S03E04: Lost in the Wild: "Force of Nature" Unleashes a Storm of Suspense

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First on film and entertainment, and
there is a big new musical in town.

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I am so excited about it because
generally speaking, what happens is that

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producers, well, they cut their
cloth to suit, which means that obviously

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big music le that it would be
made it where we know that people are

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going to buy tickets, they're the
ones that they invest in. And that's

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generally the case with musicals, So
don't could be wrong. I think it's

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fantastic that we see Rocky, horror
and Jersey Boys and all sorts of other

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things over and over, but it's
also lovely when we haven't seen something.

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And groundhog Day the musical is what
I'm talking about now. I suspect that,

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because we're all of a certain age, we must have seen groundhog Day

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the movie, all of us.
And I'm talking about Greg King, I'm

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talking about Jackie Hamilton, and I'm
talking Peter Kraus. Have you all seen

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the nineteen ninety three movie Jackie you
yes, of course? Now what you

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say, of course, did you
appreciate it at the time or you can't

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recall? Oh yeah, Greg,
fun, great fun, Okay, Peter,

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Yes, it was a very clever
premise with Bill Murray. And it's

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interesting how the premise these days,
the word groundhog day just is part of

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a lexicon, isn't it. So
it's incredible how impactful an individual film like

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that can have. What about you, Greg, your recollection the ground I'll

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say it several times, does nothing
changed? What a very good Greg.

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Thank you. Well. This one
as a musical is on at the Prince

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of this theater and what a brilliant, brilliant production it is. And there's

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only one word to describe Tim Mention, and that's genius. This guy who

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do you remember Matilda the musical?
I want to see that one again.

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He was the man responsible for the
me music in that, and he the

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music in this groundhog Day helps propel
the narrative. Now you have to be

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particularly clever to be able to do
that. It's interesting. We talked last

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week about the movie The Color Purple
and how the music doesn't fit in with

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the story. Well, this is
quite the opposite. So for those people

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who have not seen Groundhog Day the
movie, and obviously this pertains to the

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musical as well, imagine living your
life in an endless time loop and going

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nuts so crazy in the process.
That's what it's all about. And it's

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based on the film, which not
only starred Bill Murray but also Andy McDowell

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and was directed by Gregory Do you
remember no okay? Harold raymus now Phil

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Collins, not Colins. Phil Connors
is this egotistical Pittsburgh television weather presenter and

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he's dreading regular trip to small town
America. He's doing it for the fourth

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time. Specifically, I love this
name. Punk's Attorney spelled p u n

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X s u t a w n
e y. We have some unusual spellings

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of various things in this country too, but we don't have a Puck's attority

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here anyway. That's in Pennsylvania,
and that's where they celebrate Groundhog Day on

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February the second. I don't have
an explanation for this, but the opening

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night, the official opening night of
Groundhog Day the musical at the Princess Theater

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was February the first. I don't
know why they didn't wait till the second.

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Anyway, the day itself, that's
when a groundhog. By the way,

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do we know what a groundhog is? Can you hazard a guess?

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Is there an equivalent animal that you
can sort of draw upon to tell me

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what a groundhog is any of you. No, I'm no. I'll call

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it a large squirrel, that's the
Yeah. Anyway, this is a groundhog

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named Phil. I have no idea
why it's named Phil, but there we

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go. It predicts whether they'll face
six more weeks of winter or a rejuvenated

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with early spring. All right,
So that's what it's all about. And

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the townsfolk, led by the mayor, celebrate the day with a parade and

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a slap up dinner, but at
deeply cynical weather man Phil Connell Connor's I

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keep on saying, Colin's I can't
help myself anyway, Phil tre tonight.

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Probably they my busy water. Yeah, excuse me. This is your thin

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backyard? Is it the bedgrouse?
You don't have walls? We established that

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some time ago. Did you hear
the motorbike running through your front yard?

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Oh? Running through the apartment?
You met the apartment? Unelievable. Okay,

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So let's get back to ground dog
Day, to the musical. So

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you've got Connors, who's put up
the night before in this quaint bed breakfast,

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wants to get in and out of
the place as quickly as possible,

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and early on the February second,
is greeted by a regular cameraman called Larry.

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His regular cameraman, but he has
a new producer, Rita Hansen,

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and he treats both of them offhandedly. So he completes his segment on air

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and is intent on skedadling. So
the problem is that, against his expectations

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and his forecast, I might add, there's no movement in or out of

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Pucks Attorney because the place is snowed
in. And to make matters worse,

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when he awakens the next morning,
in the morning after, and the morning

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after that and so on, it's
still February to second, and everything as

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greg z and I mean everything word
for word is on repeat. So Connor's

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quickly slides into this rather dark place
before he comes to realize that there's a

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way to make the best of a
bad situation. This the musical has been

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developed and directed by Matthew watchis booked
by Danny Ruben, already meant music and

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lyrics by Tim Minchin. It is
a ripper, a rolled gold winner,

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and look, I'm just seeing your
awa of mention's ability to keep producing such

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fine material. His lyrics, as
I mentioned, keep the story moving,

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The numbers are ear pleasing, their
melodic. The talent involved in the show

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is superb. The staging is magnificent, the dancing, including a tap routine,

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skillfully choreographed, and there's surprising magic
at play. Now, which of

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you have seen or did see Harry
Potter? Any of you? No?

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Yes, yes, yes, right, there's a reluctance. Hang on,

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So there's yes from Jackie. And
if it was the other for the films

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that the stage play, no,
no, no, no, Jackie,

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you're right, okay, yes,
yes. Did you see the two partera

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or the one part the two PARTA? And I saw it on the one

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day? Oh well, okay?
And do you remember one of the things

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that that was at the Princess Theater
from recollection? Was it not anyway somewhere

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on top of the city there top
of the city? There is anyway at

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the Princess The one of the things
about it that really stood out was the

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magic? Did it not that?
Really? I remember distinctly you saying that

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over and over again, and I
thought it was well appropriate, but it

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certainly didn't stand out for me.
I was a bit disappointed by the stage

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show. Okay, Harlot and totally. Yes, it's called what was it

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Harry Potter and the First Child Child? Yes, it was. You're correct

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and you're wrong. Though you're often
wrong, you couldn't be further from the

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truth. So totally ignore what Jackie
said. The reason I'm saying that is

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that there's magic in this one as
well, and it reminded me of the

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magic in Harry Potter. So just
yeah, Jackie, I don't know what

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it takes it to surprise you when
it comes to magic, but it's very

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special here, like it was the
good magic is good that it was great

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magic in Harry Potter. I saw
Harry Potter three times, and I'm not

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a Harry Potter fan, but it
was fantastic, Absolutely fantastic. I'm talking

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about the movies. The musical was
just immeasurably better than the movies as far

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as I'm concerned. Anyway, nothing
wrong with the movies, but this was

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great. So what we've got in
Groundhog Day the musical is I don't know

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what you've heard the name Andy Carl. I suspect none of you have Carl

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spelled Karl. He played Phil Connors
on Broadway. He originally brought it to

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London's Old VIC Theater, then played
it on Broadway, then brought it back

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to London's Old Vic. It won
him an Olivia Award, he was nominated

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for a Tony Award, and somebody
said to me that after this Melbourne season,

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he's going back for another season.
He offers up, I'm not kidding

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you. A musical theater masterclass.
He's got the superb range. He generates

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emotional resonence. What a performance.
He transitions, I'm talking Andy Carl from

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arrogant, mean, manipulative and daceardly
to caring and sensitive in the space of

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two and a half hours, including
it able, phenomenal and Elise McCann plays

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Rita Hanson out. She's well aware
of the Connor's bad boy reputation that preceded

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him. I mean she's worked with
him in one other setting, which is

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unimportant, but suffice to say she
Elise McCann brings sensitivity and emotional intelligence to

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bear and she also saw as vocally
in Groundhog Day, the musical At the

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Princess Theater. Ashley Rubinach leans into
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Nancy Taylor her solo at the start
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I'm right captures the essence of Connor's
nerdish now insurance salesman former classmate ned

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Ryerson Connors couldn't standing back in the
day at school. That awkwardness is evident

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as Ryson continue, he bumps into
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and Wright comes into his own with
a moving number also in the second act.

