March 27, 2025
#85 Faith, Masculinity, and Becoming a Modern Day Warrior with Byron Rodgers
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In this powerful episode, we dive deep into the true essence of manhood with special guest Byron Rodgers. Known for his strength, wisdom, and fearless leadership, Byron brings a wealth of knowledge on what it truly means to embrace masculinity in today's world. From overcoming personal struggles to becoming a protector, provider, and leader, Byron shares his unique journey of transformation and growth.
In this inspiring conversation, Byron reveals the importance of respect, faith, and preparedness in navigating life’s challenges. Whether you’re a father, husband, or individual seeking to level up, this episode is packed with valuable insights on building confidence, mental toughness, and emotional intelligence. Byron teaches us that masculinity isn’t about perfection, but about progress, resilience, and embracing our purpose.
Tune in to discover how to become the man you're called to be, how to lead with integrity, and how to face the most daunting challenges with courage. If you're ready to take ownership of your masculinity and grow into the best version of yourself, this podcast is a must-listen!
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- Results-driven masculinity is essential for personal growth and respect.
- Preparation is key; when the time to perform arrives, preparation must be in place.
- Cultural awareness is crucial when traveling and understanding different societies.
- Skill development requires time, patience, and consistent effort.
- Respect and honor are the most valuable currencies in any culture.
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As men, how can we be better protectors?
They broke in to assassinate my father.
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How can you be a a warrior and a Christian?
Watching how humans react in life and death situations.
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Zod and his universe are conspiring in your favor.
Masculine spiritual certainty is here to serve you.
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People will misuse power and strength and masculinity to do wrong.
Masculinity is results driven.
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Men struggle respecting themselves because they're not doing respectable things.
Power without a purpose.
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This is a problem we have to.
Choose to be a king under him.
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We don't know who we are because we don't know who's we are.
When the time to perform has arrived, the time to prepare has passed.
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Gentlemen, welcome to the Formidable Family Man podcast.
I'm your host, Greg Denning.
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This podcast exists, fellas, to help you become the best husband, father, business leader,
philanthropist, and man you can be.
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Today.
My guest is Sir Byron Rogers and we have an open bun honest insightful conversation today about
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being a son of God, a king in God's Kingdom, about the problems inside the church and Christianity,
about the the over feminization of the church.
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We talked about how to fit in, in his Kingdom and in the church and in the world with real
masculinity and real power and what it looks like to be a husband and a father and a leader in the
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community with with real masculine power.
And we talked about making mistakes and making changes and overcoming our weaknesses and failures
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and living in, in gratitude and joy and happiness and how to really lean in and protect, protect
ourselves, protect our kids, protect our wives, protect our home and our family, our legacy and to
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be free, true, formidable family men.
Enjoy this episode.
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All right, brother, super excited to have you here, man.
I've been looking forward to this conversation and, and all kinds of different directions we can go.
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But why don't you introduce yourself to the audience, Give us a a bit of your story and and we'll
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start from there.
Outstanding.
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Boom.
What's up, you guys?
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Byron Rogers here.
And I mean, really, I'm just a man that's trying the best he can to really be a faithful son of God.
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I've been so blessed to go through the Marine Corps to combat deployments, infantry.
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So I went to Iraq a few times, got through there and to professional protection, bodyguard work.
By the grace of God, you know, got into the industry at a very high level, hidden 5060 countries per
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year for the first seven years of my career, starting in 2000 and 2008 when I got out of the Marine
Corps.
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And then by the grace of God, a client looked at me and said, Hey, I want you to be my guy.
I'm going to put you in business.
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I want you to run security for my billionaire family.
And so that's how my private security company started.
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We've been taking care of high net worth families and, and, and doing some pretty cool humanitarian
missions since 2017 under that company.
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And then also I, I have a training company that focuses on creating professional protectors, guys
that want to get out, transition from law enforcement, civilian life for military into what I do.
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And then also a training company that focuses on civilians and making the world a safer place by
helping good people to be more dangerous, right?
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Yeah, that's exactly right.
I love that.
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Yeah, man.
So that's a little bit about me.
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You know, they got a masters in different things and published a book and.
I'm a I'm a knight, different things like that.
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God's just been good and I've just done the best I can not to mess it up and and deliver well you.
Know that's OK so already brother, like so many experiences from so many different places around the
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world and and I I'm sure you do too.
I I deeply value experience and exposure across the spectrum, right from from wealthy to poor, from
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war zones to peaceful places where they have almost no crime.
It just across the spectrum and across religions and cultures because we can all learn so much.
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And, and yeah, in the last, what, 20 years, man, you've been in all kinds of environments and
different situations to to glean lessons from all that.
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Yeah, man, no.
God's been good.
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It's and it all serves man.
Like, so now when I look at life and I listen to things, I listen to things people say or things are
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hitting me, it's like he just gave me this experience of like an absolutely supercharged amount of,
of, of experience, like perspective.
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That's what I'm saying.
Like from being in war and watching how humans react in life and death situations and, you know,
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being able to understand, like, look dude, like these guys were fighting or just us.
You know, like, they're just little boys like us.
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They grew up in a different hood.
And now we're fighting like, what's this really like to have these types of thoughts as we went
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through it and then forgot to to keep me, you know, I had out of body experience.
I got hit by a number of IE D's.
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You know, I got blasted the last time and had to pray for a chance to come back to, to, to the
planet.
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And God gave me that.
And then, you know, and then living with billionaires and and millionaires and seeing the country in
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the world.
I've probably been to 80 countries and operated in those countries, understood a little bit about
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the culture enough to get a client through an operation.
It's just I and it was literally all by the grace of God.
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I my journey started out with me as a young man praying without being like, I don't even know where
my like I can't depend on my parents.
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I they're great people.
I love them, but I love my.
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Parents like to this day, I love my parents, but like they did the best they could.
And that's the beauty of the tragedy of parenting.
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We're just they're all we, they them everyone, we're just all doing the best we can, buddy, you
know, so, you know, I had that a young age.
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I was like, father guide me.
I don't know where I'm going to get lunch and he.
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Has been.
He's been the.
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Perfect.
So is that I was going to ask you, is that where your faith started?
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Yeah, you.
Started praying and kind of needing needing some help from heaven.
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Yeah, that's really where it started.
I remember an assignment when I was in like, I don't know, it might have been first grade
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kindergarten or something, not first grader kindergarten, but it was young.
And I remember them being like, hey, like who do you look up for?
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Like, let's make a little picture thing of who the people you look up for.
Here's some magazines and cut out pictures or, or, you know, and I remember being like, I don't
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really, I remember feeling like maybe they're going to think I'm, you know, like, I don't know if
this is a socially acceptable.
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I remember feeling pressure because I I was really struggling because I was like, my dad is a
superhuman character.
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So like, my dad is like Tony Montana mixed with Donald Trump and like a Big Island guy, you know,
who's like successful in business.
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He got shot at point blank range with a shotgun because he started the first private security
reaction force.
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Like he's just that guy, you know, not because he did that, but he got, you know, he's so my dad's
like this larger than life character.
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And I remember being like, well, that made it hard for me to look up to a lot of guys, you know, and
a lot of guys in church, you know, I was like, seem like a nice guy, but like, I can't look up to
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you.
And so I remember at a young age just being like my Heavenly Father, the Holy Spirit.
