Episode 277: "x402 Bitch!"

0:00 Podcasting 2-1-0 for October 30th, 2026, episode 277. X-402, bitch! It's a rainy day in the hill country, but we are happy to be here in the boardroom. Yes, this is the official board meeting of Podcasting 2.0, where everything gets discussed. Everything is on the table. No holds barred. It's a knock-down, drag-out brawl. And of course, we got 50,000 nitro-burning funny cars. Actually, we're the only board meeting where the index started catching the copycats. I'm Adam Curry, here in the heart of the Texas Hill Country, and in Alabama, the man who builds clone detectors for all the lawyers out there. Say hello to my friend on the other end, the one, the only, the Podsage, Mr.

0:46 Dave. Jones! My brother. Yes, my brother. What's up, my brother? You now are no agenda... You know, like, it's over. I have no no agenda. Yeah. You truly have no no agenda. That's right. No no agenda. That's right. No no agenda. When you woke up this morning, what was life like? Kind of the same. You know, the business end of things still needs to be worked out. It's been a little painful. Uh-huh. which kind of sucks.

1:26 It's just what it is. It's like a divorce. Yeah, it's like a divorce. But otherwise, I'm pretty good. I'm looking forward to the new season. Wow, you hear the rain? It's crazy. It's Cats and Dogs? It's kind of cats and dogs. We have a metal roof, so that's the only bad part of the studio. Everything else is perfectly isolated, but you can't stop the clattering of the rain on the metal roof. When it's a light rain, it's peaceful. When it's a heavy rain, you feel like you're in a storm. You're about to blow away. Well, the noise gate is just weird. It's like, what's going on? I mean, I hear this stuff. I don't think anyone else notices probably. Nobody. Zero. So, yeah. So I feel good. There's a lot of work to be done.

2:14 A lot of things to do, and I'm glad that we finished strong. I'm glad that it ended when it ended. I would have hated to see it peter out, you know. And it was time. It was time for me, for sure. It was time for me. It was time to move on. Is the show going to continue in some way without you, or is it toast? No, no, no. The show, everything. We're going to keep the website up and the files will remain up, so that'll continue to be an archive. everything else goes away, which I think is the right way to do it. I mean, you know, when Scott Adams died, then people picked it up, like the school of Scott Adams or something.

2:59 It's just horrible. That's weird. I don't like that. I mean, it could have gone different ways, you know, but I initially thought that we could make it work. Darren and Larry but not all shareholders agreed no shareholders Yeah, in all hands? Yeah, exactly. So, you know, it's like, so there's just lingering stuff that has to be cleared up, but that will eventually work itself out. What about the stream? The stream changed to void0.stream, which I'm very happy about. So it's no longer noagenda stream, noagendastream.com, noagenda.stream, whatever it is. So that switched to voidzero.stream, voidzero community radio, value for value. So people are supposed to support him for that, which is good. And the IRC server was always his. So that just remains the... So nothing changes there, which is good. And I'm happy about that because that would have really sucked if the IRC server had to be shut down. That would have not been fun. Now, does we get to do this? Does that take over the stream as well? No. No. You don't do that live? No. That's the one thing. I mean, that was really the biggest issue for – For almost two decades, it's like always start on time. Kind of the opposite of how a podcast is supposed to work.

4:32 Yeah, I can record it and then you'll get it eventually. Although I'm very staunch about, you know, if you have a podcast, try and release it on YouTube. Well, definitely release it on the same day as you always do and try to release it around the same time because people – schedule their lives around this stuff. Oh, yeah, I got a new episode. If it's not there, it's a real bummer. And then people are like, well, maybe I'll find something else and they might find something else and they may not come back. But when you record it, that shouldn't make any difference. And And really, you know, so we have a nice little board meeting and, you know, it's a separate room, a separate channel.

5:16 I don't really think that would work very well with Christians. You know, because either you moderate the thing heavily Which is a huge pain in the butt. Or you don't moderate it. And I like unmoderated. But I don't, you know, a lot of people are like, eh, I don't like the troll room because, you know, there's just stuff that gets said. And people. It's trolls. It's trolls. Exactly. It's trolls. The board meeting is a little different. But there's sometimes trolly behavior. But that's okay. You know, but not, not, no. So. I'm okay. I'm okay with that. Although I think that there is better engagement, and I do like working with a live studio audience. I really do. It's fun. My whole posture is tuned towards it. So even though the boardroom scrolls by on the right-hand side out of the periphery, of my vision. I see stuff all the time. Like, oh, okay, man, pay attention. You know, I just see stuff. And I've always liked that. I've always liked that kind of feedback. But no, it's a different kind of show. And, you know, we're also bringing back Curry and the Keeper. Oh, hey, now, next thing you're going to tell me you're bringing back a Booster Grand Ball. No, although I saw on the helipad, thank you very much, Eric PP, I saw we got an update, and of course, everything is now actually working, now that I have Start 9 OS 4, I think it is, I see a lot of... streaming sats from Sir TJ the Wrathful from V4V Music.com for

6:49 the Booster Grand Ball which is very interesting something booted up there it's kind of cool something just came back to life something booted up man something happened I was like okay that's cool I dig it I dig it Okay, well, it's going to take a few weeks, I feel like, for your body to... Maybe longer for your body to not get like for it not to be Wednesday or Saturday and your body be getting ready for the next thing. Like you're going to have to like tell it. Yeah. Train it not to anticipate Thursday and Sunday. I think you're right. 19 years. Yeah. Yeah, I think you're probably right. You know, the Wednesday evenings, the Thursday – well, all day Thursday, all day Sunday except for church. Yeah. Sunday will probably, you know, Thursday is like, well, I can take a Godcaster meeting. How about that? On a Thursday? On a Thursday? What's going on?

7:46 You know, and so that, yeah, I'm sure it'll take a little bit. You know, I'm still, I haven't decided what to do with my robots yet, how I want to use them. I think I still... I mean, I still want to know what's going on. I'm not stopping that. You know, this has been a part of my life. I'm still going to save articles and look at stuff, you know, before we get to do this as well, because there's still a fair amount of media deconstruction in that show. And I just I like knowing what's going on. I was thinking. You know, the robot will sometimes create easily 60 or 70 clips for me for a show. Maybe I'll just have it build that and I'll just listen to it. You know, I'll just listen to the clip. Okay, yeah, yeah. I know what's going on. Yeah. It's like doing a podcast with no hosts.

8:34 And it's just a podcast for me. Yeah, maybe I turn it into a feed. Yeah, just put it on my phone. Yeah, there you go. Another vibe coding discovery. Yes, lovely. Lovely, lovely. I like it. Which brings me to a clip from Pod News Weekly Review. Oh, you're going straight there. Yeah, yeah. They're trying to piss me off and they're doing a good job. What did they do? Well, here you go. A couple of weeks ago, we had Adam on the show and Adam's been talking about AI-agentic personalized apps and using them for discovery. He's admonished us several times now. It's not about removing ads.