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These characters, these actors are ably
supported by a strong ensemble. Just

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to show you how strong it is. Alison White, who is a leading

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lady terrific theater. I've never seen
her in a musical before. I might

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say she plays a bit part in
this one. She plays the owner of

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the air but I was going to
say Airbnb, but the bed and breakfast.

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So anyway, the ensemble very very
strong. It's a delightful journey to

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take in. One of my favorite
scenes sees a drowning Connor's downing shots with

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a couple of local drunk hicks named
Gus and Ralph, and that happens as

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Connor's is spiraling now while the tree
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are hilarious at the bar where the
scene starts. The highly creative staging of

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what follows immediately thereafter is an undoubted
highlight of the show. Not about to

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spoil it for you, but I
should quickly add that that's one of many

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highlights, including this is where the
magic comes in, the disappearance and reappearance

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of Connor's several times in succession after
interval, and what greets you as you

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entered the Princess Theater and Greg guess
I did count these is an imposing set

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consisting of more than thirty television screens
of various sizes. Wow, I mean

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wow, that is quite something.
And honor them are plasted images of Phil

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Connor's presenting the weather. So make
no mistake, he's the star of this

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show. And what an unforgettable,
thoroughly engaging, totally editaining night of theater

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groundhog Day. The music is for
everybody except Jackie who doesn't like magic.

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No, Jackie, You've got to
go and see this, and I know

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you like your music. This is
an absolute superb. I mean, the

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laughs come thinking fast, the sentiment
shines through. It's slick, it's fanciful,

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it's fun. It's playing at the
Princess Theater until the seventh of April.

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On that note, now, have I

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convince you to see it? Jackie? By the way, Oh not necessarily,

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Alex, Because if you thought that
the Harry Potter stage performances had amazing

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magic and I thought it was steairly
ordinary, and you think this one is

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amazing, what would make me think
it actually is? I said to you

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that the actor that leads this won
an Olivier Award and was nominated for Tony

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Does that not inspire you? And
that Tim Ninchen is a genius? Oh?

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Timing is like totally. That's the
reason I would go. Matilda is

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one of my all time favorite exactly, and that's in top three, if

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not my top ever most most most
enjoyable stage musical. And I can't under

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laugh that. Yeah, and I
so did I And I can't understand it

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didn't have any magic in it they
I can't understand why we haven't seen it

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back because it's that good, right, It is that good Matilda the Musical

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and had a very long run,
didn't it. I can't reform, mean,

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it's too too long ago. I'm
trying to remember when we maybe it'll

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come back. Maybe they're planning that, and we speak, well, Sunset

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Boulevard, which we haven't seen for
ages is you know, is coming back,

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which is which is great. That's
exactly what you now. That would

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interest me. That would well,
well, okay, so that would interest

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Peter. That would interest Peter,
wouldn't it, Peter. Yes, although

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the original film of course, can't
be topped. I think no, Peter,

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Peter Pumpkineta. You don't recognize you
do not recognize that on occasions musical

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theater or theater can absolutely out do
absolutely no question out of doing. It.

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Just depends on that they could work
together. You know, it's not

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going to try and completely replicate it
because it's a different medium. So you

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know, go with it and just
enjoy it. You might be surprised.

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Well, but by the way that
the guys involved in Magilda, a number

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of them are involved in the show
as well. I mentioned to you,

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for example, that Matthew Watches is
involved in He directed Majilda the Musical,

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so I mean, there are lots
of people. I'm just looking back.

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If I'm not mistaken, it was
only it was here in twenty sixteen.

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There you go, based on my
review at the time. So it's usually

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around about the seven to ten years. It's like doubling the price of your

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home. Jackie. You'd know more
about that, would know that every seven

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to ten years that's meant to double. Is that right? So one hopes

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if you actually buy the right property. I never guaranteed one that doesn't need

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renovation, Jacqueline or we don't talk
about renovation. We often do off cameras

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this week. Okay, let's let's
go from there, from talking about a

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musical to talking about a few films. And I want to start with a

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movie that moved me greatly. And
I don't usually give you much credit,

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Jackie, but I will give you
credit for Rice Boys Sleeps because it really

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Oh what a powerful, sensitive and
affecting work in Korean and English. I

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just thought, oh my golly.
So thank you Jackie for insisting that I

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see this one. I hope you'd
like it as much as I did.

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Firstly, let me ask you that
before I go on. That's why I

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really wanted you to see it,
Alex, and not just dismissed it us

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not having time, because it's worth
the time. Well, look, it's

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a coming of a legacy story.
And let me give you a bit of

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context here. On a cold winter's
night in nineteen sixty, So Young,

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that's the character name played by Troy
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of a temple in Korea, wrapped
in a blanket, and no one knew

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where she came from. She was
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when she came of age, she
packed her bags, left for the city

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and worked tirelessly. And one of
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a university, which was where she
met the young student who just returned from

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finishing his military service. And he
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So Young and that man became inseparable, but his mental health deteriorated and he

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suffered from schizophrenia. He was admitted, he was admitted to a psychiatric hospital.

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He took his own life and left
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As the baby was born out of
wedlock by Lord, he couldn't have

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citizenship. So again, So Young
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in Canada, where she took a
job in a factory. After an arraser's

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introduction giving the backstory which I've just
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a couple of time frames, nineteen
ninety and nineteen ninety nine, and it's

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so Young's jerdy and that of her
son, whose name is Dong Human played

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as a grade one student by and
I I apologize if I mispronounce the name

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Dong Nol Hwang, and that as
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Both so Young and her son are
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a better life for Dong Xiong than
the one she left behind. She tried

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to teach Dong Jung resilience, including
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and bullying. Dong Jeong develops attitude, and it's not uncommon for the pair

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to clash. So Young avoids any
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father until a devastating development changes all
of that. So this one Rice Boy

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Slips is very much a personal story
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for the actor Anthony Shim, his
family Anthony Shim's family emigrated from South Korea

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to Canada in nineteen ninety four when
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on Vancouver Island, where he was
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He was looked at, he was
treated like an alien, so he desperately

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tried to fit in. And these
are just some of the images that Shim,

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the filmmaker who's also edited this movie, I might say, captures in

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Rice Boys Slips. It's a movie
of real quality and substance naturalism at its

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core, and I very much believed
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striking characterizations. So Young is the
glue that binds the piece together. Choi

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xiong Yun plays her as generally quiet
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just how much So Young as he
endured and continues to bear, always ready

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to face adversity. Dong Noel Juan
is a loner, cute and bewildered as

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the younger son Dong Cheong, while
Ethan Hwang is noteworthy as a racalcitor trettine

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now often teenagers rebel, that's what
he's like here. A gentle soul in

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the movie is the character of Simon, who's played by the writer and director

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Anthony Shim and he's faced his own
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I thought cinematography by Christopher Lou really
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Korea. Also appreciated the mood setting
music by Andrew Jong Un Lee. It

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moved me greatly and no scene more
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Korean mountains towards the end of this
film. It is really special Rice Boys

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Sleeps and I would highly commend it, and I want to get your thoughts,

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Jacking. I think the final scene
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It's basically brings the entire film together
and it stays with you. It's

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so heartfelt and so strong and so
quiet, and in fact, you could

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say that about the whole film.
It's actually a lot of quiet, domestic

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you know, daily life style.
You know, you know, action is

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the wrong word, because I'm trying
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just a way of the way of
living. It's you know, it's a

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story of grief and migrant story and
coming of age, and it all travels

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on a fairly quiet pain that these
lists of big happenings in their lives,

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events, you know, tragedies that
keep coming back. And so it's a

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it's a film of contrasts in that
way. But what we really love is

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the characters who you can you can
identify with them even though you're not in

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their situation. It's a it's a
sympathy and understanding and you can see how

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they're traveling. They're not one dimensional
characters. We learn a lot about them.

