#23 The Price Is Perception: Stop Undercharging and Start Earning
In this episode we dismantle the myth that price is a fixed number and show how to shift from cost-based pricing to value-based pricing. Using vivid examples—from parachutes to plumbers and SaaS tiers—we explain how to quantify client impact, use offer architecture and branding to boost perceived value, and avoid common traps like underpricing or blindly copying competitors.
You'll learn practical frameworks for testing prices, targeting the right customers, and treating pricing as an iterative experiment so you can confidently raise rates and capture the true value you deliver.
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00:00 - Intro: Welcome & the Pricing Problem
00:54 - Mission: Shortcut to Confident Pricing
01:22 - Rethinking Price: What Does a Number Mean?
01:49 - Shift From Cost to External Impact
01:58 - Parachute Example: Pricing by Outcome
02:30 - Value as a Function of the Client’s Problem (Plumber)
03:00 - Anchoring to Outcomes vs Internal Costs
03:17 - How to Quantify Outcome: Make, Save, Time, Risk
03:40 - Pricing Frameworks: Cost-Plus, Competitor, Value-Based
03:58 - When Cost-Plus Works (Commodities & Paperclips)
04:34 - The Pitfalls of Competitor-Based Pricing
05:55 - The Underpricing Trap for New Businesses
06:19 - Price Signals, Brand Perception & Buyer Types
08:12 - Packaging & Perception: Increasing Perceived Value
08:46 - SaaS Tiers & Decoy Pricing (Anchoring)
09:45 - Validating Premium with Branding & Touchpoints
10:31 - Audience Targeting: Right Room vs Right Price
11:27 - Pricing is Iterative: Testing and Cohorts
12:30 - Market Resistance & the 80% Rule
13:10 - Recap & Final Takeaways
14:10 - Parting Thought: Objections as Branding Diagnostics
0:00 Welcome to the Deep Dive. You know, whether you are a seasoned entrepreneur or maybe you're just starting out a side hustle, there is one thing that is universally stressful. Oh, absolutely. It's pricing. I mean, you see a price tag of $50 or like $5,000, and your brain just automatically assumes that number is some kind of objective reality. Right. It feels like gravity. Yeah. You look at the tag and think, well, that is simply the mathematical law of this object's existence. Which is completely wild when you actually think about it. Right. Because the moment you step behind the curtain of any business, whether it's a massive enterprise or a specialized consulting firm, that illusion of the scientific price tag just completely shatters.
0:42 It does. It really does. You realize that number was just, well, conjured out of thin air. It's incredibly murky. And deciding what to charge is probably one of the most paralyzing parts of doing business. Definitely. It keeps people up at night. So today, our mission is to shortcut your path to confident pricing. We are extracting the absolute most crucial nuggets on how to set the right price, grow your income, and build a sustainable business. Which is so important because most people are just guessing. Exactly. So, okay, let's unpack this. Help us stop underpricing and start earning what we truly deserve. Where do we even start? Well, before you just pick a number out of thin air, you have to fundamentally rethink what that number actually represents.
1:26 Plenty what? Exactly. I mean, looking at internal costs is kind of the default human setting for pricing. You calculate your materials, you tally up the hours you spent. You add a little margin to keep the lights on. Exactly. And then you just stamp that number on the invoice. Yeah. But focusing on the internal effort completely ignores the reality of the transaction. Okay. So what should we be focusing on instead? The fundamental shift here is moving away from what it cost you to produce and focusing entirely on the external impact. Pricing is intrinsically about value. It's like selling a parachute. Oh, that's a good way to look at it. Right. Like if you price a parachute based on the cost of the nylon and the string, it's cheap. It's basically just fabric. Yeah, a few bucks.
2:09 But if you price it based on the value of surviving a fall from an airplane, the value is astronomical. That captures the mechanism perfectly. Value isn't an inherent property of the service itself. It's a metric of the client's problem. So the labor didn't change, just the context. Exactly. Take a plumber. Right. If you hire a plumber to fix a leaky pipe in your guest bathroom, that turn of the wrench might be a $200 value to you. It's just an inconvenience. Right. But if a factory manager hires that exact same plumber to fix the exact same size pipe and that leak has halted a million-dollar-a-day assembly line... Oh, wow. Yeah. ...that identical turn of the wrench is suddenly worth tens of thousands of dollars.
2:52 The factory manager isn't paying for the wrench or the plumber's hourly rate. They are paying to restart a million-dollar assembly line. So when you just anchor your price to your internal cost, you're putting a ceiling on yourself. An artificial ceiling, yes, based entirely on your own constraints. When you anchor to the outcome, the ceiling is dictated by the scale of the client's problem. Okay. So the obvious next question is how you actually quantify that outcome. Because it's easy to say price the value, but when you're sitting at your desk trying to write a proposal, you need some kind of formula. You do. And if we connect this to the bigger picture, it essentially falls into a few quantifiable buckets. You're either making the client money, saving the money, saving them time, or reducing their risk.
