S03E09: Love-All or Fault? Dissecting the Drama in 'Challenges'

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First on film and Entertainment, Alex
First with you alongside Greg King and Peter

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Krause. Gentlemen, very warm welcome
to both of you. I'm going to

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start by talking about one of the
greatest individual efforts on the stage that I

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have ever seen. And I want
to ask you, Greg, you know

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the name Ruth Beta Ginsburg, do
you not? Yes? She is a

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Supreme Court justice in America. Here
is a documentary about her and also a

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bioped recently. Yes, so,
Peter, you would have seen one or

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both of those two. Absolutely,
yes. Yes, there was also a

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film made about her early life too. Yes. Well, this is a

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Sydney Theater Company production obviously touring.
It's on at Playhouse Art Center Melbourne.

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Saw it on opening night, which
was Friday evening. Oh my golly,

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well, look, this is just
a virtuoso performance by Heather Mitchell. She

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metamorphous sizes into Ruth Bader Ginsburg and, unquestionably, as I said at the

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outset, one of the greatest solo
theatrical offerings this country has had the good

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fortune to witness. If you get
the chance, I know you don't like

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theoter, Greg, Peter, Rather, Greg, I reckon you would love

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this. I think Peter, you'd
love this as well. She was the

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second woman to be appointed to the
US Supreme Court, and Mitchell talks about

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her lover, family, the law, and opera, and of course she's

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also passionate about gender equality and abortion
rights. It starts from a position where

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she struggled to gain a foothold in
the legal profession, even though she topped

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her year at Columbia Law School in
New York. And she had three strikes

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against her, Namely, she was
a woman, she was a mother,

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and she was Jewish. Now you've
got to remember the time that this was.

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And even though the marks were there, her intelligence was unquestioned. People

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were reluctant to give her the ants. But when she did get it,

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she was nothing if not fiercely intelligent. She was thorough, she was vociferous,

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and she prosecuted case after case,
many high profile for win after win.

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So it starts in nineteen ninety three, and that's when Ginsburg's preparing to

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meet the then US President Bill Clinton, and he has to decide whether Ginsburg

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will fill one of nine positions on
the Supreme Court bench. So after their

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meeting, she nervously awaits a phone
call that will determine her fate. One

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of the many distinguishing features of this
exquisite offering by HEATHERN. Mitchell is her

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ability to mimic the voices and accents
of some of the key players in rbg's

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life. And we're talking about her
beloved husband Marty and three Presidents Clinton,

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Obama and Trump. Resonating throughout this
discourse are the words of her mother which

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call upon her to hold her outrage
and that in her strict adherence to her

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belief in setting the judiciary from the
executive and as to that latter, much

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to her chagrin, she slipped up
badly only once, and she spoke out

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against Donald Trump during the twenty sixteen
presidential campaign. She was a huge backer

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of Hillary Now. She had earlier
survived a tatar tate with Trump's predecessor,

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Barack Obama, during which she encouraged
her to step aside for a younger female

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representative, and she took to exercise
late and also became a cult figure,

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a pop icon known as they Remember
This the Notorious RBG, which was a

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play on the late rapper Notorious Big. And she then graced the cover of

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Time magazine she had people taking selfies
with her, She was made into a

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meme. She had cups, she
had t shirts, she had bagsporting her

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visage and did you know that she
was I wasn't aware of this, that

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she was known to her love ones
as Kiki. Did either of you know

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that? No, that was a
nickname given to her by older sister Marilyn,

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who tragically died from meningitis at the
age of six, And the monica

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was afforded because it's said that as
a young and she used to kick her

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legs all day, so she became
Kicky. Grief and overcoming diversity, well,

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they were themes that resonated throughout RBG
of Maty One. Still, Mitchell

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manages to channel the remarkable life of
Ruth Bada Ginsburg with heart and soul,

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with warmth, with human humanity,
dynamism and dexterity, and she's flawless,

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readily portraying RBG is feisty and formidable, just her, with only a handful

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of props holding us the audience riveted
for one hundred minutes without interval. Beautifully

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written by an Australian British playwright,
screenwriter, novelist, librettist lawyer Susie Miller,

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who did that brilliant production of Prime
of fac Is. She wrote that

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and it moves back and forth in
time, so stirring operatic interludes Ad Gravitas,

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and the composer and sound designers Paul
Charlier so too. The well realized

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color palette in the lighting design by
Alexander Balage, the costuming by the way,

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leisurely exercise gear, judiciary robes,
you name it by set, and

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the costume designer David Fleischer. That's
noteworthy as well. It is the complete

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package RBG at medi One. It's
triumphant, it's dramatic at times comedic,

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totally enthralling, directed with a plumb
by Priscilla Jackson. Do not miss it.

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If you see one production this year, this is the one you should

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see. That is why I'm starting
this week's program with RBG of medi one

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on at Playhouse Art Center, Melbourne
until the twelfth of May. So I

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mean, I hope I've wheted your
appetite, Gregory King, not really alent

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why it's such a response to what
I've just said. I've seen the documentary

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and the couple of films. It
it's seeing what it is anymore, because

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I mean, it's like you don't
understand the difference between theater and film when

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you've got it well, but when
you've got no but when you've got a

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human being in front of you,
Greg, and you actually see it's that

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extra dimension that it adds. That's
the one thing. I love movies,

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absolutely do all them. That's why
I love IMAX in particular, because you

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know, when you've got that extra
dimension there, it brings it closer to

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the closer to it, but it
brings you closer to the action. But

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there's nothing like anything can change from
night to night in theater. And they're

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right, that's the thing that is. I don't know where I honestly don't

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know whether you you see enough theater
to appreciate the difference, and that difference

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is really marked when you see something
of it. I've seen the others as

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well, and I thought they were
terrific, but this is really a cut

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of ARP. This is this is
one of the best things I've ever seen.

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Greg. So anyway, I mean, you don't I'm not forcing you

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to go, but I was just
disappointed in your reaction. That's on.

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So I'll put that on the record
now I'm sorry to disappoint you, Alex,

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but well that you do. And
as far as you're concerned, Peter,

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you're lost, aren't you correct?
You're totally lost. If there's a

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film version of that theatrical production,
I'll be happy to look at it.

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Are going, both of you.
This is a very very bad start,

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all right, We are right on
eighty eight FM. I'm deflated after that.

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Having said that, let me talk
to you about The Fall Guy,

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which, well, it's fun.
I mean, there's lots of action,

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there's airy scenes, there's eye jinks. It's a romantic comedic drama. It

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runs for a bit two hours and
six minutes and it's rated him. Colt

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Siever's played by Ryan Gosling. What
a fine actor he is and Emily Blunt

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likewise. He loves his job,
he loves his life, and he's a

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big movie stunt man. And he's
a body double for an arrogant action star

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called Tom Ryder played by Aaron Taylor
Johnson. More than that, though,

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Colt Sievers is head over heels for
a camera operator called Jody Marino. That's

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the role filled by Emily Brunt Blunt
rather and she aspires to be a director,

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So the two of them, Willy
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as he says, he's working with
his dream girl on a dream job,

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and of course they love the moments
they steal away together. But Ryder

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doesn't like to see Severs hog the
limelight and so that cannon does involve reshooting

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scenes. Riders indulgences This is the
Big Action star played by Aaron Taylor Johnson

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are countenanced by his longtime producer Gail
Meyer played by Hannah Wattingham, who recognizes

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there's big money to be made by
satisfying her charge. And then on one

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such reshoot, everything goes horribly wrong. A free fall ends tragically with Severs

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breaking his back and that puts him
in a dark place, which sees him

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push Marino away, even though she
wants to be there for him. So

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we move on eighteen months and he's
in a dead end job parking cars for

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a living. Then he receives an
unexpected call from the producer Gail Meyer,

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and she tells him that Marino is
making her first movie, which is an

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alien fantasy, and wants Sever's back
on set, this time in sunny Sydney.