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And my dad wasn't in my life, you know, because you know, all the things.
And I remember being like Father in heaven, like, I need your help because I'm growing up with my
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mom primarily in Washington state.
Dad's in the Bahamas.
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And that's when I started to look at the Holy Spirit as my father, my guide, my friend.
And and that's when he started guiding me.
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And did you I could tell you stories?
That did that have a, a major impact on the course of your life or you, you always were you always
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faithful?
Were you always dependent on him?
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Did you?
Did you stick with it through the thick and thin and the craziness of it all?
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It's a beautiful question because that people need to understand this.
So God was the Holy Spirit was with me from the age of five when I heard his voice in an almost
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audible way and stop my family from suffering an assassination attempt on my father legitimately was
like sitting on the couch like trying to go to sleep.
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The Holy Spirit was like, don't go to sleep, Go go, go in your dad's room and lock the door.
And I argued and was like, no.
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Like I'm comfortable, I'm comfortable.
I want to sleep on the couch and you know, and, and, and lost the argument.
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Of course, you know, fine, if you're not going to let me sleep on the couch, I'll go in my dad's
room.
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Fine little 5 year old you know.
And I remember this, this story with Samuel, you know, like next time you hear that voice say, you
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know, God, I'm here, I'm listening.
And, and I've just learned it in Bible school in my little Sunday class, you know, so this happens.
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And then, of course, you know, it's a longer story, but eventually these guys break in, they kick,
they, they break in.
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I, I wake up to the door being the, to my dad's room being picked and, and there's a bunch of dudes
in the house.
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We got them on camera.
They broke into assassinate my father because he started that tactical team in the Bahamas.
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So having legitimate Holy Spirit guidance and experiences at that age and then living my life, you
know, and God guiding me through my life.
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And then still when I get through the Marine Corps, getting blown up, massive experiences with God.
But then getting out of the Marine Corps, going into my God phase where I was like, I'm going to be
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God.
You're like, I'm going to meet my needs.
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Like I still love you, Jesus.
Like check it out.
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Like we're cool.
Like I love you.
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But like, yeah, like I'm making my money now, you know, Like, and then literally God literally being
like, hey, you know, I get out of the Marine Corps and I'm afraid.
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And I'm like.
Dude, what am I going to do?
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How am I going to make money?
How am I going to become respectable?
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I pray God literally tells me what to do.
He says go to this bar, go to Hennessy's Tavern and Dana Point.
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Become a bouncer.
I'm going to make you a bodyguard.
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You're going to travel the world.
I walk into the living room.
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You know my.
Girl at the time is.
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Looking at me, I'm excited.
She's like, why are you happy?
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Like, what are we going to do?
I'm like, I know what's going to happen.
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I know this voice.
What's going to happen?
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Yeah.
And she's like, huh?
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And I'm like, I got to go bounce at Hennessy's Tavern.
I'm going to become a bodyguard.
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I'm a travel the world.
She laughs at me, tells me I can't do it.
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I say the most Jesusy thing I've ever said in my life, which I'm so proud of to this day.
Listen, I know this voice.
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It saved my life in Iraq.
All I ask is that when it happens, exactly how I'm telling you what happens is that you believe it.
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Was a beautiful moment in my life.
Dude randomly, not so randomly recruits me.
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I'm this is going somewhere.
Trust me, this is a long.
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I'm kind of a long.
Answer guy, but this is going somewhere.
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So God now gives me a stratospheric V3.
Months into bouncing, I get recruited into one of the top EP details, protection details in the
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state of California, 50-60 countries a year, top of the line detail.
I'm 21 years old, way too young to be doing, not too young, you know, And it's the favor of God in
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my life.
I still had to go through my own.
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I'm going to do all the drugs, all the women, all around the world proving, trying to meet my own
needs as a man.
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Trying to be.
God to myself and had to do that dance and fall and realize I'm not a good God and re surrender to
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him multiple times.
To him and yeah.
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And once I did, my life just even more just took off adventure more than I could have ever asked
for.
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Yeah.
Oh man, that's.
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So, yeah, God was with me, but I still did all the things.
Chief among sinners all the things, and he never left.
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Me.
Never left me during all that.
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And it's well, like hearing your stories, I just, I tell people all the time that God and his
universe are conspiring in your favor and he's opening doors and doing things that you couldn't
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possibly dream up the stuff he has in store.
But like you said, sometimes we walk away from him.
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We're not conspiring in our own favor.
And so he's ready to bless us and help us and guide us.
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We're like, Nah, I got this and I'm over here like messing with sand castles.
Yeah, bro, like playing God, like I my biggest, biggest issue was literally being like father, I
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can't live like how you want me to live.
Like, I can't be like the happy wife, happy life, nice church guy.
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Like, like I'm a warrior, but it's trying to be normal.
I just got back from Iraq.
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Like the, you know, like, like we like I, I remember being like, there's no way I can do.
I can.
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I can be the kind of guy that I think you're asking me to be based on what I've seen at church.
What are you saying?
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So talk about that.
Keep right, we'll dig, and so I remember being like, I need to go fast.
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I feel like a Lamborghini forced to drive in a school zone for the rest of my life, like nerf for
the rest of my life, like I'm going to kill myself like all my homies like this is.
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And I remember God being like, Hey, I wouldn't basically, I wouldn't ask you a few things happened
in there, but we'll get into it.
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I'm sure I wouldn't ask you to do something that you were capable of.
Like and I remember being like, huh, And he showed me the path that I was going down and the
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destruction that was there.
It's like, you can continue to try to be God, but like, how are the people around you surviving you
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right now trying to be God like?
And I could, I just knew I'd lose everything.
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And, and then he was like, make room for me.
And I, I just finally decided, OK, God, if you're God, this is going to be all you.
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I'm going to do things your way and we'll see what happens.
And I, and even in the, the men that I interview and talk with, there's a level of wholesomeness,
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there's a level of, of adventure that I could have never imagined ever.
You know, they, I, I, I live a reality that is above the natural is supernatural in nature because
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of that yielding and inviting in a supernatural father, which now I express that in the world.
It's just the coolest thing.
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And it's not because of me.
It's because, you know, of yielding to that.
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And I feel bad for any man that hasn't tapped into that.
Like real power.
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Power, your real heavenly last name.
Like who you really were created to be.
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Yeah, it's so powerful, so beautiful.
Hey, let's, let's, let's tap in to what you said there because we get this image sometimes of, of
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what it means to be a churchgoer, to be in the church, to be, to be a good Christian.
And, and even at a young age, you were just like.
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Yeah, I was like, guys.
Can't, I can't do that.
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And, and it's, that's so, it's so powerful, so important because if, if that's our image, like if
we, if we look at that and like this is what it means, I'm out.
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Yeah.
Like this is a masculine way I don't respect.
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So how did you?
OK, first of all, what?
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What did you see and what do you still see?
And then how did you resolve it?
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How can you be a warrior and a Christian?
Yep, and and what I saw what I experienced, I told you guys, my dad experiencing concept and then
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the reality that inside I just know I was anointing office calling everything in me has always been
a warrior and I've always been like father, how can I is this a good thing?
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Is this a bad thing?
Like how can I even how can this serve you know, and he's he's been faithful to just raise an
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understanding the the absolute honor it is to serve as a warrior.
You can't just identify as a warrior.
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This is a path.
But anyways, my, my experience was dismal because church was super feminized.
