S02E15: One Fine Morning: A Review of a Bittersweet Drama plus The Flash & More

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First on Film and Entertainment. I
am joined by Gregory King and Peter Krause.

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My name is Alex First and greg
has just come back from a few

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days in Sydney. You do that
each year, don't you, mate?

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I do. Yeah, this time
I had a reason for going up there

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under the football but to see some
films at the Sydney Films they saw and

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to catch up the Sceney turning at
the musical, which was fantastic. Ah,

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well, we will talk about that
definitely during the course of the program.

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In turn, what well Vivid was
there as well while you were up

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there. That's something I really enjoy
seeing. I haven't seen it. I

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think I saw it. Saw it
once when I was up there at the

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right time, and I got to
say that I miss White Knight in Melbourne.

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Did you ever participate, you know, one of the half million people

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or at least two hundred and fifty
thousand that descended on the city because we

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don't have that. Instead, we've
got the Rising Festival. At the moment,

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I did the night once and I
had it the crowds. Yeah,

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I must admit that I lost my
wife and it's kind of a scary proposition.

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Because it was a human crush.
Nevertheless, I would love to say

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I like things being lit up.
I don't know what it is, but

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these days with drones and all sorts
of other things. Because I saw the

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finale on television, the Sidney Finale, I really like that. I just

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think with all sorts, with AI
and its development, with drones, with

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technology, it's going to caterpult the
artistic endeavor of human beings even further,

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as long as it's used for good
not bad. Greek enough, are you

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going to keep drowning on about this? I am. I am clapping on

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about it. Peter Kraus, you
like dark places? I mean are you?

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Are you into illuminated signage and illuminations
generally or not? I'm not a

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great Neon fan, but why not? Maybe we should get you on a

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bike in in lycra sort of illuminated
lycro wouldn't that being ugly? No?

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No, no, I sorry,
I miss spoke, then, Piter,

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I miss stoke the horror exactly.
Now stop bringing Jewish dancer to this now,

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thank you great. In terms of
you mentioned Sydney Film Festival. What

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he went to opening night? Did
you? I saw the opening night film

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yes, and just briefly worthwhile or
not? And what was it? Um

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The New Boys the new film from
Thoughton, I guess best's best film.

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But basically it's set during World War
two where these kids have been looked after

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some sort of religious nut nunner he
under the usually your pair of Cape Blanchett

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and then this while a visual boy
is brought there and short of his story,

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how they fix in or doesn't with
the other kids there, and and

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it beas in all sorts of religious
scenes, things about indigenous issues in that

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CI think that it's not his best
film. Is it easily relatable or is

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it sort of more of an esoteric
work, especially the way that's shot um

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doney in sort of wall brown issues
which makes the best landscape? Um?

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Yeah, Anyway, it's got a
good reception. Oh yeah. Well,

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which I would have anticipated is the
Sydney Festival is not as large in terms

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of numbers of films as the Melbourne
isn't or it doesn't have a lot of

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films there. It just doesn't go
as long. Melbourne's rights for about seventeen

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days. The City one goes for
about ten days plus a couple days of

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repeat or what they call encore screening
of films that proved been popular. But

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he's more spread out than um Lorburn
two, whereas most of Melbourne's screeny place

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maye in the CBD all the way
from to like Paramounta Newtown, all those

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kinds of things. Oh that's good. That's great because I mean you don't

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have to sort of trudge into the
city to to see parts of the festival.

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I like that good idea. Who
wants you travel at the light Heart

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or Paramtter at nighttime? Coming home
eleven uplove at night? That's true.

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But are you saying that the films
are only shown there? I mean,

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so there's a light to see as
well. No, No, what I'm

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saying is that if you if if
there's as the way we tended to sit

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my choices to show and then.
But what I was asking is if you

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see a film that you like that
happens to be in light art, but

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you don't travel the like art,
is it also in the city or is

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it? Yeah? Morvel screenage of
them? Yeah, up here for four

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days. I crabb in three films
over the four days, and a couple

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of other things as well. Fair
and reasonable. Now let's start with a

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film that is well. I thought
could have been better, but nevertheless I

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thought I thought it was good.
I still thought it was worth while.

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And I'm talking about One Fine Morning, which is one hundred and thirteen minutes.

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It's m a rated, it's it's
the slice of life place and it

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combines the sensitive touch of the right
director Mia Hanson lav who was responsible for

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Bergmann Island, with a leading actor. Leah said, I thought she's such

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a fine actor. Love it.
She plays Sandra Kinzler, who's a single

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mum whose husband died five years ago
and she's a translator. She and a

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family dealing with the deteriorating health of
her father. His name is George,

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played by Pascal Gregory. He is
an esteemed professor of philosophy. Unfortunately,

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he has a eurodegenerative disease which has
greatly affected his hold on reality. He's

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all but lost his eyesight as well. He's no longer capable of looking after

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himself. That the family, including
his ex wife Francois played by Nicole Garcia,

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needs to find an appropriate facility to
kedia for him. And that's sort

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of heartbreaking. It really is in
real life, let alone on film,

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so he ends up being shuffled from
one hospital to the next, with Sandra

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being a frequent visitor. The rest
of Sandra's life is centered around her eight

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year old daughter Lynn played by Camille
Leben Martins, and then she bumps into

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an old friend of her dead husband
who happens to be an expedition adventurer called

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Clement played by Melville Popart, married
with a son. The chemistry between Clement

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and Sandra is obvious. His marriage
is on shaky ground. The inevitable happens,

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but navigating that inevitable is hardly without
its issues. So mixing poignancy with

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pleasure, I actually think this does
present the audience with a rich tableau.

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The script allows the actors to showcase
their talents, which is the whole point

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of a good script, none more
so than Laya Say Do, who really

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brings a great sense of authenticity I
felt to her portrayal, and it allows

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Sandra finding Pascal in the context of
what we're seeing, allow Sandra to rediscover

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a part of the being that was
really boxed away. And I thought that

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Sadu's playfulness is every bit as engaging
as her more serious side, because we

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do see both sides of her character, and Papa presents his character's moral dilemma

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with assurance. In the clinches quite
literally, there's a smoldering intensity about the

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couple, which is good. I
mean, that's what we want to see.

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Gregory excels as a man who's intellect
has all but abandoned him. And

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I also appreciated the feisty characterization by
Nicole Garcia as George's former wife come activist

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Francois. I thought she was really
strong. And by the way, the

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film's title One Fine Morning is drawn
from the professor's intended autobiography, which he

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never got to write. It deals
with life's big issues with quite some maturity,

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and I've founded a film of substance
and quality that has emotional resonance.

