Episode 146: Ad-a-Lytics

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Adam Curry: Oh, podcasting 2.0
for September 15 2023, episode

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146 We got analytics. Oh, oh,
guess we're back once again time

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for a board meeting, the
official board meeting of

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podcasting 2.0 in the only
boardroom that can calculate

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your taxes twice a year. That's
right. Everything happening at

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podcast index.org, the podcast
namespace, all the goings on in

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the wizardry podcast index dot
social. I'm Adam curry here in

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the heart of the Texas Hill
Country and in Alabama, the man

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who spits out RSS JSON and OPML
with a single breath say hello

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to my friend on the other end
ladies and gentlemen Mr. De

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Dave Jones: breathe and Opie

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Adam Curry: breathe in and he's
breathing fine OPML file

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Dave Jones: this Hey, shoot what
the crap just,

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Adam Curry: oh, wait, don't tell
me we're going to do another 15

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minutes of road caster?

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Dave Jones: No, no, that is not
happening. Oh, I know what I did

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accidentally hit that started
put something on top of my

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keyboard and I accidentally hit
the print screen and it took a

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photo of the screen like with
this camera shutter noise

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Adam Curry: it's it's it's
amazing that that actually works

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on on Linux. You're running
Linux, I'm sure right? Ubuntu.

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Yeah, yeah, even on Linux Mint.
i The other day I hit the by

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accident hit the print screen on
my Surface go version two. And

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it took a screenshot it just
brought up the actual screen

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screenshot application and shot
it I was quite surprised

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Dave Jones: when it goes like in
the good like whites the screen.

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I mean, it's the as the whole
thing. It's like you just took a

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picture. I can hear

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Adam Curry: whatever you're
drinking is fizzing in my ear.

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What are you drinking? Like
this? Yes. What is it? That's

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not a beef milkshake. Come on
now.

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Dave Jones: It's not it's a
polar Selter Oh, calorie free.

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Adam Curry: calorie free. Okay.
All right. I'm sure it's real

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healthy. We're trying to keep
you alive. We're trying to keep

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you alive. Dave. Stop drinking
that crap.

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Dave Jones: already. It's just
It's just water is water with

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carbon in it. So I'm like
destroying the planet.

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Adam Curry: Oh, man,

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Dave Jones: I'm literally
eating. I'm taking in carbon and

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producing it at the same you are
one ball of carbon. That's the

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whole idea. Eating

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Adam Curry: a beef milkshake.
Nice. Nice, horrible nice. Is

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Dave the other day said hey,
man, how you doing with beef

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milkshakes? Yeah. Yeah, got it.
Is it good to remind myself to

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have a salad? From time to time?

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Dave Jones: That's what you
That's what I said. You said

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Harry as the beef go. And I was
like, Yeah, that's exactly what

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you sound

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Adam Curry: like. Yeah. My whole
life is surrounded by by

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carnivores. Now everyone here is
on the carnivore diet. So Tina

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is on the carnivore diet. Our
friends are on the carnivore

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diet. My buddies in Dallas
strongly. It was like, you know,

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take the Greens group texting,
texting pictures of their meat.

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Dave Jones: Don't say that. Text
Hey, text me your meat.

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Adam Curry: I'm telling you.
They send me all these pictures

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of meat and like and there's not
you know, we go out to dinner

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and then everyone's like, well,
what sides? Would you want?

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Adam? You're gonna have all of
ours. Like, okay, and asparagus.

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And like the first the first 10
minutes of every dinner is about

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meat.

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Dave Jones: Well, Alex is mostly
I think he's mostly protein too.

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I mean, I think this verse it's,
it's healthy. What do you what

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do you eat besides meat?
Potatoes. You're clearly not a

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carnivore.

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Adam Curry: I eat the beef with
everybody. I mean, I love I love

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beef, but then I'll I like a
potato. Sometimes, like little

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rice salad. You know? It's like,
give me a little Oh, no, I'm

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keto. I mean, ketosis. Okay.

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Dave Jones: Okay, so here,
here's this weird. So I have

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this, I have this theory that is
completely unscientific, but

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that has never stopped me
before.

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Adam Curry: Now just look at
broadcasting. Yes, exactly.

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Dave Jones: Yeah, no, I have no
basis to believe this, but I

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don't care. So but I have this
theory that you're that we we

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each have an ancestral and I
hate this word, ancestral diet,

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that we have an ancestral sort
of diet that that like so if I

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look at my lineage, and I say
okay, so I'm like, I'm I'm super

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white by the way like, all of my
family heritage comes from CAST

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basically white whales and

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Adam Curry: Oh, whales, the
country. I'm sorry. Yeah, I

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thought you were like, whales.
Yes, the low belly of a whale

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blubber.

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Dave Jones: It's all I mean, I'm
like, the I have this theory

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that if you look at your
heritage, and you say, Okay,

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what did my ancestors eat?
That's probably what you should

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mostly be eating.

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Adam Curry: I have a similar
theory. It's but it goes more

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towards what where you live to
whatever ground you're working,

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walking on and where you live.
The you should be eating from

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that ground in that that area.
So Texas obviously beef. Yeah. I

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think I think yeah, I buy into
that, you know, but that isn't

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that the whole keto thing is
caveman.

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Dave Jones: Yeah, that goes way
that goes too far back that goes

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that goes to

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Adam Curry: pre close. Yeah, I
agree. Yeah, he's

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Dave Jones: like, if you go far
back far enough, we're all

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really no, we all came from the
same place. But if like if your

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heritage is from North Africa
and mine is from Wales, yeah. We

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probably we, you could probably
get away with eating more of

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something else, then I can't
then I can't like, you know what

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I mean,

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Adam Curry: you know, what they
say about whales, right. So God

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was, well, Wales is in the
United Kingdom. And when I was

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flying there with my instructor
UK is not that big. You can fly

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around, you know, in a day you
get get a lot of it in and he

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would point down he said, see
that there? That's Wales. He

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says, even if your engine is on
fire, you do not land there.

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Why? Something? Something about
the Brits and the Welsh it's

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something doesn't gel. I'm not
sure what the issue is, but I

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took it to heart so okay, man,
you got it. Never gonna land.

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Dave Jones: Aim for the water.
Yeah, it's just

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Adam Curry: just crashing, you
know, just ditch it. And

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Dave Jones: I'm just in a pissy
mood this week?

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Adam Curry: Well, I don't I
know. We've been friends for

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over 12 years now. And I know
your calendar and your count,

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like twice a year it gets crazy
at your office and it's around

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corporate tax time, individual
tax time, and there's probably

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someone there LLC date that
does, you know, October,

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whatever. But September 15.
Today is like the day I can't

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believe you've been doing the
show,

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Dave Jones: though. Yeah. Okay.
It's it's funny, because the day

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of the deadline is usually, you
know, you're either done or

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you're not, you know, we kind of
like, by that time most

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everybody's pretty much
finishing up. So there's,

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there's a there's always a few
emergencies, but it's usually by

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that time, everything's calm
down. I just like, you know, I

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think I'm just aggravated by
normal stuff. And then the

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podcast news this week, has just
like, made it worse today. Well,

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you know what it is this so
stupid and aggravate. This is

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Adam Curry: the enemy The thief
comes in, only to steal and

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kill. He's that. He's just
trying to distract you. I had it

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this morning. Trying to distract
you from the message. You know,

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I had a really emptiness in with
staying with their sister for a

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few days. She comes back
tomorrow. So I'm here with the

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dog. The dog didn't want to look
at me the dogs by the door like

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Dave Jones: I can tell when
Tina's go. I can tell when Tina

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has gone Oh, without without
knowing that Tina has gone okay.

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Just by how you text.

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Adam Curry: Really? The nature
of my texting? Wow. Yeah. And I

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Dave Jones: can't it's
intangible. I don't know how to

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describe it to you. But I'm like
you said Tina has gone on like,

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yeah, I already knew that.

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Adam Curry: Well, it is true
that I've I've known you know,

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three times as long as I've
known her. Now that's natural

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for know for you now longer, I'm
sorry, four years longer.

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Dave Jones: Even tell you you've
got there's a there's a certain

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stride. In your in your
conversations.

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Adam Curry: Well, well, I there
was just a whole bunch of stuff

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going on. And I'm like, no, no,
I just gotta reset. Because I'm

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so I'm so so excited about the
value for value music. And I've

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been playing it and people are
emailing me saying, you know,

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you're right. I wake up in the
morning, I have this these tunes

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in my head. And it's not stuff
from the radio said yeah, this

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is exactly how it this is
exactly what's happening. And I

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just, I keep busy, like being
amazed by how repetition just,

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you know, what do we have now?
Maybe five, six, maybe eight

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value for value music podcasts?
And I listened to all of them.

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That sounds about right. Yeah, I
listened to all of them. And you

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hear this stuff like and you
start humming it and it's like

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yeah, maybe I should play that
on my show. And you play it and

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then now you've heard it three
four times and now it's it's

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even Tina before she left she
was singing some songs like hey,

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do you realize what you're
saying?

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Dave Jones: Or else and worse
for me I did a live stream the

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other day of Mitra of meeting
like late like making some music

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and GarageBand and because it
just got like it's gotten in my

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head I'm like oh, I've got some
I've got some ideas for some

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tune.

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Adam Curry: Oh, anyway value for
value music is bringing bringing

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the musician better in your back
to the surface. I love it.

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Dave Jones: Yeah, and then I had
to stop myself because I'm like,

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oh my god, I'm already doing 15
You know I can't I don't have

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time for this. So I better build
on that. But but it I see what

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you mean by it gets in your head
and you want to go with it.

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Adam Curry: So you decide do
something more exciting like

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output and OPML version of the
top 100 Because that is sexy.

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Dave Jones: It was exciting to
me.

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Adam Curry: No, I'm not. I'm not
being facetious. I saw wait JSON

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OPML RSS. Love it. The chart,
it's exciting the way you the

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algo, you set up which is based
upon number of booths I think,

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technically isn't. Can we just
say based upon a number of

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events? isn't a one minute
payment also included? Yeah.

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Which I think is fair is fair. I
mean, it's I see people who are

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streaming 1000 SATs a minute. So
it's Oh,

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Dave Jones: I bumped man up. I
think I'm at five. I think I'm

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at 500. At least on one app.
Yeah. I got so many apps. I

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can't keep track of.

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Adam Curry: Yeah, it's, it's
really, yeah, it's if anything,

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I'm impatient. I'm like, Ah, we
need this. We need that. And you

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know, and I know, and I know
you're busy. So I don't want to

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inundate you like hey, why don't
one thing I see is so anyway, so

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I'm looking at the top 100
podcasts index dot top, and John

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Ross is up on top. And this is a
seven day rolling average, I see

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it start to take down I see his
his his numbers go down a little

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bit, then all of a sudden this
morning, MC Costello blows past

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them goes from number two to
number one, she was number one,

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she went down the number two. So
it's this real. It's like a real

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time representation of what is
actually happening in podcasts,

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music, podcasts. And I just love
it. And this also this other

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stuff pops up. And then I see
what was it down here at the

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bottom. And then I see that, you
know, Joe Martin, someone must

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have played Joe Martin on a
playlist. Because he got like,

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one play one, play one play one
play. And then that got me

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Dave Jones: to thinking funny to
see that. No, I

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Adam Curry: love it. That way. I
love it. And then then it got me

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thinking like, Ellen beach.com,
I don't know if it's, if it's an

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I've been using lm beach.com,
which really, it's even built,

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he's built a pretty good app
there. You know, and you connect

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it to even on the phone, I could
connect it to my Alby wallet.

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And so I just say, after I
finished playing a song stream,

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1000 SATs and I can boost while
you know 10 a booster Graham

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while I'm listening, and like
this should this should kind of

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be the the playlist maker and
people should be able to submit

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the playlist that they put
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podcast of songs. I'll step back
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Dave Jones: Yeah, no, I know. I
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playlists. That's why I wanted
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thought you had another thought
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sharing. So start starting with
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playlist to be in the index? As
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Dave Jones: Yes, for sure.
That's what that thing is.

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Adam Curry: okay. All right. But
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and say give me Dave's playlist.
And should end? Yes. And now is

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there a medium equals playlist?
Do we have something like that?

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should go in as the medium tag
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Dave Jones: I don't know. No?
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of this, it'd be good to explain
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playlist. Let me let me step
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was I took the chart, the data
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it just basically, in made an
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just HTML is still all the it's
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it's now it outputs an HTML
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chart contain is is a standard
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call it what do they call it an
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subscription list. Thank you.
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compliance, open compliant OPML
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podcast namespace added to the
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Adam Curry: which is which and
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goodness, I just I'm sorry, I
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freedom controller did pull it
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I click on OK, it just now just
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to click on it. There's nothing
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little It does feed icon as
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when you click on it doesn't do
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Dave Jones: Does it not expand?
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it's sucking in just the feet.
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Adam Curry: the identity. That
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excited for a second. I'm sorry.
You can still be excited. I'm no

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longer excited about that. Oh,
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Dave Jones: Man, I'm so since
I'm your way. So you have the

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OPML feed subscription list. Is,
is there now? Now. And then also

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the same data is building an RSS
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this is the first time that
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may have done this, but I'm not
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Adam Curry: when you say
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podcast feed with enclosures?

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Dave Jones: It is an RSS feed
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he uses remote items, Oh, snap.

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Adam Curry: Yes.

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Dave Jones: Medium that there is
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L. So me music list. Okay.
There's a corresponding list

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version. Yes. So this is a meet
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music episode references now for

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Adam Curry: like, extra credit.
This extra credit class, this

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will be beautiful. Because this
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the sorted state of the music
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would be beautiful. If a music a
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have a value block for the
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puts together a playlist, a
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or whatever it is, while the
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Dave Jones: got it. It's got a
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Adam Curry: Love you Dave Jones.

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Dave Jones: You know what's
missing from the HTML? I'm just

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now looking at the chart. What's
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Adam Curry: Yes, I intuitively I
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OPML. Because I I know you
remember 12 years. So I'm like,

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Okay, I know where this is
hiding. You're missing those

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references. Really what what not
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I'm not sure how this would look
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But when I go to the chart, and
I see daydreamer, we I know

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we've talked about it, I want to
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open a sub page that shows me
and booster grams and shows me

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what other podcasts that has
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days, whatever our timeframe is.
That now that that would be now

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you have mega discovery.

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Dave Jones: Mega discovery. Yes.

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Adam Curry: And those MD, Mike
my delta omega. I know it's a

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whole bunch of other stuff. I
know it's it's like beauty stuff

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that maybe someone else can do
this. Maybe not database work,

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right? You got to pull from the
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Dave Jones: Nobody else is gonna
do this because I can barely do

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it. I just can't even understand
my own crap that nobody else can

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Adam Curry: see that's going to
bring people in because then

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they want to see the booster
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they see that, like oh, hey,
this song that I boosted played

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on this other podcast. Let me
listen to that podcast. Oh,

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here's another bunch of cool
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brings me to? And we I may have
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it may may be really stupid
because it's a recursive type

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question. Is it possible to have
a remote item reference a remote

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Dave Jones: Wait, yeah, I felt
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before. I mean, technically,
yes. Is a good idea and not give

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Adam Curry: what happens here.
Here's, here's, here's what I

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was thinking. Because we're
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Dave Jones: having an HTML
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redirect that redirects back to
itself. Like, you can end up in

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a loop. And like, technically,
you can do it but you hear like,

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Adam Curry: here he was my
thinking. And this may this may

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be just a stupid bridge I'm
trying to create to solve a

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couple of issues. But could you
have a let's say there's a piece

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of software that just does
wallets and splits. Okay, but

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you want to reference that from
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for a lot of I think a lot of
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different things. If let's say
I'll be for instance, they had a

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split management system or any
or wallet or it could be just a

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standalone who revolute who
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see some some place where you
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block that I guess it doesn't
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what it is I saw this, this
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been going around and I put it
in the show notes is this. This

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dude has been working with Bjorn
from Abba. And you know, the guy

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who has a very popular YouTube
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the music industry. And he has
this like studio with all his

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guitars against the wall, I
think what the guy's name is,

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Rob, Rob's Yeah, something like
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And so they sit down, and
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the music business is. And this,
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other Swedish guy that built
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all you have to do is you get
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the recording software. And so
whenever you do even the

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smallest bit on a track
anywhere, it automatically puts

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you in the in the system, it
gets you all the, the you know,

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the like the equivalent of ISBN
numbers you need for the big

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block black box that is the
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it's literally the title of the
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are broken, how to fix it. And,
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what is showing is this whole
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have eight writers on one song
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And I'm looking at it and go,
that's literally splits.

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Literally, they McCall it splits
it, you split the split this

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year, like we have all of this,
except we don't have to link out

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to this whole, you know, this
whole system of collections and,

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and you know, strong arming and
nonprofits that really invest

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your money before they pay it to
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weird stuff. I'm just thinking,
how can we simplify that for

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musicians? So it becomes
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saying I'm like, we just need to
explain it better on the systems

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that are hosting content, I
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frustrated with wavelength that
they don't have splits. I'll

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just say it upfront. It's
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it's not showing the power of
the system. That's only taking

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the artists halfway and saying
you know, oh, look, you know,

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you can get paid but it doesn't
say we're taking over the whole

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convoluted system and bringing
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published contract that any of
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any time with with money going
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the music that people who
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it's coming from, like how can
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around it because I'm so
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it's not not there yet.

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Dave Jones: That you know,
that's that's in line with the

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whole that's in line with the
whole frustration I've had this

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week with all the what
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digit just the whole digital ad
supported. Podcasts, industrial

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complex bullcrap. That was
hilarious.

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Adam Curry: If no one's making
money. No one's paying money to

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the creators. They're stealing
it. They've all these deals that

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were made with these networks
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which are now they can't even
make the guaranteed payout. It's

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crumbling.

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Dave Jones: Yeah, it's just
fall. It's just falling apart.

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Yeah. And this is what gets me
what gets me is the is the way

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that it's communicated.

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Adam Curry: Oh, yeah.