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And so I remember always looking in church for men that I could respect as both, you know, a warrior
and also as a man of God.
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And I had a really, I had a lot of trouble and I did find, you know, 1.
And I actually, I grew up in Casey treats house like in his home.
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This is a pastor in Washington state.
And of course, every pastor has, has goes through things.
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But when I was there, I remember seeing him and I remember being like, he was the one man that stood
out as like, you know, he, he's a king in his home and he's respected and he was firm and he, like,
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I remember that was one guy and he, you know, I got spanked because I was running around with his
kids.
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Back in the day, like, and it was like I, I just remember being like, wow, there, this can be done,
but you know, to make a long story.
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Short way that I that was what I ran from in church.
I ran from all the other happy hidey ho neighbor, happy wife, happy life soft men that I saw there
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and I was like I don't think this is a place for me and a lot of men do and the way I reconciled
that was two ways.
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One my first client was a massive evangelical ministry so I know church like I grew up in church I
went to.
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I was forced to watch 4 sermons every day before going to Christian School before being at church.
Thursday for choir practice, Saturday three times on Sunday, like I I like I had heard more.
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Churches by the time I was a a team that most past like I could I and and it but it's I mean it's
been such a blessing, but I know the game and then my first client being a massive evangelical
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ministry.
I was at church all the time.
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I get to see the business at church, all the churches around the world, and it culminates into a.
Moment.
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Oh, so OK, so you were doing security for a a big evangelical church?
Yeah.
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Ministry.
Ha, wow.
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Then it culminates into a moment where I'm like, father, I don't want anything to do with these
people.
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Like, you can't trust them.
They're weak.
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These men are like, pathetic.
I just came back from war.
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I see no one here that I can really respect.
And he said don't ever judge me based on humans again.
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And that was like, he's like, look at you.
He's like, he's like, bro.
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He's like, like, like it was like, it was like, like the disgust like, like, do you not know better?
Have we not been doing this long enough?
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He's like, don't.
Ever judge me based on other people, on people's performance?
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And then and then and that was like, he was like what we have.
Is a relationship like this is we me, This is me and you.
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This is a relationship.
Don't ever judge me on these people again.
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And if you're so good, bring that back to my body.
That was the first thing.
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The second thing that destroyed all of that was I just, I just, I know the Bible.
I read the Bible and at the Bible there are copious examples of mighty men of value.
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There are.
Mighty men there.
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Are copious examples of masculine, fearless, selfless servant leaders all the way up to Jesus Christ
himself.
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The only way you think that Jesus is a nice guy and not a good man is because you literally just
haven't read.
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Yeah, the words in red.
You, you went to church and you listen to that tell you about how loving he is and how what they
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want you to believe about him.
But he continually showed masculine forms of love and accountability and firmness and strength.
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People reacted to him as a strong man.
The disciples multiple occasions were like no, you tell Jesus we forgot the fishes.
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Or no, Oh no, you you tell you wake Jesus up, there's a storm going on.
No, you wake and they all the authority he walked in is demonstrated in the scriptures and my
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favorite verse and no one asked Jesus a question in that town again.
Yeah, I'm saying anyways, so I'm a long answer guys.
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So let me know if I if you want me to like.
A revolutionist and And he was he was a non conformist and like contrary to all the things that were
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broken and all the the really quote, you know, relig, righteous religious people.
He's like, no, it's this is a joke and his his words were just blunt.
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He was it was one of my favorite things.
He says he was an austere man and and he was a man.
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I love that.
OK, so now you you've come to a place where you feel comfortable being very.
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Masculine warrior inside the Kingdom and it does it ever make people uncomfortable.
Yeah, it's not without, it's not without its violence, you know, which is great.
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You know, I've, I've, I've actually found that I have to deal with like a strong feminine resistance
or a Jezebelian type of resistance in most cases.
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And so when I have been challenged in church environments, it's really not usually the man.
The men usually find me to be by the grace of God, find what I carry in the way out impact and
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atmosphere to be inspirational and useful.
They don't want me to come in like they're like, yeah, come on, let's do some stuff.
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You want to elite, you want to do something you want.
Like they're like, let's join forces.
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Even if they don't carry that, it's the the females, the strong females that just feel the need to
try to knock that down.
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Because they they need to challenge.
They want the femininity.
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And sometimes they feel threatened by the masculinity.
Yeah. 100% they do, and I'll do everything I can to prove to them that that energy is here, that
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masculinity, that masculine spiritual certainty is here to serve you, is here to protect and provide
and demonstrate God's glory in a way that only a masculine a man can by.
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By the glory of God, you love it, but I think what ends up happening is they start to worry about
like their husbands catching a little a.
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Little bit of it and they start to worry about all the like, how are we going to stay in charge with
these guys, man, they're out here just you know, and and it's like, well, you know, we're here to
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serve you in the way we were designed to serve you.
And a lot of that has to do with leadership, you know, but there's but but I have such a heart for
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it.
You know, I have my mom raised me and I I get it.
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You know, they have their wounds, their fears that.
Their experiences, and so a strong man to a lot of them validated through trauma, especially if
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they're still living through that, is dangerous to them.
Well, right.
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And and yeah, misdirected.
Yep, misdirected strength.
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And, and rested.
I love the word rested.
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It's WREST, it's twisted, it's distorted.
So this rested masculinity, it's terrible.
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And this treats women so it gives them reason to fear.
I've heard you teach that that masculinity is is proven by results that.
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We love each other on this one, man.
It's so good expound on that, talk about that, because the one thing I'm always saying is like
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results don't lie.
Results don't lie.
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I just, I live by that and I teach it all the time.
Bro I heard you say it the other day and it inspired me and then I went on a tangent about it.
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So you like I was, you were like my results.
I was like.
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Yeah.
I I personally think it's Jesusy man.
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It's super Jesusy.
By your fruit you will know them.
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You know by their fruit you will know them.
I, I judge, but I don't condemn.
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You got pears going on, You're a pear tree.
You got apples going on, that's a apple tree.
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Now, I'm not God, I'm not saying whether you get to heaven or not, but in terms of where you line up
in my life, the level of the proximity I allow with me, my family, all these things, it's very much
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fruit driven.
And so when it comes to masculinity, I also believe it's very much fruit driven based on results.
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We understand the principles that you're running are powerful or not.
And as a man, one of the biggest things for me in Christianity was I and one of the biggest problems
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I had with church was there was no power.
There's no power.
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These people come into this building, do an emotional P90X every single emotional.
Calisthenics every year, you know what I mean?
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And there is just no power.
And I would travel the world and I would go to thousands, hundreds, at least hundreds of churches a
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year.
And I would come back to the same churches every year.
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And I'd look around and these people are in the same place, doing the same emotional.
Yeah.
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Like every Sunday.
And like, they're like frequent Flyers.
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They're just here for the emotion, for the dopamine.
And so I, I've, I've always kind of been like father if and, and don't get me wrong, like this drive
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hasn't always been a good thing, but I think a lot of men have this drive.
It's what drove me to drugs and that's what drove me to working out.
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That's what drove me is I need to know that what I'm doing is going to have an impact, right?
Like I'm going to do what's going to help me acquire power.
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Now, in the masculine spectrum of things, understand power without a purpose is a problem, OK.
