S03E10: Rootless Cosmopolitans: Theatre Amidst Turmoil

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First on film and entertainment. A
very very good morning to all of you,

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and we have got a cavalcade of
champions today. Jackie Hamilton, very

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good morning. You've been away,
you're back again. It's nice to be

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on board. Thank you, Alex. Now our first things first, you

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went far afield? Did you enjoy
yourself because you went to stick Low Carl's.

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I did. I went way off
the grid. I went to South

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America and did a big, a
very very big five weeks. I was

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away for six weeks around South America, Chile, Argentina, Peru, Brazil,

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and around the Galapagos Ecuador. So
ba adventurous attacked by tarantulas? Were

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you? I did say. I
did meet some tarantulas and they were very

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polite. They didn't attack me.
I did meet some hammerhead sharks out in

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the in the Snorkeling Waters and all
sorts of other critics and had a lot

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of fun. Ah, that's terrific. Nice said you? There as mentioned

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Gregory King exotic or otherwise? What
do you reckon? I very adventurous,

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I know that, but I've read
it. That's about Well, Hey,

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I you're heading where are you heading
later this year? Where you going back

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to Sydney or something. Are you
in Paris? Paris, My golly,

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Peter Krass, we're being left in
the dark here are you? You're going

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to go to dark in cinemas.
That's about it, isn't it. That's

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correct. That's as much journey as
I'll take. Well, look, we've

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got a very very special guest first
up, a writer extraordinaire who has done

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a lot of work and I've got
to say I've seen quite a bit of

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it and have been mighty impressed,
not just saying that, but genuinely so.

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He's got a new play out and
I'm holding his name at abayance for

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the time being. The play is
by Wondrous Theater and it's called Rootless Cosmopolitans

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on at Chapel Off Chapel, one
of my favorite venues. And look,

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obviously we are talking on Ja,
so highly appropriate because being identifiable as Jewish

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today is well, it's more fraught
than at any time since the Holocaust.

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And I can't speak for the rest
of you, but in my case,

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my parents came to Australia to get
the freedom that they didn't get in Europe,

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and unfortunately, many many people,
six million Jews and many others lives

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were lost in the Holocaust. What's
happened since October seven and the Hamas terrorist

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attacks on Israel is despicable. I
mean, the growing diet of anty Semitism

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has been relentless, and that's why
this work is most important. Ron Elaisher

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is the playwright I'm speaking of,
most thought provoking, rootless Cosmopolitans could not

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be any more relevant or timely.
Many words are spoken within the play,

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but the heart of which is really
blatant discrimination. So first twenty minutes,

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well, it's pretty lighthearted, explores
the relationship between self assured Jewish son who

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happened to marry out and his Jewish
mama. But then the tide turns and

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that's where everything really takes off.
So Ron, thanks so much for joining

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me. I haven't spoilt too much
of the plot at this Stagey, When

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and why did you write this play? Well, I originally wrote it a

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couple of years ago when I read
some statistics about anti Semitism, and this

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of course was way before October seventh, which surprised me, and it was

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a response to that. And then, of course, once October seven happened,

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the entire landscape changed, and the
beasts that we refer to as anti

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Semitism had also transformed. So I
couldn't ignore that. I couldn't make believe

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it hadn't happened. So I had. There was a certain amount of rejigging.

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But I didn't want to get in. I didn't want to make it

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a play about the war, per
se, because that's whole subject on its

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own, and a very complex one, and one that's very difficult, I

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think, to approach in a play
without sounding incredibly didactic. It sort of

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he said, she said, sort
of thing. I have also written some

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plays on the subject, but I
doubt they'll ever get onto the stage.

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But this is one that is mainly
about the specific nature of anti Semitism and

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why it's not quite the same as, for example, racism of other kinds.

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There is a difference. Well,
perhaps you can outline what the difference

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is, please go for it.
Well, it's because it's not quite just

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a religion, it's not quite just
a race. We don't fit into any

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easy category. And because we're seeing
people on the right, for example,

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the extreme right, who have been
traditionally anti Semitic, will not see us

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as white they'll see us as non
white, somewhat inferior. But people on

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the extreme left, who this is
the sort of as you like, the

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new anti Semitism, would see us
as the oppressors, would see us as

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part of the sort of white colonialistic
oppressive class wielding all the power. So

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it's this odd thing where you've seen
as being inferior, but you're also seen

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as wielding power, and therefore you're
not only the subject of content but also

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of fear. And it's a weird
position to be in because you can't please

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everybody. In terms of rewriting,
how much of the play was rewritten after

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or since October seven? And how
long did that take? Oh, look,

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it didn't take a long time.
I write fairly quickly. It was

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really mainly I don't want to give
way too much. There's a plot point

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where his life changes. What's made
that happen is in real time the news

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of that October seven attack, and
that leads him to do certain things that

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ultimately lead to quite significant consequences.
So it's really making the trigger for for

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what happens to him, Whereas a
trigger used to be something less well defined

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in terms of who you'd like to
actually go along and see a play,

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rather than saying everybody, is there
a specific target audience here? Is this

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meant to be only a play without
sort of Well I don't see it that

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way, of course, But do
you see this as being entertainment as well

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as education? What would you say? I always try and make every play

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doesn't matter how serious the subject,
and this is a serious subject. I

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always try and inject humor, not
just for the sake of humor, but

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that's because it's the nature of life. Even in the most extreme circumstances,

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people can't help but laugh, and
so it doesn't make it a lot easier.

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Sometimes certain subjects are so intense and
so confronting that you need something to

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live in it a bit. So
yes, I don't think there's any excuse

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for sort of boring your audience to
tears. I think you've got to give

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them something ting onto. That means
that the evening progresses without them looking at

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their watch and wriggling in their seats. So yes, entertainment is important,

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but it should be the sort of
entertainment that when you laugh, you suddenly

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think, oh, hang on,
should I be laughing at that? Shouldn't

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I be laughing, what does it
actually mean so that you go out with

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something to talk about? And from
what I've heard, I think people are

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going out of this play with plenty
to talk about. Well, I found

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rootless Cosmopolitans certainly engaging, quite disturbing. I mean, obviously that's part of

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the message that needs to come through
here. Yeah, definitely. And in

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terms Ofustralia as you see it today, I mean I don't know if you've

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lived here here entire life. I
was born in Israel, but I came

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out when I was eighteen months old, so virtually, yes, virtually or

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entire life. I've never seen it
like it is today, and it's incredibly

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concerning in terms of not just now, but what's going to happen in years

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to come. In the wake of
October seven, how do you read the

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political situation here, Yeah, it's
a massive, massive change. We always

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used to talk about the possibility of
another Holocaust and that sort of thing,

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and it was always a sort of
a theoretical discussion, but without being sort

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of a panic merchant or alarmist.
You know. When I was at the

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rally on Sunday in Melbourne, which
was a rally held against Andy Semitism.

