Episode 70: Testing the TAM

1 00:00:00,539 --> 00:00:05,549 podcasting 2.0 for January 21 2022, episode number 70 2 00:00:05,579 --> 00:00:11,999 testing the TAM. end of the week once again, hello developers, 3 00:00:12,509 --> 00:00:17,069 users, accusers. Welcome to the official board meeting of 4 00:00:17,069 --> 00:00:21,059 podcasting 2.0, where we discuss everything that happened the 5 00:00:21,059 --> 00:00:24,239 past week in podcasting to point out the podcast namespace and of 6 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:28,829 course, we're all the genius oozes podcast index dot social. 7 00:00:29,099 --> 00:00:31,829 I'm Adam curry here in the heart of the Texas Hill Country and in 8 00:00:31,829 --> 00:00:35,069 Alabama, the man who has an endpoint for everyone, my friend 9 00:00:35,069 --> 00:00:38,099 on the other end, ladies and gentlemen, Mr. J. 10 00:00:38,130 --> 00:00:41,220 Jones. Developers. 11 00:00:41,759 --> 00:00:42,959 Hello, developers. 12 00:00:45,450 --> 00:00:49,560 It is freezing ass cold in Birmingham, Alabama. 13 00:00:50,220 --> 00:00:51,090 What do you have there? 14 00:00:52,530 --> 00:00:56,430 20 It was 25 this morning. It's up to 28 now 15 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:59,490 Yeah, I don't think we have much better in Texas all of a sudden 16 00:00:59,490 --> 00:01:02,760 that came in what do we have? Yeah, we got 27 here. 17 00:01:03,780 --> 00:01:07,320 It's gonna be it's gonna be like this all week. Yeah, not normal. 18 00:01:07,350 --> 00:01:10,170 You know, the part that's that really sucks is I have my whole 19 00:01:10,170 --> 00:01:14,190 house generator sitting in my driveway on top of the crate, 20 00:01:14,430 --> 00:01:18,420 waiting for the guys to install it. You know, I'm very concerned 21 00:01:18,420 --> 00:01:19,590 about the timing of this. 22 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:22,530 That's what I thought you're gonna say is in true prep, 23 00:01:22,530 --> 00:01:25,380 professionalism, gamma generators. Also w power won't 24 00:01:25,380 --> 00:01:25,830 go out. 25 00:01:26,580 --> 00:01:30,480 Thank you, Dave. That's what I wanted to say. Yes, obviously, I 26 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:33,720 ordered this thing three months ago, it's been a bitch. Just 27 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:34,620 getting it here. 28 00:01:34,950 --> 00:01:38,130 I've got a year of freeze dried food in the garage and we won't 29 00:01:38,130 --> 00:01:39,090 have a pandemic. 30 00:01:40,110 --> 00:01:44,850 Now, that actually, I would read this great article, which is 31 00:01:44,850 --> 00:01:48,150 called Oh, it was it categorized people like me, which I 32 00:01:48,150 --> 00:01:54,090 identified with it as Doomer was it no Doom or optimists? 33 00:01:55,860 --> 00:01:57,660 That is what that is exactly what you 34 00:01:57,660 --> 00:02:00,270 write. It's what I thought, like, oh, yeah, this makes a lot 35 00:02:00,270 --> 00:02:02,700 of sense. identify with this, I gotta send you this article. 36 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:07,080 And, and what it says is, you know, you know, Americans kind 37 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:10,890 of Americans, by definition are pretty good. preppers just 38 00:02:10,890 --> 00:02:15,390 because of the pioneering nature and our history. But, you know, 39 00:02:15,450 --> 00:02:19,530 the people who are prepping with ham radios in bunkers, with the 40 00:02:19,530 --> 00:02:23,610 stored food, and that that's really not the type of 41 00:02:23,610 --> 00:02:26,970 preparation you want to do. You know, you need to know where the 42 00:02:26,970 --> 00:02:30,990 local farmers are, you know, who are your neighbors? Really? You 43 00:02:30,990 --> 00:02:34,650 need to understand self defense. I mean, all of these, like, 44 00:02:34,770 --> 00:02:37,290 getting a dog. I mean, these are, these are the things that 45 00:02:37,290 --> 00:02:39,180 you really might need. Yeah, I 46 00:02:39,180 --> 00:02:41,700 got all that covered. I mean, you get I got the Oh, you got 47 00:02:41,700 --> 00:02:44,430 Texas slim. And I've been Yeah, 48 00:02:44,550 --> 00:02:49,140 I got Yeah. KMC ranchers, I got everybody's all set up. The last 49 00:02:49,140 --> 00:02:53,970 bit is the electricity. No, and I've been I've been looking at 50 00:02:55,440 --> 00:03:00,060 you know, I believe in electricity, you know, just DC 51 00:03:00,060 --> 00:03:02,820 current that you can power stuff with and you know, it's like, 52 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:08,940 but the battery technology for any type of charging scenario 53 00:03:08,940 --> 00:03:12,330 that will last for more than an hour really is inherently 54 00:03:12,330 --> 00:03:15,090 prohibitive, and it's just a pain in the ass. And I've been 55 00:03:15,090 --> 00:03:18,510 looking at, you know, old fashioned batteries, basically a 56 00:03:18,510 --> 00:03:24,720 water tower. You know, we have a little a little solar array that 57 00:03:24,990 --> 00:03:29,010 shoots water up into the tower, and then you use the water 58 00:03:29,010 --> 00:03:34,470 pressure as new as needed to drive a turbine that can power 59 00:03:34,470 --> 00:03:38,550 your house. I've never heard of this. But I mean, you've heard 60 00:03:38,550 --> 00:03:39,450 of hydropower. 61 00:03:40,229 --> 00:03:44,189 Yeah, so this so you're you're pushing the the solar array 62 00:03:44,219 --> 00:03:47,579 Yeah, put the makes enough juice to push the water up into the 63 00:03:47,579 --> 00:03:48,719 tower? It goes 64 00:03:48,719 --> 00:03:51,839 into it trickles it. Yeah, exactly trickles it up there. 65 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:55,920 And it comes back down gravity feeds turn the turbine. 66 00:03:56,220 --> 00:03:58,980 So you basically have a battery. You're storing energy. 67 00:04:00,419 --> 00:04:03,509 It's a mechanical battery. Yes. Exactly. Yeah, 68 00:04:03,509 --> 00:04:06,059 this is the kind of stuff that I'm in this the other way is 69 00:04:06,089 --> 00:04:08,429 have you ever seen those beautiful windmills? The it's 70 00:04:08,429 --> 00:04:12,239 called the air aero motor. It's kind of the aluminum look that 71 00:04:12,239 --> 00:04:15,689 you see on farmlands all over the country with a weather vane 72 00:04:15,689 --> 00:04:18,689 yeah with the weather. So that's another way you can pump the 73 00:04:18,689 --> 00:04:19,949 water up into the tower. 74 00:04:20,970 --> 00:04:23,730 How much did the like what are those set you back like that? 75 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:27,120 That thing? Is that like 100 grand or is it Oh no. 76 00:04:27,150 --> 00:04:31,650 What one of the one of those air motors? Yeah, yeah, this thing? 77 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:35,910 Oh, no, I priced that. And I think it's a couple grand. Let 78 00:04:35,910 --> 00:04:39,030 me see if that you know, it depends on how big you want it 79 00:04:39,030 --> 00:04:44,190 to be. Yeah, but they're everywhere. I'd have to look at 80 00:04:44,190 --> 00:04:49,590 it. Air air motor or some crap like that has a weird here. Air 81 00:04:49,620 --> 00:04:53,550 it was resolved in New Mexico that they tend they seem to be a 82 00:04:53,550 --> 00:04:56,220 lot of those in New Mexico. Yeah, are driving through there 83 00:04:56,220 --> 00:04:59,550 a couple years ago. There's no wind here in Alabama. That's 84 00:04:59,580 --> 00:05:01,680 available. Like dependability, sir. 85 00:05:02,010 --> 00:05:05,280 Oh, well, we got plenty of wind out here. Let me see order 86 00:05:05,280 --> 00:05:07,830 yours. Okay, let me just take just since we're since we're 87 00:05:07,830 --> 00:05:10,770 doing it, let me see if I can find a price for you. Yeah. 88 00:05:11,730 --> 00:05:15,060 Yeah, complete windmill 3700 89 00:05:16,140 --> 00:05:19,440 Oh, that's not bad. And then of course, only what a what a solar 90 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:20,220 array with set up. 91 00:05:20,220 --> 00:05:22,020 And then you have then of course, you can go crazy with 92 00:05:22,020 --> 00:05:24,360 your tower, how high you want that? Obviously, 93 00:05:25,109 --> 00:05:28,559 the Alabama Power our power company has they've, they've 94 00:05:28,559 --> 00:05:32,189 made sure that none of these schemes actually work because 95 00:05:32,189 --> 00:05:35,489 they charge they charge you a surcharge. 96 00:05:35,700 --> 00:05:38,940 Yeah, that's what California is doing now. Yeah, it used to be 97 00:05:38,940 --> 00:05:41,520 you could sell your energy back to the grid. Now they're taxing 98 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:43,530 people because they have too much energy. 99 00:05:44,610 --> 00:05:45,780 That's the way it is here. 100 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:51,570 What a scam they really scammed everybody on that is horrible. 101 00:05:51,870 --> 00:05:54,750 Or it's the same scam as the electric cars, you know, ever 102 00:05:54,750 --> 00:05:57,690 get everybody to go electric car for years and years and years. 103 00:05:57,690 --> 00:06:01,140 And then, and then all of a sudden, shocker. You realize 104 00:06:01,140 --> 00:06:05,280 you're not getting enough tax revenue from gasoline. So 105 00:06:05,820 --> 00:06:11,100 let's tax the EVS tax levy, shocker. Hey, man, why did you 106 00:06:11,100 --> 00:06:13,950 guys just print it? It seems to be so much easier. And it's 107 00:06:13,950 --> 00:06:17,160 working so well. It's working. So, you know, there's two things 108 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:20,760 I want to talk about, first of all, just the realization, I had 109 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:23,790 it just the other day that when I was in the 70s, like earlier, 110 00:06:23,790 --> 00:06:30,690 like 7172, I remember my parents talking about inflation. But 111 00:06:30,690 --> 00:06:35,310 they didn't talk about it the way we talk about it today. So 112 00:06:35,310 --> 00:06:38,310 today, we say Oh, it's 7% inflation beef is more 113 00:06:38,310 --> 00:06:41,580 expensive. And you know, and the beef is doubled and gas is 114 00:06:41,580 --> 00:06:44,370 expensive. And you know, it's based on the consumer price 115 00:06:44,370 --> 00:06:47,550 index. But, but that's what we consider inflation is consumer 116 00:06:47,550 --> 00:06:52,770 prices going up. But back in the day, this was after, you know, 117 00:06:52,770 --> 00:06:55,500 of course, we were 40 years or 50 years into the Federal 118 00:06:55,500 --> 00:06:58,950 Reserve Act. And, and the idea that we were off the gold 119 00:06:58,950 --> 00:07:03,390 standard. And inflation literally meant that the Federal 120 00:07:03,390 --> 00:07:08,220 Reserve and the Treasury would be creating about 2% More money 121 00:07:08,250 --> 00:07:10,470 every year. That's what that's what it meant. And everyone 122 00:07:10,470 --> 00:07:13,470 understood that. And everyone was always concerned about 123 00:07:13,470 --> 00:07:17,250 inflation, not concerned about the prices rising, because that 124 00:07:17,250 --> 00:07:20,700 would be the actual effect of inflating the money supply, 125 00:07:20,790 --> 00:07:26,310 inflation. And somewhere along the lines, we got psi opt into 126 00:07:26,310 --> 00:07:29,820 believing it's something else. And then you look at the money 127 00:07:29,820 --> 00:07:35,400 supply of the US dollar 40% was created in the last 18 months. 128 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:40,470 Yeah, yeah, it's so you know, people don't I don't think a lot 129 00:07:40,470 --> 00:07:43,560 of people stop to think about what inflation does. And there's 130 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:46,290 a lot of good information about this within the Austrian world 131 00:07:46,530 --> 00:07:52,170 is what inflation what inflation has, is not simply rate rising 132 00:07:52,170 --> 00:07:55,740 prices because of a glut of money. That's, that's just the 133 00:07:55,740 --> 00:08:00,420 technical. Like, that's how it happens. That's the mechanism. 134 00:08:00,690 --> 00:08:05,610 But then the effect it has is devastating on on on an economy 135 00:08:05,610 --> 00:08:09,720 and on a at a personal level level. Yeah. Cuz what happens is 136 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:14,160 you it for when you have inflation that outpaces savings 137 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:20,040 in any way or wage increases wages. Yeah, it forces each 138 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:26,700 person to take more risk in order to get in order to keep 139 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:31,170 pace. Yeah, because you know, you have to save, but you can't 140 00:08:31,170 --> 00:08:35,070 just simply save you have to save in ever increasingly risky 141 00:08:35,070 --> 00:08:35,640 ways. 142 00:08:35,670 --> 00:08:41,190 Yeah, like so you can crypto. That's where we're at now. 143 00:08:41,610 --> 00:08:46,350 You got, you know, a 88 year old grandmas who are having to do or 144 00:08:46,350 --> 00:08:50,460 having to watch the stock market. Yeah. And that's because 145 00:08:50,460 --> 00:08:53,640 of inflation. I mean, Grandma should not have to worry about 146 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:56,700 the stock market, she should be able to just have put her money 147 00:08:56,700 --> 00:08:59,580 in the bank for all these years and have something just to 148 00:08:59,730 --> 00:09:00,180 retire. 149 00:09:00,180 --> 00:09:03,540 Yeah, remember certificate of deposit? Yeah, those. 150 00:09:04,560 --> 00:09:06,060 Those are cute. But 151 00:09:06,060 --> 00:09:08,400 But that, of course, is the follow on effect from cheap 152 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:11,400 money, etc. And then you know, that cheap money pushing up 153 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:13,980 stocks, and then you what you're seeing now is you're seeing that 154 00:09:13,980 --> 00:09:17,550 start to unwind, because the system is in trouble anyway. So 155 00:09:17,550 --> 00:09:21,270 I just wanted to point out that it's good for everybody, I 156 00:09:21,270 --> 00:09:24,990 think, to think from time to time about what inflation really 157 00:09:24,990 --> 00:09:28,470 means and not just, you know, this, what it results in, 158 00:09:28,860 --> 00:09:30,900 but the smartest people in the world. 159 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:35,760 And the other one was this, the news about Netflix and I think 160 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:39,570 that will affect podcasting to a significant degree. So I want to 161 00:09:39,570 --> 00:09:42,180 bring a get hammered the other day their stock was down like 162 00:09:42,180 --> 00:09:43,500 20% Yeah. 163 00:09:43,710 --> 00:09:49,470 24 this morning. Oh my gosh. And the reason is, they poured 164 00:09:49,560 --> 00:09:54,750 billions of dollars. I think it might have been 5020 or $25 165 00:09:54,750 --> 00:09:58,380 billion last year into content. And they had of course they had 166 00:09:58,380 --> 00:10:03,660 hits Bridger Too many hits there. As I've always said, when 167 00:10:03,660 --> 00:10:06,000 you have a network, you're in a hits based business, you got to 168 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:09,630 have a lot of poop for people to kind of blow through until you 169 00:10:09,630 --> 00:10:12,060 get your next hit. This is what it is. I've run networks, it's 170 00:10:12,060 --> 00:10:15,540 very hard to do this in their prospectus, poop poop. Oh, yeah, 171 00:10:15,540 --> 00:10:18,180 no, we have this just right there, it says one of our risk 172 00:10:18,180 --> 00:10:21,270 is we will have to make some poopoo or, or buy poop. 173 00:10:21,750 --> 00:10:24,720 Now, there's plenty of poop on Netflix that scrolled it. But 174 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:25,200 what did 175 00:10:25,680 --> 00:10:32,550 what didn't carry over is the increase in users into this into 176 00:10:32,550 --> 00:10:35,130 this first quarter from last quarter. And of course, you 177 00:10:35,130 --> 00:10:38,820 know, part of this has to do with people thinking differently 178 00:10:38,820 --> 00:10:41,940 about their lives in general, but you know, maybe not having 179 00:10:41,940 --> 00:10:45,750 as much home time, etc. But it really freaked the market out. 180 00:10:45,750 --> 00:10:51,480 And what you'll hear everyone talk about is the TAM. Ta M, and 181 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:57,000 the TAM is the total addressable market. And so, so they're 182 00:10:57,000 --> 00:11:00,960 looking at the entire market for people who are interested in 183 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:06,270 streaming services, and it looks saturated. It looks like okay, 184 00:11:06,270 --> 00:11:10,080 you know, and, you know, we'll see what the fallout will be 185 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:12,480 from that, because some companies will not give a shit 186 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:15,150 at all. But you know, I think Disney is also banking on it. 187 00:11:15,990 --> 00:11:19,950 You know, Disney has less poop, you know, they have evergreen 188 00:11:19,950 --> 00:11:23,190 poop, which the kids love, you know, everyone loves and you 189 00:11:23,190 --> 00:11:27,090 know, and they do have some some massive franchises. But I think 190 00:11:27,090 --> 00:11:33,660 what this will result in is far less podcast deals to try and 191 00:11:33,690 --> 00:11:37,950 you know, this is the business model of networks and the hits 192 00:11:37,950 --> 00:11:40,830 business, is you sign a whole bunch of shows, and then you 193 00:11:40,830 --> 00:11:43,140 find the one hit and it's going to end you're going to turn it 194 00:11:43,140 --> 00:11:46,140 into a TV show. I think these days may be numbered. 195 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:52,380 Yeah. Yeah. That's, that's completely rational at that 196 00:11:52,380 --> 00:11:54,660 think that makes a whole lot of sense. Because that number, 197 00:11:54,930 --> 00:11:57,390 that's what I've been thinking about. Everything has become 198 00:11:57,390 --> 00:12:00,840 about growth. And that's, again, another effect of inflation, 199 00:12:00,870 --> 00:12:04,950 everything, every industry is growth, growth, growth. And so 200 00:12:04,980 --> 00:12:10,860 it like what happens when you run up against that? That wall 201 00:12:10,890 --> 00:12:15,840 of market saturation, where you literally can't grow anymore? 