Oct. 27, 2024

S03E21: Ghost Light: A Family's Tragic Tale and The Healing Power of Theatre

S03E21: Ghost Light: A Family's Tragic Tale and The Healing Power of Theatre

**Host:** Alex First
**Guest Critics:** Greg King, Peter Krause, Jaqui Hammerton
**Episode Summary:**
In this episode of First on Film & Entertainment, Alex First, Greg King, Peter Krause, and Jaqui Hammerton explore the nuances of recent...

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Season 3

**Host:** Alex First
**Guest Critics:** Greg King, Peter Krause, Jaqui Hammerton
**Episode Summary:**
In this episode of First on Film & Entertainment, Alex First, Greg King, Peter Krause, and Jaqui Hammerton explore the nuances of recent cinematic releases. The discussion opens with a deep dive into the emotionally charged film *Ghost Light*, a tale of love, loss, and the healing power of community theatre. The critics commend the authentic performances of the real-life family cast and the film's ability to balance humour with poignant themes of grief and redemption. Alex praises the film's unique approach and the cathartic journey it offers to its characters and audience alike. The conversation transitions to the biographical drama *Lee*, starring Kate Winslet as the formidable war photographer Lee Spitler. The critics debate the effectiveness of the film's narrative structure, with Greg and Jaqui expressing reservations about its framing device. Despite differing opinions, all agree on Winslet's compelling portrayal of Miller as a resilient and complex figure. Peter appreciates the film's historical authenticity and the powerful recreation of Miller's iconic photographs. The episode also highlights Adam Elliot's *Memoir of a Snail*, a stop-motion animation that captivates with its intricate craftsmanship and deeply human storytelling. Peter and Jacqui are enamoured with its bittersweet narrative and the meticulous detail of Elliot's claymation, celebrating its recent accolades at international film festivals. Finally, the critics reflect on *From Hilda With Love*, a harrowing World War II drama that delves into the resistance efforts against the Nazi regime. Peter and Alex commend its gripping storytelling and powerful performances, while Jacqui acknowledges its emotional impact despite some narrative pacing issues.00:00:00 - Greg King says he likes sunny days and warm weather
00:02:29 - Ghost Light is a deeply affecting story about love and loss
00:08:08 - Jackie says Ghost Light is a beautiful film about friendship and loss
00:12:49 - This film explores how art and theatre can become a healing force
00:15:36 - Ghost Light is the single light that is kept on in a theatre
00:18:41 - Ghost Light rated M, 116 minutes
00:20:06 - The movie about Lee Miller is called Lee and is rated M M
00:21:27 - The film follows Lee Miller as she becomes Vogue's war correspondent during WWII
00:27:24 - Kate Wiesler gives a strong performance as the iconic wartime photographer
00:29:32 - Peter: I was very impressed by this film which did have some budgetary problems
00:31:17 - I didn't particularly like the way that the film was presented and written
00:34:13 - Greg gave the film six and a half out of ten
00:36:09 - Adam Elliott's latest film Memoir of a Snail took eight years to make
00:42:37 - Alex Taylor says he loved Memoir of a Snail twice
00:48:00 - Memoir of a Snail M rated 94 minutes
00:48:34 - From Hilda With Love is a harrowing World War II drama
00:50:50 - Gregory King: From Hilda With Love is a superb film**Highlights:** - **Ghost Light:** A touching exploration of family dynamics and healing through theatre. The critics appreciate its authentic portrayal of grief and the unique casting of a real-life family. - **Lee:** A compelling biopic of Lee Spitler, with Kate Winslet delivering a standout performance. The critics discuss the film's narrative choices and historical significance. - **Memoir of a Snail:** Celebrated for its artistic innovation and emotional depth, Adam Elliot's latest work is praised for its storytelling and visual ingenuity. - **From Hilda With Love:** A gripping depiction of resistance during WWII, noted for its strong performances and impactful narrative. Join the First on Film & Entertainment Timms for thoughtful discussions and in-depth reviews of these diverse films. Tune in next week for more...

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First on film and entertainment.

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Boy, oh boy. In terms of weather, finally it's arrived.

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I mean, I understand we're not talking about forty degrees.

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I don't want forty degrees. The idea of beautiful sunny

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skies and seeing blue above and green below. That's enough

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for me. My name's Alex first. I hope it's enough

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for you too, Greg King? Do you like sunny days?

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Do you like gay for walks?

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Oh?

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What Donny Day?

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And Warrewoll?

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Are you exactly now, Peter Krause, you get sunny days

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for the time because your walls are so thin, the

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sun penetrates through anything. The rest of us have brick walls,

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but you don't.

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Do you.

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Yeah, I do have brett walls. But I am looking

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out at the sunshine at the moment, and it looks

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really nice, very nicely.

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Now you speak, Most people put toenails. You use the

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toenail clippers to cut grass, don't you.

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Oh look, I tell you what. I've to mow my

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lawns twice a week in the past couple of weeks.

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There you get the rain, you get the sun. You

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get the rain, you get the sun, and just all explodes.

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It's beautiful.

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It is beautiful, isn't it? And sorry, do you find

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this cathartic mowing the lawn or do you not.

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Therapeutic? Yes, it is. It is deeply connection with the

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soil of the earth is very therapeutic.

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Yes, there was a serge.

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I've got my veggie patch going, which is great. I've

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got the bradishes are all out that, I've got my lettuces,

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I've got my cucumbers going. I'm going to put my

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tomatoes into day.

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Well, now that you're talking about patches, if you can

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do all those veggie patches, what do you do for

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bald patches? Can you can you solve my bald patch issue?

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You just just sow some seed in there, Alex, you know,

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maybe carrots exactly.

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That anybody who can really genuinely not these sort of

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hair salons and whatever the promise the yours.

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If anybody can effectively go over here on a bald.

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Head, they're going to make a lot of money and

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they deserve to, as long as it can be done

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in a way that's healthy.

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And don't you can make a lot of money just

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saying they can do it, we don't have to like it.

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Okay, So it's kind of like the American election campaign

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where you lie through your back teeth and people still vote.

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Yeah, well, we know, we don't the scams we know.

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Yeah, we do know, all right, So there's quite a

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bit that we'll try and get through today. One a

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film that I wanted to start with is one that,

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in fact, I think you implored me to see it, Jackie,

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so you to your credit, ghost Light. I sort of

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missed the media screening of it, and I know it's

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been out for a couple of weeks, but I wanted

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to start there because it's a really deeply affecting story

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about love and loss, and it's harrowing, it's sensitive, and

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it's also comedic. It's nearly two hours, one hundred and

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sixteen minutes righted m concerning the trials and tribulations of

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a family in small town America, and we come to

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learn that this family lost their son slash brother, in

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tragic circumstances in the past year, and the father, whose

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name is Dan Mueller played by Keith Kupp for her,

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the mother Sharon Tara Mallin, and the daughter Daisy Catherine

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Malan Coop for her are struggling. Now, if you think

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there's a connection. That absolutely is. Now, I can't think

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of a film where you've got three of the four

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stars being the real life father, mother and daughter playing father,

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mother and daughter. I'll stop at this point. And Peter

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and Greg, you're particularly knowledgeable about these sorts of things

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from a trivial pursuit point of view, Greg, can you

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name me any other family?

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Not one?

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Oh, I'm sorry. I dismissed you straight off, and I

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should have done. So, okay, go on, No you did.

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What about Rodriguez? What's his name? Robert rod us mate,

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Robert Rodriguez used to do all the family stuff, his

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whole family.

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It was in there.

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Yeah, but sorry, I'm talking about starring role three stars.

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Oh okay, all right, I give up. I don't I

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can't think of any other instance anybody. No, No, I

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think it's a brilliant tactical move if it works, because

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it could backfire really badly. But it doesn't. Hear, And

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you've got Daisy, the daughter, who is now sixteen. She's

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lashing out at school. She's on the point of being

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expelled from school. Actually she's loud, she's vulgar. The father,

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Danny's a construction worker, he's internalizing everything. Bear in mind

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that you know, he's the one who lost the son. Obviously,

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Daisy lost the brother. The father doesn't want to talk

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about his feelings, is not into that, but he's a

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powder click, pretty blow. And the mother, Sharon, is just

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trying to hold it all together so the family can somehow,

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the remaining family can somehow get through. But everything appears

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to be coming a part at the seams. And Daisy, well,

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she's in therapy, she's perpetually angry. And then there's an

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ugly incident with a motorist that the father, Dan has

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that he totally loses it. So pressure is continuing to

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build ahead of legal action that family has initiated, and

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surprisingly father that with a blobster by keep going on anyway.

