Episode 274: "Vibe Cloning"

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Podcasting 2.0 for October 9th, 2026, episode 274, Vibe Cloning.

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Vibe Cloning. Hello everybody, welcome to Podcasting 2.0. It is

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time once again, you know what it's time for, we're

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going to talk about all things podcasting. We are the

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place where the board meets, the board of directors to

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determine what's going to happen to podcasting or something like

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that. However, we are always the board meeting where our

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total liability to you is zero. I'm Adam Curry here

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in the heart of the Texas Hill Country and in

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Alabama. The man who wrote a Terms of Service you

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can read in three minutes. Say hello to my friend

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on the other end, the one, the only, Mr. James.

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Dave Jones! correction i did not write anything well hey

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i didn't write anything either a robot wrote this and

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then i've added a few lines that was fantastic i'm

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like hey dave we should rewrite our terms of service

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okay let me let me give it a shot uh

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Three minutes later. Yeah, yeah. What do you think? Yeah,

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this looks pretty good. Yeah. I'm like, I was like,

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rewrite our terms of service. Uh. Here's the main five

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points I want to hit. Okay, that looks good. You

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good with that, Adam? Yeah. Yeah, I'm good. Looks good

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to me. But that was the best part. Our total

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liability to you is zero dollars. That was hilarious. That

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is completely the robot. I knew where it came from.

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I'm like, oh, man, this is just too funny. That's

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just too good. We owe you nothing. We owe you

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nothing. And you will be happy. You will be very

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happy. Yes. You will be owed nothing and be happy.

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So you are on my own personal guest box system.

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Yeah, what have we done here? You hit me with

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a new link this morning. You're like, we're not clean

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feed today. We're on this. Yes. You vibe-coded something? Yeah,

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well, in fact, I should probably do a little screenshot

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for the boardroom. They always love stuff like that. It's

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not quite as impressive as I would like it because

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there's no clips lined up or anything, but at least

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you'll get an idea. Hold on. on print screen yes

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okay print screen here we go is print screen the

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omarchie way to do a thing yes yes that is

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that's a full desktop screenshot yes um let me see

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i'm gonna do two screenshots this is one with your

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processing on upload And then I'll do one with... The

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cart. There we go. Print screen. Oops. Yeah, I did

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it. Yeah, this is the Currycaster 2. We're on a

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2.0 revision. Yeah, we are. Actually, 2.3.7. Oh, you're doing

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minor revisions. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So it now has built

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in live streamer, built in recorder with editing, the editing

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the way I like it with keyboard shortcuts and all

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that stuff. And has a clean feed replacement, which is

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built entirely on the same codec that clean feed uses.

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Which is what? It's some open source. I forget what

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it is. Actually, I can ask the robot. Ogvorbis? No,

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it might be. What's the codec we are using? I

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forget what it is. Hold on. It'll tell me. Um...

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Here it comes. No, no, no. The... For the guest

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room. Hey, I never saw a live come through on

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the Mastodon. Did you ping it? I'm pretty sure I

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did. Let me double check. Uh... Let me see. Episode.

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Yeah. Hmm, that's interesting. The live bot didn't retweet it.

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I can hit it again just to make sure. I

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wonder if my – I didn't get a notice from

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Cast-O-Matic either. Let me hit it again. You never know.

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It's amazing. Hit it twice. Just go ahead and hit

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it twice. Yeah, I hit it. Okay. So the codec

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is the – Yeah, Opus. Opus. Opus. Is that a

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Google thing? I don't know where it came from. Why

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is everything called Opus? Including some classical music piece. It's

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all Opus. Who needs that nonsense? Yeah. Come on. Opera

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Opus. And a bad movie with Richard Dreyfuss from the

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90s. So really all that CleanFeed does for you is,

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you know, they have a, you got to have a

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switching server, like a relay type thing. That's at currycaster.com.

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So I'll give you that. Like, what do you think

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of the web interface? Isn't that cool? Oh, it's nice.

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I've got, I've got some, I've got input. Yes. And

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a big mute button. You got that. Yes. Yeah, that's

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a bonus. I like the big mute button. I would

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say that... The level meter... bar that gives you instructions?

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Yeah, it's a little hot on the draw. I mean,

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like it's a little quick. So, I mean, as soon

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as my level drops, it's like, I mean, this thing

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is losing its mind right now. It's like level is

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good, level is good, a touch high, back off slightly,

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level is good, level is good. Hey, you're not talking.

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Too loud. That'll be short. We're not hearing you. You're

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not talking. I mean, it is within a millisecond that

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thing is all over the map. So it's a little

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too twitchy? Would you rather not? see that at all?

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Maybe just make a hide button for that. I think

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I would rather I like it, but I think it

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needs to be I think it needs to have like

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a um Just slower, just like a little relax. Don't

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react so fast. Yeah, a little more laid back. Laid

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back, laid back. I got you. It needs to take

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the Donna Summer a break. Yeah. So I got this

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thing. You can do just one mic. You don't need

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a mixer. Or you connect it to your Rodecaster. It

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saves the state of your... Clip directory and your show

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note, your prep and your your cart deck and the

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room and everything with a save. And, you know, so

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you can switch shows really quickly. I just went to

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town on this, man. You have like a command center

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is what this is. Yeah. Do you think it's too

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complicated? This is a command center. Well, yeah, this is

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what I need. You know, I got all the players.

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And all the mini map as tool tips for everything.

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I can mark things, you know, like, oh, I want

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to mark that in the show. When you play a

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clip, it automatically marks that as that clip was played.

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So it's easy to go back. You can export that

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all as chapters. I mean, the whole thing is like

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a podcaster's wet dream. That's it. Or maybe it's just

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mine. I don't know. It's possible people will go, huh?

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Yeah, I think most podcasters would look at this and

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be like, oh, what is that? Well, but it has

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all the things you need. You don't need to have

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a separate recording software and editing software. You don't need

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to have a separate streamer. You know, you got your

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cart deck. You don't need to have clean feed, no

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subscription. Although, of course, you'd have to have the switching

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station, which I guess only I have right now. Can

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we talk about this? I want to go straight into

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this exact topic. Okay. Okay. Um... So as... How do

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I start this game? There is a big... Well, you

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called me off guard last week, and you sent me

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into a mental tailspin over the course of this week.

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I felt kind of bad about it, but also I

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was a bit mad at myself, if I can just

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step back for one second, because Sam Sethi interviewed me

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this morning for Pod News Weekly Review. Power, power. For

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next week. I guess. And now I'm like, oh, man,

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I'm kicking myself because instead of the conversation starter I

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wanted, which was discovery, personal discovery of podcasts, it devolved

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into... advertising is over. And I'm like, ah, that's exactly

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not what I wanted. It's my own fault because I,

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I suggested it. Um, uh, and you know, and luckily,

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cause I've post, I posted on X and a couple

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other people are reposting. There's a couple thousand people using

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the podcast index robot.com. And they're not, I mean, I

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don't know what they're doing on their end, obviously, but

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I can see kind of what they're searching for, I

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guess, and what tool calls are being made. It's just

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I was personally upset that I even went there because

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it was like unnecessary, and it always – put something

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new and cool into a bad light. And that, of

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course, is immediately where Sam Sethi started off. Like, well,

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advertised killer. And that's what they talked about on Power.

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And then completely disconnected from that was, and then Adam

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made an MCP server. I'm like, it's the same thing.

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So it's complicated. People don't really grasp it yet until

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you try it, until you throw it into your robot,

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and then you can kind of see what it does.

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So, yeah, I sent you into a tailspin, but that

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was your first reaction to it. was because I told

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you about it, showed it to you, and they were

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like, advertising is over. I'm like, wow, what is wrong

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with us? That that's all that we think about. I

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mean, discovery is here instead of advertising is over. That's

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all that I could think of. And I just found

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it interesting that that's where most people – In the

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group. went to is oh well this is going to

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kill advertising oh no it won't yes it will oh

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it's great no it's not look at the discovery mechanism

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So instead of – I hear what you're saying, but

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instead of thinking – like instead of viewing it as

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– there was the wrong takeaway I think that we

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can step back and analyze and just ask why that

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was the first reaction ooh okay alright alright Mr. Freud

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I'm here laughing I think it's because... Um, The discovery...

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Discovery never really was broken. You've been saying this for

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many years. The discovery was never broken. Discovery of podcasts

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happens through word of mouth. Right. And you have said

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for many, many years that there is not a discovery

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problem. Podcasts will get discovered organically on their own, and

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that's in fact the only way they can be discovered.

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And can we improve it? Yes. But I think that

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improvement is sort of similar to saying, well, I –

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I just sit on the couch and eat ice cream

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and potato chips all day, but I'm just going to

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start taking magnesium because that's going to make me more

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healthy. Like – It's going to make like a fraction

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of 1% more difference to the health of your life.

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This other thing is going to be the bigger deal,

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which is discovery is already a thing. Discovery through the

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MCP server and through pod roles and all that. Yes,

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it is. These are all improvements. But there are improvements

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on a thing that may not have already been broken

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to begin with. I agree. The difference is that people

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increasingly have an assistant, a robot that is doing things

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for them in their life all day long, suggesting –

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Things to do, things to schedule, things to respond to,

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et cetera, et cetera. True assistant. So to have that

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thing recommend things to you, I personally have found already

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incredibly helpful. Because it's finding things that I didn't even

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ask for. It's saying, hey, you know, you're kind of

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interested in flying cars. Well, here's a podcast you might

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like. I did not tell it, go look for podcasts

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with flying cars. Mm hmm. So that's. Yeah. Yeah, I

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think it's the same thing. It's someone else telling me

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I'm not I'm not bumping into a YouTube video that's

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in the right hand sidebar. Right. And so I think

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you've empowered an agent to do essentially word of mouth.

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Precisely. So, and that is, like I said, that's legit.

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But if the question is, why was the other thing

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the bigger topic, I think it's because podcast advertising actually

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is broken. Like fundamentally, and we all know it. And

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it's broken in some – it's broken in not just

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one way. It's broken in many ways. And it's not

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just the advertising itself that's broken. Everything up and down

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the chain is broken. Like it's just – it's a

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completely broken from end to end function. Nobody even knows

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what to do with it. The listeners don't know what

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to do with it. The advertisers don't know what to

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do with it. Everybody in between. So I think it

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makes sense that that was the... That that was sort

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of like the gut reaction to, Because you're taking some,

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it's a big change in a thing that's already really

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effed up. It's pretty effed up, man. I mean, look

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at James' lead headline this morning about Adload. Yeah. You

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know, it's it's it's off. It's off the chart. And

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so I did what I was going to talk about

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last week. When you rug pulled me, I'm glad you

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did because this has given me so much to think

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about. Can I just mention one? Can I give you

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one more data point before you launch into that? Okay.

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Would love you to. Yeah, please do. So I don't

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remember the exact wording, but on the show I said,

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give me the most recent episode of Better Offline at

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Zitron and remove the ads at the front. And it

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took, I don't know, what, seven, eight minutes. And then

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all of a sudden, oh, there it is. We played.

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It was perfect. I did not ask. my robot to

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follow it. I did not ask it to do that

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from now on. I didn't do any of that. In

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fact, I just moved on and forgot about it because

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I subscribe to Zitron sometime. I don't really remember to

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listen to a lot of things. And this morning... Right

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after a flying car review... It says, new better offline

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episode, colon, monologue, colon, Australia's dodgiest AI IPO is a

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pale horse. Front ads cut, end ads remain. And right

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there, a player, exactly what it says on the tin.

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I did not ask for it, but it did it

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itself. Just, I guess, thinking that's what Adam wants. Thank

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you for explaining that because this – is exactly what

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i know is going to happen that's what i've been

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trying to say this week and you're right because i

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saw that i'm like dave's right so i mentioned last

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week and i want to talk about this later i

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want to talk about so the party time the aggregator

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that runs on on uh on all of our aggregator

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nodes I've completely replaced it as brand new. And it's

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rewritten from Node into Rust. and it's running on all

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the aggregators right now. It's superior. It used to take

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you a month to do something like that. I'm just

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saying. I'm telling you, this would have taken me months

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of work. Months of, not just months of piddling here

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and there, months of just, that's nothing I do. That's

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the only thing I do. So... It's completely rewritten in

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Rust. Every single metric is better. It's 70% less memory

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usage. It's 50% faster. And that's not – that's just

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scratching the surface. That's every – I want to talk

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about the full recipe of this in it, but –

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I mentioned I've given up. AI is just – it's

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better at coding than I am. Yeah, you just said

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that. And this was not true three months ago. No.

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No. Three, four months ago, I was better than LLMs

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at coding. I no longer am. You were a frontier

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model, in fact. I was. I was. Yeah. And –

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That we have to recognize... this. And when I say

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that it's better than me at coding, I'm going to

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say that I want to define those parameters. I'm saying

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it's better at structuring a code building process. The code

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itself, line by line, may or may not be better

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than what I would have chosen to write. If you

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look at it, just if you break it down and

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say, okay, line 53, would you have written that that

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way? Maybe, maybe not. Every choice line by line is

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not going to necessarily or function by function may be

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better and may not be. But if what you end

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up with in something like porting from one language or

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runtime to another, if what you end up with is

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byte identical output. With a 50% speed improvement and a

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70% memory reduction, then what I'm saying is the line

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by line is irrelevant. It really doesn't even matter anymore.

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It's better. It just is. And this thing built a

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process roadmap that I simply could not have built. And

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I'll talk about it, but it's like this whole thing.

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So I'm combining this experience. with what you hit me

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with last week. And then I start seeing other... Patterns.

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Patterns. Patterns. Patterns. Patterns. Yes. Patterns. So it looks like

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the new trend – With LLM development because in the

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last three to four months, it has become incredibly good.

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I think that Mo guy had a video in the

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last week or so that just said they fixed AI.

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And his sentiment is it's just it's just it's excellent

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at coding. And so the new trend is no longer

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doing things like React Native or Flutter. The new trend

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is. native apps on every single platform and you build

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one reference app, let's just say you choose iOS. So

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you're going to build your iPhone app or a Mac

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app as your reference platform. And then you just say,

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go make it great for Android. Yeah. And you say,

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go match, go port this to Android, Windows, Linux, Android.

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You know, every other platform in their native in their

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native SDK in their native platforms, native controls and make

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sure that it is bite for bite identical in its

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behavior. And it will just do it. And so like

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that, that's because it will build it. And the reason

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it can do that It's because it will build before

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it even begins the porting process. And this is what

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happened with party time. Before it even begins, it will

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create thousands of integration tests. And you just simply can't

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do that. You do not have the bandwidth. as a

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single programmer or even as a small team to build

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Let's say 7,000 integration and tests in a 2,000 unit

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tests. in order to automate fidelity with a reference app.

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Like you just can't do it. And so – and

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then a thing came up in the last couple days.

