Episode 149: Scrape my JSON

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Adam Curry: Casting to one over
October 6 2023 Episode 149

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spring by Jason all hello
everybody welcome once again to

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the heart of the Texas Hill
Country and an Alabama the man

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who fills up my hard drive say
hello to my friend on the other

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end ladies and gentlemen, Mr.
Dave Jones.

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Dave Jones: I like how you intro
me with a reference with it was

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sort of a backhanded reference
to bad server management.

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Adam Curry: It broke a lot it
was fun. You literally you

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filled up a lot of people's hard
drive. When when the when that

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broke lots of fun and lots of
things broke. Did you know how

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much broke?

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Dave Jones: I don't think so.
Oh, yeah. Because I was just

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getting I was getting like
secondhand information from

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like, la. The only thing I knew
really was Oscar messaged me and

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said, Hey, I'm getting a lot of
timeouts. And then Steven Bhasin

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am getting a lot of timeouts on
the API. That was my only clue

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that anything was wrong. They
said just heard from nobody

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Adam Curry: else interesting. So
here's here's how it works. One

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level down, I get to my, my
wife, fountain sucks. I get my

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friends, like phone's not
working anymore. This and so I'm

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very defensive. So I have to be
careful. I'm like, Oh, really?

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Okay, what what exactly is going
on? And so there were two

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issues. There was an issue that
had been going on for several

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days with fountain and that was
you know, the the feed you know,

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you're just you're just what is
it called Feed? On fountain I'm

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gonna make sure I call it the
right thing here.

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Dave Jones: Yeah, like your your
timeline thing? Yeah. Yeah.

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Well,

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Adam Curry: not not just the
timeline

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Dave Jones: for the stream.

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Adam Curry: It's not what it's
called. No, no, what's what's

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the actual library? So library
libraries where your new

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episodes? I mean, yeah, you have
your home screen. But the

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library so new, this is what I
always go to. And so the new

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episodes weren't showing up and
you refresh. And they would

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eventually you know, if you
refreshed enough or they would

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show up. So that was going on
for a couple of days and Emma M

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and stuff happens. So what's
going on so so I just happens

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yeah, we just go to the to the
show itself and pick it up

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there. It's five more clicks,
but I get it. So I was hearing

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about this and then I'm like,
Have any of you pressed the

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feedback button? No. To ask her
here's what I'm seeing. So he

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there was there was something
broken on their end an API that

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was flaky so he fix that but not
mine. No, no, no, fix that right

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away. Everybody's happy. Oh,
fancy started working again.

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It's really It's quite amazing.
How many people in my life are

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you know, are using these apps?
Okay, so then I do curry in the

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keeper on Wednesday night. And
and I post it and I see it pop

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up the so I'm always worried
that I've messed up a Gu ID or

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done something wrong or you know
Believe me it's and it typically

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is, but I see it work on on pod
verse like Oh, okay pod verse

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work. So now and then I can
always test the feed itself by

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going to breeze breeze because
you know, breeze if you do

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refresh, it pulls it straight
from the feed doesn't go to our

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index. But fountains not shown
up from like, an I went to it

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was intermittent all of a sudden
did show up. But it didn't show

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up for Tina. And this is her
podcast. So now she's like, it's

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not showing up. I'm like, oh,
maybe it's just your app. Ah,

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man. I was like, Okay, I and
then the next next morning,

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like, I have to delete and
reinstall. I said why? Well, our

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shows not showing up like don't
do that. Let's let's see

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Dave Jones: at this moment. Did
you choose to tell her that?

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That outfit is not great on her?

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Adam Curry: By the way, this
what you're wearing? Take that

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off? That looks no good. It's
terrible. No, no, this was not

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the moment I did that. I don't
do that. But I can do that with

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my wife. She takes my advice.
She really does. It's hard when

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she does it. To me. It's like
take that off. You look crap.

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Dave Jones: That's more
insulting than I've ever thought

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before. Sometimes my wife will
do that before. She's like,

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you're you're not, you

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Adam Curry: know, you know, Tina
looks at me. And you see the

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eyes dart up and down. And
what's wrong? Is my fly open

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like well, you know, there's a
spot or it's wrinkled or really

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those jeans. Oh, yeah. And so I
couldn't figure this out. And

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then I see. Then I sent another
message to you to Oscar, but it

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is kind of the same time I'm
looking at, at the podcast index

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dot social. I see oh, okay, hard
drive ran up. Okay, I get it. So

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that's why the API was timing.
So it wasn't too bad. We all

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caught it. And it worked. It was
just interesting how that works

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downstream.

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Dave Jones: Because I was
balling. When I came in, I was

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listening to the boost ground
ball, ball on the way. And you

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made a comment on there that
things were that the index was

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getting, quote, creaky.

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Adam Curry: Yeah, I'm sorry,
what I meant think that was

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that? No, it was not. No was not
in reference to that. Okay. No,

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that was in reference. So I've
it again, this is how you start

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to rely on things. So the split
kit is incredibly important for

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the booster Grand Ball. Because
it makes my chapters it does my,

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my magic wallet switching
technology also known was known

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as value time split. So does all
of it and and actually, Steven B

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heard me on the last episode,
now you can download from it. So

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that just saved me like, at
least half an hour of prep time.

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Now you can, you can just as an
aside, now you can do your

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entire playlists before even
sorted. And then you can click

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on the on a button and it
downloads a whole zip file of

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all of the all of the tracks
named T so you can then put it

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right into your into your
playout system. Oh, yeah, this

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is phenomenal. Beautiful. But
then I'm looking, I'm seeing

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songs that I that are in the
index, but they don't show up in

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the search on split kit. And
they're new. So I'm so I'm like,

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so I'm I'm pinging Steve, and
I'm like, What's going on,

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because they have a feed there
in the index, they have the

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medium to medium equals music.
And this is the whole issue

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that's been going back and forth
with you and him about Max 1000

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results because what he's been
doing to make it to make search

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faster. This, I think he's been
downloading all all of the

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information. He's been
maintaining a separate database,

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basically, to make the split
kits search when you're

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searching for a track, make it
faster. And so Subsequently, it

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wasn't showing up in less than
now. Unless you go in and look

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for it as a podcast. It was very
complicated. So So then, and so

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my way of saying, Hey, this is
good, because that's what I

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meant by it. And I think people
took it that way is there's so

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much going on that we're we're
running into walls here, which I

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think that's good. You were like
bastard

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Dave Jones: I did not did not
drop the beat on you. I did not

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say that. No, I was I thought
you were referring to the, to

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the timeouts, because that that
really was like that was a

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rookie move on my part. I mean,
like first sysadmin.

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Adam Curry: A little
disappointing.

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Dave Jones: I appreciate you
digging the knife.

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Adam Curry: No, actually, this
is where I twist and pull it up.

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That's that's this part.

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Dave Jones: Now I'm up for air.
You. So the infrastructure is

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fairly simple. I mean, we have a
database, sitting it sitting

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behind two front end API
servers. And these are just

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Nginx. Reverse proxies to a PHP,
you know, your

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Adam Curry: standard stuff. I
set those up daily. Yeah.

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Dave Jones: Yeah, no, you do.
Yeah. So it's like, we have tons

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of log data. We log everything.
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Adam Curry: owe the the all the
log eight my hard drive bit.

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Dave Jones: Yes. Yes. And so
what typically, so we remove

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logs, and, you know, on on a 90
day rotation, so it's typically

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never a problem. And I was just
like, you know, oh, I'll get

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around to throw in a disk space
checker on these front ends one

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day. Because I've got a script.
I've got a source, of course,

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yeah, of course. You're a

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Adam Curry: pro. You're pro of
course you have scripts.

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Dave Jones: And then and I'm
like, there's always something

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else to do. You know? I'm like,
Okay, well, this is fun. Well,

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Adam Curry: is that the meme of
the dog in the house on fire?

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This is fine.

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Dave Jones: So then, a couple of
months ago, I don't even know

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how long ago it's been a while
now. I had turned off the log

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rotation in order because I was
troubleshooting a problem. And I

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just didn't turn it back on.
Now, this thing's growing. You

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know, exponentially daily. I
mean, some days the gigs. The

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logs are two gigs in size.

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Adam Curry: This is interesting.
I've been my first company was

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in 1995. I think maybe 96 on
ramp. And then I had one

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employee. And I've been I've run
multiple companies. And I was

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always kind of in charge of
technology for some not in

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charge of doing it. But I could
translate between that and

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everybody else and backward and
the other way around. And I

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would say throughout my career,
it's always number one problem

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when when a client calls or
something's going haywire, is of

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course DNS, it's always number
one DNS. And the number of times

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a log file has eaten the desk
had stopped the server, I can't

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count on two hands. This is a
constant thing. It's really

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interesting.

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Dave Jones: Yes, and, but this
did give me an idea. I mean, so

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this, it's funny how these
things. Anyone call it like,

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Adam Curry: Inspire, Inspire,
Inspire inspires

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Dave Jones: a good word. I don't
think I don't think we built the

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index, I think a higher power
built the index and just used

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our hands to do it. Amen. But I
think that got me thinking along

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those lines, and I was like, you
know, this is, this brings up a

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point that we may need to
address which is decent. Pushing

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more and more towards
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Adam Curry: Well, isn't that
exactly what the problem with

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fountain was? I mean, it's not
exactly the same thing.

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Dave Jones: It's yeah, I think
you could call it that. And if

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we want I mean, is like we need
to number one, let's let's just

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take the take this put this on
the table immediately.

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Decentralization is incredibly
difficult. Yes, doing it well,

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and maintaining a level of a
level of service that is

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acceptable stuff that works.
Quality. Yeah, like tour,

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Adam Curry: like my tour is
broken. You know, exactly how

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you come to rely on stuff like
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Dave Jones: In tours, not a baby
project. It's been around for a

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long time. It's it's got a lot
of people working on it. This

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stuff is not easy. So, but it
just made me think, you know,

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hey, we need to continue. I
don't, it brought it back up

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into mind that my mind that we
don't need to have that doesn't

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need to get lost. In everything
we do. We need to always be

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making incremental steps towards
decentralization, robust

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decentralization. Absolutely.
Yeah, I can't really say exactly

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what we need to do in concrete
terms right now. But as far as

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when I thought of logs, I
immediately remembered, you

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know, hey, Dave, you have not
done that pod ping object

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storage bucket yet, you need to
do that. We need to export our,

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it would be great if we exported
our logs in a in a D in a like

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in an anonymized fashion.

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Adam Curry: So people can look
at him You mean so people can

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help troubleshoot and see the
logs? Good idea. Sure. Good

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idea. All these

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Dave Jones: things. Like we just
need to make the and then and

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then I probably need to go back
to the Rebrov rebroadcasting pot

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pings, because we went down
that.

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Adam Curry: I'm just gonna say
it right now, all of this

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eventually comes back to the
freedom controller.

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Dave Jones: A really long,
roundabout way to build

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Adam Curry: this is really what
we should have done. Yeah. It's

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so true, though. It's so true.
Well, I had my own. Well,

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actually, let me back up, I
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vulnerable we are now that's not
the right way to start. Is there

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anything else you want to say
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we're gonna get back to
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don't want to cut you off mid
mid thought pattern here. And I

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know our time is limited today.
Darling, I know that you have to

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get back to your wife.

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Dave Jones: Yeah. Yeah. Get a
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this week. And I was in the
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Houston. And I'm assuming that
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Adam Curry: Yeah, well, yeah, I
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there eventually. We'll get
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was asked a long time ago by the
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huge media. They have like 4
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they got podcasts and all kinds
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successful. And Rob is on the
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of started because or it was
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podcast conferences were a
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showing up which is I mean, oh
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not necessarily that they were
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that because it triggers other
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very prevalent at Podcast
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but this was started during just
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took off. And so there's
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as I affectionately call them
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and this was this was their
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podcasting, which is always
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early, and we hung out and what
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course, my wife is now
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better ended with you. Yeah. Oh,
and I took pastor Jimmy and

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Annette from living up in a down
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protegees they're my they're my
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good for you to come to a
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Dave Jones: it's like. And I
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Adam Curry: Exactly, you know,
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my hand. And the first thing you
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conference? There's no talk
about how many downloads, you

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got none of this, there's
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how do you get get the word out?
How do you promote? How do you?

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What do you use? How, how, and a
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really interesting to say I
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no award show, even people who
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really know if anyone listened
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mechanisms are so poor. And so
as I've been telling you about

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2.0, and booster grams, and even
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come in, I'm showing it to him
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exciting. So he had that
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something we've talked about
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was there, he won an award. I
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for 17 years or whatever. Just
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vocal coach for a lot of big
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singers like really like big
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radio. And he was really at a
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about diction and what how you
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more engagement with people. And
it's the opposite of a vocal

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fry. So vocal fry is all as
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any had some examples, good
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people in you extend your
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Dave Jones: In Whoa, give me an
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Adam Curry: I just didn't you
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Dave Jones: Keeps it like your
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Adam Curry: No, extend them, you
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on the constant. Anyway, it was
just really fascinate this guy,

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you know, some of the biggest
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voice. I don't know what to do,
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through it. Fascinating. The
other thing was, a lot of people

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understand algorithms. They're
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by algos? You know, and they
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then. And this was just just as
another quick aside, since I was

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I was doing this keynote and I'm
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the Greek word for churches
Ecclesia when it doesn't really

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mean a place of worship, it
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together can be a watering hole,
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idea of churches just in in the
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per se is a big holy spot. But
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up algos to that I want to know
if algorithm algorithm is named

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after some Persian mathematician
and but algos, which is a

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abbreviation if you look up that
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pain and suffering and I just
felt that was wow, that's so so

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prophetic. algos Yeah.

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Dave Jones: algos in Greek is a
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pain. Yeah, pain or

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Adam Curry: suffering. Anyway,
so as I was just thinking about

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in the keynote, explain how I
came to all this. But I realized

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that these people need
protection. And so I went

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through the whole history of
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podcasting. I watched your tone.
Oh, okay. So you already heard

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some of this. Alright, thank
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the true Genesis. For the first
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podcasting all the way to its
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Dave Jones: that was that was
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best version of it. that that
I've heard all thanks. Thank

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you. I mean, I'm talking about
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permutations of telling the
history, I think I think that

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was like, I don't know something
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and like, you just kind of went
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timeline, it was timeline with
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you at the moment, instead of
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looking back on it, because when
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have like, 2020 vision about
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throwing in some stuff about
what you what you thought at the

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moment, and he didn't, you know,
like, at any moment, you didn't

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think it was going to be
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you did. And it's like, it was
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Adam Curry: Thank you. I'll link
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podcast. And I would say 99.9%
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knew that podcasting had come
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out of RSS be like, Oh, really?
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through that itself, that a
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you're hearing right now a
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the actual transmission system.
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important as RSS is and, and
this mechanism that we've

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created is, is incredible, the
industry, the space that we've

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created, is, by its nature
decentralized, because we have

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all these different hosting
companies, and they have all

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have a basic set of features and
some of more some of you know,

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they differentiate and they
there's a very healthy

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coopetition, which has existed
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time. That part is really,
really good. Of course, because

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of the the sheer size, sheer
amount of podcasts that are out

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there and fees, you need
aggregators, you need these

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intermediaries, just to make it.
I mean, the new iPhone can't

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even run its own software
without overheating. So imagine,

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you know, having to aggregate
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that's that's it's really a
Cluj, we are a Cluj. We're hack,

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because, you know, on a mobile
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pinging, you know, all the feeds
so that your search works

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quickly, etcetera. And you have
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necessary on a mobile device.
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something like us in the middle,
to make all that work and also

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to stimulate the creativity, the
forward motion, so we can

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implement things very quickly.
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come to rely on it, you know, we
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you know, get Albie is going to
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going to throw everybody out off
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happened like, Oh, we got to
reboot a server or Fountain has

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to do something, these things
happen. But it can happen. It

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can be disastrous, ultimately.
So you are correct, sir. And I

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went back to you know, we got to
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infrastructure, but Mark Boyd
zero, set, set up IPFS gateways

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on all of our servers. And is
that functions function? Uh,

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yeah, so I went back to, to
putting Bookstagram ball on

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IPFS. And I'm actually, now I
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agenda because it's on the same
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difference, I know that it's not
going to fall down because it's

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going through ipfs.io it's going
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gateway.io or something. So
we'll really be able to tax the

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system on a future no agenda
episode, which not everybody

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will receive, I'm sure. But
that's a really interesting

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first step, I think towards
decentralization of the entire

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ecosystem. And we're starting
from from the end product going

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back in so the next piece is
what do we do with the feeds you

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know, when the next piece is,
what else can we can we put in

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into a distributed nature and
really make a distributed

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eventually, where there you
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Dave Jones: Yeah, I think I
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itself needs to be distributed
and pod ping needs to be more

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piping is well is fairly well
distributed now. But it needs

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to, it needs to be filled out. I
think. It needs to be filled out

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with more with more data, and I
can make that happen. With some

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work. I can make it where we
talked about this before where

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we need I guess to make pod ping
more useful to people. It would

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be nice to have HOST, THE feeds
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have those coming through pod
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broadcast our discoveries of new
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Adam Curry: So they so yeah, so
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Dave Jones: Yes. As I think if
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why that's a bad idea, tell me
I'm open to it. But I think I

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would kind of like that, because
I think about it this waitlist

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is what we tell people is
sometimes people say, hosting

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companies or whoever will say,
hey, I need API keys, because I

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want to send I want to add our
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the index. So I want to hit the
add in point, right?

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Adam Curry: You can do that with
Ronnie, hey, can you do that?

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Dave Jones: I can do that. Yeah,
but you can do that with puppy.

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him. I'm like, if that's all

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your need, then the API for you
don't need the API, just use

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piping. And everybody sees the
feed. And we'll add it. This

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this way. If we filled out pod
pain with as much data as we

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could, then you, anybody could
just watch the fire hose, the

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piping fire hose. And within a
month, they would have virtually

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Adam Curry: whole index. Yeah,
the whole or the 400,000. True

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active feeds.

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Dave Jones: The active thieves.

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Adam Curry: Yeah, the ones that
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Dave Jones: Well, interesting.
You've just created a database

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just by watching the feed. Yeah.

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Adam Curry: So it's kind of it's
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for apps to be able to do this,
too. I mean, on their own, just

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say, Okay, here's the my user
has 20 podcasts, let's just say,

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I think that might be pretty
fair, although a lot of those

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have unread flags on them. And
so I'm really only trolling for

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these for these 20 feeds. So I
could be either constantly

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listening, or there could be a
lightweight service that says,

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maybe this is maybe I'm saying
something stupid here. But a

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lightweight service that you run
somewhere that there is some

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something that runs for you,
that says, Oh, you're these 20

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feeds. Okay, we'll, we'll ping
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feeds that you need to update

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notifications. Yeah.

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00:27:34,590 --> 00:27:37,440
Adam Curry: It's a push
notification. Yeah, that's

430
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:38,520
exactly what it is. Yeah.

