S03E04: Unseen Horrors: "The Zone of Interest" and the Shadow of Atrocity

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First on film and entertainment, and
there is a really important movie that was

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released a couple of days ago,
and I'd like to start there. There's

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been a lot of Holocaust movies released
over decades, and the standard is usually

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the highest of the high. I
don't think there's any genre that is more

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significant than Holocaust movies in terms of
the quality of productions. The zone of

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interest enters that sphere. Now it's
m rated, it's one hundred and five

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minutes, really distressing. It's well, the root of it all is pure

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evil and denial, and it focuses
on the commandant of Auschwitz and his family

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living in the lap of luxury while
victims in the concentration camp next door are

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ruthlessly murdered on mass So you've got
Rudolph Hoss played by Christian Friedel, applauded

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for the role he's played at Auschwitz, which is in Holland for four years

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right, has played a role in
that horrible environment. He and his wife

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Hadwig played by Sandra Hulla, and
their five children, including a baby,

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have everything they could possibly wish for. They've got this large home, sprawling

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garden, including a greenhouse and a
gazebo, and they have servants of plenty,

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and as Jews are gas to death, they have access to all the

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clothing and valuables they could want.
As if without a care in the world,

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they swim in the river. They
enjoy the convivial country life. Hoss

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is a clean sportsman, a horseman. In fact, he loves his steed

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deeply. He takes every opportunity to
ride. Meanwhile, plumes of dark smoke

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are continually seen rising into the sky
from the chimneys at Auschwitz. The top

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Brass is a bright future for the
ruthless and practical Hoss. Against his wishes,

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he's transferred and elevated to Deputy Inspector, while his wife and children stay

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behind, and in so doing Hoss
oversee other concentration camps to obtain greater efficiencies.

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He'll need to bring the latter to
the four because Hitler has just agreed

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to ports seven hundred thousand Jews from
Hungary, and of course he's up for

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the challenge. It's been written and
masterfully directed by Jonathan Glazer. The Zeta

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of Interest is based on a novel
by Martin Amos, and the film starts

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and ends in darkness against a troubling
music bed, which serves to illuminate the

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horrors. Throughout this movie, we
hear barbaric sounds emanating from Auschwitz, which

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is but a few hundred meters from
the Hoss residence. Hoss is an unbending

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authoritarian, while his wife treats the
help with indifference. At best. She

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recognizes what a perfect life she has, and all she's concerned about is when

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her husband will find the time to
take her on another spa holiday to Italy,

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and she even lets out girlish giggles. The performance of Christian Friedland Sandra

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Bulla are chilling, right. I
mean, that's what they were asked to

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do, and that's what the role
dictates, But they are chilling. The

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children appear to buy into the idyllic
picture, ignoring as far as possible the

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dastardly deeds being perpetrated within meters of
their home. It's impossible to see past

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the atrocities depicted in the zone of
interest, but these are handled in a

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way I hadn't seen before. Much
of the film unfolds through the power of

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suggestion, and the brutality is depicted
through the carefree life of Hedwig and the

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children. In contrast to the insidious
nature of the Nazi war machine. The

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latter only needs to be shown in
a handful of scenes to become entrenched in

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one's psyche, and the final scenes
go some way to highlighting the magnitude of

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what went down at our Schwitz and
at other concentration camps during the Second World

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War. Let us never forget that
six million Jewish lives were lost and countless

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Gypsies and others. So this is
traumatizing, but it needs to be seen.

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Incidentally, the title is that of
Interest, was drawn from the term

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used by the Nazis to describe the
forty square kilometer area surrounding Auschwitz, and

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it speaks to the determined, the
disquieting sense of obfuscation that permeates this movie.

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I thought it was an extraordinary production. I really did. With me.

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We have Jackie Hamilton, Peter Grause, and Greg King, all of

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whom have seen this movie. No
I haven't. Oh you haven't. I'm

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sorry. I didn't realize. What
about you, Peter, What did you

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think of the Zone of Interest?
Peter, he's chopped out. Oh no,

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he has dropped out. Well,
I'm afraid that we're gonna have to

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just do it with Jackie. Jackie, you're perfectly fine to do what's your

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view of your of the zone of
interest. It's a masterful film and what

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struck now like endless things strike you
that about this film, But mostly it's

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a new take, an original,
new take on a subject that's been discussed

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and talked about and filmed about for
decades. In you would think almost every

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way that's possible, this is a
whole new way of looking at it.

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By the most important things about it
is what you don't see. You hear

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it, you smell it, but
you actually don't see what's beyond, what's

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on the other side of the wall. And in fact, the Hoss family

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don't see it either. They live
their lives ignoring what's going on. But

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they see they do see the smoke, of course from the chimneys. Well

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let's say they see it. They
don't look at it, they don't notice

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it. It's not a part of
their life that they take in. And

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this undercurrent of horror that's not actually
spoken about is under everything they do and

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say, the air they breathe,
the river they swim in, the clothes

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they try on. We only just
start realizing what is the undercurrent that's going

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on during this film where the clothes
are from what is that in the river?

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So you know, it's just this
sort of heavy, endless horror that's

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behind the whole story. And you
know, as I say, you know

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this evil and they're living this banal
life, happy life, family life,

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and you can ignore it by growing
greenery over the wall because beyond the wall,

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we're not thinking about what's beyond there. The juxtaposition of the two is

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just horrific, and that's exactly the
and they obviously approached it the way they

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did, and I just I'm extraordinarily
amazed at the diversity of films surrounding the

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horrocaust. But how excellent many of
these films are, Jackie, you've seen

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a lot of them too, So
would you agree with my characterization that as

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a genre, the expectation is higher
than virtually any other genre, well higher

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than any other possibly because it's so
intense, so personal, so horrific,

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and there's still so much to say
about it. Yeah, So you don't

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realize that until someone comes up with
a different way of saying it all.

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And this, in fact, is
almost a very clinical it's almost a clinical

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fly on the wool documentary in a
way, because what we're looking at is

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the life of the family that's so
deeply connected with what's going on in Auschwitz,

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very much, so, very much
so. I vividly remember the film

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that opened the I think it was
a Jewish International film festival. It was

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a number of years ago, where
the concentration was on the back of the

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heads of the Is that that that
again? And it's that Saul? Sorry

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Saul, what was it? Isn't
it terrible? I'm just blank? What

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was it? Greg of Saul,
son of Saul, Yes, son of

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Saul, and the boy in the
struck pajamas has that similar feeling to it,

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but of course that similar intensity,
shall we say. But there's also

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the pianists that there was, Yes, that there were so many incredible films

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about the Holocaust, and this is
one of them. So Greg, no

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doubt you'll go and see this one, and it just it's an extraordinary films.

