Oct. 27, 2024

S03E19: The Substance: Demi Moore's Age-Defying Comeback

S03E19: The Substance: Demi Moore's Age-Defying Comeback

**Host:** Alex First **Guest Critics:** Jaqui Hammerton, Peter Krause **Episode Summary:** In this thought-provoking episode, Alex First is joined by Jaqui Hammerton and Peter Krause to discuss the latest in film and societal issues. The critics dive...

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Season 3

**Host:** Alex First **Guest Critics:** Jaqui Hammerton, Peter Krause **Episode Summary:** In this thought-provoking episode, Alex First is joined by Jaqui Hammerton and Peter Krause to discuss the latest in film and societal issues. The critics dive into Coralie Fargate's intense new film *The Substance*, starring Demi Moore. The film is dissected for its commentary on fame, beauty, and societal expectations, with discussions on its length and graphic content. The conversation then shifts to the animated family film *The Wild Robot*, praised for its stunning animation and heartfelt storyline, though not without critique of its action-packed conclusion. Finally, the Timms tackles *Transformers 1*, an animated reboot of the beloved franchise, with Alex praising its emotional depth and Peter remaining unconvinced by its narrative. The episode is rich with discussions on gender roles, societal norms, and the power of cinema to spark important conversations.00:00:00 First on film and entertainment with Jackie Hamilton and Peter Kraus
00:00:54 Alex says he thinks the film could have been shortened
00:01:23 Is the Substance too long, Jackie? The answer is yes
00:02:00 Richard Simmons says The Substance is a blistering commentary on body image
00:08:39 Peter Howell: I think the film goes on a little too long
00:12:10 Alex: Jackie, I value your opinion. Let's get something clear
00:12:51 Peter says he loved the first half of the film and then the final quarter
00:15:54 What is interesting about the film is the story. I don't know how novel the story is
00:18:59 Alex Bailey says whistling towards women is unacceptable in modern society
00:24:05 Jackie says respect must be injected into way we go forward
00:26:10 Jack says MeToo movement is changing attitudes towards women but not changing behaviour
00:29:06 All right, so let's uh, let's now go back to the movie and let's talk about a score
00:29:45 Peter: Great movie. Must be seen. With a warning of being R rated
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00:32:46 The Wild Robot is a delightful take on the Wild robot
00:36:11 Jack says the characters personalities elevate the spectacle in the new film
00:40:56 Peter: I thought it was interesting approach to robots dealing with sentient beings
00:42:35 I really liked Wild Robot. Great voice, uh, cast as always
00:43:33 Jackie gives Wild Robot eight out of 10; Peter gives lower score
00:44:54 Do you remember when Spider man transposed from live action to animated
00:45:38 Alex says Transformers 1 sits comfortably alongside the pantheon of Transformers movies
00:46:49 There are so many years between James Bond movies that you long for next one
00:47:34 The story focuses on Orion Pax, who dreams of a better life than mining
00:49:09 Jackie: I was impressed by the heft of the Transformers reboot
00:50:32 Peter Krauss: I was never impressed by the live action Transformers films**Highlights:** - **The Substance:** A deep dive into Coralie Fargate's latest film, exploring themes of fame and beauty. The critics debate its graphic nature and Demi Moore's standout performance. - **The Wild Robot:** A charming family film praised for its animation and emotional depth, though critiqued for its action-heavy ending. - **Transformers 1:** Alex applauds the animated reboot for its storytelling and character depth, while Peter remains sceptical about the franchise's direction. This episode of First on Film and Entertainment offers a blend of film reviews and broader societal discussions. From the intense themes of *The Substance* to the heartwarming journey of *The Wild Robot* and the high-octane adventure of *Transformers 1*, the critics provide insightful commentary. Join Alex, Jacqui, and Peter for engaging discussions and tune in next week for more cinematic explorations.
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First on film and entertainment, Alex first with you and

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a couple of recalcitrants. The only live human being other

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than myself that adds a bit of sanity is not

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here this weekend. He's gone a wall. So we've got

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Jackie Hamilton and we've got Peter Krause. Gentlemen, lady, how

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the hell are you both? Well? Jackie?

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Morning?

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All good?

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Thank you, fantastic. Now I'm going to get a hard time,

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aren't I. I'm going to you know, all my sort

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of deliriously happy reviews of shows are going to be

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brought down to earth with your rum difficulties. Is that

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what I'm expecting, Peter Grause?

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You'll be getting honest reviews.

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Yes, yes, I cannot wait Jackie to hear view of

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one of the amazing films of the year, which I

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implored you, encouraged you, berated you to go along and see.

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In fact, I think we should start there. I think

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we should start with a bit of substance, shouldn't we, Jackie,

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wouldn't that be good?

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Go for it?

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Alex, thank you very much. Now, it is a very

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long film. It could have been shortened. I do accept

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that it's two hours and twenty minutes. Firstly, without going

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to any detail, do you think it should have been

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short of Peter Krause.

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To some extent?

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Yes, yes? Did Yes? Is it up right, Jackie?

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We haven't actually correctly given it a propertait le yet.

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So we're talking about the film called The Substance.

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I said, I called it these Yes.

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What you said in an offhand way. So I'm saying

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the film is called The Substance. And what was the question?

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Is it too long? Yes? The answer is yes, thirty minutes.

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It's thirty minutes and three hundred liters of fake blood.

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Too long?

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Right? Okay, So I'm grateful that you're not saying the

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whole thing should have been thirty minutes. That in itself

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at least we're moving in the right direction. Okay. So

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here's the question that is asked in The Substance? What

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price fame? Okay. It's at the heart of one of

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the most intense and I thought remarkable films of the year.

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And it's about physical beauty, adoration, self love, and self loathing.

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And it concerns the lengths to which one will go

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to remain relevant. So here we have Elizabeth Sparkle that's

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the character name played by Demi Moore, who makes an

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amazing return to the limelight in this particular movie. And

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Elizabeth Sparkle used to be a movie star before transitioning

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to hosting a successful morning workout show on television. So

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who what was the guy's name that we grew up watching?

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Richard Richard Simmons Simmons, thank you very much. Indeed, right,

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it's kind of that thing. But it's a female in

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tights typeduction with a couple of others. She's now middle aged,

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and her ugly natured, very ugly natured, self centered, self

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serving boss who's named Harvey played by Dennis Quaid, decides

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that she's dead weight, that her time's up, so he

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basically gives the heave home. She's driving home with the

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torments with that decision reverberating in her mind, and she's

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involved in a car accident. She has scans, they show

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no broken bones, but she breaks down in tears, and

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as she leaves, she's handed a folded piece of paper

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by one of the medicos which contains a USB drive

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directing her to what is called the substance. Now, what

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is it? Well, it's a cell replicating black market drug

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that offers the promise of a better version of yourself.

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So here we have Sparkle, whose isolated with no immediate prospects,

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and she finds it galling that Harvey has placed an

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ad from an eighteen to thirty year old to replace her,

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so she throws caution to the wind. She makes a

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call on the substance, namely that she'll give it a go.

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A mysterious male voice when she phones the number directs

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her to a run down, graffiti riddled backwater. It's there

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that she picks up a cardboard box containing the necessary

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ingredients that will allegedly restore her youth. The instructions are strict,

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they need to be followed to the latter. They involve

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a single use injected activator, followed by a stabilizer and

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a series of food pouches. So it is that Sparkle

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injects herself, and after her body contorts and falls limp,

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she quote unquote berths her newer, younger, prettier self. Bizarre

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tho this process is. That's how the perfectly proportioned and

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turned out Sue played by Margaret quietly emerges. And of

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course she's just what Harvey, the television producer is looking

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for She's hired to front a new workout show and

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viewer numbers skyrocket. Critically important with the substance, though, is

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that Sue and Elizabeth, who are two halves of a whole,

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switch back and forth every seven days. If they do

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not do so, it's going to have dire, irreversible consequences.

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Now be that as it may. Sue quickly gets caught

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up in her own self importance, Elizabeth becomes enraged. As

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I said, they are the same person in what becomes

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a fight to the death. So the Substance is an

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incendiary piece of work appointed common on men, women, societal

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expectations and the obsession that we have with physical beauty.