431
00:27:38,550 --> 00:27:41,250
Dave Jones: Yeah. Like, Alex
already has a proof of concept

432
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:48,450
work working for an Android
slash, like GTK desktop push. I

433
00:27:48,450 --> 00:27:51,630
hope I'm getting that. Right. So
I mean, there's, there's already

434
00:27:51,630 --> 00:27:55,140
been work done on that if, you
know, push notifications are,

435
00:27:55,470 --> 00:28:01,230
they're cheap and light, like,
you could run a $5 Linode. And

436
00:28:01,500 --> 00:28:05,100
set up a push notification
server. So I don't think it's a

437
00:28:05,100 --> 00:28:09,480
heavy lift for pretty much any
app, right? If they just watch

438
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:14,070
pod ping. And then they have a
list of a list of feeds they're,

439
00:28:14,250 --> 00:28:18,180
they they're interested in, that
their users subscribe to, then

440
00:28:18,180 --> 00:28:21,630
they just, all they do is just
push it down to the to the app.

441
00:28:22,860 --> 00:28:25,590
And then when the app receives
the push notification, they just

442
00:28:25,590 --> 00:28:27,930
knows, it just knows to trigger
an RSS feed refresh.

443
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,780
Adam Curry: If we get this
right, this fixes a lot of

444
00:28:30,780 --> 00:28:34,680
things in life. Now you can fix
this for for what we used to

445
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:38,820
call microblogging, also known
as social networks, you can fix

446
00:28:38,820 --> 00:28:42,540
a lot of things, a lot of broken
things, which would be fixed

447
00:28:42,540 --> 00:28:45,900
with this with utilizing pod
ping in this way, I think it's

448
00:28:45,900 --> 00:28:46,590
very exciting.

449
00:28:47,790 --> 00:28:50,460
Dave Jones: It just makes the
whole discussion and you know,

450
00:28:50,460 --> 00:28:54,960
you add in there, the Canada
stuff, with the candidate

451
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:56,970
Canadian registration
requirements and things like

452
00:28:56,970 --> 00:29:03,540
that. It all just points towards
the job's not done. We have it's

453
00:29:03,540 --> 00:29:06,750
done from the standpoint of,
hey, there's a database anybody

454
00:29:06,750 --> 00:29:09,900
can download that that parts
that parts, but then, like, I

455
00:29:09,900 --> 00:29:12,840
feel like we I feel like we have
to push it further and further

456
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:16,050
and further and never stop. I
mean, I don't think there's ever

457
00:29:16,050 --> 00:29:18,210
a point when you stop and say,
Okay, it's finished.

458
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:21,720
Adam Curry: I agree. They gave
me they gave me a lifetime

459
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:25,140
achievement award. And I was
like, I have so much more to do.

460
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:27,150
Dave Jones: Here. You're dead.

461
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:30,390
Adam Curry: It's very, it's a
great honor. It's nice, you

462
00:29:30,390 --> 00:29:32,550
know, of course, it's like oh,
well, that's really kind of you

463
00:29:32,550 --> 00:29:36,630
to say, although what did I
really do? You know, everyone

464
00:29:36,630 --> 00:29:39,930
else did the work. You know, I
just the look pretty like yeah,

465
00:29:39,930 --> 00:29:41,640
that's right. Alright, so

466
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:46,890
Dave Jones: now that the content
the content is so much of the

467
00:29:46,890 --> 00:29:50,610
work though. I mean, like that,
you can't discount that either.

468
00:29:51,090 --> 00:29:52,500
Like, you know, yes.

469
00:29:52,769 --> 00:29:54,809
Adam Curry: I've never gotten a
word but never gotten award for

470
00:29:54,809 --> 00:29:55,439
the content.

471
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:57,750
Unknown: No, you never will.

472
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:01,200
Adam Curry: It someone said You
know Adam curry getting a

473
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:04,230
lifetime achievement award at a
Christian podcast conferences

474
00:30:04,230 --> 00:30:06,810
like Caitlyn Jenner getting
Woman of the Year and I

475
00:30:12,929 --> 00:30:13,799
thought it was funny.

476
00:30:14,849 --> 00:30:16,799
Dave Jones: Funny thing to say I
don't even know what it means

477
00:30:16,829 --> 00:30:17,759
just a good line.

478
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:19,560
Adam Curry: Yeah, I liked it. I

479
00:30:20,940 --> 00:30:24,570
Dave Jones: did I did kill a
rooster this past week you know

480
00:30:24,570 --> 00:30:28,530
on purpose. Yes on purpose. For
Why'd it last night?

481
00:30:28,559 --> 00:30:31,379
Adam Curry: Oh, you ate? I
thought the roosters weren't

482
00:30:31,379 --> 00:30:33,179
that tasty. roosters are good to
eat?

483
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:36,300
Dave Jones: No, they're great to
eat. This thing was delicious.

484
00:30:36,330 --> 00:30:40,620
No they they make you want they
must be delicious because they

485
00:30:40,620 --> 00:30:43,560
make you want to kill them. Oh,
yeah. So annoying.

486
00:30:44,249 --> 00:30:46,079
Adam Curry: Was not did you kill
them just because you were

487
00:30:46,079 --> 00:30:48,989
annoyed by him or you were
hungry or combos?

488
00:30:50,220 --> 00:30:54,030
Dave Jones: Is a combo? Yeah.
But I never done the whole neck

489
00:30:54,030 --> 00:30:54,810
pop thing.

490
00:30:55,740 --> 00:30:57,360
Adam Curry: I've never done that
either. To be honest,

491
00:30:57,360 --> 00:30:58,800
Dave Jones: I haven't. No. Okay.

492
00:30:58,860 --> 00:31:05,730
Adam Curry: Is it satisfying is
it No? No. Did you walk around

493
00:31:05,730 --> 00:31:05,790
Do

494
00:31:05,790 --> 00:31:08,880
Dave Jones: you wake me up every
morning but and I'm really want

495
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,550
to eat you but this is said but
then I get over it.

496
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:15,630
Adam Curry: Wow, you're that
you're real man. Your Trad man

497
00:31:15,630 --> 00:31:17,010
right there. I felt

498
00:31:17,010 --> 00:31:21,300
Dave Jones: like a man. It's so
very manly after that's my wife

499
00:31:21,300 --> 00:31:22,560
had hardass for me.

500
00:31:23,460 --> 00:31:26,610
Adam Curry: It's a very primal
thing. Yeah.

501
00:31:26,790 --> 00:31:29,430
Dave Jones: Hey, it was like it
was like, Yeah, I'm so proud of

502
00:31:29,430 --> 00:31:33,900
you for doing that. Yeah, no,
I'm proud of me. I was six the

503
00:31:33,900 --> 00:31:36,510
top 100 By the way, is fixed.
Oh, what

504
00:31:36,510 --> 00:31:38,400
Adam Curry: did you fix? What
did you do to fix it? Oh, God.

505
00:31:38,430 --> 00:31:40,110
Dave Jones: I told you last
week, I knew how to fix it. And

506
00:31:40,110 --> 00:31:42,090
I was gonna fix it. Go visit the
page.

507
00:31:42,390 --> 00:31:44,910
Adam Curry: Honestly, I haven't
looked today. I'll be quite

508
00:31:45,450 --> 00:31:47,550
honest with you. Because I've
been. There's a lot of other

509
00:31:47,550 --> 00:31:52,950
stuff going on. Okay, this chart
is heavy. Okay. I'm just going

510
00:31:52,950 --> 00:31:56,280
to scroll down and guess that
it's no, no, no, you know, 165

511
00:31:56,340 --> 00:31:59,490
Oh, no, I'm gonna go back up to
the top. Yeah. Okay. Right at

512
00:31:59,490 --> 00:32:06,870
the top. That's a great hack.
Podcast. 2.0. Top 166.

513
00:32:07,110 --> 00:32:10,530
Dave Jones: Yeah, he changes the
couch. Ah, this problem is

514
00:32:10,530 --> 00:32:11,880
solved. This was

515
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:15,570
Adam Curry: fixed. Yes. You're
so right. Yep. Problem solved.

516
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:16,230
Perfect. All

517
00:32:16,230 --> 00:32:18,840
Dave Jones: right, moving on.
Moving on to the next, Larry.

518
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:22,530
Adam Curry: Like, what did he
change? They click on something

519
00:32:22,530 --> 00:32:28,560
No, no. So along with this would
come? I guess categories comes

520
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:32,580
along with with this with the
feels like everything comes from

521
00:32:33,780 --> 00:32:37,830
Can we assume that we work now
on like, what data? Can we get

522
00:32:37,830 --> 00:32:41,940
into pod ping? Certainly work on
both at the same time. So, you

523
00:32:41,940 --> 00:32:46,650
know, to the decentralization
quest, at the same time,

524
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:50,610
upgrading pod pod ping and then
adding things in? Can I presume

525
00:32:50,610 --> 00:32:53,280
the categories? It can be a part
of this?

526
00:32:55,350 --> 00:32:59,580
Dave Jones: Yeah, I think I
think categories. Like once you

527
00:32:59,580 --> 00:33:05,550
have once we have the pod ping
sort of thing. I think any of

528
00:33:05,550 --> 00:33:09,300
this stuff can be put on to pot
thing like, because pod ping

529
00:33:09,300 --> 00:33:13,710
those mediums. You can you know,
there's some kind of

530
00:33:13,710 --> 00:33:16,740
registration service can say,
you know, a, I want to be

531
00:33:16,740 --> 00:33:19,560
notified, I want to get pod
thing notifications that only

532
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:21,060
want to get the ones this
category.

533
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:23,520
Adam Curry: This cat is for
music. While we haven't already

534
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:27,210
live, isn't that isn't that?
Right. I mean, we have those

535
00:33:27,210 --> 00:33:27,480
things,

536
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:30,120
Dave Jones: those filter filters
as well as your filters. Yes.

537
00:33:30,180 --> 00:33:37,050
Yeah. But But then, if we have a
robust category system, then you

538
00:33:37,050 --> 00:33:40,020
could, you know, filter that
down even further and say, Well,

539
00:33:40,020 --> 00:33:48,600
I want only pains that have that
are music medium and our metal.

540
00:33:49,500 --> 00:33:51,480
Adam Curry: Right? Yeah, of
course. Of course.

541
00:33:52,020 --> 00:33:54,270
Dave Jones: What is it shows or
whatever. Now,

542
00:33:54,300 --> 00:33:56,820
Adam Curry: I'm sure people have
gone through this before maybe

543
00:33:56,820 --> 00:34:02,670
the what was the was the thing
that when they get on the

544
00:34:02,670 --> 00:34:06,780
category? Yeah. I mean, how do
you how do you create a

545
00:34:06,780 --> 00:34:14,430
mechanism to build a category?
Master list? Because everybody

546
00:34:14,430 --> 00:34:16,200
has an opinion on this. Of
course,

547
00:34:16,769 --> 00:34:19,889
Dave Jones: this is where it
comes down to sort of two

548
00:34:19,889 --> 00:34:24,989
fundamental proposals and or
ideas that have been batted

549
00:34:24,989 --> 00:34:27,299
around in the past. And I've
always deferred this

550
00:34:27,299 --> 00:34:32,489
conversation because it's messy
and complicated. And we had

551
00:34:32,489 --> 00:34:35,129
bigger fish to fry but I think
it's I think we're I think we're

552
00:34:35,129 --> 00:34:37,829
getting back around to this
where we're this is becoming

553
00:34:38,429 --> 00:34:39,659
something we can work on.

554
00:34:39,690 --> 00:34:42,360
Adam Curry: And we're a family
now. You know, we have hundreds

555
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:45,600
of people. We got a huge
boardroom and we're family and

556
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:49,950
we all know how to work with
each other and converse and not

557
00:34:49,950 --> 00:34:53,610
get offended and figure stuff
out. I think we can

558
00:34:53,610 --> 00:34:58,140
Dave Jones: power through this.
Yeah. But it always comes down

559
00:34:58,140 --> 00:35:03,960
to either you Have a master list
somewhere that's curated by a

560
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:13,530
community. Or it's free for all
free form. And really, they both

561
00:35:13,530 --> 00:35:20,880
have pros and cons. The good
arguments can be made on both

562
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:29,100
sides is really is true, I
think. But I think we, James

563
00:35:29,100 --> 00:35:34,380
came up or proposed a long time
ago to have sort of freeform

564
00:35:34,410 --> 00:35:39,600
freeform tags that are more like
keywords freeform categories

565
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:43,050
where you can, you don't, there
is no master list like

566
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:44,850
Adam Curry: Like just, you know,
even though it wouldn't be

567
00:35:44,850 --> 00:35:49,350
something that would be like an
APA style guide God caster would

568
00:35:49,410 --> 00:35:52,770
would be a tag that I think a
lot of people would understand.

569
00:35:53,490 --> 00:35:56,670
But that you could have
subcategories in that where you

570
00:35:56,670 --> 00:36:02,100
know, sermon, you know,
readings, etc, etc.

571
00:36:02,670 --> 00:36:08,250
Dave Jones: Right? Yep, exactly.
Is it? You know, this? This

572
00:36:08,250 --> 00:36:11,400
makes I think it when it when he
first proposed it, I was like,

573
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:13,320
Yeah, I don't like that.

574
00:36:13,350 --> 00:36:15,870
Adam Curry: There's like tag
tags, basically.

575
00:36:16,380 --> 00:36:19,470
Dave Jones: Yeah. But then, but
then, you know, we talked about

576
00:36:19,470 --> 00:36:22,890
it. Let's say we, I mean, me and
Alex talked about it a few times

577
00:36:22,890 --> 00:36:27,660
and like it. I think it I think
it does make sense. I think it

578
00:36:27,660 --> 00:36:31,470
does make sense because you can,
you can after the fact see,

579
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:38,400
like, you can build this out to
where it is freeform. Real time

580
00:36:38,430 --> 00:36:42,960
like where people can put put
in, in freeform, but then you

581
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:46,980
can also use what's done what's
been done in the past to make

582
00:36:46,980 --> 00:36:48,450
like a hint, hint list.

583
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:51,840
Adam Curry: Well, there's prior
art for this. Okay, prior art is

584
00:36:51,870 --> 00:36:56,340
hashtags on Twitter, prior art
is hashtags on Mastodon and the

585
00:36:56,340 --> 00:36:59,760
Autocomplete is exactly what
you're saying. Um, so if I'm, if

586
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:04,500
I'm going to go in and I want to
do a hashtag, this is a bot. And

587
00:37:04,500 --> 00:37:08,730
I type in, you know, piece of
crap bot, it'll say, oh, hashtag

588
00:37:08,730 --> 00:37:11,340
bot is what you probably want to
use. Because here's how many

589
00:37:11,340 --> 00:37:13,050
people are using that hashtag.

590
00:37:14,460 --> 00:37:16,710
Dave Jones: Okay, good. Yeah,
good explanation. Yeah, I think

591
00:37:16,710 --> 00:37:21,030
that's, I think that works. I
mean, because yes, you're gonna

592
00:37:21,030 --> 00:37:25,410
you run the risk of somebody
where you have you know, heavy

593
00:37:25,410 --> 00:37:28,050
metal and somebody spells it
heavy space metal, and another

594
00:37:28,050 --> 00:37:32,610
person says heavy metal with all
one word. You're going to run

595
00:37:32,610 --> 00:37:37,290
into those issues. But with with
the autocomplete you'll, you'll

596
00:37:37,290 --> 00:37:40,110
make that less of a problem.

597
00:37:40,650 --> 00:37:43,950
Adam Curry: Yeah, it's human
engineering. It prompts people

598
00:37:44,190 --> 00:37:48,540
to think oh, let's just do this
for a second if I go to hashtag

599
00:37:48,570 --> 00:37:58,170
explore on Well, if I do search
on Mastodon I do bot. The let me

600
00:37:58,170 --> 00:38:00,990
see what it says. It auto
completed some stuff for me.

601
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:06,780
Botani bot D. Bot bots. And it
shows me how many people in the

602
00:38:06,780 --> 00:38:12,360
past two days have used this
hashtag. That's human

603
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:15,870
engineering. You know, it tells
me like well, if I want to use

604
00:38:15,990 --> 00:38:18,450
if I want to say this is a bot,
I don't want to use bots because

605
00:38:18,450 --> 00:38:21,570
only two people have used that
five people have used bought or

606
00:38:21,570 --> 00:38:22,230
use bought.

607
00:38:22,949 --> 00:38:27,569
Dave Jones: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah,
this is this may make sense to

608
00:38:27,569 --> 00:38:30,719
me. But because when you have a
master list somebody has to

609
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:34,499
curate the list in some and then
you have you're gonna have

610
00:38:34,530 --> 00:38:37,830
Adam Curry: yours always follow
tears always come from this

611
00:38:37,860 --> 00:38:39,840
tears. Tears. Yep. Now,

612
00:38:40,409 --> 00:38:45,059
Dave Jones: in everybody in the
categories. The Apple categories

613
00:38:45,059 --> 00:38:45,749
are just they

614
00:38:45,780 --> 00:38:47,970
Adam Curry: limited and
unlimited is fine limiting. Yes.

615
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,310
And that's not satisfying to
you, but it's satisfying to

616
00:38:50,310 --> 00:38:52,830
people who drink Cupertino water
for some reason, you know,

617
00:38:52,830 --> 00:38:56,610
something in the water. Stacy?
Just kidding, Stacey. Yeah.

618
00:38:58,290 --> 00:39:00,720
Dave Jones: But yeah, I think I
think there's, there's a lot to

619
00:39:01,470 --> 00:39:03,720
the duration we had in the
start. I

620
00:39:03,720 --> 00:39:07,560
Adam Curry: like it. And it is I
said the prior art is huge,

621
00:39:07,740 --> 00:39:10,680
passionate people search Twitter
for hashtags. I see my wife

622
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:14,970
doing it. Like, oh, I found this
hashtag and they follow

623
00:39:14,970 --> 00:39:18,750
hashtags. You can follow a
hashtag This is this is a huge

624
00:39:18,750 --> 00:39:19,110
deal.

625
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:22,200
Dave Jones: We'll see I'm
staring at the podcasting 2.0

626
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:27,600
Top 166 right now and there's
there's like, it's so obvious

627
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:31,200
that right connected to each one
of these tracks. There should be

628
00:39:31,650 --> 00:39:35,850
some hashtags of what these
tracks are. lambaste should say

629
00:39:35,850 --> 00:39:41,460
metal you know, hashtag metal
hashtag, you know. Trance house,

630
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:42,240
you know, whatever.

631
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:44,759
Adam Curry: How about hashtag
booster gram ball?

632
00:39:46,530 --> 00:39:54,090
Dave Jones: Yeah, yeah. Hashtag
radio DJ. What are some? Because

633
00:39:54,090 --> 00:39:57,060
we, you know, we keep, we keep
wanting we're struggling to,

634
00:39:57,390 --> 00:39:58,560
because to define

635
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:02,190
Adam Curry: words, that's fine.
Yeah, like, I realized I was

636
00:40:02,190 --> 00:40:04,320
talking to out, you know, I
talked to Alex too. You're not

637
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:10,080
the only one, by the way. Yes.
Alex is like this mystery

638
00:40:10,110 --> 00:40:12,570
mysterious man in the middle, he
pings everybody. And like, all

639
00:40:12,570 --> 00:40:14,880
of a sudden you realize he's
talking to everybody and like,

640
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:15,240
like,

641
00:40:16,199 --> 00:40:18,989
Dave Jones: his whole his
bedroom wall has little strings

642
00:40:19,049 --> 00:40:19,499
connected

643
00:40:20,550 --> 00:40:23,010
Adam Curry: with pictures and
flowers picture. Yeah, yes,

644
00:40:23,010 --> 00:40:29,910
that's a very creepy red yarn.
And, you know, we were talking

645
00:40:29,910 --> 00:40:34,800
about the definition of radio
what, what is what is radio? You

646
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:37,380
know, and I think you at one
point said, Well boosted grand

647
00:40:37,380 --> 00:40:40,290
ball that's, that would be a
radio category. So now it's not

648
00:40:40,290 --> 00:40:45,510
radio, you know, but is radio is
that a restream of an existing

649
00:40:45,510 --> 00:40:50,250
radio station? Now I personally
think radio is the protocol.