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For anyone else Severs would say no, but this is not anyone else.

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In fact, Meyer has lied to
Sever's about Marino's wishes. Rena had

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no idea Maya was calling Sever's and
truth be told, Tom Ryder has gotten

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in with a rough crowd and gone
missing, and Meyer is anxious to track

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him down before the movie goes bully
up, so that becomes Sever's job,

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alongside shooting stunt scenes and winning back
Marino's broken trust and heart. This time

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though, instead of shooting blanks,
the bad guys mean business and at the

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helm of the fall guy is former
real life stunt man David Leach. She

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did Fast and Furious, Hobbs and
Shaw, among other movies, and the

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script is from the Hobbs and Shaw
screenwriter Drew Pierce, based on the TV

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series of the same name that ran
from nine eighty one to nineteen eighty six.

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Leave ages. Of course, it
was cult Severs in that television series,

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But the key to this is orchestrated
mayhem, explosions, car chases,

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rollovers. They are par for the
course. It all looks mighty impressive overlaying.

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It is good natured nonsense and it's
a tribute also to the unsung heroes

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of Hollywood. Of course, the
stunt performers no shortage of in jokes by

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way of references to other movies.
Some of the stunts, by the way,

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in this stunt laden movie are spectacular
individually also collectively. Gosling and Blunt

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perfectly cast an easy going, natural
chemistry between the pair, and both,

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let's be honest, a mighty fine
and likable actors, so they click from

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their first scene together. They even
managed to pull off a series of cheesy

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one liners that liberally populate this It's
in the realm of pure escapism and fat

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It's lightweight entertainment that you can just
allow to wash over you but enjoy at

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the same time. Hannah Waddington is
a regular presence as the pushy producer hiding

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a dark secret. Her deliberately ingratiating
performance really serves to irritate, just as

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it's meant to. And Aaron Tayler
Johnson well captures the petulance of the action

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hero who thinks far too much of
himself. Shot on home Soil, I

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mean that should go down a tree
with local audiences. Sydney looks great and

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it is loads of fun. Filmmakers
have thrown the kitchen sink at it with

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big name stars at the helm and
it works. And I've got to say,

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do not leave before the final credits
because the behind the scenes footage of

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the stunts is well worth seeing.
Did you like it, Greg King?

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I thought it was a bit of
fun, said. Some of the sunt

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work here is fad Jessican, but
the plot itself is so generic and it's

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basically hawk of which to ham that
these fanjastic sons highlight for me with the

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chasing, the skip across, through
the career control, through the streets of

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Sindeo, over the bridge and everything
Sydney looks great to gain them and see

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why they shotted here, And this
fill gets by on the chemistry between Blunt

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and Bozzling alone, they great,
but I just thought the chemistry was fabulous

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between the pair. Really, I
think that parish the film a little bit.

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I think that's really good. There
also behind the scenes stuff about how

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some of these sons operate is also
fantastic. The Sun Ben and and some

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heroes of the film industry risking life
and limb for the sake of entertainment.

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There and there have been a couple
of films that have explored the role Southman

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Rovabody Hooper the Burt Reynolds film,
in which he was a Vesterment Sudman in

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the Rivalry with a younger up and
coming Sun and played by Jan Michael Vincent,

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and of course the Southman was Seving
Ralph Back and Pedero Toole. But

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this one is a lot of fun
and the sunts a truly fantastic I like

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the Hannah Wantington Parris issue is a
bit of a nass fall out during the

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scenery. There Aaron Taylor Johnson,
okay, as the arrogant, nacistic action

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hero who does I'm usually talking up
to does his own stunts. But as

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I said, the plot is a
little bit unbelievable, a bit far fetch.

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But yeah, look I was on
screen. It's always a lot of

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fun. And there are a couple
of delightful last minute cameos here that sort

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of set the scene. So it
is a bit of fun. Leave your

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brain at the door, Yeah,
I mean that's true. And I'm just

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trying to think have there ever been
any more Has there ever been any more

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stunts in a movie? There was
just so many of them, and I

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kind of wondered that the other four
pardon me, John D four. Yeah,

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but I mean the fight, the
fight in the middle of the Trump's

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and there's tumble down the stairs fighting
and Piggy all the way. I do

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you remember that? But I'm just
saying that that the sheer volume of one

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after another after another, I mean
the full Obviously, it's called the full

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guy for a reason. The other
is the fall guy. Also because you've

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been set up, say to blame
for a grime. Correct absolutely double double

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meaning correct the other aspect here,
Peter, I want to know now what

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fall guys? Well, what stunt
men get paid and women? I'm curious

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because you know, they very rarely
get the claim that they deserve. And

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it just got me thinking, well, you know, how do you if

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you make a living as a stuntman
in Hollywood? What what would you get

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paid compared to the millions that the
stars of the films get paid? Any

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idea? No, But Yakima Kannut, who was a famous stunt man in

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Hollywood, often commented on how such
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allocated to stunt people and to other
effects. I'd like to think that maybe

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that's changed somewhat but perhaps that it
hasn't. I mean, surely the danger

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money alone, you'd have to be
because I wonder how many of them.

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Can you imagine doing this for a
living, you know, crashing into things,

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being rolled over, et cetera.
What it does to your body long

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term? Can you? I just
you know how you would know nothing about

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this beta because it's about sport,
but you know, concussion and things of

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that nature, which it's being talked
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It have to that would have to
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stunt people, would it not?
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trained, very carefully trained and certainly
present day stunt people are very careful about

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how they look after themselves and to
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a film. So so, I
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you enjoy this, Peter or not? So so? I I found this

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a rather flashy, underwritten film in
many respects. I thought the murder plot

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development was ridiculous. I thought some
of the characterizations, like Hannah Waddingham who's

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channeling Olivia Coleman eating the scenery was
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well matched. Yes it's well shot, Yes there are some good special effects.

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But I still remember the days of
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of Buster Keaton's films. Sorry,
I mean you were already in midlife at

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that stage, won't you, Bruno. That's flattering yourself. I mean,

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can you actually can you tell me
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Can you know, perhaps take us
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of a dissertation. Well, I'd
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difficult because watching tell television by candlelight
was ridiculous. Please please, please go

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on in Neanderthal and you keep going, Okay, Well, I just wish

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the script was better written, and
because I hark back. Apart from the

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Keaton films, which are full of
wonderful stunts, the nineteen eighty film that

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Greg refers to, The Stuntman with
pedro O'tole, which had a really good

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storyline and dramatic effects in it,
and the TV series with Lee Major's as

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you mentioned, was very good as
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which is about oh fifteen, twenty
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an early stuntman and his travails.
Look. Yes, it's flashy, it's

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well done, it's quite good to
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it was strong enough in terms of
the writing and in terms of the storyline,

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and that's what I always look for. That I would agree with you,

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Peter and Greg as well in that
regard that it's it's it's not the

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best written film ever made, but
I suppose I took it for what it

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was, as I say, lightweight
entertainment. I'm going to give it the

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highest mark, I believe out of
all of that. So let's start with

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you then, Peter, because you'll
give it the low mark as usual,

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the full guy m he did run
for two hours six minutes. And your

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score, Yeah it's okay, five
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I expected. I should have said
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be a little bit more generous.
What are you going to going to give

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it? As I thought? And
I'm giving it a seven and a half,

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So there you go. I should
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before you give them, mate,
rather than sort of say commenting afterwards.

