Different Points Podcast

In this episode, Roy and Catherine sit with a deceptively simple question: what is enough? Catherine calls "enoughness" one of her favorite words, describing how easily she can get swept past the point of enough — a meal that only needed a few more spices, a conversation that didn't need to cover every feeling to the last detail, a party where staying past the moment it stopped being fun leads somewhere strange. She shares a vivid image from her clubbing days: the telltale sign you stayed too lo

In this episode, Roy and Catherine reflect on how their own definitions of success have shifted with age. Roy shares how success once meant assets, achievements, and places he'd traveled — but now means being a good son, a good father, and living in a way that never comes at someone else's expense, becoming mission-driven rather than life-driven, where a real purpose brings everything together for the benefit of others, even people he'll never meet. Catherine traces a similar evolution — from as

In this episode, Roy and Catherine ask each other a deceptively simple question: what are you learning right now? Catherine shares a lesson from day one of her humanistic psychology master's degree — that literally everything is a learning opportunity, not just formal workshops — and how she trained herself to notice learning happening constantly, including right now on this podcast, where she's practicing making a point quickly and meaningfully instead of over-explaining it. Roy shares two thin

In this episode, Roy and Catherine share the small, repeated habits that quietly compound into something meaningful over time. Roy talks about watching podcast analytics closely enough to trust his own instincts — including the time he nearly skipped releasing an episode about eating bugs because the guest looked like he'd just crawled out of bed, only to watch it flop to an 8% completion rate, confirming what he'd sensed all along. He shares his health habits — the gym, eating well, walking in

In this episode, Roy and Catherine ask a pointed question: are you too busy to notice you're too busy? Catherine compares chronic busyness to dehydration past a certain point — where you stop even wanting the thing you actually need, because busyness fills every sense to the edges and functions like a suit of armor against feeling anything, including vulnerability. She traces some of it back to the Protestant work ethic — the idea that your worth equals how hard you've worked, even when that wor

In this episode, Roy and Catherine explore an idea that sounds like a contradiction from the start — how can silence, the absence of doing anything, be something you actively practice? Roy breaks it into two angles: silence as a break from noise and distraction, and silence in conversation itself — noticing how rarely people actually listen, because most are busy rehearsing what they'll say next instead of taking in what's being said. He makes the case that staying quiet and present in a convers