Episode 264: Podcast Plebicide

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Podcasting 2.0 for June 19th, 2026. Episode 264. Podcast plebiscite.

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Hello, everybody. It's raining here in Texas, but it's Friday

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because you know what that means. It is time for

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Podcasting 2.0. Everything going down in the world of podcasting

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is and then some other things as well. I'm Adam

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Currie here in the heart of the Texas Hill Country

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and in Alabama, the man who always gives you five

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nines above time. No memos. Memos require you to write

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things. A memorandum of understanding is different. It requires meetings.

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handwriting stuff and flying to Switzerland to sign them. What?

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Um... You threw me on the Switzerland thing. Oh, I

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was referring to the Iran memorandum of understanding. Okay, I

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know nothing about this. Oh, you know what? That's beautiful.

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You don't need to know anything. You can be like

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those tourists all over social media. I'm so disconnected from

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anything that even remotely resembles news. I have no idea.

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I checked out of even trying to keep up with

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the Iran thing because it was like, you know, we're

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going to sign a peace deal. We're not signing a

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peace deal. The straits are open. No, they're closed. No,

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the straits are open. I'm like, I can't do this.

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Whatever. Whatever. Basically, what is the... price at the pump.

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Okay, I guess that's okay then. We're all right. That's

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all we care about as Americans, really. And it's always

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just going to have the current president's sticker on the

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pump with a little finger saying, I did this. So

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it doesn't matter anyway. Whoever the new guy is, you

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put that sticker on there. Exactly. Yeah. No, I was

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saying that I love all these tourists who are here

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for the World Cup. You're not on social media, so

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you don't see that. It's on YouTube too. It's all

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over YouTube. And once you watch one, then you get

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into the algo hole. It's so wonderful. People are like.

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Wow, America's great. The yellow school buses, they're real. They're

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real. I think that was just in TV shows and

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movies. Oops. Oh, hey. Hello. Got a baller. Baller. Let's

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see who boosted the baller. Oh, thank you, Drebscott. 10,000

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sats. Boom. Right off the bat, a baller. Yeah, I've

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been watching I'm not a soccer fan. Really? But... I'm

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also not a fan of... We call it. like curling,

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but I watched that during the Olympics, and I enjoy

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it. I enjoy it, too. It's true. Curling is, especially

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when they got cute. girls on the team like yeah

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yeah but i'm not gonna watch it on like a

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tuesday in june you know no so but so so

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when the world cup happens um soccer's fun because i'm

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caught up in the hey everybody there's big things happening

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and it's fun to watch along and that kind of

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thing. Yeah, I like it too. I watch it. So

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I've been watching it. And the funny thing is we're

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watching it on the Roku. Yeah. And the only thing

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we have really access to because we don't pay for

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streaming stuff is... is like peacock Uh, like Spanish feed,

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the Telemundo feed. Ha ha, goal! Everything is in Spanish.

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We don't even know who the teams are for a

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while because we're trying to figure out what the logo

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and the colors mean. Yeah, it's like, okay, okay. Well,

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I hope it stays free now that Fox bought it.

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Oh, they'll charge. They'll take the free part away. Yeah.

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I don't know if they will. They may or they

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may not, but. It's interesting you have free peacock. I

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didn't realize that. You gotta pay for it here. I

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think it comes with our... Your TV. No, with our

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internet. With our home internet. There's some kind of deal

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with our internet provider where you get like... It used

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to be HBO Max. No, no, no. I don't know

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why the Spanish thing is a thing. We can't get

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an English feed of the World Cup. For some reason.

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Oh, that's too bad. I have, um, see, what am

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I recording it on? Sam Sethi probably pays for some

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kind of like $300 a month football god package or

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something. Uber lord package. Yeah. I really like YouTube TV.

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Ever since they added C-Span, that was the gating factor

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for me to have cable, which we got rid of.

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Um... Because C-SPAN is important for me. And you can

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set it up easily on YouTube TV to just record.

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Now you can do endless recordings of stuff. They keep

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creeping that price up on YouTube TV, though. Oh, yeah.

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Well, I understand. A few bucks at a time, you

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know. I understand it. You turn around one day and

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it's 120. It's almost the same. It's basically the same

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price as cable packages used to be. No, no. Well.

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No. Mike... When we canceled cable, it was like... 120

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bucks a month. But it came with internet? And that

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was like 12 years ago. That was a long time

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ago. But still over $100. Did you get your internet

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through them as well? How do you get your internet

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now? We do it through AT&T Fiber. Okay, what do

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you pay and what are you getting? We pay $85

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a month. And it's just internet. What kind of bandwidth?

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Just internet. No, it's a symmetric gig. A gig. Okay.

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I got five gigs for a hundred. I really love

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that. Symmetric 5x5x. I don't think we have... I don't

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think we have five gigs. No, this is... We got

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this... I'm sorry. I think we can do... Three gigs

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through Charter, but... I've not done it because I feel

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like anything above a gig. is sort of a marketing

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scam. Oh, totally. We got it because we're rural America.

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So... What is the outfit called that does this? They

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bought... They bought Verizon's thing. I forget their name now.

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Is it Freedom Internet? No, it's not. It's not. It's

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something like that. But they got subsidies from the government.

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So, you know, that's why we have this, you know,

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super broadband. Because, of course, you know, the most billionaires

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in Texas live in Fredericksburg. And so we need the

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subsidy to give us five gigs of Internet. It makes

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nothing but sense. Frontier. That's the frontier. Yeah, that's the

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one. Frontier. I was thinking freedom. I meant frontier. Same

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thing. Yeah, that's true. I was reflecting the whole week

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I've been reflecting on, uh, on the last board meeting.

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Because you were in... I've kind of been a... Well,

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I think you were grieving. a little bit. The loss

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of what? The loss of, well, about AI coding and...

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being a software developer and It felt like you were

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grieving a little bit about it. Because you said I

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love it and hate it at the same time. Is

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that an incorrect assumption? It's interesting that you bring that

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up because I've been... thinking about the last board meeting

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most of the week as well. Were you thinking about

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me? Because my butt got all warm, so I don't

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know. It's supposed to be your ears, not your butt.

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I'm sorry. I'll have to talk to my body. Is

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your butt burning? Somebody's talking about you. No, the... I

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actually did something I rarely ever do and within a

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couple of hours after you posted the show I went

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back and listened to the show again. I did too

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and I rarely do that myself. That's interesting. That's funny

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because it just felt like such a it was such

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a discombobulated show that we forgot to do donations. That

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has never happened to me in a podcast ever. Ever.

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I don't know what happened there. That shows you how

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weird it was. I didn't have an end of show.

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I mean, everything was off. Okay, I have some conclusions

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about it, but do you want to go first? Let's

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review. - With the meeting notes of the last board

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meeting. - No, please no AI meeting note taker, please.

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Is it? ISOs, you can pull last week's ISO. That

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was a killer one. Yeah. um Yeah, I think I

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actually know. There's a bunch of podcast stuff we need

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to talk about, but this, I actually want to, I'm

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glad you brought this up. Because Justin Jackson had a

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blog post this week. Oh, I have not seen Justin

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Jackson's blog post. Justin Jackson of Transistor. also of Podcast

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Standards Project. Notoriety and fame. Yes. Infamy. Infamy. What is

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it? Is it a sub stack or what is it?

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I don't know. I don't know what it is. I

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don't know what he uses, but it's, it's a. I'm

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gonna have to find it now. Um. Calm company, how

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to build something people want. Am I looking at the

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right thing here? Do you know what it was called?

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Justin Jackson's a basketball player, evidently. Transistor blog. Now I've

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got to go find it. Podcasting articles. Here it is,

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justinjackson.ca.

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Yeah, I got that. Oh, yeah, that's right, because he's

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a Canuck. Yeah. Which blog post? I don't even remember

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what it's called. It's brand new. It should be at

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the top. How I would build a new startup if

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I do it all over. Okay, we have Calm Company.

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We have a communication problem. Here it is. It's not

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on the homepage. Oh, yes, yes. Yes, we do. Yes,

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we do. That was a very good post. I saw

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it. I actually talked about that on No Agenda, which

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you never listen to. Oh, see, that's why I don't

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listen, because I would have been tainted. Yes. Um. So

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he wrote this blog post and the. The long and

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short of it is that... He's saying that... real life,

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he's... Got a company that they've had, the transistor is

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a company they've built remotely. Sort of like we've always

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worked, you know, remotely. together and sort of in this

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disconnect. chat based work. That you slack. UNI use Signal.

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And he said that there was this long-running issue building

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between him and his co-founder. that was sort of simmering

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over many months where they had this some basic agreements

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about some things. He was not, he didn't elaborate on

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it, but he said, um, They finally met up. and

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just had dinner together in real life. and It was

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all. resolved all their differences, all this discrimination. Yeah, in

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like 30 minutes. In like 30 minutes. Over dinner. Yeah.

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I take it back. There was no agenda. It was

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on We Get to Do This where I discussed it.

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Okay. And you and I have had these experiences with,

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you know, with Godcaster where we have disagreements and we've

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had this experience with other things we've been involved in.

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You and I tend to... Things just kind of roll

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off of us a little bit quicker, but whenever somebody

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else comes in, things tend to flare up a little

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bit. Um, but. You know, the point of his article

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was real life is better for... many reasons this being

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one of them. for all the things there's nothing novel

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here what he's saying it's just we know all this

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we know that We know that this is the case

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because of all kinds of things, body language, the look

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on a person's face. You can tell when you said

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something, if it hurt their feelings. You can tell if

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they're... concerned about something you're saying because then you sense,

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oh, maybe you're misunderstanding. There's a lot of things that

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happen. In real life, this is not groundbreaking information here.

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Breaking! Bye. But I'm not really interested. I started thinking

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about that. and not really about the why so much

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as the how. Um... You know, we often go back

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and forth. on github and podcast index.social mastodon About the

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various standards and tags that people are working on and

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interested in building. or refining or whatever. As expected, there's

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disagreements. there always is going to be in this kind

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of work. And people, including me, we get our feelings

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hurt sometimes. We, you know, we flame out. We do

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these kinds of things. And As part of this... You

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know me, I'm going around the world, I'll come back,

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I promise. I have this intense... He's doing the weave,

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people. He's doing the weave. I have this intense dislike.

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I'm with you, brother. I just don't look at it.

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It's not an option for you, but I just don't

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look at it. You know It's not an option for

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me, but I don't look at it either. I don't.

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And I can't really put my finger on why until

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I read... Two things had to happen back to back.

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I read Justin's blog post and I was thinking about

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it. It was in my head. And then later I

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was reading. a book that I had started to read

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a while back and had put down in order to

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read Secular Age, the Charles Taylor books. I finished Secular

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Age finally. I'm a slow reader. So I sort of,

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I was reading that, this new book and I was

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sort of. Put two and two together. through this lens

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of attention. focused attention. And so this book is... about

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is about the brain and and its effect on society

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specifically. you know, the world we live in now, modern

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society. It's called The Master and His Emissary by Ian

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McGilchrist. Um. partially It's partially a critique of like the,

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you know, this, this guy's a. He's a neurologist. fellow

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at Oxford distinguished career It is partially a critique of

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the machine model of the brain. So the brain is

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split into two hemispheres. connected through this mass of connective

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circuits. called the Corpus Colossum. But the thing, even if

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you sever that connective tissue between the hemispheres, with very

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few exceptions, the brain and the person continues to function

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just like they always did. Which is weird. So So

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why is it there? If you can cut, if you

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can literally sever the two hemispheres and they and there's

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very little impact that it has why did it why

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was it like that to begin with And why are

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there two hemispheres anyway? Like it was noticed early on,

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like very early, that language seems to be predominantly a

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left hemisphere. activity. Yeah, there's a lot of people writing

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about this right now. And it comes from this guy's

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book. Oh, interesting. Yeah, this is the root. Now, this

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book is a more accessible version of his larger academic

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work called The Matter with Things, which is a two-volume.

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1200 page beast. This is the more accessible version. Um.

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their language activity being concentrated in the right hemisphere. Mm-hmm.

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rules that to the brain in the same way that

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they would apply to something like a machine. So Even

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though that's not the main point of the book, that

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is part of it. kind of idea I was reading

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through. You know, pro- attention, this focused attention being primarily

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like a... left hemisphere activity. And let me just say

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here, though. It's also where we get triggered on everything.

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I mean, the left brain is a whole bunch of

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crazy stuff, which is social media loves left brain. Well,

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and I know, and I know, I feel like I'm...

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running through that right now. I need to say first

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of all... Please do not read left-right hemisphere language as

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relating to anything like political or cultural. as we talk

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of left and right, like on the politics spectrum. No,

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no. They're not in any way related. That's not a

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thing. But, you know, in his idea is that... Left

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hemisphere dominance is what is the prime mover of cultural

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impact in the world today. So in this. But he

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has this quote, and I wrote it down. He said,

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attention is not just another function. alongside other cognitive functions.