9:16 It's about discovery. Get it right. So let me get it right. It is about discovery. And that's what Adam's saying, that his agentic is going off and finding himself. So again, I think a lot of people are building stuff to go and find other ways of discovering discovery. more content. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think you can certainly, you can certainly see that if Muse or, you know, Claude knows so much about me because I've given it access to, so much stuff because what could go wrong with that? If it knows so much about me, then actually asking, hey, is there a podcast you would recommend? You know, Normies might do that. I don't think normies will build an app. I think that normies would certainly at least ask, okay, knowing what you know about me, recommend a podcast that I might like. And that's interesting because I've got no idea where the data would end up coming from. And I'm sure the answer would be Joe Rogan anyway. Okay, a couple of things. So I was going to let this go. I mean, one thing to say normal people, the then-say normies. And and this kind of James James has a little bit of troll in him.

10:34 Oh, yeah. No, it's totally it's Criddler. I know it's Criddler stuff. You've been Criddled. Yeah, I've been Criddled. But when I look at what you posted on the Mastodon today. And I quote, the number of new podcast apps either being launched or under development right now is crazy. What does that tell you? It tells me that people are vibe-coding their little fingers off. You mean normies? Could it be normies doing that? The clickies are going around all over the place. No, people are vibe-coding like... I mean, it's... It's almost daily. I see so many things saying – and look at all the requests to have apps listed on the podcastapps.com page. Yep, yep. It's just it's off the chain, man. This is this is what I've been saying. This is the revolution. It's taking place.

11:37 The normies are starting to figure it out just like the normies figured out HTML. That was actually harder. It was harder to build a Web site. Yeah, it's a red ball to build a website than a podcast app. Yeah, it's come on. It's super easy to build an app now. Just say, build me an app and says, here you go. OK, now change this, change that. Boom. It's not that hard. it's just it's just not it's not i've done it i sent you two clips i just sent you two clips okay well remind me to come back to this uh okay but the play play you gotta play play the uh play the first clip which one is that small claims Yes. Okay. And one of the things you see in the early days of these personal AI assistants is people jumping for joy that you're not going to believe this. I was able to have instinct or muse or whatever, a file, a lawsuit and small claims court for me. And just all I had to do is tell it to go file a suit and small claims court. And it was done. Yeah.

12:49 So, so, The first derivative consequence of this is obviously, well, that's not going to be the way this works for very long because the small claims courts will be inundated with lawsuits and claims that were never, you know, I want $48 back from Comcast. This is going to go away shortly. Now I think it'll have to change. It won't go away. Uh-uh. This is what I'm talking about. Exactly. Darn it. exactly okay clip two so a lot of these agentic things sound great as an individual but then as soon as you extrapolate let's say you know the restaurant example I'll give you my restaurant example the restaurant example we've been discussing and by the way these things are great if I'm the only one using that's it right right and of course that's not what The restaurant example is, as many people understand, the way a lot of restaurant reservation systems work is you can book a table, and if you cancel just over 24 hours in advance, there's no charge. Right. That was when it was hard to go reserve a table unless you had, you know, where you were a tyrant and had an assistant who you beat into the ground. You wouldn't ever go reserve. 19 tables just in case Thursday night.

14:06 Right. And then. Excuse me. Excuse me. Do you know how many wealthy women. In Austin, Texas, specifically, do exactly that in advance. Weeks in advance, they'll reserve five, six, seven different tables at restaurants and cancel at the last moment. This is very common. It's very common. Sure, sure. But now that everybody – I think they're talking about the – I mean they're generally talking about the sort of the tragedy of the commons in a sense. As long as there's just a handful of people doing it, then it's not so burdensome that it demands change. But if you suddenly have – you know, thousands of people doing it at scale, you have to change. So like that first, things are great now while your agent and a few other people's agents are doing it. But as this load increases, It's like the banks. I mean, banks are blocking this thing, too. Exactly. Because you just can't – Let me finish the clip, and then we'll discuss.

15:14 You wouldn't ever go reserve 19 tables. Just in case. Thursday night. Right. And then I'm going to decide later on which one I want to do. And then my agent is going to tell me 26 hours beforehand, which of the 19, which, which 18 of the 19 tables do you want to cancel? It's only, that only happens for a very short period of time before the restaurants either say, okay. All right. It's now fifty dollars to book a table or or more or whatever. Right. And there's no cancellation. Yeah. There's no cancel or or the cancellation period is now that we can have 10 days. Yeah, I just disagree with the results. I totally understand what you're saying. Things are going to break everywhere and they are. And this will only result in the logical conclusion that for small claims court and for restaurant reservations as the two examples. AI will talk to AI. That's the only way. Yeah, people will block it, but there will be a couple of restaurants, and they will pop up and say, okay, your AI can now negotiate, and there may or may not be a fee. And that, before we continue, brings me to the second clip, because thank you very much. You led me right into it.

16:31 I think one of my biggest disappointments has been in our own community, the podcasting 2.0 community. It's not adopted a universal payment. There is a GitHub post that has been ignored and left to rot about how we can include premium and freemium within the RSS feed. There are technologies like L402 and X402. They work. I've got working examples in TrueFans. This is not ethereal. This is not would we, could we, should we. This is it works and here's an example. But no, There's no uptake, there's no interest, there's no desire to do it. We've subjugated it again one more time to other platforms. I banged the drum about creator portals, I think, for three years plus, and we're seeing them now here, you know, We've got some good interviews with networks next week. I mean, this is where it's going. Those networks aren't ad-driven. They're subscription-driven. Global's going subscription-driven. Goalhanger makes $7 a month from its subscribers, making significant ad revenue is being affected. Now, I don't know whether we are... going to be able to turn this around i have no idea but i do think we need to pull our finger out again it's the slowness of adopting video we were late to the party and i think we're slow and late to the party on payments sorry but i think we are well thank you so this is exactly the same problem

18:02 That has a solution. I believe that AI coded apps should totally strip out all ads. What a great idea. Me too. And the reason why I say that is because that will necessitate people using these types of payment systems. Yep. While you have dynamic ad insertion and this entire industry infrastructure built around the support system for ads – You'll never get significant adoption of what Sam is talking about. Yeah, exactly. But we're going to break it now because now I am all for using your robot to strip out the ads. It's a great idea. Go for it. I'm a rebel. It's going to – it's – This is where I've landed. It's going to happen anyway, so let's just rip the Band-Aid off and do it now. Yes. We're just pretending that it's not going to be the standard practice in, I don't know, 12, 18, 24 months. Wait, if TiVo can do it to television – Well, then any AI can do it to podcast. Well, forget television. Have you been following the here it is? What do they call it? Smart TV debloating.

19:27 Oh, yes. Yes, absolutely. This is fascinating. Yeah. Here it is. Clean Your TV Project explodes on GitHub as thousands hack their TVs back. Oh, yeah. There's another one called Dumb TV, I think. It's great. You just point Claude at your smart TV. It says, okay, what's the model number? Here's how you find it. You take a picture, give that to Claude Code. Boom. It's like, okay, I've just put a whole new interface on top. It's beautiful. This is what I'm talking about. It grabs the firmware, it reverse engineers, it re-reverses, puts in all the stuff you want, takes out all the stuff you don't want, and boom. Yeah. You're done. I don't know if it actually, if it can change the firmware per se. I'm not so sure if it does that. It might. I mean, not the one that I saw. But, I mean, I have an LG TV.