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Surprisingly Dan joins a local community theater group, and that's

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made up a bunch of low red amateurs. Say, for one,

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well tell it as she sees it. Former professional actor

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whose name's Rita, played by Dolly de Leon. You might

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remember her from a Triangle of Sadness and Rita spent

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sixteen years in New York and moved presumably back home

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to small town America. But let's put it this way,

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the rest of the troops acting skills, apart from Bretas,

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are left wanting nevertheless that they're working on Shakespeare's Romeo

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and Juliet, And with Reata's encouragement, Dan slowly starts opening

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up right, opening up at least a level of his

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feelings and the parallel between what happened to the star

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Cross lovers in the play and the mural lils is.

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There's tidy as you know, keep the name it bears, okay,

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an if they know what they do.

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There's screams, there's I think people are being can the

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rest of you here is s Peter and you what, Peter,

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there's something wrong with where you are because we can

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hardly hear any anything other than trucks driving through.

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No, no, I'm I'm hear and there's no other noise

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that I'm aware of.

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Oh my golly, Greg, have you got mac Truck's work?

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No, you won't hear any from white Place.

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And and there's no traffic for me. I'm in a

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sort of a double brick downstairs room. What about you, Jackie,

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I don't know.

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I can see it's actually coming from Peter's side.

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So, Peter, there's some this is the worst I've ever

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known it to be. I don't know what what to

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say here. I don't know how you can't hear that.

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No, it's in the background.

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It's it's not disturbing me at all.

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Now they're coming across, very strongly across. We're now I

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just talk you.

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Yeah, it's it's an It stopped now, so we'll keep

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on going. But okay, yeah, it's not very good on

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live radio, is it. Anyway? We're talking about the parallel

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of Romeo and Juliet to what's happened to the Mueller family,

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and naturally that presents challenges. As a matter of fact,

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the whole work, which is written by Kerry O'Sullivan and

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directed by Bura and Alex Thompson, and they're a couple,

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I believe in real life, is challenging. And the two

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of them work together on a twenty nineteen film called

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Saint Francis. I don't know whether any of you saw that.

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I think I did, But Ghost Slide is this slice

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of life pas and I thought the writing the execution

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were sublime. It's really perceptive, it's grounded, it's completed without pretense,

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and it's done so in everyday settings, and the authenticity

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that Keith Kufner brings to the lead role quite astounding.

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He transforms into his character which is both and tender

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and neither Dan, nor Sharon nor Daisy. You've had a

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chance to grieve properly, and that's the whole point of

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this story. And then you've got Catherine Malan Kafner portraying Daisy,

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the sixteen year old and she was fifteen when she

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did the movie as an intuitive bundle of pined up energy.

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And the mother played by Tara Mallan is credible, willing

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to sort of lay it all on the line right

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and navigate a path through what is a living nightmare.

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And I really enjoyed Dolly de Leon as well. She's

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sort of she's this no nonsense pragmatist with her caring side.

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So it's a really special film, ghost Like, it's heartfelt,

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it's profound, it's one to be savored and celebrated. And

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I reckon a tissue or two wouldn't go astray either,

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would it. Jackie.

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Oh. I just think it's a beautiful film about really

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deep emotions and do you can't deal with it when

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you don't know how to deal with this sadness and

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tragedy and everything just becomes repressed into anger, and you

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know they they're angry with each other, they're angry with

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the world, they're angry with whatever's around them, and you know,

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your heart just breaks for them. You can understand where

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they're at and how they got there. I just think

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it's beautifully put together, and with the concurrent story of

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the Romeo and Juliet play, the amateur play that he's

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in not even knowing that it's actually helping him, and

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how he then also helps others. It's just kind of

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a self help group of a therapy group, but they're

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all helping each other, and how you know, this disparate

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group becomes so necd and important to each other, and

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that's about connecting with other people. It's all heart. This

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film goes like that's all hard. I expected nothing when

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I first started certing it, and I just I just

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felt so deeply about this that I saw in a

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second time and blocked it just as much.

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Wow.

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I mean, I think it's interesting as we grow more mature,

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shall we say that? I know amongst my friendship groups,

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there's there's a lot more value put on well we

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really value your friendship Dahdi dahdi da. Those sorts of

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acclamations are at points as the years have gone on.

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You have you noticed that as well, Jackie, in terms

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of because you've got lots of lots of friends in

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different sort of areas and especially through the exercise that

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you do, and the value of friendship and how you know,

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loneliness is an incredibly debilitating condition and you can feel

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lonely in the presence of others as well, can't you.

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Oh well, yes, absolutely, Alaman. I don't think this film

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it's going to fix any one some issues with friendships

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or lack of However, I think outstanding thing about Ghost

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Life is that it is. It feels, it feels and

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looks like a small film on a fairly small budget.

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It's not. It's not a big, multiplex entertaining kind of film.

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that makes it even more a precious film.

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it's one of the one of my favorite films of

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this year without any question, even though it deals with

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such horrible material. So Greg did you did you appreciate it?

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dysfunctional family relationships, suicide, grief, grief, loss, community, broken dreams.

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if he become a healing force. And I like the

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way that the parallel between the play it he takes

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part in game, takes part in Romeo and Juliet even

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though he's really old. They up Romeo and Juliet here.

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a healing process for the family. And I like the

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fact that the Ner family itself is played by a

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real life family. I thought it added authenticity and verasity

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to their dynamic and interactions. And I thought that lead

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lend itself to the emotional hess to the film as well.

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performance through his tense silences. He spoke so much with

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his silences, his looks as the expression bear. And I

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thought the daughter was strong in a very emotionally demanding

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role as a rebellious days actually gives an jastic job there,

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and I did like college the Leon Otherwi. She was

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as great as reader, as strong willed but simpathetic person there,

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and we sulso I managed to capture that frustration. I'm

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a serious actor who never really managed to make the

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breakthrough that to start them there. And it's free of

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humors throughout as well, some low key moments of humor,

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especially as they explore the querity, idiots and bredit nature

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highly strung personalities, which I thought were brought to life

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by a great ensemble class as well. And I like

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the cineatography of Luke dirog I thought that was great

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as well, and the reduction design brought the settings and

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acts of life as well. As Jackie said, this is

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a small and low key film, but it's also emotionally

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honest and it has a powerful effect on the audience.

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and bringing you know what that can do. I've been

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to incorporate more in your life than sitting in dark

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rooms and very loud rooms like you are at present

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and to see more theater because it pushes the horizon

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beyond what you know it to be. And you keep resisting,

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you know, and you also resist my overtures to take

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you to a football game. Stop resisting.

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Well, I'm part of the resistance movement, so I won't

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succumb to your entreaties.

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Perhaps it's so gentle.

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Line treaties, but price they go along. But mate, I

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shouldn't use that language. Go on, okay, talk to me

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about Ghostly.

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All right, wonderful film. I spoke to the filmmakers who

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spent a few years writing this low key film, which

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is basically about theater as therapy, and Dottie de Leon's

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character is about acting as a therapist for the father

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who comes along to be part of this amateur theater

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production of Romeo and Juliet. It demonstrates how important writing

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is in any film, and this film is so strong

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because it is so well written. Doesn't need a huge script.

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It just needs a good story and screenplay, and this

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one certainly has. It's interesting when you look at the

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title ghost Light, the impression is that it's a horror

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film before you watch it, that it's going to be

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some sort of nasty sort of drama. And they explained

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to me that ghost light is the single light that

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is kept on in a theater.

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and spiritual meaning. Correct, So I mean it's a safety

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device so that people entering the stage are in danger.

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But some believe that theaters are haunted by spirits and

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that the ghost light keeps them happy awards them away.

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Is that what you were told?

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Yes, yes, exactly, that it has that second meaning, Peter, Yeah, Peter, I'm.

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Wondering why why that explanation isn't included in the film, Insie.

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them that, and they said they wanted to keep it

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low key because they wanted to communicate the value of

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amateur or community theater and that that was a large audience.