202 00:12:16,410 --> 00:12:18,420 And who knows where that is? That's a magic number that 203 00:12:18,420 --> 00:12:22,080 nobody knows for every for each product. Nobody understands what 204 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:26,940 that number is going to be. I I'm sorry. No, I was just saying 205 00:12:26,940 --> 00:12:29,550 what? What happens? I don't really know what happens. 206 00:12:29,550 --> 00:12:33,060 Everything just seems like Netflix seems to just take a 207 00:12:33,060 --> 00:12:36,630 hard U turn and go straight back down. Yeah, 208 00:12:36,660 --> 00:12:40,440 because there's no growth. That's the problem. If there's 209 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:44,460 no growth, then then there's no interest in holding that stock. 210 00:12:44,460 --> 00:12:48,510 And, as I've maintained before, you just look at the numbers in 211 00:12:48,630 --> 00:12:52,470 my mind, it's a Ponzi scheme. You keep pouring billions of 212 00:12:52,470 --> 00:12:55,920 dollars. I mean, they do $8 billion, a quarter or something, 213 00:12:55,920 --> 00:13:00,810 but they spend out spend on creating poop. Yeah, and this 214 00:13:00,810 --> 00:13:03,270 is, and this was, this is part of the beauty of the kind of 215 00:13:03,270 --> 00:13:07,380 the, I would say, a lot of what's happening with people 216 00:13:07,380 --> 00:13:10,530 signing podcasts is oh, you know, this could be one of these 217 00:13:10,530 --> 00:13:12,570 could be a hit one of these could be a TV show. And there's 218 00:13:12,570 --> 00:13:17,430 been many examples of that. And now that's going to decelerate, 219 00:13:17,430 --> 00:13:18,750 there's no doubt about it. 220 00:13:19,770 --> 00:13:24,660 Okay, so let's just, I'm gonna dig into this for one for one 221 00:13:24,660 --> 00:13:27,780 minute. So what about, let's just put a reality on it, let's 222 00:13:27,780 --> 00:13:34,470 just say, Spotify. They really, to me, it looks like they have 223 00:13:34,470 --> 00:13:40,860 essentially, Joe Rogan is the cash cow call her daddy is? I 224 00:13:40,860 --> 00:13:44,580 don't know something. And I don't know if we have numbers on 225 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:48,210 on that show or not whether it was a deal that dude, they don't 226 00:13:48,210 --> 00:13:52,080 even give numbers on podcasting income. It's insignificant at 227 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:55,200 this point. I don't think Joe Rogan is a cash cow, either. 228 00:13:55,830 --> 00:13:58,920 For that, see, I'm thinking about shows that are just simply 229 00:13:58,920 --> 00:13:59,670 profitable. 230 00:14:01,050 --> 00:14:05,610 Yeah, well, he's profitable from one from one way, specifically, 231 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:09,810 is what is it? What is the what is the acquisition cost of a 232 00:14:10,350 --> 00:14:15,720 user? And so if, if the 100 million dollar number is right, 233 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:17,880 I don't know, it's never really been confirmed, it's just kind 234 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:23,910 of accepted, then that would be $10 a user, because they claim 235 00:14:23,910 --> 00:14:27,270 they have 11 million people who listen to the Joe Rogan show. So 236 00:14:27,270 --> 00:14:30,720 I'll throw out a million and just keep it at 10. So cost him 237 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:36,540 10 bucks to get to get 10 million users per user. And that 238 00:14:36,540 --> 00:14:43,620 user theoretically pays $5 per month or more, either in in 239 00:14:43,620 --> 00:14:46,260 subscription fee or in advertising revenue. 240 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:53,730 But point being that if you have if you're that top heavy, and 241 00:14:53,730 --> 00:14:58,050 you have one, essentially one hit, or maybe one and a half hit 242 00:14:58,050 --> 00:14:58,260 stop, 243 00:14:58,260 --> 00:15:00,300 they have one I think it's just I think it's wrong. And I don't 244 00:15:00,300 --> 00:15:03,330 think anything else is considered a hit. What if 245 00:15:03,810 --> 00:15:07,170 I mean if Rogan, that's everybody's everybody seems to 246 00:15:07,170 --> 00:15:12,990 be befuddled by the fact that even the 270 scientists, quote 247 00:15:12,990 --> 00:15:17,100 unquote, that wrote a letter hasn't had an effect. Right? You 248 00:15:17,100 --> 00:15:22,380 know, that's PBS economics. They can't have an effect. If they 249 00:15:22,380 --> 00:15:26,790 were to do anything with Rogan. That's it. It's game over for 250 00:15:26,790 --> 00:15:29,160 the podcast. Oh, yeah. Oh, yes. Oh, yeah. 251 00:15:29,190 --> 00:15:32,130 Then Then it'll be it'll be it'll be it'll close down. It'll 252 00:15:32,130 --> 00:15:33,660 be over right away. You're correct. And 253 00:15:33,660 --> 00:15:37,530 the same thing worries me on the non hit side when it comes to 254 00:15:37,530 --> 00:15:40,890 just the regular podcast advertising. Because every month 255 00:15:40,890 --> 00:15:45,900 I look at that, at that chart of the biggest ad spends in all at 256 00:15:45,900 --> 00:15:49,110 the topic and you do that every Monday. You do that every time 257 00:15:49,110 --> 00:15:49,950 James publishes do 258 00:15:49,950 --> 00:15:56,130 you put on assless chaps and beat yourself while you do? I 259 00:15:56,130 --> 00:15:58,230 don't know why I said that. Dave, I'm sorry. That was 260 00:15:58,230 --> 00:15:58,920 inappropriate. 261 00:15:59,879 --> 00:16:07,259 I'm surprised you knew I had so yeah, let me better help. is the 262 00:16:07,259 --> 00:16:11,999 number one advertiser every time and I'm like, Okay, if this is 263 00:16:11,999 --> 00:16:16,289 this thing goes belly up. It's game over to me like it's just 264 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:20,820 what is better? Is that a mental health to health app app? Yeah. 265 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:24,420 Do you know Do you know how much money companies like that make? 266 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:31,080 My buddy was asked to be CEO of mindful I think mindful is 267 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:32,130 another one of these apps on 268 00:16:32,130 --> 00:16:33,510 this are my Yeah 269 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:38,580 $2 billion a quarter $2 billion a quarter in revenue. 270 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:41,310 How much profit though? No, oh, 271 00:16:41,310 --> 00:16:44,130 it's profitable. Oh, it's profitable. Yeah, okay, cuz 272 00:16:44,130 --> 00:16:46,290 you're just it's just people people and technology and a 273 00:16:46,290 --> 00:16:47,820 little bit of technology to connect them 274 00:16:48,450 --> 00:16:50,670 I bet what they did was they figured out that there were so 275 00:16:50,670 --> 00:16:56,010 many people coming out of college with psychology degrees 276 00:16:56,340 --> 00:16:59,580 that had no prospects for a job that just funnel them all into 277 00:16:59,580 --> 00:17:01,110 this app and pay him nothing and 278 00:17:01,950 --> 00:17:07,260 it's worse than that. You know, this anti work thing is being 279 00:17:07,260 --> 00:17:10,140 pushed everywhere it may even be them doing that who the hell 280 00:17:10,140 --> 00:17:14,010 knows but this healing communities and all this kind of 281 00:17:14,010 --> 00:17:16,410 stuff oh yeah there's there's a lot going on. People are 282 00:17:16,410 --> 00:17:18,060 convinced they're very very troubled 283 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:31,950 Yes, hey, where are we with the with everything this week? I got 284 00:17:31,950 --> 00:17:34,620 nothing on the list which means I'm pretty happy 285 00:17:35,850 --> 00:17:38,040 Oh, I'm a disaster over here. I got Yeah, well 286 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:40,050 you got like real work stuff. 287 00:17:40,410 --> 00:17:44,250 No, I'm I mean just on the on my prep side I've got for the first 288 00:17:44,250 --> 00:17:49,770 time in six in 70 episodes I do not have my notes written out 289 00:17:49,770 --> 00:17:52,440 beforehand and they're actually list like I usually list them 290 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:56,370 out on a write it out on legal pad on legal pad and it's 291 00:17:56,370 --> 00:18:00,270 instead of spread out over like four different pieces of paper 292 00:18:00,270 --> 00:18:03,750 and another pad but because we get I got so much to talk about. 293 00:18:03,930 --> 00:18:11,730 I mean, the this week we had another ABS started another 294 00:18:11,730 --> 00:18:19,440 purge of Spreaker stuff to match the anchor stuff and I don't 295 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:21,660 even think we talked about the anchor purge last week. 296 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:25,440 No we didn't and and along with that also comes the breakage of 297 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:28,710 their M for a files I think which I was reading about Marco 298 00:18:28,710 --> 00:18:29,010 was 299 00:18:30,300 --> 00:18:35,100 an anchor pretty happy about that. Well, this the whole I 300 00:18:35,100 --> 00:18:38,550 love this though, because this this is confirmation of my 301 00:18:38,550 --> 00:18:44,490 theory that Spotify wants to ditch anchor as a podcast 302 00:18:44,490 --> 00:18:50,760 platform. It's it's a it seems like a money suck. It's it's 303 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:55,290 not. It is not I don't think that they even like it anymore. 304 00:18:55,290 --> 00:19:00,510 I think the getting rid of RSS feeds as the default was the 305 00:19:00,510 --> 00:19:06,600 first step. And each step along the way can they make one of 306 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:11,520 these moves, confirms that anchor is on Anchor is just a 307 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:16,320 dead man walking, I don't think it's a long term viable option 308 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:19,590 for them anymore. And I think they want they would they would 309 00:19:19,590 --> 00:19:22,800 love to just see it disappear. They can't they really can't at 310 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:27,030 this moment. But they can make it as unattractive as possible 311 00:19:27,030 --> 00:19:30,810 so that they continue to draw less and less interest in the 312 00:19:30,810 --> 00:19:31,290 platform. 313 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:34,020 Was this not one day they'll kill it? Was this not there? 314 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:38,250 They're on ramp into podcasting direct into Spotify. That was 315 00:19:38,250 --> 00:19:39,690 not the the concept there. 316 00:19:40,500 --> 00:19:44,130 Well, the original concept Yes, yes that that was the concept. 317 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:49,350 But but but anchor came out of social audio. And that was the 318 00:19:49,350 --> 00:19:53,130 previous thing was that you could like have a social network 319 00:19:53,130 --> 00:19:54,720 based on audio snippets. 320 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:57,450 Oh, gosh. I mean, look, 321 00:19:57,570 --> 00:20:01,080 do you remember that? Yeah. That's where and they all they 322 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:06,600 did was add RSS feeds to that guy or podcast. That's what you 323 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:10,950 have so much garbage on there like a typical on about that. A 324 00:20:10,950 --> 00:20:15,300 typical unlistenable podcast that got purged two weeks ago. 325 00:20:15,300 --> 00:20:15,390 Do 326 00:20:15,390 --> 00:20:17,400 you have an example? Did you bring one today? 327 00:20:18,449 --> 00:20:21,959 I had so many examples and I did not bring any but like one of 328 00:20:21,959 --> 00:20:24,689 them was I posted some on the mastodon one of them was just 329 00:20:24,689 --> 00:20:30,119 like I did 15 seconds of a guy talking about poop Wait a minute 330 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:31,529 background soundtrack. 331 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:38,280 I have to get not so you purge a poop cast? That's I don't know 332 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:40,560 Dave. I'm I'm questioning your choices here. 333 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:45,030 It was like it was like 15 seconds of a Gmail. Hey, this is 334 00:20:45,030 --> 00:20:47,700 my first podcast and Yeah, 335 00:20:47,730 --> 00:20:51,060 hold on. I gotta find this man. Where do you when did you post 336 00:20:51,060 --> 00:20:52,620 this? I'm looking for it now. 337 00:20:52,620 --> 00:20:55,920 I don't know a couple of weeks ago. Is the poop is the poop 338 00:20:55,920 --> 00:21:02,250 cast. Yeah, no, it was it was fantastic. But it was it was 339 00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:05,460 example after example, after example of that kind of stuff. 340 00:21:05,730 --> 00:21:10,230 Some like a 12 year old girl being like we go. Oh, this is 341 00:21:10,230 --> 00:21:11,520 cool. And that was it. 342 00:21:11,670 --> 00:21:15,300 Hold on. Listen out what I feel. I owe you go play the trailer. 343 00:21:15,510 --> 00:21:22,830 Alright. Just slap 344 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:32,700 Okay. That's it. That's the entire podcast. But that's not 345 00:21:32,700 --> 00:21:36,090 the poop cast. I don't know where the poop went. There was a 346 00:21:36,090 --> 00:21:39,330 bunch of poop ones. One of them had a poop emoji in the title. 347 00:21:40,740 --> 00:21:45,540 Yeah, why do people do that? Oh, no, I know. I'll do a poop cat. 348 00:21:45,540 --> 00:21:50,040 Actually, I know CRISPR shears, was one of the OG podcasters key 349 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:53,550 did the poop cast back in the day. This was when we were now. 350 00:21:53,610 --> 00:21:56,580 So podcasting started a little bit of lore for you. And then I 351 00:21:56,580 --> 00:21:59,370 want to bring our guests in who's thinking what the hell 352 00:21:59,370 --> 00:22:00,780 that I join up for here. 353 00:22:01,140 --> 00:22:02,460 He's like, I'm on the wrong path. 354 00:22:03,150 --> 00:22:08,850 It's this thing on this was the days when we were you know, we 355 00:22:08,850 --> 00:22:11,190 didn't really have studios or equipment. You know, I was 356 00:22:11,190 --> 00:22:14,430 building some stuff and trying to figure it all out. But I was 357 00:22:14,430 --> 00:22:18,210 doing sound sound seeing tours I called them I'd walk around with 358 00:22:18,210 --> 00:22:21,060 binaural mics and you know, just different stuff a little 359 00:22:21,060 --> 00:22:25,110 different from your traditional radio. I'd go flying and and 360 00:22:25,110 --> 00:22:27,600 people doing different types of things. And crisper sheers did 361 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:33,870 the poop cast and and he would literally talk about his poop. 362 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:37,680 And at one point, and this is what I knew podcasting would 363 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:42,450 take off. And this was just the best medium ever. He got on the 364 00:22:42,450 --> 00:22:48,840 roof of his house, made his wife put a target below on the grass. 365 00:22:49,050 --> 00:22:54,960 And he was awesome. I got to find that episode. It was 366 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:57,600 legendary. There was just something about it. I mean, 367 00:22:57,660 --> 00:23:01,680 think he had to be there. Yesterday typical poop stories. 368 00:23:02,100 --> 00:23:03,960 But it was me. 369 00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:06,210 It was dry for sticking around. 370 00:23:06,540 --> 00:23:09,930 Oh, yeah. Oh, no, no, she got a medal for that. But yeah, yeah. 371 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:11,910 Everyone knew Chris. He's nuts. 372 00:23:12,479 --> 00:23:15,839 I'm assuming that the pot the album art for this podcast was 373 00:23:15,839 --> 00:23:20,189 the Bristol stool index. No, I forget. Nobody knows what that 374 00:23:20,189 --> 00:23:20,939 is. You can Google it. 375 00:23:21,029 --> 00:23:26,969 I forgot what he had his art. Anyway, where were we? Oh, about 376 00:23:26,999 --> 00:23:30,839 growth. Growth. Yeah. Growth. Growth. Yeah. I was gonna say 377 00:23:30,839 --> 00:23:33,869 one final thing about that. Yeah, sure. So a true just kind 378 00:23:33,869 --> 00:23:38,819 of gets into growth, podcasting and inflation. If I were to 379 00:23:38,819 --> 00:23:42,659 track the past 10 years of the no agenda show, which is a value 380 00:23:42,659 --> 00:23:46,349 for value podcast, just like podcasting 2.0, the podcast and 381 00:23:46,349 --> 00:23:53,039 the entire project. Year over year, people have given us about 382 00:23:53,069 --> 00:24:00,359 between 12 and 18% more year over year. And as we're having 383 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:04,319 this conversation, I'm thinking over a 10 year span, it's not 384 00:24:04,319 --> 00:24:08,309 that people appreciated us more. It's just that the dollar 385 00:24:08,309 --> 00:24:14,009 devalued inflation. Yes, that is inflation. Because I'm not like 386 00:24:14,009 --> 00:24:17,759 living high on the hog any higher than I was last year. 387 00:24:18,389 --> 00:24:20,789 Right. So there, you know, I think there's your inflation, it 388 00:24:20,789 --> 00:24:25,019 may actually be that Hi. My situation has changed some you 389 00:24:25,019 --> 00:24:28,739 know, at some points throughout 10 years, Mike, my overhead is 390 00:24:28,739 --> 00:24:33,359 changed. I've reduced it significantly. marrying a woman 391 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:38,189 with money helps. She also which when I say 392 00:24:38,189 --> 00:24:41,519 that we're definitely you know, we, my wife married me for my 393 00:24:41,519 --> 00:24:46,979 money. But they that when you look around the industry and all 394 00:24:46,979 --> 00:24:53,609 the all the index funds and all the things that are like provide 395 00:24:53,609 --> 00:24:57,479 a quote unquote good return, whether they're in the market or 396 00:24:57,479 --> 00:25:02,159 whether they're in the equities or Whatever it is, like when all 397 00:25:02,159 --> 00:25:06,989 of them return roughly the same percentage. That's not That's 398 00:25:06,989 --> 00:25:11,789 not quality of product or investment. Primarily, that's 399 00:25:11,789 --> 00:25:12,389 inflation. 