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Dave Jones: Can we just say, can
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Look at look at any company. And
if you if you really try your

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hardest to figure out how they
make money, and you can't figure

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it out? They're not making
money? Can we just can we just

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say that they probably don't
know either? Yeah, if you can't

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figure it out, they probably
can't figure it out, either. Or

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they're, you know, or they're
embarrassed to tell you as you

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do, just like this whole thing.
The the advertising based

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podcast industrial complex lives
in a bubble that they live in

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podcast conference world, their
number, their numbers are so

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misleading, like this. So this
just a couple of things popped

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out at me just from James's
coverage this week in pod news.

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smi data from guideline which
captures agency invoicing data

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this is this is the crap that I
hate these companies there's

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like 100 of these companies that
all want to get into in the

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middle in in analyze your ad you
know, do analytics and all this

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blue or analytics I like that
Yeah. smi data from guideline

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which captures agency invoicing
data says that podcast ad spend

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grew 57% in quarter two how now
tell me how is That ething

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possible. Dropping. It says
nearly one in four podcast

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dollars were spent in the tech
category. Okay. We know people

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in the tech category who

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Adam Curry: are scraping
scraping by, yeah, who

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Dave Jones: you are, who runs
successful shows with large

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audiences and who are hurting?
How in God's name does this

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bullcrap fit with what I see
with my eyeballs. But if you

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live in the podcast, conference
bubble, or the divergent digital

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advertising conference bubble,
you start over time to think

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that's actually what it really
what reality?

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Adam Curry: Oh, yeah, it's true.
It's yeah, it's creating a false

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premise,

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Dave Jones: you stop being able
to see that the quote unquote

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industry is really just a
collection of like, two strata

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of businesses.

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Adam Curry: Yeah. But it's such
a small, it's such a young

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industry, we're only just
getting started, though. It's

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Dave Jones: 20 year, yeah, you
got a small group of established

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companies that are on top, they
have market share and revenue

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and enough cash flow not to die.
And then you have a much larger,

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like tier under that of
startups, that that'll say

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anything necessary and produce
any metrics necessary in order

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to be acquired by that high by
that desk here, yes. And achieve

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an exit strategy or bullshit,

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Adam Curry: or there's a lot of
people looking for funding right

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now. And so, you know, the, the
appearances have to be kept up,

435
00:26:42,810 --> 00:26:47,040
while the funding round is
ongoing. And I know several

436
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:51,300
companies that are doing this
right now, I mean, the most, the

437
00:26:51,300 --> 00:26:56,610
clearest signal to me, because
it it is a quote, unquote, free

438
00:26:56,610 --> 00:27:03,450
market is podcast, one stock
price that really showed me

439
00:27:03,450 --> 00:27:07,980
everything I needed to know. And
I think the the coverage has

440
00:27:07,980 --> 00:27:12,360
been incorrect. You know, they,
they then would they, it wasn't

441
00:27:12,390 --> 00:27:16,260
a, it was a spin out not an
initial public offering in the

442
00:27:16,260 --> 00:27:20,010
classic sense where they raised
100, or several 100 million

443
00:27:20,010 --> 00:27:24,180
dollars, now they spun it out.
So it was already stocked that

444
00:27:24,180 --> 00:27:27,660
existed. And I just put part of
it into a into a separate

445
00:27:27,660 --> 00:27:33,300
entity, and it was priced at $8.
And the the true value is really

446
00:27:33,300 --> 00:27:36,870
about $2.70 where it is right
now. And I just want to I want

447
00:27:36,870 --> 00:27:40,620
people to understand when you go
public, and you and so there's

448
00:27:40,650 --> 00:27:45,300
there was people holding stock
at a value of $8 in a drop down

449
00:27:45,300 --> 00:27:49,680
to 270. And, you know, people
might have purchased that stock

450
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:57,210
for five, you know, in pre pre
rounds or in employee stock

451
00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:01,140
options, compensation. So this
is severely underwater. In fact,

452
00:28:01,140 --> 00:28:04,770
it's so bad that the from what I
can calculate and it's a little

453
00:28:04,770 --> 00:28:09,390
murky, the actual intrinsic
value of the company based upon

454
00:28:09,390 --> 00:28:14,550
its income is is more than the
actual stock so this is telling

455
00:28:14,550 --> 00:28:18,000
you that this is there's lying
going on here

456
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:20,940
Dave Jones: that you're saying
the book value of their assets

457
00:28:20,940 --> 00:28:23,580
Adam Curry: book value. Yeah,
correct. Correct. Correct.

458
00:28:24,360 --> 00:28:26,370
Dave Jones: And that's, that's
something they write Yeah,

459
00:28:26,370 --> 00:28:29,880
Adam Curry: and it just makes it
makes me very unhappy people,

460
00:28:29,940 --> 00:28:33,750
the employees who have stock
options probably at a lower

461
00:28:33,750 --> 00:28:38,730
strike price than the $8 but I
don't think it's under three and

462
00:28:38,730 --> 00:28:41,670
I've been there I mean, I have
literally been there with a with

463
00:28:41,700 --> 00:28:47,160
my own IPO we went the first day
went from $7 to 725 and then had

464
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:53,730
a slide down to the fours and
worked for two years almost

465
00:28:54,090 --> 00:28:57,210
really hard and reporting
numbers and being proud we were

466
00:28:57,210 --> 00:29:01,590
profitable one penny but we were
profitable and you know and

467
00:29:01,590 --> 00:29:07,650
eventually wound up going to you
know 1314 But it's really really

468
00:29:07,650 --> 00:29:12,480
hard and it just shows that
there's no belief in in this

469
00:29:12,510 --> 00:29:18,150
particular sector no belief and
and the same goes for the

470
00:29:18,150 --> 00:29:22,410
Spotify is the comparable you
know the stories are everywhere.

471
00:29:22,740 --> 00:29:25,710
Now, I don't think it's properly
reported but

472
00:29:25,980 --> 00:29:30,000
Dave Jones: I'll have to give it
to James he he made it so this

473
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:37,980
cast media podcast one coverage
he a fairly stated you know, in

474
00:29:38,010 --> 00:29:41,130
I think it was in today's
newsletter that, you know, hey,

475
00:29:41,130 --> 00:29:44,880
this is not an isolated
incident. This is there's

476
00:29:44,910 --> 00:29:48,120
there's this is happening all
over. And and he's right. I

477
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:52,410
mean, you have people that
Nielsen is laying off 1000

478
00:29:52,410 --> 00:29:57,480
people you know, but hey CPMs
are strong. Casper cast media

479
00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:58,320
implode is

480
00:29:59,130 --> 00:30:02,940
Adam Curry: selling a B You see
an ESPN but hey hey media is

481
00:30:02,940 --> 00:30:04,410
doing well. Yes.

482
00:30:04,980 --> 00:30:08,640
Dave Jones: How about the CPMs I
mean like the rev the cat the

483
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,790
Cass media dudes like revenues
per download fell off a cliff

484
00:30:11,790 --> 00:30:13,950
you know but then we get this
other thing that says you know

485
00:30:13,950 --> 00:30:18,210
host reads you're doing great in
PR laid off their whole podcast

486
00:30:18,210 --> 00:30:19,380
crew but downloads are up

487
00:30:20,250 --> 00:30:23,130
Adam Curry: on Spotify laid off
their entire podcast group.

488
00:30:24,030 --> 00:30:28,110
Dave Jones: Yeah, it should be
no but so but hey, the script

489
00:30:28,110 --> 00:30:31,140
ball squad cast so everything's
great. It's this. This is all

490
00:30:31,140 --> 00:30:35,580
just a bunch of exit strategy.
Everyone's talking Yes, the

491
00:30:35,580 --> 00:30:40,650
podcast industrial complex is
just a navel gazing exit seeker

492
00:30:41,430 --> 00:30:47,370
the Silicon Valley hang on in
there. They're in they're all

493
00:30:47,370 --> 00:30:50,910
using this like this other big
story this week. That was

494
00:30:51,330 --> 00:30:56,970
annoying was the like this arts
AI and Clara toss the two

495
00:30:56,970 --> 00:31:00,360
companies I'd never heard of. So
I go looking into one of these

496
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:02,760
there everybody was all hot and
bothered to tell you to declare

497
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:07,470
toss acquired arts a I like,
Okay, another exit strategy

498
00:31:07,470 --> 00:31:10,440
bullcrap thing, I'm sure. So go
look into, like, what do they

499
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:14,820
do? Oh, it's tracking pixels,
there going to be attribution.

500
00:31:14,970 --> 00:31:18,030
You know, an attribution is so
accurate because, you know,

501
00:31:18,210 --> 00:31:21,570
we're everybody likes to add,
you know, MGM is like you sent

502
00:31:21,570 --> 00:31:25,470
me that article, MGM is now
claiming the their ransomware

503
00:31:25,470 --> 00:31:29,700
breach was now it's the run now
is not Russian. He's attribution

504
00:31:29,940 --> 00:31:35,490
attribution. Everybody wants. So
like, this is all just a bunch

505
00:31:35,490 --> 00:31:39,630
of what what the RSA? I think
it's, it's a tracking pixel.

506
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:42,600
That's what that's that's their
whole business is a tracking

507
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:48,060
pixel. And it's a bunch of
stalker level. Crap. And I hate

508
00:31:48,060 --> 00:31:54,000
it. I hate all of it. We'll just
admit that Spotify that just

509
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:58,200
didn't mid Spotify came in with
a billion dollars. Yeah.

510
00:31:58,230 --> 00:32:02,730
Distorted everybody's decision
making process. In the podcast

511
00:32:02,730 --> 00:32:05,070
industrial complex. The
podcasting industry is not

512
00:32:05,100 --> 00:32:08,010
fundamentally different than it
was five years ago, before

513
00:32:08,010 --> 00:32:11,760
Spotify came in here. A high
roller showed up and everybody

514
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:14,580
got greedy. Yes. At the end of
story. Failure. Yes.

515
00:32:14,610 --> 00:32:16,260
Adam Curry: And that's why
people say it's a very young

516
00:32:16,260 --> 00:32:18,750
industry, because they really go
back and say, well, it's really

517
00:32:18,750 --> 00:32:22,680
only been going since 2016. And
it really got rolling with Joe

518
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:26,970
Rogan. But yeah, it's all based
on exits. It's all based on

519
00:32:26,970 --> 00:32:30,420
exits, and we're in we're in a,
we're in an interesting spot

520
00:32:30,420 --> 00:32:34,320
right now. With value for value.
Okay, let me step back and say

521
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:38,220
one thing I've said all the
time, because I did it, I went

522
00:32:38,220 --> 00:32:40,920
through this curve. And it
wasn't just early or anything

523
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:44,160
like that. In fact, podcasting
was front page news everywhere.

524
00:32:44,340 --> 00:32:48,810
In 2007 2008. It got snowed
under once the YouTube

525
00:32:48,810 --> 00:32:52,470
acquisition happened because it
was $2 billion. No one's No,

526
00:32:52,530 --> 00:32:55,680
that's all everyone cared about,
let alone what would it cost

527
00:32:55,710 --> 00:32:58,830
Google to keep that running?
until they finally had some

528
00:32:58,830 --> 00:33:04,530
revenue going? You cannot
monetize the network. I've said

529
00:33:04,530 --> 00:33:08,400
it time and time again, it does
not work. This is an inherently

530
00:33:09,420 --> 00:33:14,580
decentralized medium. Can you as
an individual podcaster make a

531
00:33:14,580 --> 00:33:20,340
living with advertising? Yes,
most definitely. But it's only

532
00:33:20,340 --> 00:33:24,570
going to work. If you have
direct contact with the

533
00:33:24,570 --> 00:33:30,570
advertiser. They understand what
you do. They're a part of either

534
00:33:30,570 --> 00:33:33,300
your community, I've always seen
it kind of like bridesmaid

535
00:33:33,300 --> 00:33:38,550
magazine. I think host reads are
the only way it really works.

536
00:33:41,010 --> 00:33:44,850
And it's dangerous, because you
can lose, you can lose that one

537
00:33:44,850 --> 00:33:48,840
advertiser or those couple of
advertisers. But it just has

538
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:51,990
been proven, you ride the wave,
you have to ride the wave the

539
00:33:51,990 --> 00:33:54,840
wave up and you ride the wave.
But it has been proven time and

540
00:33:54,840 --> 00:34:00,150
again, that you can't do it at
scale. You can't then Spotify

541
00:34:00,150 --> 00:34:03,780
tried it at huge scale, put a
billion dollars into it.

542
00:34:04,500 --> 00:34:09,240
Everyone Everyone agrees it
failed. And there's there's all

543
00:34:09,240 --> 00:34:13,140
kinds of reasons that that
happens. The main one, I think

544
00:34:13,140 --> 00:34:17,010
is that they they distorted the
whole business model by paying

545
00:34:17,250 --> 00:34:22,320
exorbitant prices for creators
and producers and had to man yo

546
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:27,570
had Neumann mics and, like,
that's not the model. Now. It

547
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:32,250
just doesn't work that way. Now,
I think, above tech podcast, you

548
00:34:32,250 --> 00:34:35,340
know, they were doing really,
really well and they had mainly

549
00:34:35,340 --> 00:34:38,310
Linode as their as their
sponsor. I think everything else

550
00:34:38,340 --> 00:34:41,370
went kind of went by the
wayside. This was you know, was

551
00:34:41,370 --> 00:34:44,880
minor in what it was doing. And
then Linode gets purchased.

552
00:34:45,240 --> 00:34:47,790
People change, you know, so you
know, you still have to run a

553
00:34:47,790 --> 00:34:51,420
business. Not everybody has the
right to earn money for their

554
00:34:51,420 --> 00:34:55,830
podcast. In fact, I would say
95% of most podcasts are not

555
00:34:55,830 --> 00:34:59,970
outstanding products, but they
may be very valuable for you

556
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:04,560
Community for your club for
your, for your school, whatever

557
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:08,430
it is, that can be extremely
valuable. But trying to run it

558
00:35:08,430 --> 00:35:11,820
like a replacement for the media
business. It won't work. It's

559
00:35:11,820 --> 00:35:14,910
been how many times do we have
to say it won't work that way?

560
00:35:16,170 --> 00:35:19,320
Dave Jones: Yeah, well, Somebody
contacted me this week, and

561
00:35:19,350 --> 00:35:23,130
somebody we know and said that,
you know, they've got a longtime

562
00:35:23,130 --> 00:35:28,320
advertiser that's, you know,
supports them really well. And

563
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:31,890
now they're wanting to use one
of these ad ad tracking

564
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:37,020
analytics companies to put their
one to put a like a prefix.

565
00:35:37,170 --> 00:35:40,410
Yeah. into their, into their
down. Yeah, they want metrics.

566
00:35:40,410 --> 00:35:44,250
They want metric. They want
metrics in that. And so, you

567
00:35:44,250 --> 00:35:46,770
know, this person was like, hey,
you know, I'm a little bothered

568
00:35:46,770 --> 00:35:50,670
by this, because our, our, our
podcast audience is very privacy

569
00:35:50,670 --> 00:35:53,700
focused. That's, that's one of
the things that we talk about a

570
00:35:53,700 --> 00:35:57,990
lot on our podcast. And now I'm
being asked to put in this

571
00:35:57,990 --> 00:36:01,560
creepy tracking stuff in here.
And and I don't know, but, but

572
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:05,400
if I don't do it, then I may
lose the sponsor. Like, I hate

573
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:14,670
all of this crap. It's all so
gross. Yes, I mean, the in you

574
00:36:14,670 --> 00:36:17,520
know, you have these, you can
tell, but you can tell because

575
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:22,830
the companies that are focused
on this, they don't play ball

576
00:36:22,980 --> 00:36:24,780
with podcasting. 2.0.

577
00:36:24,810 --> 00:36:26,670
Adam Curry: No, because they
need closed systems for

578
00:36:26,670 --> 00:36:27,450
attribution.

579
00:36:28,140 --> 00:36:30,570
Dave Jones: Yeah, and that, but
they will tell you all day long

580
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:34,320
people like a cast, they will
say all day long. We're open for

581
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:37,350
open podcasting, open
podcasting, open podcasting. No,

582
00:36:37,350 --> 00:36:40,440
your marketing company, your
digital advertising company, and

583
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:43,560
you're not playing, you're not
doing anything with furthering

584
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:48,270
the open podcast RSS
specifications. Don't act like

585
00:36:48,270 --> 00:36:53,190
you are because you're not here
you are. You're in it to sell

586
00:36:53,190 --> 00:36:56,160
ads, just like ever, just like
all these other companies are no

587
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,950
different than any of these
other companies. You just claim

588
00:36:58,950 --> 00:37:03,330
to be because everybody's like,
Oh, great, that's awesome. But

589
00:37:03,330 --> 00:37:06,780
there's no if you don't ever do
anything, then it's all just

590
00:37:06,780 --> 00:37:07,740
empty words.

591
00:37:08,490 --> 00:37:11,010
Adam Curry: Well, none of them
are making money. None of the

592
00:37:11,010 --> 00:37:14,100
networks that I know of see as
becoming your blog are actually

593
00:37:14,100 --> 00:37:16,530
pointed to you said this network
is making money. But okay,

594
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:22,920
maybe. I'm not so sure about
what that means. But there's so

595
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:29,700
many dynamics in a in a podcast
network, that that just don't

596
00:37:29,730 --> 00:37:33,990
work in a business sense. And
that's because anybody can reach

597
00:37:34,020 --> 00:37:38,370
the network. There's no, it only
works when it's linear time

598
00:37:38,370 --> 00:37:42,210
based media, like cable or
broadcast television. It only

599
00:37:42,210 --> 00:37:45,480
works when it's behind a
paywall, and you see more and

600
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:49,530
more podcasts going behind
paywalls for so called premium

601
00:37:49,530 --> 00:37:53,400
content that this thing has
always bothered me. What you're

602
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:57,450
listening to now is crap. Pay me
for the good stuff. Yes. It's

603
00:37:57,450 --> 00:38:02,880
like what a drug dealer? I mean,
what is this? This is Frank, and

604
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:08,040
the good stuff is behind the
paywall. So none of that is is

605
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:13,140
honest, none of it is good. A
very small handful of people

606
00:38:13,140 --> 00:38:16,350
will still only make the money
and really for the listeners, it

607
00:38:16,350 --> 00:38:21,420
limits the choice. I can't even
I can't have 25 subscriptions.