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The writer director is Coralie Fargot, who did Revenge, and

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in this movie she continues to push the envelope throughout

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and where do you think you've had an alf? She

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does it again and then again and again and again.

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Of course, that's the whole point to shine at bright

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light on the saturated world in which we live, where

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body image is everything, and it marks a superb return.

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As I said at the outset for Demi Moore, who's

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outstanding in a chilling portrayal of this fallen diva who

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craves more. And Elizabeth's alter ego is really well captured

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by Margaret Quailey, who exudes entitlement. Now it's a brilliant portrayal.

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Obnoxious narcissism. They're the hallmarks of Quade's representation of the

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television mover and shaker and pulling all the strings. I

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said at the outset, how ugly that characterization is. The

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cinematographer Benjamin krakenho did Promising Young Woman a great movie,

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has vividly captured the contrast between shine and grunge. Andy

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catapults us into the heart of darkness, desperation and despair.

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It's horrifying, but ohso potent. It's dramatic. It's traumatic cinema

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at its best, and it's not for the faint art.

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It holds a mirror up to society and the image

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one glances is deeply disturbing. And I say that notwithstanding

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that the movie is a tad long. But Farget as

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a filmmaker, in my mind, has established herself as one

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of renown. This is something special. It is called the substance.

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Peter Krause what do you think?

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Yes, I'm not going to take this upstance. It's okay,

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look not why not?

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You can adore yourself. I mean you're about one thousand,

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one hundred and forty three years old. Now it'll bring

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you back to your prime in your eighteen to twenties.

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Thank you very much for that. Yes, I was there

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at the launch. But anyway, Look, this is an R

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rated film for good reason, and.

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In a isn't it MA?

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No, it's R.

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Yes, it's a oh well, okay, eighteen plus eighteen plus.

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I looked it up earlier and I thought it was MA,

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so I must have been wrong for the what mark? No,

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it's sorry, the one and only TI in my life.

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That's okay.

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You need to take the substance to get I do.

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I do.

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Look, this is an interesting film to watch because it

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has twists and turns. In many cases, it's better not

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to know in advance where the story is going. I

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didn't know where this film was headed, and the way

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you've described it perhaps is a few spoilers there that

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I think audiences would want to appreciate as they are

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watching the film. There is the French filmmaker Coralie Fourgier

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has Fashion Day, a superb film. However, I agree that

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it does go on a little bit too long. I

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can see where the inspirations are coming from, everything from

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Alien to Carry two other body horror films that I've

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seen at Monsterfest and at various other places. But the

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whole idea is that men in particular see women in

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terms of their external beauty, and as soon as that

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external beauty dissipates, then they are replaceable. And that's I

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suppose the message of this film. Interesting also to note

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that Dennis Quaid has an appearance in the film, which

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is interesting to say the least, and the special effects

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and the last third of the film are incredibly over

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the top to some extent for me, too far over

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the top. I thought.

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I was to say that Peter and I've discussed this

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with a number of people prior to being on air

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with you special individuals today, and this is the common remark.

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But you think about why, you think about the purpose

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of the whole movie, and to me, it goes to

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that very essence, that's the reason that it needed to

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do it that way.

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You disagree, well, I think it made its point about

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two thirds into the film. And I think it was

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just over the top. After that, it was it was repetitive,

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and I think Corally could even though she was also

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the editor of the film, she could perhaps have cut

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back a little bit on that and so that the

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message was clear without having to become repetitive. Nevertheless, it's

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a really good film because it goes in directions that

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you don't necessarily expect. And yes, anymore is superb. Margaret

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quality is very good. But it's better not to know

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too much in advance when you go and see the film,

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because it will really startle you in many respects. The

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film doesn't have a huge amount of dialogue, but visually

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is quite stunning, as is the sound effects, which are superb,

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and the use of discordant music, et cetera. There's a

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lot to admire in this R rated film, even though

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it's not a perfect film overall.

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Jackie, I'll be really interested to hear your view, because

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I knew that this is going to sort of what's

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the expression about moving your cogs? I'm sure it did that.

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Tell me, yes, are.

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You interested to hear what I'm going to say?

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Because I'm right, jack Let's hang on, let's get think

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clear I don't have you on this show for you

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to be right. I mean, that's so far removed from

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where you're at that it doesn't matter. But I value

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your opinion. There you go.

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Does that tell me my pleasure? Thank you, Alex.

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There's that, kay disingenuous. It's meant to go on keeping.

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Okay, the film the substance, there are things I agree

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and disagree about what each of you has just said.

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Peter, pardon me. I genuinely apologize for interrupting her, because

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I do, I actually do value what you have to say.

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Did you or did you not? In a word, did

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you like it or not? Yes or not?

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I can't answer that with a yes or no because

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I see the film as a film of two parts.

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There's the plot of it and the way it starts out,

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and of the way the story progresses, and then in

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the final third it actually descends into a splatter flick. Peter,

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I think you said a little bit over the top.

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I thought it was way beyond what was necessary and

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it actually started to destroy all the good stuff at

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the start of the film. So loved the first half,

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shall we say, and then the final third to quarter

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or maybe just the final quarter. The film lost me.

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And so you might say you don't want to know

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too much about the film before you go there, and

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I agree with that with all films really, but with

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this I think the R rating there's a reason to

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warn people that if they can't handle this kind of film,

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don't see it. It's glory, it's a splatterflick. But worse

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than that, it's got a lot of medical type invasive

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procedures and that is wonderfully but also horribly exaggerated by

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the director. And the sound effects. The squelching sounds just

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were turning my stomach. And not just the medical procedures

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that were the women were doing with each other, but

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also I say, Dennis Quad's oh that scene where he's

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eating the prawns, but do you remember, but I just

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like designed to turn your stomach. But oh my god,

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I just it was in massive close up and huge

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sounds of him eating and inside the mouth, and I

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just couldn't do that. Look everything you say about.

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Jackie Jackie, wasn't that brilliant. Wasn't that? I just thought, Oh,

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what a mark.

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But then that was in the first half of the film,

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and everything about the first half of the film was

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just amazing.

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You know what I'm going to you know what you

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are going to do for me today. You're going to

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give me a score for the first well I think

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it's two thirds of the film, and then you'll give

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me a mark for the last third because that'll be

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a fail. Why did Jackie?

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No? And stop predicting.

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Okay, I'm trying to I'm sure, yeah, you're never.

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What is interesting about the film is the store. I

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don't know how novel the story, or whether it draws

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on other you know, you do say aliens. Certainly I

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could see that, even though I've never seen an alien

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film all the way through, because I actually can't. But

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it draws on really important issues that are currently all

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the There are a lot of isms going on at

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the moment, and agism is a big one that isn't

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dealt with a lot in cinema, I think, and this

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is a fantastic vehicle for the you know, raising the

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subject of agism along with and that's all to do

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with body image, and in this film it also draws

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in you know, beauty, you know, physical beauty, and youth

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and the selfishness of youth. Oh my god, did we

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struggle with some of what was going on in this film.

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But as for the way the film itself is put together,

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the just you just it's the best thing Demi Moore

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has ever done. And the castill I had, the three

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leads in the cast, I just fantastic. But as I say,

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A right at the start could have cut thirty minutes

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and three hundred leaders of that fake blood and I

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would have been a lot happier with it.

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Okay. So I mean, are you pleased you've seen it?

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Yes? Because I survived?

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No, no, no, no, okay?

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Is it a film that And also there's also something

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about this film that genuinely made me sad because it

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really was you know, I'm the same age. Oh no,

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I'm actually a little bit older than Demi Moore, she's

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sixty one. And it actually made me sad that we

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reached this age. And it's actually a thing. No, but

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it always has been. I don't think. I don't think

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ageism is a new thing. I mean, in some cultures

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there's great more respectful the seeing your generations. But you know,

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physical beauty it's always mean a thing, even bucking you know,

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the seventeenth century when they painted beautiful women who were,

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you know, larger in body. That was their idea of

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physical beauty. But there's always been a difference in presentation

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of physical beauty between men and women and how we

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respond to that.

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Yes, and of course that's the whole point of making

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this film by a I'm presuming she identifies as a woman.