And I think this is an equation that a lot of young men are are you get power almost by age, you
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start to become strong and you don't understand the purpose that that's there to serve people on
some high levels that God's given you that that, yeah, that it becomes a problem that we have that
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shooting and raping and doing all these crazy things, right.
But when you when you're acquiring this power to make it serve, it's amazing.
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And so when I look at my life and I look at the way that I'm trying to lead men, I feel so blessed
that God's, you know, given me the tools and the fruits to say, Hey, this is this is what the glory
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of God looks like.
I'm so blessed to say this was not.
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It's my responsibility to be obedient, but I'm not responsible for like, like this is, this is God
working at me.
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You know what I mean?
And I'm so blessed to be able to say like, like masculinity is results driven.
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It's not based on your feelings.
And, and, and it's our job to demonstrate that.
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And like, when you walk into the room and you're strong and you're healthy and your family's OK, and
it's like, it's not always going to be like that.
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You'll have your battles, but how do you go through that battles?
Let's see some results, homie.
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Your medals just get tested right now.
Let's see your results.
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It's, it's, it's a gift, man.
It's beauty.
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I love that brother.
I crazy love that.
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Well, and that's the my whole thing is the formidable family man and and to be formidable, to be
powerful, to be dangerous in the best way possible.
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And even some of the things you were just mentioning, there's like people will misuse power and
strength and masculinity to do wrong.
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And because that very thing exists, you and I, we have to be powerful to protect.
We have to be powerful to serve.
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We had to be formidable and dangerous.
And 100% and we have to rebrand it for, for Christianity, I believe I, it's been super, really cool
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to see like the people that God's been bringing into my life now these strong like juggernauts for
Jesus.
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Like all of a sudden there's just a, a, a tide has changed.
The winds have changed to where now I'm like being surrounded by these eagles, like these other
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lions, like the all the a lot of strong, formidable men that have the same vision.
And we're all starting to like work together to raise this next generation of men that have been so
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targeted.
And they don't they're, they're starting to realize it.
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And there's this pendulum that's swinging because usually it's just kind of like me.
And I'm like, you know, flying around doing my thing.
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But now it's like I'm seeing all these other eagles and it's like we're creating this like it's like
X-Men.
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You know, it's like The Avengers.
And I'm like, where'd you come from?
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I'm like, bro, do you know what I had to do to get up here?
And they're like, yeah, I had to do the same thing.
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And I'm like, well, that's great.
I get chills thinking about it.
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Super exciting.
But we're rebranding it, man.
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We're this is.
This is.
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I think now this brand of masculinity is what the glory of God looks like in a man.
You know the Bible says glorify God in your body.
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Like be fit, you know, be not conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing.
And like we're transformed like that soul issue, all these soul things, you have to work them out
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and gain the dominion God has over them, you know, and, and operating by the spirit.
If you haven't built your spirit, if you're not walking with God and, and at that level where your
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spirit man is mature, you're not really a fully developed man.
And I served with men that are better than me, that both died in Iraq, but also took their own
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lives.
When we're talking about macho, masculine stuff, have lots more friends to the civilian aspect of
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life, to the civilian sector that I did in combat.
And to me, that was one of our biggest indicators that being a real man didn't mean to, wasn't just
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because I went to war.
It had to do with how I developed into my soul, mind, will, and emotion realm of life, which is
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where you find the difference between strength and power, right?
My physical body gives me strength.
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Cool.
This house is safe because I'm here on some levels.
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But then in the soul realm, I start to realize that I have power and influence as I build businesses
and unify men in a certain direction.
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And then that's spirit level man.
When now you have authority in the earth and God gives you the power to get wealth to succeed, to
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protect your children from those nightmares to to change the shift atmospheres like, and if you're
not walking in maturity in all three of those levels, man, I, I don't, I can't.
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You're not.
You're not.
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You're not.
You're underdeveloped.
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Bro this level it's beautiful.
Super appreciate this.
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So the, the, the logo I created in this whole framework is it's the triple trifecta, right?
It's it's the ways to win.
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And the first one is fitness, but it's not physical fitness.
It's mind, body and spirit.
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It's like you, we've got to be mentally fit and character and, and emotions.
You have to be spiritually fit, right?
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The, the integrity, the growth, the connection and relationship with God and you got to be
physically fit.
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It's the whole man.
And if you leave one off, you're, you're going to miss it.
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Like it's not going to work.
But give me, hey, give me some specifics, brother, for you.
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Like when you think about the fruits, and I love how you're talking about that.
I was like, look, look, there's pears.
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They're pears.
There's apples, there's apples.
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Yeah.
But what are some of the specifics?
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So it's really palpable for people listening.
Yeah.
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What are some of those fruits you see in in a very.
A manly man, A formidable man.
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I would say that, you know, you can look at his Kingdom and you can tell that he's he's he's walking
in that level of dominion.
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So he's on purpose.
He is doing something in the in this earth.
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That is his mission from God, right?
And at times it might be your job, but I think you develop, I think as you get more into the
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Kingdom, God's going to give you something to, into this earth that's going to be a Kingdom work.
Because while you're out of day job, you're given the best of you, you're giving the best of your
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time, 9:00 to 5:00 Friday to Monday, You're given the best of your focus, your energy, all these
things.
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And I think eventually you kind of graduate to a place where you're birthing a brand, you're
birthing an organization that's serving on a high level and you're furthering Kingdom initiatives in
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some way.
I think that's a sign of maturity.
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And and, and, and you know, Christ is the King of kings and this we're the kings that he's the king
of and the Kingdom that we're building here, right?
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So he has.
Brother, I love that.
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Oh my goodness, he's the king of and and we have to choose to be a king.
Under him, the Kingdom, yeah.
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A lot of us are king like little pawns or or we're we're watching for the idolize.
We're not even participating and 100% we're not being a king in our own kingdoms. 100% man and we're
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afraid to step in because we don't know who who we are because we don't know whose we are and we
don't know the authority that he has for us, man.
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And so another massive 1 is he has the that soul level of dominion.
So wife, family situation scenarios, things are acting on him, but he is able to operate.
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He's not reactive.
He has a high level of emotional intelligence.
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This would be the way the world would say it, right?
So things are acting upon him and you know exactly where you're at when, when stress comes, if you
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go into faith or fear, right?
Because that that really quite literally tells you what Kingdom you're really, really building,
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right?
Are you playing it safe?
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Are you protecting yourself?
Are you protecting your ego?
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Or are you able to sit with something and find a way to get yourself into trust and father?
No, no.
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I know what's going to happen here because I know whose I am.
You know, I I know what's going to happen here because I know what my father says about this.
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I know what my father says about me, Right.
People in every area.
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How do?
You.
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How do you know that?
Right?
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How do you know that?
How do you know that?
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Right?
No, because you're doing the work.
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The spiritual disciplines, man, the spirit.
And so we're talking about implementation, you know.
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So on that soul level, the spiritual disciplines are what you read the Word, which is helping you
identify and understand and integrate the character of God, demonstrations of the power of God, the
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patterns of masculinity with God.
As you see, like I, I read the Psalms all the time, you know, and, and I'm learning from David and
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his heart posture towards God and the way that God works with him and his imperfections and what God
says.
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Like the word is so awesome because it's literally like in a book, this is, this is God, right?
And then you're praying and you're worshiping and you're having contact with him, which is giving
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you proximity to him that you can.