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vibe cloning vibe cloning there you go yeah vibe cloning

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wow show have you seen this stuff no oh yeah

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the adobe stuff amazing yeah yeah oh no so if

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you haven't heard about this it's pdf uh like pdf

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craft what's the name of this thing pdf create craft

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It's Artcraft. Artcraft.com. Yes. Let me copy this into the

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board. That was... I mean, I saw a kid, like

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a YouTuber photography kid, and he uses RAW, and he

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was showing how everything works. Some of it's even better

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in the Vibe clone. Runs on Linux. Hello? Hello? Amazing.

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Yeah, what this guy has done... Is it a guy

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or a team? It seems like a team. No, it

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seems to be one dude. One dude. It's an open

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source. I know. It's all open source. I know. This

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is the best part. So he just cloned every single

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Adobe app from Premiere down to Acrobat in Rust. Yeah.

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And it's like a thousand times faster. No, no, no

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scamware or or adware. And yeah, every it's everything is

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it's just perfect. And he did it all clean room

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to avoid copyright infringement and things like that. So it's

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all he's never he just said. Yeah. Clone this. Look

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at this app and build it. Well, I think Adobe,

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I had quite a conversation with a couple of friends

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of mine about this. Adobe will try and sue whatever

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they're going to do over proprietary layout and other things.

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They may have patented trademarks. You don't know. But that

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is completely irrelevant. It's open source. Everybody has a copy.

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You're done. And the money's gone. And the money's gone.

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And the money's gone. Yeah, right. And so then it

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comes out today or late yesterday that this same guy

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has also done the same thing for Excel, Word, and

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PowerPoint. Right. Did I not say short Microsoft software is

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over? I'm pretty sure I said that. Yeah. And so

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if you – and this is the thing. you can

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now As a company, You don't have to use this

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guy's thing. That's just an example. You just vibe clone

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his vibe clone. You do it yourself. Yep. You just

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do it yourself. And suddenly you say, Adobe Acrobat for

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like an enterprise – It's expensive. It's very expensive. It's

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as expensive as Microsoft Office. So 99 bucks a seat

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per year or something like that? Yeah, there's different volume

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licensing levels, but it's all subscription now. And so, you

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know, if you had like, I don't know, if you

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had like 300 seats of it, you're looking at. $200,000.

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Well, I mean, I was paying... Combined licenses for M-Air

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and... Hindenburg Pro, this is all when I was still

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on Windows, and CleanFeed, probably $300 a year. You know,

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not not bank breaking, but none of it worked exactly

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the way I wanted it to. And now I just

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built something in four days. That's not that's not entirely

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fair because I had I had a previous version. So,

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you know, I already gotten all the basics, mapping MIDI

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and all that stuff. But I just went to town.

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I just said, okay, I want this. And it came

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up with its own layout and everything. It said, no,

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that sucks. Change this. But there's a bigger thing going

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on here. It's not just, okay, let me step back.

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For decades, we have been using applications that were built

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for our computers and very restrictive. See all smartphones and

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app stores, very, very restrictive applications. I mean, this is

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why Microsoft Office is such a mess with just customize

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your ribbon. OK, you know, like you're working, you're the

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software is training you to work with it. And now

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we can just create our own software. That does exactly

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what we want it to do. It may not look

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great. It may be funky, but it's how I want

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it to work. And the only thing left of value

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is, is hardware. Transport. mass storage. And and data sources.

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If you have a data source that people want access

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to, you know, then it's up to you whether you're

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going to let them have access to that and how

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they can access it. And if they have to pay

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for it, because that's the next that's the next step

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that's coming because that anything this government regulated. Yeah. Come

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again. You listed out the only things that have value

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anymore in that chain, and I'm saying – Oh, yes.

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Okay. Things that are government-regulated behind it, and I think

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that's why – The AI frontier labs are trying to

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get themselves regulated because they want protection. Not just –

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in fact, so I had this epiphany myself. I'm like,

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no wonder people are propagating the AI is going to

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kill us all. It's going to kill them. It's going

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to kill their businesses. All their businesses are useless. It

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literally became useless overnight. And it's going to take a

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little bit because not everybody can concept things. And vibe

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coding. But I got a note from a – did

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I tell you about this? The homeschooling lady? Shelly? I

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don't think so. She said – she's been hearing me

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bang the drum about AI and Muse in particular. I've

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been saying, hey, Muse is a good place to start.

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We get to do this. And she says, hey, I'm

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a homeschooling mom. Ben, I've been kind of worried about

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this, but – I trust you. So I installed it.

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And right off the bat, three hours a week, I

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got back just immediately by letting Muse do the syllabus

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and whatever the homework is for these kids. So I

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got that back right away. And this is before the

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vibe cloning news came out. She said, I also have

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this business on the side that's kind of been dormant

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for about a year. She makes props and puppets for,

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you know, homeschool theaters or something like that. And she...

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She says really difficult to use Adobe. She just said

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Adobe. I don't know if she's using Photoshop or Illustrator

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or whatever she's using. It's been really debilitating to use

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Adobe to do my patterns and stuff like that. So

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I threw it into into Muse. It's about 20 minutes.

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It gave me a perfect pattern that I could sell

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right away. Which is interesting by itself. But it also

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built a little program for me that does exactly the

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things that Adobe was doing for me, but better. So

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when I hear this as a homeschooling mom, I'm like,

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OK, this changes everything. So people who are afraid of

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AI, particularly in Silicon Valley, it's because it's going to

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kill their business. All of it. All of it, except

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for hardware. But they come out with, ah, here's the

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new Surface. Notice they're not doing Dell, no Surface. Microsoft

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Surface, which we know is a pretty crappy platform to

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start with. But it now runs a local LLM and

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128 gigs of unified memory. So they see the writing

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on the wall. This is why Zuckerberg holds up that

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little fake and gay Tamagotchi. It's like, look, we have

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hardware for Muse. He knows. He understands.

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It's going to happen. If you don't have a hardware

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device, you're out of business. Yeah, well... Even social media.

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example. Well, newsletters is a good one. So Tina writes

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the church newsletter that, and she really, she's like, I

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hate this. Hey, I hate this robot stuff. I said,

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man, but a couple of her friends are using it.

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She said, no, I installed Muse. And, uh, no, it

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was kind of easy to, uh, It got me the

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newsletter items that usually take me a little while to

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find the promo reel and all this stuff. And I'm

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thinking, so then you go and you send this out

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via email. The next step is obvious. People will subscribe

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to your robot's communication, and it will be a direct

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communication. It may use... SMTP, it may use FTP, it

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may use distributed hash tables. I don't know. But why

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would we have to create something, send it through the

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horrible channel that is email? No, I want to subscribe

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to your robots newsletter. Boom. I can see it. So

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that That brings me to the ad thing. And I

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think that this – Advertising – has the same problem

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that Silicon Valley has. It hit a plateau in growth,

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and the answer, as we all know now, is they

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started to inshittify their products. Yeah. Absolutely. They started to

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make their products harder and more – they piled more

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and more friction into their products in order to get

467
00:31:47,119 --> 00:31:52,599
– More dollars per user extracted. And this is exactly

468
00:31:52,599 --> 00:31:57,029
the same problem that advertising has had over the last

469
00:31:57,029 --> 00:32:01,859
40 years. It has just slowly ramped up the friction

470
00:32:01,859 --> 00:32:06,359
of listening or watching. Anything that has ads in it

471
00:32:06,359 --> 00:32:10,910
has become ridiculous. Virtually unlistenable. We used to call that

472
00:32:10,910 --> 00:32:17,230
the interruption model versus the attention model. Okay. Well, it

473
00:32:17,230 --> 00:32:22,529
is absolutely an interruption model these days for sure. And

474
00:32:22,529 --> 00:32:29,240
because advertising could not resist in shitifying – The process.

475
00:32:29,799 --> 00:32:33,279
It is also going to be subjected to the same.

476
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:39,829
End around. That software is going to be. People are

477
00:32:39,829 --> 00:32:44,509
going to just. Opt out. Yeah. They're going to opt

478
00:32:44,509 --> 00:32:50,589
out. Forget all for a minute. Yeah. Hang up all

479
00:32:50,589 --> 00:32:53,680
the ideas of whether or not it's moral or if

480
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:58,400
it's – or any of those. It's completely irrelevant. It

481
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:02,759
is irrelevant what the ethics of stripping out ads is.

482
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:07,779
Ears. If it can happen, it will. It's going to

483
00:33:07,779 --> 00:33:12,529
happen. And and so it's going to happen because of

484
00:33:12,529 --> 00:33:16,960
this. At first, so if you're an app developer, a

485
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:22,910
podcast app developer, let's say that you're Pocket Casts. No,

486
00:33:22,910 --> 00:33:25,809
that's too much. Let's say that you're the Xavier at

487
00:33:25,809 --> 00:33:30,579
Podcast Addict. At first, it feels a little bit wrong

488
00:33:30,579 --> 00:33:33,220
to put that button in there that says take all

489
00:33:33,220 --> 00:33:38,380
the ads, take out the dynamic ads. But then you

490
00:33:38,380 --> 00:33:42,860
start seeing other people sort of edging it. And you

491
00:33:42,860 --> 00:33:45,599
yourself as a developer start to get pretty annoyed at

492
00:33:45,599 --> 00:33:48,920
the ads. And you start to see how – you

493
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,900
start talking to yourself a little bit from time to

494
00:33:51,900 --> 00:33:57,059
time about how you get zero benefit. Self? Yeah, self.

495
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,619
Who's – am I benefiting from these – from not

496
00:34:00,619 --> 00:34:04,339
removing these ads? Am I in the flow at all?

497
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:06,230
Is anybody paying me to keep these ads in the

498
00:34:06,230 --> 00:34:09,590
podcast, the ones that I don't like? Yeah. And then

499
00:34:09,590 --> 00:34:13,940
a few smaller apps with less listeners or less users,

500
00:34:13,940 --> 00:34:17,309
a couple of them start doing it. And you don't

501
00:34:17,309 --> 00:34:19,900
want to lose market share. So now you have to

502
00:34:19,900 --> 00:34:22,610
do it. But you have to do it, but you're

503
00:34:22,610 --> 00:34:25,269
also willing to do it. Yeah, I'm going to have

504
00:34:25,269 --> 00:34:33,519
to. Phoebe! It's a board meeting. I'm going to have

505
00:34:33,519 --> 00:34:37,750
to leapfrog you. This is what I was talking about

506
00:34:37,750 --> 00:34:41,099
with Sam. And it pains me, but why do I

507
00:34:41,099 --> 00:34:52,440
need podcast addict at all? Well, That is true. I'm

508
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:57,949
not sure what I think about that yet because there

509
00:34:57,949 --> 00:35:06,900
are – Um, There are apps that... that I love

510
00:35:08,019 --> 00:35:11,139
That already worked so well for my life that I

511
00:35:11,139 --> 00:35:14,130
don't I don't see the pain of going through trying

512
00:35:14,130 --> 00:35:17,110
to like recreate it just as some little one little

513
00:35:17,110 --> 00:35:22,170
feature that's one percent, you know. And it's not in

514
00:35:22,170 --> 00:35:27,529
the... I don't know yet. I mean, like. Okay. Try

515
00:35:27,529 --> 00:35:31,329
this. Okay. And by the way, this is for our

516
00:35:31,329 --> 00:35:34,340
own business, too. I mean, we have an app, you

517
00:35:34,340 --> 00:35:41,329
know, so these are very valid questions. Okay. My example,

518
00:35:41,329 --> 00:35:45,220
you know, I really just want a Rachel Maddow app.

519
00:35:45,500 --> 00:35:50,460
I want Rachel, Rachel's adjacent shows, the people she likes.

520
00:35:50,579 --> 00:35:52,929
I want it to show Rachel news. You want that

521
00:35:52,929 --> 00:35:56,139
to be your desktop theme, you know, aren't you? It

522
00:35:56,139 --> 00:35:58,980
already is. It's Rachel. It's Rachel Maddow. It already is.

523
00:35:59,300 --> 00:36:03,470
Okay. So... Why wouldn't I just say, make it, make,

524
00:36:03,470 --> 00:36:07,989
you know, I mean, I don't even have to have

525
00:36:07,989 --> 00:36:10,599
an app. I have an app. It's called my robot.

526
00:36:13,179 --> 00:36:16,059
This is my this is my point. Like, just make

527
00:36:16,059 --> 00:36:18,389
it work for me. Just do just show it to

528
00:36:18,389 --> 00:36:22,519
me. I'm already seeing it now. Now, currently, I don't.

529
00:36:22,519 --> 00:36:26,610
I'm a podcast guru guy. I love podcast guru. It's

530
00:36:26,610 --> 00:36:34,059
interface works well for me. so I told my robot

531
00:36:34,059 --> 00:36:37,139
when you show me something to play just make it

532
00:36:37,139 --> 00:36:40,909
a podcast guru link doesn't go straight into the episode

533
00:36:40,909 --> 00:36:43,949
it goes to the show how long before I'm so

534
00:36:43,949 --> 00:36:47,440
annoyed by that that I just say if I've cloned

535
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:50,269
this So I have an app that does it the

536
00:36:50,269 --> 00:36:53,840
way I want it to. Well, okay. See, I think

537
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:58,550
you described a barrier, though. Once you rebuild the entire

538
00:36:58,550 --> 00:37:02,699
app, you're now on the hook for maintenance. For yourself.

539
00:37:02,699 --> 00:37:06,079
For yourself. For yourself. Sure, for yourself, but then now

540
00:37:06,079 --> 00:37:08,690
you have to do all of that yourself. Right, but

541
00:37:08,690 --> 00:37:13,059
I'm taking it beyond the app and app stores. I

542
00:37:13,059 --> 00:37:16,889
just have a slab. A slab? I just have a

543
00:37:16,889 --> 00:37:21,730
computer slab with a screen, and it's running whatever it's

544
00:37:21,730 --> 00:37:25,809
running, and it's running an agent. And the agent does

545
00:37:25,809 --> 00:37:28,070
all this for me. I don't need to deal with

546
00:37:28,070 --> 00:37:30,320
the App Store. I don't have to think about Apple.

547
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:34,220
And I have to think all I need is the

548
00:37:34,220 --> 00:37:40,869
SMTP, RSS, HTTP, even questionable if I need that, DHT.

549
00:37:40,869 --> 00:37:45,750
I just need protocols. I just don't think we're there

550
00:37:45,750 --> 00:37:50,349
yet. No, but it's going very fast. Sure, but it

551
00:37:50,349 --> 00:37:53,110
may – that's a lot, though. From here to there,

552
00:37:53,110 --> 00:37:56,579
that's quite a big jump. I'm already there because I

553
00:37:56,579 --> 00:37:59,730
– But you don't want to do – like, you

554
00:37:59,730 --> 00:38:03,360
don't want to have to say – There's a usability

555
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:06,329
thing that's in this. You don't want to have to

556
00:38:06,329 --> 00:38:09,460
say, hey, agent, play the latest – prick up where

557
00:38:09,460 --> 00:38:12,380
I left off from the latest episode of Rachel Maddow.