650
00:40:50,250 --> 00:40:53,820
It's the it's the transmission
system. But that's me. You know,

651
00:40:53,850 --> 00:40:56,700
a lot of people Oh, radio, I
know what that means. You know,

652
00:40:56,700 --> 00:41:00,750
why is that? Is that 24 hour
weather? Is that radio to you?

653
00:41:00,990 --> 00:41:06,840
So all these things, I think
it's hashtag solve a lot. And as

654
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:09,720
I said, it just seems like a
human, it seems to work for

655
00:41:09,720 --> 00:41:13,830
humans. Really does. That's why
it took off. That's why you

656
00:41:13,830 --> 00:41:16,470
don't see, you know, that's why
you see it working. So well.

657
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:18,390
Just that feels very good to me.

658
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:22,410
Dave Jones: Yeah, I think I
think we can start there.

659
00:41:22,410 --> 00:41:26,040
Because it's so it's such an
easy thing for everybody to

660
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:30,900
understand. And now where the
AG, you know, step, step two of

661
00:41:30,900 --> 00:41:35,820
that will be where to aggregate
it. So where do you, you know,

662
00:41:35,820 --> 00:41:39,030
obviously, we would, as we, as
we see those those categories

663
00:41:39,030 --> 00:41:45,300
come in, we would aggregate that
into, you know, into a list

664
00:41:45,300 --> 00:41:47,700
that's public and search in
searchable and that sort of

665
00:41:47,700 --> 00:41:48,060
thing.

666
00:41:49,260 --> 00:41:53,010
Adam Curry: Also, it's much more
worldly, inclusive, you know, so

667
00:41:53,010 --> 00:41:57,810
people can have Spanish
hashtags, you know, different

668
00:41:57,810 --> 00:42:02,520
languages. You know, I think
that makes a lot of sense.

669
00:42:03,810 --> 00:42:09,600
Dave Jones: Yeah, the if. So,
for if radio is the medium. And

670
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:14,970
then country is the category.
That's pretty self explanatory.

671
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:17,340
Yeah. Really? You're listening
to a country music radio

672
00:42:17,340 --> 00:42:17,910
stations?

673
00:42:17,940 --> 00:42:22,830
Adam Curry: Yeah. Then you could
even do hashtag FM. What would

674
00:42:22,830 --> 00:42:27,540
that do? FM. That means it's
also on FM.

675
00:42:28,110 --> 00:42:30,990
Dave Jones: Radio. It's Oh, it's
as it's like a rebroadcast of

676
00:42:30,990 --> 00:42:35,400
your radio station. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. All those those things?

677
00:42:35,430 --> 00:42:38,490
Like that's something that you
they if you curate a list, what

678
00:42:38,490 --> 00:42:41,790
you would do, of course, yeah.
It's hard to think of those edge

679
00:42:41,790 --> 00:42:43,020
cases all at the beginning,

680
00:42:43,110 --> 00:42:45,660
Adam Curry: of course, what what
you'll see then is, and this has

681
00:42:45,660 --> 00:42:49,080
always been an issue is people
will put 50 hashtags, remember

682
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:52,140
that, and then the beginning
with Twitter, people like 50

683
00:42:52,140 --> 00:42:56,850
hashtags, just to get picked up
by the hashtag searchers to

684
00:42:56,850 --> 00:42:59,490
theirs. But again, I think
there's all prior art on this

685
00:42:59,490 --> 00:43:00,360
that we can look at.

686
00:43:01,290 --> 00:43:04,410
Dave Jones: Yeah, we just have
some, you know, limit. Well,

687
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:07,170
well, that that works. I mean,
it's the same issue with

688
00:43:07,470 --> 00:43:11,550
keywords in the in iTunes
namespace now. Because people

689
00:43:11,550 --> 00:43:14,790
put keywords in there. And you
already know ahead of time that

690
00:43:14,790 --> 00:43:18,120
you're, they're never going to
look past I think it's like 10

691
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:21,300
or Sure, sure. And everybody
just understands, you know, if

692
00:43:21,300 --> 00:43:23,640
you put more than 10 in there,
you're, you're wasting your

693
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:27,750
time. So that that would emerge
to from the way this thing is

694
00:43:27,750 --> 00:43:33,360
used. I don't know if we want to
put you know, I don't know if we

695
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:37,170
want to put these things in pod
pain, or just let them be

696
00:43:37,170 --> 00:43:41,100
discoverable out. That may be
too much. We may just discover

697
00:43:41,100 --> 00:43:43,770
them from the feeds. I don't
know. All this stuff's yet to be

698
00:43:43,770 --> 00:43:45,480
determined. But

699
00:43:47,219 --> 00:43:49,559
Adam Curry: sounds like a good
way to go. Sounds like a good a

700
00:43:49,559 --> 00:43:51,179
good way to start.

701
00:43:52,049 --> 00:43:55,349
Dave Jones: Yeah, in May, and we
have. So here's the plan for

702
00:43:55,349 --> 00:44:03,779
phase seven. From my standpoint,
let me get over there and let me

703
00:44:03,779 --> 00:44:05,579
get over there on the hub. He's

704
00:44:05,580 --> 00:44:08,460
Adam Curry: on the hub Everybody
watch out. Watch out. Have you

705
00:44:08,460 --> 00:44:09,930
roped ready he's

706
00:44:13,230 --> 00:44:17,190
Dave Jones: by the way, Eric
peepee yeoman's work getting

707
00:44:18,900 --> 00:44:21,600
getting hell the new version of
hell pad on the Start nine

708
00:44:21,630 --> 00:44:25,470
Adam Curry: I know you want you
want to be totally blown away. I

709
00:44:25,470 --> 00:44:29,460
had sideloaded heli pad. So then
out shows up in the marketplace.

710
00:44:29,460 --> 00:44:34,500
It says update available. It
updated my side loaded, install.

711
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:39,870
Nice, impressive, very
impressive. Very impressive. And

712
00:44:39,870 --> 00:44:44,790
it works it's killer. And now if
you do a value time split the

713
00:44:44,790 --> 00:44:50,490
remote item good is resolved in
the in the entry. So you see the

714
00:44:50,490 --> 00:44:54,960
song name. Now you can click on
it and it takes you right to the

715
00:44:55,140 --> 00:44:59,970
I guess to the link. The length
is in the see if that's right.

716
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:00,120
Now

717
00:45:01,199 --> 00:45:04,019
Dave Jones: we need to figure
out if this new version of hell

718
00:45:04,019 --> 00:45:07,049
pad is showing so now you have
strange you have access to the

719
00:45:07,049 --> 00:45:07,709
streams right?

720
00:45:07,739 --> 00:45:11,189
Adam Curry: Oh, I already had
that in his in his version.

721
00:45:11,789 --> 00:45:17,369
Dave Jones: Okay Did you do you
see any of samsat these boosts

722
00:45:17,369 --> 00:45:21,209
come through only through the
streams or the boosts from pod

723
00:45:21,209 --> 00:45:21,719
fans

724
00:45:22,260 --> 00:45:26,280
Adam Curry: I believe I've seen
a pod fans entry I'm not sure

725
00:45:26,550 --> 00:45:30,630
there was probably under boost
it was for one sat so obviously

726
00:45:30,630 --> 00:45:33,750
I didn't stay looking at it for
very long You didn't let it

727
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:37,800
later on. I did not linger let
me see I've got a I'm looking at

728
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:43,800
streams right now. And let me
see I have pod verse fountain

729
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:52,980
breeze cast thematic I do not
see a pod fans yet. I don't know

730
00:45:52,980 --> 00:45:55,740
if Sam's listening they've had a
pretty busy week you know he's

731
00:45:55,740 --> 00:46:00,360
he's all star and everything.
British Podcast Awards. He's

732
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:01,860
celeb nice influencer

733
00:46:02,340 --> 00:46:04,050
Dave Jones: if you can take a
break from your wine

734
00:46:06,090 --> 00:46:11,580
Adam Curry: from your caviar
from your caviar now I don't see

735
00:46:11,580 --> 00:46:15,810
it yet. I have hot Well, you
know I could I could look at my

736
00:46:15,810 --> 00:46:21,930
export. I have a feeling that I
there was a pod fans that came

737
00:46:21,930 --> 00:46:22,290
in.

738
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:25,050
Dave Jones: Eric AP is asking
what the pod stands issue is the

739
00:46:25,050 --> 00:46:30,660
pod. The issue here is that
helipad. I think I'm filtering

740
00:46:31,050 --> 00:46:34,830
on just for the action in the
TLV. I think I'm filtering on

741
00:46:34,830 --> 00:46:39,090
just boost and stream. And some
of the pod fans TLVs were coming

742
00:46:39,090 --> 00:46:43,920
in with with other things that
were not in the protocol. So

743
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:46,170
they were getting they were just
there. They're just getting

744
00:46:46,170 --> 00:46:50,820
disappeared into the into the
into the memory Hall. And I can

745
00:46:50,820 --> 00:46:55,800
see them on our node because I
can see the database directly

746
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:58,770
and I can part reparse the TLV
has been in hell Upad I think is

747
00:46:58,770 --> 00:47:00,900
not even pulling them in to the
DB.

748
00:47:01,110 --> 00:47:05,640
Adam Curry: By the way. Sam
Sethi great job on the

749
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:06,750
Progressive Web App.

750
00:47:07,980 --> 00:47:08,820
Dave Jones: Oh, yeah, your

751
00:47:09,119 --> 00:47:12,989
Adam Curry: pod fans really
enjoyable. I used it. I couldn't

752
00:47:12,989 --> 00:47:17,819
find the boost button though. It
was just me. And it's an icon. I

753
00:47:17,819 --> 00:47:21,569
know I was streaming sites but I
I'm like where's the just wasn't

754
00:47:21,569 --> 00:47:25,799
apparent and sometimes you're so
used to something that you that

755
00:47:25,799 --> 00:47:28,409
something new comes along? You
don't quite understand it yet.

756
00:47:28,980 --> 00:47:34,140
Dave Jones: I love the Yeah,
only Yeah, that's right. Eric

757
00:47:34,140 --> 00:47:43,200
can only does boostin stream. I
love the installable PW A's. I

758
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:46,260
mean, which is a true PWA to
begin with. You know, it's not

759
00:47:46,260 --> 00:47:46,950
just a web app.

760
00:47:46,949 --> 00:47:49,259
Adam Curry: It's a progressive.
Yeah, yeah, exactly. Exactly.

761
00:47:49,290 --> 00:47:51,300
Dave Jones: It's like it's when
you when you go that extra step

762
00:47:51,300 --> 00:47:54,960
and make it sort of into an
installable item. Like music

763
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:59,820
side project. And that can or LM
Bates. I'm sorry. It's like it

764
00:47:59,820 --> 00:48:03,240
makes a huge difference if it
just feels good. It feels like a

765
00:48:03,240 --> 00:48:04,080
native app.

766
00:48:04,110 --> 00:48:05,940
Adam Curry: Yeah. Yeah.

767
00:48:08,100 --> 00:48:11,280
Dave Jones: Yeah, no. Drip. I
haven't put. We haven't done the

768
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:17,340
Umbral update of a helipad. Yet
I just. I met. I met this weird

769
00:48:17,340 --> 00:48:21,270
point. I had a great I had a
great meet up with Spurlock out

770
00:48:21,270 --> 00:48:28,650
in Dallas. Oh, yeah. Yeah, we
had beers. And you know, he was

771
00:48:29,100 --> 00:48:31,620
we're just talking over things.
And I mean, I'm in this weird

772
00:48:31,860 --> 00:48:36,960
point right now where I've got
it's a probably feel like Steven

773
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:41,640
B, where there's so many.
There's so many avenues of

774
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:46,470
things to roads to go down. I'm
not sure which one to tackle

775
00:48:46,470 --> 00:48:51,180
next. Because like hell Upad
needs love. The index needs. You

776
00:48:51,180 --> 00:48:55,410
know, API needs love. The
namespace needs love.

777
00:48:55,860 --> 00:49:00,810
Decentralization pod paying.
There's so many potential

778
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:02,580
avenues that you can just go
down.

779
00:49:02,610 --> 00:49:06,090
Adam Curry: I have a pod fence,
I found a pod fence. previously

780
00:49:06,090 --> 00:49:07,830
ran ball episode nine.

781
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:11,069
Dave Jones: So nine is less
reason.

782
00:49:11,489 --> 00:49:14,999
Adam Curry: Now 10 is the most
recent I just I was just looking

783
00:49:14,999 --> 00:49:21,749
and it was eight SATs though but
it was a booster gram. I think

784
00:49:21,899 --> 00:49:24,989
they'd have a message. Just see

785
00:49:25,740 --> 00:49:28,170
Dave Jones: in did it show up in
the boost section or the most

786
00:49:28,170 --> 00:49:28,800
stream so it

787
00:49:28,799 --> 00:49:32,819
Adam Curry: was number two.
Boost. Taylor Williams. Okay. So

788
00:49:32,819 --> 00:49:36,689
that was mystery solved. Did it
does come through Sam's just

789
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:38,519
drinkin. He's not listening to
us.

790
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:43,770
Dave Jones: He's not listening
to the show. Yes, I'm not I'm

791
00:49:43,770 --> 00:49:46,440
not sure which avenue to go
down. At this point. I don't

792
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:51,810
know where to focus my efforts
because we the top 100 It's

793
00:49:51,810 --> 00:49:55,860
mostly stable. It's working.
Yes, it needs it needs stuff

794
00:49:55,860 --> 00:50:00,810
too. But then everything else
needs stuff. I'm not real sure.

795
00:50:01,290 --> 00:50:02,190
You got an opinion?

796
00:50:03,030 --> 00:50:07,440
Adam Curry: Well, we just got we
just okay. I'm okay. Yes, I do

797
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:11,880
have an opinion. But okay, but
it's more from the podcaster

798
00:50:11,910 --> 00:50:18,060
perspective podcasts or
listener, etc. I would like to

799
00:50:18,090 --> 00:50:24,420
whatever we do, I would like it
to help solve or work towards

800
00:50:24,420 --> 00:50:28,500
solving one of the big issues of
podcasting with and this is one

801
00:50:28,500 --> 00:50:33,360
of my aha moments, which is
discovery. So the best way to

802
00:50:34,140 --> 00:50:38,070
promote a podcast is to have
another podcast or talk about

803
00:50:38,070 --> 00:50:42,450
it. Or if it's an interview show
to be on that show, and this is

804
00:50:42,450 --> 00:50:46,410
this has worked consistently. I
go on other podcasts, and then

805
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:49,380
the numbers go up, and people
will show up, show up and start

806
00:50:49,380 --> 00:50:55,620
to listen to my work and vice
versa. Which is I think what CSB

807
00:50:55,620 --> 00:50:58,470
is so brilliant at is, you know,
he's promoting other podcasts

808
00:50:58,470 --> 00:51:01,470
out of the goodness of his
heart, which, which I really

809
00:51:01,470 --> 00:51:05,880
appreciate. And it's a very,
it's a very important mechanism.

810
00:51:05,910 --> 00:51:11,010
And it's, it's serendipity. So,
you know, obviously, pod roll is

811
00:51:11,010 --> 00:51:15,720
something that that does that.
But I being in my music mode

812
00:51:15,720 --> 00:51:23,130
right now, I really want to be
able to surf the grid to go from

813
00:51:23,460 --> 00:51:28,350
song heard on podcast, also
heard on these podcasts, because

814
00:51:28,350 --> 00:51:35,580
that will eventually be email
snippet of podcast, also hurt

815
00:51:35,910 --> 00:51:39,270
played on this podcast, here's
that podcast, here's although

816
00:51:39,270 --> 00:51:43,140
it's the linking of it, it's
kind of the, it's the web grid

817
00:51:43,140 --> 00:51:48,450
connection. It's the it's, it's
a huge idea, the remote item.

818
00:51:48,720 --> 00:51:54,660
And in the end, including that,
in feeds is a mind boggling

819
00:51:57,510 --> 00:52:02,400
feature. And its infrastructure.
And so if there's any way any

820
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:04,980
whatever we do, if it can
facilitate that, and of course,

821
00:52:04,980 --> 00:52:08,730
we have an easy, an easy way to
start, which is with music.

822
00:52:09,450 --> 00:52:12,630
That's something I would love
because I know that that will

823
00:52:12,750 --> 00:52:18,030
accelerate the amount of people
doing podcasts that include

824
00:52:18,030 --> 00:52:24,720
music. So it will, it will both
create new podcasts and it will

825
00:52:24,720 --> 00:52:28,110
invigorate older ones. And it
will kickstart something that

826
00:52:28,110 --> 00:52:33,420
is, is clearly music in feeds is
podcasts. I don't care what you

827
00:52:33,420 --> 00:52:37,470
call it. It's a podcast. It's a
very short podcast, it's a three

828
00:52:37,470 --> 00:52:41,250
and a half minute podcast, it's
a podcast, no one can tell me

829
00:52:41,250 --> 00:52:45,810
that there's a real difference
between an RSS feed with an

830
00:52:45,810 --> 00:52:50,880
enclosure of 120 megabytes that
includes two people talking, or

831
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:53,550
three megabytes that includes
two people singing I mean, you

832
00:52:53,550 --> 00:52:57,720
know, it's like it's the same
thing. It's a podcast. So now I

833
00:52:57,720 --> 00:53:01,380
understand the the the surface
differences. But that connection

834
00:53:01,380 --> 00:53:05,190
that surfing around has me very,
very, very excited because

835
00:53:05,190 --> 00:53:10,350
that's me. Oh, that's that's the
web. That's That's what life is

836
00:53:10,350 --> 00:53:11,280
that's connection.

837
00:53:14,130 --> 00:53:17,490
Dave Jones: Okay, so where do
you think I know where that I

838
00:53:17,490 --> 00:53:20,640
think I know where I need to
start then. Okay, because so

839
00:53:20,850 --> 00:53:26,880
remote item is still not in the
index. So that's the, that's the

840
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:32,190
place to start there. Put the
remote item but the remote Items

841
00:53:32,190 --> 00:53:35,250
table in the index so that we
can begin to properly capture

842
00:53:35,250 --> 00:53:43,980
that from the feed, then then we
can start to do the linkage

843
00:53:44,010 --> 00:53:48,630
there. Then we can pump that
stuff out into other in not just

844
00:53:48,630 --> 00:53:51,510
through the endpoints but
through or not just the the API

845
00:53:51,510 --> 00:53:55,380
itself, but we can put it into
the chart. And all that I'm

846
00:53:55,380 --> 00:53:58,200
assuming that's where this ends
up right in the chart and in

847
00:53:58,590 --> 00:54:01,260
Indian ln beats and pod fans and
pod verse And

848
00:54:03,869 --> 00:54:06,869
Adam Curry: yes, I think that
that's an important. I think the

849
00:54:06,869 --> 00:54:11,879
apps I mean, this is something
that the Oscar sent us a screen

850
00:54:11,879 --> 00:54:14,399
recording of something which
looked really cool and was kind

851
00:54:14,399 --> 00:54:17,789
of a version of what I just
said, when I was like hey, you

852
00:54:17,789 --> 00:54:21,839
know this, this this podcast
played this song, click on this

853
00:54:21,839 --> 00:54:24,779
song you can now you now you're
in the artist, you can see

854
00:54:24,779 --> 00:54:27,569
everything the artist is doing.
Then he had a version of that.

