S03E08: Unveiling Shadows: The First Omen and the Legacy of Fear

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First on film and entertainment. And
there is a big blockbuster that we are

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going to discuss today. Now,
I don't care whether it's an independent film

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or a blockbuster, as long as
it's a movie that leaves an impression,

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and this one most certainly does.
Talking about impressions, we have got Greek

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king. Do you do impressions or
do you not? I don't do impressions?

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No, take me as just take
me, get me well, but

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ang on you, but you do
dad jokes very well, well badly lame

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dad jokes. Yes, that's what
you're known for. Now, what about

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you, Peter Kraus, do you
do? You don't impress me? But

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there you go. Do you do
impressions? No? I don't. It's

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all a serade, thank you very
much, indeed very I'm talking about civil

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war, not between us. But
what a prosaic film in the sense that

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it was written before all of whopla
that's going on and going down in America

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and so on. I'm a big
fan of the film director and the writer

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Alex Garland. He's made some really
good ex Macinna really stood out in my

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mind. What about you, Peter, do you like his filmmaking? Style.

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Absolutely, he likes to go out
there with his subject matter. Yeah,

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very much so Greg. You you're
a fan or not, you know

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what's over his stuff, especially for
those vampire films you did earlier in his

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career at the Beach yep. But
he does some esoteric stuff as well.

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X X. I mean, okay, I'm referenced x Macanna. That really

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stood out in my mind, but
in this one as well. I mean,

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this is this blockbuster. I've got
to say to you upfront, this

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is my probably the most noteworthy movie
that I've seen since I picked the not

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just me, but I think the
world picked Oppenheimer as being the best film

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of last year. Civil War is
an extraordinary film. I mean, this

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is about America ad war with itself
and this sort it's a bloody, take

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no prisoner's war. I thought it
was absolutely super special. The President is

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played by Nick Offerman, and he's
declared that basically America's on the verge of

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victory his side, if you like, in this war, but it couldn't

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be further from the truth. And
looking to take over is the combined military

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might of Texas and California. Covering
the conflict. Seasoned war photographer Lee played

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by Kirsten Dunst, and the journalist
Joel a Brazilian actor called Wagner Moorra,

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and they work for Reuters. The
President has not given an interview about this

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conflict for fourteen months. He's done
news conferences as such or stand ups,

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but not one on one interviews.
And this pair is determined to break the

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drought and to try to reach him
in Washington, d C. They need

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to drive a hazardous indirect route of
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and he certainly won't be rolling out
the welcome matt to meet them.

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This is the President, of course, he doesn't know they're coming, and

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along the way many untold dangers are
lurking. But these journos are all about

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doing their jobs and tagging along with
them. The veteran New York Times correspondent

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called Sammy played by Stephen McKinley Henderson, and a twenty three year old went

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behind the years photographer called Jesse played
by Kaylee Spainey. To the latter,

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the photographer Jesse, the full horror
the Heartbreak of War is writ large on

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the eye opening journey that she's about
to undertake with the other three. All

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are frequently at imminent risk, including
from lawless individuals that have lost any sense

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of humanity, and among them is
a recalcitrant shooter played by Jesse Plemmons.

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What a diabolical role and how wonderfully
presented it is. But I'll tell you

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what scares that. But Jesus out
of you mention the right and director Alex

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Garland, and he really does step
it up a notch. This is his

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breakout blockbuster film. It's intense,
it's visceral, has a lot to say

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about civil disobedience in society and where
it can lead, and it does so

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by focusing on the documentaries of war
and how they go about their business.

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It's a story that's disturbingly compelling.
It's enriched by really strong performances. The

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build up of the atrocities of war
deeply ingrained in Lee, the Kirsten Dunst

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character. She's covered many wars as
Lee, and that world weariness is written

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all over Dunst's face. Wagner Moura
Channel's Joel's gung ho nature whose excitement is

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tempered by the harsh realities that lie
ahead. Kaylee Spainey's wide eyed innocence.

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I thought that was a feature of
her role as the new b Jesse and

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Stephen McKinley. Anderson portrays Sammy as
a wily old fox who retired but can't

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find it within himself to do that. Clemens well just downright evil. But

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the visuals Rob Hardy is responsible for
the cinematography and the soundscape as well are

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unforgettable, scarring their sid deeply into
my mind. Garland has used his large

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canvas admirably. The place to see
this, if you can get there,

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is Imax. It is the venue. The ugliness, the shock and awe

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are palpable throughout the brutality of wars
laid bare, Civil War. It's rich,

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it's redolent, it's seid into my
psyche. I thought it was an

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extraordinary film, Peter, absolutely extraordinary. And I mean this film has so

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many elements to it in terms of
references that it makes. I mean,

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obviously, it references the January sixth
riots on the White House. It references

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the state of play of politics Democrats
and Republicans at the moment, especially the

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Republicans and Trump. It references the
Civil War of the nineteenth century, where

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North fought the South. And there
is so much too into the story to

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go into in terms of the American
psyche and the way it is redolent with

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division and conflict and so on.
This is a very impressive film because of

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the way it very coldly presents us
with this possible dystopian future. And Kirsten

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Dunster as the photojournalist is just so
superb as the world weary journalist. And

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I'll tell what talent in that family
married to Jesse Blements, who plays these

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nasty roles with victoriole every time that
I see him do it. There's a

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lot of talent in that family,
isn't there? There is? But to

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know that Jesse Plemmons was not originally
going to play that role. I did

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know that. I thought that was
an amazing story. Like the actor who

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was pulled out at the last moment
and his wife dabbed in Jesse Pleasants,

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who was there, I think,
minding their child or something on set,

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and she doesn't know whether she's actually
done him a favor because he's going to

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be the most hated man on screen. Exactly exactly right. And we should

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acknowledge Katie Spanney because she of course
played Priscilla in that film, and she

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is so gorgeous. Yeah, that
wide eyed innocence. Yes, she's got

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a gorgeous, evocative face, hasn't
she really strong? I mean it's interesting

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because suddenly she's introduced the world with
Priscilla and she followed, which you know,

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this really was her show, please, and all of a sudden she's

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now the next big thing, and
Civil War will absolutely catapult her to another

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level. I reckon, Yes,
yes, I just wanted to meet Leave

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the World Behind as another reference point
of filmmakers who are looking at a future

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America which is looking quite grim actually
in terms of some filmmakers' views, and

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also in Civil War, the notion
about foreigners is such an intriguing one and

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has a lot of residents as well. So look, a very impressive film,

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and even though it's quite disturbing and
violent at times, it's a film

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that I certainly highly recommend. Yeah, in terms of its disturbance, though

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I think there will be people who
find it too much. I spoke to

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somebody just before we came on air
who saw it and said to me,

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I'm really pleased I didn't see that
IMAX and I said, I couldn't be

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further from your view. I reckon, you've got to see it imax,

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and he said it was so full
on. And so some people, those

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people who may mainly go to the
movies, what two or three times a

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year, who want to go for
pure entertainment, this is not entertainment in

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that sense because it's really hard easy. So I think you know, be

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aware of that it's got an M
rating. I was surprised, actually they've

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got an M rating rather than some
of the level of violence here. But

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it's one hundred and nine minutes in
duration, ripper of a film. Greg.