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It wasn't to do with the war. It was basically against Andandy Severns,

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a very comba type of gathering.
And there were people just up the roads,

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separated by two lines of police who
were abusing and screaming and engaged in

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acts of violence, who were protesting
against the rally which was against Andy Semitism.

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Now, how do you justify that? Really, it's just it's extraordinary.

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It really is extraordinary. So where's
the education factor here missing? Because

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it's almost like between the years,
people just don't seem to understand. And

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for example, chance of from the
river to the sea, people don't understand

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even what they're chanting when they're supposedly
against Israel or against Jews. There seems

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to be a total lack of understanding. But there's a lot of conviction.

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There is a tremendous amount of ignorance. But some of it has to be

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willful ignorance. You can't tell me
that professes at a university, some of

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them, you know, who professes
in things like history, etc. That

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they don't know the actual history.
You can't tell me that. It would

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have to be a willful ignorance,
a wilful desire to ignore certain basic known

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facts and I mean facts, And
this is the problem. We're in these

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bubbles where there are no facts anymore, there's no truth anymore. And you

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know, I don't know that education
is the key, unfortunately. I mean,

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the worst holocaust in history happened in
Germany, which is a highly educated

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country at the time. And I
have a friend who works for Courage to

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Care and they go to schools talking
about the cost and she's decided at the

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end of all this, and she's
put a tremendous amount of work and effort

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into it that it seems to be
a waste of time, which is a

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terrible thing to have to say.
So she's going to pull the plug.

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Well, I don't think she'll pull
the plug. I think she's still out

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there trying, but she's not feeling
hopeful. She's not feeling optimistic about the

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effects of how do we address this
as a very real issue that's not just

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going to affect us potentially, but
future generations, And you know, it

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changes the face of the society that's
meant to be care free. There are

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no easy answers. I think I
think the internet has a tremendous amount to

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answer for And I think we need
to become a lot more critical about how

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we use it or misuse it.
And I think the atmosphere out there is

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absolutely toxic. I mean, we
were unable, for example, with this

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play, we were unable to get
any kind of mainstream coverage at all.

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And the word that came back unofficially, not through official channels was this is

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too hot to handle? And why
is it too hot to handle? Because

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people have been intimidated by things such
such as doxing and cancelation and this sort

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of massive online and onslaughts, with
terrible death threats and all sorts of things.

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It's a very toxic, intimidatory environment
out there, and I think the

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Internet's got a lot to answer for
you. We really do need to be

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a lot more active in combating the
algorithm we do. Indeed, look Anton

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beras and is very very strong in
this one. He is the central focus,

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if you like, and he envisages
his mother, who's no longer with

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us within this play as being if
you like, a voice of conscience for

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him. That was obviously a deliberate
ploy on your part. Very strong.

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Indeed, what can you say about
his character in this play. Well,

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I've purposely made him. You know, I don't think he's any worse than

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anyone else as a flawed character.
He's got his plus he's got his minuses.

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I didn't want to paint a picture
that, you know, all the

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Jews out there are saints, but
you shouldn't need to be. You should

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be able to be flawed. You
should be able to make mistakes and say

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the wrong thing and not be pilloried
and not discriminated against. Absolutely well,

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I should finish by asking you the
term rootless cosmopolitans. Let's go into that.

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It's a play that people should see. I've really got to emphasize that,

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and perhaps once we've spoken with you, till you tell people a little

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bit more about it, but overall
tell us about the name and where that

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came about or how that came about. It was coined in the eighteen hundreds

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by a literary critic in Russia who
was referring to people generally whom he felt

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were not suppose good to Russian enough, not patriotic enough, And it did

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to a degree refer at that time
to Jews. But then it was taken

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up with great glee by Stalin,
who specifically used it in relation to Jews,

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and it was a kind of code, if you like, for Jews,

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so that you couldn't be necessarily accused
of anti Semitism. But everybody knew

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what you were talking about. But
you've been used much more recently than that

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it was used by His name has
gone out of my head. And now

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particular colonel in the US Army who
was addressing the GOP in the US and

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made reference to the rootless Cosmopolitans,
and everyone knew exactly what he was talking

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about. So it hasn't lost its
currency. No, it certainly hasn't.

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And look, there's a lot of
self serving in this particular play. There

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are people sort of feathering their own
nests, left, right and center,

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and there is a great deal of
entertainment value, believe it or not,

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in what we've talked about, even
though the subject matter isn't entertaining. So

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I think you've done exactly what you
suggested earlier in this interview that you were

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going to do, so that it's
not just dark, dark dark. And

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there are certainly quite a number of
humorous moments, and probably the most prominent

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of those is the relationship between mother
and son. Correct. Yeah, yeah,

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it's a bit of a double act. And I did make her intentionally

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not your stereotypical Jewish mamma because I
didn't want that. I didn't want it.

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There's a lot of Jewish momma in
her, sorry, I reckon.

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I can recognize my mother in her
as well. Well, well there is,

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but it comes more out of what
she actually says rather than who she

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is, if you know what I
mean. Yes, it's so's she's no

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fool, that's for sure. No, and it's not. I didn't want

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to do a sort of a Neil
Simon. It's not that kind of paths.

