Episode 273: "Advertising is the Horse and Buggies of Podcasting"

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Podcasting 2.0 for October 2nd, 2026, episode 273. Advertising is

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the horse and buggies of podcasting. Oh, I'm excited. You

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know why I'm excited? Because things are changing in the

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world faster than, well, just faster. Faster than the days

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of the BlinkTag and HTML, probably. Okay. It's time for

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the board meeting of Podcasting 2.0. Yeah, we are the

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merry band of misfits that make it all happen right

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here for you. Everything in podcasting is going down right

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here. We are, in fact, the only board meeting that

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is cheaper than a gallon of diesel, but only barely.

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I'm Adam Curry here in the heart of the Texas

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Hill Country and in Alabama. The man who pushes out

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65. 5 terabytes a month and then just goes for

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a walk. Say hello to my friend on the other

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end, the one and only Mr. Dave Jones! I stumbled

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through it. Yeah, that was better than last week. One

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of these days I'll figure out how to do this

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podcasting stuff. Just getting started. The bot is too verbose.

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That's the problem. That was my own writing. Thank you

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very much. Well, I can't tell anymore. I know. You're

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mixing and matching. The bot is too good. I'm excited

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today, Jave Dones. Man, you are a good bud. We

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had an hour and a half sales meeting starting at

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10. Oh, yes, yes. But it was actually, it was

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quite, you know, the Christian broadcasters are my favorite because

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they're so excited. They want everything. They love it. And

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then like, but, you know, we got no money. You

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know, we're really poor. Yes, yes. Okay. Not even that.

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But I think it's because of like. Wait a minute.

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Where's the hidden fees? This can't be your price. There's

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too much going on here. I can tell they're worried

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about that. Oh, well, they don't. That just that just

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tells me they don't they don't know who we are.

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Yeah, because in fact, I said, do you know who

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I am? Oh, yes. I mean, if anybody knows us,

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the term like undercharging, that's going to be on my

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tombstone. I never charge anybody enough for anything. So this

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has been a very exciting week for me. Oh, you

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got a buzz. Your buzz is back. I heard it.

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It is? I did. It's faint. Just move the Choco

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Love a little bit to the left. No, I don't

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even have chocolate today. It's got to be something else.

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You never have chocolate. You have Choco Love. I don't

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have Choco Love either. You need Choco Love. Hello, boardroom.

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Chad said that I tune into the wrong stream. I

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don't know. Are we streaming? Are we streaming? Yeah. Okay.

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Yes. Jave Doan. So, okay. Oh, yes. I got you.

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They were listening. They were listening. Okay. So, where to

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start? Oh, I like it when it's a big one.

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I've got a big one, too. That's what she said.

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There it is! There it is! I hope not. Woo!

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Got it. Okay. Mine may be bigger than yours. Okay.

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We'll measure. We'll lay them both out and measure. Roll

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them out. Get the yardstick. And I mean yardstick. So,

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man, so much has been going on in my brain

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ever since this phenomenal shift in In the robot landscape.

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And by that I mean Muse specifically. where everyone's zigging

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and Zuckerberg zagged, and he comes up with Muse, and

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it is an actual useful robot. Not trying to be

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your buddy, trying to help you out. And I've been

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experimenting with this thing and I'm like, okay, I can

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see where people will use this and go, wow, this

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is kind of handy. It can do things for my

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life. And I'm not going to get into the depths

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of that. At the same time, I'm always thinking, what

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can we do with podcasting? What can we do with

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podcasting? If I were to say to you, what is

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the biggest problem in podcasting? What would you say? uh

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growing your show okay yeah that yeah yes discovery yes

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thank you discoverability you're right i'm trying to think of

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all the words that come at the end of the

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biggest problem in podcasting discovery yes exactly discovery and i

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i'm quite confident that the entire push to video comes

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from people seeing one thing on YouTube and one thing

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only, which is discovery, the algo. It's popping stuff up.

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It's where people can find your show, and then you

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can entice them to subscribe to your show, and then

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you can use HLS video and make them – and,

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of course, we heard from Sam Sethi last week that

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it's not really exploding the way – Some might have

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expected it's exploding exactly the way I expected, which is

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not exploding. And the problem really is discoverability. And we

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have all these wonderful tags that provide for great discoverability.

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Yeah. And recommendation, pod roll, trailers, person, clip, location. I

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mean, it's all there, right? It's a virtual smorgasbord. Of

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discovery tags. Yes. So two weeks ago, and we have

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been joking about this internally, but... We had a client

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meeting, and at some point someone threw out a term

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AEO, and it was like, oh, man, this is some

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Silicon Valley stuff here. What is AEO? Oh, yeah, I

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remember. This is the entrepreneur thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What

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did it stand for? Ask Engine Optimization. Okay. Exactly. And

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we were laughing about that. And then I was thinking,

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you know, If only my agent, my robot, could use

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some of this ask engine optimization to find things for

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me in the world of podcasting. So I've been thinking

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about this. And so I decided to cobble something together.

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Oh, okay. And – Oh, is this show and tell?

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It's a show and tell, yes. And I'm just thinking

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like how can we lift all boats because if Apple

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is going to do something, it's going to benefit Apple.

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If Spotify is going to do something, it's going to

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benefit Spotify. And how do we get – The podcasters

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to ask their hosting companies to add some of these

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new tags for discoverability to, in fact, as you said,

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grow your show. Besides getting your own dot com, you

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need to grow your show. Todd is speaking to me

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from heaven right now. And so I put together an

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MCP server. Oh, okay. Okay. Why are you laughing? Why

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are you laughing? Why are you laughing, white man? Why

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are you laughing? Why are you laughing at me? Shut

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up. Shut up. Now I got to go find it.

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I'm laughing because you railed at James the other day

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for the MCP server. and then you built one. Well,

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in fact, I built one that has all the X402

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payment rails built in. They're not turned on, of course,

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because I am completely expecting... in the near future, which

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could be a week, a month, a year, five years,

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I don't know. And that this consortium of Coinbase and

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Cloudflare and, you know, there's a lot of people involved

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in robot transactions. And in fact, X402 just added lightning.

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And, you know, so I can see this coming down

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the pike. So I'm like, you know, maybe the podcast

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index can benefit from that. But right now it's not

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turned on. And so I set up this MCP server

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and holy crap, the experiential results for myself have been

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nothing short of amazing. And I mean, like my so

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I'm using Muse. I'm using a lot of different robots,

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but I'm using Muse. as a consumer would do. Now,

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Muse does a lot of interesting things. It integrates. I'll

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give an example. So I give it a lot of

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permissions on purpose because I want to see how it's

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doing, you know, how it works. And so I said,

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why don't you... integrate with my text messages. That'll be

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a good start there. So I let it. Yikes. No,

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I'm okay. I let it. I haven't gotten any text

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from you yet. So that's. From your bot pretending to

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be. And so it's doing stuff like, good morning, Adam,

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Psalm for the day, Friday, October 2nd. This is the

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day the Lord has made. We will rejoice and be

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glad in it. And it goes through a couple of

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things here and says, Friday can carry a particular way,

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can't they? This week is winding down, but the big

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moments often land. A demo with everything riding on it.

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So it already knew I had this demo this morning.

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So it's weaving that into how it's speaking to me.

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A conversation that could open a door. Tempting to spend

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the morning rehearsing outcomes instead of receiving. seaving the day,

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blah, blah, blah, blah. So before your first cup is

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empty, name three things about today that are already good

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simply because he made them. Let the rejoicing come first.

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Then go show them what Godcaster can do. So, you

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know, little things like that. And they'll say, hey, you

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know what? I've moved your reminder to... do the backwash

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on the pool to tomorrow because it's raining right now.

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And it was, of course, raining. So it's these little

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things like that is not bad. By the way, Tina

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finds it's one of the creepiest things in the universe,

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but not bad. I think I'm on Tina's side. Okay.

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I'm a little creeped out by it, yeah. You know,

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people at the beginning of the internet said, I'm never

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going to put my credit card on the internet. Why

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would anyone ever, ever want to send somebody an email?

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This is ridiculous. I've been through this loop. I'm 62.

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I've been around the block. Yes. And then my robot

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also says... You know, this was published this morning, about

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20 minutes, the first new episode since you subscribed. Ron

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takes on what he calls a growing crisis in the

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church, Christians who own Bibles but don't know them. I

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think you might want to listen to this episode. Play

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it, cut me a clip, skip, give me a summary.

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And when I click on it, it opens up Podcast

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Guru for me with that episode. So... This. Idea. I

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think is big because when you look at this MCP

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server, and I'm going to open it up now to

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the boardroom. There we go. PodcastIndexRobot.com. It has a very

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simple explanation. of things you can do. You can just

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ask your robot, what's new in my shows? Find the

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part where they talk about X, who was the guest?

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Where else is this guest? Surprise me. What's made in

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Austin? How do I support this show? Hey, check for

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every 15 minutes if a new episode about this topic

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is out. It looks at PodPing. It looks at all

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of our data sets. It's using my API key. It's

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rate limited. Don't worry, Dave Jones. Okay. But the results

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are astounding. It is giving me recommendations for literally Christians

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and Bitcoin show. I never knew it existed. It's taking

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that from my interest that it already knows. It's making

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suggestions. It's making suggestions. It is maintaining watch over when

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a new episode drops. It even said, hey, there's no

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Pod News Weekly Review today. It looks like it will

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probably come out on Sunday, so hope you're not too

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disappointed. Here's something else I have in mind for you.

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It's blowing my mind. Well, how did – How does

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it know that Pod News Weekly Review won't be out

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until Sunday? How did it get that piece of information?

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I don't care. It's magic. That's valid. I mean, that's

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a valid answer. Well, because it looked at the transcript,

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and I guess it derived from the previous episode's transcript,

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that that is the schedule maybe for now or maybe

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for next week. I really don't know. I know there's

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not an episode today. Yeah. And it said, but here's

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the pod news daily. And interestingly enough, the robot tells

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me this. James is talking about the very thing we're

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trying to solve here because Apple just decided to change

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something with the with the highlighting of shows by region,

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even giving less ways for people to discover things. Yeah.

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But now, and you'll see if you look at that

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page, you're looking at the page saved, you have the

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page. You're looking at the page. Well, are you looking

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at podcastindexrobot.com? Yes. I was trying to get Pi to

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go grab the MCP server docs while you were talking,

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but it was too slow. Okay. I relented and I

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went back. I'm using eyeballs. I'm using actual eyeballs. All

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right. So it's a slash MCP for the... And you

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can see, you know, I have a piece for humans

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and a piece for robots, and I'm giving everybody a

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little simple way to hook it up to your favorite

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robot, you know, instructions for everybody. But in most of

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these things, you just blast that URL and it goes,

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oh, I see it's an MTP server. Okay, I'll connect

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it for you. It is. And what I like about

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it is it also has a thing for podcasters. You

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can say, where do I have it here? It's here

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somewhere. Rate my feed. And it will tell you what

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tags you could use for your Ask Engine optimization. Okay,

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okay. And it really is quite astounding how well this

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works. Now, the way I... What does it do? Okay,

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I'll let you finish, and then I'll ask my questions.

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Okay. So one...

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Once you hook it up, if you look at the

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page, it gives you human commands you can give it.

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So what the server does is not that much. The

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server will understand when your robot – so you tell

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your robot, hey, I really want to know something about

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accounting on October 5th. If there's any new episodes anywhere

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of any podcast in the entire universe, let me know

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if something pops up and suggest it to me. Your

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robot will remember these things. Your robot is going to

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use this as one extra data source to enhance your

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life, make things better for you, help you discover new

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podcasts. And I've only tried it on Muse so far,

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but it's doing it. It has taken this as a

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data source. It's like, okay. Adam wants podcasts. And, you

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know, like, hey, I'm going to go to Austin on

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Wednesday, find something for me to listen to. But I

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want it to be about this topic and it's going

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to go and find it. And the cool thing is

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it's player agnostic. So I use podcast guru is my

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go to. So every link it pops up for an

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episode. It's a podcast guru link. So it opens up

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Podcast Guru, the one I'm already familiar with. So it's

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agnostic and it helps everybody. I really think that people

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are going to use their Muse, their GrokBot, their Dots,

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their chat GPT. They're going to use this in their

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life in a way that they want to enhance their

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life. People are always looking for something to do, something

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to listen to, or maybe something to watch. And I

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have a feeling that this MCP server, which I just

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call the Podcasting Next Robot, will help people discover things

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and will help podcasts be discovered for whatever reason. So

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just if you've connected it to your, was it Pi?

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Just say, okay, what's a podcast near here? I don't

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think a single podcast app has location search built in

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yet. I'm sorry, except for true fans, obviously. Well, and

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the... And the canonical Alberto location, Atlas. Right, right. But

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now you can just type it into your robot where

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you're already scheduling your life doing things. So... So what

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I told Pi was when you first dropped the URL

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for me, I said – What did I say? I

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said, go look at podcastindexrobot.com and find the MCP server

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documentation. Somehow about four turn about about I don't know

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four paragraphs of thinking in it started decomp trying to

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recompile Omarite in Omarji. Yeah. It says, Omerite is a

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compiled QT6 binary, a GUI markdown. I'm like, what are

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we even doing? So I hit escape, and I said,

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stop fiddling with Omerite and just figure out how to

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use Podcast Index Robot. And so now it's actually doing

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something. So I'm going to – as soon as I

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get a chance, as soon as it stops mucking around,

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I'm going to – Actually, give it a thing, but

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I don't – so – So give me your idea.