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You're going to be seeing it between
now and when we speak next week.

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I speak. That's all I listened
to tomorrow. Now good stuff.

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Well, okay, Peter, I'll
be very interested to see what your score

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is here, what your score is
compared to mine. So go for it.

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What's Civil War in your eyes?
Oh? A very impressed with film

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nine out of ten. Well,
and I've given it a nine out of

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ten as well, And that's the
highest score I've given since Oppenheimer's ten,

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which was very unusual for me.
So there we go. We will now

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move to another movie that I understand, Peter, you're going to say,

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well, it depends on the movie, et cetera. Here's the movie that

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didn't sustain its running time, which
was two hours and thirteen minutes. That's

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Lark Camarera. It could have been
done and would have had more impact if

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it was one hundred minutes. Don't
you think No, I don't agree with

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you. All right, Well,
in the context of this film, the

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Camara is something people search for but
never managed to find. It's a fictional

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story set among a band of Tom
Barrolly. They are Italian grave robbers looking

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for archaeological wonders, and they're lucky. Charm is an eclectic British archaeologist called

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Arthur played by Josh O'Connor. He
finds things that others can't, and he

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uses this forked twig as a divining
rod. It's been a while since I've

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seen a divining rod, Greg,
have you seen one lately? Not likely?

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You know, they used to be
all a thing. I don't know.

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Look, I'm sorry, I'm somewhat
of a skeptic. Do you reckon

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they work? Is my question,
Peter. He tried to speish under the

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bridge. Yes, I was going
to say, have you tried one lately?

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Anyway, Arthur's just been released from
prison. He's at a short stint

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there. And we are in Tuscany
in the early nineteen eighties, and that's

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where during Arthur's earliest studies he fell
in love with a girl called ben Yamina,

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who was the daughter of a local
aristocrat called Flora, played by Isabella

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Rosalini. I think she relishes roles
like this. Anyway, Arthur still pines

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for ben Yamina. His memories live
on in his dreams, so dares Flora,

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who continues to maintain an unrealistic hope
of her return. I don't think

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we ever find out how she died, but she did anyway, Arthur's fallen

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in with a rowdy crew of twenty
somethings who pretend to make their living as

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farmers and entertainers, but they actually
pill for the area's ancient Etruscan tomes or

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tombs for earthenwear and ornaments to sell
on the black market, hoping to one

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day strike it rich. And this
is a course where Arthur finds things others

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can't comes in very very handy.
Meanwhile, Flora has a living Maide and

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a tone deaf music student in Italia
played by Karen Carol Duarte, and she

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catches Arthur's eye. However, she
has her own secrets. Alice Rowacha has

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woven what I think is rather intriguing
comedic adventure fantasy romance in La camera.

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It's got ethereal quality about it,
and it took me quite a while to

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become involved and to understand exactly what
was going down. Because I never read

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about movies before I go along,
I knew nothing about this. Once the

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penny dropped, I did appreciate it
a lot more, and I enjoyed the

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second half more than the first.
But you know, let's be honest,

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they can't. Their concept of grave
robbers and those that profit from their crime

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is appalling and it doesn't sit it
all comfortably with me. Still, I

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thought the performances in this movie were
solid and naturalistic. Josh O'Connor he occupies

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the head space of the disheveled protagonist
rather well. You get the feeling that

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with his gift, he's very much
caught up in his own headspace. Carol

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Duarte does a fine job transposing Italia
from subservient to buoyant, and I thought

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that Isabella Rossalini was very spirited as
the family matriarch, Vincenzo Nimolato as a

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good handle on his roguish persona as
a leading member of the gang the twenty

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somethings I spoke about, and lou
Roy Locholenet as spark as the woman in

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whom he shows more than a passing
interest. Her name is Melody, the

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character that she plays, and she's
familiar with the mysterious fence that the crew

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uses to offload their fines. A
person known as Spartaco played by Alba roch

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Wacha, who I dare say would
be related to the writer and director Alice.

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I don't know whether you know that, Peter. You seem to sisters.

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There we go. Capturing the JOI
de vive of the impoverished gypsy spirit

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is critical and nicely realized in what
I thought was the production design of Luck

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Camara. It's a picture which is
very much for selective tastes. It does

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require concentration to get the most out
of and I found it interesting but stretched.

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Gregory King, what about you?
I found it stretched, and like

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you, Alex, I found it
really hard to get in your film.

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With the first half which was slow
moving, and it did pick up a

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little bit towards the end. But
yeah, I just couldn't engage with the

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carriages, I'm afraid. Yeah,
I mean I thought it was only interesting,

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but I just couldn't engage with the
characters. Well, isn't it anew?

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I mean, the josh O Connor
carried? How does this eclectic British

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archaeologist it had come to Italy in
the first place? I mean, you

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know, there was no explanation.
I suppose people do, you know,

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strange things. But I would have
liked a little bit more background, would

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you not. Yeah, A little
bit would have helped understand the character a

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lot more. I think, Yes, yeah, Peter, you obviously got

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a lot more out of it,
and that you're entitled to be wrong.

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It's okay, thank you very much. I dreamt about that anyway. No,

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look, La Kimura refers to of
course kim is it? It's kimra?