855
00:54:28,139 --> 00:54:31,919
Again, I think that the the top
100 which currently let's see,

856
00:54:32,189 --> 00:54:38,069
this is the top 100 This week is
166. Let's see what are we up

857
00:54:38,069 --> 00:54:43,049
to? We're still 166 Oh yeah, it
takes an hour to update. That

858
00:54:43,049 --> 00:54:46,889
needs to be in apps. This is the
I mean, we went through this

859
00:54:46,889 --> 00:54:50,069
last week. We don't want to be
the destination. This is just a

860
00:54:50,069 --> 00:54:53,729
play out which is good to get us
looking at what it does to have

861
00:54:53,729 --> 00:54:57,299
something to look at. But on the
last booster grand ball, I said

862
00:54:57,299 --> 00:55:01,769
top 100 Go to Ellen beat now and
I want to be able to say, Gosh,

863
00:55:01,769 --> 00:55:04,199
look at your look at your app.
It's in there. Yeah.

864
00:55:05,730 --> 00:55:10,500
Dave Jones: So okay so that
yeah, all right. So we you want

865
00:55:10,500 --> 00:55:14,880
to be you want podcast, you want
podcast guru to be able to say

866
00:55:14,910 --> 00:55:20,160
it to be able to show you know
you listen to a song and then it

867
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:24,180
says you know hey here's the for
DJ shows that that song was

868
00:55:24,180 --> 00:55:24,750
played on.

869
00:55:26,100 --> 00:55:28,830
Adam Curry: I mean, I can see it
going even further than that but

870
00:55:28,830 --> 00:55:30,120
yes, because ultimately

871
00:55:31,199 --> 00:55:33,749
Dave Jones: will go go further.
Okay. All right. So

872
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:36,510
Adam Curry: I heard a song on a
podcast I heard a play it on a

873
00:55:36,510 --> 00:55:42,060
podcast. Wow, that was a song.
Remember that? That song? Yeah.

874
00:55:42,330 --> 00:55:45,840
That was the first the first
version of this song. Yeah, I've

875
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:49,710
heard it on a podcast. Brother
Love wasn't it brother love

876
00:55:49,710 --> 00:55:55,260
Brother Love. Current podcast?
Yeah, I think let me just see if

877
00:55:55,260 --> 00:56:03,060
I can find this. Okay, so I'm
listening to I wish I could find

878
00:56:03,060 --> 00:56:03,660
that song.

879
00:56:04,260 --> 00:56:05,850
Dave Jones: Tell me that's not
the song for today?

880
00:56:06,420 --> 00:56:12,420
Adam Curry: No, no, otherwise
was the song I heard it on a

881
00:56:12,420 --> 00:56:16,800
podcast. It was good. It was a
good song. So I hear a song on

882
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:22,170
the podcast. Then my app is
saying here are the songs that

883
00:56:22,170 --> 00:56:25,500
were played in this podcast. Oh,
I'm going to click on the song.

884
00:56:25,590 --> 00:56:29,310
Boom. Now I can follow the
artists so that when the artists

885
00:56:29,310 --> 00:56:34,020
releases something new, I'll get
it I can see other songs that

886
00:56:34,020 --> 00:56:36,870
this artist has released as a
part of this collection maybe or

887
00:56:36,900 --> 00:56:41,820
you know or tap in to see their
collections albums etc. I can

888
00:56:41,820 --> 00:56:45,660
and then this song was also
played on these podcasts I can

889
00:56:45,660 --> 00:56:49,290
click to that, but I can also in
the future see this song

890
00:56:49,290 --> 00:56:56,940
includes a sample from this song
Okay, or this song includes work

891
00:56:56,940 --> 00:56:59,640
by this person. I mean, this is
where the whole index comes into

892
00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:05,250
play right? This artist you know
this this guitar player? I know

893
00:57:05,250 --> 00:57:07,650
this is not remote items are but
I'm just giving you the

894
00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:12,840
overview. Oh, Sir sir sir
Spencer played on this well,

895
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:16,080
what else? It's there Spencer do
this is this we have all the

896
00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:19,080
data. And it's not all the same
thing. It's not all remote item.

897
00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:21,540
But I think you understand what,
what I'm what I'm talking

898
00:57:21,540 --> 00:57:26,970
Dave Jones: I do? Yeah, yeah. Do
in this. Yeah, this is very,

899
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:31,620
this is doable. Because we can
begin to link these we begin to

900
00:57:31,620 --> 00:57:35,400
link those things together with
the person tag and other things.

901
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:40,350
I mean, like because we haven't
really put you know that that

902
00:57:40,350 --> 00:57:43,680
second sort of like, what would
you call like second level?

903
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:52,320
Connect connections or inner
interop? Where where you have so

904
00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:55,980
you have a DJ show? It was okay,
so booster grand ball. The

905
00:57:55,980 --> 00:57:59,760
booster grand ball you're
playing? You're playing songs by

906
00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:05,190
let's say you play able in the
wolf? Yes. Well, then sir

907
00:58:05,190 --> 00:58:10,110
Spencer's person tag is in the
remote is in the feed is

908
00:58:10,110 --> 00:58:15,600
referenced by remote item. So
you can go get it. And now show

909
00:58:16,350 --> 00:58:21,600
that now show his picture. And,
you know, and that kind of

910
00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:26,280
thing, and then also pull in the
other albums that his person tag

911
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:27,210
exists in?

912
00:58:27,810 --> 00:58:32,280
Adam Curry: Yes. Precisely all
of that stuff. And then it's,

913
00:58:33,300 --> 00:58:38,640
and this solves the big problem
of discovery. It really does. I

914
00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:44,070
mean, it makes it so much it's
so much better. Also, I promised

915
00:58:44,070 --> 00:58:46,620
everyone in my keynote we were
going to do that. Just saying

916
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:51,300
Dave Jones: I made a special
promise. Just

917
00:58:51,300 --> 00:58:54,900
Adam Curry: say I did make a
special promise. Because no one

918
00:58:54,900 --> 00:59:00,090
else can. This only works with
with RSS. No one No one else can

919
00:59:00,090 --> 00:59:03,480
do this. It's It's so unique. is
incredibly unique.

920
00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:08,250
Dave Jones: I've got a I've got
an ISO you can fire well on that

921
00:59:08,490 --> 00:59:09,210
one. No.

922
00:59:09,210 --> 00:59:17,400
Adam Curry: Okay. I mean, right.
Yeah. Congratulations to Mitch.

923
00:59:17,790 --> 00:59:23,790
Mitch Downey. quitting his JD
day job for three months. That's

924
00:59:23,790 --> 00:59:25,470
some dedication right there,
man.

925
00:59:26,159 --> 00:59:28,379
Dave Jones: He's, he's been
dedicated since day one.

926
00:59:28,409 --> 00:59:30,929
Adam Curry: I know. But he was
born dead. I know. But he's just

927
00:59:30,929 --> 00:59:33,599
like, I'm gonna I'm gonna focus
on this for three months and

928
00:59:33,599 --> 00:59:37,919
just go go go. I love that.
Yeah, and that's balls. That's

929
00:59:37,919 --> 00:59:41,519
balls. I love that. Can I say it
again? How much I love. I love

930
00:59:41,519 --> 00:59:47,879
it. I love that. That's great.
Mitch. I've my most exciting

931
00:59:47,879 --> 00:59:52,949
moments of life has been when
I've quit things. Yeah, to do

932
00:59:52,949 --> 00:59:54,569
coding to do something else.

933
00:59:55,949 --> 00:59:59,969
Dave Jones: Yes, the Mitch is
hardcore. He when He He believes

934
00:59:59,999 --> 01:00:03,329
and something he goes, he goes
for it. He doesn't just, you

935
01:00:03,329 --> 01:00:08,219
know, he's not he's not a half
assed person. That I think,

936
01:00:08,249 --> 01:00:13,649
yeah, you know, the the pilot
that the other thing means

937
01:00:13,649 --> 01:00:18,449
Spurlock talked about was just
the podcast ecosystem in

938
01:00:18,449 --> 01:00:24,299
general. I mean, it's so messy
right now with you know, all

939
01:00:24,569 --> 01:00:29,999
even I mean every week it's it's
layoffs and and stuff I mean

940
01:00:29,999 --> 01:00:36,329
it's it's nerve wracking time to
be making a business that is

941
01:00:36,329 --> 01:00:43,079
dependent on podcasting for your
main source of revenue. I mean,

942
01:00:43,079 --> 01:00:47,969
like you can make it, if you
really think it through and you

943
01:00:48,899 --> 01:00:54,269
and you have a plan and you do a
good job. And you don't, you

944
01:00:54,269 --> 01:00:57,539
know, you don't, you're not
thinking exit strategy, you're

945
01:00:57,539 --> 01:01:02,279
thinking about your product, not
your exit. If you if you think

946
01:01:02,279 --> 01:01:06,599
things through that way, I think
you can, you can for sure, make

947
01:01:06,599 --> 01:01:13,259
money in providing a service or
a product and podcasting, but

948
01:01:13,859 --> 01:01:17,039
it's not I mean, we gotta be
honest, it's not. It's scary.

949
01:01:17,819 --> 01:01:21,779
It's a scary time. And anytime
somebody sticks their neck out

950
01:01:21,779 --> 01:01:23,849
and says, you know, hey, I
believe in I believe in my

951
01:01:23,849 --> 01:01:26,279
product and my I believe in
myself and I'm going to make

952
01:01:26,279 --> 01:01:30,299
this happen. A kudos man. I got
mad respect for

953
01:01:30,299 --> 01:01:31,919
Adam Curry: that. Absolutely.

954
01:01:33,060 --> 01:01:36,120
Dave Jones: Absolute mad
respect. And he's a no puffers

955
01:01:36,120 --> 01:01:38,760
has been around. People forget
that. You know, I'm just gonna

956
01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:41,220
geek on pot first for a little
bit run out. Commerce has been

957
01:01:41,220 --> 01:01:45,150
around for, like 10 years, quite
a while Oh, yeah, way before

958
01:01:45,150 --> 01:01:49,920
podcasting way before we came
along. Like it's been up. I

959
01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:54,270
don't think it was fully open
source. I think that came later,

960
01:01:54,270 --> 01:01:59,820
maybe in the last maybe two
years ago. But pod verse has

961
01:01:59,820 --> 01:02:05,310
been around a long time. And
he's, that's dedication. And

962
01:02:05,310 --> 01:02:08,130
that's what you see with
podcasting apps in general.

963
01:02:08,670 --> 01:02:12,840
Typically, podcast apps that are
written by individuals, small

964
01:02:12,840 --> 01:02:19,680
shops, you know, think think
about Franco, Marco. Jason over

965
01:02:19,680 --> 01:02:28,050
podcast, Guru, Xavier, a podcast
addict. These these apps, they

966
01:02:28,050 --> 01:02:32,400
typically they are not the
developers don't bail out on

967
01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:36,960
them. You don't see these these
things just going kaput. No,

968
01:02:37,380 --> 01:02:40,710
they stick around. And the
developers hate they they leave

969
01:02:40,830 --> 01:02:44,550
even Martin from pod friend. His
his life has been messy the last

970
01:02:44,550 --> 01:02:47,370
couple of years. And he's had to
he's had to leave and then come

971
01:02:47,370 --> 01:02:49,290
back to development and that
kind of thing. But that thing

972
01:02:49,290 --> 01:02:53,640
just keeps running. You're still
working? Yeah, it's got a

973
01:02:53,640 --> 01:02:57,210
dedicated user base that use pod
friend all the time, and he just

974
01:02:57,210 --> 01:03:01,470
keeps running. And it makes it's
just it's important, man,

975
01:03:01,500 --> 01:03:07,350
because you can I have a bad
habit of the demon I fight on a

976
01:03:07,350 --> 01:03:12,120
daily basis is cynicism. I'm not
gonna if I'm not careful, I can

977
01:03:12,120 --> 01:03:16,140
just be overcome with cynicism.
Really, and, and just be like,

978
01:03:16,410 --> 01:03:19,800
it's all bullshit. This is all
everybody's, you know,

979
01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:21,960
everybody's in it for
themselves. And I'm not talking

980
01:03:21,960 --> 01:03:25,380
about just podcasts I'm talking
about in general, you know, with

981
01:03:25,500 --> 01:03:28,560
with life and government. And,
you know, when I see things like

982
01:03:28,560 --> 01:03:33,060
the Canadian registry stuff, I'm
like, you know, thinking it's

983
01:03:33,060 --> 01:03:35,460
just ratchet effect. Of course,
they're gonna screw everybody,

984
01:03:35,460 --> 01:03:35,700
you know,

985
01:03:36,270 --> 01:03:38,760
Adam Curry: that gets me really
excited. I'm like, Oh, wow, look

986
01:03:38,760 --> 01:03:40,980
at oh, we're gonna circumvent
all this. They get they're gonna

987
01:03:40,980 --> 01:03:44,160
have to come and take take my
podcasts from my cold dead

988
01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:48,210
fingers. I'm gonna go out there
and I'm gonna I'm gonna stand in

989
01:03:48,210 --> 01:03:52,920
front of this whole group with
my with my AR ah, oh, no, I get

990
01:03:52,920 --> 01:03:53,880
excited by it.

991
01:03:54,420 --> 01:03:57,870
Dave Jones: I get such
motivation and intemperate

992
01:03:57,960 --> 01:04:04,710
tempering, from seeing the
people in 2.0. That just, they

993
01:04:04,710 --> 01:04:07,980
plug away at it every day. They
don't get discouraged. They just

994
01:04:07,980 --> 01:04:12,630
get or they do everybody does
sometimes but they they, you

995
01:04:12,630 --> 01:04:16,320
know, the the measure of of
character. One measure of

996
01:04:16,320 --> 01:04:19,470
character is you get
discouraged, and you get down.

997
01:04:19,980 --> 01:04:24,720
But you still keep doing the
thing. You don't stop. You don't

998
01:04:24,720 --> 01:04:30,060
let it overwhelm you. You keep
plugging away at the thing that

999
01:04:30,060 --> 01:04:34,710
you you may not even believe in
it at the moment. But you know,

1000
01:04:34,710 --> 01:04:38,640
you should because that's where
the character is. The character

1001
01:04:38,640 --> 01:04:41,940
is in believing in a bigger idea
believing that something can be

1002
01:04:41,940 --> 01:04:46,770
bigger than you are. It's
correct. Correct. That is

1003
01:04:46,770 --> 01:04:47,400
inspiring.

1004
01:04:47,820 --> 01:04:51,480
Adam Curry: So elephant in the
room for a moment. There was

1005
01:04:51,660 --> 01:04:58,560
over on Stephen B's emporium of
apps. The curio? Yes. Well. He

1006
01:04:58,560 --> 01:05:06,240
has the he has the telegram. My
like a telegram house. I really

1007
01:05:06,240 --> 01:05:10,440
don't like Telegram, but I kind
of hate it. It's not my favorite

1008
01:05:10,440 --> 01:05:13,290
app. But you know. So that's
where Steven B has set up his

1009
01:05:13,710 --> 01:05:17,370
six different groups that we've
talked about his different

1010
01:05:17,370 --> 01:05:22,740
products. And after some waiting
and some promising wavelengths

1011
01:05:22,770 --> 01:05:25,380
came out with their wavelength
artists splits.

1012
01:05:25,829 --> 01:05:27,929
Dave Jones: Yes. Okay. I want to
know your thoughts on this,

1013
01:05:27,929 --> 01:05:31,559
because I have thoughts that I
think may not may, I think may

1014
01:05:31,559 --> 01:05:32,729
be different than yours. Okay.

1015
01:05:33,659 --> 01:05:35,999
Adam Curry: So first of all,
there's there's a lot of

1016
01:05:36,269 --> 01:05:41,219
disappointment, anger,
resentment, that, that I was

1017
01:05:41,219 --> 01:05:48,569
reading and feeling. Ranging
from in well, and you know,

1018
01:05:48,599 --> 01:05:51,749
we're going to be talking to
those guys soon. So it'd be the

1019
01:05:51,749 --> 01:05:56,549
same thing I'd say to him on a
call. The thing that one of the

1020
01:05:56,549 --> 01:05:59,369
things is, you know, they just
ripped off the idea if they kept

1021
01:05:59,369 --> 01:06:02,129
kind of like a Spotify vibe,
like they ripped off the idea of

1022
01:06:02,129 --> 01:06:04,769
splits, but didn't do it in this
in a way that's compatible with

1023
01:06:04,769 --> 01:06:08,549
what we're doing. And just for
context, when we talk about a

1024
01:06:08,549 --> 01:06:12,299
value block split, that is
something that is published in

1025
01:06:12,329 --> 01:06:17,009
the feed for the artist, or
podcast, I should just say, in

1026
01:06:17,009 --> 01:06:20,009
this case, talking about music.
And so you can see what

1027
01:06:20,009 --> 01:06:24,749
percentage goes to which which
person and that's, that's

1028
01:06:24,749 --> 01:06:27,209
important for a number of
reasons. One is it is

1029
01:06:27,209 --> 01:06:30,329
transparent, which is something
I've been very adamant about,

1030
01:06:30,329 --> 01:06:34,769
because this is how you
circumvent ASCAP BMI and record

1031
01:06:34,769 --> 01:06:38,969
labels and shady backroom deals
and who gets wad and publishing

1032
01:06:38,969 --> 01:06:41,879
and all this stuff, you put all
up front, everybody can see it,

1033
01:06:42,809 --> 01:06:48,779
then it also enables you to use
a distributed systems for

1034
01:06:48,779 --> 01:06:51,629
payments. So it doesn't have to
be one, one wallet or one

1035
01:06:51,629 --> 01:06:58,829
system. So that's kind of our
open way of doing things. And

1036
01:06:59,399 --> 01:07:03,869
then everyone expected wave
lakes artist splits to show up

1037
01:07:03,899 --> 01:07:08,639
in the feed. And then it showed
up best something behind there.

1038
01:07:08,939 --> 01:07:12,389
There, they'll just call it a
wall for for lack of a better

1039
01:07:12,389 --> 01:07:16,229
term. And it really is still
it's going into the wave Lake

1040
01:07:16,229 --> 01:07:19,559
bank, and then wave Lake splits
it up. There's, you know,

1041
01:07:19,559 --> 01:07:22,619
there's some superficial
limitations, like you can only

1042
01:07:22,619 --> 01:07:26,429
have four, but you can't be you
can't really put us as an

1043
01:07:26,429 --> 01:07:30,059
artist, you can't put a split in
for someone who is non wave

1044
01:07:30,059 --> 01:07:37,469
lake. And it felt very music
industry ish. Like a label,

1045
01:07:37,499 --> 01:07:42,989
basically. And I and I think
that they come from that world.

1046
01:07:43,349 --> 01:07:46,079
And that's how they're thinking,
and that's why they came up with

1047
01:07:46,079 --> 01:07:52,169
it. But it was kind of it was a
disappointment, because people

1048
01:07:52,169 --> 01:07:56,279
thought that they were going to
be part of the the open system.