The way I interact with my wife is informed by the way I see God interacting with me as he's helping
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me become a better man, as I'm struggling with our children and with our chill.
Yeah.
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So you learn fatherhood and husband Dre, whatever it is from your proximity and relationship with
him.
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And so this helps you master the soul realm.
The things that I struggled with three, 4-5 years ago, I'm not struggling with as much because of
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those spiritual disciplines and, and and the proximity I have with the father.
My wife doesn't control me.
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The reason this this.
Whole thing still exists.
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It is because.
God has been able to get a hold of my heart and I live to represent him in the world, which causes
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me to be a better father, a better husband, a better businessman, a better all these things.
And so the fruit of that is, you see, it's not necessarily that everything's always perfect.
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You're going to go through your trials, but there's a, a way of walking through these things that is
love, faith, servanthood, strength and dominion, you know, And then ultimately, you know, you'll see
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that a man that is respectable organically has respect in a lot of different circles.
Yep.
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And absolutely.
At home, yes.
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In the marketplace, yes, but I don't, you know, and, but there's times when, you know, I've had to
earn these people's respect, right?
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And I had to just be respectable, you know?
Well, and that's how it is.
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Respect is earned even for ourselves.
In fact, it starts with ourselves.
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Like, a lot of men struggle respecting themselves because they're not doing respectable things.
They're right.
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About themselves.
Yeah, exactly.
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And so when we step that up, I think, I think you articulated so well, one of the fruits of of pure
beautiful masculinity is progress.
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Progress makes you.
Change.
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I'm not struggling with the things I was struggling with before because because you and I like we
have no business being the same man this year that we were last year.
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We've got to be moving forward.
Yep, that's and I don't care how good you were last year.
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Yeah, 100%, a hundred percent, 100%.
I was having this conversation because I talked to someone else who said like men feel like they're
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never good enough.
And I was like, I was like chewing on it and I was chewing on it.
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And I didn't want to directly oppose the guy because the context of the conversation, but I was
like, I don't.
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So they say, God, I'll never put on you more than you can bear.
But the interesting thing is, I've got no idea.
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What I can bear?
And as my father, he has the task of helping me to be more and more like him.
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The same way I look at my son, my new Marines, certain employees, now I've got to bring out of them
this potential that I know, I know from experiences in them.
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He's looking at me like I've got to bring God out in this guy.
I know it's in there.
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And so I trust and I push and, and, and try to give the widows mite, if you will, this imperfect
vessel and make it as good as I can to give him a higher quality, you know, offering essentially to
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do something with.
But it's really cool when you start there.
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And I was like, no, I don't know what's what's good enough because he's going to be the one to
ultimately tell me that and we're going to keep taking territory.
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I love that and and I'm I'm right with you on that brother.
I think it's in my mind.
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I'm never like I've never arrived.
In fact, I I told my wife I'm like they I will never ask you to love me for who I am because I do
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not plan on staying here.
I am not staying and.
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We can either, we can either level up or level off and that kind of like, oh, I'm not good enough.
It's just leveling off attitude and nobody ever coasted to the top and God will not let U.S.
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Coast.
So if we hand over our hearts like he's going to draw so much more out of us than we think we're
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capable of.
And you literally can't listen to the world like the world will be like you're special just for
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being.
Here like you can't listen to bro don't.
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I mean, even your Mama might try to tell you you're special, but don't listen to them, bro.
Don't hang out with the boys and start pushing.
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Start pushing.
Let's smack you around a little bit.
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Yeah, man, let's go.
OK, let's, let's shift gears a little bit.
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I, I got to ask because of your background.
I got it.
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We we got to talk a little bit about protection, absolutely.
And protecting our families.
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So just give us give us a, a quick rundown, man, because you've been in this for so long and you've
seen it from so many angles.
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As men, how can we be better protectors?
Yeah.
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I think that so much of masculinity and so much of the formidableness that that God would that makes
him happy and that we see in various men of God throughout the Bible, David, Gideon, I mean John the
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Baptist, all these guys, you know, is a lot of it starts in the realm of physicality.
How good of a steward are you being with physicality?
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Your first physical enterprise?
Let man have dominion down here.
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God and Satan both need bodies to execute down here.
So the quality of your offering, you know, in terms of your physicality is massive.
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And with the values and habits and character traits that come with developing that physicality comes
a stronger mind comes.
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I'm in the gym praying most of the time I'm in the gym praying and talking to God and you know, like
have like father, I think that you've given me the strength, Father.
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They I I almost before I lift almost anything heavy, I'm like, thank you for giving me the strength.
I'm just giving him thanks to him who has more will be given and to him who doesn't have even which
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he has to be taken from him and given to him who has right.
So I sit there and that's that's an act of worship.
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That is connection time with my father.
And then we get into just the reality of the Garden of Eden, you know, like Satan was permitted to
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walk into the garden and kick it with Eve and talk to Eve.
And the Bible says the man that was there with her, she handed the fruit to the man who was there
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with her.
So the next thing for me, especially on a spiritual level, is I'm watching what is entering my home.
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And God has anointed us and given us the office of protection.
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And so making sure these eye, the eye gates and the ear gates and the environments and even gifts
that are given to my family, these things are sanctified and or like meet the meet the discernment
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test.
It's huge.
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And you will have to tell your wife, kids, son, whoever it is.
Hey, I love you with all my heart, but I'm sorry you can't watch this As for that's not coming in
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because I As for from the bottom of my heart, I feel like God wouldn't be happy with.
So I can't do it and I'm responsible.
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He's not going to walk into the garden and ask for Eve.
He's going to ask for me, you know.
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So that's a level of protection, I think.
That's not talked about, Yes, And you'll have to fight the hyenas at the gates around the pack of
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lions, and sometimes you'll have to fight the lions.
At the same.
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Time to protect, you know, Christ's preception, your home and do it and do it, you know, So you
know, those are two big things.
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Go ahead.
Those are the yeah, and even the Bible talks about that, you know, fear the things that can hurt the
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body, but fear the things most that can hurt the soul, right?
And and that's true.
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We have to be protecting the, the media, the, the content, the attitudes, even the, the fighting,
the dynamics in the home, the family legacy, all that stuff.
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There's there's a a lot of men could use some help with the, the physical production practical, the
practical and, and, and it comes with skill sets.
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You know this because because you live it and you teach it.
Right.
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Let's talk for a minute about skill development.
Like if you if you pick a skill and and you want to acquire skill, talk about the price tag that
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comes on a skill.
Yeah.
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And I think having a realistic understanding of that is massive.
Like a lot of guys will get into the gym, martial arts, whatever it is, and they'll act like like
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they'll want to see results and the reality of this game, competitive shooting, whatever it is, the
reality of anything.
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And when it comes to skill building, my advice is just choose to do this for at least five years.
Understand that mastery is going to take about 10 years and just be a white belt man, be a white
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belt and create and act from that space, you know, So like, you know, with my skills, you know, I've
done, I've moved through the hand to hand stuff, but what I've really been into a lot is just the
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competitive shooting realm, like, and I'm a pretty decently qualified competitive shooter.
But like as I've been submitting to that process, there's no way to rush.
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You just have to play your position right.
Same thing as in the gym, same thing as as any of these skills.
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You have to go on a mature pathway to progress and understand where you're at.
If you get in the gym and you start trying to lift too much weight, you're going to injure yourself.