400 00:25:13,980 --> 00:25:17,010 Exactly, yeah. And what should we bring our guests in so we can 401 00:25:17,130 --> 00:25:18,510 chat some more podcasting? 402 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:21,630 Yeah, let's let's turn the corner and stop trying to you 403 00:25:21,630 --> 00:25:23,940 know, talk about trying to be Horowitz and 404 00:25:25,470 --> 00:25:28,590 although I think our our view of the market is a lot more 405 00:25:28,590 --> 00:25:31,860 entertaining, yes, because we bring in poop. It's just how 406 00:25:31,860 --> 00:25:35,850 it's supposed to go. Today's guests in the boardroom are 407 00:25:35,850 --> 00:25:38,370 assessed or if you will, as someone whose work I followed 408 00:25:38,370 --> 00:25:42,840 before podcasting 2.0 Because I was a user of his product. And 409 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:46,950 it's dynamite and he has an incredible niche of the 410 00:25:46,950 --> 00:25:51,060 industry. Very happy to have him here with us. Please welcome the 411 00:25:51,390 --> 00:25:55,110 the founder developer of pod LP Thomas Barrasso. 412 00:25:56,760 --> 00:26:00,120 Thank you excited to be here. And it's uh, it's pretty funny. 413 00:26:00,120 --> 00:26:04,200 I can relate to the poop casts I had a connection when I was an 414 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:06,420 undergrad I actually studied Viking poop. 415 00:26:06,780 --> 00:26:11,640 Viking poop. Okay. All right. This is something you can study. 416 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:14,430 This is an icon, you get credit college credit in this course. 417 00:26:15,180 --> 00:26:19,920 Yeah, I'll give you the LOL my thesis version. So basically, 418 00:26:19,950 --> 00:26:24,150 you know, Vikings and their their livestock settled in areas 419 00:26:24,150 --> 00:26:26,550 of Greenland and Iceland. And they they pooped, of course, 420 00:26:26,550 --> 00:26:29,940 just like all of us. And now those poop washed into water 421 00:26:29,940 --> 00:26:32,430 systems. And you can measure them over time through 422 00:26:32,700 --> 00:26:35,820 sedimentology. You can take sediment cores and lakes, and 423 00:26:35,820 --> 00:26:38,070 you can measure the concentration of deagle 424 00:26:38,070 --> 00:26:40,770 biomarkers and tell where people were when throughout history. 425 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:46,650 Wow. This is like counting the rings on a tree. We can we can 426 00:26:46,650 --> 00:26:47,790 count the poop rings. 427 00:26:48,420 --> 00:26:49,170 Exactly. 428 00:26:49,350 --> 00:26:54,840 So what were people eating? Sorry, what was that? I was 429 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:57,330 gonna ask what people were eating. What were the Vikings 430 00:26:57,330 --> 00:26:57,750 eating? 431 00:26:58,500 --> 00:27:01,500 Oh, that that's a harder question. That's the next that's 432 00:27:01,500 --> 00:27:02,790 the next grad students project. 433 00:27:02,850 --> 00:27:04,860 Oh, okay. All right. Dave, you had a question? I'm sorry. 434 00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:08,280 I'm just No, I'm just gonna. Just a comment and observation, 435 00:27:08,580 --> 00:27:12,810 if you will. I did not. I did not come into this podcast today 436 00:27:12,870 --> 00:27:18,510 expecting to hear the term FICO biomarkers. That was not on my 437 00:27:18,510 --> 00:27:21,720 list of all this, I thought I would hear well, this 438 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:27,540 is the most diverse boardroom in the industry today. We don't. So 439 00:27:27,540 --> 00:27:32,310 Thomas, tell us about about your app and and how it started. And 440 00:27:32,340 --> 00:27:33,990 maybe just give us a little background. So everybody 441 00:27:33,990 --> 00:27:36,570 understands exactly what you're doing. Because it's I think it's 442 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:40,560 one of the most important apps for podcasting future. 443 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:44,640 That that's quite the superlative. I appreciate it. 444 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:46,650 But yeah, I'm happy to give people some context. I know, 445 00:27:46,650 --> 00:27:49,500 it's, as you said, it's a pretty interesting niche, at least I 446 00:27:49,500 --> 00:27:52,380 think so. So yeah, at the start of the pandemic, you know, like 447 00:27:52,380 --> 00:27:54,810 a lot of people, everything shut down, I didn't have a commute. 448 00:27:54,810 --> 00:27:57,750 So I just had a bunch of free time. And I, one of the one of 449 00:27:57,750 --> 00:28:02,190 the many items on my infinite backlog of tech ideas that I 450 00:28:02,190 --> 00:28:04,650 could get around to at some point was to build a podcast app 451 00:28:04,650 --> 00:28:07,890 for feature phones, because I wanted to use one for going on 452 00:28:07,890 --> 00:28:11,100 camping trips. But you know, with car commutes and stuff, you 453 00:28:11,100 --> 00:28:13,740 get to drive to a campsite, I didn't want to be without 454 00:28:13,740 --> 00:28:16,200 something to listen to for that time. And I didn't want to deal 455 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:18,210 with the hassle of like downloading a bunch of mp3 is 456 00:28:18,210 --> 00:28:21,450 and sideloading them before I go. So yeah, I ended up building 457 00:28:21,450 --> 00:28:24,780 the app for myself. But then as I went through the process, I 458 00:28:24,780 --> 00:28:27,690 realized the market was a lot bigger than I would have ever 459 00:28:27,690 --> 00:28:31,560 imagined that at the start of pandemic there was no podcast 460 00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:35,130 app available for the platform, then I'm on iOS. And then yeah, 461 00:28:35,130 --> 00:28:38,370 I put it together pretty quickly. Got it out there and 462 00:28:38,370 --> 00:28:40,740 then then kept iterating on it. But yeah, for people who aren't 463 00:28:40,740 --> 00:28:43,950 aware, think about like your standard old Motorola Razor flip 464 00:28:43,950 --> 00:28:46,710 phone, not the new one that's touchscreen and Android but like 465 00:28:46,710 --> 00:28:49,710 the old school with a t nine buttons that you click around 466 00:28:49,890 --> 00:28:52,500 basically they're they're those but you know these days, they're 467 00:28:52,500 --> 00:28:56,340 much more capable they've got 3g 4g, they can stream audio video 468 00:28:56,640 --> 00:29:00,810 that come pre installed with YouTube and Google and Facebook. 469 00:29:00,990 --> 00:29:03,210 And and now you know there's penalty for listening to 470 00:29:03,210 --> 00:29:03,720 podcasts. 471 00:29:03,780 --> 00:29:10,020 Here's the irony Thomas. I was a feature phone user. Prior to the 472 00:29:10,020 --> 00:29:13,200 pandemic I was sick and tired of being tracked I'd gotten rid of 473 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:20,820 all iPhones I never was really into Android and I got the what 474 00:29:20,820 --> 00:29:25,980 is it? Which Alcatel Alcatel go flip three the Alcatel go flip 475 00:29:25,980 --> 00:29:29,850 three from T Mobile. I liked it because it had a hotspot. We did 476 00:29:29,850 --> 00:29:33,120 the basic things. You know texting of course is a pain in 477 00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:35,670 the ass. It does have you know, predictive text was still 478 00:29:35,790 --> 00:29:38,610 painful but it's okay because I was just living my life I was 479 00:29:38,610 --> 00:29:42,480 doing okay. And that's when I found pod LP I'm like this is so 480 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:45,720 dynamite because I was I was trying to get my hands on the 481 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:51,450 geo phone which is the geo phone which is big in India like that. 482 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:54,030 That's even better one I was you know, just to get beyond the 483 00:29:54,030 --> 00:29:59,280 form factor of the flip phone. And and so I was really enjoying 484 00:29:59,310 --> 00:30:03,960 the pocket cast up. And then the irony is we decided during the 485 00:30:03,990 --> 00:30:08,730 pandemic, oh, let's start podcasting. 2.0 I got so busy, I 486 00:30:08,730 --> 00:30:14,550 had to text more. And then I had to get a smartphone again. It's 487 00:30:14,550 --> 00:30:15,750 truly ironic. 488 00:30:17,340 --> 00:30:19,920 Yeah, that definitely happen. And I can totally relate to it. 489 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:22,500 I've actually got two of those geophones, the one and the two, 490 00:30:22,500 --> 00:30:24,150 including the one that looks like a Blackberry with the 491 00:30:24,150 --> 00:30:27,300 keyboard. But even that I can tell you it's not. It's not the 492 00:30:27,300 --> 00:30:30,600 texting machine that you janky. So So 493 00:30:30,870 --> 00:30:36,420 janky is jank. So, um, so you're in the in the Chi store for chi, 494 00:30:36,420 --> 00:30:38,970 iOS, I mean, how many downloads? How many people are using this 495 00:30:38,970 --> 00:30:39,300 thing? 496 00:30:40,530 --> 00:30:43,890 Yes. So in the last year and a half or so we're on two markets, 497 00:30:43,890 --> 00:30:46,980 the Chi store globally, and the geo store in India is definitely 498 00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:49,950 the largest market and we've got over 9 million installs around 499 00:30:49,950 --> 00:30:53,400 the world. In 75 countries. Oh, 500 00:30:53,430 --> 00:31:00,360 you're the biggest podcast app there is brother. You get? Wow, 501 00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:03,390 it's a large market. You know, to put it into perspective, QoS, 502 00:31:03,420 --> 00:31:06,330 I think has about 150 million monthly active users around the 503 00:31:06,330 --> 00:31:09,960 world. Sure. And they only the you know, this is this is pretty 504 00:31:10,110 --> 00:31:13,200 crazy. But they're only 8% of the global feature phone market 505 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:15,930 worldwide. I think people especially in Western markets 506 00:31:15,930 --> 00:31:18,600 forget that that's the largest device category in the world. 507 00:31:19,439 --> 00:31:24,119 So how long until we can do value for value on on one of 508 00:31:24,119 --> 00:31:24,839 these phones? 509 00:31:26,190 --> 00:31:28,080 I've definitely thought about you know, I keep adding some of 510 00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:31,410 the podcasting 2.0 features. But until there's a Bitcoin wallet, 511 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:33,240 I don't know if I'm going to be the one that's got the time to 512 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:35,790 build it. It's web based. So there's probably some way that 513 00:31:35,790 --> 00:31:37,740 you could connect it to an existing service. 514 00:31:37,980 --> 00:31:41,190 Oh, man, we have we have it all set up for expertise. We can say 515 00:31:41,310 --> 00:31:43,260 we have it all we have everything for you. All you need 516 00:31:43,260 --> 00:31:44,430 to do is just connect. 517 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:48,870 Right Dave? Yeah, that's it. Just just as simple as that 518 00:31:48,870 --> 00:31:52,410 just connect. We got it all set for you. What's your problem? 519 00:31:52,620 --> 00:31:53,820 It's connect already. 520 00:31:54,270 --> 00:32:01,080 Look, tell me this Thomas? Or is his chi West you're like So is 521 00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:03,720 it your daily driver? I mean, you live on this phone. 522 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:09,930 I don't anymore. To be honest, I similar similar to Adam. 523 00:32:10,230 --> 00:32:13,410 Basically, after launching this and having a bunch to deal with 524 00:32:13,410 --> 00:32:16,560 it's pretty difficult to navigate them on a regular 525 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:18,660 basis. If you're going to be texting a lot you know, it's 526 00:32:18,660 --> 00:32:21,180 fine. If you're gonna be doing calls, you're consuming audio 527 00:32:21,180 --> 00:32:23,790 and stuff. But I flipped between them. I've got I don't even know 528 00:32:23,790 --> 00:32:26,370 like a dozen of these powers. Now I got the new go flip for 529 00:32:27,030 --> 00:32:27,360 definitely 530 00:32:27,540 --> 00:32:32,100 bestest. So I'm, this is so cool. Because, you know, we had 531 00:32:34,230 --> 00:32:37,800 Who do we have on? Last week, we had the RSS calm guys on. Yeah. 532 00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:41,460 And they're storming the, the Latin American market. And you 533 00:32:41,460 --> 00:32:45,000 know, this is everyone's dicking around here, you know, waiting 534 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:49,350 for Spotify to buy him. And meanwhile, this whole market is 535 00:32:49,350 --> 00:32:51,360 opening up. It's very, it's very exciting. 536 00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:54,630 So what do you think Thomas? Is India? Is that clearly the 537 00:32:54,690 --> 00:32:59,370 biggest market for chi? And for me, no NGO? And that is that is 538 00:32:59,370 --> 00:33:01,620 that clearly like head and shoulders above the rest? 539 00:33:02,970 --> 00:33:06,150 Yeah, absolutely. India is definitely in a in a category on 540 00:33:06,150 --> 00:33:08,970 its own and in large part to do and what they've done for that 541 00:33:08,970 --> 00:33:12,510 industry really rapidly, you know, growing from from 2g to 542 00:33:12,510 --> 00:33:16,410 4g, you know, over 100 million devices activated in like two or 543 00:33:16,410 --> 00:33:19,260 three years. So it's absolutely massive. And for us an important 544 00:33:19,260 --> 00:33:21,120 market, because it's one of the largest Anglophone markets, 545 00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:24,480 right? Most podcasts are still available in English and English 546 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:25,830 is still a major language in India. 547 00:33:26,370 --> 00:33:29,610 Yeah, that was gonna be my next question is how do you handle 548 00:33:30,210 --> 00:33:35,010 your biggest market being a, you know, a particular country or 549 00:33:35,010 --> 00:33:40,080 region? Do you? Do you take that into account? When you feature 550 00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:43,920 podcasts within your directory? Do you say, Okay, well, you 551 00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:47,280 know, here's our biggest market. So I'm going to mostly put this 552 00:33:47,340 --> 00:33:50,160 type of content as sort of up front. 553 00:33:52,350 --> 00:33:56,370 Yeah, so we vary the content on the app based on, you know, a 554 00:33:56,370 --> 00:33:58,500 bunch of different parameters, the language, the country, 555 00:33:58,500 --> 00:34:00,570 things like that. And obviously, India is one that we definitely 556 00:34:00,570 --> 00:34:03,690 prioritize when we're sourcing new content. You know, it being 557 00:34:03,690 --> 00:34:06,570 the largest market, but also, I think, a lot of people in 558 00:34:06,570 --> 00:34:09,270 Western audience, I think maybe there's a lack of appreciation 559 00:34:09,270 --> 00:34:13,320 for the diversity there, you know, with 1.3 billion people 560 00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,320 and, you know, there's probably like a dozen different regional 561 00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:19,290 languages that each have almost 100 million speakers. Yeah, it's 562 00:34:19,290 --> 00:34:22,950 definitely like it's it's a very varied market, depending on 563 00:34:22,950 --> 00:34:25,830 where you are in India. And our our audience is predominantly 564 00:34:25,830 --> 00:34:28,860 rural and pretty diverse. So it's really interesting one to 565 00:34:28,860 --> 00:34:29,280 work with. 566 00:34:29,729 --> 00:34:32,519 Thomas, who's this we you talk of? 567 00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:37,920 It's the I don't know, the hypothetical. We, 568 00:34:38,130 --> 00:34:41,910 I mean, in a way, is it just your soil? I'm leading towards a 569 00:34:41,910 --> 00:34:45,510 question. You have nine you have 9 million of anything you have a 570 00:34:45,510 --> 00:34:53,550 business, technically, is are you making money in any way? Are 571 00:34:53,550 --> 00:34:57,030 you? Do you have any plans? Are you just keeping this as a fun 572 00:34:57,030 --> 00:34:59,670 app? I mean, how do you look at this? Where do you stand in 573 00:34:59,670 --> 00:35:00,450 relation into it. 574 00:35:02,129 --> 00:35:05,369 Yeah, that's a good question. So most of our revenue comes from 575 00:35:05,369 --> 00:35:07,799 podcast sponsorships. So anybody who's interested in growing 576 00:35:07,799 --> 00:35:10,529 their audience globally, we can promote their content, the 577 00:35:10,529 --> 00:35:13,109 number one spots on our homepage, and it shows up the 578 00:35:13,109 --> 00:35:15,599 first thing that users see that's something that can 579 00:35:15,599 --> 00:35:20,309 generate often many 1000s of lessons in a single day. So 580 00:35:20,309 --> 00:35:23,939 that's a definitely the, you know, the key prime spot for us, 581 00:35:24,029 --> 00:35:26,129 we can also promote content anywhere else in the app, we can 582 00:35:26,129 --> 00:35:29,849 promote it in category pages search, you know, we can promote 583 00:35:29,849 --> 00:35:32,279 on other parts of the homepage. So there's there's definitely 584 00:35:32,279 --> 00:35:34,469 ways to promote content and that that's really been how we've 585 00:35:34,469 --> 00:35:37,079 been able to afford to grow and scale 586 00:35:37,139 --> 00:35:41,399 now, is this your you have a day job? Or is this your, your full 587 00:35:41,399 --> 00:35:42,299 time occupation? 588 00:35:43,350 --> 00:35:47,010 Yeah, I have a day jobs. I do this basically, you know, early 589 00:35:47,010 --> 00:35:49,470 in the morning, and in the evenings or weekends. 590 00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:54,180 Let your true your true podcasting. 2.0. Yeah. Not 591 00:35:54,180 --> 00:35:54,810 sustainable, 592 00:35:55,050 --> 00:35:58,320 afraid, afraid to come into poverty? What's wrong with you? 593 00:35:58,350 --> 00:36:03,030 Yes. Hey, that's cool, man. So I would definitely be interested 594 00:36:03,030 --> 00:36:07,980 in in buying a position for one or two of my podcast. So send me 595 00:36:07,980 --> 00:36:11,370 your rate card, I'd love to take a look at it. For sure. Yeah, 596 00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:14,430 that's that's when I mean that I think that's a really under, 597 00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:18,420 especially with value for value. There's so many opportunities, 598 00:36:18,450 --> 00:36:21,540 app developers can be taking advantage of with content. 