20:15 And, man, it couldn't be worse the amount of spying this thing does. My understanding is that most of these TVs are Android-based and that these are all mostly APKs. So you just basically repackage another app and just upload it. Perfect. Yeah. Yeah, so I'm all for this. This is the revolution, people. This is what I'm talking about. And so, yes, L400, L402, X402, that is totally the way forward. Of course, not if you're using Tether because your funds are frozen currently, thanks to the Binance hack, but okay, there you go. Oh, you didn't hear about that? No. Oh, goodness. Yeah, someone got into supposedly a dev laptop and siphoned out something like – the reports vary between $3 and $6 billion, and both Tether and Circle froze their chains. Yeah. Yikes. Yeah. Holy cow. Well, that's a centralized blockchain. That's what you get. Yeah. That's exactly right. You know, this is why Bitcoin is the only way to go. Now, people probably too scary, don't want to adopt it. Price varies too much. Okay. Well, I mean, I feel like all the things are coming together. I mean, when... What Sam's talking about with X402 and subscriptions... You know, Cloudflare just released their X402 payment gateway. Ooh, I didn't know that. It's out and ready to go because we got to implement that on Podcast

21:46 Index now, man. We have tiers. You got a free tier. You got a paid tier. All these apps. All these apps. Yeah, all these apps coming out. Come on, man. They're not donating to us. Yeah, it's called Pi Plus. Yeah. P-I Plus. If you donate to us, free game. You go. Do whatever you need. You don't donate, pay. Yeah. Pay. Everybody's getting in on the game. We might as well lead the charge. Here's how it works, people. It's real simple. The, uh... Yeah, it's called Cloudflare Monetization Gateway is what it's called. And what does it do? What does it do? Does it give people wallets or what does it do? I saw it right before the show. Okay. So I – I'm trying to find it back in my timeline. It was posted on the...

22:41 on the Mastodon here. Let's see. Where is it? Oh, let's see. No, that's... Is the Cloudflare X402 payment gateway? Is that what you called it? I could have sworn they said monetization gateway. Ooh, monetization. What a big fancy word. Ha! It is very fancy. Oh, here it is. Cloudflare Monetization Gateway. It's blog.cloudflare.com slash monetization – gateway – beta. And so it's X402, and it supposedly has got this – It seems like it has two kind of rails. One is just an X402 payment, and the other one seems to be – Something much more complicated. I didn't fully understand it, but it was like you somehow get like a contract. Oh, brother. Why so complicated? Yeah.

23:43 Then let's see. You can either do straight 402 or you can also do this thing where the site gives you some kind of contract that then stays around so that if you buy – like if you bought something and used it multiple times later, it would somehow – charge you for the offline use? I did not understand what that was. It sounded very complicated. If you are a U.S. seller in the beta, Cloudflare lets you put a per-request USDC price On a domain, it says here, API, MCP tool or data set and an X402 compatible agent can pay it inside the normal request response cycle.

24:31 If you're outside the U.S. or not in the beta, it's still weightless territory. And they also announced Cloudflare wallets. They did that a couple months ago with account wallets and virtual wallets for agents. But in documentation last update August 19th, the only working feature was reserving a handle at cloudflare.pay. Okay, so we'll see. Well, this is high value. See, it's built for resources where every request is the use, like APIs, tools, and data. Right. High value content is different. A page might be crawled once and used a thousand times. For that, pay-per-use offers a trusted network of verified buyers who report each use and pay for it. See, this is the part where it went off the rails for me. I don't know what that's talking about. Well, all we really need to wait for is the bank integration of... Fiat and USDC or Tether.

25:24 When that's coming, it's going to be a part of your bank. It's obvious. They're all in on it. They're all, in fact, they're all in the consortium. And just this... I think the issue that Sam's running into is that he, just like you, he tends to be way out in front. And he's – his industry hasn't – or his – not his industry, but his way of seeing. Sam's industry is construction. Sam's incorporating. Yeah. His way of thinking is – he's just too far ahead. It hasn't caught up. And this – I don't know that – I mean I don't know that I would necessarily build something on the Cloudflare monetization gateway. I think Cloudflare is a schizophrenic company. But I mean – Case in point, I still – We don't have the bot submission request for the podcast index. Well, it's the same with the wallets, apparently. Yeah, exactly. You just get a name reserve. You don't get a wallet. Who knows how many months that will take. But this is the future, and I want to embrace it. There's no stopping this. And when you posted about all those apps coming in, I'm like, okay, there it is. That's how it's going to work. is people are going to be creating and this will detract from everyone's score basically so what are you

27:00 going to do to attract people to your app well uh payments and take a piece for yourself And on the other side, we'll just make sure that your app is attractive by ripping out the ads. I'm all for it now. I'm all for it. That's going to become just baseline. Yeah, that'll be the baseline. And I'm also all for flooding the small claims court. That, I think they are 100% correct on that. I do not think for one second that the world is going to flourish under agents. I think it's going to get more locked down because of this. Oh, no. No. Listen to your own advice. All you need is a couple of... apps to say, yeah, we strip out ads and it becomes the baseline. All you need is one restaurant to say, yeah, we'll negotiate on tables and cancellation with your robot.

28:03 All you need is one or two shopping sites And Amazon will fold. They will fold. I see it all the time. Amazon blocked my robot, but then my robot found it directly from the supplier and actually got it cheaper. This is what's going to happen. The negotiation, this thing that you keep bringing up where you're saying that my agent is going to negotiate with the restaurant's agent to get to bid for a table. Yes. Yes. All that does is just ensure that I will never get a table at a restaurant because everybody – all the wealthy within my area will always just outbid me for every table. No, I'm not – This sounds like a future that rewards money. I was talking – welcome to capitalism. I was talking more about arbitrage versus anything else.

29:03 So if – now, it's interesting that you say that. Okay, so restaurants will – It's possible that they could negotiate based upon how much you're willing to put down to hold the table. That's possible. But then there will be many other options. And ultimately, the way the free strippers stripping also. Well, there you go. Ultimately, the free market. which I believe in, makes these things work. But the free markets are being disrupted like crazy right now. It's the same with oil. So the oil price, yeah, a lot of it's determined by oil. The insurance costs, the hull insurance and ship insurance, which is determined mainly by Lloyd's of London. There's more oil flowing out of the Gulf now than before the war through pipelines and ships that are being shepherded.

30:00 by the U.S. Navy, but the real price is being set by Hyperliquid. And Hyperliquid is a PERP trading platform, PERP for perpetual options, options that never expire. And people are just betting on the price of oil, and because it's 24-7, It's all tokenized. There's no actual oil. You never take delivery of any oil. It's like a calci, basically, but with a never-ending price. or never-ending option, and it runs 24-7. So people see these prices, and every single trading desk in the world It has a hyperliquid account. They have Calci accounts. They have – what's the other one? The other betting site? DraftKings? Probably. Probably. But this is setting prices. Perplexed? No, not perplexed. Perpetual options.

