Sept. 29, 2023

#60 Adventure, Fitness, Nutrition, and The Fight Against Human Trafficking, with Aaron Asay

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Gentlemen, welcome to the Be the Man podcast.

I'm your host, Greg Denning.

Today, my guest is Aaron Acey, and he and I I met you in Tennessee, but I didn't get to know you until we were on a quick disaster relief trip to Cuba.

Which we I don't know.

0:19

We don't have time for all that.

But for both of us, we've traveled all over.

But for both of us, Cuba was special.

Man, that country is awesome.

Anyways, we got to spend a lot of hours together and got to know each other.

So that's another podcast?

Yeah, exactly.

That's another one for that whole story.

But thanks for being on here, brother.

0:34

I'm I'm super excited to have this conversation and and learn from your experience.

Thank you.

Thanks for having me.

Give us a little bit of your background story, just so we can we can get to know you a little bit, and then we're gonna dive into all kinds.

Of fun topics.

OK, not sure how far back you want me to go, but I'm.

0:55

I'm currently working for an NGO, a non government organization that specializes in disaster recovery and anti human trafficking and I've been with them for almost a year now.

I'm the Chief Medical Officer and the director of Anti Human Trafficking.

I came to this job after being a physician assistant for.

1:17

Most recently, six years running a medical clinic in rural Maui.

And when people hear me say rural Maui, they think, Oh yeah, you're in Hawaii.

There's, you know, it's just like tourists and waterfalls and coconuts and well, we were on a part of the island that is, it takes some stamina to get to because it's a very long, very windy, treacherous Rd.

1:41

Isolated from the rest of the island with a 2 hour trip to the nearest hospital.

So running a clinic out there was was a constant adventure and sometimes tragic.

So I spent the last six years doing that with my family, graduated three of my kids from that little school in that town of about 2000 people.

2:00

So it was a very small town, small school, small, small town life.

But it was old Hawaiian life, so we were very immersed in the the Polynesian culture and now we're missing it a lot because we're not there anymore.

2:17

We've had to relocate to Nashville, TN, which is home now, but we're we're constantly thinking about our our home back there and constantly staying in contact with those friends.

I'm the father of four children.

2:33

I'm married to my lovely wife Amy and she's been my partner crime and my my partner in adventure for 27 years now.

We this year was our 27th anniversary which we're pretty proud of because that's yeah, that is awesome.

2:51

But we're finding out how rare that is because we have so many friends that haven't reached that number and.

Yeah, it's been a amazing journey.

It's been incredible experiences that we've been able to share, which has grown our relationship and allowed us to grow together, you know, as husband and wife, but also as parents.

3:19

We gotta circle back to that because as we get more in your story and all the things you've done and the big adventures and changes in businesses and all that stuff like circling that, we'll circle back to that because 27 years ago because that's huge.

That is huge to stay in that.

It's not like you guys pick one little path and just follow this little path you've you guys know you've lived, man.

3:42

And and to stay with the stability of the marriage in all the changes of life, that's pretty awesome.

It's very.

Either Great.

You're absolutely right.

There's.

When I mentioned 27 years of marriage and people think, wow, that's a long time, but going through my head is 27 years of.

4:02

Some of the.

Incredible highs, some of the deepest lows, some of the most heartbreaking experiences and some of the most amazing things that could ever happen to a person.

And yeah, there's so much that goes into that 27 years.

4:20

You.

Need to write a book, bro.

As I'm saying, I'm just sitting here thinking of what little I know.

I'm like, you got to write a book.

You got you got to capture so many of your stories.

My wife.

Bought me a How to Book just recently.

It's it's entitled.

Just Shut Up and Write the Damn Book.

4:39

I think I just added Damn.

But I think that's even a better title.

But that's how I read it, right?

I'm like, OK, that is awesome.

But yeah, we've in that 27 years, we've had multiple careers.

4:58

I was a firefighter, paramedic for a little while.

We owned a bike shop for a while.

We wait.

We gotta pause there.

Sorry.

We gotta pause there, cuz.

We, while we're in Cuba, realized that when you owned that bike shop, I started doing triathlons.

You and I met at this little triathlon in this little mountain town somewhere.

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And I just, I was.

I just had this this connection and I realized you and I had.

We had crossed paths just for.

This right.

We talked, we talked for a little bit for a few minutes and connected a couple triathlons and then then that was it.

But then to reconnect in Cuba, I I forgot about that right now.

5:37

That's right.

I forgot about that too.

That was at one of the Chris Bowerbank races.

That was up at Was it Pinedale?

Pineview.

Find you Yeah, yeah.

That was so my little bike shop was the designated bike mechanic course mechanic so we would drive around and help fix bikes and and we were there at the finish line and the transition area to help people with with mechanical problems with their bikes and yeah we'd take a little gear to sell and.

6:08

Yeah, it was an amazing time.

I joke about how many years it took off the other end of my life by doing that for 10 years.

But it was a pretty incredible experience to share with, you know, my wife and I.

But yeah, we did that.

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And before that we we worked.

I worked as an EMT and Mountain Safety at Sundance Ski Resort for a number of years.

We were in Utah for a long time.

We were there for about 20 years before we moved to Hawaii.

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So we had a lot of our experiences in that area.

We initially, you know all our kids were born at Utah Valley Regional Medical Center in Provo.

So we've got a 24 year old, a 21 year old, a 19 year old and a 15 year old still at home about to turn 16 this year, so.

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We're almost empty nesters.

We got a few more years to go, but we're both excited and not about being empty nesters.

You know there's our kids are are everything to us.

They're they're our, you know our our number one source of of of joy and inspiration and we just we're so excited for for them launching.

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But at the same time it's hard to see them go.

And you know how that is.

It's same man, our first two.

The next year so quickly and just quick background to like share some of the adventures you've done.

From From dog sledding to You've done some massive ice climbing, rock climbing, you you've done some big adventures.

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Been around the world as well.

Yeah, it's funny, actually.

You know, I've always been.

I've always been a mountain person that was raised in Southern California.

But my father, you know, he was my scout master so and he was always a mountain guy.

8:07

He was actually, he was always an outdoorsman.

So he was kind of your quintessential sort of mountain man, but also Waterman, so that he taught me both to love the ocean and the mountains.

So growing up in Southern California, I spent a lot of time.

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In the Angeles Crest, you know just climbing along that the the, you know the coastal range of mountains and we would go as scouts, but he also as a scout troop.

He got us all certified in scuba diving, and so we spent our summer camps going scuba diving around the Channel Islands and spending a lot of time in the ocean and sailing.

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We had a sailboat when I was a child and so I learned how to sail at a very young age and did that pretty much, you know, all growing up.

But my last, my last two years of high school, we moved away from Southern California to Seattle, WA.

Little town called Redmond, and up there I learned.

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More about the mountains I I became much more of a mountain guy because I learned to ski up there and I learned to to climb initially.

And I had friends that were really into cycling.

So that was actually where I developed my love for Rd. cycling, which ended up coming back years later, coming back around to being something I completely like, dedicated part of my life to it was riding bicycles.

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So just kind of funny in that regard, but.

I When we were in Utah, Amy and I actually met in the mountains, and before we got married, I was very into rock climbing.

9:47

We were living in Provo and that was kind of all I did.

In fact, it was, you know, to the detriment of my schooling and work.

I would go up to the mountains in rock climb almost every day.

So it's kind of a man I spent I.

Was a rocker on the, yeah, mountain bike or rock climbing, you know, harness.

10:04

Yeah, we're skiing.

So I actually got I got kicked out of Rick's college because I never went to school.

I I had a job up at Grand Targie in their ski school.

And yeah, I failed all my classes that second semester during the ski season.

So I I ended up they they told me, hey, if you would like to come back here to go to school, we we recommend you go serve a mission.

10:30

Otherwise, you're not welcome.

OK.

I guess I'm never coming back here because at that time I hadn't planned on, you know, serving a mission and and committing myself in that way to to the gospel like I have.

But yeah, so yeah, skiing and rock climbing and just being outdoors and backpacking and later on the dog sliding thing, which is a whole other.

10:56

That could almost be a whole other podcast in itself, really.

Came about just, you know, because of not just my love for the outdoors, but what became my family's love for the outdoors and being outside and connecting with with our natural environment and with the animals that live there.

11:12

And yeah, it's been it's been a pretty amazing thing.

In fact, one of our sort of routines every year Traditions was for us to go up and climb in the Grand Tetons.

And we would try and get up there at least once every year.

And that started from about the year we got married.

11:28

We tried to get up there and and spend at least a little bit of time up there's that was kind of our recharge place, You know, just just get as as high up and as rugged as you can get.

But let's let's dive in.

Cuz like there's the, there's the you've just been active like really living out and doing things but healthy and fit as well and then go into the medical and then deep into medical, let's go into that for a little bit.

11:55

That was one of the one of the main reasons I want to talk to you is we had some conversations about health and fitness and I wanted to to share some of your your background in that specifically around like food and nutrition and fitness.

Like you, you stayed in fantastic shape and how old are you again brother?

12:14

I just had the 2nd anniversary of my 49th birthday.

Yeah, buddy, that's awesome, OK?

And you're still in fantastic shape where a lot of guys are like, oh, I'm getting older and and just got to let things go.

And they they, you know, lots of excuses or whatever.

Let's just talk.

12:30

Let's talk health, fitness and nutrition.

OK, yeah, fitness has always been something very, very important to me.

I had.

Some health problems.

Throughout my young adulthood, I spent some time with some, what we're supposedly very benign cancers in my nose that ended up being somewhat more severe, and I ended up having to have multiple surgeries and fixing some of the infrastructure that holds my face together.

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And that was kind of scary.

That was when I was in my late 20s.

And then I had a an injury that became a pretty severe back problem.

So I walked with a cane for a number of months bent over.

And that was my sort of introduction to my mortality that I could be disabled.

13:28

In fact, I was told by my orthopedic surgeon at the time, not the one that did my back surgery, but my, the surgeon that I had previously gone to said, you know.

There's a very high likelihood that you will never be able to pick up anything heavier than your infant baby, which was my oldest son at the time, meaning more than, you know, 10 or 15 pounds.

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And he said there's there's there's not a likelihood that you're going to ever get any stronger than that.

So of course I got a new Doctor because I wasn't willing to accept that.

Neither was my wife, and I had dreams at that point to be a fireman.

That was, for me, a really, really big deal.

14:12

Because I mean, I I fast forwarded a number of years in in that story.

But.

I I had at.

That point, we'd already had the bike shop for a while.

It's been a number of years, you know, being very active and trying to be as fit as I can.

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And then that happened.

So it was a pretty scary time.

And I.

Had.

A We found another surgeon.

I was able to get a a surgery that was not experimental, but it was a.

14:51

Sort of a.

Roll of the dice.

Whether or not it was going to be successful, and it took a while about a year afterwards before I was able to to I I wouldn't say be pain free because I've never been pain free my whole life, but.

The to be able to go back to normal activity.

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And The funny thing is, is after the surgery, I trusted the doctor so much and even though I was still in pain and having a hard time like getting my strength and my my fitness and my, my overall, you know, body strength back, I still managed to sneak into a firefighter slot.

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That was recently and I thought it would be disqualifying.

So I hid it from my the from the fire department.

When I first got hired, I didn't tell them that I had just, what was it, nine months earlier?

Had back surgery.

Yeah, that bad disqualifier right away.

So.

Yeah, but somehow I managed to pass the firefighter fitness test and but I was still in the process of gaining my strength back.

15:43

But I had so much trust and faith that I was going to be fine that I didn't, I didn't ever question it, you know, we just went full force forward trying to get this job because I knew I was supposed to be a firefighter.

You know, I put myself through paramedic school.