3:36 Right. So let's break down those established frameworks. I mean, we all know the standard ones, right? Cost-plus, competitor matching, and value-based pricing. Right. So is there ever a real-world scenario where cost-based pricing is actually the best choice? Or is value-based pricing always the ultimate holy grail? Well, no. Cost-plus pricing definitely has its place. Like if you are dealing with highly commoditized, high-volume physical goods. Like what? Like manufacturing? Yeah, exactly. If you're manufacturing standard industrial paperclips, cost-plus is your entire universe. Because nobody is having a life-altering transformation from a paperclip. Right. They just need to bind paper. The product is uniform, so competition drives the price down to the marginal cost of production.
4:21 In that world, knowing your exact margins to the penny is just a survival requirement. But the danger is applying that paperclip logic to specialized services or creative work. Absolutely. That's where it falls apart. So let's look at the middle ground, then. Competitor-based pricing. Because I feel like this is the default for most mid-market businesses. Oh, without a doubt. You just look around, see what the other three agencies in town are charging, and you price yourself right in the middle. It feels, I don't know, safe. It feels safe, but what's fascinating here is that copying the market assumes the market is rational. And it usually isn't. Quite, really. Yeah. It assumes a level of asymmetric information that simply doesn't exist. When you look at a competitor's pricing page, you are only seeing the public-facing number.
5:06 You don't see their churn rate. You don't see their profit margins or their customer acquisition cost. You might be copying the pricing structure of a business that is currently bleeding cash. So you're basically matching the speed of a sinking ship. Exactly. If you just copy the market average, you are voluntarily opting into the blind leading the blind. That is terrifying. And beyond that, when you match a competitor's price, you are implicitly telling the market that your offering is completely indistinguishable from theirs. Right. You strip away any differentiator other than the dollar amount. And when price is the only variable, the client will inevitably choose the cheapest option. It triggers a race to the bottom. Which is a game you do not want to win.
5:47 No, because the prize for winning the race to the bottom is going out of business. That makes total sense. But let me push back on this scenario a little bit. Sure. Go ahead. Specifically for a listener who is launching something brand new. But wait, if you are a brand new business with zero reputation, no case studies, don't you have to underprice just a little bit at first just to get a foot in the door? I mean, the logic is incredibly tempting. Right. You need the reps. You do. But the mechanics of price anchoring prove it to be a massive strategic error. Why is that? Because when you drastically underprice to acquire those first clients, you aren't just lowering your immediate revenue. You are fundamentally establishing your brand's anchor point at the bottom of the market.
6:32 Oh, I see. Price is not just a financial metric. You know, it's a profound signaling mechanism for quality. Yeah, that's so true. I mean, think about a regular bottle of water at a grocery store. It's the dollar. But that exact same bottle in a luxury hotel minibar is eight dollars. Exactly. The product didn't change at all. The branding, the positioning and the target audience changed the perceived value completely. Yes. And going back to the discount thing, if I see a sushi restaurant offering a two dollar all you can eat special, my immediate reaction isn't excitement. No, it's panic. It's suspicion about the quality of the fish. The low price signals high risk. And I imagine that attracts a very specific type of buyer.
7:14 Oh, it does. When you anchor at the bottom, you attract the bargain hunting client. Psychologically, these are historically the most demanding, highest friction clients a business can take on. That is so counterintuitive. You would think someone paying less would expect less. Why do they demand so much? It comes down to capital allocation and risk tolerance. For a bargain hunting client, that small amount of money often represents a highly significant percentage of their available capital. Oh, so their anxiety is just massive. Exactly. They need to extract every possible ounce of utility from you to justify the spend, whereas a premium buyer is usually deploying capital to buy back their own time.
7:54 They just want the problem handled. They're paying for the outcome, not the micromanagement. Precisely. And the worst part, when you inevitably try to raise your prices on those early discount clients, they will churn immediately. They were never buying your unique value. They were only buying your proximity to zero. Man, that's brutal. OK, so if underpricing is a trap, how do we actually establish that unique value? How do you convince a buyer to pay a premium when someone else is visibly cheaper? This is where we get into the power of perception and packaging. Pricing doesn't exist in a vacuum. It exists entirely within the context of how it's presented. So like behavioral economics? Yes.
8:35 You can take the exact same core deliverable, and by altering the architecture of the offer, you completely change the perceived value. Give me an example of that in the wild. OK, let's look at software companies. Their pricing tiers are a masterclass in psychological anchoring. When you go to a typical SaaS pricing page, you almost always see three columns, right? Yeah, the classic good, better, best setup. Right. So on the far right, they prominently display an enterprise tier for, let's say, $2,000 a month. In the middle, a pro tier for $200. And on the left, a basic tier for $50. And nobody ever buys the enterprise one. Exactly. Most businesses have absolutely no intention of selling that enterprise tier to the average visitor.