608
00:38:21,690 --> 00:38:22,230
Can

609
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:25,620
Dave Jones: I'm already having
to make decisions already. And

610
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:28,620
I've only got, you know, four or
five of these things. And I'm

611
00:38:28,620 --> 00:38:31,770
already like, Okay, I'll get
like, what if I want to replace

612
00:38:31,770 --> 00:38:35,190
one with another, I have to make
a decision, like paywalls

613
00:38:35,220 --> 00:38:40,140
paywalls, don't do what people
think they do. know, they, they

614
00:38:40,140 --> 00:38:43,530
aren't what you think they are,
they only stop the people that

615
00:38:43,530 --> 00:38:46,260
wouldn't have paid you anyway,
from listening,

616
00:38:46,620 --> 00:38:49,590
Adam Curry: which is the same as
value for value, you're not

617
00:38:49,590 --> 00:38:53,130
going to get everybody to send
you value, it's only going to be

618
00:38:53,130 --> 00:38:57,810
three or 4%. It may be the same
three or 4%. Who would pay for

619
00:38:57,810 --> 00:39:02,970
it. But it's amazing. If you ask
someone to subscribe, and it's

620
00:39:02,970 --> 00:39:06,060
$5 a month, that same person
probably would have given you 15

621
00:39:06,060 --> 00:39:09,480
If you just ask them, for you
for them to help you out. That's

622
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:10,770
my experience.

623
00:39:11,100 --> 00:39:13,110
Dave Jones: They had that long
conversation on the accidental

624
00:39:13,110 --> 00:39:15,660
tech podcast the other day about
their advertising being down and

625
00:39:15,660 --> 00:39:18,030
what you know, what do we do? Do
we increase the price of the

626
00:39:18,030 --> 00:39:21,930
subscription? You know, and I
was like, no, no, no, no, no.

627
00:39:22,770 --> 00:39:27,540
Take the lid off. Just take the
proper, the proper solution to

628
00:39:27,540 --> 00:39:33,120
this is not to raise the floor.
But to take off the ceiling. You

629
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:38,820
know you don't don't like don't
raise the floor up so that you

630
00:39:38,820 --> 00:39:43,470
exclude even more people. Take
the ceiling off. Let people pay

631
00:39:43,470 --> 00:39:46,980
whatever they want. You're gonna
have some you're gonna have some

632
00:39:46,980 --> 00:39:51,570
people that will that will only
pay you 234 Or five bucks a

633
00:39:51,570 --> 00:39:55,530
month, or when or whenever they
want. But you're going to have

634
00:39:55,620 --> 00:39:58,200
you're going to have some small
percentage that's going to pay

635
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:02,400
you way, way more than In the $8
you're charging for your pay

636
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:07,410
wall. It's it's just like the
pay wall just doesn't function

637
00:40:07,410 --> 00:40:09,930
the way people think people
think that the pay wall is a

638
00:40:09,930 --> 00:40:17,310
solution to give them like a
stable monthly income. But it

639
00:40:17,310 --> 00:40:20,370
can't the street look at the
streaming videos look at the

640
00:40:20,370 --> 00:40:27,600
streaming video channels like
Netflix, Paramount Max, yeah,

641
00:40:27,750 --> 00:40:32,460
they are, there's, there's a
subscription churn that's

642
00:40:32,460 --> 00:40:36,120
happening, people are bailing
out, it's not, it's not going to

643
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:39,990
make you any more stable than
you would than it would if you

644
00:40:39,990 --> 00:40:44,820
just did value for value disabil
the stability is a is a it's a

645
00:40:44,820 --> 00:40:49,200
fog, it's a myth, your your
value for value, where you just

646
00:40:49,230 --> 00:40:53,280
open it up and say you just pay
me whatever you want. That that

647
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:57,540
is that's gonna give you more
rev is gonna give you more

648
00:40:57,540 --> 00:41:02,850
income, and less of this bailout
stuff where you constantly have

649
00:41:02,850 --> 00:41:05,910
to manage these memberships and
all this and it's gonna less

650
00:41:05,910 --> 00:41:08,280
it's gonna be so much less
frustrating to your audience.

651
00:41:09,150 --> 00:41:12,540
Adam Curry: That said, I think
there I'm gonna go back to music

652
00:41:12,540 --> 00:41:18,150
for a moment because there is a
this opportunity of music and

653
00:41:18,150 --> 00:41:24,660
podcasts is so large is so huge
that everybody can benefit

654
00:41:24,690 --> 00:41:29,310
artists first and foremost, and
I think we'll see a free market

655
00:41:29,310 --> 00:41:34,350
develop between the wallet
switching. So if you have a

656
00:41:34,350 --> 00:41:37,230
playlist, I can see where
someone has a very popular

657
00:41:37,230 --> 00:41:41,820
playlist and they put their
wallet share their wallet

658
00:41:41,820 --> 00:41:50,190
switching share at 10% instead
of 5% because they just they

659
00:41:50,190 --> 00:41:55,290
just bring in that much value if
you're on that list. I can see

660
00:41:55,290 --> 00:41:58,380
the same working for podcast
right now everyone kind of has

661
00:41:58,380 --> 00:42:06,690
it at 95% for the artist but
together we can completely

662
00:42:06,690 --> 00:42:11,190
replaced two industries at once
the music discovery industry

663
00:42:11,460 --> 00:42:17,670
which is radio playlists
algorithms, to a degree perhaps

664
00:42:17,670 --> 00:42:24,930
YouTube and the music industry
itself and and the proof here is

665
00:42:24,930 --> 00:42:27,960
that there is no difference
between what we're doing and

666
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,870
what radio is whether you're
playing one song and your

667
00:42:30,870 --> 00:42:34,350
podcast just because you like it
because your your your a God

668
00:42:34,350 --> 00:42:38,430
cast or you do a sermon and you
play a worship song. Whether

669
00:42:38,430 --> 00:42:42,180
you're you know whether you're
doing full on like music, radio

670
00:42:42,180 --> 00:42:48,210
stuff, everybody can win and
then the world wants it. We are

671
00:42:48,210 --> 00:42:56,820
typically very behind I see RSS
blue. Dobby does a great job on

672
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:01,380
on getting music to upload but I
want to warn everybody for

673
00:43:01,380 --> 00:43:07,800
something. And so this is what
got me down a little bit this

674
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:11,760
morning and then I realized that
this was the enemy's work. So I

675
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:15,150
wrote an article for Bitcoin
magazine for the paper Bitcoin

676
00:43:15,150 --> 00:43:20,190
magazine. And the latest episode
latest edition has come out and

677
00:43:20,190 --> 00:43:23,790
my article is not in it. What
I've been informed is there

678
00:43:23,820 --> 00:43:28,500
instead is an article called
Gimme Shelter withdrawing the

679
00:43:28,500 --> 00:43:32,760
music industry by Craig Deutsch.
And in it is everything wave

680
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:37,440
Lake boost Joe Martin everything
except podcasting. 2.0 Any

681
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:41,520
mention of what we're doing?
Really? Yeah, I have not read it

682
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:44,820
myself. So but um, so But I
already understand what happened

683
00:43:44,820 --> 00:43:45,090
there.

684
00:43:45,750 --> 00:43:48,960
Dave Jones: And this is a bunch
of I'm not mad,

685
00:43:48,990 --> 00:43:53,970
Adam Curry: I'm not mad. I'm not
mad. I'm not mad I am. I think

686
00:43:53,970 --> 00:43:57,570
it's great because it brings
attention to what we're doing.

687
00:43:58,260 --> 00:44:02,040
But we have to realize that
there are venture capital funded

688
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:08,550
companies who believe believe
that it is just people going to

689
00:44:08,550 --> 00:44:12,720
a website and clicking booths
that is making this happen. And

690
00:44:12,750 --> 00:44:16,590
we have the data to show that
that's not true. It's coming

691
00:44:16,590 --> 00:44:20,490
from these podcasts that that
are switching wallets, in the

692
00:44:20,490 --> 00:44:23,550
podcast. And that's what's
getting the big boost and mainly

693
00:44:23,550 --> 00:44:27,330
from live podcast. I mean,
behind the schemes, all the

694
00:44:27,330 --> 00:44:30,990
blueberry stuff, this is where
it's all coming from, you know,

695
00:44:31,590 --> 00:44:36,720
booster gram ball, and this is
what is exciting and because

696
00:44:36,750 --> 00:44:41,550
it's so good. You're seeing an
industrial complex that is that

697
00:44:41,550 --> 00:44:46,800
is trained and is been built
that who come from an industry

698
00:44:47,130 --> 00:44:51,600
naturally trying to do what they
know and that is recreate the

699
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:57,570
industry but they're doing it
poorly. So in as much as I love

700
00:44:57,570 --> 00:45:02,730
what wavelike has done. Not
having Blitz, and, you know, I

701
00:45:02,730 --> 00:45:06,360
don't know if it's coming, I
hear it's on on the roadmap, but

702
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:11,700
I hear I hear, you know, more
talk about noster than I hear

703
00:45:11,700 --> 00:45:14,550
about, you know, something
that's actually working, which

704
00:45:14,550 --> 00:45:15,210
is okay.

705
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:20,220
Dave Jones: You know, I mean,
but you know, and, and on noster

706
00:45:20,220 --> 00:45:26,010
you get stuff like the Fiat Jas
rant about how horrible RSS is

707
00:45:26,010 --> 00:45:30,570
and it needs to go away. I'm
like, this, this is all so

708
00:45:30,570 --> 00:45:38,400
stupid. Because the the RSS
based podcast ecosystem is a 20

709
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:44,100
year mature, content delivery
system that already works you

710
00:45:44,100 --> 00:45:48,360
have, there's nothing to build
people. There's nothing there to

711
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:52,020
build, it's built, it already
functions. And you're gonna

712
00:45:52,020 --> 00:45:57,150
throw all of that away, and go
into this relay based noster

713
00:45:57,150 --> 00:46:00,870
thing that we don't even have
the time note, you can't even

714
00:46:00,870 --> 00:46:04,140
figure out, you don't even know
whether your posts are on one

715
00:46:04,140 --> 00:46:09,840
relay or another. This is all so
stupid, is the bit I love

716
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:15,480
Bitcoin as a protocol. And as a
as a specification, and as a

717
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:20,670
currency. But the people within
the Bitcoin world can be just as

718
00:46:20,670 --> 00:46:24,630
toxic as anybody else. They
aggravate the crap out of me.

719
00:46:24,930 --> 00:46:30,480
And they are not this this
benevolent, you know, own

720
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:35,820
freedom loving people. They're
just as Vc addicted as everybody

721
00:46:35,820 --> 00:46:36,300
else.

722
00:46:36,660 --> 00:46:40,980
Adam Curry: Correct. And right
now, there's only one VC in that

723
00:46:40,980 --> 00:46:46,770
world. And and that's Jack
Dorsey. Yeah, he's he is the VC.

724
00:46:48,450 --> 00:46:53,760
So what I realized from this is,
we have to go back to the same

725
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:56,940
way we started with value for
value for podcasting, we have to

726
00:46:56,940 --> 00:47:03,300
evangelize it. I know that what
I what I want is I want to

727
00:47:04,020 --> 00:47:08,490
communicate to our hosting
partners in crime, that this is

728
00:47:08,490 --> 00:47:13,620
not taken care of, by, you know,
one or two websites that allow

729
00:47:13,620 --> 00:47:18,630
you to upload some music half
ass and, you know, and, and, you

730
00:47:18,630 --> 00:47:20,760
know, there's all kinds of
things that haven't been thought

731
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:24,630
through, like, Why does Ainslie
Costello have three RSS feeds

732
00:47:24,630 --> 00:47:27,720
instead of one, you know, is
that the way it's built? Is that

733
00:47:27,720 --> 00:47:30,210
the way it's communicated, you
know, all things that don't make

734
00:47:30,210 --> 00:47:33,300
a lot of sense. I'm glad that
all of it makes its way into the

735
00:47:33,300 --> 00:47:38,310
index. I'm super appreciative
that it's all RSS based, but the

736
00:47:38,310 --> 00:47:44,130
opportunity is, is walking past
because I can just see the

737
00:47:44,130 --> 00:47:46,770
meetings or not, you know, it's
like I or whatever, you know,

738
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:51,240
where's what we desperately need
right now today, is we need

739
00:47:52,770 --> 00:47:57,840
hosting companies to enable
people to add remote items in

740
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:02,010
their feed. And I know it's like
you got to sit down, you got to

741
00:48:02,100 --> 00:48:06,270
be wrap your head around it. But
if we and I'm sure RSS blue

742
00:48:06,270 --> 00:48:09,180
seems to be ahead of the curve,
but even Dolby das like Nah, I'm

743
00:48:09,180 --> 00:48:14,670
not there yet. And we have all
the API's, you can ping podcast

744
00:48:14,670 --> 00:48:19,650
index, to search for a song and
then add it to like, Okay, I

745
00:48:19,650 --> 00:48:22,920
played a song at five minutes
and 30 seconds, here's the name

746
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:26,160
of the song, I can see it
already in my mind, in the

747
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:30,540
publishing interface, click,
it's added and the remote item

748
00:48:30,570 --> 00:48:35,010
is added into your feed. That's,
that's the tool that we need.

749
00:48:35,550 --> 00:48:40,350
And until we get a groundswell
of that, you're gonna see

750
00:48:40,380 --> 00:48:45,690
failure, the failure of artists
being disappointed putting music

751
00:48:45,690 --> 00:48:48,570
up not getting a lot of
traction, because we literally

752
00:48:48,570 --> 00:48:53,820
can't create enough podcast to
build the industry. That is that

753
00:48:53,820 --> 00:48:57,120
is, it's I mean, I'm sticking my
tongue out. I'm licking the

754
00:48:57,120 --> 00:49:01,650
cherry. I taste it. I can taste
it. Right there. It's right.

755
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:02,640
It's right there. Thank

756
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:04,230
Dave Jones: you for that image.
Yes, yeah.

757
00:49:04,230 --> 00:49:08,130
Adam Curry: And the to be fair,
we have great tools, we have

758
00:49:08,310 --> 00:49:12,060
sovereign feeds, we have split
kit, but that's obviously

759
00:49:12,660 --> 00:49:15,900
overkill for most people who
just want to do a music based

760
00:49:15,900 --> 00:49:20,760
podcast or want to add one song
into their existing podcast.

761
00:49:20,910 --> 00:49:24,390
That's that's the low hanging
fruit. Hey, you can play this

762
00:49:24,390 --> 00:49:29,700
song and share the share the
value with the artist just by

763
00:49:29,700 --> 00:49:34,770
clicking on this button typing
in the song and hitting go add

764
00:49:34,770 --> 00:49:38,130
it to your podcast, that's
literally all that it would take

765
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:44,910
just to have that would increase
everybody's value everybody. And

766
00:49:44,940 --> 00:49:49,770
and, you know, this is very
typical. The media has grabbed

767
00:49:49,770 --> 00:49:53,130
on to what the media knows is
old school way the old fashioned

768
00:49:53,130 --> 00:49:57,570
way thinking that tipping is
working somehow. And, and

769
00:49:57,570 --> 00:50:01,050
there's going to be attention
and money flowing toward it. And

770
00:50:01,050 --> 00:50:03,690
that's what that's exactly what
the enemy does is trying to

771
00:50:03,690 --> 00:50:07,200
distract us and get us all mad
about it. But I want to pivot.

772
00:50:07,500 --> 00:50:11,820
And I want to appeal once again
to the hosting partners. And I

773
00:50:11,820 --> 00:50:15,240
will work and be in any meeting
just like we do with value for

774
00:50:15,240 --> 00:50:18,990
value and or even any, any part
of the namespace will will talk

775
00:50:18,990 --> 00:50:22,230
with your team, I will talk with
your team. So we can get this

776
00:50:22,230 --> 00:50:25,890
implemented. Because the
opportunity is enormous. The

777
00:50:25,890 --> 00:50:29,580
amount of tracks being added on
a daily basis is mind blowing.

778
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:34,050
The quality of the music is is
off the chart. It is in fact,

779
00:50:34,230 --> 00:50:37,620
every single song that I'm
playing our hits, and people are

780
00:50:37,620 --> 00:50:40,020
singing these in their head when
they wake up in the morning.

781
00:50:40,530 --> 00:50:45,600
This is this is a new uptake for
podcasting. That has not existed

782
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:50,070
you most podcasts don't have
music, turn on the radio, do you

783
00:50:50,070 --> 00:50:54,480
hear the difference? This is
what we can do. We can

784
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:59,310
completely create new industries
that anybody can benefit from if

785
00:50:59,310 --> 00:51:01,200
they just want to play in the
open system.

786
00:51:01,860 --> 00:51:04,170
Dave Jones: Yeah, so you know, I
mentioned I think I mentioned

787
00:51:04,170 --> 00:51:08,460
last week, you know, audio books
is next. Absolutely. Meat and

788
00:51:08,460 --> 00:51:13,200
medium equals medium equals
audio book you have. So look at

789
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:21,090
what's in the index, we have
hundreds of feeds, from Librivox

790
00:51:21,780 --> 00:51:27,750
and independent contributors to
opening a two that have recorded

791
00:51:27,750 --> 00:51:35,310
audio books, hundreds and
hundreds and hundreds. One good

792
00:51:35,910 --> 00:51:41,370
audio podcast based audio book
app, yeah, yeah, we'll blow the

793
00:51:41,370 --> 00:51:44,430
doors off. And then you add a
value block in it. And now

794
00:51:44,430 --> 00:51:47,790
they're not just doing it for
free now they can get some some

795
00:51:47,790 --> 00:51:53,970
value. Yeah. And it just exactly
the same as music. This, this is

796
00:51:54,390 --> 00:52:02,640
the the pod the RSS ecosystem is
so rich, and so beautifully

797
00:52:03,030 --> 00:52:08,280
constructed. And and so fully
functional as it is today. All

798
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:12,480
it takes is little tweaks to get
to blow this just blow the lid

799
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:16,350
off these things. Yeah. And it
made that that is I would

800
00:52:16,350 --> 00:52:23,700
encourage I really would, I
would encourage people to stop

801
00:52:24,210 --> 00:52:30,150
trying to please stop trying to
reinvent things and just in Look

802
00:52:30,150 --> 00:52:39,030
around you. So our RSS, RSS is
is free. It's open. It's well

803
00:52:39,030 --> 00:52:43,410
supported. It's got it's just
XML so every there's got a

804
00:52:43,410 --> 00:52:47,940
million libraries that already
work with it. It's it's simple

805
00:52:47,940 --> 00:52:55,680
to to wrap your head around. And
it there is absolutely no reason

806
00:52:56,130 --> 00:52:59,070
to ignore it as a distribution
mechanism.