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They look great on the screen.
The cinematography, especially when they go

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to Korea towards the end of the
film, is again it's it's actually quite

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simple, but it's really really beautiful
and that at all it's such a contract

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now the Canada, and that's the
point that I was making that, I

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mean, he's got you've got this
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in both camps, and it's interesting. He's very much trying it as they

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have to do, the migrants to
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that he needs to find the mother
has to can fit in and she knows

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her background, but her son not
knowing anything about where he came from his

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cultural heritage except by seeing it in
his mother's experience, but living in Canada,

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he has to go aback to discover
who we are, who he is,

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and where he comes from. And
it sounds like, you know,

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an old story, but it's so
beautifully done, wonderful. So yeah,

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I mean it really is. I
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but it's going to be right up
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I reckon, don't you, Jackie, It'll be there, It will

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be there. Peter, Yes,
that's me. Are you sleeping like Rice

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boy? No, I'm just trying
to mitigate the noise because I'm living near

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the pride parade happening in Fitzroy Streets
and Guilda And that's why all this noise

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is occurring, right, not because
of you. Don't you live without walls?

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We know we have to prove you're
basically it's like you're you're living in

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a Barbie movie, in a Barbie
world. Correct, it's exactly Barby.

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You're open to the elements. Are
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If I ever accused your batist,
then many in white coats are going

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to cut me away. Yes,
but did you did you find this as

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moving as Jackie and I it is. It's a beautifully made film. Anthony

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sim has done a lovely job telling
his own story, and the Korean lived

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experience of migration, which we've seen
before in Manari and of course in Past

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Lives, seems to be a very
strong subgenre of Korean experience that we're now

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seeing in cinemas. And Rice Boy
Sleeps is so well directed and quietly observed,

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which is what I liked about it, And the racism and bullying and

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all that that happened in the nineties
for the mother and for the boy in

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particular really evoked quite effectively. I
also like the way Shim used two aspect

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ratios in the film. He used
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and the wide screen and very colorful
shots for the Korean landscapes that we see

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early in the film and at the
end. So I think that resonates in

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terms of his own experience and wanting
to, I suppose, relive and enjoy

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his mother's Korean life even though they're
now in Canada. So very impressive film,

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beautifully made. Yes, I certainly
recommend it. What about You,

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Greg, It's a very interesting film
about that cultural divide, isn't it.

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Do you give her an experience difficulty
of fitting in, adjusting to a new

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culture, making friends in it.
And it does explore this with insight and

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empathy as you said it severy semi
auder biog graphical coming of age film from

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the Canadian filmmaker Anthony Shim. There
the early scenes show how hard it was

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for Sue Young to fit in.
She works in the factory, but there

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she often suffers from sexual harassment from
a couple of co workers, and the

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boy suffers bullying at school. Racism
is mostly teased at school because of his

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looks, the strange Korean food he
rings there, and he finds a little

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support from the teachers who don't know
how to pronounce his name, and he

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was suggests he changed his name with
something more anglicized, So you know,

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all that racism comes out there.
Then a decade later, it's no wonder

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who's an cleeenager who finds life as
an adole isn't hard. But also the

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fact that when he asked his mother
about questions about his father, except with

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a silence, which doesn't help him, adds to his frustration there. But

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then, as you said, when
I was giving her back to Korea.

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Both modern's done the rare relationship and
formed this strong bond. And as Jackie

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said, those final scenes are quite
beautiful, movingly done. As Peter boy,

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now, I like the cinematography there
infested the wide screen cinematography of Korea

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there, which is really beautiful and
gave sense of the location. They're very

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evocative, and I thought Andrew who
Lee's score was also avocative, give a

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little melodramatic at times, and this
is our art felt drama that will certainly

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find a niche in the art our
symbols. No very much. So well,

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okay, so let's let's get some
scores, and I think they're going

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to be reasonably high, So greet
start with you seven seven for Rice Boy

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Sleeps. Okay, I thought much
more highly of it. What about you,

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Peter? I liked it eight out
of ten, right, and Jackie,

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yes, eight to eight and a
half. And I'm giving it eight

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and a half. I really enjoyed
it very very much. So yeah,

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okay, folks, that's a very
nice way to start on j Air first

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on film and entertainment, and we
will move on to May December. Now,

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I think that it's probably got more
columns centimeters than most international stories.

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When when the scandalous story upon well, what I should say not what this

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is based on. It's inspired by
May December was inspired by this particular story.

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It's directed by Todd Haynes, who
did Carol, and it's MA rated.

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It's one hundred and seventeen minutes now, it's the This inspiration was the

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story of Mary Ka Latourne, and
she was the American teacher. Nineteen ninety

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seven, she pleaded guilty to a
couple of counts of felony second degree rape

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of a child, namely her sixth
grade student, who was twelve years old

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at the time, and she was
jailed from ninety ninety eight to two thousand

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and four, and upon her release, Letourno married the person that she was

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jailed for. So May December's construct
is that, twenty years after similar couple's

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notorious romance script the nation a films
about to be made outlining what went down.

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So, as I say, starting
point truth and then it's fictitious beyond

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that, but it draws, I
dare say, a lot on the imagery

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that we've got in our heads of
the Mary Kayla Tourney story. So the

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star of the picture that is about
to be made is an actress, a

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television actress named Elizabeth, and that's
a role filled by Natalie Portman, and

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as part of her method acting the
four filming starts, Elizabeth reaches out to

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I'll just call her the scarlet woman
involved, whose name is Gracie and Graythi

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played Julianne Moore, and Elizabeth spends
time with Graceie along with her husband,

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who was the underaged child she took
advantage of a couple of decades earlier.

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Elizabeth also spends time with the family
and others involved, and her modus operandi

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is to really try to get to
know Gracey and her mindset, what motivated

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her to do what she did,
and how Gracie feels about that now.

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So Elizabeth also was to get a
read on the husband on Joe Yu played

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both Charles Melton, his state of
mind and that of their children and Gracey's

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children from a previous marriage. What
are writing for really questions of consent,

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manipulation, and vulnerability. There's really
a cinistage to what we see, even

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a couple of decades after the sensational
goings on Gracie in Joe's relationship is going

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to be tested again. Cracks will
open up, pressure is applied, and

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Elizabeth's moral compass also is going to
come under scrutiny. I reckon this is

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a film where patience is rewarded as
the screws are tightened by the writer,

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Sabby Burge, who has done a
fine job. Nothing happens quickly, but

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there's no letterup and as the heat
comes on the unease. The distrust that

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Gracie has of Elizabeth's motive for being
at home is immediately apparent at various junctures.

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Thereafter, the pair bonds and disassociates. All the while Elizabeth is studying

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Gracie's affectations, which he puts to
good use in the final scene when filming

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of the movie being made starts.
I thought that Portman was outstanding multi layered

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performance. She immerses herself in the
role of Elizabeth. She's natural, she's

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credible, and Julianne Moore as well
excelled often through her characterization. She appears

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to be playing with us, and
I'm saying with us the audience, in

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an endeavor to win our favor.
I'm talking about Julianne Moore, but all

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too frequently chinks in Grace's armor appear, and that's a deliberate choice by the

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writer to move us one way and
then the other. And for his part,

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Charles Milton is sensitive but stoic as
Joe You. Marcello Zabos's compelling music

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bed wrappes up the tension in many
scenes, and the director, Todd Hayes

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has a really good command of the
subject matter, milks the dichotomies to ensure

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impact. I really like made us
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What about you, Greg, Look
again? This is a quite interesting

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film there. Todd Hayes does this
kind of thing quite well. It's really

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been a good director of female actresses. There as a rich, few layered

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melodromani but I thought deliberately ambiguous characters
study as roll there but not only is

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about the relationship between the two women. Are the actress studying the other woman

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there? This also raises questions about
the creative process. Why does an actress

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take on a character like this?
Why does she want to play someone that's

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not very likable or sympathetic there?
And how does she go about preparing for

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such a challenging role? And there
is that scene where Elizabeth explaining to your

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choice of roles, and that assumes
in an acting class there, and the

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film's also dealing with themes of identity, how we see ourselves. Chris Grass

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doesn't see herself as a predator and
Joe doesn't see himself as a victim,

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so you know, that's all a
bit confusion. But I thought it was

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a really a bit too slow paced. I didn't draw me in as much

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as it did you, Alex.
I think there but both Portman and more

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from in their respective roles, and
Paying slowly switched back that protective layer of

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his characters. She picked him in
a less than flattering light there. I

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thought more brought a brittle quality of
performance, and as you said, Portmand

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was really good there brings a silly
quality to her character. And Meltolm was

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really good as who still seems to
me in many ways and naive a youngster

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and views his character with a touching
vulnerability that captures his emotional tour will.