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I don't. Maybe I shouldn't presume, but regardless, that's what

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makes this so poignant and powerful.

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And I don't think the gender of the director matters

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at all. I think that, you know, it's.

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It's interesting to say that to me, it does because

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it's being made by a person who and you've said

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that the judgments are different, So I just think it

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has it cuts. It's cut cuts to the quick. It

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really gets cut through, even more so because it's been

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made by someone who is of one particular sex.

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And I don't don't agree, but you okay.

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Yeah, Look, I think it'd be powerful regardless, but I

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think it adds extra weight because I mean, you hear

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about this more and more, and so we should. That

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women in particular are judged so often by incredibly ridiculous

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beauty standards. And yet is I suppose my question, which

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is probably a cheeky one. But is that is that

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a thing that we've been taught as men or is

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that in our DNA? Which doesn't make it any more excusable.

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But you know, I don't know the answer to that,

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but you know the it's funny. And I've said this

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to you before, Jackie, and you you'll have a different opinion,

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I'm sure, but it's an important topic to discuss. My

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when she walks along and you know, she's of similar

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age and they and this still happens, and I'm not kidding,

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and she's wolf whistled at. She sees it as a

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badge of honor and I mean that right, And she

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really likes it, and she always comes home and tells

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me and we make a joke about it, et cetera,

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and she genuinely likes it. Now, there are a lot

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of others who would be deeply offended by that today

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and it's sort of unacceptable right in modern standards. So

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how do you read that? I don't know. I mean,

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I'm not a woman, so I can't interpret that. But

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you give me your take on what I've just said.

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Oh, well, you know, there's different levels, but you know,

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it's one could say that that's at the at the

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very lowest level of physical appreciation from a distance, and

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then you go up all the levels to sexual being

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a sexual predator, and you know it's that that's where

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it lands. So I can't comment on your own personal experience, now, I.

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Mean, I mean, look, this is I know that often

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I talk about things, and I encourage you to as well,

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because I mean, I think one of the beauties of

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movies or shows or events or exhibitions is they transport

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you into places that perhaps you wouldn't normally talk about,

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or you go to areas that you know nothing about.

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And I love the fact that it sparks conversations.

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So I mean, well, Alex, it boils down to for me,

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it boils down and you and I discussed this sure

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ourselves too, and I've always said to you, it boils

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down for me to one word respect, and that's respect

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for the person. So if if someone's got this attitude

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to a woman and it's not respectful, well I'm sorry,

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but we're now standing up to say that's not.

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On yes, and so we should be. And look, just

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before people, if people are listening to this for the

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first time, they might think, oh, my golly, what am

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I doing to poor Jackie and Peter? I mean, you know, basically,

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i'd like to think we're right one to that too. Yeah,

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someone stop it, go blind. No, but we are basically friends.

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We've known each other, and you know that goes to

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Peter as well. We've golly, we've known each other for

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the best part of thirty to forty years, so you know,

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we take the p one doubles often. But in case

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you think that this is a personal attack on people,

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I'd like to think it's not, even though we often

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have a end of one another, and even though and Peter,

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you're the worst at this. You don't care about football,

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oh my golly, and Jackie, not you. That is deeply

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offensive to me. You know that. Right now we can

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move on. Okay, just on what.

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You're saying there, Alex. Just think about the wolf whistling

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if it's reversed. Always think of the reverse situation if

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a woman wolf whistled a man.

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That no, no, no, Peter, it's not the same, not

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the same.

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Go on, keep going. I agree with you, Jackie, but

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explain from your perspective.

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Well, from my perspective. Look, women have been subjugated since

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the first woman ever appeared by men. And you know

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this is a this is a whole new story coming

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out now. And subjugation also comes into the way that

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you know, someone reacts to you in the street. It's

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you know, been with employment, it's been with being in

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the home, it's been with domestic violence, it's been with

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physical domination.

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M hm. So okay, let I want to go back

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in time a little bit. Benny Hill we all grew

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up with, and it was it was sort of a

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rite of passage almost now you you've got to sort

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of demean what what went on, or you can't Rea

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eat and Blyton novel or whatever whatever those sorts of things. Now,

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so where do we you know, where do we rewrite history?

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Where do we say, well, that was totally unacceptable. Will

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that not rewriting history? You're just injecting the word respect

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into the way we go forward. But I did, actually,

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I do apologize.

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I did actually interrupt Peter then and I didn't let

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him finish what he's saying.

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I'm going to come back to Benny Hill, but petticip

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going please.

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Call me Benny Hill anyway. You'll be chasing me around the.

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Studio moment with music too. Yes, yes, exactly.

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Look, I think it's a social context issue as well.

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I mean, what we regard today as being acceptable or

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not acceptable. Obviously it was quite different fifty sixty years ago.

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And and I agree with you, Jackie. It's always a

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time period situation where women in particular have been subject

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to subject It's been less about women subjugating men. But nevertheless,

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it's a difficult situation to discuss because it's all about upbringing,

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it's parenting, it's about social context. It's about the advertisements

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that we see on television that propagate, for example, some

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of this attitude. It's about what happens in schools and

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how it's treated. There's so many issues in so many

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ways of looking at this and how to deal with it.

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And you're also right, Alex in saying that we can't

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just negate the past and history and.

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Challenge to I think Peter, you've made a really important

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point here the way that you are brought up by

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your parents in terms of respect, and that's your word, Jackie,

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and I totally agree with it. And also what's taught

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in schools, because it forms the foundation of will follow.

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So if you set the right example, I'd like to

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think that's going to have a positive effect. And we're

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talking about it more, which is really important. Having said

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all of that, I mean, maybe we were wrongly innocent

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or whatever, but there was a lot of joy that

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Betty Hill brought to households. That's the reason I've referenced that,

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and the fact that I grew up with the Secret

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Seven and the Famous Five and at the time I

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saw nothing wrong with that. So you know, what do

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you say about that, Jack Alex.

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I suppose you think it was okay to that if

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a woman was accused of being a witch back in

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the sixteenth century, that if she didn't drown, it was

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okay to burner at the stake. I mean, we're talking

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now with the benefit of hindsight. I thought Benny Hill

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was funny. Well, I'm sorry, but that's just not on now.

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It was It's simply not appropriate to even but.

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Hang on, that's exactly what I'm saying, that maybe I

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was naive or innocent or whatever, but no, you weren't.

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Not even innocent. You were wrong and what and the

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way that women have been treated has been wrong, And

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it's not just family and schools, it's also the law,

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the law allowed it, government allowed it. You know in Afghanistan, Now,

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what's happening with women there? It's it's been allowed, not

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by families and schools.

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No, but the Afghanistan situation is appalling any any I'm

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not advocating. The funny thing is I always and this

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is in our private conversations too, Jackie, I've always thought

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much more of women than I have thought of men.

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And no, you I know you do. I do. So

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in other words, I'm saying that you know, we're our

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base instincts as men are often neanderthal, and that needs

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to change.

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That, that needs to be the behavior that that is

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changing that.

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And that's what and that's why I'm so pleased that

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it's change. So it's very difficult because the moment you

442
00:28:02.920 --> 00:28:05.279
open your mouth as a male about this and you

443
00:28:05.359 --> 00:28:08.960
have any views that may be contrary to the acceptable

444
00:28:09.079 --> 00:28:12.680
views today, your hell down and I simply.

445
00:28:12.400 --> 00:28:14.720
Want I don't agree. I think you're mixing with the

446
00:28:14.759 --> 00:28:16.799
wrong people if you're being held down, Alex.

447
00:28:17.240 --> 00:28:20.920
Now I'm saying that. I mean, I'd like to think

448
00:28:20.960 --> 00:28:24.000
I was always respectful of women and the role that

449
00:28:24.000 --> 00:28:26.599
they played in society because I've always thought so much

450
00:28:26.599 --> 00:28:30.160
of women. But it's interesting how there has been a

451
00:28:30.240 --> 00:28:33.240
quantum shift as there needed to be. The Me Too

452
00:28:33.279 --> 00:28:36.319
movement has had a huge impact, as it should, and

453
00:28:36.359 --> 00:28:38.880
there's so much that's going on. I mean, you know,

454
00:28:39.119 --> 00:28:43.079
the latest allegations against a well known music star in

455
00:28:43.119 --> 00:28:46.119
the United States that have emerged over the last few days.

