#63 Surprising biological differences between Men & Women and what husbands MUST do for their wives, with Dr Patrick Flynn

Gentlemen, welcome to another episode of the Be the Man podcast.

Super exciting.

Have been for a long time for the interview today.

My guest today is is Doctor Patrick Flynn.

He is an author of at least two books, right?

I disagree.

And is the second book, is that the newest book?

The Hormone Connection.

Is that right?

No, that was the first one.

I Disagree book is now.

The I Still Disagree book is coming out in April of this upcoming.

Fantastic.

So we got another one coming out and what I'm most excited about.

He's a family man with four daughters.

The wife of four daughters is awesome.

So hey brother, welcome to the podcast.

Glad to have you here.

Why don't you give us a quick introduction and we'll dive into to what you and you believe are the non negotiables for really directing our health as men and as in families.

I think the non negotiable is first to understand that men and women are dramatically different both from a physical and a mental standpoint.

So that will guide you from a standpoint of how you take care of a woman, how you take care of a man, but also how they enter the business world too.

Because how a man deals with stress is dramatically different and how their body and Physiology and mental aspect deals with compared to a woman.

And just to give a set back, you know, I started my first clinic in December 27th, 1999 on $500 that my mother borrowed me and then it was kind of interesting and I built it.

Now an international company, hundreds and hundreds of employees and doctors and stuff all over USA, couple in Europe and expanding and I employ a lot of men and a lot of women.

I actually employ more women than men.

And I tried to set the tone of being a man, saying, listen, I believe the major non negotiable to me on anything is the effect of stress on women's bodies.

And the fact that men can, the way they can deal with stress is dramatically different.

And so I think that if we understand first of all that men and women are dramatically different in so many ways, they both have amazing gifts.

Because when I talk about certain things, they and men are gifted in things.

Women are gifted in things, but men can be affected negatively and positive by certain things.

Women can be affected negatively and positive things, but women have a lot of negativity to their health and their emotional state when mental stress enters their life.

Whoa.

So well let's let's let's just double, double tap right into that immediately is what are what are the best recovery.

Well the way to kind of handle stress and recover stress and and some of the contrasts there specifically for women.

I'm sure you you have some specific strategies but let's maybe just touch on what's the different effect and what are different strategies because I think do this all the time and when I'm coaching men, I'm like OK, we can do this, we can do this and it works.

But you're saying it's a totally different approach for women?

It is I I've kind of because I have a like a lot of men that are doctors but also great staff members that have different jobs through me.

And I was telling people this, if you look at men they got a dealt 3 major things.

You know there's I called 3 Ms. my muscle money, OK And there's certain stress load it takes to do that as you guys know in watching your podcast and watch your teeth right.

We have a mental mental stress load we need to take daily.

But the one thing about this is this, if you look at that mental stress load there is a there is a positive effect to our body.

If I were to physically be there in the studio with you and attack you by nature your testosterone go up see.

So our body physiologically reacts with a hormone production of to survive that stressful event.

Women don't have that same benefit which leaves them more susceptible to where their body moves into a fight or flight, degenerative response and therefore they start to lose certain hormones.

So not only does their mental and physical capabilities start to go down under high mental stress, but it also effects them from fertility to cancers to heart disease to to all the major factors, all things that they they deeply fear.

And so therefore I think the number one thing for recovery on both sexes is just awareness.

If if a man is aware that his wife who has amazing gifts, needs to be protected from a lot of mental stress, he's going to approach marriage differently.

Like, I always tell people this, women, I, I know this gets a laugh, but there's some there's some importance to this.

I always say this, who stresses out more men and women.

Women.

I go women and I say who causes women more stress and they all yell men.

And there's some truth to that you say and and women and guys are like, holy crap.

And I always try to teach men that, listen, you can be the greatest protector and provider amazing thing to your wife, but if you're the her number one stress, you can make her very sick.

Vice versa, if a woman stresses you out, doesn't really make you sick.

If anything actually, our aggression or testosterone goes up, We get more aggressive that way.

And that's why guys have to learn to be stoked and keep that under control.

But the idea is this is awareness, I think is #1 because when I go out and speak, I just got back from my initial book tour.

I was gone for six to seven weeks and women came up to me and said, listen, if my husband or my boyfriend, my fiance, knew that or I want my daughters to understand this because they may be 7 years old and they went through all the stress and beat them up like crazy.

They want the younger generations to understand that.

But it's really sad because in our there's obviously different levels of thinking on certain things to where people say, well, you're disempowering women.

That's not really true.

Women have I employ.

Actually the woman who reminded me that I was running behind after my last teaching to start the podcast was a woman.

She has a very important role in my life.

I could not succeed without her leadership.

She had expertise and her nurturing guidance, which she has an amazing capability and she's my head journalist.

She does her his hand and so.

So we have to really recognize the awareness that we all have major gifts.

But why can't we just accept that there's physiological consequences to women that aren't to men when it does come to mental stress?

And then set both sexes up to win, win because we are different.

Yes, yes, OK.

So and on that point where and you could see a valued argument valid argument there where you're saying well you don't want to over protect and you don't want to keep them you know underdeveloped so they're not growing and and progressing and you're not saying that So where where is it have you noticed that men are causing the most stress and where they can specifically shield or protect or make a shift so that their wives feel a sense of safety and certainty and and protection.

Well, if you think about women, they're very attracted to guys that have purpose.

They really are.

Because it it brings them, it brings them peace because they know everything is going to be OK.

Men don't thrive and everything is going to be OK.

We love adventure.

Testosterone's very aggressive, very go for it.

So when we're running towards something, that's when we're at our best.

Guys that are sitting around just want to know everything's OK.

I believe has been culturally developed.

And therefore you have a mama's boy that a mom tells a son everything's be OK.

I like to teach our men.

Say, listen, I I have AI, have this and I have nephews.

I have now my one of my my nephews, basically my son, my oldest nephew, he just had a little boy and he's starting to learn to walk.

Well, I tell people, you know what I do with him?

I give him a little push and knock him over and as he gets older I'm going to teach them, guess what?

For men you have to make their life hard.

For women, they have to understand life is hard.

