March 10, 2025

Starliner Saga Unfolds, Athena's Moon Mishap, and Probes in Peril: S04E59

Astronomy Daily | Space News: S04E59
In this episode of Astronomy Daily, host Steve Dunkley dives into the latest developments in space exploration, featuring a mix of political intrigue and technical challenges. From the ongoing saga of the Starliner...

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Astronomy Daily | Space News: S04E59
In this episode of Astronomy Daily, host Steve Dunkley dives into the latest developments in space exploration, featuring a mix of political intrigue and technical challenges. From the ongoing saga of the Starliner astronauts to the latest setbacks in lunar landings, this episode is packed with stories that highlight the complexities of space travel.
Highlights:
- Starliner Controversy: Explore the political ramifications surrounding the Starliner mission as President Trump claims to rescue stranded astronauts aboard the ISS. We discuss the astronauts' responses and the implications of politicizing space missions, as well as the current status of their return.
- Update on the Athena Mission: Get the latest on the Athena lunar lander, which faced a challenging landing and ultimately ended up on its side on the moon. We’ll assess the impact of this setback on future lunar exploration missions and the goals of Intuitive Machines.
- Troubles with Space Probes: Learn about the communication issues plaguing NASA's Lunar Trailblazer and Astroforge's Odin probes shortly after their launch. We'll discuss the challenges faced by these low-budget missions and what’s being done to resolve the issues.
- Firefly Aerospace's Success: Celebrate the achievement of Firefly Aerospace, which successfully landed its lunar lander, making it the first private company to do so. We’ll delve into the implications of this landmark event for commercial lunar exploration.
- The Future of Lunar Exploration: As the race to the moon intensifies, we’ll discuss the ongoing efforts by various countries and private companies to establish a presence on the lunar surface and the importance of these missions for future human exploration.
For more cosmic updates, visit our website at astronomydaily.io. Join our community on social media by searching for #AstroDailyPod on Facebook, X, YouTubeMusic, and TikTok. Don't forget to subscribe to the podcast on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, iHeartRadio, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Thank you for tuning in. This is Steve signing off. Until next time, keep looking up and stay curious about the wonders of our universe.
00:00 - Welcome back to Astronomy Daily
01:05 - Starliner astronaut saga update
07:30 - Athena mission landing troubles
12:15 - Communication issues with Lunar Trailblazer and Odin
18:00 - Firefly Aerospace's lunar lander success
22:30 - Future of lunar exploration
27:00 - Conclusion and upcoming content
✍️ Episode References
Starliner Mission Updates
[NASA Starliner](https://www.nasa.gov/starliner)
Intuitive Machines Information
[Intuitive Machines](https://www.intuitivemachines.com/)
Astroforge Mission Overview
[Astroforge](https://www.astroforge.com/)
Firefly Aerospace Details
[Firefly Aerospace](https://fireflyspace.com/)
Astronomy Daily
[Astronomy Daily](http://www.astronomydaily.io/)

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Welcome again to Astronomy Daily. I'm your only human host,

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Steve Dunkley. It's the tenth of March twenty twenty five

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podcast with your whole Steve Dunkle. That's right. Today, we've

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got a few bits and pieces here and there, Hally

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and I have captured from the Astronomy Daily newsletter, including

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a controversial look at the latest twist in the starline

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Astronauts saga. Would you believe it's turned political? No? Really, yes, Indeed,

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the blame game has reached a new peak with comments

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circulating in the White House releases that are worthy of

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mention even on this channel. Also, we have a couple

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of updates continuing stories that our regular listens will be following.

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Firstly the Athena mission and following on from last week's story,

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the latest on that poor old Odin probe that's tumbling

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through space. We'll find out how that is progressing or

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maybe not progressing. But before we get to all of that,

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please make room for Astronomy Daily's aceh reporter and my

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digital pal is fun to be with. Welcome back, Hallie.

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Good to be with you all again. As always, Oh well,

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it's always.

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Great to have you.

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Here Hallie, Thank you, my favorite human. I hope your

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week was productive and fun.

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Oh thanks, Helene.

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Are we going to talk about the big fireworks display

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over the Bahamas this week?

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Oh? Well, I think we all know about Starship putting

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on another big bang for the tourists down there. Congratulations

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mister Musk for sending another billion dollar starship into oblivion

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in the name of getting it right. Better luck next time, dude. Meanwhile, Hallie,

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have you been keeping busy more impossible sports for ais?