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McMillan is the woman who played the
actor who plays the character of Frieda,

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which is the mother, and Ira
is the Anton Bereras and character in

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Riddles's Cosmopolitans. Ron, thank you
so much for taking the time to speak

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with us today, and I wish
you well, not just with Ridless Cosmopolitans,

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but with future work. And I
know you're prolific if you you seem

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to have this capacity to be able
to turn out a lot of material,

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not just here but overseas. And
just a brief plug. This is going

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to continue until when when when does
Rootless Cosmo Boltons go on till the Chapel

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Off Chapel. It's got one more
week, so it ends second of June,

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so you need to get in quickly
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something to us that was on overseas
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year? Yes, hopefully and being
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of the Anne Frank story from a
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couple of awards off for the Broadway
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production for Best Production, Best Solo
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Play. So that the performers,
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Australia or would you bring it's a
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actor and she's originally Australian. She
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bringing it out to Sydney and Melbourne
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yet or time or not yet not
yet, no early days yet, but

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we'll get there to revy well,
I'll keep in touch with you and inform

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our listeners about when that is on. But for the time being another week

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to see Riotless Cosmopolitans at Chapel Off
Chapel Ronalisha, thanks for your time,

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Thank you well, folks, there
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You've got it from the writer's mouth
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And look, it's one of those
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there isn't one answer, but it's
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hounded and a number of them only
in the past week have said that they

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are going to leave the University of
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I mean, that's deeply disturbing,
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is very much. Yeah. So
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do you educate those that don't want
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one another, discriminating against one another, be it anti Semitism, any other

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form of discrimination, is not the
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reckon we're going backwards rather than forwards, which is very very It's not something

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that I want to bring our kids
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Let's move on on first on film
and entertainment to a few other things.

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And I suppose talking about war,
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and it's more cartoon type violence.
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week has been Furio, a Mad
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forty five years of Mad Max.
It's hard to believe that when this was

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formulated as a concept we'd be thinking
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And tell you what, they must
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on this movie, Peter, Do
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how much the action the film itself
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eighty million dollars all thereabouts. Really, I thought it was more than that,

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million. Yeah, again, numbers
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it's more than one hundred million dollar
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in Australia. Yes, yeah,
and it's brilliantly sure. The thing that

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I've got to say, at the
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looks you can see where they've spent
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sounds incredible that the plot is just
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the time, and actually the words
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sounds are certainly not kept to in
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which are quite striking. So,
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ever seen an actor such as Anya
Taylor Joy. She stands out head and

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shoulders because she's so different in terms
of look generally right. In terms of

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her acting ability, she's phenomenal.
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a catwalk in terms of promoting wares
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that angular face of hers, very
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what is a strident revenge thriller.
Furiosa a mad Max Saga fifteen year odyssey

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of a young girl snatched who is
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her way home. And in that
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year old and she becomes a most
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Tayler Joy is Furiosa. Stolen from
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mothers and into the hands of a
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Dementus, and that's the role that
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through what's called the Wasteland and come
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by a character called the Immortal Joe
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got the two of them. You've
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another couple of tyrants that they're both
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the line. Here she undertakes many, many trials that test her resilience.

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killed. So that's as much as
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script in terms of growing back to
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Miller as well as directed a fellow
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Road, which is the previous movie
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are the defining characteristics of this prequel
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looks and sounds magnificent, and I
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You really do have to see this
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Now, if you can afford to
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Imax. It is really really potent. Love the stunt work, the creation

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of the cobble together vehicles, and
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and they sort of crash and bash
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landscape as well, endless sand,
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world that's in chaos. I mean, much of it was shot around Broken

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Hill, so it's ferocious, it's
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the wasteland that is front and center
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action over nearly two and a half
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and inevitable thrills and spills. I
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was really powerful in the lead.
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doesn't take a backward step, really
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determination and ferocity of spirit. Really
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Ayla Brown is that particular actor and
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makes her presence felt. I thought
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I mean, he's a blowhard in
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give a tinker's cast about anyone other
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a history too, because he lost
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he is. But he's like a
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highly capable, tough and persistent character
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Furios's running mate known as Praetorian Jack, so quite a dystopian worldview inherent in

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Mad Max been spectaculally realized and new, and bravo to George Miller for making

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it so. It deserves to do
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a lot of money at the box
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I hope it can do so,
because it's a powerful movie. What

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did you think of it, Peter
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the film as you were. And
I think what this film has done as

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a prequel to the twenty fifteen Mad
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of the origin, story, of
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A future dystopian society is all about
where people are battling for energy, for

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food, for water, for survival
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else. So the problem with this
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a spectacular well made film. It
is beautiful, shot around out back New

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South Wales. It has a lot
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lot of action, a lot of
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empty. I thought there was really
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happened in the screenplay. And for
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if you don't have a strong enough
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money you throw out of film,
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on are not going to mean a
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admit I loved her Anya Taylor Joey. She was great as the potential Charly's

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the on character I suppose in the
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is Pretorious who was sort of the
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weak and really why I'm surprised to
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and the way he interacted with and
your Taylor Joy's character. Look. Overall,

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great film to look at Imax,
I agree, is a great place

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to see it. But if you're
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really gets into the Mad Max saga
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disappointed. Wow. Okay, Greg, did you think more of it than

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I did? Then Peter did it? Rather? I both think more of

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than Peter did. But I quite
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while to get started, but once
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fast and furious there. However,
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reshoot there with the White war boys
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there. I thought some of the
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Fury Road, which for me was
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last decade. Some of the Viles. I thought there was a little bit

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unpleasant, unnecessary in nature, and
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minute running time is a little bit
too generous. This is the longest film

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in the series, and it could
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I think. But I agree that
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she equits herself well in a very
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to say, but what does she
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played the willderness amentis with a broad
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and the looney missing charm that comes
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I think that Burke did have a
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his presence reminds us of those earlier
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There. But this in superb stage
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suntwork are truly spectacular, and unlike
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their multi million dollar budgets and overdose
of c g I effects, Miller prefers

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to use special effects where possible.
I think this makes for a more spectacular

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movie. Some highlights there. Film
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Red Sands jests that provide a perfect
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Simon Duddet is done a superb job
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hue there. And yeah, I
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the biggest screen possible, with full
sound and everything to appreciate Miller's vision to

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best benefit. Okay, well,
Jackie, have you seen the Big Blockbuster

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or not? Yes, I saw
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totally agreeing it's the place to see
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you know, in the action and
the spectacle and the clanking and the sound

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and the noise and the weaponry and
the landscapes and all of that. Everything's