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ontological statuses of something prior to functions and even to

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things. The kind of attention we bring to bear on

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the world changes the nature of the world we attend

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to. the very nature of the world in which those

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functions would be carried out and in which those things

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exist. attention changes what kind of a thing comes into

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being for us. And that way it changes the world.

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world there, I think he means, and I'm pretty sure

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he's meaning the world as we perceive it. As we

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perceive it, of course. Right. Which really is the world.

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It's all perception. Yeah. Because that's all we have access

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to, right? We can only see the world through a

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perception. And in a sense, you could think of it

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like... Like, what does Mount Everest do when nobody's there?

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there's this. There's this very predominant view that there's like

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this subjective view of the world. And then there's this

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objective view of the world. And that some of us

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see one, you know, I see the world objectively and

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you see it subjectively. But that doesn't really obtain because

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the idea there. The idea that there are even two

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views, a subjective and an objected, isn't a priority view

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of the world. You're bringing the view that there are

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two views. to bear on the world already. So you've

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already... dude

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It's a tautology. So the, I mean, the book. You

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know... It's... It's in my mind, and I'm kind of

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thinking through all these things, as after I read... Justin's

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blog post. And then. James posted something on Podcast Index

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on social about the transcript tag. And, uh... Nice, if

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I can find it. And then there was this discussion

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back and forth between James and Daniel J. Lewis. Yes,

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I saw some of that, yeah. Yeah, okay. James said,

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my proposal was to suggest that full support Support of

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the transcript tag should be suggested to be simply VTT.

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that if you only support VTT... both publisher and client,

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then that's full support of the tag. And if you

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do not support VTT, you do not support the tag.

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Now, I really appreciated... What? what he said there. Because

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I think that that resolved a lot of misunderstandings of.

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what I've been thinking he's been saying over months now.

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And I was like, man, wow, this is... It's amazing

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that Justin posts this. And then I have like... a

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realization of a thing that I was very unsure about

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what James was saying. And James even said there, he's

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like, if you want to jump on a call and

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work this out, I'm happy to explain it. I was

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like. You know, we probably should have done that. Yeah.

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Criddler call. The Criddle phone. Pick up the Criddle phone.

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And, uh... So then Daniel J. Lewis, if you scroll

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down, he said... He comes back. He says standards do

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need to be set for things to get adopted. There

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does need to be a sense of, quote, you're doing

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it wrong. Here's the right way to do it, which

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I know seems contrary to your own technology perspective, Dave.

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And I appreciate what he said there. And also, and

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of course, James's post as well. because it It gave

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me a chance to sort of go off and give

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all this a good think. And as part of thinking

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about it, I just started realizing podcastindex.social. more closely mimics

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a real sort of life experience to me. than something

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like a slack or signal or something like that oh

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absolutely But why? Isn't it odd? It's... It's the interface,

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Dave. Yeah. I think you're right. Why would Mastodon mimic

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a real life experience? And I'm not saying that Mastodon

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adequately captures real life. I'm not saying it's a replacement

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for that in any way. um It's even close to

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being in the same room with another person. That's not.

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that's not the point of what I'm saying, but I'm

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saying that the fact that there is any difference at

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all between those two mediums, something like a, like a

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Slack and a podcast index, that social to me is,

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is it bears a significance that I need to, that,

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that, that I thought I needed to stop and think

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about. And I think it's because... the sort of semi-public

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federated nature. of mastodon makes it feel Makes it feel

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more like you're having a personal discussion where you're going

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back and forth with a person in an open space,

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like in public. Mm-hmm. It sort of, it feels like

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the same atmosphere you get like in a hallway in

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an office building where you're having this one-on-one discussion, but

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people are walking by and overhearing, and then somebody may

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even overhear a thing you said and jump in the

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conversation. But then if you compare that to something like

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Signal or Slack or even email or text messaging or

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those kinds of things that are... Completely private, isolated environments.

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I think they distort this attention mechanism. because there's no

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real world equivalent to something like that. It really draws

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this... left hemisphere. which is predominantly... Um... involved in focused

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attention to a single issue like he gives the example

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in the book of of birds in hell. They will

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use their right eye. So left and right are swapped.

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body. They'll use the right eye to monitor, to be

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focused on what they're eating. like off the ground and

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they'll be at the exact same time using their left

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eye to watch for prey And so there's this split

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between And this left hemisphere is intensely f***ed. focus on

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this one thing right in front of it and it's

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not seeing the world in this big picture of the

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world yeah it's a micro micro hyper focused hyper focus

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and the that distorted attention mechanism, like we really do

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feel siloed into a bubble. Where there's, where it ends.

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up being there's nothing bigger than that one thing that

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exists. It becomes that one issue becomes the whole world

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to us. And of course it's going to make us

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angry. Ah, okay. So, just interjecting. That may be because

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when you scroll down the homepage of the Mastodon. You

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see something, but there's other things, there's other... conversations, other

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context in the same space where a GitHub It's like

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you're in a GitHub discussion. That's it. There's nothing else.

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You're isolated. You're isolated, yeah. I think you're exactly right.

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going to make us angry because it feels like our

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whole world depends on it because that is our current

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perception of the entire world. Now I don't know what

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to do about it. Oh, it's very simple. I know

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exactly what to do about it. When you read something

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on GitHub, cover your right eye. Use only your left

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eye. That's genius! I'm telling you. It may work. Was

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it like pirates when they had the iPad and they'd

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move it to the other side? Yeah. This is great.

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I'm going to try it myself. There might be something

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to this. It's like a chicken. You have to flip

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your head around the other way and look at it.

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Just a thought. I don't know. I mean, like, maybe

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I've... It's funny that I think I sort of intuitively

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felt that this was something going on here in this

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fashion because I had asked. Nathan. couple of weeks or

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I mentioned something and we interacted. about. the github discussions

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and and how i'd like was it a mistake to

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move away from the issues and I think I was

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just feeling uncomfortable with the whole thing. And I'm not

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saying that we should ditch discussions or all of that.

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I mean, no, no, it's not necessary, but I'm just.

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I think These are the types of things that open

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source projects do not discuss. And because they get intensely

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focused on the technology and that's all that matters, and

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in the background, these things are brewing. And these the

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it's these ancillary things that come into the the picture

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with open source projects. and create. flame wars and hurt

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feelings and all these kinds of things because they never

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talk about the world outside of just the technology that

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they're dealing with. You know, I've thought about our merry

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band of misfits a lot. Just in general. And I

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think that the... inadvertently the success of this project because

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it's just a project that we're doing here is two

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things. It's the mastodon. in combination with the GitHub. I

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mean, the GitHub is there for, obviously, for code and

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commits and PRs and I've, I, I, I realize I

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can't handle the discussions because I get mad. I'm just

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reading it like... I don't know what you're talking about.

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I'm the podfather. Get away. I'll shoot what she's saying.

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and the podcast. The board meeting. where we just kind

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of hash this stuff out and you can't and it

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only works with the live chat Those elements only. Yep.

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Yep. Yep. Those elements make this somehow make this thing

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work. makes i mean I don't know if I, I

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mean. You and I don't make any money off of

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this. Six years we've been doing this. We're doing it

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for reasons. But... It would have been a lot harder

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if we didn't have the Mastodon and the podcast with

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the chat. And this weekly kind of get together, you

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know, no set agenda, more or less. and just hash

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stuff out. goof off sometimes, have a good laugh, have

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a good weekend. See you on the Mastodon. you know?

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Yeah. I think that all open source projects should have

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some combination of this. I think you're right. It just

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feels critical, you know? Yeah, and this... I would go

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further and say that also... The Puny's Weekly Review is

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also a big part of it. Absolutely. Absolutely. Yes, James

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and Sam, I do listen. They're like, they're like Adam

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Curry, Adam Curry. Otherwise, they don't think that my robot

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will pick it up. Listen, my robot is pretty sophisticated,

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okay? My robot.

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God knows what it's doing, and I do listen. But

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if they somehow stopped doing that show, we would probably

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just have them come on the show a lot. Yeah.

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Oh, yeah. Absolutely. And discuss things. Because I think it's

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just that. That's part of – But this is what

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blogging used to be. When Weiner had the right ideas

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about blogs... with uh, reposting. Um, Ah, you know... I

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forget all the different things that we had, but you

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could make a blog post about a blog post and

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then you could hit that tag, that blog post. It

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would show up on automatically on like a ping, ping

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back. Or whatever it was. Yeah, was that what it

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was called? I think that was called a pingback. Might

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have been a pingback, yeah. I mean, these were all

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the right ideas, and of course all these ideas got

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commercialized and hijacked the whole idea of the news feed.

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Facebook didn't have a news feed. They didn't have a

465
00:30:55,558 --> 00:31:01,549
feed. you know, like an RSS feed. But anyway. Well,

466
00:31:01,793 --> 00:31:07,876
I think, yeah, that's right, yeah. That's... So that's interesting

467
00:31:07,917 --> 00:31:09,655
because that was not at all what I was going

468
00:31:09,696 --> 00:31:12,909
to talk about. Oh, sorry. Go ahead. No, no, no.

469
00:31:12,929 --> 00:31:15,588
Don't be sorry. No, we love a sage cast. There's

470
00:31:15,708 --> 00:31:20,627
nothing wrong with that. Now I felt, okay, so. I

471
00:31:20,647 --> 00:31:23,468
mistakenly felt you were grieving a little bit because we

472
00:31:23,528 --> 00:31:30,336
talked about it. about being a software engineer. and you

473
00:31:30,356 --> 00:31:34,678
know, just where this is headed with. coding agents etc

474
00:31:34,718 --> 00:31:37,032
and you felt a little bit bummed about it because

475
00:31:37,072 --> 00:31:39,984
i think you if i recall you said I love

476
00:31:40,045 --> 00:31:43,405
it and hate it immensely at the same time. Yes,

477
00:31:43,631 --> 00:31:46,456
that's right. So you weren't grieving over that. You were

478
00:31:46,516 --> 00:31:50,548
grieving over James. He made you cry. No, no, no,

479
00:31:50,568 --> 00:31:53,677
not at all. No, this is not true. No, no,

480
00:31:53,697 --> 00:31:57,865
no. No, your description is accurate. Yes. No, I'm. The

481
00:31:57,907 --> 00:32:00,270
only thing, the only little... You're right. The only little

482
00:32:00,331 --> 00:32:05,974
tweak, though, I would put into it is... that I

483
00:32:05,995 --> 00:32:12,257
felt Um... I still feel that way. I still hate

484
00:32:12,317 --> 00:32:17,798
AI intensely. And, and, and I. It's not like I

485
00:32:17,963 --> 00:32:22,170
want- I don't get a lot of joy from code.

486
00:32:22,230 --> 00:32:27,229
I haven't in a long time. It's the creation part

487
00:32:27,613 --> 00:32:30,987
that I like. The learning a new language, I've learned

488
00:32:31,027 --> 00:32:33,840
so many languages over the years. That part's not really

489
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,833
interesting to me anymore. And the syntax and all these

490
00:32:36,853 --> 00:32:38,941
kinds of things, those are just... To me, it's just

491
00:32:38,981 --> 00:32:42,190
a little bit of drudgery. So diving into the AI

492
00:32:42,210 --> 00:32:44,897
coding is good from that standpoint because it's like, oh,

493
00:32:44,917 --> 00:32:46,160
it takes a lot of the drudgery out of it.

494
00:32:46,521 --> 00:32:49,148
But then at the same, but it also takes the

495
00:32:49,208 --> 00:32:52,809
creation out of it. And you feel, I feel like

496
00:32:52,850 --> 00:32:55,965
there's a, this happened too fast. We went from, I

497
00:32:56,930 --> 00:33:00,878
went, I personally went from writing. 100% of every piece

498
00:33:00,918 --> 00:33:04,798
of code that goes into Podcast Index and Godcaster and

499
00:33:04,879 --> 00:33:09,681
Freedom Controller and everything else I'm working on. to I

500
00:33:09,722 --> 00:33:15,145
write probably 10% of the code now. by hand. It's

501
00:33:15,721 --> 00:33:20,786
all. The Coding Agent And it happened. Within like two

502
00:33:20,847 --> 00:33:25,464
months. This is a monumental shift. Yeah. It's not something

503
00:33:25,585 --> 00:33:29,845
I was mentally or psychologically prepared for. I think that's

504
00:33:29,965 --> 00:33:31,931
where the grief is coming from because I don't really

505
00:33:31,992 --> 00:33:35,764
know what it means. What just happened? So here's my

506
00:33:35,884 --> 00:33:40,987
analogy, my analog to your story. When I... I was

507
00:33:41,069 --> 00:33:46,608
done doing radio. I mean, probably a little bit before

508
00:33:46,648 --> 00:33:51,408
the mid-90s. And... As you know, my story is that

509
00:33:51,528 --> 00:33:55,205
I got into radio by building my first transmitter and

510
00:33:55,245 --> 00:33:58,419
then building a mixer and, you know, putting two mismatched...