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I mean, because this is this is this is cool.

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Very, this is, I mean, an MCP server into the

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podcast index. Mm-hmm. We've been kicking that around, and I

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think what you're – I think what your – an

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MCP server by itself is just – it's just API.

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So I think what your flavor on top of this

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is is the more interesting part. And what I'm –

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what I think I'm hearing from you is that you

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think – This will solve discovery By making people, by

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giving the people the ability to interact with podcasting the

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way they use a search engine like Google. I'm saying

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it's almost, first of all, it's better than Google. It's

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more like YouTube. But you can also just say... find,

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because it's looking at the fire hose too. At least,

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you know, I say, hey, find something that came out

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in the last 15 minutes. Now, your agent, your robot

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is going to have to set that up. But mine

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did it without me asking. I didn't say, you know,

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hey, make sure you track everything. I just said... So

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check every 15 minutes. Let me know if anything new

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has come out with this topic. And so it's looking

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at the fire hose and it's going back. It's retracing

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all the pod pings and seeing what came out. It's

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looking for live tags because I said, hey, if anything

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goes live, if everyone's streaming live, let me know. So

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it's parsing for that. All these sample questions are in

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the human readable document at the top of that page.

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So you have to kind of – and there's a

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what can I do. So for instance, I just said

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grade my feed, and I gave it the podcast index

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or the podcasting 2.0 feed. It actually has a couple

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things. Yeah. Chapters carry no images. Let's see. Now, which

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feed is this? Podcasting 2.0. Oh, okay. It even looked

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at the value splits. My robot has decided to tell

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me you can support this show. Click on this button

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here. Pops up a card, and it's a value tag

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button, and I can boost the show. It also is

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giving me lightning boostograms. It's doing without me asking for

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it. So it's got an MCP tools list. Mm-hmm. One

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of them is surprise me. Yes, exactly. And the first

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word is serendipity. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Like, I love how

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we call random number generators serendipity now. This is the

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pseudo-random number generators, I mean. Feed activity, podping events. Okay.

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Real-time feed activity from podping. Which feeds announced an update

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went live since a time? Updates arriving this. Okay. There's

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a lot of tools here. Yes. So did you walk

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the pod roll? This is really cool. When I say,

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what else sounds like no agenda? It gives me everything

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from the pod roll that I have in no agenda.

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So now it behooves people to be in my pod

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role, for me to be in their pod role, podcast

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near me, clip this moment, or just say, you know,

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like I use this with This Week in Bitcoin. And

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so first it pops up a description when the new

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episode dropped. And say, hey, Chris LAS has a new

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episode of This Week in Bitcoin. Here's what he's talking

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about. It's not the description per se from his description

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tag, although some of it is. But it also will

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go into the transcript, read it, parse it, and say,

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would you like a clip of this? Yeah, let me

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hear a clip of that. Yeah. Chad F said, can

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it fix key send? I don't think anything can fix

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key send, Chad. So I think – I think where

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the – it seems like the magic has to happen

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at the client. Yes, of course it does. And so

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let me – okay, so let me kind of ask

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my questions. So if – So you built the MCP.

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Mm-hmm. And then all of these things that you're doing,

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all these interactions you're having with MCP is all going

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currently through Muse. Is that correct? Yes. Yes. But it

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works on Claude, too. I've tried it with Claude. It's

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okay. It's the same. So the thing with… I don't

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know anything about Muse, so I'm really in the dark

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about what the thing is. I don't even know what

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it is. Okay. Muse is a harness that sits on

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top of several meta LLMs. You get your own virtual

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machine, but for people who just, oh, I saw this

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on Instagram or Facebook, I'm going to get Muse. See,

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download Muse. It's soul.md. Literally says, you're not a chat

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bot. You know, you're here to help this person. And

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you can actually just ask for it. What is the

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soul.md? You can use it on the browser. You can

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use the app. It doesn't matter. But it's a whole

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virtual machine. If you say show me your files, it

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shows all the files that it has. You can use

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FFmpeg and all the tools. It's basically a little personalized

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VM running on top of the LLMs that run somewhere

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in the meta cloud. And OK, but it's for you.

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It's just it's only listening to you. Very similar to

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GrokBot that also gives you a VM. But there you

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can get multiple bot. You can set up multiple bots.

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One of them could be your podcast bot. Always be

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looking for this. In fact, I gave it to Dana

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Brunetti. He's like, holy crap, I can't believe it. He

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says, I just want to know where my name is

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mentioned. All right, we'll put it in. Boom, 78 episodes

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of no agenda. There it is. So how it did

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that? It used the MCP. These things are becoming hot.

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You have to go back to the vision. And this

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is not, why are you roughing again? No, don't raff.

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I'm not raffing. I'm just – I had myself muted,

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and I came back from – From choking of laughter.

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No, no, no, no. I'm not – I promise you

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I'm not raffing. What is happening with these, and I'm

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seeing this all around me, this is what I do.

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Some would say I have one of my spiritual gifts

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is prophecy. That's why I'm always 10 years too early

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with everything, brother. That's why I always pave the way

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for the Jesus behind me, and I never make any

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money. So I want to reiterate that I'm truly not

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laughing at this. Since I'm a little – It's hard

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to explain. I'm having – I'm doing a lot with

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MCP and that kind of thing with the day job

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and that kind of thing. I'm actually deeply into this

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pool here. And – And what I'm a little struggling

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with is – Just the muse aspect of this thing

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and the unpredictability angle of. Ah, you call it unpredictability.

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I call it discoverability. Yeah. Thank you. Serendipity. Serendipity. Yeah.

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So I'm trying not to interrupt as much as I

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can because I want you to roll. Good. OK, so

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let's go back to the future that I see. OK,

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the future that I see ahead. The world is changing

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in unbelievable ways. Right now, we're already accustomed to seeing

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the six communist dictators on X pretending that they're in

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an episode of Friends. It's called Comrades. You've probably all

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seen it. It's hilarious. We're seeing people... Creating movie scenes,

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all kinds of stuff. That is just one aspect of

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what super intelligence is doing. But with these personalized robots,

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which is not a chat bot, it is something that

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has been put into the marketplace. And Muse, I think,

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is the. The best example, though, GrokBot is there as

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well. It is, people will, because they will, allow it

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to integrate into their lives. And so when I tested

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this as a consumer and fully well knowing what I'm

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doing here, I'm aware of all of the potential pitfalls

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of allowing Muse, which is on my phone, to read

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my text messages. So when it looks and it can

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read my calendar, and so when it looks at my

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text messages, and sees what I'm discussing with my friend,

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Pastor Jimmy, and then later it says, hey, you know,

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And based upon what I said to Pastor Jimmy, it

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says, hey, we've had some really bad rain here. The

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big storms predicted. Looks like really bad rain. Pastor Jimmy

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and Annette may not want to drive out on 87

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tomorrow night. That's too night. for dinner. And Phoebe probably

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will need to sleep in your room again. That's based

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upon something I said to Jimmy in a text message.

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But I didn't say anything about the weather. So here

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it is. Weather heads up, National Weather Service, Flood Watch,

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blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So if you're out for

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errands this afternoon, which I was yesterday, you're out for

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errands. Earlier is wetter. Tonight's rehearsal is Jimmy's call because

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he had to go to church to rehearse. Looks like

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a coin flip with showers lingering overnight. And Phoebe may

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want company again after this morning. So it's giving me

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a helpful hint intertwined with my life. Creepy. Yeah, absolutely.

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I got it. But people like creepy. People crave creepy.

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They want creepy algorithms all day long, and now it's

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personalized creepy. So my thinking was, if it's creeping on

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your life anyway, why not give it this extra wealth

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of information so that you can finally get some audio,

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mainly audio, but of course video will work, podcast RSS-based

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content. information, entertainment, infotainment, edutainment, call it what you want,

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based upon what your life is like at this very

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moment, based upon your interests. It knows to get me

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podcasts that, I mean, I don't want the hymns, podcast

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I want the Josh Howard's in podcast and I don't

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want to listen every Josh Howard's in podcast but I

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want to listen to it when he says something that

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interests me so the agent the robot is out there

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looking for new things all the time on its

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own schedule. I didn't set the cron job. It did

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that itself. And it's literally a cron job. And it

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is now parsing through the MCP to make my life

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better. That's the whole idea. And that's where discoverability, serendipity,

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enjoyability, and conversely, discoverability and growing your show comes together.

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And it's podcast agnostic. So I use what do you

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use? What app do you use? Podcast Guru. OK, every

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single time I find something, when you click on it,

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it'll open up the podcast guru. This is the future

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that I see. Man, I've got... I'm glad that you

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00:30:48,019 --> 00:30:53,039
laid the whole thing out because – If this is

465
00:30:53,039 --> 00:31:01,180
the future, Then... The podcast industry is effed. No, exactly

466
00:31:01,180 --> 00:31:08,509
the opposite. What do you mean? It's the opposite. Because

467
00:31:08,509 --> 00:31:15,329
this... And just a slight change of just looking at

468
00:31:15,329 --> 00:31:18,240
it from your from the angle you're seeing it at

469
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:25,420
now. your ride. This is the future. With a slight...

470
00:31:26,329 --> 00:31:34,220
different angle it's the end why because what comes next

471
00:31:35,259 --> 00:31:39,460
This is what you described is what you described is

472
00:31:39,460 --> 00:31:47,400
is amazing. It's it. It absolutely is amazing. But if

473
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:52,769
it gets to that point, Then the natural next step,

474
00:31:52,769 --> 00:31:55,869
which is only is not even a step, it's like

475
00:31:55,869 --> 00:31:59,900
an inch, is. And is what you said in the

476
00:31:59,900 --> 00:32:02,920
middle of that is I don't want to listen to

477
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:06,039
all of this person. I just want to listen to

478
00:32:06,039 --> 00:32:10,190
the parts that interest me. And what happens next is

479
00:32:10,190 --> 00:32:17,779
everybody's app just starts pulling clips out of podcasts. assembling

480
00:32:17,779 --> 00:32:20,990
them into a synthetic feed that it feeds back to

481
00:32:20,990 --> 00:32:26,420
Podcast Addict. And now you're no longer a podcast listener.

482
00:32:26,980 --> 00:32:32,860
You're a podcast... Scraper. Okay. Well, when that happens, all

483
00:32:32,860 --> 00:32:38,230
the advertising no longer applies. Nobody's hearing ads. The whole

484
00:32:38,230 --> 00:32:42,039
thing collapses. And I'm not saying that's a bad thing.

485
00:32:42,039 --> 00:32:46,139
I'm just saying that the podcast industry, quote, unquote, I'm

486
00:32:46,139 --> 00:32:49,920
using that term on purpose here. Mm-hmm. The podcast industry

487
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:53,119
as we know it, it's over. Okay, first of all,

488
00:32:53,119 --> 00:32:58,000
this has already happened with podcasting. This is when people

489
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:01,460
are morons and put their crap on YouTube and Instagram

490
00:33:01,460 --> 00:33:05,660
and shorts. My wife doesn't listen to Megyn Kelly anymore.

491
00:33:05,980 --> 00:33:09,460
She's, oh, no, there was this 12-minute YouTube video. Gone

492
00:33:09,460 --> 00:33:13,470
are all the opportunities for Megyn Kelly to promote and

493
00:33:13,470 --> 00:33:17,970
do everything. People putting stuff on YouTube shorts, which monetize

494
00:33:17,970 --> 00:33:21,259
at a 10 to 1 ratio over the regular YouTube

495
00:33:21,259 --> 00:33:28,079
video. Gone is all – possibility of someone watching something

496
00:33:28,079 --> 00:33:31,019
when you put it on Instagram. This has already happened.