807
00:52:59,100 --> 00:53:01,920
Adam Curry: I'm gonna I'm gonna
tell you this the first hosting

808
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:05,250
company because I mean right now
I'm promoting sovereign feeds

809
00:53:05,250 --> 00:53:08,610
and split kit, which is it's
just daunting. It's daunting for

810
00:53:08,610 --> 00:53:12,090
people but the early adopters
are coming in and I'm promoting

811
00:53:12,090 --> 00:53:16,890
their shows as much as possible.
But the first hosting company

812
00:53:17,130 --> 00:53:22,320
that enables this for music, I
am going to bring 1000s of new

813
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:26,790
customers to your door 1000s I
promise you the first the first

814
00:53:26,790 --> 00:53:31,080
500 will be frustrated radio DJs
because I got I've got him

815
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:33,870
sending me their shows. Here's
my show. I don't understand what

816
00:53:33,870 --> 00:53:37,560
to do. I how do I do the wallet
switching technology What do I

817
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:40,680
do? Can you do it for me? Yeah,
I'll create a feed all hosted

818
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:43,800
for you. Adam curry does not
scale but

819
00:53:49,890 --> 00:53:54,270
I will bring 1000s of new
customers to your door. And if

820
00:53:54,270 --> 00:53:58,530
you add music to it, I will
bring 10s of 1000s of new

821
00:53:58,530 --> 00:54:02,550
customers to you do I want to
hear James Cridland say this

822
00:54:02,550 --> 00:54:07,620
week? Could 50,000 new podcasts
were created with music on

823
00:54:07,620 --> 00:54:13,320
Buzzsprout now that's the kind
of stuff that we that is that is

824
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:18,330
for the taking here for the
taking nearly everything we do

825
00:54:18,330 --> 00:54:20,490
oh there's not a lot of new
podcasts being created. It's

826
00:54:20,490 --> 00:54:25,800
down Yeah. Hello. This is your
new market. The tam is endless.

827
00:54:26,100 --> 00:54:31,860
I love saying Tam. What is Tam?
total addressable market? No,

828
00:54:31,890 --> 00:54:39,540
that's a VC word. I slipped it
in on you didn't I? This is the

829
00:54:39,540 --> 00:54:41,730
opportunity. This is the
opportunity and you know what

830
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:46,530
artists they will also pay they
will pay for a good wallet for

831
00:54:46,530 --> 00:54:50,670
good for a good to see their
booster grams to you know to

832
00:54:50,670 --> 00:54:53,580
really get a good experience and
to be able to manage their music

833
00:54:53,580 --> 00:54:58,320
be able to change things,
reorder things. Put you know

834
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:02,490
have a feed that contains layer
bricks, and all of this Why are

835
00:55:02,490 --> 00:55:03,750
you laughing? Why you're after?

836
00:55:06,750 --> 00:55:08,070
Dave Jones: The trolls are

837
00:55:08,850 --> 00:55:14,310
Adam Curry: I surprised too
much. So, the API is there, it's

838
00:55:14,310 --> 00:55:17,490
all there. In fact, I'm gonna go
into you know, I use em air list

839
00:55:17,490 --> 00:55:22,410
for, for my system, which is
this German guy is closed

840
00:55:22,410 --> 00:55:25,470
source, but he has just one guy
and his whole community,

841
00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:28,920
Dave Jones: this your, your
entire okay, this is the entire

842
00:55:28,950 --> 00:55:36,810
the entire Adam curry stack is
is is a series of software by

843
00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:45,180
quote this one guy might be a
German guy. He's just the German

844
00:55:45,180 --> 00:55:45,960
the German guy.

845
00:55:46,140 --> 00:55:49,230
Adam Curry: Yes, yeah, that's
right. Yeah, and I'm just trying

846
00:55:49,230 --> 00:55:52,980
to tie all of these little one
guy outfits together to make one

847
00:55:52,980 --> 00:55:55,830
thing. And so, you know, I
realized that here, I have this

848
00:55:55,830 --> 00:56:00,570
beautiful playout system, and it
has a REST API. And I want it to

849
00:56:00,570 --> 00:56:03,990
query the index. So I can do a
search, find the song and play

850
00:56:03,990 --> 00:56:06,960
it and drag it right into my
playout system, instead of

851
00:56:07,140 --> 00:56:10,860
finding the song going to the
index, downloading the song

852
00:56:10,860 --> 00:56:14,730
naming the song, you know, then
dragging it into the playout

853
00:56:14,730 --> 00:56:19,530
system. I mean, this is the kind
of stuff that that brings magic,

854
00:56:19,590 --> 00:56:23,580
once you have their disc jockeys
using the software, once they

855
00:56:23,580 --> 00:56:28,650
see oh, I can tie in this whole
this whole category of music and

856
00:56:28,650 --> 00:56:32,400
why wouldn't this thing output
an RSS feed or, or the value

857
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:35,250
time split block all of this
stuff? I can see it in front of

858
00:56:35,250 --> 00:56:40,890
me. Anyway, this is a big so
this is a big, big, big market.

859
00:56:42,180 --> 00:56:45,990
Dave Jones: Okay, so what What
tool do you need in in in their

860
00:56:45,990 --> 00:56:46,500
list?

861
00:56:46,980 --> 00:56:49,680
Adam Curry: Forget about me. I
don't I don't want to I don't

862
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:52,920
want to complicate things. I'm
covered. Okay, I can use the

863
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:55,980
Split kid. It all works. You
know, I got to jump through

864
00:56:55,980 --> 00:56:59,400
hoops and the extra hand while
I'm doing the live show. And

865
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:02,280
that's just a touch myself,
because I'm so excited. But

866
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:02,850
really

867
00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:06,450
Dave Jones: what Jeff, who's
saying that song by the way,

868
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:10,380
Adam Curry: to vinyls, the
vinyls. When I think about you,

869
00:57:10,410 --> 00:57:15,150
I touch myself. Yeah. And we're
there and I just want one one

870
00:57:15,150 --> 00:57:22,890
hosting company to be able to
query the index for the song

871
00:57:22,890 --> 00:57:26,130
that someone played in their in
their show during the during the

872
00:57:26,130 --> 00:57:29,490
publish process. Oh, you played
a song? What was it? This is the

873
00:57:29,490 --> 00:57:34,170
song. When did you play it at
this at this time? It's not it's

874
00:57:34,170 --> 00:57:36,720
not that hard. Make it a part of
the chapters process. You could

875
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:41,760
even do that perhaps. And then
boom, pulling the remote item.

876
00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:47,400
It's all there. You're good to
go. And, and suddenly you have

877
00:57:47,610 --> 00:57:50,910
people knocking down your door
who are like, Hey, I hear from

878
00:57:50,910 --> 00:57:53,580
Adam curry that this is the
place I can do my music podcast

879
00:57:53,580 --> 00:58:00,300
show. That's it. And and then
maybe although I'm big fan of

880
00:58:00,300 --> 00:58:04,140
the of the sovereign hosting,
and I love the community, Steven

881
00:58:04,140 --> 00:58:09,330
Bella, setting up with the music
side project, I adore it. I

882
00:58:09,330 --> 00:58:12,510
really do. It's so beautiful.
And it's so tailored. I mean,

883
00:58:12,510 --> 00:58:16,590
there's your example right
there. Steven Steven takes a

884
00:58:16,590 --> 00:58:19,920
piece of that he's got his own
business going. He's smart. He's

885
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:23,190
taking a piece of the value
block was suggested even I don't

886
00:58:23,190 --> 00:58:25,200
think he's taking it. He's
saying hey, would you put us in

887
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:33,720
for 5% He's going to beat you
but it's gonna take it's gonna

888
00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:37,050
take a long time if the hosting
companies just sit around and

889
00:58:37,050 --> 00:58:41,040
don't do anything. Because it's
you know, it's complicated or

890
00:58:41,070 --> 00:58:46,680
whatever wave legs got it
covered or noster No, no,

891
00:58:46,740 --> 00:58:49,650
Dave Jones: I feel bad I brought
bitchiness to the show today.

892
00:58:49,740 --> 00:58:55,110
Adam Curry: No, no it's not
everything is good. Wave Lake is

893
00:58:55,110 --> 00:58:57,540
good. It's all good.

894
00:58:59,130 --> 00:59:02,460
Dave Jones: It's just the
Bitcoin the Bitcoin bro fast is

895
00:59:02,460 --> 00:59:08,970
not good. I'm done with that
grab the the Bitcoin. So you

896
00:59:08,970 --> 00:59:16,440
know like Pura Vida, bro economy
economy I hate that crap. I'm

897
00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:18,960
totally done with it. I'm just
I'm just so fed up with the

898
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:23,640
whole thing. Well, well nice of
them not publishing your article

899
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:28,320
and instead publishing some VC
VC back scratch article. That is

900
00:59:28,860 --> 00:59:34,410
That's very frustrating. Today

901
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:37,950
Adam Curry: Yeah, but this but
I'm, I'm it's forgiven. It's

902
00:59:37,950 --> 00:59:40,950
okay. I understand. It's
actually good. I see it as a

903
00:59:40,950 --> 00:59:44,010
good thing because it brings
attention, but I want our

904
00:59:44,010 --> 00:59:47,730
community to understand that the
opportunity is there. Let's not

905
00:59:47,730 --> 00:59:51,690
just let it slip away and then
only be harder to get back each

906
00:59:51,690 --> 00:59:56,070
time. The artists are excited.
I'm getting people send. I have

907
00:59:56,100 --> 01:00:01,350
I use pod page for carrying the
keeper for histogram ball, some

908
01:00:01,350 --> 01:00:06,630
friends of mine use it. And, and
I've never ever, ever received

909
01:00:07,350 --> 01:00:10,830
any kind of feedback from it has
an automatic like you can fill

910
01:00:10,830 --> 01:00:14,280
in a message a feedback form has
a contact form. And I didn't

911
01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:17,730
even know it worked there, but
you just fill in your email

912
01:00:17,730 --> 01:00:20,850
address, you fill out a message
and there's no subject and all

913
01:00:20,850 --> 01:00:25,230
of a sudden, I have five emails
a day through this contact form,

914
01:00:25,830 --> 01:00:30,780
saying, hey, music Yeah, hey,
can I can you play my track on

915
01:00:30,780 --> 01:00:35,370
your show? I'm like, No, but if
you go to music side

916
01:00:35,370 --> 01:00:41,400
project.com wavelength.com. And
now I'm adding RSS blue.com send

917
01:00:41,400 --> 01:00:43,470
me the link once it's uploaded,
and then I'll take it into

918
01:00:43,470 --> 01:00:48,900
consideration. Five a Day. And
he even got one mom was like,

919
01:00:48,900 --> 01:00:54,090
hey, my son. He's been working
on this for a long time. And and

920
01:00:54,090 --> 01:00:57,060
I have uploaded his music to
wave Lake, could you take it

921
01:00:57,060 --> 01:00:58,890
into consideration for your
show?

922
01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:01,680
Dave Jones: Did you? Did you
tell her go put it on noster?

923
01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:09,540
Adam Curry: No, I didn't. So
when I these are signals, these

924
01:01:09,540 --> 01:01:12,900
are big signals that I'm
getting. And I'm very excited

925
01:01:12,900 --> 01:01:20,340
about it. I just, it's what we
do here is we have to, you know,

926
01:01:20,430 --> 01:01:26,400
evangelize in this case. Like,
here's what, you know, and use

927
01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:29,310
words like wallet switching
technology, you know, instead of

928
01:01:29,670 --> 01:01:33,030
value time split. You know,
these are these are things that

929
01:01:33,060 --> 01:01:39,540
that trigger people go oh, in
fact, our long lost data yo, Roy

930
01:01:39,570 --> 01:01:45,090
from breeze had a nice chat with
him. No. And I said, Roy, let me

931
01:01:45,090 --> 01:01:47,100
tell you what's going on.
Because he's been doing stuff

932
01:01:47,100 --> 01:01:51,120
he's busy. He had no idea was
happening. And and he's I know

933
01:01:51,120 --> 01:01:54,870
what he said, I love Roy. I
said, Roy, this was happening.

934
01:01:55,470 --> 01:01:58,800
Value time split magic wall
wallet, switching technology,

935
01:01:59,220 --> 01:02:03,300
music on feeds value for value.
And he said, You know, I've been

936
01:02:03,300 --> 01:02:05,070
thinking what to do with the
breeze? Because, you know,

937
01:02:05,070 --> 01:02:07,470
they're they're really going
towards a lightning service

938
01:02:07,470 --> 01:02:11,040
provider model. And, you know,
that's for him to explain what

939
01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:12,960
he's doing. And maybe we should
have him on the show. Or we

940
01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:18,360
will. He said, Adam, what you're
talking about here? I'm going to

941
01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:22,860
do it, because you were right
about podcasting. And I was very

942
01:02:22,860 --> 01:02:26,130
on the fence about it. But you
were so convincing. So that's

943
01:02:26,130 --> 01:02:28,830
why he put podcasting in the
breeze and breeze still is still

944
01:02:28,830 --> 01:02:33,360
used for for podcasts for value
for value podcast. He said I'm

945
01:02:33,360 --> 01:02:36,120
gonna do it. And I said, you
know, boy, why don't you blow it

946
01:02:36,120 --> 01:02:39,990
out? You know, why don't you
really make it like, like what

947
01:02:40,020 --> 01:02:43,080
fountains doing? Found doing
some interesting stuff with

948
01:02:43,080 --> 01:02:46,140
their new music tab. You hear is

949
01:02:46,140 --> 01:02:48,150
Dave Jones: when Roy when Roy
says he's gonna do so

950
01:02:48,150 --> 01:02:50,880
Adam Curry: he does it? Oh, he
does it. Yeah. And, you know,

951
01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:54,450
it's like the the fountain music
tab is is phenomenal. I mean, I

952
01:02:54,450 --> 01:02:58,830
have a lot of feedback on it.
But, you know, technically, you

953
01:02:58,830 --> 01:03:03,120
now have subscribe to an artist
feed. In fact, now I can add

954
01:03:03,120 --> 01:03:07,110
songs to my music library. I can
create playlists from it. But

955
01:03:07,110 --> 01:03:10,200
also when something new shows up
from an artist, it's going to

956
01:03:10,200 --> 01:03:12,930
show up in my music tab under
that artists just like a cool

957
01:03:12,930 --> 01:03:17,310
just like a podcast. Now it's
exciting. A couple

958
01:03:17,310 --> 01:03:20,040
Dave Jones: of things that we
need though, this. So let's talk

959
01:03:20,040 --> 01:03:21,060
about needs here.

960
01:03:23,070 --> 01:03:24,690
Adam Curry: I need a good
spanking is what I need.

961
01:03:27,600 --> 01:03:35,070
Dave Jones: Now you're baiting I
so sorry. So we need lyric, we

962
01:03:35,070 --> 01:03:41,760
need lyrics, um, in the form of
transcripts. So in a music

963
01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:48,840
medium podcast, the transcript
becomes lyrics. And we need more

964
01:03:48,840 --> 01:03:55,950
of that that is so and so that's
one thing. There's I don't see I

965
01:03:55,950 --> 01:03:58,170
don't think I see any of that
out there yet.

966
01:03:58,200 --> 01:04:00,630
Adam Curry: What's fun and
funny. If you look at booster

967
01:04:00,630 --> 01:04:03,210
grand ball, and you're looking
at and you look at the

968
01:04:03,210 --> 01:04:06,660
transcript while the show was
playing, my transcript is

969
01:04:06,660 --> 01:04:12,060
actually transcribing the song
lyrics as it goes along.

970
01:04:12,900 --> 01:04:16,560
Although I would think it would
actually as a remote item, he

971
01:04:16,560 --> 01:04:19,440
would bring that information in
I have a feeling that remote

972
01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:23,460
items are just bringing in value
blocks title a closure I don't

973
01:04:23,460 --> 01:04:27,360
think they're bringing in the
full Monty and there's

974
01:04:27,780 --> 01:04:29,910
discussions to be had there of
course, because you know, you

975
01:04:29,910 --> 01:04:32,370
don't want to bring in chapters
if you have chapters.

976
01:04:33,570 --> 01:04:37,020
Dave Jones: If you had lyric if
you had the JSON you know word

977
01:04:37,020 --> 01:04:42,510
by word. granular level
timestamping format of

978
01:04:42,510 --> 01:04:45,690
transcript Yeah, then I mean
yeah, that's that's like full on

979
01:04:45,690 --> 01:04:50,010
bouncing ball. Yep. Yeah,
karaoke. So karaoke style. Yeah,

980
01:04:50,040 --> 01:04:53,460
you can get you can go all the
way with that thing. We need

981
01:04:53,460 --> 01:05:00,510
that we also need the liner
notes. Yeah, just RIP in the

982
01:05:00,510 --> 01:05:01,950
description music side

983
01:05:01,950 --> 01:05:05,070
Adam Curry: project is all over
this, by the way, Steven Bell

984
01:05:05,070 --> 01:05:10,290
has all that. And if I can just
say, Ellen beats is my favorite

985
01:05:10,290 --> 01:05:15,510
app. Ellen beats.com has
everything. It has music shows

986
01:05:15,510 --> 01:05:19,560
that I can listen to. It has
recommended music that is new.