31:00 Perpetual options. Oh, you're talking about that other platform. Oh, yeah. Polymarket. Polymarket. Yeah, polymarket. So that's setting the price of oil. And eventually that'll break. But, you know, this is this is how open and free markets operate. It's beautiful to watch. Now, does it mean stuff sucks for a while? Absolutely. But I truly believe it's going to start to benefit the normies, God forbid. Until your agentic utopia arrives, I will just... Continue to eat dinner at 3.30 on a Tuesday. I'm not saying it's utopia. I'm saying this is what it is. This is what it is. It's amazing. I didn't even know about the small claims court. I mean, I did my passport renewal the other day. Same thing. Hey, renew my passport. Okay, I've got form D82. I filled it all out for you.

31:58 You just need to put in your social security number. I can't use that. I don't have that. And print it off, and it'll even print out the label. Okay, now you just stick it in. Oh, I'm going to remind you for three weeks, which it did, to get your passport photo taken. Or you can take it yourself. and I'll analyze it, make sure it's done properly. It's beautiful. It's one of those things that's the biggest pain in the butt. It tells me where to send it. Everything's set. Yeah, for now. For now. Dave, people can fight it all they want. The machine wins always. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. The bank is the example. If the bank says your agent can't connect to your account, you can't connect. They win. Until two banks say your agent can connect. The... If JP Morgan is the biggest bank in the world – And they pay like a 0.1% interest rate on savings. There's hundreds of banks out there paying 4% on money market funds, yet somehow J.P. Morgan continues to be the biggest bank in the world. Nobody's leaving. Nobody's putting their money to somewhere else where they can get a higher return. It just – Keeps on keeping on that this the free some somehow the free market just doesn't seem to be fixing

33:31 these things. But how can you say that when you say ads will be stripped out? It'll be the baseline. It's exactly the same thing. No, no, because I can because the app can strip the ads on its own. If I have to depend on a counterparty to also accept the thing that I'm doing, then they can block me. Okay. We shall see. Your counterparty is Plaid. That's what's getting it. This is the problem. This is why the banks are flipping out. It's like so many – I mean Plaid, which I think is owned by Visa – You know, it's owned by the institutions now. It powers all it powers into its access into your bank account, all of this stuff. So you can't really you can't really tell what is using Plaid. But when you use Plaid, you do sign a EULA that says, hey, man, I'm responsible for using this. If something goes wrong, it's up to me. So, I mean, I'm still connected.

34:31 I've given it access, read access to my credit card. and read access to one bank account. Not my main one, because I'm not totally stupid, but just to look at what's being like PayPal's and stuff. This gives me a running total. It's like, hey, this looks like a suspicious transaction or you're halfway through your budget for the month. I mean, this is what it's doing for me. The next step is just pay that for me. And maybe I'll do that. I don't know. People didn't want to put their credit card number on the Internet in the beginning either. Oh, I'm never going to do that. Never, never, never, never going to do that. And here we are. Well, I wonder if I pulled this clip.

35:12 Let's see. uh these clips came from the dick and paul show you know i subscribed to the dick and paul show i must have gotten a dud because i'm like what is this nonsense it's not always good i guess uh what what one did you hear i don't know it was after last week's show i believe i told my robot dick and paul show Uh-huh. And it's – let me see. Let me see where it is. Oh, yeah. Here it is. Yeah, they had one on – I mean, the most recent episode wasn't my favorite, but it's pretty good. I mean, it was like some CEOs or something like that. Yeah, here it is. I'll just send you another clip. This is the one on banks. Hold on a second. Dick and Paul. Hold on.

35:59 Let me grab it. I love how this works. It's so easy to do. Come on, where are you? banks. Here we go. I mean, the other one that came up, we were just talking about on Friday, I think it was B of A announced that you can no longer use an agentic tool, one of these personal AIs to access your banking information. And it's not just B of A, it's a few others now that have come in and blocked them. I think JP Morgan, B of A, and Citi have all said you can't do this. Now, the immediate... The immediate response from the agentic crowd is to say, oh, those bastards, because they're preventing me from being one with my money agentically. Yeah, for now. Well, I must have missed it on the clip, but they went on to talk about how the reason – it's not just simply because of a – It may not be what you think because – I know for my credit union, my credit union has regulations on it imposed by the NCUA, the National Credit Union Association, that for share accounts, you can only transfer money in and out. Up to six times a week, I think. And that is a regulatory requirement. And so you can't allow agents to come in and start pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, just throwing money around because it destabilizes the bank like at a fundamental level. Yeah. Because they have to depend on a certain amount of reserves in a certain – Not just reserves in total, but reserves in certain

37:32 types of accounts. Yeah, it's a different kind of bank. Yeah, it's a nonprofit, and there's a community that has to do certain things to make it function and give you all those great rates that they give you. Right. But as an agent, you're just like, damn it. I can't move my money. But it's like, well, they just – I don't think they can trust these things to do – To do things properly. I mean, you just don't know. And so really, there is no reason, I don't think, to – and I'm not quite sure what people want their agents to do. And it seems like a logical conclusion that to give your agent a wallet of whatever it is – And connect that wallet to your bank account and top it up, which I think people are getting pretty familiar with. Everyone knows what a cell phone top up is. And that'll be your buying and selling agent or your transaction thing. And it'll do stuff online and it'll route around it. Route around the banks and don't need the banks. And that, of course, is what we thought lightning would do with Bitcoin. And it may still it may still turn out to be a great idea. I don't know. But this whole idea of X402 for payments of things. Yeah, I think that's.

38:47 I want that on my email. You want to send me some email? All right. X402Bitch. Is that the site? X402Bitch.com? No, that is now the title of the show. I think it just comes down to, in podcasting, what – I was thinking about this this morning. What are we – When I say we, I just mean what is podcasting selling? Like what I mean is more like metaphorically what are – When we want somebody to consume our podcast – What are we actually wanting them to, quote, buy? Value. Okay, see, that's – so this goes back to like I work in the tax preparation business.

39:45 And so the – what we are selling as a company is not – we're not selling you a tax return. What we're selling you is – confidence and peace of mind. That's really... the product. Sure, sure. Because people are afraid to do their taxes because taxes are extremely complicated and if you F it up, you get audited and all these problems. And as you as your wealth increases and your company gets bigger, those things just compound. And so what a tax firm is selling you is not the tax return. They're selling you the peace of mind of knowing that it's going to be done well and somebody is going to back you up. And I feel like in podcasting, Exactly what you said. What podcasting is – It's a value proposition. It's this content is valuable to your life.