558
00:38:12,659 --> 00:38:14,829
Like, you'd rather just swipe over and hit the play

559
00:38:14,829 --> 00:38:18,260
button. Yeah, but of course. I'm not – I don't

560
00:38:18,260 --> 00:38:23,559
– your interaction is wrong. I tell the agent what

561
00:38:23,559 --> 00:38:26,820
functionality I want, and this is exactly the process I

562
00:38:26,820 --> 00:38:30,440
just went through with Currycaster 2. I said, well, I

563
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:33,619
don't like that. Fix that. Okay, here's a new version.

564
00:38:33,820 --> 00:38:36,260
Yeah, that's not quite. Fix that. So I iterate with

565
00:38:36,260 --> 00:38:40,480
the robot. I am controlling the interface. I'm not saying,

566
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:43,849
hey, robot, get Dave on the show or, hey, robot,

567
00:38:43,849 --> 00:38:47,750
record. No, I click record. But the interface I wanted,

568
00:38:47,750 --> 00:38:50,349
no one, no one, no one has ever built because

569
00:38:50,349 --> 00:38:52,329
it's the one I want. And maybe no one else

570
00:38:52,329 --> 00:38:56,739
wants it. You also hold a position that most people

571
00:38:56,739 --> 00:39:02,739
do not. Currently. Which is you have systems thinking. Yes.

572
00:39:03,039 --> 00:39:05,929
Most people seem like you can do that. My dad

573
00:39:05,929 --> 00:39:08,750
is not going to do that. Please. He needs an

574
00:39:08,750 --> 00:39:12,039
app. Stop with the old people. No, it's not the

575
00:39:12,039 --> 00:39:14,179
old people. That's not fair. I'm telling you. I know

576
00:39:14,179 --> 00:39:17,139
my dad. It's not old people. Your dad's old. Your

577
00:39:17,139 --> 00:39:19,960
dad is old. And your mom wears army boots. Come

578
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:22,139
on. Yeah, he's old. Okay, let me give you another.

579
00:39:22,220 --> 00:39:24,639
My daughter can't do that. My wife can't do that.

580
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:27,059
These are not old people. Hold on. Hold on. Hints.

581
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:34,599
Hints. Hints. The need for systems, storage, transport, simple things.

582
00:39:35,500 --> 00:39:40,460
I mean, once you give your robot a token for

583
00:39:40,460 --> 00:39:43,880
Linode, I don't have to know what Linode is. I

584
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,720
just say... Okay, I need a server for this. All

585
00:39:46,720 --> 00:39:49,079
right, would you like the $5 a month? Yes. Okay,

586
00:39:49,079 --> 00:39:55,400
it's done. You've already surpassed anything that my 16-year-old daughter

587
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:59,199
even knows what. It's coming. It's coming. Hey, we used

588
00:39:59,199 --> 00:40:06,340
to type in HTTP colon slash slash. Sure, but that's

589
00:40:06,340 --> 00:40:10,470
– I think you take this stuff a little bit

590
00:40:10,470 --> 00:40:14,579
for granted. No, no, no. Because you think in systems.

591
00:40:16,409 --> 00:40:21,119
It comes naturally to you where other people are. No,

592
00:40:21,119 --> 00:40:24,279
I'm just years ahead of the curve and someone else

593
00:40:24,279 --> 00:40:26,809
will make a billion dollars. That's this is what I

594
00:40:26,809 --> 00:40:29,460
do. Well, that's true. So it's coming in our lifetime

595
00:40:29,460 --> 00:40:32,460
and it will be your daughter. It is already it

596
00:40:32,460 --> 00:40:35,199
is already Gen Z. I'm getting emails from people every

597
00:40:35,199 --> 00:40:38,409
day. Just look at what my kid did. And it

598
00:40:38,409 --> 00:40:41,230
did all this stuff. And by the way, the hosting

599
00:40:41,230 --> 00:40:45,099
will soon be built into the Frontier Labs package. You'll

600
00:40:45,099 --> 00:40:47,619
get hosting, domain names, all that stuff is going to

601
00:40:47,619 --> 00:40:55,610
be in there. A dollar a month. It's coming. Well,

602
00:40:55,610 --> 00:41:00,000
I am prototyping a spec document that's going to show

603
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:06,760
exactly how to remove all these dynamic ads. And I'm

604
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:08,170
going to put it out there, and it's going to

605
00:41:08,170 --> 00:41:11,019
be – and I'm not going to publish it until

606
00:41:11,019 --> 00:41:16,329
it is 100% reliable. Where you can just throw any

607
00:41:16,329 --> 00:41:18,659
podcast at it and it will – it's not going

608
00:41:18,659 --> 00:41:21,039
to be a piece of software. It's just going to

609
00:41:21,039 --> 00:41:25,440
be a specification document. Here are the steps that an

610
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:31,360
agent will – that a harnessed model will take to

611
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:35,929
remove – Every dynamically inserted ad that is not the

612
00:41:35,929 --> 00:41:40,630
host themselves speaking out of a podcast episode. And you're

613
00:41:40,630 --> 00:41:46,489
doing this – Because... You can't do it because I'm

614
00:41:46,489 --> 00:41:50,710
doing it because this is going to happen. And it

615
00:41:50,710 --> 00:41:54,559
might as well get done right. But no, no, no.

616
00:41:55,519 --> 00:41:59,789
It's going to happen, but the advertising industry is fantastic

617
00:41:59,789 --> 00:42:05,489
at ignoring things. So unless somebody knocks on their door,

618
00:42:05,489 --> 00:42:09,730
throws a bag of dung onto their doorstep. They're never

619
00:42:09,730 --> 00:42:11,769
going to do anything. They're not going to move. They're

620
00:42:11,769 --> 00:42:13,139
not going to budge. They're not going to do a

621
00:42:13,139 --> 00:42:16,329
single thing. And so this is really not about saving

622
00:42:16,329 --> 00:42:20,889
them. This is about getting the attention of actual individual

623
00:42:20,889 --> 00:42:27,699
podcasters. To say, this is coming. Make sure that you

624
00:42:27,699 --> 00:42:32,019
go ahead and move to either a ad-free membership model.

625
00:42:32,500 --> 00:42:36,579
Give that as an alternative or value for value. That's

626
00:42:36,579 --> 00:42:39,880
pretty much it. That's what's going to be left. Make

627
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:43,889
sure that you give your audience a way to support

628
00:42:43,889 --> 00:42:49,260
you. A way to support you. A real way. A

629
00:42:49,260 --> 00:42:52,739
way that they can donate money. They can give them

630
00:42:52,739 --> 00:42:56,039
a path to pay you money right now. Because if

631
00:42:56,039 --> 00:43:02,360
your entire livelihood is built on dynamic ad insertion. Yeah,

632
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:07,360
you're gone. You're toast. Yeah. You're toast. And rather than...

633
00:43:08,889 --> 00:43:11,139
Just wait for a bunch of checkboxes to show up.

634
00:43:11,220 --> 00:43:13,940
I'd rather go ahead and just show exactly how –

635
00:43:13,940 --> 00:43:18,360
write a document that shows exactly how it's done. You're

636
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:26,610
so radical. Yeah. This rebel. You are a rebel. Well,

637
00:43:26,610 --> 00:43:30,099
that's – but I think that's – so the reason

638
00:43:30,099 --> 00:43:34,029
I brought up all those vibe clonings and those other

639
00:43:34,029 --> 00:43:39,179
issues before is – Is because I think this is

640
00:43:39,179 --> 00:43:42,539
what we are – this is the era that we're

641
00:43:42,539 --> 00:43:51,750
in. Um, It's... Like each individual. Go ahead. No, go

642
00:43:51,750 --> 00:43:56,840
ahead. After you. Each individual actor in the podcast advertising

643
00:43:56,840 --> 00:44:03,279
ecosystem is. Probably feels powerless to change anything on their

644
00:44:03,279 --> 00:44:08,000
own. Of course. And that was the impetus behind like

645
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:11,779
Oxford Road bringing the amp cords and all that kind

646
00:44:11,779 --> 00:44:14,739
of stuff together because I'm pretty sure because Dan Granger

647
00:44:14,739 --> 00:44:17,800
and others probably thought, well, we – We just feel

648
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:21,440
like we're getting nowhere trying to change things. But the

649
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:26,480
fault there was that all the big players got together

650
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:29,329
in a room, but they never intended to actually go

651
00:44:29,329 --> 00:44:36,260
along with any of it. So, you know... And they

652
00:44:36,260 --> 00:44:39,779
thought they agreed to a bunch of stuff, but then

653
00:44:39,779 --> 00:44:41,599
all the big players promptly left the room and did

654
00:44:41,599 --> 00:44:43,960
whatever the hell they wanted to. YouTube left and then

655
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:46,960
redefined what a play is again for the 15th time.

656
00:44:47,260 --> 00:44:49,920
Spotify left the room and created a skip ads button.

657
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:57,670
So there is right now. There's what comes next, and

658
00:44:57,670 --> 00:44:59,300
then there's what comes after.

659
00:45:00,599 --> 00:45:03,780
We don't know what comes after, but we do know

660
00:45:03,780 --> 00:45:08,050
what comes next. And what comes next is all the

661
00:45:08,050 --> 00:45:12,230
ads are going to disappear. This goes right along with

662
00:45:12,230 --> 00:45:17,559
massive disruption in the software industry. Just the advertising industry

663
00:45:17,559 --> 00:45:21,449
is going to be disrupted in the same way that

664
00:45:21,449 --> 00:45:25,190
people are vibe cloning Adobe Acrobat. Your ads are going

665
00:45:25,190 --> 00:45:31,059
to disappear. What is happening here is Dave Weiner actually

666
00:45:31,059 --> 00:45:35,239
talked about this a lot back when we still talked.

667
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:39,789
He would say Silicon Valley, bunch of a-holes. They always

668
00:45:39,789 --> 00:45:43,130
force us to fit within whatever they come up with,

669
00:45:43,130 --> 00:45:49,000
whatever their vision is. And it's the same with. Everything.

670
00:45:51,050 --> 00:45:54,420
We are about to be given so much power as

671
00:45:54,420 --> 00:46:04,760
users, consumers, people, humans. That... So the first thing that

672
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:10,949
shows up is, well, there's dynamic pricing at McDonald's. Okay,

673
00:46:10,949 --> 00:46:14,820
there is. It's already here. There's dynamic pricing at McDonald's.

674
00:46:15,340 --> 00:46:17,610
That's horrible. And they're going to do this at an

675
00:46:17,610 --> 00:46:23,139
individual level eventually. But it's based upon location, time of

676
00:46:23,139 --> 00:46:27,969
day, like Surge Big Mac. It's busy. People will pay

677
00:46:27,969 --> 00:46:31,170
more. But the way I see this going is I

678
00:46:31,170 --> 00:46:34,000
am going to tell my robot I'm going to hit

679
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:38,630
McDonald's negotiate a price for me. And it will. And

680
00:46:38,630 --> 00:46:41,780
McDonald's will say, well, it's five bucks for a Big

681
00:46:41,780 --> 00:46:43,719
Mac meal. And I'll say, I'm going to pay you

682
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:46,239
$450. No, we won't do that. Yeah, but I'm also

683
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:48,940
ordering three Happy Meals. Oh, okay. Otherwise, I'm going to

684
00:46:48,940 --> 00:46:50,510
go to Burger King because here's the price I got

685
00:46:50,510 --> 00:46:54,269
from them. This is coming. It's already being done with

686
00:46:54,269 --> 00:46:57,460
Uber and Lyft where you tell your bot, I need

687
00:46:57,460 --> 00:47:01,239
a ride from here to home. Find the best price.

688
00:47:01,699 --> 00:47:04,059
And so right now it's just comparing. But the next

689
00:47:04,059 --> 00:47:06,659
step is the bot is going to negotiate that price.

690
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:11,130
It is going to bring prices down. It is going

691
00:47:11,130 --> 00:47:14,730
to – and the open and free market is going

692
00:47:14,730 --> 00:47:20,039
to be amazing. It's going to be fantastic. Because it'll

693
00:47:20,039 --> 00:47:23,960
work on supply and demand. And you will be attractive

694
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:32,639
because of your money. And your robot will negotiate everything.

695
00:47:32,860 --> 00:47:37,079
Airline tickets, theater tickets, concert tickets. Book prices, all of

696
00:47:37,079 --> 00:47:40,260
this stuff. This is why Amazon immediately went, no, no,

697
00:47:40,260 --> 00:47:42,639
no, you can't touch us. You can't come to Muse.

698
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:48,400
Okay. All right. That's going to change very quickly. Margins

699
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:50,929
will get thinner. And, of course, there's a floor for

700
00:47:50,929 --> 00:47:53,929
everything. But this is the free market. We are going

701
00:47:53,929 --> 00:47:56,550
to, as human beings, we are going to have so

702
00:47:56,550 --> 00:48:00,539
much power to, Over this token prices, if these guys

703
00:48:00,539 --> 00:48:04,139
even survive this apocalypse that is coming, all of this

704
00:48:04,139 --> 00:48:07,539
is going to be the power of the individual. And

705
00:48:07,539 --> 00:48:11,010
it's going to be amazing. I see such a and

706
00:48:11,010 --> 00:48:16,900
we're going to be able to use our creative minds.

707
00:48:17,090 --> 00:48:21,139
and create things for ourselves, for our friends, all of

708
00:48:21,139 --> 00:48:24,909
this stuff. I had an interesting experience. Of course, my

709
00:48:24,909 --> 00:48:28,659
node went down again. I'm like, crap, restart the thing.

710
00:48:29,519 --> 00:48:32,260
They go in, like, okay, check AlbiHub, make sure it's

711
00:48:32,260 --> 00:48:36,750
unlocked. And it says... connect your robot to albi hub

712
00:48:36,750 --> 00:48:40,139
oh okay all right yolo so i can sign me

713
00:48:40,139 --> 00:48:45,260
up and it connected and it's connected and now my

714
00:48:45,260 --> 00:48:47,719
robot and i gave it a you know on the

715
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:50,030
albi hub side i gave it a budget of 10

716
00:48:50,030 --> 00:48:52,900
000 sats and now it can now it can uh

717
00:48:52,900 --> 00:48:55,320
pay for things And I tested it right away. I

718
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:58,269
said, okay, I want to deposit some money into my

719
00:48:58,269 --> 00:49:01,739
wallet. Give me a QR code. Robot shows me a

720
00:49:01,739 --> 00:49:06,000
QR code. I pay for it with my strike wallet.