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I just reiterate that it's going to
be too much for some people.

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It's deeply, deeply distressing. So
it's called the Zete of Interest. It's

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rated M runs for one hundred and
five minutes. Jackie what would you give

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it out of ten? Eight out
of ten. I'd give it a nine

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out of ten. Owan. It
really is very very special. Let's move

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to a film which is incredibly polarizing. And I've spoken to a couple of

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people, you being one of them, Jackie, that didn't have the same

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feelings as me, and some found
at heart. I spoke to somebody only

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in the last few hours who walked
out on it, and that wasn't you.

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And it's called The Rooster Now,
it's MA rated, it's one hundred

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and one minutes and it's set in
a small town in rural Victoria. And

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it marks a highly imaginative and impactful
feature film to Boof for a write director

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called Mark Lennard Winter, and he's
a double helping award winning actor. He

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featured by the way, now Elvis
in Balibo, the Dressmaker, just to

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name a few. Now he's drawn
up on personal experience to create something I

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considered to be mighty special. And
it deals with masculinity, isolation and crisis.

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And it concerns an introverted policeman and
a hermit. And you've got Dan

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who's a cop like his father was
before him, played by Phoenix Ray.

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He lives alone with his chickens and
a beloved rooster, patrolling this one man

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satellite police station, and he's haunted
by his past. And when the body

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of his childhood friend Steve played by
Rhys Mitchell, is found buried in a

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shallow grave, Dan goes bush.
He turns to booze to try to satiate

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the guilt and heartache that he feels. He chances upon a volatile hermit played

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by Hugo Hugo Weaving, who lives
off the grid close to where his mate

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died. Upon discovering that this recluse, whose named Mitt, was the last

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man to see Steve alive, Dan
seeks answers as you'd expect to, an

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unlikely bond develops between the pair.
It's only when Dan, whose passion is

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literature and poetry, lets down his
guard that progress is made. It's only

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then that Dan can finally see a
way forward, the way through the dark

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cloud that hangs over his life.
I found it quite an extraordinary film,

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a substantive quality piece of work in
which, with a great deal of care

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and attention to detail, all the
pieces fit together. It tackles mental health

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from the inside out. What I
mean by that is, what is it

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like to be inside the mindset of
the policeman and the hermit? How does

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one simply cope and get through each
day? There are many scenes in what

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is a beautifully shot and realized film, the cinematography by Craig Barden, when

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words are all but superfluous and principal
photography took place in the hepburn Shire where

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Mark Winter and his wife, who
is one of the film's producers, Geraldine

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Ackiwell live. I Reckon Winters in
fact the master of the unspoken. He

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ensures that sounds and silences speak volumes, so the rooster is given time to

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breathe. The natural bird noise is
found in the country. In the forest

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are intermingled with classical jazz and religious
music. The composer is Stephan Gregory and

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he's played into Winter's vision magnificently.
And then there are the suburb performances of

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Ray and Weaving, who fully realize
the depths of the anguish of the two

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central characters. Both are withdrawn in
their own way. There's regret, there's

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failure, there's shame. Ray's portrayal
of Dan is sensitive and caring, while

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as mit weaving is often demonstrative and
threatening, but these seemingly polar polar opposite

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characterizations can't hide their respective character's pain, and it's the juxtaposition that helps make

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this picture as strong as it is. So Winter et al are to be

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commended for their fortitude in crafting a
left of center production that is undeniably triumphant.

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What about you, Jackie, I
know you struggled with this one.

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I didn't get this film, The
Rooster. It just didn't work for me.

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The characters. Look, I didn't
really understand it, Alex. When

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I started to watch it and it
didn't rope me in. I probably should

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have gone away, read about it, grasped what it was trying to put

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across, and then started all over
again. But you know, do you

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have to do that with a film
to appreciate it. I guess when it's

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worth it, it's a good thing. But in my case, I didn't

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take that extra effort with The Rooster, and it really did nothing for me.

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Yeah, look, it's interesting.
I didn't know what it was about,

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Alex. You know it was it
was artie. It was all over

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the shop. The music was irritating, the I didn't believe the characters,

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you know, dream sequences and weirdness, and it was weird. Yeah,

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it's interesting. I didn't. I
didn't see any of that, and I

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hadn't. I had no knowledge of
the film before I went in. None.

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So again, different people will interpret
a film in a different way,

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and it'll speak to some and wait
to speak to others. H did you

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did you accept that both of the
central players had mental health issues? Did

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you sort of get that early on? Or you didn't get that? Well?

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No, no, I didn't.
I want to say that maybe the

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director do you, But that wasn't
That was only my flippant comment with regards

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to the way film presented itself to
me. So you know, maybe that

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should have if that had been clear. And you see, I didn't read

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even a synopsis before. No,
no, no, But what I'm saying

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is neither did I? Right?
No, But I mean thinkers like dream

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sequences, you know, thank you
sorly, that's certainly suddenly the lines gone.

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Really you give me jackin barely.
I think Peter might have joined Peter

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might have joined the group, and
it might have some issues there. But

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anyway, No, so I did
find in this, I mean what was

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a dream sequence, what was a
nightmare, what was a mental health issue?

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It all becomes, you know,
sort of all intertwined into a difficult,

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difficult thing for an audience to watch. Yeah, it's interesting that you

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say that because I mean, again
reading a little bit about it now,

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in terms of motivation and so on, it's interesting in terms of what what

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provoked, if you like, Winter
to making this movie and his wife to

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get involved as a producer. And
just to give you a bit of context,

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it was winter in twenty nineteen and
he was dealing with the fallout of

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some rather devastating personal event, and
he found himself isolated at his house in

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the country and suddenly he couldn't see
a place for himself in the world.

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He'd lost hope, and he was
struck that in this time of crisis,

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when he was most in need of
help, he sort of felt unworthy of

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it and talking to somebody about felt
impossible, and he felt completely alone.

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And he then juxtaposed that into saying, so many people feel similarly. And

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that's where I suppose this movie came
from. Peter Pete browse you with us,

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Yes, I'm with you, terribly
sorry, but your line is appalling,

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and it's actually affecting the whole thing. So again, I've got no

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idea what's going on here. But
it was fine beforehand, and now again

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it's fine. So if I ask
you to drop out, it's only because

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I love you dearly, but I
don't want that to affect to production so

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that everybody can hear it. But
now you're back again. You we've just

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had a I'm not sure how much
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quite a discuss with Jackie about the
Rooster, and I mean, I really

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admire the fact I put this very
much in the forefront that jack has been

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honest in terms of her assessment,
as she always is, that she went

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along to this film and didn't get
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there are movies like that. And
I also spoke to somebody else literally

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in the last few hours who said
exactly the same thing, and they walked

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out on the movie. So this
is a polarizing film. You've said,

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You've hosted questions and answers about this
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of genius. I thought it was
fabulous. Did you know much about it

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when you went and saw it or
not? No, I didn't. But

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you know, winding about it,
did you read about it before and or

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not? No? No, I
prefer not to know too much about a

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film before I see it. Likewise, Okay, so you went in,

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you've obviously subsequently found out a lot
more about it. What did you think?