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Okay, how you pronounce it?
That's the Italian pronunciation, Yeah,

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when we call it. Look,
certainly, is Peter really Peter? Or

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patisserie? Okay, you're a nice
little morsel. There we go, you

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go here, be careful where this
is going now. La kimura Is references

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both Greek mythology and the sort of
that elusive objective desire in terms of finding

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something for wealth and Alice Roavacha,
who directed The Wonders and Happy as Lazaro,

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which was such a superb film,
she likes to deal with people or

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characters who are just outside the mainstream, who are perhaps living an experience that

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isn't quite in accord with everyone else
around them. Sorry, be just outside

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the mainstream. This is a long
way outside the mainstream. Well, yes,

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because there is a dream like aspect
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absolutely, because there is a consciousness
issue in this film as well Josh

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O'Connor's character and what he understands or
experiences. Look, I found this film

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very impressive because it again deals with, as I said, people who are

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not quite in accord with who we
are as ordinary individuals and are seeking things,

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looking for things that we are not
necessary really happy about, but that

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it is for their own self developmental, for their own I don't know,

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for their own victories of whatever.
So finding these historical artifacts is a way

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of in some way finding something that
matches their personality and their and their quest.

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So because of that, the film
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a dream like quality to it,
which I liked very much, especially because

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Vaha deals with filmmaking in a way
that is not the usual type of narrative

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structure, so as a commentary on
various people and lives and set in the

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nineteen eighties as it is, I
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film that, yes, does require
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the way the film is going.
But I really liked it, did you?

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Okay, So let's start with Greg, because I think this. I

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think Greg will give it the lower
lowest score. I'll give it the second,

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and you'll give it the third.
La chimera or kimera or whatever is

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that like a camaro the old car, no presents or something? Is basically

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what k is? Did you say
heavenly presence, no etherial ethereal present.

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Yeah, that's why I mentioned the
word ethereal. Pardon me, all right,

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Greek. So this is my my
ignorance showing through my heathen qualities.

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I apologize having said that. What
would you give lakimera? I'm not going

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to do it? Six out of
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rate at one hundred and thirty three
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ten, Peter, and I'm giving
it eight out of ten. I really

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liked it, right, So I'm
right again because my average is the average?

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Is that right? Don't know what
you're saying to me, Peter?

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Is that right? Hey? No? You know what? Okay? All

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right? Fair enough? You are
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to u's fifty four bucks a year
at costs. That's all it does.

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You're going to course listen for free. But we need community support. That's

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what community radio stations are all about. I'm about the cough you talk about

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yourselves for a moment. That goes
down really well on radio, does it

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not? Peter? Where's that dumb
butt when you needed We needed that?

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So? Yeah, speaking too much? Monkey Man No, sorry, I

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wasn't referring to you, Petter Golly, I'm going to be sued, sue,

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Grab it and run. Monkey Man
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I've been wanting to talk about for
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Yeah, I mean, if that's
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hundred and twenty one minutes rated,
and it's kind of like East meets West.

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It's an action thriller inspired by the
legend. I'm going to mispronounce this.

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You can correct me better or great
the legend of Hanuman. There's a

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deity in Hinduism who's quite strong and
heroic and loving. And there's a character

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called Kid played by Dev Patel,
who loved his mother, Niela, who

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was murdered when he was still young, and his memories of her are deep

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and enduring. So all these lee
years later, Kid seeks retribution against the

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greedy and corrupt officials that were behind
his mother's slaying, and in his sights

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is a supposed spiritual leader called Baba
and the corrupt chief of police, Rayna

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Singh. And now Kid seeks out
a meager living. He puts on a

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gorilla mask. He gets beaten and
bloodied in an underground fight club operated by

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Tiger and Tiger's roll filled by Charlto
Copley, South African actor. To get

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to Rana, Kid finds additional work
as a kitchen hand at a restaurant come

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club operated by a ruthless individual called
Queenie, and she provides drugs and prostitutes

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to wealthy clients who include Rayner Rainer
seeing the Chief of Police. By prevailing

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upon one of Queene's gophers, Kid
gets access to the VIP area and a

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bloody confrontation with Rayner follows. A
lot more set out set to play out

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before Kid finds in his ultimate revenge
after he's trained in mortal combat, which

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brings mind and body together, hence
the East meets West. I think this

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has got a lot in common Monkey
Man with the ultraviolent John Wick series,

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although it is not as good.
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One hundred and twenty one minutes rated, certainly didn't sustain its two hour one

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minute running time, and at times
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waiting for the elongated scenes to end. So as the co writer and a

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first director, dam Patel has been
indulgent and if a look, he fares

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better in the acting stakes, at
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persona that his character adopts, and
so too Chaldo Copley, who is sleees

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personified as the illegal fight promoter.
Look. Even though I've been on multiple

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visits to India and I thoroughly enjoyed
those visits, and people were lovely,

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and the places to see it were
quite intoxicating, especially the taj I listened

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closely to what I was hearing and
seeing, but I had difficultly understanding several

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of the accents in this movie.
Having said that, notwithstanding that the film

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is visceral, which is the second
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lack of dialogue also concerned me.
And yeah, the action scenes are well

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choreographed, but I found the constant
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Got the impression that the filmmakers thought
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a younger audience. Also, much
of Monkey Man is obvious, you know,

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relatively early on exactly where it's heading. Nor can I categorically say that

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the journey is all worthwhile taking,
mixing the mythical, the religious and the

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kick. But actioner was a bitch
too far from me. As much as

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I didn't want to, I struggled
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heavily marketed as we speak. Also
worth pointing out that I generally do like

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tense action movies, the genre I
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It's a try hard pick, but
one that didn't come together as well as

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I would have liked it. To
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actually like this film because you did, right, we move on to because

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it is actually a step above John
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sort of revenge drama, full of
elegated as you've mentioned, action sequences and

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so on. What Dev Patel has
done in this film is he mixed that

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sort of Hannaman superhero type religious sort
of quality to trying to achieve something for

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the downtrodden, for the poor,
for those who are treated badly. And

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I found it, well, he's
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That's my concern. I don't think
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worked, given that he is trying
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the action. That's why I struggled. Well, I think it actually works

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because there is a real point or
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that he's undertaken. And what I
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transgender community and the gay community as
part of that downtrodden sort of atmosphere.

