Feb. 6, 2025

S04E02: The Brutalist Breakdown: Oscar Predictions and Cinematic Conversations

S04E02: The Brutalist Breakdown: Oscar Predictions and Cinematic Conversations

**Host:** Alex First
**Guest Critics:** Jaqui Hammerton, Sandy Greg King Peter Krause
**Episode Summary:**
In this compelling episode of First on Film & Entertainment, host Alex First is joined by critics Jaqui Hammerton, Sandy Greg King and Peter...

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Season 4

**Host:** Alex First
**Guest Critics:** Jaqui Hammerton, Sandy Greg King Peter Krause
**Episode Summary:**
In this compelling episode of First on Film & Entertainment, host Alex First is joined by critics Jaqui Hammerton, Sandy Greg King and Peter Krause for a vibrant discussion on the cinematic landscape, focusing on the much-anticipated film *The Brutalist*. The critics share their insights on the film's potential to sweep the Oscars, with a lively debate on its merits and the impact of its lengthy runtime of 215 minutes, which includes a unique intermission. The conversation delves into the film's narrative, exploring themes of resilience and the struggles faced by the protagonist, Laszlo Tothe, portrayed by Adrian Brody. The critics highlight the film's exploration of architecture and its raw depiction of elitism and racism, sparking a rich dialogue about the portrayal of historical figures and the emotional weight of their stories. As the episode unfolds, the critics also touch on *A Complete Unknown*, a biopic about Bob Dylan, praising its authenticity and the performances of Timothée Chalamet and Monica Barbaro. The episode wraps up with a discussion on *Maria*, a film depicting the final days of opera legend Maria Callas, which brings forth mixed reviews from the panel regarding its tone and character representation. Listeners can expect a blend of passionate critiques, insightful commentary, and a deep dive into the art of storytelling in film.
**Highlights:**
- **The Brutalist:** A thought-provoking exploration of resilience and artistry, with strong performances and a gripping narrative structure. The critics debate its Oscar potential and the significance of its intermission.
- **A Complete Unknown:** A captivating portrayal of Bob Dylan's early career, featuring outstanding performances and a rich musical backdrop that resonates with both fans and newcomers.
- **Maria:** A controversial depiction of the opera diva's final days, prompting discussions on the film's focus and the portrayal of its titular character.
Join the First on Film & Entertainment team for an engaging episode filled with lively discussions and cinematic insights. Tune in next week for more film reviews and cultural commentary!
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First on Film and Entertainment, and we have got the

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whole gang together. We have got Jackie Hamilton, Sandy k

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Greg King, Peter Krause, and yours truly, Alex first, and

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we are going to do this in a very special

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way because the film that will win the Oscar for

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Best Film and also Best Director and also Best Actor

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is where we should be starting now. I want to

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see whether there's any argument from any of you that

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the Brutalist will win at least those three awards. Does

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anyone want to put their hands up and say no,

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they disagree they won't win those Oscars?

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Sandy, Okay, so now I think it.

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Probably will win, but my argument would be that it

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should not.

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Okay, well, that's a different argument. When we'll get that,

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we'll get to that and down. Okay, okay, so the

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rest of you, you all agree those three?

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Possibly, I think Conclaves now has an inside running for

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Best Film.

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When you say now has base, yes, it's.

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Based on a report from Variety where they interviewed a

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number of the AMPASS voters and many of them pass.

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Sorry, a lot of people won't know what AMPASS is.

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The Academy of Motion Picture Arts and scientists. They run

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the oscars, and so the eleven thousand members of ampass

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part of the OSCAR voting. And so what variety have

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found is that the excitement for the brutalist has calmed

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a little bit.

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Okay, all right, well I'd still be stunned if it didn't.

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So talking about that, let's start there, because it's a

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very long movie. We're talking two hundred and fifteen minutes,

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which translates to what's that one hundred and eighty thirty

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five minutes? And the important part of this and I

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really really like this, and I wonder whether you agree

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with me and our forty minutes in there is an

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intermission and there is a countdown clock. Now I happen

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to Seed at the Classic Cinema and in Elston week

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in Melbourne, and every well, I think eighty five percent

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of the cinema left, basically, and then there was a

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Q outside the bathroom. Sure, we say, and you've got

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to get back on time, because the fifteen minutes is

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indeed just that.

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Now that that's sort of old style.

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I don't know how far back we go when inhibitions

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were common in long movies. Peter, you were around about

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the seventeen hundred, so you'd probably remember when. Yeah, so when,

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because there were quite a number of movies that used

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to have missions. And I mean, I think it's really

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indulgent on the past part of most directors that they

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have long movies without a break. And I'm not just

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talking about people who are of a certain age and

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need a bathroom break.

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But it's a long sit right, whether it's a theater,

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whether it's anything. So any admissions are done. Good idea,

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But we're probably going back, what.

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To the fifties Peter Well Ten Commandments, Cleopatra.

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From Arabia, Gone with the Wind?

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Yes, did God with the Wind have an indission? Did it? Okay?

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In some cinemas in the US certainly did have an intermission?

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Yes, okay, So I thought I saw I saw in

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a small countrytown and I had an intermission.

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Too, Okay, And now I think it's a darn good idea.

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Do you Does anybody disagree that any movie that's over

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a certain length of time, and you know, you can

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nominate two and a half or three hours, should have

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an indimission?

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Do we all agree on that? I don't like the

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words should.

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I would like.

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Them to actually let you know at the start that

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there will be one, because when we went to the

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previews screening, I wasn't aware that there would be and

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I was kind of debating or should I duck out?

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Now when's a good time there? Are you happy when

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an intermission, you know, surprisingly came up? And also if

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at it, like Greg mentioned a country town, then in

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the smaller venues, it's a great idea for people to

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pop out and help candy bar takings, I think.

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Well, it's it's that's It's funny you talk about that

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because with theater, sometimes relatively short plays have an intermission

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for that very reason. Okay, Now, having said that, it's

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extremely frustrating when you're seeing something that isn't very long

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and they do stick an into mission into it.

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So I mean, I'm having a bet both ways here.

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But with regards to a long movie, you know, I

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gave it a point just just for that.

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I thought that was a terrific It was an innovative

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way of looking at it.

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Because we've seen in the past twelve months, we've seen

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quite a few movies that are very long. We've seen

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some other movies that are close enough to three hours,

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haven't we From recollection and Greg in the past year a.

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Few.

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Yeah, don't get so excited when you're talking to me, Greg,

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It's fantastic, Okay. Now, having said that, the narrative in.

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This movie the brutalless very richly woven tale of pain

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and perseverance.

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It unfolds in a couple of parts.

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You've got the first one, which is called the Enigma

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of Arrival, and the second hardcore of Beauty, and then

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there's an epilogue, and boy, that is quite an eye opener,

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so you.

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Certainly wouldn't be leaving before looking at that epilogue.

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The centerpiece is a lauded Hungarian Jewish architect called Laslow Toss,

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a role filled by Adrian Brody, and despite hardship, he

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survives the Holocaust, but he separated from his wife, who's

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the English equivalent name is Elizabeth, played by Felicity.

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Jones, and the young niece of.

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Both Elizabeth and Laslow, whose name is Sophia Rafficassidy, is

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the actor.

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Cast in that role.

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We find out more about what they endured in the

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film's climax. Now, after the war, with nothing left till

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in nineteen forty seven, Laslow manages to find safe passage

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to the United States, and he goes to live and

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work with his cousin Attila Alessandro Navola and with Attila's wife,

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Audrey Emma Laird, run a small furniture shop in Philadelphia,

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and it's also where Laslow receives word that Elizabeth and

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Sophia also manage to see out the war, meant he

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naturally hopes he'll be reunited with him. So Attela accepts

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a special design commission from a man called Harry Lee

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Duren played by Joel Olwen, who's the son of a

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wealthy industrialist called Harrison. So the son is Harry, the

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father is Harrison, and Harrison is a role filled by

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Guy Pearce, and it appears to be a golden ticket,

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this design commission, but that job sets him train an

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ongoing turbulent association between Laslow and Harry and Harrison.

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So there's real tension in that relationship throughout.

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And despite Laslow's creative brilliance, despite his passion, he also

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battles a long term drug addiction. So this is a

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movie that is epic in nature, and it's a real

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portrait of elitism and racism.

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Notwithstanding his achievements, and his acumen. Leslow's forever considered an

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outsider who is not embraced by many and who can

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be discarded at will.

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So power plays in The Brutalist are plentiful the movie itself.

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When I was watching this and Jackie, I think I

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spoke to you, I think it was after. I don't

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know whether it was before or after, but I really

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believed that we were seeing a biopic. I hadn't read

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anything about it, like you, Peter.

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I don't like sort of reading about a movie or

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show before I see it, and I could swear this

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was real. And yet when I went to look at

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it sort of in terms of investigative investigating the movie afterwards,

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I found out that was actually inspired by several real

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life architects and designers, and it's really meant to be

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a bit of a celebration of the triumphs and of

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the most daring and accomplished visionaries.

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Now, obviously it's very gritty, but that was the intent.

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And it's been co written with Moana Fastfold by the

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director Brady Corvett, who did Vox Lux.

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I remember that movie that goes back what six or

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seven years years? Seven years?

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Yeah, it's quite I found the brutless remarkable, insightful and distressing.

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And bear in mind that Adrian Brody has already won

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an Oscar for the Pianist back in two thousand and three.

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He won the Best Actor Oscar on that occasion, and

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I reckon he delivers hugely again, and he really does

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inhabit the tortured soul of laslow Doth like a second skin,

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and he im views Intoth this strong sense of self belief.