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They were pitching the film too, and so they thought

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that everyone who saw that who was part of a

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theater would understand the meaning of ghost lives and they

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didn't think it was important to say more about that,

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But it's just important.

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It's interesting because the ghost lighte symbolizes that theater people

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care for their theater, even when there isn't a show

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and it goes back centuries because I mean, this is

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quite a tradition, and during the pandemic, many theaters kept

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their ghost slides on as a symbol of hope that

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live performances would return. So yeah, I mean, I like,

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I agree Jackie that it's I dare say a lot

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of people wouldn't have been familiar with that, and you know,

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so it makes it a very clever title. Actually, yes, yeah, look.

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It's a beautifully told story, very well acted, and I

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must say it was great to see Dolly de Leon

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as the theater director of slash Therapist helping and helping along.

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It's it's just a really wonderful little film.

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Yeah. So I think we're all going to be rating

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this extremely highly, as we should. So let's start off

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with you, Jackie. Out of ten. Ghost Slide rated M

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one hundred and sixteen minutes.

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Eight point five eight and a half from me out

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Right, for some reason, you cut out again for a moment,

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but you're back to okay, Greek King.

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Seven to seven and a half.

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it eight out of ten and I give it eight

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and a half. Jackie, we agree this is this is

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I mean, we're in fierce accord. Is that what we

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the day. No, here we go. Let's talk about a

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movie about an actor I have the highest regard for,

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namely Kate Winslet. And it's called Lee and it also

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runs for just under two hours, one hundred and seventeen

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minutes and is also rated M And I got to

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say I had not heard of the star of the

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show here or the person who's represented somebody called Lee Miller.

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Knew nothing about her. I'm wondering, prior to seeing this

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movie and prior to hearing that it is about Lee Miller,

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any of you three had heard of Lee Miller? Peter No, Greg, Hello,

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there's a delay. What's going on? No? I heard? And Jackie.

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Yes, there was an exhibition of her photographs at Heidi

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last year.

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I think it was last year.

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Did you go along? And did you know who Leemela

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was when you went along?

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I didn't go to Nixon, but a neighbor of mine

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who goes to Heidi regularly, had spoken to me about it,

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so I knew.

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But your introduction to Lee Milla, that's did you know

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who she was before?

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That? Not?

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Right? So, and that's to me the beaten nub of this.

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Why this is such an extraordinary story. You've got a

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taciturn American who was born in nineteen oh seven and

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passed away seventy years later. She's about to be interviewed

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in her London home, and she questions why she should

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allow the interview to take place, and then agrees on

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condition that she can ask the interviewer some hard questions

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of her own. And I'm going to be very careful

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here I'm not going to sort of say anything more

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about the interview were and obviously I've talked to you

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about the interviewee, so please, when you're talking about this,

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just don't give away the spoiler. But this is Lee

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Miller to a t with the interbuler. She's unapologetic, she's surly,

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she's determined, she's a driven individual and doesn't suffer fools gladly,

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and hence begins a deep dive into the world of

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one of the most famous war photographers of all time.

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Mind you, her real story didn't come to light until

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her son unearthed the evidence. In her younger years, she

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was a model. She was a muse who liked to drink,

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she liked to have sex, and she liked to take photographs.

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So she was this free spirit who enjoyed the company

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of like minded friends in the south of France who

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wouldn't And that's where she met and fell for a

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British art dealer and an artist for the whole by

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Alexander Scarsguard, who was immediately besotted by her, and she

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went on to live with Penrose in London. She sought

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and eventually got a job as a photographer, later a

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photo journalist for British Vogue magazine, so incredibly prestigious, and

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that's how she came to forge your friendship with British

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Fogue's editor Audrey Withers, played by Andrea Risebrough. So we're

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talking about a time frame where World War iiO is

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beckoning and Miller became Vogue's war correspondent. She was a feminist,

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She broke down barriers. She covered events like the London Blitz,

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deliberation of Paris, and concentration camps at Bookenworld and Dakka.

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So Linning's her Whatson, all tale, grit and endurance, including

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an experience with Hitler. Again, I'm just going to leave

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it at that. She's hated as a ball breaker, a drink,

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a heavy smoke who barges her way through life. The

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screenplays by Liz Hannah Marrying Hume and John Colly, based

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on Lee's son, whose name is Anthony Penrose's book The

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Lives of Lee Miller and Kate Winslet also serves as

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one of the film's producers. She does a really fine

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job getting inside Lee's skin. She plays her as this

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uncompromising force of nature who simply will not be tamed.

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And Josh O'Connor is cast as the patient interviewer, someone

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intent on getting to the nub of the truth. Andrew

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Risebrough is stoic and respectful as the British fou editor,

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and as Roland Alexander Scarsguard indulges Lee's brusque nature and

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simply runs with it. Another key figure in her life

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Lee's life was the Life magazine photographer Davey Sherman, to

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whom and Andy Sandberg gives voice. Now, okay, he's noted

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as a comic actor, but I mean you think about

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Tom Anks. Brady was noted as a comic actor, and

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then he made two movies, one to Oscars the serious roles.

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So it's not Robert Williams also, who did a lot

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of colin things, but also very capable of serious dramatic

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roles and dramatic role it also bought a bit of

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a creepy side.

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This persona totally agree Yeah, good, good, good choice of name.

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So on the battlefield you've got the two photographers forming

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this impenetrable partnership, and as the film shows it, you've

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got David Sherman admiring Lee Miller's tenacity and plat and

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the atrocities that the pair witness are quite overwhelming. You've

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also got some rather fine actors playing smaller roles, marrying

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Cotti Cotta Lard and Naomi Merland, and they play two

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of Deer's Lee's dear friends. The cinematographer, I mean, this

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is really important. The cinematographer now turned director who actually

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makes her narrative feature to Boo with Lee is Ellen Curis,

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and I reckon there's a real keen eye for detail

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in What Is It production. The focus is rightly on

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Kate Winslet. I mean's her movie. She delivers this powerful

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portrait of a woman of substance. I thought it was

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an extraordinarily strong role by her, and it was a

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been a passion project for Winslet, and good honor for

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sticking with it, because sometimes you know, passion projects like

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we talked about one recently set in in New Rome,

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which was old Rome, and that didn't work for me,

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But this one does. Lee is a good wrong movie,

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do you not think so.

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Greg, Yes, it's quite a good film. I thought that

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framing device of the person interviewing the elder Lee Lee

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Miller was a little bit of clunky and interrupted the

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narrative flow from me, I thought, But I thought, I

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thought Kate Winslet did a good job there. She inhabited

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the character.

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Sorry, sorry, let me interrupted you Greek. So when you

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say that was a bit clunky, how would you liked

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to have seen the film done without that? Just a

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00:27:00.480 --> 00:27:01.680
set of yes, story.

446
00:27:01.720 --> 00:27:06.200
Without that, And Jess gives the background that her photographs

447
00:27:06.200 --> 00:27:09.519
words found untilast she died uncovered by her son. Yeah,

448
00:27:09.920 --> 00:27:12.400
you didn't need that, I thought that, and interrupted the

449
00:27:12.480 --> 00:27:14.559
narrative flow the way it went Backpriingdon forwards a little

450
00:27:14.599 --> 00:27:17.480
bit between those two there. So for me, that device

451
00:27:17.519 --> 00:27:18.759
didn't quite work as much.

452
00:27:19.000 --> 00:27:20.519
Although it's quite a bill of device.

453
00:27:20.559 --> 00:27:22.559
I've got to say, Yeah, I know a wind has

454
00:27:22.559 --> 00:27:25.920
done well. It can work strong. But I thought Pat

455
00:27:25.960 --> 00:27:30.240
Whissler inhabited the character here, showed the strength, a sense

456
00:27:30.279 --> 00:27:35.839
of determination, even though prickly personality. She didn't suffer fools playedly.