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I thought it was a disturbing drama. It didn't provide a lot of these,

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yeah, but lacked any real break
dramatic moments and a deliberately languid pace

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00:33:14.519 --> 00:33:16.440
meant a lack of urgencies there,
and as I said, it didn't draw

403
00:33:16.480 --> 00:33:20.599
me in as much as you do, Knowlex, Yeah, I mean you

404
00:33:20.640 --> 00:33:22.720
remember, of course the news stories
at the time, don't you very much?

405
00:33:22.759 --> 00:33:27.839
So don't know? No? Oh
wow, okay, well, Jackie,

406
00:33:27.880 --> 00:33:34.079
you would remember the story surely.
Oh not necessarily. No. I

407
00:33:35.079 --> 00:33:37.839
well, I was. I mean
I followed it very closely, and I

408
00:33:37.279 --> 00:33:40.279
must admit I just saw it everywhere
at the time. But anyway, what

409
00:33:40.359 --> 00:33:45.559
did you think of the movie he
made December? I preve with you,

410
00:33:45.680 --> 00:33:50.279
Alex, I liked it more the
longer it went on. And I think

411
00:33:50.279 --> 00:33:57.960
the main reason for that was to
just detect how Natalie Portman, the actress,

412
00:33:58.400 --> 00:34:07.960
played Elizabeth, an actress who was
absorbing the character she was going to

413
00:34:07.000 --> 00:34:16.719
be playing and picking up on the
nuances and the mannerisms and sort of just

414
00:34:17.280 --> 00:34:24.639
you know, pushing her way into
her life to find all the tiny details

415
00:34:24.639 --> 00:34:30.000
of the life. And you know, I really think that everyone was surprised

416
00:34:30.079 --> 00:34:32.960
at how much she was kind of
nosying in there, even to the way

417
00:34:34.079 --> 00:34:40.519
she put her makeup on and what
makeups she used. And half of that,

418
00:34:40.639 --> 00:34:45.920
of course, was to get their
faces in the mirror together as we

419
00:34:45.000 --> 00:34:52.079
see Elizabeth merging into this character.
And that's why I enjoyed it the more

420
00:34:52.119 --> 00:34:58.000
it went on, because that built
up. But I also I liked some

421
00:34:58.079 --> 00:35:04.519
of the secondary characters were excellent in
it in their you know, almost casual

422
00:35:04.639 --> 00:35:09.039
approach to their roles. But I
thought the character of Joe was a really

423
00:35:09.079 --> 00:35:13.519
interesting one too. As Greg said, he was a bit of a boy,

424
00:35:13.880 --> 00:35:19.519
a boy man man child and didn't
and he came to a point where

425
00:35:20.480 --> 00:35:25.119
because Elizabeth was there, looking at
the overview of how their lives had turned

426
00:35:25.159 --> 00:35:30.159
out and why this had happened to
start with, and digging right back down

427
00:35:30.199 --> 00:35:32.920
into that when he was just a
boy, I think a lot of this

428
00:35:34.079 --> 00:35:40.519
realization started. Things were just dawning
on him, and I think it showed

429
00:35:40.559 --> 00:35:46.400
how powerful his wife had been to
take over his life and put him,

430
00:35:46.440 --> 00:35:51.800
to seduce him and draw him into
this. So yes, I thought it

431
00:35:51.840 --> 00:35:53.880
was I just I mean, it
was a great story. I'm kind of

432
00:35:53.920 --> 00:35:58.960
glad it wasn't exactly the way the
news story was at the time. It

433
00:35:59.039 --> 00:36:02.840
was you know, fictional line and
because I think actually if it had been

434
00:36:04.639 --> 00:36:07.800
much true to the truth, it
could have been a lot more distressing,

435
00:36:07.599 --> 00:36:10.760
I think, because you know,
it was a crime. Let's face it,

436
00:36:12.119 --> 00:36:15.599
Yeah it's yeah. I mean I
still thought it was quite distressing to

437
00:36:15.599 --> 00:36:20.639
be honest, in terms of what
we see and what we witness throughout the

438
00:36:20.800 --> 00:36:24.119
entirety of the film. And you
know, who's manipulating who may be a

439
00:36:24.199 --> 00:36:28.000
question at the very beginning, but
you, I mean, we're talking about

440
00:36:28.000 --> 00:36:30.320
a kid. We're talking about it. I can't, I don't recall.

441
00:36:30.360 --> 00:36:35.840
Do you remember how old the child
was in the hall? I think he

442
00:36:35.880 --> 00:36:37.480
was. Yeah, he was thirteen
the film, but in real life he

443
00:36:37.599 --> 00:36:40.719
was being a real story, he
was actually twelve. Yeah, that's what

444
00:36:40.760 --> 00:36:45.039
I said. He was a friend
of her son's. They worked a pet

445
00:36:45.079 --> 00:36:52.719
shop something together. And again,
wasn't that a great scene where Elizabeth went

446
00:36:52.840 --> 00:36:59.719
into the pet shop to see where
this had occurred so many years before twenty

447
00:36:59.719 --> 00:37:05.599
three or something before. Yes,
that was an extraordinary scene too. What

448
00:37:05.679 --> 00:37:07.719
about you, Peter, what did
you think? I really like this film.

449
00:37:07.760 --> 00:37:14.360
I love Todd Haynes's films because he
loves to deal with characters who don't

450
00:37:14.440 --> 00:37:21.840
quite fit our normal boundaries and sort
of somewhat unusual or on the edge.

451
00:37:21.920 --> 00:37:23.960
I mean, if you look at
his films like Velvet gold Mine and Far

452
00:37:24.000 --> 00:37:29.840
from Heaven Carroll. As you've mentioned, I'm Not There, etc. He

453
00:37:29.920 --> 00:37:37.519
really likes dealing with provocative and intriguing
people and how some of them don't necessarily

454
00:37:37.599 --> 00:37:42.880
process the experiences that they've been through, and that certainly is the case in

455
00:37:42.920 --> 00:37:49.159
May December, which is such a
well observed film, especially about an actress

456
00:37:49.199 --> 00:37:53.840
who was trying to get into the
mindset of a woman who did, I

457
00:37:53.840 --> 00:37:59.920
suppose, defeat justice to some extent
by having a relationship with an underage child

458
00:38:00.039 --> 00:38:07.039
and trying to understand what that was
and the impact that had. I don't

459
00:38:07.119 --> 00:38:10.800
agree when you used the word sinister
at one stage for Alex to describe the

460
00:38:10.840 --> 00:38:15.840
way the story develops. I felt
it was actually lighter than that, and

461
00:38:16.960 --> 00:38:22.719
in fact had some semblance of humor
in some of the dialogue and some of

462
00:38:22.760 --> 00:38:25.639
the obscurations. So I still thought
there was a sinister undergard Jackie, what

463
00:38:25.719 --> 00:38:31.000
do you think? Yes, but
I do agree that you know, it

464
00:38:31.400 --> 00:38:37.039
kept getting lightened by the humor.
There was some good dialogue and also some

465
00:38:37.159 --> 00:38:42.719
belittle incidences, such as a little
bit of wheat smoking on the roof and

466
00:38:43.000 --> 00:38:45.679
that sort of thing that were you
know, really light, light and shade.

