Different Points Podcast

Roy Coughlan and Catherine Llewellyn take on a big question: what does self-leadership actually look like? Catherine reflects on how most of us are trained from childhood to expect leadership to come from someone else, whether it's school, parents, or a boss, and how she initially mistook self-leadership for simple stubbornness before realizing it's really an internal question of what values you want to follow and how you want to show up, independent of anyone else's approval. Roy connects it to

Roy Coughlan and Catherine Llewellyn dig into a deceptively simple question: what are you really chasing? Roy shares how he once chased conventional success, the bigger house, the better car, the properties, until he was completely wiped out through no fault of his own and lost it all. That experience shifted what he chases today: happiness, health, and success measured not by the destination but by enjoying the present journey, choosing businesses that benefit the world, and building something

Roy Coughlan and Catherine Llewellyn explore the gap between reacting and responding, and why that difference shapes so much of how our lives unfold. Catherine breaks down reaction as a knee-jerk, thoughtless impulse versus response as a more conscious, considered choice, and shares how factors like rest, stress, and confidence all affect which one we default to. Roy shares a personal story of collecting his young son from Montessori school and initially reacting with frustration to his grumpine

Roy Coughlan and Catherine Llewellyn sit down for a conversation about the pull between curiosity and certainty, and why one tends to open life up while the other can quietly shut it down. Catherine shares how being over-certain has, at times in her life, blocked her from learning things she needed to learn, while too much curiosity has sent her chasing so many ideas at once that she loses focus, and why she believes curiosity is ultimately the more creative and life-opening of the two. Roy refl

In episode three of Different Points, Roy Coughlan and Catherine Llewellyn explore something simple but easy to overlook: the power of pausing. Catherine connects the pause to our natural human rhythms, we're not built to be "on" constantly, and explains how a pause interrupts automatic patterns (like getting lost in a screen) and reconnects us to our full humanity. Roy shares perspectives from speaking and podcasting, where pausing gives an audience or guest room to think, and from his own w

In episode two of Different Points, Roy Coughlan and Catherine Llewellyn dig into a question that gets thrown around a lot, but rarely unpacked: what does living consciously actually mean? Roy shares his take on presence as a daily practice, being fully in whatever he's doing rather than living for the weekend, noticing nature, resisting the pull of the phone, and checking in with himself when something feels off. Catherine connects this to her yin yoga practice and the difference between avo