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So he's resourceful, he's proud, he's arrogant, combative, and also

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deeply troubled. And the other performance, I mean really memorable,

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turning the movie not as big a role, but still significant.

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Felicity Jones quite stoic and resolute as his long suffering

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wife Elizabeth, who continues to endure, and she comes across

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as intelligent and well considered in the face of physical

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and mental anguish. Now Guy appears, It'll be interesting to

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see whether he secures.

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It's a very strong role.

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I mean, he brings bigoted privilege to the mega rich

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Harrison who's prone to fits of peak. And visually there

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is a grittiness to what we see. The cinematographies by

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Lord Crawley who also shot White Noise, and I thought

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quite something of the dynamic and dramatic score from Daniel Bloomberg.

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So I found it unforgettable. I thought it was bold,

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I thought it was brilliant, and I thought it was

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a captivating production and unquestionably the finest movie of the

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last twelve months.

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So Jackie, I.

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Know that when you saw it, you actually said to

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me you wanted to see it again, So it obviously

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moved you talk to me about your perceptions of the brutalist.

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Well, that was the first thing I thought as soon

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as I saw it. First thing was I did the

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same as you. I went rushing to Wikipedia to drug

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fight and it was actually a true story and because

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I honestly thought it could have could well have been.

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And the second thing was, yes, I need to see

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this again. Unfortunately I haven't had the opportunity yet, but

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I still definitely well, even though today's check is some

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really the point of having seen it, I like you

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felt right from the opening stand this was going to

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be a real feel of a sweeping epic, you know,

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a kind of a big screen story kind of unfold

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over time, really dig deep into these characters, and we

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got what it seemed to be right from the start.

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It comes not just from the direction. I think the

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main thing that comes from is, you know, deep in ADM.

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Brody just draws it out. He's you know.

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He can't put a foot wrong.

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This actor total a list or in everything he's ever done,

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I think, as far as I've seen.

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Anyway, Sorry, let's me ask you a question, Jackie. It's funny.

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There are some actors I totally agree with your assessment.

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Who is the actor Daniel da Lewis who gave up acting?

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He was another in that category. I mean, there are

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very few in this pantheon of actors that they tackle

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roles and you just know that they are going to

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be OSCAR nominated roles. Are you The immersion that they

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have in their characters is a touch above and the

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way they carry their roles.

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That's my view of it, Jackie, keep going please.

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He just lifts it.

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And along with that is normally Guy Piers. I've got

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to admit, not my favorite actor. He I find him

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pretty stilted and wouldn't but in this role, of course,

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as the industrialist, you need a stilted, wooden person. So

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he was. Actually it was actually made for him. I thought,

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I thought he was very good in it as Harrison,

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Long to be interjected and we can't speak about it's

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still sort of the best part of a month away.

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But there's a new Australian movie called Inside with Guy

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it's a very different role. So it'll be fascinating when

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you go and see that movie, Jackie to have that

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comparison to the Guy, because I think he does really

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good job of it, but it's a very different characterization.

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I find he's guy.

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Pers in almost everything he does, but in this case,

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you know, he is great. But one of the overriding

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things for me about The Brutalist was it's actually about architecture,

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which I just love, and I love the immersion in that,

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and I love the obsession with it. In fact, in

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a way, the obsession with architecture and this project that

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goes on through the second half of the film almost

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almost get a reminder there of another film that we

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might get to talk about that's just start open to

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called A Complete Unknown with Bob Dylan, about Bob Dylan's

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obsession with music. So there's a very similar you know, creativity.

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That comes out of these people.

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And I just really enjoyed the way this post war brutal,

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brutalist architecture was explored too, and you know, the shock

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and the you know, getting to know it, and that's

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there was a lot to you know, just not like

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about this film, but actually really feel deeply about I thought,

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and as well as the relationships with the power struggle

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that comes to quite a ghastly climax at one point,

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shall we say? And yeah, so big one for me?

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Yeah yeah, So I mean the movie itself, if you

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take out the fifteen minute indission, three hours twenty minutes.

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I wasn't troubled by the running time at all? Were

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you not?

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At all?

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No?

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I like a long film.

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Don't have a hard enough Well, Peter, you like long film,

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z Peter.

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You know if the film went for twelve hours, you'd

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still be sitting there right, You wouldn't have gotten out

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of your seat.

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So what did you think of the Brutalist Look? I

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liked it very much.

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It is an impressive film. I'm not quite as enamored

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by it as other people are, even though it is

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very impressive. I mean, for example, early in the film,

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there is some clunky dialogue at times, which I felt

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could have been refined a little bit more, because the

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first act does go on a little bit, and what

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Corbet has used is some rather unusual camera angles to

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sort of mimic the sort of the brutalist style of architecture.

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I suppose.

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So look, I thought that was great. Some cinemas are

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screening the original VistaVision print of the film. VistaVision was

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a widescreen format that was introduced in the nineteen fifties,

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was very short lived, and Corbet wanted to reinvigorate Vista

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VI just to show the wide elements of how he

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shot the film. And I thought that was very effective.

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Guy Pierce, Yes, I agree, is very good. He won't

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win the Oscar though Kieran Culkin has that sewn up

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for a real pain. But I think the performances are

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very good.

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Overall.

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I think it goes too much into the financial sort

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of aspects and not enough into the architectural aspects of

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what brutalism is. Yes, I know it's not a buyer

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pick of a real person. It's an amalgam of a

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number of architects who worked in the brutalist sort of fashion. Look,

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there's a lot to admire in the film. I liked

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it very much, However, I wasn't one hundred percent enamored

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by it.

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Fair enough, Well, I mean we should talk a little bit.

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You've touched on it in terms of the brutalist architecture

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and what that style is.

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Really.

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It emerged to me during the fifties, didn't it. I

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mean from recollection sort of reconstruction projects.

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Of the post war era. It was sort of UK based.

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That's my understanding. Do you have a different understanding. I

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mean that's largely true.

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America adopted it very quickly too, with its skyscrapers and

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the sort of approach that it's all very tough sort

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of architecture. It all looks quite awful on the surface,

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but of course it contained some great designs internally.

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Yeah, it was sort of I believe that it sort

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of was a reaction against the nostalgia of architecture in

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the nineteen forties.

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That's sort of sort from the modernist movement. That's kind

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of where it emerged from.

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Because I don't think when you look at the title,

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even though if you don't make the association, I think

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you'd come out of it and say, well, why is

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it called the brutalist if you don't make the link

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to the architecture, so unpleased.

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At least we've discussed that, now, Okay, it was a.

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Post war when the economic times they didn't have, you know,

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the money for fancy buildings.

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Yes, it was, that's true. Yeah, very well, put Jackie,

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because if you look at the style, if you look

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at what Laslow is, I'm sorry, the use of concrete,

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the use of concrete.

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Yes, it's very it's very simple and in some respects,

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mind you, the centerpiece of it. I thought again, the

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use of the sun and all that sort of stuff

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was pretty pretty special, quite frankly. Now, okay, let's go

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to you Greg in terms of your thought process.

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You just saw it recently, didn't you.

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Yeah. I went and saw it on the forty two

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degree day at the Nova Cinema, four hours in the shade.

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Yes, very clever of you. Okay, so did you.

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Definitely.

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But I'm not as enamor of this film as you are.

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It's or anyone else you're not or you, I'm not

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asid commandment. I much preferred a complete unknown for me

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as a better film anyway. But the Brutal is a

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film that certainly deserves to be seen on the big

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screen anyway, because it looks good as in a bold

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and ambitious film, addressing a lot of weighty scenes which

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I already mentioned, you know, the immigrant experience, that sense

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of cultural displacement, and the.

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Sarah American dream and lots more there.

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And there's even some usual footage in here that gives

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us some insight into this industrial period of America in

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this era there. But I thought Kobby's Cobbett's direction was

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a bit unhurried the film like the sense of urgency.

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The production design certainly gave us a strong sense of

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place there, and loal crawl is west taking and often

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bleak cinematography.

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He captures some sark imagery of.

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These architectural structures, and as I think you've mentioned, they're

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often shot from strange and just orientine that just orienting

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di orienting angles. And I thought the color palette gave

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the with a little bit of a gritty edge too.

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Probably called the Brutalist because of its punishing run time.

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Actually and ju USh, yeah, thank you.

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I thought the.

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Leagues were really but you all spoken about that how

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this Ronie and Peers had probably never been better in

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their careers.

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Brady captures Leaslow's fraud character.

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He immerses himself in his driven nature, his addictions, his paranoia,

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his ambition and arrogance, and even his pain. James was

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also strong as the long suffering there's a bet capturing

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her intelligence and storied nature.

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And I thought, I mean, sorry, Greg, let me just

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seem to introdect.

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You've called it Isabit, which is actually her name I

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used just so people won't get confused. The English equivalent

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was Elizabeth, right, so it's a bit Elizabeth.

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Sorry, keep going.

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And I thought he's bought an early qualities of his

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performances to suave but bitter than Van Buren there, and

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he gave this character a sinister edge here. Now my

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things on the title of Brutalist, it does refer to

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Leslow's character through his love of concrete and no stark

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billings here, but to also refer to Van Buren's character

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because of some of his actions here, his nasty, tingy

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as yeah, and also the fact that he sort of

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likes to be in control.

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Dominating and master with his own universe. So there you go.

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But yeah, sorry, but the.

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Film with his punishing, run time, epic sweep and what

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are he seems?

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And blinked Outlook, there's something you have a sloved to

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sit through.

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And I must admit the second half of Me fell away,

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and I found my mind wandering a little bit during

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this second half of the film, which I found not

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as compelling as the first half, and I felt that

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the film lost its.