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If you get out there and you're in competition and you're trying to go too fast, you're not going to
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any of the targets.
If you get on the mats and you try to operate at a level you can't operate, it's going to be a rough
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day of getting choked out and.
You're going to learn at that honor system in that Dojo or in that mat room is going to go on ahead
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and make sure you understand where you where you really, really are.
But what's so precious about these places where skills are developed is they keep you honest.
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They keep you honest because 315 lbs is always 315 lbs.
When I go to the mats, I'm going to know where I really actually stack up.
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When I, when that deeper sounds and I get done running my string of fire, I'm going to know this is
how accurate and this is how fast you were today.
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And, and the reality is, this is what protects you from arrogance and arrogance is inaccurate
confidence.
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Confidence comes from experience and experience with yourself and your God.
And these places make you a real man because you're you become accurate in your understanding of who
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you are and what you do.
As long as you stay in it, you, you keep getting a a reality check, right?
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Because we do that.
None of us live at the level of our hopes.
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We live at the level of our habits, right?
So I, I can think I'm I'm so fast and so strong and I'm so tough.
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And then man, I can just get.
Smoked.
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Yeah and it's it's it's not even a bad thing, man.
It's like it's like when you really in it, you start to appreciate it like you start to like you can
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go to the mats and get wrecked and it's a whole nother love language.
It protects you against being the area, but you're still light.
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Years have had of everybody who didn't go get choked out that day.
Like there's two types of people, people that have mouthpieces and people that don't.
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And there's a version of you you get to know when you step into these places.
And it's not a version of you.
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You already know if you don't step into these places and you want to get to know this version of you
before you're on the streets finding out about this version of you, right?
45:18
And so this is this is the path to be.
Coming for a minute, yeah, man, you, you want to get, you want to find, you want to have all your
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weaknesses and.
Exposed.
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You're, you want them all exposed in a safe place in the gym, not on the streets when, when there's
higher stakes.
45:36
One thing, one thing that comes to mind as you're talking about this is just sheer volume of reps.
I mean, the the amount of rounds that need to go through your firearms to improve proficiency and
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speed.
Yeah, the amount of drills we have to do until it becomes automatic.
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Volume matters so much.
So much because you, the, the maturation process happens in volume, the amount of times you got to
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get choked out and the amount of times you got to shoot the amount of, to really even be able to
have a mature conversation about the tool, the capability or the skill.
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And, and, and, and I would also, you know, not to go too far back in the spiritual, but that's what
I learned this, you know, this multiple times with God as I've gone through desert periods of my
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life where I've been relying on him every time.
What he's doing is he's helping me understand the dependability of my, his identity and thus my
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ability to impact reality with him.
And so like when it comes to skill building you guys and when it comes to to leaning into becoming a
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formidable man in reality, which I still think comes it's close to 1st.
Like the level of certainty you can walk around with in your abilities and calmness and genuineness
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is, I think directly attached in so many ways to your level of physical formidability.
Like it, it impacts these other things.
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Otherwise, you're the guy who's just.
So in the spirit, so, but like people are looking at you and you just don't have all the fruit, you
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know.
And this isn't about being macho.
47:14
It's not about having all the tattoos.
It's not about being a jacked guy, it's about just knowing what you're capable of.
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And I think you nailed it, man, with progress.
Knowing that, you know what, this week I'm a little better than I was yesterday last week.
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And then you stack that for three. 4.
Ten years, bro, you're operating at a level the areas of my life that I've done that I'm operating
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at a level that people think is a miracle, but it's just what happens if you sway God created
reality rest.
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In the game, because the results don't lie.
They don't.
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They tell the truth.
I.
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Love that.
Oh, my goodness.
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OK, I'm just going to ask some, some random fun questions because your, your life experience is so
unique.
47:58
There's some there's some lessons there that none of the rest of us are going to have that that I
want to kind of glean from just just a random question here.
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Favorite, favorite weapon?
You have to have a weapon.
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Favorite weapon?
A knife?
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A handgun?
A dog?
48:14
It's interesting, yeah.
Really, it's interesting.
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Explained.
Yeah, I mean, I'm a firearm guy.
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I am most dangerous with a pistol.
That's like my that's just, I can do the most with a pistol.
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That's where I operate at a level that most humans don't, as you know, as you see by the, the, you
know, the scores and all that stuff at but the most formidable weapon for me would be my AR man.
48:39
Like you can just.
I can do so much with that.
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Yeah, I can do so much with that thing.
It's.
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Awesome.
Yeah.
48:46
We're we I don't, I I don't have the permissions you do to have when traveling around the world.
So I oh man, I gotta have other other ones.
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OK, cool.
That's that's good.
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What caliber handgun?
Just out of curiosity?
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OK, Yeah, a certain brand that you love.
Yes, man, Why are they not coming to me right now?
49:07
It's because I'm having a Oh my goodness, I might have to.
I have them on me right here.
49:16
Oh, man, the what are my guys?
It's not, it's not on the actual round.
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Anyways, you listen.
So I'm going to have to get you the answer by the end of this thing because these guys are awesome
49:27
or they're Christians.
G9G9 ammo, bro, G9.
49:32
So these guys are Christians.
They're good men.
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My man who created the ammo, he said God, God told me this design and this has become, I don't know
if I can show you this on here if you'll get banned or anything, but the, the design of the
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projectile, you know, hollow points have been kind of all the craze.
Yeah, Yeah.
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But this is the future of ammo technology because wow, this actually stays together, penetrates a
lot more than other ammunition, does a lot more, and causes a larger wound cavities.
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G9 ammo is where it's at.
Christian based.
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And I would also say the reason 9 is because we're practicing a lot.
I found the guys that have larger calibers don't be really practicing that much.
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This is my, you know, I don't know, maybe, maybe not.
You go with the baby caliber, like that's a really expensive training day.
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Yeah, bro.
OK, let's shift gears now in your work with like protecting, you know, the, the, the big church in
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the ministries and then millionaires and billionaires and, you know, close to 80 countries.
You don't.
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And, and so I've traveled with my family to close to 70 countries.
You don't get around.
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Yeah, with my family.
That's awesome.
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It's been amazing.
And I, I love the world and I, I love what I learned from it and, and the connections, the people,
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the places, God's beautiful creation.
It's amazing.
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But but you don't travel that much, you know, to get around that penny people with, without some
experiences that teach you something.
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So tell us some stories or some big lessons, some takeaways over these years of, of unique, you've
had a very unique opportunity.
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What are some big experiences or lessons that came from that that would be beneficial for us as men
to be like, you know, we're not likely to have that experience, but there's a lesson, I think, for
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all of us.
One of the biggest ones that comes to mind pretty instantly is just culture, you know, like no
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matter what, no matter what the culture is.
So the sense of right and wrong, I think it's is in the heart of every man to a certain extent.
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But culture is a crazy thing.
And there are things that are in cultures that they don't think are wrong and you just have no idea.
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And so like in Iraq, we're clearing houses.
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And there were a couple times where we would, you know, go out the back door and clear the rest of
the yard.
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And there'd be like a kid on a string out there starving, getting eaten alive by flies.
A kid like, not a kid like a like a infant, you know, just out there, just he didn't eaten alive by
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flies because he'd been starved to death suffering from brain damage, you know, and we'd be like,
how can they explain this?
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And so, you know, you go back in the house and you're trying to save this kids life and you're just
like, like, what's going on?