457
00:27:35.920 --> 00:27:38.839
She didn't tolerate the misogyny at the time, especially when

458
00:27:39.319 --> 00:27:42.519
military commanders told her that they didn't want women at

459
00:27:42.519 --> 00:27:47.960
the front there, but she but she also wore emotions there,

460
00:27:48.759 --> 00:27:53.160
a sense of outrage and what her feelies discussed at

461
00:27:53.200 --> 00:27:56.039
what she found in the concentration camps there as well

462
00:27:56.400 --> 00:27:58.640
as a showy performance, I thought, and I will probably

463
00:27:58.640 --> 00:28:00.839
see her in contention for us some sort of recognition

464
00:28:01.200 --> 00:28:04.640
come in the next awards season. There, I agree. Andy

465
00:28:04.640 --> 00:28:07.279
Saandberg been known for his comic roles. Here, I thought

466
00:28:07.279 --> 00:28:09.799
he did a pretty good job here, playing it straight.

467
00:28:09.880 --> 00:28:12.400
There and You arrived for I thought, or was it

468
00:28:12.559 --> 00:28:15.920
also good Alexander Scar's Gone marrying Kotlard I thought were

469
00:28:15.960 --> 00:28:18.000
a little bit waste and not given as much to

470
00:28:18.039 --> 00:28:21.480
do There. I thought the production values were quite good.

471
00:28:21.839 --> 00:28:24.400
How it moved from that sort of happiness heading this

472
00:28:24.519 --> 00:28:27.119
attitude of the early thirties through to the blitz of

473
00:28:27.119 --> 00:28:30.799
London with destruction misery of that, and then the ruin

474
00:28:30.839 --> 00:28:35.119
of Europe There and I thought the cinematographer Howell Edelman

475
00:28:35.599 --> 00:28:37.720
gave the film a gritty surface here, the sort of

476
00:28:38.160 --> 00:28:41.240
darker times, bleak color added to the turn of the film.

477
00:28:41.480 --> 00:28:44.160
So yeah, I didn't know much about her, still don't

478
00:28:44.200 --> 00:28:46.440
know a lot more about it after the film, but

479
00:28:46.519 --> 00:28:50.920
it certainly captures a testament to the horrors of the war.

480
00:28:51.839 --> 00:28:54.799
She caught that there as well, So yeah, so in

481
00:28:55.119 --> 00:28:58.319
the film. But I thought the director was pretty straightforward,

482
00:28:58.359 --> 00:28:59.359
nothing flashy about it.

483
00:29:00.400 --> 00:29:02.720
Yeah, but when you say you still don't know a

484
00:29:02.759 --> 00:29:05.240
lot more about it, I'm surprised you say that. Why

485
00:29:05.240 --> 00:29:08.920
would you not say that that you know you've learned

486
00:29:08.920 --> 00:29:10.319
a lot a lot about it because you didn't know

487
00:29:10.319 --> 00:29:13.559
it beforehand. Be surprised or confused by that.

488
00:29:14.440 --> 00:29:17.079
No, you can get a lot about her early, early,

489
00:29:17.319 --> 00:29:20.200
earlier life. There you've got basically from the thirties old

490
00:29:20.200 --> 00:29:23.559
which when she became a phizographer. You just didn't get

491
00:29:23.680 --> 00:29:25.400
enough that sensor beforehand.

492
00:29:26.319 --> 00:29:29.079
Oh okay, yeah, I actually all.

493
00:29:29.000 --> 00:29:32.920
This strong femininity came from you didn't get enough of that, Peter,

494
00:29:33.039 --> 00:29:33.519
what about you?

495
00:29:34.559 --> 00:29:36.799
I was very impressed by this film, I must say,

496
00:29:36.839 --> 00:29:42.640
and I liked the framing device of the interview with

497
00:29:43.279 --> 00:29:47.079
because it gave also a very strong resolution, which of

498
00:29:47.079 --> 00:29:51.599
course I won't spoil. I think Kate Winsley has done

499
00:29:51.599 --> 00:29:55.359
a great job in pushing and producing this film because

500
00:29:56.039 --> 00:30:01.799
it is a story of an underrecognized and well regarded

501
00:30:02.480 --> 00:30:07.400
war correspondent and photographer, especially during World War Two. Very

502
00:30:07.400 --> 00:30:13.640
important story, and it is beautifully shot, and Winsford really

503
00:30:13.680 --> 00:30:16.039
put her heart and soul into it, which I was

504
00:30:16.119 --> 00:30:20.920
very impressed. By. I was also impressed by the locations

505
00:30:20.960 --> 00:30:25.799
that they use. Apart from the UK, they also shot

506
00:30:25.839 --> 00:30:29.599
in Croatia and Hungary, and that gave it an extra

507
00:30:29.680 --> 00:30:34.960
sense of authenticity to the film, which did have some

508
00:30:35.200 --> 00:30:39.599
budgetary problems. I mean, Kate Winsford herself had to contribute

509
00:30:39.759 --> 00:30:43.640
some money to the production of the film because they

510
00:30:44.720 --> 00:30:48.160
had run out and they had to find other producers

511
00:30:48.240 --> 00:30:52.680
and other money sources. No, this is a story that's

512
00:30:52.799 --> 00:30:57.000
really well told, and her photographs Themiller's photographs that are

513
00:30:57.039 --> 00:31:03.000
just superb and deserve the recognition that this film gives them,

514
00:31:03.359 --> 00:31:06.720
and her life which was largely will recorded.

515
00:31:06.880 --> 00:31:08.079
So I was very impressed.

516
00:31:09.720 --> 00:31:13.759
I recreated some of those pointed photographs.

517
00:31:14.240 --> 00:31:17.759
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think they did a pretty good job. Jackie,

518
00:31:17.759 --> 00:31:22.000
did you appreciate the strong feminist sort of that the

519
00:31:22.160 --> 00:31:27.200
the the issue of a brilliant photographer who transitioned her

520
00:31:27.200 --> 00:31:30.799
life from if you like, frippery of some description to

521
00:31:31.440 --> 00:31:34.799
something of great substance, but didn't want to didn't sort

522
00:31:34.799 --> 00:31:38.000
of get the recognition that she deserved during her lifetime.

523
00:31:38.000 --> 00:31:44.200
Potentially, I don't think she like like can you hear me?

524
00:31:44.759 --> 00:31:48.599
Yep, and that can but there's it's almost like I'm

525
00:31:48.599 --> 00:31:50.319
talking to you overseas and there's a gap.

526
00:31:51.680 --> 00:31:54.240
Oh well, it's lovely here in the south of France

527
00:31:54.279 --> 00:31:54.759
at the moment.

528
00:31:56.079 --> 00:32:00.359
I'm very good. Okay, yes, you're not in you're not depression.

529
00:32:00.480 --> 00:32:04.119
That Lee didn't really like the frippery of that life

530
00:32:04.559 --> 00:32:10.440
lasing around pre war, well at least pre her involvement

531
00:32:10.559 --> 00:32:14.960
in the war years. She was a bit restless for

532
00:32:15.119 --> 00:32:18.839
more and that was in her nature of being quite

533
00:32:18.880 --> 00:32:23.640
feisty and determined, and she had strong women all around her.

534
00:32:23.799 --> 00:32:27.319
So if there was feminism in this film, it was

535
00:32:27.359 --> 00:32:30.880
also in her friendships and her supporters and you know,

536
00:32:30.960 --> 00:32:34.440
her employer and that as well. I'm going to make

537
00:32:34.559 --> 00:32:38.240
this a draw of two two between the four of

538
00:32:38.319 --> 00:32:42.680
us on Greek side. I didn't particularly like that device

539
00:32:43.240 --> 00:32:47.079
of the way that the film was presented and written.

540
00:32:48.839 --> 00:32:51.880
For me, it wasn't even only the interruption. It was

541
00:32:52.000 --> 00:32:57.920
as we all are just swimming around, not spoiling it.

542
00:32:59.200 --> 00:33:02.319
If I were to say the spoiler was, it would

543
00:33:02.359 --> 00:33:08.400
completely ruin it, and I didn't like the way that

544
00:33:08.400 --> 00:33:11.279
that was done. My favorite part of the film Lee

545
00:33:11.880 --> 00:33:17.039
was during the credits, when we saw the actual images

546
00:33:17.200 --> 00:33:21.319
that she had shot and we had seen how she

547
00:33:21.359 --> 00:33:23.960
came upon those circumstances and how she dealt with it,

548
00:33:24.559 --> 00:33:29.240
and her professionalism in taking those photos, and Davy's support

549
00:33:29.920 --> 00:33:32.319
as it came through. But we had to wait all

550
00:33:32.440 --> 00:33:34.839
the way to the credits until we saw that. I

551
00:33:34.839 --> 00:33:38.359
would have liked that to have been fed into the film.