40:44 And podcast advertising is... uh, Does not seem to be. Does not seem to fit. Anymore. Within that. within that realm, within that promise. At one point in time, I think it did. We all make fun of the mattress ads and the Warby Parkers and all this kind of stuff. But at one point in time, those things actually were – people followed those ads and they went into it. But when you're hearing ads for Palmolive dish detergent – and you're hearing the same ad seven times because it's a dynamic rotation in the same 45-minute episode, you're no longer providing value. And so what you're wanting people to, quote, buy, they consider now less valuable. And I feel like... I don't think this is not just me spouting off, but I feel like – but I'm saying that – Like on Oxford Road's show, I forgot what the name of it is, but those guys had a recent episode where they were talking about this very thing and how ad sellers are just loading up shows and they're actually driving audience away. And if they don't stop… And it's the whole thing is going to crumble because they don't understand that they've showed up to a gunfight

42:16 with a knife. And the the these ad these apps that strip the ads away, that is going to become baseline because the product itself changed and it changed in an environment when the capabilities to fix it are now dirt cheap. And what do you expect is going to happen? Of course this is going to happen. Of course. I mean, it's just there's no way around it. We were at – my sister had surgery this week, and I went to the hospital to visit her, and – We walked by this – we walked by a Starbucks in the hospital, and it said, we have sushi. I was like – I mean, forgive me if I don't go by Brookwood Hospital Starbucks to get my sushi. But this is – that's the thing. You can take a high-end product. Like you can take a very good podcast.

43:30 I consider the Dick and Paul show to be a very good podcast most of the time. You can take a high-end product and you can – and the reason I consider it to be a high-end product right now is because I get a lot of value out of it. And they have basically zero ads. If they add one ad for something, a host read, fine. Maybe a post roll. I'll still find value. If they start loading that thing up, the value proposition just declines and declines and declines. And now before you know it, you took – A high-end restaurant experience and turned it into like Starbucks hospital sushi. And I just don't want it anymore, and I will just unsubscribe from the show. Right, but it's the inverse of what you're saying, that the advertising industry, there's always going to be someone who loads up more ads. Yeah, and it's going to kill itself. Yeah, of course it will, but it's going to kill itself in the same way that shopping sites will kill themselves if they don't want agentic systems arbitraging and negotiating prices or shipping length or anything. You know, number of items is all this is a this is a fantastic world.

44:51 The bottleneck, really, at this point, the bottleneck is the stupid app stores. That's the problem. Well, did you see what happened to – they talked about Amazon in their most recent episode and how the reason they're blocking agents is because it kills their search revenue. Yeah, of course it does. Yeah, and did you see what happened to Amazon? The search took a hit. Yeah, of course it did. And Google's search took a hit. It's basically flat. Yeah. AI is killing is killing search ad revenue across the board. Like it's made a major dent. Amazon and Google both got crushed. Another benefit. Another huge benefit. Yeah. Yeah. Advertising is on the lam, boy. Boy, boy, I said, boy, advertising is on the lam. Daily source code.

45:44 archive yeah how about that why are you saying that all of a sudden are you just have Tourette's what is going on uh because it just popped into my head for some reason daily source code podcast index id 2004 yes the daily source code.com thank you to the swedish trickler Christopher Izeen, who painstakingly went out and found every single episode plus nine bonus episodes. And your original Apple script. Yeah, but he has that as well. And so I built a website. I built is a big word there. This morning, I literally told my robot, make a page for every episode. Put all podcast, because he also built a RSS feed with all the podcasting 2.0 features. So transcripts in SRT and VTT. chapters, I think chapters, person, location, tag, all of it's in there. And I say, okay, robot, make a page. All right. Literally eight minutes later. All right, 837 have been built. Here you go. And so now the Daily Source Code is forever archived. I'm super grateful for him doing that work.

46:59 He's been working on that for at least two years. Yeah, just trying to find the files. Once he had the files, it got a little bit easier. But then he still had to do the transcript for all those episodes. It's a thing of beauty. And I listened to him like... Wow, I say um a lot. Not anymore. I say um, um. You banish that somehow psychologically from yourself. Yes, and this is all pre-noise gate, so a lot of room noise, a lot of stuff going on. He contacted me and said, we got to get a good podcast in. Chris, I've seen... What a beautiful human being. Yes, indeed. He said, we've got to get a good podcast index ID numerology for this feed. And he wanted podcast index ID one, but I just couldn't. Yeah, that would have been great. What is ID one? So it's Mark something. It's like a Christian podcast, Mark something.

47:59 But it's been there forever, and I'm afraid too many people wrote it. So I found – so he said, what about 2004? Because that's when the show started. So we figured that one out. That had like a dead show in it, so I moved it out, moved things around. So yeah, that's good numerology. I love it. And I don't think ID one would have been great anyway, because there's some things in the index when the numbers get down that low. Some of the scripts don't they treat it as suspicious. They're like, wait, suspicious, suspicious. Yeah, it's like that that. The TLS certificate host that had their private key stolen and their private key was four.

48:44 Did you hear about that? No. That's crazy. He has an Indian certificate provider. Their private keys leaked onto the internet, and one of the private keys was four. Yeah. Wow. Just the number four. Okay. Brute force. Oh, fourth hit. I got it. Hey, you built the clone detector. Yeah, you want to talk about that? Yeah, the first thing I wanted to say is that, you know, all this talk of a code of conduct, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. No. First of all, there's a LOX tag for a reason. And if people are ignoring that, then they suck. But I think the clone detector is great because… You know, just put a tab on podcastindex.org called lawyer. No, in fact, we'll add it to the MCP server. Here we go. Lawyer up. Check lawyer up dot com. Check to see if my feed is cloned. Then it'll check. It'll come back and it'll have a link to an MCP server for a law firm. And it'll fire off an immediate cease and desist to the hosting company and whoever else it can find. And file it in small claims court. Yeah.

50:00 Seriously, I mean, we should not be doing code of conduct. We should be suing people right away. Cease and desist right away. Immediately. Don't ask. Don't just boom. Screw you. Just out of MCP, a tool call lawsuit. File underscore lawsuit. Yes. And why is this happening? Because of dynamically inserted ads. If there was no monetization – Then it wouldn't be happening. It would be lame. I don't want to do that. What point is that? Oh, I can steal someone's money? Yeah, great. So, you know, hosting companies, they should probably be looking at this feed a lot. Because if that happened in one of my podcasts, immediately. Immediate paperwork. Yeah, file underscore lawsuit. Yeah. So the podcast lock tag was one of the first – I mean literally it was one of the first two or three tags that we created for the namespace. And the idea there has always been kind of misunderstood. Yeah. Because I remember Rob Walsh and other people were like, well, this podcast lock tag doesn't, you know, it doesn't work.

51:13 I mean, it can't, you can't enforce. Yeah, you can. You can. Don't, don't ingest if it has, if the lock tag equals equal, equals yes. Right. Right. And the thing of – and this is – because this is the same way that this – the lock tag was based on the DNS domain name system registrar ecosystem. You have to have a code. It's generated or else the DNS – else you can't move a domain name from one registrar to the other. And the only reason that works is because all the registrars agree to go by that code of conduct. Any one of them could easily just do it. Yeah. Yeah. But they've all agreed to a code of conduct that says we're going to respect this method for transfer. And if the hosting companies don't respect that, then all this is irrelevant. I mean the lock tag depends on adherence. And so like – but all – what I'm saying is all industries that also work this way also depend on adherence. So this is not somehow uniquely dysfunctional as a tag. But – so I just took James's – And tried and said, OK, well, how can we automate this to make for two goals? Um, Make it where people don't have to download

52:47 the index dump and search through a bunch of – use a bunch of SQL statements like he had to do. Mm-hmm. Make it an automated quick process and then also make it machine readable so that automation can look at these lists. and make decisions so like you know so the the issue here is not just spreaker this is a cut this this happens a lot and has been happening for years uh the so pod news he said he listed 1778 copies using uh using our data uh I think we're in a better position to do this in a proactive way because we see almost every feed in the ecosystem. And from across all hosts, not just Spreaker, not just Anchor, any of those, we see everything. So we can spot… We can quickly spot a new feed. That looks like some other feed. And that was kind of the that was kind of my methodology here was don't. Just editorialize on what these things are.