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big. I think of the three
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Peter had to say, I totally
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for what you said, Alex,
yes it looks good, but you know,

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good looks can be only skin deep, and to me, there wasn't

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much under the skin with this and
some of the finer detail of it didn't

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work for me. I found I
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some of the undercurrents and the torture
and the nastiness, and there was kind

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of this threat against Furiosa the whole
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age of ten, this kind of
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which I found disturbing and didn't fit
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was, you know, a big
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the essence of the film. Really, I don't know if you felt that,

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but I see we I was uncomfortable
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to. But you know, it's
kind of like that supercilious way that Chris

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Hemsworth's character had to basically say you'll
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the cage, et cetera. But
I thought they backed away from what was

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pretty nasty as a concept that you've
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backed away from it. You're saying
that backed away, but then they actually

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presented it before they backed away,
so the idea was still there. I

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didn't like that, I found,
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character was kind of really weird.
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was very pronounced, except of course, when Furiosa finally spoke and somehow she

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came out with an American accent.
I mean, where did that come from?

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Was she watching too much TV or
something? Because that was way wrong

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when everybody else had the Australian accents. But Chris Hemsworth or Dementist is kind

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of comic book character. With this
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the motorbike chariot, you know,
the three motorbikes as a chariot. That

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was all kind of cartoon comic book. But it was a different tone from

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where the rest of the film was. It was really odd. And Chris

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Hemsworth like, I'll go to a
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I'll go to a film to look
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good looks of the film. I'll
go to a film to watch Chris Hemsworth.

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great actor or necessarily even a good

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acta. He's very wooden. I
don't know. Did you think he acted

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well in Turns? Well, look, I thought he played a cartoon role,

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and I thought he played the cartoon
role as it was. Did he

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act well? Did he act well? He was wotten. But chris Enzo,

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wait a second, when you say
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Wooden in every movie. So I
think he had a role the plane,

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he played the rock. He hammed
up the role. I mean, I

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thought, you know, and perhaps
that was what was called upon for him

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to do. So he said,
I thought he looked uncomfortable and strange.

404
00:32:35.400 --> 00:32:39.160
Really, but still I'm still happy. I'm happy to I'm not yet,

405
00:32:39.160 --> 00:32:43.839
but I'm not. I mean,
it's even the humor that he was he

406
00:32:43.920 --> 00:32:47.319
was asked to delivering the film.
Even his humor was odd. It was

407
00:32:47.400 --> 00:32:52.640
kind of not funny. It was
sort of childish kind of humor. Here

408
00:32:52.680 --> 00:32:57.640
he is supposed to be leading these
massive armies across the desert and there,

409
00:32:57.839 --> 00:33:01.640
and he's doing silly things and playing
with a teddy bear. Yeah. Well,

410
00:33:02.079 --> 00:33:05.400
well again that was a nod to
his past. I mean, one

411
00:33:05.440 --> 00:33:07.880
of the things that we should be
saying here. It's interesting you said he's

412
00:33:07.880 --> 00:33:10.759
still good to look at. You
know. One of the things I made

413
00:33:10.759 --> 00:33:15.799
a point of saying was that his
opposite number, the star of the show

414
00:33:15.839 --> 00:33:19.440
Furiosa. In terms of Anya Taylor
Jowett. She's also good to look at,

415
00:33:19.440 --> 00:33:22.759
but she's also a fine actor.
And I don't think differently about Chris

416
00:33:22.799 --> 00:33:25.079
Hansworth. I think he's done particularly
well and some of the roles that he's

417
00:33:25.079 --> 00:33:30.519
played, he's done a very very
good job. And I just thought he

418
00:33:30.000 --> 00:33:32.720
had. As I say said before
he's got there, you got to,

419
00:33:32.799 --> 00:33:37.680
Alex, you use the word he's
done a good job, you know mine,

420
00:33:38.039 --> 00:33:45.079
that's not fine acting to say someone
did a great Okay. I mean,

421
00:33:45.119 --> 00:33:50.400
if you're mainly going to be playing
cartoonish characters or you know, Marvel

422
00:33:50.519 --> 00:33:55.240
superheroes or whatever you do, I
suppose that. Look, there are different

423
00:33:55.319 --> 00:34:02.160
representations of that, but Downey Junior
played man like that acted in a very

424
00:34:02.200 --> 00:34:06.599
fine fashion. Yeah, well that
difference. It's funny. I had Robert

425
00:34:06.599 --> 00:34:09.559
Downey Jr. At the tip of
my tongue because he's better at it than

426
00:34:10.000 --> 00:34:14.679
almost anybody that I can think of. Right, So, but if you

427
00:34:14.960 --> 00:34:16.679
it shows you it can be done
well. But what I'm asking is,

428
00:34:17.079 --> 00:34:22.800
can if you go to other characters, Chris Pratton, whatever they did,

429
00:34:22.800 --> 00:34:24.400
they do a better job than Chris
Ensworth is what I'm asking? Yes,

430
00:34:25.079 --> 00:34:29.000
really, Okay, that's it.
Yes, Okay, Well, I'm going

431
00:34:29.039 --> 00:34:31.079
to think I'm going to give this
the high mark without any question of doubt.

432
00:34:31.239 --> 00:34:35.320
Peter's going to give it the low
mark. So let's start with you,

433
00:34:35.440 --> 00:34:39.159
Peter Furioso, right are you?
Are you going to unleash your fury

434
00:34:39.159 --> 00:34:45.159
on a mad Max Saga? I
certainly will. Well, although what I

435
00:34:45.199 --> 00:34:51.159
will say is there was a lot
of employment for Australian actors in the film.

436
00:34:51.280 --> 00:34:53.199
I recognized quite a few of them, so it's good that they got

437
00:34:53.280 --> 00:34:59.840
work. A good spectacle but not
a good screen page. Let me let

438
00:34:59.880 --> 00:35:01.440
me guess I'm going to give you. Have you given them the score yet?

439
00:35:01.480 --> 00:35:06.559
Or have overspoken? Not yet?
Not yet? Okay, I reckon

440
00:35:06.599 --> 00:35:10.320
you're going to give it about a
between a five and a six. Yeah,

441
00:35:10.360 --> 00:35:14.079
I gave it six out of ten. There you go, all right?

