Episodes

Jackye Clayton and Katee Van Horn unpack GLP-1 access, weight bias, appearance privilege, and the future of employee benefits.

Argentina is often imagined as one of Latin America’s most European countries. But that story leaves out generations of Black and Afro-Argentine people.

Jackye Clayton and Katee Van Horn dig into how race, history, identity, and national storytelling can make entire communities seem invisible — even when they were never truly absent. Then they bring the conversation back to work: what happens when organizations do the same thing?

This episode explores racial erasure, representation, belonging, and the difference between simply having people in the room and actually recognizing their presence, influence, and contributions.

AI is already changing how companies hire, but the bigger question is whether it’s helping us make better decisions or just faster ones.

In this episode of **The Inclusive AF Podcast**, Jackye Clayton and Katee Van Horn talk with **Tina Shah Paikeday, Responsible AI Senior Advisor at Findem**, about what responsible AI in hiring actually looks like.

They get into bias, human oversight, new regulations, skills-based hiring, and why HR teams need to be careful about which tools they use and what information they put into them.

Tina also talks about how AI can help recruiters spend less time sorting through hundreds of résumés and more time doing the work that actually matters: advising hiring managers, building relationships with candidates, and finding talent that traditional hiring processes may overlook.

The bottom line: **AI can be useful, but it still needs judgment, guardrails, and accountability from the humans using it.**

Ready to transform your job search and ace your next interview? In this powerful episode of the Inclusive AF Podcast, Katee Van Horn and Jackye Clayton sit down with expert interview coach Ramon Santillian to unpack the secrets to landing your dream role—especially for those who are neurodiverse or introverted.Ramon Santillian shares inspiring stories of helping clients on the autism spectrum get hired at top companies like Facebook, Google, NASA, and Amazon. You'll learn why it’s not about havi...

🎙️ Welcome to The Inclusive AF Podcast with Katee Van Horn and Jackye Clayton! In this special episode, the hosts dive deep into how and where people get their news, the challenges of finding unbiased sources, and why it matters more than ever with today’s fast-moving headlines. From Ground News and TikTok to holiday celebrations and hilarious AI mishaps, this episode combines timely conversations about inclusion, current events, and some much-needed festive fun.

Expect honest reflections, tips...

Join Jackye Clayton and Katee Van Horn on this eye-opening episode of The Inclusive AF Podcast as they dive into recent controversial decisions affecting diversity, equity, and inclusion. From AT&T axing its DEI programs to Texas shifting its support for underutilized businesses, Jackye Clayton and Katee Van Horn break down what these rollbacks mean for marginalized communities, business owners, and the workplace.

Curious how capitalism, government contracts, and even definitions of veteran sta...

Welcome to The Inclusive AF Podcast! In this powerful episode, hosts Jackye Clayton & Katee Van Horn sit down with Hugues Sygney Jr. for an inspiring conversation about justice, equity, and how businesses can create true impact in their communities—with a special focus on the B Corp movement.

We dig deep into what it means for a company to be a force for good, the transformative role of B Corps, and the real-life programs making generational change—like fair wages, open hiring, and wealth-build...

Get ready for an eye-opening episode of The Inclusive AF Podcast! Hosts Katee Van Horn and Robin Schooling sit down with special guest Michael Wenning, HR tech innovator, to dive deep into the realities of modern job searching, hiring bias, and how technology is reshaping the candidate experience.

Discover why Michael Wenning believes the current job application process is broken, how his new app "Passive" aims to put candidates back in the driver’s seat, and what companies can do to truly find...

Get ready for another thought-provoking episode of The Inclusive AF Podcast, hosted by Katee Van Horn and Jackye Clayton! In this episode, Jackye dives into the real impact of recent government layoffs — especially those hitting the CDC and Department of Education. Are these cuts really about "fiscal responsibility," or is there something deeper going on?

Join the conversation as Jackye discusses how these decisions affect marginalized communities, civil rights, worker safety, mental health, an...

Welcome to The Inclusive AF Podcast! In this thought-provoking episode, Dr. Bobby Melloy and Jackye Clayton dive deep into the changing landscape of workplace culture, the science behind organizational psychology, and the impact of AI in HR.

Joined by special guest Bobby Malloy from Culture Amp, we explore real stories about leadership signals, psychological safety, burnout, generational divides, and the challenges facing marginalized groups in today's work environment.

Whether you’re an HR pr...

Welcome to another thought-provoking episode of the Inclusive AF Podcast with hosts Jackye Clayton and Katee Van Horn! In this episode, we’re thrilled to welcome inclusion strategist and author Ruchika T. Malhotra, who dives deep into her groundbreaking books, including "Inclusion on Purpose" and her latest work, "Uncompete."

Ruchika shares powerful insights into why competition isn’t always the answer—challenging the status quo and inspiring us to rethink how we work, lead, and collaborate. Fr...

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Welcome to another unapologetically real episode of the Inclusive AF Podcast with your hosts Jackye Clayton and Katee Van Horn! This time, they’re joined by Desiree Goldey and Ashley King, powerhouse co-hosts of the Talentless podcast, for a candid, thought-provoking discussion about the state of work, HR, and social justice.

Get ready as they break down:
- Why HR and Talent Acquisition are the true economic gatekeepers and drivers of generational wealth
- The all-too-re...