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I thought this is a very clever
sort of integration of how people are treated

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so badly and revenge has to be
sought. Look, the whole fight club

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sort of aspect is well achieved early
on in the film, and the use

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of the monkey mask to portray dev
Patel's character as potentially a hero who is

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going to avenge the treatment of so
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And in fact, there's even a
reference to John Wick in the film itself

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very early on, when there's a
comment made about, oh, do you

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think you're going to be a John
Wick? And I thought, how interesting

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that he does a bit of self
referencing to a possible influence on his film

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Monkey Man. I like the idea
of defeating power and control with that sort

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of aggressive sort of stance that he
takes in this film. I think he

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did it very well. Yes,
it's not a perfect film in many respects

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because it does go on a little
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subject matter that isn't always dealt with
in this type of revenge drama, I

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give him kudos for making I think
quite an interesting film. Great, surely

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you didn't think as much of it
as Beta I. You enjoy this It's

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a really perfectly violent, brutal and
blood smoke coach revenge surer, which I

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call an Indian John Witt basically.
But I thought the action sequences were quite

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well saved. This is actually something
of a passion project for Badel, who

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wrote the script and also directed the
film. Yeah, he's been winding this

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to be made for Long Top and
Greg. That's quite true. Yeah,

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and I think he proves himself to
be quite an interesting film maker behind the

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camera there. The shows plenty of
promise, and I like some of the

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stylish, stylish choices he made in
the way he framed and saved some of

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these brutal, fast paced and carefully
choreographed white sequences which showed influence of both

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martial arts cinema and the kinetic action
cinema of Korea. And there's also a

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touch of taxi driver thrown in for
good measure as he tries to protect this

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crossing super works at the club as
well. So I thought that was a

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nice time as well. I thought
the cinematographer should has had a good job

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ensued in the action, capturing the
action with handheld cameras. Statism de sica

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at all and creates a vivid contrast
between the swams and the dirty streets of

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the city and the bright neion interior
of the club where some of the action

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takes place there. Yeah, I
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and tell as obviously worked out here. So Bill bulk up for the kick

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ass action here. Who plays here
undergone a bit of a physical transformation and

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this is a bit of a different
role for him. He's better known for

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roles in these like The Best Best
Exotic marigolda Hotel, some Jobionaire and nine

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and that, But he's under gone
a remarkable physical transformation here. And apparently

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he suffered quite a few of injuries
during the film in there because of the

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physicality of all. But I just
wondered, I could this be his your

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audition? He would come the next
James Bond. Well, that's interesting.

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That's an interesting thought. Are you
you think he's got a realistic chance of

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being the ext change Bond Well on
your show? And here he has this?

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Okay. I thought a guy called
Pitterbash provided some much comic relief with

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his performance here, But I thought
the villain of the piece was a bit

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of a one dimensional cardboard cutout without
any real depth. Okay, well score,

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I'll give you the low score.
Then I'm giving it a six out

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of ten. For Monkey Man,
it's yeah, I wanted to be sort

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of more cohesive, and it's a
it's harder than twenty one minutes Greek,

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what about you? Six to six
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so you spoke of it more fondly, but it's still only six to

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six and a half. So I
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it doesn't quite rise to out heights
unlike Beta you and so Peter go on,

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I reckon, you'll give this an
eight to eight? And ah,

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what are you giving? Just before
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mention the film, even though it's
set in India, was actually shot in

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Indonesia, so I found so interesting. Anyway, I give the film seven

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out of ten. So only a
seven after all this, So the average

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is very close to what I was
saying. If I was a six,

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Greg was what a six to six
and a half? You're a seven?

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It's there we go, So does
it? Okay? What score does it

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need to get to be a decent
film? I would have thought a seven.

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In general, generally, Okay,
I want to know this from you,

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Greg. If you give a film
a seven, would that make it

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a decent film? Yeah? Okay, Peter, of course seven and above

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is a very decent score. So
collectively this doesn't quite get there close,

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but no Cigar, Well, collectively
yeah, oh yeah. Okay. Now

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let's let's move to Let's move to
origin. Now, okay, so this

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is a very Again, it's a
movie that didn't need to be as long

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as it is. I'll ask you
that straight off, Beata, what do

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you think? Yes, it does, Greg, No, I thought it

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was a bit too long and a
bit repeated for what it did. Yes,

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I totally agree with you. So
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journey. It was an interesting concept
and it's spent a lot of time trying

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to convince itself that it needed the
leaks. But I just want two hours

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twenty one minutes is what we're talking
about, and it's righted. M Isabelle

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Wicked Wilkinson played by Adjanu Ellis Taylor
does not know it, but she's about

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to lose the two most important people
in her life inside a year, and

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a third is going to follow not
long after. So they're basically going to

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going to go to God. And
that happened soon after she published her first

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novel, which one heard, the
Pulitzer Prize for Drama. So the litley,

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I'll call it what it is,
the litany of disaster in terms of

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death, is more than most people
could bear. And yet, in spite

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of everything that's crumbling around her,
Wilkinson's Wilkinson finds a way to pen another

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really piece of work, n Verse
second book and the triggers provided by the

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editor of The Times called a person
called Amari Selvin, a role filled by

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Lair Underwood, he prevails upon Wilkson
to write and an authoritative piece in the

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wake of the slaying. You might
remember this name of African American Trayvon Martin.

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Martin was killed at the age of
seventeen on the twenty sixth of February

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twenty twelve. Find it hard to
believe it's been that many years. It's

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extraordinary. He was unfortunately fatally shot
by a twenty eight year old Hispanic American

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called George Zimmermann. Although Wilkeson tells
Selvin that she's on a hiatus or on

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hiatus from the paper, from the
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She agrees to listen to a recording
of the Martin shooting, and that

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precipitates a deep dive into the origin
of oppression against peoples who are considered lowly.

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Wilkerson insists that that isn't about racism. Rather, it's a reflection of

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the caste system, whether that involves
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or Dullits in India. She maintains
all these people have been marginalized, and

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she links the subjugation of the Jews
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She sets out on a fact finding
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she goes to India, and she
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Wilkson's theory or not. The challenge
for the writer and director avad Verni was

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00:33:00.119 --> 00:33:07.799
to translate this concept into an understandable
and watchable movie. Her inspiration was a

402
00:33:07.880 --> 00:33:15.480
book written by Wilkerson called Caste The
Origins of Our Discontents. Diverna has chosen

403
00:33:15.039 --> 00:33:22.519
an artistic interpretation, and although origin
is linear, Wilkerson's journeys punctuated by frequent

404
00:33:22.559 --> 00:33:29.640
flashbacks to events that unfolded in her
life and throughout history. The latter harks

405
00:33:29.720 --> 00:33:35.480
back to bold research in America's Deep
South, to a Nazi meeting determining the

406
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fate of the Jews, and the
emergence of a heroic Indian figure. Although

407
00:33:42.599 --> 00:33:47.440
the acting is heartfelt led admirably,
I thought by and Johnnie Ellis Taylor,

408
00:33:49.000 --> 00:33:52.640
the film took a long time to
take off. Then it became repetitious and

409
00:33:53.319 --> 00:33:59.000
is that word again stretched. Once
the road that Wilkeson was on was established,

410
00:33:59.279 --> 00:34:04.720
getting there came somewhat tortuous. Now, make no mistake, many of

411
00:34:04.759 --> 00:34:07.960
the incidents depicted are truly shocking.
In fact, they eat into one psyche.