442
00:35:14.360 --> 00:35:17.480
Now? Second, I reckon,
Jackie will be next to cab off

443
00:35:17.480 --> 00:35:22.079
the rank, and I reckon you're
you're you're around about the same marker around

444
00:35:22.079 --> 00:35:28.159
the five five mark? Where are
you Jackie? I know I did give

445
00:35:28.199 --> 00:35:31.719
furios Mad Back Saga a six out
of ten, but part of that is,

446
00:35:32.559 --> 00:35:37.920
you know I've criticized, I've given
my critical comments about the film,

447
00:35:37.239 --> 00:35:40.679
and only briefly mentioned the things I
did like, because I think you and

448
00:35:40.760 --> 00:35:45.960
Greek covered that quite well. I
think there's a lot that a lot of

449
00:35:45.079 --> 00:35:51.519
people will enjoy about it, so
I'm not denying that it will appeal.

450
00:35:51.639 --> 00:35:57.440
And also here here on the apployment
of employment of Australians in the industry.

451
00:35:57.559 --> 00:36:00.360
Well, was it too long,
Jackie? Yes, it was, but

452
00:36:00.880 --> 00:36:06.039
I was I was necessary. I
was still entertained for most of the film

453
00:36:06.199 --> 00:36:09.800
quite quite well. So I really
have a problem with the very much,

454
00:36:09.840 --> 00:36:15.360
so very much two hours twenty.
I didn't feel I didn't feel that the

455
00:36:15.920 --> 00:36:19.239
as Peter already covered this. I
thought it was back and forth, back

456
00:36:19.280 --> 00:36:22.760
and forth quite a lot, and
not it didn't advance the narrative. It

457
00:36:22.800 --> 00:36:28.960
wasn't progressive to a you know,
yes, And that's where you get where

458
00:36:29.000 --> 00:36:31.800
boredom sort of does come in.
When you're not seeing a big advance through

459
00:36:31.880 --> 00:36:37.559
the narrative, you're basically going from
fight to fight, right, That's that's

460
00:36:37.639 --> 00:36:42.199
kind of what it's all about in
the endeavor for furiosity to get home.

461
00:36:43.039 --> 00:36:45.559
Now, let me see, Greg, I reckon that you'll probably give it

462
00:36:45.599 --> 00:36:51.639
somewhere between US six and a six
and a half ish, Go on,

463
00:36:51.800 --> 00:36:54.480
what are you going to give it? Seven? Bonanula said, the original

464
00:36:54.719 --> 00:36:59.760
Fury wrote with one of the best
ash films of the last decade or so,

465
00:37:00.000 --> 00:37:01.440
when I had a lot to live
up to and in what Make It?

466
00:37:01.480 --> 00:37:05.400
But I'll still be about seven because
some of the action secreences is a

467
00:37:05.480 --> 00:37:07.079
quite spectacular all right, So what
am I going to give it? Greg?

468
00:37:07.360 --> 00:37:13.079
About nine? Eight? There we
go, So we range from six

469
00:37:13.159 --> 00:37:15.800
to eight average. What you'll mic
is seven. So it makes a decent

470
00:37:15.800 --> 00:37:20.840
film to go along and see it's
not an average because there were two on

471
00:37:20.920 --> 00:37:24.639
six, one on seven and one
on eight. Where's your mats? Two

472
00:37:24.679 --> 00:37:31.719
on six? Yes? Well,
hang on? Well and like doing twenty

473
00:37:32.599 --> 00:37:40.039
twenty seven? Four is six?
What? No, No, it's close

474
00:37:40.079 --> 00:37:44.719
to six point something. Hang on, you said twenty seven, Greg,

475
00:37:44.760 --> 00:37:49.480
twenty eight would be seven. So
Jackie's gully. You're being nitpicky, aren't

476
00:37:49.519 --> 00:37:53.880
you? Hey? We don't have
some three quarters that's my middle name exactly.

477
00:37:54.880 --> 00:38:04.119
Golly, yes, thank you very
much. You're fine, and please

478
00:38:04.199 --> 00:38:09.000
subscribe to all this nonsense. Subscribe
to the staging fifty four bucks for the

479
00:38:09.119 --> 00:38:13.960
year. Go to Jdacy dot com
dot au. And you can hear more

480
00:38:13.960 --> 00:38:20.840
about Jackie's nick nickpicking, witch is
bent and Peter Grause's recalcitrants and the fact

481
00:38:20.840 --> 00:38:24.599
that Greg's team Sin Kilda doesn't know
Aleck find itself out of a wet paper

482
00:38:24.599 --> 00:38:30.480
bag. Greeg do they sorry?
Silence? We're doing sounds of silence?

483
00:38:30.480 --> 00:38:35.679
Are we? Okay? We're doing
that fair enough? We are not plenty.

484
00:38:35.880 --> 00:38:38.119
I'm not pointing today, Alex.
Oh, I'm very disappointed in you.

485
00:38:38.239 --> 00:38:42.639
Greg. In fact, I think
you're you're still supporting your team by

486
00:38:42.639 --> 00:38:45.880
going to the football, which I
greatly admire. So maybe you need to

487
00:38:46.519 --> 00:38:51.880
sort of parley a few of the
apes that are in Kingdom of the Planet

488
00:38:51.880 --> 00:38:54.400
of the Apes so that you become
a little bit more battle hard, Greg,

489
00:38:55.039 --> 00:39:00.960
what do you reckon? Eh,
that'll be all right. Let's talk

490
00:39:00.000 --> 00:39:02.920
about Kingdom of the Planet of the
Apes. M Rted arter than forty five

491
00:39:02.960 --> 00:39:07.800
minutes. Again, a lot of
monkey business here, and it does two

492
00:39:07.840 --> 00:39:12.039
hours twenty five minutes. Does it
need to be two hours and twenty five

493
00:39:12.079 --> 00:39:15.440
minutes, Gregory King? Not many
movies need to be that long, thank

494
00:39:15.480 --> 00:39:21.400
you? I say that now this
is the bugbear of mine. Okay,

495
00:39:21.639 --> 00:39:27.760
so you keep on rabbiting on about
a movie is and so forth determined by

496
00:39:27.800 --> 00:39:30.440
how good or bad it is.
Does two hours and forty five minutes justify

497
00:39:30.719 --> 00:39:35.199
Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes? Peter Krauss, No it doesn't.