511
00:33:58,427 --> 00:34:03,365
turntables together and coming up with ways to queue up

512
00:34:03,406 --> 00:34:06,015
records which if i ever told you it was kind

513
00:34:06,035 --> 00:34:10,354
of quite genius So we'd have these little small mixers

514
00:34:10,394 --> 00:34:14,234
that were really mixers for guys doing. you know, clubs,

515
00:34:14,536 --> 00:34:18,065
and maybe you had two turntables, you know, two... One

516
00:34:18,126 --> 00:34:22,833
for a cassette deck. and maybe a mic channel. So

517
00:34:22,895 --> 00:34:27,884
we... we put micro switches into the faders so we'd

518
00:34:28,045 --> 00:34:30,659
un we'd open it up So when the fader is

519
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:34,374
down, then the channel is closed and nothing's playing. So

520
00:34:34,414 --> 00:34:36,462
what you want is when you open the fader and

521
00:34:36,502 --> 00:34:39,761
you... You know, you slam it all the way up

522
00:34:39,822 --> 00:34:43,368
you want. So the channel is open at full volume

523
00:34:43,811 --> 00:34:46,262
the same time you want the record to start. So

524
00:34:46,302 --> 00:34:49,012
we would hook the micro switch up to a relay.

525
00:34:49,134 --> 00:34:52,344
So we'd... We would get big relays, you know, the

526
00:34:52,384 --> 00:34:55,842
big ones, big magnet in there. We break off the

527
00:34:55,882 --> 00:34:59,696
plastic cap. And then we'd get our turntable. You put

528
00:34:59,756 --> 00:35:02,446
an old record you don't want anymore on the turntable.

529
00:35:02,787 --> 00:35:06,119
Then we had an oversized slip mat. Remember slip mats?

530
00:35:06,507 --> 00:35:09,864
Yeah. So you get an oversized slip mat. So the

531
00:35:10,046 --> 00:35:13,306
edge of it was running through the relay. And so

532
00:35:13,346 --> 00:35:16,634
when the relay was activated, click, it grabs the slip

533
00:35:16,674 --> 00:35:19,683
mat. and then the record on top of the slip

534
00:35:19,724 --> 00:35:24,684
mat wouldn't move. Until you open the fader, the micro

535
00:35:24,724 --> 00:35:28,456
switch clicks off. Boom. The relay is deactivated. It opens

536
00:35:28,617 --> 00:35:32,250
up. The records start with only like... you know, like

537
00:35:32,592 --> 00:35:35,126
a quarter turn, it would be up to speed and

538
00:35:35,166 --> 00:35:37,519
it would start playing. So you could cue it up.

539
00:35:37,499 --> 00:35:41,756
which later, you know, people may remember that sound. This

540
00:35:41,816 --> 00:35:47,657
is beautifully analog. I love this. Precisely. Cassette decks. So

541
00:35:47,837 --> 00:35:51,175
we would use those for jingles. And so you'd have

542
00:35:51,256 --> 00:35:56,085
maybe 10 jingles on a cassette. And so you'd, you'd,

543
00:35:57,359 --> 00:36:00,958
uh, Pre-fader listening mode. You listen, you have your hand

544
00:36:01,038 --> 00:36:03,571
on the pause button. I'm like, okay, here it comes.

545
00:36:03,632 --> 00:36:06,659
It starts, click. You click it. You click pause, then

546
00:36:06,679 --> 00:36:08,847
you click eject, you put a pencil in and you

547
00:36:09,148 --> 00:36:13,244
would rewind the cassette about half a turn, put it

548
00:36:13,304 --> 00:36:15,794
back in, put on pause, and then when it was

549
00:36:15,854 --> 00:36:17,624
time to play that jingle, you just hit. the pause

550
00:36:17,684 --> 00:36:19,167
button, it would be queued up and ready to go.

551
00:36:19,227 --> 00:36:21,811
This is where I started. This is where I started.

552
00:36:21,831 --> 00:36:23,995
- In a, Nam said, "The fact that you did

553
00:36:24,035 --> 00:36:26,259
all this "and still lost your virginity is quite frankly

554
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:29,946
amazing." - Well, funny enough, when chicks find out you're

555
00:36:29,986 --> 00:36:32,451
that guy on the radio, man, they wanna be in

556
00:36:32,511 --> 00:36:35,416
the studio. - John Holden, baby. - Yeah, John, that's

557
00:36:35,456 --> 00:36:40,732
right, John Holden, exactly. So then later we got. carts,

558
00:36:41,012 --> 00:36:44,778
which was originated from an eight track, the eight track

559
00:36:44,818 --> 00:36:48,464
system. The only difference with it, we would literally buy

560
00:36:48,504 --> 00:36:52,170
old eight tracks up. We'd drill a hole, probably like

561
00:36:52,331 --> 00:36:56,037
a, I'm going to say like a two inch hole

562
00:36:56,057 --> 00:36:58,873
on the bottom of it. So the cart machine, you'd

563
00:36:58,973 --> 00:37:02,918
stick it in front loader, and then the roller wheel

564
00:37:02,958 --> 00:37:06,743
would come up, but not quite hit the tape to

565
00:37:06,783 --> 00:37:11,570
the heads. But when you hit the play button, the

566
00:37:11,610 --> 00:37:15,175
roller would snap against the head, start playing, and it

567
00:37:15,195 --> 00:37:17,578
would start shuttling the tape around. And these things were

568
00:37:17,618 --> 00:37:20,200
just on a loop. And it would stop with the

569
00:37:20,281 --> 00:37:22,638
tone you put on the tape. I mean, literally, if

570
00:37:22,679 --> 00:37:26,148
you wanted to reuse your cart, you had to... Put

571
00:37:26,189 --> 00:37:30,276
it on a big magnet and degauss it. Just wipe

572
00:37:30,337 --> 00:37:33,713
it. Wipe it. Yeah, exactly. So that's where I came

573
00:37:33,836 --> 00:37:38,560
from. And, you know, there was no lights. telling you

574
00:37:38,580 --> 00:37:40,584
the record was over you know you had to kind

575
00:37:40,624 --> 00:37:42,628
of time it or listen if you went to the

576
00:37:42,668 --> 00:37:46,075
can or whatever and mixing it was you know it

577
00:37:46,115 --> 00:37:48,840
was a it was a an art you know like

578
00:37:48,901 --> 00:37:51,005
okay here's it's just at the end of the song

579
00:37:51,125 --> 00:37:53,309
boom i'm gonna hit the throw up the next it

580
00:37:53,350 --> 00:37:56,476
was physical too it's real physical boom and that's why

581
00:37:56,516 --> 00:37:58,872
we'd stand you know i want to energy so i'm

582
00:37:58,932 --> 00:38:01,295
standing and i'm doing all this physical stuff and i'm

583
00:38:01,716 --> 00:38:04,039
and then i don't i only know the intros and

584
00:38:04,139 --> 00:38:06,042
outros of songs i don't know any of the lyrics

585
00:38:06,102 --> 00:38:07,724
in the middle because in the middle of the song

586
00:38:08,105 --> 00:38:10,168
we're not listening to the song we're getting our next

587
00:38:10,248 --> 00:38:13,112
record this is and we're choosing a record take it

588
00:38:13,172 --> 00:38:15,896
out of the sleeve put it on cue it up

589
00:38:15,976 --> 00:38:19,632
okay good boom i'm back okay i got 30 seconds

590
00:38:19,693 --> 00:38:23,279
left. Boom, I'm into the next record. This was a...

591
00:38:23,635 --> 00:38:27,771
thing, you know, you're in the vibe and, and all

592
00:38:27,832 --> 00:38:30,281
kinds of stuff could happen that could, that could jar

593
00:38:30,321 --> 00:38:32,550
you out a bit. But when you're in the, in

594
00:38:32,570 --> 00:38:36,998
the groove was just fantastic. And so The next time

595
00:38:37,018 --> 00:38:40,389
I looked at radio, it was all digital. And that

596
00:38:40,469 --> 00:38:42,976
meant that there were no records. It was all on

597
00:38:43,056 --> 00:38:48,070
hard drive. And you had waveforms. And you literally would

598
00:38:48,230 --> 00:38:50,557
queue up a mix. You didn't do a mix live

599
00:38:50,617 --> 00:38:53,886
anymore. You just put this waveform here, that waveform there.

600
00:38:53,926 --> 00:38:56,366
Okay, let's do it. It's good. I'm done. And it

601
00:38:56,386 --> 00:38:59,655
would do it all automatically. And I hated it. I

602
00:38:59,675 --> 00:39:04,733
mean, this sucks. This is not the art. that I

603
00:39:04,774 --> 00:39:08,179
used to be a part of. Now, it took me...

604
00:39:08,503 --> 00:39:14,545
many years actually before I was doing digital production radio

605
00:39:14,625 --> 00:39:18,619
again, and I got into it. And I'm like, okay.

606
00:39:18,691 --> 00:39:21,759
Now I can focus on other things and I can...

607
00:39:22,083 --> 00:39:25,741
I can get, you know, it's different, but I'm still

608
00:39:25,881 --> 00:39:29,647
able to get joy out of it. But when I

609
00:39:29,707 --> 00:39:32,557
do like I used to do daily source code, you

610
00:39:32,578 --> 00:39:36,532
know, FUBAR Friday, it would be digital, but I wouldn't

611
00:39:36,632 --> 00:39:39,376
do it on a digital machine. you know, that all

612
00:39:39,396 --> 00:39:42,062
the kids are using, I would just have players. I

613
00:39:42,082 --> 00:39:44,888
still use players lined up and I hit them manually.

614
00:39:45,389 --> 00:39:47,473
I don't like the whole mixing it together bit. So

615
00:39:47,513 --> 00:39:50,540
I've, I've kind of created my own IDE, if you

616
00:39:50,580 --> 00:39:55,595
will, uh, for radio, uh, with music. Now the other

617
00:39:55,656 --> 00:40:00,009
analogy is flying. I learned to fly. The Ascendant

618
00:40:00,059 --> 00:40:05,117
It's in a 182RG retractable gear, high-speed prop. It's a

619
00:40:05,217 --> 00:40:08,516
fast plane. with what we call a six-pack. So I

620
00:40:08,556 --> 00:40:14,349
had six dials, you know, altimeter, attitude, speed, critically, your

621
00:40:14,409 --> 00:40:20,139
airspeed, you know, your roll and bank. And so... If

622
00:40:20,179 --> 00:40:23,807
you're doing an approach to an airport on the ILS

623
00:40:23,889 --> 00:40:29,799
instrument landing system, you know you you would literally fly

624
00:40:30,539 --> 00:40:33,072
based upon a chart that you had on your lap,

625
00:40:33,333 --> 00:40:35,884
okay, called the approach plate, because you have to fly

626
00:40:35,925 --> 00:40:39,239
this teardrop to then come down before you can pick

627
00:40:39,260 --> 00:40:42,396
up. the instrument landing system and you'd make that turn

628
00:40:42,436 --> 00:40:45,554
you have to do a standard rate turn and you'd

629
00:40:45,574 --> 00:40:49,949
have to time it. Literally with a stopwatch, which was

630
00:40:50,610 --> 00:40:53,159
on the panel. Because then you would know at a

631
00:40:53,260 --> 00:40:55,367
certain speed. So then you would know that you had

632
00:40:55,949 --> 00:40:58,918
completed that teardrop circle. And you knew it because then

633
00:40:58,938 --> 00:41:01,686
you would see. the needles start to come together because

634
00:41:01,706 --> 00:41:05,255
the instrument landing system has two needles that cross like

635
00:41:05,315 --> 00:41:07,882
a cross. One is, okay, you're on the right direction,

636
00:41:07,923 --> 00:41:09,628
and the other one is you're on the glide path.

637
00:41:09,668 --> 00:41:13,980
You're at the right altitude, and so as the needle...

