Episode 144: Velocity

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Adam Curry: Oh, podcasting 2.0
September 1 2023 Episode 144 We

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got velocity Oh it's good to be
back. Hello everybody welcome to

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the only boardroom that welcomes
live music on the table it is

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podcasting. 2.0 That's right
everything happening with

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podcasting, real podcasting. You
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happening with the podcast

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namespace all this going on in
podcasts index at Oregon. We do

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have stuff going on there. And
of course all the latest gossip

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from podcasts index dot social.
I'm Adam curry here in the heart

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of the Texas Hill Country and in
Alabama, the man who's counting

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to 100 Just for you say hello to
my friend on the other end the

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one and only Mr. De Jones.

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Dave Jones: Does this qualifies
Season Two we were on such a

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long hiatus. I feel like we
should have rebranded as Season

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Two season

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Adam Curry: two. I don't know
does that work in any podcast

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apps that season stuff?

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Dave Jones: Yeah, I doubt I
doubt. Probably not.

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Adam Curry: No, probably not.
Probably not. David album

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Dave Jones: Mark didn't even
work in Apple until recently.

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Yeah,

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Adam Curry: that's true. Dave I
missed you I understand you miss

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me to be enough to go throwing
stuff around. It's okay. All

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right. Regardless is all fine.

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Dave Jones: I'm glad to hear
that you miss me because you

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know you seem to be doing every
podcast but this one I started

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to feel a little left out.

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Adam Curry: I know. Oh actually
I miscalculated

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Dave Jones: in a mo facts. We
did one of these. Okay, all

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right. And that shows not even
going anymore.

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Adam Curry: Yeah, it is it has
seven more episodes before it's

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over. But what was actually
really important mo fax was very

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important. Have you listened to
it? I'm sure you haven't

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listened to that I listened to
you. It was on my player. It was

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very serendipitous in with what
we're doing with value for value

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music. It I mean, where do you
want it? Where do you want to

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start my dear because by the way
Hello boardroom Hello everybody.

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Good to see everybody in the
chat room we are live and lit

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you should be using an app that
I just read what I just

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retweeted think podcast guru
podcast addict pod fans pod

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friend lots of pods of course
pod versus fountain curio caster

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everything kind of works now
with live and lit not everything

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does value time split or as I
call it the wallet switching

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technology

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Dave Jones: like this wildly
switching technology ethos

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technology on the end of it it
makes it sound like there's like

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important

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Adam Curry: it's important yeah
there is a team it's a huge team

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we've got this massive team

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Dave Jones: but no it's but when
you actually do it it's just you

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and split kit

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Adam Curry: together i My heart
is just so full of the music

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value for value can we just talk
about that for a moment?

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Dave Jones: Yes, I will save my
I will save my long story about

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the so

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Adam Curry: come on give us Come
on give us a tease give us two

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years Wow What do you what do
you got to lose?

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Dave Jones: I was sent a road
caster

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Adam Curry: why why do you were
sent one bias by road

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Dave Jones: no road yeah we
really need to get him a review

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Adam Curry: I would have been
mad.

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Dave Jones: I know you would
have been pissed I got sent a

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road caster but I'm not using it
in the in this story of how that

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came to be is is worth telling
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Adam Curry: well. Why don't you
do that first first. So who sent

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you who was who was the kind
person to send the pod sage a

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road caster?

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Dave Jones: Well this is part of
this is the fun. One of the fun

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elements of this story is that
two people tried to send me one

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at the same time.

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Adam Curry: Oh my gosh,

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Dave Jones: it became a who can
send David road caster first

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competition.

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Adam Curry: That's fantastic.

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Dave Jones: No Sam Sam Sethi
offered over email to send me a

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road caster. He said I've got
one and I'm not using it. Oh,

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that's cool. Yeah. So he's gonna
send me a road caster Pro. And I

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was like, well, that's great.
They let you know,

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Adam Curry: a pro or Pro two. Is
that sorry, I don't distinction.

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Dave Jones: Don't remember. It's

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Adam Curry: a pro send it back.

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Dave Jones: In the free gift.
Yes. So it may have been a pro I

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don't race it. It was leftover
from his radio station. It's

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Adam Curry: most well there's
pro in this pro too. And you

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want to pro too but okay. Sam is
a beautiful man for doing that.

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And the other person

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Dave Jones: in I said, Well, you
know, said Well, let me at least

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pay pay shipping isn't
expensive, you know, gift and

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everything. Well then, then
Kevin Finn from Buzzsprout texts

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me went like a day after Sam
sent that email and says, Hey,

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what's your shipping address?
And we'll send you some, but he

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never told me what it was. So
then two days later, or caster

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Pro Duo shows up on the front oh
wow that's the one you want yeah

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I got the little it's the it's
the one you wanted me to get yes

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that's the

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Adam Curry: one you want that
that is and I tested it on the

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road that is it I mean it's
fantastic is exactly what you

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want in fact if the if it had
come out before I got the road

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caster to I probably would have
gotten that one.

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Dave Jones: Well the fantastic
part is it was literally that in

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quotes for Ron oh yeah all
right. I didn't use so I want to

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do this. I want to do this
review of the non of this thing

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of this thing into parts. First
shipping box stores.

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Adam Curry: How it came phase it
came from the road or it came

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from the from from Kevin

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Dave Jones: came from Kevin
ordered it from like the BH

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video. Yeah, yeah, b&h Sure.
corbion at b&h been shipping

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Foster's got here. Awesome.
operation. Now the operational

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review is going to take the form
of a short story. Let's do it.

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So, unbox this about a week
after I got it. And just I'm

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like, Okay, I need to check this
thing out and make sure it works

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and everything fired up. It's
great. Like, immediately I can

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see how great this thing is.
Spent some time with it. Playing

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around Scottsdale.

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Adam Curry: Take it out to
dinner.

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Dave Jones: afforded a drink.
Yeah. So it was it was great.

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The preamps are dynamite. That's
what they're famous for. Yeah.