497
00:33:31,740 --> 00:33:34,970
Now, what you're saying, maybe that may happen, but I

498
00:33:34,970 --> 00:33:40,460
personally believe that when it comes to audio specifically, specifically,

499
00:33:40,460 --> 00:33:45,630
people will... want to find things to listen to, and

500
00:33:45,630 --> 00:33:49,660
in a very busy world, will actually want to hear

501
00:33:49,660 --> 00:33:54,240
a 30-minute, one-hour podcast. hour and a half podcast. People

502
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:57,380
will want their robot to cue something up that they

503
00:33:57,380 --> 00:34:00,160
can listen to on their drive, which is going to

504
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:03,349
be four and a half hours to Dallas. People will

505
00:34:03,349 --> 00:34:07,769
want that. I can't change what people want. I can

506
00:34:07,769 --> 00:34:13,320
change the opportunity to for discoverability with all of the

507
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,809
tags we have built i believe this will drive incredible

508
00:34:16,809 --> 00:34:22,110
demand for adoption of tags of location pod role person

509
00:34:22,110 --> 00:34:25,599
i mean the idea that i want to hear Oh,

510
00:34:25,599 --> 00:34:27,889
this is a pretty good interview with this person on

511
00:34:27,889 --> 00:34:31,349
Rogan. What other interviews has this person done? Oh, well,

512
00:34:31,349 --> 00:34:34,970
here's three other episodes from different podcasts. Now, what you're

513
00:34:34,970 --> 00:34:39,699
saying, yeah, it's possible that people will only want a

514
00:34:39,699 --> 00:34:43,760
feed of clips. That's possible. But these people are lost

515
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:47,220
to humanity anyway. And maybe that's what happens. I can't

516
00:34:47,220 --> 00:34:52,090
predict that. I don't think that the issue is the

517
00:34:52,090 --> 00:34:56,179
clip part. I think the issue that I'm seeing is...

518
00:34:57,380 --> 00:35:02,230
The power that you described to do If Muse is

519
00:35:02,230 --> 00:35:09,039
this thing as you describe and it's good, free somehow,

520
00:35:09,039 --> 00:35:11,480
I don't know how this works. No, this is what

521
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:14,559
I said. I said it's got X402 built in and

522
00:35:14,559 --> 00:35:19,119
when that money starts getting turned on and MCP servers

523
00:35:19,119 --> 00:35:22,840
start charging, we're going to turn it on. Okay. Well,

524
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:28,710
regardless... When the... It's free to podcast. Guru talks to

525
00:35:28,710 --> 00:35:33,349
our index for free. Right, right. I got you. What

526
00:35:33,349 --> 00:35:39,420
I'm saying is that... It's not the clip part. That

527
00:35:39,420 --> 00:35:43,119
is the that is what I'm seeing as the, you

528
00:35:43,119 --> 00:35:47,699
know, the cliff that the podcast industry goes off of.

529
00:35:47,699 --> 00:35:51,820
It's the the power because what you know, what what

530
00:35:51,820 --> 00:35:55,400
is the next what is the next thing you say?

531
00:35:55,559 --> 00:35:58,570
Well, I'm. You know, hey, I don't I really want

532
00:35:58,570 --> 00:36:01,590
to listen to this podcast, the Better Offline podcast with

533
00:36:01,590 --> 00:36:04,110
Zitron. But it's got nine minutes of ads in a

534
00:36:04,110 --> 00:36:07,639
15 minute show. Take all the ads out. Oh, OK.

535
00:36:08,599 --> 00:36:12,179
But I've been saying this for years. I've been saying

536
00:36:12,179 --> 00:36:15,610
people will build their own podcast experiences that will strip

537
00:36:15,610 --> 00:36:17,980
all that stuff out. I've been saying that for years.

538
00:36:17,980 --> 00:36:22,320
You have. You have. But until now, it required somebody

539
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:25,639
building one of these stupid apps that was really bad

540
00:36:25,639 --> 00:36:30,639
at stripping ads. It's not like you've described. You've described

541
00:36:30,639 --> 00:36:33,679
something that is this powerful enough to do it perfectly

542
00:36:33,679 --> 00:36:36,960
every time. And that is that is a game changer.

543
00:36:37,119 --> 00:36:40,800
And I'm really sorry I ruined the podcast industrial complex.

544
00:36:40,940 --> 00:36:45,279
I'm very sorry. Boo, boo, effing who. Now, I will

545
00:36:45,279 --> 00:36:50,889
also say that from my own experience. The percentage of

546
00:36:50,889 --> 00:36:55,090
people who finish a podcast episode, now that's probably a

547
00:36:55,090 --> 00:36:59,750
little different with a daily like pod news, three to

548
00:36:59,750 --> 00:37:04,579
five minutes or three to six minutes. But in my

549
00:37:04,579 --> 00:37:08,909
experience, all of my podcasts, including this one. And we

550
00:37:08,909 --> 00:37:14,380
can probably look at OP3 stats. It's probably about 45%

551
00:37:14,380 --> 00:37:17,409
that finish the podcast that start listening. That's just a

552
00:37:17,409 --> 00:37:20,119
fact of life. So that's why I talked about this

553
00:37:20,119 --> 00:37:23,159
up front because I want more people to hear it.

554
00:37:24,119 --> 00:37:27,470
That's just a fact. Yeah. You are absolutely right. In

555
00:37:27,470 --> 00:37:30,820
fact, let's just let's we're doing it live. Let's try

556
00:37:30,820 --> 00:37:34,639
it live. Do it. OK. I want you to get

557
00:37:34,639 --> 00:37:39,880
the latest episode of Ed Zitron's Better Offline podcast, but

558
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:43,159
strip out all the ads at the beginning. Let's see

559
00:37:43,159 --> 00:37:45,699
what happens. In the end. Well, I just did the

560
00:37:45,699 --> 00:37:50,320
beginning. Okay. So let's see what happens. Let's see what

561
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:58,349
it does. Yeah. Yeah, so that's... So now James is

562
00:37:58,349 --> 00:38:07,970
going to report me for copyright infringement. This... Yeah, this

563
00:38:07,970 --> 00:38:13,279
is a game changer. I don't think that doing all

564
00:38:13,279 --> 00:38:17,179
this stuff – I've had my own experience with this,

565
00:38:17,179 --> 00:38:19,099
and I don't know that we're going to have any

566
00:38:19,099 --> 00:38:20,789
time to get into it at all, but I do

567
00:38:20,789 --> 00:38:24,179
want to follow up on it in the future. I've

568
00:38:24,179 --> 00:38:28,539
had my own experience with this whole idea of –

569
00:38:29,779 --> 00:38:36,239
bring like How do we deal with the power that

570
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:39,050
these tools have given us so fast? But it's not

571
00:38:39,050 --> 00:38:40,820
my – that's not – the tool is not my

572
00:38:40,820 --> 00:38:44,460
problem. No, I'm not saying it is. I'm totally not

573
00:38:44,460 --> 00:38:50,070
saying that it's anybody's problem. I agree with you. I

574
00:38:50,070 --> 00:38:54,860
don't think it is anybody's problem because once the –

575
00:38:54,529 --> 00:39:00,360
concept and the power to do a thing with technology,

576
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:05,989
once it becomes known, it will be done. Yes. And

577
00:39:05,989 --> 00:39:07,869
I think I made that – On earth as it

578
00:39:07,869 --> 00:39:13,559
is in heaven. Yeah, exactly. And I think I made

579
00:39:13,559 --> 00:39:15,210
this – I think I may have – Talked about

580
00:39:15,210 --> 00:39:17,340
this in a blog post when I was saying that

581
00:39:17,340 --> 00:39:20,260
advertising – I think I wrote a blog post maybe

582
00:39:20,260 --> 00:39:23,539
a couple years ago about advertising is going to –

583
00:39:23,539 --> 00:39:28,099
it cannot hold up. Right, but by the same token,

584
00:39:28,099 --> 00:39:34,860
let's just presume that this 402 stuff happens. And there's

585
00:39:34,860 --> 00:39:38,579
a lot of bigger companies than our little ragtag here

586
00:39:38,579 --> 00:39:42,440
who are working very hard to integrate this, this whole

587
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:46,179
AI bot commerce. And I truly believe that will happen.

588
00:39:46,739 --> 00:39:48,070
And this is good. Well, let me get to that

589
00:39:48,070 --> 00:39:52,750
part in a second. It's very possible that we will

590
00:39:52,750 --> 00:40:00,139
move to a... world where, like subscriptions, there will be

591
00:40:00,139 --> 00:40:06,179
a 402 subscription. And your agent will say, hey, I

592
00:40:06,179 --> 00:40:10,730
can listen to Ed Zitron, no ads. But it's going

593
00:40:10,730 --> 00:40:13,960
to cost you a dollar or whatever for you to

594
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:17,170
access it. I can totally see that happening. Now, you

595
00:40:17,170 --> 00:40:19,750
don't have to do that. You can be value for

596
00:40:19,750 --> 00:40:23,570
value. You can be completely non-commercial, as the majority of

597
00:40:23,570 --> 00:40:30,570
podcasts are, just for doing it. But this world... Amazon

598
00:40:30,570 --> 00:40:35,279
has blocked Muse from accessing its website, and for good

599
00:40:35,279 --> 00:40:39,480
reason, because they are crapping their pants. This thing will

600
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:42,679
go, well, you know, I can get this on Amazon,

601
00:40:42,679 --> 00:40:46,260
but I can get it directly from Google. the retailer

602
00:40:46,260 --> 00:40:49,599
or the manufacturer and looking at the price you know

603
00:40:49,599 --> 00:40:51,730
i can actually get it cheaper over here but it'll

604
00:40:51,730 --> 00:40:53,949
take you three days to get it instead of amazon's

605
00:40:53,949 --> 00:40:59,460
overnight i predict in the Even retail is doing dynamic

606
00:40:59,460 --> 00:41:03,099
pricing. Go look at McDonald's. They're not doing dynamic pricing,

607
00:41:03,099 --> 00:41:06,239
doing it by geography, but it will suit. Like Uber,

608
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:08,820
they charge me more just because they know that I'll

609
00:41:08,820 --> 00:41:13,800
pay for it. They surge Big Mac. Yeah. So but

610
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:18,869
then I can arbitrage. You know, Mr. Curry wants the

611
00:41:18,869 --> 00:41:22,369
Big Mac for $5, not your $6, but he's going

612
00:41:22,369 --> 00:41:25,220
to order four other Happy Meals to go with it.

613
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:28,550
Do you accept the price? I'm seeing this coming down

614
00:41:28,550 --> 00:41:32,460
the pike like it's just like a freight train coming.

615
00:41:32,579 --> 00:41:34,840
I can see it. The whole world is going to

616
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:37,279
change. By the way, my Muse app is still on.

617
00:41:37,519 --> 00:41:39,720
crunching away so i have no idea what it's going

618
00:41:39,720 --> 00:41:42,720
to do i have no idea i have no idea

619
00:41:42,720 --> 00:41:46,449
yeah we're doing it live um so this is happening

620
00:41:46,449 --> 00:41:50,559
whether we want it or not i'm just saying what

621
00:41:50,559 --> 00:41:55,130
an amazing opportunity that nobody else can do we are

622
00:41:55,130 --> 00:41:58,420
the only ones apple's not going to do this For

623
00:41:58,420 --> 00:42:01,800
Spotify, they're only going to want to do it for

624
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:05,420
things through Apple and on the Apple podcast app. And

625
00:42:05,420 --> 00:42:09,320
I guarantee you Siri will do certain things like this.

626
00:42:10,119 --> 00:42:13,880
Spotify will probably be much worse. You know, who knows

627
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:18,789
what those guys will do. But we are agnostic. And,

628
00:42:18,789 --> 00:42:21,869
hey, this is the whole kit and caboodle that we

629
00:42:21,869 --> 00:42:26,250
got. And, you know, you could probably tell your robot,

630
00:42:26,250 --> 00:42:28,789
hey, build me a player and show me the images

631
00:42:28,789 --> 00:42:31,340
and all that if you want to. But, you know,

632
00:42:31,340 --> 00:42:35,349
I like Podcast Guru. And I even said, find a

633
00:42:35,349 --> 00:42:41,019
most recent podcast that has... I went technical on it.

634
00:42:41,039 --> 00:42:43,820
So that has HLS video in the alternate enclosure. Sure.

635
00:42:43,900 --> 00:42:46,449
Here's the most recent one this week in Bitcoin. I'd

636
00:42:46,449 --> 00:42:49,809
never seen Chris. on camera. And you know what? I'm

637
00:42:49,809 --> 00:42:55,179
sorry that I did. It ruined a lot for me.

638
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:58,300
I really love the shot from behind kind of in

639
00:42:58,300 --> 00:43:00,750
the dark. I'm like, oh, that's very cool. I'm like,

640
00:43:00,750 --> 00:43:03,699
oh, you can't unsee it, right? Yeah. And then I

641
00:43:03,699 --> 00:43:06,230
got the, you know, the shot from the side with

642
00:43:06,230 --> 00:43:08,970
all the very different lighting. I'm like, oh, Chris, I

643
00:43:08,970 --> 00:43:11,440
didn't. I had a different version of you in my

644
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:14,840
mind. Chris, why do you look like that? Stop. Go

645
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:18,639
look the way I thought you looked. Exactly. So I

646
00:43:18,639 --> 00:43:23,050
want to be on the forefront of this. I want

647
00:43:23,050 --> 00:43:27,409
us to all benefit. I want the... uh podcasters it's

648
00:43:27,409 --> 00:43:30,880
coming it's coming whether we do it or someone else

649
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:33,889
does it it's coming i want you to have all

650
00:43:33,889 --> 00:43:37,820
of these aeo tags which is exactly what they are

651
00:43:37,820 --> 00:43:40,920
when you know i always have to question myself when

652
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:44,840
i scoff at someone like ask engine optimization no they're

653
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:50,199
straight up right This is an ask engine optimization play,

654
00:43:50,199 --> 00:43:54,420
and the optimization comes from having all of these tags.