Well, Amy and I put ourselves through paramedic school specifically to do that.

16:02

And it was actually.

During paramedic school that I had the the injury and and was walking with the cane, it was oh man I've been thinking even going back to that time it's just how hopeless it felt thinking that my body was that broken.

But becoming a fireman, you know I was able to really focus on fitness and over the years of being a fireman I was that was about the time that CrossFit started coming out and gaining popularity and so we really got into exercising that way.

16:29

The.

The bike shop also was kind of a part of our lives at the time and we were spending a lot of time around really good athletes.

I had trained to do an Ironman when I graduated from college a few years prior and I continued trying to keep that sort of fitness level or trying to get it back and then trying to maintain that fitness level of of being able to compete.

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We even did after I became a fireman, we started doing the adventure races.

So we were doing these like three to five day long you know?

24 hours a day adventure races where you could actually be asked to be on like any mode of transportation.

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From walking on your feet, to riding a bike, to kayaking, to carrying your bicycle all strapped down to a canoe you know, across the lake.

Like it was everything you could imagine.

And that was all an attempt for me, an attempt to push myself and prove myself that I was fit enough to to be doing what I was doing.

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I'm also you know, constantly looking for adventures.

So it was also kind of a way to do that of course, but it became a sort of a family thing too.

You know, we got really involved with the endurance sports, the industry at that time.

17:45

You know, I got to meet all these, these these big name athletes and so they were very inspiring to me to.

Try to push myself to be as good as I possibly could.

And you know funny thing going back to what you're talking about nutrition wise, thinking that I would be a better athlete if I changed my nutrition and focused on my diet and there during this time.

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So this was like early 2000s and it was there was a a lot of.

Of.

Well, like it is now, you know there were a lot of differing like we had South Beach Diet and we had the Mediterranean Blue zones was the study came out was was really big that time.

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This was before we found out how much of it was a lie, and so we decided to become vegetarians, and I spent.

We were like 6 years as as vegetarians thinking that we were really doing something right.

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And the really funny thing is that I didn't notice just how bad it was for my health because I was exercising so much.

But looking back on it, I realized it was a constant effort to try and just maintain my muscle mass.

So yeah, I was doing a lot of endurance sports, so I could not put on muscle to save my life.

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I was just this kind of string beam the whole time.

And yeah, it was great for cycling.

But it was not great for what I got into later on, which was like combat sports and stuff.

You know, I I got really into crop.

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I got later on.

That's another story we can talk about later.

But I had basically no armor.

I had no muscle on my body to protect my body.

So if I'd fall off my bike or something, man, I would.

I was hurt and my wife had the same problem and she.

Actually developed really severe anemia and ended up like being a extremely high risk pregnancy during this time and her obstetrician was like.

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You.

Have to start eating meat or you're going to need a blood transfusion.

She just was incredulous.

So here we.

Were just, you know, doing our best, I mean really eating what we thought was very, very clean.

We were juicing.

We were eating tons of leafy greens, mostly kale.

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You know, I remember one day I was funny side note, I was juicing, I was juicing the leafy greens and I was juicing a lot of kale.

And you know how kale and mustard greens kind of look similar?

I had juice like a gallon of mustard green, thinking it was kale.

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And I I.

Was all done.

You know, I had this big old and I went to take this gigantic swig.

I mean, I was gulping it and I realized like halfway through the glass.

That it was mustard.

Green It took me a while to to get over that.

20:51

Yeah, it burned really bad.

But.

So.

Funny thing, I had a friend who was a rancher and he raised the this hybrid cattle called beefalo.

Have you heard of the Beefalo?

It's a it's a Buffalo.

21:08

And a beef.

Cow hybrid.

And it's not 5050.

I don't remember exactly what the ratio is, but you had a whole herd of these these cattle.

They're huge.

They they kind of look like a gigantic cow, you know, super muscular and.

If from a distance, you'll be like is that a Buffalo?

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No, there's no harm, but it's just this big massive cow.

And supposedly you get all the benefits of the Buffalo meat, which is a little bit leaner and a little bit the cholesterol ratios a little bit different, although the risk and and and and.

21:46

Whatnot about cholesterol is kind of arguable at this point.

But it's the same flavor as a beef cow.

So it's not the Buffalo kind of little bit, you know Buffalo if you eat straight Buffalo, it's kind of got that little bit of a gamey taste, whereas the bison and the hybrids don't.

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So he's we're on a father and sons camp out, right.

So I'm out there with my my boys and he brought a whole bunch of ground beefalo and he actually.

Not long after, this opened up a restaurant called Bomb Diggities, which served only beef, a little meat.

22:25

So beef a little burgers, right?

It's, it's.

Not there anymore, unfortunately.

But so he says.

Hey Aaron, I'll make you a deal.

If you'll eat one of my burgers, I promise you we'll stop being vegetarian.

22:41

And I'm like, there's no way and there's no way I'll do it.

And he actually, it was, he had brought this up before because he and I were serving in the Scouts together.

And he a few times had said, hey, you should quit being a vegetarian, you know, come back to real life.

And of course I'm like, oh, yeah, You know, you're just this, you know, you're just a, you know, farm, you know, backwards farm boy.

23:03

You know, what do you know?

You know, it's, I kept telling Doug, no, I'm not going to stop being a vegetarian.

I'm going to keep eating clean and I'm doing the right team.

So we're at this camp and I don't know what got into me.

I'm just like you know what, I'm going to prove him wrong and I'm probably going to be super sick and that's OK He's going to see me vomit violently and the the whole matter will be put to rest.

23:26

So he hands me the burger and I take a bite and and it was like I bit into.

Heaven.

It was so delicious, and all of a sudden my body felt energized from that first bite.

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And I'm sitting there going, I need more like I need I need another bite.

So I I finished the whole burger, and I even had a second one, and after it was over, I was waiting expectantly to be violently ill.

Because that's what everybody says.

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You know, if you're a vegetarian and you eat meat and you're going to throw it all up and it's terrible and it's you don't ever want to do that.

Well, it's all a.

It's not true.

Your body craves me now I know that.

So I waited for the for the, you know, the stomach aches and never came.

24:17

Went to bed, felt fine.

Woke up the next morning and he's cooking up some of the meat as sausage.

You know, for the meal, for the breakfast meal.

And I had eggs and beef aloaf sausage for breakfast that morning.

So that trip was the end of me being a vegetarian.

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I came home and told my wife, I'm like, this is it, We're done.

We are now meat eaters and we started buying meat again.

I didn't know to what degree we needed to actually progress to that then because this was a number of years ago.

I just knew we needed to add meat into our diet.

And we did.

We actually, we, I mean, still ate very clean.

24:57

And we tried to include vegetables as often as possible.

And there were times where I would go whole meals without eating meat, certainly.

But there was meat in our diet pretty much every day and a lot of those little health problems that were nagging us and like her anemia, you know, those things resolved and she started feeling better.

25:15

She stopped being a high risk pregnancy.

Our children were born, no problems.

You know, she solved those anemia problems and probably some vitamin disorders from from her going back to eating meat.

So.

Fast forward now, I'm deployed for COVID back in 2019 and you know we'd always been fairly clean eaters like we'd always tried to eat organic.

25:39

We would try to avoid as much as possible.

The.

Processed foods, but we were using like.

A lot of olive oil and we would use other seed oils just just because not really paying attention if we were eating processed foods, what was in them.

25:58

So I get deployed and the military is providing all of our meals and I was getting these, these meals.

And so we're in Hawaii and I'm getting like these basically Bento boxes, right?

With some meat and and like these.

26:17

This.

Gigantic pile of rice and and some sort of vegetable and.

I was just getting more and more frustrated with these meals because I could tell I I was just feeling terrible.

I was having these really bad, like, arthritic pains in my legs, which I just attributed it to being older, you know, I mean, I've dealt with people in my clinic.

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With the same problems, you know, they get older, they get pain in their legs and their arms and and you just tell them to, you know, it's probably arthritis and you need to exercise more and drink lots of water and you know, take ibuprofen when it hurts really bad, but there's not much you can do about it.

26:59

So I I didn't really believe what I was saying because I thought there had to be a solution, especially as the pain was getting unbearable.

You know, I'd sit down in a chair for a few minutes.

And I would have to stand up and wait a second before I could take steps because it hurts so bad.

27:17

So I knew there was something wrong.

And I started thinking, well, maybe I've got rheumatoid arthritis.

Like I started going down all these different pathways.

You know, neuropathy.

Like there's definitely something going on with me.

And I was talking to a friend who was a cardiologist because I started doing some research and, you know, back in 2019.

27:36

We're now starting to see some of the guys being more outspoken about carnivoreism and carnivore whole food diets.

And that for some reason that like figured something in my head that I needed to pay attention to.

27:54

That I need to look at this.

I need the I need to figure out why these guys can be online saying what they're saying solving my problems.

Because one of the guys, Sean Baker, was specifically talking about how he had been developing some pains in his legs and and being a carnivore for six years helped it.

28:12

And he was in his like early 40s at that time.

And then there was a feather Doc.

Doctor Saladino was talking about really severe skin problems, arthritis, all kinds of things that he had cured with his withgoing animal animal base, full food, so.

I was talking to this cardiologist.

28:27

I'm like, Doc, what do you think?

I mean, we we talk about keto diets and we talk about all these different.

Methods.

To help people lose weight.

And I said from a cardiologist perspective, what what do you really think about nutrition?

28:43

He goes, You know, Aaron?

I have no idea.

Really, I wasn't trained on that in school and I just send them to the nutritionist because I I really, I don't know.

But I can tell you that what we know about cholesterol and what we know about atherosclerotic heart disease and.

29:03

There are tiersclerotic heart disease and what we know about our.

Nutrition's impact on that is is messed up, is wrong, is mistaken, is like we've got there are so many conflicting studies and so many conflicting data sets that it's really hard to say with any certainty what's what's real and what's not right now, he said.

29:28

At the same time, you and I can both agree that the nutrition industry.

Is messed up too.

Like it's it's yeah, it's there's, it's it's a it's business.

And in any business, what drives business?

Not truth but money, what drives business?

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Whatever is going to solve the the, the balance sheet, whatever is going to make that business more successful.

That is what's going to be most important to the business.

And nutrition is just that.

And even our nutrition education industry has become big business.

30:05

So he and I chatted quite a bit because we were running, I'm embarrassed to say we were running the COVID vaccine clinics together in Maui.

And looking back on it now, I'm I'm just, I'm floored at at how we were influenced in such a in such an easy way to be supporting all that happened during that time, even though there were so.

30:29

Many red flags.

And that's another story for another time.

And I'm not saying, you know, I'm I'm antagonistic to vaccine.

But COVID was a mess and I was in the middle of it and at the same time my body felt like it was breaking down.

30:45

So I decided while I was out there, I'm going to do something different.

I'm going to do something drastic.

I'm going to try something that is that seems to be so out there.

That everybody's going to call me crazy and even my family will probably call me crazy.

But I got to try this because I'm.

31:02

I've been living healthy here.

We've been living in rural Maui eating off the land eating local, you know, food, mostly vegetables and fruit but meat and and just whatever, you know.

And yet I'm having these problems.

So I decided I was going to go strict carnivore.

31:21

So I did.

I did it for.

What would you say?

I probably did it for a few months of just being just eating only meat and nothing else.

Wow.

And I never went through.

You know, people talk about, oh, you know, you go through the meat sweats and you get the terrible diarrhea.

31:40

And.

Never happened.

Like I I felt great from day one.

I stopped eating vegetables.

OK, I'm going to get.

A little bit explicit right now I stopped eating vegetables but I'm a medical provider so I can talk about this stuff and and nobody should bat 9 my there in.