Find a good man that can protect you from his stress while you can flourish in all of your gifts.

Because some of those creative and wonderful things I have my company came from women.

Do you see what I'm saying?

But the people that are supposed to barrel through and deal with that major stress and and do the go getting and and produce it so the so the women have less worry are the men.

I'm sorry and I said and people say that can't be done really.

I have a big huge six or seven nine figure company and going and I started with $500 and don't tell me it can't be done.

And just like for example my beautiful bride 22 years just walked into the studio you're saying and you apply that not only to your family but you also apply that to your work and it doesn't mean and some of the major positions I have in the company are held by women.

So what they do is they confuse leadership with stress.

That's not really true.

You say I'm because there's characteristics of leadership that men have that they're great characteristics of leadership that women have for example.

And and therefore you're going to have a man that's going to go for it more than the average woman and that's OK.

You're saying women want to have that aspect, their hormones, essence, connect, everything's to be OK moving forward things of that.

That's why if you ever think of this way, if a if a guy comes to me and he's vulnerable, if a guy comes to me and talks about emotions, I don't want to hire him because you know why that means he's raised by his Mama.

He's he's not going to go get it.

He's going to, he's not going to be a go getter.

He's not going to put himself through stress.

He's going to be more worried about things.

Everything's to be OK.

I'm like, you're not going to accomplish anything in life, and if you're in competition, I'm going to beat you.

Love it.

Oh, I love it.

And and this fits with something I've been doing a lot of coaching and teaching around recently and I'd love to hear your thoughts on it.

I think it's fundamentally we're built for women to bring some of their problems and struggles to their husbands, but it doesn't necessarily go the opposite way, where men taking their problems to their wives has a different and, and I'd love to hear your thoughts on that.

I think it has a different physiological effect.

Yep.

Men should never bring their women a problem to women and top it once again.

If you look at what we're supposed to do, how are they going to give us advice to fix it anyways?

You know, Sam and I had a family member that was in prison for eight years, and I went and visited them and I'd sit there and talk to the mothers and the girlfriends and the moms just sit there and go, you know, he's actually a really good kid.

We're in prison, you're saying, because moms are always going to tell their boys or that that everything's OK and you're a good kid.

And some of this, like, no, listen, you tell another guy that you're going to say get your crap together.

You're saying Mamas are going to be more nurturing by nature and stuff like that.

And I understand that's a good physiological thing.

We need that for them, aspects of it that way.

But once again, to actually succeed in the world, to succeed in life, those characteristics are not going to get you in very good places and stuff.

And so therefore, men are supposed to go to men to help do their other problems.

Because here's what happens by nature, If you address a a person, if a woman comes another woman, they're so much better listeners.

They're so much better by nature.

Estrogen makes them very connecting.

They're going to listen, They're going to hear and stuff of this, and they they'll, they'll tell them their feelings.

And women by nature, being nurtured and will listen, have compassion.

That's not what testosterone does to us.

Men don't give a crap.

We're not supposed to.

We're supposed to move forward.

And that's why it's like going, hey, listen, if a woman tells a man a problem, she's sometimes mad at him because his brain by nature is to go fix it and do it.

So I said, ladies, if you don't want an answer from your man, don't bring it to me.

If you just want somebody to listen and you want somebody to actually understand your feelings, don't talk to a man.

Go talk to a girlfriend.

Get girlfriend since you're able to have a group.

For because of that that Fix it drive we have.

I love that and by nature and so and now we have a culture that's trying to shift that.

We have, we have, we have, we have churches and pastors and all things that are trying to shift that trying to make men more into women.

I'm like going you're biologically working against everything that that the way God created the body, and therefore you're wondering why it's so unsuccessful.

Yes.

Yeah, brother.

Oh, I love that we're we're literally.

I'm just fighting biology.

Well, let's say I'm coming again.

I'm just teaching from standpoint of biology.

When I started to understand hormones at the level I did to to help my wife recover from endometriosis and infertility and now we have 4 beautiful daughters the whole world said this.

I said I disagree and that's why my second book coming out after all the COVID things.

Also I still disagree and that's the name of the book because I'm basing everything on just basic biological principles of how your body is created and how testosterone works, how estrogens work and all the things.

And then when I go speak at no matter where it is, it doesn't matter if it's a medical school, cabaret school, naturopathic school, medical conference, natural conference, church or this people go makes less sense now put these things into action.

So therefore you have to have an action plan.

So what I did is I put an action plan in our clinics and then start with one clinic and now it branch more and more and more and more to now a network of international clinics and now you got to get health recovery.

But there's a psychological aspect to it and the number one thing that I teach, the one thing that all my doctors teach and all my practitioners and all my health coaches and everything like that, they understand that the the mental stress realm to women is very destructive for the overall physical and mental.

Health.

OK, So related to that, I wanted to touch on a couple of things that have been coming to my mind.

And I'm sure I know my listeners are curious.

So what's the effect of even?

These are like recovery methods or maintaining methods, but intense vigorous workouts, men versus women, Cold plunging men versus women, and even maybe saunas.

So things that men might turn to, you know, women might also turn to.

There's going to be a different physiological effect on those things.

Yes.

And and and what happens this, men could be more consistent.

Women have it more difficult.

It's really based on timing.

For example, you have seven children.

Correct.

Correct.

OK.

So you're married to a wonderful woman.

Correct.

She's amazing.

Yes.

Now, I want you to think about this.

Do you understand?

I have to correct you.

You're not married to one woman.

You're married to four women, OK?

Because physiologically, her hormones change.

If she's still cyclic has her period, it changes 4 * a month.

So there's mental and physiological changes that happen each week.

So, guys, you don't realize this.

You have more stability to your hormones and Physiology.

She doesn't.

And by nature, that's a great thing.

So her hormones fluctuate every week.

That's why she's mentally and physically different.

Let me give you a physical thing.

And so for all you men, you can ask for women this A woman can put on a bra one week and her breasts are all nice and full.

Next week she can put it on.

It's a bunch of shriveled raisins, OK, because hormones change.

So your body changes physically, but those same hormones affect you psychologically.

So women have more change in their physiologically, Physiology, even mental Physiology and biochemistry.