412
00:34:08.119 --> 00:34:13.440
But I couldn't help thinking I was
at university being lectured. And I

413
00:34:13.440 --> 00:34:17.079
say that because the point seem to
be proving Wilkerson's theory, even though it

414
00:34:17.199 --> 00:34:22.639
was questioned along the way. There's
no doubt I was moved by what I

415
00:34:22.679 --> 00:34:27.280
saw, but I was still left
frustrated by the circuitous route that the film

416
00:34:27.320 --> 00:34:31.559
took. Also, I should mention
John burnin Thal he plays Wilkerson's husband,

417
00:34:31.599 --> 00:34:37.039
Brett Hamilton. It is called Origin. It's one hundred minutes that this turned

418
00:34:37.039 --> 00:34:39.760
into a hudred and forty one.
In other words, what I'm saying is

419
00:34:39.960 --> 00:34:44.119
one hundred minutes would have done me
fine, Greek King, what about you?

420
00:34:44.920 --> 00:34:49.320
Yeah, look, this is a
film that's got some big ideas and

421
00:34:49.440 --> 00:34:52.920
yield with some heavyweight material, But
it is a film that I think struggles

422
00:34:52.920 --> 00:34:57.719
to connect with the audience. As
you mentioned, Derek, looks at all

423
00:34:57.760 --> 00:35:01.320
these seen from the past, interested
the treatment of the Jews in World War

424
00:35:01.360 --> 00:35:08.199
Two, slavery was still quite confronting
images there on the slave ships, the

425
00:35:08.239 --> 00:35:13.000
concentration camps and all that kind of
thing. But I just found a film

426
00:35:13.000 --> 00:35:17.639
that made it really hard to connect
emotionally with the with the audience. It's

427
00:35:17.639 --> 00:35:22.079
more of an intellectual It's a head
banger, that's right. Yeah, yeah,

428
00:35:22.360 --> 00:35:27.280
scratch your head banger. I mean, look, I think it's one

429
00:35:27.280 --> 00:35:32.440
of these things. Making esoteric meaningful
to everybody is a challenge that any filmmaker

430
00:35:32.480 --> 00:35:38.360
can tackle that don won't necessarily succeed
in in pulling off. It's conceptually it's

431
00:35:38.400 --> 00:35:42.960
a good idea, Does it really
work, Greeg I suppose that's my question

432
00:35:43.000 --> 00:35:45.199
to you. No, it didn't
really work for me. I was scratching

433
00:35:45.199 --> 00:35:47.599
my head at times, you know, just as you said, I found

434
00:35:47.599 --> 00:35:52.119
some of it a little bit better
to do and a little bit cold.

435
00:35:53.000 --> 00:35:58.239
Please are you're going to think this
is a masterpiece? Go ahead. I

436
00:35:58.280 --> 00:36:04.719
really like the film Surprise Surprise,
Yes, I know, and dislike anything

437
00:36:06.400 --> 00:36:13.320
well wait for it. But anyway, Ava Duvernet is an underrated African American

438
00:36:13.360 --> 00:36:20.480
filmmaker and she makes films that are
quite distinctive about the black experience in the

439
00:36:20.639 --> 00:36:22.960
US. I mean, look at
her film Selma, which I thought was

440
00:36:23.000 --> 00:36:29.360
such a wonderful film and so underrated
in many respects. What she has done

441
00:36:29.519 --> 00:36:36.920
Ava has done is taken Isabel Wilkerson's
novel, which has looked at investigating the

442
00:36:36.960 --> 00:36:45.840
reasons why humanity is so hating of
other people, and of the lower caste

443
00:36:45.880 --> 00:36:51.960
system being such an important aspect of
that research. And so what Avera has

444
00:36:52.000 --> 00:36:58.320
done is combined that sort of investigative
journalism and her own personal reflections as seen

445
00:36:58.360 --> 00:37:02.800
through the eyes of her lead actress, angeenu Ellis Taylor, and turned it

446
00:37:02.920 --> 00:37:10.599
into a story of journey and discovery
about the reasons for man's hatred of other

447
00:37:10.719 --> 00:37:15.159
men or other women, as the
case might be. And I found this

448
00:37:15.280 --> 00:37:22.719
very impressive because it was a carefully
charted journey that Ava has taken in adapting

449
00:37:22.840 --> 00:37:30.559
the novel and has come up with
I think some very important issues and aspects.

450
00:37:30.920 --> 00:37:34.679
Yes, it is carefully and slowly
developed, but I didn't mind that,

451
00:37:34.920 --> 00:37:39.519
because the whole reason for a journey
is to take time to build up

452
00:37:39.920 --> 00:37:47.639
the information and the eventual final outcomes
that the film comes up with. I

453
00:37:47.679 --> 00:37:52.920
really liked the film. I think
had a lot to say and draws together

454
00:37:52.960 --> 00:37:59.960
a lot of material which is not
necessarily that well known insofar as the key

455
00:38:00.159 --> 00:38:05.239
aspects of that hatred and the core
of that hatred. So I really liked

456
00:38:05.239 --> 00:38:07.320
the film. And there are some
interviews and some other things in the film

457
00:38:07.320 --> 00:38:14.440
as well, which I think really
comes together to portray this whole notion of

458
00:38:14.920 --> 00:38:19.800
anyone who's lower caste is in for
it. Do you think that she proves

459
00:38:19.840 --> 00:38:23.800
the theory or do you think she's
shoving it down our throats? Well,

460
00:38:24.320 --> 00:38:29.440
I mean any sort of theory has
to be proven, and I don't know

461
00:38:29.440 --> 00:38:32.519
about shoving it down the throat.
Did you not feel your being lectured?