638
00:41:14,335 --> 00:41:17,264
moves you want to move the aircraft you want to

639
00:41:17,324 --> 00:41:19,648
point the nose down so that you're on that glide

640
00:41:19,710 --> 00:41:22,563
path and then at 300 feet. If you don't break

641
00:41:22,623 --> 00:41:24,331
out of the clouds, you're going to go back up

642
00:41:24,371 --> 00:41:27,364
again and go around. But typically, 300 feet, you break

643
00:41:27,405 --> 00:41:29,735
out of the clouds. There's the runway. You're landing within

644
00:41:29,755 --> 00:41:34,135
20 seconds. Okay. So I converted to a modern aircraft

645
00:41:34,175 --> 00:41:38,704
a few years ago. the Cirrus, it's all glass. And

646
00:41:38,746 --> 00:41:43,568
it freaked me out. I'm like. It only has one

647
00:41:43,610 --> 00:41:48,443
backup airspeed indicator. I'm like, it's like a video game.

648
00:41:48,543 --> 00:41:52,458
I can't do this. I was struggling. And then for

649
00:41:52,498 --> 00:41:57,510
that turn for the ILS. So my instructor said, okay,

650
00:41:57,653 --> 00:41:59,268
and you just follow the thing on the screen. I

651
00:41:59,288 --> 00:42:00,998
said, wait a minute. This is how the kids are

652
00:42:01,038 --> 00:42:03,878
doing. You can do this on a test? Oh, yeah.

653
00:42:04,139 --> 00:42:06,898
Oh, yeah. You just follow the screen like a video

654
00:42:06,938 --> 00:42:09,735
game. And I was like, well, this is no good.

655
00:42:10,059 --> 00:42:13,784
This is not, that's not flying. This is, this is,

656
00:42:13,804 --> 00:42:18,333
this sucks. No. Now that I've converted to that... And

657
00:42:18,733 --> 00:42:21,438
imminent death is always kind of there when you're flying.

658
00:42:21,458 --> 00:42:24,923
I'm like, this is actually better. It's actually pretty good.

659
00:42:25,244 --> 00:42:27,849
But I know that in a pinch, I could figure

660
00:42:27,869 --> 00:42:30,753
stuff out and I could rely on my senses. And,

661
00:42:31,255 --> 00:42:36,846
you know, it does have a... an attitude indicator so

662
00:42:36,907 --> 00:42:39,565
I wouldn't be flying upside down in the clouds if

663
00:42:39,626 --> 00:42:44,362
everything blanked out. I'm just saying, my point being... Hang

664
00:42:44,382 --> 00:42:48,583
in there. You will find your groove and your vibe

665
00:42:48,806 --> 00:42:53,114
in a new way. that I think will maybe even

666
00:42:53,153 --> 00:42:57,034
bring you more creative juices than you ever expected. And

667
00:42:57,074 --> 00:43:00,961
I heard Jeff Bezos. Actually, we played this on... on

668
00:43:01,001 --> 00:43:06,561
no agenda. It was a crazy... Silicon Valley term that

669
00:43:06,601 --> 00:43:11,018
he used. Oh, Lord. Yeah, but in hindsight, because I

670
00:43:11,057 --> 00:43:13,806
laughed at it yesterday, but listen to this. I know

671
00:43:13,846 --> 00:43:17,536
there's a lot of concern that many people have, including

672
00:43:17,577 --> 00:43:20,603
many smart people. that AI is going to make humans

673
00:43:20,644 --> 00:43:23,690
redundant and so on. I totally disagree with this point

674
00:43:23,750 --> 00:43:26,496
of view. And I think, in fact, AI is going

675
00:43:26,516 --> 00:43:29,121
to create a labor shortage because it's going to make

676
00:43:29,181 --> 00:43:32,728
it possible for people to identify more problems. We have

677
00:43:32,748 --> 00:43:35,614
an endless set of things to invent. And we are

678
00:43:35,653 --> 00:43:40,246
only limited. Today, we are limited. not by our imaginations,

679
00:43:40,766 --> 00:43:43,175
but by what we can actually do. I promise you,

680
00:43:43,275 --> 00:43:47,128
every single person in this audience has had an idea.

681
00:43:47,547 --> 00:43:50,309
for a new business or a new product or a

682
00:43:50,389 --> 00:43:54,016
new device that they wish they could manufacture. And that

683
00:43:54,117 --> 00:43:58,442
I just stayed in your head. It went nowhere. And

684
00:43:58,501 --> 00:44:00,639
the reason it stayed in your head and went nowhere

685
00:44:01,003 --> 00:44:03,019
is because it's too hard to do and it wasn't

686
00:44:03,119 --> 00:44:06,345
worth it. And if we can accelerate the dream build

687
00:44:06,405 --> 00:44:09,775
loop, all of the ideas will then become possible. And

688
00:44:09,815 --> 00:44:12,724
then we end up being limited not by our capabilities,

689
00:44:13,184 --> 00:44:18,179
but by our imaginations. So the dream build loop, laughable,

690
00:44:18,199 --> 00:44:25,425
gross. However, this happens to me continuously. I have dream

691
00:44:25,485 --> 00:44:29,853
build loops all the time. And last night I had

692
00:44:29,894 --> 00:44:32,313
an idea for Godcaster. It's kind of irrelevant what it

693
00:44:32,434 --> 00:44:36,224
is. But it almost came to me in a dream.

694
00:44:36,547 --> 00:44:40,788
And today I'm almost done building it. Now. I have

695
00:44:40,809 --> 00:44:43,648
a different relationship to code than you do, but I

696
00:44:43,829 --> 00:44:48,090
think as hokey as it sounds. There's something to what

697
00:44:48,132 --> 00:44:54,628
he's saying about that. To me, that's like kind of

698
00:44:54,688 --> 00:44:57,786
back to that digital radio. I can do more and

699
00:44:57,806 --> 00:45:01,463
I can be creative. other ways that I couldn't. back

700
00:45:01,503 --> 00:45:11,115
in the analog days. To me, the... The difficulty here...

701
00:45:12,336 --> 00:45:19,829
is that The difference, the dream build loop. is not

702
00:45:19,891 --> 00:45:26,896
a loop. It's a straight... It's a path. And the

703
00:45:26,936 --> 00:45:30,971
path may go uphill. It may go around a bunch

704
00:45:31,012 --> 00:45:35,188
of rocks. It may go through deep water. And if

705
00:45:35,230 --> 00:45:40,708
you... And depending on how difficult that is, path is?

706
00:45:41,351 --> 00:45:44,996
may help you determine whether or not it's worth it.

707
00:45:45,672 --> 00:45:49,288
To continue going or to set it aside and do

708
00:45:49,349 --> 00:45:52,545
something different. I agree. I think the loop is lame.

709
00:45:52,644 --> 00:45:56,766
I agree. The dream build path may be better. That's,

710
00:45:56,867 --> 00:46:00,788
to me, that's the dark pattern. of AI is that

711
00:46:00,929 --> 00:46:05,606
it reduces the build friction down so low that you

712
00:46:05,666 --> 00:46:09,059
do start building everything. And the world wasn't meant for

713
00:46:09,159 --> 00:46:12,114
everything to be built. It was only meant for things

714
00:46:12,175 --> 00:46:16,351
to be built that... contributes something to either the people

715
00:46:16,512 --> 00:46:19,409
in it or the world around those people in it

716
00:46:19,489 --> 00:46:23,576
in a positive way. I think because this is the

717
00:46:23,697 --> 00:46:27,260
issue of. the issue we talked about before with like

718
00:46:27,925 --> 00:46:33,172
AI generated podcasts. in And I've got a lot of

719
00:46:33,713 --> 00:46:39,175
thoughts on that right now going, is with this FastCast

720
00:46:39,215 --> 00:46:43,588
thing that came out. The AI-generated pike. When the friction

721
00:46:43,648 --> 00:46:47,599
to build is reduced to almost zero, what you do

722
00:46:47,659 --> 00:46:50,847
is you flood the world. Right, but is it really

723
00:46:50,969 --> 00:46:55,601
flooding the world? I mean, it's just flooding up space

724
00:46:55,862 --> 00:47:00,632
that is... technically cheap it's not like Look, I don't

725
00:47:00,653 --> 00:47:02,637
know a lot of people. There's very few people who

726
00:47:02,697 --> 00:47:06,403
said, I started listening to No Agenda because I was

727
00:47:06,523 --> 00:47:10,090
searching in a podcast app for news with No Agenda

728
00:47:10,230 --> 00:47:13,898
and your show popped up. Maybe one hand I can

729
00:47:13,938 --> 00:47:17,014
count those people. It all comes from somewhere else. It

730
00:47:17,135 --> 00:47:20,885
didn't come from searching in a podcast app. Now. It's

731
00:47:20,985 --> 00:47:24,215
different from YouTube, where YouTube, who are having a really

732
00:47:24,255 --> 00:47:27,806
hard time now trying to suppress the slop because they

733
00:47:27,846 --> 00:47:29,690
have to identify it, and that comes into some of

734
00:47:29,730 --> 00:47:33,380
the podcast stuff we got to talk about. Um, it's

735
00:47:33,601 --> 00:47:36,342
it's you know they have algos that are presenting stuff

736
00:47:36,362 --> 00:47:40,413
to people and now you're fighting a lot more content

737
00:47:40,434 --> 00:47:42,878
that's out there than you were before. But when it

738
00:47:42,938 --> 00:47:46,182
comes to podcasting, good luck. I've always said this is

739
00:47:46,222 --> 00:47:50,088
ephemeral. I don't think this is going to carry on

740
00:47:50,168 --> 00:47:53,052
very long because it's just ultimately not going to work.

741
00:47:53,153 --> 00:47:56,438
People won't find it. Those who do think it'll be

742
00:47:56,538 --> 00:48:00,940
limited, who enjoy. whatever the content is, you know, there's

743
00:48:00,980 --> 00:48:03,720
an audience for it. I listened to one or two.

744
00:48:04,204 --> 00:48:11,449
text-to-speech automated things. It's alright, but it's not the same

745
00:48:11,548 --> 00:48:13,456
as something I'm going to become a part of a

746
00:48:13,596 --> 00:48:16,264
community and enjoy listening to and will talk to other

747
00:48:16,324 --> 00:48:21,686
people about. Yeah, I think you're talking about it in

748
00:48:21,726 --> 00:48:25,630
the context of... projects and you know dream build loop

749
00:48:25,670 --> 00:48:27,623
and that kind of thing and that i think that's

750
00:48:28,172 --> 00:48:34,730
That's the issue is that... For instance... Let's see, I

751
00:48:34,750 --> 00:48:40,229
think search. is Search is the only way. It's the

752
00:48:40,310 --> 00:48:44,857
reason Google is what they are. Search is the only

753
00:48:44,917 --> 00:48:50,089
way the internet even pretends to function. You can't have

754
00:48:50,129 --> 00:48:54,746
an internet without some functional level of search involved. and

755
00:48:55,110 --> 00:49:02,155
the, you know, like for instance. uh, NVIDIA. Mm-hmm. the

756
00:49:02,217 --> 00:49:11,740
DJX Spark. So the DJX Spark. has that community is

757
00:49:11,822 --> 00:49:14,278
building a lot of tools. So they've got a lot

758
00:49:14,318 --> 00:49:16,595
of stuff that they, and of course they're all vibe

759
00:49:16,635 --> 00:49:22,362
coding. And so there's... There's literally dozens of different versions

760
00:49:22,764 --> 00:49:30,490
of... Top. The processor. you know, monitoring software that you

761
00:49:30,590 --> 00:49:33,394
use a lot in Linux and Linux. They've built all

762
00:49:33,454 --> 00:49:35,953
these different clones of Top that are specific to the

763
00:49:36,014 --> 00:49:41,108
DGX Spark. to monitor the unified memory segments and the

764
00:49:41,148 --> 00:49:43,913
Blackwell GPUs and memory and all these kinds of things.

765
00:49:44,335 --> 00:49:47,240
So they're all very specific to this DJI X Spark.

766
00:49:47,802 --> 00:49:49,686
Well, if you go to look, which one are you

767
00:49:49,706 --> 00:49:54,409
going to use? Like, there's dozens. I have no idea.

768
00:49:54,451 --> 00:49:58,838
The MSI. The MSI, of course. Some of them may

769
00:49:58,898 --> 00:50:00,009
even be malicious.

770
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:06,420
and have supply chain hijacking modules. You just don't know.

771
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:10,413
This is the problem. But in the previous time, I

772
00:50:10,452 --> 00:50:14,130
go back to... The You know, you talked about the

773
00:50:14,210 --> 00:50:17,409
old days of DJing and radio and that kind of

774
00:50:17,992 --> 00:50:23,356
thing. the manual nature of all those things contributed something

775
00:50:23,416 --> 00:50:27,588
to the overall quality of the output. You know, it's

776
00:50:27,628 --> 00:50:32,757
going to take, it takes a, it took a... A

777
00:50:32,777 --> 00:50:37,427
DJ in Cleveland to really put Rush on the map.