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What about you, Peter, did
do you like One Fine Morning? I

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certainly did that. Mia Hansen Love
is such an incredible filmmaker. Her films,

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as you mentioned, Bergmann Island and
Father of My Children and other films

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she explores, in particular women's journey
through difficult circumstances and trying to reach some

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sort of conclusion which is going to
be beneficial for everyone concerned. And One

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Fine Morning is another great example.
Leah Sadou is such a good actress and

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inhabits the role so well. In
fact, there are times when you see

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her emotionally affected by what's happening with
her father, as well as the relationship

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that she can never properly have with
her lover who's married. So this is

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a really fine film, a great
journey in many respects, subtle in some

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respects as well, and another great
example of French filmmaking that is so prominent

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in terms of exploring in particular women's
role in society. It's certainly the sensibilities

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of French cinema are different, and
that's something I always look forward to because

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it's not the take that you would
necessarily have from an English and American or

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an Australian films for that matter.
And Vivala diferon so it's no pun intended.

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I really enjoy French cinema because it
explores themes in a different tone than

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we would get in the other Western
nations. I've already alluded to, what

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about you, Greg, did you? I haven't? You haven't said it?

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Okay? Fair and reasonable? You
obviously exactly, So okay, Peter,

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your score out of ten for One
Fine Morning, m A rated one

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hundred and thirteen minutes. Oh,
an excellent film. Eight out of ten.

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I give it seven and a half. I mean, I liked it.

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I really liked it. But I
didn't love it, but I really

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liked it. So that's what I
would sort of say about One Fine Morning.

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Let's go from there to a we
go from subtlety to non subtlety,

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I would suggest by talking about another
superhero movie called The Flash. Now,

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this is a very long film,
as seems to be the bent whenever you've

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got a superhero movie of late.
We're one hundred and forty four minutes here,

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so shy on two and a half
hours. It's M rated. And

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you can't actually make a superhero movie
without reference to the multiverse in this day

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and age? Can you greg?
The multiverse is everywhere, especially in the

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Marble films. You've been doing it
for years now. Yeah. But that's

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the thing that amazes me now that
one's copying the other. I'm not sure

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who's copying home, but we're talking
about DC here, so DC is sort

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of latched onto it, And I
mean, is that a good thing?

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I mean, can't we stick to
one earthly plane. Can we not do

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that anymore? Do we? Out? Down? Makes possibilities though, I

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think this film has used quite well
Connelly. Yeah, yeah, that's look,

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you've got the nerdish insecure. Barry
Allen played by Ezra Miller works in

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criminal forensics and he has he's got
a voracious hunger. Whatever he can stuff

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his face, he stuff stuffs his
face. That's to give him energy,

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right, So anyway, he's the
pivotal figure Barry Allen, and he is

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also the Flat is a founding member
of the Justice League, but he's forever

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down on himself and even though he's
rescued many people in distress, he regards

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himself as being treated badly, shabbily, called upon only when his hero Batman

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is not available. And just to
give you some sort of context, the

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Flash gained his superpower, which was
incredible speed, after being doused in chemicals

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following a lightning strike. So that's
how he came to be the Flash.

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Barry Allen's upbringing has been shaped by
a tragic event that so or his beloved

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mother Nora played by Marabel Verdu,
stabbed to death. His father, Nora's

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husband, Henry Ron Livingstone, is
incarcerated for that crime. Henry has always

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protested his innocence, and Barry Barry
Allen believes him. The outcome of Henry's

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appeal is imminent, although his expectations
of success are low. Then Barry,

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in the guise of the Flash,
chances upon a way to rewrite history,

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to turn back the clock and ensure
his mother never died. Although he is

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worn that going back in time making
over a single event can upset the equilibrium

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of the universe, the Flash can't
help himself, and it's there that he

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comes face to face with himself.
Suddenly there's an older and a younger Flash,

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and the pair must learn to work
together. But as had been forecast,

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time travel can have devastating consequences.
As a result of the older Flasher's

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action, Earth is under extreme threat
from dreaded supervillain General Zod played by Michael

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Shannon, so the Flashes, the
two of them are not alone in fighting

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the enemy. In their corner is
Batman played by Michael Keaton and Supergirl Sash

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Carl with lots and lots of cameos. There's a great deal crammed into one

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hundred and forty four minutes of intense
action, and you really got to concentrate

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to follow all the threads. The
first Batman we meet is Ben Affleck,

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and Galga Dot appears briefly as Wonder
Woman. There's also a reverential nod and

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I'm deliberately avoiding naming them two superheroes
past. So the Flash is the work

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of the writers Christina Hodson, who
did Birds of Prey and Joby Harold Transformers

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Rise of the Beasts. Direction is
from Andy Michetti, who you'll remember that

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Runaway success with it the horror movie
Look. Frankly, I appreciated Barry Allen's

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fraud backstory and his endeavor to bring
back his mum more than the superheroes at

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war in this film. I thought
that that was good. The goofy characterization

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by Ezra Miller, his awkwardness around
virtually everybody is quite endearing, and I

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also like the arc. Give it
to both Affleck and Keaton as iterations of

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Batman. Affleck I first played the
Cape Crusader in twenty sixteen, but with

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Keaton we have to go back to
the nineteen eighty nine. I love their

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nostalishic returns in the Flash. There
are quite a few memorable scenes, especially

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early on, among them Affleck as
Batman on a souped up motorbike with more

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gadgets than James Bond in hot pursuit
of a getaway car featuring gun coat toting

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thieves, and contrast at with a
Flash running out of petrol as a building

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collapses and a baby shower. Beckons
that was one of the great and humorous

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moments in the movie and also dips
my leader the amusing reference to the Back

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to the Future films which appears as
the plot unfold. Now, notwithstanding my

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basic enjoyment of the picture, I
can't say I'm a massive fan of the

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ongoing trend in terms of superhero films, whether that be Dark, Marvel or

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DC. And I speak of introducing
Evan Moore characters into plot lines. I

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know the genie is well and truly
out of the bottle, but I,

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for one, would like to see
that reigned in. I just it's just

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too much. Still, I thought, for the most part, the Flash

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remains entertaining and engaging. If over
extended, it did not need to run

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for two hours and twenty four minutes. Gregory Keane did it Probably not,

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but more is better into superhero universe
here, I thought this was not quite

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flash, but it was entertaining and
up there with a lot of humor in

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there. I thought, as the
younger the teenage baried character, Miller is

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channeling Piano Reeves from his Bill and
said, days, Yeah, I thought

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there were some some of the special
fits are really quite spectacular, are really

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good, but some also appeared rather
dodgy, so maybe they're running out of