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film because it did explore male issues
in terms of psychological dilemmas and problems that

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men face which are not necessarily well
expressed in terms of cinema. And I

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think Mark Denner Winter as you've already
described, has explained some of that through

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his screenplay in The Rooster. And
to have a character like Phoenix Ray as

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a police officer who is quite disturbed, has some personal issues that he's dealing

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with, and to have Hugo Weaving
as the hermit who himself has a raft

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of personal issues that he has because
he's sort of sequestered his way from human

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civilization, that sort of thing.
It's that sort of exploration of psychological damage

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that has happened to men, which
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relates also to COVID and the way
that isolated so many people that that

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was the inspiration behind him writing this
film, Mark that it went, and

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writing this film and trying to grapple
with those feelings that he had and to

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show on screen a story that addressed
some of that difficulty that in particular men

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deal with psychological and suicidal issues.
So look, I think he did it

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really well. It's an atmospheric film, it's not an easy film to watch,

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and he helps also a nice cast. It was shot all around his

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homestead in Dalsford, and it just
had that feel to it, especially the

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way it was shot in the music
and the widescreen, a feel to it

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that was either immersive for people who
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if you're not quite at tuned to
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really it spoke. I suppose Volumes
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was part of the challenge in this
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felt moved by. And I thought
that the I thought that the combination the

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musical, the diversity in music was
just amazing. But it worked for me

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very strongly. And also the use
of silence, as I mentioned it,

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just it was haunting, wasn't it? Better. Yes, absolutely, He's

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really paced the film well, and
he's used sound design and music is I

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mean, this is his taboo feature
film as a director. And that's why

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I'm so amazed that I'm really looking
forward to seeing what he's going to do

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next, because he's got a very
you know, he and his wife are

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very gifted people who if you like, different things, and all of a

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sudden he's moved into this space and
his wife has moved into the production space

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and they've created this extraordinary piece first
up, so you know, and they're

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only young people, so let's see
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Jackie, you know again, credit
to you. I can also see that

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it's not an easy film to get
your head around. You know, some

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people who go to instantly relate to
it or feel that it speaks to them,

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and others are going to say,
what the heck is going on?

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And I suppose that I admire that
this is art house, this is not

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mainstream movie making. It was at
MYTH. Wasn't it at Melbourne International Films?

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That's all correct? In fact,
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I wasn't there. You go?
So okay, So Jackie, let's start

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with you. Can you give it
a score or not? Well? I

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could, it's probably not fair because
no, I don't want to do the

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wrong thing by you, So I
understand if you know, maybe maybe we

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avoid it then, but we put
on to put it like this. I

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don't know to whom I would say, go and see this film. Okay,

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that's interesting. Well and let's take
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about. I would certainly recommend it
to friends of mine who are more into

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art house film, but also those
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I mean, it's we've seen movies
about women in context as well,

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and this to me is very much
about you know, blokes don't go to

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the doctor, blakes don't do this, blokes don't do that. This may

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speak to some of those, does
that does that reason? Oh? Absolutely

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totally fair. That's a fair comment. Yep. Okay. And what about

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you, Peter, what would you
say in response to what Jackie said?

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Who would you recommend this too?
A difficult argument, but it certainly it

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would be a for Australian audiences who
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and secondly to certainly for men who
are going through possibly similar sorts of experiences.

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But at the Q and A I
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women and they responded very positively to
the film when they ask questions of Mark,

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saying that thank you for showing us
how men experience difficulties and suicidal behavior

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and so on. So it's always
difficult to say who would you recommend a

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film too, but certainly I think
this is a quality Australian film. Yeah,

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look, okay, so I'll start
with you, Peter, what are

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you getting? Get it out of
ten? I give it a very solid

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seven out of ten, and I
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I think it's one of the best
films I've seen in a long long time,

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and I just couldn't get enough of
it. I thought it was extraordinarily

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well done. So it's called The
Rooster. It's rated MA and goes for

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one hundred and one minutes, So
folks, you can make a decision on

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that. Jackie, I know you've
got to push off. Thank you so

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much for your contribution today, and
you, of course welcome to hang around

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if you want to, but if
you have to go, I certainly understand

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that, Alex can I quickly add
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I know you've discussed it. Yes, I'm sorry when you dropped out yet,

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Yes, yes, please do it. Look, I'll just quickly say

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Hannah arent who talked about the banality
of evil so brilliantly about the Nazi era

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and how just average people can just
be involved in murders and deaths and so

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on. This film Zone of Interest
is just absolutely extraordinary. The immersive sound

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music, the use of color red
on occasion, the use of darkness at

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the start of the film to get
you into a feeling or mood of this

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situation of this ordinary family living next
door to a concentration and where these horrors

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are happening. This is an absolutely
brilliant film, and in fact, for

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me, it was the polar opposite
of a film like Son of Saul,

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which was the in your face,
graphic depiction of the horrors of a concentration

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camp. This one does it in
a different sort of way and yet reveals

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the evil just as strongly and great
to see Sandra Hula in another amazing,

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amazing look. It's a brilliant film. Yeah, I give a ten out

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of ten, do you. I
gave it a nine and Jackie gave it.

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Jackie gave it. I think it
was about an eight. Yeah,

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you're on five. P's the third
one you're giving ten to so far this

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year? Yeah, what is going
on, Peter? Right? Hang on?

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Excellence needs to stand out, you
know, like top of the class?

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The ducks at the school is only
one, Peter, not three inside

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two months? What they's going on
here? I know you are wrong if

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we look at the eight going the
d school is only one. No,

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you're going to have your ducks?
Can you have ten out of ten for

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a number of good films that are
exemplary, et cetera. So with the

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Atar, we've got thirty students across
the state who receive a perfect sparing good.

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I like the response. However,
only however, only one film can

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win the Oscar for Best Picture,
Peter. So when you've got three tens,

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how do you differentiate between them to
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that's that's what people have to decide
to be a personal dissentient. But I'm

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saying when it comes to that.
So I think we're both right, because

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you are quite correct that with atars
and whatever, ninety nine point nine to

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five, is that the highest Mark, I believe, yes, Why is

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it only ninety nine point ninety five
and not one hundred? Is it's a

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mathematical algorithm? I reckon it's because
nobody's perfect? Peter, am I allowed

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to know that? Sorry? Well
the sorry other than from you you Greek

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with your dad jokes? Is that
right? Pssibly? Possibly? Okay?