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Fantastic. So I'm playing around
with this thing. I'm getting the

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hang of how it works. So much so
that it was so easy to get into

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and set up and use that I was
like, Okay, I'm just gonna, I

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just took down my my old setup,
I removed all the cords,

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everything. So I set my whole
rig up and the whole workstation

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up with with the road caster
duo. And I'm like, great.

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Alright, so then I'm like, I
know, we don't have a podcast

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for another two weeks. So I'm
like, Okay, well,

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Adam Curry: I'm gonna
experiment. Well, I

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Dave Jones: go. I was like,
well, I'll just, I'll just come

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back to this later. So. So last
night, I come here to get back

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up and running and just make
sure I know how to use this

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thing because I was going to
spring it on. You don't want it

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be a surprise.

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Adam Curry: Oh, okay. Yeah. Oh,
nice. Yeah,

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Dave Jones: they've got new
gear. And so some men Marigold,

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or, you know, we're laughing at
ourselves with with the funny

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pitch shifting voice technology.
This is your daughter has your

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daughter. Yeah. Yeah, that's
right, my 13 year old and

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generally having a riotous time.
And so I go in there,

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everything's working. Great. I
go in, I renamed the default

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profile from from default to
podcasting. 2.0. Right. And then

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you hit export. And then no, it
the Export button was grayed

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out.

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Adam Curry: Because you need to
have an SD card in.

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Dave Jones: Okay, yeah, exactly.
Okay, so I don't have an SD

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card. Yeah. So I rename it to
podcasting. 2.0 and I exit that

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screen. You off, you froze? Oh,
user interface, it just

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completely froze up. So I'm
like, Okay, this

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Adam Curry: is weird. Hit the
button on the back.

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Dave Jones: Hold the button down
on the back. I hit the hit the

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button on the back. Nothing. I
hold the button down on the back

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for 10 seconds. Nothing pulled
the plug. Hold it down for 30

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seconds. Nothing. Oh, no,
there's, there's clearly no

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hardware interrupts on this
thing. All software's not so so

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I go pull that pull the power.
Rule one. All software sucks.

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And it's full of bugs. So I pull
the power. No sweat. Plug it

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back in. 25% progress progress
bar for 30 minutes on the Buddha

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up. Oh

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Adam Curry: no.

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Dave Jones: I'm like, bricks.
I'm like, what it was what's

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happening here? I pull the power
again. Plug it back in. Same

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thing. Okay, well, so

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Adam Curry: important one
question. Yes. Yes, yes. When

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you got the machine one of the
first things I think it says in

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the instructions is to connect
it to Why don't use it. It's

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connected to Wi Fi and then see
if there's an update.

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Dave Jones: Yeah, so I did
better than that. I plugged it

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into Ethernet. And you check for
an update immediately plugged

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into the Ethernet is said
firmware update. I said go it

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updated itself rebooted. It was
everything was great. Okay, that

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happened day one. And so you
know, pull up now pull all the

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cords out. You know, I'm gonna
get this thing down. I'm going

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full like a one. You know, a or
a plus computer certified

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technician. Oh,

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Adam Curry: yeah. No, I wish you
know, are you sweating a little

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bit at this point? Are you mad?
Okay. It's a little bit a little

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bit of sweat. Yeah. Okay,
aggravation, little, little bit.

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Dave Jones: there had been a
floppy cable in there, I would

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have been checking the
orientation of the twisted

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perception. So, so did. So pull
everything off, plug it back,

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pull everything out, plug the
power cord back in, hit the

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power button. Same thing, but
this time, I get to like 90% or

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a little different.

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Adam Curry: All right? You feel
better. You felt better. How

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long did you wait at 90% 20
minutes?

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Dave Jones: And I'm like, No,
this is wrong. So I pulled the

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power again. Plug it back in.
I'm just I'm just doing the same

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thing over and over like a
monkey at this point, right? hit

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the power button. Now it comes
up all the way to like 99% on

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the progress bar and I get the
Christmas tree.

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Adam Curry: Oh, you're feeling
good. At this point. You're

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feeling good? Feeling good?
Yeah,

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Dave Jones: I'm like, This is
great. This is I'm almost there.

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All I have to do is reboot 787
or eight more times and I'm

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going to do it again. And this
time it comes up and I get an

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interface. I get to you I'm like
okay, I've This is progressive

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rebooting I'm not sure I
understand this technology. But

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this

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Adam Curry: is daily. It's a
feature. It's a feature

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obviously a feature.

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Dave Jones: Yeah, and so so I
get I get an interface. And I'm

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like, Okay, this is working.
Sliders are working. And then I

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hit the hit the gear icon. I'm
gonna go try to see if I can

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force it to find a firmware
update. I hit the gear icon for

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you. I froze. Yeah, so now I'm
googling I'm like okay, what is

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this this unknown issue or
whatever and now

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Adam Curry: and I would say that
the road website itself sucks it

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really does the way they've set
that up and everything they've

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chaptered it and put it into
sections it sucks just give me

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one big page with everything but
no okay yeah

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Dave Jones: in the end the the
the placeholders on the page

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that you jump back and forth
with don't always right no good

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is no good. So I started
Googling to try to find

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solutions to this and I run into
like I run into this dude called

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the road caster master oh

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Adam Curry: this is Oh did you
get his number the road caster

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master

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Dave Jones: this guy is
fantastic. I mean, I love this

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guy. He brings a break. So this
the road caster Master is a

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special person he can take like
a like a 32nd How to and turn it

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into 15 minutes you want a
little you want a little sample

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of the road caster?

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Adam Curry: I was just looking
them up. You have a sample. Oh,

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Dave Jones: All right.

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Adam Curry: Let me play a little
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the road caster master

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Unknown: the road caster Pro
two. Let's go Alright.

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Adam Curry: Fine. I'm liking
this guy. All right. Oh, he's

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Dave Jones: great. I mean, he
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the only thing he's missing.

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Adam Curry: And that's actually
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thing. I can't believe that he
that he didn't already use it.

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Let's just try that again. Let's
just try him again.

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Unknown: The road caster Pro
two. Let's go.