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money, body into the exud or
something. And I thought Michael shan And

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appeared board with his role here as
general result, just going through the emotions

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there. But I liked some of
the human there, especially when Barrios,

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trying to adjust to his new world, had gone to when Eric Saltz started

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in Backs to the Future not Michael
J. Fox, and Kevin Bacon was

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in Top Gun, not Tom cruising
It, I thought that was playing playing

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around with some of the UM film
history law there. I also liked the

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clever cameos many uncredited here, the
payomage to earlier versions of many of these

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superheroes that we're growing up with.
And Michael Keaton is the older oldest etcher

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to play Batman on screen, though
he did a great job really, I've

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already bought some essentially gravity to the
performers, but also the sense of familiarity

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because those who grew up watch with
the Tim Burton too films there, we'll

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remember him. But look, there's
a bit all over the shop at times

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here, some great action sequences,
lots of color and movement there, and

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healing with some big things here like
Jestdy Fate family and Barry Allen learns that

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no matter what you do, you
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mean it looked and we've seen this
theme before, but I thought it was

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really well played here. That you
change one thing, it changes everything,

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and you can't always get what you
wish for, which is a reasonable theme.

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Peter, did you appreciate it or
not? I mean, you're not

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really a superhero massive fan, are
you? No, not so much,

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I must have been. I did
find this film somewhat tiresome, especially as

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Ezra Millner's Flash character and his alter
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became very tiresome. Indeed, I
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Yes, there is some humor in
the film, and there is some

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clever cgi. I know that they
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it was affected by COVID and there
are badget issues and lots of filmmakers changed

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course during the making of the film
and so on, so it has its

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production issues. It was nice to
see Jeremy Irons in the film. It

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was nice to see Timura Morrison in
the film as well, But throwing all

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these cameos and small roles and so
on into the film makes it for a

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somewhat complex and repetitive mix for my
liking. I mean, the whole Justice

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League sort of aspect of it is
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just didn't feel anything warmth thought,
any any relationship at all with the characters

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or with the situation. Yes,
the CGI was quite good, and some

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of the cameos, which we won't
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worth. But I just felt that
the whole thing dragged a little bit and

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it was just too repetitive for my
liking. So I'm not a huge fan

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of it. M Well again,
I mean, so did you see merit

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in what they were trying to achieve
by bringing back the past and combining it

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with the present, Because I did
see merit in that, and Greek said

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the same thing. It looked to
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I've seen that in other films,
so that idea of changing history, of

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bringing back the past, and I've
seen it presented in a more compelling way

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than it was in The Flash,
which became rather childish at times. I

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thought, this is getting really silly, and I would have thought there were

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stronger themes that the film could have
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Okay, so let's go to the
scores. Greg, why don't you start

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us off with the Flash which runs
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What are you going to give it
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and six out of ten. I'm
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I'm kind of given it more if
it had been shorter and put some of

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the gauss out. Yeah, well
that's that's yeah, which is what I

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started with. And well, okay, I thought you were going to give

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it a high school given the praise
that you, I'd like, Peter,

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I'll be bored with it, and
I'll found it a little bit with pernudium

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and a wide end. Okay,
and Peter, look at it. It's

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okay. As a time filler,
I suppose for superhero fans, but I

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could only give it five out of
ten. Well, then I've got the

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high watermark here. I'm giving you
seven and a half. I thought it

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was quite meritorious. Notwithstanding that,
like you, Greg, I started to

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shuffle in my seat a little bit. But you know that, I think

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that's true of virtually every superhero movie
that we're seeing of late. They seem

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to definitely stretch it out beyond the
two hour mark, and that that that's

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almost like they were it as a
badge of honor. All right, Well,

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another big film, and I suppose
it's interesting that we're coming up the school

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holidays here, and this, to
me is one that you can take your

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little ease too, or your grandkids
too. It's called Elemental, It's PG

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rated and it runs for one hundred
and nine minutes, and you've got to

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ask the question, what happens when
water encounters fire? Well, you know,

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water usually douses fire if it's not
too big. You know, if

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it's a bush fire, that you
might need a lot of it over a

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lengthy period of time. But it's
the question behind Pixar's latest animated adventure comedy,

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This glowing couple Bernie the voice of
Ronnie del Carmen and Cinder Schiller Ommy

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arrive in Element City and are duly
process. So imagine somebody coming to the

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United States in days gone by and
you've got the Statue of Liberty, etc.

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You know, history of America.
Anyway, circumstances have resulted in Bernie

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and Cinder. By the way,
that that's not their sort of real names,

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but their names. They the official
can't understand what the names are,

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so names them Bernie and Cinder.
I mean, I suppose that's true to

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life, because often when people in
the past emigrated to whichever country and their

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names were not readily rolling off the
tongue to an English speaking audience, they

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were given another name. So I
suppose there's some truth in all of that.

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But anyway, circumstances have resulted in
Bernie and Cinder leaving behind their beloved

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home, which was known as Fireland. Element City. Well, it's a

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place where each of the elements tend
to mix with their own so that that

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avoids the fallout that's fratnizing with others
can bring. So Bertie and Sider they

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take up residence in a dilapidated building
before opening a good food establishment named the

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Fireplace. Soon en after, happy
couple welcomes a daughter known as Ember Luhman

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voice of Layah Lewis, and in
seemingly no time, she's introduced into the

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family business by her father, who
hopes that before too long, she'll take

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over the business from him. There
is a problem though. While having a

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deep love of family, Ember,
who is now in her twenties, is

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hot headed and she loses her cool
with difficult customers. That is a problem

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for her father, who basically says, well, when you're ready, you

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will take over, but clearly you
are not ready yet. And then one

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day, while left to look after
the shop, Ember's temper triggers a flood

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and swept into their premises is a
city inspector. Quite literally, this city

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inspector is a water element called Wade
Ripple played by or The voiced by mamadou

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Athy, who issues the fireplace with
a number of citations, and these may

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well see the place closed permanently,
a situation that Ember cannot countenance, so

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in her endeavor to right the wrong. In inverted commas, Ember begins seeing

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more of Wade Wade Ripple, and
against her better judgment, a meaningful close

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relationship between the two does developed,
although he does appear more eager than her.