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So yeah, but but okay,
I'm going to put you on the spot

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without any notice here of Peter,
what are the three films you've given?

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Ten? Two? Please? This
year? This year? I think this

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is the first one in zone of
interest? Okay? Well, sorry in

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recent history? As Greek says,
what are the three? Or? Do

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do you not record? Also?
Can I change the holdovers? I did?

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Are you right? I did give
a ten out of ten? Right?

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And what is the other one?
Greek? Do you remember? No?

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Is one of the first ones we
talked about this year? Though,

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But off you a great big start. Let me just checked my list and

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we'll find out. Oh, very
okay, Because what I'm going to do,

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Peter is I'm going to say,
of those three, if they were

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three of the films for Best Picture, which one would get Best Picture at

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the Oscars. I'm going to ask
you, and I want an answer.

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I don't want to do a deviation
or oh no, there's three a tars

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of ninety nine point nine to five. But we need to find out what

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that third film is, right,
Okay, I think this is a really

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interesting and challenging exercise for mister perfectionist
in Peter Krautz at times. It yep,

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that was something we tend to was
the Anatomy of a Fall, an

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enemy of a fall? Yes,
thank you? Okay, right, okay,

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so this is sop for his choice. If he's like Sophie's choice,

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and that's it, you're yours to
make. Okay, we'll put it on

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the table. We need a drum
roll from your great players. Thank you.

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Anatomy of a Fall was number on. The Holdovers was number two,

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and number three the zone of Interest, which wins the Oscar for Best Picture.

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Okay. If I then had to
vote, having too one of those

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three al zone of interest, yes, I knew it. I knew it.

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I was going to say, I
knew you would put Zone of interest

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first, so I was Now if
you had to put a second and a

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third, I mean I'll and I'll
take you out of your misery. I

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reckon, I know which one you're
going to put second anyway, but go

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on? What's this? Nun and
adam? You bell? Four? Second?

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Holder? This third? Yeah?
Exactly, Yeah, you're so predictable,

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Peter, what can I tell you? Thank you for partaking in that

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little exercise. Now, Greg,
I want you to pick one of the

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films you've seen, because you haven't
had to say so far. What other

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film would you like to talk about
next? Maybe four leaves? Let us

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talk about full and leaves? Which
it's an interesting that the title is a

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fascinating what's the word for it?
When it's a representation miss a metaphor thank

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you, a representation of the two
central characters in this movie. Firstly,

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huge plaud it's it's eighty one minutes? Yeah? Can we can? We

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have more films than are eighty one
minutes? Peter, Please, no,

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don't give me this crap about a
good film deserves to go for six hours?

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You know? Get Oh, I'm
like to see chi are well?

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You firstly came into the conversation,
dropped out of the conversation, came back,

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made all sorts of noise because your
system was playing up. And now

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you're having a bit of fun.
That's good, all right, it's it's

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rated m and it shows that love
comes in many guys. Is as I've

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already demonstrated with Peter this morning anyway, that love is never having to say

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sary exactly correct. The finished writer
and director Ki Karasmaki that did the Other

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Side of Hope brings us the surprising
story of a couple of lost souls.

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So you've got one called Hullapa played
by Jussy vatannan metal worker at an industrial

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site, and he smokes. He
also drinks a lot, including when he's

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on the job, and he shares
shipping container lodgings with an older worker called

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Hutari played by Jan Bettaynen and Sir
Gronholm Alma Poist plays her works at a

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supermarket. She's diligent. The payment
she receives is not exactly flash, so

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she's been known to pocket the occasional
out of date item at the supermarket which

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they were going to throw out.
Anyway. She lives by herself in a

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small tidy apartment. Hutari, the
older worker, convinces a reluctant Hilapa to

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have a night out at a karaoke
bar because well quite frankly. Hutari,

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the older worker, fancies himself as
a krooner. After performing a song,

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he tries to pick up a lady
called Lisa played by Nupu Kuvu, who's

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come to the pub with her friend
Answer Gronhol, but Lisa shuts down the

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kruner at the same time Halapa eyes
off answer. Nothing said at the time,

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but circumstances see Lap and Antswer come
across each other again and they end

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up going on a rather awkward date. But the part to happiness is paved

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with rocks boulders, both personally and
professionally. This is dead pan delivery,

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black humor. They're the hall marks
of this compelling comedic drama, and the

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focus is on two decidedly nondescript individuals
for whom life has provided very little.

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Both seem to be living, if
you can even call it that, an

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endless hand to mouth existence. He
acknowledges his depression, she simply seems to

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accept her a lot, even though
he doesn't appear to offer much. She

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finds a spark with him, and
it features Fallen leaves a series of punctuated

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conversations which suit the style of the
film. Perfectly. The actors take their

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task with a plom and I can
only think of one scene where there's even

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the hint of a smile. Otherwise
everyone plays the straight man or woman as

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the case may be, and there's
no avoiding Charismakis, pointed social commentary on

406
00:33:07.359 --> 00:33:10.359
the destructive Russia Ukraine War, there's
no getting away from it. On the

407
00:33:10.480 --> 00:33:17.039
radio news that basically there's the radio
that's turned up and turned on in answer

408
00:33:17.079 --> 00:33:24.200
Gronholm's home. So this is typical
Charismaki in terms of the deadpan delivery.

409
00:33:24.720 --> 00:33:29.599
It is a it's a great film, isn't it great? And it is

410
00:33:29.680 --> 00:33:36.960
actually quite an interesting film. I
actually like this and it's actually it's probably

411
00:33:36.960 --> 00:33:43.640
as light and fluffy as Charismaki gets
in terms of his filmmaking. There that

412
00:33:43.759 --> 00:33:49.119
you read dead, deadpan delivery of
droll dialogue, the lack of sort of

413
00:33:49.319 --> 00:33:53.079
real momentum or action there. But
the focused camera focuses in on the characters

414
00:33:53.519 --> 00:33:57.920
and you can get them. But
there's lots of pop cultural references you through

415
00:33:58.240 --> 00:34:01.039
as the characters spend a bit of
time at the cinema. Outside the cinema,

416
00:34:01.079 --> 00:34:06.119
there's all these film posters, including
one for a brief Encounter, which

417
00:34:06.200 --> 00:34:10.239
sort of references one of the themes
of the film. Also they go see

418
00:34:10.320 --> 00:34:15.920
Jim drawmishes the Dead Don't Die,
which is yea of the Prince of the