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Way by the end. Really it's interesting, Okay, I disagree

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with that. What about the epilogue because I thought the

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epilogue was really eye opening?

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Mystery is good but basically no, no, okay, didn't know it?

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Now, Okay, Sandy, you have also seen the Brutalis, so

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we're on this pantheon all this line from brilliant to

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sort of Okay, do you see it?

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Well?

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I think it's a bit better than okay, and quite

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a let loss a lot less than brilliant.

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I did.

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I don't want to go on too long about it,

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because I think we've all talked about it. But I

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think if you walk in there with high expectations, as

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I did, you are bound to be disappointed. If you

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were lucky enough to see it without any expectations, I'm

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sure you'll be pleasantly surprised. I'm not particularly into architecture.

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I think Adrian Brody does a great job in his role.

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I hated Guy Pierce. I thought he acting was absolute shite,

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So I didn't I think it could have been cut

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by at least half an hour or forty five minutes.

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And I don't have any problem with long movies, particularly

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if they have an intermission. But it didn't hold my

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attention the whole way. I thought there were long, long

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holes on shots that weren't necessary, that didn't really connect

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to my emotions at all. I wasn't really drawn into it.

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I can see what you're all talking about who love it,

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But I think there are better movies out there for

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the number one position on the Oscars for sure.

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Wow.

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Okay, m I rated two hundred and fifteen minutes, as

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we've said, three hours thirty five, with a fifteen minute

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in division one hour forty minutes in called the Brutal List.

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So Sandy, let's start with you, because we'll get a

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score out of ten, and this will be fascinating given

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what you've just said.

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So we're well, I think i'll give it a seven.

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Yeah, okay, well that's not a bad mark. But it's

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a it's not great, it's like slightly, it's like it's

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sent me above average. But you know, Greg, Sorry, Greg,

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you what about you?

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I'll do it ship chair in ten.

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Oh my golly, wow.

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The second half they just watched me in the second half.

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Sorry, gee whiz okay, Peter, nine out of ten for

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me and Jackie.

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Well, can I just say, Greg, I noted that you

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said you felt as though it left the sense of urgency,

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but I don't think it was that kind of film,

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So that didn't worry mate. When you already know that

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it's going to be a long film, you're not really

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expecting an urgent pace through the film, or at least

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I wasn't, So that would be my reaction to what

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you mentioned there, especially in the last second half. I

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settled into it. And definitely a nine out of ten.

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From me for the Brutalist, right, and I'll go high

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mark here, nine and a half out of ten for

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the Brutalist. And I would urge people to see it

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because it's a special piece of work.

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You are on jam and please contribute to the station.

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Fifty four bucks a year gets you membership and yes,

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we thrive on that because the station needs money to survive.

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So if you feel so inclined, twenty four to seven

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are programming hopefully a bit of intelligence, a bit of fun,

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and lots of good music.

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So let's talk about.

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The movie that Jackie just referenced, a completeknown the Bob

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Dylan part by opic, and it's emerated this one is

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also a long film at two hours twenty one minutes

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without an intermission.

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And also this.

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One didn't the time, A new one didn't bother me

464
00:24:12.400 --> 00:24:14.519
at all. I was talked the whole time.

465
00:24:14.920 --> 00:24:18.039
But okay, so Greg, let me start there.

466
00:24:18.559 --> 00:24:21.279
You are a Bob Dylan fan, yes, no, but I

467
00:24:21.359 --> 00:24:24.079
like some of his music, Okay, all right.

468
00:24:23.920 --> 00:24:25.960
So I've never seen him live, even though he's been

469
00:24:25.960 --> 00:24:27.200
out here about four times.

470
00:24:27.480 --> 00:24:30.119
Okay, yeah, and you do go along and see quite

471
00:24:30.160 --> 00:24:31.480
a bit of music. So okay.

472
00:24:31.599 --> 00:24:35.079
Having said that, do you think that if you do not,

473
00:24:35.599 --> 00:24:38.440
if you're not a Bob Dylan fan, do you think

474
00:24:38.440 --> 00:24:40.559
you can appreciate this movie and enjoy it?

475
00:24:40.839 --> 00:24:41.559
Yes you can.

476
00:24:41.720 --> 00:24:46.720
There's an enjoyable film, and a concentration about four years

477
00:24:46.720 --> 00:24:49.000
of his life early career gives.

478
00:24:48.839 --> 00:24:52.599
It a strong focus. Now now, yeah, and the music's

479
00:24:52.640 --> 00:24:54.240
great as well.

480
00:24:53.920 --> 00:24:57.559
Sandy, you are somebody who loves your music. Where does

481
00:24:57.559 --> 00:24:59.400
Bob Dylan sit in your your.

482
00:24:59.240 --> 00:25:02.720
Head in terms of of talent? And are you interested

483
00:25:02.720 --> 00:25:05.279
in him, you know, as a musician compared to others.

484
00:25:06.119 --> 00:25:08.519
The only the only album I like from Bob Dylan

485
00:25:09.279 --> 00:25:11.920
is his very last one, this latest one that he

486
00:25:11.960 --> 00:25:14.200
put out a couple of years ago. Now, I've never

487
00:25:14.240 --> 00:25:16.960
been a fan of his music. I do like his poetry,

488
00:25:16.960 --> 00:25:19.559
but I could never stand his voice. I think, in

489
00:25:19.599 --> 00:25:22.680
my opinion, should have stuck to writing lyrics and maybe

490
00:25:22.680 --> 00:25:26.920
maybe done a book rather than some whole bunch of songs.

491
00:25:27.079 --> 00:25:29.559
But I get his appeal for people who could live

492
00:25:29.599 --> 00:25:34.720
with that. I like this movie, although it was too

493
00:25:34.839 --> 00:25:36.720
music driven for my taste.

494
00:25:37.079 --> 00:25:40.759
That's interesting. So it's too music driven where and a

495
00:25:40.799 --> 00:25:42.839
lot of you a lot of what you like his music.

496
00:25:42.920 --> 00:25:45.519
So yeah, but I don't like his music.

497
00:25:45.759 --> 00:25:48.279
I don't like very much from that folk era or

498
00:25:48.400 --> 00:25:51.400
music wise. Maybe that's my age. I'm a little bit

499
00:25:51.440 --> 00:25:54.799
too young for that era. But some of it I liked,

500
00:25:54.880 --> 00:25:55.440
but there was.

501
00:25:57.160 --> 00:25:59.799
Yeah, I didn't really love the music all that much.

502
00:26:00.160 --> 00:26:04.880
This I like the story, I liked the the his journey.

503
00:26:05.279 --> 00:26:09.920
I liked his kutzpah and and his confidence and his cheekiness.

504
00:26:10.599 --> 00:26:13.160
I didn't like the way he treated women, particularly.

505
00:26:14.000 --> 00:26:18.160
I didn't think that the woman, the actress playing Joan Baiers.

506
00:26:19.519 --> 00:26:20.680
Did that very well.

507
00:26:20.680 --> 00:26:22.880
In terms if she was much better looking than Joan

508
00:26:22.880 --> 00:26:26.359
Baiers with whom Bob Dylan had a scene.

509
00:26:26.039 --> 00:26:28.359
I had no problem with that whatsoever, Sandy, you.

510
00:26:28.559 --> 00:26:30.680
Liked the way she looked, Yeah, okay, but it wasn't.

511
00:26:31.200 --> 00:26:35.160
Sorry, that's a very insisious thing to say. I thought

512
00:26:35.200 --> 00:26:38.839
I thought her voice was extraordinary. I really did you

513
00:26:38.880 --> 00:26:41.880
not think she had a good voice. I just didn't

514
00:26:41.960 --> 00:26:42.799
like what they were singing.

515
00:26:42.920 --> 00:26:45.000
I mean, I just I kind of, you know, sat

516
00:26:45.039 --> 00:26:47.000
there through the songs and wanted to get back to

517
00:26:47.039 --> 00:26:47.440
the action.

518
00:26:48.000 --> 00:26:48.319
I like.

519
00:26:48.599 --> 00:26:48.839
I like.

520
00:26:50.039 --> 00:26:51.799
By the way we're talking about, Montice.

521
00:26:51.480 --> 00:26:55.519
Bbarro was what was the machine top Gun? The most

522
00:26:55.559 --> 00:26:56.359
recent top Gun?

523
00:26:57.480 --> 00:26:57.680
Is that?

524
00:26:57.720 --> 00:26:57.880
Why?

525
00:26:59.440 --> 00:27:01.920
That's that's back of my head somewhere, Peter.

526
00:27:02.240 --> 00:27:04.799
Do you know whether Monica Bobaro was in the most

527
00:27:04.839 --> 00:27:05.960
recent Top Gun movie?

528
00:27:07.160 --> 00:27:07.759
I don't know.

529
00:27:07.799 --> 00:27:08.680
I'd have to look it up.

530
00:27:08.799 --> 00:27:10.319
That's all right, No, no, no, that's fine. All right.

531
00:27:10.319 --> 00:27:12.640
Well, let's talk a little bit about the film. Just

532
00:27:12.680 --> 00:27:15.680
so we've got a bit more of a context. So

533
00:27:16.480 --> 00:27:18.559
it focuses, as Greg said, on what he did and

534
00:27:18.599 --> 00:27:21.559
how he did it between nineteen sixty one and sixty five,

535
00:27:21.599 --> 00:27:23.319
so it's a very finite.

536
00:27:22.880 --> 00:27:24.640
Period, the very early days.