987
01:05:19,740 --> 01:05:23,580
It has the top 100 It has a
search function. The only thing

988
01:05:23,580 --> 01:05:27,660
as a as a small side note is
when I'm on the recommended tab,

989
01:05:27,690 --> 01:05:30,240
or I'm on the Search tab and I
click something I listen, I go

990
01:05:30,240 --> 01:05:32,520
back, it scrolls all the way to
the top, it doesn't remember

991
01:05:32,520 --> 01:05:37,500
where I was. Other than that, an
outstanding music app. I've

992
01:05:37,500 --> 01:05:42,930
created playlists. I you know, I
I've never I don't listen, I've

993
01:05:42,930 --> 01:05:47,400
never even listened to music for
the past 20 years. And now I'm

994
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:49,980
creating playlists. That's why I
want to export this playlist,

995
01:05:49,980 --> 01:05:52,650
you know, like I click this and
it's in and I want to see who's

996
01:05:52,650 --> 01:05:55,350
listening to my playlist. I
mean, I'm my mind's exploding.

997
01:05:56,730 --> 01:05:59,370
Dave Jones: Yeah, we're, we're
working on trying to figure out

998
01:05:59,370 --> 01:06:02,340
how those playlists can contain
a little bit of metadata, but

999
01:06:02,340 --> 01:06:07,500
not so because what you get in a
playlist currently for the for

1000
01:06:07,500 --> 01:06:12,120
the music l medium, oh, what you
get is just a list just a list

1001
01:06:12,120 --> 01:06:15,990
of remote items with with good
references. You don't get like,

1002
01:06:16,290 --> 01:06:20,040
you know, title author. All
right, right. Right. Right. You

1003
01:06:20,040 --> 01:06:23,370
don't get all that which, which
is, so it's doing its job

1004
01:06:23,370 --> 01:06:26,250
properly. But you know, then
Steven bass said yesterday, you

1005
01:06:26,250 --> 01:06:29,760
know, this, I'm gonna have this
in the, if a playlist has 100

1006
01:06:29,760 --> 01:06:32,670
songs on it, I'm gonna have to
make 100 I'm gonna have to do

1007
01:06:32,670 --> 01:06:34,620
100 resolving resolvers.

1008
01:06:34,830 --> 01:06:36,900
Adam Curry: Right, this is a
technical issue that you you've

1009
01:06:36,900 --> 01:06:38,850
been thinking about. Yeah, and
so

1010
01:06:38,880 --> 01:06:44,970
Dave Jones: they, you know, the
original idea was, these are,

1011
01:06:45,540 --> 01:06:47,730
it's like DNS, or if I mean,
you're gonna, you're gonna

1012
01:06:47,730 --> 01:06:51,840
resolve this GUID, find the feed
URL, and all the metadata that

1013
01:06:51,840 --> 01:06:57,450
goes with it, because the GUID
can change. So really, I mean,

1014
01:06:57,450 --> 01:07:02,160
technically speaking, it is
doing its job as you know, but

1015
01:07:02,160 --> 01:07:06,330
then Alex said well, why don't
we we could put some metadata in

1016
01:07:06,330 --> 01:07:09,930
there and then put expand the
remote on tag with like a TTL.

1017
01:07:10,800 --> 01:07:14,670
So after a certain amount of
time, right right, it's time to

1018
01:07:14,670 --> 01:07:18,090
limiter that it's out of date.
Yeah, like maybe go look it up

1019
01:07:18,090 --> 01:07:19,410
again and go check this

1020
01:07:20,610 --> 01:07:24,300
Adam Curry: idea Yeah, I all my
TTL is 10 minutes.

1021
01:07:26,280 --> 01:07:28,980
Dave Jones: DNS Yeah, you're
tight you run tight ship over

1022
01:07:28,980 --> 01:07:29,190
there.

1023
01:07:30,690 --> 01:07:32,640
Adam Curry: So I hate it
whenever I go in like I'm going

1024
01:07:32,640 --> 01:07:36,120
to add something to my like a
CNAME or something and then set

1025
01:07:36,120 --> 01:07:38,370
to an hour and if I screw it up
and only have to wait a whole

1026
01:07:38,370 --> 01:07:41,460
hour or so like No, no, no, no
one minute one minute tight baby

1027
01:07:41,460 --> 01:07:41,910
tight.

1028
01:07:42,510 --> 01:07:44,790
Dave Jones: Back in the old
days, man the details on DNS

1029
01:07:44,790 --> 01:07:47,550
records were like, you know,
minimum like eight hours

1030
01:07:47,550 --> 01:07:48,570
sometimes you know, yeah.

1031
01:07:49,290 --> 01:07:51,990
Adam Curry: And then you had to
call the client and say the DNS

1032
01:07:51,990 --> 01:07:52,860
is propagating,

1033
01:07:53,400 --> 01:07:58,890
Dave Jones: propagating in every
sysadmin Evers like, Oh, you

1034
01:07:58,890 --> 01:08:00,660
just got to wait for it to
propagate it could take a couple

1035
01:08:00,660 --> 01:08:03,030
of days and you have no idea you
just believes bullshit and the

1036
01:08:03,030 --> 01:08:10,230
whole thing, but that the other
thing is is the Ainsley Costello

1037
01:08:10,230 --> 01:08:12,900
interview that Sam did on the
pod news show

1038
01:08:14,250 --> 01:08:16,500
Adam Curry: See, this was a
perfect opportunity for wallet

1039
01:08:16,500 --> 01:08:22,740
switching there you know it's
like interviews Oh, my god man.

1040
01:08:22,950 --> 01:08:26,970
The interview shows I can't wait
for interview shows.

1041
01:08:27,779 --> 01:08:31,619
Dave Jones: Well the let me we
since we're we're already doing

1042
01:08:31,619 --> 01:08:35,099
it when we have guests on this
show we give them a split right

1043
01:08:35,099 --> 01:08:36,599
but I'm not a value time split

1044
01:08:36,900 --> 01:08:39,600
Adam Curry: split right but I'm
talking about the value time

1045
01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:42,810
split for instance Sure, sure.
As we are about to demonstrate

1046
01:08:42,810 --> 01:08:48,060
because I thought felt it was
way overdue for the pod sage to

1047
01:08:48,060 --> 01:08:52,500
select a song to play on the
podcasting 2.0 show better known

1048
01:08:52,500 --> 01:08:56,160
as the boardroom in that and now
we're you were already

1049
01:08:56,160 --> 01:08:58,890
anticipating this question or I
was

1050
01:08:58,919 --> 01:09:01,229
Dave Jones: I had one locked in
I was I was ready to get one in

1051
01:09:01,229 --> 01:09:01,769
the chamber

1052
01:09:02,430 --> 01:09:04,200
Adam Curry: but you want to tell
us what we're going to listen to

1053
01:09:04,200 --> 01:09:04,530
here

1054
01:09:05,670 --> 01:09:11,700
Dave Jones: we're gonna listen
to heaven knows by somebody be

1055
01:09:11,700 --> 01:09:12,390
arrived have

1056
01:09:12,390 --> 01:09:18,270
Adam Curry: a ride day right so
here's what Dave said he said

1057
01:09:18,330 --> 01:09:22,980
Why yes, I do have a song ready.
It's a little heavy though.

1058
01:09:24,660 --> 01:09:28,680
Really. Baby Musa?

1059
01:09:41,160 --> 01:09:46,680
Unknown: way we saw create

1060
01:10:00,000 --> 01:11:06,240
You? Right

1061
01:11:26,220 --> 01:11:26,700
break

1062
01:11:31,980 --> 01:11:32,820
carried out

1063
01:12:13,110 --> 01:12:19,260
Adam Curry: Yeah, that's what we
call a hard out right there I

1064
01:12:19,260 --> 01:12:20,280
want to point out mess

1065
01:12:20,280 --> 01:12:23,130
Dave Jones: me up is the band.
The band is called it.

1066
01:12:23,520 --> 01:12:29,310
Adam Curry: Eero hero? Yeah, um,
yeah, I want to point out that

1067
01:12:29,700 --> 01:12:33,240
the awesome work that is
happening here. So the minute I

1068
01:12:33,240 --> 01:12:38,640
played the song minute I hit
start, I hit the activate button

1069
01:12:38,670 --> 01:12:43,230
in my playlist on the split kit,
which means the wallet switches

1070
01:12:43,230 --> 01:12:48,090
in real time and it also makes a
little mark for me. So when I go

1071
01:12:48,090 --> 01:12:50,910
back, I can import that into
sovereign feeds for the for the

1072
01:12:50,910 --> 01:12:55,350
feed. This there's a something
called the Split kit relay,

1073
01:12:55,590 --> 01:13:00,210
which immediately spit out the
title of the song, a link to

1074
01:13:00,450 --> 01:13:05,670
where it lives in a link to the
live the live split kit

1075
01:13:06,570 --> 01:13:11,070
interface so you can listen to
the show live. I mean, that's,

1076
01:13:11,220 --> 01:13:16,890
that's, that's an IRC bot or
whatever. That is bad ass.

1077
01:13:17,760 --> 01:13:23,310
Dave Jones: So okay, what, let's
do an analysis here what what's

1078
01:13:23,310 --> 01:13:27,480
left what is yet to be built and
not? Not on the hosting company

1079
01:13:27,480 --> 01:13:31,650
side? Clearly they have work to
do. What is what's left to be

1080
01:13:31,650 --> 01:13:37,440
built? Specifically for me? And
what what do I need to do with

1081
01:13:37,470 --> 01:13:40,470
the chart? Or with anything
else?

1082
01:13:41,010 --> 01:13:47,520
Adam Curry: Okay. It goes hand
in hand. My my wish list is the

1083
01:13:47,520 --> 01:13:51,030
chart is booster grams and what
podcast this was played on.

1084
01:13:51,390 --> 01:13:54,900
Because that will that will only
make more people want to make

1085
01:13:54,900 --> 01:13:57,840
music podcasts. And when you
have more music, podcasts,

1086
01:13:57,960 --> 01:14:02,820
there's more places your music
can get played. That That to me

1087
01:14:02,820 --> 01:14:07,590
is discovery. That to me is
growing. Growing a market

1088
01:14:07,620 --> 01:14:10,980
growing an industry growing a
market is really what it you

1089
01:14:10,980 --> 01:14:15,000
know, it's a it's an open, it's
an open space where everybody is

1090
01:14:15,210 --> 01:14:19,410
sharing songs while sharing
value because my biggest fear is

1091
01:14:19,410 --> 01:14:24,420
to get people playing songs on
podcasts and and there'll be no

1092
01:14:24,450 --> 01:14:27,570
wallet switching and it's just
going to be disappointment.

1093
01:14:27,840 --> 01:14:30,870
That's my biggest fear. Really
not too worried. I mean, hey,

1094
01:14:30,870 --> 01:14:35,010
you know what, God bless him I
hope noster and zaps adds a lot

1095
01:14:35,010 --> 01:14:38,910
of value. I really do. I hope a
lot and I think there's a place

1096
01:14:38,910 --> 01:14:42,990
for not for noster the social
network but I think there's a

1097
01:14:42,990 --> 01:14:49,170
real place for for noster based
identity that can be you know,

1098
01:14:49,170 --> 01:14:52,650
you can own your own audience
and your own noster chat room.

1099
01:14:52,650 --> 01:14:56,250
There's all kinds of stuff that
I can see but that's not what we

1100
01:14:56,250 --> 01:15:00,540
do. We do RSS stuff. So I want
to focus on what we do. And

1101
01:15:02,610 --> 01:15:08,160
Dave Jones: I hope the overall
noster ecosystem gives a lot of

1102
01:15:08,160 --> 01:15:11,340
value to music I hope this
specific people with within the

1103
01:15:11,340 --> 01:15:14,910
nostril ecosystem that hate and
denigrate RSS I hope they get

1104
01:15:14,910 --> 01:15:15,480
gonorrhea

1105
01:15:17,910 --> 01:15:19,860
Adam Curry: No I'm just not
going to go along with that day

1106
01:15:21,690 --> 01:15:23,250
Dave Jones: that it's
unnecessary

1107
01:15:25,260 --> 01:15:27,330
Adam Curry: you really don't
mean that you really don't You

1108
01:15:27,330 --> 01:15:29,670
don't mean that I know I don't
mean that you don't mean that

1109
01:15:30,150 --> 01:15:32,280
Dave Jones: I just don't I just
don't like the idea that in

1110
01:15:32,280 --> 01:15:36,060
order for for for the in order
for my stuff to win your you

1111
01:15:36,060 --> 01:15:39,630
have to lose that mentality. I
hate that.

1112
01:15:39,660 --> 01:15:41,640
Adam Curry: I haven't seen that
that much lately. So it's still

1113
01:15:41,640 --> 01:15:42,150
out there.

1114
01:15:42,780 --> 01:15:46,020
Dave Jones: We read we read that
thing from Theo Jeff last week.

1115
01:15:47,190 --> 01:15:49,950
I don't remember on the show
that booster group is somebody

1116
01:15:49,950 --> 01:15:52,860
linked to it in the booster gram
and it was just this tirade

1117
01:15:52,860 --> 01:15:59,790
about RSS and how stupid it was
podcasting that that? I think I

1118
01:15:59,790 --> 01:16:00,840
can't get that out of my head.

1119
01:16:00,870 --> 01:16:06,810
Adam Curry: No, I think it's
just nah. Okay, come close. All

1120
01:16:06,810 --> 01:16:08,850
right, turn up your headphones
Dave. I'm going to read you have

1121
01:16:08,850 --> 01:16:14,550
this evil demon be gone be gone
and Austin demon be gone. You

1122
01:16:14,550 --> 01:16:17,400
don't have to worry about that's
just people who are ignorant and

1123
01:16:17,400 --> 01:16:19,800
don't understand. They don't
know what we're doing. And you

1124
01:16:19,800 --> 01:16:22,380
know that they're just as
frustrated as everybody else.

1125
01:16:22,380 --> 01:16:25,590
But they they have had their eye
on a different solution and

1126
01:16:25,590 --> 01:16:28,230
haven't seen what we're doing.
That's all that is. It's just

1127
01:16:28,260 --> 01:16:33,360
it's ignorance. It's okay. Now,
the beauty is every single

1128
01:16:33,360 --> 01:16:36,900
Nastar person I'm with sam se
doing is actually beautiful.

1129
01:16:36,900 --> 01:16:40,440
He's enabling so that you can
send a zap through pod fans. And

1130
01:16:40,440 --> 01:16:43,770
then it turns into a boost. And
it splits up and everything. I

1131
01:16:43,770 --> 01:16:45,060
mean, you know, it's a bridge,

1132
01:16:45,629 --> 01:16:48,929
Dave Jones: but just protective
of the people, we got to get a

1133
01:16:48,929 --> 01:16:51,989
group of people who have done
who have worked their butts off

1134
01:16:51,989 --> 01:16:56,879
for three years to create to
create a system that is pumping

1135
01:16:56,879 --> 01:17:02,819
value into the Lightning
Network. That they are the RSS

1136
01:17:02,849 --> 01:17:08,369
the stuff podcasting 2.0 in the
podcast ecosystem, is pushing

1137
01:17:09,029 --> 01:17:14,189
lightning payments in a way that
no other single thing is at all.

1138
01:17:14,789 --> 01:17:20,189
There was a time there was there
was a point in time, where I

1139
01:17:20,189 --> 01:17:24,539
would say more than 50% of the
Lightning Network traffic was

1140
01:17:24,569 --> 01:17:25,289
us.

1141
01:17:25,890 --> 01:17:27,660
Adam Curry: You know what's so
funny about that? And you look

1142
01:17:27,660 --> 01:17:31,320
at did someone put that on
podcast index dot social,

1143
01:17:32,130 --> 01:17:36,000
Bitcoin, the Bitcoin Conference?
And they said, look at all these

1144
01:17:36,000 --> 01:17:38,520
great companies that are doing
stuff with lightning and we're

1145
01:17:38,520 --> 01:17:41,190
not on it. No, it was like

1146
01:17:41,190 --> 01:17:44,010
Dave Jones: literally more than
50% of the Lightning Network

1147
01:17:44,010 --> 01:17:48,990
transaction volume was they just
they act like we don't even

1148
01:17:48,990 --> 01:17:49,470
exist.

1149
01:17:49,980 --> 01:17:52,110
Adam Curry: They don't know.
They don't they don't know

1150
01:17:52,110 --> 01:17:56,280
writing. Nah, don't Don't let it
bother you, brother. Really?

1151
01:17:56,400 --> 01:17:59,760
Because we're building from the
inside out. We're like, we're

1152
01:17:59,760 --> 01:18:06,330
like this alien this growing in
their stomach is gonna open up.

1153
01:18:07,440 --> 01:18:10,860
Yeah, but that's it. You know,
it took podcasting itself. It

1154
01:18:10,860 --> 01:18:17,970
took a good wow, what did it
take? 10 years, almost, almost,

1155
01:18:18,120 --> 01:18:22,380
maybe 12 years before it really
blew mainstream, you know, and

1156
01:18:22,380 --> 01:18:26,310
blue onto the mainstream with
Yeah, it was some flukes. It's

1157
01:18:26,310 --> 01:18:28,890
just, it's what it is. It
doesn't matter because the Vout

1158
01:18:29,040 --> 01:18:33,720
that's like DeVore I can I were
talking about no agenda. No, as

1159
01:18:33,720 --> 01:18:39,000
you do, as we do, we have reach.
Or we got really, we not just

1160
01:18:39,000 --> 01:18:42,270
have reached, like, almost a
million people, but we have

1161
01:18:42,300 --> 01:18:46,980
quality people. And we do value
for value. But what we don't do

1162
01:18:47,190 --> 01:18:50,760
is video. And because we don't
do video, because let's be

1163
01:18:50,760 --> 01:18:54,780
honest, who wants to see two old
dudes? As with headphones on,

1164
01:18:54,780 --> 01:18:56,880
you know, one of them's
teresting half the time. It's

1165
01:18:56,880 --> 01:18:59,370
like no one wants to see that
crap no more, but maybe they do.

1166
01:18:59,370 --> 01:19:03,780
I don't know. But because of it.
It doesn't matter what podcasts

1167
01:19:03,780 --> 01:19:08,880
are mentioned in the news,
politics, comedy deconstruction

1168
01:19:08,880 --> 01:19:13,350
space, if I can call that we're
never ever mentioned. Never.