419
00:34:15.000 --> 00:34:22.239
fact that John mash appeared in in
one of a. Charis Marki's early films

420
00:34:22.280 --> 00:34:24.679
there. But it's the love story
that sort of plays out here a little

421
00:34:24.840 --> 00:34:30.519
like brief Encounter meets serendipity if you
want. And there's even some music on

422
00:34:30.599 --> 00:34:37.400
the soundtrack here as well, some
upbeat music and background radio bulletins concerning the

423
00:34:37.440 --> 00:34:42.760
war in Ukraine, which also give
the film sort of modern condext But it's

424
00:34:42.800 --> 00:34:47.880
the two performances of the leads there
I think they define the attuned to charist

425
00:34:47.920 --> 00:34:52.159
markings motives there. This is largely
a two handed with some peripheral characters,

426
00:34:52.480 --> 00:34:57.880
including as you mentioned Jenny Hyden,
who plays Hoppola's best friend in Drinking Buddy,

427
00:34:58.159 --> 00:35:04.559
also a cute dog here, one
which and Yeah adopts there as well

428
00:35:04.599 --> 00:35:08.519
as it adds to something the film
and all plays out against a very depressing

429
00:35:08.800 --> 00:35:15.400
gray Helsinki backdrop. But I like
this film. Yeah, yeah, I

430
00:35:15.480 --> 00:35:19.519
think you've summed it up very very
well. This production in design is fairly

431
00:35:19.599 --> 00:35:24.199
minimalist as well. The settings are
fairly drab, particularly answers small apartment there.

432
00:35:25.320 --> 00:35:28.519
Peter, did you enjoy it as
much as Greg and I did?

433
00:35:29.119 --> 00:35:31.679
I certainly do, and I agree
with pretty much all of what Greeg said.

434
00:35:31.800 --> 00:35:37.559
I mean, Churismaki has adopted a
particular style of filmmaking which is so

435
00:35:37.760 --> 00:35:42.960
distinctive, and his other films like
A Man Without a Past and Lahava and

436
00:35:43.039 --> 00:35:50.719
so on show the deeper side of
character without being melodramatic or emotional, but

437
00:35:51.360 --> 00:35:55.719
more internal, and I think that's
what I really like about the way he

438
00:35:55.920 --> 00:36:01.400
directs his films, and Fall and
Leaves is just again such a great example.

439
00:36:01.880 --> 00:36:07.800
The film one interesting enough the Cahn
Jury Prize, and they certainly responded

440
00:36:07.960 --> 00:36:14.039
to the tone of the film and
to the way that life really is about

441
00:36:14.559 --> 00:36:21.000
minor struggles and not about over the
top massive sort of events, even though

442
00:36:21.079 --> 00:36:28.360
those events that are happening elsewhere in
the world may impact on our everyday struggles.

443
00:36:29.239 --> 00:36:32.719
Yes, I love the dog too, I must say, and well,

444
00:36:32.760 --> 00:36:37.679
even know it's sort of changed you
with a sense of drabners, there's

445
00:36:37.719 --> 00:36:42.280
also an optimism there as well about
those two characters. There is and in

446
00:36:42.360 --> 00:36:45.599
fact that permeates a lot of Charismaki's
film. So there is that drabness,

447
00:36:45.679 --> 00:36:49.679
but he does have an optimistic feel
to it, and I love the cinematic

448
00:36:49.760 --> 00:36:53.320
references in the film too. Now
I really enjoyed Fallen leads terrific. So

449
00:36:53.920 --> 00:36:58.880
Greg, what are you gonna give
it out of ten? Set? Seven

450
00:36:59.119 --> 00:37:01.840
out of ten? Yep, Okay, I think it's worth much more than

451
00:37:01.880 --> 00:37:06.440
that. What about you better?
I gave an eight out of ten,

452
00:37:06.559 --> 00:37:07.960
and I gave it eight and a
half out of ten, So there we

453
00:37:08.079 --> 00:37:12.079
go. At least this wasn't a
ten out of ten film. Peto for

454
00:37:12.119 --> 00:37:15.599
you, thankfodness for that. Otherwise
you know you'll be you'll be swabbed,

455
00:37:15.760 --> 00:37:21.039
right, I mean you know you'll
go. That's what that's what's coming next.

456
00:37:21.760 --> 00:37:24.840
By the way, this is again
another question without notice. What's the

457
00:37:24.920 --> 00:37:30.119
most ten out of ten films you've
ever given in a year approx? I

458
00:37:30.159 --> 00:37:37.039
would possibly five. It depends on
each I no, no, I understand

459
00:37:37.079 --> 00:37:42.360
fully okay, So uh, this
is before we're going to go into the

460
00:37:42.440 --> 00:37:47.639
detail about this film Bob Marley one
love. Greg, did you understand every

461
00:37:47.679 --> 00:37:54.400
word that we're spoken? Not everything
spoken by that's all I want to understand

462
00:37:54.440 --> 00:37:59.719
words from other characters, right,
okay, Peter, did you understand every

463
00:37:59.719 --> 00:38:02.679
word was spoken? No? The
pig in English was very difficult to understand

464
00:38:02.719 --> 00:38:05.920
the time, Yes, exactly.
Okay, good, that's where we're going

465
00:38:06.000 --> 00:38:08.760
to start. So okay, I
think there's a lot of people out there,

466
00:38:08.760 --> 00:38:12.480
including me, who admire Bob Marley
and what he achieved. I think

467
00:38:12.679 --> 00:38:15.800
in a very short life which was
tragically cut short, extraordinary impact that he

468
00:38:15.880 --> 00:38:21.679
had. So I was really looking
forward to this sort of biopic and whilst

469
00:38:21.760 --> 00:38:23.920
we learned elements of it, I
would have liked more, quite fankly,

470
00:38:23.960 --> 00:38:28.440
but it's still it was okay,
but it could have been better. That's

471
00:38:28.519 --> 00:38:30.559
how I'm going to start this.
Bob Marley one love m rate at one

472
00:38:30.639 --> 00:38:36.519
hundred and seven minutes, and he
was born Robert Nesta Marley in Jamaica,

473
00:38:37.199 --> 00:38:40.360
and he lived only from the sixth
of February nineteen forty five to the eleventh

474
00:38:40.360 --> 00:38:45.760
of May nineteen eighty one. So
you know that, well, what a

475
00:38:45.880 --> 00:38:49.880
tragic you know, it was thirty
six years of age. That was shocking

476
00:38:50.159 --> 00:38:53.679
when he passed away, and he
rose to become the world's foremost reggae one

477
00:38:53.679 --> 00:38:59.400
of the well, the world's most
foremost reggae singer, guitarist and songwriter.

