
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:49,960
need a plan and a strategy for
your show because it should be

768
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:54,200
part of your business.
It should be something that

769
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:57,400
brings people to you that
potentially can work with you.

770
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:00,320
I mean, I think Jonathan's a
really good example of what he

771
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:03,240
is doing with his podcast and
how it's going to bring people

772
00:43:03,240 --> 00:43:05,160
into his ecosystem that can
drive business.

773
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:08,240
So you absolutely have to have a
plan and a strategy.

774
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:09,920
Yeah.
Thank you.

775
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:15,360
I think that one's probably very
important one to mention today.

776
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:17,280
Yeah, have that plan, have that
strategy.

777
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:20,800
And you know what, maybe your
plan and strategy isn't around

778
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:23,400
your business, right?
Maybe you don't have a business

779
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:25,560
yet.
I still think having a plan and

780
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:28,920
strategy for your podcast to
help it grow, to help get more

781
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:33,280
people, more of their ears and
eyes on your content, on your

782
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:35,200
message.
I think the best way to do that

783
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:38,800
is to go in with a plan or a
strategy for sure.

784
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:41,680
All right, What about?
The biggest mistake?

785
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:45,360
A new podcaster can make.
Is that too too similar to this

786
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:47,320
one?
To the last question we had, I

787
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:48,160
don't.
Think so.

788
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:50,520
I'll go real quickly for it.
Overthinking.

789
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:53,040
Don't overthink it.
To Amanda's point, just start

790
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:55,560
right?
Do we get caught in this trap

791
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:59,080
of, oh, it's got to be perfect
and I got to do this and I need

792
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:02,200
to have that and you know, blah,
blah, don't overthink it.

793
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:05,160
You know, we'll go back tight to
the strategy and the plan.

794
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:08,280
A strategy for your podcast
doesn't have to be 35 pages

795
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:10,680
long, right?
Needs to include some very basic

796
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:12,760
things.
But you know, the most important

797
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:14,160
of those is who are you talking
to?

798
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:18,000
So you know, I would say just
don't overthink the situation

799
00:44:18,240 --> 00:44:21,520
because overthinking it will
stop you from progress.

800
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:24,520
I agree with that, Sid.
Thank you.

801
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:27,640
Yeah, don't overthink it.
And Ashley wants to chime in.

802
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:29,640
Go for it.
I would say one of the biggest

803
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:32,720
mistakes you can make, and I've
made this one, is naming your

804
00:44:32,720 --> 00:44:36,120
podcast like it's an inside joke
between you and your best

805
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:38,360
friend.
It's really important to give

806
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:42,480
your podcast a name that is
searchable and will be relevant

807
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:45,080
across cultures and all kinds of
people.

808
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:48,560
For example, I'll be brief when
when I first named mine, it was

809
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:50,640
the Saint Andrews Jezebel
podcast.

810
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:53,680
I didn't think there's a Saint
Andrew Andrews in almost every

811
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:57,520
country, so doing a local
podcast that really wasn't such

812
00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:00,840
a great idea because they were
finding about local things

813
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:03,040
happening in, say, Australia and
other places.

814
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:04,800
Yeah, I'm with you there,
Ashley.

815
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:07,200
Makes total sense.
And Sid's got something again.

816
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:10,200
Go for it, Sid.
I'm working on an idea for a new

817
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:15,760
podcast and I doing some
research and brainstorming and

818
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:18,080
like really trying to figure out
what I want to talk about.

819
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:21,920
And I'm getting there.
But I started looking at names

820
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:26,000
and you want to talk about a
challenge in looking at names

821
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:30,320
and especially if you've got a
popular keyword, right?

822
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:34,240
Oh my gosh, that's hard.
Like I was looking at Apple and

823
00:45:34,240 --> 00:45:37,240
Spotify to see if things were
name similar.

824
00:45:37,240 --> 00:45:40,720
I was using ChatGPT to search
and see if there were URLs

825
00:45:40,720 --> 00:45:44,760
available.
I mean, it is really hard to

826
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:47,520
name a podcast today.
Yeah, it really is.

827
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:51,480
And what's really frustrating
is, is I find a lot of times

828
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:55,880
when I'm trying to come up with
a, for an, for a client, when

829
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:59,040
I'm trying to come up with a
name, where we go and we look

830
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:02,760
and we see it's taken and it's a
podcast that hasn't been alive

831
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:06,680
in months or years, right?
It's just been a dormant

832
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:09,160
podcast.
And then you have the debate, do

833
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:13,000
I do it anyway, 'cause they're
not doing it anymore.

834
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:16,040
It's really challenging to find
a name.

835
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:20,680
And sometimes that's why I think
just being very direct and blunt

836
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:24,480
to the point what what whatever
that name is, but just what?

837
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:26,720
Just don't be too clever with
it.

838
00:46:26,720 --> 00:46:29,600
Just go straight to
straightforward that name,

839
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:32,600
whatever it is, don't the the
more clever you get.

840
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:36,240
I tend to find not only is it
hard for people to understand,

841
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:39,640
but to what everything Ashley
was saying earlier.

842
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:42,440
I think it's important to just
come up with something straight

843
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:46,160
to the point that everybody
knows right out of the gate,

844
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:47,720
right?
Well, here's the last one.

845
00:46:47,720 --> 00:46:51,360
I want to go with audio quality
or content.

