#47 What We’re Unlearning
In this episode, Roy and Catherine ask what they’re each unlearning. Catherine starts by questioning the premise itself, wondering whether saying “I’m ready to unlearn this” is ever really true, since for her unlearning usually only becomes visible after it’s already happened rather than before. She gives two concrete examples from starting her podcast: she’d developed a slow, deliberate, slightly deeper speaking style from years of running groups and coaching, which worked in that context but put podcast listeners to sleep before the episode ended, forcing her to notice and undo it. She also had to unlearn the conversational habit of building on what someone else was saying, since solo episodes meant there was no one to respond to, and she had to find a different way of carrying a show by herself. Her conclusion is that no one really knows what they need to unlearn until they’re already in the middle of unlearning it. Roy frames his unlearning around belief systems shaped by real-world events: during Ireland’s Celtic Tiger years he believed the government was the best thing going, building roads and hospitals, only to later conclude the opposite. He describes a similar process around 2020, when he had to unlearn the belief that what was being pushed on everyone was actually good for them, piecing it together by bringing on different guests, researchers and scientists and reading extensively, even while facing pushback from people who initially disagreed with him before more of them came around. Catherine adds that she didn’t personally have to unlearn that particular belief, having been raised in a natural health environment with no vaccinations or conventional medicine, so the idea that the body is designed to heal itself was never new to her. But she watched many people around her go through that exact revelation, often as a genuine shock, since they’d been raised to believe the body left alone would simply fall apart, and she makes a point of naming how painful that specific unlearning process actually was for people, rather than pretending it’s easy.
Timestamps
0:02 — Introduction and today’s question: what we’re unlearning
0:25 — Catherine: unlearning her podcast speaking style and the habit of building on a conversation partner
2:41 — Roy: unlearning belief in government and what was pushed on everyone in 2020
3:55 — Catherine: watching others unlearn that the body heals itself, and the pain of that process
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[Speaker 2] (0:02 - 0:16)
Welcome to episode 47 of Diff'rent Points. I'm joined with my co-host Catherine Llewellyn, and I'm Muáith Cóilin. And today's question is, what we're unlearning?
Catherine, what are you ready to unlearn?
[Speaker 1] (0:17 - 0:18)
Gosh, I don't know.
[Speaker 2] (0:20 - 0:22)
I'm glad you're first. No problem.
[Speaker 1] (0:25 - 2:40)
I'm ready to unlearn the habit of spending too much time on screen. Or am I unready to unlearn that is the question, because we can often say, I'm ready to unlearn that now, but are we really ready to unlearn it? You know, are we really attached to it and wedded to it?
This is such a tricky one. I think for me, it more often goes, I suddenly realise I've unlearned something after I've unlearned it. I don't usually realise that I need to unlearn it before I unlearn it.
So an example for me was when I started my podcast. I started it using a particular way of speaking that was kind of, how can I put it, which is a way of speaking I'd learned through running groups and working as a coach for many, many years. So it's slightly slower than normal conversational speech, a little bit deeper, and it really worked for that.
But for the podcast, I had to unlearn it because it was too slow. And people contacted me and say, Catherine, your content's really good, but I'm asleep before the end of it, so I'm missing it. Could you just not do that?
And I had to kind of realise what I was doing and undo it. So I had listened back to some of them, they're not terrible, but they're not quite right. So I had to unlearn that and get more into it.
And the other thing I had to unlearn was creating really interesting conversations through a conversation with somebody, you know, where I was building on what they were saying, because I was doing solo episodes, I had to unlearn being sort of listening and paying attention and responding, and just let that go and just find ways of doing it just for me. So yeah, there was quite a lot of unlearning there, but I didn't know about it before it happened. So I don't know if anyone ever really knows what they need to unlearn before they unlearn it.
Roy, what's your take on this?
[Speaker 2] (2:41 - 3:54)
I'm kind of looking about more what I've learned in life and kind of changing my belief system. So for example, we went through the Celtic Tiger in Ireland, and I was thinking the government is the best thing since sliced bread, they're building better roads, they're building hospitals, they're building everything. And then I realised, no, they're the worst thing since sliced bread.
And I had to unlearn what I had believed and kind of hear different information, and then kind of put two and two together. And the same with, like, if we look at what happened in the 2020, when we were all stuck in our houses, and they were forcing something. And just by getting different people on, I unlearned thinking that, say, the poison dart is good for you.
And just by going through it, and even though everybody was against me at the time, and then slowly but surely, more and more people started understanding. But it was like I had to unlearn thinking that when you get a job, that it's actually good for you. And by research and getting professionals on, and scientists on, people that had researched this, but just through reading lots of books, I unlearned my belief system to, for the future, be a better person.
[Speaker 1] (3:55 - 5:24)
Brilliant. I just want to add to that, because I was brought up in a natural health environment, and we didn't have any jabs or medicine or anything like that. So for me, when we came into that time period, I didn't have to do that particular piece of unlearning.
It was already there. But I witnessed it in many, many people I knew. And in them, I witnessed, people had this incredible revelation, this idea of, do you mean that my body is actually designed to heal itself?
It was a completely new idea to a lot of people. They believed that for the body to heal, you had to do something to it. You had to intervene with it, because if you left it to its own devices, it would just die horribly by the side of the road, just start bleeding and falling apart.
And I was brought up to believe that actually, if you leave it alone, it actually is designed to heal itself. Sometimes you have to help it. Completely different point of view.
So watching other people unlearning that whole thing from the outside was fascinating, because I could see the pain people went through with that piece of unlearning. And the shock and the upset and the fear that many people experienced when they went through that process of unlearning. So I just want to emphasize that unlearning can be really, really painful for us.
And just to acknowledge that, really, I think it's important to acknowledge it and not just say how easy it is. It's not really.
[Speaker 2] (5:24 - 6:03)
Excellent. And I'd like to know what our listeners are unlearning. So it's an important one.
And yeah, right. Because sometimes when people make a point, then it triggers something and you go, oh, me too, that we wouldn't have thought. So that's why we love your comments.
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