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That is that correct? Now I
want to go to a movie with a

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Jewish theme that opens this week and
it's opened at film festivals and it's opened

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abroad. It's called Golder, and
it's PG rated. It runs for one

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hundred minutes, and it's about Israel's
first and only female Prime Minister gold in

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my ear, who served in that
capacity from nineteen sixty nine to nineteen seventy

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four. And not surprisingly, she's
painted as tough and unrelenting. So the

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greatest challenge for have you ever seen
a movie with more smoking in it?

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Please? Can you explain that to
me better? Good golly, that was

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humble, seriously, your heavy smoker, and that was aloud in the time

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Ian, including in the hospitals apparently, Yeah, but not just her.

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Greg, Like, if you don't
have a cigarette in your mouth, you're

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not an actor. It's kind of
like it's almost it's almost like lighting up

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itself as a character a way of
coping with stress. Don't you think that's

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the old save you've been a theater
put it how it should know. You've

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got to give the people stuth to
do with their hands. Right. I'm

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not going to even comment on that
any further, Greg, but thank you

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for that. Look the greatest challenge
for Gold in my ear was navigating a

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conflict that could have finished Israel for
good, which was the Young Kippor War.

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And the Israelis really were caught napping
when Egypt and Syria launched a coordinated

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attack or attacks plural on Israel on
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And I mean, wider does that
day resonate? Well, it was one

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day before fifty years on we have
the war that Israeli is currently fighting in

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Gaza, So I mean, yeah, anyway, we'll get back to that

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in a moment. Although intelligence had
suggested war was imminent, the Israelis hadn't

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mobilized earlier when they could have,
and that had to do with Hubris as

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much as anything else. So Golda
deals with that three week war and it's

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aftermath. I'm talking about the Young
Kipure War, focusing on the pressure that

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the Prime Minister was under. Gold
I'm talking about the movie. So what

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was kept secret at the time was
that she was also fighting cancer. But

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the movie isn't just about her.
It's also about those around her, including

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her then Minister for Defense, Mosha
Diane, who's painted in a very negative

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light and Chief of Staff David Dardo
Elazar, So how many troops to mobilize

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at the outset. That was just
one of the points of contention. Vital

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to the outcome of the war was
support from the Americans, and that's where

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the Prime Minister's relationship with the US
Secretary of State Henry Kissinger was critical.

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Goldemeyer was also born in America, so

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they had a very strong relationship.
The movie that's Born in Russia. I

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was born in Russia and then went
to America. Is that right? Radith

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raised in America? Thank you you, yeah, thank you Greek. Sorry,

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I apologize and thanks for correcting me. The movie juxtaposes gold as political

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whiles with the close ties she had
with a longtime personal assistant and confidant,

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Lou Kadar, and the war devolves
to an individual level when the son of

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a typist within Goldameyea's ministerial department is
called into service. It's been written by

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Nicholas Martin, who was responsible for
writing Florence Foster Jenkins, and is directed

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by Guy Nativ who did the movie's
skin and Well. He was born in

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Israel. This is Guy now TIV
the year the war broke out and grew

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up with stories about the war.
It deals with the politics of the time

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that's integral to the ultimate success that
Israel had, but that was far from

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easy or straightforward. As he's shown
in this movie. Helen Miren makes for

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quite an astounding Golden May her representation
of the PM uncanny in terms of movement,

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the makeup artist. They've done an
extraordinary job with the prosthetics, the

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air and more, and the actual
story unfolds through visions that May has while

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relaying her take on what happened to
a Commission of Inquiry that was assembled in

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nineteen seventy four to investigate why this
was allowed to happen and they didn't do

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more to prevent it from happening,
et cetera. The Omkeipol War and all

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the failings that went along with it
and the lead up to it. So

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Mirran represents Maya's weary, but to
termin and defiant Camille Cotton paid it as

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devoted in Stoic as personal assistant Luke
Adar, who comes out as Maya's rock,

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so also impressive. I thought Liv
Schreiber as the Krmen measured us Secretary

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of State Rotim Keenan is a straight
shooter. All businesses Zvi Zamia no Pun

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intended with the words straight shooter.
Who was ahead of Masad, which was

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Israel's national intelligence agency. I'd mentioned
before. I was a bit intrigued by

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the representation of Bosha Dian by Rami
Herbo Hoboger as rattled after he flew to

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inspect the extent of the initial impact
of the war on Israeli fighters. He's

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seen as not really capable, which
I found rather interesting. But this remains

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very much Helen Mirren's film. She
doesn't put a foot wrong. It's tension

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filed. It requires concentration to follow, though it won't be everybody's cup of

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tea. I actually I don't usually
do this because I don't have time,

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but I was prevailed upon to do
an interview with the director of this movie,

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which I did on Friday, and
I spoke to Guy and I TIV

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about it, and he said,
look, it totally changed. This was

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going to be an eighty million dollar
blockbuster and it was all going to be

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based on action and then COVID hit
and they had to rewrite the movie.

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They shot it during COVID, they
had to sort of they did a total

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retake, a rewrite, They introduced
that character of the personal assistant, and

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you know, totally changed from a
movie that was based on eighty percent based

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on action to it based on meetings. That's what you get here. So

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I mean the budget would have been
a fraction of what it originally was set

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out to be. I'm not sure
whether that eighty million was an actual figure

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or it was just a generic commentary
about how big a film it was going

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to be before COVID. So look, it's a movie, as I say

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that, it's not going to be
everybody's cup of tea. But it plays

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out through those meetings that Prime Minister
has, the phone call she took and

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made, rather than through the actual
fighting that took place and underlying it as

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Goldenmaya's personal travails. I mean,
she's seen through it all as dignified and

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determined. And one thing I really
did notice was an effective device the use

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of close ups and extreme close ups
that focused on gold in my ear.

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You know, her eyes for example, they're served up, they're presented as

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windows to her soul. So the
directors ensured that the intense pain, the

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scrutiny, the decision making of the
Times are writ large. That was my

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take on Golder. Peter, What
about yours? Yeah, I agree with

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you. I think it's a really
well produced film. And I similarly also

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spoke to Gay Native about making the
film, and he gave me that the

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same information that you've just mentioned,
especially Nicholas Martin, who wrote the screenplay,

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who did a great deal of research
to be as accurate as possible about

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the meetings that took place, the
smoking and that everyone was smoking. Oh

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boy, it's amazing. We could
see the film from the smoke. You

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needed a filter or something to be
all right, So look it. As

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the film developed and turned into this
production that was shot in London, I

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think it actually is quite effective in
terms of portraying the steely eyed nature of

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Golden Maya and her approach to defending
the attack that happened from Yom Kippur in

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nineteen seventy three, and also the
way she defended everything that she did and

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was very resolute in trying to save
as many lives as possible. It was

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great to see Liev Schreiber as Henry
Kissinger. I think he does a very

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good so yeah, in the role, and it was good to see Israeli

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at Leo Ashkenazi as one of the
defense members in the cabinet. So look,

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it's a it's a well made film. It's a it's a pared down

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film. It isn't as expansive as
I would have liked in so far as

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knowing more about Colder Maya background,
et cetera. Although guy did say that

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they're making a mini series about Golden
Mayir at the moment. But overall it's

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a well made film. And we
should mention that guy Nativ who directed the

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film, has an Oscar because he
won an Oscar for his short film Skin,

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which he then eventually turned into a
feature film. So yes, I

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thought it was a pretty good film. What about you, Greg, Well,

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when I was watching, I thought
of you, Alice, at all

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the smoking scenes there, and I
thought you'd shake your head that Yes,

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that's probably the name of realism there, and Alen Aran is almost unrecognizable.