599 00:36:21,870 --> 00:36:25,830 People like when when the when a bill and the wolf released their 600 00:36:26,970 --> 00:36:31,680 their value for value album on Christmas. I mean, I just missed 601 00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:34,230 the, you know, I missed the promotion from Oscar Mary, you 602 00:36:34,230 --> 00:36:37,200 know, I missed the breeze hyping it, you know, and that all could 603 00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:39,930 have been settled with value block splits. I mean, there's 604 00:36:39,930 --> 00:36:41,910 just so much that we could do with so I love an 605 00:36:41,910 --> 00:36:44,730 entrepreneurial developer who's saying, hey, you know, I can I 606 00:36:44,730 --> 00:36:47,940 can make some dough this way? And, and build a business? 607 00:36:48,210 --> 00:36:51,810 Maybe? Yeah, 608 00:36:52,830 --> 00:36:55,170 no, I think that's a good way of putting it. And for us, I think 609 00:36:55,170 --> 00:36:57,660 it's very organic, right, we get to help podcasters connect with 610 00:36:57,660 --> 00:37:00,690 a new audience. And we get to help, you know, an audience of 611 00:37:00,690 --> 00:37:03,150 predominantly first time internet users find, you know, 612 00:37:03,150 --> 00:37:06,150 new engaging content, but they can learn from that they can be 613 00:37:06,150 --> 00:37:08,340 entertained by so it's it's definitely something that's 614 00:37:08,340 --> 00:37:11,730 been, you know, really, really awesome to watch as the you 615 00:37:11,730 --> 00:37:12,450 know, it's been over a year. 616 00:37:12,450 --> 00:37:18,270 Now. I want to ask you about your, your developer chops here, 617 00:37:18,270 --> 00:37:23,220 and when what you got going on, so what I know, in iOS is mostly 618 00:37:23,220 --> 00:37:31,230 html5 environment. So how do you develop an app for that? What is 619 00:37:31,230 --> 00:37:35,640 your development environment look like? And know that I have 620 00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:39,480 no experience other than I downloaded the simulator the 621 00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:42,960 other day to try to get the pod LP up and running in a car 622 00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:48,300 simulator and failed epically to do it. It was a horrible 623 00:37:48,300 --> 00:37:53,670 disaster. But like, how, what is what is the language that you 624 00:37:53,700 --> 00:37:56,760 that you run in? What does that look like? And and then what 625 00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:58,320 tools do you use? 626 00:38:00,570 --> 00:38:03,810 Yes, that's the interesting question. Because it's, it's 627 00:38:03,810 --> 00:38:06,840 definitely been a challenge. I think it's easier today. But 628 00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:09,270 yeah, the simulator, I wouldn't recommend if anybody's looking 629 00:38:09,270 --> 00:38:12,150 to get into the that that area, I would say, just get a hardware 630 00:38:12,150 --> 00:38:13,890 device, they're pretty affordable, you can get them in 631 00:38:13,890 --> 00:38:17,400 the US for, I don't know, as low as like 2030 bucks for some of 632 00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:20,850 the really crappy cheap ones and some of the nicer ones around 633 00:38:20,850 --> 00:38:23,610 100. So yeah, I would say get a hardware device, you know, don't 634 00:38:23,610 --> 00:38:27,690 waste your time in a simulator. And then, honestly, it's been a 635 00:38:27,690 --> 00:38:30,510 large part of self discovery. So there's documentation, of 636 00:38:30,510 --> 00:38:33,570 course, I find the documentation to be pretty incomplete as it 637 00:38:33,570 --> 00:38:36,810 often is a path and actually just sort of like, you get a 638 00:38:36,810 --> 00:38:39,990 device you you poke around, you learn how the API's work, you 639 00:38:40,290 --> 00:38:42,750 have to do a lot of testing to see which which devices have 640 00:38:42,750 --> 00:38:46,290 which API's where and when. And, yeah, yeah, so it's a lot of 641 00:38:46,290 --> 00:38:48,630 self discovery. In terms of the environment, though. It's for 642 00:38:48,630 --> 00:38:52,080 Penelope in particular, it's all JavaScript. It's a spelt single 643 00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:55,350 page app. We built in particular and spelt because I wanted the 644 00:38:55,350 --> 00:38:57,990 app to be really small, because these are pretty resource 645 00:38:57,990 --> 00:39:00,600 constrained devices. So the entire app with all of its 646 00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:05,310 resources, images, JavaScript styles, etc, is just under just 647 00:39:05,310 --> 00:39:06,720 over 400 kilobytes. Now, 648 00:39:07,410 --> 00:39:14,190 I can hear Steven be screaming at the top of his lungs. Yeah, 649 00:39:14,190 --> 00:39:20,550 that the the svelte evangelists may rival only the rust 650 00:39:20,550 --> 00:39:24,090 evangelists in their ability to constantly talk about svelte 651 00:39:24,720 --> 00:39:27,750 that's, that's been my experience. What so what is your 652 00:39:28,380 --> 00:39:33,660 so you test all on hardware? What is what's the biggest sort 653 00:39:33,660 --> 00:39:38,070 of pain point or constraint that you're that you deal with is a 654 00:39:38,070 --> 00:39:41,220 screen size. And the variance of all the different devices having 655 00:39:41,220 --> 00:39:45,330 different screens is a storage bandwidth lack of a keyboard and 656 00:39:45,330 --> 00:39:47,820 low memory like what what is your biggest obstacle that 657 00:39:47,820 --> 00:39:49,080 you're kind of constantly battling? 658 00:39:52,650 --> 00:39:56,970 Yeah, that's a that's a really interesting question to tackle. 659 00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:59,490 I think there's definitely a lot of challenges some of the ones 660 00:39:59,490 --> 00:40:02,160 that you seem apparent, like screen sizes are actually not 661 00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:06,300 really all that challenging to navigate. And all the ios 662 00:40:06,300 --> 00:40:08,520 devices have the exact same screen size, same screen 663 00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:11,490 resolution. So they largely have the same hardware, which 664 00:40:11,490 --> 00:40:15,210 definitely helped standardize things. More than more than 665 00:40:15,210 --> 00:40:20,550 anything between odd castings, lack of uniformity and chi, Wess 666 00:40:20,550 --> 00:40:24,330 lack of uniformity. It feels like an early days Android, 667 00:40:24,330 --> 00:40:26,460 there's a lot of fragmentation. And so you end up having to 668 00:40:26,460 --> 00:40:30,120 build a lot of checks in place to say like, if this is 669 00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:32,580 available, do this thing. And the same goes for podcasts, 670 00:40:32,580 --> 00:40:35,850 right? Like, I think I was looking at using the enclosure 671 00:40:35,850 --> 00:40:39,750 Length attribute as something I could display for size of 672 00:40:39,750 --> 00:40:44,730 podcast, there. Yeah. But even even sometimes it's set to zero. 673 00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:47,820 I found somewhere it's set to like one or two or three, which 674 00:40:48,540 --> 00:40:51,780 it looks like a real number. But that's not you can't have I 675 00:40:51,780 --> 00:40:55,620 think I looked this up the mp3 header size is at least like 24 676 00:40:55,620 --> 00:40:56,370 bytes or something. 677 00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:57,990 Welcome to Dave's nightmare. 678 00:40:58,410 --> 00:41:00,690 Yeah, I had an email from somebody the other day saying, 679 00:41:00,690 --> 00:41:04,440 Hey, I've just started using API and I've noticed a bug a lot of 680 00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:08,820 direct, a lot of the durations in the results are coming back 681 00:41:08,820 --> 00:41:11,520 to zero. And like, well, that's because they're not in the feet. 682 00:41:12,300 --> 00:41:12,750 Yep. 683 00:41:14,820 --> 00:41:18,210 Yeah, that sounds about right. So between iOS and podcasting, 684 00:41:18,210 --> 00:41:21,690 it's definitely been a challenge dealing with the lack of of 685 00:41:21,720 --> 00:41:23,490 completeness and uniformity. 686 00:41:23,910 --> 00:41:26,910 So what are you what have you implemented tag wise? Have you 687 00:41:26,910 --> 00:41:28,440 done the alternate enclosures? 688 00:41:29,970 --> 00:41:34,680 Yes, we have alternate enclosures. There's, I have to 689 00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:39,900 go look how we got funding location person. Wow. There's 690 00:41:39,930 --> 00:41:44,040 just recently I think it's, we've got transcripts. So those 691 00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:47,340 actually show up both live, you can have them, or you can read 692 00:41:47,340 --> 00:41:47,850 them all. 693 00:41:48,060 --> 00:41:50,970 Dynamite. Well, he searched them. 694 00:41:52,650 --> 00:41:56,220 You can't search them yet. Yeah. Next next iteration. Yeah, 695 00:41:56,249 --> 00:42:01,679 I use that every single day. Every day. I'm like, Wow, man, I 696 00:42:01,679 --> 00:42:04,559 think, you know, here's my process, like, oh, there's 697 00:42:04,559 --> 00:42:08,249 something some news item. And then first of all, go to Bing 698 00:42:08,249 --> 00:42:12,539 it.io, which indexes all of my show notes. I'll find Okay, I 699 00:42:12,539 --> 00:42:15,389 think was this episode, then I'll go to that episode, pop 700 00:42:15,389 --> 00:42:18,569 open the transcript and search, and then click listen. And then 701 00:42:18,569 --> 00:42:21,929 I can find a clip. I can find almost anything. It's as a 702 00:42:21,929 --> 00:42:23,939 research tool. Unbelievable. 703 00:42:25,409 --> 00:42:27,119 Yeah. Yeah. 704 00:42:27,150 --> 00:42:29,790 Yeah. That I think Search Plus chapters would be super 705 00:42:29,790 --> 00:42:31,530 powerful. Definitely, definitely something I've got on the 706 00:42:31,530 --> 00:42:34,560 backlog. But I don't think these devices come at search by 707 00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:37,560 default. So it's a pretty non standard interface to begin 708 00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:37,800 with. 709 00:42:37,860 --> 00:42:39,060 Right. Right. 710 00:42:39,090 --> 00:42:41,070 Well, that's, that's an interesting question. And so 711 00:42:42,150 --> 00:42:46,230 yeah, right. Well, so two questions on that on that topic. 712 00:42:47,310 --> 00:42:54,180 One is, how do you manage this, this lack of a keyboard? Because 713 00:42:54,270 --> 00:42:58,980 everybody, I'll tell you, I've known two people so far, well, 714 00:42:58,980 --> 00:43:01,830 including with Adam three, I've known three people so far 715 00:43:01,830 --> 00:43:07,440 personally, that have tried to go daily driver with a phone 716 00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:13,050 like the Alcatel. And the thing that always makes them bail out, 717 00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:19,560 is the is how difficult it is to text. And so the keyboard lack 718 00:43:19,590 --> 00:43:22,590 the lack of an onscreen keyboard, or a physical keyboard 719 00:43:22,590 --> 00:43:26,100 is like this deal killer for a lot of people. Do you do 720 00:43:26,100 --> 00:43:31,260 anything special to try to make it easier for people to do like 721 00:43:31,290 --> 00:43:36,000 autocomplete search terms or anything like that? Like, how do 722 00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:37,320 you? How do you deal with that? 723 00:43:40,079 --> 00:43:43,349 So we don't have autocomplete yet with search, unfortunately, 724 00:43:43,349 --> 00:43:47,159 it is still pretty. It's t nine, it's still a pretty manual 725 00:43:47,159 --> 00:43:50,969 process for actually typing stuff out. So I don't think 726 00:43:50,969 --> 00:43:53,369 there's anything unique in that front. But I would say the rest 727 00:43:53,369 --> 00:43:57,179 of the application is actually probably pretty comparable in 728 00:43:57,179 --> 00:44:00,089 terms of discoverability for what you'd expect other apps, 729 00:44:00,089 --> 00:44:02,579 right? Scrolling is not really that different than holding the 730 00:44:02,579 --> 00:44:06,419 down key. It's really not all that, you know, it's basically 731 00:44:06,419 --> 00:44:08,879 like a TV interface. If you think about TV remote, it's 732 00:44:08,879 --> 00:44:10,859 basically got the D pad navigation. And that's what 733 00:44:10,859 --> 00:44:13,439 these phones are, you can you can discover pretty easily, but 734 00:44:13,439 --> 00:44:15,749 you go to try to, you know, search for something on Netflix, 735 00:44:15,749 --> 00:44:18,119 and it's a pain, you got to go through this keyboard and you 736 00:44:18,119 --> 00:44:21,149 move in left and right. It's the same interface problem. I don't 737 00:44:21,149 --> 00:44:23,939 think there's anything unique that we've solved in that that 738 00:44:23,939 --> 00:44:24,269 front. 739 00:44:24,869 --> 00:44:29,039 Yeah. Do you have OPML import? Is somebody coming from another 740 00:44:29,039 --> 00:44:29,309 app? 741 00:44:30,570 --> 00:44:33,750 No, not yet. And it was mostly because it was the first and for 742 00:44:33,750 --> 00:44:36,000 a long time, the only apps that we were the only other one out 743 00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:40,380 there. But it's definitely something that I like, like a 744 00:44:40,380 --> 00:44:43,290 lot of things. I've got a long list to get around the building. 745 00:44:43,889 --> 00:44:48,359 Yeah. And one thing, one of the things on the search thing, as 746 00:44:48,359 --> 00:44:52,709 far as indexing do is everything's as html5 Is 747 00:44:52,709 --> 00:44:56,279 everything just local storage or index DB or something like that 748 00:44:56,279 --> 00:44:59,069 on the on on the app is that what you're dealing with for 749 00:44:59,069 --> 00:44:59,609 storage? 750 00:45:01,530 --> 00:45:03,690 Yeah, there's a couple of different storage classes, those 751 00:45:03,690 --> 00:45:06,300 are obviously available. The only caveat that I would add to 752 00:45:06,300 --> 00:45:09,540 that is you have to be pretty cautious and conservative about 753 00:45:09,540 --> 00:45:11,910 what you store on these phones, because they often have very 754 00:45:11,910 --> 00:45:16,260 limited storage capacity, you're rarely guaranteed to have more 755 00:45:16,260 --> 00:45:18,510 than a couple Meg's at most. And sometimes you don't even get 756 00:45:18,510 --> 00:45:21,420 that. So you have to be, you have to have the app work, 757 00:45:21,420 --> 00:45:23,880 regardless of whether you can store and then for downloads. 758 00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:27,960 It's a whole different system. They have a Kiowa specific API 759 00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:30,990 for creating files. And we do that to stream podcasts in 760 00:45:30,990 --> 00:45:34,500 chunks and then save them locally, to, you know, an mp3 761 00:45:34,500 --> 00:45:36,180 file on the device. And then you can play that back. 762 00:45:36,510 --> 00:45:41,310 What is the typical bandwidth in India? From from one of these 763 00:45:41,310 --> 00:45:43,110 phones? What kind of throughput are they getting? 764 00:45:44,130 --> 00:45:47,280 Yeah, they're all 4g LTE. So they're pretty capable. They can 765 00:45:47,340 --> 00:45:50,970 on the low end, I think they're the minimum bar that they set is 766 00:45:50,970 --> 00:45:53,730 something around 10 megabits and then on the upper end, they can 767 00:45:53,730 --> 00:45:55,560 they can get to three digit sometimes. 768 00:45:56,010 --> 00:45:59,970 You know, India being such a huge market. There's got to be a 769 00:45:59,970 --> 00:46:03,780 way that I can sell you curry calm for way too much money. 770 00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:11,400 Hey, podcast, curry calm is hot. People 771 00:46:11,820 --> 00:46:14,820 know, the Brit, the British would buy that before the the 772 00:46:14,910 --> 00:46:15,960 I've had inquiries. 773 00:46:16,019 --> 00:46:19,319 I've had inquiries. Yes, I got pretty far one one time. 774 00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:23,040 But your whole world would call I know. 775 00:46:24,449 --> 00:46:27,659 There's so much tied to curry calm, I would be so screwed. 776 00:46:27,689 --> 00:46:29,879 Yeah. It's not a good idea. You're right. 777 00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:35,370 Are you using the API at all? Thomas? The podcast index API? 778 00:46:36,929 --> 00:46:40,349 Yes, well, I actually just added it like, a couple of weeks ago, 779 00:46:40,349 --> 00:46:43,559 maybe over the Christmas break to the backend. It's the first 780 00:46:43,559 --> 00:46:46,709 time. So it's kind of funny. When I first launched pod LP, 781 00:46:46,739 --> 00:46:48,599 one of the things I was doing is basically following my 782 00:46:48,599 --> 00:46:50,759 curiosity. I had no idea how podcasting works. And then I 783 00:46:50,759 --> 00:46:52,739 learned about RSS, and there's like, Oh, where do you get these 784 00:46:52,739 --> 00:46:55,319 feeds. And I learned about directories and indexes and 785 00:46:55,319 --> 00:46:57,479 stuff. And I sort of like organically discovered over 786 00:46:57,479 --> 00:47:00,569 time, but then you guys came out a few months after I launched, 787 00:47:00,569 --> 00:47:03,539 and it's like, Damn, if you guys had, if the timing got 788 00:47:03,539 --> 00:47:06,329 differently, I wouldn't bother building all this stuff. But in 789 00:47:06,359 --> 00:47:08,669 retrospect, I'm glad I did. Because there's so many unique 790 00:47:08,669 --> 00:47:11,609 capabilities that we need. But you know, I don't think podcast 791 00:47:11,609 --> 00:47:13,679 index is doing and frankly, nobody is doing because we're 792 00:47:13,679 --> 00:47:15,269 the only ones who have to care about that stuff. 