462
00:38:32.519 --> 00:38:37.199
That's the point that I was making. I I was in the middle of

463
00:38:37.239 --> 00:38:40.559
an academic treatise, but I didn't
feel I was lectured. I felt I

464
00:38:40.679 --> 00:38:47.199
was led along a journey and a
pathway that gave me a very interesting conclusion.

465
00:38:47.840 --> 00:38:52.079
Do you think the concept that Greg
and I talked about a moment ago,

466
00:38:52.440 --> 00:38:57.760
the idea of turning something that's esoteric
into a narrative feature, which is

467
00:38:57.800 --> 00:39:01.280
a real challenge. Do you think
this should be tackled the way it has

468
00:39:01.360 --> 00:39:07.400
been tackled in Origin? Could it
have been done in a more universally acceptable

469
00:39:07.519 --> 00:39:14.079
form that would have given it more
mass appeal? Well, it looks you

470
00:39:14.119 --> 00:39:16.920
could have turned it into a documentary
for goodness sake. To turn into a

471
00:39:17.000 --> 00:39:22.559
narrative which also has personal stories and
other aspects to it, I think does

472
00:39:22.639 --> 00:39:27.679
make it accessible to an audience.
Yes, not everyone will necessarily want to

473
00:39:27.719 --> 00:39:30.800
access that, but that's fine.
I mean we have to be careful not

474
00:39:30.880 --> 00:39:37.039
to dismiss a filmmaker's approach. I
get that, But Peter that okay.

475
00:39:37.360 --> 00:39:42.119
If you are going to try and
make this more accessible, especially because of

476
00:39:42.119 --> 00:39:45.760
its esoteric nature, do you not
need to be cognizant of not making it

477
00:39:46.039 --> 00:39:50.119
stretching it out the way they did? I mean, a film can take

478
00:39:50.159 --> 00:39:52.960
its time. It doesn't need to
be two hours twenty one minutes long as

479
00:39:52.039 --> 00:39:59.159
origin was in this case, it
takes a long time to get there.

480
00:40:00.119 --> 00:40:04.159
No, and that's fine. I
admired the journey. It didn't bother me

481
00:40:04.239 --> 00:40:06.920
one bit. All right, Greg
you're going to give it the lowmark.

482
00:40:06.960 --> 00:40:09.679
I'm going to give a medium.
So what's your lowmark for origin? Rateed

483
00:40:09.840 --> 00:40:14.079
m One hundred and forty one minutes? We are struggle to collect with it

484
00:40:14.119 --> 00:40:15.599
on a law of notion, Gay, I'm going to do it six out

485
00:40:15.599 --> 00:40:20.199
of ten. I'm giving it a
seven out of ten because I still think

486
00:40:20.239 --> 00:40:22.440
it was worthy, but it wasn't
as good as it could have been.

487
00:40:22.800 --> 00:40:25.800
And Peter, you will be giving
it around about an eight out of ten.

488
00:40:25.880 --> 00:40:29.679
Go on, you have read my
mind eight out of ten for me?

489
00:40:30.119 --> 00:40:31.280
So does that make me right again? Six? Seven? Eight?

490
00:40:31.639 --> 00:40:36.320
What's the mid? Think you right? Or it might be left exactly?

491
00:40:36.440 --> 00:40:39.639
Thank you very much. Okay,
we are going to well do you do

492
00:40:39.679 --> 00:40:45.559
you view that as an omen Peter? Maybe the first one? Thank you

493
00:40:45.639 --> 00:40:47.679
very much, indeed, which is
exactly what we're going to talk about for

494
00:40:47.880 --> 00:40:52.719
the first omen. Now, okay, do you remember the original omen Peter?

495
00:40:53.440 --> 00:40:59.239
I did Gregory Peck of course start
in that film from nineteen seventy six.

496
00:41:00.599 --> 00:41:04.719
So was the original Omen of first
Omen I did? Sorry, that's

497
00:41:04.519 --> 00:41:07.159
that's a dad joke. That's a
great Why didn't you come up with that?

498
00:41:07.280 --> 00:41:10.239
Please? I didn't want to hold
your limeline Ale. It's a sure

499
00:41:10.320 --> 00:41:14.639
show. Thank you very much,
all right, So there was an oment

500
00:41:14.679 --> 00:41:19.079
of things to come. I think
it is. I like I like the

501
00:41:19.119 --> 00:41:22.039
original Omens. Along with the exercise
I did. It was one of the

502
00:41:22.039 --> 00:41:25.400
great horror films of the seventies.
Yes, yeah, absolutely well, the

503
00:41:25.440 --> 00:41:30.079
mood, the music, everything,
Bredery pit Pass against type a little bit

504
00:41:30.119 --> 00:41:37.039
there, Lee Remitt and David Warner
as a PRECICAD recipient. What did we

505
00:41:37.039 --> 00:41:39.039
say, nineteen seventy six something like
that? Is that? What? Yep?

506
00:41:39.159 --> 00:41:43.199
Okay? So this is about the
first Omens, about the depths to

507
00:41:43.239 --> 00:41:47.039
which the church will go to maintain
power and control. We're talking nineteen seventy

508
00:41:47.039 --> 00:41:52.960
one, all right, So obviously
before the Omen came out. Yeah,

509
00:41:52.519 --> 00:41:57.519
that gives you a couple of similarity
thematic similarities to another film that came out

510
00:41:57.599 --> 00:42:00.519
just a couple of weeks ago called
Immaculate and Make It Exactly, which I

511
00:42:00.719 --> 00:42:04.880
still have to catch up on.
This is about a young American woman called

512
00:42:04.920 --> 00:42:08.840
Margaret Dano played by Nell Tiger Free
great name, moves from America to Rome

513
00:42:08.960 --> 00:42:14.599
to become a nun, and she
was awayward child. She was an orphan.

514
00:42:15.440 --> 00:42:20.480
She saw the way forward when she
was mentored by and now cardinal Cardinal

515
00:42:20.679 --> 00:42:24.079
Lawrence played by Bill Nye, and
the Cardinal is actually there to meet and

516
00:42:24.239 --> 00:42:30.320
encourage the woman who simply loves life
and loves the church. When she arrives

517
00:42:30.400 --> 00:42:36.639
at the center of Catholicism, Dano
is what's called a novitiate, and a

518
00:42:36.719 --> 00:42:42.039
novitiate is a nune in training the
probationary period, if you like, of

519
00:42:42.079 --> 00:42:46.840
her spiritual journey. She's housed in
an orphanage for girls run by the abst

520
00:42:47.119 --> 00:42:53.760
sister silver Sonya Braga, who oversees
the nuns and the novitiates that live there.