655
00:43:54,659 --> 00:43:58,190
You know how much trouble I went through to find

656
00:43:58,190 --> 00:44:01,880
we get to do this by looking in my neighborhood

657
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:05,380
on Alberto's map? Well, I just said to my muse

658
00:44:05,380 --> 00:44:08,619
robot, say, find some podcasts near me. Boom. Spit out

659
00:44:08,619 --> 00:44:11,480
a whole list. This one's right around the corner. This

660
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:13,730
is over here. This is in Kerrville. This is in

661
00:44:13,730 --> 00:44:18,340
Bernie. I'm like, wow. That's what I'm talking about. Now,

662
00:44:18,340 --> 00:44:21,139
it's a lot of work for people. By the way,

663
00:44:21,139 --> 00:44:25,099
app developer, you can build this into your app. Have

664
00:44:25,099 --> 00:44:28,989
people connect their robot to your app and then talk

665
00:44:28,989 --> 00:44:32,400
to the MCP server. This is, to me, this is

666
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:36,670
one of the most, I'm just as excited about this

667
00:44:36,670 --> 00:44:41,340
as I am when Mark Andreessen said, hey. Check out

668
00:44:41,340 --> 00:44:43,539
this thing. You can put it on your Headless Sun

669
00:44:43,539 --> 00:44:48,500
3. It's called HCTPD. It's version 1.2. And use this

670
00:44:48,500 --> 00:44:53,470
Mosaic thing and then turn your MTV.com server from a

671
00:44:53,470 --> 00:44:57,960
Gopher server into this. When I saw that, my mind,

672
00:44:57,960 --> 00:44:59,380
I went, what?

673
00:45:00,059 --> 00:45:05,650
uh I quit MTV after that. I'm like, oh, I

674
00:45:05,650 --> 00:45:08,280
got to be here. I got to be here. Oh,

675
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:13,800
here we go. Done. Today's better offline monologue, Anthropics $413

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billion burden with the opening ad block removed. The raw

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file was 12 minutes and 36, but the actual episode

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is only 638, really. The rest was dynamically inserted ads.

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I stripped the full two-minute and 54 pre-roll movie promo,

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Odo, brilliant Nissan Levi's, and verified the new file opens

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on ads. Hello! Welcome to this week in Better Offline

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Monologue. Heads up, there's also about three minutes of ads

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00:45:42,139 --> 00:45:45,880
after the sign-off, Zep, Bound, Chase, etc. Say the word

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and I'll trim the tail too. Here we go. Music

685
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Whole Zone Media. Hello and welcome to this week's Better

686
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:58,800
Offline Monologue. I'm your host, Ed Zee. Boom! Shakalaka! I'm

687
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:01,179
telling you, you nailed it. You have seen the future!

688
00:46:01,179 --> 00:46:09,349
You have seen the future! Man, it's over. Yes, it's

689
00:46:09,349 --> 00:46:13,989
over. I'm sorry, but it's over. Mm-hmm. But it's not

690
00:46:13,989 --> 00:46:19,159
over for podcasting. No, it's over for the podcast industry.

691
00:46:19,519 --> 00:46:26,300
Possibly, yeah. Not possibly, definitely. I'm telling you, that is

692
00:46:26,300 --> 00:46:36,159
the end. I'm... Without words. I'm excited. Clearly, all of

693
00:46:36,159 --> 00:46:40,500
this stuff has been possible. That's not the – that's

694
00:46:40,500 --> 00:46:45,920
not – game over, man. Game over. I mean, like,

695
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:54,119
clearly it's been possible. We've seen this coming. And for

696
00:46:54,119 --> 00:47:00,010
a long time, it's just... It's so it's it's there

697
00:47:00,010 --> 00:47:03,570
now. It's just it's just you can't you can't say

698
00:47:03,570 --> 00:47:07,210
that, oh, well, nobody's going to listen to ads anymore

699
00:47:07,210 --> 00:47:10,010
when you have to go download a separate app that

700
00:47:10,010 --> 00:47:13,070
uses some iPhone model that you may your device may

701
00:47:13,070 --> 00:47:17,420
or may not support. And it's extracting half the episode

702
00:47:17,420 --> 00:47:20,460
like it's. And it's doing it's real buggy. You know,

703
00:47:20,460 --> 00:47:24,639
like that's never going to become the mainstream. But if

704
00:47:24,639 --> 00:47:29,780
if everybody because here's how this here's how this progresses.

705
00:47:31,349 --> 00:47:36,219
And this is directly relevant to what Daniel just said.

706
00:47:36,300 --> 00:47:38,599
There's a processing cost to all this. Of course. Of

707
00:47:38,599 --> 00:47:42,119
course there's a processing cost. But here's how it progresses.

708
00:47:43,590 --> 00:47:48,480
For some people... This is just going to be the

709
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:52,110
ability to run these small models and do these kinds

710
00:47:52,110 --> 00:47:55,659
of things will just become part of your desktop. In

711
00:47:55,659 --> 00:47:59,809
fact, it will be your desktop. And so when you

712
00:47:59,809 --> 00:48:04,460
just… You'll just say, hey, go find me a podcast

713
00:48:04,460 --> 00:48:07,230
and make sure to take all the ads. Take all

714
00:48:07,230 --> 00:48:09,269
the ads out will just be part of the thing

715
00:48:09,269 --> 00:48:13,230
you say. Yes. Yes. Because I can tell you I've

716
00:48:13,230 --> 00:48:17,409
been listening to more and more podcasts that have ads

717
00:48:17,409 --> 00:48:20,179
in it. And anytime I get a chance to go

718
00:48:20,179 --> 00:48:22,199
and pay for the podcast to remove the ads, I

719
00:48:22,199 --> 00:48:24,820
do. But Better Offline is a good example of a

720
00:48:24,820 --> 00:48:28,360
podcast where you can't get it with an ad-free version.

721
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:33,070
And the ad load in that show and others that

722
00:48:33,070 --> 00:48:37,039
I listen to – Is so absurd. Okay, but I

723
00:48:37,039 --> 00:48:40,929
just need to interrupt. You're right. This is the part

724
00:48:40,929 --> 00:48:44,699
I'm not worried about. First of all, there's multiple. So

725
00:48:44,699 --> 00:48:48,739
I can see in the boardroom, there's always the anti-AI

726
00:48:48,739 --> 00:48:54,500
people and it sucks. Whatever. Fine. It doesn't bother me.

727
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:56,940
Then there's going to be the people who focus only

728
00:48:56,940 --> 00:48:59,769
on one thing, the money, the money, the money, the

729
00:48:59,769 --> 00:49:04,159
money. Okay? The money is going to fix itself. That

730
00:49:04,159 --> 00:49:08,139
is what 402 is about. And if you want to

731
00:49:08,139 --> 00:49:12,659
access this content... and ads will not be a possibility.

732
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:16,900
I think you're probably right that that type of pre-roll,

733
00:49:16,900 --> 00:49:22,980
post-roll, dynamically inserted advertising, which is just horrible crap anyway.

734
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:26,500
I guess if you want to, if you're a douche,

735
00:49:26,599 --> 00:49:29,500
if you're a horrible human being, which probably means you

736
00:49:29,500 --> 00:49:31,690
will wind up in the deepest pits of hell, if

737
00:49:31,690 --> 00:49:37,400
you want to have your robot strip out the in-podcast

738
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:43,380
ad read, well, okay, that'll be possible, but we will

739
00:49:43,380 --> 00:49:48,760
have payment mechanisms That will be employed. It will happen

740
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:52,019
because otherwise the content won't be able to be made.

741
00:49:52,099 --> 00:49:54,670
People won't be able to get paid. But the plumbing

742
00:49:54,670 --> 00:49:58,369
is there. So this is going to happen. And you

743
00:49:58,369 --> 00:50:02,239
can lightning will be a part of it. um stable

744
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:05,070
coin will be a part of it trump coin will

745
00:50:05,070 --> 00:50:07,380
be a part of it any kind of whatever it

746
00:50:07,380 --> 00:50:10,849
is it's that is the future the future this is

747
00:50:10,849 --> 00:50:14,039
what i do and i tell you these things and

748
00:50:14,039 --> 00:50:17,340
i wind up i will die a just comfortable man

749
00:50:17,809 --> 00:50:21,550
It's just comfortable. I thought you were going to say

750
00:50:21,550 --> 00:50:26,059
penniless. You're like, I'll die moderately comfortable. I'll die comfortable.

751
00:50:28,260 --> 00:50:33,220
With a newspaper. And a tin can with pencils. But

752
00:50:33,220 --> 00:50:38,360
I have accepted this in my life. It's okay. But

753
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:41,220
I'm not going to hold back and say this is

754
00:50:41,220 --> 00:50:46,210
horrible because it's ruining the podcast industrial complex. I don't

755
00:50:46,210 --> 00:50:49,909
care. That's not what I do. What I do is

756
00:50:49,909 --> 00:50:55,199
I tinker and connect bits and bobs and gaffer tape.

757
00:50:55,279 --> 00:50:58,150
This is how podcasting came to be. It's the exact

758
00:50:58,150 --> 00:51:02,519
same thing. Like, oh, I throw this together. Yeah, look,

759
00:51:02,519 --> 00:51:05,170
it kind of worked with an Apple script. You know,

760
00:51:05,170 --> 00:51:08,250
that's so this is what I'm seeing. And I am

761
00:51:08,250 --> 00:51:12,980
seeing it all around me. I'm seeing. I'm seeing. The

762
00:51:12,980 --> 00:51:17,720
single mom with two kids, twins, three years old, love

763
00:51:17,720 --> 00:51:22,679
those kids. They are certified ISIS terrorists. Love them anyway.

764
00:51:23,470 --> 00:51:27,289
She works from home for a company and she has

765
00:51:27,289 --> 00:51:30,639
eight grok bots running and it has given her time

766
00:51:30,639 --> 00:51:33,610
back with her kids. Hasn't replaced her job. I don't

767
00:51:33,610 --> 00:51:37,519
see that happening anytime at all, maybe only improving her

768
00:51:37,519 --> 00:51:40,869
productivity. So she has more time with the kids, more

769
00:51:40,869 --> 00:51:44,199
time to visit her husband in jail. I mean, that's.

770
00:51:44,429 --> 00:51:48,309
That's what I'm seeing this stuff do. And this is

771
00:51:48,309 --> 00:51:54,389
robots in general have taken my production time with no

772
00:51:54,389 --> 00:51:58,779
agenda from 40 hours a week to four. You know,

773
00:51:58,779 --> 00:52:01,300
it had the quality hasn't suffered. I mean, I lost

774
00:52:01,300 --> 00:52:04,010
50 percent of the on air staff, but, you know,

775
00:52:04,010 --> 00:52:08,570
otherwise the quality hasn't suffered. You know, so this is

776
00:52:08,570 --> 00:52:13,539
what's happening. I don't I'm embracing it. I don't want

777
00:52:13,539 --> 00:52:15,730
to fight it. I want to see how can we

778
00:52:15,730 --> 00:52:18,179
make it better and. Yeah, I'm sure there will be

779
00:52:18,179 --> 00:52:21,760
people. Look, I've always railed against people listening at double

780
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:25,340
speed, like you're frying your brain and you're missing nuances.

781
00:52:25,720 --> 00:52:28,139
I can't stop people from doing that. I can only

782
00:52:28,139 --> 00:52:31,099
tell you what I think it will do. So will

783
00:52:31,099 --> 00:52:35,329
people only listen to clips? Yeah, maybe. They're doing that

784
00:52:35,329 --> 00:52:39,789
already. Who watches a whole Rogan anymore? No. You're on

785
00:52:39,789 --> 00:52:42,349
YouTube. Oh, there's a little thing of Rogan. Now, I

786
00:52:42,349 --> 00:52:46,119
know several people who listen to the entire episode religiously.

787
00:52:46,260 --> 00:52:50,039
You're always going to have that. So that's not the

788
00:52:50,039 --> 00:52:54,690
problem. This is only opportunity to get more people to

789
00:52:54,690 --> 00:52:58,130
discover your content. And it will probably be the people

790
00:52:58,130 --> 00:53:01,260
who have interests aligned with what you have to say.

791
00:53:03,300 --> 00:53:09,739
Thank you. Yeah, I think that you're – You know,

792
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:14,539
You're mentioning of the 2X speed up thing is a

793
00:53:14,539 --> 00:53:19,389
good analogy of where this all stands because once that

794
00:53:19,389 --> 00:53:23,829
ability is out there, you have to realize as a

795
00:53:23,829 --> 00:53:31,579
content creator, podcaster, there's nothing you can do about it.