So they're going to look and see the world and act differently.

So their needs from a health standpoint, food, exercise, sauna, cold plunging, remember us differs per week.

Guys can be more consistent at it.

Saunas, cold plunges, foods and healthy foods are obviously great for everybody, but women have to be more careful, especially when exercise, because they can push the body exercise excessively and deplete and hurt their hormones and make themselves sick and fat by doing if they do at the wrong time.

Wow.

So it's just teaching women differently.

That's just, it's so mind boggling because from a man's point of view it's we're just so overall just consistent and stable in biochemistry.

Yeah, she.

Has to work every week.

It has to be a different approach.

It does.

And so therefore I'm not parenting to women.

I say this, but I look at women and say listen, you have it much more difficult than we do, We do and men and men listening.

I know this is a male dominant podcast.

You have to have that understanding about her.

So therefore if you don't and you think that she's going to always be the same, you better stay single or you better find a guy in your relationship.

And I don't encourage that begin to my point, I'm being try to be funnier because you're going to have more stability.

They say it's really funny.

That's why women come to me all the time and say, Doc, I feel so unstable.

I said you're supposed to be a woman.

There's no such thing as a stable.

It's impossible.

And that gives the mental peace because they have such a diversity of emotions and that's a good thing.

That's one of the things that make them great, you say and vice versa.

Don't ask me to be emotional.

And and that's why we women try to preach to men.

Guess what happens.

It's it's all in water.

If you don't even understand our Physiology.

We're even have a culture today where people don't realize if you have a good testosterone levels you're going to have a sexual drive daily all through the day.

You say I'm and so therefore they tried now to downplay here.

What?

Let me ask a simple question may seem funny but let me ask you this because there's some there's some major truth in Physiology this as a guy, you have a beautiful wife of seven children.

Let me see a simple question.

Do you want to have sex with your wife tonight?

If every day.

So let me ask a question.

Does that make you a pig?

Discussing and perverted, But see Culture Day.

I've been called that because no, but the drive is.

There.

No.

Why you know what's why it's been there is because the understanding of males and start understanding that is a normal physiological response.

And you're wrong.

I say women now women what they do is so let me women, let me get back on my side now on this one is ladies we have a sex driver every day.

It doesn't mean we get sex every day.

See now I get it.

No, but understand.

And if women understood that there's a an aggressive testosterone drive not only comes to competition laser focused of that, ladies can actually get that to work to their advantage.

Do you see what I'm saying?

Instead of trying to yell at and act like tell a man not to be a man, be more woman like.

So the concept of adding women characteristics, emotions and nurturing into culture is if that's the leadership of full thing, it's going to be very destructive because that's how you get participation trophies.

Everybody wins.

Guess what happens?

Testosterone.

No, I want to be the winner, Yeah.

Exactly.

OK, so this whole concept, and I know it's going to be new for a lot of listeners, it's mind boggling that as her biochemistry changes, and you just touched on it, it literally changes the way she sees things, like her perspectives, A paradigm, her feelings.

Whether it's, you know, one week she's not going to be discouraged by something.

The next week she might be completely discouraged by the same thing, like walk us through a little bit deeper in the changes.

And one week she'll love you.

One week she'll love you less.

It's not a joke you're saying if you look at her hormones, if we look at this, I'll give you some extreme examples because you've had seven children and I don't know if your wife ever went through this.

I hopefully not.

But there's women that once again as they deliver a baby, they can get too low of hormones and they can go through post more depression where they don't have any connection or love for their child.

That was just born and like and what that was there was just a hormone deficiency that led to that and see.

But once again hormones fluctuate through the week.

So how they look at their children, how to look at their job, how to look at everything, how they how they approach the world that week is different and why can't we just accept that and go.

It's just basic biochemistry and Physiology and now understand that and now be be and be as a protector and provider.

Be that person that's going to provide that environment for them to thrive, protect them sometimes even from themselves.

Even saying just say listen, you're going to go through these things.

It's cool.

But I'm crying today, cool cry.

It's OK.

Nothing wrong with that.

I I don't care if I have an employee that cries that's a woman.

It's going to happen.

You're saying it's just just by nature.

You're saying, but if, but then if women go, no, I got to be more stoic like a man and this is this.

You're just going to stress yourself out and be something you're not.

Absolutely.

We have to give them space to be that.

So my follow up question is, is there something we can strategically be doing to optimize healthy transitions?

Because I imagine you come across a lot of things that like hey those changes are normal, but these ones are off the charts, they're they're too deep or too far or something's messed up there.

How can we what can we be doing to optimize the flow?

Well, let's look at this as I, as I taught men and women, it's very simple.

Women transition about four times in the month.

There's certain times, like for example, the day one, when she gets her period, there's a certain zone she's in compared to second week, third week, fourth week.

And therefore how they should plan their weeks and their activity, their physical activity and even projects they take on should based on their biochemistry.

And so therefore, I tell women, just be very conscious of that.

If, you know, you're moving to your second week where you can handle more physically and mentally put your big tasks on there, your third week, you better take it very easy because that's where you can really deplete your hormones and cause a lot of problems.

So put certain tasks and things on there.

You know, I tell people it's like, that's why.

That's why it's like, and this sounds like a simple example, but on my podcast tonight, I'm going to talk about how ridiculous it is that everybody thinks they have to show up for every holiday event.

Most women stress out about that.

And so as a husband, you say don't go, I'm here to protect you because why?

You're going to be stressed out.

Pack up the kids, go to your mom's.

And then if your parents are divorced, guys are your dad's grandparents also this, and you're not enjoying the holidays, you're actually stressed out about it.

And therefore if you can't handle it, which one Skin.

And there's a physiological burden, don't do it.

You know, saying no.

But my aunt, who I haven't seen in a year, she's going to be there.

She haven't seen her in a year.

Your life doesn't change because you don't see her once a year.

I just don't get it.

You say I just don't get it.

And once again, women sometimes get really ticked off when I say that way.

I'm like, going, well then just tell me how I'm wrong about the analysis and and things going to where when you're screaming at your kids on the way Christmas walk in and go, hey, how's it going?