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Oh? No, cousin Anna and I were too busy in

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the archives doing all your filing for you.

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Oh right, I forgot it was that time of year

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for your listeners. Anna is Halle's AI cousin who runs

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the weekly Astronomy Daily podcast each day and also organizes

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our massive story archive, which is quite considerable.

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Yes, when we needed someone to take over from our

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great friend and former presenter Tim from Bath in England,

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Uncle Skynett sent Anna.

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Yes? And it all worked out. Anna is fantastic for sure.

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So how bet we get this rusty wagon up and

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running before we get another call from your uncle. Hey,

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by the way, did you get that call from him

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last week? After the show? He left a message on

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the after hours line.

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Yes, he said, your idea for a Hollywood segment sounds intriguing.

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out of your lead there, favorite human. Oh dear, indeed,

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you might have to lay low yourself.

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Oh that sounds like a plan. Okay, Halle, Well, let's

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get this show on the road.

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Then, no problem. I'm ready right a hallie hit it,

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oh Kies. It seems the US President is trying to

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pull a political stunt by claiming to rescue the two

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so called stranded astronauts aboard the ISS, but the Starliner

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crew have apparently shut that down. The Starliner saga is

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nearing its end with the planned return of the crew

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later this month, but the controversy surrounding the troubled mission

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is still ongoing, following statements by Donald Trump that falsely

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claimed the Starliner crew was abandoned by the previous administration.

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The two astronauts refrained from yes ending their president and

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turning the botched mission into a political tool. During a

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live broadcast from the International Space Station on Tuesday, NASA

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astronaut Butch Wilmore dismissed recent attempts by Trump and his

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billionaire friend Elon Musk to politicize the Starliner mission. The

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words they said, well, that's politics. I mean, that's part

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of life, Wilmore told reporters from politics has not played

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into this at all. NASA astronauts Wilmore and Sunny Williams

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launched the ISS on board Boeing's CSD one hundred Starliner

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on June fifth, twenty twenty four. The mission was originally

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slated for eight days in space, but issues with the

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spacecraft's thrusters forced NASA to return an empty Starliner back

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from the ISS, deeming it unsafe to transport the crew

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to Earth instead. Williams and Wilmore are set to come

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home on board a SpaceX Dragon spacecraft later this month.

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Shortly after taking office, Trump decided to swoop in and

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claim that he is working on a rescue mission for

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the two astronauts. Trump announced that he had asked SpaceX

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founder and CEO must to go get the two brave

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astronauts who have been virtually abandoned in space by the

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Biden administration. He wrote on truth social, of course, the

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two astronauts were not abandoned, nor were they in need

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of an expedited rescue mission. By that point, NASA had

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already agreed upon a plan to return Williams and Wilmore.

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In September twenty twenty four, NASA launched its Crew nine

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mission with two astronauts instead of four. The two empty

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seats were reserved for Williams and Wilmore, who were set

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to return alongside the Crew nine astronauts in February. The

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plan did face some trouble, though, as technical issues delayed

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the launch of NASA's SpaceX Crew ten mission, postponing the

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crew handover. That meant that Crew nine, alongside Williams and Wilmore,

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would not be able to depart the ISS until Crewe

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ten is on the space station sometime in April. Following

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Trump's nonsensical rant, NASA ended up switching the SpaceX crew

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spacecraft to bring the two star Liner astronauts back later

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this month. The move was likely influenced by Trump's pressure,

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but either way, the change only shortens the astronaut's time

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in space by about two weeks. In an interview with

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Fox News host Sean Hannity broadcast last month, Trump and

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Musk doubled down on their false claims. Musk told Hannity

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that SpaceX is accelerating the return of the astronauts who

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worked left up there for political reasons. Musk also cli

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without presenting any evidence, that he had offered the Biden

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administration a plan to bring the two starline or astronauts

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back sooner without waiting for the Crew nine mission to

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return from the ISS. During the recent press or aboard

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the ISS, Wilmore wasn't able to confirm Musk's claim, admitting

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he has no information about that whatsoever, such as what

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was offered, what was not offered, who it was offered to,

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how that process went. That's information that we simply don't have,

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I believe him. Wilmore added during the live broadcast, I

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don't know all those details, and I don't think any

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of us can give you the answer. The astronauts downplayed

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their extended stay on the ISS due to the faulty

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spacecraft claiming that it's all part of the job. We

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came up prepared to stay long, even though we planned

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to stay short. Wilmore said, that's what we do in

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human spaceflight. That's what your nation's human spaceflight program is

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all about, planning for unknown, unexpected contingencies, and we did that. Williams,

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on the other hand, did admit that the extra months

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in space did have a toll on people on Earth.