552
00:33:39.000 --> 00:33:41.480
And I think, if it's going to be a dramatization

553
00:33:41.759 --> 00:33:45.519
of one person's career and life, or at least, you know,

554
00:33:45.640 --> 00:33:47.880
just a segment of it, and I agree with Greg again,

555
00:33:48.200 --> 00:33:50.720
it was only a segment. We didn't really get the

556
00:33:50.759 --> 00:33:53.599
background to how she became this woman, and I would

557
00:33:53.599 --> 00:33:56.880
have liked that. I think for the dramatization of her life,

558
00:33:57.359 --> 00:34:00.920
I would have liked a bit more actual information on

559
00:34:01.000 --> 00:34:05.079
where she was. And I know there were some dates

560
00:34:05.119 --> 00:34:08.239
and years and that, but I wanted more of that information.

561
00:34:08.400 --> 00:34:10.320
Otherwise it all just became a bit of a blur

562
00:34:11.639 --> 00:34:12.519
as it progressed.

563
00:34:13.719 --> 00:34:17.280
Wow. Okay, so I mean I think I'll probably be

564
00:34:17.599 --> 00:34:19.800
a higher score than many of you on this one.

565
00:34:20.079 --> 00:34:24.639
Let's start with you. Greg sits down a ten. Okay,

566
00:34:24.719 --> 00:34:28.920
So that's a that's a pretty average or just above

567
00:34:28.960 --> 00:34:29.639
average type of.

568
00:34:29.599 --> 00:34:33.119
Well, you know, pretty average, I thought. I agree with

569
00:34:33.199 --> 00:34:34.960
some of the He's deftly said that there's someone the

570
00:34:35.000 --> 00:34:36.800
things that bothered me about this a little bit there,

571
00:34:37.800 --> 00:34:41.320
and I'm afraid, no, it didn't well you should say

572
00:34:41.320 --> 00:34:43.079
what she should be said about it only go about

573
00:34:43.119 --> 00:34:44.039
two and a half, I think.

574
00:34:44.440 --> 00:34:47.679
But Jim, yeah, Jim came out of this sort of

575
00:34:47.719 --> 00:34:49.960
saying it was a boring fit. I mean, you know,

576
00:34:50.239 --> 00:34:52.880
I'm sorry I shouldn't sort of put words in his mouth,

577
00:34:52.920 --> 00:34:58.599
but he didn't find it particularly stimulating. But I got

578
00:34:58.639 --> 00:35:02.360
to say that there there's lots of arguments the other way.

579
00:35:02.480 --> 00:35:05.800
So anyway, okay, so Jackie, yes.

580
00:35:05.840 --> 00:35:07.800
I'd go there was a little bit of tedium in

581
00:35:07.840 --> 00:35:10.840
it for a two. But say, I'm blaming that on

582
00:35:11.000 --> 00:35:13.840
not having a perfect sense since it was a true

583
00:35:13.840 --> 00:35:16.880
story based on a true story, having a perfect sense

584
00:35:16.960 --> 00:35:19.320
of time and place.

585
00:35:19.079 --> 00:35:19.679
All the time.

586
00:35:19.719 --> 00:35:22.920
I wanted it a lot more factual. I gave it

587
00:35:22.960 --> 00:35:23.599
six and a half.

588
00:35:24.559 --> 00:35:26.880
Okay, Okay, Peter.

589
00:35:27.760 --> 00:35:32.239
I found this a very compelling biopic which dealt with

590
00:35:32.360 --> 00:35:36.199
a particular aspect of her life. It's not a documentary.

591
00:35:36.320 --> 00:35:38.880
So I'm a little surprised at some of the reactions.

592
00:35:39.400 --> 00:35:42.800
And we've seen so many of these biopics where the

593
00:35:42.840 --> 00:35:46.840
real person is then highlighted at the end of a film.

594
00:35:46.960 --> 00:35:50.679
So I'm not quite sure where the criticism rearis, but anyway,

595
00:35:50.719 --> 00:35:54.000
that's fine. I gave the film eight out of ten.

596
00:35:54.199 --> 00:35:56.000
And I gave it an eight out of ten as well,

597
00:35:56.119 --> 00:36:01.199
So yeah, okay, I would highly commend it, and it's yeah,

598
00:36:01.199 --> 00:36:04.880
I mean, I found it very, very compelling, and I

599
00:36:04.920 --> 00:36:07.519
wish i'd I wish I'd known even more about her

600
00:36:08.039 --> 00:36:11.239
to this point of time. Let's move on to Memoir

601
00:36:11.480 --> 00:36:16.280
of a Snail. Now, I'm in awe of what Academy

602
00:36:16.280 --> 00:36:18.719
would win well he wanted for the short Harvey compant

603
00:36:18.960 --> 00:36:22.519
Adam Elliott can do in the sphere of adult stop

604
00:36:22.559 --> 00:36:25.400
motion animation. I mean, he's in acclaimation. This is a

605
00:36:25.440 --> 00:36:28.880
film that's ninety four minutes in duration, it runs, it's

606
00:36:29.199 --> 00:36:33.159
emerated as well. And what Adam Elliott has going for

607
00:36:33.239 --> 00:36:36.920
him is that his storytelling is quite quirky and yet

608
00:36:37.119 --> 00:36:41.119
it's accessible. And this is his second feature after Mary

609
00:36:41.119 --> 00:36:44.559
and Max took eight years to make. I mean, and

610
00:36:45.000 --> 00:36:47.440
I'll give you some of the statistics and then I'll

611
00:36:47.480 --> 00:36:51.480
talk to you about about the film. You've just got

612
00:36:52.000 --> 00:36:56.239
every prop every object in this film is real, So

613
00:36:57.119 --> 00:37:01.679
he's basically there's no CGI. More than seven thousand individual

614
00:37:01.679 --> 00:37:06.039
items were handcrafted over nearly a year, and so each

615
00:37:06.079 --> 00:37:08.840
of the props and the sets and the characters have

616
00:37:08.920 --> 00:37:11.599
been developed by a team of artists and technicians and

617
00:37:11.840 --> 00:37:17.199
they use things like clay and plasticine, silicon, wire, paper,

618
00:37:17.280 --> 00:37:20.800
and paint. And five, for example, is made from crumpled

619
00:37:21.039 --> 00:37:25.159
yellow and red cellophane tears from glycerine water. Well that's

620
00:37:25.159 --> 00:37:28.920
from a mix of clear plastic and lubricant and smoke,

621
00:37:29.280 --> 00:37:32.519
while it's cotton wool and rain drops of the bubbles

622
00:37:32.519 --> 00:37:36.559
from bubble wrap. So you've got seven animators having worked

623
00:37:36.559 --> 00:37:40.039
ten hours a day over more than half a year

624
00:37:40.360 --> 00:37:45.519
to animate frame by frame three hundred and ten thousand

625
00:37:45.639 --> 00:37:49.400
individual movements that were needed to create this movie. And

626
00:37:50.239 --> 00:37:52.440
you've even got I mean, Adam Elliott was born with

627
00:37:52.480 --> 00:37:57.519
a hereditary shake is incorporated that into this movie because

628
00:37:57.519 --> 00:38:00.360
while crafting Memory of as Snile, he had signed throughout

629
00:38:00.360 --> 00:38:03.079
the studio that read chunky wonky. And what that meant

630
00:38:03.360 --> 00:38:07.079
is that every asset had to look flawed and asymmetrical,

631
00:38:07.679 --> 00:38:10.000
as if it was made in a great hurry or

632
00:38:10.320 --> 00:38:13.920
by someone who was drunk, So to me, it's quite

633
00:38:13.920 --> 00:38:17.920
an extraordinary of filmmaking, and it's got a storyline that's

634
00:38:17.960 --> 00:38:22.000
engaging and left of center. There's so much going on,

635
00:38:22.719 --> 00:38:25.199
so much to see. It's kind of driven me to

636
00:38:25.239 --> 00:38:27.559
try and see Memoir of a Snail again for a

637
00:38:27.599 --> 00:38:30.480
second time very soon. It's the work of real orteur

638
00:38:31.280 --> 00:38:35.719
and it's got originality stamped all over it, So it's

639
00:38:35.760 --> 00:38:39.039
the heartfelt story drawn from personal experiences. The Taylor a

640
00:38:39.159 --> 00:38:42.440
loner who befriends an older woman and her name is

641
00:38:42.480 --> 00:38:45.320
Grace Prudell, and she's a bit of a misfit who

642
00:38:45.679 --> 00:38:50.800
collects ornamental snails and she also loves books. Now, at

643
00:38:50.840 --> 00:38:55.360
a young age, through adverse circumstances, she separated from her

644
00:38:55.599 --> 00:38:59.639
twin brother, Gilbert, who happens to be obsessed with fire.