456
00:28:46.119 --> 00:28:48.000
It's chilling and it's horrifying.

457
00:28:48.599 --> 00:28:52.920
And one woman a week as dying in Australia being

458
00:28:53.000 --> 00:28:56.119
killed by a partner's and you know what they want

459
00:28:56.160 --> 00:28:58.519
to do. They want to set up safe times for women,

460
00:28:59.079 --> 00:29:01.960
but they're not changing men's behavior.

461
00:29:02.400 --> 00:29:05.440
It's not happening quickly enough because it needs absolutely not

462
00:29:06.359 --> 00:29:09.359
fair enough. All right, So let's let's now go back

463
00:29:09.400 --> 00:29:11.519
to the movie and let's talk about a score out

464
00:29:11.559 --> 00:29:13.599
of ten, and Jackie, I will ask you to divide it,

465
00:29:13.880 --> 00:29:16.559
because I really I think that this is one of

466
00:29:16.599 --> 00:29:20.359
those movies that I understand. So let's start with you, Peter.

467
00:29:20.960 --> 00:29:22.599
Are you're gonna give a whole score or you're gonna

468
00:29:22.599 --> 00:29:25.039
give a first two thirds And why don't you do

469
00:29:25.079 --> 00:29:27.200
the same first two thirds and last third?

470
00:29:27.880 --> 00:29:30.440
No, I review a whole film. I don't like to

471
00:29:30.640 --> 00:29:32.839
segment for a film.

472
00:29:33.160 --> 00:29:34.960
I didn't look for this one, but there you go

473
00:29:35.920 --> 00:29:38.759
the whole film, because I enjoyed it from start to finish.

474
00:29:38.920 --> 00:29:42.119
Now it enjoys the wrong word. I appreciated what the

475
00:29:42.119 --> 00:29:45.039
director was doing, so right, okay, thank you.

476
00:29:45.000 --> 00:29:47.839
Fair enough. I just wanted to mention one thing. At

477
00:29:47.880 --> 00:29:50.799
the start of the film with Demi Moore on that

478
00:29:50.920 --> 00:29:55.519
exercise video, I thought immediately that they were replicating the

479
00:29:55.640 --> 00:30:02.960
Jane Fonder exercise films or videos that she was part of,

480
00:30:03.079 --> 00:30:07.279
and I thought, it's this an homage to Jane Fonder.

481
00:30:07.359 --> 00:30:11.039
And then when we have the character of Sue, it

482
00:30:11.119 --> 00:30:15.079
immediately reminded me. And I know this dates me of

483
00:30:15.200 --> 00:30:17.880
Sue Becker. I don't know if you remember her when

484
00:30:17.920 --> 00:30:22.039
she used to on television, have those exercise videos and

485
00:30:22.079 --> 00:30:24.839
those no like saying, Jackie.

486
00:30:24.559 --> 00:30:25.440
Do you know Sue Becker?

487
00:30:25.960 --> 00:30:26.359
No?

488
00:30:26.359 --> 00:30:28.279
No, okay, oh my goodness?

489
00:30:28.400 --> 00:30:31.079
Oh that okay, well, all right, was that in the

490
00:30:31.079 --> 00:30:35.160
seventeenth century, Peter, Absolutely, I was there when was launched.

491
00:30:35.440 --> 00:30:35.759
I think.

492
00:30:39.119 --> 00:30:43.920
Okay, A score for the substance seven out of ten.

493
00:30:44.119 --> 00:30:46.960
Mm hmm, all right, Jackie, are you splitting it two

494
00:30:46.960 --> 00:30:47.839
thirds one third or not?

495
00:30:48.559 --> 00:30:50.359
I was just going to say comment on what Peter

496
00:30:50.599 --> 00:30:53.960
just said, then, I really was really interested in the

497
00:30:54.000 --> 00:30:57.119
shift from the I thought the first part with Demi

498
00:30:57.119 --> 00:30:59.920
Moore was the more of the exercise and health rate

499
00:31:00.440 --> 00:31:04.960
of the aerobics class she was taking. And then when Sue,

500
00:31:05.279 --> 00:31:09.319
the younger version of herself, was doing videos, it was

501
00:31:09.440 --> 00:31:13.920
just full on sexualized ye. And I thought that was

502
00:31:13.960 --> 00:31:16.480
the big divide and that showed up the film and

503
00:31:16.519 --> 00:31:20.559
how wonderful that this film actually has brought up discussion

504
00:31:20.680 --> 00:31:23.759
such of this as this. However, it was the first

505
00:31:24.440 --> 00:31:27.359
half of the film that brings up the discussion, and

506
00:31:27.559 --> 00:31:31.839
the final bit you just could have just lost. I

507
00:31:32.000 --> 00:31:35.240
just gave it a single score, six point five out

508
00:31:35.240 --> 00:31:37.119
of ten, six and a half out of ten.

509
00:31:37.880 --> 00:31:40.599
Okay, So, having heard that, what do you think I'm

510
00:31:40.599 --> 00:31:41.160
going to give it?

511
00:31:41.240 --> 00:31:44.200
Jacking, Oh, probably an eight to eight and a half.

512
00:31:44.960 --> 00:31:48.000
Peter, what do you think I'm giving Yeah, you'll probably

513
00:31:48.039 --> 00:31:49.880
give it an eight eight.

514
00:31:49.720 --> 00:31:53.640
And a half. Great movie. Great movie must be seen,

515
00:31:54.200 --> 00:31:59.319
one with a warning of being r rated. Yes again, yeah, absolutely,

516
00:31:59.680 --> 00:32:03.880
you're or you're moving into territory that is not going

517
00:32:03.920 --> 00:32:06.119
to be everybody's cup of tea. I accept it. But

518
00:32:06.200 --> 00:32:08.640
it's a movie that should be seen for the reasons.

519
00:32:08.640 --> 00:32:10.079
That doesn't need to be a cup of tea. It's

520
00:32:10.160 --> 00:32:11.480
just you need a strong stomach.

521
00:32:11.559 --> 00:32:15.440
I'd play yes, yes too, okay, and a BECKX and

522
00:32:15.480 --> 00:32:17.799
the lie down, thank you very much? Okay, and having

523
00:32:17.920 --> 00:32:21.240
seen it all right, well, okay, you are on JA

524
00:32:21.319 --> 00:32:24.880
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525
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527
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528
00:32:33.319 --> 00:32:36.680
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529
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530
00:32:39.759 --> 00:32:43.519
but hopefully some healthy and intelligent programming twenty four to

531
00:32:43.519 --> 00:32:47.400
seven and some pretty good music as well. On that note,

532
00:32:47.480 --> 00:32:51.119
we should be talking about some again. A movie that

533
00:32:51.359 --> 00:32:55.240
really surprised me in terms of how charming it was.

534
00:32:55.880 --> 00:33:00.200
And it's my like, sure, no, I won't call there's

535
00:33:00.200 --> 00:33:03.000
a children's feature. I'll call this a family movie of

536
00:33:03.039 --> 00:33:07.000
the year. The Wild Robot. Oh my golly, what a

537
00:33:07.119 --> 00:33:10.640
film it's now you can correct me, both of you.

538
00:33:10.720 --> 00:33:13.839
It is PG raised and it runs rather than two minutes.

539
00:33:13.880 --> 00:33:18.160
Any disagreement there, no, okay, So take a New York

540
00:33:18.200 --> 00:33:23.720
Times bestseller, turn it into this charming family film face

541
00:33:23.759 --> 00:33:28.119
a cake hardly and yet that is the outcome of

542
00:33:28.160 --> 00:33:31.839
the delightful experience that is the cinematic take on the

543
00:33:31.839 --> 00:33:36.119
wild Robot, and the body is named Rossom Unit seven

544
00:33:36.359 --> 00:33:42.400
one three four Rosam spelled ro double zum and Rosam

545
00:33:42.440 --> 00:33:48.119
has been taught to complete tasks. Or she I think

546
00:33:48.119 --> 00:33:50.000
it is is shipwrecked. I don't know whether it's a

547
00:33:50.000 --> 00:33:52.039
she or a he, but we'll call it a she.