796
00:53:32,300 --> 00:53:34,929
Because it's all a private experience you have no control

797
00:53:34,929 --> 00:53:39,279
over. Correct. If you allow your content to leave the

798
00:53:39,279 --> 00:53:45,300
barn – You've lost control. And the only thing that

799
00:53:45,300 --> 00:53:50,590
kept this from happening previously was we did not have

800
00:53:50,590 --> 00:53:55,380
– The ability to do – to take unstructured data

801
00:53:55,380 --> 00:53:59,789
and turn it into structured data so that you could

802
00:53:59,789 --> 00:54:03,519
then chop it up, that ability now exists and it's

803
00:54:03,519 --> 00:54:11,019
commoditized. And so all of – everybody's computer, everybody's phone,

804
00:54:11,019 --> 00:54:17,300
at some point. point down the line these things are

805
00:54:17,300 --> 00:54:20,829
just going to be baked into it. There's not going

806
00:54:20,829 --> 00:54:25,220
to be... There's going to be no barrier whatsoever. And

807
00:54:25,220 --> 00:54:28,659
at that point, I forgot who said it. It was

808
00:54:28,659 --> 00:54:30,460
somewhere in the boardroom, but somebody was saying, well, you

809
00:54:30,460 --> 00:54:33,559
just have to switch models. No, no more ads. You'll

810
00:54:33,559 --> 00:54:35,449
have to go V for V. And I think that's

811
00:54:35,449 --> 00:54:38,880
true. Well, but I get it. But that's true, though,

812
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:42,010
because you – we've always – everybody's always told us

813
00:54:42,010 --> 00:54:45,610
that you have to evangelize value for value. Well, this

814
00:54:45,610 --> 00:54:47,710
is going to do it for us. We don't have

815
00:54:47,710 --> 00:54:50,550
to worry about it. So I did something else just

816
00:54:50,550 --> 00:54:53,070
as a test. I said, what does Ed talk about

817
00:54:53,070 --> 00:54:56,619
in this episode? Well, it's a monologue on Anthropics finances,

818
00:54:56,619 --> 00:54:59,400
blah, blah, blah, and it gives me this rundown. And

819
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:02,590
I noticed here the bigger point, all this AI debt

820
00:55:02,590 --> 00:55:05,039
is now competing with U.S. treasuries. I said, make a

821
00:55:05,039 --> 00:55:07,739
clip for my friend Dave about AI debt competing with

822
00:55:07,739 --> 00:55:11,610
U.S. treasuries. Okay, here's a 58-second clip. And the more

823
00:55:11,610 --> 00:55:13,769
money that everyone borrows, by which I mean AI data

824
00:55:13,769 --> 00:55:17,529
center companies, AI labs, and hyperscalers, the more expensive it

825
00:55:17,529 --> 00:55:20,190
becomes for everyone to borrow, as I discussed a few

826
00:55:20,190 --> 00:55:22,949
weeks ago with Paul Kudrosky. So, do you want me

827
00:55:22,949 --> 00:55:25,079
to text it to Dave, or are you sending it

828
00:55:25,079 --> 00:55:30,559
to him yourself? Well, you know what? Text... Text it

829
00:55:30,559 --> 00:55:36,739
to Dave Jones with a link to the podcast. Okay.

830
00:55:38,090 --> 00:55:40,550
There you go. This is what I'm talking about. This

831
00:55:40,550 --> 00:55:44,550
is discoverability. This is one of the biggest problems in

832
00:55:44,550 --> 00:55:47,539
podcasting. How do I share a little clip with somebody?

833
00:55:47,820 --> 00:55:51,070
Every podcast app has tried this. Very few have been

834
00:55:51,070 --> 00:55:58,960
super successful at it. So, um, While you've been talking,

835
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:04,510
the Pi agent has been building an extension to use

836
00:56:04,510 --> 00:56:09,119
the podcast index robot dot com MCP. And it finished.

837
00:56:09,119 --> 00:56:13,110
And now I just reloaded Pi and said and said,

838
00:56:13,110 --> 00:56:17,599
do you have your phone there by any chance? I

839
00:56:17,599 --> 00:56:19,989
do. Okay. Did you just get a text? It's going

840
00:56:19,989 --> 00:56:22,659
to send you a text message in a minute. I

841
00:56:22,659 --> 00:56:26,400
have no text yet. Not yet. No, because I tell

842
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:29,079
it to, it has to ask for permission to do

843
00:56:29,079 --> 00:56:31,960
that. Okay. I don't want it. We've been through that

844
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:34,139
loop. There it is, Adam Curry. What does it say?

845
00:56:35,059 --> 00:56:38,059
Okay. It says, Dave, Ed Zitron on AI debt versus

846
00:56:38,059 --> 00:56:41,340
U.S. Treasuries 58-second clip attached, full episode, and there's a

847
00:56:41,340 --> 00:56:45,400
link. And it says AC. Now, you didn't write any

848
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:49,050
of that, I assume? I didn't, no. And then a

849
00:56:49,050 --> 00:56:51,690
follow-up text. Here's the Ed Zitron clip on AI debt

850
00:56:51,690 --> 00:56:55,470
versus U.S. Treasuries. All right, let me open it. It

851
00:56:55,470 --> 00:57:00,710
opened up Podcast Guru. 10 years. That probably just gave

852
00:57:00,710 --> 00:57:03,400
you the whole show. Podcast. Yes, the whole show. Yeah.

853
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:07,079
Podcast Guru doesn't have episode links. Oh, shame on you,

854
00:57:07,079 --> 00:57:12,960
Jason. And did you get the 58 second MP3? I

855
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:16,529
got a reference to it, but I don't think I

856
00:57:16,529 --> 00:57:18,529
got the MP. Let me see. The text where the

857
00:57:18,529 --> 00:57:21,099
podcast link went to Dave and the 58-second clip followed

858
00:57:21,099 --> 00:57:24,480
as an attachment in a second message. Android confirmed both

859
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:27,309
sent, though I can't confirm the audio rendered on his

860
00:57:27,309 --> 00:57:29,720
end. If he says it didn't come through, I'll send

861
00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:32,519
him a download link instead. No, it did not come

862
00:57:32,519 --> 00:57:36,559
through. It just says, here's the Zitron clip, but it

863
00:57:36,559 --> 00:57:40,980
doesn't have any attachments. Okay. Well, maybe, who knows? It's

864
00:57:40,980 --> 00:57:49,220
RCS. RCS should actually work. But I just said find

865
00:57:49,220 --> 00:57:52,980
podcasts near me. And it says here are some shows

866
00:57:52,980 --> 00:57:56,670
whose creators are based in Chicago. I inferred Chicago from

867
00:57:56,670 --> 00:58:00,320
your machine's time zone. Ah, from your machine's time zone.

868
00:58:00,460 --> 00:58:02,900
Okay. So it gives me a list. It says most

869
00:58:02,900 --> 00:58:07,000
of these are all small independent feeds hosted on RSS.com,

870
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:10,019
which is what the location tagged index mostly contains. Boom,

871
00:58:10,019 --> 00:58:13,279
boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Oh, because RSS.com makes it

872
00:58:13,279 --> 00:58:17,650
mandatory. That's probably why they dominate this list. Mm-hmm. Now,

873
00:58:17,650 --> 00:58:20,920
that's interesting. Now, you just told me something as a

874
00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:23,779
podcast. I'm like, holy crap, I better get my location

875
00:58:23,779 --> 00:58:26,340
tag in there. And so I said, no, I'm actually

876
00:58:26,340 --> 00:58:29,320
in Birmingham, Alabama. And I said, got it. I'm updating

877
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:32,179
your city. And now it's come back with a new

878
00:58:32,179 --> 00:58:36,880
list. You're in Birmingham. Heads up. There are two Birminghams,

879
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:40,420
one in USA, one in California. The UK. So I

880
00:58:40,420 --> 00:58:46,679
filtered the Alabama shows. It's a SEC Blitz. KDAV. KDAV.

881
00:58:46,860 --> 00:58:50,619
Yeah. The Real Truth with Tommy Spina. All right. Yeah,

882
00:58:50,619 --> 00:58:52,559
I know him. He's a local lawyer. And let's be

883
00:58:52,559 --> 00:58:56,639
holy for real. Faith, spirituality. Location tagged in there. Yeah.

884
00:58:57,460 --> 00:59:04,500
You have just... Witness the future. If you use it

885
00:59:04,500 --> 00:59:07,590
in that voice, I'm out of here. No, I don't

886
00:59:07,590 --> 00:59:15,019
want that. Welcome to the future, Dave! Equally troubling. Neither

887
00:59:15,019 --> 00:59:20,429
one of those are going to work. Man, I'm... Now

888
00:59:20,429 --> 00:59:22,909
you see it, right? Now you see it. Now you

889
00:59:22,909 --> 00:59:25,309
see it. Oh, for sure. Yeah, for sure. Well, the

890
00:59:25,309 --> 00:59:29,070
only two ways out of this, advertising is dead. It's

891
00:59:29,070 --> 00:59:33,880
toast. Sorry. Stick a fork in it. Possibly. Not. No.

892
00:59:34,940 --> 00:59:41,440
Not possibly. But 402, the 402 protocol is... I think

893
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:45,320
the way this will move in the future, and there's

894
00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:48,880
other ways, you know, there's other things like, you know,

895
00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:51,630
this is a protected link. You have to pay for

896
00:59:51,630 --> 00:59:55,029
access. You know, give me these bots will have access

897
00:59:55,029 --> 00:59:58,820
to your payment systems. All of this is coming. All

898
00:59:58,820 --> 01:00:00,199
of this is coming.

899
01:00:00,809 --> 01:00:04,250
Yeah. And boo-hoo for advertising. I'm sorry. Yeah, I love

900
01:00:04,250 --> 01:00:12,500
advertising. Not advertising. Ha! Man, I was not expecting this.

901
01:00:13,739 --> 01:00:18,139
You blew my mind. Sigh. My work is done here.

902
01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:27,300
I mean, so – Yeah, I think advertising is 100%

903
01:00:27,300 --> 01:00:32,369
toast. And so your only way out is value for

904
01:00:32,369 --> 01:00:37,449
value or X402. Those are your options. And I would

905
01:00:37,449 --> 01:00:41,760
get into it early. It's not mutually exclusive. Value for

906
01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:46,829
value can be exclusive. X402. You know, I expect you

907
01:00:46,829 --> 01:00:49,730
to send me a penny a minute or whatever, or

908
01:00:49,730 --> 01:00:52,130
send me whatever you want per minute. I mean, all

909
01:00:52,130 --> 01:00:54,750
of this is possible. And so that's why into our

910
01:00:54,750 --> 01:00:58,389
MCP server, I've already built all of the 402 payment

911
01:00:58,389 --> 01:01:04,199
rails. There's about three of them, I think. I think

912
01:01:04,699 --> 01:01:11,670
I would say X402... I would say the X4.2 is

913
01:01:11,670 --> 01:01:15,000
probably the way to go and to do it as

914
01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:18,869
fast as possible. Yeah. Because as soon as you get

915
01:01:18,869 --> 01:01:21,360
in on – anytime there's some kind of new thing

916
01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:25,670
that's discovery dependent, just getting something up and running as

917
01:01:25,670 --> 01:01:29,380
fast as possible is usually very advantageous because you get

918
01:01:29,380 --> 01:01:33,440
on the list. Mm-hmm. You're one of the first ones

919
01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:39,500
that come back when there's a query for what content

920
01:01:39,500 --> 01:01:43,599
supports this type of thing. I would say that that's

921
01:01:43,599 --> 01:01:46,340
the way it goes. I mean, I think – so

922
01:01:46,340 --> 01:01:50,260
the other question, though, is for this to keep –

923
01:01:50,260 --> 01:01:54,900
I mean, we're already having bandwidth constraints. Mm-hmm. For the

924
01:01:54,900 --> 01:01:59,429
podcast index robot – Do we X402 this thing so

925
01:01:59,429 --> 01:02:01,500
that we can get it? Yes, that's what I just

926
01:02:01,500 --> 01:02:04,429
said. I have the X402 built in because of course

927
01:02:04,429 --> 01:02:08,449
we'll have to. It's too much. Of course. But it

928
01:02:08,449 --> 01:02:12,239
will be commonplace. And this is why it's free now.

929
01:02:14,579 --> 01:02:17,940
The drug dealer model. Okay. So I had the robot

930
01:02:17,940 --> 01:02:22,420
build that page and it said the original copy said

931
01:02:22,420 --> 01:02:28,139
something like this said was the original copy. It said,

932
01:02:28,139 --> 01:02:32,150
here it is at the top, make your AI assistant

933
01:02:32,150 --> 01:02:35,389
smart about podcasts connected in one minute. And the original

934
01:02:35,389 --> 01:02:38,219
copy was make your AI assistant smart about podcasts free

935
01:02:38,219 --> 01:02:40,840
connected in one minute. I'm like, nope, you take that

936
01:02:40,840 --> 01:02:45,369
out right now. We're not promising anything for free. At

937
01:02:45,369 --> 01:02:50,550
all. Let me just ask. Will you tell me what

938
01:02:50,550 --> 01:02:57,539
payment rails you put into Podcast Index Robot? Sorry? No,

939
01:02:57,539 --> 01:03:00,280
I'm saying I'm just going to say you owe James

940
01:03:00,280 --> 01:03:06,059
an apology. I do. Yeah. Why? You mocked him. He

941
01:03:06,059 --> 01:03:09,920
said we needed to build an MCP server and charge

942
01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:13,289
for it. No, I'm not going to apologize. I'm going

943
01:03:13,289 --> 01:03:17,219
to thank him profusely. But this is what I'm saying.