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Here is Golden with all our makeup, which apparently took about three and a

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half hours every day to put on
well in fact, But I asked that

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question, did you you as well? Peter? Did you ask that question?

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About how long it took, and
this was the answer. She got

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in at four point thirty in the
morning. It took three and a half

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hours to put it on, and
it took an hour and a half to

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take off every day. And I
said, well, and how long did

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you shoot for? Thirty five days? Greg? You worked that out thirty

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five days times five hours, right, just for the makeup. I'm amazing.

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I agree with you. I mean
it's also I mean, guys said

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that Helen Mirren's seventy eight. Is
that right? That's her age? I

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don't know, but I mean she
did it. I thought she was remarkable

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in this, Greg, did you
not? Yeah, she is really stronger.

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I would like your seeing that other
version with some more of the action

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scenes in there as well, because
you're hearing about a war and seeing that

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you it will be detached from what
it was, but it just feels up

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the suspense there of what's happening there, especially for those who aren't sort of

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aware of the history of how we're
all unfolded there. But it's quite a

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revelation into what actually happened there as
well. Leave sure I beg all right?

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As Henry Kissinger in a small role. But this is Helen miren stim

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I think, and she sort of
rises to the occasion and it delivers a

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great performance there, conveying both her
strength, their intelligence, but also that

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vulnerability there she's undergoing that fight with
cancer and that fear she says is they

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every take in the air of every
tape, tel Aviv, I don't want

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to be a prisoner. You know
that, So you know it shows the

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strength of character of her. Remarkable. There have been some parallels drawn with

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the Iron Lady, of course came
afterwards, but I mean they were different

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characters, there's no question about that. So yeah, I mean it's a

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it's a strong film, but it's
do you agree with me, both of

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you that it's not going to be
everybody's tea Hello? Well, I don't

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know, it could be. Well, I just think that it's for those

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people who want action. It's not
that sort of movie. It's action in

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a different sense. It's tense from
meetings rather than whatever. I think.

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I mean, I still think it's
a worthy film, don't get me wrong,

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But it'll be interesting to see what
sort of audience it gets. I

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reckon I'm going to get. Well, Okay, I think we'll probably be

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reasonably similar in terms of scores within
a point here. Let's start with you,

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Greg Golder, PG rated, and
it runs for all of one hundred

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minutes six and a half the seven
mm and you better. And we should

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also mention that the film was USCAR
nominated for its makeup and hair design,

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so Helen Merrin did go through a
lot to be part of that film.

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I'd like the film seven out of
ten. Yeah, and mine's seven out

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of ten as well. So yeah, as I expected, it was sort

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of very very similar territory. Okay, so you are on j eighty eight

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Let us look back at I don't
think we've spoken yet about Freud's Last Session,

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have we, So let's do that
now. And that's a movie that

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is one hundred and nine minutes in
duration, M rated, and basically it's

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a meeting that probably didn't take place
but could have between the father of psychoanalysis

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and a fated author and they discuss
whether God exists. So that is the

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centerpiece of Freud's last session. Freud's
played by Anthony Hopkins, is in failing

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health. He's struggling and with death
approaching, he remains heavily opinionated. He's

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actually taken an issue with a British
author called C. S. Lewis.

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Matthew Good plays him, who's come
out as a believer and he's written about

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his faith. Even though they don't
know one another. Freud invites C.

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00:32:07.359 --> 00:32:10.279
S. Lewis to his home for
a bit of a chat, and when

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00:32:10.319 --> 00:32:15.920
he arrives late, as Sigmund,
Freud points out more than once, he

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00:32:16.079 --> 00:32:22.599
starts rationalizing and Lewis responds their discussion
well, it's cerebral. Neither backs away

419
00:32:22.640 --> 00:32:28.480
from their previously stated position. Through
that process, we find out about the

420
00:32:28.480 --> 00:32:32.519
backgrounds of both of them, and
they emerge through flashbacks and dreams because each

421
00:32:32.559 --> 00:32:37.599
of them has experienced deep emotional pain. Then he got Freud's daughter Anna played

422
00:32:37.599 --> 00:32:43.799
by live Lisa Frees, who created
the field of child psychoanalysis, and she's

423
00:32:43.799 --> 00:32:47.480
got an extreme attachment to her father
and he really has far too much control

424
00:32:47.519 --> 00:32:52.799
over her. She also has lurid
fantasies and is in a lesbian relationship that

425
00:32:52.839 --> 00:32:57.000
her father does not countenance. For
his part, C. S Lewis will

426
00:32:57.079 --> 00:33:01.440
he's formed a special connection with a
friend's move up, having suffered trauma while

427
00:33:01.440 --> 00:33:07.960
he was on the front line biting. Both of them, both major protagonists

428
00:33:07.200 --> 00:33:13.039
feared death, and as the title
suggests, Freud's last session, the conversation

429
00:33:13.119 --> 00:33:16.599
between the pair of them will turn
out to be Freud's last substantive one.

430
00:33:17.160 --> 00:33:21.160
It's based on a play by Mark
Saint Germaine. I think that's part of

431
00:33:21.160 --> 00:33:23.599
the problem, because it looks like
a play, and sometimes you can get

432
00:33:23.640 --> 00:33:27.240
away with it in the movies.
I don't think you could on this occasion.

433
00:33:27.440 --> 00:33:30.039
He wrote the screenplay with the director
Matt Brown. I did prefer the

434
00:33:30.039 --> 00:33:34.119
second half of the film to the
first, and that's when what made Sigmund

435
00:33:34.119 --> 00:33:37.279
Freud and C. S Lewis who
they are really started boring out. Until

436
00:33:37.279 --> 00:33:40.839
that point, much of the first
hour, well, I reckon it appeared

437
00:33:42.240 --> 00:33:45.319
really all but appeared as space filling
waffle. Yeah, sure that Fred and

438
00:33:45.519 --> 00:33:51.039
Lewis spoke with one another, but
it was esoteric conversation and it felt like

439
00:33:51.079 --> 00:33:54.240
the filmmakers were intent on blinding patrons
with verbiage for the sake of it.