54:08 Just present the data and let other people who actually know look at it and decide whether or not it's something nefarious or just something innocent. Because if you say… If you come up with rules – well, let me just say how it works. So what I'm calling it is a lookalike feed report to try to avoid any sort of negativity here because a lot of these things aren't scams or hijacks. They're just – it's just neutral. It's saying – What the index is saying is, hey, I see this feed, and it sure does look a lot like this other feed. And then there's like a confidence score and – but then you leave it to others who actually know to make the final call, like direct – the direct – other directories, hosting companies, journalists, like. whoever, the creators themselves. If you own a pod, if you make a podcast, And then you see one of your shows show up on this list and you're like, hey, wait, I've only ever hosted at Buzzsprout. But now there's a show with my art and a similar name to mine showing up on Anchor. You know something's

55:40 up. But also, maybe you moved your show from... Or RSS.com to Captivate or something like that. Well, then you're like, oh, those are my two shows. I'll just contact, you know, Podcast Index or I forgot to shut that account down, whatever. So there's no there's no like labeling here that says, OK, this is all if you try to label it and say this is a scam or a hijack, you just you're in for trouble. Yeah. But... So it matches on a few things. It matches on show title. So the primaries are show title and artwork.

56:25 If those two things are similar, it – Treats it as sort of like a candidate and then digs in further and finds out what are the actual details. It compares the episode goods. Are they the same or are they different? When you're importing a show, it's probably always – it's mostly always going to keep the same episode goods. So if you have a show over here on – if you have a show on Transistor and then that same – a similar show shows up on – RSS.com, and it has the same episode goods across your catalog, there's a good chance that somebody used the import tool. Is there an API call for this, or is it just the CSV report that is updated regularly? Yeah, right now, the SQL to do this is very heavy.

57:19 Because it has to do multiple calls per candidate. How often does the CSV update? It updates daily. So I did one backlog of the entire index as it stands yesterday. What time does it update? I think it's 4am I believe that may be UTC I think it's 4am UTC So then daily it will produce a daily CSV and a date stamped CSV for historical purposes so you can walk back in time and see all the feeds from that – so the daily thing is only feeds that were created in the last 24 hours. So we're taking those – And then looking for candidates on just that sample. Mm-hmm. The... So then you have – then it digs into the episodes themselves and says, okay, do they – does one of the shows on either side – so depending – does one of the shows on either side of this pair share at least three episodes in common? And if it does, then it considers that to be some sort of duplication that's happened or copying, mirror, whatever label you want to put on it. So some – A lot of the things that showed up

58:50 in the pod news report, I believe, were sort of like generic titles. Now, I think there was almost a thousand that were solid, but I think there was probably another 40 percent. There were things like test and trailer, things like that. I think there was – I haven't – I didn't look at James' data in depth, but I believe there was some of that stuff in there too. So I'm trying to filter out as much of those as I can. It's never going to be 100% exact, but I am trying to get rid of those.

59:32 So the crime junkie one is an example. Like – Uh, there's a speaker copy with identical episode, guides, titles, and dates. Uh, The only thing that differs is the author name, which is GFTR. And the audio is re-hosted on Spreaker, and every episode audio is about two and a half minutes longer, so those are your ad insertions. So that fingerprint is a Very good indicator of something being a clone show for ad purposes. And there's more copies in other places that I found, but that was a clear – Uh, and I think that was in James's set as well. I'm as, as in fact, I know it was, um, so it can be labeled as five, like, let's see, is there one, two, three, four, five different possible labels. Um, A copy... is means the original is still publishing, but the audio is being rehosted. A host migration means it seems to be like an owner move. So it has a redirect and the same Apple ID, and the old feed went quiet. So if those three things hold, then it considers it to be a host migration. Same owner mirror. A mirror is… The same show on two hosts with the same audio files. So this happens all the

1:01:04 time. Some people just get in this weird thing where they don't want to kill their old Apple ID. And they just have two hosting companies. Serving the same show. I don't know why, but that happens. It happens on FeedBurner, too. You get FeedBurner clones. Yeah, it happens a lot. There's a duplicate listing label, which means the same feed listed twice on one host. So the same show, I mean, which is also weird, but it does happen. And then there's just one that says unclear, and it's just – It's like their shared episodes exist, but the rest of the signals don't really give a clear indicator of what's going on. What does first stored mean in the report? Where are you seeing that at? Hmm. So it has, I looked up no agenda and it has...

1:02:08 The original NA show notes. It says first stored. Believe me, I'm not looking at this myself. Yeah, I wonder if it's – is that in the CSV? Yeah, yes, apparently. Okay, and that's in the backlog CSV? Yeah. Yeah. Uh, first stored would be when the, when the feed was created in the index. Okay. Okay. um, Got it. Yeah, so the... Because timing is a – is a factor too because like what whatever if a feed which feed comes first is also a signal. It's actually a pretty good one. It's not the only one. You've got to temper it. The things that are not factored in are things like the link tag. That's not reliable. People copy that. Like I said, generic titles. So there's a lot of feeds that just might be called sermons or test or daily show or something like that. These things are just not reliable as titles. Another one is PeerTube Federation. Yeah, PeerTube will – often you'll end up with

1:03:39 RSS feeds for the same show across different Peertube instances. And those things... You know, they're just the same show. And it's going through their Federation system. And so try to leave that out as well. The... Let's see. Yeah, things, so like A lot of these – sometimes these things are just not going to be very reliable, and that's another reason why we're saying, well, we're just not going to make – we're not going to label these or make an editorial decision on them because sometimes they're just innocent copies. The WordPress factor. WordPress. What is saspod.com?

1:04:32 S-A-S-P-O-D dot com. I'm getting a lot of dupes on SassPod. And they seem to have directories for Apple, for Player FM, for Podchaser. A podcast production company that elevates your brand's visibility and authority through strategic storytelling. Yeah. So they're copying feeds, including ours, this one. Oh, they're re-hosting? Mm-hmm. Yeah. Great. Why do people do this? Let me see. I'm looking at this now. What is this? sasspod.com Do sasspod.com slash feed slash podcast index. I may be wrong. Hold on a second. Let me see. sas.com slash feed slash podcast index. Let's see what shows up. No, I get an error. Okay, maybe not. But something's in the index with SassPod. Okay. Okay, I'll look at it.