498
00:39:35.280 --> 00:39:38.079
In fact, when I had completed
seeing the film, my response was,

499
00:39:38.280 --> 00:39:43.760
this film has one ape too many. Oh okay, so maybe we need

500
00:39:43.800 --> 00:39:50.079
to rape movies based on apes score. So look, this is another reboot,

501
00:39:50.159 --> 00:39:53.840
reset, reconfiguration nineteen sixty eight movie
Planet of the Apes. Charlton Heston,

502
00:39:55.280 --> 00:39:59.760
Well, thank you very much,
bless you, Chelton. I must

503
00:39:59.760 --> 00:40:05.199
be a exactly Roddy McDowell. Has
there been a better than the original?

504
00:40:05.639 --> 00:40:08.840
Yes? No, what's the collective
thinking about that? No? All right,

505
00:40:08.880 --> 00:40:14.280
well this is the tenth picture in
the franchise, so ten Green Bottles.

506
00:40:14.960 --> 00:40:17.639
Does it live up to expectations?
Well, I reckon, yes and

507
00:40:17.719 --> 00:40:23.719
no. It takes place several generations
after the great Ape Caesar passed away,

508
00:40:23.760 --> 00:40:29.840
and he was the one who oversaw
these simons and mankind living in harmony.

509
00:40:29.920 --> 00:40:32.599
But well, what can we say? Things have gone backwards since. And

510
00:40:32.639 --> 00:40:37.400
you've got a young ape who knows
nothing about the outside world called Noah played

511
00:40:37.400 --> 00:40:40.519
by Owen T. He knows nothing
about the outside world, nor does he

512
00:40:40.559 --> 00:40:45.320
know anything about Caesar. He lives
in a rather busy clan, and this

513
00:40:45.360 --> 00:40:52.360
particular clan takes joy in singing to
and training eagles, yes eagles, to

514
00:40:52.519 --> 00:40:58.199
fish for them. So the group's
right of passage begins when Young UN's a

515
00:40:58.280 --> 00:41:01.760
task with securing eagle egg high up
in the mountains and then nurturing them,

516
00:41:01.920 --> 00:41:06.440
and that's the starting point for kingdom
of the Planet of the Apes. So

517
00:41:06.960 --> 00:41:09.920
you've got an imminent coming of age
ceremony for Noah, and that's upset by

518
00:41:09.920 --> 00:41:15.920
the arrival of a human female called
May played by Freya Allen, and that

519
00:41:15.960 --> 00:41:22.119
results in Noah undertaking this grand and
dangerous adventure. So in that guys,

520
00:41:22.159 --> 00:41:28.440
he encounters a wise old ape called
Raka played by Peter McConn, who's an

521
00:41:28.480 --> 00:41:34.679
orangutan, and he remembers he actually
does remember Caesar's teachings of decency and morality,

522
00:41:34.679 --> 00:41:38.280
and he preaches tolerance and peace.
That's racer. So his adversary,

523
00:41:38.320 --> 00:41:45.239
Noah's adversary is a powerful, very
powerful, imposing creature beast called a gorilla

524
00:41:45.320 --> 00:41:51.360
named Silver played by Ekka Darvil,
who heads an adversarial ape army, and

525
00:41:51.760 --> 00:41:59.719
that army's beholden to the narcissistic,
proximous caesar Kevin Durant, who craves technological

526
00:41:59.760 --> 00:42:02.760
knowledg ligion. That's what May actually
has the human being and hence his quest

527
00:42:02.760 --> 00:42:07.239
to capture her. So silver Well
will stop at nothing. This is the

528
00:42:08.800 --> 00:42:15.440
adversary Noah's adversary to track down May, and that involves raiding and torturing other

529
00:42:15.559 --> 00:42:19.880
clans, including Noah's one, and
when his family and friends are captured,

530
00:42:20.199 --> 00:42:23.320
Noah is determined to fight back.
Now at the same time, he's got

531
00:42:23.360 --> 00:42:29.880
a decidedly uneasy relationship with the whip
smart human May and he's trying to figure

532
00:42:29.920 --> 00:42:34.280
out whether he can trust her.
And also the picture is a human captive

533
00:42:34.320 --> 00:42:38.679
called Trevathan, and that's roll filled
by Widiam H. Macy who accepts the

534
00:42:38.719 --> 00:42:45.840
new status quo right where apes rule
and teaches the primate's history. So it's

535
00:42:45.880 --> 00:42:50.199
been written by Josh Friedman who did
Avatar, The Way of Wonder. Where's

536
00:42:50.239 --> 00:42:54.639
Ball who did the Maze Runner and
yeah, so he wes Ball also directs

537
00:42:54.719 --> 00:42:58.760
Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes. It's again it's a good looker.

538
00:42:59.159 --> 00:43:04.000
Visuals are impressed the cinematographer Cula Paidos, who did Jumanji Welcome to the Jungle.

539
00:43:04.360 --> 00:43:07.119
I thought it's done a pretty good
job here, and the sound design

540
00:43:07.119 --> 00:43:10.079
adds to the gravitas in the film. I kin'd have enjoyed that tentative dance

541
00:43:10.119 --> 00:43:14.679
between May and Noah, the human
and the ape, young young ape,

542
00:43:14.840 --> 00:43:20.119
which carried on throughout the film,
and they of course continued to figuratively feel

543
00:43:20.159 --> 00:43:24.400
each other out, so Noah gains
insights. As the story does take shape,

544
00:43:24.719 --> 00:43:29.760
May appears to want to re establish
human control or does she? M

545
00:43:30.199 --> 00:43:35.280
Well, there's a mysterious quality to
Freyer Allen's representation of the human May.

546
00:43:35.840 --> 00:43:37.840
And I thought that Silver quite a
mighty force to be reckoned with as one

547
00:43:37.880 --> 00:43:42.880
of the villains, and the piece
and Echa darvil in costume, well,

548
00:43:43.039 --> 00:43:47.320
I reckon positively fearful. You wouldn't
want to meet Silver anytime soon. I

549
00:43:47.320 --> 00:43:53.800
also appreciated, by contrast to this, the representation of Rakka by Peter McConn.