537
00:27:24.680 --> 00:27:27.440
And he sort of arrives unannounced with a guitar in hand,

538
00:27:28.160 --> 00:27:30.759
this nineteen year old kid, see me.

539
00:27:30.759 --> 00:27:33.480
Yeah, I'll just interrupted alis shoe whiten top gun Maverick.

540
00:27:34.200 --> 00:27:36.839
Oh, thank you, Greg, I appreciate our good Okay, yeah,

541
00:27:37.440 --> 00:27:41.079
I don't know why, just yeah, okay. Now he seeks

542
00:27:41.079 --> 00:27:44.519
out the legendary Woody Guthrie, who is in a veterans

543
00:27:44.599 --> 00:27:47.640
hospital in New Jersey, and with Guthrie.

544
00:27:48.720 --> 00:27:50.319
Alongside him, is a fellow.

545
00:27:50.359 --> 00:27:54.759
So focusing here of renown in Pete Seeger and Dylan

546
00:27:55.079 --> 00:27:58.359
plays Guthrie, who is in a really bad way. He's

547
00:27:58.440 --> 00:28:01.960
unable to speak. He's actually got Huntingdon's disease. He plays

548
00:28:02.279 --> 00:28:05.880
Guthrie a song that he wrote especially for him, and

549
00:28:05.960 --> 00:28:10.960
both Segre and Guthrie immediately recognize his talent. Seger is

550
00:28:11.000 --> 00:28:14.559
the one who actually opens doors for him, and without pretense,

551
00:28:14.599 --> 00:28:18.079
with just raw talent, Dylan taps into the culture of

552
00:28:18.119 --> 00:28:21.279
that time, and we're talking about eighty war and civil

553
00:28:21.359 --> 00:28:24.480
rights activism being prominent. So the US is sort of

554
00:28:24.480 --> 00:28:29.799
grappling with profound social, political, and cultural upheaval. Now Dylan's

555
00:28:29.920 --> 00:28:34.400
rise is meteoric, so too is his discomfort with the

556
00:28:34.480 --> 00:28:38.319
fandom that follows, notwithstanding his pleasure to receive the endorsement

557
00:28:38.319 --> 00:28:41.000
of one of the biggest names at that time, Johnny

558
00:28:41.039 --> 00:28:44.519
Cash and the film, and this is again where Sandy

559
00:28:44.880 --> 00:28:50.359
references his relationships. The film explores Dylan's intimate relationship, so specifically,

560
00:28:50.640 --> 00:28:52.880
it covers his time with an artist and freedom fighter

561
00:28:52.920 --> 00:28:54.160
called Sylvie Russo.

562
00:28:54.480 --> 00:28:56.640
Now, I didn't better you might be able to explain

563
00:28:56.680 --> 00:28:58.359
this than you usually go a little bit of depth there.

564
00:28:59.079 --> 00:29:03.839
Sylvie Russo is a surrogate for the real life Sues Rottolo.

565
00:29:04.480 --> 00:29:08.799
So I don't understand why they wouldn't have used the Sues.

566
00:29:08.559 --> 00:29:10.039
Rottolo rather than Sylvie Russo.

567
00:29:10.079 --> 00:29:14.079
Do you have any understanding of pardon me, sus didn't

568
00:29:14.160 --> 00:29:15.960
let them use her name.

569
00:29:15.920 --> 00:29:20.400
Some sort of some sort of legal Ah okay, all right,

570
00:29:20.440 --> 00:29:23.680
thank you, I feel well informed now, So okay, So

571
00:29:23.720 --> 00:29:26.839
there were those two characters. Joan Biezacus been the other,

572
00:29:27.359 --> 00:29:30.400
and Dylan is very much painted as this wandering soul

573
00:29:30.480 --> 00:29:34.000
who was sickle in affairs of the heart. And although

574
00:29:34.119 --> 00:29:38.039
he was wholeheartedly embraced by the folk music movement, the

575
00:29:38.720 --> 00:29:41.640
movie A Complete Unknown shows how he upset the status

576
00:29:41.720 --> 00:29:45.799
quo by adopting the electric guitar. Right, that was a

577
00:29:45.839 --> 00:29:48.400
no no as far as the folk movement was concerned.

578
00:29:48.519 --> 00:29:50.920
So everything comes to a head at the nineteen sixty

579
00:29:50.920 --> 00:29:54.599
five Newport Folk Festival. So you know, that's kind of

580
00:29:54.720 --> 00:29:57.079
it's that's the zenith I feel like of.

581
00:29:57.000 --> 00:29:59.160
The film, and I really enjoyed it.

582
00:29:59.160 --> 00:30:01.200
I thought it was a really captured the essence of

583
00:30:01.240 --> 00:30:04.359
one of the most accomplished singer songwriters in history. Co

584
00:30:04.400 --> 00:30:07.359
written with Jay Cox, who did Silence, by the director

585
00:30:07.400 --> 00:30:10.960
of the film James Mangold. Very fine directory actually for

586
00:30:11.200 --> 00:30:13.559
Versus Ferrari was an excellent movie as well that he did,

587
00:30:14.160 --> 00:30:18.200
and his dedication to authenticity I've found really impressive. The

588
00:30:18.319 --> 00:30:21.160
look that the feel, the sound of the times all

589
00:30:21.200 --> 00:30:25.720
captured very skillfully. And as Dylan wrote, dare I use

590
00:30:25.759 --> 00:30:28.559
a cliche? The times they are a change. And the

591
00:30:28.960 --> 00:30:31.279
actors and this is what really I thought that did

592
00:30:31.279 --> 00:30:33.880
a brilliant job. They did their own singing and playing

593
00:30:34.519 --> 00:30:37.920
and because of COVID. They basically had five years to

594
00:30:38.039 --> 00:30:41.839
work on this and that really has paid off. Vocally,

595
00:30:41.880 --> 00:30:44.799
they're awesome, and of course the music. While the music

596
00:30:44.920 --> 00:30:47.319
is that, the hits and the lesson no numbers. And

597
00:30:47.440 --> 00:30:49.839
I happen to be a huge Dylan fan, so I

598
00:30:49.839 --> 00:30:51.400
don't need to say any more than that. But even

599
00:30:51.440 --> 00:30:54.359
if you're not, I think this story is really beautifully told.

600
00:30:54.400 --> 00:30:58.319
And Timothy Chalamay is quite luminous as the enigma that

601
00:30:58.440 --> 00:31:00.759
is Bob Dylan. He's driven by the beat of his

602
00:31:00.799 --> 00:31:04.759
own drum, and he's aloof he's restless, he's unrelenting.

603
00:31:05.440 --> 00:31:08.000
And you've got el Fanning wearing.

604
00:31:07.720 --> 00:31:10.480
Her heart on a sleeve of Silvie Russo, who time

605
00:31:10.519 --> 00:31:14.960
and again had her heart broken, and her adoration and

606
00:31:15.000 --> 00:31:19.119
her disappointment are clearly on show. And I've mentioned Monica

607
00:31:19.160 --> 00:31:23.559
Babaro Melifluis that the tone in her voice she's I

608
00:31:23.599 --> 00:31:28.880
found her quite what's the word revelatory as Baiaz Joan Bias.

609
00:31:29.519 --> 00:31:32.920
I could readily lose myself in those golden tonsils any day.

610
00:31:33.200 --> 00:31:35.519
I'd actually go to a concert that she gives. Her

611
00:31:35.599 --> 00:31:39.200
voice is that powerful and that good. And I really

612
00:31:39.279 --> 00:31:42.160
like Edward Norton as Pete Seeger painted as sort of

613
00:31:42.160 --> 00:31:43.920
one of the good guys whose love of the art

614
00:31:44.400 --> 00:31:49.759
form folk music knows no bounds. And Scoot McNairy is

615
00:31:49.759 --> 00:31:52.279
is quite a tragic but revered figure as the ailing

616
00:31:52.319 --> 00:31:57.319
Woody Guthrie and Boyd holbrook inbues Johnny Cash with muscularity.

617
00:31:57.440 --> 00:32:00.680
So I reckon this is a very very fine James

618
00:32:00.680 --> 00:32:02.519
Mangold is to be congratulated.

619
00:32:02.519 --> 00:32:03.839
Timothy Schelomy o'l.

620
00:32:04.640 --> 00:32:08.000
It captures the essence of a musical genius who refused

621
00:32:08.000 --> 00:32:08.599
to be tamed.

622
00:32:09.039 --> 00:32:13.200
So let's start with you on this one, Peter, what

623
00:32:13.200 --> 00:32:14.880
did you think of a complete Unknown?

624
00:32:15.519 --> 00:32:17.759
I was very impressed by the film because as a

625
00:32:17.759 --> 00:32:21.240
biopic it wasn't afraid to be a warts and all

626
00:32:21.759 --> 00:32:26.680
sort of characterization of Bob Dylan and the way he

627
00:32:26.759 --> 00:32:31.440
did treat women, et cetera, which was very stand offish. Look,

628
00:32:31.720 --> 00:32:38.079
it's remarkably well production designed. Certainly the sixties are really

629
00:32:38.119 --> 00:32:42.599
well evoked, and all the actors, as you said, are excellentists,

630
00:32:42.680 --> 00:32:47.920
especially the ones who singing for themselves rather than being dubbed.

631
00:32:48.440 --> 00:32:52.000
And Chala Maay is superb the in the title role.

632
00:32:53.079 --> 00:32:55.480
Was I really like this film I'm not a great

633
00:32:55.519 --> 00:32:58.920
Bob Dylan fan, but I was impressed by the story

634
00:32:59.440 --> 00:33:03.680
and by the characterization, and by the sixties time period

635
00:33:03.880 --> 00:33:08.359
and how he slotted in to that time period. So yep,

636
00:33:08.440 --> 00:33:10.519
I highly recommend a film.