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Adam Curry: Alright, I'm feeling
good. Now. I'm feeling good,

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right?

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Dave Jones: I'm like, Okay, this
guy's will solve my problem.

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He's gonna show me how to read
how to reset the road caster

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Pro. Well, of course, nothing
this the duo is so new that

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nobody really has anything on
it. It's on Pro two stuff. So

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he's like the he's like the this
guy's like the recipe blog of

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YouTubers.

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Adam Curry: Like his little
icons, Roman helmet icon.

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Dave Jones: It doesn't make any
sense. So

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Adam Curry: he has 98 views of
which 97 are yours.

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Dave Jones: That's all my f5
dini goes from? He goes, he goes

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at one point into this into he's
going to show you how to and he

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goes to the TRS 4000 skycam.
Right on, which is yes,

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Adam Curry: I'm putting this guy
in the show notes. All right.

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Dave Jones: Yeah, hit clip two.
Oh, sorry.

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Unknown: In the comments.
Someone asked the same question.

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So since they asked the same
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these are two comments that I
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read. You know what I'm getting
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this on my break it down sort of
forever be broke. So now what

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we're going to do is we're going
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a technologically advanced,
Scott Kim is out of space right

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now. He's going to zoom in

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Adam Curry: All right, so he's
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Dave Jones: zooms in and shows
hitting the the gear icon on the

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screen of which I can't get to
right. This guy is ultimately

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worthless. He was entertaining
for 10 minutes. Yeah, I'm sure

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it's really worthless to me.
It's So, I moved, I moved past

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the road caster, Master and the
so now try the road central

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software. Do you have you used
this?

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Adam Curry: Oh yeah. Oh yes. Did
you have the right version

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because if you don't have the
right version is not going to do

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anything for you.

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Dave Jones: I don't know what
version I had the every video

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tutorial I could find that tries
to get show you how to force a

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firmware flash it none of none
of these work because it this

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thing only boots to a UI two out
of 10 times. And so you and then

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after that you get about 15
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the I guess the overall verdict
for usability of the road caster

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duo is zero stars cannot
actually get it to function.

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Adam Curry: You know, I've heard
a lot of a lot of these issues

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when people don't have the SD
card, which I think I mean, come

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on road, what does it cost?
Seriously, throw and throw a

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little SD card in there? Because
that's where it's getting mixed

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Dave Jones: So you're saying
that it's possible that because

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I don't have an SD card that can
be the source of all these

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problems?

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Adam Curry: I think so. Okay,
yeah. Here's something you could

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try. And and this now I am the
road caster dual master

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you can use one of those two
interfaces to connect a drive.

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So if you have an external
drive, and you plug it into I

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think it's a number to the
second yet that might trick it

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into thinking, Oh, I have some
storage. I think it's looking

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for storage. And when you tried
to export your profile by

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renaming it, maybe just renaming
it. And somehow I think it's in

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the default startup loop where
it's looking for the default

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profile and it can't find
storage maybe if we trick it

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into thinking that there's there
is explorer, it is external

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storage, because you can you can
use the SD card or you can use

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the second USB interface as a
storage connection. Okay,

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Dave Jones: so I need a micro SD
card and a USBC flash drives.

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Adam Curry: Well if you have a
if you have a micro SD card then

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by that that should do it. But
if you don't in a pinch in a

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pinch, just grab one of those
external USB hard drives you

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have laying around we know
you've got one with the

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blockchain on it.

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Dave Jones: It's not being used.
Yes, it's

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Adam Curry: available. Yeah,
grab one of those and try that.

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Oh, that's too bad. That's that
is a bad experience.

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Dave Jones: Well, it it is. It
is beautiful to look at. It's

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gorgeous. It's a gorgeous piece
of tech. I actually got an ISO

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from the road caster master.
This is a beautiful piece of

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technology.

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Adam Curry: Of course we want
that that is a beautiful piece

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Unknown: of technology. Gee.

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Adam Curry: So that's my road
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which that is that is awesome.
That is the I love you. That is

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the end of show ISO No,

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Unknown: it is a beautiful piece
of technology. Gee. That is a

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beautiful piece of technology.

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Adam Curry: Come on. Come on.
Come on. Come on.

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Dave Jones: Gee, this guy is
amazing. He's great. I love you,

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Kevin. Thank you so much. And I
will get this somehow a work

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with road support or something
to get this working. And we'll

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end it will return to the show
and functioning order.

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Adam Curry: I'm excited. I'm
excited. I'm excited because you

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know, and then you'll have sound
pads you can hit and do all

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kinds of cool stuff with

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Dave Jones: Yeah, and annoy you
to death. No, no,

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Adam Curry: no, you don't annoy
me at all. I missed you. I have

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all the people of all the people
I do podcasts with I missed you

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the most yet because

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Dave Jones: I'm the only one you
didn't do a podcast with.

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Adam Curry: I know that's why I
missed you. We were supposed to

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do it last Friday, but I
miscalculated. And we were

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traveling on Friday. Oh and and
I really had miscalculated the

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hours but we also had an hour
and a half delay and then we had

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because I was going to try and
slip on and as I said when we

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landed when we landed his people
airport and you know I had the

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hotel right there at the
airport. Everything was good to

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go. It should have worked out so
we landed an hour and a half

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late and then one suitcase
didn't show up and that took two

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and a half hours that's that's
that's so I'm sorry and

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Dave Jones: your trip you're
rested and relaxing it was a

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good trip.

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Adam Curry: I'm not rested and
relaxed at all no it was really

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it was it do vacation. We're
traveling we're going from

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Holland to Spain, a meeting
people who are dying you know,

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my my friends who are in their
late 70s and 80s. Like I just

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want to make sure I try and see
you once every one or two years

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before you gotta go. Oh man.
Yeah. I know none of the only

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one guy I grew up with. He grew
up in, in the hood with me that

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he's dying. So that but you
know, so I spent a couple days

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with him. And he who knows, you
know, he may miraculously make

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it and you never know it didn't
look like it. I'm like, Yeah, we

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want to talk about you on the
show man is like, how long is

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that podcast three hours. It's
too long. I can't listen to

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that, like, Wow.