467
00:38:45.760 --> 00:38:49.719
Yeah, anyway, keep going please
yeah, no, I was just

468
00:38:49.760 --> 00:38:55.639
going to say, and the film
really its strength apart from the way the

469
00:38:57.119 --> 00:39:01.360
three main characters are trying to process
everything that is going on in their lives,

470
00:39:01.440 --> 00:39:08.920
and is the final sequences which I
won't spoil, which really relay perhaps

471
00:39:09.320 --> 00:39:15.679
some of the I don't know,
unusual aspects of the storyline and how some

472
00:39:15.719 --> 00:39:21.199
people just don't understand the impact that
they have on other people, and in

473
00:39:21.239 --> 00:39:25.480
particular actress trying to play a role
and what that means for her and for

474
00:39:25.559 --> 00:39:30.920
that original relationship. So I very
much liked May December. I think it's

475
00:39:31.440 --> 00:39:37.000
one of Todd Haynes's more accessible films. And I noticed it does have an

476
00:39:37.039 --> 00:39:42.239
OSCAR nomination, So except Charles Milton
missed out. Well, yes, and

477
00:39:42.320 --> 00:39:45.519
I would agree it is one of
his more accessible movies. So look,

478
00:39:45.599 --> 00:39:49.239
let's get some scores, folks.
Am I rated I May December one hundred

479
00:39:49.239 --> 00:39:52.440
and seventeen minutes. Greg, you'll
be lowballing this, So where are you

480
00:39:52.440 --> 00:39:54.159
at? Yes, as I said, it's interrable, I mean as much

481
00:39:54.159 --> 00:39:59.960
as Hues only gave it a five. Really, wow, that's very low

482
00:40:00.400 --> 00:40:04.400
okay. I well, I'll ask
you, Jackie, where are you with

483
00:40:04.480 --> 00:40:07.320
it? I was just going to
also say May December, in case people

484
00:40:07.320 --> 00:40:13.760
don't realize, refers to marriage between
two people of different generations on an old

485
00:40:13.800 --> 00:40:19.159
one younger, just out of interest. My score for May December seven and

486
00:40:19.159 --> 00:40:22.360
a half out of ten. Peter, I really liked the film, and

487
00:40:22.400 --> 00:40:25.360
I also gave an eight out of
ten, and I gave it an out

488
00:40:25.360 --> 00:40:30.280
of ten as well. There we
go, So that is May December.

489
00:40:30.679 --> 00:40:36.480
Let us move on j eighty eight
FM to a movie which we were going

490
00:40:36.480 --> 00:40:39.679
to talk about a few weeks ago, and I understand it's going to be

491
00:40:39.679 --> 00:40:44.119
a select film, but it's a
very good film. It's called All of

492
00:40:44.199 --> 00:40:46.400
Us Strangers, and it's M rated
one hundred and five minutes, and it's

493
00:40:46.440 --> 00:40:51.719
really sensitive. It's dramatic. It's
a fantasy romance concerning a couple of lost

494
00:40:51.800 --> 00:40:55.039
souls that they're sort of unbeknown to
each other. They actually live in the

495
00:40:55.119 --> 00:41:00.840
same near empty apartment block in London, and I'm not quite clear on why

496
00:41:00.840 --> 00:41:04.480
it's near empty. By the way, Maybe somebody can explain that to me.

497
00:41:05.280 --> 00:41:07.920
They said he's just been constructed.
It didn't look that way to me,

498
00:41:08.000 --> 00:41:12.480
it looked sound has just been apparently
reading up. They said that.

499
00:41:13.039 --> 00:41:16.519
Yeah, okay, they said it
had just been built and where the apartments

500
00:41:16.559 --> 00:41:20.719
weren't yet completed, so people hadn't
moved in yet. Ah, okay,

501
00:41:20.719 --> 00:41:24.239
fantasy. Well, one night at
triggered fire alarms sees the screenwriter or a

502
00:41:24.320 --> 00:41:30.920
screenwriter called Adam played by Andrews Scott, evacuate the building temporarily and he's by

503
00:41:30.000 --> 00:41:35.920
himself. He stirs up. He
sees only a single illuminated window, and

504
00:41:35.960 --> 00:41:39.400
framed against it is a is a
guy, and that man is Harry Paul

505
00:41:39.519 --> 00:41:44.639
Mescale, who sees Adam looking up
at him and later takes a chance by

506
00:41:44.880 --> 00:41:49.840
knocking on the door and introducing himself. Now here's my question, the second

507
00:41:49.920 --> 00:41:52.760
question, how does he know which
floor to go on? Does he?

508
00:41:52.880 --> 00:41:54.800
Does he go downstairs and look up
as well? I mean, how would

509
00:41:54.840 --> 00:41:59.679
you know where he lives? Any
idea? Well, because the lift the

510
00:41:59.719 --> 00:42:02.239
lift, it's number, the floor
number on the list. Okay, fair

511
00:42:02.360 --> 00:42:06.440
enough, No, No, that's
well, that's presuming they're the only two

512
00:42:06.440 --> 00:42:08.800
in the building, which I think
they're not. Maybe the only two,

513
00:42:08.880 --> 00:42:13.639
but yeah, there are more a
few in a very very large building.

514
00:42:14.239 --> 00:42:16.239
Both Ald Horton Alex No, No, I'm just I'm just you know,

515
00:42:16.320 --> 00:42:20.719
to fine detail, That's all I'm
asking to them. Both met a gay

516
00:42:21.079 --> 00:42:24.199
but Harry's them all forward of the
pair and after an initial false start,

517
00:42:24.599 --> 00:42:30.360
that connection is cemented and a relationship
develops between them. Still, both both

518
00:42:30.360 --> 00:42:37.199
have endured trauma isolation as well,
and in Adam's case, who's the original

519
00:42:37.199 --> 00:42:42.960
guy? I spoke about bullying and
Adam's struggling to deal with the passing of

520
00:42:42.960 --> 00:42:50.440
his parents thirty years ago when he
was only twelve. He imagines himself reconnecting

521
00:42:50.480 --> 00:42:54.400
with his mum played by Claire Foyd
and his dad, Jamie Bell, and

522
00:42:54.960 --> 00:43:00.320
this is reconnecting in the house where
they grew up and in this movie,

523
00:43:00.519 --> 00:43:06.119
although he Adam has not aged his
parents, sorry has aged. Rather,

524
00:43:06.320 --> 00:43:10.960
let me restate that although Adam has
aged since obviously he was twelve and hours

525
00:43:12.000 --> 00:43:16.320
forty two, his parents haven't,
and Adam's warmly welcome back into their lives.

526
00:43:16.320 --> 00:43:21.639
He sets about answering their questions as
to what's happened in the intervening decades.

527
00:43:22.599 --> 00:43:27.280
That process also reveals a disconnect between
Adam and his parents. Back in

528
00:43:27.320 --> 00:43:31.400
the day. Harry also is hiding
a deep seated need, I might say,

529
00:43:31.440 --> 00:43:37.119
And this is based on a novel
by Taichi Yamada, and it's been

530
00:43:37.159 --> 00:43:42.039
written All of Us Strangers and is
directed by Andrew haig Lean on Pete.