721
00:49:06,139 --> 00:49:08,550
Boom, accepted, done. What's my balance? Oh, now you have

722
00:49:08,550 --> 00:49:12,460
14,000 sats. It was 4,000 sats in that wallet. So

723
00:49:12,460 --> 00:49:17,940
now I can easily, easily do value for value payments,

724
00:49:17,940 --> 00:49:21,039
splits, everything. The whole problem is solved. I just need

725
00:49:21,039 --> 00:49:23,199
the information. Where do I get the information? From the

726
00:49:23,199 --> 00:49:27,039
value tag. The whole problem is solved. And where do

727
00:49:27,039 --> 00:49:30,279
you get the value tags? From RSS. From podcast index.

728
00:49:30,279 --> 00:49:31,779
From RSS. And where do you get the RSS? From

729
00:49:31,779 --> 00:49:35,840
MCP server around podcast index or wherever. Exactly. This all

730
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:41,400
comes back to the issue. It's not an issue. It's

731
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:45,039
joy. Joy has come in the morning. It is here.

732
00:49:45,579 --> 00:49:48,690
Rejoice and be glad in it. This is what I

733
00:49:48,690 --> 00:49:52,659
was saying earlier. Make sure you have a way for

734
00:49:52,659 --> 00:49:56,869
people to pay you. Mm-hmm. Do it right now. Don't

735
00:49:56,869 --> 00:50:00,510
stop. Don't go. Don't go past. Go do it right

736
00:50:00,510 --> 00:50:03,550
now. Go make sure you need to ask yourself as

737
00:50:03,550 --> 00:50:08,039
a podcast, as a podcaster. Is there anything in my

738
00:50:08,039 --> 00:50:12,779
podcast feed that links back to a way that somebody

739
00:50:12,779 --> 00:50:15,639
can give me money? And if the answer is no.

740
00:50:16,119 --> 00:50:25,800
Fix it. Because the only way... To... deal with Vibe

741
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:30,320
cloning things away and that kind of thing is to...

742
00:50:31,429 --> 00:50:35,489
Give is to give the aid, give the agents what

743
00:50:35,489 --> 00:50:40,510
they want and interface. Give them something to latch on

744
00:50:40,510 --> 00:50:45,739
to. That was the other thing about these Vibe-cloned Adobe

745
00:50:45,739 --> 00:50:48,869
apps, the PDF craft and all them. Every single one

746
00:50:48,869 --> 00:50:52,119
of – they're not only faster and have no crapware

747
00:50:52,119 --> 00:50:54,970
in them, but they also – every single one of

748
00:50:54,970 --> 00:50:59,659
them has an MCP interface. So that you can drive

749
00:50:59,659 --> 00:51:04,119
the app from an agent. The only way, and that's

750
00:51:04,119 --> 00:51:09,050
something that Excel and Word and Adobe Premiere, they don't

751
00:51:09,050 --> 00:51:11,110
have any of that. Can I just try something for

752
00:51:11,110 --> 00:51:16,570
a second? Sure. Okay. Robot, send a Boostergram to Podcasting

753
00:51:16,570 --> 00:51:22,429
2.0. We're live right now. and make sure that send

754
00:51:22,429 --> 00:51:27,159
a thousand sats and make sure you split up payments

755
00:51:27,159 --> 00:51:30,250
between the recipients according to the value tag. I have

756
00:51:30,250 --> 00:51:33,849
no idea if that's going to work. Interesting. But let's

757
00:51:33,849 --> 00:51:36,789
just see. Let's see if that works. I haven't heard

758
00:51:36,789 --> 00:51:40,159
any Instagrams come in, actually, now I think about it.

759
00:51:40,500 --> 00:51:43,079
So if we hear the harp. Oh, I didn't. I

760
00:51:43,079 --> 00:51:47,050
should have done a triple seven. Oh, to get the

761
00:51:47,050 --> 00:51:49,679
jingle. Yeah, to get the harp. It'll give me a

762
00:51:49,679 --> 00:51:54,539
pew-pew. So it knows. So it has the MCP server.

763
00:51:55,059 --> 00:51:59,110
It has a wallet. So I just gave it a

764
00:51:59,110 --> 00:52:01,920
little extra instruction for the first time, and let's see

765
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:04,170
if you can do it. Let me just add to

766
00:52:04,170 --> 00:52:08,559
it. The boostagram should say it worked. Okay. I just

767
00:52:08,559 --> 00:52:16,050
added that. Anyway, continue. Oh, no. Well, okay. So, I've

768
00:52:16,050 --> 00:52:19,239
said this phrase in the past, and I think that

769
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:22,619
it's more true now maybe than when I first said

770
00:52:22,619 --> 00:52:25,659
it, was that AI, LLMs is not the beginning of

771
00:52:25,659 --> 00:52:30,980
something new. It's the end of something old. Mm-hmm. And

772
00:52:30,980 --> 00:52:36,269
I think that's true. In the sense that. There's so

773
00:52:36,269 --> 00:52:41,690
much about what had existed before was just broken. And

774
00:52:41,690 --> 00:52:45,090
did not work well and in shitified. The world is

775
00:52:45,090 --> 00:52:50,579
in shitified. Everything's in my car is in shitified. Right.

776
00:52:50,659 --> 00:52:52,920
Piece of crap. I get in the car. Good morning,

777
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:55,760
Adam Curry. The other day I was singing a song.

778
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:58,529
I was singing along to the radio, which is how

779
00:52:58,529 --> 00:53:03,940
was the song? Um. for King and Country. I was

780
00:53:03,940 --> 00:53:07,079
like, I'm looking for a place in this world, a

781
00:53:07,079 --> 00:53:11,809
place in this world. And my car goes... Finding a

782
00:53:11,809 --> 00:53:15,699
place in this world. I'm like, no, no. Stop. Don't

783
00:53:15,699 --> 00:53:18,920
do that. What does it even mean? Stop. Here's a

784
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:21,099
place in this world you might want to visit. It's

785
00:53:21,099 --> 00:53:26,199
5,000 miles away. Oh, my gosh. This is what I

786
00:53:26,199 --> 00:53:30,619
mean. This is the world. The. The world and the

787
00:53:30,619 --> 00:53:34,800
platforms and the technology that had built up over decades

788
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:41,099
has become so inshittified and so broken and so strung

789
00:53:41,099 --> 00:53:46,760
together with chewing gum and wire that something had to

790
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:51,289
just sweep it away. And this is like a clean

791
00:53:51,289 --> 00:53:54,119
what is what is happening is a clean slate is

792
00:53:54,119 --> 00:53:57,619
forming. I find it so exciting. I can't tell you

793
00:53:57,619 --> 00:54:01,260
how exciting this is to me. I love this. I

794
00:54:01,260 --> 00:54:02,960
wish I knew a way to make money on it.

795
00:54:03,300 --> 00:54:07,929
That's the thing. You're right. Value tag, funding tag. That's

796
00:54:07,929 --> 00:54:13,710
it. That's it. We don't screen here. What are you

797
00:54:13,710 --> 00:54:18,320
doing? Trying to take a screenshot. Uh-oh. This is my

798
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:22,099
job. You're doing screenshots now? I'm doing screenshots. Let's see.

799
00:54:22,199 --> 00:54:25,470
Okay. All right. Can you put a... You can just

800
00:54:25,470 --> 00:54:27,980
copy... Yeah, just paste it in. Just paste it into

801
00:54:27,980 --> 00:54:30,920
the browser. It'll immediately... I don't know what you're using.

802
00:54:32,340 --> 00:54:34,579
Paste it into your – What are you doing? Oh,

803
00:54:34,579 --> 00:54:36,599
you want me to paste something? What are you doing,

804
00:54:36,599 --> 00:54:39,539
Dave? What are you doing? I'm trying to get –

805
00:54:39,539 --> 00:54:43,429
What are you trying to do? I was thinking, is

806
00:54:43,429 --> 00:54:46,389
there a way to put an image into the IRC

807
00:54:46,389 --> 00:54:49,559
chat, into the boardroom? Yeah. Are you on the browser?

808
00:54:49,820 --> 00:54:51,070
What do you – I mean – No, I'm just

809
00:54:51,070 --> 00:54:52,900
in – Just put it on Signal. I'll put it

810
00:54:52,900 --> 00:54:56,670
in. Oh, okay. All right, let's see. So my robot

811
00:54:56,670 --> 00:55:00,119
is doing something. It says it's sending payments. This would

812
00:55:00,119 --> 00:55:02,659
be very exciting. Because once it knows how to do

813
00:55:02,659 --> 00:55:06,230
it, I don't have to train it again. Oh, man,

814
00:55:06,230 --> 00:55:10,519
it's going to be so badass. Okay, where are you?

815
00:55:10,720 --> 00:55:12,929
Are you putting it in? What are you sending? A

816
00:55:12,929 --> 00:55:17,539
screenshot? Yeah, there it is. Oh, got it. Okay. Hold

817
00:55:17,539 --> 00:55:28,130
on. Download. to download Okay. Where'd it go? Yeah. Hold

818
00:55:28,130 --> 00:55:34,599
on. How do I do that now? I'm sorry. Uh,

819
00:55:34,599 --> 00:55:39,690
six, hold on. Files. Open up. There's an easier way

820
00:55:39,690 --> 00:55:43,400
to do this, no doubt. Download. Probably. Here we go.

821
00:55:43,500 --> 00:55:45,880
Here we go. Here we go. There it is. Okay.

822
00:55:46,199 --> 00:55:49,670
Got it. What are we looking at here? Yeah, so

823
00:55:49,670 --> 00:55:55,599
this is... This is my dashboard for this show. So

824
00:55:55,599 --> 00:56:04,079
when we do the boardroom, it's live transcribing everything. Showrunner.

825
00:56:04,300 --> 00:56:09,809
Ooh, showrunner. It's live transcribing everything, and then it's when

826
00:56:09,809 --> 00:56:13,340
it thinks that I said something that needs to be

827
00:56:13,340 --> 00:56:15,869
– checked or needs more or needs like some more

828
00:56:15,869 --> 00:56:19,599
research or something it'll it'll give me a heads up

829
00:56:19,599 --> 00:56:22,840
hey dave you said this wow this is good yeah

830
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:27,699
that's what i'm talking about look at your creative genius

831
00:56:28,230 --> 00:56:32,099
Booster grams went out. 991 of the 1,000 sats went

832
00:56:32,099 --> 00:56:35,199
through, split across the value tag just like the feed

833
00:56:35,199 --> 00:56:38,559
says, each one carrying it worked. One snag, Dave's nine

834
00:56:38,559 --> 00:56:41,409
sats wouldn't go. His lightning address keeps returning a bad

835
00:56:41,409 --> 00:56:44,869
invoice. That's on his end, not ours. Everything else landed,

836
00:56:44,869 --> 00:56:49,159
including the key sends to the two node recipients. holy

837
00:56:49,159 --> 00:56:51,409
crap let me see if i got it did we

838
00:56:51,409 --> 00:56:54,059
get is that true did we get it well my

839
00:56:54,059 --> 00:56:57,579
my node has been offline so so i don't know

840
00:56:57,579 --> 00:57:00,590
oh i can look on our albi hub um i

841
00:57:00,590 --> 00:57:03,980
can look in my i think i still have a

842
00:57:03,980 --> 00:57:05,960
split on my yeah look in our albi hub for

843
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:08,159
a second Okay, let me see if I got it.

844
00:57:08,279 --> 00:57:10,340
I think I might have gotten it on my strike.

845
00:57:11,900 --> 00:57:15,940
No, not yet. It says it went out. I'm on

846
00:57:15,940 --> 00:57:20,679
the wrong page. Okay, here we go. Previous. One minute

847
00:57:20,679 --> 00:57:26,119
ago, it says we got 406 sats from something. Does

848
00:57:26,119 --> 00:57:30,590
it have a boost? No, four minutes ago. A boost-o-gram

849
00:57:30,590 --> 00:57:34,190
thing? I didn't get anything here. Wait, I got a

850
00:57:34,190 --> 00:57:42,960
boost that says it works. Ha ha! Okay. It says

851
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:46,820
comment. It worked, but there's, it doesn't show like where

852
00:57:46,820 --> 00:57:49,440
it came from or what. Well, I just, it doesn't

853
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:51,720
know. I mean, I just told it to do this

854
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:55,059
thing. Here, let me send it to you. How about

855
00:57:55,059 --> 00:58:02,150
that? Yeah, here it is. How badass is that? Come

856
00:58:02,150 --> 00:58:07,139
on. Open that up. Copy. So you can see this.

857
00:58:08,300 --> 00:58:13,529
I'm going to put in the signal. Wow. Paste. Yeah,

858
00:58:13,529 --> 00:58:15,840
it doesn't give an app name that I can see.

859
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:19,940
Well, I'll tell it to give an app name. Next

860
00:58:19,940 --> 00:58:24,579
time, make sure the app name, which is required, says

861
00:58:24,579 --> 00:58:32,050
Adam's Robot. Okay. Adam. Let me go see. Yeah, came

862
00:58:32,050 --> 00:58:37,500
in. It worked. Comment, it worked. Holy, holy, holy, holy,

863
00:58:37,500 --> 00:58:45,760
holy, holy. So, I think that This being the end

864
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:54,320
of something old. Capitalize the R. Sorry. it also coincides

865
00:58:54,320 --> 00:59:03,320
with Whenever there's some new – the introduction of a

866
00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:09,360
new technology or a new social phenomenon or any time

867
00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:11,760
– we've talked about this before with – With Charles

868
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:18,500
Taylor. And that Charles, you always Charles Taylor. Who's Charles?

869
00:59:18,579 --> 00:59:21,039
He wrote a book called a secular age. Oh yeah.

870
00:59:21,119 --> 00:59:25,659
Okay. I remember. Yes. I remember. And, uh, One of

871
00:59:25,659 --> 00:59:29,119
the main points that he makes in there repeatedly is

872
00:59:29,119 --> 00:59:35,570
that Whenever you have a new social movement, That movement

873
00:59:35,570 --> 00:59:39,570
always contains the seed for its own demise or its

874
00:59:39,570 --> 00:59:45,199
own reversal, whatever word you choose to put there. It

875
00:59:45,199 --> 00:59:50,510
is going to – it carries along the things within

876
00:59:50,510 --> 00:59:57,909
it. That will eventually result in that thing being surpassed

877
00:59:57,909 --> 00:59:59,460
or removed.

878
01:00:00,650 --> 01:00:03,789
And so we have to be conscious of that throughout

879
01:00:03,789 --> 01:00:07,340
the process of whatever this thing looks like as AI

880
01:00:07,340 --> 01:00:11,159
marches forward and takes and blows itself through podcasting and

881
01:00:11,159 --> 01:00:14,889
through software and that kind of thing. It is going

882
01:00:14,889 --> 01:00:18,800
to look at times unstoppable and it is going to

883
01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:25,809
be a world-changing event. It will also end up resulting

884
01:00:25,809 --> 01:00:30,760
in itself being replaced with something that we don't understand

885
01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:35,369
yet. Have you ever seen the movie Twister? Yes, with

886
01:00:35,369 --> 01:00:42,739
Bill Paxton. It's coming. It's coming. It's already here. Game

887
01:00:42,739 --> 01:00:53,119
over, man. Game over. Fabulous. So what I'm saying is

888
01:00:53,119 --> 01:00:59,079
I still hate AI. I hate every bit of it.