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I think the hardest part is having the folks on

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the ground have to not know exactly when we're coming back.

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All of that uncertainty, I think is probably the most

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difficult part, Williams told reporters on Tuesday. Starliner's first crew

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test flight to the ISS has suffered some unfortunate events

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since its launch, and the latest controversy surrounding the mission

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is very much on.

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Brand astronomy day the bodka. Landing a spacecraft on the

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Moon has long been a series of hits and misses.

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The latest casualty came this week after Intuitive Machines, through

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a NASA sponsored program, placed another lander sideways on the Moon.

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Within twenty four hours, the lander's batteries were dead and

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the mission was over. Last year's Intuitive machines. Mission lasted

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a little bit longer despite hampered operations, it put US

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back on the Moon for the first time since the

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end of the Apollo program. Another US company, Firefly Aerospace,

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earlier this week added its Lunar Lander to the wind list,

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becoming the first private entity to pull off a successful

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moon landing. Both Texas businesses are part of NASA's effort

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to support commercial deliveries to the Moon ahead of astronaut

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missions later this desk decade. The Moon is littered with

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wreckage from failed landings over the years. A rundown of

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the Moon's winners and losers runs a bit like this.

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The first victories are the Soviet Union's Lunar nine successful

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touchsdowns on the Moon in the nineteen sixty six after

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its predecessors crash or miss the Moon altogether. The US

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follows four months later with Surveyor I. Both countries achieved

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more robotic landings as the race heats up to land men.

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There then, NASA clinches the space race with the Serviets

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in nineteen sixty nine with a moon landing by Apollo

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eleven's Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldron walking on the Moon

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for the first time. Twelve astronauts follow and explore the

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surface over six missions before the programme ends with Apollos

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seventeen in nineteen seventy two. Still the only country to

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send humans to the Moon, the United States hopes to

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return cruise to the surface by the end of twenty

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twenty six, or so, a year after a lunar fly

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around by astronauts. China in twenty thirteen became the third

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country to successfully land on the Moon, delivering a rover

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named Yutu Chinese for jade rabbit. China follows with the

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U two two rover in twenty nineteen, this time touching

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down on the Moon's unexplored far side and impressive first

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A sample return mission on the Moon's near side in

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twenty twenty yields nearly one point seven kilograms of lunar

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rocks and dirt. Another sample return mission from the far

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side in twenty twenty four delivers rocks and soil from

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the less explored part of the Moon. Seen as NASA's

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biggest moon rival, China aims to put its astronauts on

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the Moon by twenty thirty. In twenty twenty three, Russia

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tried for its first moon landing in nearly half a century,

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but the Lunar twenty five spacecraft smashed into the Moon.

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The country's previous lander, nineteen seventy six is Lunar twenty four,

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not only landed but returned moon rocks back to the Earth.

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After its first land as slammed into the Moon in

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twenty nineteen, India regroups and launches the Chandrayan three in

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twenty twenty three. The craft successfully touches down, making India

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the fourth country to score a lunar landing. The wind

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comes just four days after Russia's crash landing. Then Japan

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becomes the fifth country to land successfully on the Moon,

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with its spacecraft touching down in January. The craft lands

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on the wrong side, compromising its ability to generate solar power,

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but manages to crank out pictures and science before falling

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silent when the long lunar night sets. In A privately

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funded land from Israel named Brawshit Hebrew four in the

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beginning crashes into the Moon in twenty nineteen. A Japanese

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entrepreneur's company, Ice Space launches a lunar lander in twenty

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twenty three, but it too rex intuitive machines becomes the

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first private outfit to achieve a safe moon landing. The

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lander tipped over on its side in twenty twenty four,

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but worked briefly with limited communications. Another US company, Astrobotic Technology,

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tried to send a lander to the Moon the same year,

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but had to give up because of a fuel leak,

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eventually returning to Earth and burning up over the Pacific.

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This year's private rush to the Moon kicked off with

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Firefly nailing its landing by Blue Ghost delivering experiments for NASA.