637
00:33:10.519 --> 00:33:13.519
And Sandy, you start off with some remarks. What more

638
00:33:13.519 --> 00:33:18.519
can you say about a complete unknown? Sandy? Yeah?

639
00:33:18.559 --> 00:33:23.160
Sorry, sorry, I really did like it. It's a great story.

640
00:33:23.839 --> 00:33:28.200
His life is super interesting, especially during that period, and

641
00:33:28.240 --> 00:33:34.319
how you revolutionized the whole music industry is just fascinating.

642
00:33:34.400 --> 00:33:36.839
I hated the casting of the guy who played Johnny Cash.

643
00:33:36.839 --> 00:33:38.960
I thought that was really bad. But I will go

644
00:33:39.000 --> 00:33:41.559
along with you with everybody else.

645
00:33:41.480 --> 00:33:44.880
Apart from apart from.

646
00:33:45.160 --> 00:33:45.880
What's her name?

647
00:33:47.160 --> 00:33:50.359
Was cast well to Baas.

648
00:33:50.119 --> 00:33:52.880
Thank you's character? You okay?

649
00:33:53.279 --> 00:33:56.400
Yeah, but I thought in saying that the acting is great,

650
00:33:56.400 --> 00:33:57.359
the singing was great.

651
00:33:58.119 --> 00:34:00.039
I did. I did really enjoy it.

652
00:34:00.079 --> 00:34:03.000
And it's a long movie, but it didn't feel like

653
00:34:03.000 --> 00:34:05.039
a long movie because he wanted to keep watching and

654
00:34:05.079 --> 00:34:06.279
see what happened.

655
00:34:06.319 --> 00:34:07.720
That moved along very well.

656
00:34:07.839 --> 00:34:08.480
I enjoyed it.

657
00:34:08.920 --> 00:34:12.039
Now, Greg, you said you like this more than the Brutalist.

658
00:34:12.280 --> 00:34:16.199
Yes, I did, but there's any justification I reckon. Timothy

659
00:34:16.280 --> 00:34:21.000
Shell May deserves an oscar, but there, yeah it he

660
00:34:21.000 --> 00:34:23.119
in habits to carry with Bob John From the first

661
00:34:23.119 --> 00:34:24.800
time you see him on the screen with that hat

662
00:34:24.960 --> 00:34:27.320
carrying a guitar jacket, which is straight off one of

663
00:34:27.400 --> 00:34:31.719
his album covers, you accept this is Bob Dylan, isn't.

664
00:34:31.800 --> 00:34:34.880
I mean we talked about great actors. Timothy shallow May

665
00:34:34.960 --> 00:34:37.760
is certainly from I think it was twenty seventeen that

666
00:34:37.800 --> 00:34:40.400
he came on board with Call Me by Your Name,

667
00:34:40.440 --> 00:34:42.159
and boy did he announce himself.

668
00:34:42.199 --> 00:34:45.440
And it's hard to believe he's for such a strong career.

669
00:34:45.639 --> 00:34:48.159
He's only a young guy, right, I mean we're relatively

670
00:34:48.199 --> 00:34:51.320
young guy, so you know, he hasn't been around forever.

671
00:34:51.400 --> 00:34:54.119
But what he touches seems to turn the gold.

672
00:34:54.119 --> 00:34:56.920
And you know, I commend him for that because you

673
00:34:56.920 --> 00:35:00.920
know he's had a huge impact, more than most his age,

674
00:35:00.920 --> 00:35:01.719
don't you agree?

675
00:35:02.000 --> 00:35:04.599
Yeah, well, it's just amazing now that Adrian Radio wife

676
00:35:04.599 --> 00:35:05.800
when he won his first oscart.

677
00:35:06.719 --> 00:35:09.519
Well, I believe he's only twenty nine, isn't Is that?

678
00:35:09.679 --> 00:35:12.119
So that was Aiding Rowe when he won his first

679
00:35:12.119 --> 00:35:16.480
OSCU Yeah, okay, anyway, Look, we've had a number of

680
00:35:16.920 --> 00:35:20.719
music bio pips in recent years things like Bohemian Rhapsody, Rocketman,

681
00:35:21.039 --> 00:35:24.039
Elvis better Man, etcetera. But I think A Completely Unknown

682
00:35:24.119 --> 00:35:26.760
is one of the best entries in this subgenre. And

683
00:35:26.760 --> 00:35:28.880
the fact that it concentrates on one sort of pivotual

684
00:35:28.920 --> 00:35:31.760
period in his life rather than following his entire story,

685
00:35:31.960 --> 00:35:33.559
gives the film a stronger focus.

686
00:35:33.760 --> 00:35:35.400
And and if you're not a particular fan.

687
00:35:35.239 --> 00:35:39.280
Of Dylan Or's music, this is an absorbing biopic that

688
00:35:39.360 --> 00:35:41.199
a chempt to capture the essence of this thing is

689
00:35:41.840 --> 00:35:44.920
prickly elusive and reclusive personality there.

690
00:35:45.079 --> 00:35:46.679
And I thought Timothy Eacheller may.

691
00:35:48.039 --> 00:35:51.320
In Habits of Charactery highlights the contradictions and contrary nature

692
00:35:51.360 --> 00:35:55.159
of Dyllian's character. He delivers his most impressive performance today,

693
00:35:55.199 --> 00:35:57.159
I think. And the fact that he does his own

694
00:35:57.199 --> 00:36:01.480
singing and he captures Dylan's, particularly the sinaty of Nasally style,

695
00:36:01.760 --> 00:36:03.800
added to the film, I thought, and I agree ed.

696
00:36:03.880 --> 00:36:07.960
Norton was superb as Seega, bringing an essential air of

697
00:36:08.039 --> 00:36:09.920
distancing integrity to the character.

698
00:36:10.320 --> 00:36:12.559
I thought, even though you don't like even though.

699
00:36:12.800 --> 00:36:16.400
Sandy didn't like Boyd Hollbrook as Johnny Cashier, he did

700
00:36:16.440 --> 00:36:20.440
capture his signature shotgun style guitar playing though, And I

701
00:36:20.599 --> 00:36:23.159
like the film, I thought, and Peter's mentioned the period

702
00:36:23.199 --> 00:36:28.239
detail is really beautifully done there. The cinematography immerses is

703
00:36:28.280 --> 00:36:31.000
into this aesthetic of New York in the early sixties

704
00:36:31.000 --> 00:36:34.079
where smoke, film, music clubs and all that kind of stuff.

705
00:36:34.199 --> 00:36:36.800
And I thought, I like chat Jank Mangol as a director.

706
00:36:36.840 --> 00:36:39.840
I think his mascularly direction and attention to detail worked

707
00:36:39.880 --> 00:36:40.760
for this film.

708
00:36:40.840 --> 00:36:43.000
And the soundtrack is later with plenty of hits from

709
00:36:43.000 --> 00:36:46.480
the era. So yeah, I like this film for me.

710
00:36:46.559 --> 00:36:48.119
It's one of the rest films for the years so far.

711
00:36:49.000 --> 00:36:51.320
Now I want to ask you about Monica Barbara. You

712
00:36:51.320 --> 00:36:53.519
haven't commented on her. That's saying he didn't sort of

713
00:36:53.760 --> 00:36:54.400
appreciate this.

714
00:36:54.519 --> 00:36:56.159
All right, as John Bayers?

715
00:36:56.199 --> 00:37:01.000
Yeah, okay, fair enough. And what about sorry, Greg say.

716
00:37:00.880 --> 00:37:03.360
I've got nothing really about droned by his to compare

717
00:37:03.440 --> 00:37:05.559
or with. So I'm sure she did with a job

718
00:37:05.559 --> 00:37:07.239
of caption her mm hmm.

719
00:37:07.880 --> 00:37:12.320
The well Jackie, you and Dylan and what do what

720
00:37:12.320 --> 00:37:14.440
do you think of at a complete unknown?

721
00:37:15.000 --> 00:37:15.840
I'm a Gyllan fan.

722
00:37:15.960 --> 00:37:18.159
I've seen him in Melbourne Live twice.

723
00:37:18.800 --> 00:37:21.719
Huh yeah, yeah. Did he have his back to when

724
00:37:21.760 --> 00:37:25.159
he played sorry, did he did he have his back to.

725
00:37:25.119 --> 00:37:25.880
You when he played?

726
00:37:27.039 --> 00:37:29.159
Did he have his back to me when he played that?

727
00:37:31.320 --> 00:37:34.320
He has many times performed on stage and had his

728
00:37:34.480 --> 00:37:37.119
back to your had his back to the audience.

729
00:37:36.840 --> 00:37:37.320
All the time.

730
00:37:37.920 --> 00:37:39.679
Oh, he didn't have another guy, isn't he?

731
00:37:40.039 --> 00:37:43.559
Yeah, when he was at Blues Fester about three or

732
00:37:43.559 --> 00:37:45.079
four years three or four years ago.

733
00:37:45.119 --> 00:37:48.079
Apparently he's had his back to the audience the whole

734
00:37:48.119 --> 00:37:48.639
time you play.

735
00:37:50.320 --> 00:37:52.519
So is that is that about the fandom thing that

736
00:37:52.639 --> 00:37:55.119
is obviously captured that he does uncomfortable?

737
00:37:55.280 --> 00:37:57.639
Yeah? Yeah, or is a looseness on stage?

738
00:37:57.719 --> 00:38:01.440
Yeah? Okay.