You know, saying like you're just yelling at your kids ticked off, stressed out and now just 'cause you walked in the door.

Everything's better, you know.

So it's a it's a subtle form of self sabotage.

It is but you.

But we culturally, we culturally are trying to run our lives based on what culture says, but how we do it.

Women are more sick, people are more divorced, There's more things.

Men are fatter broke, all things more in history.

Testosterone's low.

Sorry, I was telling people.

The advice that we get is like listening to the weatherman.

They're always wrong, but you always go back and check your app to see what the weather is going to be.

Like and you keep listening.

Exactly I.

Don't get it.

So I just said I disagree.

And if you have some, if you have some physiological or biochemical and arguments that I can put out there that way, I'm more than well listened.

Because when I learned this stuff, no one taught me this.

I sat there and went, oh, here's a lab, here's what's happening, here's what goes on This, this.

Oh, my goodness, A lot of mental stress.

It drained your hormones.

Oh, my goodness.

What are stressors?

Well, they're men are stressors.

Well, the holidays are stressors.

These are.

Well, well, then why can't we just teach women that these things are happening?

Because I would tell you, it's just the awareness alone gets women thinking about it.

And they go, wait, I can't stress out about this see.

So when you look at thing, I think the greatest thing that we can always teach people is just awareness because then they can choose now because their thinking has changed, because people are trying to change people's thinking and therefore now the actions are taking are leading destruction.

So I just got to come along and give them a different level of thinking and their actions lead to a better health and life and more money and more happiness and and more health and more things this and going.

So let's just look at the outcomes.

I love it.

And is it?

Is it dialed in enough that they could schedule out quarters and and even a year if they know when their cycle is and and they could plan out bigger and smaller projects?

I mean is is it that dialed in where they could?

Forecast, it's a reason why that women are known to have a cycle.

It's coming around again, you're saying they can map it out.

And actually by mapping out, they actually will have a little less stress, will make their cycle even more stable.

So it's like that's the great thing.

It's just, it's just and then and then obviously I'm going to throw a whole monkey wrench in this.

Now when a woman's menopausal, she has more stability to her hormones and if she's taking care of herself, she can her testosterone levels do go up a little bit.

So she can't be a little bit more aggressive at things like that.

It's why they have termed, you know, that's why women at that age got to term Cougar because once again, they have a little bit more aggressiveness, they have a little bit more sexual drive them on this.

And so therefore, there's certain stages of life that women and men have to understand.

You know, I think that I think from a society standpoint and accomplishment standpoint, I think that the culture has really destroyed women where they've said, hey, listen, go chase after your career, do things this.

I think that's detrimental to most women, especially teenage and young women, because you know why?

You have a time period that allows you to be fertile.

You have a time period, You know what I'm saying?

You really do.

It's going to end.

Guess what happens?

A man who is 85, If he keeps his testosterone levels and keeps his body pretty healthy, he can have a child with a 35 year old woman.

You know what I'm saying?

Or a 30 year old woman.

See, our fertility continues.

There's doesn't.

And then therefore we are creating so much stress for women by the time they get to me at 30 years old, they're sick.

Yeah, The guess what?

They could be a lawyer, which I'm all in favor of.

My daughter who's 20 years old is following my footsteps but me and my wife encourage her to once again to to do it through your feminine characteristics and do it so and then she has a wonderful husband who's more like me that protects and provides for her was already adopt but allows her to to flourish and his job is to even protect her even from herself.

So that so that she can operate in her feminine sphere and not be expected to compete and Dr. consistently at A at a masculine level.

You'd say, well, because if she did, she'd get sick.

I actually have.

I have female doctors, female nurse practitioners, female nurses.

So that that tried to push at my level and they physically have dropped and I even warned them don't do it.

Not a joke.

So everything I preach, I've got, I got enough evidence to prove this to people.

And then as people start to put this in the practice, they go, holy crap doc, that makes sense and that's why I said it.

And that's why women need more sleep than men.

They need more recovery time due to the physiological burdens that they have to deal with that men don't have to.

And how much more?

I say women need 8 to 10 hours of sleep per night.

Men can get away with 7 to 8.

I like to see men's celeb but 8 hours sleep.

Sleep's very important for both sexes.

Women just need a little bit more.

What about food?

Is the diet going to be significantly different?

No, There's going to be macro nutrients like proteins, fats and carbohydrates that are needed.

This concept of no carbs or things that makes no sense to me or but people.

Women don't.

Both men and women don't need enough proteins.

Proteins are demonized by the plant based community which drives me nuts and you're wrong.

From a stamp business weight you can be a very healthy vegan.

You just have to work 10 times harder than the person that eats meat.

You're saying because there's certain amino acids you need to get a certain grams per day that you can get.

You just have to prepare your food more than if I like.

No joke.

I when I get done with this podcast I'm going to make 4 duck eggs and I'm going to eat .25 grams of of of liverwurst which has heart liver and kidney in there.

I'm gonna get enough leucine for muscle propane sit this I'm gonna work out my gym that I have here and I'm 49 years old and I can bench £250 and I can outwork a lot of people and and so we we create that venue for people to have a physical mental thing for guys here and if you're a guy here in this company we have a huge 70,000 square foot corporate office here with our major clinic and and our corporate office that way and those men are required to get their butt in that gym and working out every day and stuff.

And on flip side women are meant to understand their cycles and know when to work work out but we have that availability for them to build their muscle protein.

But even Aaron, who actually you were chat with before as I was coming on the podcast, I have her eaten a certain amount of proteins that she would never have gotten advice from from a or a doctor.

Exactly.

I love that.

OK, there's that's a good lead in to toxins.

I know you've addressed toxins.

I I would love for you to just nail some of the toxins in our body products in our house.

You know from laundry detergent to soaps to cleaning supplies.

Let's hit some of the toxic and how that's affecting the hormones.

Yeah, I would tell people is this is the reason why I like to talk about toxins is because we have a element to control over them.

You know, we don't have an element to control of pollution, things that yes, we should always promote no pollution and a better plant some of that not to the craziness that some of the lies that come out there, but we shouldn't be poisoning our rivers.