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In medicine, when we talk about digestion, we have what's called a Bristol Stool Chart.

And the Bristol Stool Chart is like this chart that has the different types of stool that can come out your butt and land in the toilet from diarrhea.

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To little rocky pellets like what deer leave behind and every variation in between.

And that's something that it's a tool to be used with patients to determine well, what category of stool do you have and what's normal?

And.

Normal, normal poop.

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Should be like formed into like one log, not be sticky, be easy to wipe and in fact.

If you can, wipe and nothing.

Really comes off the paper.

That's probably the healthiest stool you could possibly have.

So what I noticed was all of a sudden the stool changed to the same every day to having more no wipe poops.

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Like you go sit in the toilet and you don't even need the paper.

Like you wipe and you're like, ah, I just wasted some paper because there's nothing there.

And that became more frequent and more normal to to to where Now that's what's normal.

Never had that on a vegetarian diet for sure.

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Gas.

Flatulence farts, which goes along with a vegetarian diet, You just expect that you're going to be farty.

Vegetarians expected that they're going to bloat periodically throughout the day, after each meal that disappears.

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So why?

Taught that That's normal and natural, Yeah.

It's not.

Your body's not supposed to be farty.

Your body is supposed to give off some gas.

But.

Not.

Constantly throughout the day.

And it's not supposed to smell rancid, which is what?

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Happens when.

People eat nothing but vegetables.

Like they they, they.

Ink.

Right.

And they're constantly like, giving off gas.

Like you go to a vegetarian yogurt retreat, dude, you almost can't handle being in the same room.

Because it's just constant.

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Fur.

And it's just the it's so melodious that you just like I got, I got to get out of here.

It's different with a carnivore yoga retreat.

No, I'm kidding.

I've never been on a carnivore yoga retreat, but I bet it would be quite pleasant.

So first of all, the stool changes, the bloating goes away, and then I started questioning, Well, that's weird.

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Shouldn't if I'm eating something that's unhealthy?

Shouldn't those things persist?

Shouldn't I be feeling terrible?

No, I started feeling better.

The pains in my legs were lessening.

They didn't go away, but I was able to stand up and walk without having to wait.

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Till till the blood flow.

Came back until my till the pain kind of subsided and that that has just slowly gotten better.

Until today it's gone.

I don't have that anymore, right?

And while we're not. 100% carnivore anymore.

We are what I call animal based Whole Foods.

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So what I did during that time, and this was what we slowly did as a family, is not only did we eliminate the vegetables, which there is a lot to this and we can unpackage it if you want, but vegetables are toxic and that's not arguable.

Any botanist, any biologist that's worth their salt and biology, will agree that plants have evolutionarily developed.

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Toxins to protect themselves.

We know that.

The question is what is the quantity that's that's actually poisonous to humans?

Well, if you take, if you set that aside for just a decade and look at the other question, what quantity of plants is required to supply the human with a the nutrients that the human needs.

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So if I need all the B vitamins and if I need all the trace minerals and you know everything that comes out of a plant and I need this quantity.

How much of that quantity is required for me to get all the nutrients I need in a given day?

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OK, so now let's take that quantity and compare it to how much is actually poisonous of those plants that you eat.

And we start coming to an interesting conclusion.

You have to eat such massive quantities of plant foods to even give you, Let's just talk B vitamins to even give you sufficient B vitamins to not be deficient.

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Now the toxin is causing you problems, most likely because it's math.

Of math of quantities, in fact you.

Have to eat all day, but what do you get from red meat?

You get your recommended daily allowance in just a single slice of red meat, and you eat a couple meals with that.

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And you're getting every nutrient that the body needs just in that one small meal.

So now all these calories that you would be.

It's hard to interrupt.

It's not the same with white meat, right?

Just because you specifically mentioned red meat and I want to kind of make that point clear.

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It's it's the red meat has that nutrient density.

Yeah, yeah.

White meat doesn't have the nutrient density.

It doesn't have the the enough quantities of fat which the body needs.

The animal fat is a very important source of fuel for our bodies.

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White meat we consider, and I'm talking about chicken especially.

White meat, we consider a junk food, junk meat.

So it's the meat that's that's not ideal, which is to me the junk foods are anything that's not ideal for the body.

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And what is ideal for the human body?

Well, what what's the ideal food for our species.

You can take any species on the planet and and figure out pretty easily what the ideal food is because most the planetary animal, most animals on our planet.

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Have one ideal food source.

In other words, there's very few.

There aren't very many omnivores on the planet, first of all.

But also even omnivores have a there's one type of food that they gravitate towards.

And predominantly that's, that's, you know, 95% of what they eat, but for some reason human hubris.

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Has told us that.

We can eat anything we want and we will thrive.

On.

Whatever we want to eat.

But that doesn't make biological sense, right?

That that that doesn't make evolutionary sense.

We don't just, you don't just evolve to eat everything.

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There have to be something that's ideal.

There has to be for our Organism an ideal source of food.

So now we get into the question of, well, what is that?

Is that ideal source of food vegetarian?

Is it all vegetables?

Is that ideal source of food All meat?

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Well, you can look at the anthropological evidence.

You can compare things like stomach acidity.

You can look at tea.

You can look at how we digest, how we process.

You can look at the fact that we're hunters, how we metabolize, how our energy allows us to gather food, how we are more accustomed.

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Our bodies are more designed to hunt down game and pray than it is to gather wheat in the field.

Things like our stomach acidity, which makes us more like carry on eaters, you know, we're we're scavengers.

Like our stomach acidity is designed to eat stuff that's rancid.

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So.

We don't need that to process vegetables.

We do need that to process rancid meats.

So you know what's the other one?

Our teeth.

Our teeth are designed to to cut.

Our teeth are designed to to grind.

Our teeth are designed to smash.

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And rip apart.

They're not designed to grind fiber.

They just, we know they're not.

You compare them to the fiber grinding animals.

You know your herbivores, they're not the same in any way.

You can't if you bite down, you can't move your teeth side to side.

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But when you watch a cow sit and chew the cud, what do they do?

Right, Our teeth don't do that.

Our teeth go straight up and down.

So what does that do?

Well, it smashes the food into smaller pieces.

And it rips apart the all the little connective tissue.

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So it's for bone and gristle and the the things that are hard to.

To to to rip apart and then digest.

It's not the same with plant fibers like your stems and and leaves and things like that.

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So and you know there's there's a lot more to it definitely and I'm not I would never consider myself an expert in this area.

This is just from things that I've read.

But also more than anything it's my anecdotal evidence using myself, my family.

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I had some patients that came to me on their own wanting to try an animal based whole food diet and I had three patients reverse diabetes and I'm talking going from an A1C, which is how we, you know if somebody has an A1C above above 7, they're diabetic.

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And these guys had a 1 C's in the range of like 13 to 14, extremely diabetic and over the course of half a year reversed it to where their A1 C's are below 5.

Like, how do you argue with that?

From eating nothing but meat and occasionally some fruit, which is you're if you're diabetic, you're not even supposed to eat fruit.

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But yeah, because they're eating predominantly neat and their bodies are healing, they can eat fruit sugars just fine and it doesn't spike their blood sugar anymore.

So anecdotal evidence that I've come across and you?

I gotta jump in there because I don't want, I don't want the significance of what you just said to like just kind of flow past that is huge.

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Those patients were diabetic.

I mean, they were in a very unhealthy state, Not just diabetic, but dying of diabetes slowly, dying of diabetes slowly.

Diabetes.

It was in a bad condition and it wasn't years.

It was in less than a year.

They're back into a much healthier state.

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That is massive.

And changing their bodies from being morbidly obese to by the time they were no longer my patients once I finally left, they were already moving out of the obesity category, reducing their weight down into a normal overweight category.

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And I've lost contact with them, but hopefully they're down, down, even lower.

And then there was one other one who I know for a fact she, she and I were very close because we work together.

She did the same thing.

So actually there's there was a fourth one that I that I have neglected to include in my in my anecdotal study.

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And she actually did it in less time, two months and she had reversed her.

It was a new diagnosis of diabetes, and in two months she had reversed it.

And she's still.

Normal.

Yeah, it's it's amazing.

So here's, here's what and this is what I told them and this is how this, this whole thing works, is OK.

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I'm not saying that you have to be a carnivore.

I'm not saying you have to stop eating everything that you love to eat and and just eat meat.

Not everybody wants to do that.

Not everybody probably can do that.

Plus, of the 7 billion people on the planet, there's 7 billion different attitudes towards food and food sources and what's available.

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And you know, there's so many barriers.

So I just use some very basic, very simple rules.

Have red meat be the focus of your diet at each meal and what you'll find is you actually eat less.

You end up not feeling like eating three meals a day.

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You'll probably eat closer to 2 and maybe snacking.

So having red meat be the focus of your day, just eliminate vegetables because who has ever gotten, you know, mouth watering over a bowl of leaves?

Nobody.

You mouth water over.

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Everything else gets thrown on top of it, right?

The candied pecans and the dressings and the oils.

And so, I mean, you could get rid of the leaves and put a bowl of that together and now look at what you're eating.

And most people look at that.

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Look at that and be like, yeah, you're right, that doesn't look very healthy.

But that's what we're salivating over.

So stop eating the leaves, because nobody likes eating leaves and start focusing on the foods that were actually designed by God to be for consumption.

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That's the fruits.

If you're eating sufficient quantities of meat, protein, and fat, your body's naturally gonna limit the amount of carbohydrates and sugars.

Well, there are sugars, but the amount of carbohydrates that your body craves and so you end up eating your body naturally will limit how much fruit you consume.

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Plus, if you're eating the whole fruit, you're getting, you're getting water, you're getting vitamins, you're getting the the fiber that comes with the fruit.

That is a filler which the body doesn't process, which some would argue, well, then you don't even need it.

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Which is true, but for people who can't get over the fact that we don't actually need to consume fiber.

Fruit's a great way to consume your fiber if you feel like you need it.

Plus, if you do have some digestive issues, consuming a little bit of fruit fiber is fine.

It's not the same with juicing though.

If you take that fruit and you run it through a juicer, now you're only getting the sugar.

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You're not getting that slow absorption out of the fiber from the processing and so yes, then you can start having problems in your body.

So it has to be whole fruits and then eliminating everything else that has multiple ingredients.

So what I do is I look at all my foods and I try to consume foods that one.

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The ingredients list is only one, so that eliminates most packaged foods, right?

And if I can look at the ingredients list and I recognize what it is like.

For example, if the ingredients list says what would be a good example of like A2 ingredient food?

45:59

Yeah, like for example, they've got these carnivore bars, right?

They've they just got meat.

So it says it says beef, it also says tallow, and it also says honey and it says salt.

I know what those are.

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There's no other ingredients in that food.

And I could consume each one of those by themselves and it would be a meal.

They've just combined those together to make it something that's kind of palatable, right?

So that's why the carnival bars and those, those types of foods to me are fine, but it's really a whole food snack, right?

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It's just combining those foods together.

So if you look at an ingredients list and you see things that you don't recognize or that you can't understand or that look like they came out of a laboratory, then you shouldn't be consuming it.

Because what's in it is a bunch of stuff that your body probably finds toxic or at least feels like it needs to defend itself against, or just plain doesn't need to be there because it's there as a preservative.

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And we don't need to consume those things either.

So, So what do we consume then?

Many of these.

Things like they came from a warehouse or a lab, like you're saying.

Yeah.

So what we're saying is as human beings we're saying, well God, you know, you kind of did OK, but we can do better.

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That's what the scientist in the lab is saying about the food.

That's what the whole nutrition industry is saying.

Yeah, you did OK making meat, but we can make meat out of vegetables and make it better for a human being.

So we're going to do that instead.