645
00:39:00.840 --> 00:39:04.480
So the pairs farmed out to different families in different states,

646
00:39:04.559 --> 00:39:10.000
different AUSSI states, and they're long way apart, and she

647
00:39:10.159 --> 00:39:14.480
falls into this spiral of anxiety in despair. Hardship appears

648
00:39:14.519 --> 00:39:16.639
to be her a lot, but hope emerges when she

649
00:39:16.639 --> 00:39:20.800
connects with this aging woman called Pinky, and Pinky embraces

650
00:39:20.840 --> 00:39:23.760
life on her own terms. She's made of the right stuff.

651
00:39:24.280 --> 00:39:27.880
She's gritty, she's determined, and in time her words of

652
00:39:27.880 --> 00:39:32.559
wisdom will rub off on Grace, who tells her story

653
00:39:32.920 --> 00:39:38.559
to a humble garden snail named Sylvia. So in all

654
00:39:38.599 --> 00:39:42.239
of Elliot's films, the protagonists through outsiders. So it is

655
00:39:42.280 --> 00:39:45.519
here and this memoir of a snail is infused with

656
00:39:45.599 --> 00:39:50.079
light and shade. And Elliot connects to his audience by

657
00:39:50.199 --> 00:39:54.199
layering pathos with humor, and it reflects the darkness and

658
00:39:54.239 --> 00:39:57.199
joy of everyday life. So he drew on what he

659
00:39:57.320 --> 00:40:00.000
calls the semi hoarding of his mum and the color

660
00:40:00.079 --> 00:40:02.320
full life of a friend who happened to be a

661
00:40:02.320 --> 00:40:06.159
collector and told in thralling anecdotes to inform his screenplay.

662
00:40:06.800 --> 00:40:10.360
So I thought the result was really extremely compelling. You

663
00:40:10.480 --> 00:40:13.880
never know where it's going to head, and that's a positive. Infact.

664
00:40:13.920 --> 00:40:17.960
It often surprises by changing direction. And he's also drawn

665
00:40:17.960 --> 00:40:20.639
on top tier talent to voice the characters. Sarah Snook,

666
00:40:20.960 --> 00:40:23.239
she's the glue that binds it together, the voice of her.

667
00:40:23.840 --> 00:40:26.599
She plays the out of sorts Grace Brudell opposite Cody

668
00:40:26.639 --> 00:40:31.679
Smick mcpheear's as Gilbert the Twin. Jackie Weaver brings attitude

669
00:40:31.679 --> 00:40:35.039
and resolved to Pinky and Magda Zebanski cast is a

670
00:40:35.159 --> 00:40:39.400
gay conversion therapy leader. How good is that? As potent

671
00:40:39.519 --> 00:40:41.800
as is the storyline, it's the look and feel of

672
00:40:41.840 --> 00:40:45.679
Elliott's films that are such distinguishing features, and I thought

673
00:40:45.760 --> 00:40:51.880
this was quite special memoir of a snail, Peter, what

674
00:40:51.920 --> 00:40:53.440
did you think of a mation?

675
00:40:54.719 --> 00:40:58.679
A wonderful, Absolutely wonderful. I've liked all of Adam Elliott's

676
00:40:58.880 --> 00:41:03.760
short films and plus Mari and Max, and of course

677
00:41:03.880 --> 00:41:07.239
now this one memoir of the Snail. It is so

678
00:41:07.360 --> 00:41:11.920
beautifully written, very bittersweet. It sort of looks at life

679
00:41:11.960 --> 00:41:16.639
and death, that looks at so many particular humane issues,

680
00:41:17.280 --> 00:41:23.280
and he writes so well. His stories are so compelling,

681
00:41:23.800 --> 00:41:25.599
and that's what I love about it. But yes, you've

682
00:41:25.639 --> 00:41:31.800
also elucidated the way he structures the film, his clamations,

683
00:41:32.760 --> 00:41:35.840
the stop motion work, and the models and so on

684
00:41:35.920 --> 00:41:39.920
that are constructed, including a wonderful model of Lunar Park,

685
00:41:40.239 --> 00:41:41.559
which I thought was that.

686
00:41:42.199 --> 00:41:45.840
Yes, own, I want to own some of this stuff

687
00:41:45.880 --> 00:41:47.840
and put it on my handle. But it is so

688
00:41:49.239 --> 00:41:54.239
it's just extraordinary, like he's taken playmation to a whole

689
00:41:54.280 --> 00:41:57.159
new level as far as I'm concerned, and I mean

690
00:41:57.199 --> 00:42:00.480
eight years to make a movie. Wow, you know, and

691
00:42:00.559 --> 00:42:04.360
he used the time, he used COVID very very wisely, right.

692
00:42:04.400 --> 00:42:07.679
I mean he did because he he sort of did

693
00:42:07.760 --> 00:42:11.519
all these storyboards, right. And I mean the guy there's

694
00:42:11.559 --> 00:42:14.320
got the guy's got a different mindset I reckon to

695
00:42:14.400 --> 00:42:18.119
most other human beings. And I love that about him. Yeah,

696
00:42:18.159 --> 00:42:19.400
I agree better, I agree.

697
00:42:20.199 --> 00:42:22.239
I just wanted to say that the film has not

698
00:42:22.360 --> 00:42:26.159
only one best Film at the Anise Animation Film Festival,

699
00:42:26.440 --> 00:42:30.360
but just a few days ago was best Film overall

700
00:42:30.639 --> 00:42:34.079
at the London Film Festival, which is quite incredible.

701
00:42:34.440 --> 00:42:39.320
Wow, that's that's superb, superb. Now, Jackie, have you seen

702
00:42:39.320 --> 00:42:39.840
this one?

703
00:42:40.400 --> 00:42:46.519
I have seen Memoir of a Snail twice. Well, that

704
00:42:46.760 --> 00:42:49.519
so much the first time, you know, and I think

705
00:42:49.599 --> 00:42:53.119
I whilst taking notes as I was watching it, and

706
00:42:53.400 --> 00:42:56.000
I was afraid that I missed the little bits because

707
00:42:56.000 --> 00:43:00.599
there's so much going on in every that I and

708
00:43:01.760 --> 00:43:06.519
I wanted to really enjoy it the second time. When

709
00:43:06.519 --> 00:43:12.639
I say enjoy this is not for childrens, Peter one,

710
00:43:12.679 --> 00:43:15.440
he's motorbike and have you left us?

711
00:43:15.480 --> 00:43:18.639
Have you? You're sort of free in the wind you're

712
00:43:18.840 --> 00:43:21.960
on Route sixty six at the moment, I.

713
00:43:21.360 --> 00:43:27.599
No, I'm here, so i've It's mostly a film that's

714
00:43:27.639 --> 00:43:32.320
shot in brown tones brown and in fact in Canberra,

715
00:43:32.480 --> 00:43:35.840
and the couple's favorite color is beige and they don't

716
00:43:35.960 --> 00:43:40.639
like sharp corners. It's a you know, it's not a

717
00:43:40.760 --> 00:43:44.239
children's film. And I made a list of what I

718
00:43:44.280 --> 00:43:47.440
thought were some or most of the issues that are covered,

719
00:43:47.440 --> 00:43:53.199
and it's everything from grief, pyromania, aging process, loneliness, weight gain,

720
00:43:53.679 --> 00:43:59.280
sexual perversion, hoarding while collecting becomes hoarding of course, poverty,

721
00:43:59.400 --> 00:44:04.599
physical figament, addiction, bullying, abuse, danger, homosexual I mean, you know,

722
00:44:05.000 --> 00:44:08.679
they're the themes of this film. But what a joy

723
00:44:08.719 --> 00:44:12.559
it is because of that very dry, ry humor and

724
00:44:12.639 --> 00:44:17.159
the little physical attributes we see going on in the characters,

725
00:44:17.599 --> 00:44:21.079
as well as the very quiet language that we see

726
00:44:21.119 --> 00:44:24.280
as well. Pinky played by Jackie owned voice by Jackie

727
00:44:24.320 --> 00:44:28.360
Weaver is an absolute joy and it is worth seeing

728
00:44:28.400 --> 00:44:31.920
the film for the maybe forty five seconds in which

729
00:44:31.960 --> 00:44:34.000
we learn how she lost a part of a finger,

730
00:44:35.000 --> 00:44:39.800
just to see that little skit. It's worth seeing the film.