440
00:33:55.119 --> 00:33:58.400
I saw that as a fault of
the writing actually, which needed to be

441
00:33:58.440 --> 00:34:01.400
expressed in language that was more readily
relatable. It wasn't a fault of the

442
00:34:01.440 --> 00:34:06.039
acting as a device. I think
the flashbacks work, but it was the

443
00:34:06.119 --> 00:34:09.199
material around it that had to be
emancipated. Again, that's the word that

444
00:34:09.239 --> 00:34:13.880
I would use. The performances were
sound. The production values in the film

445
00:34:13.960 --> 00:34:19.519
were also sound. Hopkins played Freud
as verbally dexterous but flawed. Good was

446
00:34:19.559 --> 00:34:22.039
more restrained and respectful as C.
S. Lewis, and live Lisa Freeze

447
00:34:22.280 --> 00:34:27.679
was dutiful and harried as Anna.
Look as a window to the world,

448
00:34:27.800 --> 00:34:31.360
Freud's Last Session highlights the vulnerabilities and
the failings in all of us as human

449
00:34:31.400 --> 00:34:37.159
beings, be that the learned or
the unschooled. Learning to endure and managing

450
00:34:37.239 --> 00:34:42.159
grief, distress, sexual proclivities.
Well, it's a lifelong mission, all

451
00:34:42.199 --> 00:34:45.039
of which can only end one way, and that is when we meet our

452
00:34:45.079 --> 00:34:50.119
maker, whoever that might be.
So. Freud's Last Session, as I

453
00:34:50.159 --> 00:34:52.119
say, rated M runs for one
hundred and nine minutes. Greg, what

454
00:34:52.119 --> 00:34:57.440
do you think, hi look,
I found this a little bit of heavy

455
00:34:57.480 --> 00:35:00.320
going there, a bit like that's
all we swalked about a couple you know

456
00:35:00.679 --> 00:35:05.239
origin where the discussion is about big
ideas, big scenes, but it didn't

457
00:35:05.239 --> 00:35:09.920
really engage the audience there. And
I agree that this one is fairly constrained

458
00:35:09.920 --> 00:35:15.480
by theatrical origins. There are a
couple of stements by the director Matt Brown,

459
00:35:15.679 --> 00:35:20.079
opening up a little bit. You
get that subplot following Freud's sort of

460
00:35:20.159 --> 00:35:25.480
Anna there, and also some flashbacks
to Lewis's experiences in World War One that

461
00:35:25.639 --> 00:35:30.199
shakes him and his attitude there.
But this film is heavily dialogue driven and

462
00:35:30.360 --> 00:35:36.519
most of it takes place in Freud's
study there, so it doesn't really escape

463
00:35:36.519 --> 00:35:43.920
as theatrical origins there, which is
not very cinematic. But the film explores

464
00:35:44.000 --> 00:35:51.559
some big ideas there, human fraility, the facility of war, just grief,

465
00:35:51.639 --> 00:35:55.159
and of course the existence of God
and religion and sex. But I

466
00:35:55.159 --> 00:35:59.719
thought Hopedin, through his great here
as Freud is full of bluster, is

467
00:35:59.800 --> 00:36:02.280
very gives. It is intelligent,
and Hopkins is one of those actors you

468
00:36:02.360 --> 00:36:06.320
seem to get better with age.
He seems to be enjoying a bit of

469
00:36:06.320 --> 00:36:10.639
a verble patch await in his career
there and massive would also was good as

470
00:36:10.920 --> 00:36:15.360
Lewis there. It brings a sense
of dignity and restraint to his performance there.

471
00:36:15.480 --> 00:36:22.639
And I thought the production design was
good recreating Freud's study there. But

472
00:36:22.239 --> 00:36:27.119
yeah, the esthosaric conversations, as
you said, now, don't really connect

473
00:36:27.239 --> 00:36:31.199
with the audience there. Yeah,
so I think there's a small film that

474
00:36:31.519 --> 00:36:37.960
will rig a small specialist audience there. And ironically, as in Hopkins played

475
00:36:37.000 --> 00:36:40.760
C. S. Lewis in a
nineteen ninety three film, Paul shadow Lands,

476
00:36:42.119 --> 00:36:44.119
Ah, yes he did too,
well done, well picked up.

477
00:36:44.199 --> 00:36:46.719
Yeah, good stuff. Now,
Peter, you're the Caulcion from one.

478
00:36:46.719 --> 00:36:50.400
Are you going to say this is
a masterpiece or you're going to agree with

479
00:36:50.400 --> 00:36:53.559
Gregor and I I'm going to agree
with both of you because I am into

480
00:36:53.599 --> 00:37:01.199
this film expecting it to be a
really strong discussion about life and death and

481
00:37:01.280 --> 00:37:07.440
so on in this hypothetical meeting between
C. S. Lewis and Zigmund Freud,

482
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and I came away thinking that the
screenplay was so superficial and really didn't

483
00:37:15.559 --> 00:37:22.159
get into really underneath their philosophies,
their thinking and so on, it just

484
00:37:22.239 --> 00:37:29.199
remained very typical sort of banter,
which really disappointed me because I wanted a

485
00:37:29.280 --> 00:37:32.760
much stronger screenplay than was presented.
And yes, I know it's based on

486
00:37:32.800 --> 00:37:37.079
a stage play, and yes,
the whole thing is of course hypothetical,

487
00:37:37.159 --> 00:37:45.760
but nevertheless, I would have expected
a deeper insight into Freud's philosophy of psychotherapy

488
00:37:45.840 --> 00:37:51.719
and his attitude to religion or anti
religion and C. S. Lewis's strong

489
00:37:51.840 --> 00:37:57.280
Christian principles, and I just felt
the film didn't go far enough or didn't

490
00:37:57.320 --> 00:38:02.920
do anything much to really explore those
issues at all. So yeah, well

491
00:38:02.960 --> 00:38:08.159
acted, but very disappointing film.
Yeah, okay, so let's start with

492
00:38:08.199 --> 00:38:10.280
you then, Peter, and you'll
give it a five or something of that

493
00:38:10.360 --> 00:38:15.920
nature, would do correct five out
of ten. Yeah, Greg, I'm

494
00:38:15.920 --> 00:38:20.519
pretty much the same. Yeah.
Look, I mean I thought it was

495
00:38:20.679 --> 00:38:22.400
okay, but not much more than
that, so I'll give it a six.

496
00:38:22.800 --> 00:38:27.400
So again, we're in sort of
similar territory in terms of talking about

497
00:38:27.400 --> 00:38:31.920
that movie. Look, it's it. I wonder I hadn't seen the stage

498
00:38:31.960 --> 00:38:37.159
player. I presume you have an
ey agree, no, no, so

499
00:38:37.639 --> 00:38:42.480
it'd be interesting to see what differences
from the stage play if any there were.

500
00:38:42.760 --> 00:38:45.800
Have you got any insight into that
at all, Peter, in terms

501
00:38:45.800 --> 00:38:49.519
of whether there were many changes to
the script or you don't really know it

502
00:38:49.599 --> 00:38:52.920
either. I'm not absolutely sure,
but from what I know is it was

503
00:38:52.920 --> 00:38:59.599
an adaptation which tried to be more
cinematic but kept most of their dialogue that

504
00:38:59.719 --> 00:39:02.559
was on stage. Yeah, fair
enough, and that's what it appears that

505
00:39:02.599 --> 00:39:07.880
way, And sometimes these things can
work very very well. But it's a

506
00:39:07.960 --> 00:39:12.760
challenge, no question about that.
On eighty eight FM, let us talk

507
00:39:12.760 --> 00:39:15.760
about Jean de Barrie, which is
a sweeping period drama and it covers the

508
00:39:15.840 --> 00:39:22.719
rise and fall predominantly the former of
the primary lover of a former king of

509
00:39:22.960 --> 00:39:30.039
France, who was born Jean Becou, played by Maywn miwe double n.

510
00:39:30.159 --> 00:39:35.960
That's the actor's name, and John
Becou was born on the nineteenthbal With seventeen

511
00:39:36.199 --> 00:39:39.039
forty three. She was the illegitimate
daughter of a monk and a cook,

512
00:39:39.519 --> 00:39:45.639
brought up by her mum of lowly
stock. She rode to the King's bedchamber

513
00:39:45.760 --> 00:39:50.599
quite an intriguing and circuitous one,
marked by her intelligence, her artistry,

514
00:39:50.880 --> 00:39:55.119
and her industriousness. She's charming,
she's witty, She longs to climb the

515
00:39:55.119 --> 00:40:01.320
social ladder. Soon enough, she
recognizes her sensual in sexuality and she becomes

516
00:40:01.320 --> 00:40:07.639
a skilled courtaizan. Her benefactor,
the Compte de Bari played by Melville Pupart,

517
00:40:08.280 --> 00:40:13.599
grows rich through her amorous encounters,
and all the more so when she's

518
00:40:13.639 --> 00:40:20.800
introduced by the influential Duke of Richelieu
Pierre Richard to a notorious womanizer, being

519
00:40:20.920 --> 00:40:28.480
King Louis the fifteenth played by Johnny
Depp in his first French language speaking role.