548
00:33:52.039 --> 00:33:57.160
She She is shipwrecked on an uninhabited island and is

549
00:33:57.200 --> 00:34:02.799
awakened in Inverted Commas by animal activity. Now Roz looks

550
00:34:02.839 --> 00:34:06.000
out for somebody to ask her, ask her, I'll try

551
00:34:06.039 --> 00:34:08.800
that again, looks out for somebody to ask her to

552
00:34:08.880 --> 00:34:11.840
do something, and instead all of the animals on the island,

553
00:34:11.880 --> 00:34:17.280
and there's a veritable Noah's Ark runs scared and regard

554
00:34:17.320 --> 00:34:21.960
the robot as a freak. Now, when Unit seven one

555
00:34:22.079 --> 00:34:26.039
three four fails to find a master again in Inverted Commas,

556
00:34:26.760 --> 00:34:30.880
she's obliged to return home for reassignment, but that too

557
00:34:31.000 --> 00:34:36.480
proves problematic. In a wild chase to escape a formidable

558
00:34:36.599 --> 00:34:41.320
grizzly bear named Thorn, Roz has an accident from which

559
00:34:41.360 --> 00:34:45.360
he emerges literally holding a baby, and in this case

560
00:34:45.480 --> 00:34:49.599
that's an egg being tracked by a wiley fox named Fink.

561
00:34:50.280 --> 00:34:54.280
We'd love nothing more than to devour said egg, but

562
00:34:54.440 --> 00:34:59.320
Roz keeps it safe and sees it hatch. Inside is

563
00:34:59.360 --> 00:35:03.880
an orphan gosling, the runt of the litter, named bright Bill,

564
00:35:04.440 --> 00:35:07.960
who believes Roz is her mother. And so it is

565
00:35:07.960 --> 00:35:11.960
that Ros's tasked with raising her. No easy feat from

566
00:35:12.039 --> 00:35:18.280
machine not programmed to handle such things, with unlikely assistance

567
00:35:18.320 --> 00:35:23.639
from Fink. Remember, Fink is the wiley fox. Roz tentatively

568
00:35:23.719 --> 00:35:28.199
begins the task, making several missteps along the way. She

569
00:35:28.320 --> 00:35:31.760
hits a major roadblock when bright Bill discovers what happened

570
00:35:31.760 --> 00:35:35.639
to the rest of her family. Roz can only hope

571
00:35:35.639 --> 00:35:38.719
that with her good heart, she'll find favor again with

572
00:35:38.840 --> 00:35:41.599
bright Bill and break down the barriers that exist for

573
00:35:41.679 --> 00:35:46.480
both bright Bill and herself. So I reckon this is

574
00:35:46.519 --> 00:35:49.199
the finest and best animated feature I've seen in quite

575
00:35:49.199 --> 00:35:53.039
some time. It has such warmth, It's got great humor

576
00:35:53.079 --> 00:35:56.320
and heart, and above all, it's fun. But what shouldn't

577
00:35:56.320 --> 00:35:58.519
be overlooked is that it contains a fair share of

578
00:35:58.599 --> 00:36:02.199
drama as well. I thought the animation was magnificent. I

579
00:36:02.199 --> 00:36:04.159
found it so easy to connect with and relate to

580
00:36:04.199 --> 00:36:07.440
the characters. Credit to all the artists associated with the production.

581
00:36:07.840 --> 00:36:09.800
Of course, it all starts with a writing which I

582
00:36:09.880 --> 00:36:13.559
found it was really top shelf. It's the character's personalities

583
00:36:13.599 --> 00:36:16.320
that elevate the spectacle, and here we come to the

584
00:36:16.360 --> 00:36:19.760
voice talent, which brings that to the fore right. The

585
00:36:19.880 --> 00:36:23.480
whole the personality of the characters is very much about

586
00:36:23.480 --> 00:36:26.960
the talent. LaPete Jongo presents Ross as being on a

587
00:36:27.000 --> 00:36:30.480
steep learning curve that steps far outside the domain of

588
00:36:30.519 --> 00:36:35.760
a traditional bot, and basically she goes rogue. Pedro Pascal

589
00:36:35.920 --> 00:36:40.000
ensures that the lonely Fink develops other than a mercenary side,

590
00:36:40.840 --> 00:36:45.119
as mother possum pink Tail Katherine o'haro was in Beetlejuice.

591
00:36:45.119 --> 00:36:49.960
Beetle Jose is the ultimate pragmatist. Kit connoch Well sees

592
00:36:50.000 --> 00:36:53.320
bright Bell overcomes huge adversity to find her own voice,

593
00:36:53.519 --> 00:36:56.559
and you've got Mark Hamill from Star Wars powerful as

594
00:36:56.599 --> 00:37:01.719
the island's apex predator. Sorn a fierce determination about Matt

595
00:37:01.760 --> 00:37:05.320
Berry as a grumpy and reclusive beaver. Loved the beaver

596
00:37:06.159 --> 00:37:09.719
Ving Raimes takes command as a flight instructor named Thunderbolt,

597
00:37:09.760 --> 00:37:13.880
who's a predatory falcon in this movie The Wild Robot.

598
00:37:14.400 --> 00:37:16.960
And there are words of wisdom from the oldest and

599
00:37:17.440 --> 00:37:21.639
wisest of the geese named long Neck, the voice of

600
00:37:21.800 --> 00:37:25.400
a very distinctive Bill Nigh. You always know it's Bill

601
00:37:25.480 --> 00:37:28.079
whenever his voice is heard, or when he appears in

602
00:37:28.119 --> 00:37:32.039
a picture. And The illustrated novel The Wild Robot was

603
00:37:32.039 --> 00:37:36.840
originally by Peter Brown, published in twenty sixteen. Twenty sixteen

604
00:37:37.039 --> 00:37:40.639
became a huge hit. The movie adaptation deserves to as well.

605
00:37:40.719 --> 00:37:43.039
There's so much to it, so many adventures to be had.

606
00:37:43.320 --> 00:37:45.679
Not a dull moment. I thought The Wild Robot was

607
00:37:45.719 --> 00:37:47.719
a cracker. What did you think, Jack?

608
00:37:48.840 --> 00:37:51.760
Why? Yes, I like The Wild Robot Alex. Lots of

609
00:37:51.840 --> 00:37:56.320
humor and lots of action plenty to kick the children

610
00:37:56.639 --> 00:38:01.760
and adults occupied and entertained. As you said, very good writing.

611
00:38:02.159 --> 00:38:05.559
Lots of nice themes in there, of belonging and family

612
00:38:05.679 --> 00:38:08.239
and learning to get along and working as a team.

613
00:38:08.400 --> 00:38:14.920
And a few slightly rawer themes too, of the instincts

614
00:38:14.960 --> 00:38:18.119
of natural predators. They certainly didn't shy away from.

615
00:38:18.599 --> 00:38:20.400
No eats who.

616
00:38:21.599 --> 00:38:25.440
And if we're talking of natural instincts, there's the maternal

617
00:38:25.480 --> 00:38:31.079
instinct that roars. The robot develops if you like, she

618
00:38:31.159 --> 00:38:34.079
wants to just serve to start with, as she is

619
00:38:34.119 --> 00:38:40.039
a robot, but she actually becomes a softer character and

620
00:38:40.079 --> 00:38:45.239
a warmer character as she develops a bond with the

621
00:38:45.360 --> 00:38:49.079
little gosling. And you know that's the maternal instinct kicking

622
00:38:49.079 --> 00:38:54.599
in there. Yes, I mean the animation was just spectacular.

623
00:38:54.679 --> 00:38:59.920
It's just beautiful work, you know, the anime, the animation

624
00:39:00.280 --> 00:39:03.280
through water and through air and flight, and.

625
00:39:03.559 --> 00:39:06.599
The lowly nests, you know, the nest of that, that

626
00:39:06.679 --> 00:39:12.320
the beautiful green grass. I mean that that was just extraordinary.