521
00:42:54.440 --> 00:43:00.239
And what greets Dano is hardly what
she expected. First up, her

522
00:43:00.320 --> 00:43:06.320
roommate Lose the Les, played by
Maria Caballero. She has had much less

523
00:43:06.320 --> 00:43:10.320
of a sheltered up ringing less of
a sheltered upbringing than Margaret Dano, and

524
00:43:10.360 --> 00:43:15.119
she encourages Dano to let her hair
down and a big night on the town

525
00:43:15.280 --> 00:43:21.280
follows. Secondly, at the Orphanage, Dano is rather intrigued by and takes

526
00:43:21.559 --> 00:43:28.320
two the oldest girl there, Carlita
Skiana played by Nicole SaaS. I think

527
00:43:28.360 --> 00:43:34.400
she's about sixteen. She's isolated,
she's ostracized. Sister Silver warns Dano about

528
00:43:34.440 --> 00:43:40.679
Skiana, but Skiana's witnessed horrors at
the Orphanage, to which Dano also becomes

529
00:43:40.719 --> 00:43:46.599
privy. It's then that an Irish
priest called Father Brennan played by Ralph Innocent,

530
00:43:47.159 --> 00:43:53.280
seeks out Dano to warn her of
a terrifying conspiracy within the church,

531
00:43:54.079 --> 00:44:00.840
one that will come to envelop her. This is a prequel to the classic

532
00:44:00.920 --> 00:44:06.519
Cora film franchise that began with Richard
Donns The Omen of Course that introduced us

533
00:44:06.519 --> 00:44:10.239
to Damian the Antichrist, the first
omen Well. It's co written, directed

534
00:44:10.280 --> 00:44:17.480
by A. Kasha Stephenson and Kasia
Stephenson cut her teeth on TV series and

535
00:44:17.519 --> 00:44:22.800
this marks her feature film taboot.
Thanks partly to lighting and sound and some

536
00:44:23.000 --> 00:44:28.800
eye opening close up photography or cinematography, it has shock value. In other

537
00:44:28.800 --> 00:44:34.039
words, it bites before the story
becomes well. I reckon preposterous. I

538
00:44:34.079 --> 00:44:37.639
did appreciate the white eyed innocence and
the realization that all is not what it

539
00:44:37.760 --> 00:44:44.320
seems, displayed by Nell Tiger free
So to the characterization by Sonya Braga as

540
00:44:44.320 --> 00:44:49.159
the head of the orphanage who's privyed
much more than she lets on. Maria

541
00:44:49.239 --> 00:44:55.360
Caballero adds some spice as the party
girl None in the making, Ralph Innocent

542
00:44:55.599 --> 00:45:00.880
leans into Israel as the troubled man
of the cloth who is the worst,

543
00:45:00.239 --> 00:45:07.280
and Nicoles the race provides an edginess
as the orphan surrounded by a sinister darkness.

544
00:45:07.880 --> 00:45:12.519
Before it's over, the filmmakers were
angled for a sequel, this being

545
00:45:12.519 --> 00:45:15.760
a vehicle to reboot the franchise.
How best to enjoy this? How best

546
00:45:15.760 --> 00:45:20.599
to enjoy the First Omen? Suspend
belief, allow the jump scares and the

547
00:45:20.639 --> 00:45:22.400
creepiness to take over, and then
I think you can get quite a bit

548
00:45:22.440 --> 00:45:27.599
out of it. Called the First
Omen Greek? What did you think?

549
00:45:29.480 --> 00:45:34.000
An interesting film that it works as
a prequel to the None ind seventy ships

550
00:45:34.000 --> 00:45:37.760
original. There and there are a
few moments that do reference the original film.

551
00:45:38.039 --> 00:45:45.199
Earliest scene sets up extended scene I
thought resenting for another defenestration. There's

552
00:45:45.360 --> 00:45:47.840
a scene where a nun is on
a balcony saying this is all for you,

553
00:45:47.920 --> 00:45:52.920
which also recalled a scene from the
original. Omen so that we be

554
00:45:53.000 --> 00:45:58.400
careful to draw some connections between this
film and the original. You set it

555
00:45:58.480 --> 00:46:04.159
up as a proper prequel there,
so thenk some of the the manicalments are

556
00:46:04.239 --> 00:46:07.920
quite strong there. I thought a
couple of the performances were quite shut and

557
00:46:07.960 --> 00:46:13.039
good. They're built. Lie sort
of does what he does well, a

558
00:46:13.039 --> 00:46:19.679
little bit uncomfortable, untrustworthy early on, a bit unctuous. The mother superior

559
00:46:19.760 --> 00:46:25.880
the scene was quite intimidating. I
thought, did that quite well. And

560
00:46:25.920 --> 00:46:29.760
as you said, a few jump
scares. A lot of action takes place

561
00:46:29.840 --> 00:46:35.159
in dark lighting. There a slow
built of suspense and horror there. The

562
00:46:35.239 --> 00:46:38.159
ending is not quite as graphic as
the inning of your maculate which I mentioned

563
00:46:38.519 --> 00:46:45.719
before. There, and it's interesting
that that the that conspiracy theorists in it

564
00:46:45.039 --> 00:46:50.239
are now coming out on social media. And in the original the child of

565
00:46:50.320 --> 00:46:53.880
the Devil was called Damien Fawn in
the open and three he became president of

566
00:46:53.880 --> 00:47:00.400
the United States with the industrial DT
the obvious link has been drawn. Mm

567
00:47:00.440 --> 00:47:06.480
hmm, absolutely so heurists, would
you would you recommend this film? Yeah?