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And then they're the Iraqis are like, what's up?
Like what's wrong, bro?
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You want some Chai?
You want some?
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And you're like, what are you doing?
And they're like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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He was, he was like handicapped, like he's no good.
Just put him back out there and you're like, what do you talk like this is a human like this guy,
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this child, OK, he has something wrong with him.
But you can't just, you know, and those were some really tough moments where we, you know, had to
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like accept the fact that like culture and, you know, just because you do things a certain way or
view things a certain way in your world, it's.
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Just not universal.
Is it really real to everyone else?
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So you know, those were different things, you know, the way men treat women, different things like
that, like just you're when you're in different places, you have to be very mindful of of the
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different rules there and in some cases the different principalities and powers there and the spirit
realms and the different rulers in high places over there, you know, because there's different
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impacts and different atmospheres.
You know, that was a massive 1 for me and I knew a lot of that because I've traveled since I was
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young.
Let's see what else would I say from travelling that there's multiple layers in every reality,
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right?
So when you go to an environment, you know, there's the tourist layer and then there's the reality
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that the people live, you know, there's a subculture to even that.
And understanding how to move through those different cultures is very valuable, really valuable
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actually.
Depending on what's going on in that.
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Environment, you know, understanding the social dynamics around being able to access those cultures
and get those cultures to protect you or provide you with information, tools, access of multiple
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different types, huge.
And I would say that the currency that is probably the most valuable in any culture is respect and
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honor.
And if you can find a way to do that and be that, especially if you're a respectable human from a
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different culture where they look at you and you have various signals about you that say this is
like a like a chief or a higher ranking respectable person from X culture and you show respect to
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their culture, your respect then is even more amplified, right?
Absolutely.
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If you're physically formidable and you seem, you know, like you, you're, you're a good person,
they'll be like your respect goes even farther now, like, come on.
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Inside, have some real cooking, some real food.
What do you need?
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How can I help you?
Like it's interesting to see these things.
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And there's beautiful experiences and then there's sad ones, Man.
I, you're exactly right about the layers.
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And I would say this is probably in every society, in every culture.
You don't realize it unless you're keenly aware of it, but you're walking through layers.
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There's like, the way to see it is like the cruise ship stops and they've put up this little facade
and you're like, oh, this is, this is great.
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And two streets back.
It's like where all the people really live.
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And then two.
On that is, is where the, where the crime is happening.
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And, and there's those layers of yeah, the facade and then society and then, then there's the
darkness.
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And I've been able to help in some situations to try to rescue people and, and bring people out of
dark places.
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And you literally arrive and, and go, you know, through the layers to get back to those spots.
And I, and I think it's important for all of us as men to know that, you know, it's not obvious
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unless you're looking for it, but in every place, in every society, we are looking at layers and to
be aware of that.
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Yep.
And then to realize, I think in a lot of cases you're God's developing you to operate whatever layer
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that he wants you to operate at like that.
Like if you're getting given more strength, like if you're developing strength and you're like, you
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might be getting called to a place where you need to fight more formidable enemies darker. 100%.
You know, like you're, you might have to slay a dragon like you're like.
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That's where we're going.
Do you know what I mean?
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Like by the grace of God, for sure, he might be putting you in a position where you know like if
you're.
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If God's building your faith and calling you closer to him and you're finding that you have to kill
the tiger, the lion, and then you got to kill the bear and all these different things at work, like
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that's cuz Goliath is somewhere in your path, bro.
And God's preparing you.
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And so, you know, that's why I you.
Better have that clean shot ready.
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Yeah, well, that's real.
You better.
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You could have just got anointed to be king of the of Israel, but you better go back out there and
tend those sheep and you better practice what you sling.
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Be faithful in what you've been given right now, you know.
Yeah, and that time will come.
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And then when the lion shows up, kill him the way God tell you when the bear shows up, same thing,
you know, And that's that's masculinity, man.
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It's it's was I was I diligent this morning with with this day that you gave me God like did I, you
know, I woke up God, God's been doing this thing where he's been waking me up at 3:00 AM so.
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So, you know, and, and it was really cool like the.
There last week it was more about warfare and I and I would feel like a quickening in the spirit get
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up right.
And then this week yesterday it was like that too.
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That was something boomed 00 in the morning like on the dot, like surgical.
I was like, OK.
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Cool.
And then this morning I was like, do you know you're going to let me sleep tonight?
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And then this morning it was like it was totally a different vibe.
Yesterday.
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It was like, burn the house down for a time to get into it, get deeper.
This this morning he was like, hey, man, want to hang out?
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Like it was like, I know it's early, but like, good morning, Doug.
You know, they want to just kind of hang out a little bit.
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And I was like, it was, it felt very optional and it was gentle.
And I was like, yeah, I mean, yeah, we let's get, yeah, I'll seek your face, man.
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Let's go.
And every time there's a gift in there.
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So I don't know what's the best way to learn I.
Love it.
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I feel like you were just saying, I feel God is calling me and calling many, many men to become
assets, to be useful, to be helpful, to be prepared.
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So, so I'll tell a quick story.
I was, I was trained, I was doing triathlons for a while and then we moved to Costa Rica and I
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didn't know they were doing them.
So I kind of took a break and I was still, you know, training, but not, not hard.
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And so then my buddy call, he's like, Oh, there's this Xterra triathlon you want in.
I'm like, of course I'm in.
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Let's go.
And this thing just wasted me, just beat me.
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I I was.
Not you out.
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Oh man, big long swim in the the hot, humid jungle.
The hardest bike ride I've ever done in my life.
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It was brutal.
My legs all cramped up.
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My hamstrings were seizing and Charlie horses and and I get back to the running station.
I'm trying to put on my shoes and my legs are all cramping up is terrible.
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And I'm I'm trying to run.
I feel like I'm running on noodles and I fall down and both my legs just seize up and and I was done
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like I was cooked.
I couldn't even finish triathlon while I'm laying there.
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I just, I, this, this message just comes from heaven.
When the time to perform has arrived, the time to prepare has passed.
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And, and I and I try to live by that and I try to share that message like we need to be assets to
our wives and to our children, to our communities.
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And when the time to perform arrives, the time to prepare has passed.
And so we need to be up and diligent and and being ready capable men in in God's quiver.
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Ready to to be called to his purposes to to do good.
This is so big, man and I I, I'm right there with you, man.
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Like I'm right there with you like I'm training for a moment and I know I'm going to know when that
moment is.
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And the thing, the really cool thing is like you're tithing like you're investing all these micro
moments like I'm at the gym this morning, I'm on my knees this morning, I'm at the gym this morning
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and these are all the moments.
It's really interesting.
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It's like these are the moments that make all the difference.
I remember when I was going to war, like I was in the gym, I was training, I was out with the boys
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every moment I could, you know, But this is what I'm doing now because this is the war that we're
engulfed in right now.
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And these moments, you know, sewing, continuing to sew, like, all right, we're going to go hit the
range.
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All right, we're going to the mats, all right, I'm on my knees.
These micro moments of preparation are going to make it so that when Goliath shows up again, when
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Godzilla, whichever one we were doing this time, Loch Ness, Monster, King Kong, whatever it is, when
it comes, there's, there's, there's an investment that's been made, there is deposits there.
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I know who my God is because every morning I was like, father, I think you can give me the strength.