1:05:42 Yeah, so there's... The backlog was about 3 million active feeds, and out of that – It found about 100,000 pairs that looked like look-alike pairs. About 50,000 of those look like just mirrors. Uh, 13 and a half thousand were might seem to be host migrations and another 25,000 were copies. Um, um, Yeah, and so out of... It found 1,400 roughly that looked like they were a strong monetization copy. 762 of those were on Spreaker, so about half of those. Let me just respond to Sir Bemrose in the board meeting. It says, how long before we have to build an AI agent to remove all the clone shows in the index called No Agenda? Well, I'll have you know that we have a trademark on No Agenda, and we have gone to Spotify mainly and said, hey, who's doing this? And then we send them a friendly note, say, you can't use this. And here's why I did that to Laura Logan. And if they don't comply, then they get a letter from the lawyer. And if they don't comply, which you've never had to get to that stage, then we'll take the small claims court.

1:07:11 But that's – trademark is a real thing. It's real law. And that's what this is. This is trademark, copyright. This is illegal. And it's not a code of conduct thing. It's a suck thing. You need to fix that. Eric said founder talk. That's the one you called at me about earlier. Are they blowing it up? They sent 3,000 pod pings in 10 minutes. All with different URLs. Really? Yes, that's the message I gave you. You hit me right before I left the show. Okay. It's probably going into the index. Oh, yeah. The Podping Firehose is being flooded with test feeds for a show called Founder Talk, each with a different generated address, e2e-blah-blah-blah-foundertalk.podigy.io local. And in today's pings alone, founder talk dot podigy dot local shows up over 3000 times. The IO local version over 1300 times plus hundreds of unique E2E variants. Yes. Podigy.io local. The heck is it? What even is that? I don't know. That looks like that. That's I.O. local is not a. That's not a valid TLD, is it? I

1:08:44 don't know. Dot local. It probably is. No, .io local. Yeah, I don't know. It doesn't have to be valid to spam. Well, they're not going to end up in the index because it doesn't pass the valid feed check on the ingestion, but it's hosing up. I've got to find out who's doing that. I mean, Podigy has a PodPing token, I think. But it's either them with – their system has gone horribly wrong or somebody being a goofball. I'll find out. Uh, let's see. Is that about it? Oh, um... Some interesting stuff came out. So it's like it's not just Spreaker. Out of the 25,000 copies, roughly about 9,000 of those were Spreaker. But Anchor and Spotify, Red Circle, iVoox, SoundCloud, basically all the free hosts are suffering from this same issue. Yeah. There's also a few on Substack, Acast, Captivate. One thing that came out of that 13,500 host migrations, that's a pretty interesting thing.

1:09:59 Look. into the data because the top, the top moves like were from most of the shows moved from anchor to Spreaker. The next most popular move was from anchor to buzzsprout. Hmm. And the third most popular was from Spreaker back to Anchor. So people are just bouncing around for free hosts mostly except the Anchor to Buzzsprout issue. But anyway, so I just validated against – I did a sanity check. So against PodNews' data to just make sure, okay, are we at least capturing what James found from his raw look, and then we can parse out of that what may have been generic titles or something just to make the data cleaner? But what I'm hoping that this will do is – I hope hosting companies... And...

1:11:05 Um... I hope hosting companies, creators, agencies, companies, I hope people will begin to automate the daily look at this thing. mostly hosting companies. To get an early warning that somebody has signed up for an account on your service and they may be doing it in a way that is cloning somebody else's feed. And if you can catch that or if you as a hosting company with a free tier, if you can catch that early, you can save yourself some embarrassment and some unfortunate things. PR and all those other things and save the podcasters from being super angry and taking you to small claims court. And it is now part of the podcast index robot dot com MCP. Salty crayon, detective potty is on the case.

1:12:08 It is, except we call it copycat. Oh, copycat. Copycat. So is it on the documentation now too? Yes. Yes. It's all updated. I wrote that while we were speaking. Good grief. Wait, I got to see copycat. Well, I don't see copycat on my podcast in dash robot.com. Let me see. Oh, Podcast Robot is restarting after an error. Oh, no. Oh, there it is. It's good. It's down. It's good. It's good. It's good. Robot down. Is this the real feed? When several feeds carry the same show, it tells you which one is the podcast index copycat detector thinks is the original, whether the others are the owner's mirrors, a move to a new host, or copies re-hosted by someone else. Podcasters should ask, is anyone copying my show? Slap it behind at 402. There it is.

1:13:04 Stick an X-402 on it. There it is. That solves everything, by the way. That solves everything. So boom shakalaka. I appreciate James doing that work. I think it was Probably tedious for him and go, you know. Now, he extrapolated 99,736 feeds and there's only 1,700 that are true copycats? No, no, no, no, no, no, no. He found 1,700. I had it written down somewhere. Let's see. I think it was... Seven... Yeah, 1778 is what he found, and about – roughly 1,000 of those seem to be pretty legitimate copies. When I say legitimate, I don't mean like morally. I just mean like there's – it's pretty obvious they're cloning popular shows. Right. Then the other 778, roughly, they look like less – to me, they look less reliable. Like they may just be a lot of – the titles are generic, and so they just happen to land. But maybe that's not the case. Maybe he's got – A little bit more data on it than I do, but I feel at least half – more than half of the ones he found, probably 60 percent of the ones he found seem to be legitimate copies of real feeds that have – I don't know how

1:14:36 many of those are trying to be monetized, but obviously some are. I mean Crime Junkie is a perfect example. That one's clearly a hijack, a feed hijack. Yeah. So, yeah, just we, you know, we see everything. So it makes sense for us to be the... the bullhorn on this. And this is a perfect example of Like all the signals to find these things are there. You just have to become aware of them and dig them out and dig them out of the data. And I don't want to become the podcast statistics person. We don't want to do that. That's not really the point. But if something becomes a big deal – It does make sense for us to just like put up an easy way to do that because it's quicker for us to just.

1:15:32 We can do a few things on our database. It's a five-minute cron job once a day, and it just solves a problem so people don't have to go and pound out this data and spend half a day working with it to find these things. I'm glad to do it. Glad to do it. And that should be… with some value to the podcast index. Yeah. 402. I'm telling you, 402 in our future. We got some boostagrams coming in. for which I have a hard out. Can you tell? I have a hard out. I do. I can see you pivoting. I got a hard out. Triple seven from Sam over there. True fans. He is listening with half the bottle is empty. The banks are preventing AI agents because the banks have been made liable for every transaction and not every user agent is registered. We have a similar problem with vibe-coded apps hitting our database with no user agent. So we're going to block anything we don't know about. We'll allow Apple, Spotify, Overcast, etc. And block all others using our WAF. They got a WAF.

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1:18:26 Michael Kemmerer, $5.33. And Randall Black, $5. Thank you, guys. Thank you so much. Where is my Albies? Where's the Albies? Your Albies, you know, your comic book blogger keeps complaining that your Albies is not performing properly. I've gotten him properly the last two weeks in a row. Then what is failing? What split is failing? Something is failing. Oh, it's me. We need to take me out of there because I'm not even running my own note anymore. Because my Ubuntu crapped. Okay. Let me see. Show info.