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Dave Jones: I don't have time.

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Adam Curry: But the, the older
people like my first radio boss,

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Lex Harding, had dinner with
him. And then actually on the

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Friday night that got all messed
up. I was having dinner with

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kind of a pseudo dad, for me
when I was in the 15. I started

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out with illegal CB radio in
Holland. And there was a real

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community and he was in there.
And he kind of took me under his

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wing. And so I know him and his
wife and his kids. Kids are

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almost like my age. And, you
know, he's like this old sailor

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guy who lives on a houseboat.
And it's just cool. I hadn't

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seen him in 30 years, like Moby
Dick. Is that very much? Yeah,

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very much. And Moby Dick Tai Chi
can kind of guy. Anyway, we're

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here now. And the one thing I
did do when I was in Italy, and

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I did another one on Monday as
the booster gram ball, and i My

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heart is so full of excitement
for what is happening here. And

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the fact that we now have, I
think, six value for value music

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podcasts, and I have no idea how
anyone figured this stuff out.

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There's no tutorials, there's no
I mean, it's worse than the road

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caster duo. There's no way to
understand how to do it yet.

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People like dirty Jersey whore.
Mike Newman, I mean, people are

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doing it. The door falls. The
door falls. Yeah. TJ the raffle

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which you know, he has this 10
brothers. And they all make

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music. It's the Von Trapp value
for value Family Singers. It's

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crazy.

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Dave Jones: This is nuts. Yeah.
So and they're doing it self

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hosted too. They're not the wave
like yeah,

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Adam Curry: so Okay, so there's
a lot of things happen, I had a

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lot of reflection on what's
going on. And just by doing the

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booster, gram ball, I need to
need to get a couple of things

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off my chest. Okay. I suddenly
realized, repetition creates

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hits. Now I know this sounds da.
And, and I know, inherently

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that, you know, when you're in
and radio, you know, I should

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probably step back 111 thing
here. So I've done a lot of

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radio in my life and radio.
Yeah, you have decades of back

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catalogue says a lot of music.
But really, the current playlist

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of songs across the spectrum is
limited. I mean, it's maybe 100

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songs, tops that people are
pulling from it, I was talking

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to moe, he says urban radio,
they're playing 10 songs. Now.

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This is 10 songs, that's all

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Dave Jones: just just make sure
this is a 10 song rotation

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pretty much

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Adam Curry: and it's and it's
all about hoes and money and

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drugs and killing each other.
Oh, that's not very positive.

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So, so of course, when you're
playing the same songs on every

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station over and over again, and
this is across the board, I

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mean, even the different formats
of radio, it's all still pretty

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limited. Just go look at it.
It's all based on on the charts,

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you know, the charts kind of
reflect what is available. And

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if you're hearing the same song,
you know, three times a day, it

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sticks in your head. I mean, it
has to be really crap and even

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really craps on will stick in
your head. And so yeah,

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Dave Jones: those are the ones
that stick in your head more and

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more than anything. Um, so

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Adam Curry: I'm waking up on
vacation, and I'm singing the

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songs that I've been playing on
booster grand bought, my wife is

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singing the song she's playing
like, I gotta I gotta hear TJ

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song again. What

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Dave Jones: don't forgive me.
Yes. That's been in my head for

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days.

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Adam Curry: You know, and, and
Bobby shell and just, like holy

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crap with with a very limited
amount of exposure. It's

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happening. It's really
happening. So this, this just,

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oh, this just blows my mind. But
then I was actually talking with

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Moe. And, and we did a show,
episode number three of moe

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facts with Adam curry. And this
is something he's been preparing

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for a long time. In fact, it's
been so long in preparation that

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it's a two parter. So we only we
only did like three hours in 17

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minutes, which is short for mo
facts, but as a two parter, and

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it's the history the history of
hip hop. And okay, and at a

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certain point as most as you
know what you're doing with

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booster gram ball, what's
happening with podcasting 2.0

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Valley for Valley Music is says
it's so perfect for this

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episode, because he talks about
resonance and how what he

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Brought up he said, you know,
all over Anthony, all over

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Anthony, not a record, not a
music industry guy gets a song

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out somehow. And it resonates.
It resonates with a large

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section of people, not with Mo
necessarily resonated with me

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might have resonated with you.
There's something about it. And

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and of course, this is why
immediately you get all this

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horrible information about him.
Oh, he's Q anon he's horrible.

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He's no good. He's a he's a
shill. He's doing it. Because

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the music business and this is
where we're gonna go in part

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two, with with, with no facts,
is how hip hop specifically

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became corporately controlled,
because the message that was

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being put out, I mean, I always
knew that hip hop was kind of

441
00:25:52,290 --> 00:25:56,850
the CNN for the hood, in the
early days that will not stand.

442
00:25:56,940 --> 00:26:01,950
So just as the podcast
industrial complex controls and

443
00:26:01,950 --> 00:26:06,570
desperately wants to control
what is allowed to be

444
00:26:06,690 --> 00:26:11,340
distributed on podcast apps. The
music industry has been doing

445
00:26:11,340 --> 00:26:16,470
this for a long time, all the
way back to Sam Cooke. Who this

446
00:26:16,470 --> 00:26:19,920
is all in that mo facts. coup,
you know, they made him change

447
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:23,670
lyrics because he was talking
about, you know, change is going

448
00:26:23,670 --> 00:26:26,730
to come and things that were
just a little bit, you know,

449
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:29,580
might get some of those black
folk all riled up. We can't have

450
00:26:29,580 --> 00:26:30,540
that Sam Cooke.

451
00:26:31,470 --> 00:26:35,550
Dave Jones: I have. I'm still in
the middle of reading the book

452
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:41,520
called a question of sedition,
the government's investigation

453
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:45,660
of the black press during World
War Two, fantastic book, they

454
00:26:45,660 --> 00:26:49,380
were, the government has always
been the United States

455
00:26:49,380 --> 00:26:55,560
government has always been very
afraid of the of Black Media,

456
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:59,310
Black Entertainment, black news,
that they have always wanted to

457
00:26:59,310 --> 00:27:00,060
keep a lid on it.