478
00:39:00.039 --> 00:39:04.280
And he was a spiritual man from
humble beginnings. And this is his life

479
00:39:04.360 --> 00:39:07.159
story, but most of the action
takes place from nineteen seventy six onwards.

480
00:39:07.400 --> 00:39:10.000
And as I say, he was
born in nineteen forty five, so he's

481
00:39:10.000 --> 00:39:14.440
already what thirty thirty one at that
stage, and by that stage he was

482
00:39:14.480 --> 00:39:17.519
already a bona fidie star. And
at the time, Jamaica was in turmoil.

483
00:39:19.119 --> 00:39:22.760
He had rival gangs, yet political
parties literally shooting up the place and

484
00:39:22.840 --> 00:39:30.079
brawling and nobody was safe. And
he had got sort of Robert Nestamali Rastafarian

485
00:39:30.559 --> 00:39:36.920
who married a fellow believer and singer
and Rita Anderson played by Lashana Lynch in

486
00:39:37.119 --> 00:39:39.719
nineteen sixty six, so that was
ten years before most of the action in

487
00:39:39.760 --> 00:39:45.199
this movie. And his aim.
Marley's aim was to unite people against advice.

488
00:39:45.239 --> 00:39:49.199
He went ahead with plans to take
to the stage at what was to

489
00:39:49.320 --> 00:39:53.400
be called Smile Jamaica. That was
a free concert he hoped would bring together

490
00:39:53.480 --> 00:39:58.400
warring parties in peace. But a
couple of days before that could happen,

491
00:39:58.920 --> 00:40:02.400
he and his wife were gunned down
in their own home. She was seriously

492
00:40:02.440 --> 00:40:07.039
injured and he was wounded. So
he ended up fleeing to London without his

493
00:40:07.119 --> 00:40:12.480
wife and children, in self imposed
exile for a couple of years, and

494
00:40:12.559 --> 00:40:16.360
it's there that Bob Marley and the
Whalers recorded the critical and commercially successful album

495
00:40:16.760 --> 00:40:23.079
Exodus, laid back style, pulsating
bass beats. But all wasn't rosy.

496
00:40:23.119 --> 00:40:29.480
There was exploitation that was womanizing,
and Marley was diagnosed with an incurable condition.

497
00:40:30.480 --> 00:40:35.880
So Bob Marley One Loved paints a
fundamentally favorable picture of a musical icon.

498
00:40:36.599 --> 00:40:39.599
It was largely chilled, and,
like his fellow Rastafarians, smoked a

499
00:40:39.639 --> 00:40:45.679
lot of ganger right marijuana. He
also loved running, and he loved soccer,

500
00:40:45.119 --> 00:40:50.639
and appeared to leave most of the
parenting duties to his wife. Importantly,

501
00:40:50.800 --> 00:40:54.559
the co writer and director Ronaldo Marcus
Green has used footage of the times

502
00:40:54.960 --> 00:41:01.360
to construct a portrait of civil disobedience. I'd urge people to stay on until

503
00:41:01.400 --> 00:41:06.559
the end of this movie to see
vision of Bob Marley himself, which a

504
00:41:06.599 --> 00:41:13.679
lot of biopics have and elevates them. So One Love certainly pates a picture

505
00:41:13.719 --> 00:41:16.400
of the great man's life and times, and he's guiding principles. But I

506
00:41:16.519 --> 00:41:21.000
struggled with a vocalization. As I
said at the outset, I couldn't understand

507
00:41:21.039 --> 00:41:24.159
most of what was being said because
the accents were so thick. And that's

508
00:41:24.239 --> 00:41:29.360
to take nothing away from Kinsley Benadere, who brought the right amount of warmth

509
00:41:29.400 --> 00:41:32.800
and attitude to Marley in his representation, undoubtedly in awe about him, and

510
00:41:32.880 --> 00:41:37.599
he wears the halo well. Lascharda
Lynch too greatly impressed me as his stoic

511
00:41:37.719 --> 00:41:42.719
wife who stood by him and encouraged
him, but also faced him fair and

512
00:41:42.880 --> 00:41:46.519
square when he took matters too far. And there's really a fire and polish

513
00:41:46.559 --> 00:41:51.239
about her performance. And that they
are the key players in Bob Marley One

514
00:41:51.320 --> 00:41:53.920
Love, along site the whalers and
a couple of record company executives. And

515
00:41:54.599 --> 00:41:59.000
what would a film like this be
without the finest of music. Really,

516
00:41:59.360 --> 00:42:02.480
such great risks and the production design
which is also true to the times.

517
00:42:04.039 --> 00:42:07.039
So bear in mind this is endorsed
by his family, Bob Marley's family.

518
00:42:07.360 --> 00:42:12.599
Among the producers are two of Marley's
children, Ziggy and Sedella, alongside his

519
00:42:13.159 --> 00:42:16.719
widow Rita, and it's reverential to
the image and the way he carried while

520
00:42:16.760 --> 00:42:22.800
also prizing open just a few cracks. Understanding the dialogue would have been very

521
00:42:22.880 --> 00:42:25.599
nice, but the movie still struck
a chord with me. And you know,

522
00:42:25.679 --> 00:42:29.519
I say, this is somebody who
follows a lot of cricket and therefore,

523
00:42:29.840 --> 00:42:32.239
you know West Indian players speaking,
I understand their accents, but I

524
00:42:32.320 --> 00:42:37.400
didn't understand these Rastafarians in large measure. But I still got a lot out

525
00:42:37.440 --> 00:42:44.320
of the movie What about You,
Greg Well most other recent biopics of famous

526
00:42:44.400 --> 00:42:49.119
musicians, this is a fairly standard
biopic that reveals little I found that it's

527
00:42:49.159 --> 00:42:52.760
new or surprising, and the fact
that Marley's ex former wife or widow where

528
00:42:52.760 --> 00:42:57.679
you were called Rega and his oldest
son City amongst the credited producers. I

529
00:42:57.800 --> 00:43:00.920
thought the film served up a fairly
reverential treatment, but there is nothing too

530
00:43:01.159 --> 00:43:07.239
controversial or negative in the film there. I agree that Kingsley Ben Sadia is

531
00:43:07.320 --> 00:43:09.760
great in the role. I thought
he totally inhabited the character and did a

532
00:43:09.840 --> 00:43:15.400
superb job of channeling marlis charisma and
his dynamic sage presence. But I agree

533
00:43:15.599 --> 00:43:21.519
unfortunately due to his heavy accent.
Much of his dialogue was virtually incomprehensible and