739
00:38:02.239 --> 00:38:06.960
Excellent film. It captures that era, It captures the vibe

740
00:38:07.000 --> 00:38:10.079
and the era and this young man sort of you know,

741
00:38:10.159 --> 00:38:14.639
launching himself out into the music world. His obsession with

742
00:38:14.880 --> 00:38:16.400
music is what.

743
00:38:16.519 --> 00:38:18.880
Really comes through in this film.

744
00:38:19.000 --> 00:38:21.079
And I think that you mentioned, you know, him being

745
00:38:21.159 --> 00:38:25.360
thickle with women and that like he was nineteen twenty

746
00:38:25.519 --> 00:38:28.559
twenty one, you know, you know a lot of young guys.

747
00:38:28.920 --> 00:38:31.400
I didn't think it was I didn't think that said

748
00:38:31.440 --> 00:38:35.039
his character so much. It showed what he was up to, yes,

749
00:38:35.519 --> 00:38:37.840
but I didn't judge.

750
00:38:37.559 --> 00:38:41.440
Him really really Okay, that stuns me.

751
00:38:41.480 --> 00:38:44.480
Actually, because I must admit I have felt the same way,

752
00:38:44.480 --> 00:38:47.480
ass Andy. I thought, you know what a heel I like,

753
00:38:48.440 --> 00:38:56.079
clearly the amalgam character that he treated her shamefully. I

754
00:38:56.079 --> 00:38:58.559
didn't think there was any excuse for that anyway.

755
00:38:58.639 --> 00:39:00.719
Yes, years old, you know.

756
00:39:02.159 --> 00:39:04.599
But okay, so I've got no idea. You know, I

757
00:39:04.599 --> 00:39:06.719
don't know his background and how he was brought up,

758
00:39:06.719 --> 00:39:11.719
et cetera, et cetera, but he kind of he sort

759
00:39:11.719 --> 00:39:14.719
of stamped all over her, and I just didn't think

760
00:39:14.719 --> 00:39:15.400
that was appropriate.

761
00:39:15.400 --> 00:39:16.360
But anyway, that's just me.

762
00:39:17.280 --> 00:39:20.000
Well, maybe he wasn't one hundred percent passionately in love

763
00:39:20.039 --> 00:39:24.920
with her, and you know, there were intimate conversations that

764
00:39:25.079 --> 00:39:29.159
this film doesn't make us privy toy. So anyway, that

765
00:39:29.199 --> 00:39:31.719
didn't worry me so much. It was an interesting part

766
00:39:31.800 --> 00:39:36.079
of his growth period here, and talking of it being,

767
00:39:36.280 --> 00:39:38.920
as Peter said, just a very short period of his

768
00:39:39.000 --> 00:39:42.920
life really intensified it for me. And I would see

769
00:39:42.960 --> 00:39:46.280
this film again for every four year period of Pop

770
00:39:46.360 --> 00:39:49.039
Kellen's life if it would done up spell as.

771
00:39:49.159 --> 00:39:51.800
Part seven of Villain's How Old is He Now? Is

772
00:39:51.840 --> 00:39:55.519
eighty three or something? Right? Eighty five? Okay, So Jackie,

773
00:39:55.559 --> 00:39:57.159
you can break that up for me? Shall you.

774
00:39:59.559 --> 00:40:02.400
Three? And so I'm going to interrupt. This film works

775
00:40:02.480 --> 00:40:03.199
much better as.

776
00:40:03.119 --> 00:40:06.639
A film about Dylan that thing I'm not there, the

777
00:40:06.679 --> 00:40:10.960
one where from Todd six differing great?

778
00:40:11.119 --> 00:40:15.199
I agree, yes, yeah, it's it's much more use of

779
00:40:15.239 --> 00:40:16.239
frowd should we what?

780
00:40:16.280 --> 00:40:16.519
Do you have?

781
00:40:17.119 --> 00:40:18.119
An insightful I thought?

782
00:40:20.480 --> 00:40:22.159
Wonder? Sorry, both of you agree.

783
00:40:22.800 --> 00:40:25.320
One of the things that struck me though we talked

784
00:40:25.320 --> 00:40:27.800
about this, that he had they had five years if

785
00:40:27.840 --> 00:40:31.440
you like, in terms of perfecting their singing and whatever.

786
00:40:32.199 --> 00:40:34.159
I think that was a luxury that you know, very

787
00:40:34.159 --> 00:40:37.920
few filmmakers have, and it just because because of the times,

788
00:40:38.719 --> 00:40:40.199
I think that made it a better film.

789
00:40:40.320 --> 00:40:43.119
Do you not agree with that? I'm tired, and I.

790
00:40:43.119 --> 00:40:44.800
Don't know whether the time made it a better film

791
00:40:44.840 --> 00:40:46.679
or not. I think it's just the way to it

792
00:40:46.800 --> 00:40:47.559
all hang together.

793
00:40:47.719 --> 00:40:51.079
It worked from the film in as much as obviously,

794
00:40:51.079 --> 00:40:54.679
if you're going to suddenly adopt the singing of somebody

795
00:40:54.679 --> 00:40:58.519
who still exists, that's a hell of a it's a

796
00:40:58.519 --> 00:41:01.280
hell of an ask right not only to sing, but

797
00:41:01.320 --> 00:41:04.800
to actually sing. In that same show, you've got.

798
00:41:05.039 --> 00:41:07.760
Bipits like better Man of Robin Williams who still around

799
00:41:08.000 --> 00:41:11.960
Rocketman about Elton John who's still around, so that doesn't.

800
00:41:11.679 --> 00:41:15.639
Seem to be an issue. Okay, sorry, Jackie, please go ahead.

801
00:41:15.920 --> 00:41:17.039
I agree with you, Alex.

802
00:41:17.119 --> 00:41:20.360
I think that was one of the pivotal things about

803
00:41:20.440 --> 00:41:24.159
this film that I was gobsmacked when I first heard

804
00:41:24.440 --> 00:41:30.159
Timothy Chalomay singing with Dylan's voice. I was blown away.

805
00:41:30.280 --> 00:41:32.559
I thought he was just spot on with that, and

806
00:41:32.599 --> 00:41:37.239
it really showed a commitment to his craft in that,

807
00:41:37.400 --> 00:41:40.440
and the guitar work as well, and the what's that

808
00:41:40.559 --> 00:41:47.039
thing called the harmonica monitor work that he did as well.

809
00:41:45.199 --> 00:41:50.000
It very please you mention that, Jackie, because that really

810
00:41:50.119 --> 00:41:51.920
was it was very special. Yeah.

811
00:41:51.960 --> 00:41:53.199
I agree, And of.

812
00:41:53.159 --> 00:41:56.159
Course it was also covered that period of time when

813
00:41:56.440 --> 00:42:00.199
you know, as he rose in fame, you know, quite dramatic,

814
00:42:00.800 --> 00:42:04.840
and was dealing with that to then turn his back

815
00:42:04.920 --> 00:42:08.199
on folk music. This is a critical point of the

816
00:42:08.199 --> 00:42:10.679
film to you know, sort of about two thirds through

817
00:42:11.480 --> 00:42:15.280
and goes electric. You know, how his relationship with his

818
00:42:16.400 --> 00:42:21.960
passionate huge following really turns there. That's I found that interesting.

819
00:42:22.440 --> 00:42:23.880
But one thing I would.

820
00:42:23.639 --> 00:42:25.039
Have liked more of there.

821
00:42:24.960 --> 00:42:31.159
Was some uh some relationship with him finding his protest

822
00:42:31.239 --> 00:42:36.360
voice and singing, and that becoming very popular in the

823
00:42:36.440 --> 00:42:37.639
current we saw some of.

824
00:42:37.639 --> 00:42:41.000
The current affairs that was that on the TV usually

825
00:42:41.360 --> 00:42:43.079
was where it came up. I would have liked even

826
00:42:43.119 --> 00:42:45.559
more of that, you know, more setting in the times,

827
00:42:45.679 --> 00:42:47.800
more of what was going on, and I think that

828
00:42:47.840 --> 00:42:51.239
could have feeled me more. But but nevertheless it was

829
00:42:51.440 --> 00:42:52.360
well done that way.

830
00:42:52.639 --> 00:42:53.199
No terrific.

831
00:42:53.239 --> 00:42:56.679
Okay, So let's get some scores. Let's start with you, Sandy,

832
00:42:56.800 --> 00:43:00.119
Complete unknown. It's M rated. It's one hundred and forty

833
00:43:00.119 --> 00:43:02.639
one minutes, two hours, twenty one score out of ten

834
00:43:03.199 --> 00:43:04.960
eight eight out of ten.

835
00:43:05.039 --> 00:43:06.599
Okay, Greg Greek King.

836
00:43:07.199 --> 00:43:11.199
Nine out of ten, m Peter nine out of ten

837
00:43:11.280 --> 00:43:15.320
from me, Jacqueline nine out of ten, and eight and

838
00:43:15.360 --> 00:43:16.079
a half from me.

839
00:43:16.440 --> 00:43:19.280
Well, there's a strong consistency there that is most impressive.

840
00:43:19.320 --> 00:43:23.559
A complete unknown on Jaya, you're talking to Alex First

841
00:43:23.599 --> 00:43:27.760
and Jackie Hamilton, to Sandy Kay, to Peter Kraus and

842
00:43:27.800 --> 00:43:32.440
to Greg King. Now Maria talking about biopics etca em

843
00:43:32.519 --> 00:43:37.039
rated two hours and three minutes. The lauded American born

844
00:43:37.280 --> 00:43:41.079
Greek opera singer Maria Kallis, who lived from nineteen twenty

845
00:43:41.159 --> 00:43:45.719
three to nineteen seventy seven, so a relatively short life.