778
00:50:37,976 --> 00:50:40,896
because she... was just determined she loved this band she

779
00:50:40,916 --> 00:50:43,478
was going to play their stuff on on air And

780
00:50:43,519 --> 00:50:47,764
it was like that. It was such a strong signal

781
00:50:47,846 --> 00:50:52,378
of quality. At that time. And that's what. That's what

782
00:50:52,519 --> 00:50:55,277
code used to be. Yeah. It used to be a

783
00:50:55,438 --> 00:51:00,467
strong quality indicator and now there's no... indicators whatsoever. It's

784
00:51:00,648 --> 00:51:04,706
just noise. Bemrose makes a good point. No agenda art

785
00:51:04,766 --> 00:51:12,128
generator is an excellent example. Where... Excuse me. choke out

786
00:51:12,168 --> 00:51:16,717
the thing oops it's going crazy i didn't mean to

787
00:51:16,878 --> 00:51:20,833
do that um So we'd have people listening to the

788
00:51:20,913 --> 00:51:24,304
show, artists with Photoshop mainly, but some would draw stuff

789
00:51:24,364 --> 00:51:26,952
by hand and scan it. They make album art for

790
00:51:27,032 --> 00:51:28,556
each show and it would be ready for us by

791
00:51:28,617 --> 00:51:32,385
the time we're done. So once the AI generators came

792
00:51:32,445 --> 00:51:36,458
along, people started flooding it with AI art images. And

793
00:51:36,764 --> 00:51:39,460
at this point, I don't think a single... No, that's

794
00:51:39,501 --> 00:51:42,835
not true. Almost every single artist left as in they

795
00:51:42,855 --> 00:51:44,639
don't make art anymore. They may not even listen to

796
00:51:44,659 --> 00:51:47,623
the show. I mean, they got so disappointed. It used

797
00:51:47,643 --> 00:51:50,246
to be a real race. You know, it's like, wow,

798
00:51:50,306 --> 00:51:52,130
you know, I created this and I did it within

799
00:51:52,150 --> 00:51:54,793
30 minutes and was there ready for them. And they

800
00:51:54,813 --> 00:51:58,480
didn't pick my art. But people would still have appreciation

801
00:51:58,539 --> 00:52:00,746
for it. you did. We always discuss the art afterwards.

802
00:52:00,827 --> 00:52:02,172
Oh, we like what you did, but we didn't pick

803
00:52:02,231 --> 00:52:03,998
it for this reason. It was like a review of

804
00:52:04,038 --> 00:52:06,485
the artist's work, which they don't get an honest review

805
00:52:06,527 --> 00:52:08,813
usually in commercial settings. And we gave them an honest

806
00:52:08,853 --> 00:52:13,786
review. So then the AI generators came along. And it

807
00:52:13,827 --> 00:52:18,610
became. It was really, really bad in the beginning. The

808
00:52:18,670 --> 00:52:22,185
whole page would be filled with... orange looking images then

809
00:52:22,225 --> 00:52:25,359
the cartoon models came out and everything looked like a

810
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:30,549
cartoon and it sucked balls And then slowly... we're seeing

811
00:52:30,569 --> 00:52:33,899
two things happen. One, some of the artists who were

812
00:52:33,919 --> 00:52:39,116
OG artists like Blue Acorn and Nessworks, they started figuring

813
00:52:39,216 --> 00:52:43,567
out how to use. this tool and are winning picks.

814
00:52:44,169 --> 00:52:46,033
And then there's a guy who could not do art

815
00:52:46,073 --> 00:52:49,301
at all, Darren O'Neill. He's almost the top guy because

816
00:52:49,702 --> 00:52:53,211
he understands the humor. He understands how to translate a

817
00:52:53,311 --> 00:53:00,289
humorous idea. Into. into his generation model. And what comes

818
00:53:00,430 --> 00:53:04,141
out is often hilarious. The people who are just slapping

819
00:53:04,201 --> 00:53:08,615
away, slopping away, trying to, you know, then uploading stuff.

820
00:53:09,003 --> 00:53:14,144
Eventually they quit because they never get chosen. So... It

821
00:53:14,164 --> 00:53:16,865
was a real bummer for a while. And now it's

822
00:53:17,007 --> 00:53:20,051
kind of coming into a new... a new place. And

823
00:53:20,091 --> 00:53:22,259
from time to time, you'll have someone just upload something

824
00:53:22,299 --> 00:53:26,676
completely hand-drawn, completely handmade. It stands out so beautifully. Like,

825
00:53:26,777 --> 00:53:29,106
boom, you're a winner. Not all of them, but some

826
00:53:29,146 --> 00:53:32,626
of them. Same goes for end of show mixes. Finally,

827
00:53:32,687 --> 00:53:35,241
people are starting to write lyrics to go with their

828
00:53:35,281 --> 00:53:38,796
songs, and they're figuring out how to make Sunot. do

829
00:53:38,857 --> 00:53:42,559
something so it sounds different from every other single AI

830
00:53:42,660 --> 00:53:45,854
slop song out there. So there's a curve, and I've

831
00:53:45,874 --> 00:53:48,606
seen this in accelerated time, and I expect it to

832
00:53:48,646 --> 00:53:50,956
be with everything. I expect the same curve to take

833
00:53:51,016 --> 00:53:59,317
place with all arts and sciences, I guess. There's... I've

834
00:53:59,358 --> 00:54:03,894
been through so many of these cycles. And we both

835
00:54:03,955 --> 00:54:07,107
have. I mean, I started... My first computer was a

836
00:54:07,167 --> 00:54:11,721
Commodore 64 and, you know. in the 80s and when

837
00:54:11,761 --> 00:54:16,105
I was young and if you've been in the... technology,

838
00:54:16,449 --> 00:54:17,887
computer world that long. I've been there. I've been there.

839
00:54:18,009 --> 00:54:21,910
Peek and poke, baby. Yeah, when you've been in it

840
00:54:21,930 --> 00:54:27,019
that long and you've gone from... Loading programs into memory

841
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:33,063
from a cassette tape. And then you're literally trying to...

842
00:54:33,899 --> 00:54:38,228
Get your add-on card to work by changing jumpers on

843
00:54:38,269 --> 00:54:44,678
the board and putting... putting drivers into your system.ini file

844
00:54:44,738 --> 00:54:49,224
and all these. And then you get to a point

845
00:54:49,304 --> 00:54:54,692
in your career where you no longer have servers on-premises,

846
00:54:54,772 --> 00:54:59,418
everything's in the cloud. There's been so many of these

847
00:54:59,498 --> 00:55:05,287
changes. Drum. You get used to just... moving along with

848
00:55:05,348 --> 00:55:08,627
the flow of the way that things... I don't like

849
00:55:08,687 --> 00:55:11,483
using the word progress. I just don't like that term.

850
00:55:13,119 --> 00:55:16,056
It's just things go in a different direction. All right.

851
00:55:16,076 --> 00:55:18,550
Let's move in. Let's move into some podcasting stuff. Cause

852
00:55:18,590 --> 00:55:20,690
we, you know, we've once again, and we. talked about

853
00:55:20,751 --> 00:55:27,383
ourselves for an hour. What else is there? Let me

854
00:55:27,463 --> 00:55:30,663
cover my left eye here for a second. Okay. Do

855
00:55:30,703 --> 00:55:35,209
a little better. Okay. So we've already, so let's just

856
00:55:35,491 --> 00:55:39,556
circle back quickly to the VTT. So we have resolution

857
00:55:39,637 --> 00:55:43,978
now. I think I understand what he's saying. I think

858
00:55:44,038 --> 00:55:47,876
he's saying... You can do whatever you want, but you

859
00:55:47,917 --> 00:55:53,319
support it if you support VTT. Right. That means you

860
00:55:53,380 --> 00:55:57,628
adhere to the spec. I'm down with that. I think

861
00:55:57,811 --> 00:56:00,646
that's fine. I don't know why. It took so long

862
00:56:00,686 --> 00:56:02,744
for me to understand this. I guess it's just a

863
00:56:02,784 --> 00:56:06,002
miscommunication. But I think that's fine, and I think we

864
00:56:06,042 --> 00:56:07,618
could do that with most of these tags that have

865
00:56:07,658 --> 00:56:12,565
multiple formats. I'm going to move us along. Podping.alpha. Stable.

866
00:56:12,947 --> 00:56:19,914
Stable. Five nines. So this. on Got so many irons

867
00:56:19,935 --> 00:56:22,395
in the... fire on the podcast index side the putt

868
00:56:24,319 --> 00:56:32,400
Nathan. GethRide. Just... picked me up by the scruff of

869
00:56:32,460 --> 00:56:34,883
the neck and threw me down a rabbit hole. Wow.

870
00:56:35,024 --> 00:56:38,264
Like... And he had no idea that he was doing

871
00:56:38,305 --> 00:56:47,909
it. He innocently posted about the iTunes. tag, excuse me,

872
00:56:47,991 --> 00:56:52,710
the You can add feeds to the podcast index in

873
00:56:52,770 --> 00:56:57,927
many ways. One of them is through the add. by

874
00:56:57,967 --> 00:57:03,990
iTunes ID endpoint. in the API. And so. If you

875
00:57:04,031 --> 00:57:07,248
have an iTunes ID... that doesn't appear to be in

876
00:57:07,288 --> 00:57:10,771
the index. You can add a feed to the index

877
00:57:11,397 --> 00:57:15,819
by referencing its iTunes ID. using that endpoint. Wait, say

878
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:19,691
that again? So if you know one of the functions

879
00:57:19,732 --> 00:57:22,201
of the index is that's fall back to where you

880
00:57:22,222 --> 00:57:25,182
can do iTunes. You can look, yeah, you can look

881
00:57:25,383 --> 00:57:31,426
up. Yeah. And so if you don't have... Like if

882
00:57:31,466 --> 00:57:34,482
you pull the index and we don't have a feed

883
00:57:34,623 --> 00:57:38,462
either by URL or by iTunes ID. You can add

884
00:57:38,544 --> 00:57:42,351
it. to the index by just referencing its iTunes ID.

885
00:57:43,635 --> 00:57:46,180
and we'll do the backup. No, excuse me, we'll do

886
00:57:46,221 --> 00:57:51,928
the lookup. And yeah, here's thank you, Nathan, the link

887
00:57:52,009 --> 00:57:57,380
master that you are. Let me quote him correctly. When

888
00:57:57,440 --> 00:58:00,337
Podlink looks up a show by its iTunes ID in

889
00:58:00,358 --> 00:58:02,717
the index. returns no results but the feed is already

890
00:58:02,838 --> 00:58:04,754
in the index is there anything you'd like me to

891
00:58:04,794 --> 00:58:12,173
do with that information Sounds pretty straightforward. Yeah. This led

892
00:58:12,213 --> 00:58:16,977
me to a gigantic rabbit hole. Because... I found out

893
00:58:16,998 --> 00:58:21,311
that that... I thought that the index... I thought that

894
00:58:21,331 --> 00:58:23,931
that's already what was happening. That's the way I wanted

895
00:58:23,971 --> 00:58:28,424
it to work. But... The more I looked at that

896
00:58:28,527 --> 00:58:32,674
endpoint, It was a mess. I don't know what I

897
00:58:32,734 --> 00:58:35,247
was thinking when I wrote that thing. It makes no

898
00:58:35,307 --> 00:58:39,151
sense. Whatever it's trying to do, it is not that.

899
00:58:39,763 --> 00:58:44,921
And I can't make. it make any sense. So... I

900
00:58:44,962 --> 00:58:47,091
was like, okay, I'm going to have to rewrite this.

901
00:58:48,151 --> 00:58:55,434
Well, that turned into... A long process because. Then all

902
00:58:55,474 --> 00:59:00,637
of your directories sync. things become You have to think

903
00:59:00,657 --> 00:59:07,539
it. all through. end. What if, so somebody has an

904
00:59:07,620 --> 00:59:12,777
iTunes ID. They add. They reference that in the ad

905
00:59:12,798 --> 00:59:17,069
by iTunes ID end point. So there is the index

906
00:59:17,110 --> 00:59:20,702
says, oh, okay. You've given me an iTunes ID. and

907
00:59:20,803 --> 00:59:23,085
I need to go find the feed URL and add

908
00:59:23,125 --> 00:59:29,921
this to the index. can What? What if it already

909
00:59:30,002 --> 00:59:35,997
has the ID? Right. Okay. Internally, the way we do

910
00:59:36,017 --> 00:59:40,419
it is we have two directories. The podcast index is...

911
00:59:40,399 --> 00:59:43,002
It has an Apple directory internally to it, and it

912
00:59:43,062 --> 00:59:47,379
has its regular directory. Now, we don't scrape Apple for

913
00:59:47,420 --> 00:59:51,207
their stuff. But we just keep it segregated, and then

914
00:59:51,247 --> 00:59:54,821
we just do a table relationship between the feeds table

915
00:59:54,982 --> 00:59:58,343
in the podcast index and the Apple table. So we

916
00:59:58,364 --> 01:00:00,008
just go insert it into the Apple.