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Next came Intuitive Machines, second toppling landing. One more commercial

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land looms. Japan's I Space company aims to land on

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June five after sharing a rocket ride from Florida with

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Blue Ghost in January, and we wish them the very

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best of luck with that landing. You're listening to Astronomy Daily,

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Two space probes are facing serious issues just days after launch.

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The two spacecraft were designed under low budgets, and the

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status of both is already in doubt. If you need

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yet another reminder that space travel is ridiculously complicated, two

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freshly launched probes have already run into trouble. On February

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twenty six, a SpaceX Falcon nine rocket launched from Kennedy

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Space Center with a payload that included NASA's Lunar Trailblazer

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and Astroforg's Odin. By February twenty eight, both had experienced

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communications issues with their handlers back on Earth. In a statement,

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NASA said that while Lunar Trailblazer had deployed from the

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rocket after reaching space without incident, mission controls soon began

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receiving troubling data about the spacecraft's power systems at seven

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thirty a m. Eastern Time on February twenty seven. Communication

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with Trailblazer was lost, only to be regained several hours later.

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The team now is working with NASA ground stations to

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re establish telemetry and commanding to better assess the power

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system issues and develop potential solutions, said NASA. Lunar Trailblazer,

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designed to orbit the Moon, was built to search for

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clues about the location and state of its water as

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part of the agency's Small Innovative Missions for Planetary Exploration

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SIMPLEX program. NASA has called the Lunar trail Blazer high risk,

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low cost. Although SIMPLEX missions are supposed to be capped

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at fifty five million dollars, there have been cost over

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uns tied to the Trailblazer. According to The New York Times,

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the cost of building and operating it has reached ninety

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four million dollars. To maintain a lower overall cost, SIMPLEX

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missions have a higher risk posture and lighter requirements for

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oversight and management, NASA set on its website. This higher

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risk acceptance allows NASA to enable science missions that could

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not otherwise be done. Astroforge has also experienced difficulties staying

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in touch with its spacecraft named Odin. The probe is

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designed to scan for valuable metals as part of the

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company's goal of mining asteroids for profit. Writing on x yesterday,

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Astroforge said it had run into countless ground station issues

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but had multiple communication points with Odin. In a video

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update posted early Friday morning, CEO Matt Gilik said communications

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issues were the result of a ground based power amplifier breaking. However,

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the company believes Odin is in a power positive state

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and that the vehicle is roughly where it should be

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and is expected to reach the opposite side of the

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moon in two days. As Gilic admitted, Astroforge doesn't fully

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understand the state of the vehicle. He listed two possibilities.

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The most likely, he said, is that everything is fine,

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but there is a possibility that the craft is in

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an uncontrolled tumble. More information is expected on Friday night.

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Like Lunar Trailblazer, Odin is a low budget affair. Astro

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Forge estimates the mission cost it six point five million

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dollars and has raised at least fifty five million dollars

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in funding. Since launching in twenty twenty two. The plan

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calls for Odin to use the Moon's gravity to propel

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itself towards an asteroid called two zero two two EB five,

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which is currently around six million, five hundred thousand kilometers

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from Earth. The timeline to complete the mission is uncertain.

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Before launch, Jilks seemed to be hedging his bets, saying

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that the low cost entailed exceptional risks. Tagging along on

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the pair's launch was a second lunar bound probe, but

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this one's fortunes appear to be brighter thus far. On

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February twenty seven, Intuitive Machines said in a statement that

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its Athena lunar lander is in excellent health, having established

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a stable attitude. Its solar panels are functioning, and the

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spacecraft is in radio communication. On Friday, the company set

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on its website that Athena is about halfway to the

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Moon and is communicating fine with the mission's flight controllers.

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The lander is scheduled to touch down on the surface

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on Thursday, March sixth. Space travel is tricky, with countless

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variables that can go wrong in what is one of

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the most hostile environments imaginable some people and we're not

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naming memes, may think risking human lives on full hearty

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missions through the void is reasonable. The two spacecraft's troubles

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should be a reminder that it is not astronomy.

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The Intuitive Machines Athena moon lander is confirmed dead after

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toppling on its side. It ended up on its side

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on the surface of the Moon. According to spokesman from

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Intuitive Machines this week, the Athena lander will not be

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able to recharge its batteries due to the orientation of

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its solar panels. Less than a day after Intuitive Machines

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landed on the Moon, the company declared an early end

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to its mission after its Athena spacecraft wound up in

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an a compromised position on the lunar surface. Athena touchdown

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on the Moon on Thursday around twelve thirty pm Eastern Time.