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Mind you, when her father finds
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More than that, the question must
be asked, is the shop Ember's

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true calling? Now? I ask
this question, why is it that animation

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like live action can cut to the
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I was pondering that while I was
watching Elemental unfold, and my civil

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answer because the properties in bu,
in the rich tapestry of characters created by

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the master storytellers, is just that
it's very, very rich, and in

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effect, cartoons become human. They
laugh, they cry, they feel sad,

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they get angry, and so it
is here in Elemental and I freely

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acknowledge. I actually shed a few
happy tears while viewing this latest Pixar release,

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and I think that's a great thing. Dare I say? There's more

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than a little fire in the hero. There's perseverance, there's patients, there's

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understanding in her bow, and while
the pair are like chalk and cheese,

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the outcome is never in doubt.
The film is about overcoming impediments. So

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it was written by John Hoberg,
cat Lick Hell, and Brenda Shu,

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who, along with the director Peter
Soon, were responsible for development of the

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story. Love the creativity involved in
crafting characters that represent polar opposites, in

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this case fire and water with clouds
thrown in for good measure, and it

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begs for a kaleidoscope of color and
it duly delivers big time. The picture

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is really glorious to look at.
The animators have done a fabulous draw job

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bringing Elemental City to life. More
than that, I thought the film has

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charm, it's got pizzazz, it's
got spirit. Good one, as has

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mentioned at the outset appearance to take
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It's PG rated, runs for one
hundred and nine minutes. Greg,

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what did you think of it?
I haven't seen this one yet either,

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Alex. I had a problem when
I came back from Sydney. I had

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a leap pipe in my apartment while
I was waved. It's ruined the carpet.

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So I've been trying to get hold
of m plumbers and trying to enjoy

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a carpet. So apart from World
Game and anything else, I can well

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understand. I'm sorry to hear that. In fact, you've basically played into

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the theme of this movie flood.
Yes, yeah, see't yet inadvertently.

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Inadvertently you've been flooded. Yeah,
in terms of your flood of emotions.

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Peter Kraus, what did you think? I look? I was a bit

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disappointed by Elementary I have to say, yes, I look. I like

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Pixar's films. I remember all the
way back to Inside Out, which was

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such a clever and well written animation
about emotions and behavior and how to control

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that and so on, and I
thought there was real quality in writing in

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that film. But I think now
that Disney is part of the Pixar universe,

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I have a feeling and part of
the pun that Disney has watered down

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a little bit of the stories that
we're now Seeing coming from Pixar and Elemental

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is a good example of that.
The whole issue of fire and water and

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how they are opposites and how they
attract and so on became somewhat repetitive for

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me. There's that repetition sort of
aspect, a bit like The Flash,

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and I must admit it, for
me, it was a little tiresome because

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I would have liked more of story
about the migration, aspect about fitting into

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community, about other aspects of land
and water and so on working together.

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I don't know, I found this
a little bit too simplistic and a little

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bit too repetitive. Look, the
CGI is very good in this film overall,

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the effects and so on looked great, but I found the central romantic

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relationship very tiresome and it just went
on and on forever, when in fact

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the film perhaps should have focused on
other things as well. It was nice

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to hear the voice of Katherine o'hia, but I think overall, and I

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know, this film is preceded in
cinemas by a short film about a man

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and his dog that was fun.
Yes, yes, the character from Up

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and his dog so anyway, and
I felt that was more interesting than the

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feature. So with Elemental, I
don't know. I just felt a little

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bit unhappy about the way the story
developed or didn't develop, and had its

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obvious outcome. I like it.
I love the fact that they do those

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little shorts. I mean they do
it's so well, and I would like

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we used to see shorts when we
saw movies. Of course, I don't

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think that's necessary to bring back,
but I really like what Disney does,

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and it's not the first time that
they've done it. I like the fact

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that they invest in those sorts of
films. I actually I would love to

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see a Disney sort of cavalcade of
shorts that's put together for audience involvement,

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in participation, because they're usually good, aren't they. When I mean,

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they don't choose just choose average sort
of storylines, and there's always a little

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bit of a quirky element to it. There are. In fact, the

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writing for those short films is so
much stronger and more interesting than sometime some

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of the features. But I think
the reason for that is it's easier to

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write something that sustains you for a
shorter space of time. One of the

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problems that I often have with a
film is they build it up, and

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then they struggle to finde an ending
that I find suitable or adequate. And

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I don't know whether you have similar
problems, but I mean that's probably one

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of the biggest challenges, whether you're
reading a book or seeing a piece of

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art or whatever it might be.
Getting an ending that satisfies an audience and

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fits in with the narrative structure can
make or break a movie, Can it

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not? Better? Look? It
certainly can to some extent, And there's

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always audience expectations that you want to
have a particular ending, a happy ending,

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or something else that ties things together. I just like Sayes of Gray.

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I like to have perhaps aspects of
a story that a little bit more

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convoluted or a little bit more difficult
to maneuve, so that audiences have to

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think, well, I'm thinking.
I mean one of my most one of

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the best movies I've ever seen was
on Sandi, which just had the element

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of surprise. Remember that, yes, yes, the dentist serve of the

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nerve film. Yeah, I mean, just I love that when that almost

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your expectations are upturned and I think, wow, you know, that's that's

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really something to behold. So that's
that's kind of what I want in my

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movies, but that that's few and
far between. I mean you most of

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the time, as with a number
of the movies we've spoken about today,

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you get what you expect, right, and a lot of people find that

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satisfying. Do you have a problem, Greek when a movie leaves it up

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to us as an audience to make
a decision about Now? Remember you saw

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what effect you at times, like
the ending of Inception with the top spinning

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and you just sort of your left
your imagination, what's what's happen when tops

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00:32:00.000 --> 00:32:04.440
stop spinning? That? There was
one, But there was one that you

404
00:32:04.480 --> 00:32:10.039
and I disagreed with recently where we
went to the keyno. Remember there was

405
00:32:10.079 --> 00:32:14.640
a you found the film quite slow. I'm just trying to remember what it

406
00:32:14.799 --> 00:32:20.799
was. It was in a courtroom
sitting saying hammur say yeah exactly. Now

407
00:32:21.079 --> 00:32:24.119
that had an ambiguous ending, and
I don't think you particularly warm to that,

408
00:32:24.160 --> 00:32:25.960
did you. No, girl,
I didn't like to film to start

409
00:32:27.000 --> 00:32:29.440
with, so you know that wasn't
going to be effectively. But you enjoyed

410
00:32:29.440 --> 00:32:34.319
a film or it's got all these
possibilities, um, yes, leaving you

411
00:32:34.440 --> 00:32:37.720
wonder what happened some books to that
do they come finished with a bit of

412
00:32:37.720 --> 00:32:42.119
an ending and bigorous ending that you
want leave you up to work out what

413
00:32:42.440 --> 00:32:45.960
it's going to happen next and drum
how you relate to the character and sometimes

414
00:32:46.200 --> 00:32:51.039
what you get at check out in
the film that it might um, you

415
00:32:51.160 --> 00:32:54.119
might go in a different direction.
I'm just I'm curious. Boys. I