627
00:39:12.639 --> 00:39:17.079
It was like a cloud. I just thought, Jackie, I'm

628
00:39:17.800 --> 00:39:19.800
I just don't know how they how they do it.

629
00:39:19.920 --> 00:39:24.760
Quite frankly, I was mesmerized. I agree with you. But

630
00:39:24.760 --> 00:39:26.559
but m hmm.

631
00:39:28.280 --> 00:39:32.199
I did find it even though the dialogue and is

632
00:39:33.920 --> 00:39:37.559
very it's great, it's very entertaining, it's actually quite sharp.

633
00:39:39.079 --> 00:39:43.400
I did find it kept throwing out these kind of platitudes,

634
00:39:44.159 --> 00:39:48.440
you know, all these kind of smooth lines about so

635
00:39:48.599 --> 00:39:51.320
I mean maybe because that brought it down to the

636
00:39:51.400 --> 00:39:54.119
kid level. I didn't think they always needed to say

637
00:39:54.199 --> 00:39:59.360
that I was showing it anyway, So on the second

638
00:39:59.400 --> 00:40:04.000
butt and you had that. Funnily enough, as for the substance,

639
00:40:04.920 --> 00:40:08.480
the end of the film becomes a Hollywood shoot him up,

640
00:40:08.760 --> 00:40:15.639
violent guns blazing, you know, robotic characters trying to do evil,

641
00:40:16.159 --> 00:40:20.719
and it just changed the whole tenor, whole feeling, the

642
00:40:20.760 --> 00:40:25.280
whole tenor. And I just didn't think it needed that.

643
00:40:26.159 --> 00:40:28.440
It could have been done in a slightly different way.

644
00:40:29.400 --> 00:40:31.760
I just thought it was you have done it?

645
00:40:31.840 --> 00:40:32.679
How would you have done it?

646
00:40:32.760 --> 00:40:34.400
I don't know how I would have done it. I'm

647
00:40:34.440 --> 00:40:38.559
not a filmmaker really, but to me, it just it

648
00:40:38.760 --> 00:40:42.239
just this shift at the end just kind of brought

649
00:40:42.280 --> 00:40:46.000
a kind of a nasty taste to it, and I

650
00:40:46.159 --> 00:40:48.760
just wanted it to be the beautiful thing it started

651
00:40:48.800 --> 00:40:51.719
off for the first two thirds of the film.

652
00:40:52.000 --> 00:40:54.000
Wow, so we've had two movies that you like the

653
00:40:54.039 --> 00:40:56.719
first two thirds and not the last third. All right,

654
00:40:56.760 --> 00:41:00.639
what if the house would repair to you, Peter, the ending,

655
00:41:00.719 --> 00:41:01.519
Let's start there.

656
00:41:02.559 --> 00:41:05.400
Actually I did because I thought it was an interesting

657
00:41:05.440 --> 00:41:12.320
approach to robots or artificial intelligence dealing with sentient beings,

658
00:41:12.719 --> 00:41:16.280
and how the two would in animated form, of course,

659
00:41:16.880 --> 00:41:20.119
and how the two would interact, and I thought that

660
00:41:20.679 --> 00:41:26.280
confrontation or that situation was an interesting one which kids

661
00:41:26.360 --> 00:41:30.199
might want to then discuss after viewing the film. And

662
00:41:30.239 --> 00:41:34.480
this whole notion of can artificial intelligence help us or

663
00:41:34.599 --> 00:41:37.639
hinder us? And I think in animated form because of

664
00:41:37.679 --> 00:41:43.559
the good writing in this animation from DreamWorks worked so

665
00:41:43.760 --> 00:41:48.280
well for me. It was quite effective. I was worried

666
00:41:48.280 --> 00:41:51.199
that it might get a little bit too sentimental, but

667
00:41:51.360 --> 00:41:56.239
it just held back from doing that and in fact

668
00:41:56.320 --> 00:42:00.079
told a good story. In fact, it matched for me

669
00:42:00.639 --> 00:42:05.119
the film Robot Dreams, which was another superb film about

670
00:42:05.119 --> 00:42:09.519
a robot, although obviously a different story, different approach, but

671
00:42:10.400 --> 00:42:15.000
nevertheless had a message to say about the way robots

672
00:42:15.039 --> 00:42:20.360
can interact with humans or with Centian beans. Anyway, it all.

673
00:42:20.280 --> 00:42:22.840
Start with Will Smith. What was the movie that he

674
00:42:22.960 --> 00:42:26.639
made about robots? I've gone blank on its name? Anyway,

675
00:42:26.760 --> 00:42:27.400
keep going.

676
00:42:29.039 --> 00:42:30.880
And not I am legend or something like that.

677
00:42:32.920 --> 00:42:34.199
You keep talking among yourselves.

678
00:42:34.960 --> 00:42:39.159
That's okay anyway. Now, I really liked World Robot. Great

679
00:42:39.719 --> 00:42:43.559
voice cast as always, although for me, the voice cast

680
00:42:43.880 --> 00:42:47.880
is secondary to the writing, and it's the writing that

681
00:42:48.039 --> 00:42:52.039
really gets you in. And the animation is just superbly

682
00:42:52.119 --> 00:42:57.119
controlled I think what they're developing in the technical skills

683
00:42:58.079 --> 00:43:03.159
in digital filmmaking, especially now with animation, is that the

684
00:43:03.159 --> 00:43:07.679
look of a film is just absolutely terrific. I mean,

685
00:43:07.719 --> 00:43:11.400
we saw it with Inside Out two, which is also

686
00:43:11.480 --> 00:43:18.320
an excellent animation, and with other recent animations, so I

687
00:43:18.360 --> 00:43:21.280
was very impressed by it. I really enjoyed it. And

688
00:43:21.400 --> 00:43:25.719
it's a film for both young and old and has

689
00:43:25.760 --> 00:43:29.079
some nice messages I thought overall as well.

690
00:43:29.840 --> 00:43:32.880
Now I Robot of course that goes back to town. Yeah, yeah,

691
00:43:32.920 --> 00:43:36.199
two thousand and four. Okay, So Jackie, you're going to

692
00:43:36.199 --> 00:43:38.559
give it a lower score than presumably given that you

693
00:43:38.599 --> 00:43:39.599
didn't like the last third.

694
00:43:42.360 --> 00:43:45.360
I guess I don't know a lower score than yes.

695
00:43:45.320 --> 00:43:48.679
Yes, yes, I will. It will be much lower than

696
00:43:48.719 --> 00:43:49.400
me okay.

697
00:43:50.119 --> 00:43:52.559
And I would preface it by saying, Alex, if this

698
00:43:52.679 --> 00:43:56.480
is going to be one of your top children's slash

699
00:43:56.519 --> 00:44:00.519
family films of the year, I thoroughly reckon mean that

700
00:44:00.559 --> 00:44:04.599
you're not miss seeing Runket, which for me, the Australian

701
00:44:04.639 --> 00:44:11.480
live action children slush family film, is far superior. So

702
00:44:11.719 --> 00:44:13.599
allough it's a different kind of film, it's superior. I

703
00:44:13.599 --> 00:44:15.719
gave The Wild Robots seven and a half out of ten.

704
00:44:16.119 --> 00:44:18.599
Okay, that's still a very good score. And what about you, Peter.

705
00:44:18.920 --> 00:44:22.000
I agree with you, Jackie. Runt is definitely worth seeing.

706
00:44:22.079 --> 00:44:25.639
It's a very enjoyable Australian films, sort of modeled on

707
00:44:25.679 --> 00:44:29.400
strictly ballroom I thought. But anyway, that's another story.

708
00:44:29.559 --> 00:44:32.679
I'm trying to see that, Peter. Yeap oh, yeah, yes,

709
00:44:32.760 --> 00:44:33.440
I see what you mean.

710
00:44:33.840 --> 00:44:39.559
Yeah, with Matt Day over the top eating the scenery anyway, anyway, Yes,

711
00:44:40.000 --> 00:44:43.599
for Wild Robot, I gave it eight out of ten.