531
00:43:42.599 --> 00:43:46.119
It's slow burn, it's reflective,
it's mysterious, and it's very very well

532
00:43:46.159 --> 00:43:52.920
realized events unraveling their own sweet time. Patience is rewarded. I thought Andrew

533
00:43:52.960 --> 00:43:59.559
Scott was superb. Really plays this
caring and considered character as the troubled lead,

534
00:43:59.599 --> 00:44:04.599
and it's this heartfelt performance as well. Much of it is deliberately left

535
00:44:04.719 --> 00:44:09.960
unsaid. Paul Muscal has layers to
his characterization as well. He imbues Harry

536
00:44:10.000 --> 00:44:16.000
with passion and vulnerability. Clairefoy brings
wonderment and humor to her representation of a

537
00:44:16.079 --> 00:44:22.239
mother who knows she could have given
more. And then there's internal wrestle within

538
00:44:22.320 --> 00:44:28.960
Jamie Bell as he tackles Dad's past
inadequacies. So it's the second time I've

539
00:44:29.039 --> 00:44:34.840
used this term. First time was
with regards to another character. This one

540
00:44:35.000 --> 00:44:39.199
All of Us Strangers is strong and
emotional resonance, and it pinpoints the importance

541
00:44:39.239 --> 00:44:45.079
of breaking down barriers and letting others
in So Oregon, Andrew haiges imbued a

542
00:44:45.119 --> 00:44:49.599
film with a great deal of sensitivity. What did you think, Jackie or

543
00:44:49.679 --> 00:44:55.400
Peter sorry Lestart with Peter Okay.
Andrew Haigue is such an interesting filmmaker because

544
00:44:57.039 --> 00:45:02.039
his own gay experience is so have
reflected to some extent in all of Us

545
00:45:02.039 --> 00:45:08.719
Strangers. When he saw the Japanese
novel, which was heterosexual in orientation at

546
00:45:08.719 --> 00:45:15.199
plus the time travel and fantasy elements
and the idea of someone wanting to revisit

547
00:45:15.280 --> 00:45:21.840
their past in a particular dream like
way, he changed that to being a

548
00:45:21.880 --> 00:45:27.239
gay story. And there is so
much resonance in the way the two lead

549
00:45:27.360 --> 00:45:32.079
characters, Mescal and Scott developed their
roles, but especially about Scott and his

550
00:45:34.199 --> 00:45:40.400
traveling back to his parents' experience and
how he wasn't able to really reveal that

551
00:45:40.480 --> 00:45:45.440
he was gay, or at least
it wasn't treated as being something that was

552
00:45:45.840 --> 00:45:53.199
appropriate, and although mother was more
sympathetic than the father, and this whole

553
00:45:53.280 --> 00:46:00.960
notion of acceptance of love and of
understanding the part and coming to grips with

554
00:46:01.559 --> 00:46:09.760
a heritage that you're trying to understand
yourself overlaid by this sort of fantasy elements

555
00:46:09.840 --> 00:46:16.440
which play out as the film progresses. I was very impressed by All of

556
00:46:16.480 --> 00:46:23.400
Us Strangers. I know it has
multiple Bafter nominations, and it is quite

557
00:46:23.400 --> 00:46:29.880
a powerful film, which fits in
the canon of films that deal with gay

558
00:46:30.039 --> 00:46:35.960
characters trying to understand and come to
grips with their relationship to society. So

559
00:46:36.280 --> 00:46:42.800
yes, very impressive film. Gregor, again, yes, this is probably

560
00:46:43.519 --> 00:46:47.840
for a lot in common with Andrew
Hage's earlier film Weekend about to day lives

561
00:46:47.840 --> 00:46:52.280
many over Weekend and developing that relationship
there as well, so it has a

562
00:46:52.280 --> 00:46:59.760
bit in common with that film as
well. Those story sort of isn't quite

563
00:46:59.760 --> 00:47:02.119
odd this what's happening for quite a
while there. I thought it's taking a

564
00:47:02.119 --> 00:47:06.880
while at getting into that that part
of it there and traveling back from the

565
00:47:07.000 --> 00:47:12.480
forwards. But it's kind of an
ethereal lyrical sensitive nuances to it there.

566
00:47:13.559 --> 00:47:17.280
And it's also about connection, relationships, family, loss and trauma. So

567
00:47:17.480 --> 00:47:22.519
Gil has some weighty things there,
the past memories and regrets there and clear

568
00:47:22.559 --> 00:47:29.360
identity and the fact that the parents'
side in the eighties. I think reading

569
00:47:29.400 --> 00:47:32.440
all that elements of you know,
the homophobia, the fear of age,

570
00:47:32.480 --> 00:47:37.039
all that kind of stuff which sort
of there in the background, but it's

571
00:47:37.079 --> 00:47:39.800
just as Bitter point out, I
think this is a deeply personal and idiosynthetic

572
00:47:39.920 --> 00:47:45.039
film from Hague there, and it's
full of raw emotions and honesty there,

573
00:47:45.280 --> 00:47:50.400
and it's probably his best film to
date there, and the performances were all

574
00:47:50.599 --> 00:47:55.000
very good. Paul Mescal's had a
great year issue this is his fourth film.

575
00:47:55.039 --> 00:47:58.519
I think, is that right?
What were hang on? What are

576
00:47:58.519 --> 00:48:07.280
the okay? Carmen and another one
Okay? After Sun is the one that

577
00:48:07.480 --> 00:48:10.280
stands out for me. I've got
to say that whether that was a phenomenal

578
00:48:10.320 --> 00:48:13.880
film. While Checkie, you didn't
like After Sun, did you? No?

579
00:48:14.239 --> 00:48:17.559
No, I wasn't. It wasn't
it wasn't my favorite, No no

580
00:48:17.880 --> 00:48:22.239
no. I thought there's great chemistry
between the two leaders there as well.

581
00:48:22.559 --> 00:48:28.159
That adds to the film. Paul
miscal brought back a Regis had a Regis

582
00:48:28.320 --> 00:48:32.559
charmer of his character that hides that
personal pain you mentioned there, And I

583
00:48:32.639 --> 00:48:37.079
thought dread Scott was great giving you
that troubled, hoarded quality to Adam there.

584
00:48:38.360 --> 00:48:42.559
And I thought Bell was also really
good there, mature, honest,

585
00:48:42.880 --> 00:48:47.159
subtly, most charged performance there.
And the year with bluish cinematography from Jamie

586
00:48:47.800 --> 00:48:52.159
Ramsey also plays in Jack Ghostly estetic, giving it a bit of a dream

587
00:48:52.280 --> 00:48:57.119
like quality at times there and the
music choices from the eighties yere, particularly

588
00:48:57.400 --> 00:49:01.199
that Fredki Jose Hollywood gieve me some
vet shop boys informed of the films,

589
00:49:01.320 --> 00:49:06.480
themes and stupids in that eighties vibe
as well gives up you of a non

590
00:49:06.519 --> 00:49:09.599
poligage sit of material. Yeah,
very much. So well, what about

591
00:49:09.639 --> 00:49:15.360
you, Jackie. Did you appreciate
it so far? It's my film of

592
00:49:15.440 --> 00:49:20.440
the year. Oh my golly.
I was absolute. In fact, I'm

593
00:49:20.519 --> 00:49:24.119
almost breaking down even just talking about
this film. Wow. I just thought

594
00:49:24.320 --> 00:49:31.119
it was absolutely stunning, and the
way it was done, the story that

595
00:49:31.239 --> 00:49:37.559
it told, it could have misfied
badly. We talk about dream sequences and

596
00:49:37.760 --> 00:49:43.039
grief and ghost story and love story, gay story, resurrection and the time

597
00:49:43.119 --> 00:49:47.719
slips and all of that. It
could have come so badly. But I

598
00:49:49.000 --> 00:49:54.920
thought it was exquisite in every aspect, from the characters to the cinematography,

599
00:49:55.599 --> 00:50:04.760
the ghostliness of it, the tension
and the and the times of warmth,

600
00:50:05.039 --> 00:50:09.920
the reconnection with his parents. Just
love, love, love this film.

601
00:50:10.519 --> 00:50:15.960
Wow. Okay, so well,
let's I'll start, I'll give it All

602
00:50:16.000 --> 00:50:20.400
of Us Strangers MA a rate at
one hundred and five minutes. I'm giving

603
00:50:20.480 --> 00:50:27.719
an eight out of ten, Greg
seven, seven, Peter, very impressive

604
00:50:27.760 --> 00:50:31.559
film, nine out of ten from
me and Jackie. I'll go the whole

605
00:50:31.599 --> 00:50:37.760
hog really wow, ten out of
ten all of the Strangers, Well,

606
00:50:37.800 --> 00:50:40.199
I the recommend it. Well,
so it's it can't be beaten now for

607
00:50:40.280 --> 00:50:45.960
film of the Year. I mean, if there are other other films that

608
00:50:46.039 --> 00:50:50.360
get that score, I didn't score. I don't think I scored any film

609
00:50:50.639 --> 00:50:54.039
ten out of ten last year.
Oppenheimer, what did you give it?