416
00:32:54.240 --> 00:32:58.200
know one of our colleagues, Dave
Briflets, who we haven't heard from for

417
00:32:58.240 --> 00:33:00.519
a while because it's been involved in
sorts of other things. Hopefully we get

418
00:33:00.599 --> 00:33:05.680
him back, but he has written
scripts, etc. So he knows how

419
00:33:06.000 --> 00:33:09.319
challenging that is. Have any of
you tackled writing, you know, like

420
00:33:09.599 --> 00:33:14.000
writing along the piece of work?
Obviously what we do is we we sort

421
00:33:14.000 --> 00:33:16.920
of write all broadcast about film and
theater and so on. But have you

422
00:33:16.960 --> 00:33:22.160
tried, Peter, you've gone beyond
that and written a script? No,

423
00:33:22.279 --> 00:33:25.839
I haven't, and any interest in
so doing or you're you're too to go

424
00:33:27.000 --> 00:33:30.519
into it. What you do day
to day absolutely to engage with semchls.

425
00:33:31.759 --> 00:33:37.079
But I suppose you can admire that. I admire writers who can do that

426
00:33:37.119 --> 00:33:40.079
because it's a totally different form of
writing to journalism. Totally different. You

427
00:33:40.119 --> 00:33:45.839
know, the creative process involved and
the time that it takes to write something

428
00:33:45.880 --> 00:33:50.920
as well, high heightened and high
admiration. What about you, Greg,

429
00:33:50.960 --> 00:33:52.400
I mean you do a lot of
reading. Could you ever write a book?

430
00:33:53.039 --> 00:33:57.319
I go deep, so I'll probably
not disciplined enough to do that.

431
00:33:58.079 --> 00:34:00.400
Fair enough, We'll look some time. Let yeah, let's go to where

432
00:34:00.440 --> 00:34:04.519
I'm mentor yes before you move on. I generally it's a Christian. When

433
00:34:04.519 --> 00:34:07.280
we talked about the Flash there,
we've Ezra Miller's sort of in all sorts

434
00:34:07.320 --> 00:34:10.840
of problems at the moment, but
given the Flash, he's quite successful at

435
00:34:10.840 --> 00:34:15.559
the box overs and everything, and
he's likely would be um sequels following the

436
00:34:15.639 --> 00:34:17.360
character. What are they likely do? Are they going to recast the character

437
00:34:17.800 --> 00:34:23.079
or do they drop the Flash from
New Justice League rostero preaps you can without

438
00:34:23.119 --> 00:34:27.400
without going in to find detail for
those people who are not familiar with what's

439
00:34:27.400 --> 00:34:32.239
going on with Ezra outline what's going
on in you know, respectful manner.

440
00:34:32.800 --> 00:34:37.039
I's got himself in all sorts of
legal problems there that that's all. I'm

441
00:34:37.039 --> 00:34:39.760
not going to go and do too
much detail there. But he has been

442
00:34:39.840 --> 00:34:45.960
sort of charged with some quite serious
manners there, um, but yeah,

443
00:34:45.960 --> 00:34:49.000
it's just one in what's going to
happen given the fact that filled companies are

444
00:34:49.039 --> 00:34:52.880
relucted to um, yes, will
after after they've sort of disgraced themselves.

445
00:34:53.000 --> 00:34:57.599
What's slightly happened with the Flash now, Well, it's probably just as easy

446
00:34:57.599 --> 00:34:59.920
to recast him. That's happened in
the past, you know, with the

447
00:35:00.039 --> 00:35:04.840
Spider Man and Batman franchises, So
that might be uses Paul, Yeah,

448
00:35:05.000 --> 00:35:07.320
Peter, do you ever feel feel
so what might happen in that regard?

449
00:35:08.599 --> 00:35:15.480
Not particularly, I mean Hollywood always
feigns are difficult to deal with these situations

450
00:35:15.599 --> 00:35:20.119
now, and look, who knows
how that's going to pay out at this

451
00:35:20.199 --> 00:35:24.039
stage. There's been no verdict or
judgment. Yeah, look, I mean

452
00:35:24.760 --> 00:35:30.599
nobody's indispensable there, I say,
And you know that I suppose that's the

453
00:35:30.599 --> 00:35:35.800
answer. You really you don't know
what's going to happen. Obviously, any

454
00:35:36.079 --> 00:35:43.159
cases will play outs in the right
jurisdictions and we'll go from there. In

455
00:35:43.280 --> 00:35:49.079
terms of there's still Ezra Miller will
still be seen shortly and we're going to

456
00:35:49.119 --> 00:35:52.800
see Dai Land, so that that
hasn't come out. In terms of films,

457
00:35:52.800 --> 00:35:59.760
that he's made. But I can't
see having a quick look that there's

458
00:35:59.760 --> 00:36:07.280
any thing upcoming beyond the flash in
terms of his his CV. So yep,

459
00:36:07.320 --> 00:36:10.039
it will play out. So let's
go to Elemental and get a score

460
00:36:10.039 --> 00:36:15.199
out of ten from you. Better
for that, I should repeat runs for

461
00:36:15.599 --> 00:36:21.440
well, it's it's p G rated
and it run. It's running time is

462
00:36:21.480 --> 00:36:24.880
one hundred and nine minutes. Yeah, actually it's not, because when I

463
00:36:24.920 --> 00:36:31.480
saw it, the ten minutes short
means that the feature elemental run ran for

464
00:36:31.480 --> 00:36:36.480
about in ninety nine minutes. But
well, it's interesting because I always get

465
00:36:36.519 --> 00:36:40.920
mine from the motion picture, you
know, the official body in its nine

466
00:36:40.920 --> 00:36:45.639
minutes. So it does. So
you're saying it's minus the short fair enough?

467
00:36:46.079 --> 00:36:50.599
Yes, yes, anyway, it's
not a bad film. It's just

468
00:36:51.320 --> 00:36:54.280
too repetitive for my liking, too
obvious A story six out of ten and

469
00:36:54.360 --> 00:36:58.159
I'm giving it an eight. I
thought it was terrific. I mean again,

470
00:36:58.360 --> 00:37:00.239
it brought emotion into it, and
I like that. You didn't cry,

471
00:37:00.280 --> 00:37:07.679
obviously, better not at all?
I did. I did, and

472
00:37:07.719 --> 00:37:09.239
I thought that was nice. You
know, if you can bring me to

473
00:37:09.280 --> 00:37:15.360
tears, then that's that's another bad
thing. Now, I wanted. Last

474
00:37:15.440 --> 00:37:21.119
night I saw no night before last. I went to see Identity at the

475
00:37:21.159 --> 00:37:23.920
State Theater Arts Center. It's the
latest work in the Australian Ballet. In

476
00:37:23.960 --> 00:37:28.239
fact, there's there's a ballet season
if you like, and this is the

477
00:37:28.239 --> 00:37:35.480
start of a ballet season here in
Melbourne for the Australian Ballet. And we've

478
00:37:35.480 --> 00:37:38.760
got a couple of other works that
are we're going to see. There's also

479
00:37:38.840 --> 00:37:45.960
going to be a Japanese ballet company
that is being promoted through the Australian Ballet.