534
00:43:21.639 --> 00:43:25.679
probably needs subtitle somewhere along. Then
Lashan and Lynch was good as his wife,

535
00:43:25.800 --> 00:43:29.800
Rider, who played an important role
in his success. And I like

536
00:43:29.960 --> 00:43:34.400
James Norton, who brought to such
of humor to his affable performance as Chris

537
00:43:34.480 --> 00:43:37.880
Blackwell, Marly's friend, producer and
co founder of Ireland Records, who helped

538
00:43:37.920 --> 00:43:45.119
shape his career. But this is
a superficial biopic that adds nothing new there

539
00:43:45.599 --> 00:43:49.719
to his fault, to his life. It follows along in chronological fashion,

540
00:43:50.639 --> 00:43:54.119
and it gives mysia or something of
an episodic field I've felt there. But

541
00:43:54.280 --> 00:43:58.719
it is a celebration of his life
and his music. And then, as

542
00:43:58.760 --> 00:44:00.440
you said, that is replete with
all a lot of Marla. There's a

543
00:44:00.480 --> 00:44:06.079
few missions like Buffalo Soldiers, one
of his biggest hits. That was fabulous,

544
00:44:06.239 --> 00:44:10.599
wasn't it? Yeah? But I
just thought I could have done so

545
00:44:10.719 --> 00:44:15.400
much more giving an impact. I
think people who want to know more about

546
00:44:15.440 --> 00:44:22.519
him would do well to check out
Kevin McDonald's comprehensive twenty twelve documentary Marley yep

547
00:44:22.760 --> 00:44:25.559
makes perfect sense to me, Greg, what about you? Peter yes,

548
00:44:25.719 --> 00:44:31.119
Look, the Bob Marley story is
one that should make a really interesting biopic

549
00:44:31.320 --> 00:44:36.639
because of his life, is his
backstory, and his music and so on.

550
00:44:37.079 --> 00:44:40.840
But unfortunately this film is not it. The film was written by four

551
00:44:42.039 --> 00:44:50.559
screenwriters who are fatally compromised by trying
to portray Bob Marley in a particular time

552
00:44:50.679 --> 00:44:54.440
period from nineteen seventy six onwards.
And I think that doesn't work for me

553
00:44:54.639 --> 00:45:00.280
at all, especially because it doesn't
give you really any real history of Bob

554
00:45:00.360 --> 00:45:06.480
Marley, his backstory, why Jamaica
was in such turmoil. I wanted to

555
00:45:06.559 --> 00:45:13.199
know more information and why Marley was
so keen to be a peacemaker. Look,

556
00:45:13.559 --> 00:45:17.760
there are so many elements to the
screenplay that are lacking in terms of

557
00:45:17.880 --> 00:45:23.280
exposition, in terms of understanding of
Marley's character, and by the end of

558
00:45:23.320 --> 00:45:30.239
the film, I was none the
wiser about really knowing much more about Bob

559
00:45:30.320 --> 00:45:35.719
Marley than the superficial tendering that we
get in this film. Yes, the

560
00:45:35.840 --> 00:45:42.119
music is good, Yes there are
some nice elements to the film. Yes

561
00:45:42.280 --> 00:45:47.639
the film should have been subtitled.
But this film was directed by the same

562
00:45:49.440 --> 00:45:53.480
guy who directed King Richard Now,
so obviously it's not the director's issue.

563
00:45:54.360 --> 00:45:58.719
It's more to do with the material
that he was given, although he was

564
00:45:58.800 --> 00:46:02.320
part of the screenwriting, and unfortunately
this film doesn't work for me at all.

565
00:46:02.639 --> 00:46:05.800
Yeah. Look, I think I'm
going to be the high watermark here,

566
00:46:06.039 --> 00:46:08.199
even though I thought there were issues
with it. So let's start with

567
00:46:08.320 --> 00:46:13.480
you, Peter. Okay, Yeah, I barely gave it five out of

568
00:46:13.840 --> 00:46:16.239
it one hundred and seven minutes.
Sorry, go get sorry. Yeah,

569
00:46:16.360 --> 00:46:21.239
I barely gave it five out of
ten. Okay, great. One element

570
00:46:21.280 --> 00:46:24.320
I did like was the musicians were
all played by children of the original Mark

571
00:46:24.440 --> 00:46:29.719
Whalers is backing bands. Yeah,
that is wonderful, isn't it's? And

572
00:46:29.800 --> 00:46:31.960
I like cinemausolgraphy there as well.
But I gave it six out of ten

573
00:46:32.320 --> 00:46:36.119
and I gave it seven out of
ten. So five six, seven averages

574
00:46:36.199 --> 00:46:38.599
six. Make of it what you
will, Bob Marley, one Love.

575
00:46:39.039 --> 00:46:45.800
Now, we've got one film that
we must talk about as well, called

576
00:46:45.039 --> 00:46:50.960
Madam Webb. Now, okay,
I'm going to start by asking you guys,

577
00:46:51.639 --> 00:46:54.519
are we finished with Marvel Superheroes and
all that sort of stuff. I

578
00:46:54.599 --> 00:47:00.440
mean, where are we at with
because they're being they're not being attended in

579
00:47:00.519 --> 00:47:04.639
droves anymore like they used to be. You know, have we reached the

580
00:47:04.719 --> 00:47:08.719
point where as a franchise, not
as a franchise per se, but as

581
00:47:08.719 --> 00:47:13.880
a genre, if you like,
almost or a subgenre. We've almost reached

582
00:47:13.920 --> 00:47:16.599
the zenith? Or are they going
to keep the studio is going to keep

583
00:47:16.599 --> 00:47:21.440
trotting these sorts of things out and
potentially losing money or not getting the money

584
00:47:21.480 --> 00:47:23.920
back that they expected to. What
do you reckon, Greet? I think

585
00:47:24.079 --> 00:47:28.960
it's through saturation point there. Yeah, Well, I'll always enjoy the Spider

586
00:47:29.039 --> 00:47:32.119
Man movies. I think they've always
been the most consistent and enjoyable franchise within

587
00:47:32.199 --> 00:47:37.719
the Marvel Comics universe. A lot
of the spinoff movies and some of those

588
00:47:37.800 --> 00:47:44.199
female centric runs Apout even have been
pretty disappointing, and I feel like Venom

589
00:47:44.280 --> 00:47:46.880
Morbious in It have been box office
flops. So I think, yeah,

590
00:47:46.920 --> 00:47:52.440
the well is pretty dry. Yeah, Peter, would you agree? I

591
00:47:52.559 --> 00:47:55.480
absolutely agree? Enough already let's move
on. Yeah, all right, So,