Father, help me to do this.
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And, and you know, and, and when things show up in the house, by the grace of God, we've been able
to cast them down and cut them down.
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When financial things show up, like we're constantly using this muscle of faith, we're constantly
developing this experiential relationship with God so that there are deposits there.
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And the in my in my experience, this is how God's preparing us for this massive moment.
And so that when that moment arrives, whether I'm at 711 and there's a shooting or I got to get my
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family or my clients out, or it's just the next war or whatever happens, there is, there are
deposits that were made, man.
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And I, I love what you're saying, dude.
I was saying the same thing this morning in the gym.
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I was like, I'm training for that moment, but I'm not letting any of these moments pass me by.
I'm working the muscle of stepping in, you know, and, and so God has something to work with on that
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day.
And it's the widow's mind giving the best I got him giving me a little bit more.
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And, and when the day comes, it might be a sling and a stone, but that's what he's been sharpened.
Exactly, And then the same thing is true with our marriages and fatherhood, like literally what you
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just described there making those deposits, showing up in those moments, being there for our wives,
refining ourselves to be better listeners for her and and to be better examples.
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I was just, I was just thinking about, you know, we all need to be asking ourselves the questions is
fathers like, is my life worth emulating?
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Because that's exactly what my kids are doing.
It's so good.
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I was kicking that around and I was like, you guys had you already hit this once?
I was like, you got to be respectable like all this, like, like your wife and your kids should be
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watching you the way you live and the way you wrap around the house.
They should be like this guy.
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Like I can't do what this guy's doing.
Like this guy, he's the, the, the, the first one up.
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He's working on himself.
The way he's reacting, the way he's fasted, the way that he's waking up in the morning, the way he's
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putting in work, the way he's, you know, one of the most beautiful things in my life is my wife has
watched me because all I've had is, is the Lord.
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So I feel like I have, I have an advantage.
But like all I had growing up was God, like helping me figure out where I'm gonna get lunch, you
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know, like, and, and, and walking me through these things.
And so like, you know, and now it's, it pays off so big, you know, and blessed are you guys who
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haven't had that, that believe and that still walk it out, you know, like, I feel so fortunate for
having it, you know, And so now the most beautiful things is my wife will hear me declare things and
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she'll see us get challenged by things.
And I'm like, well, God's going to work it out.
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And that means something now.
And so now she gets the rest of the peace that passes all understanding in the eye of the storm from
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seeing that demonstrated.
And So what I'm saying is let your family see you.
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Use these tools of prayer, supplication, fasting.
Be the first example of how to worship God in front of them.
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Demonstrate this spiritual walk and let them see the fruit of that in you and then and and and it it
will make all the difference.
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Man, they should be watching you being like, I can't be like that guy.
That's my dad, beautiful.
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I'm following this dude.
So you won't need a Bible.
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You're respectable first and foremost.
You know exactly and they can make a decision.
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Man, what what I hear you sharing is is that you pray and depend on God because everything depends
on Him, but you also get up and put in the work like everything depends on you.
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I say it all the time man, you better pray to God like he's your he cuz he is your only salvation.
He gives you the power to succeed but you better work like he ain't coming.
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You know what I'm saying that so when I got blown up, when I got blown up, I said that to him.
I said, Father, you know, like if you give me another chance to live, I was like, I may never be all
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the things that you called me to be.
But I promise if you send me back, I'm going to go so hard.
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I said I'm going to go so hard in the paint.
I am going to do the best I can to be to be everything that you've.
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I may never get there, but I'm going to give everything I have.
And so that's always been it.
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And you know what, that's what he blesses, you know, that's what I have found.
He blesses, you know, like I'm trying to be a superhuman as possible.
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You know, I just want to be a good steward with what he's given me.
And that's what he and he shows up and meets me on the battlefield and I'm like, let's go.
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I love it, he always does.
He's always.
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Inspiring in our favor.
Yeah.
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I love that.
Oh yeah, brother, this has been so awesome.
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I appreciate you so much.
This has been a blast.
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Any any last thoughts?
Any last words?
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Any last message that we haven't touched on that you think?
Yeah, this is got to share it from my heart.
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Yeah.
I mean, I would just say I know that there's a high volume of men out there that I've that that are
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coming from kind of a deficit of masculinity.
You know, like they've been attacked biologically without realizing it because it's Dang endocrine
1:06:15
disruptors and everything around.
Us, you know, there's estrogen in the water and birth control in the water and like they don't
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realize, you know, and they've been attacked, you know, you maybe didn't have a dad so your quality
of life was dependent on.
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Female acceptance from your mom, except feminine acceptance for your mom.
So you've already been programmed like that.
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You, you went to school and you had female teachers and so you're seeking acceptance from females
there.
1:06:40
And like you're in this world now and you're, you're trying to figure out kind of find your way and
you see two masculine dudes appear like a dude, the triathlon dude with a beard and a black tatty
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tattoo muscle guy with a beard and you're.
Looking at us like how could I ever be these guys?
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Like how would this is so far from you know?
And I just want you to know, man, like we all had to start somewhere by the grace of God, and
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there's no shame.
You nailed it, Greg.
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You said progress, progress, man.
This is such a massive, massive metric for how you're stewarding what you've been given as a man.
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So whether you're £300 or and 50 lbs, whatever it is, or you're just the smallest, weakest guy that
you, you know in your mind that you come across, get started.
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God want, don't despise small beginnings like the Bible says and get in there and, and let and let
God show you what he can do with you.
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I was a little fat dyslexic mama's boy who never I, I never like nothing was easy.
I was not the fastest guy in the Marine Corps.
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I was, and I remember just being like, well, I may never get there.
When I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna give him my best and I will come back here tomorrow
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and I'm gonna give him my best.
And God is just he just gonna see me give him my best till something happens.
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And then 5-10 years you look back and dudes you're looking at you like, how did you get this?
Skill, this competence, these results is fruit.
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And you're like, well, I guess I, I guess I stayed in here long.
Enough to be that guy what people are asking questions of now.
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And that's.
The magic dude.
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So don't just buy small beginnings.
Just get in there.
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Work on whatever The thing is that that pains you the most.
Do the thing you fear until the death of fear is certain, by the grace of God to get there.
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Ah, Amen.
Amen.
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That is awesome.
OK, I'm going to put in the show notes, I'll put all kinds of links and everything, but where?
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Where do you want people to go to connect with you and learn from you, Get into to what you're
offering?
1:08:39
Awesome.
I'd say Instagram's the best place.
1:08:41
That's where I post everything first, really to the most lives.
So Byron Rogers actual Rogers with a DBYRONRODGERS under score actual.
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Perfect.
I'll throw that in there, brother.
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I look forward to the day when you and I can get on a range and, and pull the trigger together and,
and have some fun and do some other cool stuffs connects our families.
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Love you brother.
Thank you.
1:09:06
Thanks for being here, man.
Thanks for what you're doing and, and the message you're sharing and, and how you're leading and
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being a man and, and honoring God and, and showing men how to do that.
Thank you so much.
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Hey, thanks for having me, Greg.
It's an honor to be here.
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And what a ministry, man.
I'm just so blessed by knowing how I had to grow up with, with God leading me and then seeing like
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guys like yourself doing these things and doing these things in my.
It's just so exciting, man.
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God is good, Yeah.
It's awesome.
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It's a good work.
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