793 00:47:15,929 --> 00:47:18,659 Yeah, that that really is the best way to go is to have have 794 00:47:18,659 --> 00:47:23,459 your own back end. And that way, you can sort of take the raw 795 00:47:24,029 --> 00:47:27,659 data coming out of an API like packets, index, and then and 796 00:47:27,659 --> 00:47:31,259 then like, filter it into what you need for your app. Yeah, 797 00:47:31,259 --> 00:47:32,519 that's definitely the what do 798 00:47:32,940 --> 00:47:35,880 you know the funding tag is cool that you have that in there that 799 00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:44,040 just I just happen to know that Pay Pal will not accept money 800 00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:49,980 from India? So we've had people tried to send us donations, not 801 00:47:49,980 --> 00:47:52,950 to the show, but to no agenda from India, and always gets 802 00:47:52,950 --> 00:47:55,890 rejected. Not Allowed from your country. 803 00:47:57,900 --> 00:48:00,660 Oh, that's interesting. I mean, yeah, they surface basically 804 00:48:00,660 --> 00:48:03,720 just as links, and there is no Pay Pal out on iOS. So I don't, 805 00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:06,600 I don't know how many people, it's probably not the right 806 00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:10,200 market. If you're looking for a large volume of people funding 807 00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:10,890 via PayPal, 808 00:48:11,460 --> 00:48:14,880 I'm not known as something I should ask more developers. What 809 00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:17,430 do you do to track behavior? Do you track behavior of your 810 00:48:17,430 --> 00:48:21,630 users? How they're using it? Do you extrapolate that? Do you use 811 00:48:21,630 --> 00:48:23,430 that in your in your iterations? 812 00:48:24,989 --> 00:48:29,939 Yeah, so we get a very basic set of analytics, in terms of 813 00:48:29,939 --> 00:48:33,449 tracking behavior, you know, it's it's event space, so we can 814 00:48:33,449 --> 00:48:36,119 track like, you know, how many subscriptions are coming in, how 815 00:48:36,119 --> 00:48:38,789 many listens, things like that, because it's all you know, the 816 00:48:38,789 --> 00:48:42,659 API that we control every time, like, we've got a standard URL 817 00:48:42,659 --> 00:48:45,119 that you get for every time you want to get an enclosure URL, 818 00:48:45,119 --> 00:48:47,609 and it just redirects to the enclosure URL. And so that 819 00:48:47,729 --> 00:48:50,099 allows us to just count the number of listens that we get, 820 00:48:50,369 --> 00:48:53,879 and track, like, you know, what podcast is being listened to? 821 00:48:53,879 --> 00:48:55,979 That means that when we work with sponsors, we can tell them, 822 00:48:56,249 --> 00:48:59,129 you know, if you run a campaign, how many I mean, listen, how 823 00:48:59,129 --> 00:49:01,169 many downloads, how many subscribers do you get from your 824 00:49:01,169 --> 00:49:04,229 campaign? What's the conversion look like? Now, but it is pretty 825 00:49:04,229 --> 00:49:07,019 basic, you know, it's not like we, and it's all anonymous, so 826 00:49:07,019 --> 00:49:09,239 there's no signup, there's no email, there's no phone number 827 00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:12,899 that you provide. So yeah, pretty basic, anonymous 828 00:49:12,899 --> 00:49:13,469 analytics. 829 00:49:13,739 --> 00:49:17,069 Yeah. What I was thinking more is, you know, I think some of 830 00:49:17,069 --> 00:49:20,369 these SDKs that, you know, that are out there for iOS and 831 00:49:20,369 --> 00:49:24,449 Android, which I think are developed by Facebook. They put 832 00:49:24,449 --> 00:49:28,349 all kinds of interesting metrics in there that you can see how 833 00:49:28,349 --> 00:49:31,199 people are scrolling, what they're stopping on how fast 834 00:49:31,199 --> 00:49:33,839 they're going, does that available for iOS at all? 835 00:49:36,060 --> 00:49:39,150 Definitely not provided by iOS, there might be some sort of web 836 00:49:39,150 --> 00:49:43,350 framework that you could use. I tend to err on the side of being 837 00:49:43,350 --> 00:49:45,990 a little bit more mindful of privacy and security. So I don't 838 00:49:45,990 --> 00:49:48,870 know that I would want to be that invasive. But uh, yeah, I 839 00:49:48,870 --> 00:49:51,210 think it's definitely if there's something interesting that I 840 00:49:51,210 --> 00:49:54,150 could glean from it and do it in a way that doesn't hurt 841 00:49:54,150 --> 00:49:57,210 performance and doesn't impact privacy, then I'd consider it 842 00:49:58,409 --> 00:50:01,169 interesting that doesn't exist at all. And by the way, I'm very 843 00:50:01,169 --> 00:50:05,609 happy. I think that's that's the the worst part of app 844 00:50:05,609 --> 00:50:08,789 development is the only way you can really understand how people 845 00:50:08,789 --> 00:50:11,609 are using your app is by installing that SDK. And of 846 00:50:11,609 --> 00:50:13,679 course, that reports everything to Facebook. 847 00:50:14,790 --> 00:50:17,790 Yeah, the to limit tree all the telemetry telemetry. That's 848 00:50:17,790 --> 00:50:20,010 the word I was looking for. Yeah. Wow, man. That's 849 00:50:20,010 --> 00:50:23,460 congratulations, Thomas's that's really that's, that's quite an 850 00:50:23,460 --> 00:50:26,370 accomplishment. But I just love that you saw that, that 851 00:50:26,370 --> 00:50:30,120 opportunity. And and I saw it was it's a great piece of 852 00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:33,240 software. I haven't used it for a bit, because I haven't used 853 00:50:33,240 --> 00:50:35,880 that phone. But it's really it's a it's a great app. 854 00:50:37,980 --> 00:50:41,160 Thank you. Yeah, I appreciate it. And, you know, I think it's 855 00:50:41,730 --> 00:50:44,280 anything I can do to help educate folks. I think people 856 00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:47,160 forget that, you know, just how, how important this market is, 857 00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:49,230 right? I mean, even in the United States, there's still 858 00:50:49,230 --> 00:50:51,870 millions of people using feature phones every day. And I don't 859 00:50:51,870 --> 00:50:53,700 think it's going away anytime soon. Some people use it by 860 00:50:53,700 --> 00:50:56,910 choice. And some people, you know, that's that's their, 861 00:50:57,810 --> 00:51:00,480 that's their, their limitations are the capabilities, you know, 862 00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:03,300 my grandparents had flip phones, and that they would never 863 00:51:03,300 --> 00:51:05,130 graduate to a smartphone you couldn't pay them to. 864 00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:09,210 Yeah, since it's such a new market, is there an opportunity 865 00:51:09,210 --> 00:51:16,020 here to promote? Dave, we should probably talk to Buzzsprout and 866 00:51:16,020 --> 00:51:19,770 RSS COMM And those guys about is there an opportunity to promote 867 00:51:19,770 --> 00:51:24,210 podcasting 2.0 authoring features, so that, you know, 868 00:51:24,210 --> 00:51:29,670 this relatively emerging new market can start out of the gate 869 00:51:29,670 --> 00:51:33,600 with some modern shit. And you know, and not just kickstart 870 00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:37,650 that because it seems, you know, that if creators are, are aware 871 00:51:37,650 --> 00:51:40,680 of the app, and they must be, you know, if there's some 872 00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:43,380 messaging, they're like, hey, you know, you can do better you 873 00:51:43,380 --> 00:51:45,000 can do better than the West. 874 00:51:46,199 --> 00:51:49,349 Yeah, that's a good point, something like that. I think 875 00:51:49,349 --> 00:51:53,789 everybody is so locked in on, you know, on the standard 876 00:51:53,789 --> 00:51:57,359 smartphone platforms that when you think when you imagine a 877 00:51:57,359 --> 00:52:01,619 podcast app, you don't imagine in your head, most average, 878 00:52:01,679 --> 00:52:06,659 humans are not going to imagine, at least in the US. They're not 879 00:52:06,659 --> 00:52:09,539 gonna imagine something that looks like a Kiowa screen. No, 880 00:52:09,689 --> 00:52:12,719 they're they're definitely not. But if you do, it sort of 881 00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:14,909 changes your perspective on things sort of like being aware 882 00:52:14,909 --> 00:52:17,789 of bandwidth limitations. Yeah. Makes you see a need for 883 00:52:17,789 --> 00:52:22,379 something like alternate enclosure. I mean, on that sort 884 00:52:22,379 --> 00:52:28,319 of vein, Thomas Woody, what is the biggest thing that you can 885 00:52:28,319 --> 00:52:31,289 think of when it comes to the way feeds are constructed? Or 886 00:52:31,289 --> 00:52:36,179 delivered? That that is a problem for what you're trying 887 00:52:36,179 --> 00:52:39,059 to do? Like? What do you constantly run up against when 888 00:52:39,059 --> 00:52:45,839 you're transmogrifying a feed a podcast into something that can 889 00:52:45,839 --> 00:52:49,439 run in display efficiently on a small screen like that? 890 00:52:52,350 --> 00:52:55,500 Yeah, I think it always comes down to size at the end of the 891 00:52:55,500 --> 00:52:59,490 day, whether that's the size of the RSS enclosure, like you 892 00:52:59,490 --> 00:53:03,960 mentioned. So having alternative enclosures is huge. You know, it 893 00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:06,420 makes so much sense to have adaptable, bit rich just because 894 00:53:06,870 --> 00:53:09,990 devices like this, and probably other devices worldwide, even 895 00:53:09,990 --> 00:53:12,360 your smartphone on 3g doesn't really need to be streaming the 896 00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:16,410 highest bitrate, it's going to cause jank and lag and 897 00:53:16,410 --> 00:53:18,810 buffering, it'd be better to stream a lower bitrate and 898 00:53:18,810 --> 00:53:21,990 stream it smoothly. Same with podcast images, that's an 899 00:53:21,990 --> 00:53:25,830 exciting one. For me, the ability to have, you know, a 900 00:53:25,830 --> 00:53:28,290 right sized thumbnail that I don't have to generate and push 901 00:53:28,290 --> 00:53:32,820 myself would be really powerful. Everybody's posting 3000 by 3000 902 00:53:32,820 --> 00:53:35,580 images for the latest iPhone, which is great, but that'll 903 00:53:35,580 --> 00:53:38,640 crash one of these phones, you can't display that. That's 1/10 904 00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:42,060 the size. So those two are powerful. And then just thinking 905 00:53:42,060 --> 00:53:47,670 about and being mindful for like the length of titles. I noticed 906 00:53:47,670 --> 00:53:50,310 this. Like I was listening to pod land recently. And it's 907 00:53:50,310 --> 00:53:53,550 great, but some of their titles are like like in line 908 00:53:53,580 --> 00:53:57,810 and scrolled off on my screen to on on pod friend I saw the same 909 00:53:57,840 --> 00:53:58,170 thing 910 00:53:59,940 --> 00:54:02,130 is about buffer overflow the stack 911 00:54:02,190 --> 00:54:05,220 like that. Yeah. And it wraps around to the next line goes 912 00:54:05,220 --> 00:54:10,350 over time lines and shit. Yeah. That's fun. Hey, we're in a 913 00:54:10,350 --> 00:54:13,620 burgeoning industry here. So it's all a fresh for everybody. 914 00:54:14,700 --> 00:54:15,060 Yeah, 915 00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:16,200 exactly. 916 00:54:16,590 --> 00:54:20,280 What is this? What is the image art size for that? You really, I 917 00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:23,640 guess you scale everything down to us to a standardized size. 918 00:54:25,020 --> 00:54:28,500 Yeah, I scale everything down to 128 pixels. And it was pretty 919 00:54:28,500 --> 00:54:31,650 arbitrary. To be honest, these phones are 240 by 320. I just 920 00:54:31,650 --> 00:54:35,550 wanted something that was large enough that I could scale it up 921 00:54:35,550 --> 00:54:37,950 a little bit if I needed to in certain contexts, but most of 922 00:54:37,950 --> 00:54:41,670 the time, it occupies, you know, maybe a quarter of width at 923 00:54:41,670 --> 00:54:45,330 most. And so it's just something that was it was going to be 924 00:54:45,330 --> 00:54:49,320 small enough, not too small. And usually with that, that size 925 00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:52,410 variable. I think I average if I look at my stats, I average like 926 00:54:52,410 --> 00:54:57,840 a 93% file size reduction and thumbnail images by scaling them 927 00:54:57,840 --> 00:54:58,440 down that way. 928 00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:01,500 Oh, well. Okay. Have you been to India? 929 00:55:03,179 --> 00:55:06,869 I have not heard plans to and then the pandemic then? Yeah, of 930 00:55:06,869 --> 00:55:07,349 course. 931 00:55:07,469 --> 00:55:10,919 And in India, you die and they burn you outside. So don't go. 932 00:55:11,339 --> 00:55:18,179 Yeah. What are you concerned at all about the long term 933 00:55:18,749 --> 00:55:22,529 viability of qx iOS as a as an operating system? I mean, I know 934 00:55:22,529 --> 00:55:25,589 there's some. I mean, I know it's been around a while, but 935 00:55:25,589 --> 00:55:30,149 also know that, and I think this is accurate from what I remember 936 00:55:30,149 --> 00:55:34,199 that Google provides, like, half their funding or more. 937 00:55:37,050 --> 00:55:39,600 Yeah, I don't know if they're, I mean, I know Google's invested 938 00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:41,550 in them. So I put $12 939 00:55:41,580 --> 00:55:44,220 million in or something at some point, if I remember. 940 00:55:45,270 --> 00:55:47,490 Yeah. I don't know what portion of their funding is attributed 941 00:55:47,490 --> 00:55:50,520 to companies like that? I wouldn't. I mean, I would say 942 00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:53,070 I'm not. I'm not too concerned about it. And there's a couple 943 00:55:53,070 --> 00:55:56,910 of reasons. One is the telcos worldwide are moving towards 4g 944 00:55:56,910 --> 00:56:00,630 as a minimum standard, going forward, this 2g, 3g network 945 00:56:00,630 --> 00:56:03,630 shutdowns across the world and even here in the US. And the 946 00:56:03,630 --> 00:56:06,150 other reason is, they're still half of the world's population 947 00:56:06,180 --> 00:56:10,200 unconnected to any form of network device, whether that's a 948 00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:13,950 phone or a computer, or like any internet capability. And so when 949 00:56:13,950 --> 00:56:15,960 people think about, you know, a lot of people talk about the 950 00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:17,970 future phone market as being something that's sort of 951 00:56:17,970 --> 00:56:22,470 transition transitionary or temporary. It might be, but it 952 00:56:22,470 --> 00:56:24,690 might not, I frankly, think we're talking about decades 953 00:56:24,690 --> 00:56:28,590 before we're anywhere near, you know, having everybody on a 954 00:56:28,590 --> 00:56:32,490 smartphone with electricity, and internet and all of that. So I 955 00:56:32,490 --> 00:56:33,450 think there's a long way to go. 956 00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:37,470 The I remember now, it was $22 million that Google invested in 957 00:56:37,470 --> 00:56:42,600 KY iOS, and they did it to have, you know, the integrate Google 958 00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:45,720 Search, Google Maps, YouTube, Google Assistant, Google 959 00:56:45,720 --> 00:56:50,940 Assistant, on CK iOS, is quite impressive. But of course, 960 00:56:51,390 --> 00:56:56,460 anyone who's using in America, a feature phone is anti Google, 961 00:56:57,240 --> 00:56:59,790 probably doesn't really want that feature. But I remember the 962 00:56:59,790 --> 00:57:02,190 Google Assistant being really good. 963 00:57:05,190 --> 00:57:07,620 Yeah, I think, Dave, you were asking a while ago, what we're 964 00:57:07,620 --> 00:57:09,840 doing about search. And that's actually one of the answers to 965 00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:13,200 that on Geo, they have their own version of this. And in the US, 966 00:57:13,410 --> 00:57:16,230 and around the world. They've got Google Assistant, you can 967 00:57:16,230 --> 00:57:19,500 hold down the center enter button. And I think after two or 968 00:57:19,500 --> 00:57:21,870 three seconds, a microphone will appear. And you can speak what 969 00:57:21,870 --> 00:57:25,110 you want. So I could say like, you know, podcasting 2.0. And 970 00:57:25,110 --> 00:57:27,360 then it'll put that into the input box, which is really 971 00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:29,160 powerful. Like you were saying whether or not you like Google 972 00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:30,660 ads. It's a really nice feature 973 00:57:30,839 --> 00:57:35,039 to have. Yeah. And they make that where does that API come 974 00:57:35,039 --> 00:57:39,059 from? Is that something that they coyote is baked in for on 975 00:57:39,059 --> 00:57:40,379 Google's behalf? Or is that 976 00:57:40,469 --> 00:57:43,739 for $20? million? For $20? million? That's what that's 977 00:57:43,739 --> 00:57:49,049 right. Hello, hey, hey, Google will bake in no problem. We'll 978 00:57:49,049 --> 00:57:51,929 bake it into the cookie dough, but we'll make you. 979 00:57:53,909 --> 00:57:56,189 Yeah, it's just part of the standard framework. If you have 980 00:57:56,189 --> 00:57:58,829 an input element, it's just there. I think you can disable 981 00:57:58,829 --> 00:58:02,819 it if you want to. So you know, if you want to get rid of that 982 00:58:02,819 --> 00:58:05,309 feature, and then they show a microphone icon, and that's 983 00:58:05,309 --> 00:58:07,199 actually a shadow element. If you talk about how that's 984 00:58:07,199 --> 00:58:10,079 implemented, like in the Shadow DOM, you can see that it's just 985 00:58:10,079 --> 00:58:13,079 like another, I don't know, gear for an SVG or something that 986 00:58:13,079 --> 00:58:14,339 they load over the input. 987 00:58:15,179 --> 00:58:20,339 It just blows my mind that on us, you'd have a feature phone 988 00:58:20,369 --> 00:58:26,249 with it has all these limited hardware. And the choice you 989 00:58:26,249 --> 00:58:31,709 make for that platform, as the iOS is essentially like a 990 00:58:31,709 --> 00:58:37,079 deconstructed browser instead of something like I don't know, 991 00:58:37,079 --> 00:58:39,899 some sort of real time or not real time though, as some sort 992 00:58:39,899 --> 00:58:45,209 of embeddable Oh, s like Q and x are in was at tins, and I forgot 993 00:58:45,209 --> 00:58:48,479 what Samson's thing like there's a lot of these embeddable OH S 994 00:58:48,479 --> 00:58:52,559 is and it is funny that they, that what you get with kaios is 995 00:58:52,559 --> 00:58:57,269 essentially a browser. But, but if you can do it that way, it 996 00:58:57,269 --> 00:59:00,689 makes so much sense. Because you just get all this sort of stuff 997 00:59:00,689 --> 00:59:06,209 for free, you get a really good layout with CSS, and you get all 998 00:59:06,209 --> 00:59:09,059 the standard browser, and you also get instant developer 999 00:59:09,059 --> 00:59:11,609 support because any front end developer could really kind of 1000 00:59:12,029 --> 00:59:14,549 understand it, even if the documentation is not that great. 