731
00:44:40.679 --> 00:44:43.360
I just really loved Memoir of Busl which is actually

732
00:44:43.519 --> 00:44:48.800
a story narrated by Grace Puddle spelt pied elm as

733
00:44:48.840 --> 00:44:52.199
in the puddle the Grace Puddle to Sylvia the snail,

734
00:44:52.559 --> 00:44:57.079
and the narration goes back and forth to her. Ninety

735
00:44:57.119 --> 00:45:01.199
four minutes is a long film for Acclaim, and I

736
00:45:01.199 --> 00:45:03.400
thought it was just the right length for this, so

737
00:45:03.400 --> 00:45:05.679
I probably wouldn't have needed it to be any longer,

738
00:45:05.679 --> 00:45:09.800
but it was perfect here. And it's all the secondary

739
00:45:09.920 --> 00:45:15.039
characters as well, Gilbert and Gracie's father in the wheelchair

740
00:45:15.199 --> 00:45:18.440
and how he got to be in the wheelchair and

741
00:45:18.480 --> 00:45:22.880
how he met their mum, and all these little backstories

742
00:45:23.000 --> 00:45:27.679
just sprinkled through and add to the this universe we're

743
00:45:27.679 --> 00:45:34.760
seeing in Brown. If you're like exactly know Alex that

744
00:45:35.639 --> 00:45:40.679
Adam Elliott, they melt down the clay. Afterwards they just

745
00:45:40.960 --> 00:45:43.960
let it go and reuse it, be repurpose it, which

746
00:45:44.320 --> 00:45:45.400
it is.

747
00:45:46.280 --> 00:45:47.119
It's my treasure.

748
00:45:48.400 --> 00:45:50.559
Well, they did actually have an exhibition that actme. I

749
00:45:50.559 --> 00:45:53.840
think it was after Mary Max and that was I

750
00:45:53.880 --> 00:45:56.960
did see that, and that was absolutely wonderful. But he says, look,

751
00:45:57.000 --> 00:45:59.119
the models don't mean anything. In fact, a lot of

752
00:45:59.159 --> 00:46:01.599
them don't even have acts. You know, if you're only

753
00:46:01.639 --> 00:46:03.639
shooting from the front. They don't even have a back

754
00:46:03.719 --> 00:46:06.679
that's made up, he said, because the actual models are

755
00:46:06.800 --> 00:46:09.880
nearly a vehicle to tell the story that you'll see

756
00:46:10.079 --> 00:46:13.000
when you're in the cinema on screen. And I get that.

757
00:46:14.159 --> 00:46:19.719
Yeah, look, obviously I understand that as well as somebody

758
00:46:19.719 --> 00:46:23.039
who is a collector who appreciates this sort of stuff.

759
00:46:23.760 --> 00:46:27.360
I suppose you know that's a selfish ideal that I've got,

760
00:46:28.039 --> 00:46:32.320
because I mean, it's it's interesting how cartoons.

761
00:46:33.159 --> 00:46:36.320
You're not tipping over to hoarding, aren't you, Alex, Because

762
00:46:36.360 --> 00:46:38.679
you know this is a mental condition. You know, it's

763
00:46:38.719 --> 00:46:41.320
a it's a it's it's a problem.

764
00:46:42.159 --> 00:46:44.920
Yes, yeah, I'm sure that I've got you'd say, I've

765
00:46:44.920 --> 00:46:47.119
got lots of Yeah. Should I look back in my

766
00:46:47.280 --> 00:46:49.920
chair and you can you can do the psychological evaluation?

767
00:46:50.039 --> 00:46:51.199
Should you do that now?

768
00:46:52.239 --> 00:46:52.519
So long?

769
00:46:52.559 --> 00:46:54.480
Actually don't have Guggenheimer's as she.

770
00:46:54.480 --> 00:46:59.480
Said, Yes, I but no, No, What I was going

771
00:46:59.519 --> 00:47:03.320
to say is you think about cartoonists or caricaturists or whatever,

772
00:47:03.480 --> 00:47:09.280
but cartoonists in particular where you've got whole comic Connen

773
00:47:09.599 --> 00:47:13.159
and all that sort of stuff, and collectibles become a

774
00:47:13.199 --> 00:47:16.000
real thing. People get obsessed with that sort of thing.

775
00:47:16.199 --> 00:47:18.960
You look at Taylor Swift and you get the bands

776
00:47:19.000 --> 00:47:22.800
and all that sort of stuff. People like things that

777
00:47:22.840 --> 00:47:25.960
they appreciate, you know, like it could be a Star

778
00:47:26.000 --> 00:47:28.400
Wars toy or it could be it's kind of like that,

779
00:47:28.559 --> 00:47:31.559
and I know that's cheap commercialism, but the truth of

780
00:47:31.599 --> 00:47:34.119
the matter is that people hang their hats on these

781
00:47:34.119 --> 00:47:37.559
sorts of things. So that's part of the reason, you know.

782
00:47:38.559 --> 00:47:43.079
I think Adam Elliot's movies are extraordinary, and I can't

783
00:47:43.119 --> 00:47:44.920
imagine what sort of it must have been a really

784
00:47:45.039 --> 00:47:50.360
unusual child as well. His mind is it shouldn't be

785
00:47:50.400 --> 00:47:53.280
bottled because we need he was a bit.

786
00:47:53.159 --> 00:47:54.519
Of a I think he said he was a bit

787
00:47:54.519 --> 00:47:56.599
of a loner as a kid and he got bullet

788
00:47:56.840 --> 00:47:59.480
and bullying is another of the issues covered in this.

789
00:47:59.599 --> 00:48:03.199
True Well tell me Jackie score out of ten Memoir

790
00:48:03.239 --> 00:48:05.280
of a Snyle emorated ninety four minutes. What is it

791
00:48:05.320 --> 00:48:05.559
for you?

792
00:48:06.360 --> 00:48:07.199
Nine out of ten?

793
00:48:07.840 --> 00:48:11.840
Mm hmm, Peter, I absolutely love that, can't fault it.

794
00:48:12.559 --> 00:48:18.239
Love the way that Adam uses narration rather than dialogue

795
00:48:18.239 --> 00:48:20.840
between people, so it doesn't have to have mouth movements.

796
00:48:21.039 --> 00:48:26.320
I mean, there's so much of intriguing this beautifully constructed

797
00:48:26.360 --> 00:48:28.280
film ten out of ten.

798
00:48:28.599 --> 00:48:31.840
Oh wow, and I'm giving it an eight. Look. That

799
00:48:32.039 --> 00:48:36.360
is fabulous, really really good. We're limited in our time

800
00:48:36.679 --> 00:48:38.360
and we've got a lot of movies that we haven't

801
00:48:38.400 --> 00:48:42.519
got to I think because not many people have seen it,

802
00:48:42.639 --> 00:48:45.480
but amongst this group. But I think I'll mention from

803
00:48:45.559 --> 00:48:48.719
Hilda with Love and save the others. From Hilda with

804
00:48:48.760 --> 00:48:50.760
Love is an AME rated movie. It runs for two

805
00:48:50.800 --> 00:48:54.000
hours and four minutes. It's a really harrowing World War

806
00:48:54.079 --> 00:48:56.519
two drama, so it sort of correlates if you like,

807
00:48:56.599 --> 00:48:59.480
to Lee. And it's based on the true story of

808
00:48:59.679 --> 00:49:02.800
Hilda and Hands Copy and he was a revolutionary in

809
00:49:02.840 --> 00:49:06.639
Germany when Hitler was in power, and he learned Morse

810
00:49:06.719 --> 00:49:12.159
code to liaise with the Russians. He was together with

811
00:49:12.199 --> 00:49:17.480
others men and women in an eighteen Nazi resistance movement.

