#41 Finding Calm in Chaos
In this episode, Roy and Catherine ask how you actually find calm inside chaos. Catherine draws on her long practice with Five Rhythms Dance, a freestyle movement meditation whose third rhythm is literally called Chaos. In that rhythm you let go completely, letting your body move however your emotions and energy dictate, however bizarre or erratic that looks, and what she’s found, over and over, is that fully surrendering into it eventually reveals a calm, settled center right in the middle of her, as if anxiety, confusion and overwhelm simply burn off. That calm is what tips the practice into the next rhythm, called lyrical. She argues the same surrender works with chaos in daily life, not just movement, comparing it to an artist’s studio mid-creation, paint and materials everywhere, chaos on the surface, but something solid and real forming at the center of it. She also shares a simple reset technique for when she needs a break from chaos rather than surrendering into it: lying flat on her back upstairs, arms out, palms up, legs slightly apart, eyes closed, breathing deeply for five minutes while letting thoughts buzz without engaging them, after which she feels like a different person, sometimes joined by one of her cats settling in next to her. Roy connects this to watching his late father spiral into panic over something as simple as making toast and tea, in contrast to hosting an entire extended-family Christmas dinner himself without stress, staying fully in his zone while his mother asked how he was so calm. He extends the idea to business and dating, where getting overwhelmed by too much happening at once is common, and his fix is the same: step away, go for a walk to clear your head without turning it into another task, or take a weekend or full week away even when it feels impossible, because that distance from the chaos is often exactly what produces the creative solution. Catherine closes by noting that most people either avoid chaos entirely or become addicted to it, and neither extreme serves anyone well.
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#41 Finding calm in chaos
[Speaker 2]
Welcome to episode number 41 of Diff'rent Points. I'm joined with my co-host Catherine Llewellyn and I'm Roy Corman. And today's one is Finding Cam in Chaos.
Catherine, how do you find Cam?
[Speaker 1]
Well, for a long time, I used to do a practice called Five Rhythms Dance, which is a, it's like a freestyle movement meditation. Beautiful, beautiful practice, highly recommended. And the third rhythm of the five is actually called Chaos.
And you've warmed up quite a bit because it's rhythm number three, but in this one, you just completely let go and your body is just completely not in any way directed. You're just letting your emotions and your feelings and your energy to come out in movement, which could be just really bizarre movement. It could be all over the place.
It could be not very fast or high energy, but it's just, it's kind of chaotic. And what most people find, I certainly found is if I just completely release into that and just utterly let go of everything in that particular way of moving, there comes a point when right in the center of me is calm. And it's like, I've come home to myself.
It's like all of the, any anxiety or confusion or overwhelm or fear or anything, it's just burnt off. And there's just this free movement. And there's this calm center on the inside.
And actually in this practice, when that happens, you tip into the next rhythm, which is called lyrical. And then it's a very, very light experience. Now, doing that with movement like that is actually a very, very fast way to get to that experience.
If we do it in life in general, where things are chaotic, we can actually do the same thing in terms of, we just surrender to the chaos of it. So we allow the chaos to be, we let it be really, really chaotic. And then there comes a point when suddenly we're enjoying it.
Suddenly, it's fun. If you go into an artist's studio, yes, you can see that there's all the drawers for all the oil paints and everything is all well thought through. But when they're in the middle of creating something, there's stuff everywhere.
And that's the chaos. But in the center of it, there's this calm thing emerging, which is solid and real and powerful and beautiful. And it comes out of the chaos.
So for me, there's that thing of actually surrendering to the chaos. I will say as well, sometimes I need to take a break from the chaos. And one technique I have for that, that is just super, super simple, is just to go upstairs, lie down on the bed, flat on my back, with my arms out to the side, my palms open up towards the ceiling, my legs slightly apart, so my body's completely open, close my eyes, and just breathe deeply and just stay there for five minutes.
And just let the feelings and the thoughts just go buzz, buzz, buzz, buzz, buzz, buzz inside me as much as they need to. And just not open my eyes and not move, just lie there. And it's incredible the difference that makes, just five minutes, and then come to and I'm like a different person.
It's different. So I could talk about this a lot because I've had lots and lots of chaotic moments in my life, but I think that will do for the moment, will it?
[Speaker 2]
Yeah, lovely. And I'm just wondering when you're relaxing on the bed, do your, I don't know, three, four cats, how many cats you have, do they join you and just lie down as well next to you?
[Speaker 1]
Sometimes they do, you know, you're lying there and suddenly you feel this warm, soft thing nestle next to you and start purring, which is actually very helpful.
[Speaker 2]
Oh, lovely. If I think, kind of the case, I think of my father, he's passed now about three years, but I remember even here, he make, he used to make lovely scrambled eggs. But if he was like doing the toast and the tea, he'd go into panic.
It was like too much to be done. And then, like for the last Christmas day, everybody comes to me. So I had my brother, his wife and daughter, and then my son, myself, my mum.
And I did the Christmas dinner. And I'm just, you know, you would think it's chaos, lots of people, the Christmas dinner and everything. And I was just in my zone, everything organised, no stress.
And my mum was kind of looking kind of, how are you so chilled? And, and if we look at kind of in business, say, sometimes you, yeah, you can get overwhelmed. So even if it's a dating, sometimes you, there's just too much going on and you get a few curled up.
Like that's the thing, you just step up and go for the walk and just clear your head, just, just get with nature. Not that you're going for a walk thinking, just you're clearing your head. And if you feel like you're kind of going once like that, take a weekend away or take a week away.
And you might think, I can't, I've too much on, I'm gonna. But that's when you're away, the chaos creates creativity, which in turn gives you a solution that just solves everything like that. So that's what comes to mind when I think about.
[Speaker 1]
Brilliant. It's such a good one. And I think most of us avoid chaos.
Either we avoid chaos or we become addicted to chaos. Neither of which is actually a really good idea. So I think this is a really good topic for us to explore.
[Speaker 2]
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