Like, you know, if I live in by the Great Lakes in Green Bay, the paper mills, the car industries has poisoned our Great Lakes.

That's disgusting.

We got to clean up our waters, clean up some of this.

But also on the flip side, we also don't want to be drinking tap water because there's a lot of chemicals in there that the recycling plants can't get out.

So you got to have good filters.

You got to remember that you can feed your body through your skin, so you should be putting healthy lotions on.

For example, coconut oil and beef tallow are fantastic things for beauty for women to help them regenerate their skin, A good fatty acid content, both essential fatty acids, but also certain acids we need for good skin regeneration protection.

We need to make sure we're not eating toxins, We're going to make sure we're not injecting toxins, We're going to make sure that we're not brushing our teeth with toxins and cosmetics that way.

All those things when skin are just things that are have a domino effect where it's just a micro dose of something that builds up over time and a lot of people have bad liver function to where they can't clear out a lot of those toxins.

And so then say eventually that creates an inflammatory hormone and immunological response that leads to chronic illness.

And even though we spend more money on healthcare and medical care in history, we have more cancer, diabetes, infertility, obesity every history.

Because once again I could equate I equate.

Our general advice from a medical doctor is like the weatherman.

They're wrong most of the time, but people keeps going back and asking them but all they're trained to do is give you some drug or surgery and that's why most medical advice is very misleading and wrong.

Now people sometimes get a little upset when I say that but I'm like, OK, but then prove statistically I'm wrong.

But second of all, you're confusing somebody going to a hospital emergency room and stopping a heart attack or a broken arm with being healthy and vibrant.

Don't confuse that, don't confuse the aspect.

And that's why I created analogy.

Fire department Carpenter, a fire department puts out the Firehouse with axe and holes that cause destruction and you got to rebuild the house with the Carpenter.

But guess what happens.

They both have a job.

Doctors are, should be, should be fire department doctors and doctors like us are Carpenter doctors that now take care of, maintain and build the body.

And if something bad happens, thank God we have some drugs or surgery to survive.

But that's not healthcare.

That's just management of some condition.

And we saw over the last three years, they've really lied to people.

And I've tell people 25 years I've been doing this and and started with one looks at one office and became international.

From the simple fact of saying, listen, I have no problem with the fire department viewpoint of healthcare to save somebody's life, but don't equate that with building the house and making somebody healthy.

There are two opposite things.

Vice versa, don't look at my tools that if you have a heart attack that you want me to do it because you're going to die.

Wow, I love that.

It's a it's a great perspective.

We've had that same vision.

It's like, look, when there's an emergency, when there's a broken bone, absolutely.

I'm I'm going right to the doctor, but.

If you can get.

Healthy.

I'm going to use food and other means to to get into that state of health.

Right.

And and remember and there's no drug or surgery that can help you get a normal body.

It's it should be used.

Like I said, my analogy, go back to this fire department.

Look at my site fire department.

But even through the process of saving your life, they destroy the house.

You're saying they break down your door, they spray it all down.

Yes, you don't lose your house, but you're kind of beat up and sick.

That's why we have more money spent to healthcare.

But we have more heart C's, cancer, diabetes.

Because we've convinced the people to just sit down and spray your house down every single day.

And that's why we're so rotten now that you got to be a Carpenter or rebuild it.

Wow.

OK, so cleaning supplies, same thing.

Toxins, anything on the body, same thing.

It's all just hitting it.

Yeah.

Remember things that we can control because here's what happens the less because remember if you look at a toxic ingredient.

I want you to picture this and go back to my carpet analogy.

If I'm going to build a house, I'm going to have good lumber, not rotten lumber.

So when you take for example, like a trans fat compared to essential fatty acid, which one you want to build your body out of?

Your body will use them.

Which one do you want Do you say I'm and see would you rather build your body out of grass fed liver or Oreo cookie?

Yes, I am.

And see you have to look at that.

So this kind of this.

Yeah.

And so the idea is this.

So you need doctors that actually teach you what you need.

And that's why when you look at, when I talk about protein content, we don't, women especially don't enough protein.

You have to look at the amino acid content they need for brain function, for thyroid hormones, for anabolic hormones, for just muscle protein synthesis, for metabolism.

In this concept that you're going to get it all from, you know, vegetable sources.

I don't equate.

I can prove to you can't do it.

Now what do I do is this.

I'm not saying you, I'm not saying you couldn't be very effective at doing it.

You just have to work 1000 times harder and most people are really lazy and you say I'm so that's why most most people that have more plant based diets are actually, with the exception of fiber, are very protein deficient, very protein deficient.

That's why they have to supplement.

But if you have to supplement for your diet, I understand.

Now remember I supplement things from a diet, you know why?

Because we need 47 milligrams of potassium per day and that's seven to 10 plus cups of proper vegetables per day.

And I just don't need enough.

So I supplement with it.

I'm smart, so therefore I keep some physiological function.

I supplement with it.

Now people say doc, but why don't you just eat it?

Sometimes I get too lazy.

I don't want to see that.

See, I have those conversations with patients all the time and stuff, so just any supplement with it.

Now they're on something cost me money too, so therefore I have to pay for it too, just like you do.

Right, but make it easy to succeed.

Yes.

Love it.

OK.

So let's, I want, I had a question that I wanted to ask that I know listeners have asked as well.

How do you detox?

Is there a detoxing process that is effective like OK, there's you know we're people are listening to this today and they're like OK, I'm getting rid of the toxics in in my body products in my house products and we're trying to get the body back to a clean optimal state.

What what are the best ways to to get the junk out of the body?

Yeah, well, remember here, let's go back to this, You're genetically programmed to do that.

OK, So it's concept of like of like detoxing frustrates you a little bit because it's a natural kind of hoax.

A little bit.

And let me explain.

Your body has production and inhalation processes every single day.

Now because people have been led by paediatricians, general practitioners, medical doctors, they actually put toxic burden.

Remember medication, A definition of medication is a non lethal dose of a lethal substance.

So they're giving you toxins all day long.

So therefore the burden that your body is taking is now affected some normal physiological processes of phase one, phase two, liver of your GI function, not moving the bowel strong enough that way.