812
00:49:18.440 --> 00:49:20.800
The stakes were really high if they were caught, of course,

813
00:49:20.840 --> 00:49:25.119
and he had already spent time in prison. She I

814
00:49:25.119 --> 00:49:28.760
said Hilda and Ann's copied. She was a conservative dental

815
00:49:28.800 --> 00:49:32.639
assistant who was with another bloke when a hands caught

816
00:49:32.679 --> 00:49:35.199
her eye and the pair fell in love. And Hilda

817
00:49:35.280 --> 00:49:38.679
was this really good typist and ended up working with

818
00:49:38.760 --> 00:49:42.039
Hands so he could master Morse code. And then in

819
00:49:42.119 --> 00:49:46.320
nineteen forty two, this pair and other members of what

820
00:49:46.440 --> 00:49:51.719
the Gestapo Red Orchestra were arrested and charged with treason

821
00:49:51.880 --> 00:49:54.880
and espionage. So the story moves back and forth from

822
00:49:54.920 --> 00:49:58.000
her courtship with Hands and their activities with other activists,

823
00:49:58.239 --> 00:50:02.519
to what happens to High Hilda once she has been incarcerated,

824
00:50:03.199 --> 00:50:06.920
and as she awaits a sentence, she reminisces about her

825
00:50:06.960 --> 00:50:10.639
involvement with Hands and their romance being the most beautiful

826
00:50:10.639 --> 00:50:14.719
summer of her life. Their fate may be sealed because

827
00:50:14.719 --> 00:50:18.039
the evidence against them is damning, damning, pardon me, But

828
00:50:18.159 --> 00:50:21.960
she must also contend with giving birth in custody in

829
00:50:22.360 --> 00:50:26.599
harsh conditions. And I thought lively sa Frees was captivating

830
00:50:26.639 --> 00:50:29.519
in the lead role. She commands attention with her portrayal

831
00:50:29.559 --> 00:50:32.800
of humanity and courage, and with our Hilda copes in

832
00:50:32.840 --> 00:50:35.239
the most fraud of circumstances, and what we see is

833
00:50:35.239 --> 00:50:41.239
a remarkable inner strength in her characterization. Johattas Igemann is

834
00:50:41.320 --> 00:50:45.320
more gung ho A's Hands is tall, is dashing, is

835
00:50:45.400 --> 00:50:49.360
driven by the cause, but clearly fools very hard for Hilda.

836
00:50:50.199 --> 00:50:53.880
Another note in the cast is Lisa Wagner, who plays

837
00:50:54.440 --> 00:50:59.360
a sour faced by the rules prisoners called Annalise Kohn,

838
00:51:00.039 --> 00:51:04.679
who over time comes to admire Hilda's kindness and quiet resolve.

839
00:51:05.039 --> 00:51:09.239
The writer Lilah Steiler, I thought she showed an acute

840
00:51:09.239 --> 00:51:13.840
awareness of the human condition in crafting another deeply, deeply

841
00:51:13.880 --> 00:51:18.079
affecting tale. There are no big pardons in Andreas Dressen's

842
00:51:18.119 --> 00:51:20.639
Warts in all direction. He tells it like it is.

843
00:51:21.039 --> 00:51:26.159
He juxtaposes the undeniable connection between Hilda and Hands with

844
00:51:26.239 --> 00:51:30.239
the brutality of the Germans. So it is that the

845
00:51:30.320 --> 00:51:33.880
film's strong production values the ones had come to the fore.

846
00:51:34.000 --> 00:51:38.400
Particularly noteworthy is that the claustrophobia associated with this single

847
00:51:38.519 --> 00:51:43.159
cell contrast to the freedom of camping, which is basically

848
00:51:44.320 --> 00:51:47.079
a key point in the sort of telling the story.

849
00:51:47.360 --> 00:51:50.559
So from Hilda with Love it's reminition of the themes

850
00:51:50.599 --> 00:51:53.599
and the impact of remember the psychological drama The Lives

851
00:51:53.639 --> 00:51:56.039
of Others that came out about eight eight years ago.

852
00:51:57.000 --> 00:52:01.079
This is a really distressing film that not only resonated

853
00:52:01.079 --> 00:52:04.559
with me while I watched the barbarism unfold, but long

854
00:52:04.599 --> 00:52:07.079
after I left the cinema. But you've also seen it

855
00:52:07.119 --> 00:52:09.000
so did you also think highly of it?

856
00:52:09.679 --> 00:52:10.199
Very much so.

857
00:52:10.360 --> 00:52:14.719
Andreas Daisen is an important German filmmaker and what he's

858
00:52:14.760 --> 00:52:20.159
done is he's looked at a resistance movement during World

859
00:52:20.199 --> 00:52:24.000
War Two, anti Nazi movement, a bit like the story

860
00:52:24.039 --> 00:52:27.320
of the White Rose, and he has done a superb job,

861
00:52:27.480 --> 00:52:32.760
if somewhat grimm of course, in documenting this group and

862
00:52:32.800 --> 00:52:37.559
their attempts to overthrow or resist. Certainly the Nazi movement

863
00:52:37.920 --> 00:52:42.400
beautifully told. And it was the opening night film at

864
00:52:42.440 --> 00:52:44.920
the German Film Festival in Australia. Superb film.

865
00:52:45.519 --> 00:52:47.840
Yeah, really superb film. And I mean the other two

866
00:52:47.880 --> 00:52:49.920
of you haven't seen it yet perhaps, I mean, if

867
00:52:49.920 --> 00:52:53.920
you get the chance, pard me say again, yes I have,

868
00:52:54.480 --> 00:52:57.239
Oh you have? I'm sorry, Jackie say what were your thoughts?

869
00:52:58.840 --> 00:53:01.559
Ah? Yes, it was beautiful. They put together beautifully shot

870
00:53:01.719 --> 00:53:06.639
at the contrasts in the two aspects of the Live

871
00:53:06.920 --> 00:53:10.280
their Lives was very strong and it certainly left a

872
00:53:10.400 --> 00:53:14.119
very strong impression right at the end. Was quite powerful.

873
00:53:15.320 --> 00:53:18.760
Yeah, I mean, how do you see It's a totally

874
00:53:18.760 --> 00:53:21.519
different take, but you know you've got the Lee is

875
00:53:21.559 --> 00:53:24.599
the war photographer, and he have got people in the

876
00:53:25.199 --> 00:53:29.159
heart of it fighting the Nazi regime.

877
00:53:30.320 --> 00:53:34.000
In their own way, two different sides, two different stories

878
00:53:35.000 --> 00:53:39.119
in the in the events that no one ever wants

879
00:53:39.159 --> 00:53:44.480
to hear of again. So score out of ten happening again.

880
00:53:44.760 --> 00:53:47.920
Yeah, score out of ten Beta, I love the film.

881
00:53:48.360 --> 00:53:51.920
Nine out of ten Wow from Hildeweth. Love runs one

882
00:53:52.000 --> 00:53:54.480
hundred and twenty four minutes. It's rated. Ma, I'm giving

883
00:53:54.480 --> 00:53:57.559
it an eight out of ten Jackie and a seven

884
00:53:57.599 --> 00:54:02.519
from me and from you, So it didn't didn't affect

885
00:54:02.599 --> 00:54:05.039
you as much as perhaps it could have them and

886
00:54:05.079 --> 00:54:09.280
seven is still a good mark, but it's not a great.

887
00:54:09.039 --> 00:54:13.239
Mark probably just you know, the final scenes of it

888
00:54:13.280 --> 00:54:15.920
were the strongest part of the film for me.

889
00:54:16.079 --> 00:54:20.199
Yes, all right, folks, well, Gregory King, thank you so

890
00:54:20.280 --> 00:54:24.039
much for your contribution. Jackie Hamerton and Pete Brouse. I

891
00:54:24.039 --> 00:54:26.519
appreciate it too, and we will do it all again

892
00:54:26.719 --> 00:54:30.239
next week on First On Film and Entertainment.