458
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:03,120
Adam Curry: And all of this came
from the church, it all came

459
00:27:03,120 --> 00:27:07,470
from the preachers who were
hooping, you know, which was a

460
00:27:07,470 --> 00:27:13,290
very rhythmic type of type of
preaching. And that literally,

461
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:15,690
you know, when you when you go
through this episode with Noah,

462
00:27:15,690 --> 00:27:19,500
that really is the origins of
hip hop. And so then they went

463
00:27:19,500 --> 00:27:21,510
after the preachers, you know,
and then they stuck the name

464
00:27:21,510 --> 00:27:23,550
Reverend in front of the in
front of him. And then he's

465
00:27:23,550 --> 00:27:27,150
like, Oh, no, and the reference,
look at Reverend Al Sharpton,

466
00:27:27,150 --> 00:27:29,790
there's a lot of Reverend out
there who are not necessarily

467
00:27:30,180 --> 00:27:33,480
doing things for their
community, they are doing things

468
00:27:33,750 --> 00:27:40,500
for the government, for banks
for all their controllers. So

469
00:27:40,530 --> 00:27:44,400
realizing this, I'm like, Oh, my
God, this is this value for

470
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:49,320
value music, to me now is as
important as what we're what

471
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:53,400
we've done with podcasting to
make it open and available and

472
00:27:53,580 --> 00:27:58,320
censorship resistant. And we're
building something outside of

473
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:03,630
the podcast industrial complex.
And it just and so now, now,

474
00:28:03,630 --> 00:28:07,080
every song. And there's
something else that happened, of

475
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:11,130
course, we tried this in
2006 2007, there was called the

476
00:28:11,130 --> 00:28:16,890
podcast, the pod pod save Music
Network. And the pod save Music

477
00:28:16,890 --> 00:28:21,540
Network was a website, you could
upload your music if you owned

478
00:28:21,540 --> 00:28:25,320
it. And with that, you signed a
separate license. And the

479
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:28,530
license was very simple. You
give any podcast who's a member

480
00:28:28,530 --> 00:28:31,950
of the network, the permission
to play the song on their

481
00:28:31,950 --> 00:28:35,490
podcast, and what they had to do
is put your information in the

482
00:28:35,490 --> 00:28:38,580
link in their show notes and
report on the system that they

483
00:28:38,580 --> 00:28:41,730
had played it when they played
it. There was no money changing

484
00:28:41,730 --> 00:28:45,540
hands. And it was quite it was
quite successful, a lot of

485
00:28:45,540 --> 00:28:49,470
people were really into it and
there was a vibe going on. And

486
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:52,350
some musicians start to get some
traction, but there was no

487
00:28:52,350 --> 00:28:57,510
value. There was no way for the
value to to change hands. So

488
00:28:57,510 --> 00:29:00,690
that part is covered with value
for value. We have value and

489
00:29:00,690 --> 00:29:05,100
with the value time splits or
once again, wallets switching

490
00:29:05,100 --> 00:29:10,740
technology. That works when you
say that to an artists wallet,

491
00:29:10,740 --> 00:29:13,740
switching technology. Oh, okay.
I understand what you're saying,

492
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:16,080
oh, yeah, I get that you switch
into my wallet. Okay, I

493
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,270
Dave Jones: get it. It works on
me. I like.

494
00:29:21,420 --> 00:29:26,340
Adam Curry: And, you know, in
2007, we didn't have the same

495
00:29:26,340 --> 00:29:30,990
level of technology for
musicians. I have now you get a

496
00:29:30,990 --> 00:29:35,700
Universal Audio Device or some
other interface, you get a USB

497
00:29:35,700 --> 00:29:38,610
mic, some headphones, you get
some software, you can create

498
00:29:38,610 --> 00:29:42,960
any just as good as any other
artists. You still need talent,

499
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:46,710
you still need this. It's still
creating music. It's not simple.

500
00:29:47,070 --> 00:29:50,760
But it's it's technology has
made it so this it's time has

501
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:56,670
come. And, and I so another
problem. My experience from back

502
00:29:56,670 --> 00:30:01,890
then was you know, it's not easy
to create Even a weekly show

503
00:30:01,890 --> 00:30:07,950
because you know, well how much
is really available? Holy moly

504
00:30:07,950 --> 00:30:11,610
the amount of music that has
become available. In fact, I

505
00:30:11,610 --> 00:30:15,510
have a monthly boardroom report
from Ron Plouffe. Ron's over

506
00:30:15,510 --> 00:30:19,620
there in the corner he always
brings his his PowerPoint to the

507
00:30:19,620 --> 00:30:20,130
board meeting

508
00:30:20,130 --> 00:30:23,040
Dave Jones: third cousin was
removed from David Plouffe, the

509
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:23,400
Obama,

510
00:30:24,180 --> 00:30:27,690
Adam Curry: different spelling
but yes, feeds with medium

511
00:30:27,690 --> 00:30:35,460
music, Rose 40% In the last
month 824 it putting that into

512
00:30:35,460 --> 00:30:40,350
perspective, according to our
statistician, Ron, we added 234

513
00:30:40,350 --> 00:30:45,690
feeds in August, compared to
only 90 in July. So this is

514
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:50,040
accelerating feeds with value
block saw a corresponding bump,

515
00:30:50,250 --> 00:30:55,290
adding 776 to finish it almost
15,000 prior to August, it took

516
00:30:55,290 --> 00:31:00,840
two and a half months to get
that many feeds. So the snowball

517
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:05,550
effect is fantastic. Because
what you now have is you've got

518
00:31:05,550 --> 00:31:10,020
artists going out there talking
on podcast, where where the

519
00:31:10,050 --> 00:31:12,840
where the music is played, and
it's put into the wall switching

520
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:16,620
technology and and other artists
hear it and the everyone's