That's Beyond meat.

Like it, It just it boggles my mind.

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If you're if you're a a God fearing Christian and you think that this lab grown meat and these processed foods are better for us, then raising a cow in your backyard and growing some fruit in your on your property and going hunting and bringing home some venison is worse than that.

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Then you're crazy.

You're not, you're not thinking straight right?

God did a great job on this planet.

In fact I would say he did it perfectly.

So shouldn't we be looking at our nutrition sources like that as well?

Like maybe he's already created the perfect thing for us.

Maybe he's already designed exactly what our bodies need and we just need to go back to finding it.

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We know you cannot survive on a whole, a whole, a plant based whole food diet if you're only eating plants.

I mean, we just had this this lady, she was the the vegan just die right from malnutrition because she was only consuming plants.

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Happens all the time.

She wouldn't.

And here's the problem.

She wouldn't consume any supplements.

So what do vegans have to do?

And This is why Whole Foods and and.

These these health food stores are in business because vegans and vegetarians have to consume lab made supplements.

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They can't survive without them.

They have to go buy these bottles of things and they have to take a bunch of pills every day that are their vitamins and their minerals, their supplements.

But that makes no sense that that we would need.

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That to be our optimal, to have optimal health, why would God create everything that He created so that we could end?

Up having to go buy supplements at a store like that makes no sense.

And you know, people, when people say, well, yeah, but if we go back to how people live 10,000 years ago, you know, then our life expectancy goes down to like 35.

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The problem is, is they mistake that data for for actual health data.

That data only reflects the fact that people died from disease and trauma, people desired died from infections, from traumatic accidents and injuries quickly.

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They didn't.

They didn't wait around for years with ill health.

If you had poor health from whatever, from an injury or if you developed a a problem like say your pancreas didn't function and you had type one diabetes, you didn't live very long because we didn't have the medicine to keep you living long.

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So you died very young, but healthy.

People living on the normal diet back then, which was what our hunter gatherer ancestors lived off of, which was animal based whole food.

They lived to be 8090 years old.

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We know that.

We have the anthropological data to show it.

So how can we not take that evidence and bring it forward to now and say here we are in modern with with all of our modern technology.

But we should still be eating the ideal diet for the human Organism, which is focusing on keeping our environment clean by raising our cattle appropriately, but still eating meat by managing our wild game better so that it's available to everybody.

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The the new sort of effort, the push for regenerative farming.

Is what they used to do back then regenerative farming was how farming came into to the modern age.

We've just, we've gone and changed it because of industry.

But if we could go back to regenerative farming now, we're also building the environment.

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We're building a healthy place to live at the same time as creating our food.

Source which is ideal.

Love it and awesome I It reminds me, I've read one of the when I really got introduced to this idea, it was just randomly by reading a phenomenal biography on China's continent and and the Mongols and the way they ate.

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And and man they had so much strength and so much the biographer he he wasn't making a point about nutrition.

He's making a point he's like how they he's like how are these guys able to travel for weeks and just annihilate other nations and then just keep going.

The Stanley, the strength, all that and he's like it was because of what they ate and he just simply talked about their teeth, how they all have healthy, strong teeth and just we're following.

52:11

And jaws.

Yeah, they're jaws.

Exactly.

All but.

And then the other countries went in there, missing all their teeth.

They're weak and depleted.

They didn't have stamina.

They couldn't, they couldn't even resist it.

And I was like, what?

What is going on here?

And it was the introduction for this this whole idea.

So it sounds.

Like we, our family eats very similar to your to your family but it's like just if we were to give a quick list here, Grass fed beets.

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Grass fed meat where you can find it Beef, specifically grass fed butters.

Right.

Free range or pasture raised eggs.

You do the eggs as well.

Yep.

And then we, you know we do the the grass fed milk as well as if you can can can you get raw milk where you're at.

52:57

Yep.

Yeah, raw milk.

So raw milk is a is the elixir of life.

Like, I don't know if you had this experience, but I can tell, Like drinking raw milk, you can tell there's something about it.

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There's energy there, there's life in raw milk, and you can give raw milk to newborns.

Like, raw milk is the absolute best food that you can possibly consume as a developing child.

But yet for some reason in this country we've made it illegal to even share it.

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It makes no sense.

And there's and it's a lot of it's fear mongering, right, because we've said, well, it's because of salmonella and you know you're gonna you're gonna spread disease.

But when it's taken care of, like it's supposed to be, that risk is, is nonexistent.

We do the same thing with cheese.

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I love cheese.

I love my, like, our favorite meal is Raw Milk Gruguerre, which you can get from Costco, which unfortunately you don't have in Portugal.

But yeah, I'm sure you can probably get better cheese than we can here.

And grapes, like, that's one of my favorite snacks, right?

The Raw milk, Gruguerre and grapes.

But no, we, we do most of the dairy and we've eliminated all of the not just leafy greens but also nuts and seeds.

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So I don't consume anything that's that comes from a seed and that kind of goes back to, if you look at your plant foods, like we talked about plant toxin and we know that the the leaves have toxins in them, so why consume them.

But the rest of the plant has toxins too.

Your stems have toxins, but there's one part of the plant that actually has a very, very high concentration of toxin and that's the plant babies, that's the seeds.

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So when the seed is born, it usually comes out in the middle encased in fruit.

So that's why fruit's okay to eat, because fruit was designed to be consumed, it was designed to actually turn into the the, the growth medium for these little seeds.

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And then of course the nuts, they come out with the hard shells so that you can't eat them anyway.

So we've got good evidence of why.

But also we know from just measurements in labs that there's high concentration of toxin in the seeds, so there's no reason to eat them.

There's there's nothing inherently healthy about it that you can't get from other foods.

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So therefore seed oils.

So anything that's made from from a seed.

So that's every so all of your processed foods.

If you just read the list of ingredients, you're gonna find multiple variants of oil, but you can even go to a lot of the foods that we might eat, like for example, some of your jerkies.

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Your.

Your foods that that might like, say for example, you've decided it's OK to eat maybe a little bit of potato here and there, which, I mean, I won't argue with that.

My own ancestors survived for a long, long time on potatoes right, in Ireland.

So you're you can survive.

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And if somebody really, really loves potatoes, my wife is one of them.

But you go to the store to get some, like potato chips and it says, like organic potatoes, they're baked, you know, and it's like, OK, great, these are just potatoes and they're baked then maybe with some salt.

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But you turn over and look at the ingredients list and the first thing is sunflower oil.

You know, they're they're they're they're marinated and sunflower oil and then baked with that on them.

So all the toxins have been added back in, in addition to what's in the potato.

Now you've added a bunch of seed toxins to it.

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So you have to be really careful when you're trying to decide if a packaged food is actually worth eating or safety, yeah.

And.

I can and I'm I'm I'm run on with with everything you're saying there.

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I love it and I and I know people are wondering like OK what do I eat then if it if it's narrowed down if it's so narrow is this I'm going to be.

I think they're afraid that it's just going to be nasty and get old.

We have.

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We've come up with our strategy around that, but I'm curious to what you guys do or you just eat the same few things every day.

I love it because it's so simple, like I'm I'm not one that needs variety.

I'm totally fine with having a steak and with some salt and some butter on it every day.

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And for me, it's just simple.

And then occasionally I throw in some fruit when I feel like it.

Amy's a little bit different.

She needs some variety.

She likes to have the different flavors.

And actually, really all of my kids are like that.

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They like to have the the kind of concoction.

So like my boys, they've figured out how to add some things in that are the least toxic.

Like my son Noah will throw in some herbs on his, you know, on his steak, and he'll just add some of those flavors because he's one.

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He knows how but he also is recognizing hey, if I if I'm only using it as a garnish and the the toxin and the poison that are found in these foods is minimal.

So it's not going to affect me if everything else I'm doing is right.

So the the point is, is you always whenever you're going to sit down to a meal start with what's good and then think to yourself is there something better and then think to yourself what's the best thing that I could be eating right now.

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So if you're if most of your life is eating good things, is following the principles of of good nutrition like we're talking about, then you can decide, well, am I okay with good or do I want to do better?

Well, I'm going to simplify my diet a little bit so that I can be better.

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I'm going to cut these foods out and I'm going to, I'm going to have a diet that's more similar every day.

What's best?

Some would argue that the best thing is to eat meat and drink water and only use salt every day.

Like Anthony Chafee who's a former Rugby World class rugby player.

58:58

I don't know if you've seen him online but he's a hard at Carnivore and he's actually the one who taught Jordan Peterson about carnivoreism and and help them with their health problems.

So you know, you know how Jordan Peterson and Kayla and.

His daughter changed everything.

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It changed her life.

And it's the same for.

A lot.

A lot of people who've done this and taken this journey so there is happiness in simple diets.

The the the human body doesn't need the variety.

It's our it's our nature.

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I guess you kind of say it's that.

It's that natural man need.

It's also kind of a cultural need because we like to sit down and make food sort of a centerpiece of the gathering.

So we have this need to create variety and color and all this stuff only because it appeals to other senses, not because our body needs it.

59:54

So, and that's fine.

That's not to say that you shouldn't do it.

That's not to say that you shouldn't go ahead and add color and maybe add a little variety.

Just don't do it every meal and maybe don't do it every day.

Simplify your diet and there's actually.

For me, it was hard at first because it it was, it felt a little boring.

1:00:12

But I very quickly attuned myself to the boring, to being normal, to where for me, I don't, I don't need all that variety anymore.

It was liberating for me to go to simplicity.

And that's exactly.

I mean, we're talking about our trip to Cuba.

Marco has had the exact same experience, and those of you don't know him.

1:00:30

But Marco was our our, the third person that was on our trip to.

To to Cuba.

He's a coworker of mine, very talented media filmmaker.

And Marco decided to try the carnivore diet after we we discussed it and he's had.

1:00:48

He's basically gone through the exact same journey I did.

He's just a few years later, right?

And he's had the exact same experience.

And now he and I are like sharing ideas of how we can travel, how we can be mobile, how we can be sort of this semi nomadic lifestyle where we're having to go lots of different places and and eat whatever's available to us and yet still maintain this animal based whole food natural, you know, more natural diet.

1:01:17

And that we we come up with some some pretty unique fun things every once in a while.

But yeah, for the most part, we've been able to do that even with all the touring and traveling that we do.

And if you can, if you can travel extensively and even be in an austere environments and still maintain for the most part.

1:01:34

Those kind of diets, and it's totally possible.

Just take some creativity and we well, and on top of that, you can't.

If you're doing it at home when you travel and you're not able to consume those foods regularly, your body tolerates it better.

You can actually go longer without needing to get back to your normal routine diet than if you weren't.

1:01:55

Your body tolerates being out of its place, out of its normal setting, a little bit better.

And we've, we've had the, the, I guess the, the blessing and the advantage of traveling so much and coming across all kinds of of different ways to prepare these foods.

1:02:14

So with healthy ingredients, no toxins, no nothing.

In fact, I was in two weeks ago, I was in Lisbon and we went to this fancy steak restaurant and they brought out this meal and we were all just salvating, just falling out of our chairs.

And I'm like, what is in this?

And he came out and gave me the recipe.

He told me I'd do it and nothing.

1:02:30

No, that finally is a damn like, OK, there's just, it's just a different way to prepare it.

Yeah, these French books, same thing.

It prepares.

You're just looking at these different places around the world And bone broth.

Bone broth is one of them that's been in all these different foods and and regions and countries around the world where like OK we're bringing this and we're adding it to this.

1:02:48

I'm actually, I'm glad you brought that up Greg, because we were, we were actually exposed to the idea of the ketogenic type of fueling.

And I say ketogenic because it's very, very low carbohydrate.