520
00:40:29.079 --> 00:40:35.679
So it's intoxication first sight, and
the King quickly declares her his favorite,

521
00:40:36.079 --> 00:40:42.119
while she unapologetically ignores propriety and etiquette, and she gets away with it.

522
00:40:42.519 --> 00:40:45.000
And to show his affection for her, the King gives her a striking

523
00:40:45.239 --> 00:40:52.079
expensive necklace and wait for this,
an exotic young black boy. Bear in

524
00:40:52.119 --> 00:40:57.320
mind we are talking it's totally unacceptable, but we're talking about the seventeen hundreds.

525
00:40:57.679 --> 00:41:01.400
With the help of his valet la
Board played by Benjamin Laverti, King

526
00:41:01.480 --> 00:41:07.840
Louis moves Jean into his Versailles pallace, sparking both derision and scandal. Now

527
00:41:07.880 --> 00:41:12.639
Standing in the way of their brazen
love affair are three of the King's four

528
00:41:12.760 --> 00:41:17.480
daughters, who show her ill will
and ridicule. The arrival of Marie Antoinette

529
00:41:17.480 --> 00:41:22.480
played by Pauline Polman, who went
on to become the last Queen of France

530
00:41:22.519 --> 00:41:27.519
before the French Revolution, marks yet
another tipping point in this movie. The

531
00:41:27.559 --> 00:41:30.599
director and co writer may One her
journey to bringing Jean de Barrie's story to

532
00:41:30.639 --> 00:41:37.000
the screen began after seeing Sophia Coppler's
Marie Antoinette in two thousand and six,

533
00:41:37.800 --> 00:41:40.079
and she felt a very strong connection
to the character played by Asia Argento,

534
00:41:40.679 --> 00:41:45.239
but she needed to feel confident she
could actually do justice to the subject matter,

535
00:41:45.400 --> 00:41:49.119
and that took over a decade,
and that during that time she immersed

536
00:41:49.119 --> 00:41:52.880
herself into learning more about de Barri. She also undertook other projects. But

537
00:41:52.920 --> 00:41:59.079
the movie's been sumptuously filmed in thirty
five millimeter on location at Versailles. Well,

538
00:41:59.280 --> 00:42:01.519
arguably it's the palace to end all
palaces. I mean, having seen

539
00:42:01.559 --> 00:42:05.880
it, I can attest to that
it is really quite something, very very

540
00:42:05.920 --> 00:42:08.440
special, something that you should see
once in your life at least. So

541
00:42:08.599 --> 00:42:15.360
it features majestic costuming and production design, really richly orchestrated series of striking performances

542
00:42:15.599 --> 00:42:17.840
foremost of most, I thought May
One was terrific, excelling as the woman

543
00:42:17.840 --> 00:42:22.679
that plays a dangerous game, displaying
warmth and wanton abandoned in that role.

544
00:42:23.039 --> 00:42:29.679
Benjamin Lavery, master of diplomacy and
restraint as the King's trusted personal attendant.

545
00:42:30.039 --> 00:42:31.719
I thought, well, he fed
well enough, mostly by virtue of the

546
00:42:31.800 --> 00:42:35.880
cow telling that goes on around him. In his role as rule he doesn't

547
00:42:35.880 --> 00:42:38.039
have to say too much, but
it's quite something that he's taken on a

548
00:42:38.119 --> 00:42:43.599
French language film. Good on him
for doing so. The cinematogerel Lawrence Dayland

549
00:42:43.719 --> 00:42:46.599
has done a fine job capturing the
opulence and the allure of the palace and

550
00:42:46.679 --> 00:42:51.719
the pomp and ceremony that goes on
around it. It's look as a film,

551
00:42:51.800 --> 00:42:55.760
Jonder Barry. It's spirited, it's
alluring, satirical historic drama with flourishes,

552
00:42:55.800 --> 00:42:59.679
and I thought, for what it
did, it did it well?

553
00:43:00.159 --> 00:43:05.760
What did you think, Peter?
I didn't mind the film. I thought

554
00:43:05.760 --> 00:43:08.599
it looked some truice. It was
well filmed, and May When is such

555
00:43:09.039 --> 00:43:14.559
an interesting filmmaker. Her film Police, for example, from a few years

556
00:43:14.559 --> 00:43:19.440
back, is a superb film,
and I thought this one she hasn't quite

557
00:43:19.480 --> 00:43:24.119
got it for some reason, even
though it's quite enjoyable, the idea of

558
00:43:24.159 --> 00:43:30.119
this woman who has this journey from
poverty to being a cortisan and being part

559
00:43:30.159 --> 00:43:36.800
of Louis the Fifteenth Course, etc. I don't know. I felt it

560
00:43:36.800 --> 00:43:43.000
should have been a much stronger film, more emotional, and more depth to

561
00:43:43.199 --> 00:43:49.320
the characterization and to the relationship with
Johnny with Louis fifteenth played by Johnny Depp,

562
00:43:49.519 --> 00:43:52.440
who, by the way, speaks
French almost like a native. So

563
00:43:52.519 --> 00:43:58.400
I was very impressed by Johnny Depp's
characterization. Look, I didn't mind the

564
00:43:58.400 --> 00:44:01.400
film. I thought it was okay. It's, as I said, well

565
00:44:01.440 --> 00:44:06.719
produced and well acted. But I
just felt it was lacking some sort of

566
00:44:06.719 --> 00:44:12.039
emotionality or tension, And in fact, the only tension in the film is

567
00:44:12.079 --> 00:44:15.679
when we know that the French Revolution
is about to occur at the end of

568
00:44:15.719 --> 00:44:19.719
the film, and I thought,
boy, this could have been such a

569
00:44:19.719 --> 00:44:24.400
strong film. So mildly disappointing for
me. Okay, I obviously thought a

570
00:44:24.400 --> 00:44:28.840
lot more than you did of it. Greg, You'll probably be closer to

571
00:44:29.119 --> 00:44:31.920
the middle of us rather than me
or Peter. Would that be true?

572
00:44:32.559 --> 00:44:37.920
Probably? Yeah, I thought this
was visually sumptuous. The costume for Fantasic

573
00:44:37.000 --> 00:44:44.159
Larriish costume drama there depicting the life
of the eponymous heroine John de Barry,

574
00:44:44.719 --> 00:44:50.559
was interesting in the way she gulved
into some of the politics of the port

575
00:44:50.639 --> 00:44:54.079
of Larida fifteen that I thought that
was interesting, but I wanted more.