712
00:44:43.760 --> 00:44:45.559
And I gave it eight and a half out of ten,

713
00:44:45.679 --> 00:44:47.760
So folks, there you go. This has to be on

714
00:44:47.800 --> 00:44:50.519
the menu. That's what we're basically saying, because it's an

715
00:44:50.519 --> 00:44:53.679
average score of eight out of ten, which is pretty

716
00:44:53.719 --> 00:44:57.679
damn good. So okay, now, Jackie, you haven't seen the

717
00:44:57.760 --> 00:45:02.360
last film that we're going to discuss today, but well

718
00:45:02.800 --> 00:45:06.719
it's Do you remember when Spider Man transposed and went

719
00:45:06.800 --> 00:45:11.639
from being a live action bird lordy? Yes? I do.

720
00:45:12.639 --> 00:45:14.519
Oh you didn't like that, Jackie?

721
00:45:15.239 --> 00:45:15.320
Not?

722
00:45:16.280 --> 00:45:17.960
Did you like it? Peter? I?

723
00:45:18.079 --> 00:45:20.920
Actually I did. I thought that animation of Spider Man

724
00:45:21.119 --> 00:45:24.079
was a well written story with good characters.

725
00:45:24.400 --> 00:45:27.159
Yes, I thought it was amazing. And now what we

726
00:45:27.280 --> 00:45:32.039
have alongside one another. You've got the live version of

727
00:45:32.119 --> 00:45:34.920
Spider Man and you've got the animated version, and that's

728
00:45:34.960 --> 00:45:38.119
what they seem to be wanting to do with transform Its.

729
00:45:38.159 --> 00:45:42.440
That's why we're going to talk about Transformers one, which, again,

730
00:45:42.480 --> 00:45:44.639
to the best of my knowledge, is PG rated and

731
00:45:44.719 --> 00:45:47.360
runs for one hundred and four minutes. And boy, there's

732
00:45:47.360 --> 00:45:49.840
a lot there. I mean, it's a high octane adventure

733
00:45:50.280 --> 00:45:55.320
with so many twists and turns, extremely well realized, and

734
00:45:56.039 --> 00:45:59.119
you know, it's it's this sort of untold origin story

735
00:45:59.159 --> 00:46:03.440
of sworn enemies. So I think it sits comfortably alongside

736
00:46:03.480 --> 00:46:07.320
the pantheon of Transformers movies. I didn't actually look this up.

737
00:46:07.360 --> 00:46:10.000
Do either of you know how many Transformers movies there

738
00:46:10.000 --> 00:46:10.440
have been?

739
00:46:11.920 --> 00:46:14.199
I think it was eight I read somewhere.

740
00:46:14.440 --> 00:46:18.159
Okay, so think it's three too many. I've been linked

741
00:46:18.599 --> 00:46:21.760
men and Jackie. Yes, are you still? Are you still

742
00:46:21.840 --> 00:46:24.280
yearning for more Police Academy movies? Jackie? Are you.

743
00:46:26.519 --> 00:46:30.440
Good? One? I actually quite liked the I actually really

744
00:46:30.559 --> 00:46:34.079
liked the first couple of Transformer films are terrific.

745
00:46:34.440 --> 00:46:37.599
Yeah, I agree, I do. Yeah, I mean the difficulty

746
00:46:37.639 --> 00:46:39.440
is when they're a license to print money. They keep

747
00:46:39.480 --> 00:46:42.119
doing it and then they you know, they go far,

748
00:46:42.320 --> 00:46:43.800
far beyond where they should.

749
00:46:44.599 --> 00:46:47.320
I suppose the film has never been a charity. It's

750
00:46:47.360 --> 00:46:47.880
a business.

751
00:46:48.320 --> 00:46:51.320
No, that's fair enough. I suppose James Bond is an

752
00:46:51.320 --> 00:46:54.480
interesting one because that's why there are so many years

753
00:46:54.480 --> 00:46:58.519
between James Bond movies. This you're long for the next one,

754
00:46:58.559 --> 00:47:01.760
and I don't think see I find this fascinating. I

755
00:47:01.760 --> 00:47:03.719
don't think James Bond is in any way worn out.

756
00:47:03.760 --> 00:47:07.320
It's welcome. Why has it lasted longer than almost any

757
00:47:07.320 --> 00:47:10.199
other franchise I can think of? Do you have an answer, Peter.

758
00:47:11.239 --> 00:47:14.239
It's because of the money and production that goes into

759
00:47:14.599 --> 00:47:19.679
the writing and what we see on screen. It's obviously

760
00:47:19.760 --> 00:47:21.920
a franchise that works really well.

761
00:47:22.039 --> 00:47:25.519
Spy films oh very well, very well indeed. But even

762
00:47:25.599 --> 00:47:27.920
I like Borne Identity and Vorn whatever that's you know,

763
00:47:28.440 --> 00:47:31.320
you've got three or whatever you've got and then it stops.

764
00:47:31.360 --> 00:47:34.719
But James Bond keeps on giving, doesn't it. Anyway. Let's

765
00:47:34.719 --> 00:47:38.599
go back to Transformers. One. Optimus Prime you might know

766
00:47:38.760 --> 00:47:42.880
that name, is the supreme leader of the heroic autobots,

767
00:47:42.920 --> 00:47:48.079
and Megatron is the diabolical commander of the Decepticons. So

768
00:47:48.119 --> 00:47:51.920
you've got autobots and you've got bots and Decepticons. The

769
00:47:51.960 --> 00:47:56.000
pair was once friends, but then the dynamic between them

770
00:47:56.039 --> 00:47:59.079
shifted with the fate of their home planet, which is

771
00:47:59.119 --> 00:48:04.599
called High Patrol in the Balance Cybertron. So the story

772
00:48:04.639 --> 00:48:10.119
focuses on this ambitious, adventurous mining bot called Orion Pax,

773
00:48:10.639 --> 00:48:13.360
who dreams of a better life than working in the

774
00:48:13.400 --> 00:48:17.320
subterranean Icon City, and he never sees the light of day.

775
00:48:17.639 --> 00:48:20.440
All this time is spent mining a precious energy source

776
00:48:20.480 --> 00:48:25.280
called enerjohn, supplies of which are dwindling. The original priors

777
00:48:25.280 --> 00:48:28.960
have been slaughtered in this war with and again all

778
00:48:28.960 --> 00:48:30.719
of this is only going to mean something to those

779
00:48:30.760 --> 00:48:33.599
people who know the Transformers universe. But in a war

780
00:48:33.639 --> 00:48:37.199
with the ruthless Quinter says, how do you pronounce that,

781
00:48:37.239 --> 00:48:42.079
Peter Quintessence, who are now the rulers, And Orion Pax

782
00:48:42.159 --> 00:48:45.039
doesn't have any cogs, so he can't actually transform. That's

783
00:48:45.039 --> 00:48:48.480
a problem. Therefore, his chances of rising above his lowly

784
00:48:48.559 --> 00:48:51.360
station are remote, to say the least, and yet he

785
00:48:51.480 --> 00:48:54.760
is driven to succeed even when the odds are stacked

786
00:48:54.760 --> 00:48:57.840
against him, and the tail takes off. From there after,

787
00:48:57.840 --> 00:49:00.760
he finds a way to travel to the forbid surface,

788
00:49:01.239 --> 00:49:05.679
dragging his mate D sixteen with him, and at stake

789
00:49:05.920 --> 00:49:10.000
is what's termed the long Lost Matrix of Leadership. So

790
00:49:10.280 --> 00:49:12.679
Orion Pax isn't the most popular bot in the stable.

791
00:49:12.840 --> 00:49:15.400
In fact, he's made to be quite a nuisance. He

792
00:49:15.639 --> 00:49:21.000
regularly disobeys orders, and yet his unconventional character is what

793
00:49:21.039 --> 00:49:24.760
propels him to do what he does. I was really

794
00:49:24.760 --> 00:49:28.800
impressed by the heft that the director Josh Cooley managed

795
00:49:28.840 --> 00:49:33.000
to imbue into his reboot of the Transformers franchise. It's

796
00:49:33.039 --> 00:49:35.599
got emotional residence. And I mean, let's not forget that

797
00:49:35.679 --> 00:49:39.199
Cooley won the Best Animated Feature OSCAR for Toy Story four.