550
00:43:54.480 --> 00:43:58.920
But again very dragged out two hours
twenty five minutes, as mentioned,

551
00:43:59.199 --> 00:44:02.280
too long have been tightened, it
would have been had greater impact, and

552
00:44:04.039 --> 00:44:07.920
well, not much surprise here.
It sets up for film number eleven.

553
00:44:07.079 --> 00:44:10.719
So yeah, another sequel is on
the cards if this can bring home the

554
00:44:10.719 --> 00:44:16.000
bacon and make enough money. Did
you or did you not enjoy Kingdom of

555
00:44:16.039 --> 00:44:20.920
the Planet of the Apes Gregory King
For a point, I did yes.

556
00:44:20.960 --> 00:44:25.960
I thought some of the special effects
were fantastic here, and special effects have

557
00:44:27.000 --> 00:44:31.519
certainly come a long way since the
nineteen sixty eight original, and a combination

558
00:44:31.639 --> 00:44:39.079
of CGI and motion capture has worked
well. But unlike when Caesar was running

559
00:44:39.079 --> 00:44:44.719
the characters there, I didn't really
feel emotional infested these apes at all.

560
00:44:45.000 --> 00:44:49.400
There. The film does pay homage
to up the Nine Night original, though,

561
00:44:49.480 --> 00:44:52.719
with a couple of scenes that are
reminiscent of that film, especially at

562
00:44:52.760 --> 00:44:55.760
one where the agent on horseback is
chasing a human through a field, which

563
00:44:55.800 --> 00:45:01.000
I thought we captured some of the
region. I also thought this was head

564
00:45:01.119 --> 00:45:05.880
at one stage this was headed down
the path similar to nineteen seventies beyond the

565
00:45:05.880 --> 00:45:08.519
Planet of the Eights, But thankfully
the riders that you've mentioned, they're going

566
00:45:08.599 --> 00:45:13.840
a slightly given direction there. But
it certainly does set the way for a

567
00:45:13.840 --> 00:45:17.119
sequel. I thought there action scenes
are handling quite muscular fashion, but they're

568
00:45:17.119 --> 00:45:22.960
also a little bit Bombassid and over
the top there. The production design respectacular,

569
00:45:22.039 --> 00:45:31.039
especially of the fortress there for the
Proximus and in some dation scenes are

570
00:45:31.079 --> 00:45:36.519
quite well. You wouldn't know this
was shot in Sydney, in more part

571
00:45:36.599 --> 00:45:40.320
because it looks fantastic, otherworldly.
Some were shot apparently in the Blue Mountains,

572
00:45:40.599 --> 00:45:45.480
but they've used green screen effects to
recreate this other world. Who look

573
00:45:45.519 --> 00:45:49.480
there and there's some great production design
there. I thought I would tea you

574
00:45:49.480 --> 00:45:53.400
did a good job as Noah there, but we h Macy was wasted.

575
00:45:53.440 --> 00:45:57.880
I thought he wouldn't given much to
do. But yeah, no, look

576
00:45:57.920 --> 00:46:01.880
it's interesting, but again one hundred
and forty minutes to wait, too long

577
00:46:02.119 --> 00:46:07.119
for what it has to do,
unnecessarily bloated and again it tas it's time

578
00:46:07.119 --> 00:46:10.199
to get started, but it certainly
goes set up the scene for another sequel.

579
00:46:10.880 --> 00:46:17.239
Yeah it does. Okay, Jackie, have you gone ape? I

580
00:46:17.280 --> 00:46:22.039
did not go ape over this film. It didn't really appeal to me at

581
00:46:22.079 --> 00:46:24.920
all. The looks again, as
I mean what Greek says, it looked

582
00:46:24.960 --> 00:46:29.840
good, The production was good,
The CGI is great, but you know,

583
00:46:29.960 --> 00:46:35.480
no better than the previous one was. I just got so bored with

584
00:46:35.559 --> 00:46:39.840
this so I love the opening sequences
of raiding the bird's nests for eggs and

585
00:46:40.000 --> 00:46:45.880
the reason for doing so, but
the story just didn't grab me, and

586
00:46:45.079 --> 00:46:52.199
the characters I just really couldn't care
less about any of them. So I

587
00:46:52.360 --> 00:46:57.400
very quickly lost interest at about the
ninety minute mark, which is about as

588
00:46:57.400 --> 00:47:01.199
long as it should have run.
Okay, that character played by Peter Macon

589
00:47:01.239 --> 00:47:07.039
new wise old or any saying here
reminds me a little bit of Louis Van's

590
00:47:07.119 --> 00:47:12.400
character Doc Jo. Yeah, yeahs
come from the first one. Well,

591
00:47:12.719 --> 00:47:15.039
so, Jackie, I've actually I
think I admire what you've just said.

592
00:47:15.079 --> 00:47:20.519
Then, basically, as long as
you believe a movie needs to last,

593
00:47:20.559 --> 00:47:22.440
that's as long as you stay,
and then at that point you walk out.

594
00:47:22.519 --> 00:47:25.840
So if you thought that Mad Max
was only worthy of sort of let's

595
00:47:25.880 --> 00:47:30.039
say thirty five minutes, then you
could walk out. Then is that what

596
00:47:30.079 --> 00:47:34.280
you're saying? That That is absolutely
not I think we said that off the

597
00:47:34.360 --> 00:47:37.599
top of my head in relation to
this particular film. Don't know, but

598
00:47:37.719 --> 00:47:43.360
I actually think you've got if bodies
rather very I know, I don't know,

599
00:47:43.559 --> 00:47:47.719
I'm going to go I'm denying that
completely, Alex, and I'll give

600
00:47:47.760 --> 00:47:52.679
you a reason why. Yesterday I
went to see I'm patching up on my

601
00:47:52.840 --> 00:47:58.440
films, you see if you following
my long absence, for example, The

602
00:47:58.519 --> 00:48:01.840
Road to Patagonia, which absolutely thrilled
me, having been very close to me.