846
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:55,360
What's more important?
And I'm saying audio quality on

847
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:57,720
purpose.
I'm not saying video in this

848
00:46:57,720 --> 00:47:03,200
instance, because we've shared
it before, that good audio is

849
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:08,000
more important than good video
in it, at least statistically

850
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:10,640
speaking.
Because if people can't hear

851
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:15,520
what you're saying or it's too
jarring to their ears, they're

852
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:18,840
not going to stick around.
People, statistically speaking,

853
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:22,480
are more tolerant of low quality
video than they are of audio.

854
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:27,760
So I'll ask the question again,
audio quality or content, what's

855
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:30,360
more important?
Go ahead, Dr. You can have the

856
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:37,520
most pristine audio that you can
ever imagine and your content be

857
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:41,360
super boring.
Super boring.

858
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:48,200
That's not good.
So I gotta say, I gotta say

859
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:53,880
content and you know, audio,
there's such, there's degrees of

860
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:57,520
from eh to Oh my God, this is
horrible.

861
00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:00,040
I can't listen to it anymore.
There's so many degrees in

862
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:03,760
between those that it's kind of
relative, I think, when it comes

863
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:07,320
to audio.
But content, yeah, you can have

864
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:10,760
great audio and bad content and
people are going to turn you off

865
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:14,400
right away.
OK, so that there's a vote for

866
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:17,360
audio quality, right?
Making sure I just I don't want

867
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:19,000
to screw it up audio quality
for.

868
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:21,320
Content.
No, for content.

869
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:22,800
My bad.
I knew, I said.

870
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:25,360
That's why I questioned myself.
I'm like, wait, was that right?

871
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:26,440
Yes.
OK, got it.

872
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:29,920
Content more important to Dr.
than audio quality.

873
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:31,400
If she had to pick between the
two.

874
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:34,600
How about you, Jonathan?
I think content, good content

875
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:38,920
always rises to the top.
So even if the audio isn't as

876
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:43,120
great as the best audio out
there, if it's good content,

877
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:46,080
it's going to, I believe it's
always going to find a way to

878
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:50,600
rise to the top.
Of course, if it's awful audio

879
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:52,240
quality, it's not going to help
it at all.

880
00:48:52,240 --> 00:48:53,800
It's not.
It's going to really take away

881
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:56,000
from the content.
But yeah, I think it's the

882
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:57,920
content.
And Sid, I have a funny story

883
00:48:57,920 --> 00:48:59,880
about titling podcasts for you
after the show.

884
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:02,960
Oh well, now, now you have to
share with the rest of us.

885
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:07,320
Fine.
So I was going to call my

886
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:13,280
podcast Storytelling Spotlight
two months before I like got it

887
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:16,160
out there.
I went and searched and I

888
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:17,880
originally searched Storytelling
Spotlight.

889
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:21,400
There wasn't 1, so there was 1-2
months going in.

890
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:25,120
So I changed it to a title that
I was using over across the

891
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:31,440
street and that was fine until
two weeks before when there are

892
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:36,480
now 3, two others and myself
Story Lab podcasts.

893
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:39,440
I was like, what just happened
here?

894
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:44,440
Did you grab the URL Jonathan?
I have the URL and I have the

895
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:47,120
Instagram and and all that, so I
have it.

896
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:49,440
But yeah.
Well, that's good.

897
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:50,800
I think you.
Should trade market?

898
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:52,360
Yeah, sorry, you should trade
market now.

899
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:55,680
I probably would too, because
yeah, you you probably can prove

900
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:58,840
that you had the name 1st.
And then if, if it's that

901
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:01,160
important to you, yeah, maybe
you want to look into trade

902
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:03,560
marking it.
I know that Dr. was looking into

903
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:06,840
trying to get Gordon Firemark to
join us again.

904
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:09,400
And I think the challenge is
that he's West Coast.

905
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:12,720
He is very West Coast.
Yeah, yeah.

906
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:15,200
What you might be.
Able to do this is the middle of

907
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:18,200
the night for him.
Yeah, Dr. What we might be able

908
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:21,960
to do is a couple years ago we
had Gordon join us live in the

909
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:25,360
morning and it was because he
was at Podcast Movement.

910
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:26,840
Traveling.
Oh yeah.

911
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:29,160
Yeah, yeah.
And so this year, it'll still be

912
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:32,800
a little bit early in Texas, but
Sid gets up with us at 6:00 in

913
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:35,680
the morning his time.
So maybe Gordon wouldn't mind

914
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:37,320
doing that, too.
We could always reach out and

915
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:39,360
see if he'd like to join us and
we could.

916
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:40,800
Love that.
Yeah.

917
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:42,520
We'll.
Look into that.

918
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:44,960
All right, listen, it is just
about 8:00.

919
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:48,320
I think this is a good place to
stop and a good place to remind

920
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:52,480
you that we're back at 7:00 AM
tomorrow, 7:00 AM Eastern Time

921
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:57,520
tomorrow, and we'll be doing all
things news, podcasting news,

922
00:50:57,520 --> 00:51:01,440
news you need to know, news that
we will share and comment on and

923
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:04,760
give our thoughts and opinions.
And you can too by joining us

924
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:08,800
live here on Clubhouse or on
YouTube.

925
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:10,720
We do it live on YouTube as
well.

926
00:51:10,720 --> 00:51:12,480
And normally we've been doing it
on Chatter.

927
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:15,800
But my equipment isn't set up
here.

928
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:20,080
My travel equipment isn't able
to handle doing both, at least

929
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:21,880
not yet.
I might spend some time today

930
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:25,120
trying to play with that.
So normally on Chatter as well,

931
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:28,320
but not today.
Maybe not this week either.

932
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:32,560
We shall see.
But until tomorrow, make it a

933
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:34,400
great day.
Everybody take care.