610
00:50:54.840 --> 00:50:58.280
I think probably gather it nine to
nine and a half. I don't think

611
00:50:58.320 --> 00:51:00.000
I gave it a ten anyway,
I can't quite member. But anyway,

612
00:51:00.360 --> 00:51:09.920
just all that aside, all of
Us Strangers completely completely enveloped me and very

613
00:51:10.000 --> 00:51:15.480
heartfelt, and it was just beautiful. Yeah, yeah, I mean it

614
00:51:15.559 --> 00:51:19.920
was certainly a very powerful film,
no question about that. All right,

615
00:51:20.000 --> 00:51:23.159
Well, look, let's let's move
on to our last film of the day,

616
00:51:23.480 --> 00:51:29.039
which is Force of Nature The Dry
Too, and we're talking M rating

617
00:51:29.199 --> 00:51:34.039
one hundred and twelve minutes. Federal
police have a financial services firm squalling their

618
00:51:34.119 --> 00:51:38.119
sites. They've put the hard word
on one of the employees to help bring

619
00:51:38.239 --> 00:51:44.199
down this particular firm, and that's
the contention in The Dry Too, with

620
00:51:44.519 --> 00:51:50.360
Detective Aaron Bull played by Eric Banner
returning from the dry in twenty twenty to

621
00:51:50.440 --> 00:51:52.280
do much of the heavy lifting,
and he and his partner, a detective

622
00:51:52.360 --> 00:51:58.960
called Carmen Pooper Jacqueline Mackenzie, are
squeezing Alice. This is the employee played

623
00:51:59.000 --> 00:52:02.280
by an A Tour. She has
deep inside a knowledge of the workings of

624
00:52:02.320 --> 00:52:07.480
the company. She's profited from the
dirty dealings, and so the authorities have

625
00:52:07.760 --> 00:52:10.719
Alice over a barrel. The last
piece of the puzzle is the dangerous task

626
00:52:10.800 --> 00:52:16.360
of downloading data, which Alice is
reluctant to undertake because she fears being caught

627
00:52:17.159 --> 00:52:22.320
caught within the firm. But Detective
four will not take no for an answer,

628
00:52:22.559 --> 00:52:25.480
so the news is tightening. The
day before Alice's due to go on

629
00:52:25.599 --> 00:52:31.079
a team bonding exercise deep into the
Victorian Bush and she does that, and

630
00:52:31.199 --> 00:52:36.360
that's when the whole case against the
firm, and specifically it's boss Daniel Bailey

631
00:52:36.440 --> 00:52:43.039
played by Richard Roxborough, looks like
unraveling. That's because Alice goes missing,

632
00:52:44.039 --> 00:52:47.519
so bad Weather's about the steady in
a search involved Victoria Police and the two

633
00:52:47.559 --> 00:52:53.480
detectives I've mentioned, Detective Faulk and
Cooper. There's a search that's launched,

634
00:52:54.320 --> 00:53:05.000
and this short getaway that the others
have taken also brings into focus four other

635
00:53:05.039 --> 00:53:08.079
women in the company, all of
whom have taken the trip, and they

636
00:53:08.159 --> 00:53:13.480
struggle with Alice's belligerent nature. They've
got issues of their own as well.

637
00:53:14.320 --> 00:53:17.280
You could hardly call them happy campers. Because the group becomes lost, so

638
00:53:17.679 --> 00:53:22.639
mobile phones have been taken from them. Because this is a commune with nature

639
00:53:22.679 --> 00:53:27.039
type experience, Alice manages to smuggle
one in, but it's really no help

640
00:53:27.119 --> 00:53:31.199
because there's hardly any reception. And
the bush setting is also triggering for Detective

641
00:53:31.280 --> 00:53:35.519
Fork. He knows the area well. It's where he and his parents came

642
00:53:35.559 --> 00:53:37.599
when he was a boy. So
a lot of detail in the plotting in

643
00:53:37.679 --> 00:53:43.239
the dry too, including a significant
red herring, and it does require bit

644
00:53:43.239 --> 00:53:46.599
a concentration to follow behind it.
No shortage of pent up anger and angst

645
00:53:46.719 --> 00:53:51.480
and emotion. So it's a thriller
that unfolds in three time frames. You've

646
00:53:51.480 --> 00:53:53.960
got the present, the immediate Past
and the Distant Past, and the writer

647
00:53:54.079 --> 00:53:59.039
and the director is Robert Conley and
his works based on a novel by Jane

648
00:53:59.079 --> 00:54:04.480
Harper. The setting, the cinematography
by Andrew Commas from Blue He did Blueback.

649
00:54:04.960 --> 00:54:08.360
I thought it was magnificent, real
picture postcard material. It's fantastic,

650
00:54:08.639 --> 00:54:15.480
very proud shot in Victoria. Tension
raised by Peter ray Burn, who was

651
00:54:15.559 --> 00:54:20.760
responsible for music in the Dry.
The score is certainly raised in this score

652
00:54:20.800 --> 00:54:24.159
as well. Eric Bannett well very
solid he always is as the film's hero,

653
00:54:24.360 --> 00:54:30.039
Detective Fork. This is a deeply
personal case for him. Richard Roxburgh

654
00:54:30.039 --> 00:54:34.679
brings arrogance and entitlement to the end
of the financial enterprise Daniel Bailey, and

655
00:54:34.880 --> 00:54:37.320
some of that rubs off on his
wife Jill played by Debra leef and Ness,

656
00:54:38.000 --> 00:54:43.280
with whom he has a prickly relationship
and at TORV had a well,

657
00:54:43.360 --> 00:54:46.760
she's got a no compromise approach to
her realization of Alice, and Robin mcleevy

658
00:54:46.880 --> 00:54:52.360
is troubled as Alice is subjugated and
poorly treated old school friend and Gollie Lauren.

659
00:54:52.760 --> 00:54:58.039
Then you've got Cissy Stinger, who
revels in her bad girl persona as

660
00:54:58.079 --> 00:55:02.119
another employee called Beth, and Lucy
Ansel plays her naive, good natured sister

661
00:55:02.239 --> 00:55:07.639
Bree. Now, for all of
these positives, I reckon, you've got

662
00:55:07.679 --> 00:55:09.239
to have a lead, to leap
of faith, to swallow a key component

663
00:55:09.320 --> 00:55:14.480
of the narrative. It seems mighty
implorusible that a group of women without any

664
00:55:14.559 --> 00:55:17.400
form of communication to the outside world
would simply be let loose in the dense

665
00:55:17.480 --> 00:55:22.119
forest just didn't make a lot of
sense to me. But and some of

666
00:55:22.159 --> 00:55:27.639
the scenes, I'm sorry, look
decidedly amateurish. And that includes the opening

667
00:55:27.679 --> 00:55:31.599
when now Alice disappears and then you
know, women are crying out, and

668
00:55:31.679 --> 00:55:35.760
then then when she twists her ankle. They're just a couple. That really

669
00:55:35.800 --> 00:55:39.920
stood out for me is looking below
par. But overall, I was invested

670
00:55:39.960 --> 00:55:45.599
in the journey. I as I
say, admire the location. It's a

671
00:55:45.679 --> 00:55:47.960
it's a decent film. I don't
think it's as good as the original Dry

672
00:55:49.440 --> 00:55:53.039
but it's okay. What about you, Jackie, No, it's not okay.

673
00:55:53.159 --> 00:55:58.239
Alex was not okay at all.
Most of it was below par Alex.