This way of eating we we you just your body just doesn't consume the carbohydrates that we think it needs, which is the big a big problem why we have so many health problems nowadays.

1:03:12

It's just overconsumption of carbohydrates.

But my son develops epilepsy when he was.

Was. 9/10.

It was 10 like between 10:00 and 11:00 and he started having seizures up to 20 + a day and we I say we but really this was this was my wife that did everything and took him to all his appointments and figured out how to how to help him.

1:03:42

And at one point there was just all the treatments had failed.

All the medications had failed.

We just, we were kind of at the end of of being able to treat him and his neurologist said, look, there's one more thing that you can do.

1:03:58

You can try a keto diet.

You can get rid of all of the the sugars and carbohydrates and have him be purely ketotic, which means he only consumes fat and even very little protein.

It's it's it's a fat based diet.

The reason being is our bodies actually consume quite easily fat.

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It's the it's the prime source of fuel, and if our bodies were adjusted to it, it's a limitless fuel supply almost.

So her being who she is and had had gained the trust of his doctor, typically they put kids in the hospital to put them through this diet.

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So they live in the hospital for months as their as their going through ketosis trying to get the brain to stop overreacting.

So there's a lot of lessons there.

You know why For one, why would a treatment be ketotic for the brain, right.

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But.

We saw his his seizures go down significantly during the time that he was on the on the diet.

So many improvements.

We tried as a family to do it but it was really difficult because he had to be like really etotic meals.

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So it was it was very simplified but it was a lot of bone broth and she was making grown bone broth every day on the stovetop.

Our house smelt terrible, but that was one of the staples of his of his diet was drinking bone broth every single day like that he was constantly drinking bone broth and and these distillations of meat basically.

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So the ending of this story is not that he was cured though by the keto diet.

It only had a moderate effect at reducing and partly the reason was because it's a very hard diet to stay on to only only consume pure fat.

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And we ended up having to try and find another treatment for him.

But through the the grace of Heavenly Father, you know, intervening, we were actually able to find a treatment for him.

They they filled it.

That worked.

Finally, just before putting him under the surgeon's knife, which was the next option, my son actually said, and I and I think everything combined together just made him, you know, attuned to that spirit.

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He said, you know what, I I really feel like we should try one more before I go have my head cut open.

And that one more was actually the solution.

And he's been seizure free since then.

So I only share that because we use, we use this type of dietary approach when we're trying to to heal patients, but we think it's an extreme measure, right, because exactly that's exactly the point I wanted to make with it.

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Why aren't we doing these things first?

They don't even offer this type of nutrition in the hospitals like you go in there and it's purely junk food like that.

That's all that's available to you.

But yet this is the underlying cause of so much of our disease.

Why is it not the first thing that we're doing to see if it works?

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It just it it doesn't make any sense to me anymore.

Exactly.

Oh man, and we've even seen it a lot in direct correlation or even causation, sometimes with even mental and emotional self.

It's just, oh, absolutely.

In fact, the gaps.

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The book Gut and Psychology Syndrome specifically talks to that of how reducing carbohydrates and sugar and especially processed foods actually not only does it heal digestive disorders, which is a huge percentage of of all the ailments, not to mention you know we've got increasing rates of colon cancer and blah blah blah, but also all these psychiatric disorders, these mental health.

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Disorders that we're trying to treat unsuccessfully or only mildly successfully with drugs and yet by changing diet we're having incredible results.

But do those do those get promoted?

No, because they're not part of the Pharmaceutical industry.

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OK, let's let's totally shift gears that way.

I wanna go into.

I wanna go.

That was awesome.

That was exactly what I'm talking about.

We started on that in in Cuba.

I'm like, I gotta share some of that stuff.

So let's shift gears now and and again, the reason we're eating well, the reason we're exercising, the reason we're taking care of ourselves.

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And I know you're like this because I I know the caliber man you are so that we can be assets to humanity.

We're here to help.

I I I know for me that that is the chassis on which I'm building my entire life.

I wanna I don't wanna be a liability.

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I wanna have something to offer.

I don't wanna have to have people take care of me.

And so I'm Me too.

Staying fit.

I'm eating well.

I'm learning.

I'm growing and and this is you you do full time now and have for a lot of years you're you're helping people.

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Let's talk about disaster relief.

And anti human trafficking, OK, anything specific that you want to?

Well why don't you share maybe some stories or or why let's let's do with anti human trafficking why did you maybe how why you got into that and and where it's going and and I know it's it's it's being talked about a lot right now because of the sound of freedom but has it released there yet?

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No, in Europe, it's coming.

Is it?

I haven't seen.

Yeah, you're probably gonna, it's probably gonna be released this fall.

So you you guys should be able to see it pretty soon.

I just, I just wrote an article for the World Extreme Medicine blog and it's specifically about that sort of calling out the medical industry for not taking more of an A approach to you know stop this in the on the medical side because you know everybody interacts with healthcare at some point.

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So why aren't we making huge efforts in the healthcare industry to recognize it and get educated on it.

So I kind of called out the healthcare industry in this little article for that reason.

It's going to coincide with the release hopefully within the next month or two of Sound of Freedom nearby.

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So you guys are going to hopefully get to see you haven't seen it yet, right?

It's an incredible movie there.

Some of the stories that are in that movie.

I was actually around 4:00.

I can attest to the validity of the veracity, I should say, of much of what the movie portrays.

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There's a lot of controversy right now because it's a Hollywood movie.

And in addition to some of the truthfulness in the movie, there was also some creative license taken by Hollywood.

And there's some things that happened in the movie that didn't happen, but they're based on real events and they're also sort of taken out of timeline context.

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So some of the things that happened in the movie didn't happen when they happened.

They were sort of conglomerations of things that happened in another time, but brought into the movie to share a better story.

It wasn't ever meant to be a documentary.

The Sound of freedom was always meant to be like the anti human trafficking Indiana Jones movie, which which it beat out Indiana Jones in the box office opening weekend, which was pretty awesome, but that's what it was meant to be.

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It was meant to be that and I feel like it's accomplishing that goal and I love it because that's Tim was my mentor.

I started my work in anti human trafficking because I met Tim and my wife and I became friends with their family.

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They were actually our neighbors in Utah.

Tim moved to Utah in 2012 I believe and moved into our neighborhood and our children became friends and we were going to church in the same Chapel, so his ward met right after hours and.

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We would see each other in the hallway and passing and I had actually and I I had to remind Tim of this actually recently because I gave him some advice as a friend.

I'm like Tim, just don't forget that I knew you long before Operation Underground Railroad and your anti human trafficking efforts in this regard.

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I knew you as an author and I've I've cherished your friendship as as an, you know, as an author and for the knowledge that you've got in your brain regarding our founding fathers and how close you are to the spirit.

Because of that reason, most people don't know this.

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But Tim has written a number of books.

The first one was called The American Covenant.

It's a phenomenal book.

It's a it's his theoretical approach of why this government, why the United States of America and our Constitution even exists.

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And he goes through all of the evidence that are found in both Scripture and what we have historically to sort of make a case for the fact that the United States is a chosen people that were designated to be a bastion of freedom and to be a location where all human beings could go to find that as long as we are a Christian serving nation and that is the same promise or the same covenant.

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You could say that Abraham made with God, that his descendants would be followers of God, and that they would worship him always, and that that posterity will always do that.

Well, we've made that same promise with our Constitution.

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So this country is to be a nation of freedom, is to be a nation of liberty.

As long as we will be a Christian nation.

As long as we will support, you know, Christ and prayer and godliness and all the things that we profess to believe.

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All the things that we we talk about.

You know, we raise our hand and and cover our hearts and say the Pledge of Allegiance and when we start meetings in Congress and the Senate and all those things that we've been doing since the beginning of our nation.

But he also wrote about.

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There, real quick.

I just finished reading.

My wife did too, and my daughter and my son's working on it.

It's a new book by Eric Metaxas and it's called A Letter to the A Letter to the American Church and And he's.

Like he literally outlines what you just said.

It's phenomenal book and he's just, he's just calling out saying look, are we going to stand up for what we believe in?

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Are we going to be true to truth?

Are we going to defend it?

Right.

And that's a good question because right now, if you look at the media, we're not how many of us are silent?

I was, I was reading somebody, I can't remember who.

1:15:21

It was posted on social media, he says.

Oh, is that Zubi?

You know that guy?

He's a social media influencer guy, but he says, you know, I receive Dms all the time that say, hey Zubi, he's a he's a conservative and he says, you know, I I agree with everything you're saying you're on, you're absolutely on the right track.

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We need more people saying this.

I just wish I could say so publicly, but I don't want to get cancelled.

And what does that say?

Because that is, I think most people right now, they're not standing up and saying or or standing firm in their beliefs by saying yes, I agree with that or no, I disagree with that.

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And you shouldn't be doing that.

There aren't enough people saying that.

And so the problem right now is we've got this silent, apparently majority not saying anything.

So the loud minority, that's really going contradictory to what most of us believe appears to be winning, or at least they're gaining power, they're gaining followers.

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And I think that's that's sort of like Satan's plan, right?

If he can turn the good things to bad and make the bad things seem seem good, or at least get people just not pay attention to them, then he starts to win.

And that's where we are in this country right now even.

1:16:47

From just a purely purely social and civilization standpoint.

All you got to do is read a little history to see that when societies and civilizations start deteriorating in some of these habit patterns and and and structures and these kind of problems, it's just it never ends well.

1:17:07

It never ends well.

And that's the problem though, right?

We're not teaching history anymore.

Kids are not learning the the fall of nations in school anymore.

How many kids know about the fall of the Roman Empire?

How many kids know about the fall of Babylon?

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How many kids could even tell you what it what it is, what they're talking about Or what was the cause of the the descent of the the Greek nation?

You know why did Why did all these very progressive, very technologically advanced nations who existed for millennia, in some cases just disappeared?

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We have good evidence of why, but we're not teaching it anymore.

You know, going back to history.

When I met Tim, I met him at a book.

He was he was giving a presentation about one of his books.

He was talking about the the Lincoln Hypothesis was the book that he wrote.

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But he was talking about how these miracles that happened during the Civil War and leading up to the Civil War that allowed for the Emancipation Proclamation, allowed for.

Basically, his hypothesis was that this was our country's baptism by fire, that this was our payment, the deadliest war in all of history.

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That this was our payment and blood for the sins of this nation.

Slavery, which is Satan's plan.

Slavery is Satan's plan, right?

That we paid that price with the Civil War and when it ended and we enacted the Emancipation Proclamation, freed and made illegal slavery in this country, that that was the beginning of our nation's healing.

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And he told the story of one of the miracles.

Specifically, it was.

I don't know if you remember this one but it was the lost orders of General Lee that were wrapped around the cigar case and were found at Monocacy Battlefield in Maryland.

I was out there training with the military and I had I had read part of the book.

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I hadn't finished it yet but I was out doing some training.

I was, I was staying in Frederick, MD.

And I would every day I would go out for a run.

And this one day I went for a run and I see off in the distance this field and there's a little barn.

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I'm like, wow, that's really picturesque.

That's really cool.

So something drew me to it.

So I ran over there and I ran around the field and I saw the barn and and and I remember running down into this Grove of trees that was right next to a river and there was a big train trestle bridge right next to it.

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And I had this feeling of, wow, this is, this is beautiful.

It's very picturesque.

It's very comfortable that something happened here.

I don't know what I don't.

Even know where I am.

But this, there's something about this place that's touching me right now.

I can just feel it.

And I stopped for a second and I walked around and I touched a couple trees and I just, it was overwhelming.

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Like, like I wanted to cry, right?

And and I started running again around the field and I'm like, I got to figure out what, you know, what this place is.

And so I ran over to the barn.