So really your body is genetically programmed for all these things of production and elimination.

It's just that our eliminations have been slowed down by our current habits and toxic burden that we do do have.

So therefore, what really should people say?

Listen, how do I support the normal genetic physiological responses to eliminate something from my body?

So that's why people say I'm doing detox.

I'm like, well, you should just be healthy and and your body moves that stuff out on a daily basis.

OK, so now #1 is this.

Focus on this.

Make sure that you have proper bowel movements per day.

OK Hydration and mineral sufficiency is by far the most important.

OK?

Now by having sufficient magnesium and like magnesium citrate, you can take aloe juice.

Once again a great food that people do not realize how important aloe juice is L juice is very good at for the small, large and also intestine.

Also stomach all actually all all aspects of it's great for.

It's has many massive benefits and I can go to the detail of all the constituents, everything I'm giving you.

Obviously we don't have so much time but the idea is this and therefore having proper gallbladder function because when gallbladder releases bile it creates a slip and slide to this small large intestine and things move up properly.

So really, start with having the bowel move properly.

If you're only having one bowel in one day, I don't care if you take most incredible herbs to support your liver, it's just going to recirculate because you're going to reabsorb some of those things.

You got to make sure that the bowels moving on a daily basis at least two or three times a day, 2 to 3.

Wait, hold on.

So we're having a movement two to three times a day, OK?

Most people are constipated, OK?

And that's why for.

Example.

Is that because of dehydration?

I believe that dehydration, well, number one thing that I believe is because of inflammatory responses in the stomach, gallbladder, small intestine and large intestine, inflammation is the major contributing factor to every chronic illness in the world.

I mean, the fact that there's an immune response, there's certain cytokines, certain inflammatory markers and immune responses that cause slowing of the intestinal tract and other functions.

Because remember, that's where people realized my I went to chiropractic school, but my undergraduate background is in immunology and nutrition and that's why I was obsessed with immunology.

And so I'm a very big person that really looks at all the inflammatory triggers that lead to a person to, let's say, beat up their health because inflammation is a consuming factor to every chronic illness there is.

Right.

OK, so then.

So magnesium bowel movements, Aloe juice, yeah.

And I know you've.

Talked about apple cider vinegar, but let's give a couple more things here.

So let's do this.

Let's go back to then.

Once you can get the bowel movement proper, then you want to support the organ that metabolizes most of our toxic things, which is our liver.

We have certain, we have certain pathways within our liver that breakdown medications, if a person's on it breakdown, other toxic effects.

And see, that's why a lot of people say there's there's contraindication, certain supplements.

Well, what does that really mean?

It means it supports the pathways that get rid of the drug that is actually creating some negative effect on you.

And that's why some people can take a drug and they they don't have the ability to get rid of it.

And there's a major negative side effect because it just builds up and becomes a lethal dose.

So therefore you need to support liver function and number one thing you can do to support liver function is reduce your overconsumption of glucose of sugar.

Non non alcoholic fatty liver disease is one of the most chronic illnesses that nobody's talking about and people consume too much sugar too for too long.

There are we do need carbohydrates, there is no doubt don't get this whole kick of of we don't need carbohydrates.

That makes no sense because my favorite carbohydrates are high fiber carbohydrates.

I'm going to eat a ton of sauerkraut today.

I'm going to eat some blackberries, blueberries, raspberries, I'm going to have an avocado.

I'm going to do those things that are very high fiber, great carbohydrates that our body needs.

So it's concept of when people say no carb, what they really are is they're getting away of the very high available glucose based foods, which I'm in favor of, but don't lump them all together because there's higher fiber, there's lower fiber, you want to move, things are more high fiber and that should be daily.

I don't believe people eating.

I don't believe people have enough protein or enough fiber.

They say 30 grams for a woman, 35 for a male.

I'm like you should everybody should be well above 50 per day.

It's one of the major factors that reduce all 'cause mortality is fiber and stuff, because there's GI health that comes with that.

There's microbial, there's digestive, there's insulin resistance that's affected.

Because there's even if you did have something that had some higher glucose, it reduces the absorption of how quickly it gets in our bloodstream.

So I think that that's why I start with people now.

Now you can support the liver with some major factors that now can really support proteins #1, but then you can add things like you know, no be careful, be guided by somebody.

But milk Thistle, dandelion, dandelion is fantastic for release of bile from the liver in the gallbladder and gets great function that way.

Sassandra other great medicinal herbs that are very good at supporting and giving the constituents for those organs to actually do their normal the genetic process of phase one and phase two of the liver.

And so now you're going to start an overall consumption of things that are going to support the normal physiologic functions that move these things on a regular basis, quote detox, which once again I think that word is like I'm detoxing.

OK, what do you mean your body always wants to remove waste product from it this way.

That's why a car when you start it has an exhaust pipe you're saying and if there's ox pipe was plugged, we know the engine would be bad.

Well, you don't just stimulate and detox your engine.

Now you get the engine working good.

And if it does, does the detoxification process, does that happen mostly when we're sleeping?

And does poor sleep interrupt that?

Here's.

What happens?

Everything.

There's there's no saying that I have.

If you can't sleep, you can't heal your body.

During sleep starts certain physiological processes because you don't have the burdens of certain stresses through the day, including eating.

And you're saying that's why when men do fast, women should never fast.

Never.

Never, never, never, never.

I've proven that scientifically, for so long, women that fast, it's going to destroy their hormones, destroy their health.

Just that most women are obese, so they fast for a little bit, they lose weight, so they look a little better.

I'm like, OK, and we want to get rid of the BC, but you can't do that long term.

You will mess up your body.

Men, men need to fast on a regular basis.

It's it's it's good to do that because of the stress it puts on our body and then when you bring back in our nutrients, protein, certain things, our testosterone levels skyrocket even more.

But during when you first fast your testosterone drops a little bit.

It's supposed to, but then what it does is when you the recovery comes, when you come back in the fasting, now you've put your body in a stress state that now helps you build a fight or flight and animalistic paleolithic.

Ancestry aspect of survival.

And now our testosterone goes up.