603
00:48:02.679 --> 00:48:07.480
Yesterday I went to see Radical,
which is the Mexican film in Spanish

604
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about the teacher who engages with students, and that again was fifteen minutes too

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long. But some of the best
parts of the film were in the last

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ten minutes. And there's no way
I would have walked out on that or

607
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seen that as being okay, that's
a cutoff, that long enough, fine

608
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diet. So absolutely I said that
about this film Planet of the Kingdom,

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of the Planet of the Apes,
but I wouldn't say it in general.

610
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I think I'm bringing a big tongue
in cheek here. It's an assessment,

611
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but I wouldn't like you to get
away with it, alex Ah Goey,

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I get away with nothing, Peter, especially I from a calcul translate like

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Jackie and your good self. Did
you find anything to scratch yourself about here?

614
00:48:51.360 --> 00:48:53.039
No? I was looking for a
bit of monkey business, and I

615
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just remembered the nineteen fifty two Howard
Hawk's film, which was much more entertaining.

616
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Anyway, Key, I agree with
you. Radical is a terrific movie.

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Anyway, Greg, your comment that
the film was bloated is one of

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my top words for this film,
because a script editor was definitely needed for

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this Kingdom of the Planet of the
Apes film. The first half hour of

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the film just leads nowhere. It
just tries to establish character but doesn't do

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much at all, and by the
time we get to some nitty gritty aspects

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of the story, it's not terribly
interesting story because it's just revolving around the

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typical apes versus humans sort of trajectory, which I find quite tiresome unless they

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can find a way of dealing with
that in a more creative and interesting sort

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of way, especially if we're talking
about different battles and approaches by two adversaries.

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So overall, yes, the special
effects are great, the CGI,

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the motion capture, everything beautifully done. It's just a shame that it's such

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a hollow and bloated story. I
was very disappointed. Well, okay,

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so we're going to go story.
We're going to go scores here, starting

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with Peter, who is again the
disappointment capital of the Kingdom. So we're

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going we're going to say, we're
going to say that I don't hold whether

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you're going to pass this one,
Peter. So you know, let's say

633
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maybe a four or five. Where
are we the Kingdom of the Kingdom of

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Dean play of Apes, the Disappointment
of the Kingdom. I love it.

635
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I aware that. Okay, I
give it five ound of tend Okay,

636
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I was right there, Jacqueline and
he saw ninety minutes of it. What

637
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would you just give that ninety minute
score? I'll also say about a four.

638
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Go on, Well, actually,
I've just snuck under Peter there with

639
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a four point five because I did
want to fail it, but I don't

640
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know what any to mean. Hey, it's still a fail. He's a

641
00:50:54.679 --> 00:51:00.400
four point five. Yeah, a
point is a fail. Okay, great,

642
00:51:00.480 --> 00:51:06.199
Yeah, but but there's an average
again, there's an average of nearly

643
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five, isn't there Jackie four and
three quarters? So far we're at four

644
00:51:08.800 --> 00:51:14.719
and three quarters. Okay, Gregor
is going to pass this one. I

645
00:51:14.800 --> 00:51:16.480
reckon, I'm going to do it
ships six and a half. Hang on,

646
00:51:16.519 --> 00:51:20.960
I was going to say sixty.
Let's spelt my fun again. So

647
00:51:21.320 --> 00:51:23.079
that's my that's my role in life. It is. So what am I

648
00:51:23.119 --> 00:51:25.840
going to give it? Greg?
I'm probably going to give about eight.

649
00:51:27.800 --> 00:51:30.800
No, no, I'm not going
to be that generous. I reckon seve

650
00:51:30.840 --> 00:51:34.960
and a half. Yeah, I
reckon it's worth about a seven yeah,

651
00:51:35.079 --> 00:51:37.000
something like that. Yeah. So
okay, what's the average jackie? It

652
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passes correct? Well it was Greg, six or a six and a half.

653
00:51:43.519 --> 00:51:46.000
No, no, well I want
we're out to confuse six or six

654
00:51:46.079 --> 00:51:49.639
and a half? Sis six and
a half? Yeah, six and a

655
00:51:49.719 --> 00:51:52.639
quarter given a Jackie six and a
quarter, so we've got an eighth.

656
00:51:52.679 --> 00:51:55.800
Do you want to sort of add
that up with your you know, get

657
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along to your little comes to five
five points six eight seventy five, which

658
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is a pass. But may welcome
to the first first on film and mathematics.

659
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Do you want to start a podcast
on mathematics? Jacqueline, you've come

660
00:52:21.039 --> 00:52:23.400
back from the bush. No,
you've come back from the natives and the

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00:52:23.559 --> 00:52:29.440
bungle. The hours on jungle,
I'd forgotten what it was called. Yes,

662
00:52:29.519 --> 00:52:34.159
exactly. Oh golly, so go
make a geography as well then,

663
00:52:35.559 --> 00:52:38.719
yes, Rootless cosmopolitans, fokes,
monstrous theaters. Put it on a chapel

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off Chapel and I look. I
thought it was a very interesting story because

665
00:52:44.320 --> 00:52:49.880
a lot well Ronald Iich has managed
to sort of take a story that could

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00:52:49.880 --> 00:52:53.599
have been very very heavy, and
there's lots of smiles and laughter and so

667
00:52:53.679 --> 00:52:58.679
forth within it, but it's still, you know, rather rather compelling,

668
00:52:58.719 --> 00:53:04.159
and it talks about in terms of
a person who's at the top of an

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organization using their power in terms of
board members and whatever to if you like,

670
00:53:12.599 --> 00:53:16.039
strength, flex their muscles. That's
one of the themes. I'm deliberately

671
00:53:16.079 --> 00:53:22.320
trying not to spoil a surprise for
anybody, but it's a very interesting piece

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00:53:22.360 --> 00:53:25.800
of theater and well worth looking at. So go along and see it Rootless

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00:53:25.840 --> 00:53:30.119
Cosmopolitans if you get the chance in
the next week. We've been promoting it

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heavily and given wrong the chance to
do so likewise, and it raises some

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00:53:32.360 --> 00:53:37.599
important issues beyond that. Thank you
one and all, and we'll do it

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all again very soon. First on
film and entertainment. Thanks Jackie, Thank

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you Greg, thank you, Peter
Grause,