To see if I could figure out where I was.

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And it turns out the barn was actually a museum.

It was closed at the time because this was after hours, but it was a museum and there was a little sign that said Monocacy Battlefield and there was a little brochure in this little flip top.

Little.

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Stand next to the door.

And so I pulled one out and I put it in my pocket and I kind of peeked in.

And there all this.

Civil War memorabilia, and you know, it wasn't a big barn, but so it wasn't much in there.

But there was like a cannon and some muskets and the uniform and a case, you know, that kind of thing.

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And I ran back to my room and I was supposed to go meet my companions for dinner, and I'm about to take a shower.

And I sat down on my bed and I started reading this little brochure, and it was a map of the battlefield.

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And if you know Civil War history, then you would recognize as soon as I said Monocacy Battlefield, because you know that this was where the Union army had retreated.

And.

As they retreated across the river, 6 shark shooters were chosen amongst the amongst the soldiers to stand behind trees on the enemy side of the river and hold off the army until the rest of the army could cross the river.

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And then burn the bridge.

So I was standing.

In the spot where those sharpshooters were on a suicide mission to save the Union army, and they all died, of course, but they held off the Confederate army until they were able to cross the river.

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What's significant about that is, history tells us, had they not escaped?

Where they were at that time in the war.

The Confederate.

Army could have decimated the Union army and had a direct shot to March on Washington DC.

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So had the Union army not escaped that would have been the end of the war and the South would have won.

But something else happened there that was really significant.

It was where right prior to this the.

This was when the the locked orders of General Lee were discovered and they were wrapped around at cigar case and what's significant about that is they didn't know if they were authentic or not.

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But the General Lee's aide, his his secretary was best friends with with the the the union general secretary and.

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As they were reading the orders, they were trying to decide if they were authentic or not.

And I'm totally messing up the story because I'm, I'm trying to hurry through it for you.

But they went the these two soldiers, these two secretaries were best friends.

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They went to West Point together and he was able to confirm.

He said, I know my friend as well as I know anybody as well as I know my own brother, because he is.

Those orders are authentic.

They were the marching orders of the Confederate army.

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And so the Union army was able to redirect and head off the Confederate army before they marched on Washington DC at full strength because they hadn't lost any but the six sharpshooters.

So they were able to and then defeat them at Gettysburg.

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So.

That's what happened at Monocracy Battlefield, and I felt that while I was there.

I was attuned enough to recognize something historical and something heavenly happened in that place to set off events that changed the course of history, that that changed what could have happened to this nation, right?

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So then I go home like I I fly home a few days later and I meet my wife.

At this, Tim was doing these book presentations.

At this time he was trying to sell the Lincoln Hypothesis book and he he had a little screen up and he was showing a kind of a slideshow.

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And my wife was sitting in the in the in the front row, I think where you and I I walk in and I look up and on the screen is a picture of Monocacy Battlefield.

With a little.

Haze drifting over the the grass.

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And this tiny little farmhouse off in the.

Distance and I sat.

Down I looked up and I saw this and I like like.

Instantly I had this like.

Full.

Flashback of just being there a few days earlier and I even told my wife I was just there, Oh my gosh, I've got to tell you the story about what just happened.

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Of course Tim was sharing his story, so but I couldn't tell her right then.

But I was able to tell her later.

And that was really like my introduction to OK.

This guy is inspired like he's he's listening to the spirit when he writes these.

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He's he's really.

Trying to find out what real history is and give us another option, Another way to think about these things that have happened in the past and are are setting ourselves up for for the future.

And we can listen to these lessons or we can disregard them.

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It's up to us.

But the question is, are we if we're going to listen?

Are we listening with our human ears?

Are we trying to listen with these spiritual ears that will tell us, like when I was standing on that little growth and I knew there was something significant there, That bridge was new.

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The bridge that they crossed, burned, and those six structures died because they have no way of getting across the river.

But the feeling in that spirit of what happened in that place was still there in that growth.

How?

How 2?

100 years later.

Is that possible?

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Except that God recognizes that important events in history need to be passed on.

And so that spirit is going to tell us when something is important to us.

He knew I needed to know that story.

And so he made sure that I found a way to figure out that historical perspective.

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And I I can tell you how many times I've told that story and I cry every time because it impacted.

Me that much?

Because I learned not just history, but I learned how it affects me.

And I learned how.

I can guide my life to be better because of the lessons that I'm learning from the sacrifices made so many years ago.

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So.

Sharing this through making this connection yeah help.

But think like the the slavery that happened that long ago is is a dark is a dark time and and not a good thing right in in our history and yet today.

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Americans are the top consumers in the sex trafficking.

Yeah, it's almost like we don't.

Like we're not.

We're not making good choices again.

Exactly.

I don't think we've made the our, you know, modern America has not made the connection that all we're doing is propagating the same slavery that we already made the blood sacrifice to eliminate.

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Americans have already paid the price.

We've already made the choice, and as a nation we fought and died so that that wouldn't continue.

And yet here we are.

Somehow history has twisted all those lessons to to one make it hidden so most Americans aren't even thinking about it.

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And those that do get exposed to the fact that slavery still exists think it is.

It's something different when it's not.

You know, it wasn't just the transatlantic slave trade that we were trying to eliminate.

Slavery was rampant all throughout the world.

We were, we were trying to, to make an example, a place where where the rest of the world could see and could go to to find freedom.

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So all it did, though, was making it illegal made it that black.

Market underground secret trade and that's just persisted throughout throughout the generations since then And what we're seeing now is the industry is actually bigger than it ever was during the transatlantic slave trade.

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You know that was a 400 year industry where where slaves were transported throughout all these nations across the Atlantic and across the Mediterranean and.

And they estimate there was anywhere between 11 and 17 million people transported across the Atlantic to the Americas.

1:29:31

And not just not just the United States.

In fact, very few of them came to the United States.

In comparison, most of them went to the nations of the Caribbean.

That's why we have.

What?

We have in places like Haiti and Dominican Republic that's that's that's you know if you look from the historical standpoint that's really why the Caribbeans ended up being populated the way it is and and yet.

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We have, we have.

Now between 30 and 50 million people enslaved in in the world and those numbers you know they that's today.

Yeah, in in various forms of slavery and of course, you know people like to bring up the worst what we would we consider to be the worst sex, sex trafficking of children but 2 million of them are are children in that trade but.

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If you take all of the trades.

They.

Estimate, but the estimate varies widely.

You know there's a big difference between 30 and 50 million, but when you talk to experts that are that are actually looking at the data from all the different sources, they all agree that these estimates are probably grossly underestimated.

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That 50.

Million is probably the low number at the least.

So you look at it in those terms and you think about, OK, well, what are they enslaved doing?

Well, we do have the sex industry and it's huge.

And there are tons of women, there are tons of children, but there are also tons of men involved in that industry, but the largest.

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Can I ask a clarifying question?

You you said 2,000,000.

Is that 2,000,000 for children and then significantly more for women?

Yeah.

So that's just that's just in the sex industry, yeah.

So that's children involved in sex slavery.

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So there's many, many more.

I'd have to pull out the numbers to give you the exact numbers of how that is differentiated.

But here's the problem with those numbers.

When you start pulling out, well, there's this many women in this trade, there's this many children in this trade, and you know, there's this many organs that have been harvested.

There's another subject that we could depress everybody with.

1:31:44

But you know, organ harvesting is one of the up and coming.

Terrible segments of this industry that that needs to be brought to light more, but your your industries.

So the labor industry, the sex industry, the organ industry.

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Labor can be divided up into other, like your indentured servitude, but we can also throw in like child soldiers.

Which is a big thing right now in Africa and some of the Asian regions like Myanmar and Cambodia.

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The problem is, is each of those crosses over.

So you get overlap between if you've got a woman who's who's in the labor industry and she's being exploited as a laborer, there's a high percentage, in fact nearly 100%, that she is also being exploited for in the sex industry.

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And it's the same for all of them.

So even even the men, right.

And then we also have the industries like like how do we, how do we differentiate and how how does it affect us If we look at this labor industry, well, we like to talk about how there's sweatshops in China and there's child labor labor and you know, Vietnam and kids that are building our, our sneakers and whatnot.

1:33:10

But even worse is.

We're all driving around.

I mean, it's not lost on me that I'm talking into a cell phone that's using a battery that is made with cobalt that more than likely was harvested from a mine in in an African nation.

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There's a good chance it was the Congo, where kids are dying every day in these mine shafts because they're harvesting cobalt.

Our cars are the worst offenders.

So all these rechargeable batteries that we're using to.

To run our solar systems.

To run our Teslas, those are a very high percentage of the cobalt that is used in those and Cobalt's the only, not the only one.

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Lithium too is harvested on the back of slave labor and the problem is, is it's very hard to track where that comes from because these nations aren't.

They're not.

There's there's nothing controlling what's happening in these nations for the production and then the.

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The purchase of the cobalt from the from the manufacturers like Apple and Tesla and lots of other, you know, especially the Chinese, most of those come out of of Chinese manufacturers and most of those facilities are not in China.

So.

1:34:28

You know, we're all like focusing on, well, your ESG.

You know, we're focusing on environmental standards, but we're not paying attention to the human standards, we're not paying attention to the human cost.

Of all of this stuff that we consume on a daily basis, I mean, every time you set that phone down on the charger on your night stand so that your phone's all ready for the next day so you can make your phone calls and do your work and talk to, you know that was there's a good chance that that, that.

1:34:56

The.

Something in your life is there on the back of some kind of slave labor.

Yeah, some child could have died bringing that cobalt.

To your night stand so that you can have a more an easier day tomorrow doing your work.

1:35:18

OK, So what do we do about that?

Right?

I, I, I remember, I distinctly remember learning about U.S. history and thinking I would have done something.

I would have thought back.

I would.

Have.

Helped you know.

1:35:34

I would have.

Escape.

I would have.

I would have gotten involved.

You know, I would have I I went to the museum.

The museum right on the river there in Cincinnati is awesome.

You know, talk about how they were helping them escape them, I think, yeah, I would have done that.

But today, right now, there are far more in some kind of slavery than than in all those hundreds of years.

1:36:00

What can we do about them, man?

You know Greg, I get asked that question daily and.

It's.

It's true.

It does go back to I think all of this is is good God fearing Christian men who are managing our families and staying committed to our work and being faithful to our spouses and trying to keep, you know, everybody and everything functioning.

1:36:28

I think we all like to think the best of ourselves in the sense that.

Had the opportunity arisen for us to participate in the Underground Railroad, we would have.

And the reality is, I I'm not sure that's the case.

When people ask me, well what can I do?

1:36:45

A lot of times I I get glassy eyed responses because it's not easy.

And when, when you've been touched in such a way that you feel like you want to make a difference, a lot of it is is.

Being creative and trying to figure out, well, what can I do, And in other words, not saying well what what can you tell me to do, but more like how can I get in this fight with my skills?

1:37:12

So that's asking myself, what can I do?

I've got to figure out how I can get involved.

And.

That's not a question for somebody else to answer.

I can certainly tell people about opportunities and things that are available to them, but to know somebody sincere.

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That would be the person coming to me and saying hey, this is what I know how to do.

Is any of this useful to you?

You know that that that to me is a more appropriate way of of trying to get involved and a more sincere way of trying to get involved is already taking an inventory of what do I have.

1:37:45

That I think.

Could, could, could be beneficial in this fight.

And The funny thing is, is.

A lot of.

People come to me and be like, you know, I was a.

You know, I was a badass in the in the military.

So I know how to go out and kill people in secret.

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And you know I would love to get involved.

Well, that that that's useless to me because I've never once in 10 years of of doing anti human trafficking work, I've never once gone out and found a trafficker and killed them.