592
00:47:55.800 --> 00:48:00.440
Madam Webb is one hundred and sixteen
minutes m rated. You had the

593
00:48:00.480 --> 00:48:02.480
ability to see in the future and
could change the outcome. I mean that's

594
00:48:04.000 --> 00:48:07.360
film. Well, there you go. That's the contention at the center of

595
00:48:07.679 --> 00:48:10.719
this latest Marvel superhero movie, which
is which the studio would like to turn

596
00:48:10.760 --> 00:48:15.880
into a franchise. Let's be honest
and brought up in Foster Homes. Cassandra

597
00:48:16.000 --> 00:48:21.199
Webb played by Dakota Johnson is a
paramedic and all she knows is that her

598
00:48:21.280 --> 00:48:28.159
mum, Constance played by Kerrie Bish, died during childbirth while she was investigating

599
00:48:28.199 --> 00:48:31.800
the special healing properties of a spider
in the Amazon. In fact, she

600
00:48:32.000 --> 00:48:37.679
was killed by her guide, Ezekiel
Sims. To him plays Ezekiel Sims,

601
00:48:38.239 --> 00:48:42.840
he wasn't interested in using those special
properties for the greater good. He had

602
00:48:42.920 --> 00:48:47.159
purely selfish desires, which were met
when he stole the one spider that the

603
00:48:47.239 --> 00:48:53.199
mother Constance managed to find and bottle, and the spider venom gave him incredible

604
00:48:53.199 --> 00:49:00.960
strength and speed. Nevertheless, Ezekiel
is plagued by a recurrent nightmare which features

605
00:49:01.039 --> 00:49:06.719
three masked young women who track him
down and kill him, and to that

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end, he vows to murder them
before they get to him, and their

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downfall becomes his obsession. But what
he doesn't count on is Cassie Webb's awakening

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to her origins and her linking up
with the women, the three women that

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were teenagers as Ezekiel saw them,
and as I say, that's something that

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he doesn't even anticipate, so as
Juliet Cornwall played by Sidney Sweeney, Anya

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Carrazon played by Isabelle Merced and Mattie
Franklin Celesto Connor. Now in comic book

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for Madame or Madam Webb is depicted
as a blind old woman in a wheelchair.

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In the film, Cassie is young, active and agile, at least

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through most of the film. Madame
Webb was co written. It's been directed

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by SJ. Clarkson, who cut
her teeth in television and is making her

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feature film now. For all the
inevitable comparisons Spider Man, Madam Webb is

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not now, I quite like the
intriguing origin story. That's absolutely fine,

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but vast leaps of faith there necessary
to buy the premise and some of the

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dialogue. Boy, is that clunky. A narcissistic bad guy's pitted against a

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driven hero whose life is upended when
she unexpectedly discovers that she has premonitions.

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Overlay that with teen angst, and
you have a pretty bizarre narrative. I

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got the impression also that Dakota Johnson
wasn't all that sold on the material either,

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but did what she was directed to
do, and the girls squabbling and

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making up seemed to be a waste
of acting talent. Tahar Rahim's villainous persona

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smacks of a one trick pony.
Adams Scott as a largely thankless role as

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Cassandra's good natured paramedic partner and friend
Ben Parker. Emma Roberts hardly has a

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significant part to play as Parker's pregnant
sister in Little Mary. So let me

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summarize by saying that Madam Webb struggles
throughout to maintain credibility. Nevertheless, while

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I mentioned that Madame web is no
Spider Man, it is an origin story.

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Presuming the studio goes ahead with future
installments, the link to the latter

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will become more apparent as the story
evolves. There you go, Madam where

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Peter Oh dear, oh de oh
dear. What a terrible film. And

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I was so disappointed because I really
encourage more superhero films with women as key

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characters, and yet this one just
doesn't cut it for me. And we

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know that there's not going to be
a follow up film because there's no post

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credit sequence in this film, so
that's already a very bad sign. Well,

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but there's a hint, there is
a hint of that. I thought

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there was a hint. Greg,
did you not think that, Oh,

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lookin that the three girls and to
become sort of superheroes in your own right?

640
00:51:59.760 --> 00:52:02.280
Yeah, I just think this film
is in earth and they won't follow

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00:52:02.400 --> 00:52:06.800
up with it. Yeah, okay, well, sorry, you're going to

642
00:52:06.840 --> 00:52:08.880
make some further remarks better. Yeah, I was just going to say it

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was so sad to see tah Rahim
in such a thrinkless awful role. I

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mean, he was a brilliant actor, a prophet and in other films,

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and yet obviously he's doing it for
the money. Fair enough, that's what

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actors have to do. But it's
just emblematic of what this film is.

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It's sort of a total misfire,
not well written at all. Dakota Johnson

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does her best, I think,
a pretty thankless and uninteresting sort of role,

649
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which is such a shame because this
could have been such a dynamic and

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more interesting film, especially about the
whole issue of premonitions and how that can

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impact on her character and the world. So yeah, very disappointing for me

652
00:52:51.679 --> 00:52:53.679
and great. Did you also think
it was disappointing? Yes, either was

653
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disappointing, messy, and it lacks
much in the way of originality and also

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lacks broader appeal to the typical fan
base of these superhero movies. And there's

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a great suspicion of disbelief required here
to go along with the basic premise there

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and the inconsistency of how far into
the future you can see. But to

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be as well, you know,
sometimes it's only seconds, other times it's

658
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sly half an hours, on an
hour, half an hour. Well,

659
00:53:16.559 --> 00:53:20.559
listen, let's let's sum all this
upject. I agree with what Peter said

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that, well what you said that
your Cora. Yeah, Johnson's heart wasn't

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in this role. I think there's
this trouble shoot and a lot of the

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Spider Man references have been excise in
post production to try and distance it from

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the Spider Man on Man pressure.
Well, we're running out of time,

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Greek, so let's just get a
score from you for what is not Spider

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Man. Madam web m rated one
hundred and sixteen minutes. What do you

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reckon. Oh look, it's got
only thirteen percent on Rotten Tomatoes. Is

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00:53:49.039 --> 00:53:52.039
your page entry to that as well? Finely gave it five out of ten,

668
00:53:52.800 --> 00:53:55.440
right, I gave it five out
of ten, Peter. Unfortunately I

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could only give it three out of
ten. Wow, yep, Okay,

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yes, I don't think it will
be top of most people's hit list.

671
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Let's be honest. I may be
at the top of the hit list,

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but not top of the list of
films to go along and see. So

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anyway, thank you so much for
your contribution. Jackie, who's disappeared now,

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but thank you to her. Thank
you, Peter, thank you Greg.

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And we'll do it all again next
week on First On Film and Entertainment.