944
01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:21,360
It was two mockings that I made. I was mocking

945
01:03:21,360 --> 01:03:26,099
the AEO. So many mockings. You know, and the Lord

946
01:03:26,099 --> 01:03:28,000
has told me not to do this. And I learned

947
01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:31,579
my lesson. And once I repented, because that I did

948
01:03:31,579 --> 01:03:36,019
do. I repent for mocking James. I repent for scoffing

949
01:03:36,019 --> 01:03:39,480
about the ask engine optimization. I repent for this. Are

950
01:03:39,480 --> 01:03:41,909
you kidding me? Here, three payment systems are in the

951
01:03:41,909 --> 01:03:48,139
code. X402 for USDC stablecoin on the base network. MPP,

952
01:03:48,139 --> 01:03:51,789
which is Stripe and Tempo for cards or stable coins,

953
01:03:51,789 --> 01:03:55,539
and L402 for Lightning Sats. It's all in there, ready

954
01:03:55,539 --> 01:03:59,739
to turn on. Do we have to still repent, though,

955
01:03:59,739 --> 01:04:05,119
from mocking that... entrepreneurial operating system no that's totally mockable

956
01:04:05,119 --> 01:04:08,449
that's just okay all right i'm not willing to give

957
01:04:08,449 --> 01:04:11,639
that one up no no no no no no but

958
01:04:11,639 --> 01:04:16,869
you know why wouldn't podcast apps i i already i

959
01:04:16,869 --> 01:04:21,409
can hear sam sethe already on the on the phone

960
01:04:21,409 --> 01:04:26,250
to hopefully dubai Oh, yeah. He's calling Mo. He's calling

961
01:04:26,250 --> 01:04:28,579
Mo right now. We need to have an MCP server.

962
01:04:28,699 --> 01:04:31,159
We need to connect that to that NPCs. Of course.

963
01:04:31,739 --> 01:04:35,900
Of course. And I actually think that we should consider

964
01:04:35,900 --> 01:04:40,119
some rules about this. Which are? For the index. Well,

965
01:04:40,119 --> 01:04:44,420
if you're a podcast app and you want to have...

966
01:04:44,750 --> 01:04:50,720
to build an MCP server with your existing API key,

967
01:04:51,159 --> 01:04:53,039
yeah, I think you're good to go. I don't want

968
01:04:53,039 --> 01:04:56,139
every Tom, Dick, and Harry building this. No, you can

969
01:04:56,139 --> 01:05:02,699
use ours. We got to draw the line there. True.

970
01:05:02,920 --> 01:05:06,210
Because those people don't pay us anything. They don't support

971
01:05:06,210 --> 01:05:14,269
us. So, X402, baby. Man, Adam, you asked me for

972
01:05:14,269 --> 01:05:18,659
a million dollar idea. I gave it to you. Mailbox

973
01:05:18,659 --> 01:05:23,880
money, Dave Jones, mailbox money. Mailbox money. I just was

974
01:05:23,880 --> 01:05:29,840
not expecting this. This is because this is not. A

975
01:05:29,840 --> 01:05:37,349
good thing for the – For the people... Who have

976
01:05:37,349 --> 01:05:43,139
decided that advertising is going to be their lifeblood. I

977
01:05:43,139 --> 01:05:49,460
just think – I'm not – To me, all the

978
01:05:49,460 --> 01:05:57,849
best stuff about podcasting is not – has nothing to

979
01:05:57,849 --> 01:06:01,670
do with advertising to me. And so from that standpoint,

980
01:06:01,670 --> 01:06:07,599
I mean we've – I've never... Like, the thought that...

981
01:06:09,190 --> 01:06:12,279
How do I explain that? I'm having trouble putting this

982
01:06:12,279 --> 01:06:15,119
into words because I'm just kind of stunned at what

983
01:06:15,119 --> 01:06:22,360
I just – Are you flabbergasted? I am flabbergasted. I'm

984
01:06:22,360 --> 01:06:25,559
trying to make sense out of what this means because

985
01:06:25,559 --> 01:06:32,300
– I'm telling you, this is... this is it's over

986
01:06:32,300 --> 01:06:36,369
for that segment of the podcast in the industry and

987
01:06:36,369 --> 01:06:40,019
I'm it's not a bad thing no because most of

988
01:06:40,019 --> 01:06:43,699
these people are already moving their big audiences over to

989
01:06:43,699 --> 01:06:47,650
subscriptions Apple is doing it Spotify is doing everybody wants

990
01:06:47,650 --> 01:06:51,840
subscriptions subscriptions are great because it's set and forget then

991
01:06:51,840 --> 01:06:55,539
you know although that's also changing because what is the

992
01:06:55,539 --> 01:06:59,279
first thing the Muse app asks you to do? Hey,

993
01:06:59,279 --> 01:07:01,789
would you like me to go and find subscriptions that

994
01:07:01,789 --> 01:07:04,519
you're paying for that you don't use? That's the first

995
01:07:04,519 --> 01:07:07,690
thing it did. I really did it find anything. Yes,

996
01:07:07,690 --> 01:07:11,279
of course. Why are you paying for this subscription through

997
01:07:11,279 --> 01:07:14,440
Roku? Like, I don't know, Tina, do we watch that?

998
01:07:14,440 --> 01:07:21,019
No. Okay. Unsubscribe. All right, I'm doing it. Unsubscribe. This

999
01:07:21,019 --> 01:07:25,150
entire industry is built on the set and forget subscription

1000
01:07:25,150 --> 01:07:30,800
model. So I think we actually organically move towards value

1001
01:07:30,800 --> 01:07:34,630
for value. But, you know, you can choose lightning and

1002
01:07:34,630 --> 01:07:37,929
it will do lightning. And I'm pretty sure we'll be

1003
01:07:37,929 --> 01:07:41,630
able to do splits and all that stuff. It won't

1004
01:07:41,630 --> 01:07:45,550
be keysend, but it will be, you know, what is

1005
01:07:45,550 --> 01:07:54,099
it? Yeah. What is the protocol? The forever invoice? No,

1006
01:07:54,099 --> 01:07:57,860
Bolt 12. Yeah, Bolt 12. Or it'll do stablecoin or

1007
01:07:57,860 --> 01:08:00,789
anything else, and it'll connect directly to your bank account,

1008
01:08:00,789 --> 01:08:04,119
James Cridland. It'll connect directly to your bank account, and

1009
01:08:04,119 --> 01:08:07,820
it'll pay... You know, either value for value based on

1010
01:08:07,820 --> 01:08:10,239
you'll have to do more has to be more than

1011
01:08:10,239 --> 01:08:13,320
zero. Otherwise, it won't you won't access it. I can

1012
01:08:13,320 --> 01:08:15,500
see all of this coming. So it's actually going to

1013
01:08:15,500 --> 01:08:18,970
be better for everybody. It's going to be painful. But

1014
01:08:18,970 --> 01:08:24,979
guess what? Advertising is the horse and buggy of media.

1015
01:08:28,949 --> 01:08:33,619
That's... A good line. It's a bumper sticker and a

1016
01:08:33,619 --> 01:08:35,590
T-shirt. It's a good line. It's a bumper sticker and

1017
01:08:35,590 --> 01:08:41,899
a T-shirt. Yep. So... Sam Sethi will be one of

1018
01:08:41,899 --> 01:08:44,140
the first people to implement it because he does that.

1019
01:08:44,380 --> 01:08:47,159
That's what he does. I'm telling you, he's jitty already.

1020
01:08:47,300 --> 01:08:50,100
He's like, he's half a bottle in and he's like,

1021
01:08:50,100 --> 01:08:58,659
Moe. We've got to get it. Moe. Vibe code it.

1022
01:09:00,800 --> 01:09:07,779
Yeah. We got to get our money. And I want

1023
01:09:07,779 --> 01:09:10,869
everyone to succeed. So, yeah. Yeah, it may break. You

1024
01:09:10,869 --> 01:09:14,840
know, it may. You say, yes, we just demonstrated. But

1025
01:09:14,840 --> 01:09:18,800
it also demonstrated. I just... Did you get the link,

1026
01:09:18,800 --> 01:09:21,559
the download link to the clip? Because supposedly, let me

1027
01:09:21,559 --> 01:09:24,130
see. I may not have given it permission. I got

1028
01:09:24,130 --> 01:09:27,059
something. Yeah, download link. Yeah, I got a link here.

1029
01:09:27,279 --> 01:09:32,680
Yeah. Oh, it's using a Muse.ai URL. Oh, that's my

1030
01:09:32,680 --> 01:09:40,550
server, I guess. You hear the link? Got it. How

1031
01:09:40,550 --> 01:09:46,619
cool is that? my robot talked to you all you

1032
01:09:46,619 --> 01:09:49,050
robots not hooked up oh well because your robot could

1033
01:09:49,050 --> 01:09:50,850
go hey i got a thing from adam want to

1034
01:09:50,850 --> 01:09:53,199
listen to the clip want me to subscribe to it

1035
01:09:55,039 --> 01:09:58,920
That's what I'm talking about. So this is what I've

1036
01:09:58,920 --> 01:10:01,840
been I knew this would happen. I knew it would

1037
01:10:01,840 --> 01:10:05,180
happen. Then here it is. I made it happen. I

1038
01:10:05,180 --> 01:10:07,840
mean, I didn't make it happen, but I demonstrated how

1039
01:10:07,840 --> 01:10:10,750
it how this is so obvious to me. But it's

1040
01:10:10,750 --> 01:10:15,010
only because I've embedded myself in these personal ages, not

1041
01:10:15,010 --> 01:10:19,199
chatbots, but the personal agents that. I've seen the power

1042
01:10:19,199 --> 01:10:22,880
of running agents to make my life efficient or my

1043
01:10:22,880 --> 01:10:27,039
work efficient. And now I've given it enough permission where

1044
01:10:27,039 --> 01:10:30,729
it's kind of enjoyable. It's doing things that I care

1045
01:10:30,729 --> 01:10:33,770
about. I don't look at my calendar anymore. It gives

1046
01:10:33,770 --> 01:10:36,239
me a heads up for this for this meeting. So

1047
01:10:36,239 --> 01:10:39,180
I said, OK, put this meeting on. Gordon sent you

1048
01:10:39,180 --> 01:10:42,770
an email. There's a meeting with Shine FM. That's part

1049
01:10:42,770 --> 01:10:47,199
of Olivet University. You want me to add that to

1050
01:10:47,199 --> 01:10:51,149
the calendar? Yeah. And then it says, oh, you know,

1051
01:10:51,149 --> 01:10:54,819
I've made a little demo prep for you. And in

1052
01:10:54,819 --> 01:10:58,479
the Muse app, you have multiple tabs, so it has

1053
01:10:58,479 --> 01:11:01,729
an artifacts tab. It says, all of that media group

1054
01:11:01,729 --> 01:11:04,130
demo prep, this is what it is, this is who's

1055
01:11:04,130 --> 01:11:10,739
coming, who they are, broadcast media university, uh... Sister Network,

1056
01:11:10,739 --> 01:11:15,000
who's on the call? Here's some suggestions where Godcaster could

1057
01:11:15,000 --> 01:11:19,909
be good. Some likely objections. Hello, Gordon Marcy. Likely objections

1058
01:11:19,909 --> 01:11:22,979
that why they wouldn't want to buy the product. Questions

1059
01:11:22,979 --> 01:11:26,520
for the call. Fresh ammunition. October 1 news. Oh, boy.

1060
01:11:26,520 --> 01:11:31,359
Here's something that you can. I mean, hello. That's amazing.

1061
01:11:31,920 --> 01:11:36,109
It's amazing. That is it. That's amazing. And you know

1062
01:11:36,109 --> 01:11:39,170
what? But it still took four people on the call,

1063
01:11:39,170 --> 01:11:44,359
human beings, to talk it through. That's the enjoyable part.

1064
01:11:45,079 --> 01:11:49,210
Eric, I think the internet is already just ages talking

1065
01:11:49,210 --> 01:11:51,440
to each other. I think that's already the case. And

1066
01:11:51,440 --> 01:11:53,220
you know what? I don't think it's a bad thing.

1067
01:11:53,960 --> 01:11:57,789
I really don't think it's a bad thing. I'm trying

1068
01:11:57,789 --> 01:12:06,949
to... I'm trying to be neutral on AI. I've made

1069
01:12:06,949 --> 01:12:11,380
my feelings about – I've made my general feelings about

1070
01:12:11,380 --> 01:12:14,630
just – about AI known in the past in the

1071
01:12:14,630 --> 01:12:18,329
– from the standpoint of just what the – like

1072
01:12:18,329 --> 01:12:23,340
from the human – the standpoint of the human condition.