1049
01:07:56,699 --> 01:08:00,659
I'm not, I'm not, it was
disappointed because I I felt

1050
01:08:00,659 --> 01:08:03,149
like when someone says we're
going to do splits, this is what

1051
01:08:03,149 --> 01:08:06,929
I expected. We got something
else. He basically they became

1052
01:08:06,929 --> 01:08:11,309
an Aldi, you know, and then so
that, you know, you can share

1053
01:08:11,309 --> 01:08:15,839
your account with somebody,
which is okay, but I don't think

1054
01:08:15,839 --> 01:08:21,119
it's long term. I don't think
it's great for any type of

1055
01:08:21,119 --> 01:08:24,269
podcast, whether it's because
they're a podcast host,

1056
01:08:24,269 --> 01:08:30,209
basically, their podcasts are
short ones, with music and, and

1057
01:08:30,209 --> 01:08:33,269
they're, and I think they are
very focused on their playout

1058
01:08:33,269 --> 01:08:37,979
system on their website. And I
believe that doing an app, and I

1059
01:08:37,979 --> 01:08:43,169
think it's very limiting for
them. Doesn't hurt me that much.

1060
01:08:43,349 --> 01:08:48,569
Because there's I think there's
enough alternatives that we had

1061
01:08:48,569 --> 01:08:53,129
Dobby das who was just set this
up for artists with a true path

1062
01:08:53,129 --> 01:08:57,809
for artists on RSS blue.com. So
people can I think it's good to

1063
01:08:57,809 --> 01:09:03,509
have choices. Um, so as usual,
Freedom always requires an extra

1064
01:09:03,509 --> 01:09:08,429
step. If you want freedom, then
you go you then you don't go to

1065
01:09:08,429 --> 01:09:08,999
wave Lake.

1066
01:09:11,460 --> 01:09:15,480
Dave Jones: Yeah, yeah. I think
you hit I think you hit it

1067
01:09:16,020 --> 01:09:19,590
appropriately when you said
they're a hosting company. They

1068
01:09:19,590 --> 01:09:22,770
are. That's what they are. They
are a podcast hosting company,

1069
01:09:23,070 --> 01:09:26,730
with very short podcast with a
very short, very short podcast.

1070
01:09:27,450 --> 01:09:33,060
And I think that's really,
that's that's the proper context

1071
01:09:33,060 --> 01:09:39,210
for this for this discussion. So
I had to through sort of initial

1072
01:09:39,210 --> 01:09:49,560
reactions. One was, it's
understandable that they've that

1073
01:09:49,560 --> 01:09:56,550
they've only serve actually,
they are a hosting company. And

1074
01:09:57,570 --> 01:10:05,490
if you will, Have not seen any
hosting companies so far include

1075
01:10:05,490 --> 01:10:11,190
wallets include wallets, so they
are not just a hosting company

1076
01:10:11,820 --> 01:10:18,120
wavelike is, is an as you can
imagine they are if rss.com

1077
01:10:18,840 --> 01:10:23,430
merged with Albie, that's that's
what wavelike is?

1078
01:10:23,670 --> 01:10:24,570
Adam Curry: Yes. But it's

1079
01:10:25,950 --> 01:10:27,870
Dave Jones: their hosting
company that was also version

1080
01:10:29,280 --> 01:10:30,210
Adam Curry: zero 0.01.

1081
01:10:31,320 --> 01:10:36,060
Dave Jones: Yes, because also do
not have nearly the resources of

1082
01:10:36,120 --> 01:10:40,200
rss.com or blueberry or
Buzzsprout. You know, they don't

1083
01:10:40,230 --> 01:10:47,640
have they wavelike is
microarray. And now, very, very

1084
01:10:47,640 --> 01:10:51,210
recently, one other developer
that may be part time, I'm not

1085
01:10:51,210 --> 01:10:54,660
sure. And that's very reason I
think that's within the last few

1086
01:10:54,660 --> 01:11:00,150
weeks. So it really is a one man
show, essentially, for the most

1087
01:11:00,150 --> 01:11:00,570
part.

1088
01:11:00,600 --> 01:11:03,990
Adam Curry: So it was RSS, blue,
but they're doing, they're doing

1089
01:11:04,200 --> 01:11:11,040
three things. Right. And that,
and I think that's the issue. If

1090
01:11:11,040 --> 01:11:13,800
you're a hosting company, if
you're a podcast hosting

1091
01:11:13,800 --> 01:11:19,770
company, you're i Your mission
is to get your, your clients

1092
01:11:19,890 --> 01:11:24,060
distributed as far and wide as
possible. That is the inverse of

1093
01:11:24,060 --> 01:11:29,010
what they are doing. Although,
after much requests from us,

1094
01:11:29,010 --> 01:11:33,750
they are adding, I think
automatically now adding feeds

1095
01:11:33,750 --> 01:11:37,290
to the index. So that's, you
know, so they're succeeding

1096
01:11:37,290 --> 01:11:40,590
somewhat on that, I believe
they're also they're trying to

1097
01:11:40,590 --> 01:11:48,540
be like, like a pod bean, or
they're trying to be the, the

1098
01:11:48,540 --> 01:11:53,490
distributor, or the publisher
and distributor, and the at the

1099
01:11:53,490 --> 01:11:58,350
client all at the same time. And
I think the, you know, it's hard

1100
01:11:58,350 --> 01:12:02,940
to do great hosting, and have a
great app with user experience.

1101
01:12:03,120 --> 01:12:05,070
And you know, and do all of
those things.

1102
01:12:05,820 --> 01:12:09,600
Dave Jones: Right, that that's,
that's where my comment about

1103
01:12:09,600 --> 01:12:13,440
just having one developer,
that's where that comes in.

1104
01:12:13,440 --> 01:12:19,140
Because I feel it, man. I mean,
when you got a day job and a

1105
01:12:19,140 --> 01:12:22,290
bunch of different products to
manage, you feel like you do a

1106
01:12:22,290 --> 01:12:26,880
terrible job at all of it. And I
think in the only way that you

1107
01:12:26,880 --> 01:12:30,870
manage those expectations for
yourself and your product, is by

1108
01:12:30,870 --> 01:12:34,800
going slow, and taking time and
doing very incremental

1109
01:12:34,920 --> 01:12:38,700
improvements over time. And I
think that's exactly what

1110
01:12:38,700 --> 01:12:44,280
wavelengths doing. I don't, I
think I think this is step one

1111
01:12:44,940 --> 01:12:49,380
of this process. And they're
also trying to, they're also

1112
01:12:49,380 --> 01:12:53,670
trying to integrate, we may, we
may not like this or understand

1113
01:12:53,670 --> 01:12:55,920
this, but they're also trying to
integrate with noster on their

1114
01:12:55,920 --> 01:13:00,240
back end. And so that they're
having they're having their feet

1115
01:13:00,240 --> 01:13:03,690
are in two different worlds.
There's the fetus URSS, and

1116
01:13:03,690 --> 01:13:08,130
nostra both. Yep. So whatever
solution they come up with, to

1117
01:13:08,130 --> 01:13:12,960
make it work for both, yes. So
if that may, that means that

1118
01:13:13,590 --> 01:13:17,970
they can, at any one moment,
they're going to be writing to,

1119
01:13:19,050 --> 01:13:24,300
they're gonna be writing to the,
to the pot to the publishing

1120
01:13:24,300 --> 01:13:31,020
side, or the money side, or the
app or the consumption side. And

1121
01:13:31,020 --> 01:13:34,980
it's really hard to do all of
those at the same time. So if

1122
01:13:34,980 --> 01:13:40,260
you, if you do if you do one, if
you do the publishing side, and

1123
01:13:40,410 --> 01:13:44,760
get that, get that working in
some fashion, in a way that's

1124
01:13:44,790 --> 01:13:51,150
easy for the person, perceived
easy for their users, for the

1125
01:13:51,150 --> 01:13:57,180
artists who are their users to
add splits. And then you make

1126
01:13:57,180 --> 01:14:03,180
sure that it works, it goes out
every it finds functional. Then

1127
01:14:03,750 --> 01:14:08,790
you go and now you go step two,
and now you can put those make

1128
01:14:08,790 --> 01:14:13,260
those things open. You just you
can't, it's very difficult to do

1129
01:14:13,260 --> 01:14:14,760
all of this all at once.

1130
01:14:15,030 --> 01:14:18,060
Adam Curry: It sounds like you
know more than we do. I'll be

1131
01:14:18,060 --> 01:14:19,020
very honest with you.

1132
01:14:19,410 --> 01:14:22,350
Dave Jones: No, that's not true.
I don't know anything more. I'm

1133
01:14:22,350 --> 01:14:26,460
looking at this purely as a solo
developer. And I'm looking at

1134
01:14:26,460 --> 01:14:31,500
the amount of stuff that they
they are doing, because look at

1135
01:14:31,500 --> 01:14:37,080
okay, think about this way. Use
the I use the example of rss.com

1136
01:14:37,080 --> 01:14:40,890
or bus route. They have many
developers. They have many

1137
01:14:40,890 --> 01:14:46,200
developers and they're all in
there. And they still take weeks

1138
01:14:46,200 --> 01:14:50,220
or months to bring out a new
feature. Sure. This is one dude,

1139
01:14:50,250 --> 01:14:55,980
Adam Curry: I hear you. But
they're basically programming.

1140
01:14:56,370 --> 01:15:00,930
Okay, I totally understand that
develop And they're developing

1141
01:15:00,930 --> 01:15:03,750
for to distribute it. Let's go
back to the to the to the

1142
01:15:03,750 --> 01:15:07,440
basics, this is really a problem
of developing for two

1143
01:15:07,440 --> 01:15:10,620
distribution mechanisms that
have a payment model included in

1144
01:15:10,620 --> 01:15:16,230
it. And they are chasing one
more than the other, I believe,

1145
01:15:16,560 --> 01:15:21,000
or they are trying to set it up.
So both work that if you're one

1146
01:15:21,000 --> 01:15:26,970
developer, I think that's very,
very precarious. I mean, this is

1147
01:15:26,970 --> 01:15:31,320
why we, I pushed I pushed very
hard, let's, how can we

1148
01:15:31,320 --> 01:15:34,620
integrate Nasir, and nothing
happened, because the people

1149
01:15:34,620 --> 01:15:37,980
over here in the RSS world like
now, then and I'm not

1150
01:15:37,980 --> 01:15:41,490
interested, you know, I've heard
Oscar say he's doing something

1151
01:15:41,490 --> 01:15:45,270
but you know, build it, and I'll
believe it. This is an when you

1152
01:15:45,270 --> 01:15:51,120
have something functioning,
then. I mean, it's just it's

1153
01:15:51,180 --> 01:15:55,650
your point is incredibly well
made. But what happened is that

1154
01:15:55,650 --> 01:16:01,380
a lot of people were pushing and
helping and very excited about

1155
01:16:01,380 --> 01:16:04,260
wave Lake, and they felt like
they got sold a bill of goods,

1156
01:16:04,260 --> 01:16:10,770
because their splits is not what
they were expecting. And you

1157
01:16:10,800 --> 01:16:14,760
that broke something not in me,
per se, but it broke something.

1158
01:16:15,900 --> 01:16:17,880
There was a there was a
community breakage.

1159
01:16:18,690 --> 01:16:20,790
Dave Jones: I know, I know that.
I know, this bizarre and people

1160
01:16:20,790 --> 01:16:24,150
are gonna be mad at me for for
defending this and, but it's

1161
01:16:24,150 --> 01:16:30,840
just I can I can look at it and
know that I put myself in their,

1162
01:16:30,870 --> 01:16:35,490
in their shoes. And I can see
myself as Michael and trying to

1163
01:16:35,490 --> 01:16:41,460
manage the rollout of features
that you that you need, you need

1164
01:16:41,460 --> 01:16:44,970
them to work and you need them
to be easy. And you're also

1165
01:16:44,970 --> 01:16:50,280
trying to do all these things at
once. The thing that the only

1166
01:16:50,280 --> 01:16:54,540
way to its self defense as a
programmer, self defense as a

1167
01:16:54,540 --> 01:17:00,360
programmer is incremental, small
changes that you know, that you

1168
01:17:00,360 --> 01:17:03,960
can be confident in. So when so

1169
01:17:04,169 --> 01:17:06,449
Adam Curry: Waveland was was
this incremental?

1170
01:17:07,980 --> 01:17:12,600
Dave Jones: This is very
incremental, because wavelike it

1171
01:17:13,200 --> 01:17:15,960
imagine, okay, look at the
complexity of what albies doing.

1172
01:17:16,350 --> 01:17:24,000
Now B we can say is, is, quote
unquote, open. You can they have

1173
01:17:24,000 --> 01:17:29,400
put like sort of public wallets,
okay? That's the only thing they

1174
01:17:29,400 --> 01:17:34,770
do. Imagine if Albie then
decided to start hosting music.

1175
01:17:36,000 --> 01:17:40,800
Now, all of that extra
complexity goes into becoming

1176
01:17:40,800 --> 01:17:44,820
now they're going to become a
podcast host. All of a sudden,

1177
01:17:44,850 --> 01:17:48,120
Bhumi over there is pulling his
hair out. And he's got to make

1178
01:17:48,630 --> 01:17:51,990
decisions on a daily basis about
where to put his where to put

1179
01:17:51,990 --> 01:17:56,010
his effort. And when you make
those decisions, you have to do

1180
01:17:56,010 --> 01:17:59,460
it in a way that you are
confident in the thing you're

1181
01:17:59,460 --> 01:18:04,140
doing. Like you have, you can't
just that we run with scissors

1182
01:18:04,140 --> 01:18:07,530
here, you know, and we're
winging stuff all the time. But

1183
01:18:07,530 --> 01:18:07,980
value

1184
01:18:08,100 --> 01:18:11,970
Adam Curry: value blocking an
RSS feed is, is defined, it's

1185
01:18:11,970 --> 01:18:14,100
not it's not risk a

1186
01:18:14,670 --> 01:18:17,400
Dave Jones: but wavelength
doesn't the wavelength doesn't

1187
01:18:17,400 --> 01:18:22,950
Host Open wallets, you have to
have an account. So that's what

1188
01:18:22,950 --> 01:18:27,060
I'm saying. When you have an
account as a creator, you that's

1189
01:18:27,060 --> 01:18:31,020
where they're starting. The next
the next step, once they've

1190
01:18:31,050 --> 01:18:34,380
gotten to that, um, when we talk
to them this week, we're gonna

1191
01:18:34,380 --> 01:18:37,500
have a call with them. I
guarantee you, they're gonna say

1192
01:18:37,500 --> 01:18:41,160
yes, that's on the roadmap,
because that's the way this

1193
01:18:41,160 --> 01:18:44,280
works. You you do the thing that
you do the thing you're

1194
01:18:44,280 --> 01:18:49,500
confident in first, then you add
the extra thing on to that,

1195
01:18:49,710 --> 01:18:58,230
like, so. That that was sort of
one line of thinking. And then,

1196
01:18:58,710 --> 01:18:59,130
okay,

1197
01:18:59,460 --> 01:19:02,820
Adam Curry: I'm with, I'm with
you on this. Okay, it does not

1198
01:19:02,820 --> 01:19:07,110
feel that way. If you're, you're
approaching this from a one

1199
01:19:07,110 --> 01:19:12,570
developer standpoint, which
either you know, that's true, or

1200
01:19:12,570 --> 01:19:16,590
you just feel it that way.
Doesn't really matter. If a

1201
01:19:16,590 --> 01:19:20,880
hosting company had done this,
we would have been like, what

1202
01:19:20,880 --> 01:19:21,420
are you doing?

1203
01:19:23,430 --> 01:19:24,990
Dave Jones: I just want to make
sure there's not a double

1204
01:19:24,990 --> 01:19:29,760
standard because like if, if ban
it, let's say Bandcamp tomorrow,

1205
01:19:30,180 --> 01:19:34,110
said that they're gonna start
doing RSS feeds for all their

1206
01:19:34,140 --> 01:19:36,750
for all their music, then that's
all they said. They weren't

1207
01:19:36,750 --> 01:19:39,540
gonna they're not going to do
they're not doing value. Don't

1208
01:19:39,540 --> 01:19:42,450
do anything like, Oh, they're
gonna use RSS feeds. We would be

1209
01:19:42,450 --> 01:19:48,480
like, yes. Rock on. But they
didn't go all the way with it.

1210
01:19:48,480 --> 01:19:51,810
They only went part they only
went step one, but we would be

1211
01:19:51,810 --> 01:19:53,790
excited. And I'm saying that.

1212
01:19:54,749 --> 01:19:59,249
Adam Curry: You're okay. The
double standard is calling it

1213
01:19:59,249 --> 01:20:02,969
splits. saying we're gonna do
splits, yep, splits are coming.

1214
01:20:03,449 --> 01:20:09,089
If that's not true, these are
not splits in our vocabulary

1215
01:20:09,659 --> 01:20:13,649
that we're saying we're going to
do. You don't have to tell me

1216
01:20:13,649 --> 01:20:16,799
your strategy or your or your
roadmap, although everyone else

1217
01:20:16,799 --> 01:20:21,569
does. It just didn't, you know,
just it's not a double standard

1218
01:20:21,569 --> 01:20:25,319
if you want to play with us play
with us. And if you say, Hey,

1219
01:20:25,319 --> 01:20:29,339
we're going to do artists splits
first and then, but the X, the

1220
01:20:29,339 --> 01:20:34,319
expectation was, we're going to
do splits. And that is what we

1221
01:20:34,319 --> 01:20:37,199
have here is a failure to
communicate.

1222
01:20:38,640 --> 01:20:41,490
Dave Jones: I think my I think
Michael and Sam have been, they

1223
01:20:41,490 --> 01:20:45,990
have clearly told us who they
are from day one. They are

1224
01:20:45,990 --> 01:20:49,560
people that care, first and
foremost, about the

1225
01:20:49,560 --> 01:20:55,050
presentation, and the quality of
the product experience. They

1226
01:20:55,050 --> 01:20:59,970
clear I mean, to such a degree
that they did not even some auto

1227
01:20:59,970 --> 01:21:03,480
submit feeds to the index,
because they were afraid it

1228
01:21:03,480 --> 01:21:07,140
would be messy. So this is
great. This is app they are they

1229
01:21:07,140 --> 01:21:10,650
are the I don't I mean, this is
a I don't mean this is not

1230
01:21:10,650 --> 01:21:16,770
derogatory. They are the apple
of podcasting. 2.0 is they're

1231
01:21:16,770 --> 01:21:20,790
going to take a long time to do
something so that they can get

1232
01:21:20,790 --> 01:21:23,160
it exactly the way that they
want it.