480
00:37:45.239 --> 00:37:51.000
And there were two pieces that were
both just under an hour and that's

481
00:37:51.039 --> 00:37:54.800
what Identity is now. Very they're
new, they're very different works each as

482
00:37:54.800 --> 00:38:01.000
I say, fifty something minutes.
It's in a nutshell. It's modern dance

483
00:38:01.119 --> 00:38:06.519
and then traditional ballet. So there
are elements of both. I admired.

484
00:38:07.000 --> 00:38:12.679
I just thought there's a bit too
much repetition in the first piece, while

485
00:38:13.280 --> 00:38:16.519
I've got enormous reverence for the second. Then let me deal with both.

486
00:38:16.559 --> 00:38:21.159
I'll deal with the second one.
First. Second one is called Paragon and

487
00:38:21.280 --> 00:38:25.760
it reintroduces the heavy weights of Australian
ballet and it's interesting. It's got something

488
00:38:25.800 --> 00:38:30.440
in common with the movies that we've
just spoken about. In terms of bringing

489
00:38:30.480 --> 00:38:36.800
back the past, you've actually got
quite a number of really fated ballet dancers

490
00:38:37.000 --> 00:38:40.239
who used to grace our stages who
have been brought back. Now that's really

491
00:38:40.280 --> 00:38:47.000
gutsy, brought back on stage performing
ballet when you know that. I mean,

492
00:38:47.039 --> 00:38:51.400
I don't even know what the ages
are, but some of these people

493
00:38:51.440 --> 00:38:55.159
would be every bit of sixty.
Now, that's not old, but to

494
00:38:55.320 --> 00:39:00.199
take to the stage as a prima
ballerina at age sixty is not some thing

495
00:39:00.320 --> 00:39:04.320
you see every day. I thought
it was absolutely fabulous. It's remarkable,

496
00:39:04.400 --> 00:39:07.079
out dexterous. They remain. Not
all of them are sixty, I might

497
00:39:07.159 --> 00:39:10.519
say, and I'm not saying as
I say, reiterate sixties not an old

498
00:39:10.519 --> 00:39:15.159
age, but in terms of the
expectation of ballet when you're seeing it in

499
00:39:15.199 --> 00:39:20.480
the best form, which is obviously
at the pinnacle with the Australian Ballet,

500
00:39:20.519 --> 00:39:24.239
that in itself is really challenging.
So I mean, it's it really did

501
00:39:24.280 --> 00:39:29.960
delight the audience that there's power,
there's passion, there's emotional resonance, and

502
00:39:30.000 --> 00:39:32.800
it's the It marks the Australian Ballet
sixtieth anniversary with a great deal of grace

503
00:39:32.840 --> 00:39:37.760
and style. And it's the work
of the resident choreographer called Alice top and

504
00:39:37.920 --> 00:39:44.400
a composer called Christopher Gordon. So
it's paragon celebrates the rich history of creativity

505
00:39:44.679 --> 00:39:49.760
inherent in the company over the decades. So you've got youthful enthusiasm, so

506
00:39:49.760 --> 00:39:53.599
you've got the younger and with lots
of energy with the revered older guard as

507
00:39:53.599 --> 00:39:59.920
well. Eight vertical panels provide the
backdrop upon which a series of a voc

508
00:40:00.280 --> 00:40:04.039
the images are projected throughout the ballet, and the photographs are of the US

509
00:40:04.039 --> 00:40:08.480
trading ballet dancers in their prime and
those behind the scenes stretching back in time.

510
00:40:09.239 --> 00:40:13.119
I thought the device would beautifully.
I mean, I couldn't get enough

511
00:40:13.159 --> 00:40:16.239
of the vigneyatts, which provide a
really powerful backdrop to the glories of the

512
00:40:16.320 --> 00:40:21.800
dancers that we see on the stage. And the panels are frequently shifted to

513
00:40:21.880 --> 00:40:27.559
form new shapes and enable the performers
to enter an exit. And the piece

514
00:40:27.559 --> 00:40:31.079
to resistance is the final act when
the backdrop is reversed. So all of

515
00:40:31.159 --> 00:40:37.280
a sudden we see the back of
these panels and they reveal what's called the

516
00:40:37.320 --> 00:40:39.880
bar, the long hand rail which
I'm sure both of you can relate to

517
00:40:40.719 --> 00:40:45.559
the ballet warm up studio. You
know where you hold on and you've got

518
00:40:45.559 --> 00:40:51.679
to put your feet up to the
bar, etc. And the cast interacts

519
00:40:51.800 --> 00:40:57.119
casually against that and it is just
magnificent, a stroke of genius. And

520
00:40:57.320 --> 00:41:00.960
that all but brought tears to my
eyes as well, bra I mean bravo.

521
00:41:00.159 --> 00:41:04.880
Really, I adored Paragon, Bravo
for what they've done with it.

522
00:41:05.480 --> 00:41:10.239
And so that that's the second piece, and the first one called the hum

523
00:41:10.559 --> 00:41:15.159
and it's even as you enter the
State Theater, which is just beautiful.

524
00:41:16.599 --> 00:41:22.159
Greg, Have you have a witnessed
the magnificent curtain, the red curtain with

525
00:41:22.280 --> 00:41:27.599
gold embellishment and that if you do, you know what I'm talking about when

526
00:41:27.639 --> 00:41:31.320
you enter the State Theater or have
you never seen that? Uh not,

527
00:41:31.400 --> 00:41:37.599
No, you know you know it
instantly that that appears at the start of

528
00:41:37.599 --> 00:41:39.559
the second act. And I turned
to my wife and said, oh my

529
00:41:39.679 --> 00:41:44.960
golly, that never loses its last
It is just something special. Anyway,

530
00:41:45.920 --> 00:41:49.159
that's not what you see when you
first enter the theater. Here you've got

531
00:41:49.199 --> 00:41:52.599
this sort of white rock like formation
against a stark, back back black background,

532
00:41:52.840 --> 00:41:58.960
and it's it's shape shifting. It's
constantly moving from smaller to larger,