1001 00:59:15,059 --> 00:59:17,639 Like, it makes so much sense. But it's still kind of blows my 1002 00:59:17,639 --> 00:59:21,539 mind that you can cram a browser into such limited constrained 1003 00:59:21,539 --> 00:59:22,229 hardware, 1004 00:59:22,619 --> 00:59:27,809 you know. Yeah, the, I mean, the history it's based on Firefox. 1005 00:59:27,809 --> 00:59:30,239 Oh, so under the hood, it's really just running the Firefox 1006 00:59:30,239 --> 00:59:33,419 browser. It's like you said, it's really interesting, 1007 00:59:33,569 --> 00:59:35,759 especially when you look at the newer devices coming out. 1008 00:59:35,909 --> 00:59:38,819 They're, they're pretty smooth. Now. You know, the early devices 1009 00:59:38,819 --> 00:59:40,799 like that banana phone that you might have had was a little 1010 00:59:40,799 --> 00:59:42,719 janky. But do long 1011 00:59:42,750 --> 00:59:48,210 Nokia 8110 Yeah, I have five of those. I ordered them all from 1012 00:59:48,210 --> 00:59:51,330 China, and none of them worked on the US networks, but they 1013 00:59:51,330 --> 00:59:54,630 were like 30 bucks like oh, yeah, there's the Nokia and I 1014 00:59:54,630 --> 00:59:57,630 got the one from the UK not and even though they said oh, yes, 1015 00:59:57,660 --> 01:00:01,680 working America very good as perfect system. He said with a 1016 01:00:01,680 --> 01:00:05,490 racist accent. And it didn't of course, but man, I love that I 1017 01:00:05,490 --> 01:00:07,620 had the original one the matrix phone. 1018 01:00:09,420 --> 01:00:12,120 Oh, yeah, they're, they're collector's items at this point. 1019 01:00:12,149 --> 01:00:16,019 Yeah. Like, there was a man Nokia had a phone that fit in 1020 01:00:16,019 --> 01:00:18,209 the palm of your hand back in the day. Do you remember that 1021 01:00:18,209 --> 01:00:18,539 one? 1022 01:00:20,099 --> 01:00:21,269 It sounds like a lot of them 1023 01:00:21,630 --> 01:00:24,630 now, but I mean, it was it was miniature. What was the 1024 01:00:25,170 --> 01:00:26,130 miniature Nokia? 1025 01:00:26,159 --> 01:00:29,279 I don't remember that Nokia when I had an Ericsson that would fit 1026 01:00:29,279 --> 01:00:31,499 in the palm of your hand. Oh, so tiny. This 1027 01:00:31,500 --> 01:00:37,470 was even smaller. This was even this was the 3310 mini 1028 01:00:39,119 --> 01:00:41,249 3310. Yeah, 1029 01:00:41,670 --> 01:00:44,310 it fits in between your thumb and your forefinger. 1030 01:00:45,150 --> 01:00:47,100 Are you kidding me? Yeah. Yeah, 1031 01:00:47,099 --> 01:00:49,529 you could you could barely make a phone call. You could? It was 1032 01:00:49,529 --> 01:00:54,329 impossible to text. Yeah, it was impossible to text. The other 1033 01:00:54,329 --> 01:00:57,389 thing they have a mini 2021. Now what is this? This is also a 1034 01:00:57,389 --> 01:01:01,979 mini mini? I can't tell. No, that's that's a smartphone. 1035 01:01:02,189 --> 01:01:06,659 Yeah, it's just oh, it was good times, man. Good times. 1036 01:01:08,220 --> 01:01:11,220 Yeah, that device looks crazy. Next, I gotta get that to run CK 1037 01:01:11,220 --> 01:01:13,380 iOS. Right? How does that wearable? 1038 01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:19,650 Even work? Your album mark can be? It can be 64 by 64 pixels. 1039 01:01:20,100 --> 01:01:26,160 Pixel pixels. Yes. That's about right. So what's your what is 1040 01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:28,860 your device lineup look like? I mean, you said you had an array 1041 01:01:28,860 --> 01:01:34,650 of phones? What? How do you make sure that that it looks decent 1042 01:01:34,650 --> 01:01:37,380 across everything? If you're in do you have to? I'm assuming, 1043 01:01:37,650 --> 01:01:39,990 I'm assuming here says you don't use the simulator. Did you have 1044 01:01:39,990 --> 01:01:43,050 to unplug? replug? Build? Unplug? replug? No, you have to 1045 01:01:43,050 --> 01:01:45,480 go through this pop up scenario. 1046 01:01:47,310 --> 01:01:50,190 Yes. So I actually one of the things that I did was spend the 1047 01:01:50,190 --> 01:01:53,850 time to make sure that the app works. The same build works on 1048 01:01:53,850 --> 01:01:56,250 all environment that doesn't matter whether it's a geophone 1049 01:01:56,250 --> 01:01:58,260 doesn't matter if it's an iOS phone doesn't matter if it's chi 1050 01:01:58,260 --> 01:02:01,860 was two, five or three Oh, so it's the same build runs 1051 01:02:01,860 --> 01:02:04,530 everywhere. And that took a little bit of extra time to do 1052 01:02:04,530 --> 01:02:08,190 all of that sort of detection, environment detection at 1053 01:02:08,190 --> 01:02:11,040 runtime, but it definitely helps me because I don't have to then 1054 01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:13,680 spend all this time thinking about managing five different 1055 01:02:13,680 --> 01:02:16,860 builds. And then my life literally got like these things 1056 01:02:16,860 --> 01:02:20,250 sitting on the floor. I've got that that baby the the 8110 4g 1057 01:02:20,250 --> 01:02:24,330 The Matrix phone and yellow. I've gotten to geophones. I've 1058 01:02:24,330 --> 01:02:29,580 got two Alcatel flip phones. I've got some one from Europe. 1059 01:02:29,610 --> 01:02:31,980 That was I don't know how this it was like a prototype model 1060 01:02:31,980 --> 01:02:34,830 that was on eBay that I saw and I bought it came pre routed 1061 01:02:34,830 --> 01:02:37,500 which was amazing. I didn't have to do anything like came with Su 1062 01:02:37,500 --> 01:02:42,090 and salt. Yeah, and then I've got a couple others I got like 1063 01:02:42,090 --> 01:02:44,850 this blue phone. That's an absolute piece of trash. It 1064 01:02:44,850 --> 01:02:49,230 sells for like 30 bucks. It it sounds awful on it because it's 1065 01:02:49,230 --> 01:02:52,110 got I think a moto speaker on the back. And so you listen to 1066 01:02:52,110 --> 01:02:55,800 it and everything sounds like you're listening to tinfoil. But 1067 01:02:55,800 --> 01:02:58,590 yeah, using the whole array, it's pretty easy to test and 1068 01:02:58,590 --> 01:03:01,260 then I don't always test it on everything because the screen 1069 01:03:01,260 --> 01:03:04,110 size is the same for every device, every screen resolution 1070 01:03:04,110 --> 01:03:08,280 rather not size. So yeah, I don't really have to do too much 1071 01:03:08,280 --> 01:03:11,820 in terms of layout conformity, but definitely some around like 1072 01:03:11,820 --> 01:03:14,010 feature capability. I was testing the geophones, 1073 01:03:14,250 --> 01:03:18,240 performance and that kind of thing. Yeah. Yeah, that so what 1074 01:03:18,240 --> 01:03:21,060 like so if the screens are the same resolution, I guess they 1075 01:03:21,060 --> 01:03:23,700 just stretch them and sort of adapt them to a little bit 1076 01:03:23,790 --> 01:03:25,710 different format. 1077 01:03:27,060 --> 01:03:31,980 Yeah, every screen is 240 by 320. And then the only only 1078 01:03:31,980 --> 01:03:34,890 exception to that rule is the geophone. Two with the keyboard, 1079 01:03:35,040 --> 01:03:37,140 which is just left with 320 by 240. 1080 01:03:37,740 --> 01:03:42,090 Oh, sideways, okay, I guess Yep. Yeah, that's you essentially, 1081 01:03:42,090 --> 01:03:45,660 guys, so what you have is like a, an old school like GarageBand 1082 01:03:45,660 --> 01:03:48,000 pedal board with like, you know, all the all this lineup of 1083 01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:52,320 devices on it, like, distortion pedals plan Jurina. That's 1084 01:03:52,320 --> 01:03:52,680 funny. 1085 01:03:53,969 --> 01:03:55,919 Yeah, I definitely you're talking about the different 1086 01:03:55,949 --> 01:03:59,609 classes. I have a couple other Nokia phones. And I've been 1087 01:03:59,609 --> 01:04:02,129 thinking someday about trying to make one for one of those real 1088 01:04:02,129 --> 01:04:05,069 time iOS is something with like, you know, like eight megabytes 1089 01:04:05,069 --> 01:04:08,069 of RAM. How would you even make that work? And so that that 1090 01:04:08,069 --> 01:04:10,769 would be a really interesting challenge to have to, to work 1091 01:04:10,769 --> 01:04:11,099 through. 1092 01:04:11,519 --> 01:04:13,349 assembly language, all assembly language. 1093 01:04:14,820 --> 01:04:16,350 Sounds maintainable? Yes, 1094 01:04:16,349 --> 01:04:20,219 yes. So do you have like some kind of build pipeline that you 1095 01:04:20,219 --> 01:04:23,519 have that where you like, push out a build and it and it 1096 01:04:23,729 --> 01:04:27,299 adapted for each one of those different devices? You said? He 1097 01:04:27,299 --> 01:04:29,129 said, so that you don't have to build uniques 1098 01:04:30,690 --> 01:04:33,600 it's the same build everywhere. So it's the same compiled 1099 01:04:33,600 --> 01:04:37,140 JavaScript, whether it's running on one phone or the other. So 1100 01:04:37,140 --> 01:04:39,330 that's, that's pretty easy to manage. And I use roll up for 1101 01:04:39,330 --> 01:04:42,960 the build process, which I think is fine. I haven't invested too 1102 01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:45,540 much time into the different tools, but I know there's at one 1103 01:04:45,540 --> 01:04:47,610 point I use webpack. There's like a million out there now. 1104 01:04:48,210 --> 01:04:53,760 Yeah. Webpack thanks so much. Sorry, sorry, the JavaScript 1105 01:04:53,760 --> 01:04:56,310 guys but Webpack is a steaming pile of garbage. 1106 01:04:58,800 --> 01:05:01,350 This developer talk is So sexy keep going. 1107 01:05:01,740 --> 01:05:05,250 Sorry. As I see the floor to you. Yeah. 1108 01:05:06,150 --> 01:05:10,830 Well, no, I, I guess the the before we get to our break here 1109 01:05:10,830 --> 01:05:13,410 and thank a couple people, is there anything else that we 1110 01:05:13,410 --> 01:05:15,330 could do to make it more efficient for you? 1111 01:05:19,140 --> 01:05:21,150 Yeah, that's a really interesting question. I think 1112 01:05:21,150 --> 01:05:24,270 you've already done a lot, like I mentioned through alternative 1113 01:05:24,270 --> 01:05:29,280 enclosures and images. I'll have to have to give it a little bit 1114 01:05:29,280 --> 01:05:32,160 more thought. But I think, like, I definitely see it going in the 1115 01:05:32,160 --> 01:05:35,310 right direction. There hasn't been, you know, I haven't 1116 01:05:35,310 --> 01:05:37,950 supported every tag yet, partly because of time. And partly 1117 01:05:37,950 --> 01:05:41,490 because some of the constraints on these devices like real time 1118 01:05:41,490 --> 01:05:45,270 streaming is definitely a whole different can of worms than, you 1119 01:05:45,270 --> 01:05:49,200 know, just loading like a an mp3. But yeah, I think if 1120 01:05:49,200 --> 01:05:51,960 anything, it's just the awareness of this will help 1121 01:05:51,960 --> 01:05:54,960 podcasters understand. And then at some point, I'd like to help 1122 01:05:54,960 --> 01:05:58,230 build tools to show people what it would look like on pot LP, or 1123 01:05:58,230 --> 01:06:01,530 other apps so that they can get an appreciation for the places 1124 01:06:01,530 --> 01:06:04,470 their podcast could be. And that'll help them think about 1125 01:06:04,470 --> 01:06:07,830 like, whether you're talking about names or descriptions or 1126 01:06:07,830 --> 01:06:10,620 images or anything like that. I know, like pod news, for 1127 01:06:10,620 --> 01:06:13,260 example, they were doing podcast images, and it was really cool 1128 01:06:13,260 --> 01:06:17,370 how they adapted the logo to go from one that includes like word 1129 01:06:17,370 --> 01:06:20,340 marks and a full detail to one that when it gets scaled down to 1130 01:06:20,340 --> 01:06:22,740 like 300 or less is just iconography. 1131 01:06:23,040 --> 01:06:25,920 I love that I love I love it when they take when people take 1132 01:06:25,920 --> 01:06:28,710 time to really care about the different sizes, and they just 1133 01:06:28,710 --> 01:06:29,220 run it through 1134 01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:34,110 like that. He's very good about it, because I think the RSS 1135 01:06:34,110 --> 01:06:38,640 generator creates one thumbnail, but I probably I probably 1136 01:06:38,640 --> 01:06:44,010 haven't really focused on as a creator of this. I haven't been 1137 01:06:44,010 --> 01:06:47,610 educated been schooled. Exactly on I mean, I understand the 1138 01:06:47,610 --> 01:06:50,820 concept. Let me just see, because we have it podcasting. 1139 01:06:50,850 --> 01:06:57,870 2.0 I think we had ones auto generated. What sizes and I 1140 01:06:57,870 --> 01:07:01,440 guess I can put more in and so is there is there standard? Here 1141 01:07:01,440 --> 01:07:02,070 it is I've got 1142 01:07:05,400 --> 01:07:07,230 what is this at some time at the genie? 1143 01:07:07,560 --> 01:07:14,730 Yeah, exactly. The 816 pixels. That's the width. I'm not quite 1144 01:07:14,730 --> 01:07:18,330 sure I understand all of this. So I bet I can add one here. So 1145 01:07:18,330 --> 01:07:24,510 what sizes do you need? So I can do this the right way? How do I 1146 01:07:24,510 --> 01:07:29,370 find out about this? So I put that in all of my. Yeah, so I 1147 01:07:29,370 --> 01:07:32,490 put it in all of my, my systems. 1148 01:07:33,690 --> 01:07:37,710 Yeah, I think podcasting the the 2.0 icon scales down pretty 1149 01:07:37,710 --> 01:07:40,590 well, just the way it is. But if you're, if you're a podcaster 1150 01:07:40,590 --> 01:07:43,200 out there, and you've got like wordmarks, or like really 1151 01:07:43,200 --> 01:07:46,770 detailed images, where you need to see sort of the nuance, but 1152 01:07:46,950 --> 01:07:49,830 just scale it down to 300 by 300. And then scale down again 1153 01:07:49,830 --> 01:07:53,190 to 128 by 128. And see what it looks like, if it looks good on 1154 01:07:53,190 --> 01:07:55,710 your computer, then great, it's probably fine. If it's like a 1155 01:07:55,710 --> 01:08:00,600 really, you know, high key sort of saturated icon based image, 1156 01:08:00,750 --> 01:08:02,940 it'll probably be fine. But if you've got like a really 1157 01:08:02,940 --> 01:08:06,000 detailed photograph that you're using, maybe of a person or a 1158 01:08:06,000 --> 01:08:08,910 place, just think about what that will look like when you 1159 01:08:08,910 --> 01:08:11,640 scale it down to something like 128. And if it if it doesn't 1160 01:08:11,640 --> 01:08:14,730 look right, then you might need to make some changes to how to 1161 01:08:14,730 --> 01:08:15,420 get presented. 1162 01:08:16,830 --> 01:08:19,800 You know, what would be great is to have like some like a, I 1163 01:08:19,800 --> 01:08:21,630 don't know, if you do stuff like this Thomas, but have like some 1164 01:08:21,630 --> 01:08:25,560 kind of blog post or something where you sort of go over a 1165 01:08:25,560 --> 01:08:32,820 thumbnail sketch of what the perfect set of constraints for 1166 01:08:32,820 --> 01:08:38,880 an RSS feed would look like to be presentable on pod LPs to 9 1167 01:08:38,880 --> 01:08:44,250 million. Yeah, yet image art of this album are the days this 1168 01:08:44,250 --> 01:08:49,620 resolution, using the end, use the images tag, you know, use 1169 01:08:49,620 --> 01:08:52,080 alternate enclosure with a couple of with these specific 1170 01:08:52,080 --> 01:08:54,990 bit rates, like something like that would be fantastic. We ever 1171 01:08:54,990 --> 01:08:57,930 had time because then we could, you know, push that out there 1172 01:08:57,930 --> 01:09:01,740 and make just raise awareness that these, this is such a big 1173 01:09:01,740 --> 01:09:02,190 market. 1174 01:09:04,170 --> 01:09:06,690 That's a great idea. Yeah, we've got a blog at blog dot Patel 1175 01:09:06,690 --> 01:09:09,690 p.com definitely could use more love, I don't post there very 1176 01:09:09,690 --> 01:09:14,010 frequently. So that's a good one to post about to show both the 1177 01:09:14,010 --> 01:09:16,620 imagery, like you were saying, and then sort of behind the 1178 01:09:16,620 --> 01:09:18,690 scenes what that would look like, you know, right now it's a 1179 01:09:18,690 --> 01:09:21,000 little bit tricky, because I don't I don't think I know of a 1180 01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:23,550 podcast host that supports images, but I don't, I also 1181 01:09:23,550 --> 01:09:25,800 don't see why they wouldn't moving forward because at the 1182 01:09:25,800 --> 01:09:27,990 very least if all you do is scale down the album art, 1183 01:09:28,140 --> 01:09:30,180 they're gonna save money on bandwidth in the future. Because 1184 01:09:30,390 --> 01:09:32,340 if you click in and all you see is the thumbnail and you don't 1185 01:09:32,340 --> 01:09:34,890 go to the details and load the full image. And that's, you 1186 01:09:34,890 --> 01:09:37,740 know, like I said 93% of bandwidth on that image they're 1187 01:09:37,740 --> 01:09:38,820 not loading and paying for. 1188 01:09:39,060 --> 01:09:43,680 And I encourage you to highlight any of the podcasts that show 1189 01:09:43,710 --> 01:09:48,660 all of the tags in use on the CK iOS device. Now there's this 1190 01:09:48,690 --> 01:09:52,290 very popular Indian podcaster His name is curry and he has a 1191 01:09:52,290 --> 01:09:54,960 number of podcasts and you should you should consider you 1192 01:09:54,960 --> 01:09:57,630 consider highlighting some of those shows to show off what 1193 01:09:57,630 --> 01:09:59,100 podcasting really can do. 1194 01:10:00,690 --> 01:10:06,930 That's the owner of curry.com. Right? Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I 1195 01:10:06,930 --> 01:10:08,490 heard that somewhere. I don't I don't recall. But 1196 01:10:08,490 --> 01:10:12,600 in all seriousness, you know, I'm, I'm just somebody who 1197 01:10:12,600 --> 01:10:16,860 probably should ask all app developers is anytime that you 1198 01:10:16,860 --> 01:10:22,350 can highlight any podcasting 2.0 compatible show now and maybe 1199 01:10:22,350 --> 01:10:26,700 say, Hey, look at the future of podcasting. And this is what you 1200 01:10:26,700 --> 01:10:29,790 can do now. Hey, are you a podcaster? You can do this. 1201 01:10:29,820 --> 01:10:30,960 Learn more here? 1202 01:10:32,370 --> 01:10:37,140 Yep. Yeah, that's a good point. I think I remember pinging the 1203 01:10:37,170 --> 01:10:39,540 your Twitter handle, I think maybe Dave, you respond to that 1204 01:10:39,540 --> 01:10:42,150 when I was when I was starting to build some of the support for 1205 01:10:42,150 --> 01:10:45,480 different tags. I was like, hey, what podcast do I use to test 1206 01:10:45,480 --> 01:10:47,430 this on? Like, is there one actually out there that I can 1207 01:10:47,430 --> 01:10:47,880 use? 1208 01:10:50,370 --> 01:10:53,100 I don't remember which one I gave you. Probably John. Jg 1209 01:10:53,250 --> 01:10:56,400 because he he's, he's more raves. He's a bigger builder at 1210 01:10:56,400 --> 01:10:58,590 the beginning than we were. Yeah. Yeah. 1211 01:10:58,680 --> 01:11:00,810 We finally got all the tags. So yeah, 1212 01:11:01,020 --> 01:11:05,070 no, I know, you get a heart out, Thomas. And coming up in do we 1213 01:11:05,070 --> 01:11:06,600 want to go ahead and thank some people. Yeah. Do 1214 01:11:06,600 --> 01:11:08,850 you want to hang around while we do this? Thomas, we can we can 1215 01:11:08,850 --> 01:11:12,090 say goodbye after that. Yeah, sounds good. Okay, this is the 1216 01:11:12,090 --> 01:11:17,550 most fun part of the show. It is. This is a value for value 1217 01:11:17,550 --> 01:11:21,300 project, the whole project is value for value. So not just the 1218 01:11:21,300 --> 01:11:25,380 podcast, but everything that you heard us talking about is all 1219 01:11:25,380 --> 01:11:29,310 supported by people who either want to support the project or 1220 01:11:29,340 --> 01:11:31,860 in the project. That's where most of our support comes from. 1221 01:11:32,160 --> 01:11:36,570 And you can do that through a number of means. You can boost 1222 01:11:36,570 --> 01:11:40,140 us through any modern podcast app at new podcast apps calm, 1223 01:11:40,410 --> 01:11:45,240 but we also fully accept Fiat fun coupon so as long as they're 1224 01:11:45,240 --> 01:11:49,860 good, as through our paper, which you can find a podcast 1225 01:11:49,860 --> 01:11:52,710 index.org on the bottom Big Red donate button. Who do we think 1226 01:11:52,710 --> 01:11:53,370 this week Dave? 1227 01:11:54,480 --> 01:11:59,100 Well, right out of the gate. Marco Arment. $500. Yeah. 1228 01:12:00,450 --> 01:12:03,090 Yes, every month, man, thank you so much, Marco. 1229 01:12:03,540 --> 01:12:09,330 Yeah. And I'm just gonna, I'm hoping I'm pretty sure he said 1230 01:12:09,330 --> 01:12:12,960 he was working on chapters a while back soon as soon as he 1231 01:12:13,140 --> 01:12:17,820 puts in the first podcasting 2.0 Tag support. It's all over. All 1232 01:12:17,820 --> 01:12:20,670 over. I'm going to work. I'm going to work hard on getting 1233 01:12:20,670 --> 01:12:23,610 him on the show. So we can we can talk about it. Oh, 1234 01:12:24,120 --> 01:12:27,480 that'd be cool. That would be a good get, as we say in the 1235 01:12:27,480 --> 01:12:28,050 business. 1236 01:12:28,500 --> 01:12:30,810 He does. I think he does shows every now and then. Yeah, very 1237 01:12:30,810 --> 01:12:34,500 often. But yeah. Thank you, Mark. I really appreciate it. 1238 01:12:34,500 --> 01:12:37,140 That's one of the biggest sustaining donations that we 1239 01:12:37,140 --> 01:12:41,400 have on a monthly basis. And Mike this is all over the map 1240 01:12:41,460 --> 01:12:44,820 the ad usually everything nice to separate a bit it's just a 1241 01:12:44,820 --> 01:12:49,740 big pile of paper right now. Michael Gagan give us $5 And and 1242 01:12:49,740 --> 01:12:53,520 I think yeah Michael gun he's a monthly supporter. Thank you 1243 01:12:53,520 --> 01:12:57,690 Michael. Charles current give us $5 That's a monthly 1244 01:12:58,289 --> 01:13:01,589 as these things matter a lot that's a whole server. 1245 01:13:02,039 --> 01:13:08,009 Yeah, it is yeah the $5 servers at five bucks pays for a one of 1246 01:13:08,009 --> 01:13:13,349 our ingest mesh core one of our meant core search boxes 1247 01:13:13,589 --> 01:13:16,169 Hey and even with Is there any inflation on that yet from 1248 01:13:16,169 --> 01:13:16,739 Linode? 1249 01:13:17,550 --> 01:13:21,120 No, no, they were they somehow managed to resist the 1250 01:13:21,120 --> 01:13:26,790 inflationary pressure. Oh good. It's PPP money. Chris bars Ron's 1251 01:13:26,790 --> 01:13:32,010 and is 2552 Nice little new. We call it numerology Palindrome, 1252 01:13:32,280 --> 01:13:41,340 Palindrome that's it. It says go podcasting. Indeed. Thank you, 1253 01:13:41,340 --> 01:13:45,120 Chris, that Timothy Hudgens. My buddy, give us $25 That's a 1254 01:13:45,120 --> 01:13:50,250 recurring monthly. Thank you, Tim. Might be sent in and I'm 1255 01:13:50,250 --> 01:13:55,440 not sure David would find. Give us $3 That he's a monthly Thank 1256 01:13:55,440 --> 01:13:58,980 you, David. Oh, we got a new automatic get a new monthly 1257 01:13:58,980 --> 01:14:03,150 subscription from and I'm thinking this is the yep, this 1258 01:14:03,150 --> 01:14:10,020 Dutch dollar a month but his name is vessel. Proust. 1259 01:14:10,470 --> 01:14:13,530 Is it vessels The first one was the last name I spell it? 1260 01:14:13,950 --> 01:14:20,190 Tr o s t roast? Roast? Yes. That's a tourist. Is it is that 1261 01:14:20,190 --> 01:14:21,810 perfect? Didn't I nail Yeah, you 1262 01:14:21,810 --> 01:14:24,090 Nailed it. Nailed it. You're Dutchman now. 1263 01:14:24,480 --> 01:14:26,490 Okay, he's from from the Netherlands. Thank 1264 01:14:26,490 --> 01:14:27,000 you vessel 1265 01:14:27,480 --> 01:14:34,110 Yeah. Let's see Oh, survive on the mastodon survived lavosh He 1266 01:14:34,110 --> 01:14:38,460 gave us $5 That's a monthly donation. He's that they're 1267 01:14:38,460 --> 01:14:40,830 still working on their podcast system there. 1268 01:14:40,919 --> 01:14:41,939 Now. What are they working on? 1269 01:14:43,320 --> 01:14:46,470 This I had a meeting with with his house and he was coming is 1270 01:14:46,470 --> 01:14:46,680 it. 1271 01:14:47,190 --> 01:14:49,650 You had a meeting and you didn't invite me? No, 1272 01:14:49,650 --> 01:14:54,210 no, it's just like two months. Yeah. Soon thing. I'm not I'm 1273 01:14:54,210 --> 01:14:55,740 not allowed to have meetings. 1274 01:14:56,310 --> 01:14:58,080 Meetings without me know 1275 01:15:00,750 --> 01:15:04,380 Let's see Keith Gibson, big supporter if for a long time 1276 01:15:04,380 --> 01:15:11,640 give us $50 As a $50 Thank you, Keith. Dwayne Goldy long timer 1277 01:15:11,700 --> 01:15:18,540 $8 $8 a month. Thank you for joining Paul Erskine. $11.14 1278 01:15:19,110 --> 01:15:20,310 That's another monthly Thank you. 1279 01:15:20,430 --> 01:15:21,210 Interesting number. 1280 01:15:21,660 --> 01:15:25,440 Thank you. Oh, yeah, he missed it it added up at the end of the 1281 01:15:25,440 --> 01:15:27,480 year you total them all up and it adds up to something. 1282 01:15:27,510 --> 01:15:30,450 Oh, he's got an annual donation got it. Cool. Yeah. 1283 01:15:31,470 --> 01:15:36,930 Oh, here we go. Benjamin Bellamy. Our buddy yes off. 50 1284 01:15:37,020 --> 01:15:42,270 gives $50 Oh, thanks. says thank you for your unwavering 1285 01:15:42,270 --> 01:15:46,200 dedication to keep podcasting open. Happy podcasting. 2.0 A 1286 01:15:46,200 --> 01:15:48,600 year ago podcasting Viva la boos. Yes. 1287 01:15:52,140 --> 01:15:58,980 And now as the French say, it is timeful loose. It must hurt a 1288 01:15:58,980 --> 01:16:04,830 Frenchman to do the accentuated French accent as a gag It must 1289 01:16:04,830 --> 01:16:07,440 hurt him it's really appreciated Benjamin Thank you. 1290 01:16:08,670 --> 01:16:12,960 I think he gets loads of amusement from it probably yes 1291 01:16:12,960 --> 01:16:13,590 yes yeah, the 1292 01:16:13,590 --> 01:16:16,140 French are so much smarter than we are this you just above it. 1293 01:16:16,170 --> 01:16:19,920 Oh yes, I make them laugh. Little American podcast people's 1294 01:16:20,280 --> 01:16:23,700 plebes flips the podcast plebs. 1295 01:16:24,540 --> 01:16:27,900 Okay, we've got a new we guess those are papers we get some 1296 01:16:27,900 --> 01:16:32,220 booster grams that we get Yeah, we've also got a new new jingle 1297 01:16:32,250 --> 01:16:33,960 Oh hello. 1298 01:16:34,830 --> 01:16:35,940 from Cali bear 1299 01:16:35,940 --> 01:16:42,720 I seem to I seem to hear him both post from last week. Love 1300 01:16:42,720 --> 01:16:42,840 it 1301 01:16:49,320 --> 01:16:50,070 nice 1302 01:16:53,040 --> 01:16:55,050 cows loading this up man it's like a Training 1303 01:16:56,160 --> 01:17:00,030 link to that is in the show notes it's the boost bait link 1304 01:17:00,060 --> 01:17:01,140 if you're looking for it 1305 01:17:01,770 --> 01:17:04,800 don't you want to do this tom? Thomas Don't you want to get on 1306 01:17:04,830 --> 01:17:08,280 get in on the on the boosting link and sets booster gram train 1307 01:17:08,790 --> 01:17:09,300 it's awesome 1308 01:17:12,150 --> 01:17:14,040 Thomas's like left the room 1309 01:17:16,710 --> 01:17:21,510 No, yeah. Like I said I it's a different world for me. I don't 1310 01:17:22,260 --> 01:17:24,690 I don't know how can I accept crypto payment on iOS? 1311 01:17:25,470 --> 01:17:29,070 We give we don't understand any of the details we just give you 1312 01:17:29,070 --> 01:17:32,160 a rational pressure to try to make you do thing that's just 1313 01:17:32,160 --> 01:17:32,940 how it works around you. 1314 01:17:34,590 --> 01:17:37,170 We can show you we can show you how to do that with wallets and 1315 01:17:37,170 --> 01:17:39,090 everything when when you're ready for Thomas. 1316 01:17:39,450 --> 01:17:47,610 Yeah, yeah. A breeze anonymous 6969 SAS showed show donation 1317 01:17:47,610 --> 01:17:52,350 from last week. Nice and the message is simply boost boosts 1318 01:17:55,050 --> 01:18:01,800 what we got here up drips got 10,000 SATs go podcasting. 1319 01:18:01,830 --> 01:18:07,200 Yeah thank you Dr. Scott man the Bruce Wayne is podcasting 2.0 1320 01:18:08,760 --> 01:18:13,020 He's like can I do more can I like you know change your tires 1321 01:18:13,020 --> 01:18:16,650 I'll do anything I want to do more for podcasting 2.0 dread 1322 01:18:16,920 --> 01:18:21,390 you are going above and beyond brother above and beyond. He's 1323 01:18:21,390 --> 01:18:25,800 the the the chapter factory una chapter good names a good name 1324 01:18:25,800 --> 01:18:29,010 chapter factory and even 1325 01:18:29,700 --> 01:18:36,300 blueberry gave us the fountain gave us a 12 by 12,121 says One 1326 01:18:36,300 --> 01:18:41,880 to One to One. Thank you Palindrome one boost to boost 1327 01:18:41,880 --> 01:18:43,230 red boost blue boost 1328 01:18:43,230 --> 01:18:44,220 yeah 1329 01:18:46,170 --> 01:18:52,080 as a lyricist we get some new names in here by the way too. We 1330 01:18:52,080 --> 01:18:57,240 got see through fountain you got a 3330 sets from somebody named 1331 01:18:57,270 --> 01:18:58,290 horn loaded 1332 01:18:59,310 --> 01:19:02,310 no one load has been around I think so no agenda person maybe 1333 01:19:02,730 --> 01:19:06,990 okay my rep was dragged was pushing boosting on no agenda 1334 01:19:06,990 --> 01:19:10,200 social pretty hard so I think he's he's pushing people the 1335 01:19:10,200 --> 01:19:13,260 Rogan appearance may start to kick in a little bit this stuff 1336 01:19:13,260 --> 01:19:15,540 there it comes in waves go slow 1337 01:19:15,930 --> 01:19:21,000 yeah dread doing doing more even more work? Go podcasting is what 1338 01:19:21,000 --> 01:19:28,470 Hornet is Yeah. Here we go. Mere Mortals podcast. This is from 1339 01:19:28,470 --> 01:19:34,920 our buddy Kyron 4321 SAS 4321 through fountain A says, Does 1340 01:19:35,280 --> 01:19:39,480 does this hinted at company as the ability to onboard people 1341 01:19:39,480 --> 01:19:42,960 worldwide. I would love to give specific instructions to 1342 01:19:42,960 --> 01:19:46,950 listeners and what needs to change based on location. always 1343 01:19:46,980 --> 01:19:50,790 hearing about cool things until the end sentence is except if 1344 01:19:50,790 --> 01:19:56,130 you live in X. I know this pain all too well where we're the 1345 01:19:56,130 --> 01:20:01,560 world's taint. Australia, the world's team I like, and I'll be 1346 01:20:01,560 --> 01:20:03,150 at extremely large and testerone. 1347 01:20:05,310 --> 01:20:07,950 Did you put that in his note? Yes, yes. 1348 01:20:08,820 --> 01:20:11,850 Australia is the origin testerone filled tank of the 1349 01:20:11,850 --> 01:20:12,570 world. Hey, 1350 01:20:12,600 --> 01:20:17,940 this is a tight mate. So we actually had a meeting with with 1351 01:20:17,940 --> 01:20:23,340 said company, and which was interesting. We we learned a lot 1352 01:20:23,340 --> 01:20:29,400 about their business. And where we're at right now is, indeed 1353 01:20:29,400 --> 01:20:32,400 they would like to do it worldwide. I don't know if they 1354 01:20:32,400 --> 01:20:35,520 actually have that mechanism. It seemed like they don't have it 1355 01:20:35,520 --> 01:20:38,340 yet. But that that is the intent. And we discussed that 1356 01:20:38,340 --> 01:20:39,150 specifically. 1357 01:20:39,750 --> 01:20:43,080 Yeah. And there seemed like part of it and they work in the other 1358 01:20:43,140 --> 01:20:44,880 and part of it might not. 1359 01:20:45,420 --> 01:20:50,730 Yeah, well, the one part that may actually work is that you 1360 01:20:50,730 --> 01:20:54,180 know, what they want to do is very simple. A sign up bonus, 1361 01:20:54,180 --> 01:20:59,160 you sign up to buy bitcoin through them, they give you $5 A 1362 01:20:59,190 --> 01:21:04,140 free insets right into your podcast wallet. That's the idea. 1363 01:21:05,940 --> 01:21:09,660 So we'll have to talk about the tank territories. 1364 01:21:11,280 --> 01:21:12,120 Territories 1365 01:21:12,180 --> 01:21:16,710 these guys seem like they want to move fast. So we're, we'll 1366 01:21:16,770 --> 01:21:20,130 we'll keep you posted. I'm sure hope so. But I understand that 1367 01:21:20,130 --> 01:21:22,830 and I know it's one of Cleveland's biggest complaints 1368 01:21:22,830 --> 01:21:28,740 and this rightly so. But this is a There you go this is the this 1369 01:21:28,740 --> 01:21:32,010 is this is a problem that Bitcoin solves everybody can use 1370 01:21:32,010 --> 01:21:36,030 Bitcoin all over the world right now today sending value to any 1371 01:21:36,030 --> 01:21:38,220 podcast or anywhere in the world. And 1372 01:21:38,490 --> 01:21:41,340 the problem the problem here is not the Bitcoin The problem here 1373 01:21:41,340 --> 01:21:43,560 is the traditional banking and finance 1374 01:21:43,589 --> 01:21:47,669 industry. Yes, so but you can buy bitcoin somewhere in 1375 01:21:47,669 --> 01:21:49,079 Australia, I presume? 1376 01:21:49,680 --> 01:21:57,390 Yes. hardhat give us 22 To 22 22,222 SATs road ducks oh yes 1377 01:21:57,390 --> 01:21:58,800 is happy content 1378 01:22:06,570 --> 01:22:10,800 chair Pharaoh gave us 3333 sets through fountain he says All 1379 01:22:10,800 --> 01:22:12,570 Aboard trains good planes bad. 1380 01:22:13,560 --> 01:22:15,540 Oh shoot man. Oh, you 1381 01:22:15,540 --> 01:22:17,100 didn't have it loaded up? No. 1382 01:22:17,370 --> 01:22:20,400 How do I know that? Oh, yeah, they're gonna hear me go. 1383 01:22:21,750 --> 01:22:31,200 Trains planes anonymous threw breeze gave us a row of ducks. 1384 01:22:31,200 --> 01:22:34,710 2222 And he says great new row of ducks. Boost jingle Yeah, 1385 01:22:34,740 --> 01:22:35,700 we'd like it a lot. 1386 01:22:39,840 --> 01:22:45,780 Brian of London through curio caster said he gets a 19,400 ad 1387 01:22:45,780 --> 01:22:50,220 sets. He says add up my boost amount for that mention. Adam, 1388 01:22:50,220 --> 01:22:53,160 thank you. I would honestly say that your words about pod paying 1389 01:22:53,160 --> 01:22:55,020 are the best thing I've ever been told about anything I've 1390 01:22:55,020 --> 01:22:58,440 ever built on a computer even beyond my PhD. It means a huge 1391 01:22:58,440 --> 01:22:59,070 amount to me. 1392 01:22:59,940 --> 01:23:05,460 Wow, a heartfelt note. Well, and it just so happens. I do have 1393 01:23:05,940 --> 01:23:10,140 diplomas that I hand out for for these occasions so that not only 1394 01:23:10,830 --> 01:23:13,770 was it a better feeling than your PhD, I will top it with a 1395 01:23:13,770 --> 01:23:18,330 very nice certificate. But it's but I meant it. Brian and I 1396 01:23:18,330 --> 01:23:21,390 appreciate you using the booster Graham to contribute content to 1397 01:23:21,390 --> 01:23:21,840 the show. 1398 01:23:22,620 --> 01:23:28,080 Yeah. Thank you. Thank you Brian and Alex for all yes work you're 1399 01:23:28,080 --> 01:23:30,870 putting into Park pod paying it's it's killer using pod ping 1400 01:23:30,870 --> 01:23:31,710 in any way. Thomas. 1401 01:23:33,450 --> 01:23:35,940 I was actually just exploring that this past week to figure 1402 01:23:35,940 --> 01:23:39,330 out the best way to connect it to our systems. Okay, so I 1403 01:23:39,330 --> 01:23:40,860 definitely plan to in the near future. 1404 01:23:41,760 --> 01:23:44,940 Hit me up with any thing you need. I mean, it's all very 1405 01:23:44,940 --> 01:23:48,330 simplistic from the consumption and so I can I can give you code 1406 01:23:48,330 --> 01:23:50,700 or whatever, you know, whatever you need for to make that 1407 01:23:50,700 --> 01:23:57,360 happen. It's very simple. John, John's wbrt gave us 49 For 1408 01:23:57,360 --> 01:24:03,960 90 49,490 sets. Wow fountain, he says putts ah making up for last 1409 01:24:03,960 --> 01:24:09,390 week. Nice John's you're you're redeemed. That's a good player 1410 01:24:09,390 --> 01:24:09,990 he redeemed 1411 01:24:10,020 --> 01:24:13,380 yes that's that's a nice dollar amount that's good Fiat fun 1412 01:24:13,380 --> 01:24:13,920 stuff. 1413 01:24:15,780 --> 01:24:19,800 Brian mozzie give us 2222 Road ducks through fountain he says 1414 01:24:19,800 --> 01:24:20,610 boost 1415 01:24:22,230 --> 01:24:25,110 I got to record you saying that sometime because that's that's 1416 01:24:25,110 --> 01:24:25,980 getting pretty good. 1417 01:24:27,240 --> 01:24:33,900 I'm working on it. Sir bargy gave us 1500 sets and he says go 1418 01:24:33,900 --> 01:24:43,470 podcasting. He said he gets technically it could be SEO sir 1419 01:24:43,470 --> 01:24:50,850 bargy again. 1500 sets go podcasting. Sir Bill 2222 Road 1420 01:24:50,850 --> 01:24:53,580 ducks through fountain he says couldn't stop laughing at the 1421 01:24:53,580 --> 01:24:53,850 duck 1422 01:24:56,970 --> 01:24:57,690 like it too. 1423 01:24:58,169 --> 01:25:02,609 Yeah, you're a psychic my friend. Signs of new growth. 