1233
01:21:24,060 --> 01:21:26,760
Adam Curry: Yeah. But if you're
the apple, you don't also

1234
01:21:26,760 --> 01:21:29,430
develop for Android, you know,
this, I can we can take the

1235
01:21:29,430 --> 01:21:31,290
analogy, because they're doing
that they're developing for

1236
01:21:31,290 --> 01:21:36,780
Android, which is noster. From
my perspective, and again, I

1237
01:21:36,780 --> 01:21:42,360
want them to succeed. Wavelength
took off when we started sending

1238
01:21:43,320 --> 01:21:47,280
when we start including songs
and podcast. Anyone who tells me

1239
01:21:47,280 --> 01:21:51,690
differently is full of crap. But
I agree with Nick and to be very

1240
01:21:51,690 --> 01:21:55,980
specific, Dred Scott. All right.
That's why it's that's why

1241
01:21:55,980 --> 01:21:59,910
Ainsley Costello took off is
because Dred Scott was boosting

1242
01:21:59,940 --> 01:22:04,950
a million SATs during
podcasting. 2.0 then booster

1243
01:22:04,950 --> 01:22:10,890
Graham ball, now things are
popping. And, and that's what

1244
01:22:10,890 --> 01:22:16,500
got the action going. So
everyone was excited. And this

1245
01:22:16,500 --> 01:22:20,850
doesn't feel like it doesn't
feel like they're, they're

1246
01:22:20,910 --> 01:22:25,440
sharing the excitement. It feels
like, Hey, we're great. And this

1247
01:22:25,440 --> 01:22:29,790
is all us. And we're going to
have an app and no other only

1248
01:22:29,820 --> 01:22:33,390
our artists are in this app.
It's the opposite of the open

1249
01:22:33,390 --> 01:22:39,420
nature of our group. So it
doesn't feel genuine. When

1250
01:22:39,420 --> 01:22:42,000
you're expecting something
called splits. And it doesn't

1251
01:22:42,000 --> 01:22:47,430
show up, it splits EB EB. So now
we're in an in a, in a situation

1252
01:22:47,430 --> 01:22:51,990
where we have musicians and
artists are very excited. And

1253
01:22:51,990 --> 01:22:56,250
they're and if, for me,
personally, when I say this is

1254
01:22:56,250 --> 01:23:02,700
going to remove all of these
antiquated music industry

1255
01:23:02,880 --> 01:23:06,480
institutions, because we have
this contract, which is

1256
01:23:06,480 --> 01:23:11,130
transparent, and you can see it,
this is not that I was expecting

1257
01:23:11,130 --> 01:23:15,150
that. Because we have that
we're, we're going on that

1258
01:23:15,150 --> 01:23:19,980
presumption. So when when that
shows up, and it's an it's an it

1259
01:23:19,980 --> 01:23:24,330
feels like old the old world,
like Well, no, we're not really

1260
01:23:24,330 --> 01:23:29,460
going to do that. Yes, you're
right, it feels like something

1261
01:23:29,460 --> 01:23:30,930
Apple would do precisely.

1262
01:23:32,820 --> 01:23:35,430
Dave Jones: That, you know, I'm
not gonna say I have no

1263
01:23:35,430 --> 01:23:38,490
irritation about it, because you
know, like that the very top of

1264
01:23:38,490 --> 01:23:41,760
their announcement is talking
about zaps and noster. When when

1265
01:23:41,760 --> 01:23:46,800
we know that, that it's
podcasting in it that is driving

1266
01:23:46,830 --> 01:23:52,290
revenue across the board on
music, right now that do things

1267
01:23:52,290 --> 01:23:55,080
like that do irritate me, but
I'm putting, I'm trying to set

1268
01:23:55,080 --> 01:24:03,000
that aside because it like an
understand. So here's what I'm

1269
01:24:03,000 --> 01:24:06,030
reading directly from their
article. It says in order to

1270
01:24:06,030 --> 01:24:10,230
ensure payments are made
consistently. splits are

1271
01:24:10,230 --> 01:24:12,540
currently limited to four
participants, all of which must

1272
01:24:12,540 --> 01:24:16,770
be a registered wavelike user.
However, we have plans to expand

1273
01:24:16,770 --> 01:24:20,040
these options in the future in
future updates to accommodate a

1274
01:24:20,040 --> 01:24:24,390
broader range of participants.
This, I think they just exactly

1275
01:24:24,390 --> 01:24:29,130
said what I'm what I'm saying.
They are they did this. Here's

1276
01:24:29,160 --> 01:24:31,950
let me bring in the other part
of this because I think this is

1277
01:24:31,950 --> 01:24:36,360
important. We, we've been
bothered for a while because the

1278
01:24:36,360 --> 01:24:43,620
ecosystem is essentially Alby
and fountain LLN pay has largely

1279
01:24:43,740 --> 01:24:51,030
gone away from the ecosystem,
although we still run a node. So

1280
01:24:51,180 --> 01:24:55,620
we have, we have two
participants. You could say most

1281
01:24:55,650 --> 01:24:59,340
of us, so you know, we only have
two legs here. We really need a

1282
01:24:59,340 --> 01:25:04,140
third leg. to prop these things
up, lb is doing most of the

1283
01:25:04,140 --> 01:25:10,170
heavy lifting. But But fountain
is also large to having a third

1284
01:25:10,530 --> 01:25:17,640
wallet provider is, to me is a
big deal. And I, they are the

1285
01:25:17,640 --> 01:25:22,590
third wallet provider. They that
to me cannot be overlooked that

1286
01:25:22,590 --> 01:25:27,030
they are doing a huge service by
just hosting wallets, which is

1287
01:25:27,030 --> 01:25:30,180
something that's critically
important and not a trivial and

1288
01:25:30,180 --> 01:25:31,500
not a trivial thing to do.

1289
01:25:32,190 --> 01:25:33,810
Adam Curry: Maybe I'm
misunderstanding I thought

1290
01:25:33,810 --> 01:25:35,700
Zebedee was their wallet
provider.

1291
01:25:36,390 --> 01:25:38,820
Dave Jones: It I don't know who
their wallet provider is on the

1292
01:25:38,820 --> 01:25:43,740
back end, but I believe is okay,
it might be that. But what I'm

1293
01:25:43,740 --> 01:25:47,280
saying is like they just they're
here's another here's another

1294
01:25:47,280 --> 01:25:50,370
destination I nobody's ever been
clear to me who's their

1295
01:25:50,370 --> 01:25:51,750
providers of what?

1296
01:25:52,290 --> 01:25:54,600
Adam Curry: Well, if you look at
Zebedee is marketing materials,

1297
01:25:54,600 --> 01:25:58,200
Zebedee, basically invented
fountain and wavelike.

1298
01:25:58,950 --> 01:26:02,310
Dave Jones: Now, which is not
true, but okay, I'm just saying,

1299
01:26:02,340 --> 01:26:07,890
yeah, yeah, right. Right. So
that's what I'm trying to say

1300
01:26:07,890 --> 01:26:13,920
here is there's they have, to me
that says, I'll just read that

1301
01:26:13,920 --> 01:26:16,110
paragraph, I just read from
their from their thing says,

1302
01:26:16,800 --> 01:26:20,820
this is a this, it says,
literally, to ensure payments

1303
01:26:20,820 --> 01:26:24,570
are made consistently, that that
is language that I read. And

1304
01:26:24,570 --> 01:26:31,440
that tells me I, as the
developer, am worried about

1305
01:26:31,740 --> 01:26:37,380
failed payments, and things,
which we then have to explain to

1306
01:26:37,410 --> 01:26:42,270
our artists and try to make
sense out of this stuff. And I

1307
01:26:42,270 --> 01:26:45,660
can't deal with that right now.
I just want to get the feature

1308
01:26:45,660 --> 01:26:50,520
built first, with the UI, and
with all this stuff, and I do

1309
01:26:50,520 --> 01:26:54,300
not have the bandwidth mentally
to handle payment failures and

1310
01:26:54,300 --> 01:26:58,020
all those kinds of things now, I
will do that later. Okay.

1311
01:26:58,590 --> 01:27:00,180
Adam Curry: I hear you. I hear
Yeah.

1312
01:27:01,770 --> 01:27:04,110
Dave Jones: That's that's the
way it feels to me open splits

1313
01:27:04,110 --> 01:27:10,590
are. They're critical. They're
absolutely critical. In but but

1314
01:27:10,620 --> 01:27:17,760
every step in the process, like
like, like blueberry, blueberry,

1315
01:27:17,820 --> 01:27:22,200
and rss.com, they both have the
ability to put your wallets in

1316
01:27:22,200 --> 01:27:26,250
there. Well, they don't. They
may in the future, you know,

1317
01:27:26,280 --> 01:27:27,510
okay. Well,

1318
01:27:27,720 --> 01:27:30,300
Adam Curry: I'm just looking at,
you know, Zebedee fountain

1319
01:27:30,300 --> 01:27:34,410
podcasts, almost doubled their
user base after Zebedee launch.

1320
01:27:34,530 --> 01:27:37,530
Really, I'm so glad that was
because of the wallet. It's

1321
01:27:37,530 --> 01:27:45,420
great. Yeah, this fee feels
icky. That's all just feels

1322
01:27:45,420 --> 01:27:50,850
icky. You know, Zebedee should
be playing in the space with us.

1323
01:27:51,930 --> 01:27:56,310
Like Albie is my personal
opinion. But they're not because

1324
01:27:56,310 --> 01:27:59,550
they have a different model.
Their model is you pay us to use

1325
01:27:59,550 --> 01:28:03,180
us and no one has the money for
that. And Ron,

1326
01:28:03,690 --> 01:28:06,840
Dave Jones: is also VC involved
in all this. And I mean,

1327
01:28:06,869 --> 01:28:11,039
Adam Curry: this is my fear.
This is my ultimate fear. Right?

1328
01:28:11,519 --> 01:28:16,139
Because that that makes people
make certain choices that

1329
01:28:16,529 --> 01:28:21,059
sometimes aren't necessarily
good. But I'll go with you on on

1330
01:28:21,059 --> 01:28:26,279
this. But other people are
further ahead. And and I have a

1331
01:28:26,279 --> 01:28:31,199
vision in my head for what value
for value, by the way is there

1332
01:28:31,199 --> 01:28:34,259
but he has value for value all
over their website. never talked

1333
01:28:34,259 --> 01:28:37,589
to these guys ever. But I like
to say there's tell him that

1334
01:28:37,589 --> 01:28:44,489
telling me what value for value
is. My vision, my personal

1335
01:28:44,489 --> 01:28:47,279
vision, not not Adam and Dave's
are podcasts and 2.0. My

1336
01:28:47,279 --> 01:28:52,169
personal vision is music in
podcast and the wallet switching

1337
01:28:52,169 --> 01:28:56,759
technology which all of a sudden
people made happen. And I could

1338
01:28:56,759 --> 01:29:00,869
not be happier. Now as a part of
that vision is this open

1339
01:29:00,869 --> 01:29:06,539
contract. So I will be advising
people to go the open contract

1340
01:29:06,539 --> 01:29:11,429
route. Because and when
WaveLight comes on board, then

1341
01:29:11,609 --> 01:29:15,929
then I'll include them again.
But right now that hey, if you

1342
01:29:15,929 --> 01:29:18,599
will just want to get it up down
and dirty. And you want to want

1343
01:29:18,599 --> 01:29:21,869
to see how it works. This is a
great place to go. That is it's

1344
01:29:21,869 --> 01:29:25,199
always if you want freedom, it's
always one extra step. That

1345
01:29:25,199 --> 01:29:29,129
means you're going to have to
figure out RSS blue.com or music

1346
01:29:29,129 --> 01:29:32,429
side project.com You know,
there's all kinds of all kinds

1347
01:29:32,429 --> 01:29:37,349
of places you can stumble and
fall. So making it easy is one

1348
01:29:37,349 --> 01:29:42,809
thing, but for me for what we're
doing, it didn't actually feel

1349
01:29:42,809 --> 01:29:49,739
great. It felt like oh, okay,
that's kind of, you know, kind

1350
01:29:49,739 --> 01:29:52,229
of the world that I'm trying to
move away from.

1351
01:29:53,340 --> 01:29:56,160
Dave Jones: I was disappointed
to I don't I don't want to act

1352
01:29:56,160 --> 01:30:00,090
like I wasn't. I mean, I was
disappointed. For sure to see Do

1353
01:30:00,090 --> 01:30:05,490
that need to see that I could
not upload my music and then put

1354
01:30:06,090 --> 01:30:09,090
in then put a separate wall you
know, and then put somebody

1355
01:30:09,090 --> 01:30:13,020
who's not a wavelike user in the
split. I mean, this is like, I

1356
01:30:13,020 --> 01:30:15,990
mean, here's the critical here's
the critical from Dave part.

1357
01:30:16,410 --> 01:30:21,210
This is lightning this is
supposed to be open lightning

1358
01:30:21,210 --> 01:30:25,620
wallets are supposed to be
reachable from anywhere but that

1359
01:30:25,620 --> 01:30:29,340
the whole spirit of lightning is
paying invoices, you know,

1360
01:30:29,340 --> 01:30:33,900
receiving sets through keys and
it's it's open mon is open

1361
01:30:33,900 --> 01:30:37,530
borders money and these are
borders and so that doesn't feel

1362
01:30:37,530 --> 01:30:44,130
good to me. But you know if that
is that's how i That's how I

1363
01:30:44,130 --> 01:30:48,480
felt in my heart. But then my
head was like, when I read that

1364
01:30:48,480 --> 01:30:52,950
thing that said we have plans to
expand these options the future

1365
01:30:52,950 --> 01:30:57,390
in that can I just feel like I
understand why it wasn't that

1366
01:30:57,390 --> 01:31:02,970
way right now and and I'm trying
to if if two years from now it's

1367
01:31:02,970 --> 01:31:06,510
still this way well then you
know, I was wrong in that and

1368
01:31:06,510 --> 01:31:10,500
this wasn't cool. But you know
if if six months from now they

1369
01:31:10,530 --> 01:31:14,730
they they expand this then I
think it was okay to wait for

1370
01:31:14,730 --> 01:31:15,180
that.

1371
01:31:16,710 --> 01:31:19,470
Adam Curry: Zebedee is noted
that it's apps new featured here

1372
01:31:19,470 --> 01:31:23,640
I'll just type this is where it
comes from. Zebedee announces

1373
01:31:23,640 --> 01:31:27,390
alpha for new social layer
powered by noster. Okay, so so

1374
01:31:27,420 --> 01:31:31,650
this is their wallet provider is
focused on noster

1375
01:31:32,460 --> 01:31:35,370
Dave Jones: it because it's
Bitcoin because it's the Bitcoin

1376
01:31:35,610 --> 01:31:36,630
Maxy bursts. Yeah. But

1377
01:31:36,630 --> 01:31:38,970
Adam Curry: he noted that it's
apps new features have attracted

1378
01:31:38,970 --> 01:31:42,210
partnerships with prominent
industry players, such as from

1379
01:31:42,240 --> 01:31:46,890
games, wave Lake, fountain and
gesso. So, so they're not,

1380
01:31:47,220 --> 01:31:52,230
they're not a wallet provider.
They wavelike is using a wallet

1381
01:31:52,230 --> 01:31:56,190
provider. I would love to have
Zebedee in the 2.0 crowd.

1382
01:31:56,220 --> 01:31:58,050
There'll be fantastic. Can you
imagine?

1383
01:31:58,740 --> 01:32:01,110
Dave Jones: Yeah, sure, but they
won't because they're, they're

1384
01:32:01,110 --> 01:32:03,450
infatuated with Bitcoin bro
culture?

1385
01:32:03,630 --> 01:32:05,190
Adam Curry: Yes. Yes.

1386
01:32:05,220 --> 01:32:08,580
Dave Jones: And that doesn't do
anybody any. It doesn't do

1387
01:32:08,580 --> 01:32:09,900
anybody any service.

1388
01:32:10,530 --> 01:32:12,990
Adam Curry: I need to get you
out of here. Because it's 10

1389
01:32:12,990 --> 01:32:15,870
past two. And I want to I want
to be respectful of your time.

1390
01:32:15,900 --> 01:32:18,510
This is what you say in the
meeting. Everybody, I want to be

1391
01:32:18,510 --> 01:32:23,610
respectful of Dave's time. So if
you want to, I mean, we can do

1392
01:32:23,700 --> 01:32:25,890
we can do booster grams and
thank yous, we can do that on

1393
01:32:25,890 --> 01:32:27,600
next show if that's easier,
because now I

1394
01:32:27,810 --> 01:32:31,710
Dave Jones: know, it's not a
heart out. It's a firm. So I'm a

1395
01:32:31,710 --> 01:32:32,460
little squishy.

1396
01:32:33,780 --> 01:32:36,270
Adam Curry: Alright, so the good
news is we'll be talking with

1397
01:32:36,390 --> 01:32:41,580
with Sam, and who else will be
on the call? Michael Michael.

1398
01:32:41,610 --> 01:32:44,280
Right. Yeah, we'll be talking to
them this this coming week. So

1399
01:32:44,280 --> 01:32:46,980
I'm very excited to have
something to report. And we'll

1400
01:32:46,980 --> 01:32:49,980
and we'll get some true
information. If anything, this

1401
01:32:49,980 --> 01:32:54,300
is just this is the worst part
of any organization is

1402
01:32:54,300 --> 01:32:58,950
communication. Yeah, that that
is the I've been and I've failed

1403
01:32:58,950 --> 01:33:02,370
at that. So many times in my own
companies, you don't communicate

1404
01:33:02,370 --> 01:33:05,730
and people don't understand. So
if, if this was an incremental

1405
01:33:05,730 --> 01:33:09,120
move, then it just was
interpreted differently. And it

1406
01:33:09,120 --> 01:33:13,110
was communication was not good.
Because when you say we're doing

1407
01:33:13,110 --> 01:33:18,270
splits, and it's and something
else shows up, the then that's

1408
01:33:18,270 --> 01:33:20,820
just how it works. That's how
communications work. Like I love

1409
01:33:20,820 --> 01:33:23,100
you well didn't really mean
like, I love you, because like,

1410
01:33:23,100 --> 01:33:25,200
I want to have sex with you. Not
the same thing.

1411
01:33:28,200 --> 01:33:31,170
Dave Jones: I just meant, I just
meant I could go for some ice

1412
01:33:31,170 --> 01:33:31,470
cream.

1413
01:33:32,070 --> 01:33:37,290
Adam Curry: That's exactly it.
So value for value podcast, true

1414
01:33:37,290 --> 01:33:40,830
value for value, which this you
know, we don't have VCs here,

1415
01:33:40,830 --> 01:33:45,090
what we have is people who
support the project who support

1416
01:33:45,270 --> 01:33:49,260
what we're doing, who support
the node. We open up channels

1417
01:33:49,260 --> 01:33:52,110
and liquidity to anybody who
needs it. Don't be bashful. Just

1418
01:33:52,110 --> 01:33:56,010
hit me up a note on the podcast
index dot social or, or email me

1419
01:33:56,010 --> 01:33:58,710
or whatever. We're happy to open
channels to you. We got a lot of

1420
01:33:58,710 --> 01:34:01,890
them. This is where all the
Satoshis go to. But we have

1421
01:34:01,890 --> 01:34:06,300
servers we have, we have
infrastructure. And all we ask

1422
01:34:06,300 --> 01:34:09,630
for is that if if this is of any
value to you one way or the

1423
01:34:09,630 --> 01:34:11,580
other that you send that back, I
heard something really

1424
01:34:11,580 --> 01:34:16,620
beautiful. At the wasn't my
voice. Yeah, that was very

1425
01:34:16,620 --> 01:34:19,740
beautiful. When I hear this, I
did I did a speech at the Rotary

1426
01:34:19,740 --> 01:34:24,000
Club. What Yes, yeah. And was
one of the hey, I want to be

1427
01:34:24,000 --> 01:34:28,830
mayor here one day, you know, so
everywhere in the round, that

1428
01:34:28,830 --> 01:34:31,650
asked me many months ago, so the
Rotary Club, which is if you

1429
01:34:31,650 --> 01:34:33,930
don't know, I mean, it's usually
old people, but there's some

1430
01:34:33,930 --> 01:34:38,250
younger people, but they do a
lot with basically value for

1431
01:34:38,250 --> 01:34:42,900
value. People supporting
organizations. Blow local, all

1432
01:34:42,900 --> 01:34:46,290
locally based. And this one lady
who's in charge of volunteer,

1433
01:34:46,290 --> 01:34:50,970
she said something which to me
was like, perfect value for

1434
01:34:50,970 --> 01:34:56,010
value. She said, You know, she
was asking people to like bake

1435
01:34:56,010 --> 01:34:59,970
pies or whatever she says, May
you just may you never be some

1436
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:04,350
become so poor, that you can't
share your riches. Because

1437
01:35:04,350 --> 01:35:09,480
that's truly time, talent and
treasure. You know, so May you

1438
01:35:09,480 --> 01:35:12,930
never become so poor of spirit
and of heart that you can't

1439
01:35:12,930 --> 01:35:16,950
share your riches in what you do
to support this and it just and

1440
01:35:16,950 --> 01:35:20,070
it felt so good for me. I'm
turning you into a bumper

1441
01:35:20,070 --> 01:35:20,460
sticker.