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1:20:00 Yo, CSB still stonewalled by Adam Clark Curry despite promises, boo. This gram was $20,000, $15.447 when sent on October 30, 2026. So you still get $15 or more despite catastrophic crash of Bitcoin, dot, dot, dot. catastrophic crash it's catastrophic three percent catastrophe i have a question before we go uh my pp monitor my pp monitor uh keeps getting oom um And I'm not sure why. I have the most recent version, but it'll blow up to like a gigabyte of memory. You're running PP Monitor and not a pod ping watcher? No, I think that's a good question. Hold on. I'm running, well, PP Monitor. No, hold on. So I am... You don't need PP monitor. No, no, no. I'm CloudWatcher. Where am I? Oh, yeah. Curry Compound. Okay. Yeah, that's your urologist. Yes. So I'm Curry Compound. I'm running... What release am I running here? 1.0.3 Iroh 1.0.3. And it keeps running out of memory. It'll bloat up to a gigabyte and then it has to restart. What is going on? That sounds like an old

1:21:34 release because we solved that. We solved that problem. Everybody's running on that. You should be on 0.15.0. Hmm... But I see everyone else running on the same 1.0.3. 1.0.3? Was that IRO 1.0.3? Oh, yeah. Well, the IRO version doesn't matter. Oh, hold on. I see. It's 0.15. No, I'm running on 0.15.0. And you're running Podpain Gossip Watcher, not the monitor? Yeah. I don't know what I'm running. PP monitor. What is your friendly name? Curry Compound. Very friendly. Curry compound 15... How much RAM do you have available? Oh, I got oodles and oodles. Here, let me tell you what the issue is. Because it can go up to, depending on the number of quick connections, I mean, it can go up to 500 or so. Oh, no, no. It'll launch? Is it maybe because I'm asking for too much of the history? Is that possible? Are you launching it with Archive? Like asking for the archive?

1:23:05 Am I launching it with archive? Are you... Send me your... I assume you're running a Docker, right? You know what? I wish I could just sound really good, but I just had my robot set it up. So I have no idea what's going on. Oh, Archive is on. Archive is on. Catch up. It serves catch up to peers that were offline, catches up itself after a restart, SSE stream on, whatever that means. So the archive file is now 1.3 gigabyte, grows with 50 megabytes a day. Ask your robot what the Docker command is using and send it to me so I can see what it's running. Give me the Docker command you're using. You're doing voice? Yeah. Oh, I've been doing voice on Omarchi since I installed it. Really? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Typing is for pussies. I'm still typing. I've clearly got effeminacy issues.

1:24:16 Oh, no. Here, I'm going to send you this whole thing. Here we go. No, why would you type, man? No way. No way. Yikes. Okay. Okay. pod ping node curry combat yikes he says okay trusted publishers what am I doing wrong Dave what am I doing wrong well that's the gossip watcher okay so it's not running it from docker it's just running it straight Is that wrong? No, no, that's not wrong. Did it set up a system D? Is that what it did? Uh... I don't know. I'm asking you questions you do not know the answer to. I would turn off SSE. Did you use a system, D? No, just ask it. Well, you've got a hard memory limit of 900 in there. Yes, that's it. Did you put that in there? No, of course.

1:25:14 I didn't do anything. I just said, I want to be part of this community. How much memory do you have available? Oh, I have like 20 gigs. Okay, bump that – just take the hard memory limit out. That line that says pod ping mem hard. You don't want it to be hard. You want it to be soft. I have memory max 1G. But that's a lot of memory. Yeah, but take – okay, take the thing that – the settings that say PodPing MemSoft MB and PodPing MemHard MB. Just take those out. Take PodPing Soft MB and PodPing Hard MB out. Okay. This is – The reason is because it's supposed to auto adjust those things on the fly. You would think so. I remove both lines. They only take effect at a restart. So I restart Node, which is about 10 seconds offline. Then I check memory limits. The Node's watchdog picks for itself without them. Okay, good. Your robot sounds like CSB. Okay. It wasn't clear. What I said was, I want to be a good citizen of this community, and I want to help as much as I can. Stick it in the bathroom. Okay. The service's own memory cap is two gigs.

1:26:40 Okay. That seems reasonable. It won't. It will not use – it will not go crazy and use all your memory. It will just – it will cap itself – At a reasonable amount, and then just it'll it'll internally restart the arrow actor if necessary to stay below that limit. So it's taken those memory limits should not be in there. OK. All right. False. All right. I have no idea. I know what it does, but this is what you have to live with now. Imagine your customer support. And I'm like, hold on a second. Let me tell you what I did. Okay. Yeah, like what did you type? I didn't type anything. I'm being honest with you. I didn't do anything. Docker? I don't know. Docker?

1:27:35 Docker of the Bay? I mean, I don't know what I'm doing over here. This is a strange new world. I once interviewed Docker. Does that count? I'm not sure. Oh, I love Dokken. Yeah, they were good. Dream Warrior? Yes. Yes. Who was the lead singer of Dokken? I forget who that was. Oh, why did you have to do this to me? I don't. Was Vinnie Vincent their guitar player? That sounds right. Or was he the guitar player for Alice Cooper? No, that was Steve Stevens. Steve Stevens, yeah. Dokken... Guitar player. From now on, every docker is now just going to be called Dockin'. I've got a Dockin' server. What? George Lynch. That's it. George Lynch.

1:28:20 Oh, yes. Nailed it. Nailed it. Nailed it. Yeah, Mr. Scary. I love it. Red Beach. Even Red Beach. No. Red Beach? No. He was White Lion, their guitar player. I raced against those guys. Oh, really? Yeah, it was the MTV celebrity. No, Winger. He was the guitarist for Winger, my bad. Kip Winger. Kip Winger, yeah. Yeah. No, who was the singer for White Lion? Those guys were drug addicts, man. Oh, from what I can remember, I hope I hope I'm remembering correctly, but I think they're like, yeah, I think they're pretty hardcore. Mike Tramp. Yes, that sounds right. Mike Tramp. Yeah, we did the MTV Celebrity Chevrolet Geo race sponsored in Denver. Denver Street Circuit, which was probably the only time IndyCar raced there. Okay.

1:29:24 Yeah, it was classic. Was White Lion, did they do, what was their hit? They did Wait? Wait, wait. Sounds about right. No, I sound just like him, right? It sounds about right. Yes, Steve Stevens was Billy Idol's guitarist. You're right. Oh, Billy. Oh, I thought he was Alice Cooper. Wait, didn't Steve Stevens also do something for Michael Jackson at one point? I know Eddie Van Halen did. Yeah, he did. Beat it? Beat it, yeah. Beat it. Beat it. I never had to love you. Okay. Now I only want to say... Before we go now. Okay. I'm going to have to hear. White Lion, Wait. Okay. We have to see. We've got to get this right. Yeah. Winger was a great band. I have... I still have a platinum and a gold record from Winger. Wait. Wait. Yeah, we used to hang out. Kip Winger. He was a cool dude. He kept on making music, and he's like, he just keeps making, he's making music today. Yeah, I think he's. Like solo. Oh, is he doing solo stuff? I didn't know that. He was a ballet dancer. No way. Yeah. The lyrics to some of these songs from glam metal bands in the 80s do not hold up well. Hey, I got a heart out. That's right. Thank you very much for reminding me, Dreb. And I'm one minute and ten

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