798
00:49:39.599 --> 00:49:42.119
So the pedigree is strong. And I thought that was

799
00:49:42.119 --> 00:49:43.599
the worst of the Toy Stories. I'm going to say,

800
00:49:43.599 --> 00:49:46.039
but there you go. Not that it was bad, but

801
00:49:46.079 --> 00:49:49.480
the other three were brilliant. In this case, credit must

802
00:49:49.519 --> 00:49:52.519
also go to the three writers. They've done a great job.

803
00:49:52.679 --> 00:49:56.079
Andrew Barrow, Gabrielle Ferrari and Eric Pearson, and the first

804
00:49:56.119 --> 00:49:58.960
two collaborated on Ant Man and the Wasp, and Pearson

805
00:49:59.039 --> 00:50:02.239
is noted for his work on the Ragnarok so it

806
00:50:02.280 --> 00:50:05.880
turns out to be a mighty compelling film. I reckon Transformers,

807
00:50:05.920 --> 00:50:08.199
one at the core of which is a great deal

808
00:50:08.199 --> 00:50:11.880
of subterfuge because loyalty is are tested and given how

809
00:50:11.960 --> 00:50:14.800
much takes place and at a rapid rate, you do

810
00:50:14.960 --> 00:50:16.960
need to concentrate to get the most out of it.

811
00:50:17.679 --> 00:50:19.840
But if you do, I think the rewards are there.

812
00:50:20.119 --> 00:50:24.400
Animation is outstanding, the computer artistry is next level, and

813
00:50:24.440 --> 00:50:26.599
the personalities again of the players come to the fore.

814
00:50:26.639 --> 00:50:30.280
They give the narrative depth and it marks yet another

815
00:50:30.320 --> 00:50:35.480
winner for somebody you like Jackie Chris Hemsworth, who steps

816
00:50:35.519 --> 00:50:38.960
into voice orion packs. There's a sort of relaxedy reverence

817
00:50:38.960 --> 00:50:42.159
about him. It's a really fun portrayal. Sees the character

818
00:50:42.239 --> 00:50:44.840
evolve into a force to be reckoned with and the

819
00:50:44.880 --> 00:50:53.000
Nemethys Nemethys nemesis. Ryan PAX's antithesis is his rule following friend,

820
00:50:53.039 --> 00:50:55.559
his brother in arms, who always says his back. That's

821
00:50:55.639 --> 00:51:00.519
D sixteen voiced by Brian Terre Henry, and while the

822
00:51:00.559 --> 00:51:03.119
pair does sometimes rub each other up the wrong way,

823
00:51:03.840 --> 00:51:06.000
their bond is is still deep. And what I liked

824
00:51:06.000 --> 00:51:09.000
about Brian Terrey Henry was the way he transitions D

825
00:51:09.159 --> 00:51:13.039
sixteen in this movie and also starring in the way

826
00:51:13.079 --> 00:51:15.480
of Ryan Pax. At first is is buy the book

827
00:51:15.519 --> 00:51:21.800
manager Elita one vocalized by Scarlett Joanson. Now, at first

828
00:51:21.920 --> 00:51:25.639
she's ready to turn him in for his seemingly seeming

829
00:51:25.719 --> 00:51:28.679
inability to do the right thing, but in time she

830
00:51:28.800 --> 00:51:32.320
does see another side of him, and Johansen, well, she's

831
00:51:32.360 --> 00:51:35.280
really good at what she does. She readily channels annoyance

832
00:51:35.400 --> 00:51:40.960
and respect. So it's not only action driven, it's quite humorous. Transformers.

833
00:51:41.000 --> 00:51:43.239
One part of that stude of the performance of Keegan

834
00:51:43.320 --> 00:51:47.880
Michael Key has banished. But B one two seven aka

835
00:51:48.079 --> 00:51:51.159
Bumblebee again, you know Transformers, that's going to mean something

836
00:51:51.599 --> 00:51:54.199
and so it's a cleverly conceived and executed film. Left

837
00:51:54.239 --> 00:51:56.159
me longing for the next installment.

838
00:51:56.199 --> 00:51:59.639
What about you bet not for me, I'm afraid I

839
00:52:00.199 --> 00:52:05.480
was never impressed by the live action Transformers films, especially

840
00:52:05.559 --> 00:52:08.960
because they were a franchise just to promote the toys

841
00:52:09.440 --> 00:52:12.280
so that children can go and buy the toys and

842
00:52:12.719 --> 00:52:13.559
play around.

843
00:52:13.960 --> 00:52:18.920
The Transformers toys. Beata, it's like the modern Barbie. No

844
00:52:19.039 --> 00:52:20.119
it's not, but there you go.

845
00:52:21.000 --> 00:52:23.239
Now there's a comparison that I think jack.

846
00:52:24.639 --> 00:52:26.719
I reckon, people are going to be buying Transformers for

847
00:52:26.800 --> 00:52:29.400
decades to come, and Barbie has been how many years

848
00:52:29.440 --> 00:52:31.280
has Barbie been? Around sixty five or something.

849
00:52:32.480 --> 00:52:34.960
I think there's a bit more depth in Barbie than

850
00:52:35.000 --> 00:52:38.519
there is in the Transformers. Characters play a five one another.

851
00:52:38.719 --> 00:52:43.119
We're talking body image now, Jackie. Barbie has got an

852
00:52:43.199 --> 00:52:46.559
unrealistic body image when she started, you know, sixty five

853
00:52:46.639 --> 00:52:49.599
years ago. You know, what do you have to say

854
00:52:49.599 --> 00:52:49.920
about that?

855
00:52:50.039 --> 00:52:51.119
Uh?

856
00:52:51.360 --> 00:52:57.800
Well, she should have taken the substance anyway. Anyway, for me,

857
00:52:58.639 --> 00:53:04.079
in nineteen eighty six, the first transform As animation was made,

858
00:53:04.239 --> 00:53:07.519
and I thought that set the scene reasonably well. But

859
00:53:07.559 --> 00:53:10.559
the live action films don't work for me at all.

860
00:53:10.599 --> 00:53:15.000
And this new animation is marginally better than that first animation,

861
00:53:15.559 --> 00:53:19.880
and definitely better than the live action films. But for me,

862
00:53:20.400 --> 00:53:23.679
they don't tell an interesting enough story. And I didn't

863
00:53:23.719 --> 00:53:29.039
think the writing was that terrific. It was more about

864
00:53:29.079 --> 00:53:36.440
confrontation and about loss of ability, loss of consciousness, loss

865
00:53:36.440 --> 00:53:40.320
of conscience, loss of a whole range of things that

866
00:53:40.480 --> 00:53:43.840
have to be dealt with over a long period of time. Yes,

867
00:53:43.880 --> 00:53:47.679
the animation is good. It's a good looking film, but

868
00:53:48.400 --> 00:53:50.559
I didn't think there was much of a story there

869
00:53:50.599 --> 00:53:52.800
to begin with, So I'm afraid I'm not a great

870
00:53:53.000 --> 00:53:57.840
fan at all. Out of ten, I just gave it

871
00:53:57.920 --> 00:53:59.000
five out of ten.

872
00:53:59.400 --> 00:54:00.960
And you're not going to believe this. I gave it

873
00:54:01.000 --> 00:54:02.960
eight and a half. I've had three to eight to nine.

874
00:54:03.760 --> 00:54:06.400
I loved it. I thought it was terrific. So on

875
00:54:06.400 --> 00:54:09.639
that note, it has been most enjoyable to have your company,

876
00:54:09.679 --> 00:54:12.639
Peter Kraus and Jackie Hamerton, and we will do it

877
00:54:12.679 --> 00:54:16.400
all again next week on First on Film and Entertainment.

878
00:54:16.559 --> 00:54:19.159
Be kind to one another, don't wolf whistle too much,

879
00:54:19.440 --> 00:54:22.559
and be respectful. That is obviously the message of today,

880
00:54:22.800 --> 00:54:24.800
and I don't mean that in a tweeway at all.

881
00:54:24.960 --> 00:54:28.039
I meet it sincerely, folks, thank you very much, and

882
00:54:28.480 --> 00:54:30.719
we will speak to you again very soon.