1442
01:35:22,380 --> 01:35:23,700
Dave Jones: That's your
campaign.

1443
01:35:26,160 --> 01:35:28,800
Adam Curry: That's me, baby. All
right, so we want to thank some

1444
01:35:28,800 --> 01:35:31,530
people. Who do we have? Oh,
anyone? Let me let me thank some

1445
01:35:31,530 --> 01:35:34,770
people who've been boosting.
During the show. We got quite a

1446
01:35:34,770 --> 01:35:40,170
few here on the homeless second.
Mike Newman 7777 enjoyed your

1447
01:35:40,170 --> 01:35:43,020
keynote Adam similar to Dave's
impression I heard humility

1448
01:35:43,020 --> 01:35:45,240
gratitude and a sense of we're
just getting started here.

1449
01:35:45,300 --> 01:35:48,870
Scaling is always the next stage
love and go podcasting. Sir

1450
01:35:48,870 --> 01:35:53,220
Brian of London 1948 hive
wallets behind V four v dot apre

1451
01:35:53,220 --> 01:35:56,850
also hosted but uniquely the
keys are not held by me. I also

1452
01:35:56,850 --> 01:36:00,840
I will also offer a set native
wallet option the future no VC

1453
01:36:00,840 --> 01:36:07,500
money. It's this is no VC money.
Yes, Dred Scott 123456 Dred

1454
01:36:07,500 --> 01:36:09,120
Scott You are killing me brother

1455
01:36:09,150 --> 01:36:14,160
Unknown: Bala. Sakala 20 is
blades on am Paula.

1456
01:36:14,430 --> 01:36:17,670
Adam Curry: Hi guys. Appreciate
all you do. Sorry. If my big

1457
01:36:17,670 --> 01:36:20,700
booths of angels music cause any
of these issues? Yes, it is your

1458
01:36:20,700 --> 01:36:27,510
fault. Dread curse yo, it's all
your fault. That's funny. There

1459
01:36:27,510 --> 01:36:32,790
Sam Sethi one set. Pod fans
payment says it right there. It

1460
01:36:32,790 --> 01:36:39,900
came through 30 minutes ago.
It's a SAM Sethi baller boost.

1461
01:36:42,210 --> 01:36:42,990
Dave Jones: Micro says

1462
01:36:43,020 --> 01:36:45,270
Adam Curry: it's coming through
it's coming through Sam, we've

1463
01:36:45,270 --> 01:36:52,050
received your signal. Then we
have Hey, citizens 6960 And I

1464
01:36:52,050 --> 01:36:54,540
boosted a little prayer but
forgot to change my name back

1465
01:36:54,540 --> 01:37:00,540
from earlier I was masquerading
as comics trip lager which is

1466
01:37:00,570 --> 01:37:03,090
here it is This is so I thought
this is Chrome. I'm glad you

1467
01:37:03,090 --> 01:37:05,790
told me hey citizen because I
thought this was from comic

1468
01:37:05,790 --> 01:37:12,270
strip blogger. Oh, interesting.
I just see you if you mouse over

1469
01:37:12,270 --> 01:37:18,060
the Satoshi amount. It shows you
what your Oh my goodness. This

1470
01:37:18,060 --> 01:37:20,850
is so good. Eric TP I'm sorry.
I'm just obsessed with this

1471
01:37:20,850 --> 01:37:23,760
beautiful interface. He says
here's a prayer. Dear God, thank

1472
01:37:23,760 --> 01:37:26,790
you for the index. Bless all the
podcasters and musicians and

1473
01:37:26,790 --> 01:37:30,120
continue to deliver us from
evil. We are grateful for your

1474
01:37:30,120 --> 01:37:32,880
app developers who give us this
day our daily source code.

1475
01:37:33,150 --> 01:37:36,450
Please continue to guide them so
they may lead us to your

1476
01:37:36,450 --> 01:37:39,870
eternally heavenly feed at the
supper of the of the mighty one.

1477
01:37:39,870 --> 01:37:45,840
Amen. Amen. Sir Brian against
buying blood and 31,948 a super

1478
01:37:45,840 --> 01:37:49,260
Israeli freedom boost must admit
we had a bit of blow in court

1479
01:37:49,260 --> 01:37:51,540
last week. A bit of a blow in
court last week during the

1480
01:37:51,540 --> 01:37:56,850
board. He says he says a bit of
blow he forgot the a must.

1481
01:37:57,120 --> 01:37:59,790
That's why that didn't go well.
Yeah, you were doing blow in

1482
01:37:59,790 --> 01:38:03,780
court. We will continue to fight
with a new case. Good man. Don't

1483
01:38:03,780 --> 01:38:06,510
give up. Don't give up if you're
right. Todd Cochran, to

1484
01:38:06,510 --> 01:38:09,180
Dave Jones: you Brian. We need
you. endowment really.

1485
01:38:09,960 --> 01:38:12,720
Adam Curry: 10,000 SATs from
Todd Cochran. Oh my listeners

1486
01:38:12,720 --> 01:38:15,480
want fountain to start
supporting live videos seeing

1487
01:38:15,480 --> 01:38:19,530
you're doing tech support for
fountain. Hey, Oscar. There you

1488
01:38:19,530 --> 01:38:25,440
go. And 100,000 SATs from Todd
Cochran. Asking you shall

1489
01:38:25,440 --> 01:38:28,710
receive we are working on adding
more 2.0 features go podcasting?

1490
01:38:28,710 --> 01:38:30,240
FYI, I'm not grumpy yet.

1491
01:38:31,380 --> 01:38:32,640
Dave Jones: That means it's not
ready to ship.

1492
01:38:33,750 --> 01:38:35,520
Adam Curry: Yeah, we know
blueberry is doing a great job.

1493
01:38:35,550 --> 01:38:40,020
Fantastic job. And, and yeah,
that's what I have. That's what

1494
01:38:40,020 --> 01:38:40,380
I have.

1495
01:38:40,740 --> 01:38:44,280
Dave Jones: Well, I've got a Pay
Pal from Oscar Oscar Mary, also

1496
01:38:44,280 --> 01:38:46,080
known as Mary Oscar $200.

1497
01:38:46,110 --> 01:38:52,020
Adam Curry: Oh, thank you. Thank
you, Oscar. Appreciate that.

1498
01:38:52,020 --> 01:38:52,410
Brother.

1499
01:38:52,950 --> 01:38:55,740
Dave Jones: Thank you for
keeping the focus on RSS. Oscar.

1500
01:38:55,740 --> 01:38:56,070
Yes.

1501
01:38:56,070 --> 01:38:58,440
Adam Curry: Thank you very much.
We know we know how hard it is.

1502
01:38:58,470 --> 01:38:59,610
We know how hard it is.

1503
01:38:59,670 --> 01:39:04,050
Dave Jones: It's a hard world to
navigate. Thomas goose DOT says

1504
01:39:04,410 --> 01:39:08,790
it gave us $25. And he sizes
daily. What daily wire is an

1505
01:39:08,790 --> 01:39:12,060
example of a company that has
profitably monetized the

1506
01:39:12,060 --> 01:39:16,200
network. But they don't do it
with ads. Yes, they run ads, but

1507
01:39:16,200 --> 01:39:19,260
they have their own form of V
for V called Daily wire plus,

1508
01:39:19,380 --> 01:39:25,590
most of their value comes
directly from listeners. I don't

1509
01:39:25,590 --> 01:39:28,380
know anything about daily wire
plus. Yeah, daily? Well,

1510
01:39:29,070 --> 01:39:31,830
Adam Curry: I don't when I say
you can't monetize the network.

1511
01:39:31,830 --> 01:39:38,250
I'm specifically talking about
advertising, really. And they're

1512
01:39:38,250 --> 01:39:42,150
closed network. I do not believe
all of their podcasts are open.

1513
01:39:42,720 --> 01:39:46,800
So it's a club. It's like the
blaze. I mean, that's to me.

1514
01:39:46,800 --> 01:39:50,610
That's not monetizing the
network as in the open network.

1515
01:39:51,660 --> 01:39:53,850
Dave Jones: The reason you can't
monetize the network and an

1516
01:39:53,850 --> 01:39:57,390
AdSense is because there's no
there's no artificial scarcity

1517
01:39:57,390 --> 01:39:58,080
of space.

1518
01:39:58,200 --> 01:40:01,680
Adam Curry: Correct? Correct me
And I know they they put stuff

1519
01:40:01,680 --> 01:40:05,520
out there with ads. But yeah,
they do. Huge if they had, if

1520
01:40:05,520 --> 01:40:08,040
you have a million people
sending you 10 bucks a month,

1521
01:40:08,310 --> 01:40:10,800
you're doing great, but that's
not monetizing the network.

1522
01:40:11,130 --> 01:40:12,900
Dave Jones: You're doing great.
You also have to register in

1523
01:40:12,900 --> 01:40:14,100
Canada. But

1524
01:40:16,379 --> 01:40:18,809
Adam Curry: don't worry, don't
worry, everyone comes value for

1525
01:40:18,809 --> 01:40:21,149
value eventually, it'll all
happen.

1526
01:40:21,929 --> 01:40:24,239
Dave Jones: Mere Mortals podcast
chyron. Over there. As soon as

1527
01:40:24,239 --> 01:40:28,469
20 to 22 Row ducks at the
fountain he says, in the Ellen

1528
01:40:28,469 --> 01:40:31,919
beats app, I clicked the option
to boost a certain amount after

1529
01:40:31,919 --> 01:40:35,189
the end of every song. This
counts toward the top 100 plus

1530
01:40:35,189 --> 01:40:39,779
change. Right? Yes. So when I
listened to his top 100 tab on

1531
01:40:39,779 --> 01:40:43,289
there, am I just reinforcing the
top 100 order? Not necessarily a

1532
01:40:43,289 --> 01:40:48,269
problem? Just curious. The
order? I guess, because because

1533
01:40:48,269 --> 01:40:51,119
he's pulling his order from us.
And so if you just run through

1534
01:40:51,119 --> 01:40:54,449
the list or you just read,
reinforcing

1535
01:40:55,980 --> 01:40:56,760
Adam Curry: recursion.

1536
01:40:59,520 --> 01:41:01,170
Dave Jones: The answer is this
will all break.

1537
01:41:02,400 --> 01:41:04,080
Adam Curry: That's a good
question. Actually. I'm gonna be

1538
01:41:04,080 --> 01:41:07,920
on the value for value podcast.
Coming up this week, I think,

1539
01:41:08,430 --> 01:41:11,070
Oh, you're great. Yeah, I caught
them live the other day. I

1540
01:41:11,070 --> 01:41:12,510
boosted them live. It was fun.

1541
01:41:12,810 --> 01:41:15,330
Dave Jones: Like what time does
he go live? I have a feeling

1542
01:41:15,330 --> 01:41:16,740
it's like it's a n

1543
01:41:16,770 --> 01:41:21,870
Adam Curry: a. m, it was 10am
Australia time and it was in the

1544
01:41:21,870 --> 01:41:26,670
evening? Yes, the day before
here. So it was 8pm Yesterday,

1545
01:41:26,700 --> 01:41:30,090
when I was doing I was sitting
by the pool in the garden. You

1546
01:41:30,090 --> 01:41:33,750
know, the sun was going down
this trickling of the water and

1547
01:41:33,750 --> 01:41:37,200
I'm listening to him this
morning in Australia, boosting

1548
01:41:37,200 --> 01:41:41,130
him I'm sending notes through
booster grams. It was almost a

1549
01:41:41,130 --> 01:41:44,580
transcendent experience because
it was live and and then he read

1550
01:41:44,580 --> 01:41:47,730
my booster gram and I am 59
years old. I've been in

1551
01:41:47,730 --> 01:41:51,420
broadcasting all my life. And I
still get excited by stuff like

1552
01:41:51,420 --> 01:41:54,180
that. It's like Oh, Mr. Graham.

1553
01:41:57,810 --> 01:42:02,100
Dave Jones: Mere Mortals podcast
again 1548 To do pod fans this

1554
01:42:02,100 --> 01:42:07,080
time. The action here is booster
Graham. So that's that's the

1555
01:42:07,080 --> 01:42:11,370
issue. So that the action verb
here is booster Graham where it

1556
01:42:11,370 --> 01:42:17,070
should be boost. Fixed. That is
from September 30. So that may

1557
01:42:17,070 --> 01:42:20,280
have been fixed. I don't know.
But as of this boost is not

1558
01:42:20,640 --> 01:42:23,550
testing out the new pod fans PWA
on my mobile, what are you

1559
01:42:23,550 --> 01:42:23,880
laughing?

1560
01:42:24,240 --> 01:42:27,930
Adam Curry: I'm just laughing
that we get one set from pod

1561
01:42:27,930 --> 01:42:28,470
fans.

1562
01:42:30,180 --> 01:42:31,470
Unknown: They just love it. It's
funny.

1563
01:42:31,980 --> 01:42:33,420
Adam Curry: I'm not sure why but

1564
01:42:34,379 --> 01:42:36,749
Dave Jones: it's pretty slick
and worked well right out of the

1565
01:42:36,749 --> 01:42:39,479
box would recommend giving it a
try to everyone listening.

1566
01:42:39,629 --> 01:42:44,099
Alright, so it gets some pod
fans love. There's Mary Oscar.

1567
01:42:45,239 --> 01:42:48,389
He says Oh 10,000 10,000 SATs,
the fountain. Of course. He

1568
01:42:48,389 --> 01:42:52,259
says, Adam, Dave, could we get
an API for the top 100? Well,

1569
01:42:52,649 --> 01:42:57,479
there's not an API for it,
Oscar, but it's the URLs right

1570
01:42:57,479 --> 01:43:00,899
there. So there's a little JSON
at the top, there's a little

1571
01:43:00,989 --> 01:43:05,129
icon on the top 100 chart. So
icon for JSON, just follow that

1572
01:43:05,129 --> 01:43:08,489
JSON. Yeah, and it updates every
time the chart does. Yeah, you

1573
01:43:08,489 --> 01:43:09,629
don't need a you don't need an
API.

1574
01:43:09,660 --> 01:43:12,060
Adam Curry: Yeah, it's much
easier than an API or does that

1575
01:43:12,750 --> 01:43:16,140
add complexity? So we have to
now parse and do something with

1576
01:43:16,140 --> 01:43:17,100
it. No, it's

1577
01:43:17,100 --> 01:43:18,660
Dave Jones: It's easier and it
smells better.

1578
01:43:19,230 --> 01:43:21,900
Adam Curry: Smells? smells real.
Strawberries really?

1579
01:43:22,440 --> 01:43:26,700
Dave Jones: Oh yes. Bed Bath and
Beyond. Cast VLAN 3693 found a

1580
01:43:26,700 --> 01:43:29,850
nice a streaming SATs with an
empty wallet does not work. So

1581
01:43:29,850 --> 01:43:33,000
at last moment boost this time.
Oh, thank you, Cass.

1582
01:43:33,030 --> 01:43:35,190
Adam Curry: So you're saying
scrape my JSON is that we're

1583
01:43:35,190 --> 01:43:36,390
basically the message

1584
01:43:37,170 --> 01:43:43,320
Dave Jones: t shirt. Scrape by
Debbie mash. Or Debbie Nash 3333

1585
01:43:43,320 --> 01:43:46,710
through fountain he says raising
a glass to CSB and his trance

1586
01:43:46,710 --> 01:43:51,060
music. He's got the Polish flag
and a beer there. Nice. Good.

1587
01:43:51,270 --> 01:43:56,910
Good emoji work. Jean been 20 to
20 tends to cast Matic. He says

1588
01:43:56,910 --> 01:43:59,460
I feel like if it's a top 100
chart, it shouldn't be 100

1589
01:43:59,460 --> 01:44:01,860
songs. Not more, not less. Well,
we fix

1590
01:44:02,550 --> 01:44:04,530
Adam Curry: that problem is
let's see if it's still a Top

1591
01:44:04,530 --> 01:44:09,060
100 Top 166 Where are we at
right now? Whoa, ladies and

1592
01:44:09,060 --> 01:44:13,140
gentlemen, the chart has
changed. We're now top 151

1593
01:44:14,190 --> 01:44:15,660
Dave Jones: We're going the
wrong direction.

1594
01:44:16,020 --> 01:44:19,620
Adam Curry: That's great. That's
great. I love it podcast. This

1595
01:44:19,620 --> 01:44:21,840
is the best fix of all time
Dave.

1596
01:44:23,310 --> 01:44:24,630
Unknown: Fix of all time.

1597
01:44:26,040 --> 01:44:31,230
Dave Jones: All the C 1701 Star
Trek boosts his top 100 Plus.

1598
01:44:32,010 --> 01:44:35,010
Thank you so stay Yogananda
another 1701 books he says the

1599
01:44:35,010 --> 01:44:40,440
podcast index.org is the
reference implementation. Oh, I

1600
01:44:40,440 --> 01:44:41,220
like that

1601
01:44:41,250 --> 01:44:43,980
Adam Curry: 1701 That's is that
well how does that How is that a

1602
01:44:43,980 --> 01:44:44,820
reference number

1603
01:44:44,970 --> 01:44:47,640
Dave Jones: that says no no, no,
he says the podcast index.org

1604
01:44:47,730 --> 01:44:51,420
Oh, oh further people? Yes.
Yeah, roll their

1605
01:44:51,420 --> 01:44:53,190
Adam Curry: own. Yeah, exactly
what we are

1606
01:44:54,360 --> 01:45:01,080
Dave Jones: 7777 striper boost
from spam proof. He said As he

1607
01:45:01,080 --> 01:45:04,980
or she says Hillsong owns most
Christian evangelical music

1608
01:45:04,980 --> 01:45:08,550
being played in mega churches
today. Elevation worship is big

1609
01:45:08,550 --> 01:45:13,290
too. But historic liturgical
hymns is not owned in that way

1610
01:45:13,320 --> 01:45:17,880
issues, etc. is a podcast that
frequently does music using

1611
01:45:17,880 --> 01:45:21,150
hymnal songs and weekly chapel
service recordings without any

1612
01:45:21,150 --> 01:45:27,600
copyright worries. I assume they
should they should set up set

1613
01:45:27,600 --> 01:45:28,230
themselves you

1614
01:45:28,230 --> 01:45:31,890
Adam Curry: know, shred word,
you know shred word. Yeah. So

1615
01:45:31,890 --> 01:45:36,360
shred word. He just sent me a
track. It's on LM beats. Psalm

1616
01:45:36,360 --> 01:45:40,620
54. He and his wife then now
they're doing songs, and then

1617
01:45:40,710 --> 01:45:43,740
they're making up the music. And
then they're singing the song

1618
01:45:43,770 --> 01:45:46,710
for literally from Psalm 54 If
you said that was from

1619
01:45:46,710 --> 01:45:51,330
elevation, you know, worship I
would have believed it. It's so

1620
01:45:51,330 --> 01:45:53,940
good. It's like mind

1621
01:45:54,030 --> 01:45:56,760
Dave Jones: blowing that's
that's an index.