917
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:06,106
directory and then we just link it. *Clears throat* So

918
01:00:06,556 --> 01:00:11,094
What if we already have that iTunes ID? Are we

919
01:00:11,114 --> 01:00:14,775
going to look up Apple every time? No, probably shouldn't.

920
01:00:15,804 --> 01:00:20,054
Well, but what if the URL changed? What if they

921
01:00:20,094 --> 01:00:22,304
have a different one than, what if Apple has a

922
01:00:22,344 --> 01:00:24,693
different one than we have the last one? Oh, just

923
01:00:24,733 --> 01:00:27,960
give them the no agenda feed. Every time. Every time.

924
01:00:27,981 --> 01:00:31,733
For every fee. Every time. Every time. Yeah. I want

925
01:00:31,793 --> 01:00:36,108
the Simon the Gardener or whatever from the AI thing.

926
01:00:36,148 --> 01:00:40,146
There you go. That's a good idea. and Cumberbund or

927
01:00:40,186 --> 01:00:42,780
whatever his name was. From inception point AI. Yeah, yeah,

928
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:49,867
and you get no agenda. So... Um... Then you just

929
01:00:49,949 --> 01:00:53,532
have to think all this through. Okay, so we do

930
01:00:53,572 --> 01:00:57,016
have to check every time. Okay, what if you check?

931
01:00:57,724 --> 01:01:02,815
and you get back a different result. Then what? we

932
01:01:02,876 --> 01:01:09,612
have in our apple table. Do we then have to...

933
01:01:10,159 --> 01:01:15,612
Double check. The feed URL that we have and that

934
01:01:15,733 --> 01:01:21,199
Apple has. to make sure that Apple... seems correct because

935
01:01:21,300 --> 01:01:24,416
they can have old stuff in there too. We know

936
01:01:24,516 --> 01:01:29,434
from long experience. that sometimes people don't update their Apple,

937
01:01:29,474 --> 01:01:34,617
their URL in Apple's podcast connect correctly. And so if

938
01:01:34,657 --> 01:01:37,807
we just blindly change it. without checking to make sure

939
01:01:37,849 --> 01:01:42,996
it's right. So this I've just been going round and

940
01:01:43,056 --> 01:01:45,166
round with the logic of this thing, tying myself in

941
01:01:45,226 --> 01:01:49,873
mental knots. But... I'm at the point now where I'm

942
01:01:49,914 --> 01:01:52,775
just going to have to ship something. I don't. Ship

943
01:01:52,835 --> 01:01:59,621
it! Ship it! Because the questions... really have broader ramifications.

944
01:01:59,599 --> 01:02:05,929
about refactoring. a lot of what we're doing. And I'm

945
01:02:05,969 --> 01:02:08,579
not ready to go there right now. So I'm just

946
01:02:08,599 --> 01:02:12,327
going to have to ship something that broadly meets... what

947
01:02:12,347 --> 01:02:15,788
this endpoint is supposed to do and just deal with

948
01:02:15,829 --> 01:02:22,389
the consequences. And once that happens, then next on the

949
01:02:22,449 --> 01:02:28,831
list is Podping.alpha. Yes. You brought up podping.alpha, and that

950
01:02:28,990 --> 01:02:31,458
was my long-winded way of saying it. He's doing the

951
01:02:31,519 --> 01:02:36,092
weave. That's next. That's next. Because I think it's stable.

952
01:02:37,344 --> 01:02:40,782
And I think it's time to... split it out into

953
01:02:40,844 --> 01:02:44,550
the so Right now it's this monolithic thing, so we

954
01:02:44,590 --> 01:02:50,006
need to split it out into a... Podping. Excuse me,

955
01:02:50,027 --> 01:02:56,815
a gossip writer. repo and a gossip listener repo. in

956
01:02:57,179 --> 01:03:03,199
a gossip monitor repo. And the monitor. That term is

957
01:03:03,239 --> 01:03:05,152
a little bit of a misnomer because it's doing, it

958
01:03:05,231 --> 01:03:08,192
is monitoring, but it's also doing management of the swarm.

959
01:03:09,315 --> 01:03:22,626
So it's... Eero. uh uses high power view And it's

960
01:03:22,769 --> 01:03:28,481
prone to... having drift, we've talked about this before, nodes

961
01:03:28,541 --> 01:03:34,025
can drift off to where they're quote, poorly connected. they

962
01:03:34,065 --> 01:03:36,822
can kind of isolate themselves off where they don't have

963
01:03:36,862 --> 01:03:39,338
a good, they don't have more, they only have one

964
01:03:39,438 --> 01:03:46,193
path. to the swarm. Like incels. Insane. Hero incel. It's

965
01:03:46,213 --> 01:03:55,916
like an NSFW Reddit. Yeah. And so... A dangling bastard.

966
01:03:56,239 --> 01:04:03,144
So the monitor... The Podbean Monitor. Watches for those things.

967
01:04:03,467 --> 01:04:07,355
And then... gently reaches out and pulls them back into

968
01:04:07,396 --> 01:04:11,889
the family. How sweet. How sweet. Yeah, it just gives

969
01:04:11,949 --> 01:04:14,862
a little gentle nudge. Come on back, baby. Come on

970
01:04:14,902 --> 01:04:18,195
back to the fan. Come on. Why so cold, sugar?

971
01:04:18,958 --> 01:04:22,148
Come on back. And so, and it does that by

972
01:04:22,329 --> 01:04:26,344
sending, it does that by sending some messages saying, here

973
01:04:26,364 --> 01:04:31,574
is a set of nodes. that you should try to

974
01:04:31,615 --> 01:04:35,396
connect to right now. And that instantly gets it back.

975
01:04:35,880 --> 01:04:40,907
up and running where it's well connected. So that once

976
01:04:40,947 --> 01:04:47,108
that happens. Once we get those repos split out. then

977
01:04:47,528 --> 01:04:55,355
we can bake them directly into the podping.cloud. servers so

978
01:04:55,418 --> 01:05:00,121
that They are riding to Hive and to... gossip at

979
01:05:00,143 --> 01:05:05,764
the same time. So that's the plan. I like it.

980
01:05:06,855 --> 01:05:11,311
Thanks. I'm just waiting until you tell me it's safe

981
01:05:11,351 --> 01:05:13,458
for me to launch a Linode with running one of

982
01:05:13,500 --> 01:05:17,637
these things. Just a little $5 a month. Yeah, totally.

983
01:05:17,657 --> 01:05:21,159
Run it. Yeah, just let it run. I just, right

984
01:05:21,220 --> 01:05:23,233
now, like, ah, I gotta go upgrade and do all

985
01:05:23,273 --> 01:05:24,864
this stuff. It feels like a lot. I just want,

986
01:05:24,885 --> 01:05:28,032
when it's... When it's, uh, when you got an RC.

987
01:05:28,900 --> 01:05:32,876
I really, yeah, okay, RC2, wait for RC2, RC1's brittle.

988
01:05:32,975 --> 01:05:36,389
Gold master. Yeah, that's what I want. Nathan said he's

989
01:05:36,429 --> 01:05:40,619
running a gossip listener as well. Yes, anybody who... and

990
01:05:40,800 --> 01:05:46,315
Eric and Archie's running a bunch. So anybody who wants

991
01:05:46,355 --> 01:05:49,465
to run one, feel free. The more, the better. The

992
01:05:49,525 --> 01:05:56,034
more people that run a gossip listener. the better. the

993
01:05:56,096 --> 01:06:01,550
swarm will operate. The more there are, the more stable

994
01:06:01,612 --> 01:06:04,601
the whole... Pierce Warren becomes. I think the whole idea

995
01:06:04,663 --> 01:06:07,699
is fantastic. Now, can I poison and stuff by, if

996
01:06:07,779 --> 01:06:12,295
I run my... My gossiper and it just starts spouting

997
01:06:12,375 --> 01:06:18,505
off stuff that's incorrect and lies. No. Okay. Because There

998
01:06:18,666 --> 01:06:26,434
are trusted nodes. And the trusted nodes list will initially

999
01:06:26,595 --> 01:06:32,659
just only contain. the five pod ping dot cloud gossip

1000
01:06:32,699 --> 01:06:38,693
writers. In the future, there will be... The code's already

1001
01:06:38,773 --> 01:06:44,202
in there, but. The gossip writers, if somebody else wants

1002
01:06:44,262 --> 01:06:49,224
to run a writer, to push... Podpings out to the

1003
01:06:49,244 --> 01:06:53,235
swarm. You can, but initially you will not be trusted,

1004
01:06:53,295 --> 01:06:58,021
so the nodes in the swarm will... ignore your stuff.

1005
01:06:59,692 --> 01:07:03,536
there is a way to, there's a voting mechanism that

1006
01:07:03,576 --> 01:07:13,856
happens like a plebiscite. Where? Plebiscite. Ooh. We're the... So

1007
01:07:13,878 --> 01:07:17,634
it's like... It's a, yeah, it's a pod, it's a

1008
01:07:17,653 --> 01:07:22,976
podcast. plebiscite where you have all these uh the the

1009
01:07:23,077 --> 01:07:26,920
nodes like if i trust your node And you mark.

1010
01:07:27,532 --> 01:07:32,614
A note is trusted. It propagates. So like the five,

1011
01:07:32,856 --> 01:07:39,293
the five, the pod pain dot cloud. initial riders. If

1012
01:07:39,677 --> 01:07:43,452
somebody else fires one up and we trust that person...

1013
01:07:43,871 --> 01:07:47,259
Let's say that it's you or Nathan or Eric PP

1014
01:07:47,320 --> 01:07:51,784
or Archie or somebody. we can, uh, or, or bus

1015
01:07:51,804 --> 01:07:57,516
route or Apple or anybody else. We can... Mark them

1016
01:07:57,596 --> 01:08:01,903
as trusted on thepodping.com. cloud host. And that will propagate

1017
01:08:01,963 --> 01:08:07,220
and everyone else will inherit that trust. We can vote

1018
01:08:07,300 --> 01:08:11,364
nodes off the island. Yeah, exactly. We love that. Yes,

1019
01:08:11,545 --> 01:08:17,725
yes, yes, yes. Um. So yeah, that's the initial idea.

1020
01:08:17,845 --> 01:08:22,689
And that's already in there, that code word. Like it.

1021
01:08:26,115 --> 01:08:29,659
That's what it's gonna be, so, uh... I hope it

1022
01:08:29,720 --> 01:08:34,863
works. It seems to be. We're depending on it. I've

1023
01:08:35,083 --> 01:08:40,306
already got some stuff that's depending on that. signal so

1024
01:08:41,131 --> 01:08:42,637
uh i love this man i love that we talked

1025
01:08:42,698 --> 01:08:44,988
about a whole bunch of stuff and didn't once talk

1026
01:08:45,047 --> 01:08:52,256
about uh 30 seconds is a play! I could I

1027
01:08:52,277 --> 01:08:54,893
could so care less about that me too I gave

1028
01:08:54,952 --> 01:08:59,114
everybody my idea And no one jumped on it, so

1029
01:08:59,135 --> 01:09:03,711
it's good. What was I hearing? I wrote this down.

1030
01:09:04,547 --> 01:09:09,792
was it That was on, I think it was on.

1031
01:09:10,307 --> 01:09:14,403
Hot News Weekly Review The indie middle class. I hate

1032
01:09:14,502 --> 01:09:18,485
two words I hate. Indie. I hate the indie. Why

1033
01:09:18,506 --> 01:09:20,798
do you hate? Why does that? bother you so much

1034
01:09:20,880 --> 01:09:24,819
because You're a podcaster. There's no such thing as indie.

1035
01:09:25,301 --> 01:09:29,359
That is being a podcaster. You are by definition independent

1036
01:09:29,439 --> 01:09:33,243
if you're a podcaster. So now there's these, this is

1037
01:09:33,304 --> 01:09:36,597
delineate. It's like open RSS. I despise that too. It's

1038
01:09:36,757 --> 01:09:40,384
RSS, not open RSS. It's RSS. Because when you say

1039
01:09:40,423 --> 01:09:43,279
indie podcaster, it means that the other ones who are

1040
01:09:43,319 --> 01:09:46,216
not indie, those are the podcasters. Yeah, something like that.

1041
01:09:46,636 --> 01:09:50,318
Okay, I'm down with that. Well, it was an interesting

1042
01:09:50,359 --> 01:09:56,163
conversation I heard. Yeah, so indie, the indie middle class,

1043
01:09:56,264 --> 01:09:58,877
like, why don't you say indie middle class with one

1044
01:09:58,957 --> 01:10:00,011
leg, okay? Thank you.