521
00:31:16,620 --> 00:31:22,200
talking. It's like what what
what so cool, in fact that I get

522
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:25,680
a call from Jeff Smith. Yes,
sir. Sir

523
00:31:25,710 --> 00:31:27,810
Dave Jones: Sir Jeff Smith or
Jeff Smith. Now Jeff

524
00:31:27,810 --> 00:31:31,140
Adam Curry: Smith has been in my
life since almost the beginning

525
00:31:31,140 --> 00:31:35,010
of daily source code early days
of podcasting. And he kind of

526
00:31:35,010 --> 00:31:39,690
appeared in Jeff Smith. He's a
Nashville guy is his he Jeff

527
00:31:39,690 --> 00:31:42,090
Smith wakes up in the morning
and says, Oh, I think I'll write

528
00:31:42,090 --> 00:31:46,230
a hit. And and you can do that.
And he's done crazy pianos,

529
00:31:46,230 --> 00:31:48,930
that's been his main source of
income, although he's played on

530
00:31:49,170 --> 00:31:52,110
lots of records, you probably
know, but he's a working

531
00:31:52,110 --> 00:31:55,950
musician. And then when things
get slow, then he goes back to

532
00:31:55,950 --> 00:32:00,420
doing crazy pianos if you don't
know what that is, it's it's a

533
00:32:00,420 --> 00:32:03,510
bar there's many of them around
the country but around the world

534
00:32:03,510 --> 00:32:07,200
I would say you go in there's
usually two P LPNs. And their

535
00:32:07,230 --> 00:32:10,470
their pianos are back to back
and they'll take requests from

536
00:32:10,470 --> 00:32:14,400
the audience and they can just
play it but then those people

537
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:16,650
are made they are and that but
then they can play funny

538
00:32:16,650 --> 00:32:20,220
versions. And I remember where I
met Jeff was in Nashville,

539
00:32:20,550 --> 00:32:27,810
probably. Hmm. I'm trying to
think now. It was early on Hot

540
00:32:27,810 --> 00:32:34,380
Pockets probably 2007 or eight I
don't know. And we did an It was

541
00:32:34,380 --> 00:32:37,200
no gender meetup so it must have
been 2008 No, it's one of the

542
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:41,130
early no agenda meetups and and
all sudden he's playing like no

543
00:32:41,130 --> 00:32:43,500
agenda songs that he just made
up.

544
00:32:45,510 --> 00:32:49,290
Dave Jones: Oh, this is this is
is he the origin of the no

545
00:32:49,290 --> 00:32:52,680
agenda jingle? I mean, like is
he or at least towards the

546
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:53,220
beginning

547
00:32:54,030 --> 00:32:57,420
Adam Curry: of the What do you
mean the jingle like

548
00:32:58,380 --> 00:33:01,440
Dave Jones: you know the best
part of waking up is that

549
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:05,310
Adam Curry: I don't know if he
did that one honestly it's it's

550
00:33:05,310 --> 00:33:10,530
so it's so hard to not have a
second I have this so this is

551
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:14,730
this is this is something he did
way back when I'll just play a

552
00:33:14,730 --> 00:33:15,300
little bit of it

553
00:33:30,870 --> 00:33:31,440
Unknown: the ground

554
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:39,060
join us

555
00:33:44,460 --> 00:33:44,940
next

556
00:33:55,350 --> 00:33:55,950
Saturday

557
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:04,890
Dave Jones: say this Yeah, so

558
00:34:04,890 --> 00:34:06,870
Adam Curry: Jeff Smith just
wakes up and is like, Oh, I'm

559
00:34:06,870 --> 00:34:10,290
just gonna write this and he did
an acoustic version. And that

560
00:34:10,290 --> 00:34:13,500
but then I was like Jeff, do
some jingles. And he's just

561
00:34:13,500 --> 00:34:16,560
starting to do jingles and the
funniest stuff. I mean, he's

562
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:20,640
done so much not just for for
me, but you know, he'll do he'll

563
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:25,830
do openers for anybody for any
podcast. I know the one

564
00:34:25,830 --> 00:34:30,300
Dave Jones: that he's he did the
one. build back better for

565
00:34:30,300 --> 00:34:34,230
someone else, right. Yes. Okay.
Yeah, that's a great one. Yeah.

566
00:34:35,310 --> 00:34:37,260
Adam Curry: Well, that was that
was during COVID.

567
00:34:37,980 --> 00:34:41,910
Dave Jones: When that shows,
that shows that artistry because

568
00:34:41,910 --> 00:34:43,470
it's brief nearly is

569
00:34:45,420 --> 00:34:47,070
Unknown: beyond your freedom

570
00:34:56,820 --> 00:34:57,300
Adam Curry: but now,

571
00:34:57,900 --> 00:34:59,130
Dave Jones: the genius right
there. Yeah.

572
00:34:59,220 --> 00:35:02,640
Adam Curry: So now with Valley
For value. Now, I've been

573
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:04,980
setting him up with people and
then he'll just do it for a

574
00:35:04,980 --> 00:35:07,860
split in the value block. And
it's been very enjoyable for

575
00:35:07,860 --> 00:35:11,460
him. He like, you know, Adam, I
kind of dig this, this is I'm

576
00:35:11,460 --> 00:35:16,950
getting the SATs. And anyway, so
an unlikely source comic strip

577
00:35:16,950 --> 00:35:21,420
blogger, who also knows Jeff
from from years and years ago,

578
00:35:22,170 --> 00:35:26,820
that convinces him to upload
some music to, to wave Lake. No.