533
00:41:59.400 --> 00:42:04.320
and that's what we see as we
enter the state theater. Now that visual

534
00:42:04.360 --> 00:42:09.960
image metamorphosizes into a large global vortex
once the curtain goes up, and it

535
00:42:10.039 --> 00:42:14.400
often has a tail. So it
gave me the appearance of a balloon of

536
00:42:14.519 --> 00:42:17.800
various hues, and notably red and
black. Why is that significant? Gregory,

537
00:42:19.159 --> 00:42:23.320
take you mighty fighting Essendon football machine. I can bring football into any

538
00:42:23.320 --> 00:42:30.000
conversation you know anyway? Various hues
now Orchestra Victoria in tones. This dramatic

539
00:42:30.159 --> 00:42:37.159
musical score with flourishes from Deborah Cheatham, Freylon AO to the work created by

540
00:42:37.239 --> 00:42:42.519
Daniel Riley and he. Daniel Riley
is the artistic director of Australian Dance Theater

541
00:42:42.760 --> 00:42:45.800
and the hum is a collaboration between
a straight in dance theater and the Australian

542
00:42:45.840 --> 00:42:51.760
Ballet. Most noteworthy is the fluidity
of motion inherent in this piece. So

543
00:42:51.800 --> 00:42:55.039
sometimes you've got a large number of
dances, other times you've got one or

544
00:42:55.079 --> 00:43:01.039
two dancers for all of the ability
though I mean to me, it's sort

545
00:43:01.039 --> 00:43:05.679
of about connection with the land.
But I found it hard to pick up

546
00:43:05.719 --> 00:43:09.320
the threads of any narrative. I
mean, it's it's far more ethereal in

547
00:43:09.360 --> 00:43:14.039
its qualities, and there's nothing wrong
with that. But I can't really say

548
00:43:14.079 --> 00:43:17.360
the work spoke to me like the
second one. I actually thought it struggled

549
00:43:17.360 --> 00:43:22.400
and sustain its running time. I
say that because I didn't see enough variation

550
00:43:22.800 --> 00:43:25.880
to keep me absorbed. Half hour
would have well and truly done me in

551
00:43:25.920 --> 00:43:30.320
this one. That it's not that
it's bad. It's not, don't get

552
00:43:30.360 --> 00:43:34.480
me wrong, but I just the
second one has such diversity to it,

553
00:43:34.800 --> 00:43:38.320
and the first one has doesn't have
quite as much. Still, over all,

554
00:43:38.360 --> 00:43:43.039
the divergent pieces of theatricality and endeavor
that are the harm and the Barragon

555
00:43:43.360 --> 00:43:47.840
showcase the breadth of the Australian ballet
that in and of itself all as well

556
00:43:47.960 --> 00:43:52.800
for the next sixty years and beyond, definitely worth seeing. Identity, it's

557
00:43:52.840 --> 00:43:58.639
playing at State Theater Arts Center,
Melbourne until the twenty fourth of June,

558
00:43:59.000 --> 00:44:06.000
was greatly appreciated by the audience on
opening night, which was Friday Friday evening.

559
00:44:06.519 --> 00:44:10.639
That is Identity. I want to
talk on Jay about a couple of

560
00:44:10.639 --> 00:44:15.719
other things that, depending upon time, that I've seen during during the week

561
00:44:15.800 --> 00:44:22.800
now one of those. How do
you both feel about slapstick absurdist comedy?

562
00:44:22.360 --> 00:44:27.159
Is it something that annoys you?
I mean you could go back to Monty

563
00:44:27.199 --> 00:44:31.599
Python. Are you Monty Python fans? Either of your Greek who like some

564
00:44:31.679 --> 00:44:36.760
of their stuff? Yeah? I
mean what about you, Peter, Absurdist

565
00:44:36.880 --> 00:44:39.559
comedy does it do it for you? Or do you get challenged and it's

566
00:44:39.559 --> 00:44:43.119
not your bent? Now? I
like it? I mean, think of

567
00:44:43.199 --> 00:44:45.880
Jerry Lewis, think of what's up? Doc. There's been going back to

568
00:44:45.960 --> 00:44:50.280
bringing up baby, going back to
the thirties. So yeah, I like

569
00:44:50.400 --> 00:44:55.519
it. Okay, Well what a
breakout? The Guiling absurdist slapstick Comedy master

570
00:44:55.679 --> 00:45:01.519
Class is at Moldhouse Theater. Deliberate
a lead pointed slight at male arrogance and

571
00:45:01.800 --> 00:45:07.079
entitlement. So you've got a pretentious
interviewer played by Fiedlam Cannon who conducts an

572
00:45:07.119 --> 00:45:15.559
at first fawning interview with a heralded
esoteric playwright and director played by Adrian Truscott.

573
00:45:15.400 --> 00:45:21.320
Their dress sense, their wigged and
mustasioed personas, at least one of

574
00:45:21.360 --> 00:45:25.000
them as a mustache, are as
outlandishes. The interplay between the pair our

575
00:45:25.039 --> 00:45:30.360
Truscott has premiered a work that pits
man against woman, and it's resulted in

576
00:45:30.400 --> 00:45:37.199
mayhem? Were the sexes at Loggerheads
master Class masterfully manipulates the traditional practice of

577
00:45:37.440 --> 00:45:42.840
interview with an interwees, turning the
age old practice on its head. So

578
00:45:42.920 --> 00:45:47.280
you've got physical and you've got verbals
humor colliding. As the interviewe challenges the

579
00:45:47.320 --> 00:45:54.440
interview work complete with music and dramatic
sound effects, Truscott proceeds down the path

580
00:45:54.480 --> 00:46:01.239
of quote, educating Cannon as to
why white male artists are no longer needed.

581
00:46:01.519 --> 00:46:04.920
We've had enough of them, right, there's enough in there, I

582
00:46:04.960 --> 00:46:09.599
say, the cannon of what has
been in existence since time immemorial. Now,

583
00:46:09.679 --> 00:46:15.760
while Cannon isn't sold in time,
he comes to understand Truscott's perspective.

584
00:46:15.320 --> 00:46:20.639
Still, when push comes to shove, Cannon refuses to leave the stage.