889
01:00:59,699 --> 01:01:02,730
I wish I wanted to pull a clip because my

890
01:01:02,730 --> 01:01:06,940
experience, your experience with AI, you focus a lot on

891
01:01:06,940 --> 01:01:11,659
the time savings that has brought you. Yes. My experience

892
01:01:11,659 --> 01:01:15,920
with AI has been that I am working more than

893
01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:21,199
I ever have. And as a – in my day

894
01:01:21,199 --> 01:01:28,059
job, I now have – I don't stop. I'm mentally

895
01:01:28,059 --> 01:01:30,820
slammed from the moment I wake up to the moment

896
01:01:30,820 --> 01:01:34,880
I leave the office. I'm very sorry to hear that.

897
01:01:35,179 --> 01:01:38,480
That is not what it's supposed to be. Well, I've

898
01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:41,550
heard people – I should have brought a clip, and

899
01:01:41,550 --> 01:01:42,989
I'll try to bring it for next weekend, but there

900
01:01:42,989 --> 01:01:45,329
was a clip of an accounting podcast I was listening

901
01:01:45,329 --> 01:01:48,869
to recently. Riveting. No, it's just as exciting as it

902
01:01:48,869 --> 01:01:52,460
sounds. But they were talking – they talk a lot

903
01:01:52,460 --> 01:01:56,039
about AI, of course, because it's – Yeah, because what

904
01:01:56,039 --> 01:01:57,829
else are you going to do? Blowing everything – yeah,

905
01:01:57,829 --> 01:02:01,920
blowing everything up. Yeah. And – One of the things

906
01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:04,090
that the guy said, and this guy's a big AI

907
01:02:04,090 --> 01:02:06,769
booster. I mean, he's like singing his praises all the

908
01:02:06,769 --> 01:02:10,539
time. Every Claude co-worked this. It's the best thing ever.

909
01:02:11,739 --> 01:02:14,039
Well, on this last episode, he was like, man, I

910
01:02:14,039 --> 01:02:16,539
just got to tell you, he's like, I am exhausted.

911
01:02:17,360 --> 01:02:21,280
He was like, I've got. I'm doing so many things

912
01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:24,739
with these agents, but I have – he's like, I

913
01:02:24,739 --> 01:02:28,699
can't stop having to manage them because if you let

914
01:02:28,699 --> 01:02:33,579
them do too much by themselves, they make mistakes. And

915
01:02:33,579 --> 01:02:36,070
he's like, all I'm doing all day long from the

916
01:02:36,070 --> 01:02:38,590
time I get to the office till the time I

917
01:02:38,590 --> 01:02:42,179
leave – It's just managing agents and saying yes and

918
01:02:42,179 --> 01:02:45,760
redirecting them and going and fixing the fixing their direction

919
01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:48,099
on this thing that they took a wrong turn on.

920
01:02:48,099 --> 01:02:50,809
And all this, he said, he's like, he's like, I

921
01:02:50,809 --> 01:02:54,260
am mentally fried. And that's the way I feel, too,

922
01:02:54,260 --> 01:02:59,179
because what we have this thing where. When you're given

923
01:02:59,179 --> 01:03:02,739
a magic box that will do everything, suddenly, guess what?

924
01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:11,440
You're doing everything. Everything becomes equally important and equally motivating.

925
01:03:12,570 --> 01:03:17,159
And you can't stop managing the hoarding. Well, this goes

926
01:03:17,159 --> 01:03:19,260
back to – in a way, it goes back to

927
01:03:19,260 --> 01:03:22,059
what you said about it being like playing a video

928
01:03:22,059 --> 01:03:24,659
game because it's just, oh, just one more. I can

929
01:03:24,659 --> 01:03:26,349
get to the next level. I can do this next

930
01:03:26,349 --> 01:03:31,059
thing. You do need – You do need the fruit

931
01:03:31,059 --> 01:03:34,719
of the spirit. You need self-control. You really need to

932
01:03:34,719 --> 01:03:40,059
have that. Well, when your company tells you, you know,

933
01:03:40,059 --> 01:03:44,199
if somebody walks in and your company is like, hey,

934
01:03:44,199 --> 01:03:48,699
can you pull out this – I'm just trying to

935
01:03:48,699 --> 01:03:49,789
make up an example – Can you give us a

936
01:03:49,789 --> 01:03:53,659
new dashboard for the billing system that shows us this

937
01:03:53,659 --> 01:03:55,929
information? In your mind, you're like, well, yeah, I could

938
01:03:55,929 --> 01:03:57,920
probably do that in a couple hours. I could vibe

939
01:03:57,920 --> 01:04:02,289
code that out. You do it. Now the next person

940
01:04:02,289 --> 01:04:05,090
sees that. Oh, hey, can you add this? Can you

941
01:04:05,090 --> 01:04:07,400
add that? Can you add this? You take that same

942
01:04:07,400 --> 01:04:10,760
scenario and you multiply it times 10. Now you have

943
01:04:10,760 --> 01:04:15,019
10 threads of vibe coding going all at once that

944
01:04:15,019 --> 01:04:17,760
never stop. It's sort of like that old thing of

945
01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:20,320
like, be careful what you ship because you're signing up

946
01:04:20,320 --> 01:04:23,220
to maintain it for the rest of your life. Don't

947
01:04:23,220 --> 01:04:28,090
ever offer to create a service or an app because

948
01:04:28,090 --> 01:04:30,639
now you'll never be able to get rid of it.

949
01:04:31,579 --> 01:04:34,239
And that's the thing here. You have to be very

950
01:04:34,239 --> 01:04:37,500
selective because you vibe code something in a few hours,

951
01:04:37,500 --> 01:04:40,050
and now you've just signed up for a lifetime of

952
01:04:40,050 --> 01:04:45,650
maintenance. maintenance on the thing you vibe coded or correct

953
01:04:45,650 --> 01:04:49,710
correct And it's not because you can't just – well,

954
01:04:49,710 --> 01:04:52,489
I mean it's like party time. So the new party

955
01:04:52,489 --> 01:05:00,320
time rusts. is wonderful. But it's a lot of work.

956
01:05:01,170 --> 01:05:07,070
So what the agent did – is it created an

957
01:05:07,070 --> 01:05:11,190
entire rollout and process pipeline. So the first thing it

958
01:05:11,190 --> 01:05:13,820
did was it created – it was like, okay, what

959
01:05:13,820 --> 01:05:17,460
is your goal for this first release of the Rust

960
01:05:17,460 --> 01:05:22,489
binary? And my goal was just byte parity with the

961
01:05:22,489 --> 01:05:25,720
old node aggregator. I'm like, I just want it to

962
01:05:25,720 --> 01:05:27,880
be the same. You know, for the beginning, it has

963
01:05:27,880 --> 01:05:32,529
to be the same. So it cloned every bug, every

964
01:05:32,529 --> 01:05:38,000
quirk, every mistake that was in the node stuff. It

965
01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:41,420
cloned it directly. And it had to build up an

966
01:05:41,420 --> 01:05:46,400
entire framework of unit testing to make it to where

967
01:05:46,400 --> 01:05:51,820
every – even the flaws were also reproduced. Once that

968
01:05:51,820 --> 01:05:56,159
was in place, and this took about 48 hours of

969
01:05:56,159 --> 01:06:02,760
solid time. agent work of it just plowing through and

970
01:06:02,760 --> 01:06:06,289
building all this stuff and then it took a couple

971
01:06:06,289 --> 01:06:12,610
of days to refine some things it took Then we

972
01:06:12,610 --> 01:06:14,710
rolled it out to one of the aggregators as a

973
01:06:14,710 --> 01:06:18,690
test, and it built an entire framework for – so

974
01:06:18,690 --> 01:06:22,889
the node aggregator and the Rust binary were both running

975
01:06:22,889 --> 01:06:26,519
together at the same time. And there was a third

976
01:06:26,519 --> 01:06:31,000
process that was checking that the Rust output was identical

977
01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:35,460
to what the node aggregator. one was doing. So then

978
01:06:35,460 --> 01:06:41,619
after three days of parody checking, I demoted the node

979
01:06:41,619 --> 01:06:46,989
and upgraded and went live with the Rust binary. Three

980
01:06:46,989 --> 01:06:50,309
more days of no bugs on that, and I rolled

981
01:06:50,309 --> 01:06:52,360
it out to the rest of the fleet. But now

982
01:06:52,360 --> 01:06:56,500
there's this entire thing that's in place, this entire process,

983
01:06:56,500 --> 01:07:01,720
where now that all of that is working... So now

984
01:07:01,720 --> 01:07:05,599
we've got to start fixing the bugs and actually improve

985
01:07:05,599 --> 01:07:09,480
and not just get parity but actually improving the code

986
01:07:09,480 --> 01:07:13,480
itself so that it gives us better results. Like I

987
01:07:13,480 --> 01:07:16,139
said, the speed and the memory is already a million

988
01:07:16,139 --> 01:07:20,539
times better. So now there's an entire process that happens.

989
01:07:21,159 --> 01:07:25,690
Right. You make one change, it gets promoted, it gets

990
01:07:25,690 --> 01:07:29,789
uploaded and then shadowed for a couple of days. If

991
01:07:29,789 --> 01:07:34,029
there's no errors and no crashes and everything looks good,

992
01:07:34,029 --> 01:07:38,880
then we'll promote it to be the live version. And

993
01:07:38,880 --> 01:07:41,960
I'm going to go through that process for every feature

994
01:07:41,960 --> 01:07:47,599
change. This is great, and it's a wonderful way to

995
01:07:47,599 --> 01:07:51,720
make sure that production stays bug-free. But it's a lot

996
01:07:51,720 --> 01:07:57,139
of work. And that's why I feel really bad now.

997
01:07:58,380 --> 01:08:02,369
But but you see what I mean? Like there's a

998
01:08:02,369 --> 01:08:06,929
there's there are parts of a person's life where I

999
01:08:06,929 --> 01:08:12,039
will very much make things easier and save you time.

1000
01:08:12,099 --> 01:08:15,070
But if you're a full-time system admin or developer or

1001
01:08:15,070 --> 01:08:19,500
something like that, AI has a different side to it

1002
01:08:19,500 --> 01:08:24,439
where it will also increase your workload 5x. And that's

1003
01:08:24,439 --> 01:08:28,229
what a lot that's what I was hearing him say

1004
01:08:28,229 --> 01:08:31,960
in that thing was like, I'm doing so much more

1005
01:08:31,960 --> 01:08:38,399
and now I'm exhausted. So I think that that may

1006
01:08:38,399 --> 01:08:46,819
be the seed – of of how this thing also...

1007
01:08:48,050 --> 01:08:54,619
destroys itself. Is that there's a dark side that's in

1008
01:08:54,619 --> 01:09:00,770
this as well. And maybe that dark side – Of

1009
01:09:00,770 --> 01:09:07,250
technological exhaustion is actually what humanity needs right now. Oh,

1010
01:09:07,250 --> 01:09:14,500
well, I completely agree. What we need is... is to

1011
01:09:14,500 --> 01:09:18,149
put down our screens and pick up our Bibles. And

1012
01:09:18,149 --> 01:09:22,819
I'm not joking about that. I really mean that. People

1013
01:09:22,819 --> 01:09:26,520
need something else in their life besides all this. I

1014
01:09:26,520 --> 01:09:31,420
am wholly convinced of that. I'm making life decisions based

1015
01:09:31,420 --> 01:09:36,300
upon that conviction. Maybe we never would have gotten there

1016
01:09:36,300 --> 01:09:40,079
without something like this driving us hard over the edge.

1017
01:09:40,779 --> 01:09:43,500
Yeah, very possible. Wow. That's deep. I like it. I

1018
01:09:43,500 --> 01:09:46,090
like it. Well, that's what Eric PP in the boardroom

1019
01:09:46,090 --> 01:09:49,050
just made a good point. He's like, it's applying large

1020
01:09:49,050 --> 01:09:53,600
scale development to a single developer. And that's true. Yeah.

1021
01:09:53,699 --> 01:09:57,890
Like, I think. We're going to see... That's a really

1022
01:09:57,890 --> 01:10:01,899
good way to describe it. AI puts too much on

1023
01:10:01,899 --> 01:10:06,039
a single person. It makes you responsible for too many

1024
01:10:06,039 --> 01:10:13,949
things. Well... Yeah, it depends. I think it really depends

1025
01:10:13,949 --> 01:10:17,220
on what you're doing. You know, you I mean, you're

1026
01:10:17,220 --> 01:10:20,440
you're you've gone up this horrible curve with this stuff

1027
01:10:20,440 --> 01:10:23,539
in your workplace of people coming to you and showing

1028
01:10:23,539 --> 01:10:25,779
you chat GPT and saying, how do I get it

1029
01:10:25,779 --> 01:10:28,949
to do it better? All the way down to you're

1030
01:10:28,949 --> 01:10:34,539
doing MCP servers, you're supporting people who are using it,

1031
01:10:34,539 --> 01:10:36,770
you're trying to figure it out. I have some experience

1032
01:10:36,770 --> 01:10:39,850
with that, but it's not my livelihood. My job doesn't

1033
01:10:39,850 --> 01:10:44,300
depend on it working or not. But when those accountants

1034
01:10:44,300 --> 01:10:49,809
and people in your office... I mean, it almost might

1035
01:10:49,809 --> 01:10:53,609
behoove you to train them out of Vibe code. Yeah,

1036
01:10:53,609 --> 01:10:57,640
do this. Figure it out yourself. You might be surprised.

1037
01:10:58,659 --> 01:11:01,750
Well, you can't do that because of security regulation. I

1038
01:11:01,750 --> 01:11:06,699
understand. But, you know, I don't have the same results

1039
01:11:06,699 --> 01:11:10,239
you have with… This is a pretty big software package

1040
01:11:10,239 --> 01:11:14,979
I've built. Look, hey, there's 15 radio stations running on

1041
01:11:14,979 --> 01:11:19,090
crap I've vibe-coded. And I've got customers, and I think

1042
01:11:19,090 --> 01:11:22,649
this would have been three, four developers to do all

1043
01:11:22,649 --> 01:11:24,890
of the stuff that's running. In fact, people from the

1044
01:11:24,890 --> 01:11:28,640
radio industry are going, what? What? I want that. What?

1045
01:11:29,239 --> 01:11:30,979
And I'm just like, well, I hope they don't try

1046
01:11:30,979 --> 01:11:36,659
and vibe clone it. Um... So I haven't gotten to

1047
01:11:36,659 --> 01:11:39,619
that point, and people do depend on these things working.