1622
01:45:56,970 --> 01:46:00,450
Adam Curry: Yes in the AI but he
is his value blah his splits are

1623
01:46:00,450 --> 01:46:04,470
wrong. He needs to put a split
in for God I think it's for the

1624
01:46:04,470 --> 01:46:06,750
word. King David King David
split.

1625
01:46:07,379 --> 01:46:08,879
Dave Jones: Yeah, for publishing
rights.

1626
01:46:09,360 --> 01:46:11,640
Adam Curry: Can I just I'm sorry
to interrupt with just one thing

1627
01:46:11,640 --> 01:46:16,110
about the heli so I thought
people were putting these in

1628
01:46:16,110 --> 01:46:20,040
themselves when they send like
in like a row of docs like Oh,

1629
01:46:20,040 --> 01:46:25,230
that's cute. They put in a
couple of ducks. No, no no. heli

1630
01:46:25,230 --> 01:46:27,090
pad does that by itself.

1631
01:46:27,450 --> 01:46:29,670
Dave Jones: Yeah, that's one of
the things Eric pap did I didn't

1632
01:46:29,670 --> 01:46:32,610
Adam Curry: realize that was
automatic because I'm seeing

1633
01:46:32,610 --> 01:46:37,050
these the satchel of Richards
I'm seeing the the eggplant

1634
01:46:37,050 --> 01:46:40,620
emojis. I thought people were
putting that in the in the

1635
01:46:40,620 --> 01:46:44,760
boosted gram, but that's good.
Man Herrick. PPU slay me,

1636
01:46:44,760 --> 01:46:45,480
brother. That is.

1637
01:46:46,350 --> 01:46:48,750
Dave Jones: Yeah, he's he's
really picked up the torch and

1638
01:46:48,750 --> 01:46:51,900
run with Hello, Pat. And I just
thought of it about once a week

1639
01:46:51,900 --> 01:46:54,930
he drops a merge request pull
request, and I just merge and

1640
01:46:55,290 --> 01:46:57,750
I'm like, yes, yes. Yes. Yes. So
good.

1641
01:46:57,810 --> 01:46:58,890
Adam Curry: That's so good.

1642
01:46:59,220 --> 01:47:03,780
Dave Jones: Bring it. Ainsley
Costello. Oh, 500 said hello,

1643
01:47:03,780 --> 01:47:04,830
Adam Curry: Ainsley. Thank you.

1644
01:47:05,190 --> 01:47:06,030
Dave Jones: What up girl?

1645
01:47:08,340 --> 01:47:10,740
Adam Curry: What is this Dave
Jones. That's a side of you. I

1646
01:47:10,740 --> 01:47:11,730
haven't heard before.

1647
01:47:16,080 --> 01:47:18,630
Dave Jones: I would love to see
a chart for all the new podcasts

1648
01:47:18,630 --> 01:47:21,330
music shows. Thank you, Adam and
Dave, for all you're doing to

1649
01:47:21,330 --> 01:47:25,050
make this new music world a
reality lightning emoji?

1650
01:47:25,290 --> 01:47:27,360
Adam Curry: Well, that'll be
that'll be part of the cross

1651
01:47:27,360 --> 01:47:31,020
referencing system that'll show
up. Somehow we'll we'll be able

1652
01:47:31,020 --> 01:47:35,130
to find that automatically. Or
even if someone played to play

1653
01:47:35,130 --> 01:47:37,620
the song, not necessarily a
podcast music show. But for now,

1654
01:47:37,650 --> 01:47:39,240
LM beats has a pretty good list.

1655
01:47:40,410 --> 01:47:43,860
Dave Jones: spit and polish does
not slow us down at all. We just

1656
01:47:43,860 --> 01:47:48,030
roll stuff out there. So we
will. We will make that we will

1657
01:47:48,060 --> 01:47:53,790
we'll be having something going
forward. 100% 100% Becker advice

1658
01:47:53,790 --> 01:47:58,230
Chad 6969 through fountain. He
says board meeting 147 felt a

1659
01:47:58,230 --> 01:48:01,740
bit obligatory and frankly, fell
under the category of quote

1660
01:48:01,920 --> 01:48:05,400
meeting that could have been an
email unquote Wow. realist.

1661
01:48:05,430 --> 01:48:11,130
Well, that's hard. Yeah. Read
listened to 146 twice because I

1662
01:48:11,130 --> 01:48:14,430
picked out a few exit strategies
from it. Anyone with any

1663
01:48:14,430 --> 01:48:17,640
aspiration to be someone in the
podcasting 2.0 ecosystem should

1664
01:48:17,640 --> 01:48:21,600
listen to the episode at least a
few times. Also spicy pod sage

1665
01:48:21,600 --> 01:48:25,740
never gets old. I might have to
train an AI on days voice and

1666
01:48:25,740 --> 01:48:29,160
have it recite the Christmas
vacation. Bonus rant. It's

1667
01:48:29,160 --> 01:48:33,360
funny. Well, that he he
complimented us and roasted us

1668
01:48:33,360 --> 01:48:33,780
the same

1669
01:48:33,780 --> 01:48:36,720
Adam Curry: time. Yeah, it's
it's a talent when you do it and

1670
01:48:36,720 --> 01:48:39,780
it's Bert stung a little bit.

1671
01:48:40,320 --> 01:48:44,220
Dave Jones: Thank you. Thank
you. Slack careered.

1672
01:48:45,090 --> 01:48:46,140
Adam Curry: No, please.

1673
01:48:46,620 --> 01:48:50,400
Dave Jones: Becker advice Chad
fallin up 1616 91 He says laugh

1674
01:48:50,400 --> 01:48:53,760
out loud listening today's day
wished gunnery on people never

1675
01:48:53,760 --> 01:49:00,420
get old literally in the tough
moments of podcasting to put it

1676
01:49:00,420 --> 01:49:06,120
on auto replacements as the only
episode. Gene being 20 to 22 to

1677
01:49:06,120 --> 01:49:09,300
cast Maddix is Dave, when you
were talking about categories

1678
01:49:09,300 --> 01:49:11,790
and mediums and how they work
together to describe what a show

1679
01:49:11,790 --> 01:49:15,510
actually is. It dawned on me
that the podcast in 2.0 spec

1680
01:49:15,840 --> 01:49:19,470
isn't just an XML specification,
it seems to becoming a full

1681
01:49:19,470 --> 01:49:23,550
blown domain specific language,
AKA a DSL and I think that's

1682
01:49:23,550 --> 01:49:24,120
amazing.

1683
01:49:24,660 --> 01:49:29,880
Adam Curry: Oh, is the DSL
interesting? DSL, domain

1684
01:49:29,880 --> 01:49:32,820
specific language that sounds
like something pretty meta,

1685
01:49:33,720 --> 01:49:37,650
like, you know, like kernel like
the kernel of Linux, DSL.

1686
01:49:37,950 --> 01:49:40,950
Dave Jones: And now I have to
look at domain domain specific

1687
01:49:41,340 --> 01:49:45,960
language. The slide and a
specific country programming

1688
01:49:45,960 --> 01:49:48,750
language with a higher level of
abstraction optimized for a

1689
01:49:48,750 --> 01:49:52,950
specific class of problems. Wow.
DSL uses the concepts and rules

1690
01:49:53,250 --> 01:49:57,960
from the field or the domain.
Whoa, yikes.

1691
01:49:57,990 --> 01:49:59,190
Adam Curry: Whatever it is,
sounds like a big

1692
01:49:59,190 --> 01:50:01,080
responsibility. Dave That's on
you.

1693
01:50:01,440 --> 01:50:08,670
Dave Jones: That's dropping the
ball. Macintosh 2100 SAS the

1694
01:50:08,670 --> 01:50:11,340
founder says thanks for your
leadership gentlemen, Macintosh

1695
01:50:11,940 --> 01:50:16,050
Well You're welcome. Anonymous
podcast guru user send us a

1696
01:50:16,050 --> 01:50:20,610
satchel Richard 1111 This must
be Jason. He says, testing out

1697
01:50:20,610 --> 01:50:23,820
some new podcasts guru goodness
there's an app explosion going

1698
01:50:23,820 --> 01:50:24,270
on I

1699
01:50:24,270 --> 01:50:27,300
Adam Curry: pop props for
podcast guru notifications.

1700
01:50:27,900 --> 01:50:31,500
These things are fast, little
known.

1701
01:50:32,040 --> 01:50:35,640
Dave Jones: Little known. fact
that podcast Guru is one of the

1702
01:50:35,640 --> 01:50:39,960
few apps that does video. Um, so
if anybody's you know a big

1703
01:50:39,960 --> 01:50:45,450
video user, please check it out.
Oh, we got Comstor blogger got

1704
01:50:45,450 --> 01:50:50,340
301 limiter loader. Here we go.
How do you Dave and Adam. Today,

1705
01:50:50,520 --> 01:50:53,370
I recommend embarking on a
whimsical journey with Jean and

1706
01:50:53,370 --> 01:50:58,680
Ben in the just too good old
boys podcast, both from Texas,

1707
01:50:58,920 --> 01:51:01,860
both avid and experienced
international travelers,

1708
01:51:02,280 --> 01:51:06,150
transitioning from political
satire to biblical banter and

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peppered with a touch of tech
troubles. They offer a mixture

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of hearty last and thought
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their podcast at WWW dot just
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guess monthly got Scott Jobert
$12 Chad Pharaoh $20.20 Cameron

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Rose $25 pod page Brendan over
there. $25 Thank you Brendan.

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01:51:33,030 --> 01:51:39,600
Mark, gram. $1 Joseph maraca $5
and Emilio Kendall Molina. $4

1715
01:51:40,050 --> 01:51:43,440
Adam Curry: Wow, thank you very
much. Sorry, we didn't play a

1716
01:51:43,440 --> 01:51:47,130
song today. Oh, you want to
watch so we just leave with a

1717
01:51:47,130 --> 01:51:53,040
song so that you're okay. I
chose this song because now you

1718
01:51:53,040 --> 01:51:55,830
know, let's not play song. Let's
just not play it. What No, no,

1719
01:51:55,830 --> 01:52:01,170
no, no, it's the wrong song. No,
I've this will be stricken from

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01:52:01,170 --> 01:52:01,800
the record.

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01:52:03,780 --> 01:52:07,500
Dave Jones: I feel like I got
rug pulled What did you have

1722
01:52:07,500 --> 01:52:08,160
queued up

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01:52:08,550 --> 01:52:09,600
Adam Curry: Bobby shell.

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01:52:11,580 --> 01:52:16,530
Dave Jones: Was that the wrong
song? Well, I this this feels

1725
01:52:16,530 --> 01:52:17,880
feels like tooling problems.

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01:52:20,340 --> 01:52:22,740
Adam Curry: Can we get Can I
just let's let's just not play

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01:52:22,740 --> 01:52:26,760
song but you gotta go. It's,
it's 152 this one it would be

1728
01:52:26,790 --> 01:52:29,310
too polarizing for too many
people if I played that song.

1729
01:52:30,540 --> 01:52:35,370
Okay, that's how powerful this
song is. It's so powerful. That

1730
01:52:35,370 --> 01:52:38,670
if I played that song people
it'd be it'd be too polarizing.

1731
01:52:38,670 --> 01:52:41,550
I don't we may not the people
might drop dead in the

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01:52:41,550 --> 01:52:42,090
boardroom.

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01:52:46,500 --> 01:52:48,630
Dave Jones: Okay, you're gonna
have to go back and edit all

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01:52:48,630 --> 01:52:49,110
this out.

1735
01:52:49,140 --> 01:52:51,510
Adam Curry: No, I'm leaving all
of this in so people will go and

1736
01:52:51,510 --> 01:52:55,950
listen to that song. Okay, I'll
play it. The reason why it's

1737
01:52:56,010 --> 01:52:59,730
Polaroid. I liked this song
because I like it when you have

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01:52:59,730 --> 01:53:07,380
a new. New a new like, hip hop
when hip hop first started.

1739
01:53:07,530 --> 01:53:10,950
People be talking about the
radio stations that were that

1740
01:53:10,950 --> 01:53:13,590
were playing the songs they'd be
talking about the DJs they'd be

1741
01:53:13,590 --> 01:53:18,510
talking about the mix tapers,
you know, very cultural. So

1742
01:53:18,510 --> 01:53:23,370
Bobby Schell who I like a lot.
He did this new track beefsteak

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01:53:23,370 --> 01:53:27,660
and Trad wives which is totally
up my alley. I love it. And in

1744
01:53:27,660 --> 01:53:33,510
it. He's singing about value for
value. Except what he says is

1745
01:53:33,600 --> 01:53:41,190
I'm just getting my 99% on wave
Lake. Okay, now I have to play

1746
01:53:41,190 --> 01:53:42,300
it. Everybody can hear

1747
01:53:42,300 --> 01:53:45,750
Dave Jones: it. Yes, this is a
must. This is a must play now.

1748
01:53:45,780 --> 01:53:46,470
It's definitely

1749
01:53:46,470 --> 01:53:48,660
Adam Curry: a must play brother.
I'm sorry. We kept you so long.

1750
01:53:48,690 --> 01:53:51,630
You gotta you gotta get out of
here. You gotta get out. You get

1751
01:53:51,660 --> 01:53:53,490
BM save those accountants.

1752
01:53:53,820 --> 01:53:54,600
Dave Jones: I was still firm.

1753
01:53:56,040 --> 01:53:57,360
Adam Curry: All right,
everybody. Thank you so much.

1754
01:53:57,360 --> 01:54:00,720
This was the podcast in 2.0
board meeting. We will be back

1755
01:54:00,750 --> 01:54:04,380
next week, same time. With a lot
more to discuss. We hope to see

1756
01:54:04,380 --> 01:54:06,180
you here until then. Adios.

1757
01:54:07,710 --> 01:54:10,950
Unknown: Thank you, everyone for
being here tonight. To close out

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01:54:10,950 --> 01:54:13,860
the evening. We have Bobby
Schell. He's going to be

1759
01:54:13,860 --> 01:54:18,030
performing a originals. And I
think it's gonna be very

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01:54:18,030 --> 01:54:19,230
tasteful for the crowd that

1761
01:54:19,230 --> 01:54:22,050
we have here. We heard some of
you are based. You have

1762
01:54:22,050 --> 01:54:26,070
traditional families, and you
believe in sovereignty. So

1763
01:54:26,340 --> 01:54:31,500
everyone who's on the fringes
and not for that. You might be

1764
01:54:31,500 --> 01:54:35,610
one of the clown world people So
Bobby, take it away. Wake up in

1765
01:54:35,610 --> 01:54:38,970
the morning salt and pepper.
ribeye cook. That's the life

1766
01:54:38,970 --> 01:54:42,390
that I live in the city traffic
outskirts where I sit grocery

1767
01:54:42,390 --> 01:54:44,820
store in about a shopping
Farmer's Market I'm living

1768
01:54:44,820 --> 01:54:50,250
based. I'm based in raw sauce no
poison, I'm tasting home grown,

1769
01:54:50,640 --> 01:54:54,090
ribs blazing speaking truth on
the peak got the whole world

1770
01:54:54,090 --> 01:54:57,750
pray. Yes. Bring back the good
life. Why these politicians

1771
01:54:57,750 --> 01:55:02,010
losing their act right? wife and
two kids is quite nice. Life is

1772
01:55:02,010 --> 01:55:05,670
so great when you get yourself a
Trad wife Yes Lord, I got the

1773
01:55:05,670 --> 01:55:09,300
good life. Let these politicians
know they better act right wife

1774
01:55:09,300 --> 01:55:12,930
and two kids sitting quite nice.
Life is so great when you got

1775
01:55:12,930 --> 01:55:17,070
yourself a Trad wife what up
freaks to b2b state supercharged

1776
01:55:17,070 --> 01:55:20,190
with the flow of gas and no
breaks I live at this pace I

1777
01:55:20,190 --> 01:55:23,370
thrive in the face of many
challenges slip your hands and

1778
01:55:23,370 --> 01:55:27,480
pray bring back the good life
why these politicians losing

1779
01:55:27,480 --> 01:55:31,380
their act right wife and two
kids sitting quite nice like the

1780
01:55:31,380 --> 01:55:35,070
so great when you get yourself a
Trad wife. Yes, Lord, I got the

1781
01:55:35,070 --> 01:55:38,700
good life. Let these politicians
know they better aggravate wife

1782
01:55:38,700 --> 01:55:42,330
and two kids sitting quite nice.
Life is so great when you got

1783
01:55:42,330 --> 01:55:45,150
yourself a Trad wife don't
forget the first thing before

1784
01:55:45,150 --> 01:55:50,100
breakfast 123 Gotta get a bench
press never skip a leg day now a

1785
01:55:50,100 --> 01:55:52,770
little princess I don't cut
corners for my son's I've never

1786
01:55:52,770 --> 01:55:56,850
been brick. Oh my gosh is that
the stat slinger earning 99% on

1787
01:55:56,850 --> 01:55:59,850
wavelength the cash bringing in
cash is trash and I'm the

1788
01:55:59,850 --> 01:56:03,630
beekeeper the SIBO Hornets are
loud enough to be libre wake up

1789
01:56:03,630 --> 01:56:06,450
in the morning salt and pepper
my eggs I got my ribeye cooked

1790
01:56:06,570 --> 01:56:09,630
that's the life that I live I
hate the city traffic outskirts

1791
01:56:09,630 --> 01:56:12,660
where I sit grocery store in
about a shop and farmers market

1792
01:56:13,020 --> 01:56:19,140
based I'm based in raw sauce no
poison I'm tasted homegrown risk

1793
01:56:19,140 --> 01:56:22,830
blazing speaking truth on the
beat got the whole world Bragin

1794
01:56:22,860 --> 01:56:26,340
what up freaks the b2b state
supercharged with the flow while

1795
01:56:26,340 --> 01:56:29,910
gas and low brakes I live at
this pace I thrive in the face

1796
01:56:29,910 --> 01:56:33,840
of many challenges slip your
hands and pray bring back the

1797
01:56:33,840 --> 01:56:37,590
good life. Why these politicians
losing their act right? wife and

1798
01:56:37,590 --> 01:56:41,070
two kids sitting quite nice.
Like so great when you get

1799
01:56:41,070 --> 01:56:44,850
yourself a Trad wife. Yes, Lord,
I got the good life. Let these

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01:56:44,850 --> 01:56:48,270
politicians know they better
aggravate wife and two kids

1801
01:56:48,270 --> 01:56:51,270
sitting quite nice diapers so
great when you got yourself a

1802
01:56:51,270 --> 01:56:51,930
Trad wife

1803
01:57:02,610 --> 01:57:07,380
you hope you have been listening
to podcasting 2.0 to visit

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01:57:07,380 --> 01:57:14,610
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