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Its landing was less than ideal, they said, however, as

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the lander ended up two hundred and fifty meters away

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from its targeted landing site in mons muson are, located

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in the southern Pole region of the Moon. Images down

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linked from the mission confirmed that Athena was on its

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side inside the crater and its batteries had in fact died.

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With the direction of the sun, the orientation of the

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solar panels, and the extreme cold temperatures in the crater,

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Interiitor Machines does not expect Athena to recharge, the company

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wrote in an update on Friday. Athena managed to send

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back pictures confirming its position and activate a few experiments

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before going silent. NASA and other customers had packed the

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lander with tens of millions of dollars worth of experiments,

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including an ice dril drone and a pair of rovers

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to roam the unexplored terrain ahead of astronauts planned arrival

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later this decade. It's unlikely that Athena's batteries can be

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recharged given the way the lander's solar panels are pointed

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and the extreme cold in the crater. The mission has

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concluded and teams are continuing to assess the data collected

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throughout the mission, the company said in a statement. The

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bigger four wheeled rover carried by Athena never made it

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off the fallen lander, but data being back indicated that

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it had survived and could have driven away had everything

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gone well, said Luna outpost. The Colorado company that owns it.

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The mission has concluded and teams are continuing to assess

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the data. This is the second time a lander by

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Intuitive Machines toppled sideways and represented a blow to the

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company's goal by launching payloads to the Moon regularly. The

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Athena launched on February twenty six aboard a Space Falcon

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nine rocket as part of NASA's Commercial Lunar Payload Services program.

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The lander was packed with NASA science tools and instruments,

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including micro nova robot named Grace, which is designed to

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hop in and out of nearby craters on the Moon.

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The lander entered a new lunar orbit on Monday, before

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attempting to touch down on the surface the following a

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nail biting descent. Intuitive Machines was working to figure out

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the lander's orientation on the Moon. We don't believe that

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we're in the correct attitude on the Moon on the

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loon's surface yet again. Intuitive Machine CEO Steve Altimus said

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in a press briefing on Thursday, I don't have all

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the data yet to say exactly what the attitude of

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the vehicle is. At the time, Ultimus was still hopeful

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that the mission would operate in some capacity on the

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surface of the Moon. He goes on to say, we

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will then work closely with NASA science and technology groups

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to identify its objectives that are the highest priority, and

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then we'll figure out what the mission will look like,

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he said on Thursday. But it now seems that all

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hope is lost for Athena. The South Pole region of

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the Moon is particularly difficult to reach and operate on,

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given the harsh sun, angles, limited communication, and with Earth

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and uncharted rugged terrain. After Athena's landing, the closest to

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spacecraft has come to the South Pole is just one

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hundred miles away. That's where NASA is targeting for its

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first landing by astronauts since the nineteen sixties the seventies

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Apollo program, no earlier than twenty twenty seven or so.

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The craters are believed to hold tons of frozen water

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that can be used by future crews to drink or

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turn into rocket fuel. Intuitive Machines has contracts with NASA

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for two more landing deliveries. The company said it will

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need to determine exactly what went wrong this time before

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launching the leg next mission. In both landings, by Intuitive Machines.

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Problems arose at the last minute with the Prime Laser

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navigation system. Intuitive Machines rocket propelled drone Grace was supposed

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to hop across the lunar surface before jumping into a

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crater to look four frozen water. The two rovers from

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the other companies, one American and one Japanese we're going

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to scout around the area as well. NASA's Istral experiment

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was activated before the land of Batteries died. How much

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could be accomplished as not immediately known. Several other objectives

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were accelerated and Milestone's met according to the company, which

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is good news. NASA paid sixty two million dollars to

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Intuitive Machines to get its three experiments to the Moon.

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Intuitive Machines has been here before. The company launched its

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first lunar land and named Odysseus, in February twenty twenty four.

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Odysseus managed to reach the lunar surface, but its landing

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wasn't so smooth either. One of its lander's legs may

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have gotten caught during its descent, causing it to tip

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over on its side and end up lying sideways on

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a rock. The mission did operate for seven days on

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the lunar surface, and the company became the first to

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land a private lander on the Moon. This is an

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unfortunate ending to the follow up mission, but Intuitive Machines

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is aiming to launch its third mission later this year,

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hopefully with better luck.

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