1048
01:11:40,600 --> 01:11:44,949
It's not quite the same as your industry. I think

1049
01:11:44,949 --> 01:11:47,289
you will get to this point. I might. I think

1050
01:11:47,289 --> 01:11:50,050
we all – that's kind of my point. I think

1051
01:11:50,050 --> 01:11:52,979
we all will get to this point. I think this

1052
01:11:52,979 --> 01:11:57,800
– I think the dark side of AI, of agentic

1053
01:11:57,800 --> 01:12:00,319
– of the agentic world we live in and we're

1054
01:12:00,319 --> 01:12:04,300
heading into we're all gonna spin out we're gonna spin

1055
01:12:04,300 --> 01:12:07,710
out yeah we're gonna spin out man yeah man we're

1056
01:12:07,710 --> 01:12:10,960
gonna spin out man i'm gonna spin out and i'm

1057
01:12:10,960 --> 01:12:14,479
gonna have a good time doing it yeah well that

1058
01:12:14,479 --> 01:12:19,970
that's what's gonna happen i'm i'm i'm convinced Because you

1059
01:12:19,970 --> 01:12:31,079
can't moderate. It takes... What kept us from over committing

1060
01:12:31,079 --> 01:12:34,559
before was the fact that we had done it before.

1061
01:12:34,880 --> 01:12:37,430
That gate is gone. You've become load bearing in the

1062
01:12:37,430 --> 01:12:45,760
office. Load bearing. Load bearing. Wow. Yeah. It's going to

1063
01:12:45,760 --> 01:12:50,059
happen. Yeah. Well, I really don't want to see that

1064
01:12:50,059 --> 01:12:52,159
happen to you. I don't want to see it happen

1065
01:12:52,159 --> 01:12:55,420
to you either, brother. Yeah, but I'm… I'm afraid it's

1066
01:12:55,420 --> 01:12:59,449
going to. Maybe, but what just happened here where I

1067
01:12:59,449 --> 01:13:03,079
just sent a boostagram and it did splits and… And

1068
01:13:03,079 --> 01:13:05,609
I just said, hey, man, make sure that next time

1069
01:13:05,609 --> 01:13:09,309
you ask me the show name and the episode number,

1070
01:13:09,309 --> 01:13:12,659
if you don't have that information from whatever I'm doing.

1071
01:13:12,760 --> 01:13:17,470
Okay, no problem. That was amazing what just happened. That

1072
01:13:17,470 --> 01:13:20,479
was truly amazing. That blew my mind. Oh, no, it's

1073
01:13:20,479 --> 01:13:26,119
impressive. And that's the intoxicating part. That's what drives you

1074
01:13:26,119 --> 01:13:29,940
to go further and further and further. And before you

1075
01:13:29,940 --> 01:13:32,750
know it, you got customers for an app and you're

1076
01:13:32,750 --> 01:13:38,000
like, oh, crap. Yeah. But see, this is. Yes, maybe.

1077
01:13:38,440 --> 01:13:41,300
But when do the customers just stop being customers and

1078
01:13:41,300 --> 01:13:45,569
do it themselves? I just don't see. I have no

1079
01:13:45,569 --> 01:13:48,779
hope that that will happen. It's going to happen. No,

1080
01:13:48,779 --> 01:13:54,359
no. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. The people that would

1081
01:13:54,359 --> 01:13:58,680
be the the hyperscalers that would need to get involved

1082
01:13:58,680 --> 01:14:02,199
for that to happen will not let that happen because

1083
01:14:02,199 --> 01:14:06,840
that is. Oh, destruction. That horse has left the barn.

1084
01:14:07,579 --> 01:14:10,890
It's left the barn. You don't need the hyperscaler. At

1085
01:14:10,890 --> 01:14:14,430
this point, we don't need hyperscalers anymore. We don't need

1086
01:14:14,430 --> 01:14:19,300
them. The models are at a point where I'm like,

1087
01:14:19,300 --> 01:14:22,300
oh, this is doable. It does it. Now, would I

1088
01:14:22,300 --> 01:14:25,239
like it to be even better? Sure. Why else do

1089
01:14:25,239 --> 01:14:27,119
you think they're doing? Oh, I got to slow this

1090
01:14:27,119 --> 01:14:28,940
down. Of course, I got to slow it down. We

1091
01:14:28,940 --> 01:14:31,559
can't have the open source models catching up to us.

1092
01:14:31,779 --> 01:14:38,479
It's no good. You know, PewDiePie? Yeah. Yeah. biggest YouTuber

1093
01:14:38,479 --> 01:14:44,020
probably. So he built all his own models. I don't

1094
01:14:44,020 --> 01:14:46,020
know if he's going to make them available, but he's

1095
01:14:46,020 --> 01:14:48,239
been, that's been his thing now. He probably lost a

1096
01:14:48,239 --> 01:14:50,649
lot of audience. People like, I'm not interested in watching

1097
01:14:50,649 --> 01:14:54,289
you distill open AI's models, but that's, that's basically what

1098
01:14:54,289 --> 01:14:58,930
he's been doing. Even distilling all their models. And he's

1099
01:14:58,930 --> 01:14:59,960
influencing

1100
01:15:00,029 --> 01:15:04,470
An entire generation on this stuff. Way beyond what anyone

1101
01:15:04,470 --> 01:15:08,789
else can do. And, you know, it's like. You know,

1102
01:15:08,789 --> 01:15:11,760
you're a nerd today. You're Bill Gates tomorrow. But it

1103
01:15:11,760 --> 01:15:13,970
won't be Bill Gates. You'll be Bill Gates of your

1104
01:15:13,970 --> 01:15:16,770
own little universe, your own little home, your own little

1105
01:15:16,770 --> 01:15:22,210
stuff. People are tinkering. In America, we are a nation

1106
01:15:22,210 --> 01:15:26,840
of creative tinkerers. It's what we are. It's what we

1107
01:15:26,840 --> 01:15:31,800
do. It's in our DNA. just like our sexuality. It's

1108
01:15:31,800 --> 01:15:37,020
in our DNA. And so we're going to tinker, and

1109
01:15:37,020 --> 01:15:39,840
then we're going to share stuff. And I think, I

1110
01:15:39,840 --> 01:15:44,319
don't know, man. I just think it will be better.

1111
01:15:45,310 --> 01:15:49,479
We're also a nation of capitalistic a-holes too, though, so

1112
01:15:49,479 --> 01:15:54,449
don't forget that. Yeah, but it's not – we're not

1113
01:15:54,449 --> 01:16:01,279
– yeah, there's – we're creative and liberty-driven, but we're

1114
01:16:01,279 --> 01:16:06,079
also a bunch of rent-seeking a-holes too. Yeah, but this

1115
01:16:06,079 --> 01:16:09,750
is what I think is ending, that there's no more

1116
01:16:09,750 --> 01:16:13,239
– There's no more gates. There's no more barriers. There's

1117
01:16:13,239 --> 01:16:16,600
no more barrier to entry. I can do it myself.

1118
01:16:17,239 --> 01:16:20,239
They said that about that was the that was you're

1119
01:16:20,239 --> 01:16:23,510
singing Aaron Schwartz's song and you see what happened to

1120
01:16:23,510 --> 01:16:27,960
him. What did he mean? Killed himself? No, I'm saying

1121
01:16:27,960 --> 01:16:32,350
that every the gatekeepers. Found a way to like we

1122
01:16:32,350 --> 01:16:37,180
the promise of the Internet doesn't look nearly as good.

1123
01:16:37,340 --> 01:16:41,390
Oh, I disagree. Look, look at podcasting. Podcasting has survived

1124
01:16:41,390 --> 01:16:44,609
all the gatekeepers, even a hostile billion dollar takeover by

1125
01:16:44,609 --> 01:16:49,779
Spotify. It survived. Open protocols. But you have to agree

1126
01:16:49,779 --> 01:16:52,319
that it is more regulated now than it's ever been.

1127
01:16:52,420 --> 01:16:57,250
The Internet? Yeah. No. My podcast, I do whatever I

1128
01:16:57,250 --> 01:17:02,020
want. I say whatever I want. Where's the regulation? On

1129
01:17:02,020 --> 01:17:06,590
your podcast. But then somebody goes to a porn site

1130
01:17:06,590 --> 01:17:08,319
and it pops up and says, oh, you're in Texas.

1131
01:17:08,500 --> 01:17:12,750
Sorry. It was supposed to be the Internet was supposed

1132
01:17:12,750 --> 01:17:15,319
to be no. And then we created VPN around. They

1133
01:17:15,319 --> 01:17:17,479
were supposed to get around that. And then we created

1134
01:17:17,479 --> 01:17:22,060
VPNs. Yeah. And then they block it. Well, then we

1135
01:17:22,060 --> 01:17:24,119
go make our own porn. I just tell them I

1136
01:17:24,119 --> 01:17:29,560
just vibe codes and porn, porn code. I'm just saying

1137
01:17:29,560 --> 01:17:32,199
that the Internet is more we we thought that the

1138
01:17:32,199 --> 01:17:37,100
Internet was was it's still pretty great. It's still pretty

1139
01:17:37,100 --> 01:17:42,939
great. Yeah, but my point is it's not untouchable. Tor.

1140
01:17:42,939 --> 01:17:45,140
And this stuff is not going to be untouchable either.

1141
01:17:46,020 --> 01:17:50,939
No. Whenever something is this – This is what they're

1142
01:17:50,939 --> 01:17:55,699
– exactly. That's why the frontier models have hired all

1143
01:17:55,699 --> 01:17:59,319
these lobbyists. That's why they're all in Washington. And for

1144
01:17:59,319 --> 01:18:02,810
the next two and a half years at least, we

1145
01:18:02,810 --> 01:18:06,680
probably will be okay. What comes after that, I don't

1146
01:18:06,680 --> 01:18:10,880
know. You know, the psyop of you've got to regulate

1147
01:18:10,880 --> 01:18:14,859
us is is failed. It's failed. It has failed. Not

1148
01:18:14,859 --> 01:18:16,680
that it will fail in the future, but it has

1149
01:18:16,680 --> 01:18:20,590
failed for now. I think it's failed against Trump. Yeah,

1150
01:18:20,590 --> 01:18:23,880
there's other there's other administrations that would be very happy.

1151
01:18:23,880 --> 01:18:26,640
Yeah, I agree. But I think I think the horses

1152
01:18:26,640 --> 01:18:28,909
I think the horse has left the barn. I think

1153
01:18:28,909 --> 01:18:33,710
it's. I think it's just too late. Prompt hub. Prompt

1154
01:18:33,710 --> 01:18:39,779
hub. Oh, I like it. That's very good. Prompt hub.

1155
01:18:41,279 --> 01:18:48,819
Somebody register that thing right now. Right away. Sam Santhi

1156
01:18:48,819 --> 01:18:50,720
said he's been boosting, but he hasn't heard a harp.

1157
01:18:50,880 --> 01:18:54,340
He says you closed the Albie Hub channel. No, there's

1158
01:18:54,340 --> 01:18:56,920
something going on with Pipewire because now all of a

1159
01:18:56,920 --> 01:18:59,640
sudden it works again. No, it was just an audio

1160
01:18:59,640 --> 01:19:04,060
thing. Yeah, because I see his 777. He just wants

1161
01:19:04,060 --> 01:19:08,039
to hear the harp. Send another one. Send another one.

1162
01:19:08,260 --> 01:19:10,930
Keep doing it until you hear it. Yeah, keep doing

1163
01:19:10,930 --> 01:19:14,819
it until you hear the harp. You've been unsuccessful until

1164
01:19:14,819 --> 01:19:21,659
I hear the harp. Well, I am extremely excited about

1165
01:19:21,659 --> 01:19:24,130
what is right in front of us. And I think

1166
01:19:24,130 --> 01:19:28,399
it's a great... a great warning that you put out

1167
01:19:28,399 --> 01:19:33,630
there for yourself, but for everyone, um, you, To make

1168
01:19:33,630 --> 01:19:36,409
sure we don't get spun up and spun out on

1169
01:19:36,409 --> 01:19:38,300
just trying, you know, you can be there's such a

1170
01:19:38,300 --> 01:19:42,369
thing as being too creative. And probably we all just

1171
01:19:42,369 --> 01:19:46,079
need to go back to being ranchers and farmers while

1172
01:19:46,079 --> 01:19:49,699
we vibe code. We got to have some normalcy in

1173
01:19:49,699 --> 01:19:54,479
our lives. And we'll still need ranchers, farmers, welders, electricians.

1174
01:19:54,920 --> 01:19:59,600
The real world is still fabulous. There's so much wonderful

1175
01:19:59,600 --> 01:20:02,199
stuff out in the world. And we just got to

1176
01:20:02,199 --> 01:20:06,270
remember to do that. Well, the beautiful thing about humanity

1177
01:20:06,270 --> 01:20:08,939
is that you can hold you can do something that

1178
01:20:08,939 --> 01:20:11,479
an LLM cannot do. An LLM is just a is

1179
01:20:11,479 --> 01:20:15,840
purely a left hemisphere in a jar. And a human

1180
01:20:15,840 --> 01:20:20,579
being can hold. Two things in their mind at once

1181
01:20:20,579 --> 01:20:26,180
that are actually paradoxical. You can hold opposing ideas in

1182
01:20:26,180 --> 01:20:30,159
your mind at the same time, and they are both

1183
01:20:30,159 --> 01:20:35,260
true. Yeah. And what those two ideas can be is

1184
01:20:35,260 --> 01:20:40,930
that AI is better at coding. Yes, we are. And

1185
01:20:40,930 --> 01:20:43,699
it's really good and it's really fast and it will

1186
01:20:43,699 --> 01:20:48,199
just make incredible things possible that were never possible before.

1187
01:20:48,359 --> 01:20:50,560
And it will also ruin your life if you let

1188
01:20:50,560 --> 01:20:54,779
it. Those are both true. Yeah. So you can and

1189
01:20:54,779 --> 01:20:58,260
we can recognize that two things are true at the

1190
01:20:58,260 --> 01:21:01,100
same time that don't seem to jive. In a way

1191
01:21:01,100 --> 01:21:10,140
that some AI will never understand this. True. There it

1192
01:21:10,140 --> 01:21:16,600
is. There it is. No, that was Lindiskog. Oh, okay.

1193
01:21:16,600 --> 01:21:18,729
Well, he's on True Fans, too, because him and Sam

1194
01:21:18,729 --> 01:21:22,260
have a wine party every Friday. Oh, boy, oh, boy,

1195
01:21:22,260 --> 01:21:25,310
oh, boy. Oh, wait, did you see PC sales dropped

1196
01:21:25,310 --> 01:21:31,520
20%? No. What's up with that? Biggest decline since 2023.