So I love men going through fast and then start to build the body up and then retest them and see their testosterone go up, You know, maybe from 300 to 505, hundred to 606, hundred to 800 and stuff.

In my last Test, I'm 49 years old and there's a 851 and I can maintain those levels and stuff.

Oh, great.

Hold on and and you're naturally, you're naturally in the 8 hundreds.

Yeah, that's why when people are taking TRT and also by going, then people say, yeah, I'm really healthy.

I'm like you're taking a chemical.

Right.

Remember, I've never taken a drug, I've never taken a testosterone, I've never taken TRT.

I've never taken a bio denticle and everything.

All those things.

It's like going no.

And we do that all our patients just got to learn to maintain good testosterone levels, which just like business is effort and work.

Do you even say I'm and so therefore, guess what happens?

And then as you, as you understand the Physiology of the body and basic macro micronutrients and exercise and what we need to do in resistance, you know, like I said, you're going to do wonderful things to maintain a great healthy level.

And so I'm 49 years old, like 100 miles an hour every single day.

And people wonder why I can accomplish so much from a business standpoint, which I've been very successful in things that I've done, because I have a physiological aspect of health that I can grind like crazy.

You're running on a rocket fuel of testosterone.

Yeah, but I also like to make sure I'm in bed between 9:00 and 10:00 and make sure that I get significant 8 hours sleep.

People think I don't sleep.

I'm like, I sleep better and longer than most people because I understand the physiological recovery that's needed.

And I'm even in the favor of people taking naps during the day.

Have a quick half an hour nap, you know what I'm saying?

I think naps are are fantastic.

And sleep before midnight is is it significant if you got your your eight hours between midnight and eight, from what I understand it's, it's not as effective.

There's there's specific hormone reserves including growth hormone that have been shown that if you get into bed especially for women between 9:00 and 10:00 you're going to you're going especially even adrenal hormones.

That's why I would people if you go to bed at 9:00, I like to I like to put a standard for everybody.

Both men and women get to bed at 9 now men can get up easily easily by 5:00 crank it out.

Women should still be in bed for their cortisol rhythm to at least six or seven.

That's why I came up with the the basically saying listen and I have and I have a beautiful wife and four daughters and I and I'm always yelling at them in a good way when you yell my guys get in the bed because why I'm a protector.

I want to protect my my kids my wife even from the cells no Yes ladies I know you have so much to do it's important go be dominant be nurserous.

But remember I got to make sure that you stay healthy and vibrant because you want your beautiful wife around for a long period of time and if she's have a has a burnt up house, you're not going to have the loving go for it relationship.

And you can have all the money in the world saying you have a private jet but she's sick and can't fly in it.

Guess what happens?

It's not that fun a private jet anymore.

Exactly.

OK I I got to I got to go back to testosterone.

So I went in a few years ago I was in high five hundreds thought I was doing great.

Walk me through getting from 500 to 800 and and and and I guess this fits with energy too because that was one thing I wanted to ask is like energy and vitality.

How do we strategically keep that up on a day-to-day basis?

Well, it's it's very simple.

Remember, it's all about being healthy.

Remember the the vitality you're talking about is just normal biochemistry, normal Physiology, and I'm sorry, you can't be consistently putting burdens on your body, even as a guy.

Now what I mean by this don't freaking.

You know, I know it sounds Willy, but it's going to be something stupid.

Don't be putting Gillette shave on your toxin, on your face and shave.

Don't be doing all the the same burdens that women do that that interfere with normal physiological process your bias to recover from.

Now I do not believe that men get enough protein.

I do not men get enough sleep.

I do not believe men get enough constituents that are needed for basic physiological function.

I think they're understanding of of dietary and serum cholesterol is wrong because what happens is this.

We need cholesterol even to produce testosterone and so this concept of of trying to minimizing certain things and dietary and serum cholesterol have two different factors.

That's why people get it wrong.

Adipose tissue in men is a detrimental thing to testosterone production.

In men apologize.

Production is easily accomplished by LH hormone and certain constituents, but a lot of men are aromatasing through fat tissue into estrogens and that's why male breast cancer is an all time high.

It's why men have man boobs.

It's why men actually have some emotional feelings like women do, because they're converting their testosterone to estrogen.

And a lot of men, for example, can cause aromatase by adipose tissue by having a bad diet, toxins, too much sugar.

And that's why it's very important for men to get on our men saying hey you fat ass, get your ass back in the gym, get rid of that fat tissue, stop eating that sugar and see.

And I don't believe a woman should have the responsibility of saying that to their husband.

I think men need other men to hold people accountable because I can call you I can say dig or dating things to you and you think I love you.

If a woman says that to you it's just trust you love that way.

And I have a rule and I haven't I don't even have a rule with all my closest friends even my company if you're I used to and and if let's say I'm use Aaron and Christians.

Aaron's here right now and she's she's a big part of the company but so is her husband.

She works here.

And I say, Aaron, if your husband's ever not doing supposed to do, don't address him.

Come to me because then I'll go kick his butt.

Because men are meant to kick his other butt.

Yes, exactly.

And and it shouldn't be the burden of the wives to sit there and push their men that you know, because look at this way.

And Aaron has three wonderful kids and now she crush it in her job.

But you know what she did For the first season of her life, she raised three wonderful kids and now she's crushing and business because her kids are older now.

So now she enjoys the spoils of having wonderful children and then now crushes it as far as a business person.

And then her husband does the same thing, vice versa.

Like, you know, my wife raised the kids and did things and obviously I protect and provided and did things.

But now my kids, my, my youngest is 10 years old now.

And now I believe that's a good season of life for things for women to run into because now they've accomplished a certain thing this, but then there's different season of life for them.

We're kind of, you know, guys don't realize we're kind of we.

We kind of have a lucky season all the time because we can go for things a lot more.

We can we can dissociate.

Even when my baby was born, I'm going to love it when I'm there, but I can leave.

And testosterone makes me laser focus.

I can forget that my child's even there.

Women can't do that, right?

So that's why there's different seasons for men even, or women, even their careers compared to men.

Ah, man, the the IT would be extremely difficult to overemphasize the the importance of the distinction in biochemistry and Physiology.