1073
01:12:24,359 --> 01:12:28,609
Um, But on a day-to-day basis, I'm trying to just

1074
01:12:28,609 --> 01:12:33,399
be as neutral as possible. A phone call from heaven

1075
01:12:33,399 --> 01:12:40,340
for Dave Jones, line seven. What are we doing? What

1076
01:12:40,340 --> 01:12:42,979
is this? You didn't hear the harp? Yeah, I heard

1077
01:12:42,979 --> 01:12:47,619
it. No, that's a boost. You know what it is?

1078
01:12:47,940 --> 01:12:50,569
It's a boost that came through. I keep hearing some

1079
01:12:50,569 --> 01:12:53,059
other noise in the background, though. What are you hearing?

1080
01:12:53,449 --> 01:12:55,100
I thought I heard a harp all through the show.

1081
01:12:55,260 --> 01:13:00,029
Yeah. The harp is when someone says 777 or anything

1082
01:13:00,029 --> 01:13:03,739
with sevens in it. Oh, okay. That's the helipad. Gotcha.

1083
01:13:04,140 --> 01:13:09,090
Yeah. Yeah. But I'm trying to be as neutral as

1084
01:13:09,090 --> 01:13:11,390
possible because I just don't want to be the guy

1085
01:13:11,390 --> 01:13:13,510
who rails on AI all the time. And it's going

1086
01:13:13,510 --> 01:13:15,159
to be a part of our lives, so I'm going

1087
01:13:15,159 --> 01:13:16,899
to have to get used to it. I'm going to

1088
01:13:16,899 --> 01:13:18,140
have to learn how to live with it and all

1089
01:13:18,140 --> 01:13:23,159
that. So I'm just trying to… I'm trying to cope.

1090
01:13:23,699 --> 01:13:27,989
That's what I'm saying. I understand. Who was the guy,

1091
01:13:27,989 --> 01:13:33,149
the depressed guy? Not Network Chuck because he's anything from

1092
01:13:33,149 --> 01:13:37,069
depressed. No, he's not depressed. Who's the guy with the

1093
01:13:37,069 --> 01:13:42,039
beard, big beard? Moe Bitar. Moe. And he was talking

1094
01:13:42,039 --> 01:13:46,690
about Opus 5.5. And he was like, that's it. You

1095
01:13:46,690 --> 01:13:50,220
may not like DHH, but he's saying the same thing.

1096
01:13:50,279 --> 01:13:52,520
He's like, you know what? Let's embrace the days when

1097
01:13:52,520 --> 01:13:56,250
we wrote code ourselves. Now we're just makers. And that

1098
01:13:56,250 --> 01:13:59,940
hit me so hard. I'm like, yeah, I'm a maker.

1099
01:14:00,539 --> 01:14:02,800
That's what I am. And now I can make things.

1100
01:14:02,899 --> 01:14:05,279
And I made something. I made a piece of art

1101
01:14:05,279 --> 01:14:08,720
for my friends at Podcasting 2.0. Wait until I post

1102
01:14:08,720 --> 01:14:16,059
this on X. I'm just but I kept it for

1103
01:14:16,059 --> 01:14:21,279
you first for the board meeting first thank you No,

1104
01:14:21,279 --> 01:14:24,859
I'm right there. I've gotten to the point where I've

1105
01:14:24,859 --> 01:14:31,199
given up on coding. I've just been... I've been assumed

1106
01:14:31,199 --> 01:14:35,760
into the Borg. I've barely written a single line of

1107
01:14:35,760 --> 01:14:40,840
code myself and probably – A month. Mm hmm. Um,

1108
01:14:41,079 --> 01:14:45,460
because it's just, you can't, I can't fight it anymore.

1109
01:14:46,020 --> 01:14:50,369
And I disagree. Nathan G. I think God created us

1110
01:14:50,369 --> 01:14:54,279
to be makers. I think that's very different. Yeah. I

1111
01:14:54,279 --> 01:14:58,039
mean, very different. Yeah. I just don't think that, um,

1112
01:14:58,039 --> 01:14:59,979
yeah, I've given up and I've got a lot of

1113
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:02,729
on that too. I mean, it's just I've given up

1114
01:15:02,729 --> 01:15:06,720
on the coding front. But I mean, I just think

1115
01:15:06,720 --> 01:15:10,869
that this I find it exciting. I want you to

1116
01:15:10,869 --> 01:15:13,569
be excited for the future. You don't have to be,

1117
01:15:13,569 --> 01:15:16,239
but I would love it if you were. No, I

1118
01:15:16,239 --> 01:15:24,020
am. I understand that... I mean I'm building things with

1119
01:15:24,020 --> 01:15:26,270
this stuff all the time, and I'm pretty deep into

1120
01:15:26,270 --> 01:15:30,510
agents as well. I have to be – it's ultimately

1121
01:15:30,510 --> 01:15:32,449
going to be my job. I mean this thing is

1122
01:15:32,449 --> 01:15:34,409
going to – this stuff is going to infiltrate every

1123
01:15:34,409 --> 01:15:37,770
area of our lives. Yes, yes. There will – I

1124
01:15:37,770 --> 01:15:45,100
say short Microsoft. Seriously. Software companies is bad. Bad, bad,

1125
01:15:45,100 --> 01:15:49,399
bad. Yeah, no, I'm with you. But one thing that's

1126
01:15:49,399 --> 01:15:54,380
interesting that struck me a while ago – is when

1127
01:15:54,380 --> 01:16:00,250
you... You were talking about... Well, let me explain it

1128
01:16:00,250 --> 01:16:04,310
this way. Like as recently as just a few months

1129
01:16:04,310 --> 01:16:08,909
ago, we were talking about all the AI slot that's

1130
01:16:08,909 --> 01:16:14,119
being posted on Spreaker in order to get ad revenue.

1131
01:16:14,319 --> 01:16:18,210
So people reposting LibriVox recordings. That's not just that's not

1132
01:16:18,210 --> 01:16:21,909
AI. That's just repostings. But they'll repost it with some

1133
01:16:21,909 --> 01:16:24,189
fancy AI art, and it's just like, okay, well, you

1134
01:16:24,189 --> 01:16:26,149
just took a free recording and posted it on a

1135
01:16:26,149 --> 01:16:29,239
platform that gives you dynamic ad insertion, and now you're

1136
01:16:29,239 --> 01:16:33,630
just getting free money. So we've complained about all this

1137
01:16:33,630 --> 01:16:38,229
stuff, but now it's just going to – like this

1138
01:16:38,229 --> 01:16:44,739
fixed itself. Mm-hmm. This just fixed itself. Because I don't

1139
01:16:44,739 --> 01:16:48,239
know whether it's going to be six months. A year,

1140
01:16:48,239 --> 01:16:53,159
three years, five years, I don't know. But podcast advertising

1141
01:16:53,159 --> 01:16:58,250
is gone. It's toast. And so it's going to be

1142
01:16:58,250 --> 01:17:05,710
because once once it becomes very widely known that. That

1143
01:17:05,710 --> 01:17:08,609
this is just so simple to just say, hey, give

1144
01:17:08,609 --> 01:17:11,600
me this podcast with no ads in it. Once that

1145
01:17:11,600 --> 01:17:16,329
becomes just like 2X speed up and sleep timers and

1146
01:17:16,329 --> 01:17:20,609
all these features in apps, as soon as that becomes

1147
01:17:20,609 --> 01:17:24,220
a standard feature in apps, no advertiser will want to

1148
01:17:24,220 --> 01:17:29,149
pay for this stuff anymore. Yeah. Yes, you're right. Because

1149
01:17:29,149 --> 01:17:33,979
the download numbers become truly meaningless. Yes, correct. Because every

1150
01:17:33,979 --> 01:17:37,510
download is going to represent a local copy that can

1151
01:17:37,510 --> 01:17:46,079
be molested. Molested, yes. Of course. Of course. It's done.

1152
01:17:46,079 --> 01:17:50,729
And so the people, the small window of time of

1153
01:17:50,729 --> 01:17:55,319
however many years, I don't know, seven, eight, ten years

1154
01:17:55,319 --> 01:17:59,680
where dynamic ad insertion was a thing, it's over. The

1155
01:17:59,680 --> 01:18:02,949
reason why all of the – like I think social

1156
01:18:02,949 --> 01:18:05,869
media is over. I think a lot of things are

1157
01:18:05,869 --> 01:18:09,989
over. All these companies, they always want to build, I

1158
01:18:09,989 --> 01:18:12,720
want to build hardware. You know, Zuckerberg is, you know,

1159
01:18:12,720 --> 01:18:16,260
of course, he builds like a Tamagotchi looking piece of

1160
01:18:16,260 --> 01:18:20,289
crap. But, you know, your mobile device, I don't think

1161
01:18:20,289 --> 01:18:23,909
you're going to see apps. You know, just be... Just

1162
01:18:23,909 --> 01:18:26,760
tell the thing does what you want it to do.

1163
01:18:27,199 --> 01:18:30,090
It's your robot in your pocket and you just it

1164
01:18:30,090 --> 01:18:33,010
knows what you want. It gives you stuff when you

1165
01:18:33,010 --> 01:18:35,510
want it. I mean, when I go walk Phoebe Wednesday

1166
01:18:35,510 --> 01:18:38,970
night at nine thirty, pling. Oh, what's that? Oh, it's

1167
01:18:38,970 --> 01:18:42,640
Muse. Here's the latest this week in Bitcoin. Here's here's

1168
01:18:42,640 --> 01:18:46,140
what Chris is talking about. It knows that I'm on

1169
01:18:46,140 --> 01:18:52,579
the walk. Well, and the fact that it knows that

1170
01:18:52,579 --> 01:18:55,300
and that everything is going to come down local on

1171
01:18:55,300 --> 01:18:58,229
device means that all the apps will eventually have these

1172
01:18:58,229 --> 01:19:01,310
same capabilities. So Podcast Guru will be able to do

1173
01:19:01,310 --> 01:19:06,470
this internally. I hope so. The MCP server. Yeah, I

1174
01:19:06,470 --> 01:19:09,619
hope so. Grab whatever you want. And true fans will

1175
01:19:09,619 --> 01:19:12,220
be able to do it. Yes, I sure hope so.

1176
01:19:12,439 --> 01:19:18,789
Sure. It's depressing. No, it's. It's exciting and depressing at

1177
01:19:18,789 --> 01:19:21,500
the same time, which is a normal human experience. Which

1178
01:19:21,500 --> 01:19:24,930
is expressing. There you go. It's expressing. Expressing. Yeah, it's

1179
01:19:24,930 --> 01:19:31,899
expressed. It is a very conflicting time whenever you see

1180
01:19:31,899 --> 01:19:36,029
an old thing fading and a new thing happening. It's

1181
01:19:36,029 --> 01:19:42,800
normal to be... sanguine about it. Yes, it's okay. And

1182
01:19:42,800 --> 01:19:44,800
I get it because I have that at home. I

1183
01:19:44,800 --> 01:19:47,300
get really excited. I show Tina, look at what it

1184
01:19:47,300 --> 01:19:51,079
does. And she just went into the same funk you

1185
01:19:51,079 --> 01:19:55,329
did. She's like, this is depressing. You know, this is

1186
01:19:55,329 --> 01:19:59,359
getting, you're getting sucked in. I always like that. I

1187
01:19:59,359 --> 01:20:04,800
don't think so. But okay. The current time that we're

1188
01:20:04,800 --> 01:20:09,810
in where we're using gigawatt data centers to do this

1189
01:20:09,810 --> 01:20:12,600
kind of stuff, to me that's – But that's going

1190
01:20:12,600 --> 01:20:15,000
to end. That's going to end. It's going to end.

1191
01:20:15,000 --> 01:20:20,159
But the technology exists. Everything's going to crash down to

1192
01:20:20,159 --> 01:20:23,819
the local machine, and the end result is the same.

1193
01:20:24,899 --> 01:20:27,649
Yeah, except it won't be as expensive, and we'll have

1194
01:20:27,649 --> 01:20:31,220
more control over it. And it won't destroy the landscape.

1195
01:20:32,600 --> 01:20:36,970
Yeah, so... Anyway, I'm excited. I need to get you

1196
01:20:36,970 --> 01:20:40,300
out in seven minutes, so let's thank some people. I'm

1197
01:20:40,300 --> 01:20:43,460
sorry I took up all of the board meetings. No,

1198
01:20:43,460 --> 01:20:45,979
no. This is the most important board meeting we've ever

1199
01:20:45,979 --> 01:20:50,560
had. Oh, I'll quote you on that. It is, and

1200
01:20:50,560 --> 01:20:55,100
I'm convinced that this is – the most important thing

1201
01:20:55,100 --> 01:20:58,229
that I've ever seen in podcasting. I'm excited about the

1202
01:20:58,229 --> 01:21:01,579
ramifications. Yes, I'm excited for the future. All right, let's

1203
01:21:01,579 --> 01:21:03,550
look at the boosts to grams that came in. Triple

1204
01:21:03,550 --> 01:21:05,770
seven from a Chris, you know, sorry for all the

1205
01:21:05,770 --> 01:21:07,850
triple sevens. This is the best way to hear if

1206
01:21:07,850 --> 01:21:12,119
the payment went through. That's true. Super useful for testing.