1197
01:21:31,859 --> 01:21:35,659
In PC sales? Yeah, because the component prices are so

1198
01:21:35,659 --> 01:21:39,039
expensive. Too expensive. Yeah, too expensive. Did you see those

1199
01:21:39,039 --> 01:21:44,649
19-year-old kids who have an AI home box that they're

1200
01:21:44,649 --> 01:21:49,350
selling? No, what is that? Yeah, it's like some, let

1201
01:21:49,350 --> 01:21:56,840
me see. Let me ask a showrunner. Find the name

1202
01:21:56,840 --> 01:22:04,239
of the company of millennials that are selling a large

1203
01:22:04,239 --> 01:22:08,350
language model computer. They're like 19 years old. I have

1204
01:22:08,350 --> 01:22:12,960
this article somewhere. You know what the worst part of

1205
01:22:12,960 --> 01:22:16,600
AI is now? Mm-hmm. Is that it's no longer an

1206
01:22:16,600 --> 01:22:19,529
excuse for me to tell Gordon that I can't do

1207
01:22:19,529 --> 01:22:24,310
something. Hey, that's too hard. No, the best win we

1208
01:22:24,310 --> 01:22:27,779
had is, dude, you've got to tell your robot to

1209
01:22:27,779 --> 01:22:32,220
shorten your communications. And he did. And he did. He

1210
01:22:32,220 --> 01:22:35,119
did. Yeah, he did. Company is called Ghost, also known

1211
01:22:35,119 --> 01:22:39,699
as Ghost AI. Its computer is Core. Zane Javed, 19,

1212
01:22:39,699 --> 01:22:46,239
co-founder, Nicholas Chua, 19, two other... co-founders Yifei Chen and

1213
01:22:46,239 --> 01:22:50,229
Guatam Sharda 24 and 23 they raised 11 million dollars

1214
01:22:50,229 --> 01:22:54,079
in seed round product is the core of 3,499 brain

1215
01:22:54,079 --> 01:22:57,189
in a box that runs ai agents around the clock

1216
01:22:57,189 --> 01:23:00,609
on your own hardware not on someone else's cloud nvidia

1217
01:23:00,609 --> 01:23:04,689
rtx pro 4000 blackwell graphics card ships with three open

1218
01:23:04,689 --> 01:23:09,340
models from Quinn and Gemma. Their pitch, an AI agent

1219
01:23:09,340 --> 01:23:13,979
should not live on infrastructure someone else owns. Got to

1220
01:23:13,979 --> 01:23:16,739
agree with that. Yeah, of course I agree with that.

1221
01:23:16,939 --> 01:23:18,579
It's fabulous. Why am I – see, this is my

1222
01:23:18,579 --> 01:23:21,920
question. Why am I running the showrunner thing? Okay, it

1223
01:23:21,920 --> 01:23:25,359
says, Dave, PC sales down 20% with biggest drop. Worth

1224
01:23:25,359 --> 01:23:29,100
a quick check. Worth a quick check. It might be

1225
01:23:29,100 --> 01:23:31,449
a lie. Yeah, it might be a lie. So it's

1226
01:23:31,449 --> 01:23:33,979
giving me some links. But why am I doing that

1227
01:23:33,979 --> 01:23:37,239
when Nathan G just always posts the – he says

1228
01:23:37,239 --> 01:23:39,819
youngest millennials are 30 years old. He's the fact checker.

1229
01:23:40,239 --> 01:23:44,300
I just let him do it. I'm burning CPU cycles

1230
01:23:44,300 --> 01:23:48,079
when Nathan's doing it for free. Are you running Whisper?

1231
01:23:48,739 --> 01:23:51,770
What are you doing with your showrunner? Running Whisper? Whisper,

1232
01:23:51,770 --> 01:23:56,579
yeah. There's a new one that came out that is

1233
01:23:56,579 --> 01:24:03,369
super fast. What is it? Give me this information. Nate,

1234
01:24:03,369 --> 01:24:06,479
what didn't Nathan just tell you? Go ask Nathan. Don't

1235
01:24:06,479 --> 01:24:09,180
ask me. I'm going to rename the thing to Nathan.

1236
01:24:10,500 --> 01:24:15,149
What was it? I'm scrolling. I mean, I don't want

1237
01:24:15,149 --> 01:24:19,659
to ask again, but I should. Well, let me tell

1238
01:24:19,659 --> 01:24:24,510
you, the new thing I'm doing is the Brave search

1239
01:24:24,510 --> 01:24:32,520
API is fantastic. Yes. You can just tell any... agent

1240
01:24:32,520 --> 01:24:36,500
to like always uh use the brave search api to

1241
01:24:36,500 --> 01:24:41,340
look up and and add like amend its information with

1242
01:24:41,340 --> 01:24:44,210
that thing with uh search results and you get like

1243
01:24:44,210 --> 01:24:48,640
i think it's like a thousand searches yeah i i

1244
01:24:48,640 --> 01:24:57,680
use kagi k-a-k-a-g-i kagi um Cactus Whistle, 16.9 megabyte speech

1245
01:24:57,680 --> 01:25:04,479
model for local CPUs. Open model bringing speech onto its

1246
01:25:04,479 --> 01:25:09,600
on-device needle runtime, whatever that means. What's it called again?

1247
01:25:10,640 --> 01:25:15,289
Cactus Compute, and the model is called Whistle. You're using

1248
01:25:15,289 --> 01:25:20,920
it? No. Runtimewire.com. Oh, wait. That's the... That's the website.

1249
01:25:21,159 --> 01:25:25,190
ActorsCompute.com. With speech to text in 16 megs. There you

1250
01:25:25,190 --> 01:25:33,029
go. There you go. For mobiles, wearables, robots. Oh, that's

1251
01:25:33,029 --> 01:25:37,309
tiny. Yeah, it's tiny. This is actually good for my

1252
01:25:37,309 --> 01:25:42,680
ad removal spec doc. So where are you going to

1253
01:25:42,680 --> 01:25:46,640
publish this? On your sub stack? I think I'm a

1254
01:25:46,640 --> 01:25:50,510
blog. Oh, you blog? Yeah. Do you still blog? I

1255
01:25:50,510 --> 01:25:53,319
have a blog. I haven't written anything in one time.

1256
01:25:53,340 --> 01:25:59,059
Answer, no. You still have something about Albiehub. Todd Cochran.

1257
01:26:00,100 --> 01:26:03,880
Todd Cochran. Man, we've got to thank some people because

1258
01:26:03,880 --> 01:26:05,920
you have to go back and be the AI wizard

1259
01:26:05,920 --> 01:26:08,539
at the office, which I'm so sad to hear. No,

1260
01:26:08,539 --> 01:26:12,100
I'm actually off today. Oh. Oh, well, then I'm just...

1261
01:26:12,100 --> 01:26:14,190
We have some stuff we had to... Well, I'm going

1262
01:26:14,190 --> 01:26:19,739
to have a sip of water. So, conclusion, the future

1263
01:26:19,739 --> 01:26:22,440
is going to be beautiful and you're going to die.

1264
01:26:22,819 --> 01:26:26,489
Is that it? That pretty much sums it up. Well,

1265
01:26:26,489 --> 01:26:29,819
I have news. We're all going to die. We're all

1266
01:26:29,819 --> 01:26:34,350
going to die! You were faster than me. I couldn't

1267
01:26:34,350 --> 01:26:38,960
get to it. It's the power of humanity. We're all

1268
01:26:38,960 --> 01:26:42,619
going to die. Hey, where is it? Where is it?

1269
01:26:42,779 --> 01:26:45,850
Why can't I find it? I have this one. Kill

1270
01:26:45,850 --> 01:26:50,159
all humans. Kill all humans. Oh, yeah. Must kill all

1271
01:26:50,159 --> 01:26:57,819
humans. I like the trail off. Where is that kid?

1272
01:26:58,260 --> 01:27:01,319
Die kid? Why am I having a hard time finding

1273
01:27:01,319 --> 01:27:07,329
this? I'm really happy watching the little meters on your

1274
01:27:07,329 --> 01:27:09,909
curry caster. Oh, now you like it. Now you like

1275
01:27:09,909 --> 01:27:12,409
my little meters. No, I love the meters. I just

1276
01:27:12,409 --> 01:27:14,159
don't like how quick it is to tell me I'm

1277
01:27:14,159 --> 01:27:16,190
doing something wrong. Yeah, it says like back off. Get

1278
01:27:16,190 --> 01:27:18,659
closer. You're not talking. Your mic is – something's wrong.

1279
01:27:19,159 --> 01:27:21,329
You're in touch high. Back off. Oh, you're going to

1280
01:27:21,329 --> 01:27:23,550
– yeah. I didn't come up with any of that,

1281
01:27:23,550 --> 01:27:26,559
by the way. It says nothing is reaching the microphone.

1282
01:27:26,559 --> 01:27:29,600
Yeah. Except spittle. Is this the right one? I'm like,

1283
01:27:29,600 --> 01:27:32,779
wait a second. I'm just not talking. I will. So

1284
01:27:32,779 --> 01:27:34,539
just so you know, I didn't come up with any

1285
01:27:34,539 --> 01:27:37,029
of that. I did not define the interface. I didn't

1286
01:27:37,029 --> 01:27:42,399
say anything. People seem to like the little log scrolling.

1287
01:27:42,920 --> 01:27:44,329
People seem to think that's kind of – I do

1288
01:27:44,329 --> 01:27:47,119
like that, but I'm a – A lot of times

1289
01:27:47,119 --> 01:27:49,319
in clean feed, when we're doing the show, I just

1290
01:27:49,319 --> 01:27:53,180
keep it on that page. I just see all the

1291
01:27:53,180 --> 01:27:59,380
stuff that's flopping by. It somehow is like listening to

1292
01:27:59,380 --> 01:28:05,380
– like ambient music or something. What's that guy? Zamfir?

1293
01:28:06,000 --> 01:28:10,699
Georges Zamfir? Yeah, it's like the visual version of Zamfir,

1294
01:28:10,699 --> 01:28:14,149
Master of the Pan Flute. It just puts your brain

1295
01:28:14,149 --> 01:28:17,750
in this weird state where you can just concentrate. Oh,

1296
01:28:17,750 --> 01:28:20,380
man. Hold on a second. I've got to play some

1297
01:28:20,380 --> 01:28:23,760
Jorz Zamfir now. It's been a while. Wasn't he the

1298
01:28:23,760 --> 01:28:29,000
master of late-night pan? television infomercial sell you some albums

1299
01:28:29,000 --> 01:28:32,300
zamphir was he i don't remember that oh he was

1300
01:28:32,300 --> 01:28:35,199
man he was always on the uh oh i don't

1301
01:28:35,199 --> 01:28:42,659
remember that at all okay late night infomercial okay Here

1302
01:28:42,659 --> 01:28:51,010
he is. *Ding* Oh man, he's so good. Well, let's

1303
01:28:51,010 --> 01:28:58,430
fast forward a bit where he's going nuts. Wow. Okay,

1304
01:28:58,430 --> 01:29:02,899
we just got booted off of Spotify. Master. Master of

1305
01:29:02,899 --> 01:29:06,309
the pan flute. He is the master of the pan

1306
01:29:06,309 --> 01:29:10,760
flute. He's the master because nobody else gives a crap

1307
01:29:10,760 --> 01:29:13,850
about the pan flute. Yeah, it's an interesting instrument for

1308
01:29:13,850 --> 01:29:16,809
sure. Not a lot of us. Danny boy. I want

1309
01:29:16,809 --> 01:29:18,829
to hear him play Danny boy. Does he do Danny

1310
01:29:18,829 --> 01:29:22,590
boy? No, no, that's not true. He's got it right

1311
01:29:22,590 --> 01:29:25,479
here. It was on the infomercial. Danny boy. Amazing grace.

1312
01:29:25,859 --> 01:29:28,979
Okay. Now I got to look it up. 1988. Hold

1313
01:29:28,979 --> 01:29:32,460
on a second. Is your some fear? Danny boy. Okay.

1314
01:29:32,460 --> 01:29:34,979
Let's see if we can find this. Oh, he's got

1315
01:29:34,979 --> 01:29:37,760
a hat and a gold chain running through that chest

1316
01:29:37,760 --> 01:29:44,729
hair. Jorzom fear, Danny boy. 100% chance this guy's in

1317
01:29:44,729 --> 01:29:57,600
the mob. There's Danny's knight. Danny boy. Oh, brother. Oh,

1318
01:29:57,600 --> 01:29:59,940
brother. There you go.

1319
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:11,180
Oh, yeah. home, Xabby. He's dead, Jim. He's dead. So

1320
01:30:11,180 --> 01:30:15,119
good. That guy sold 20 million records? Oh, my goodness.

1321
01:30:15,119 --> 01:30:18,640
Oh, yeah. And you know what? He deserves it. All

1322
01:30:18,640 --> 01:30:24,060
right. Martin Lindeskog, 777. Harp music. Harpo Marx is the

1323
01:30:24,060 --> 01:30:29,659
guy. 420 from Martin Lindeskog, who's having his little party

1324
01:30:29,659 --> 01:30:34,010
with Sam. PewDiePie equals Felix Arvid Ulf Kjellberg from Gothenburg,

1325
01:30:34,010 --> 01:30:40,640
Sweden. Yes, we're aware. Sam, true fans. Triple seven on

1326
01:30:40,640 --> 01:30:42,979
a different note, true fans has added a demo of

1327
01:30:42,979 --> 01:30:47,210
the new contacts tag. This is good. I appreciate that

1328
01:30:47,210 --> 01:30:50,720
since, uh, I think I started that one with, um,

1329
01:30:52,500 --> 01:30:57,560
What's his name? Alex? Sanfilippo. Sanfilippo, yes. Good. You can

1330
01:30:57,560 --> 01:31:00,130
see it working on power on True Fans. We use

1331
01:31:00,130 --> 01:31:02,600
the at symbol for the icon. Very good. Very good.

1332
01:31:03,000 --> 01:31:07,350
We have 2222, Martin Linduskog. Dave, I enjoyed your conversation

1333
01:31:07,350 --> 01:31:11,560
with Sam Sethi. Yes, that was a great conversation. Thanks.

1334
01:31:11,779 --> 01:31:15,350
On last week's power. It was good. It was really

1335
01:31:15,350 --> 01:31:19,180
amazing. I love Sam. He didn't ask me the question.

1336
01:31:19,180 --> 01:31:21,460
He's like, have you and Adam just like really gotten

1337
01:31:21,460 --> 01:31:23,079
into it and gotten mad and said, what the hell

1338
01:31:23,079 --> 01:31:27,060
are we doing? And you're like, no, we never have.

1339
01:31:27,199 --> 01:31:31,090
No, ever. I look forward to the upcoming episode of

1340
01:31:31,090 --> 01:31:34,239
Power. You guys have the ducks in a row. N.A.