585
00:46:21.480 --> 00:46:25.639
Now, this is a one hour
piece. And what happens is, if

586
00:46:25.679 --> 00:46:30.920
you're can imagine this, You've got
two people on stage with a couple of

587
00:46:30.960 --> 00:46:37.639
old arm chairs, and you've got
a like a coffee table and little more

588
00:46:37.039 --> 00:46:40.599
right, a few little accouterments,
but not much more so. The piece

589
00:46:40.639 --> 00:46:45.199
finishes and the pair are still on
stage together, sitting opposite one another,

590
00:46:45.480 --> 00:46:51.920
because Canon refuses to leave the stage, and there's music playing which is again

591
00:46:52.000 --> 00:46:55.199
talk about talking about women and men
and so forth, so the music is

592
00:46:55.239 --> 00:47:04.960
most appropriate. And gradually the crew
behind at the Maldhouse comes on to sort

593
00:47:04.960 --> 00:47:08.800
of clean the space, and the
pair remain on stage, and one by

594
00:47:08.880 --> 00:47:15.679
one you've got the audience filing out
of the theater. And I deliberately stayed

595
00:47:15.679 --> 00:47:19.199
for thirteen minutes. I was the
very last guy to leave and they were

596
00:47:19.199 --> 00:47:22.760
still there. I loved it.
I thought it was just so clever and

597
00:47:22.920 --> 00:47:28.320
it, I mean, much of
it's really heady, hilarious, heartwarming,

598
00:47:28.360 --> 00:47:31.840
staff master class. It's parody of
the eysed order, which pricks privilege and

599
00:47:31.920 --> 00:47:37.880
power. Much of the interaction between
the protagonists leaves the audience in stitches and

600
00:47:37.920 --> 00:47:43.320
in real life, Truscott is a
choreographer, a dancer, a circus acrobat,

601
00:47:43.360 --> 00:47:46.159
a writer, a storyteller, and
a comedian, and she's been creating

602
00:47:46.239 --> 00:47:51.440
gender straddling work in New York City
and abroad for more than twenty years.

603
00:47:51.800 --> 00:47:55.920
And this show has been put together
by Truscott and by a Dublin based internationally

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renowned theater company, called Broken Talkers, and its co artistic directors are Feedlam

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Cannon, who we see on stage, and Gary Keegan. And while this

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pair defy categorization with their work,
it's unashamedly ambitious and fearless and that's evident

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in spades in this deliciously provocative piece
called master Class. Now, unfortunately it

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was only on for three days.
It finished yesterday. It was part of

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Rising, and if you and Rising
itself basically finishes today or was it finishings

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today or yesterday? Anyway, it
Rising. There's been some talk has Rising

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because it was a combination of two
festivals of the past, including White Knight.

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Whether Rising is hitting the mark.
I still miss a White Knight.

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I even though I did, as
I said, lose my wife one year

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when I attended, I liked the
fact that the city was opened from sort

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of dusks to door and I still
think that's that was a master stroke.

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Now you've got elements of that White
Knight in the regional areas, but we

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no longer have it in Melbourne.
I'd like to bring it back. I

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still find that I'm missing it,
and I found it was it gave the

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city a bit of a lifeblood.
The challenge that Greg you mentioned is the

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challenge that they faced not having too
many people. Maybe you could have a

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you could have a serious incident right
where people are basically well that they're smothered

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if people fall in amongst too many
other people. So I gather that that's

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sort of one of the issues that
they have. But nevertheless, as an

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event, as a cultural festival and
a spectacle, I thought that White Knight

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was something special. I applaud the
Masters of Rising. I think they did

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a really, really good job.
I saw quite a few pieces of work

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over the ten days or so.
But yeah, I mean, I still

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think there's room for more and often
the fest all that you have in the

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smaller states to know Adelaide Festival,
etc. You know that that's applauded because

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I suppose they don't have as much
going on as Melbourne does. Melbourne's theater

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scene is incredibly thriving. I put
together a list of things that I do

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every week and you boys know that, and it's almost like at the moment

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it's virtually four or five to one
in terms of theatrical entertainment compared to movies.

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I'm not sure why that is,
but I've never seen that sort of

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mix that we are seeing today.
Anyway, I also went to see Robin

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Archer. Now have you either of
you seen Robin arch alive? She's quite

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something. She's to me, she's
one of our one of our finest treasure

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as a national treasure, Greg,
have you seen Robin Archer in the past?

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Okay? Well, she puts together
a highly entertaining show called an Australian

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Songbook, and it could be the
soundtrack of the glorious Robin Archer's life.

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She's accompanied by highly talented three piece
band who also provide backing vocals, and

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they bring us largely a collection of
little known songs and a few poems.

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So there are a few tunes that
Robin Archer wrote and others that chart the

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path of Australia's heritage. And she's
got a really warm and engaging tone,

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crystal clear enunciation. She pays homage
to indigenous Australians and to immigrants. Her

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mother clearly has a special place in
her heart and really with her love of

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the land. And there's a bracket
on parodies and blowhards, including politicians,

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which goes down a treat. Robin
Archer ends this show with a lengthy doth

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to many of Australia's place names,
that goes on for probably I don't know

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the best part of ten minutes.
It's just amazing how she changes tempo.

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So there's ballads, there's lullabys,
there's laments, there's love songs, there's

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yodeling, there's up tempo numbers.
The range of this woman is magnificent.

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She and Cameron Goodall on guitars and
banjo, George Batroumlus on the accordion and

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endio Posible on keyboard, harmonize wonderfully. So you've got Bond Scott, You've

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got Kate millerhide key, you've got
First Nations songwriters and Australian Songbook is a

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rich and textured offering. Archer and
her cohort clearly have heaps of fun doing

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what they do. The chemistry between
them is palpable. So Archer Straddle's time

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and place moves from the nineteenth century
songs from there to the here and now,

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so from deeply reverential to poking the
bear here at times, salty mouth

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endears her to an appreciative crowd.
She really does provide background and context where

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these songs came from how they came
to be. I thought that really was

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excellent. It's really a narrative concert
with a primary focus on the music.

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So artist that she is provocateur in
full flight, Archer is truly a thing

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of beauty. I really gray applaud
her endeavors. This was commissioned by Queensland

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Theater. I think it's played in
Sydney as well. Robert Archer, an

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Australian songbook, also was part of
the Rising Festival that we have showcased over

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the past ten or fourteen days.
I'm looking forward to seeing it again next

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year. I don't know, Greg, you probably would have missed Euphoria,

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which was a piece of film that
was at the Melbourne Town Hall that that

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was also part of Rising. And
I know it was quite controversial because it

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was sort of against its materialism and
yet it was a rich showcase where they

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spent a lot of money getting getting
the visuals right. So I know there's

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been a bit of controversy surrounding it, but I found it. I found

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it stimulating. Some pieces of it
were more stimulating than others. That was

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Euphoria, which is also part of
Rising. That's it, boys, we

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are done. We are going to
do it all again very soon. This

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is first on film and entertainment.
Thanks Petter Kraus, Thank you Greg King.

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We'll catch you all again next time.