1045
01:10:00,028 --> 01:10:02,797
Say that. I'll feel better. Did this conversation happen in

1046
01:10:02,837 --> 01:10:06,050
the super secret WhatsApp group? No, this is on the,

1047
01:10:06,069 --> 01:10:09,582
the, the, the, where was this? Power, a pod news

1048
01:10:09,622 --> 01:10:16,818
power. Uh... which is 5,000 to 25,000 downloads a month.

1049
01:10:17,060 --> 01:10:20,302
That's only 1% to 1.5% of all podcasts. So there

1050
01:10:20,323 --> 01:10:23,117
you are. You were a podcaster, now you're an indie

1051
01:10:23,158 --> 01:10:28,399
podcast, now you're 1%. And they can't survive on CPMs.

1052
01:10:29,108 --> 01:10:32,284
And what I liked about what the outcome of this

1053
01:10:32,587 --> 01:10:35,119
is, is that, yeah, it's. Oh, this was that woman.

1054
01:10:35,956 --> 01:10:42,832
Lush. Right, the... Lush. Yeah, yeah, yeah. um You know,

1055
01:10:42,852 --> 01:10:46,142
instead of selling an audience number. I mean, like this,

1056
01:10:46,346 --> 01:10:49,801
we have... I should probably look that up. How many

1057
01:10:49,861 --> 01:10:53,020
people do you think listened to this board meeting? I

1058
01:10:53,040 --> 01:10:55,938
should look that up. I haven't looked at OP3. Yeah,

1059
01:10:56,501 --> 01:11:00,108
I'm going to look. Let's see. Long time. Take a

1060
01:11:00,128 --> 01:11:01,833
guess. Do you even know what the OP3 link is?

1061
01:11:02,094 --> 01:11:04,119
Yeah. Take a guess. What do you think it is?

1062
01:11:05,724 --> 01:11:09,033
Over what time frame? What are we talking about? Monthly.

1063
01:11:09,134 --> 01:11:11,841
Just monthly, I guess. Like over 30 days or something?

1064
01:11:12,102 --> 01:11:16,702
2,500. Uh, this is interesting. Why can't I find us

1065
01:11:16,742 --> 01:11:19,619
here? Oh, here we go. We're on the second page.

1066
01:11:19,659 --> 01:11:25,128
What the heck is that? Okay. Uh, let's see. 2,500,

1067
01:11:25,673 --> 01:11:33,758
you said? 2141. No, not seven days. 6658. So according

1068
01:11:33,859 --> 01:11:37,551
to, that's May. Okay, so over 30 days we had

1069
01:11:37,572 --> 01:11:44,415
6,700 roughly. Yeah, so according to OP3, our unique audience

1070
01:11:44,696 --> 01:11:49,069
in May was 5,247. So we're right in that indie

1071
01:11:49,109 --> 01:11:52,977
range. Oh, cool. Nice. We're indie. But look at the

1072
01:11:53,077 --> 01:11:55,265
value that we create. Look at the value that is

1073
01:11:55,325 --> 01:11:59,038
running around in this ecosystem of people. We're firmly middle

1074
01:11:59,058 --> 01:12:04,693
class. with one leg of people supporting the project, keeping

1075
01:12:04,753 --> 01:12:07,159
it running, the joy we get for it. I mean,

1076
01:12:07,180 --> 01:12:11,030
this is a hugely successful project and podcast in my

1077
01:12:11,090 --> 01:12:15,763
mind. You know, we're not Rogan. But we don't have

1078
01:12:15,825 --> 01:12:19,912
to be. And so the value that it creates. for

1079
01:12:20,281 --> 01:12:23,759
the people. involved and for you and I personally is

1080
01:12:23,799 --> 01:12:28,894
fantastic. This is a success story. If I remember correctly,

1081
01:12:28,934 --> 01:12:32,608
that lady was all about brokering deals with advertisers. I

1082
01:12:32,628 --> 01:12:36,722
know, but I – They only care about numbers. Right,

1083
01:12:36,762 --> 01:12:40,990
but I have a different takeaway. My takeaway is. This

1084
01:12:41,050 --> 01:12:44,061
is what V for V is. It's not just about

1085
01:12:44,102 --> 01:12:49,882
money. And I think that's hugely underplayed in all podcast

1086
01:12:49,922 --> 01:12:53,500
reporting. It's all about money and seconds and plays and

1087
01:12:53,560 --> 01:13:00,948
CPMs. Who cares? Podcasting. Don't call me an indie. Podcaster.

1088
01:13:01,751 --> 01:13:08,698
See, this is the problem. We already have... controversy because

1089
01:13:09,783 --> 01:13:13,152
yes because Daniel J Lewis says Don't confuse the number

1090
01:13:13,192 --> 01:13:15,562
of downloads of multiple episodes with the number of people.

1091
01:13:15,642 --> 01:13:19,819
Podcasting 2.0 looks to have about 1,800 regular listeners. Whatever.

1092
01:13:21,043 --> 01:13:24,318
See, there's already, it's like the OP3 says you have

1093
01:13:24,338 --> 01:13:31,588
6,600 unique. 52. 5,200 unique listeners. And Daniel's like, no,

1094
01:13:31,608 --> 01:13:35,188
you only have 1,800. There's already controversy. I don't care

1095
01:13:35,248 --> 01:13:40,472
either way. I don't care. This, like... On the- on

1096
01:13:40,493 --> 01:13:44,442
the- Just because it's a thing that we're talking about

1097
01:13:44,503 --> 01:13:50,590
numbers. The- The how long a play is thing is

1098
01:13:50,670 --> 01:13:55,688
meaningless because everything caches, not just web browsers. Web browsers

1099
01:13:55,708 --> 01:13:58,498
aren't the only ones that cache audio and video. All

1100
01:13:58,598 --> 01:14:02,260
decent... apps, cash, audio, and video. Every single one of

1101
01:14:02,340 --> 01:14:05,057
them. You find out very quickly when you write a

1102
01:14:05,078 --> 01:14:09,434
podcast app. that you can't not do it. You have

1103
01:14:09,474 --> 01:14:12,807
to cash a few minutes. Yeah, exactly. At least a

1104
01:14:12,887 --> 01:14:15,115
minute and a half to two or three minutes because...

1105
01:14:15,471 --> 01:14:18,416
When people go in and out of bad network connectivity,

1106
01:14:18,436 --> 01:14:20,424
you have to... to be able to buffer through that.

1107
01:14:20,843 --> 01:14:25,653
and Because that's why. We decided early on that Godcaster

1108
01:14:25,693 --> 01:14:28,782
was going to send... a play button click once per

1109
01:14:28,903 --> 01:14:33,563
user per hour. and a user is defined according to

1110
01:14:33,684 --> 01:14:42,310
what um Um, Benjamin, Dan Benjamin and I. came up

1111
01:14:42,350 --> 01:14:45,169
with a few years ago, the UL ID, the unique

1112
01:14:45,209 --> 01:14:49,701
listener ID. So we generate a UL ID and send

1113
01:14:49,742 --> 01:14:53,925
it with everyone and we deduplicate based on that. This

1114
01:14:54,026 --> 01:14:57,569
is the problem with having only first party data collectors

1115
01:14:57,609 --> 01:15:03,452
like YouTube and Spotify. inside this inside this group driving

1116
01:15:03,512 --> 01:15:06,840
these technical definitions. Yeah, exactly. They can see the difference

1117
01:15:06,900 --> 01:15:10,108
between a 30 millisecond play and a 30 second play,

1118
01:15:10,389 --> 01:15:15,110
but no other podcast apps can. And that's the problem.

1119
01:15:15,412 --> 01:15:19,319
They don't have anybody from the world of podcast of.

1120
01:15:19,359 --> 01:15:23,626
of podcast app developers in this little group. Now why

1121
01:15:23,667 --> 01:15:26,421
would they? It's all BS. Why would they? And they're

1122
01:15:26,461 --> 01:15:31,825
dead to me. I was a pirate radio broadcaster for

1123
01:15:31,865 --> 01:15:34,644
half of my life. He had no, even when I

1124
01:15:34,705 --> 01:15:38,929
was a radio broadcaster. They had no way to really

1125
01:15:38,990 --> 01:15:41,887
know how many people were listening. It's statistics based upon

1126
01:15:41,967 --> 01:15:44,376
people writing down in a diary. Oh yeah, I listened

1127
01:15:44,396 --> 01:15:46,744
to that. I listened to that station. Listen. Oh yeah,

1128
01:15:46,864 --> 01:15:51,066
yeah, sure. It's gotten a little more sophisticated. But that

1129
01:15:51,146 --> 01:15:54,419
never mattered. I mean, it mattered to station managers later.

1130
01:15:54,459 --> 01:15:56,266
What share do we have? Well, we went up a

1131
01:15:56,306 --> 01:16:00,214
tenth of a point. Champagne! You know, okay. I never

1132
01:16:00,275 --> 01:16:02,732
cared. It was the person who came up to me

1133
01:16:02,773 --> 01:16:04,646
in the mall and said, hey, man, I heard your

1134
01:16:04,707 --> 01:16:08,573
show. That was great. It's still that way. Yeah. It's

1135
01:16:08,613 --> 01:16:13,953
still that way. You know, now... With Godcast, it's kind

1136
01:16:13,993 --> 01:16:17,531
of interesting because all those stations, they live off of

1137
01:16:17,611 --> 01:16:22,591
donations. And you know, yeah, okay. Yeah, it's, you can

1138
01:16:22,651 --> 01:16:26,324
do some, it's interesting for programming the station, you know,

1139
01:16:26,364 --> 01:16:29,916
what podcasts that are streamed out, what people listen to,

1140
01:16:30,017 --> 01:16:34,019
what placement in the player, you know, and. But it

1141
01:16:34,080 --> 01:16:37,262
doesn't excite me. What excites me is someone clicked on

1142
01:16:37,342 --> 01:16:39,919
a give button to show that they were interested in

1143
01:16:39,899 --> 01:16:44,494
supporting the station or the programming. And that's all that

1144
01:16:44,534 --> 01:16:46,462
counts with no agenda. It's the same thing. I don't

1145
01:16:46,523 --> 01:16:49,335
care how many people listen. I really don't. People say,

1146
01:16:49,636 --> 01:16:54,771
I'm quitting the show. Okay, whatever. I like when people

1147
01:16:54,831 --> 01:17:04,122
announce that. I couldn't listen anymore. I unsubscribed. Subscribed. My

1148
01:17:04,223 --> 01:17:07,278
nephew the other day sent me this video. And it's

1149
01:17:07,983 --> 01:17:12,073
the Mr. Beast people talking about how they... how they

1150
01:17:12,233 --> 01:17:15,343
in real time watch their metrics. Oh yeah, to fine

1151
01:17:15,403 --> 01:17:19,677
tune what they're doing, absolutely. To fine tune their thumbnail.

1152
01:17:20,018 --> 01:17:26,673
Mm-hmm. They can change the thumbnail on a video. hundred

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01:17:26,773 --> 01:17:29,743
times or more over the lifetime of that video just

1154
01:17:29,924 --> 01:17:33,897
tweaking the thumbnail and watching what it takes to to

1155
01:17:34,038 --> 01:17:38,336
modify the curve of the of the you know feedback

1156
01:17:38,377 --> 01:17:41,972
that they get or the plays Yeah. That is miserable.

1157
01:17:42,494 --> 01:17:45,983
Who wants that noise? No, we don't want that in

1158
01:17:46,003 --> 01:17:51,980
podcasting. That's horrible. Does anybody want that? That's what metric-based,

1159
01:17:52,160 --> 01:17:56,718
number-based... all this stuff work you know that's that's the

1160
01:17:56,778 --> 01:17:59,092
way all this works and we don't nobody wants that

1161
01:17:59,414 --> 01:18:03,148
no No. Here's how it works with no agenda. Hey,

1162
01:18:03,168 --> 01:18:05,807
man, donations are down. Let's complain about it. Yeah, good

1163
01:18:05,868 --> 01:18:09,092
idea. And then let's send out a newsletter with a

1164
01:18:09,173 --> 01:18:12,320
sad puppy. And people go, oh, yeah, that's right, sad

1165
01:18:12,380 --> 01:18:14,205
puppy. Yeah, I got to support those guys. And they

1166
01:18:14,225 --> 01:18:16,731
do it. Sometimes on this show, we don't even read

1167
01:18:16,771 --> 01:18:22,312
donations. Let's do it right now. we forget. Well, we

1168
01:18:22,352 --> 01:18:24,676
have a couple of boosts that have been coming in.