846
00:43:45.840 --> 00:43:48.639
Her final days are captured in this movie, and by

847
00:43:48.760 --> 00:43:53.519
then her famed soprano voice has gone and she hasn't

848
00:43:53.519 --> 00:43:57.039
performed in years, and she's played by Angelina Jolie. She's

849
00:43:57.039 --> 00:44:00.960
holed up in her luxury Paris apartment with her two

850
00:44:01.039 --> 00:44:05.599
loyal staff for Eruccio and Bruna, along with a couple

851
00:44:05.639 --> 00:44:09.199
of small dogs. I'm sure you would appreciate that, Jackie. Anyway,

852
00:44:09.400 --> 00:44:12.440
she's popping pills as if their lolly is and having

853
00:44:12.519 --> 00:44:17.039
frequent hallucinations. She pines for the love of her life,

854
00:44:17.400 --> 00:44:23.239
shipping magnate Aristotle onases. Now a television crew led by

855
00:44:23.280 --> 00:44:26.679
an interviewer called Mandrax, filled by an Australian actor called

856
00:44:26.760 --> 00:44:31.119
Cody Smith McPhee arrives to film a documentary on her

857
00:44:31.199 --> 00:44:35.239
life and she's prevailed upon to make one final attempt

858
00:44:35.239 --> 00:44:36.519
at singing like she used to.

859
00:44:37.280 --> 00:44:38.920
Which proves futile.

860
00:44:39.480 --> 00:44:42.880
Now in her mind, she remains the diva for which

861
00:44:42.880 --> 00:44:45.440
she was noted as being, and she can be aloof,

862
00:44:45.480 --> 00:44:50.000
she can be dismissive, indignant, but she still covets adoration.

863
00:44:50.639 --> 00:44:54.760
So it's very much an interpretation of Callous's end by

864
00:44:54.920 --> 00:44:59.000
the writer Stephen Knight and the director Pablo Lorraine, who

865
00:44:59.039 --> 00:45:02.440
also collaborated on I'd Say on Spencer, and it flits

866
00:45:02.440 --> 00:45:06.280
between black and white and color interspersed with actual footage

867
00:45:06.440 --> 00:45:10.199
of callous performing, and the picture of painters is hardly

868
00:45:10.239 --> 00:45:14.079
a pretty one. The film reveals how she met and

869
00:45:14.239 --> 00:45:18.039
was pursued by Aristotle on asses while she was still married,

870
00:45:18.679 --> 00:45:22.000
and it details how he did not want her to sing,

871
00:45:22.639 --> 00:45:25.639
and it harks back to her difficult, impoverished childhood with

872
00:45:25.719 --> 00:45:28.920
her sister and how she was estranged from her mother.

873
00:45:29.960 --> 00:45:32.400
And it's difficult to discern how much of what's presented

874
00:45:32.480 --> 00:45:35.679
is actually fact and how much is fiction. One thing

875
00:45:35.760 --> 00:45:39.519
is clear, hers was hardly a trouble free life, and

876
00:45:39.559 --> 00:45:41.920
while watching Marie, I couldn't help but think of Lorraine's

877
00:45:41.920 --> 00:45:45.840
earlier biopic Jackie, that was on the first Lady, Jacqueline

878
00:45:45.920 --> 00:45:50.639
Kennedy on as Eventually, there are similarities in style, elements

879
00:45:50.639 --> 00:45:54.800
of fantasy and whimsy, and Angelina Jolly inhabits the soul

880
00:45:54.840 --> 00:45:56.480
of callous with style.

881
00:45:56.760 --> 00:45:59.400
She sings well. Although I wasn't always sold on the

882
00:45:59.400 --> 00:46:02.880
lip sinking. I found that troubling, especially early on.

883
00:46:03.639 --> 00:46:07.079
I appreciated the representation of the man servant for Ruccio,

884
00:46:07.199 --> 00:46:11.159
and basically he tried everything possible to try to help

885
00:46:11.199 --> 00:46:14.559
Callous in spite of herself having said that, it became

886
00:46:14.599 --> 00:46:17.280
perfectly clear that the end was near and she'd do

887
00:46:17.400 --> 00:46:21.280
what she ultimately wanted to do. Ultimately, there's a turbulence

888
00:46:21.320 --> 00:46:25.440
and sadness about Maria the film and its representation of

889
00:46:25.519 --> 00:46:29.360
a fated songstress who lived for the stage, and as

890
00:46:29.400 --> 00:46:35.360
shown in this movie, she soared and then she stumbled. So, okay,

891
00:46:35.599 --> 00:46:38.880
let's do a comparison here, Jackie, what did you think

892
00:46:38.920 --> 00:46:42.320
of Maria compared to a complete unknown and Maria on

893
00:46:42.360 --> 00:46:43.920
its own?

894
00:46:45.039 --> 00:46:47.599
Oh, Alexa barely gave Maria a pass?

895
00:46:48.360 --> 00:46:49.159
Really? Okay?

896
00:46:49.760 --> 00:46:51.280
Dollars dishwater?

897
00:46:52.360 --> 00:46:52.960
Yeah?

898
00:46:53.039 --> 00:46:56.239
Yeah, so you wanted, you wanted more, you wanted There

899
00:46:56.280 --> 00:46:58.039
wasn't enough substance to it. Is that what you say

900
00:46:59.360 --> 00:47:00.320
you said was it's.

901
00:47:00.159 --> 00:47:03.679
Time too hard to be mysterious and artists, I think,

902
00:47:03.880 --> 00:47:05.760
and I didn't feel as though I got to know

903
00:47:05.880 --> 00:47:12.559
the person. And even Angeline Sholley is highly respect as

904
00:47:12.559 --> 00:47:15.840
an actress. I think she's amazing. She just didn't look

905
00:47:15.960 --> 00:47:18.880
right in this. Maybe she was too beautiful, or maybe she.

906
00:47:18.880 --> 00:47:24.679
Was really that's interesting Okay. I actually thought she represented

907
00:47:25.039 --> 00:47:28.239
Callous very very well. I kind of wondered whether the

908
00:47:28.679 --> 00:47:32.320
whole idea of I'm not sure how many months it represents,

909
00:47:32.440 --> 00:47:35.800
but you know, the focusing on the end of her

910
00:47:35.920 --> 00:47:38.320
life and whatever, I kind of wondered whether that was

911
00:47:38.360 --> 00:47:38.960
the right choice.

912
00:47:39.159 --> 00:47:40.639
Actually, I don't know whether you thought that while you

913
00:47:40.719 --> 00:47:41.480
were watching it.

914
00:47:41.960 --> 00:47:45.159
I think I agree with you on that. There's definitely

915
00:47:45.199 --> 00:47:49.119
something off about it that just didn't get into me.

916
00:47:49.599 --> 00:47:54.000
Yep, okay to jet Yes, I was going to call

917
00:47:54.039 --> 00:47:55.559
you next to Anyways, Where's Go?

918
00:47:56.320 --> 00:48:01.119
This movie focuses only on the last week of life, aptly,

919
00:48:01.320 --> 00:48:04.119
only the last seven days, which seems to be a

920
00:48:04.239 --> 00:48:07.400
very strange choice for somebody who ultimately dies.

921
00:48:07.480 --> 00:48:07.679
Right.

922
00:48:07.960 --> 00:48:12.320
It's very very dark, and I didn't get a sense

923
00:48:12.480 --> 00:48:16.920
of the joy that Maria Callis either felt while she

924
00:48:17.039 --> 00:48:20.000
was singing in her in her heyday or the joy

925
00:48:20.079 --> 00:48:22.440
she gave to an audience. So there was no there

926
00:48:22.960 --> 00:48:26.159
There was no cutting into the timeline to kind of

927
00:48:26.199 --> 00:48:28.800
reflect on what she had been. What we see is

928
00:48:28.840 --> 00:48:33.119
a very sorry woman. I don't think Angelina Jolie was

929
00:48:33.159 --> 00:48:36.239
the right woman to play this part. She does play

930
00:48:36.280 --> 00:48:39.920
it quite well, but she doesn't look anything like Maria Callis.

931
00:48:40.000 --> 00:48:41.679
Maria Callis was chouted.

932
00:48:41.440 --> 00:48:44.320
As being one of the most beautiful women in the world.

933
00:48:44.320 --> 00:48:46.519
But with the end credits role and you see what

934
00:48:46.599 --> 00:48:49.920
she actually looked like. I kind of found myself going

935
00:48:50.159 --> 00:48:54.760
why because she she was no beauty in my humble opinion,

936
00:48:55.199 --> 00:48:56.039
But I didn't think.

937
00:48:56.280 --> 00:48:58.400
I mean, I think Angelina Jolie is a very attractive

938
00:48:58.480 --> 00:48:59.400
lady is, Yeah, I.

939
00:48:59.360 --> 00:49:01.639
Do, But she didn't look a thing like Maria Callis.

940
00:49:01.719 --> 00:49:04.239
I think there are a whole lot of actresses out

941
00:49:04.239 --> 00:49:04.960
there that could.

942
00:49:04.800 --> 00:49:09.239
Have sometimes doesn't matter, you can believe anyway if they didn't.

943
00:49:10.159 --> 00:49:14.079
And I thought that that Angelina was way too skinny.

944
00:49:14.119 --> 00:49:16.840
Now I do know that Maria Callis lost a whole

945
00:49:16.840 --> 00:49:19.519
lot of weight between nineteen fifty three and ninety four.

946
00:49:19.920 --> 00:49:22.400
That made it harder for her to support her vocal parrots.