576
00:44:54.519 --> 00:45:00.480
Didn't lack any real drama here.
I thought it was just sort of going

577
00:45:00.480 --> 00:45:04.880
along there. I wanted more of
the drama, the tension of the court

578
00:45:04.960 --> 00:45:09.320
there. I like the character of
the board played by Vegamin Laverne there,

579
00:45:09.320 --> 00:45:16.119
who was her sort of sympathetic character
who helped advise Gene on her behavior,

580
00:45:16.159 --> 00:45:22.039
and how in Gracia ingratiate yourself he's
in the court there. I thought at

581
00:45:22.039 --> 00:45:25.280
first the passing of Johnny Depp was
a bit of stunt passing, but he

582
00:45:25.400 --> 00:45:29.880
sort of carried the role quite well
there. He bought that sort of fobbish

583
00:45:30.559 --> 00:45:36.760
presence, pompers presence that are role
there. I thought may One was quite

584
00:45:36.800 --> 00:45:42.719
strong in the role she played here. This is apparently one of the most

585
00:45:42.800 --> 00:45:49.480
expensive productions from France, but a
twenty three million dollars budget can all be

586
00:45:49.559 --> 00:45:53.039
set on the screen with the production
design, the costumes and all that kind

587
00:45:53.039 --> 00:45:58.920
of stuff. That's quite spectacular there. And apparently some scenes were actually allowed

588
00:45:58.960 --> 00:46:02.800
to shoot in Versailles, which is
most unusual. And yeah, pinhatographer Laurence

589
00:46:02.880 --> 00:46:09.000
Daylud I thought captured the opunce and
grandeur of the setting and apparently greeting up

590
00:46:09.000 --> 00:46:14.360
on this prove review on the five
film, Barry Lyndon was apparently a huge

591
00:46:14.519 --> 00:46:17.360
influence on the look of this film, which you can understand. And there's

592
00:46:17.360 --> 00:46:22.239
a lush orchestral score from Stephen Warburck. This will appel the fans with those

593
00:46:22.320 --> 00:46:27.760
kind of costume dramas historical five weeks. But I thought, like Peter,

594
00:46:28.079 --> 00:46:31.199
it probably could have been Stromber in
its depiction of the court in trees going

595
00:46:31.239 --> 00:46:36.800
on there. I certainly recognized elements
of a SI like I did Sydney in

596
00:46:36.840 --> 00:46:39.559
the movie that we just spoke about
earlier today. But have you been there?

597
00:46:39.840 --> 00:46:45.199
Have either of you been to the
sign Yeah? Briefly? Okay,

598
00:46:45.239 --> 00:46:52.559
well, yeah, certainly back there
in January. Oh one wonderful, excellent

599
00:46:52.880 --> 00:46:54.599
Peter. You've been to France though, have you night or not? No?

600
00:46:54.679 --> 00:46:58.760
I haven't, Ah, Okay,
Well, next time you're in Germany

601
00:46:58.840 --> 00:47:01.039
you can. I know you're a
big, big advocate of the German Film

602
00:47:01.119 --> 00:47:05.679
Festival. You can deviate. It's
not far away. You can go and

603
00:47:05.880 --> 00:47:08.559
go and see Paris. Anyway,
Having said all of that, I think

604
00:47:08.559 --> 00:47:13.760
you'll give it the low score,
Peter, So let's suggest that you're going

605
00:47:13.840 --> 00:47:15.280
to be somewhere in the five to
six territory. What do you reckon?

606
00:47:15.880 --> 00:47:20.199
Yeah? No, I thought it
was okay, but Marley disappointing six out

607
00:47:20.199 --> 00:47:22.000
of ten. Yeah, there we
go, Greg, you'll be somewhere in

608
00:47:22.039 --> 00:47:25.760
the middle. There, So the
six six plus, But what are you

609
00:47:25.800 --> 00:47:30.880
going to give it? And as
I said, like that dramatic intension,

610
00:47:30.880 --> 00:47:34.920
I thought it needed to be strong
at with the polyip polytips and that kind

611
00:47:34.960 --> 00:47:37.480
of thing. Whereas I really did
enjoy it for what it was, and

612
00:47:38.159 --> 00:47:42.440
I'm giving it eight out of ten. Jean de Bari is the name of

613
00:47:42.480 --> 00:47:46.800
the movie. M rateed one hundred
and seventeen minutes in duration, so we

614
00:47:46.880 --> 00:47:51.000
have got time to talk about Challenges, which is a movie that we also

615
00:47:51.559 --> 00:47:53.440
should pay a bit of attention to. It's M rated, it's one hundred

616
00:47:53.480 --> 00:47:58.039
and thirty one minutes. Now,
it is hard hitting, it's it's sort

617
00:47:58.079 --> 00:48:00.760
of this hard hitting. Yes,
thank you very much. You do the

618
00:48:00.800 --> 00:48:06.559
puns, don't you agree? So
normally Joe, but as love all at

619
00:48:06.559 --> 00:48:08.960
the moment, thank you. Currently, well we need a tiebreaker, then,

620
00:48:09.000 --> 00:48:12.880
don't we? Can we keep on
going? Pretty well? You know

621
00:48:12.960 --> 00:48:17.400
nothing about tennis. It's all right, don't worry bout a lob whenever you

622
00:48:17.599 --> 00:48:23.760
like better than so many balls in
the air here. Okay, so this

623
00:48:23.800 --> 00:48:29.760
is a hard hitting let me start
again. This is called challenges. We're

624
00:48:29.800 --> 00:48:35.599
not talking about puns anymore. It's
it's sort of You've got this focused rising

625
00:48:35.679 --> 00:48:39.079
tennis prodigy catching the eye of a
couple of best mates. That she catches

626
00:48:39.079 --> 00:48:43.000
the eye of a couple of best
mates who are also on the circuit,

627
00:48:43.000 --> 00:48:46.159
who compete for her affections. And
I mean it's a dramatic, comedic romance.

628
00:48:46.199 --> 00:48:50.360
It's directed by Luca Guerdonnino. It
did call Me by her name?

629
00:48:50.719 --> 00:48:54.199
What a great movie that was.
Patrick Swy is played by Josh O'Connor,

630
00:48:54.320 --> 00:49:00.199
Art Donaldson by Mike Mike Faced.
So Josh O'Connor Mike Faced. The two

631
00:49:00.320 --> 00:49:06.159
actors and their characters, Patrick and
Art have been best friends inseparable since the

632
00:49:06.159 --> 00:49:10.440
age of twelve. Successful in junior
doubles at the highest level, but Patrick

633
00:49:10.519 --> 00:49:15.199
is the better of the two players, and with a smirk all but permanently

634
00:49:15.199 --> 00:49:19.960
affixed to his face, he's also
more of a player in inverted commas in

635
00:49:20.000 --> 00:49:23.320
a sexual sense of the word.
It's Tashy Donaldson played by Zendiah, who

636
00:49:23.360 --> 00:49:28.320
turns their collective heads in more ways
than one, and I speak about how

637
00:49:28.360 --> 00:49:32.000
she approaches the game as a combat
sport as well as her undoubted sex appeal.