That's not how it works.

1:38:18

That's not that that that's not 2023, right.

That's illegal and that will probably land me in prison.

So those skills are not useful.

So what is it then that would that would be useful, like in our work with Ariel, or with the work that I did with Operation Underground Railroad or what any of my friends are doing in these other organizations?

1:38:42

It's it's what what can we do to bring trafficking and slavery to?

The front of everybody's face, so that they're talking about it, they're seeing it, they're recognizing it.

I mean, honestly to me, the number one thing that we can do to stop slavery is for everybody to talk about it to.

1:39:04

Educate every single person on the fact that their phone works on the back of child slave labor to know that buying this Tesla may not be the most appropriate thing to do as far as.

Riding the world from human exploitation, you know, maybe there is an argument for doing something for the environment, although that's arguable, but to actually do something for human beings for?

1:39:31

Children it.

It.

Probably isn't the right thing to do until we've developed a a better way to hold electricity and batteries.

How about for that?

Scientist to say, you know what, I want to stop.

Child Exploitation and human exploitation in general.

1:39:47

I don't want to have to mine Cobalt anymore, so I'm going to use my brain to invent a battery that makes that not necessary.

Like those are the kinds of.

Things that we need to be thinking about progressively How do we figure out how to stop slavery is to stop having.

To have to use.

1:40:03

Slave labor.

It's the demand, right?

And then?

You also go to what?

You know, if somebody comes to me and says, well, you know, I was a detective, undercover detective for the Police Department, Okay.

Now, now my brain's going like, okay, how can I use this?

Because bringing to light and punishing all of these traffickers is definitely something we want to do.

1:40:22

Absolutely.

And there is a space for.

That, but man, I've been.

Involved in these missions and going undercover and pretending to be a trafficker and putting myself in harm's way and leaving my family and getting in front of these people and saving a few kids here and there for 9 years now.

1:40:39

The numbers have only gotten worse in that time.

Nothing's gotten better.

There's not less slaves in the world because of the work that I've been doing and my colleagues have been doing.

So why have I been doing it for the last nine years?

And I can definitely argue that by saying, well, it was worth it to save one child.

1:40:55

Absolutely.

And I would never, I would never minimize the rescue of one child or the arrest of 1 pedophile because those those are really big.

Those are really important things.

And so.

I do believe that that still needs to be done and I'll continue doing it.

1:41:11

But I think it's the smallest part of the work because what really needs to happen is people need to be educated and we need to stop the demand.

So I've only talked about labor.

I mean, sex trafficking is going up.

It's becoming a bigger part of the puzzle that if you take the pie and divide it up and you've got labor over here and organs over here and child soldiers over here in this.

1:41:30

This sex trafficking component is just getting bigger.

And I think there's two reasons for that.

I think partly because you know, we're descending into Sodom and Gomorrah, in fact past that we're just descending into Babylon now, but but also we're discovering that there's more overlap.

1:41:46

Like I was mentioning before, you've got your, your woman who's being forced to to be an indentured servant over here, but she's also being abused sexually over here.

So she's being sold to, you know, people in the town to, you know, for whatever.

And so now we're, we're finding that out more.

1:42:02

And so, you know, I think pretty soon it's just going to be this one pie enslaved, exploited human beings.

And if we allow this trajectory to happen, you know, in nine years, I've only seen the numbers get worse.

Well, if it continues.

And nothing changes.

1:42:17

What's the end result?

The numbers are going up.

So the end result is the whole world is enslaved at some point.

Now what does that remind you of?

To have the whole.

All of its people enslaved, being forced and told what to do without Hussein's plan all along.

1:42:35

I will make them.

Come.

I will make them follow you.

I will make them return to heaven.

That's that's Staton's plan.

Choice and liberty wasn't part of it.

So he's actually through exploitation and slavery.

1:42:55

This is how he is enacting his plan of controlling the whole world and making us all serve him.

So then how do we change it?

Well, we educate.

We we recognize.

We teach.

1:43:11

We talk about it.

We.

We demand our governments to to, you know, enact laws that eliminate it.

And we actually make punishments.

The opposite of what places like California are doing.

You make punishments for pedophiles, and we reduce the demand.

1:43:29

How do we reduce the demand of sexual exploitation?

How do we reduce the demand of people wanting or needing to buy sex?

Was going to ask you that one.

Well.

We start punishing the the buyers.

I think that's a start.

We start enacting laws that actually make the abusers the the ones that are going out and needing to buy it.

1:43:50

But I think it also has to go back to how do we teach?

How do we better teach values?

How do we better teach to not objectify other human beings?

And that's the big issue, right, is these kids are being brought up in households where they're not learning those lessons, they're being brought.

1:44:09

Up with with.

That kind of being the norm, they're not they're, they're even not even really being brought up with a value system.

Right.

It's just a it's just a a free for all and then we're actually supporting an industry that is totally based on the objectification.

1:44:32

Of other human beings, mostly women.

And that's the porn industry.

We are totally allowing the porn industry to run rampant and do whatever it wants and all it's done is gotten.

More.

Abusive.

And it's gotten more aggressive and it's gotten more gross.

1:44:53

And it's it's turned into something that it never, I don't think it ever was meant to be right.

At some point it was meant to be sort of artistic and just kind of give you some feelings or maybe even be inspirational.

But that's slowly turned into something that's purely abusive in fact nowadays, you know there was, it was only 10 years ago they did a study of the types of porn and they looked at what what was being sought online.

1:45:19

Do you know what?

Half of the porn searches when people get on and they Google, I want to watch this kind of porn. 10 years ago 70% of it was was.

I mean 20% of it was was anything like abusive.

1:45:38

Half of it now is wanting to watch anal sex.

Half.

Of all porn searches right now is to watch anal porn.

And it wasn't very long ago where that was a taboo subject to even talk about, and now it's half of it.

1:45:56

So what's showing up in half of your porn?

Videos now a fetish and.

So now we're even seeing more that's slowly changing into other fetishes, and so we're also seeing more abuse of kids online because that's a fetish.

1:46:12

And so we're seeing more porn being created.

Did you see?

They just did a bust in Australia, One of the most.

One of the most technically technologically advanced secret porn sites that they've ever busted, which was just a bunch of like tech nerds, had created this massive porn distribution ring.

1:46:33

All pedophilia, all child sexual abuse material.

They just busted it in.

It was Australia in the US.

It was linked to those 2FBI agents that were killed last year when they were doing a a bust on one of the sites that was holding the porn.

It's in the news I'll send you a link to.

1:46:51

It you should read it.

It's really interesting and it's extremely it's it's extremely sad to to know how many kids would have been abused to produce that kind of material.

But the other problem is it's it's totally accessible right now.

You can easily just get on your phone and you don't.

1:47:07

You don't even have to be an adult.

Any child can open up any device and access porn, and they're even making it available to children who don't understand what it is.

And we know.

We have data proving what happens to a child's brain when they're exposed to porn before puberty.

1:47:27

And yet we're having children that are being sexualized at 7-8 nine years old.

And we know their brains are being changed permanently because they're being abused to by by they're being exposed to to, to videos and pictures they don't even understand.

1:47:44

But yet it's changing their brain without them even knowing.

It's no different than giving them a drug.

And making them addicted to fentanyl or another opioid, which they'll have to then deal with for the rest of their lives.

It's like a child, you know, being born with with fetal alcohol syndrome, They're going to deal with that their whole life.

1:48:02

We're doing that to these adolescents before they even have any any tools to deal with it.

So we're creating these these sexualized.

Children who are then becoming sexualized adults who are then the ones that are doing the abusing.

1:48:19

Exactly.

The young predators.

So I'm glad you walked through that whole connection because it gives us those, those those listening.

That's something we can all do is is fighting the cause.

1:48:37

Like I like to say, like going back upstream, go back upstream like what's what's?

What's fueling this?

What's a huge?

Part of the problem.

It's a big societal problem and we can do our part.

We can all do our part and and you know, spread it like you're talking about and bring it to the service, talk about it.

1:48:53

But it's like fight back.

Yeah, because it's.

In the whole.

I mean, I just mentioned Australia, but it is everywhere.

It is.

In every country it is in every community.

Here in the US, we are the biggest consumer of.

1:49:10

Of abuse material.

We're the biggest consumer of child sexual abuse material, but we are the biggest consumer of all pornography.

But there's other countries that aren't far behind.

And so yeah.

Everywhere.

We are everywhere.

We have an opportunity to open our mouth and say something and we need to call this out.

1:49:27

We need to say this is wrong.

This is not how culturally advanced societies.

This is not how.

Especially going back to your you know, the holistic man.

This is not how a gentleman asks.

This is not how a a man of God acts.

1:49:43

A man of God does not allow this to happen.

We need to be, as men of God, calling this out everywhere we are, whether we're calling it out in our own country, you know, yelling it in English from the rooftops, or in another country yelling at whatever other languages we speak, that this is wrong.

1:50:01

That this is not acceptable behavior for men, especially because men are the we are the culprits, right?

We are the ones that are driving.

All of this.

And the only reason there are women involved is because they're being brought.

And.

Groomed into these and there are bad women.

1:50:17

Don't get me wrong, I I I've come face to face with plenty of bad women, but most of them.

And I would say I would argue that probably all.

Of the women who have been criminals that I've been personally involved with, their arrest were in in in multiple ways, victims themselves of the men that were.

1:50:41

Around them so this is this is our fault so.

What are we doing to change it?

Because even though you and I may not be porn addicts if we stand silent.

When things like this are happening and we don't say something when we have an opportunity, and it could be something as simple as just making that comment on a social media post or putting in our story.

1:51:04

Yes, I don't watch porn or porn is bad.

Or we shouldn't be allowing drag Queens to to dance half naked or full naked nowadays in front of our children in libraries.

1:51:22

Right, we need to call this stuff out when we see it, but.

We're not.

We're not standing up because.

We're afraid.

We're afraid of getting canceled.

We're afraid of even though we don't.

We're not using our voice, but we're afraid of the voice we might use getting canceled.

1:51:38

It's it.

It it.

Makes no sense.

And I get, I get so frustrated because I'm just as much I'm just as guilty as everybody else.

There are times when I have held my tongue.

You know during the during COVID this is a perfect example of of calling out things that are wrong when you know they're wrong and and you're not saying I don't want to bring up you know all the other stuff about COVID.

1:52:03

But there were some obvious things in the beginning of of COVID that that we had already received the data that that what we were doing was wrong, but the data, because the data showed that we were, we were responding the wrong way.

And so many people and I'm, I'm actually very proud to say that I was one of the ones that stood up and nearly got fired.

1:52:27

But when we started putting masks on children, that was one of the first things that we did.

And this is the reason I'm telling you about this is because I think this is linked to how we're abusing children, is the fact that we disregarded all, all of the data that we had that children, healthy children were not at risk.

1:52:48

And yet, we took them out of schools.

We took them out of their safe places, Many children.

The only place they were watched over was in school.

We took them out of their safe places and we put masks on them to make them anonymous.

And all we saw was a 9000% increase in child sexual abuse material that was produced during that time.

1:53:09

It's like we know exactly why that happened.

Children could then be abused without anybody noticing.

For a year and a half, you.

Know during that time I was very outspoken about masking children.

1:53:25

I was very outspoken of closing schools.

I almost got kicked out of the military because of what I was saying.

I nearly got fired from my clinic job because of what I was saying.

And they tried to minimize my voice as much as possible, but I wouldn't stop.

And fortunately I didn't.

1:53:42

But.

I when it came time to start the vaccination push, and I knew these vaccines were not appropriate for the kids, I didn't stand up.

I didn't say what I thought was right.

I didn't push back and say no, I'm not.