579
00:35:27,210 --> 00:35:31,440
And, and so Jeff and I are
talking Yes, now, and Jeff gets

580
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:36,150
it. And he not and he's like,
Oh, man I he's gonna get He's,

581
00:35:36,150 --> 00:35:40,260
uh, Nashville is in such a rut
right now. Everybody's playing

582
00:35:40,260 --> 00:35:42,600
the same kind of songs. They're
all playing on each other's

583
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:47,040
records. And it's just boring.
It's just boring. And so we

584
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:50,820
start talking about about how
this will all work. And he just

585
00:35:50,820 --> 00:35:56,310
gets super, super, super pumped
as as pumped as I am. And then

586
00:35:56,310 --> 00:35:58,530
of course, as well, you know,
how do I how do we get all this

587
00:35:58,530 --> 00:36:02,280
work and how to do it. So well,
we have no tool. So this is this

588
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,710
is the here's the good news. We
got no tools. We don't know how

589
00:36:04,710 --> 00:36:08,790
to do it. We've got no, we have
no documentation. There's the

590
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:12,150
there's no, I was gonna ask you,
Jeff. Yeah, Jeff make up some

591
00:36:12,150 --> 00:36:15,600
documentation. So one of the
things that you and I have been

592
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:20,280
talking about, because you know,
right now we have wave lake. And

593
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:24,390
wave Lake is fantastic as a as a
pioneering start. Couple of

594
00:36:24,390 --> 00:36:27,840
issues. You can't do value
splits, it's actually a huge

595
00:36:27,870 --> 00:36:32,070
issue I think with with for
music, because we are here, we

596
00:36:32,070 --> 00:36:35,430
are going to circumvent the
existing music industrial

597
00:36:35,430 --> 00:36:39,330
complex. That means
circumventing the money flow,

598
00:36:39,540 --> 00:36:43,440
which goes into these dark
organizations like ASCAP, BMI,

599
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:46,860
SoundScan, publishing labels,
and you always have to sue for

600
00:36:46,860 --> 00:36:49,650
your money and you created it.
And the end of the day, you have

601
00:36:49,650 --> 00:36:55,320
no money. We want to circumvent
that we also don't know. But

602
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:59,130
then there's music side
project.com, which is it's just

603
00:36:59,130 --> 00:37:02,310
harder, you know, Freedom always
requires that extra step. But

604
00:37:02,310 --> 00:37:08,100
musicians are, are better than
podcasters. Musicians will beg,

605
00:37:08,100 --> 00:37:11,880
borrow, steal, borrow sleep on
girlfriend's floors, they'll do

606
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:16,350
anything, anything to get their
music heard. It's just a fact.

607
00:37:16,860 --> 00:37:20,070
So what do I have to do? I have
to learn how to code. Okay, I'll

608
00:37:20,070 --> 00:37:22,440
do it. Just tell me just give me
a notepad, whatever I have to

609
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:28,230
do. Yeah, so they're starting to
figure it out. One of the things

610
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:33,360
that has been broken in the
music industry is discovery.

611
00:37:33,870 --> 00:37:40,290
Discovery became an algo. And
what used to be discovery was

612
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:45,270
the DJ. And you would listen to
your to your favorite DJ,

613
00:37:45,270 --> 00:37:48,420
because he would play cool
songs. And you would go now I'm

614
00:37:48,420 --> 00:37:51,870
not gonna go way back, but you'd
go to the sock hop. Why? Because

615
00:37:51,870 --> 00:37:54,570
he would bring the cool records
that he would be spinning or she

616
00:37:54,600 --> 00:38:00,120
was mainly a male thing. And the
DJ, the disc jockey, they had a

617
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:04,260
very mythical kind of special
place in the music business,

618
00:38:04,290 --> 00:38:07,740
which obviously turned into, you
know, like, Hey, let me give you

619
00:38:07,740 --> 00:38:10,800
some hookers and blow and play
my record, you know, so there

620
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:15,600
was some issues there. But in
general DJs would break records.

621
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:19,680
DJs were important, but it was
still within this limited scope

622
00:38:20,100 --> 00:38:24,480
of how many radio stations do
you have? So they were kind of

623
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:29,250
the kind of the drunk guards at
the gatekeepers door. Right? I

624
00:38:29,250 --> 00:38:32,910
mean, yes, yes, yeah. And so
they were a liability really,

625
00:38:32,910 --> 00:38:36,060
for the gatekeepers. So we need
to replace them with music

626
00:38:36,060 --> 00:38:40,350
directors, playlist automation.
And now, if you look at YouTube

627
00:38:40,350 --> 00:38:43,800
and Spotify algorithms,
algorithms determine what is

628
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:46,260
going on. And again, it's just
repetition. So there are firms

629
00:38:46,290 --> 00:38:49,470
and PR firms. Yeah, and all
kinds of gaming of the system.

630
00:38:49,860 --> 00:38:54,780
Yep. So you and I came up with
this idea a while ago, to create

631
00:38:54,810 --> 00:39:00,210
a top 100 For all of music,
podcasts, all the songs played

632
00:39:00,210 --> 00:39:03,930
on music podcast, WaveLight can
only can only do a top of what

633
00:39:03,930 --> 00:39:07,170
they're doing. And wave lake as
you know, the way they're doing

634
00:39:07,170 --> 00:39:11,280
it is Ainsley Costello is going
to be on top for the next two

635
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:14,430
months, because she knew she's a
breakout hit, you know, then

636
00:39:14,430 --> 00:39:17,310
even number two is still going
to be number two for a long,

637
00:39:17,310 --> 00:39:21,420
long time. That's because it's
based on number of sets, which

638
00:39:21,450 --> 00:39:28,290
sets our total SATs, which is a
very easy to game system. So we

639
00:39:28,290 --> 00:39:34,680
thought since we receive 1% For
most apps, there's one or two

640
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:40,350
that may not but it's all
voluntary. With that it's not

641
00:39:40,350 --> 00:39:43,920
it's nice to get the value but
the value is very small compared

642
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:47,520
to the value of the information.
So we know what podcasts the

643
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:50,820
track was played in theory, what
podcast that track was played on

644
00:39:50,820 --> 00:39:55,650
what podcast episode what the
amount was, and if there was a

645
00:39:55,650 --> 00:39:58,170
boost, it was a boost to Graham
any message that was sent with

646
00:39:58,170 --> 00:40:04,890
it. So I think King was a true
representation of popular is not

647
00:40:04,890 --> 00:40:09,240
how much but how many, how many
people have sent SATs to this