1169
01:19:14,340 --> 01:19:18,660
Never. And we won't be because
we've just built our own little

1170
01:19:18,660 --> 01:19:23,340
thing. And, and, and it's
beautiful. And we both have nice

1171
01:19:23,340 --> 01:19:30,270
lives and we love our our
producers. And and I'm not maybe

1172
01:19:30,270 --> 01:19:33,360
I used to be many, many years
ago, frustrated that we weren't,

1173
01:19:33,360 --> 01:19:36,780
you know, being talked about or
you know, one on the front of

1174
01:19:36,780 --> 01:19:41,580
iTunes, but then I look around
us and I have this, this there's

1175
01:19:41,760 --> 01:19:45,810
hundreds of 1000s of people who
I've never met, who I now know

1176
01:19:46,170 --> 01:19:49,380
there's 100,000 more that I
don't know of who are listening

1177
01:19:49,380 --> 01:19:54,090
who are out there is you know,
what is what is the incessant

1178
01:19:54,090 --> 01:19:59,970
needs to be writing some wave?
No, it just builds expectation.

1179
01:20:00,420 --> 01:20:05,850
And, and pressure. Whereas now,
I do my show twice a week. I

1180
01:20:05,850 --> 01:20:10,620
love it. I love my work. I don't
feel like it's work. I get

1181
01:20:10,620 --> 01:20:14,520
rewarded for what I do by people
who truly appreciate it. That's

1182
01:20:14,520 --> 01:20:17,940
it. That's life. That's life,
man. That's what you want.

1183
01:20:18,480 --> 01:20:21,720
Dave Jones: You've taught youth.
This has been like therapy

1184
01:20:21,720 --> 01:20:24,630
today. You've talked to me,
though. You've, you've talked me

1185
01:20:24,630 --> 01:20:28,740
down. You're right. I'm glad I
no longer I no longer wish for

1186
01:20:28,740 --> 01:20:32,520
gonorrhea on anybody. No, no,
don't. I wish

1187
01:20:32,550 --> 01:20:35,760
Adam Curry: maybe jbsa on their
nose but not gonorrhea. You

1188
01:20:35,760 --> 01:20:36,600
know, just like a beat

1189
01:20:39,120 --> 01:20:44,130
Dave Jones: on various places,
but not no longer wish horrible

1190
01:20:44,130 --> 01:20:47,610
diseases on these people. And I
hope the Jeff has a nice dinner

1191
01:20:47,970 --> 01:20:49,020
as a significant other.

1192
01:20:49,290 --> 01:20:53,850
Adam Curry: But that that is
that is the switch I made and

1193
01:20:53,940 --> 01:20:57,930
and it's it's just as weird as
asking people to donate or

1194
01:20:57,930 --> 01:21:00,840
support what you're doing it
especially coming from

1195
01:21:00,840 --> 01:21:04,410
mainstream. It's, it's
completely the antithesis. But

1196
01:21:04,410 --> 01:21:08,280
I'll tell you what, I'd rather
be asking people to support what

1197
01:21:08,280 --> 01:21:11,550
I'm doing in any manner, because
they love what they're hearing,

1198
01:21:11,730 --> 01:21:16,470
then have to do an ad for legacy
box. And I said like, No, it's

1199
01:21:16,470 --> 01:21:19,560
100 or have to worry or have to
do a meeting that was really,

1200
01:21:19,830 --> 01:21:22,500
that's really our main thing is
we hate doing meeting and I want

1201
01:21:22,560 --> 01:21:26,070
to meet with a client and the
clients gonna be like, well, you

1202
01:21:26,070 --> 01:21:28,500
know, I didn't like to use
gonorrhea. So you know, we're

1203
01:21:28,500 --> 01:21:31,350
really, we're gonna pull our ads
back for a couple of weeks until

1204
01:21:31,350 --> 01:21:31,830
you calm

1205
01:21:31,830 --> 01:21:34,110
Dave Jones: down. That's not
brand safe. That's no no,

1206
01:21:34,140 --> 01:21:37,050
Adam Curry: I don't I don't want
AI scanning my transcripts to

1207
01:21:37,050 --> 01:21:41,070
see if I'm brand safe. None of
that stuff I don't want I don't

1208
01:21:41,070 --> 01:21:42,180
want Yes.

1209
01:21:42,870 --> 01:21:45,480
Dave Jones: The only salvation
of that is you most people can't

1210
01:21:45,480 --> 01:21:47,820
spell Gunga Rhea gonna be in?

1211
01:21:48,180 --> 01:21:51,810
Adam Curry: We'll see how the
transcript does. Does, you know

1212
01:21:51,810 --> 01:21:55,140
obviously it's like, you know, I
don't want to have to be given

1213
01:21:55,140 --> 01:22:03,030
30% to Apple or or, you know,
10 15% the Patreon or even to

1214
01:22:03,030 --> 01:22:07,680
pay pal really, you know, I want
I want Stephen bell to make a

1215
01:22:07,680 --> 01:22:13,680
piece I want to Todd Cochran to
make a piece I want. I want you

1216
01:22:13,680 --> 01:22:18,330
know, I want to the day right?
You know, IRA to me, I want

1217
01:22:18,330 --> 01:22:22,290
everyone to everyone wins in our
system. Everybody wins.

1218
01:22:22,290 --> 01:22:26,400
Everybody wins. There's no
losers in 2.0 There's only

1219
01:22:26,400 --> 01:22:30,300
winners in value for value.
Everybody. Everybody can tell a

1220
01:22:30,300 --> 01:22:35,760
secret. Yes. Yes. That's that
it's it's Dare I say it's godly.

1221
01:22:35,760 --> 01:22:39,600
It is. It is absolutely
beautiful is how human beings

1222
01:22:39,600 --> 01:22:43,350
were built and engineered to
function together. It really is.

1223
01:22:43,410 --> 01:22:44,070
I really

1224
01:22:44,099 --> 01:22:47,909
Dave Jones: I needed this. I
needed this because Sam's

1225
01:22:47,909 --> 01:22:51,479
building great stuff. Yes. It's
building great stuff. Eric p p

1226
01:22:51,509 --> 01:22:52,979
is doing the Lord's work

1227
01:22:53,010 --> 01:22:57,720
Adam Curry: on on health. Up to
date. Yes, he is. Yes, he is.

1228
01:22:57,750 --> 01:23:01,350
Dave Jones: He is He has put in
a GitHub action just today, they

1229
01:23:01,350 --> 01:23:05,820
will automatically push to
Docker build the image, cross

1230
01:23:06,180 --> 01:23:10,440
platform, build the cross
platform image of arm 64 and AMD

1231
01:23:10,440 --> 01:23:16,380
64. And post the image to Docker
Hub beautifully can be easily

1232
01:23:16,380 --> 01:23:24,420
more easily update, push updates
to Umbral and start in I don't

1233
01:23:24,420 --> 01:23:26,940
know a start nine uses Docker
Hub. I'm assuming it does. I

1234
01:23:26,940 --> 01:23:29,130
Adam Curry: have no idea how it
works. I don't know. I do.

1235
01:23:29,640 --> 01:23:34,410
Dave Jones: Yeah, I mean, like
this. There's, I mean, stuffs

1236
01:23:34,410 --> 01:23:37,530
getting built. I mean, I mean
yeah, I mean, look, look at look

1237
01:23:37,530 --> 01:23:38,490
at happy, I'm happy.

1238
01:23:38,520 --> 01:23:42,570
Adam Curry: Look at look at
these bots in the IRC chat. I

1239
01:23:42,570 --> 01:23:48,090
mean, all of this stuff. It just
builds and IPFS all this stuff

1240
01:23:48,090 --> 01:23:51,270
that's being this is our
ecosystem. And we're at we're a

1241
01:23:51,270 --> 01:23:57,120
snow slow roll and snowball just
going down and I hope to bring

1242
01:23:57,120 --> 01:24:01,620
some established people along
with us. Now that's it. But what

1243
01:24:01,620 --> 01:24:04,170
we're seeing now there's another
snowball coming and it's

1244
01:24:04,170 --> 01:24:06,930
musicians. And they've been
waiting for something they've

1245
01:24:06,930 --> 01:24:12,930
been they have been the literal
but of the industry. They have

1246
01:24:12,930 --> 01:24:19,560
been completely ripped off
jerked around lied to. I mean,

1247
01:24:19,560 --> 01:24:23,460
come on. How many streams that I
have? Are you kidding me?

1248
01:24:24,870 --> 01:24:27,570
Dave Jones: That's like how many
hits did my website gets exactly

1249
01:24:27,600 --> 01:24:28,290
Adam Curry: exactly.

1250
01:24:29,310 --> 01:24:30,150
Dave Jones: When coerce

1251
01:24:30,150 --> 01:24:33,180
Adam Curry: it to get they've
been coerced into scamming and

1252
01:24:33,180 --> 01:24:39,660
cheating and using all these
shady services and, and it's not

1253
01:24:39,660 --> 01:24:43,530
about it's so bad that they
don't care about money. They're

1254
01:24:43,530 --> 01:24:47,400
used to not getting money. Now
there's value I've always said

1255
01:24:47,850 --> 01:24:52,110
Sats are bigger than stats. You
know when you when you just look

1256
01:24:52,110 --> 01:24:55,530
at your your lb wallet or
whatever it is you're using and

1257
01:24:55,530 --> 01:24:59,190
use a blip blip blip you just
see a couple SATs coming in

1258
01:24:59,190 --> 01:25:02,430
boom. There's a thought I was an
amen someone sent me a boost. It

1259
01:25:02,430 --> 01:25:07,140
makes you feel good. It makes
you feel whole makes you feel

1260
01:25:07,140 --> 01:25:11,580
like a human and a human on the
other end, not some, you know,

1261
01:25:11,580 --> 01:25:16,080
stream click farm somewhere but
someone who actually is I wake

1262
01:25:16,080 --> 01:25:19,290
up in the morning, because a lot
of things I do first, but then I

1263
01:25:19,290 --> 01:25:23,700
will open up the podcasting,
podcast index wallet. And I'll

1264
01:25:23,700 --> 01:25:27,660
just look and say, Oh, wow, this
very moment, because I see one

1265
01:25:27,660 --> 01:25:32,430
set one set one set, I see oh,
there's 25 people listening to a

1266
01:25:32,430 --> 01:25:37,740
podcast or a song right now. And
they are rewarding that person

1267
01:25:37,740 --> 01:25:43,500
or that crew with value, and
then rewarding us for

1268
01:25:43,620 --> 01:25:46,560
facilitating it. It feels good.

1269
01:25:48,270 --> 01:25:57,360
Dave Jones: Yeah. So one other
thing is, did you see the the

1270
01:25:57,360 --> 01:26:02,190
proposal that that I posted
about pinning an item? Yes, I

1271
01:26:02,190 --> 01:26:02,880
did you see this?

1272
01:26:02,910 --> 01:26:04,140
Adam Curry: I did? I did. I did

1273
01:26:04,140 --> 01:26:07,170
Dave Jones: see it. Yeah. Okay.
So this, this originated with a

1274
01:26:07,170 --> 01:26:12,300
discussion on buzz cast by Kevin
in them about this feature and

1275
01:26:12,300 --> 01:26:16,200
Spotify, where they get rid of
these pinned items. So you can

1276
01:26:16,200 --> 01:26:20,760
like pin an episode to the top
of the list. So when a new

1277
01:26:20,760 --> 01:26:26,250
subscriber subscribes to your
podcast. Now, this episode is

1278
01:26:26,250 --> 01:26:29,430
sort of up top because you
consider this like the the entry

1279
01:26:29,430 --> 01:26:32,520
point this is this. This is the
one episode where you're like,

1280
01:26:32,550 --> 01:26:35,370
it is sort of like 100.5 or
whatever that episode. Y'all

1281
01:26:35,370 --> 01:26:37,110
used to have no agenda where
you're like, Yeah,

1282
01:26:38,160 --> 01:26:40,410
Adam Curry: this is the
explainer the explainer. Yes,

1283
01:26:40,410 --> 01:26:40,800
exactly.

1284
01:26:40,889 --> 01:26:45,959
Dave Jones: Yeah, like this is
the best place to start. So the

1285
01:26:46,049 --> 01:26:49,469
for episode for episodic for not
things that aren't like season

1286
01:26:49,469 --> 01:26:54,509
based. So the they were like,
well, this is like easy to do in

1287
01:26:54,509 --> 01:27:00,149
the open in namespace. So, you
know, we did it as proposed it.

1288
01:27:00,899 --> 01:27:07,349
This would work very well in
music is also fellow interview

1289
01:27:07,739 --> 01:27:12,509
with Sam, she mentioned that a
lot of the music injury, they're

1290
01:27:12,509 --> 01:27:16,649
going away from albums and just
going to singles basically just

1291
01:27:16,649 --> 01:27:17,999
dropping, dropping tracks.

1292
01:27:18,389 --> 01:27:20,549
Adam Curry: So you can say this
is the hot one I want. This is

1293
01:27:20,549 --> 01:27:22,649
the drop I want you to pay
attention to.

1294
01:27:23,160 --> 01:27:25,350
Dave Jones: Yeah, this is the
one I want to pin right now.

1295
01:27:25,950 --> 01:27:32,970
Because when you subscribe to me
or my feed or of of tracks or

1296
01:27:32,970 --> 01:27:36,090
whatever this is, this is the
one that I want to be at the

1297
01:27:36,090 --> 01:27:40,200
top. Like it could for a while
it could be, you know, cherry on

1298
01:27:40,200 --> 01:27:43,650
top, and then maybe as daydream
or whatever Ainsley wants to be

1299
01:27:43,650 --> 01:27:49,320
sort of the intro track that she
thinks best represents her music

1300
01:27:49,320 --> 01:27:53,490
right now. So I think I think
it's a good, I think it fits

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01:27:53,490 --> 01:28:00,240
well in both the podcast, spoken
word, traditional podcast,

1302
01:28:00,540 --> 01:28:04,620
medium, and also the music
medium. And you could have, you

1303
01:28:04,620 --> 01:28:07,110
could have the same thing like
you can imagine audiobooks you

1304
01:28:07,110 --> 01:28:10,020
could have, and I'm trying to
get my mind to start thinking

1305
01:28:10,020 --> 01:28:14,580
this way. Whenever there's a new
feature. I'm trying to force

1306
01:28:14,610 --> 01:28:19,350
myself to think, Okay, how would
this feature look in other

1307
01:28:19,350 --> 01:28:23,010
mediums? Like just think, Okay,
here's a feature, it works well

1308
01:28:23,010 --> 01:28:28,440
for podcasting, spoken word
podcasting. What would would

1309
01:28:28,440 --> 01:28:33,360
This feature also be? Would it
cross over well into audio book

1310
01:28:33,360 --> 01:28:38,070
music, film, blah, blah, blah,
blah, blah. And I think this one

1311
01:28:38,070 --> 01:28:41,670
does, because I use imagine
audiobooks. Let's say you have a

1312
01:28:41,670 --> 01:28:44,910
book of short stories. Which
one? Do you want to be the top?

1313
01:28:45,000 --> 01:28:48,330
Right? You know, like, is there
one that you think is a good

1314
01:28:48,330 --> 01:28:54,150
intro? Or something like that?
So anyway, that's, I think that

1315
01:28:54,810 --> 01:28:59,370
I think stuff like that is how
we go forward, sort of in

1316
01:28:59,370 --> 01:29:02,310
parallel with all the mediums
sort of like

1317
01:29:03,840 --> 01:29:05,790
Adam Curry: it's an important
feature. It's a very important

1318
01:29:05,790 --> 01:29:08,250
thing. Yeah, I totally see it.
Totally.

1319
01:29:09,150 --> 01:29:13,620
Dave Jones: Yeah. So but just
the just that larger idea of,

1320
01:29:14,310 --> 01:29:17,730
we're no longer just building
for spoken word, podcasting. Now

1321
01:29:17,730 --> 01:29:21,360
we're building for other things,
too. Yep. And it does, it

1322
01:29:21,360 --> 01:29:24,660
doesn't mean that every feature
has to be equally applicable to

1323
01:29:24,660 --> 01:29:28,080
all the others. But I think if
if if you're building something

1324
01:29:28,080 --> 01:29:31,620
for one, and then you say, Okay,
well, could this apply to also

1325
01:29:31,620 --> 01:29:32,670
music and audiobooks?

1326
01:29:32,700 --> 01:29:34,500
Adam Curry: Right? We got to
think that way. We got to start

1327
01:29:34,500 --> 01:29:35,490
thinking that way.

1328
01:29:35,730 --> 01:29:37,950
Dave Jones: Yeah, you're like,
Okay, well, this actually could,

1329
01:29:38,040 --> 01:29:41,400
it could, but only if we add
this new attribute that that

1330
01:29:41,400 --> 01:29:44,220
gives it a little tweak. Well,
then we add that we add the

1331
01:29:44,220 --> 01:29:47,760
attribute. We do we do that, you
know, we do the next thing.

1332
01:29:49,440 --> 01:29:54,090
Adam Curry: Yeah, I love it.
Shall we? What are what are you

1333
01:29:54,090 --> 01:29:57,540
on time today? Are you on? Get
back to the office on time?

1334
01:29:57,600 --> 01:30:00,450
Yeah, schedule. Let me yeah, let
me thank a couple For people

1335
01:30:00,450 --> 01:30:02,370
that have been boosted live
since we'll be doing the show

1336
01:30:02,370 --> 01:30:05,550
give you a little time to set up
your your papers. Get your

1337
01:30:05,550 --> 01:30:12,390
papers in order 7777 A nice oh,
I should have had this ready a

1338
01:30:12,390 --> 01:30:19,110
nice to striper booths from Sir
TJ the raffle and where do you

1339
01:30:19,110 --> 01:30:23,400
boost that from he boosted that
from podcast guru which is nice.