947
00:49:22.400 --> 00:49:25.280
All about her losing this voice of hers and not

948
00:49:25.320 --> 00:49:26.440
being able to sing anymore.

949
00:49:26.519 --> 00:49:28.079
Right, She suffered from a.

950
00:49:28.000 --> 00:49:34.119
Disease called dermatomysotis, which is an auto autoimmune disease that

951
00:49:34.199 --> 00:49:38.760
causes muscle inflammation and weakness difficulty swallowing. She was nearly

952
00:49:38.800 --> 00:49:41.880
blind on stage. She couldn't see anything anymore. She had

953
00:49:41.880 --> 00:49:45.840
a neuromuscular disease. She was also clearly addicted to speed

954
00:49:45.880 --> 00:49:49.360
and other sedatives, and she was overworked. She was a

955
00:49:49.440 --> 00:49:53.000
shell of her former self, which is okay if that's the.

956
00:49:52.960 --> 00:49:54.599
Bit of her that you want to explore.

957
00:49:55.079 --> 00:49:57.320
Personally, if it was my life, I wouldn't want my

958
00:49:57.480 --> 00:49:59.519
worst bits highlighted like that.

959
00:49:59.639 --> 00:50:02.400
I've at least pay some attention to my best bits.

960
00:50:02.599 --> 00:50:05.960
And that's what the director did, both with the Jackie

961
00:50:06.039 --> 00:50:09.239
film and with the Princess Diana one that he did too.

962
00:50:09.280 --> 00:50:12.079
It wasn't all just darkness.

963
00:50:13.599 --> 00:50:15.880
And rapt to make a film about you will remember

964
00:50:15.920 --> 00:50:18.000
you saying that we'll focus on your best bits sake,

965
00:50:18.119 --> 00:50:18.840
thank you, Jackie.

966
00:50:18.840 --> 00:50:20.280
That would be great, and it.

967
00:50:20.199 --> 00:50:23.039
Was very diplomatically put as well. I thought, it's any

968
00:50:23.199 --> 00:50:25.119
we'll focus on your best bits. But there you go.

969
00:50:25.679 --> 00:50:29.280
Having having said that, it's the down nature of this

970
00:50:29.480 --> 00:50:32.519
that you seem to be picking up on that makes

971
00:50:32.559 --> 00:50:33.800
it a hard watch.

972
00:50:33.880 --> 00:50:35.400
Is that what you're saying? Well, it was.

973
00:50:35.519 --> 00:50:36.519
It was all dark.

974
00:50:36.639 --> 00:50:38.760
There was no light and shade about it at all.

975
00:50:38.800 --> 00:50:41.840
It was just all shade, and as a result, it's

976
00:50:41.840 --> 00:50:43.960
pretty boring. I mean, I didn't really give it down

977
00:50:44.000 --> 00:50:46.159
whether she died today or in a few days time.

978
00:50:47.119 --> 00:50:51.480
Okay, fair enough, there you go straight to the point, Peter,

979
00:50:52.079 --> 00:50:54.840
are you going to give it any any greater credence

980
00:50:55.519 --> 00:50:55.960
than we have?

981
00:50:56.039 --> 00:50:57.360
Thus farn Well.

982
00:50:57.639 --> 00:51:01.320
I admire the director Pablo Lorraine because this is the

983
00:51:01.360 --> 00:51:05.000
third part of his trilogy dealing with prominent women who,

984
00:51:05.039 --> 00:51:07.840
in the last week or so of their life had

985
00:51:07.880 --> 00:51:11.559
to deal with a number of personal issues. And so

986
00:51:11.719 --> 00:51:16.119
I think after Jackie and Spencer and then now with Maria,

987
00:51:16.559 --> 00:51:20.079
he's done a reasonable job in trying to portray that.

988
00:51:20.599 --> 00:51:23.719
And yes, Maria's last week or so of her life

989
00:51:24.199 --> 00:51:27.360
is somewhat darker. It's interesting to note that this is

990
00:51:27.639 --> 00:51:30.920
a semi remake of a film that was made twenty

991
00:51:31.000 --> 00:51:36.239
years ago. Would start Fannie adult as Maria Callous, which

992
00:51:36.320 --> 00:51:39.920
also dealt with the last week of her life, but

993
00:51:40.039 --> 00:51:43.079
dealt with it in a somewhat more positive sort of way.

994
00:51:44.000 --> 00:51:47.400
And there was an excellent documentary Maria by Callous about

995
00:51:47.480 --> 00:51:52.280
seven years ago which dealt with the whole persona of

996
00:51:52.360 --> 00:51:53.119
Maria Callous.

997
00:51:53.320 --> 00:51:55.519
So I didn't mind this film.

998
00:51:55.599 --> 00:51:58.719
I thought he'd done a reasonable job in trying to

999
00:51:58.760 --> 00:52:02.440
portray the personal issues that she had to deal with

1000
00:52:02.519 --> 00:52:05.239
in the last week of her life. I just didn't

1001
00:52:05.320 --> 00:52:09.920
feel that it was a strong enough depiction of Maria Kallis.

1002
00:52:09.960 --> 00:52:13.440
And yes, we had to see the real Maria Kallos

1003
00:52:13.519 --> 00:52:15.400
in the newsreels and so on at the end of

1004
00:52:15.440 --> 00:52:19.119
the film to have perhaps a bit more understanding of

1005
00:52:19.159 --> 00:52:22.840
who she was, although not not particularly much. The Cody

1006
00:52:22.880 --> 00:52:27.599
Smit McPhee character was totally unnecessary and was a device

1007
00:52:27.719 --> 00:52:32.599
put in just to show that she wanted to talk

1008
00:52:32.639 --> 00:52:35.119
about her life, but it was just it didn't do

1009
00:52:35.199 --> 00:52:40.320
anything for me. So look, overall, a mild disappointment, but nevertheless,

1010
00:52:40.320 --> 00:52:43.239
there's enough in the film to admire, and I think

1011
00:52:43.280 --> 00:52:46.840
Angelina Joly did a reasonable job in trying to mimic

1012
00:52:46.920 --> 00:52:50.079
the last week of Maria Kallis's life.

1013
00:52:50.280 --> 00:52:51.719
Now, Greg, we're short on time.

1014
00:52:51.760 --> 00:52:53.679
I'm sorry to say that to you, but what were

1015
00:52:53.719 --> 00:52:56.119
your thoughts about Maria.

1016
00:52:56.639 --> 00:53:00.000
I thought it was super gambat didn't do any more

1017
00:53:00.280 --> 00:53:04.039
the multiple different formats you use, you know, jumps in time,

1018
00:53:04.320 --> 00:53:06.880
there is no real idea of what time frame we're in.

1019
00:53:06.960 --> 00:53:09.960
Half the time and that character that you.

1020
00:53:10.280 --> 00:53:14.119
Alluded to, Peter, the Cody smithmfree character named man rex

1021
00:53:14.280 --> 00:53:16.519
I read somewhere that that's actually the name of a

1022
00:53:16.599 --> 00:53:19.719
drug that Maria Carlis was on. That's where that name

1023
00:53:19.760 --> 00:53:21.320
came from. Shit, he was just a big winute of

1024
00:53:21.320 --> 00:53:24.679
her imagination. Yeah, I didn't like this film at all.

1025
00:53:25.239 --> 00:53:27.480
When you're compared for a complete unknown, this is.

1026
00:53:29.079 --> 00:53:29.480
Awful.

1027
00:53:30.880 --> 00:53:34.719
Okay. So so Greg, what are you giving Maria? Which

1028
00:53:34.760 --> 00:53:37.239
is m runs for two hours, three minutes out of ten,

1029
00:53:38.360 --> 00:53:42.679
four hour ten, four out of ten. Okay, it's sandy.

1030
00:53:44.159 --> 00:53:46.280
I'll give it five and a half, just because I'm

1031
00:53:46.320 --> 00:53:47.159
that kind of person.

1032
00:53:47.400 --> 00:53:48.760
Yeah, they going to Okay.

1033
00:53:48.880 --> 00:53:51.920
Jacqueline, Well, I gave it fast far and a half.

1034
00:53:51.960 --> 00:53:54.079
Two okay, two, five and a half.

1035
00:53:54.239 --> 00:53:57.159
Peter, I gave it six out of ten because there

1036
00:53:57.199 --> 00:53:59.760
are some aspects of it that I admired, and.

1037
00:54:00.199 --> 00:54:02.559
As seven out of ten. So there we go. All right,

1038
00:54:02.599 --> 00:54:05.079
So compared to the others, this is not Oscar witting material.

1039
00:54:05.159 --> 00:54:07.719
Let's be honest. That's what we're all saying. Look, it's

1040
00:54:07.760 --> 00:54:10.000
been a real pleasure, guys, thank you very much. Indeed,

1041
00:54:10.039 --> 00:54:12.639
it's so much better to get you know, not that

1042
00:54:12.719 --> 00:54:14.800
it is male and female, but it's really great to

1043
00:54:14.880 --> 00:54:18.360
have a greater sense of balance than we often do so.

1044
00:54:18.519 --> 00:54:21.159
Thank you very much indeed for your contribution Jackie, Sandy,

1045
00:54:21.679 --> 00:54:24.960
Greg and Peter, and we will do it again very

1046
00:54:25.079 --> 00:54:28.760
very soon. First, on film and entertainment. Enjoy yourselves, go

1047
00:54:28.800 --> 00:54:31.840
to the movies. Enjoy going to the films and being

1048
00:54:31.920 --> 00:54:32.800
dark in places.

1049
00:54:33.079 --> 00:54:34.559
Speak to you very soon.