674
00:55:58.360 --> 00:56:02.360
It was it was it was a
TV episode, you know, it

675
00:56:02.840 --> 00:56:08.000
just didn't It just didn't have the
right tone and the narrative. I mean,

676
00:56:08.079 --> 00:56:13.039
you say a leak of faith.
Honestly, the plot holes were none

677
00:56:13.199 --> 00:56:16.039
of it made sense. I did
not believe it from the start. I

678
00:56:16.119 --> 00:56:22.920
mean an office team building exercise where
the women go off, including two sisters,

679
00:56:22.000 --> 00:56:25.920
Why would you put two sisters in
it? Just it just doesn't And

680
00:56:27.239 --> 00:56:31.760
when Alice falls back and bumps her
head and she had a backpack on,

681
00:56:32.360 --> 00:56:37.480
how could you it? Just like
it was just full of holes. It

682
00:56:37.599 --> 00:56:40.280
did not work for me at all. Fair enough, great King, this

683
00:56:40.480 --> 00:56:47.320
is more like an Agasatrisy mystery than
the Rigal Drive there with the gallery of

684
00:56:47.480 --> 00:56:51.639
suspect there, but none of those
women were really likable or pleasant people.

685
00:56:52.159 --> 00:56:55.880
You couldn't care less about them.
Really. It looked beautiful though the scenery,

686
00:56:57.280 --> 00:57:00.280
Oh shot your ways in that why
Andrew commentary. Beautiful done there and

687
00:57:00.480 --> 00:57:06.280
just showing how nature can draw human
carriages there. But yeah, for me,

688
00:57:06.440 --> 00:57:08.480
this is only an average film.
Yeah, what about you better?

689
00:57:08.719 --> 00:57:15.639
Anything better than that? I really
like this film And I had a check

690
00:57:15.760 --> 00:57:21.880
to Robert Connolly about it and did
that influence your like? Did it or

691
00:57:22.840 --> 00:57:24.840
no? No? I wanted to
know more about the background to the film,

692
00:57:24.880 --> 00:57:30.280
and he said it was based very
strongly on Jane Harper's follow up novel

693
00:57:30.400 --> 00:57:36.480
To the Dry and especially dealing with
leachers and everything in the Dan and long

694
00:57:36.559 --> 00:57:42.199
Rangers and so on. The filming
was was quite quite difficult at times.

695
00:57:42.400 --> 00:57:45.760
But no, I think I'm finding
a little bit of sexism here in this

696
00:57:46.000 --> 00:57:50.960
review from some of you, because
if this was a group of men who

697
00:57:51.079 --> 00:57:55.800
go out on a team bonding exercise
and issues happen and so on, we

698
00:57:55.880 --> 00:58:02.599
would accept it and not question it
at all, not at all. The

699
00:58:02.719 --> 00:58:06.920
fact is that they didn't have any
communication. They didn't have a walkie talking,

700
00:58:06.960 --> 00:58:10.639
they didn't have anything. I don't
care whether it's men women or or

701
00:58:10.800 --> 00:58:16.039
German guineas German guinea pings. Yeah, it doesn't matter. I mean,

702
00:58:17.480 --> 00:58:21.960
it's like, no, no,
it's like going out into the ocean without

703
00:58:22.000 --> 00:58:25.199
any any perb what's it called an
eperb or whatever. You you don't do

704
00:58:25.320 --> 00:58:29.559
that sort of thing. You you
tell people where you're going. You have

705
00:58:29.800 --> 00:58:35.559
some gebrae furnace. Character should have
that, some sort of communication device.

706
00:58:35.840 --> 00:58:39.480
Back, huge leader, huge team
leader. Yes, agreed, there you

707
00:58:39.559 --> 00:58:44.800
go, Peter, you've been found
out. I'm sorry. I disagree with

708
00:58:44.960 --> 00:58:52.280
all of those, because this was
a very special sort of environment and situation

709
00:58:52.480 --> 00:58:58.280
that these women placed themselves in,
and with the overlaying tension of what was

710
00:58:58.320 --> 00:59:02.719
going on externally, and I thought
noncommunication with the outside world was a key

711
00:59:02.840 --> 00:59:08.000
part of it. And I like
the way the plot develops, especially the

712
00:59:08.599 --> 00:59:13.960
twist at the end. Look and
it's an all Australian cast, which is

713
00:59:14.119 --> 00:59:17.800
fantastic to see. Yes, an
all Australian cast does I'm sorry. We

714
00:59:17.960 --> 00:59:22.719
cannot give plaudits just because it's an
all Australian cast. You've got to view

715
00:59:22.760 --> 00:59:24.079
this against all the other movies that
are out there, and I know it's

716
00:59:24.119 --> 00:59:28.719
being heavily produced. I didn't mind
it, right, But I don't think

717
00:59:28.760 --> 00:59:35.159
we give a past just because it's
an American Australian cast. Who's we I

718
00:59:35.280 --> 00:59:38.440
love the way later you have an
assumption about a view of a film that

719
00:59:39.760 --> 00:59:45.280
you don't accept and if someone else
has a different view. And I was

720
00:59:45.360 --> 00:59:47.280
impressed by this film as I was
watching it, and I like the way

721
00:59:47.320 --> 00:59:52.400
it developed. I think it's a
very effective follow up to the Dry the

722
00:59:52.480 --> 00:59:57.480
first one, and Eric Banner and
the rest of the cast and Debraly Furnas

723
00:59:57.519 --> 01:00:00.199
in particular, just superb in the
film. He liked it. Okay,

724
01:00:00.840 --> 01:00:05.480
Yes, well I didn't. I
didn't mind it, but I didn't think.

725
01:00:06.239 --> 01:00:09.320
You didn't see the amateurish acting.
You didn't see any of that,

726
01:00:09.400 --> 01:00:14.280
Peter, No, I did not, and I dispute that completely. I

727
01:00:14.639 --> 01:00:17.639
think there was some amateurish elements.
Did you see that, Jackie amateur is

728
01:00:17.639 --> 01:00:22.239
Shoh? Look, I usually really
like Eric Banner. I think he really

729
01:00:22.360 --> 01:00:24.480
lifts a film. But in this
case I thought he was just wooden and

730
01:00:24.639 --> 01:00:29.519
he just flagged his you know,
he signaled what was going on with his

731
01:00:29.679 --> 01:00:34.239
stairs, and he's frowns and he's
I thought he was signed. I didn't

732
01:00:34.280 --> 01:00:37.039
ever with him. I had a
problem with somebody. Well, I did

733
01:00:37.119 --> 01:00:40.559
with everyone, but I was most
disappointed with his because normally, you know,

734
01:00:40.639 --> 01:00:44.519
a big fan. So look,
I think I'll give the second highest

735
01:00:44.519 --> 01:00:46.320
score, Peter, after all of
that, right, but so I think

736
01:00:46.400 --> 01:00:51.079
the lowest will be Jackie go for
it. I don't even like the title

737
01:00:51.280 --> 01:00:55.000
Force of Nature the dry too.
I just don't even like the title.

738
01:00:55.119 --> 01:00:59.320
Three out of ten, three out
of ten. There you go, Pete.

739
01:01:00.400 --> 01:01:06.280
Mike greg SIPs out of ten seven
out of ten for me, Peter

740
01:01:06.639 --> 01:01:09.239
seventeen out of ten. Go on, what is it? The title is

741
01:01:09.599 --> 01:01:15.079
Jane Harper's for goodness sake, and
give us, give us a score.

742
01:01:15.440 --> 01:01:19.239
May not like it because of that, no, I know, but welcome

743
01:01:19.280 --> 01:01:25.199
to the Holdovers. Anyway, we
won't go. Dear Jackie, Jackie,

744
01:01:25.239 --> 01:01:29.039
I reckon you, but you've got
to go and see the Holdovers again.

745
01:01:29.119 --> 01:01:31.880
You really do think your force of
nature? Seven out of ten. Okay,

746
01:01:31.920 --> 01:01:35.679
so it's the same score as me. You said you really liked it,

747
01:01:36.000 --> 01:01:38.800
and then then you mark it down
to seven. This should be eight

748
01:01:39.000 --> 01:01:43.920
or nine. Sure, even it's
a good score, okay, right,

749
01:01:44.280 --> 01:01:49.199
folks. Luckily I brought the average
down. God, it's been a pleasure.

750
01:01:49.760 --> 01:01:52.039
Thank you very much, folks.
We'll do it all again next week.

751
01:01:52.119 --> 01:01:53.880
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