Ready to transform your HR strategy for the future of work? In this episode of The Inclusive AF Podcast, host Katee Van Horn sits down with Sophia Whelan and Sarah Smart, co-founders of Horizon Human, for an honest, insightful discussion about the evolving landscape of HR and Talent Acquisition in the age of AI.

Sophia and Sarah bring their expertise from top global organizations to break down how HR can drive trust, equity, and innovation—without falling for every "shiny" tech object. Discover...

🎸 How can we make EVERYONE feel seen at work—while actually driving retention and business results? On this episode of The Inclusive AF Podcast, Katee Van Horn sits down with the dynamic Curtis Forbes (he/him)—former jazz musician, serial entrepreneur, and founder of Mustard Hub—to jam about transforming workplace culture, recognition, and DEI through tech.

Curtis shares his unique journey from the jazz stage to launching an AI-powered employee engagement platform and dives into:
- What it mean...

Ready for a fresh, honest take on workplace inclusion and leadership? In this episode of The Inclusive AF Podcast, hosts Jackye Clayton and Katee Van Horn are joined by Dr. Carol Parker Walsh, an expert in organizational culture and psychological safety. They dive deep into what’s really going on in today’s workplaces: layoffs in DEI, the pressures of AI, burned-out leaders, and the ever-changing expectations for managers.

Whether you’re unsure about your next career move, trying to foster belo...

Ready for a refreshingly REAL conversation about diversity, equity, and inclusion? In this episode of The Inclusive AF Podcast, hosts Jackye Clayton and Katee Van Horn turn up the fun with a rapid-fire “Would You Rather: DEI Edition” game!

They tackle everything from DEI budgets vs. CEO support, to potlucks vs. unlimited PTO, dealing with microaggressions, navigating DEI strategy in the workplace, and even imagining Beyoncé or Lizzo at your next ERG Summit. If you need laughs, honesty, and acti...

Welcome to another episode of The Inclusive AF Podcast with your hosts Jackye Clayton and Katee Van Horn! In this insightful and candid conversation, we welcome back Eric M. Bailey—author of "The Cure for Stupidity"—to dig deep into the ever-evolving world of diversity, equity, inclusion, and belonging (DEIB) at work.

Things are shifting fast: DEI language is being weaponized, organizations are changing their approach (or just changing the name), and real change often feels stuck. Eric shares w...

Welcome to another powerful episode of the Inclusive AF Podcast with Jackye Clayton and Katee Van Horn! 🎙️

In this episode, Jackye and Katee dive deep into the impact of the recent rollback of Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (DEI) initiatives within the Department of Veterans Affairs. Discover how these changes are affecting marginalized veterans and active duty personnel, the removal of critical healthcare services (like gender-affirming care), and the troubling implications on mental health ...

Welcome to the Inclusive AF Podcast! In our most recent episode, hosts Jackye Clayton and Katee Van Horn get real about what's happening in workplaces and in the world right now. From HR ethics scandals and employee morale drops to the impact of DEIB cuts and the increasing role of AI at work, we dive deep into the stories making headlines—and the ones that should be.

We talk about:
- Why recent public scandals (think high-profile affairs at work!) shake company culture
- How the rollback of DE...

Ready for some real talk on navigating job pivots, protecting your mental health, and finding your purpose—especially when it feels like the world is upside down? Join hosts Katee Van Horn and Jackye Clayton for another empowering episode of The Inclusive AF Podcast! 🎙️

This week, returning guest Lindiwe Davis (aka The Couch Coach) is back to dish on:
- How to stay the course in your career—even when the path twists and turns
- Setting boundaries to protect your energy (and why that’s 100% OK!)...

🎙️ Welcome to The Inclusive AF Podcast! In this must-listen episode, hosts Jackye Clayton and Katee Van Horn dive into one of the hottest and most pressing topics in HR: AI Bias in Recruiting—especially focusing on the landmark Mobley vs. Workday lawsuit. With over 1.1 BILLION applications potentially impacted, what does this mean for your organization and your hiring practices?

We break down:
- The real risks of bias in AI-powered ATS systems like Workday🧐
- What the Workday lawsuit means for ...

Ready to explore what real inclusion and well-being look like—especially for those doing the heavy lifting on the frontlines of change?

On this episode of the Inclusive AF Podcast, hosts Katee Van Horn and Jackye Clayton are joined by Dr. Rebecca Eldridge, a licensed psychologist with 20+ years of expertise in multicultural issues and organizational well-being. Together, they dig into the often-overlooked toll of fighting for equity (especially for Black and Brown women), intergenerational trau...

🔥 Welcome to Episode 153 of The Inclusive AF Podcast! 🔥

This week, hosts Katee Van Horn and Jackye Clayton dive deep into the truths about undocumented workers in the U.S.—and the myths, misinformation, and politicized narratives surrounding them. Did you know undocumented immigrants contribute nearly

$97 BILLION in taxes

and have

$299 BILLION in spending power

? We break down the real numbers, the industries that rely on immigrant labor, and the ripple effect on our economy if these worker...

🎙️ Welcome to Episode 152 of The Inclusive AF Podcast! 🎙️

In this thought-provoking episode, hosts Jackye Clayton (VP of Talent Acquisition and DEIB) and Katee Van Horn dive deep into the current political climate and its direct impact on diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) initiatives—particularly focusing on law firms' responses to new administrative actions and EEOC investigations.

They break down:
- What recent government actions mean for DEI practitioners and organizations across indus...