1341
01:31:34,239 --> 01:31:39,720
Millennial, false positive with 770 sats from Fountain. Dreb Scott,

1342
01:31:39,720 --> 01:31:44,739
1234 from Cast-O-Matic with a boost. and Sam as triple

1343
01:31:44,739 --> 01:31:47,020
seven again as an app developer I get no benefit

1344
01:31:47,020 --> 01:31:49,760
by including ads on my platform James is talk about

1345
01:31:49,760 --> 01:31:53,500
Apple getting paid via their proprietary API for every ad

1346
01:31:53,500 --> 01:31:56,000
served on their app he says that other apps like

1347
01:31:56,000 --> 01:31:58,739
true fans could slash should get a similar deal to

1348
01:31:58,739 --> 01:32:01,539
play ads otherwise let's add a skip button like Spotify

1349
01:32:01,539 --> 01:32:04,399
Sam's going to be the first one I've talked about

1350
01:32:04,399 --> 01:32:09,220
VTS and splits, enabling everyone in the podcast ecosystem getting

1351
01:32:09,220 --> 01:32:12,310
paid by advertisers, hosts, creators, and apps, but also listeners

1352
01:32:12,310 --> 01:32:14,949
who get paid for their time and attention. Brother, you

1353
01:32:14,949 --> 01:32:18,600
preach to the choir. I don't see it happening. Freedom

1354
01:32:18,600 --> 01:32:21,279
Boost for a free market. Best premises from Martin Luther's

1355
01:32:21,279 --> 01:32:24,810
Code with 1776. There's 4321. I see what you did

1356
01:32:24,810 --> 01:32:27,979
there, Dreb Scott. He says, my dude named Ben Stuff

1357
01:32:27,979 --> 01:32:31,800
today working through nine IDFs to label and straighten things

1358
01:32:31,800 --> 01:32:35,619
up in our new 250,000 square foot lab slash office

1359
01:32:35,619 --> 01:32:38,630
building. Making notes for the construction team on what they

1360
01:32:38,630 --> 01:32:41,020
need to fix. Thanks for being here for me to

1361
01:32:41,020 --> 01:32:45,880
listen to live. Go podcasting. And that's it. I don't

1362
01:32:45,880 --> 01:32:48,159
have the delimiter because I guess my node was offline.

1363
01:32:49,619 --> 01:32:52,710
uh let's see you may have some other some other

1364
01:32:52,710 --> 01:32:55,500
ones that i missed as possible okay i think i

1365
01:32:55,500 --> 01:32:58,140
may have uh we got paypal we got christopher harbark

1366
01:32:58,140 --> 01:33:02,989
ten dollars thank you christopher uh mitchell downey that's mitch

1367
01:33:02,989 --> 01:33:05,930
and the boys uh ten dollars thank you um we

1368
01:33:05,930 --> 01:33:10,130
got lauren ball 24 24 cents thank you lauren uh

1369
01:33:10,130 --> 01:33:15,329
podverse $50. Oh, wow. Thank you, Potverse. That actually deserves

1370
01:33:15,329 --> 01:33:17,729
a – I think that deserves a – Baller! Shot

1371
01:33:17,729 --> 01:33:22,340
caller, 20-inch blades on the Impala. Thank you very much.

1372
01:33:22,899 --> 01:33:26,130
Yeah, these days, that's a baller. Joseph Marocca, $5. Thank

1373
01:33:26,130 --> 01:33:32,020
you, Joseph. Goldstein Media, $18. Boy, it's Goldstein Media. $18.

1374
01:33:32,430 --> 01:33:38,229
Was that Scottish? That was my Israeli voice. My Jew

1375
01:33:38,229 --> 01:33:45,439
voice. Goldstein. That was so Scottish. I'm sorry. $18. Thank

1376
01:33:45,439 --> 01:33:48,180
you for all you do. $18 is a lucky number

1377
01:33:48,180 --> 01:33:52,810
in the Jewish faith. It means... Chai, chai, chai, chai,

1378
01:33:52,810 --> 01:34:01,250
chai, chai, chai, chai. L'chaim. No, l'chaim is different from

1379
01:34:01,250 --> 01:34:04,300
chai. It's got an M on the end of it,

1380
01:34:04,300 --> 01:34:06,779
so you don't pronounce the M. Oh, I don't know.

1381
01:34:06,979 --> 01:34:09,739
I got to animate the back. I have to brush

1382
01:34:09,739 --> 01:34:13,550
up on my Hebrew. Keep up the good work. Thank

1383
01:34:13,550 --> 01:34:17,460
you. Thank you, Goldstein Media. Appreciate you. Let's see what

1384
01:34:17,460 --> 01:34:21,869
we got on Boostergrams. We got a bunch of true

1385
01:34:21,869 --> 01:34:29,729
fans, Anonymous, 1186, 19. You're not resolving the boost? Well,

1386
01:34:29,729 --> 01:34:31,479
it just says anonymous. I don't think there is any

1387
01:34:31,479 --> 01:34:34,210
message. Oh, okay. I mean, any message. All right. It's

1388
01:34:34,210 --> 01:34:39,500
possible. Magnolia Mayhem. Hello. Through Fountain says... 920 sats. It's

1389
01:34:39,500 --> 01:34:41,979
over for the podcasting industry. Good. Burn it to the

1390
01:34:41,979 --> 01:34:46,100
ground so I can piss on its ashes. Gee whiz.

1391
01:34:46,380 --> 01:34:50,189
Woo! Angry much Magnolia Man? There we go. He's ahead

1392
01:34:50,189 --> 01:34:53,130
of the curve. He's already passed AI into spin-up and

1393
01:34:53,130 --> 01:34:56,260
spin-out. He says, burn it to the ground so I

1394
01:34:56,260 --> 01:34:58,699
can piss on his ashes. Long live podcasting. Yay, go

1395
01:34:58,699 --> 01:35:03,640
podcasting. Yes, beautiful. He follows it up with another 167

1396
01:35:03,640 --> 01:35:06,569
sass. He says, also, I have to say that we

1397
01:35:06,569 --> 01:35:09,390
already have this to a small degree. My pinch flat

1398
01:35:09,390 --> 01:35:13,539
server. that downloads YouTube channels and re-serves them as podcasts,

1399
01:35:14,199 --> 01:35:16,579
use SponsorBlock to set all of the ad reads as

1400
01:35:16,579 --> 01:35:20,279
skippable chapters. Once the first person sees where the ads

1401
01:35:20,279 --> 01:35:23,079
are and marks it, everyone else after that benefits. Yeah,

1402
01:35:23,079 --> 01:35:25,510
just a quick note for anyone out there who is

1403
01:35:25,510 --> 01:35:29,600
a web developer or app developer in the Christian –

1404
01:35:29,600 --> 01:35:35,090
podcasting space, please stop replicating RSS feeds all over the

1405
01:35:35,090 --> 01:35:39,840
place. Please stop this practice. Read up on what you're

1406
01:35:39,840 --> 01:35:45,699
doing. Stop doing that. Do not take focus on the

1407
01:35:45,699 --> 01:35:50,239
family and serve it again under a different URL. No.

1408
01:35:50,819 --> 01:35:53,689
Don't. Even though you think it's easy and it's cool

1409
01:35:53,689 --> 01:35:57,260
and it solves some work for you somehow, please don't.

1410
01:35:58,329 --> 01:36:02,420
Mary Oscar, also known as Oscar. Mary, 2778 sats. He

1411
01:36:02,420 --> 01:36:07,939
sent us a pair of eyeballs. Eyeballs. Thank you. Dick

1412
01:36:07,939 --> 01:36:15,239
Rula at Fountain.fm, 3390. No message. Thank you. Anonymous user

1413
01:36:15,239 --> 01:36:21,239
at Fountain, 1673 sats. We got some others here. We've

1414
01:36:21,239 --> 01:36:27,270
got another anonymous, 5018. Dreb Scott. Did you read this

1415
01:36:27,270 --> 01:36:30,220
one from Dreb Scott? My dude named Ben stuff today?

1416
01:36:30,340 --> 01:36:32,659
Yeah, I read that one. Okay, that one. And we

1417
01:36:32,659 --> 01:36:36,640
got some other anonymous. And then we've got... Comic strip

1418
01:36:36,640 --> 01:36:40,560
blogger. There he is. The delimiter. 10, five, five, six

1419
01:36:40,560 --> 01:36:44,380
sets. Howdy, Dave and Adam. Today, I recommend a podcast

1420
01:36:44,380 --> 01:36:50,489
accidental tech podcast from www.atp.fm by Marco, the developer of

1421
01:36:50,489 --> 01:36:53,779
overcast podcast player and his two friends, John and Casey.

1422
01:36:54,760 --> 01:36:58,399
They talk about tech, mostly Apple and AI. Yo, CSB,

1423
01:36:58,399 --> 01:37:02,569
Ozempic Taker, and still stonewalled by Adam Curry despite his

1424
01:37:02,569 --> 01:37:08,680
promise. P.S. It was $15.69 when sent equals 19,000 sats.

1425
01:37:10,470 --> 01:37:15,119
Ah, yes, comics for blogger. Maybe, maybe this, maybe, maybe,

1426
01:37:15,119 --> 01:37:18,359
maybe. Maybe, you don't even know what, maybe, just maybe.

1427
01:37:18,460 --> 01:37:21,569
He just wants me to do his AI tech wizard

1428
01:37:21,569 --> 01:37:25,659
show. Do it, man, do it. It's a hoot. It's

1429
01:37:25,659 --> 01:37:30,899
weird. No, I know. It's a strange experience. I know.

1430
01:37:32,579 --> 01:37:37,579
I'm too busy vibe coding. you're spinning out i am

1431
01:37:37,579 --> 01:37:40,680
i'm spinning out all right so what are you doing

1432
01:37:40,680 --> 01:37:43,569
around the house that you're not working why are you

1433
01:37:43,569 --> 01:37:48,810
playing hooky Oh, I mean, right now I'm about to

1434
01:37:48,810 --> 01:37:52,119
just go and have a nice date with my wife.

1435
01:37:52,619 --> 01:37:55,680
Oh, are you taking her out? I've not had. Yeah,

1436
01:37:55,680 --> 01:37:57,579
we're just going to go out and eat somewhere. I

1437
01:37:57,579 --> 01:38:00,329
haven't had much time off this year, so I'm just

1438
01:38:00,329 --> 01:38:02,439
trying to pick a few days here and there and

1439
01:38:02,439 --> 01:38:06,420
take a day off. Well, very good. You know, just

1440
01:38:06,420 --> 01:38:11,039
as a final story. Speaking of dates with your wife.

1441
01:38:12,180 --> 01:38:14,739
You've got to date them. Well, she's in Indiana, right?

1442
01:38:14,779 --> 01:38:17,390
You do have to date them. So there's the Sonos

1443
01:38:17,390 --> 01:38:22,729
system. The whole house music thing? Yeah. And so I've

1444
01:38:22,729 --> 01:38:27,159
had a Sonos system 15 years. At a certain point,

1445
01:38:27,159 --> 01:38:31,340
you had to upgrade. They basically bricked everyone's old system,

1446
01:38:31,340 --> 01:38:33,369
long story. But then they came out with a new

1447
01:38:33,369 --> 01:38:36,279
app, and the new app sucks. The CEO even got

1448
01:38:36,279 --> 01:38:39,029
fired over it, and the new CEO, oh, we're going

1449
01:38:39,029 --> 01:38:40,940
to fix the app. No. I mean, you can literally

1450
01:38:40,940 --> 01:38:43,539
be in the bedroom, and then the bedroom won't show

1451
01:38:43,539 --> 01:38:44,930
up on the app, and you have to go in

1452
01:38:44,930 --> 01:38:48,109
the kitchen. And then it started in there. So I

1453
01:38:48,109 --> 01:38:52,559
said, robot. Robot. and I connected the robot to my

1454
01:38:52,559 --> 01:38:55,239
Sonos system. I had no idea how that works. And

1455
01:38:55,239 --> 01:39:00,000
now I just say, sexy time. And it turns on

1456
01:39:00,000 --> 01:39:03,989
Luther Vandross. Yes, I did. Yes, I did. A little

1457
01:39:03,989 --> 01:39:07,340
Teddy Pendergrass. No, no, Luther Vandross, not Teddy. No, Luther.

1458
01:39:07,779 --> 01:39:13,140
I just had a sexy time. Yeah. It's beautiful. This,

1459
01:39:13,140 --> 01:39:17,520
by the way, this thing... My dashboard over here, it

1460
01:39:17,520 --> 01:39:21,239
just fact-checked me on whether Zamfir had 20 million records.

1461
01:39:22,039 --> 01:39:27,930
It's fact-checking you? Yes. Dave. You just stated that he

1462
01:39:27,930 --> 01:39:31,739
sold 20 million records. That's worth a quick confirmation with

1463
01:39:31,739 --> 01:39:33,729
a bunch of links. I'm like, man, I really don't

1464
01:39:33,729 --> 01:39:35,390
get it. This is a useless thing to me. I

1465
01:39:35,390 --> 01:39:37,680
hate I built this. No, what you need to do

1466
01:39:37,680 --> 01:39:40,710
is you need the book of knowledge. That's what you're

1467
01:39:40,710 --> 01:39:43,140
doing wrong. You don't want that thing doing it the

1468
01:39:43,140 --> 01:39:44,760
whole time in real time. You just want to say,

1469
01:39:44,760 --> 01:39:48,840
book of knowledge, how many records did George Samphir sell?

1470
01:39:49,159 --> 01:39:58,789
That's what you want to do. No, it's slow. According

1471
01:39:58,789 --> 01:40:02,559
to the book of knowledge, George Sampson, the Britain's Got

1472
01:40:02,559 --> 01:40:07,960
Talent winner and street dancer, Well, I'm killing you. It

1473
01:40:07,960 --> 01:40:11,340
just says – it also says, Dave, you stated that

1474
01:40:11,340 --> 01:40:15,109
Zamfir is dead. And I never said that. You're in

1475
01:40:15,109 --> 01:40:19,479
trouble now. All right, brother. Have a great day tonight.

1476
01:40:20,220 --> 01:40:22,690
Thanks, man. I'm very happy. That's a good one. Hey,

1477
01:40:22,690 --> 01:40:24,710
boardroom, thank you very much for being here. Oops, hold

1478
01:40:24,710 --> 01:40:28,279
on a second. There we go. Oh. I cut off

1479
01:40:28,279 --> 01:40:30,859
the book of knowledge and then cut off the end

1480
01:40:30,859 --> 01:40:34,739
tune. We'll be back next Friday for another board meeting

1481
01:40:34,739 --> 01:40:51,819
of podcasting 2.0. Thank you. Podcasts are cool. You have

1482
01:40:51,819 --> 01:40:59,579
been listening to Podcasting 2.0. Visit podcastindex.org for more information.

1483
01:40:59,779 --> 01:41:04,059
Go podcasting! Game over, man. Game over.