1207
01:21:12,119 --> 01:21:16,619
Now boosting from LN curl dot LOL. A one-click wallet

1208
01:21:16,619 --> 01:21:23,000
for AI agents connected to Cast-O-Matic. Hello! Hello! Hello! Hello!

1209
01:21:23,899 --> 01:21:26,100
This is what I'm talking about. The future is being,

1210
01:21:26,100 --> 01:21:28,960
I always say, the show is the future of podcasting.

1211
01:21:29,579 --> 01:21:32,979
100 stats from Martin Lindeskog. Great to hear you have

1212
01:21:32,979 --> 01:21:35,359
come up with Kevin and Mellie mascots for your merch

1213
01:21:35,359 --> 01:21:38,229
store. Was that meant for us? I don't know. I

1214
01:21:38,229 --> 01:21:42,729
don't think so. Here's Sam Sethi. He's a three-quarter bottle

1215
01:21:42,729 --> 01:21:47,060
in 777 sats. We already have soundbites, chapters, and transcripts.

1216
01:21:47,140 --> 01:21:54,130
Now we have AI-generated snippets and tracking. Okay. Sam again,

1217
01:21:54,130 --> 01:21:57,420
777, a pro app version will allow this bot feature

1218
01:21:57,420 --> 01:21:59,859
to strip out ads and find snippets, et cetera. Yeah,

1219
01:21:59,859 --> 01:22:04,520
of course. Yep, yep, he's right. Eric PP, 375. 3-2-1-0

1220
01:22:04,520 --> 01:22:09,890
from CurioCaster. No message. Another from Sam. I agree 100%

1221
01:22:09,890 --> 01:22:12,770
with Adam. I spoke about this on Power weeks ago

1222
01:22:12,770 --> 01:22:14,840
and said true fans would call our bots. Oh, Kevin

1223
01:22:14,840 --> 01:22:17,479
and Kelly. Oh, so they're in a thread. That's what

1224
01:22:17,479 --> 01:22:20,500
happens on True Fans. I have not gone any further,

1225
01:22:20,500 --> 01:22:23,380
but this has got me excited again. Of course. Of

1226
01:22:23,380 --> 01:22:27,369
course, Sam. This is, you know what? Those investors who

1227
01:22:27,369 --> 01:22:29,729
are holding on to that two million quid, they're going

1228
01:22:29,729 --> 01:22:31,920
to be releasing that crap so fast, man. You have

1229
01:22:31,920 --> 01:22:34,109
no idea. Yeah, they'll put another two on top. That's

1230
01:22:34,109 --> 01:22:36,850
right. Another 777 from a Christian. It's been a while

1231
01:22:36,850 --> 01:22:39,420
since I've boosted, since many boosts. In a row, don't

1232
01:22:39,420 --> 01:22:43,060
get read or perhaps not received. Trying again. Now trying

1233
01:22:43,060 --> 01:22:47,279
from the RISVIL PWA wallet connected to Cast-O-Matic. Okay, well,

1234
01:22:47,279 --> 01:22:51,520
it's working. Thank you, Chris. There's another Sam 777. Wow.

1235
01:22:52,039 --> 01:22:54,989
If bots access snippets, then we will have to use

1236
01:22:54,989 --> 01:22:58,720
X402 for MCP API access. No ads, just premium content.

1237
01:22:58,899 --> 01:23:02,210
Reddit just turned off RSS. It made all third-party apps

1238
01:23:02,210 --> 01:23:05,560
register for API access, and they will charge for API

1239
01:23:05,560 --> 01:23:10,619
access using X402. That's the future. Martin Lindeskog, Rove Ducks,

1240
01:23:10,619 --> 01:23:13,409
happy belated International Podcast Day. Yes, that was the 30th

1241
01:23:13,409 --> 01:23:16,680
of September. I talked about funding, tag, location, pod role,

1242
01:23:16,680 --> 01:23:19,779
and social interact in episode 28 of Tea Party Media.

1243
01:23:20,199 --> 01:23:24,979
By the way, smorgasbord is Swedish. It's sandwich table. Smorgasbord.

1244
01:23:25,420 --> 01:23:32,500
Rove ducks with 22,22 satoshis. Sam again. It's a Samapalooza.

1245
01:23:32,539 --> 01:23:35,699
If bots will access snippets, then we will make MCP

1246
01:23:35,699 --> 01:23:38,729
access X402 to charge bots for access. This is what

1247
01:23:38,729 --> 01:23:43,630
Reddit just announced, yes. Another Chris. Chris, you know, 777,

1248
01:23:43,630 --> 01:23:47,149
been a while since a boost. Okay. Trying again. Hello

1249
01:23:47,149 --> 01:23:49,859
from the Primal App Wallet connected to Cast the Matic.

1250
01:23:49,920 --> 01:23:51,940
He's trying them all out now. Oh, he's hitting everything.

1251
01:23:52,279 --> 01:23:57,329
Yeah, he's doing it. Martlinus Kog, 1701, is valueforvalue.info lost

1252
01:23:57,329 --> 01:24:02,039
in cyberspace? Starship boost was 1701. Yeah, I didn't –

1253
01:24:02,039 --> 01:24:08,449
valueforvalue.info is not mine. It was a dare Gigi and

1254
01:24:08,449 --> 01:24:12,829
he let it lapse. So if someone can find that

1255
01:24:12,829 --> 01:24:15,309
one, then I'd love to get it back up. The

1256
01:24:15,309 --> 01:24:17,140
site may be gone, but we can still use it.

1257
01:24:17,840 --> 01:24:23,000
Mike Newman's 1777. He says ripped and Dreb Scott. One,

1258
01:24:23,000 --> 01:24:25,779
two, three, four. Go podcasting. And I've hit the delimiter.

1259
01:24:30,779 --> 01:24:37,720
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. I'm still just kind of reeling. Okay, let

1260
01:24:37,720 --> 01:24:41,350
me do these donations. We got some PayPals. We got

1261
01:24:41,350 --> 01:24:46,340
Brendan Mulligan, $25. Thank you, Brendan. Podpage. Salt Sessions, $10.

1262
01:24:47,899 --> 01:24:52,399
Martin Lindeskog, there he is, $1. Cameron Rose, $25. Thank

1263
01:24:52,399 --> 01:24:59,869
you, Cameron. Cameron. Ralph Estep $50 Charles Hicks $5 Thank

1264
01:24:59,869 --> 01:25:06,619
you Ralph by the way Bob Rathmill $40 Did Bob

1265
01:25:06,619 --> 01:25:10,789
send $40 thank you Bob Is Bob new I think

1266
01:25:10,789 --> 01:25:13,100
he might be new I think he might be new

1267
01:25:13,300 --> 01:25:18,920
You, Wendy, fire-minted. Let's see. I want to make sure

1268
01:25:18,920 --> 01:25:21,539
I didn't miss a note from Bob. Let's see here.

1269
01:25:22,800 --> 01:25:32,270
Uh... He just says thanks. Thank you. Let's see. Where

1270
01:25:32,270 --> 01:25:36,159
are we at? Bob Rathma, yeah, $40. Dreb Scott, $15.

1271
01:25:36,500 --> 01:25:40,220
Thank you, Dreb. Thank you, Dreb. Michael Kimmerer, $5.33. Thank

1272
01:25:40,220 --> 01:25:43,940
you, Michael. We got a bunch of anonymous through TrueFans.

1273
01:25:44,020 --> 01:25:49,140
We got 39 sats, 406, 13... Oh, okay, we have

1274
01:25:49,140 --> 01:25:55,279
406, another 13. You don't have the metadata. It doesn't

1275
01:25:55,279 --> 01:25:58,220
resolve. Not out of true fan. Well, it just says

1276
01:25:58,220 --> 01:26:00,920
anonymous. Yeah, see, helipad, you have a little button you

1277
01:26:00,920 --> 01:26:04,039
press, and then it resolves and gets the metadata. Well,

1278
01:26:04,039 --> 01:26:06,409
I'm not as good as Eric. No, Eric PP is

1279
01:26:06,409 --> 01:26:11,220
just badass. Yeah. Yeah. That's part of why I've given

1280
01:26:11,220 --> 01:26:15,649
up. On AI coding and just giving in is because

1281
01:26:15,649 --> 01:26:19,199
it's better than me. There you go. There you go.

1282
01:26:19,659 --> 01:26:21,590
I'm not ashamed to admit it. It's just a better

1283
01:26:21,590 --> 01:26:24,059
it's just a better coder than I am. I've always

1284
01:26:24,059 --> 01:26:28,229
I've always my coding ability has always been by pure

1285
01:26:28,229 --> 01:26:36,399
brute force. And logic. And so the subtleties of small

1286
01:26:36,399 --> 01:26:43,210
issues I've always struggled with, and I will eventually get

1287
01:26:43,210 --> 01:26:46,609
them resolved by just throwing massive amounts of time at

1288
01:26:46,609 --> 01:26:50,300
it. And now you're getting all that time back. Melissa

1289
01:26:50,300 --> 01:26:55,859
must be happy. She is. Okay, good. Uh, oh, what

1290
01:26:55,859 --> 01:27:05,210
happened to... What happened to... Whatever happened to all the

1291
01:27:05,210 --> 01:27:10,539
heroes, all the Shakespeareos? No more heroes anymore. Did you

1292
01:27:10,539 --> 01:27:13,260
get comic strip bloggers? I did. I did. Why is

1293
01:27:13,260 --> 01:27:16,300
this not showing up on mine? Shall I read it?

1294
01:27:17,380 --> 01:27:19,309
Let me see if... Let me grab it. Try to

1295
01:27:19,309 --> 01:27:23,229
grab it from one more place. Trans, I'm... My system

1296
01:27:23,229 --> 01:27:26,309
has been pretty stable so far, and this is the

1297
01:27:26,309 --> 01:27:28,479
first time I've had a hiccup. Let me see if

1298
01:27:28,479 --> 01:27:34,279
I can grab it over here. I'm not seeing it.

1299
01:27:34,380 --> 01:27:37,279
You're going to have to do it. 18,000 sats from

1300
01:27:37,279 --> 01:27:41,149
a comic strip blogger. And he says, howdy, Adam and

1301
01:27:41,149 --> 01:27:45,710
Dave. This time I recommend a podcast, Your GLP One

1302
01:27:45,710 --> 01:27:51,260
Bestie by Gianna Beasley. Quote, your GL1 bestie is a

1303
01:27:51,260 --> 01:27:56,940
science-backed podcast and community for people navigating GLP-1 medications like

1304
01:27:56,940 --> 01:28:01,460
Ozempic, Wagovi, and Monjaro. Both Horowitz and Gene, two friends

1305
01:28:01,460 --> 01:28:05,279
of Adam, take Ozempic, so it might be of interest.

1306
01:28:05,699 --> 01:28:10,199
Yo! CSB, Ozempic taker due to high blood sugar levels

1307
01:28:10,199 --> 01:28:15,479
up to 240 milligram per deciliter, whatever, not due to

1308
01:28:15,479 --> 01:28:22,000
weight loss. This gram was sent $15.56, 18,000 Satoshis. Yo,

1309
01:28:22,000 --> 01:28:27,229
CSB. Thank you, CSB. Thank you, CSB. I'm going to

1310
01:28:27,229 --> 01:28:30,420
have to now go back and debug my thing. Well,

1311
01:28:30,420 --> 01:28:33,600
you're not going to debug it. No, I'm giving up

1312
01:28:33,600 --> 01:28:36,239
on that. You know who's going to do the debugging.

1313
01:28:37,300 --> 01:28:41,100
I gave, I'm giving up. Any more? Was that it?

1314
01:28:41,859 --> 01:28:46,880
That was it. Oh, 2-0-1, 2-0-1 and 30 seconds. Perfect.

1315
01:28:48,539 --> 01:28:51,899
My muse just reminded me to tell you to transfer

1316
01:28:51,899 --> 01:28:54,649
that domain to me, but I will tell it to

1317
01:28:54,649 --> 01:28:57,449
remind me again this weekend because you won't do it

1318
01:28:57,449 --> 01:29:00,760
now, right? I will not. Can I have mine? You

1319
01:29:00,760 --> 01:29:04,489
tell it to remind you to remind me to remind

1320
01:29:04,489 --> 01:29:07,559
my thing to remind me. That's exactly where we're going.

1321
01:29:08,380 --> 01:29:11,659
All right, everybody. That's it for Podcasting 2.0. You are

1322
01:29:11,659 --> 01:29:14,140
witnessing the future. You're a part of it. You're building

1323
01:29:14,140 --> 01:29:28,500
it. We'll see you next Friday, everybody. Bye-bye. Thank you.

1324
01:29:31,899 --> 01:29:38,369
You have been listening to Podcasting 2.0. Visit podcastindex.org for

1325
01:29:38,369 --> 01:29:45,039
more information. Go podcasting! It's blowing my mind.