638
00:49:32.679 --> 00:49:37.360
So suddenly it's game on, shall
we say? As Patrick and Art

639
00:49:37.360 --> 00:49:44.719
first share their mutual infatuation, before
the situation off court becomes highly competitive as

640
00:49:44.719 --> 00:49:49.239
well. So again Patrick wins out
initially, but Art is playing the long

641
00:49:49.320 --> 00:49:52.599
game, and in time, the
latter becomes a world force in tennis,

642
00:49:53.199 --> 00:49:59.719
while the former doesn't make the most
of his opportunities and Patrick falls on hard

643
00:49:59.760 --> 00:50:04.639
time times. An injury ends Tashi's
promising career. She moves into coaching,

644
00:50:04.880 --> 00:50:08.280
becomes Arts coach, and marries him. But Art's always struggled with the mental

645
00:50:08.360 --> 00:50:12.400
side of the game and he's going
through a lean patch, and that's when

646
00:50:12.440 --> 00:50:17.840
Tashi advocates he win back his confidence
by competing in a low paid Challenger event,

647
00:50:19.239 --> 00:50:22.320
So that's where a lot of the
up and comers play rather than on

648
00:50:22.360 --> 00:50:25.280
the main circuit. And who should
I come up against in the final of

649
00:50:25.320 --> 00:50:31.079
the tournament none other than his old
ally who's now on adversary Patrick and the

650
00:50:31.079 --> 00:50:36.639
pairs long since fallen out. Tashi
too wants nothing to do with Patrick,

651
00:50:37.039 --> 00:50:42.360
or does she? It spans thirteen
years until twenty nineteen. Written by Justin

652
00:50:42.559 --> 00:50:49.360
Kirker, I'll try that again Justin
Kurt's Keys and he creates his taboo screenplay

653
00:50:49.840 --> 00:50:53.079
after establishing himself as a playwright.
And he was inspired by watching a rather

654
00:50:53.119 --> 00:50:59.800
controversial match between Serena Williams and Naomi
Osaka in the year twenty nineteen. As

655
00:50:59.840 --> 00:51:04.480
a say, it goes up till
that point. It's also about the dynamics,

656
00:51:04.519 --> 00:51:07.119
well, it's about the dynamics of
power. It moves back and forth

657
00:51:07.119 --> 00:51:09.559
in time, in fact, far
too frequently for my liking. It deals

658
00:51:09.559 --> 00:51:15.840
with attraction and motivation. Tashi Donaldson
is the center of attention. Just who

659
00:51:15.840 --> 00:51:19.599
does she find really appealing? Is
it the well meaning wimp or is it

660
00:51:19.639 --> 00:51:22.360
the bad boy? And why?
And look while I deal with my Luca

661
00:51:22.400 --> 00:51:27.440
got Anino's catalog of filmmaking, which
has also included The Big A Bigger Splash,

662
00:51:27.480 --> 00:51:30.400
Suspiria, Bones and All, just
to name three. I thought the

663
00:51:30.440 --> 00:51:35.400
slow moving, elongated scenes without dialogue
in challenges really started to bother me.

664
00:51:35.920 --> 00:51:39.239
In fact, they became tortures.
Even the up tempo music score, which

665
00:51:39.280 --> 00:51:45.000
initially caught my attention favorably, became
a millstone before the movie ended. And

666
00:51:45.079 --> 00:51:47.039
if the filmmaker's intent was to annoy
his audience, it certainly worked on me.

667
00:51:47.639 --> 00:51:52.000
Look, I greatly appreciated Zandia's intensity, though, I thought her performance

668
00:51:52.199 --> 00:51:55.239
as the highly motivated Tashi was great. I thought that O'Connor's laid back approach

669
00:51:57.360 --> 00:52:00.440
was good too, but not so
much as Hallmark grinn that was overly used.

670
00:52:00.480 --> 00:52:04.840
I overused it, you know.
It didn't need to be used as

671
00:52:04.880 --> 00:52:07.239
often as it was. Nor was
I sold by Mike Face casting as the

672
00:52:07.280 --> 00:52:12.480
good guy. I struggled to believe
he was a major championship winner and that's

673
00:52:12.519 --> 00:52:15.039
what he was painted as, So
it needed I reckon this movie a less

674
00:52:15.079 --> 00:52:20.039
is more approach. As it was, it felt stretched way beyond acceptances.

675
00:52:20.559 --> 00:52:22.920
That last scene alone just kept on
going. It made me want to scream.

676
00:52:23.239 --> 00:52:28.880
So yeah, relationships can be often
are complicated. Long before the final

677
00:52:28.920 --> 00:52:32.400
credits on this credits, on this
deep dive into this threesome, I wanted

678
00:52:32.440 --> 00:52:38.320
out so conceptually it was a good
idea in terms of execution, while not

679
00:52:38.440 --> 00:52:44.480
without some merit. And I already
mentioned that Zendaia was terrific. I was

680
00:52:44.559 --> 00:52:49.920
calling literally for a tiebreaker for after
about ninety minutes, I mean it kept

681
00:52:49.920 --> 00:52:53.320
on going two hours eleven. So
yeah, that's my take on challenges,

682
00:52:53.599 --> 00:52:59.239
Peter, what about you. I
was very disappointed by this film, particularly

683
00:52:59.239 --> 00:53:01.480
because Luka go and you know,
is such a good director. It was

684
00:53:01.559 --> 00:53:07.519
quite clear that he had no confidence
in the screenplay, so he did his

685
00:53:07.679 --> 00:53:14.760
best to paper over it by concocting
this menajatire and this homo erotic sort of

686
00:53:15.800 --> 00:53:22.159
subtext in the storyline, by putting
music into it which really didn't belong in

687
00:53:22.199 --> 00:53:27.280
the film at all, and in
fact overlaid some dialogue and correct. That

688
00:53:27.360 --> 00:53:30.280
was the thing to me as well. But we were limited in time,

689
00:53:30.360 --> 00:53:31.920
so you didn't you basically didn't like
it as much as you want to do.

690
00:53:34.079 --> 00:53:37.920
No, I didn't. And even
the special effects with the tennis ball

691
00:53:37.000 --> 00:53:40.719
and the rackets and so on,
I thought he just he was not confident

692
00:53:40.760 --> 00:53:45.960
with the story and so he tried
his best to do this Etu Mamma Tambian

693
00:53:45.360 --> 00:53:51.519
sort of remake. So Challenges was
a real disappointment to me and Greg in

694
00:53:51.679 --> 00:53:55.719
sixty seconds or less your thought,
I thought chanson between the three characters was

695
00:53:55.840 --> 00:54:00.320
quite palpable, and the extended challenge
it makes itself became a metaphor for the

696
00:54:00.360 --> 00:54:05.880
relationship between the three. There is
an enormous undercurrent of eroticism here. But

697
00:54:05.920 --> 00:54:10.320
I agree that the music score,
the techno score, overrode some of the

698
00:54:10.360 --> 00:54:16.559
dialogue there, became obtrusive and overbearing
in some scenes there. And I thought

699
00:54:17.119 --> 00:54:23.440
some of those idiosyncratic and stylist directorial
flourishers that he and his cinematography used to

700
00:54:23.599 --> 00:54:28.440
bring the tennis match alive sort of
brought a bit of energy to the tennis

701
00:54:28.480 --> 00:54:32.760
match itself as a visceral and highly
cinematic approach there that put us into the

702
00:54:32.800 --> 00:54:37.440
match share. I thought the chemistry
between the thread Leeds was also palpable,

703
00:54:37.719 --> 00:54:43.800
and who's a raw carnallysy so I
thought face had a boyish quality. So

704
00:54:44.000 --> 00:54:45.760
I can think, overall, out
of ten Greg, what would you give

705
00:54:45.800 --> 00:54:50.199
it? I'll do it six out
of ten, only six, Peter,

706
00:54:51.480 --> 00:54:55.559
very disappointing four out of ten.
Wow, failed it? Gee was I'm

707
00:54:55.599 --> 00:54:59.559
giving it a six and a half
out of ten. Boys were out of

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00:54:59.559 --> 00:55:02.400
time and we're going to do it
all again very very soon. First on

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Film and Entertainment, Greek, thank
you so much, Peter, thank you

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00:55:06.599 --> 00:55:10.039
kindly, and be good to one
another. Catul later on on First on

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Film and Entertainment,