1424 01:25:03,059 --> 01:25:05,549 Interesting. I guess that's I think that's the name of part of 1425 01:25:05,549 --> 01:25:10,229 a podcast. Give us a 33,333 says Holy 1426 01:25:10,290 --> 01:25:12,270 cow. Very nice. Thank you. 1427 01:25:13,050 --> 01:25:19,380 In the messages, signs of new sets sounds a new growth. I'm 1428 01:25:19,380 --> 01:25:21,000 pretty sure that's a podcast. Yeah, it 1429 01:25:21,000 --> 01:25:22,890 sounds like it sounds right. Yeah. 1430 01:25:23,910 --> 01:25:29,610 Okay. Our buddy cast Pelland 3300 sets through fountain and 1431 01:25:29,610 --> 01:25:32,910 he says, haha, boost boost chelator 1432 01:25:35,280 --> 01:25:38,610 is that Dutch booster later? No boost you later alligator. 1433 01:25:39,930 --> 01:25:43,200 Thanks for the work Sunday. I need to explain my nickname, 1434 01:25:43,290 --> 01:25:45,030 wink. I would love 1435 01:25:45,030 --> 01:25:46,410 to hear the news. Oh, boy. 1436 01:25:46,440 --> 01:25:52,800 I want to hear that story. Okay. Adam is less enthusiastic. Yeah. 1437 01:25:53,070 --> 01:25:55,830 Well, you know that the Dutch this just a little bit of 1438 01:25:55,830 --> 01:26:01,050 history. When Napoleon conquered the Netherlands at the time, 1439 01:26:01,920 --> 01:26:05,760 they made everybody register with the government with you 1440 01:26:05,760 --> 01:26:09,570 know, with with this new tyrannical government and the 1441 01:26:09,570 --> 01:26:13,290 Dutch very, very typical. They said, Oh, okay. Yeah, sure. 1442 01:26:13,290 --> 01:26:17,970 We'll register What's your name? My name is John's son. Okay. 1443 01:26:18,420 --> 01:26:21,120 Yeah. And so you have the weirdest names you know, there's 1444 01:26:21,120 --> 01:26:23,670 a lot of baker's What's your name? Baker? You know, cuz the 1445 01:26:23,670 --> 01:26:26,970 guy was a baker. What's your name? Butcher. Okay, John 1446 01:26:26,970 --> 01:26:29,580 Butcher. And so this to this day, there are people with the 1447 01:26:29,580 --> 01:26:33,390 weirdest names like you know, butts scratcher and stuff. But 1448 01:26:33,390 --> 01:26:35,760 it's really, because you know, of course, some of these people 1449 01:26:35,760 --> 01:26:41,490 got drunk like Vinay Yeah, but scratch your feet buds. Gotcha. 1450 01:26:41,910 --> 01:26:43,770 Yeah. What's your name? Seymour. And 1451 01:26:45,210 --> 01:26:50,040 advocate Ben Dover. Yeah, yeah, it'd be that became, you know, 1452 01:26:50,070 --> 01:26:53,550 the the record. They wrote it down, and everyone stuck with 1453 01:26:53,550 --> 01:26:56,760 it. So whenever there's a Dutch an explanation of a Dutch name, 1454 01:26:56,790 --> 01:26:59,250 I kind of hold on to my my hat. And you never know what's 1455 01:26:59,250 --> 01:26:59,640 coming. 1456 01:27:00,000 --> 01:27:02,700 It's not my grandmother. She never knew how old she was or 1457 01:27:02,700 --> 01:27:05,340 any of her relatives where she had to go look in the 1458 01:27:05,340 --> 01:27:09,450 everybody's to write it down in the Bible in the front pages of 1459 01:27:09,450 --> 01:27:11,250 the Bible. I don't know if there's any other country that 1460 01:27:11,250 --> 01:27:16,320 did this. But like, the first maybe 10 pages of all the family 1461 01:27:16,320 --> 01:27:20,370 Bibles in the US had a genealogy section and you would write down 1462 01:27:20,700 --> 01:27:23,340 your mom, your dad, your brothers, your sisters and when 1463 01:27:23,340 --> 01:27:27,180 they were born. I don't know why it was that way. But like that's 1464 01:27:27,180 --> 01:27:29,700 it had room for that. And you put in the sheet that you'd go 1465 01:27:29,700 --> 01:27:32,220 look it up. You know, I was like, I don't know. I don't 1466 01:27:32,220 --> 01:27:32,580 remember. 1467 01:27:32,760 --> 01:27:33,810 She lost the Bible. 1468 01:27:34,200 --> 01:27:40,770 Yeah, yeah. See this interested? Fountain? This is from somebody 1469 01:27:40,770 --> 01:27:43,290 gave us one set. Thanks. 1470 01:27:45,810 --> 01:27:51,720 Well it's literally a set 1471 01:27:51,750 --> 01:27:55,920 streamer. Okay. What app lets this happen? Fountain the 1472 01:27:55,920 --> 01:27:57,750 fountain stops out immediately. 1473 01:27:57,870 --> 01:28:02,430 Oscar shut this down. But he did have a nice note. It says thanks 1474 01:28:02,430 --> 01:28:06,990 for having Hasma cook on the show. Yeah, well, you're 1475 01:28:06,990 --> 01:28:08,130 welcome. You know, there's your 1476 01:28:08,130 --> 01:28:11,160 Bitcoin community your philanthropic Bitcoin community 1477 01:28:11,160 --> 01:28:12,660 everybody. Thanks for the SAT. 1478 01:28:13,950 --> 01:28:21,450 Scott gave us 10,420 sets to fountain nicaise First, thanks 1479 01:28:21,450 --> 01:28:27,900 to everyone. Go podcasting. 2.0 Yeah, I guess. Around 2010 i 1480 01:28:27,900 --> 01:28:31,440 created a Cannabis News and cannabis entrepreneur podcast 1481 01:28:31,620 --> 01:28:34,830 and tried starting a cannabis podcast network called cannabis 1482 01:28:34,830 --> 01:28:38,910 be Podcast Network pollinating minds. It might be time to 1483 01:28:38,910 --> 01:28:41,910 resurrect the website and gear it all around podcasting. 2.0 I 1484 01:28:41,910 --> 01:28:42,390 agree. 1485 01:28:42,510 --> 01:28:47,520 Yeah, completely ma'am. I have been a bit of a lot of people 1486 01:28:47,520 --> 01:28:51,600 out there would support it. Because it's very hard to do ads 1487 01:28:51,600 --> 01:28:54,210 and stuff. It's hard to even bank if you if you're selling 1488 01:28:54,210 --> 01:28:58,380 weed or promoting it or talking about it. It's very difficult. 1489 01:28:58,709 --> 01:29:03,059 Is Jamaica a big market for KY iOS phones there? Thomas? 1490 01:29:05,520 --> 01:29:07,440 Check. I think so. 1491 01:29:08,310 --> 01:29:12,300 Alright, they got Chinese crap in there. I think it's all they 1492 01:29:12,300 --> 01:29:18,510 got Huawei. Like the island? Yes. You're in Jamaica. China 1493 01:29:18,510 --> 01:29:19,710 took over Jamaica. i 1494 01:29:20,310 --> 01:29:27,480 Okay. Well, join the club. CO McCormick gave us 333 sets the 1495 01:29:27,480 --> 01:29:36,780 fountain he says I'm working on my shit. Okay. All right. Good 1496 01:29:36,780 --> 01:29:42,750 luck with that cool. See? Oh, lemon creations. Our buddy Andy 1497 01:29:42,750 --> 01:29:46,890 Lehmann gave us 222 sets. Through fountain he says Dave 1498 01:29:46,890 --> 01:29:51,090 Thanks for making hella pad. The now almost unbroken Hello Pat. I 1499 01:29:51,090 --> 01:29:54,810 will talk about that later. I love hearing the pew pew as 1500 01:29:54,810 --> 01:29:58,890 abuse as a boost comes in abuse is what I said abuse. I love 1501 01:29:58,890 --> 01:30:01,800 hearing the pew pew as it Boost comes in. If you have not 1502 01:30:01,800 --> 01:30:05,880 checked out my podcast dudes and dads podcast, go to dudes and 1503 01:30:05,880 --> 01:30:10,200 dads podcast.com or any new podcast app. Thank you for all 1504 01:30:10,200 --> 01:30:12,780 you do with podcast index. Well you're welcome Andy. I think 1505 01:30:13,140 --> 01:30:19,920 that's it we got a couple more. Almost almost here through it 1506 01:30:19,920 --> 01:30:24,630 again. Nomad Joe gave us 500 sets. He says a boosting to hear 1507 01:30:24,630 --> 01:30:27,510 the cowbell. cowbell cowbell. 1508 01:30:27,540 --> 01:30:31,530 I haven't had I haven't had a cowbell in the studio for 567 1509 01:30:31,530 --> 01:30:35,730 years. I don't have account. Oh man. I'm sorry. How you doing? 1510 01:30:36,240 --> 01:30:42,270 I got that for you. That's it. That's pretty close. And oh, 1511 01:30:42,480 --> 01:30:46,110 wait, somebody else came in. This looks like the same person 1512 01:30:46,110 --> 01:30:50,760 that gave us one set. But he gave us 2112 says this time? Oh 1513 01:30:52,620 --> 01:30:56,340 yes, sir. Pilgrim. I wonder if that's Harry pilgrim says. Hey, 1514 01:30:56,340 --> 01:30:59,820 Dave, help Adam. The correct way to pronounce this boost is a 1515 01:30:59,820 --> 01:31:03,180 2112. I'll give him a break on Rush since he grew up in 1516 01:31:03,180 --> 01:31:03,600 Holland. 1517 01:31:04,440 --> 01:31:08,760 Yes, a rush boost. I know. I recognize the rush boosts 1518 01:31:08,790 --> 01:31:13,320 Don't just stand there. Boost. Comic Strip blogger rounding it 1519 01:31:13,320 --> 01:31:18,030 out. Give us 10,033 says through pod friend nice. He says 1520 01:31:18,270 --> 01:31:22,200 greetings to Dave Jones into the end to hubby if Tina the keeper. 1521 01:31:22,500 --> 01:31:25,890 You're welcome to live. So you're now known as the husband 1522 01:31:25,890 --> 01:31:26,790 of Tina. Oh, yeah, 1523 01:31:26,850 --> 01:31:30,150 I know. She's taken over. She's She's now a podcast star. She's 1524 01:31:30,150 --> 01:31:34,800 got the bug. She's like making lists of topics and emailing 1525 01:31:34,800 --> 01:31:38,880 with people and making new album art. I know I've unleashed a 1526 01:31:38,880 --> 01:31:39,540 beast. 1527 01:31:39,990 --> 01:31:42,720 All the nine year olds in my West. My wife's name is Melissa 1528 01:31:42,720 --> 01:31:46,920 all the nine year olds in her class in her classroom. Call me 1529 01:31:46,920 --> 01:31:49,260 Mr. Melissa. Ooh, nice. 1530 01:31:51,030 --> 01:31:54,090 Melissa, Mr. Willis has a cool truck. 1531 01:31:55,470 --> 01:31:58,320 Greetings, Dave Jones in the hubby of Tina the keeper. You're 1532 01:31:58,320 --> 01:32:01,080 welcome to listen to our podcast about artificial intelligence 1533 01:32:01,080 --> 01:32:05,190 and titled AI cooking. Led by former BBC actor Gregory William 1534 01:32:05,190 --> 01:32:09,480 Forsythe foreman, from Kent in old England. Just search in any 1535 01:32:09,480 --> 01:32:12,360 podcast app for AI cooking to find this podcast yo, 1536 01:32:12,900 --> 01:32:17,490 yo, and thank you to all of our boosters and our our other 1537 01:32:17,490 --> 01:32:20,220 contributors, our monthly especially thank you all so much 1538 01:32:20,220 --> 01:32:25,320 for supporting podcasting 2.0. It's a slow grind, but the 1539 01:32:25,320 --> 01:32:29,340 growth is really, if you when in doubt, zoom out. It's been 1540 01:32:29,340 --> 01:32:34,230 spectacular what we've done so far. And from zero to a year and 1541 01:32:34,230 --> 01:32:37,860 a half in it had the ability to do this and have this feedback 1542 01:32:37,860 --> 01:32:40,320 loop. And podcasting is extremely exciting. Here's your 1543 01:32:40,320 --> 01:32:43,710 cue to boost. You know you want to 1544 01:32:45,750 --> 01:32:48,630 Thomas, you got time for one more question or you got a bell? 1545 01:32:50,040 --> 01:32:54,030 Yeah, I got done. I just want to ask you about live I finally got 1546 01:32:54,030 --> 01:32:57,660 the live tags situated is done. It's baked? I'm not touching it 1547 01:32:57,660 --> 01:33:04,260 anymore. I'm done. So do Do you have? Is there any way you think 1548 01:33:04,260 --> 01:33:09,000 you could do like a live streaming in in a KY iOS phone? 1549 01:33:09,000 --> 01:33:10,380 Or do you think it's just too limited? 1550 01:33:12,030 --> 01:33:16,110 Live streaming is definitely possible. I haven't looked into 1551 01:33:16,140 --> 01:33:19,740 what it what it looks like under the hood? Is it HTTP Live 1552 01:33:19,740 --> 01:33:21,480 Streaming? HLS? Or is it something else? 1553 01:33:22,080 --> 01:33:27,300 Well, it'll say the spec calls for highly, you know, it, 1554 01:33:27,480 --> 01:33:31,590 here's, here's the way the spec reads, it's like live item looks 1555 01:33:31,620 --> 01:33:36,930 just like the regular item with just a couple of added 1556 01:33:36,930 --> 01:33:40,290 properties. And that's a start time and end time and a status 1557 01:33:40,470 --> 01:33:45,900 attribute this sit on the live item element itself. And then 1558 01:33:45,900 --> 01:33:52,080 everything else inside of the live item. tag element, all the 1559 01:33:52,080 --> 01:33:54,480 children of it are the same identical stuff that you would 1560 01:33:54,480 --> 01:33:59,190 find in a regular podcast item tag. And so then, but the only 1561 01:33:59,400 --> 01:34:03,150 the wording around it is we really want you to have like all 1562 01:34:03,150 --> 01:34:06,150 three of these tags and enclosure as give me an 1563 01:34:06,150 --> 01:34:12,450 alternate enclosure, a regular enclosure with and then a 1564 01:34:12,450 --> 01:34:16,770 fallback Content link URL that somebody can link out if if the 1565 01:34:16,770 --> 01:34:21,000 app just cannot support the stream at all. So the dad and 1566 01:34:21,000 --> 01:34:24,840 then there's also wording in there that suggests a you know, 1567 01:34:24,960 --> 01:34:28,080 even though alternate enclosure can handle lots and lots of 1568 01:34:28,080 --> 01:34:32,550 different various codecs and transport protocols, you really 1569 01:34:32,550 --> 01:34:36,450 kind of want to start with supporting the basics of just an 1570 01:34:36,450 --> 01:34:41,370 mp3 stream and an mp4 stream if it's video to try to like 1571 01:34:41,370 --> 01:34:44,190 maximize compatibility across platforms. So that's that's sort 1572 01:34:44,190 --> 01:34:45,510 of the rundown real quick. 1573 01:34:47,430 --> 01:34:50,520 Yeah, I would say I can definitely take a look. I'll 1574 01:34:50,730 --> 01:34:54,300 poke around and find some folks that are supporting and see if I 1575 01:34:54,300 --> 01:34:58,110 can test it out just on one of my devices, but I don't see if 1576 01:34:58,110 --> 01:35:01,170 it's, if it's MPEG streaming out why it wouldn't work? It would 1577 01:35:01,170 --> 01:35:03,600 be so odd to have live streaming on these devices. 1578 01:35:03,630 --> 01:35:08,370 That would be so cool, man. Can you trigger an alert? 1579 01:35:09,990 --> 01:35:12,870 Oh, yeah, we can trigger a push notification. So if you have 1580 01:35:12,870 --> 01:35:15,060 like a subscription and the subscription had a new live item 1581 01:35:15,060 --> 01:35:17,490 coming up something that was like, hey, there's a you know, 1582 01:35:17,490 --> 01:35:18,480 something streaming right now. 1583 01:35:18,660 --> 01:35:26,640 Yeah, this hot new Bollywood podcaster. Hurry. Curry is live. 1584 01:35:27,330 --> 01:35:30,030 Yes, that's, that's how it's gonna hook into one of the ways 1585 01:35:30,030 --> 01:35:34,050 that pod ping is gonna come into this is that pod pod thing. The 1586 01:35:34,050 --> 01:35:36,960 next version of it that they're about to release is gonna have 1587 01:35:37,260 --> 01:35:40,470 another thing to note. Yeah, live notifications. So when a 1588 01:35:40,470 --> 01:35:44,760 podcast is live item, when it flips when it goes on air, so to 1589 01:35:44,760 --> 01:35:48,240 speak, a special pod paying will go out saying it's now 1590 01:35:48,240 --> 01:35:51,240 broadcasting. So that's that's the way you would get useful to 1591 01:35:51,240 --> 01:35:54,360 like, pass through that, that notification down to the to the 1592 01:35:54,360 --> 01:35:54,870 device. 1593 01:35:56,010 --> 01:35:58,500 That'd be perfect. Yeah, right now we batch notification just 1594 01:35:58,500 --> 01:36:00,990 as a cost saving measure. So they're not real time. But if 1595 01:36:00,990 --> 01:36:03,690 there was a way to tap into that, that would be pretty cool. 1596 01:36:04,169 --> 01:36:06,839 Yeah. Okay, cool. Yeah, I'll definitely work on the will 1597 01:36:06,839 --> 01:36:10,469 probably will pilot it with this, for sure. And then we 1598 01:36:10,499 --> 01:36:13,619 there's a couple of other feeds. And no, sir Spencer's working 1599 01:36:13,619 --> 01:36:17,489 on. Does there'll be plenty of to test against with within the 1600 01:36:17,489 --> 01:36:18,689 next short period of time, I think. 1601 01:36:20,280 --> 01:36:22,800 Yeah, just combine that with the real time transcript, right. 1602 01:36:22,800 --> 01:36:27,090 We've got the support for was it the SRT and the web VTT formats. 1603 01:36:27,150 --> 01:36:29,880 It's pretty cool. You could have it, like live streaming and live 1604 01:36:29,880 --> 01:36:30,570 captions. 1605 01:36:30,960 --> 01:36:31,830 That would be awesome. 1606 01:36:32,010 --> 01:36:34,830 How do I how do I make live captions? Where do I get that 1607 01:36:34,830 --> 01:36:36,540 from? I don't know. 1608 01:36:38,460 --> 01:36:40,170 That's where you haven't built question. 1609 01:36:41,790 --> 01:36:44,880 This is what I'm still on my to do list. Once again, another 1610 01:36:44,880 --> 01:36:48,180 board meeting where this always happens in every board on every 1611 01:36:48,180 --> 01:36:51,180 board I've ever been on every board meeting. There's always 1612 01:36:51,210 --> 01:36:55,890 one or two items that just never get addressed. And Ryan Heiss, 1613 01:36:55,890 --> 01:36:59,250 his transcript service. I know I'm ignoring him because I don't 1614 01:36:59,250 --> 01:37:02,370 understand what's going on. I need help understanding because 1615 01:37:02,370 --> 01:37:05,340 this, I know the guy has something I think the hits. I'm 1616 01:37:05,340 --> 01:37:07,860 telling you. This guy has something I can't figure it out. 1617 01:37:07,860 --> 01:37:12,570 So James Quinlan, talk to Ryan highs, please. Well, Chris 1618 01:37:12,780 --> 01:37:15,180 Curtin is good at this stuff. He's good at the transcripts. 1619 01:37:15,540 --> 01:37:19,320 I had so much notes as so many notes on here and we we spent 1620 01:37:19,320 --> 01:37:21,720 the whole time talking about solar panels and I know what 1621 01:37:21,720 --> 01:37:25,890 is wrong with those water batteries. I'm so I'm ashamed 1622 01:37:25,890 --> 01:37:26,220 now. 1623 01:37:26,580 --> 01:37:30,330 Alright, next week, we will we will get into oil, we'll get 1624 01:37:30,330 --> 01:37:32,550 deep into tech promise. 1625 01:37:32,940 --> 01:37:38,160 Thomas Barrasso is the developer of pod LP is storming the the 1626 01:37:38,160 --> 01:37:41,610 emerging markets I'm very excited for you very excited for 1627 01:37:41,610 --> 01:37:45,450 podcasting and, and really love that you're doing this man. 1628 01:37:45,450 --> 01:37:47,130 Appreciate you coming into the board today. 1629 01:37:48,540 --> 01:37:50,400 Thank you, I appreciate you having me and all the work that 1630 01:37:50,400 --> 01:37:52,710 you guys are doing. Super helpful, like I mentioned, 1631 01:37:52,710 --> 01:37:55,350 especially for a platform like us to be able to piggyback and 1632 01:37:55,350 --> 01:37:58,200 maybe get some tags that'll help us out in the future. 1633 01:37:59,790 --> 01:38:02,880 Thanks if you ever need anything at all, any help at all piping, 1634 01:38:02,940 --> 01:38:07,500 any of that jazz just just hit me up or metro fingertip. I 1635 01:38:07,500 --> 01:38:08,250 appreciate it. Thank 1636 01:38:08,370 --> 01:38:14,400 you says that to all the girls. that's it everybody. Join us 1637 01:38:14,400 --> 01:38:18,090 again next week for another board meeting of podcasting. 2.0 1638 01:38:18,090 --> 01:38:18,630 see you that. 1639 01:38:35,190 --> 01:38:39,780 You have been listening to podcasting 2.0 Visit podcast 1640 01:38:39,780 --> 01:38:42,360 index.com For more information