9:15 It's a decoy. A decoy. Yeah, it serves a very specific cognitive function anchoring. When the first number your brain processes is $2,000, the $200 tier suddenly feels incredibly reasonable by comparison. Wow. So if that page only had the $50 and $200 options, the $200 one would feel super expensive. Exactly. The introduction of the massive premium tier completely reframes the middle option. It goes from being an expensive choice to a safe, middle ground compromise. That is brilliant. It actually shifts the internal monologue. Instead of asking, should I buy this? You're asking, which of these three is the right fit for me? Bit bypasses the binary yes or no decision entirely.
9:57 And beyond the tiers, there's the branding itself. If you're attempting to charge premium rates, every single touchpoint of your business must validate that number. Like the website? The onboarding? Everything. If your proposal has typos or your website takes 10 seconds to load, the perceived value just collapses. The buyer experiences cognitive dissonance. It's the friction that kills the premium. If I'm paying top dollar, I'm essentially paying for the promise that I won't have to worry about the details. Exactly. But there's one more critical variable here. Your audience. Targeting. Yes. You might have perfectly calculated your value, built brilliant pricing tiers, and polished your branding. But if you pitch a $10,000 efficiency solution to a startup that only has $2,000 in the bank.
10:44 It doesn't matter how good the pitch is. They literally can't buy it. Right. And that rejection is not a signal that your price is inherently wrong. It's a signal that your market alignment is wrong. You don't need to slash your price. You just need to walk into a different room. Okay. That is a huge relief. Yeah. A higher rejection rate isn't necessarily a failure of the product, just a targeting failure. Exactly. But let's say you've done all this. You map the value. You ignored the competitors. You built your three tiers. You're in the right room. You still have to hit send on that quote. That's the scariest part for most people. The pressure to get that final number perfectly right on the first try is just paralyzing. How do we relieve that pressure?
11:25 Well, this raises an important question. How often should a business audit its pricing? Because that pressure stems from a fundamental misunderstanding. Pricing is a living, breathing, iterative mechanism. So what does this all mean? It means your price isn't carved in stone. It's an ongoing experiment. Perfectly said. The goal is never to find a static number and etch it into stone for the rest of your career. You have to treat it as a continuous feedback loop. Okay. But what are the actual mechanics of testing that? You don't just randomly change the numbers on your website every Tuesday, right? That would cause chaos. No, no. You test through controlled cohorts. Let's say you're a service provider. You implement a grandfather clause.
12:06 You keep your existing clients at their current rate. But for the next three proposals you send to new prospects, you raise the price by 20%. Then you just see what happens. You measure the friction. Precisely. You are testing the resistance of the market. If you send out those three proposals and all three signed immediately without a single negotiation... Then you are definitely still underpriced. Exactly. You haven't found the ceiling yet. In many industries, the benchmark is the 80% rule. If your close rate is near 100%, your prices are objectively too low. You actually want people to say no. You want a healthy amount of friction. A percentage of people saying no validates that you are capturing the maximum available value from the ones who say yes.
12:49 And if you raise it 20% and suddenly 10 prospects in a row tell you it's too expensive, then you've found the ceiling. Yes. And it removes the emotional weight from the decision. Every quote is just a hypothesis. You're asking the market, does this price reflect the value? And the market answer is yes or no. And then you adjust. Man, this has been such an eye-opening conversation. There is a lot to rethink here. Absolutely. We started by breaking that illusion that price is a fixed law of physics. We completely dismantled that habit of looking inward at cost and shifted the focus to the external impact, the value. The saved time, the increased revenue. Exactly. We also learned why competitor matching is a trap, how underpricing attracts high-friction buyers, and how to use branding and decoy tiers to raise your perceived value.
13:37 It all comes together. And finally, we removed that paralysis of perfection. Pricing is a test. You adjust, you push the ceiling, and you grow. You now have the toolkit to confidently price your services and significantly increase your earning potential. And if I could just leave everyone with one final thought to mull over. Please do. Consider this. What if the next time a customer objects to your price, it's not actually a signal that your price is too high. What if it's rather a signal that your branding simply hasn't fully communicated the value? Oh, wow. That changes everything. Think about that next time you're tempted to offer a discount. Look at the friction, not as a demand for a lower price, but as a diagnostic tool for your own marketing. What a brilliant way to reframe it.
14:18 You are the one holding the pen. Make sure the math reflects the actual magnitude of the problems you solve. Keep testing. Keep adjusting. And keep diving deep.