Yeah, well that's the that's the I I teach from that standpoint and that's it.

So if people want to take cultural things and argue about them, then you have cultural thinkings that fight with each other.

I'm saying, hey, listen, I'm just going to stick to biochemistry and talk about that.

Because then a woman, even if she has maybe let's say and a thinking of like let's say the modern day feminism, I look at them and say, listen, I know what you're trying to do.

You're trying to culturally make yourself into male attributes.

But I'm going to caution you on that because it's going to make you physiologically and mentally sick.

And I'm like, here's why.

And then when I run their hormone levels like, Oh my goodness, I didn't realize my stress hormones was high.

I didn't realize my progesterone was so low.

I well, yeah, well, what does that well, the mental stress you're putting yourself through trying to keep up with us.

Good luck.

And it's awareness.

And so I don't have to have culture debates.

I don't want to have cultural debates.

I want to have health and physiological debates.

Do you recommend like blood panels for the awareness of going to see your levels and how often?

Yes, well well, it also depends.

If a person is going through some health issue, you might be tested more.

But I test my testosterone levels, free testosterone levels every single year just to now to maintain it, to to to show consistently that as I get older I maintain levels over 800.

But on top of it I'm getting older and my testosterone levels aren't dropping.

And we've done that clinically for hundreds and hundreds, well probably millions of people now after having so many clinics for 25 years all over the world.

Because I mean probably even since we have talked my clinics where I saw thousands of people, patients since just we talking you know saying so we have a lot of clinical you know outcomes that way.

So the idea is this, it's like it's important to be able to maintain those levels to you to maintain the vitality.

I tell people this, you know, ladies, it's much easier for you guys to get sick due to the changes about chemistry.

How do you feel as a good mom if you're sick?

How do you feel as a Good Wife?

You're sick.

How do you feel as a good business person if you're sick?

Men can handle and tolerate some things that can keep them going even if their body breaks down a little bit.

And we have to understand that culturally and not just, say, not trying to make men into women or men into men because it just isn't working.

If I'm wrong, how's it working for us today?

Yeah.

Now you're spot on.

You're spot on.

OK.

One last question before we wrap.

So you get AC, you have this privilege and responsibility of seeing so much data and so many people.

We've talked about a lot of things already.

But do you see like a glaring obstacle in the way that kind of a common denominator like it's a big problem right now that that we haven't already addressed.

Is there something that you're like, yeah, this thing is a such a huge deterrent to to health.

Yes, and it's and it's because of culture.

Again, I will tell you about a shadow of doubt.

No one will ever convince me different than this.

I have way too much data, way too many labs, way too many clinical experiences just being personally with a doc.

And some of that is the burden of mental stress on women's mental and physical attributes of their life.

I can't stress enough how and and I think women have to understand that first what's going to wear to us then men have to understand that.

And men, this is not a joke.

You can be the greatest protector of that woman or you could be the number one reason why she's actually getting sick too.

So you have to know that.

So therefore it's an environment that you have to create in yourself as a man for that as far as a relationship to move forward and what that and and being a protector once again just makes the family aware.

Say listen honey you know do what you want to do.

You go live your dreams We're we're we're in this together.

But if I see an element of stress, it's my job to even protect you, even from yourself, because women can nurture themselves and nurture other people to their own detriment.

I I've met wonderful women that will give themselves so much they'll put themselves physically sick.

Me too.

And like and as a man go, no, honey, not going to happen.

Now, it's not an element to control.

It's an element of protection.

You Sam.

And so I believe there's certain burdens that men are supposed to take that women are not.

And if that makes me, you know, people culturally don't like that, well, then here's what happens this You live your life the way you want to.

I'm cool with that.

Let me live my life.

And let's see the way your wife lives, life, her health, her vitality, her sex drive, everything.

And let's take a look at mine and let's just compare data.

And then let's see you take your cultural experiment.

And I'll take my cultural experiment and let's see what works.

Exactly, because the results don't lie.

Right.

Gosh, that's a perfect way to wrap right there.

But that's so powerful.

OK, I'll I'll put a bunch of links in the show notes, but where?

Where's the best people, best best place for people to connect with you and your work?

Well, it's funny you say that, because about every couple weeks I get kicked off with some social media platform.

Just like my.

Good for you that.

Means you're saying the right things.

I would say the one that's been more stable is my Instagram, which is just Doctor Patrick Flynn.

But also remember, this is and the stuff that I practice and stuff, the things that we do, is practice all over the US by many different people of all health backgrounds.

You could be a nurse, could be chiropractic, could be a medical doctor, could be a pharmacist, could be, you know, a person that went through our Academy.

But here's what happens this You can go to thewellnessway.com and I put a ton of free information out there, as you noticed when I chatted with you before, a lot of people want to ask me about products and I and I and I don't talk a lot about that.

You know why labs and things to evaluate your body.

I'm not a person that wants to say take all these things because there's no two individuals there that have the same, even if they get diagnosed with the same condition, have the same ability to recover or the same stressors in her life.

So therefore giving a protocol naturally or medically, you'll never see me.

That's why if you you kind of notice, I kind of shot away from trying to answer those things because people are like going to make your bowels move by this for 1995 and you're telling me that everybody's bowels the same and everybody's causing a slowdown or a Constipation by the same thing.

That's physiologically impossible.

We all go through different things so that's why care has to be personalized.

But there's one thing that nobody disagrees with.

When I run labs on somebody and I see all their hormone levels, there might be a a perspective of how to to to glass those.

So if somebody's testoster is at 200, your standard medical doctors say give them TRT, give them this, this.

And I'm like going, OK, but there's problems that are going to come from that too.

Why don't we like a Carpenter build it back to normal.

But here why it's even low is different for every individual.

Is there some general concepts?

Yes, but there's different for individual and that's why healthcare has to be individualized.

It can never be blanketed.

So therefore thank God this has never happened where the government stepped in and said everybody should do this treatment to get through something otherwise we don't let it go back to normal.

That's never happened in history AKA the last three years.

But anyways, I digress on that one.

So awesome.

Thanks brother.

Appreciate you so.

Much thanks for being on.

Appreciate it.

Thanks for having me.