568
00:47:07.920 --> 00:47:09.880
And there is certainly better than a
couple of other Omen films. I

569
00:47:09.920 --> 00:47:15.559
thought you quite well better than the
awful remake that came out a few years

570
00:47:15.559 --> 00:47:20.360
ago, would Leeds Schreiber, which
was pretty ordinarily not a patch on the

571
00:47:20.400 --> 00:47:25.880
first and the best Omen and the
sequel Damian. Yeah. Look, it's

572
00:47:27.039 --> 00:47:32.400
in mid mid mid midfield for me. In the Yeomen Mythology and the First

573
00:47:32.400 --> 00:47:37.000
Omens one hundred and nineteen minutes rated
M. A. Peter, What did

574
00:47:37.000 --> 00:47:40.800
you think of it? I think
the Catholic Church should set up a class

575
00:47:40.840 --> 00:47:49.159
action against many of these filmmakers who
obviously see the Catholic Church and Horror and

576
00:47:49.360 --> 00:47:53.559
the Antichrist and so on as being
such a significant aspect of filmmaking. I

577
00:47:53.599 --> 00:47:57.760
think they need to have their revenge. Not let's be let's be honest.

578
00:47:57.760 --> 00:48:02.440
The Church hasn't it exactly covered itself
in or in many respects as good as

579
00:48:02.480 --> 00:48:07.679
religion can be, whichever religion it
is. There's been people exploiting it,

580
00:48:07.719 --> 00:48:12.679
shall we say? Certainly that is
the case. But in this film I

581
00:48:13.280 --> 00:48:16.559
thought it was much more exploitative.
I really felt this first Omen as a

582
00:48:16.559 --> 00:48:22.000
prequel was unnecessary. I think it
covered so much in many respects of the

583
00:48:22.039 --> 00:48:28.039
ground of the nineteen seventy sixth film. I think leading up to where that

584
00:48:28.119 --> 00:48:32.599
film was released the OMEN, I
thought, look, this was fairly obvious,

585
00:48:32.719 --> 00:48:39.679
the usual scares and blood and violent. Bill Nye obviously has become the

586
00:48:39.719 --> 00:48:45.000
new Michael Caine. He's now taking
any role that he's being offered. Child's

587
00:48:45.079 --> 00:48:47.960
dance was there at the start of
the film, but that was a no

588
00:48:49.079 --> 00:48:53.079
brainer. And you'll know what I
mean when you see the film. And

589
00:48:54.000 --> 00:49:01.440
overall I felt the film was exploitative, silly, unnecessary, and I wasn't

590
00:49:01.480 --> 00:49:06.599
overly impressedive and that was reasonably well
directed. Well you're going to give it

591
00:49:06.599 --> 00:49:08.360
the low mark. I reckon based
on all of that. The first OMEN

592
00:49:08.360 --> 00:49:13.519
in a one nineteen minutes, So
go for it. Peter, I barely

593
00:49:13.519 --> 00:49:19.880
give it five out of ten.
Gregory six, I'm just guessing close to

594
00:49:20.159 --> 00:49:22.880
five and a half. See I'm
five and a half six and I'm giving

595
00:49:22.880 --> 00:49:27.920
it a seven. So there you
go. Five six, seven consisted today.

596
00:49:28.000 --> 00:49:30.960
Alex eh very strange, I have
I don't know why what's going on.

597
00:49:31.280 --> 00:49:35.480
Let me also mention you were in
Sydney when it was a torrential rain.

598
00:49:35.559 --> 00:49:37.559
Had to be moved out of the
hotel. I was at a couple

599
00:49:37.599 --> 00:49:40.000
of weeks earlier and I saw the
opening night at West Side Story and it

600
00:49:40.119 --> 00:49:46.239
was magnificent, the performances, the
staging on Sydney Harbor. You have got

601
00:49:46.480 --> 00:49:52.000
fireworks going up, going off above
your head, you have a police.

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You got so much joy and delight
in this story. And it's a story

603
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that I've seen many, many times
on stage. But to see Side on

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Sydney Harbor on a warm night was
we don't have anything like it. It

605
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still gets me every time you go
to Sydney a lot too Greek. It's

606
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beautiful, isn't it the harbor normally
yes, if you can see it exactly

607
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you you just chose the wrong time
to go. But I would highly commend

608
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you can still see it if you're
going up to Sydney over the next few

609
00:50:21.159 --> 00:50:23.719
weeks you can. Yeah. I
mean it is well well well worth seeing.

610
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I really enjoyed it. And it's
Opera Australia that puts it on well.

611
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It's actually a hand to opera under
the auspices of Opera Australia, West

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Side Story and Absolute Ripper, and
there are lots of other shows that you

613
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can go along and see as well
when you get to Sydney. I was

614
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rather shocked the show that I saw, which was a national theater that came

615
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out to Australia and it was called
The Lehman Trilogy. Unfortunately, there were

616
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three great actors and the guy really
took our breath away, my wife and

617
00:50:57.079 --> 00:51:00.440
I. He passed away a couple
of weeks after he did the show.

618
00:51:00.519 --> 00:51:02.679
I just found it so stunning.
I think it was sixty years of age.

619
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I mean, just as terrible because
this week Nathan Templeton, a forty

620
00:51:07.480 --> 00:51:14.000
four year old journo from Channel seven, died unexpectedly as well. I mean,

621
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I know, bad things happen to
people all the time, but somehow

622
00:51:17.199 --> 00:51:21.320
you feel you know these people once
you've seen them on stage or seen them

623
00:51:21.320 --> 00:51:25.679
on the screen. And varlais to
both of those gentlemen and anybody else that

624
00:51:25.760 --> 00:51:30.599
happens to have lost somebody near and
dear to them in recent times or in

625
00:51:30.679 --> 00:51:34.800
times past. So perhaps next week
I can also tell you a little bit

626
00:51:34.800 --> 00:51:37.840
more about some of the other shows. There's a new David Wittism play on

627
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in Sydney, which is well worth
seeing. He's been in retirement he's come

628
00:51:43.360 --> 00:51:46.760
out. He's done another show.
It's called The Great Divide and that's at

629
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the Ensemble Theater near where the Governor
General's residence is and it's really worth seeing.

630
00:51:54.639 --> 00:52:00.360
That basically is on till the twenty
seventh of April. If you're going

631
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to Sydney, that's a show that
you should get along and see. I

632
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might be able to tell you a
little bit more about that next week.

633
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But it stars two big names,
Georgie Parker and the other one is John

634
00:52:12.079 --> 00:52:16.119
Wood. So yeah, it's it's
choppers and see if you can get a

635
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ticket. Definitely worthwhile. That's about
all we've got time for this week,

636
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unfortunately, so Greg King, thank
you very much. That's all right,

637
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thank you for having we and the
Raculton from one Peter Krause, Hello,

638
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hello and goodbye. Catch you next
week, guys on First On Film and Entertainment,