1340
01:30:23,400 --> 01:30:27,540
It does not yet have a a logo in
my helipad, but I know that's

1341
01:30:27,540 --> 01:30:33,360
coming yet. Dave Jones boosted
2112 I'm just gonna guess that

1342
01:30:33,360 --> 01:30:37,680
was for the track that we
played. It was Yeah. meters 2500

1343
01:30:37,680 --> 01:30:42,210
Music boost and 50,000 SATs from
Carolyn boosting this heavy song

1344
01:30:42,210 --> 01:30:45,390
dig in this one. Can you put
links in IRC please? Well,

1345
01:30:45,510 --> 01:30:50,400
lovely Carolyn. The split kit
did that for you was put right

1346
01:30:50,400 --> 01:30:54,960
in probably around the same time
you boosted Mr. Robot 1006 Great

1347
01:30:54,960 --> 01:30:59,850
choice de value for value music.
A boob donation from Mr. Como

1348
01:30:59,910 --> 01:31:03,990
eight oh a Dave agree five by
five about Nastar is a toxic VC

1349
01:31:03,990 --> 01:31:07,050
playground that Bitcoiners
thinks zaps will save the world.

1350
01:31:08,880 --> 01:31:13,050
break break Adam not surprising
shit coin VC magazine would do

1351
01:31:13,050 --> 01:31:16,170
that. David Bailey is clueless
about V for V edits basics.

1352
01:31:16,170 --> 01:31:19,830
Thank you gents for busting
through the podcast industrial

1353
01:31:19,830 --> 01:31:27,510
complex. Now, again, I bless
everybody I want everyone to win

1354
01:31:27,570 --> 01:31:30,420
or whatever they want to do is
good. I will support them. Clip

1355
01:31:30,420 --> 01:31:34,680
custodian 12345 love his lip
Thank you clip custodian then

1356
01:31:34,680 --> 01:31:41,070
Sir Brian of London 35,784
Because it's a new year. That's

1357
01:31:41,070 --> 01:31:48,270
right. Rosh Hashanah the year
5784 hence the boost amount

1358
01:31:48,330 --> 01:31:53,070
Shana Tovah. from Israel Happy
New Year. Shana Tova I think is

1359
01:31:53,070 --> 01:31:55,170
it showing up to have I think is
the way pronounce it? That's

1360
01:31:55,170 --> 01:31:59,520
right. It's it's the new year we
have apples and honey. Yeah,

1361
01:31:59,520 --> 01:32:01,350
with our Jewish friends.

1362
01:32:01,980 --> 01:32:04,680
Dave Jones: I've never had a
hive Gabby mean to me. I'm just

1363
01:32:04,680 --> 01:32:04,980
ever

1364
01:32:05,010 --> 01:32:08,610
Adam Curry: that's true. 1111
short row of Asako satchel

1365
01:32:08,610 --> 01:32:11,340
Richards East Side Tony I'm
starting to help onboard artists

1366
01:32:11,340 --> 01:32:14,760
to podcasting 2.0 By hosting
content for them. I host the

1367
01:32:14,760 --> 01:32:19,500
artist album Songs and artwork
for a six slash 94 split.

1368
01:32:19,860 --> 01:32:22,800
Artists get 94% of the split
interesting choice. I like it.

1369
01:32:23,040 --> 01:32:26,070
No cost of the artists instant
payments. Any artist interested

1370
01:32:26,070 --> 01:32:30,630
in collaborating? Email me? One
Eastside tony@gmail.com Number

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01:32:30,630 --> 01:32:33,150
one East Side tony@gmail.com.

1372
01:32:33,990 --> 01:32:36,150
Dave Jones: This is a scissor
infomercial. I like it

1373
01:32:36,270 --> 01:32:39,840
Adam Curry: is the business this
Eastside Tony gets it. It's like

1374
01:32:39,840 --> 01:32:43,500
hey, I can do this. It's not
easy to artists need hand

1375
01:32:43,500 --> 01:32:46,860
holding sometimes. I will do it
for you. Beautiful. Oh, good.

1376
01:32:46,980 --> 01:32:50,160
Blueberry new music show debuted
last night homegrown hits

1377
01:32:50,160 --> 01:32:54,120
featuring Dame DeLorean Mary
Kate Ultra and Daisy B Cooper

1378
01:32:54,150 --> 01:32:57,480
melodic crew that is, this is
the only music 2.0 show with

1379
01:32:57,480 --> 01:33:02,670
enough balls to play exclusively
self hosted music is called home

1380
01:33:02,670 --> 01:33:05,580
grown hits. Alright, so let me
hold on a second. I just want to

1381
01:33:05,970 --> 01:33:09,360
copy the URL there because
that's something I want to

1382
01:33:09,360 --> 01:33:13,740
listen to. I listened to every
single new show. I'm very nice.

1383
01:33:13,800 --> 01:33:14,130
Okay,

1384
01:33:14,549 --> 01:33:17,309
Dave Jones: he added it to the
chart, this special chart?

1385
01:33:17,999 --> 01:33:18,959
Calculators

1386
01:33:19,679 --> 01:33:23,999
Adam Curry: Oh, yes, very good.
Tone record 12345 pre boosting

1387
01:33:23,999 --> 01:33:26,129
for all this exceptional work
occurring over the past few

1388
01:33:26,129 --> 01:33:31,169
weeks eluding all with scissors
in hand. Thank you, sir. Then we

1389
01:33:31,169 --> 01:33:35,849
have a Chris You know, 12345
Thank you, uh, Chris, you know,

1390
01:33:35,909 --> 01:33:40,169
it's beautiful. I want to create
my own playlist to share with

1391
01:33:40,169 --> 01:33:42,329
friends and get them into V for
V music. It would be a

1392
01:33:42,329 --> 01:33:45,449
searchable feed that updates
each time I make a new playlist.

1393
01:33:45,569 --> 01:33:48,809
I can easily do this with my
music side project. I would

1394
01:33:48,809 --> 01:33:51,239
still maintain all original
splits to the artists, how do I

1395
01:33:51,239 --> 01:33:54,359
best avoid gunking up searches
with duplicate search results

1396
01:33:54,359 --> 01:33:57,929
for songs such as searches in lm
beats.com or other music

1397
01:33:57,929 --> 01:34:00,959
players? Good question. That'd
be the last one I got on my

1398
01:34:00,959 --> 01:34:03,989
list. What do we want to answer
that? Dave? Do you understand

1399
01:34:03,989 --> 01:34:04,739
the problem here?

1400
01:34:06,060 --> 01:34:10,230
Dave Jones: I think I do. But
it's we will figure that out as

1401
01:34:10,230 --> 01:34:14,820
we go through the process of
getting music medium and music l

1402
01:34:15,390 --> 01:34:20,610
Rhea remote items pulled into
the to the index. So we'll we'll

1403
01:34:20,610 --> 01:34:24,090
do that in a way that were
probably just exclude them from

1404
01:34:24,090 --> 01:34:27,000
search. Yeah, not exclude the
playlist from search, but

1405
01:34:27,000 --> 01:34:30,420
exclude the, you know the
contents of the playlist. Yes,

1406
01:34:30,420 --> 01:34:33,630
sir. So you're not duping stuff.
It's, I don't think it'll be a

1407
01:34:33,630 --> 01:34:35,100
problem. It's not a problem.

1408
01:34:35,130 --> 01:34:37,080
Adam Curry: Before we get into
thanking some more people. This

1409
01:34:37,080 --> 01:34:42,090
is a value for value podcast,
which means if you get any value

1410
01:34:42,090 --> 01:34:44,190
from the work that's being done
here, if you get any value from

1411
01:34:44,190 --> 01:34:47,400
this podcast, send it back.
However, you can time talent or

1412
01:34:47,400 --> 01:34:50,550
treasure. As you can tell a lot
of time and talent is being put

1413
01:34:50,550 --> 01:34:54,480
into this entire project by a
cast of 1000s we love treasure

1414
01:34:54,480 --> 01:34:57,960
you can go to podcast index.org.
Down at the bottom there's two

1415
01:34:58,320 --> 01:35:01,170
red buttons donate buttons. I
She haven't looked at the tally

1416
01:35:01,170 --> 01:35:04,260
coin and while people always
said hey, I want to send you on

1417
01:35:04,260 --> 01:35:08,370
coin Bitcoin then you got a
tally coin and once again, we

1418
01:35:08,370 --> 01:35:11,220
haven't had anything there since
the 10th of July. But there's

1419
01:35:11,220 --> 01:35:14,790
also a PayPal link for your Fiat
fun coupons, but we really like

1420
01:35:14,790 --> 01:35:18,750
you to go to podcast apps.com
and grab one of the value for

1421
01:35:18,750 --> 01:35:21,420
value podcast apps, almost every
single one of them does it at

1422
01:35:21,420 --> 01:35:24,210
this point, as far as I know,
and you can boost to your

1423
01:35:24,210 --> 01:35:29,640
heart's content. And I want to
congratulate fountain on 100,000

1424
01:35:30,870 --> 01:35:33,480
I think they call them comments
or messages but I think I would

1425
01:35:33,480 --> 01:35:37,320
say the majority of those are
boosts booster grams and again,

1426
01:35:37,770 --> 01:35:41,280
May a culpa I was wrong. In the
beginning I thought that

1427
01:35:41,520 --> 01:35:44,640
surfacing booster grams would be
a bad idea that it would

1428
01:35:44,850 --> 01:35:49,710
deteriorate the value and I
stand corrected once again just

1429
01:35:49,710 --> 01:35:52,950
want to reiterate it's a great
idea to surface booster grams I

1430
01:35:52,950 --> 01:35:58,170
love it. It makes it feel like
there's you can build community

1431
01:35:58,170 --> 01:36:01,890
around these booster grams and I
wish more apps did it

1432
01:36:04,590 --> 01:36:09,900
Dave Jones: i i love Oscar he's
a great guy I've spoken to him

1433
01:36:09,900 --> 01:36:14,670
many times and it just
congratulations I mean he's just

1434
01:36:14,670 --> 01:36:18,240
done some great work with found
it II took on a very difficult

1435
01:36:18,240 --> 01:36:22,950
task right out of the gate being
vie for V focused and you know

1436
01:36:22,950 --> 01:36:28,710
running running with scissors
full bore hosting wallets and

1437
01:36:28,710 --> 01:36:31,260
all this stuff it was a hard
thing to do and I just got a lot

1438
01:36:31,260 --> 01:36:36,840
of I got mad respect for the see
we got we got oh we got to pay

1439
01:36:36,840 --> 01:36:43,110
we got one Pay Pal yay. We got
from the team at blueberry says

1440
01:36:43,110 --> 01:36:46,110
go podcasting for the blueberry
team $250

1441
01:36:46,740 --> 01:36:50,130
Adam Curry: podcast. Thank you
Thank you team a blueberry I

1442
01:36:50,130 --> 01:36:52,860
love that and it's separate from
Todd by the way that is the team

1443
01:36:52,860 --> 01:36:55,140
I think who agree that okay,
we're gonna support the index

1444
01:36:55,140 --> 01:36:56,250
and we appreciate them

1445
01:36:57,060 --> 01:37:00,930
Dave Jones: as a we've got some
booster grams we got in the

1446
01:37:00,930 --> 01:37:04,770
morning says that I sound
terrible with the new audio and

1447
01:37:04,770 --> 01:37:08,490
he says you 100 Sound 100% Sound
like a robot. It's hard to

1448
01:37:08,490 --> 01:37:09,030
listen to.

1449
01:37:09,690 --> 01:37:13,290
Adam Curry: Is that a new boost
or an old boost? That is

1450
01:37:13,290 --> 01:37:15,810
Dave Jones: a boost from
September the eighth at four

1451
01:37:15,810 --> 01:37:16,500
o'clock PM.

1452
01:37:17,190 --> 01:37:19,320
Adam Curry: Maybe he was drinkin
because you sounded great on the

1453
01:37:19,320 --> 01:37:22,170
last show. You sound like a
robot at all as you sound.

1454
01:37:22,769 --> 01:37:24,809
Dave Jones: I'd listen. I
listened back to the show and it

1455
01:37:24,809 --> 01:37:26,189
sounded great. Yeah, I

1456
01:37:26,430 --> 01:37:28,530
Adam Curry: mean, yeah, maybe
when you put it in someone's

1457
01:37:28,530 --> 01:37:31,020
head, you know, it's like I
sound like a robot then people

1458
01:37:31,020 --> 01:37:33,540
hear you like a robot. Maybe
not. Maybe it's subliminal.

1459
01:37:34,110 --> 01:37:36,960
Dave Jones: Well gene ever had
boosted 5000 status and he said,

1460
01:37:37,110 --> 01:37:39,390
today's audio is a bit
distracting, but it's not

1461
01:37:39,390 --> 01:37:42,060
horribly bad as some everyone
else commented, good show.

1462
01:37:42,060 --> 01:37:45,810
Regardless, interest is not.
This is not great feedback. I

1463
01:37:45,810 --> 01:37:46,140
don't.

1464
01:37:47,220 --> 01:37:50,250
Adam Curry: I'm telling you if
you tell someone like yeah, my

1465
01:37:50,250 --> 01:37:52,470
audio is not good. People will
hear it is not good.

1466
01:37:54,180 --> 01:37:55,530
Dave Jones: audio sounds great.

1467
01:37:56,580 --> 01:37:59,490
Adam Curry: Man, your audio. I
mean, it's like it's like velvet

1468
01:37:59,490 --> 01:38:00,480
in my ears. Dave

1469
01:38:01,020 --> 01:38:03,660
Dave Jones: is he doesn't want
it just like why?

1470
01:38:03,690 --> 01:38:06,270
Adam Curry: Why? It's like fine
wine. It's like a chocolate ice

1471
01:38:06,270 --> 01:38:06,780
cream.

1472
01:38:09,450 --> 01:38:12,870
Dave Jones: Gene been 2222 He
says I'm like y'all Adam. I

1473
01:38:12,870 --> 01:38:15,300
don't come close to my bandwidth
cap on Linode each month, I'd

1474
01:38:15,300 --> 01:38:18,120
happily donate my unused
bandwidth. Good.

1475
01:38:19,440 --> 01:38:22,050
Adam Curry: IPFS right. IPFS
Yeah.

1476
01:38:22,650 --> 01:38:25,650
Dave Jones: Yep. Joe Martin
music 2100 SATs through

1477
01:38:25,650 --> 01:38:30,780
fountain. No note. Thank you,
Joe. My name is Joe Martin. So

1478
01:38:32,160 --> 01:38:38,340
they Ryan Hirsch is working on
working with Cameron to build

1479
01:38:38,640 --> 01:38:44,340
like a remote IPFS management
thing and the best I understand

1480
01:38:44,340 --> 01:38:49,650
it. It's so that you can host
your IPFS podcasting content on

1481
01:38:49,650 --> 01:38:53,640
a node somewhere else but then
manage it from a local local

1482
01:38:53,640 --> 01:38:54,180
machine.

1483
01:38:54,300 --> 01:38:55,650
Adam Curry: Oh, okay.

1484
01:38:55,710 --> 01:38:58,050
Dave Jones: I think you might
understand as you can manage it.

1485
01:38:58,590 --> 01:39:01,110
I may be wrong, but I think it's
like you could meant the the

1486
01:39:01,110 --> 01:39:04,050
IPFS podcasting code is running
like on your own polar star

1487
01:39:04,050 --> 01:39:08,070
nine. But then the repository
and IPFS daemon are in the cloud

1488
01:39:08,070 --> 01:39:08,550
somewhere

1489
01:39:08,580 --> 01:39:12,840
Adam Curry: and doesn't include
a gateway the because I'm ready

1490
01:39:12,840 --> 01:39:17,070
to I'm ready to host anyway. I
want to be a gateway as soon as

1491
01:39:17,070 --> 01:39:17,700
possible.

1492
01:39:18,960 --> 01:39:23,100
Dave Jones: See is a anonymous
22 330 threes for cast? ematic

1493
01:39:23,100 --> 01:39:26,160
No, no, thank you anonymous
appreciate it mortals podcast.

1494
01:39:26,220 --> 01:39:30,150
4444 through fountain he says
top 100 playlist would be

1495
01:39:30,150 --> 01:39:36,630
amazing. I would 100% use that
100% Come on Dave say it again.

1496
01:39:36,690 --> 01:39:41,310
You know you want to
100% 100,000%

1497
01:39:44,070 --> 01:39:47,310
Adam Curry: I got another
100% 100% Lee

1498
01:39:47,400 --> 01:39:48,240
Dave Jones: 100%

1499
01:39:49,590 --> 01:39:57,210
Adam Curry: Okay. We got to
release the crack. Oh yeah. 100%

1500
01:39:57,240 --> 01:39:58,230
Yeah.

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01:39:59,160 --> 01:40:01,920
Dave Jones: Down under law. 100%

1502
01:40:01,920 --> 01:40:04,860
Adam Curry: agree. I got a
million of them. I got a

1503
01:40:04,860 --> 01:40:05,160
million.

1504
01:40:07,379 --> 01:40:10,679
Dave Jones: Becker vice chats
that's a Richard 1111 Shawn my

1505
01:40:10,679 --> 01:40:13,079
brother podcasting 2.0 Hey
brother.

1506
01:40:13,169 --> 01:40:14,399
Adam Curry: Hey brother boost
boost

1507
01:40:14,400 --> 01:40:18,570
Dave Jones: boost. Chris last
that would be Chris from Jupiter

1508
01:40:18,570 --> 01:40:24,300
broadcasting 68,848 cents nice
boost boots on the ground

1509
01:40:24,300 --> 01:40:27,300
report. Jupiter broadcasting is
distributing our office hours

1510
01:40:27,300 --> 01:40:31,470
podcast via IPFS podcasting and
it's working well our community

1511
01:40:31,470 --> 01:40:34,020
is busy spinning up nodes to
help support the network and

1512
01:40:34,020 --> 01:40:36,840
we're looking at firing up some
gateway Yes,

1513
01:40:36,840 --> 01:40:39,720
Adam Curry: yes. Yes like the
final

1514
01:40:39,720 --> 01:40:41,310
Dave Jones: piece to truly be
sovereign with our

1515
01:40:41,310 --> 01:40:42,360
infrastructure fire.

1516
01:40:42,839 --> 01:40:46,409
Adam Curry: Fire FIRE I'm ready.
Oh, cool, man. Very nice. Good

1517
01:40:46,409 --> 01:40:49,199
work. Good work over there.
Jupiter broadcasting community.