1169
01:18:24,696 --> 01:18:29,464
Let's see. Oh, there's Martin Lindeskog. Wow, thank you. 11,235

1170
01:18:29,705 --> 01:18:34,393
sats coming in from the true fans. Happy Midsummer. Adam,

1171
01:18:34,413 --> 01:18:41,372
have you had matcha sharing? What is that? Virgin Herring

1172
01:18:42,687 --> 01:18:46,740
That's Norwegian. That's not Dutch. I think it's Norwegian. Here's

1173
01:18:46,800 --> 01:18:50,251
a Fibonacci sequence. Okay, you just whipsawed me. 0, 1,

1174
01:18:50,271 --> 01:18:55,916
1, 2, 3, 5. Boostergram. Oh, okay. With 11,235. Oh,

1175
01:18:55,936 --> 01:19:02,071
it's a Fibonacci boost. Okay, gotcha. Thank you. Virgin herring?

1176
01:19:02,619 --> 01:19:06,817
Do they taste different once they've been around the block?

1177
01:19:06,838 --> 01:19:12,170
I think there's something... In Holland, we have... Bye. The

1178
01:19:12,232 --> 01:19:15,608
Dutch New Which means it's the first herring of the

1179
01:19:15,690 --> 01:19:21,630
season. It's really good. And we eat that. They basically,

1180
01:19:21,691 --> 01:19:26,822
they cure it in salt. So for all intents and

1181
01:19:26,842 --> 01:19:32,008
purposes, it's raw. But it's been heated up a bit

1182
01:19:32,049 --> 01:19:33,737
in salt, and you eat it with onions, and you

1183
01:19:33,777 --> 01:19:39,572
hold it by the tail, and just... *laughs* This sounds

1184
01:19:39,593 --> 01:19:41,527
so good. Gross, man. No, knock it till you tried

1185
01:19:41,609 --> 01:19:45,571
it, man. I don't like anything. 79, 22 from a

1186
01:19:45,853 --> 01:19:47,883
salty crayon. Howdy, Dave and Adam was going back to

1187
01:19:47,903 --> 01:19:51,800
episode 68 to 75. Who does that? - A lot

1188
01:19:51,840 --> 01:19:55,051
of good server juice for new people just from 2022

1189
01:19:55,112 --> 01:19:59,446
timeframe about podcasting 2.0 and V4V. Highly recommended people go

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01:19:59,486 --> 01:20:00,008
back

1191
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:02,432
these early discussions. All right. There you go. There's your

1192
01:20:02,472 --> 01:20:07,836
recommendation. There's Dreb Scott with 10,000 sats. Go podcasting. uh

1193
01:20:07,876 --> 01:20:11,180
here's another one that came in from this is lyceum

1194
01:20:11,242 --> 01:20:15,074
again oh okay 1701 Doing a test boost program before

1195
01:20:15,095 --> 01:20:19,055
the live stream. Fascinating how open the podcasting industry is,

1196
01:20:19,095 --> 01:20:22,225
including the friendly company. I've now been podcasting for 20

1197
01:20:22,286 --> 01:20:27,822
years on my first podcast, Ego Netcast, starting on Prodo's

1198
01:20:28,103 --> 01:20:34,720
Solid Vox Philosophical Podcast Network. then blog talk radio and

1199
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after that libsyn for many years and then moving to

1200
01:20:37,813 --> 01:20:40,731
captivate and now for a short period fountain. The next

1201
01:20:40,813 --> 01:20:44,439
home for my podcast will be Beamley. formerly known as

1202
01:20:44,479 --> 01:20:53,983
podcastpage.io, Spaceship 1701 Satoshis. Okay, beam. Uh, Beamley? Just, I

1203
01:20:54,024 --> 01:20:55,975
just gave them a pod ping token, so they should

1204
01:20:56,016 --> 01:21:04,948
be starting pod pings. soon. Nice. Let's see, and... And

1205
01:21:04,967 --> 01:21:11,703
we have a fountain user 940187348888328. Got to change your

1206
01:21:11,802 --> 01:21:15,792
username. With 2,693 sats from fountain. Thank you very much.

1207
01:21:16,273 --> 01:21:18,797
And then a couple of, these will probably show up

1208
01:21:18,878 --> 01:21:22,355
on your list. Eric BP. with a couple of test

1209
01:21:22,395 --> 01:21:29,796
boosts, which is appreciated. All right. We got some PayPal.

1210
01:21:29,877 --> 01:21:33,376
We got Lauren Ball, $24.20. Very nice. Thank you. Appreciate

1211
01:21:33,396 --> 01:21:37,359
you. Thank you. Mitchell Downey. That's probably what his mom

1212
01:21:37,399 --> 01:21:40,119
calls him. $10? Thank you. When she's mad at him.

1213
01:21:40,192 --> 01:21:48,667
Mitchell Downey! Mitchell Robert Downey or whatever his middle name

1214
01:21:48,768 --> 01:21:51,533
is. I can't think of a good middle name for

1215
01:21:51,592 --> 01:21:55,659
Mitch. Robert, that sounds like he's probably it. Christopher Harabaric,

1216
01:21:55,680 --> 01:22:01,069
$10. Thank you, Christopher. Uhhhh... Let's see. We got another

1217
01:22:01,149 --> 01:22:05,826
one here. He said, Damon Kassajak, $15. Thank you. Terry

1218
01:22:05,867 --> 01:22:14,725
Keller, five bucks. Christopher Cowan, $5. Silicon Florist, $10. Thank

1219
01:22:14,746 --> 01:22:17,353
you. Appreciate that. Very appreciated, all of you. These small

1220
01:22:17,413 --> 01:22:21,212
numbers add up. That's one server right there. One crawler.

1221
01:22:22,399 --> 01:22:27,487
Absolutely. We got Derek J. Visker. The best name in

1222
01:22:27,527 --> 01:22:34,006
podcasting, $21. Paul Saltzman, $22.22, like a rock, every single

1223
01:22:34,065 --> 01:22:40,560
month. Thank you. Jeremy Gertz, $5. Michael Hall, $5. And

1224
01:22:40,622 --> 01:22:45,021
50 cents. Jean Liverman, $5. Thank you, Jean. And also,

1225
01:22:45,082 --> 01:22:50,228
Jean, thank you for running your... monitor. He runs, him

1226
01:22:50,268 --> 01:22:53,266
and Archie both run uptime monitors for the index. Oh,

1227
01:22:53,306 --> 01:22:58,015
very helpful. Very helpful. Todd Cochran? May he rest in

1228
01:22:58,095 --> 01:23:04,389
peace. $30. Thank you, Todd. boosting from heaven everybody yeah

1229
01:23:04,851 --> 01:23:08,721
like that If he can boost all the way from

1230
01:23:08,801 --> 01:23:15,231
heaven, what's your excuse? Thank you. What's your excuse? Exactly.

1231
01:23:16,100 --> 01:23:20,016
Uh, Timothy Voice? Ten dollars? So, look at what we

1232
01:23:20,038 --> 01:23:26,243
got. Look at this. Buzzsprout, $1,000. Baller, shot caller, 20-inch

1233
01:23:26,543 --> 01:23:30,493
blades on the Impala. Keeping it alive. Thank you so

1234
01:23:30,574 --> 01:23:34,319
much, boys and girls from Buzzsprout. I truly appreciate that.

1235
01:23:34,399 --> 01:23:40,221
That support is just... Phenomenal. So we got, oh. That's

1236
01:23:40,301 --> 01:23:44,609
it. We got a comic strip blogger. Yes. 24,000. We

1237
01:23:44,668 --> 01:23:48,688
missed him last week. He's like, what happened? What happened?

1238
01:23:48,707 --> 01:23:50,255
I told you. I told you he would be the

1239
01:23:50,716 --> 01:23:55,963
most mad. He was like the string cut off. That

1240
01:23:56,003 --> 01:23:58,451
was the end of the show, bro. We just ended.

1241
01:23:58,490 --> 01:24:01,774
Sorry. I'm going to be on his AI Arch Wizard

1242
01:24:01,814 --> 01:24:05,605
podcast Sunday night. Ah, nice. Yeah, I'm glad you're doing

1243
01:24:05,626 --> 01:24:08,134
that. I really want to do it. It's been a

1244
01:24:08,194 --> 01:24:11,484
little crazy. I'm going to set it up. I got

1245
01:24:11,524 --> 01:24:13,034
to do it. I got to do it. I got

1246
01:24:13,055 --> 01:24:16,573
to put it on my list. Let's see, we got

1247
01:24:17,118 --> 01:24:21,408
Comstreet Bugger, 24,000 sass through fountain. He says. Howdy Dave

1248
01:24:21,428 --> 01:24:27,007
and Adam. Please subscribe to YouTube channel. Wait, YouTube? This

1249
01:24:27,047 --> 01:24:31,999
not podcasting? No. I'm calling a yellow card on that.

1250
01:24:32,387 --> 01:24:36,263
Howdy Dave and Adam. Please subscribe to YouTube channel, youtube.com

1251
01:24:36,606 --> 01:24:41,418
slash... At symbol, Roger Nash. where my pal from Wales,

1252
01:24:41,538 --> 01:24:47,613
Roger Nash, who is Alki, is reviewing... Alki? Alki? Is

1253
01:24:47,673 --> 01:24:53,025
reviewing and talking about beer and stuff. Recently, he added

1254
01:24:53,065 --> 01:24:58,979
AI-generated timestamps, so topic jumping easier. Yo, CSB, AI Arch

1255
01:24:59,000 --> 01:25:02,677
Wizard. All right, CSB. Thank you. Topic jumping through an

1256
01:25:02,778 --> 01:25:08,305
Alki podcast. Sounds exciting. That's it. That's our guys. That's

1257
01:25:08,405 --> 01:25:10,783
it. All right. Well, look at that. With one minute

1258
01:25:10,823 --> 01:25:14,104
and 30 seconds to spare. Oh, well, we got plenty

1259
01:25:14,123 --> 01:25:17,502
of time for another topic. No, I think we're good.

1260
01:25:17,523 --> 01:25:19,492
I think we've covered a lot. What are you doing

1261
01:25:19,532 --> 01:25:23,019
this weekend, brother? You're going to be hanging out? My

1262
01:25:23,078 --> 01:25:27,716
wife is in Canada. - Dave's house! - Come on

1263
01:25:27,818 --> 01:25:33,051
over. Now she's in Prince Edward Island for a conference.

1264
01:25:33,070 --> 01:25:36,199
- Nice. Oh, excellent. So you gotta cook, are you

1265
01:25:36,239 --> 01:25:40,430
gonna actually cook or you're getting pizza? Pizza is the

1266
01:25:40,612 --> 01:25:44,368
most likely outcome of those choices. We have one Chinese

1267
01:25:44,467 --> 01:25:49,087
restaurant in Fredericksburg called Panda. It's not Panda Express, but...

1268
01:25:49,412 --> 01:25:52,797
It's called, I love going there. Is it good or

1269
01:25:52,877 --> 01:25:56,596
is it like cheap? Oh, it's so good. Oh, no.

1270
01:25:56,698 --> 01:26:02,676
It's phenomenal. Yeah, and they're all OG Chinese who have

1271
01:26:02,695 --> 01:26:05,827
lived in Fredericksburg for 25... The restaurant's been here for

1272
01:26:05,868 --> 01:26:10,194
20 years. Oh, wow. Yeah. So is it like a

1273
01:26:11,177 --> 01:26:15,931
full-on Szechuan style? Everything. Oh, yeah. And the whole interior,

1274
01:26:15,992 --> 01:26:21,708
everything. It's crazy. and he doesn't like chinese sushi well

1275
01:26:21,729 --> 01:26:24,493
that's japanese i'm sorry you know this oh yeah please

1276
01:26:24,654 --> 01:26:29,483
don't don't get your people confused it's asian come on

1277
01:26:30,865 --> 01:26:33,791
hey why do they even have driver's licenses that say

1278
01:26:33,871 --> 01:26:36,315
brown hair brown eyes and brown hair come on let's

1279
01:26:36,475 --> 01:26:41,271
uh let's be honest I am very racist. All right,

1280
01:26:41,292 --> 01:26:44,197
brother. Well, you have yourself a good one. Get yourself

1281
01:26:44,297 --> 01:26:46,720
a pizza. Boardroom, thank you very much for being here

1282
01:26:46,761 --> 01:26:48,625
as always. Thank you for being a part of this

1283
01:26:48,725 --> 01:26:52,430
wonderful project. And we look forward to doing it all

1284
01:26:52,490 --> 01:26:55,015
again on Friday next week where we tell you everything

1285
01:26:55,055 --> 01:26:57,418
that's going on in podcasting and whatever else is on

1286
01:26:57,498 --> 01:27:21,012
our mind. listening to Podcasting 2.0. Visit podcastindex.org for more

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01:27:21,033 --> 01:27:26,505
information. Go podcasting! my nuts.