I will not vaccinate any children because they don't need it, even though now we know full well that all we did was harm them.

1:54:05

But while I stood up for the whole masking thing, I lost.

You know, whatever.

Courage I had during the during the beginning I lost it when the vaccine started pushing out because I was just as blinded by by the falsities that were going around everywhere and by everything that the media was saying.

1:54:28

And and I look back on that and I it breaks my heart that I didn't stand up.

So going back to what what you what you said, would I have been the person that?

You know, we all ask ourselves, would I have been the person that would have joined the Underground Railroad?

Would I have done my part if somebody showed up?

1:54:44

If a slave showed up at my door back then, would I have kept them secret, knowing that I was putting my family at risk?

And, you know, I like to think that I would have been.

I like to think that I'm, I'm that kind of a person.

But I mean just recently with COVID, for one part of COVID, I didn't.

1:55:06

I I turned away from the door.

So.

I learned a lesson.

In fact, I've left clinical medicine because a big part of it is because of that lesson.

I lost my face in in the medical community and I had to get out of clinical medicine and I may go back.

1:55:26

But for now, I've realized that I'm I'm sort of in, I guess you could say I'm in a repentance stage.

Where now I'm trying to actually do my part and be part of that Underground Railroad and try to make a difference in children's lives.

To make up for for a decision I made then.

1:55:44

And and to show not just myself but also my children, my family and anybody else who's watching that we need to use all of our skills to fight this because this is this is the war we are in all out war against evil right now.

1:56:01

There is no.

There, there.

There's no other way to put it.

This is a war.

There will be casualties.

There are people dying.

There's blood, there's guts, there's everything that you would see in a real war.

It's happening right now.

It's just hidden.

1:56:17

But unless we stand up and unless we we, you know, grab our muskets and our possibles bag and and go run to the front lines, it's just going to keep getting worse without our involvement.

1:56:33

I have to participate and man, I get it.

I got get this whole thing of like, I just want to live my life.

I just want to go to some quiet little corner of the world with my kids, raise my little family, live my quiet little life and and not have to deal with the ugly that's out there.

1:56:49

But I personally cannot do that because I feel like I have a moral obligation to do something if I can.

But what you're saying is like.

Whatever asset you have, whatever skill you have, I know, I know many of you listening to this, one of your skills is earning massive amounts of money.

1:57:06

So.

Maybe you take those that wealth and you fund these missions and I and you and I, I I wholeheartedly endorse aerial recovery.

I it's phenomenal organization and I've worked with a lot of organizations around the world but this one's solid so maybe it's putting the wealth there.

1:57:24

Maybe it's the some technology.

Maybe maybe it's just.

You just join these organizations or speak out against porn and just bring that back down or, I don't know, there's there's.

You know.

Greg, let me let me talk a little bit to that.

You know people that have wealth, I think a lot of times they they have really good ideas of the good things that they can do with it.

1:57:48

But just to give give them an idea of of just how how hard this is.

For us to fight with the limited resources that we have, the human slavery trade is $150 billion a year industry and that's a very low estimate.

1:58:06

We think.

We think that it's actually much, much higher than that because most of it is as an illegal trade.

It's very hard to collect data.

So a lot of this is extrapolated from assumption.

So think about what type of resources $150 billion would get you.

1:58:25

Think about how many retired retired NSA computer genius experts you could hire to hide your online porn addiction or to combat your enemies.

We're trying to stop your child porn ring.

1:58:45

Using all the latest and greatest technology that was developed by all these governments or to hunt down your enemies that are trying to take you down.

Who are these little NGO's?

Who are, you know, mostly just people with really good hearts and a few unique skills and using the a taken line that are coming after you.

1:59:08

But now you're going to turn all this, this wealth that you're getting from this, this horrible trade.

Against the the these people that are hunting you down, right?

The, the.

The.

I mean if you're the predator, these do gooders that are coming after you so to speak, think of the the amount of resources that wealth buys you and then you look at the other side us with our little organizations that are just trying our best.

1:59:43

To to.

You know, have plane tickets to go where we have, where we find leads to, you know, which, just to give you an example, you know, we've never upgraded the plane seat.

So when I travel to Columbia, I'm usually sitting in the back of the plane next to the bathroom in the seat that doesn't recline for seven or eight hours because we buy the cheapest seats we possibly can.

2:00:08

You know, maybe on Spirit Airlines, because we don't have the money, we don't have unlimited supplies of resources.

And I'm using a undercover camera that I pieced together from from two that broke because I had to buy them off Amazon because I can't afford the really good ones.

Or you know, we're we're saving up so that we can go down and and supply $200.00 to the undercover investigator from the country that we're working with our partners just so that they can go out and do an investigative undercover operation and actually purchase information from an informant 200.

2:00:49

But they can't, which is huge for.

A lot of those guys giving contacts to listeners, like some of these guys down there, they're earning.

So, so little.

And they're good.

Guys with good hearts want to do the right thing, but they're just barely surviving.

On these teeny salaries, $200.00 is twice.

2:01:06

So one of my partners down there, $200.00 is like twice his paycheck and he's the Colombian government asked him to pay for his own investigations and not get reimbursed.

So just to give you an idea of how it works, we'll go down and help them.

2:01:23

I'll provide the funding so that he can go do his investigations, go undercover, pay for the information that he needs to get so that then he can come back with all that evidence, take it to the attorneys, the attorney general and the prosecutors and make the case so that then they can go back out and make the arrest.

2:01:42

It's just a few dollars.

It's pocket change to us.

We don't even think twice about it.

We spend $200.00 buying a couple things at Costco nowadays here.

But to them, I mean that's, you know, that's a that's a paycheck and that's a whole investigation and they can take a criminal off the street.

2:01:59

Let me.

Make this connection to that 200 bucks let's say could be lead to rescue a woman or a child.

That's exactly what it was.

I'm not going to go anymore into it.

But it another place that we were just recently working.

2:02:15

That is exactly how much it was.

It was $200.

And I was, I just found out that it's going to result in an arrest and a rescue of five children.

And that was just a couple weeks ago.

And so next week they're going to do a takedown.

2:02:33

And I can't tell you where we're talking anymore about the specifics, but they're going to do a takedown and they're going to make the arrest, all because we gave them $200.00.

That's why that $200.00 number was sticking in my head, because that was exactly the story that just happened.

And that's something everyone listening to this can do regularly.

2:02:50

I mean, that's that's nothing.

But here's another perspective, though.

Just for us to go assist for five days to assist a government, you know, federal agency like in Colombia or in Ecuador and Costa Rica, for us to take a team down with our tech to to give them the resources that they need to do an investigation, it costs anywhere from 20 to $40,000 just to rescue one child and to make one arrest that's an that's an average so.

2:03:25

For for most people that's like, that's that's a huge number, right?

Like to me I $40,000 is is like that's that's two cars that are sitting in my driveway, right.

But for a lot of people that $40,000 is like a donation they might make to United Way you know a few times a year and and for some people that's the gas that that it costs for them to fly their plane to Aspen for the weekend.

2:03:51

Like there's a lot of people where that that there really is nothing but that that could mean freedom to a child, that could mean a criminal taken off the street that then how many children get to experience freedom because that criminal is now not able to then abuse them in the future.

2:04:13

So a lot of a lot of times we focus on.

The the rescues that we didn't have to do, which, you know, we might, we might arrest a criminal, might arrest a pedophile or a Madam, you know, or or a John, and we might rescue one child or five children or something like that.

2:04:31

But we always try to go back to what has this person done in the past and what is, what could they have done in the future.

And I mean we're looking at, you know, sometimes 10/20/30, a hundred victims now do not have to experience victimhood because that one person was taken off the street.

2:04:51

So the investment is actually much, much greater if we look at that that overall big picture perspective.

Inventing that kind of suffering, I can just, I can just picture this in my mind and like a trafficker with plans to go grab some kids, it gets busted.

2:05:14

And now?

Those kids are prevented from ever experiencing them.

That's a very real scenario.

Well, that that is the regular scenario when you think about any, any criminal trafficker being taken off the street, that that future scenario is always there.

2:05:35

It's hard to put a specific number on it, but every once in a while we can.

Especially if we look at how many they've abused in the past, how many victims we rescued at the time and what their access is, which we often do get, get Privy to that information.

And so, you know, every once in a while we can say, wow, we we saved 100 kids this time, even though only five are in aftercare because this, this particular brothel was, you know, look, right next door to a elementary school and they were focusing on this age group.

2:06:07

So how many kids?

Did we save because we took down the brothel next to the elementary?

You know so.

Oh my gosh.

OK, let's let's wrap this is, this has been so awesome.

It's so much here.

Gentlemen.

Those of you listening commit.

2:06:27

I was doing some personal writing earlier today and was writing about.

Committing to prepare to be an asset, right.

Committing to be an asset.

And I think that's what we talked about here.

And it's taking care of your body and your mind and your spirit.

2:06:44

It's it's your own commitment to to living at a higher level.

But figure out what you can do.

At a minimum, Donate to this cause at a minimum and and you can commit to do a certain amount every month or or every couple months, whatever.

2:07:00

And then speak up, speak up about the problem and speak up against evil and and all kinds of garbage.

There's there's so much that we can do and I I don't know I I think we have to.

I really do.

I think we have to, you know, along those lines, Greg, it's getting inspired to be committed.

2:07:17

So doing little things, like when the movie comes, going and seeing the movie, educating yourself by getting online and looking for those resources and finding those things that are going to then screw you to action.

Inspiration is not passive.

You know this.

2:07:33

I mean, this is something I'm sure you've talked about.

Inspiration is active.

We have to seek our own inspirations.

So if you're feeling like, man, you know what, this is something I need to do, then you need to seek the inspiration to have.

Then whatever you need to keep you pushing forward to get active in this space.

2:07:53

I can't tell you how many times I've had to go back.

It could be after a really horrible mission after one that went bad, after.

I mean, I've got so many stories of kids that I didn't rescue because we lost them or for whatever reason.

Or cases where, you know something terrible happened to the children and and you just feel so defeated.

2:08:12

You you don't want to, you don't want to continue working.

Sometimes you don't want to, like you want to go hide you, right.

You don't want to just like leave it all and just and just go hide somewhere and never do it again.

But then, you know, you can't.

So you have to go back and find that inspiration again.

2:08:29

Find those things that make you go okay.

You know what?

I can be strong.

I can do this.

I can work for the kids and and sometimes it's movies, sometimes it's books.

I can give you a list of books that will really get you fired up.

There's documentaries that are available to watch on Netflix and Prime that are really good.

2:08:46

If you haven't read Cobalt Read Yet by Siddharth Kara, you really should.

That'll give you the whole story about cobalt and our batteries and really get you fired up.

But the key is, is that that aggressive searching for the inspiration so that you can be that valuable tool and keeping yourself inspired to do it every day.

2:09:07

Perfect.

That is a that's a perfect message to wrap right there.

Just be commit.

No, seriously, it's it's be committed to that.

Keep fueling it.

Otherwise we're going to want to forget it.

We want to go hideaway.

We want to just dismiss.

Or we just get busy and distracted.

We're we're so busy anyways.

2:09:23

And it's not happening right in our immediate presence.

And so it's like out of out of sight, out of mind.

But I think you're you're spot on us keep educating ourselves and being a force for good so that the evil doesn't continue to triumph because good men are doing nothing.

2:09:41

Thanks for for who you are and the work you do.

Sincerely thank you for the work you do and thank you.

For willing to suffer and endure.

Skill set you developed.

A lot of years.

To do this work, I sincerely wanna honor you and thank you for that and for inspiring me and listeners to get involved and do something that makes a difference.

2:10:08

Thanks, brother.

Thank you.

I appreciate that.