1518
01:40:49,500 --> 01:40:51,810
Dave Jones: Did you also see
their Jupiter station

1519
01:40:52,289 --> 01:40:54,299
Adam Curry: know what they have
a moon base

1520
01:40:57,150 --> 01:41:00,840
Dave Jones: that's Brian know
this they have the Jupiter

1521
01:41:00,840 --> 01:41:06,030
station is a live 24/7 radio
like broadcast of their old back

1522
01:41:06,030 --> 01:41:09,720
catalogue. They're now using the
lit they live item tag to

1523
01:41:09,720 --> 01:41:10,170
distribute.

1524
01:41:10,200 --> 01:41:13,470
Adam Curry: Oh no, I hadn't I'll
subscribe that's kind of cool.

1525
01:41:15,360 --> 01:41:18,240
Dave Jones: Pod ping dot cloud
token this morning so they can

1526
01:41:18,240 --> 01:41:23,970
paying for it. Beautiful. Sir
looks a lot 13 370s through pod

1527
01:41:23,970 --> 01:41:27,120
verse he says May these humble
few sets swell in your wallet

1528
01:41:27,120 --> 01:41:32,190
like a bad lithium battery. But
with but with happier outcomes

1529
01:41:32,190 --> 01:41:35,220
for your pocket. I love what you
all do together. It feels like

1530
01:41:35,220 --> 01:41:38,010
I'm witness to the birth of a
profound and good thing.

1531
01:41:38,220 --> 01:41:41,820
Exciting and warms my heart.
outstanding value dear friends,

1532
01:41:41,910 --> 01:41:43,800
more sets to follow Cheers.

1533
01:41:43,830 --> 01:41:46,800
Adam Curry: Thank you. We love
Samuel

1534
01:41:46,800 --> 01:41:50,610
Dave Jones: W. Satchel Richard
1111 No note. Thank you, Joe.

1535
01:41:50,760 --> 01:41:59,640
Thanks, Joe. nega through pot
friend. One. Amiga. Cool. My

1536
01:41:59,640 --> 01:42:06,030
Dutch is flawless. Yes, great.
Six. Oh, Cameron. 65 535. Oh,

1537
01:42:06,030 --> 01:42:08,190
that's a what is that? That's

1538
01:42:08,610 --> 01:42:09,660
Adam Curry: in a chip.

1539
01:42:10,320 --> 01:42:13,020
Dave Jones: That's a word. Now
that's that's the maximum

1540
01:42:13,020 --> 01:42:17,880
integer value of a word, which
is 16 bits. So like

1541
01:42:17,910 --> 01:42:21,510
Adam Curry: entity, five like
interplanetary was what was the?

1542
01:42:21,960 --> 01:42:24,510
What was that one the longest
word? I used to know it by

1543
01:42:24,510 --> 01:42:30,060
heart. Interplanetary aneurysm
no into. Man. I know.

1544
01:42:30,060 --> 01:42:32,670
Supercalifragilistic
expialidocious. But then there

1545
01:42:32,670 --> 01:42:36,480
was the longest well look it up
while you continue.

1546
01:42:37,259 --> 01:42:42,479
Dave Jones: Okay, the Yeah. The
that's an unseen that is if your

1547
01:42:42,509 --> 01:42:46,979
16 bits is an unsigned integer.
So just Oh, yeah. To clarify

1548
01:42:46,979 --> 01:42:47,219
that.

1549
01:42:47,339 --> 01:42:50,879
Adam Curry: antidisestablishmentarianism.
antidisestablishmentarianism.

1550
01:42:51,599 --> 01:42:54,719
Dave Jones: No, that's like,
that's like in for labs area.

1551
01:42:56,609 --> 01:43:00,239
Tech Metal 21 cent 5000 SATs
through fountain he says, just

1552
01:43:00,239 --> 01:43:02,849
trying to participate. Here's
what's in my wallet. Thank you

1553
01:43:02,849 --> 01:43:05,819
for all you do for podcasting.
2.0 used to grant Thank you.

1554
01:43:06,209 --> 01:43:13,679
Thank you. Anonymous 617 out of
12345 sets through cast ematic

1555
01:43:14,429 --> 01:43:18,629
for is this test boosting toy.
See if Dave gets some of the new

1556
01:43:18,629 --> 01:43:21,989
features of the latest cast.
thematic beta. Value time split

1557
01:43:22,019 --> 01:43:24,929
to V? Yep. Awesome. Nice work,
Franco.

1558
01:43:25,110 --> 01:43:26,790
Adam Curry: Oh, yeah. I mean,
everyone's really stepping up on

1559
01:43:26,790 --> 01:43:29,400
the TLVs. That's great. So happy
to see lots

1560
01:43:29,400 --> 01:43:33,060
Dave Jones: of lots of fixes.
Yes, Sam has fixed things. Mitch

1561
01:43:33,060 --> 01:43:38,100
has fixed things. Franco has
fixed stuff. Yeah, great. Great.

1562
01:43:38,100 --> 01:43:43,140
Good work, everybody. Macintosh
2222 says IPFS gateway sounds

1563
01:43:43,140 --> 01:43:47,250
like a great idea. Macintosh.
Nice. Set well, not anonymous

1564
01:43:47,400 --> 01:43:50,370
5000 staff through pod verse. He
says inside dirt on how the

1565
01:43:50,370 --> 01:43:53,250
establishment podcast is
streaming music industry. Work

1566
01:43:53,280 --> 01:43:56,400
is interesting. We need to raise
awareness, especially on the

1567
01:43:56,400 --> 01:43:57,420
consumer side.

1568
01:43:59,130 --> 01:44:01,050
Adam Curry: You know who's going
to raise awareness the artists

1569
01:44:01,050 --> 01:44:04,890
themselves. They've all got a
fan base. Everyone will support

1570
01:44:04,890 --> 01:44:08,670
them. They bring in people it's
it's a built in built in Beauty

1571
01:44:08,670 --> 01:44:09,150
System.

1572
01:44:09,870 --> 01:44:13,260
Dave Jones: They'll raise
awareness by releasing awesome

1573
01:44:13,260 --> 01:44:19,770
tracks. Yeah. Source de 1701
That's a Star Trek boost. Your

1574
01:44:19,770 --> 01:44:22,680
sound is harsh, prickly
wondering if the noise gate is

1575
01:44:22,680 --> 01:44:24,630
cutting things off too soon. Too
much.

1576
01:44:25,800 --> 01:44:28,410
Adam Curry: Well, thank you.
This hurts man. This hurts my

1577
01:44:28,410 --> 01:44:31,200
heart. No, no, but I have to
remind what am I hearing? Hold

1578
01:44:31,200 --> 01:44:36,930
on. I have to remind everybody
that I had three people on the

1579
01:44:36,930 --> 01:44:42,780
same sound channel on the last
show, so I had to get a happy

1580
01:44:42,780 --> 01:44:46,950
medium so everybody sounded kind
of okay. That's that's the

1581
01:44:46,950 --> 01:44:49,230
problem when you have multiple
guests.

1582
01:44:49,950 --> 01:44:52,290
Dave Jones: This is the real
test. This is because this is

1583
01:44:52,290 --> 01:44:53,640
just me and you, baby. Yeah,

1584
01:44:53,700 --> 01:44:56,460
Adam Curry: I think I mean, in
my ears. It sounds good.

1585
01:44:57,330 --> 01:45:03,180
Dave Jones: Okay, cool. See
Thank you so much D 33 333. Cola

1586
01:45:03,180 --> 01:45:06,660
Mona sir Libra. Oh, his shoes
his show is great lightning

1587
01:45:06,660 --> 01:45:07,470
thrashes that's

1588
01:45:07,589 --> 01:45:10,739
Adam Curry: Oh yeah, that's it's
Is that where you got your

1589
01:45:10,739 --> 01:45:13,949
suggestion from today? Because
if not and belongs on that show.

1590
01:45:13,979 --> 01:45:17,249
I was mastered very hard very
hard rockin

1591
01:45:17,729 --> 01:45:22,589
Dave Jones: boost. Yep. This the
IR dagger show. Dear Adam and

1592
01:45:22,589 --> 01:45:25,169
Dave, I would like to draw your
attention to a new V for V music

1593
01:45:25,169 --> 01:45:28,409
podcast, much in the style yet
less refined than the world

1594
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renowned booster Graham ball.
This one features the highly

1595
01:45:31,589 --> 01:45:34,769
energetic hardcore headbanging
that only metal music can

1596
01:45:34,769 --> 01:45:40,199
provide. Please join Callum Mona
colo Mona Nicola Mona, aka ser

1597
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1598
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V music show at lightning
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1599
01:45:49,500 --> 01:45:50,580
Adam Curry: I'm just guessing
you were doing

1600
01:45:51,780 --> 01:45:57,990
Dave Jones: also a cooking is
still pretty awesome. Oh no

1601
01:45:57,990 --> 01:46:02,520
reference. I like it. See?
mozzie might you got Mike Newman

1602
01:46:02,520 --> 01:46:03,300
already? Didn't you

1603
01:46:03,540 --> 01:46:05,130
Adam Curry: know I didn't know I
didn't do him.

1604
01:46:05,850 --> 01:46:08,280
Dave Jones: Oh, you didn't? Oh
crap. I just deleted it. Oh,

1605
01:46:08,280 --> 01:46:12,420
dang it. How do I get it back?
Crap,

1606
01:46:12,450 --> 01:46:15,390
Adam Curry: I can find it. I'm
gonna sign new.

1607
01:46:17,070 --> 01:46:19,980
Dave Jones: Because this is how
I don't. This is because I hate

1608
01:46:19,980 --> 01:46:22,830
Thunderbird and I don't know how
to get back to my deleted items.

1609
01:46:23,970 --> 01:46:25,350
Adam Curry: Go to your deleted
inbox.

1610
01:46:26,490 --> 01:46:27,270
Dave Jones: Let's say here.

1611
01:46:27,389 --> 01:46:32,189
Adam Curry: Here's 15,550 For
Mike Newman double striper boost

1612
01:46:34,379 --> 01:46:38,909
from the day job biz, from the
day job this trip this week.

1613
01:46:38,939 --> 01:46:43,289
Give them another one that is
double love tracking the V for V

1614
01:46:43,289 --> 01:46:46,529
music development and stacking
tunes into the it's a mood

1615
01:46:46,559 --> 01:46:49,919
tracklist for the next episode,
which I love listening to that.

1616
01:46:50,909 --> 01:46:55,409
Kudos to Steven B's music V for
V community forming and telegram

1617
01:46:55,409 --> 01:47:02,729
go podcast. You bet brother.
Great show. Great show. I love I

1618
01:47:02,729 --> 01:47:06,719
love him. Because he's the the
opposite of me. He's like, hey,

1619
01:47:06,719 --> 01:47:10,289
everybody's super chill. It's
like hey, hey, if your hair is

1620
01:47:10,289 --> 01:47:13,589
all still stuck back from listen
to booster Graham ball and your

1621
01:47:13,589 --> 01:47:17,009
ears are buzzing chill out with
me Mike Newman on it's a mood.

1622
01:47:17,550 --> 01:47:22,800
Dave Jones: It's sort of like
parts of space. Like our Global

1623
01:47:22,800 --> 01:47:24,000
Public Radio, Alison

1624
01:47:24,000 --> 01:47:25,590
Adam Curry: Steele the night
bird

1625
01:47:26,220 --> 01:47:29,310
Dave Jones: and the nightmare.
There's a there was hard to

1626
01:47:29,310 --> 01:47:33,900
space and there was some other
some other late night peep the

1627
01:47:34,290 --> 01:47:37,050
public radio show.

1628
01:47:37,710 --> 01:47:39,240
Adam Curry: I don't know. I
don't know.

1629
01:47:39,720 --> 01:47:43,770
Dave Jones: Man. It's gonna hit
me later. Comic Strip blogger

1630
01:47:43,830 --> 01:47:48,180
30 3015 through fountain says
hello podcasting 2.0 Friends

1631
01:47:48,180 --> 01:47:50,940
Adam and Dave. I want to
recommend the podcast called

1632
01:47:50,940 --> 01:47:57,180
Planet rage. Which can be found
at WWW dot planet rage dot show.

1633
01:47:57,750 --> 01:48:02,100
It's reminiscent of no agenda.
But features have Polish here

1634
01:48:02,100 --> 01:48:02,730
and O'Neill

1635
01:48:03,000 --> 01:48:08,310
Adam Curry: O'Neill sounds so
Polish Polak

1636
01:48:11,580 --> 01:48:15,330
Dave Jones: he's only half
polish. Okay, what is the Darren

1637
01:48:15,330 --> 01:48:21,960
part in place of half polish
Dvorak and half Irish Larry.

1638
01:48:22,080 --> 01:48:26,310
Instead of half Scottish Adam.
Larry has such a deep voice that

1639
01:48:26,310 --> 01:48:29,130
when he speaks every woman
nearby thinks her phone just

1640
01:48:29,130 --> 01:48:32,370
vibrated. Jesus.

1641
01:48:33,960 --> 01:48:37,440
Adam Curry: Yo, yo, exactly.

1642
01:48:37,830 --> 01:48:39,240
Dave Jones: All right,
everybody's half polish

1643
01:48:39,240 --> 01:48:39,750
evidently.

1644
01:48:40,020 --> 01:48:42,180
Adam Curry: Thank you all very
much buddy missing thank you so

1645
01:48:42,180 --> 01:48:44,580
much, everybody for boosting got
a monthly Is there a date?

1646
01:48:44,970 --> 01:48:45,870
Monthly? So we got

1647
01:48:45,900 --> 01:48:49,110
Dave Jones: Christopher Hara
Barack $10 Mitch Downey $10

1648
01:48:49,110 --> 01:48:56,130
Terry Keller $5 Jeremy Kavanaugh
for $10 Chris Callen. $5 Derek

1649
01:48:56,130 --> 01:49:00,900
J. Vickery, the best name in
podcasting. $21 Paul Saltzman

1650
01:49:00,900 --> 01:49:07,170
$22.22 Thank you, Paul. Damon,
Cassie, Jack $15 and Jeremy

1651
01:49:07,170 --> 01:49:08,460
Garrett's $5

1652
01:49:09,150 --> 01:49:11,610
Adam Curry: Excellent. Thank you
all so much, we appreciate it

1653
01:49:11,610 --> 01:49:15,840
the value makes us feel good.
All the Satoshis that go into

1654
01:49:15,840 --> 01:49:19,710
the node we use that for
liquidity opening up channels

1655
01:49:19,710 --> 01:49:23,340
anybody who needs them hit me up
hit me up on podcast index dot

1656
01:49:23,340 --> 01:49:26,580
social Adam mccurry.com. If you
need liquidity for any your

1657
01:49:26,580 --> 01:49:30,570
project for your node for your,
your music, whatever it is,

1658
01:49:30,600 --> 01:49:33,900
remember we have to be
decentralized minds will have a

1659
01:49:33,900 --> 01:49:38,340
backup you never know stuff can
happen. And of course, the Pay

1660
01:49:38,340 --> 01:49:40,680
Pal goes towards paying the
bills for the servers and

1661
01:49:40,680 --> 01:49:43,080
keeping everything running and
keeping a little bit in reserve

1662
01:49:43,230 --> 01:49:46,350
in case we keel over. And the
pay pals will just keep going

1663
01:49:46,350 --> 01:49:49,500
Linode will get paid and it'll
run for a couple of years is not

1664
01:49:49,500 --> 01:49:55,590
the idea. That's the idea. Yeah.
I feel like we've like let me

1665
01:49:55,590 --> 01:49:57,690
ask you this. How do you feel
now? Do you feel calmer since

1666
01:49:57,690 --> 01:49:59,280
when you came into the show?
Today?

1667
01:49:59,370 --> 01:50:01,650
Dave Jones: The museum about an
exercise I feel I do feel

1668
01:50:01,650 --> 01:50:06,480
better. I feel like I retract. I
formally officially retract all

1669
01:50:06,480 --> 01:50:09,120
wishes of venereal disease on
other people.

1670
01:50:12,210 --> 01:50:19,320
Adam Curry: It's, you know, it's
it's easy to get discouraged.

1671
01:50:21,270 --> 01:50:27,060
Dave Jones: I rarely get angry.
But it just got me this way. It

1672
01:50:27,060 --> 01:50:31,110
just it just got me it got all
over me. I mean, like, Monday, I

1673
01:50:31,110 --> 01:50:35,040
was like me, you know, and by
today I was just like

1674
01:50:38,340 --> 01:50:43,650
Adam Curry: well, there is so
much to be excited about. So

1675
01:50:43,650 --> 01:50:47,370
many great things happening so
many new people coming into our

1676
01:50:47,670 --> 01:50:52,650
orbit. And I'm just really happy
about music. It's been such a

1677
01:50:52,650 --> 01:50:55,860
rediscovery for me it was so
turned off I lived in the hits

1678
01:50:55,860 --> 01:51:02,550
for many decades and now to be
in this in this ecosystem with

1679
01:51:02,580 --> 01:51:04,650
with the people who are a part
of it, the people who are

1680
01:51:04,650 --> 01:51:08,460
joining the curiosity, the
excitement from other people.

1681
01:51:08,970 --> 01:51:13,500
It's just, it's fantastic. It
really is. You've given an old

1682
01:51:13,500 --> 01:51:16,080
guy a reason to live. Thank you
so much.

1683
01:51:17,070 --> 01:51:18,960
Dave Jones: It's a great movie
on town Hallmark.

1684
01:51:20,190 --> 01:51:22,530
Adam Curry: All right, brother
back to the grind for you, Dave

1685
01:51:22,530 --> 01:51:25,950
Have yourself a great weekend
friend. Me too, man. All right,

1686
01:51:25,950 --> 01:51:28,140
everybody in the chat room.
Thank you all so much, everybody

1687
01:51:28,140 --> 01:51:31,590
listening, this was boom. We're
gambling out this board meeting.

1688
01:51:32,010 --> 01:51:35,040
And we'll be back next week with
another board meeting of the

1689
01:51:35,040 --> 01:51:38,640
official podcasting 2.0 board.
You're invited because you're a

1690
01:51:38,640 --> 01:51:39,120
part of it.

1691
01:51:54,990 --> 01:51:59,520
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