648
00:40:09,240 --> 00:40:14,310
song. And with that comes a
unique opportunity to enable

649
00:40:14,310 --> 00:40:19,710
people to drill into each entry
in the top 100. And see messages

650
00:40:19,710 --> 00:40:24,330
the booster grams, but also,
what podcast was this song

651
00:40:24,330 --> 00:40:27,870
played on? So now you're jumping
around now like, oh, wait a

652
00:40:27,870 --> 00:40:30,870
minute, there's a podcast that
played this song that I like,

653
00:40:30,870 --> 00:40:32,820
let me go listen to that
podcast. So now we're

654
00:40:32,820 --> 00:40:36,900
discovering podcasts and music,
and it becomes its own its own

655
00:40:36,900 --> 00:40:41,910
thing. And so you and I talked
about it. And you said, Sure. A

656
00:40:41,910 --> 00:40:44,910
typical day like Yeah, that's
great. I'll make that hasn't

657
00:40:44,910 --> 00:40:50,790
been that easy. Has it, brother?
No. I mean, I've already

658
00:40:50,790 --> 00:40:53,520
registered domain names. I'm
reading I'm writing copy Dave's

659
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:55,470
going like, Hey, this is pretty
messed up.

660
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:03,750
Dave Jones: The the script that
builds this chart is an epic

661
00:41:03,780 --> 00:41:09,510
amalgam of edge cases and
guardrail code. It, it's

662
00:41:09,510 --> 00:41:16,950
basically podcast Jenga. I mean,
the nice thing is nuts. Like,

663
00:41:19,260 --> 00:41:22,110
me, do you want to like, do you
want to throw the me? Do you

664
00:41:22,110 --> 00:41:24,030
want to throw the URL?

665
00:41:24,690 --> 00:41:26,850
Adam Curry: before? Before we?
Before we do that? I have a

666
00:41:26,850 --> 00:41:31,770
question. Because it's just Tom,
tell me what, what I'm looking

667
00:41:31,770 --> 00:41:35,250
at. Tell me what, um, you see
what I'm what am I seeing?

668
00:41:35,250 --> 00:41:38,700
Because I mean, what's not
complete? Is the the words at

669
00:41:38,700 --> 00:41:42,180
the top, but that's okay. We can
change that. But what is you're

670
00:41:42,180 --> 00:41:44,520
looking at it right now. Yeah, I
am looking at right now.

671
00:41:45,150 --> 00:41:49,830
Dave Jones: Okay, so there it
is. Yeah, what you're seeing is

672
00:41:49,830 --> 00:41:52,950
if you click on the title, you
know, that takes you to right

673
00:41:52,950 --> 00:41:55,710
now it takes you to the podcast
index. Right, right podcast of

674
00:41:55,710 --> 00:42:02,340
that podcast. The it's ranked
and you have you have the SAT

675
00:42:02,340 --> 00:42:07,050
count as we as best we can
determine. And then you have

676
00:42:07,050 --> 00:42:11,190
the, the author of the podcast,
which in this, you know, which

677
00:42:11,190 --> 00:42:14,400
in the case of a music medium
podcast is the is the the

678
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:14,940
musician.

679
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:18,150
Adam Curry: Okay, two questions.
One album, is it ranked by

680
00:42:18,330 --> 00:42:21,120
number of Satoshis? Or by number
of wallets?

681
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:31,200
Dave Jones: Both. So the way the
way it is supposed to work? Is?

682
00:42:33,060 --> 00:42:37,920
Let's, let's see. So I'm trying
to figure out how best to sort

683
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:41,970
of lay this out. So the way it's
the way it's working right now

684
00:42:41,970 --> 00:42:51,660
is the first it does, it does a
calculation of a how many sets

685
00:42:51,690 --> 00:42:55,080
that were received, divided by
how many boosts

686
00:42:55,470 --> 00:42:57,600
Adam Curry: total number of
boosts or not number of wallets

687
00:42:57,600 --> 00:42:58,830
by number of boosts.

688
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:01,830
Dave Jones: So it's basically
it's the it's the number of

689
00:43:01,830 --> 00:43:07,230
boosts, but the one with the
greatest average. So so if

690
00:43:07,230 --> 00:43:13,710
you're averaging high, if your
average boost is high, you're,

691
00:43:13,890 --> 00:43:18,270
it's, it's I'm taking that as a
quality signal. Now this is all

692
00:43:18,630 --> 00:43:23,190
very, is all very contingent in
temporary, right. You know,

693
00:43:23,190 --> 00:43:26,940
this, this chart may change
algos every five minutes or so.

694
00:43:26,940 --> 00:43:33,930
Okay. So right now, so what we
did? So I did one, I did one

695
00:43:33,930 --> 00:43:38,070
run. I haven't done anything
with it since this morning,

696
00:43:39,420 --> 00:43:43,050
before I left for work, so what
I did was I did well, yesterday,

697
00:43:43,050 --> 00:43:48,870
I did a 90 day run to build the
historical stats, SATs sat

698
00:43:48,870 --> 00:43:50,250
counts for all though, okay.

699
00:43:50,550 --> 00:43:52,440
Adam Curry: Okay. All right,
that that now I understand the

700
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:53,670
numbers a little bit. Yep.

701
00:43:54,090 --> 00:43:59,760
Dave Jones: But then But then I
added a seven day run that

702
00:43:59,790 --> 00:44:05,700
aggregate that that added to
those numbers. And to get them

703
00:44:05,730 --> 00:44:09,390
to get it to be more current. So
like there's a 90 day for

704
00:44:09,390 --> 00:44:14,040
historical purposes only, but
then it does a seventh it. Whoa,

705
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:17,700
the run this morning was a seven
day run, where it looked into

706
00:44:17,700 --> 00:44:22,920
and grabbed the number of the
average boost amount coming in

707
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:28,860
for each show. It set that as
the ranking. And then after it

708
00:44:28,860 --> 00:44:32,880
ran out of shows basically, it
rants you know if there's only

709
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:36,240
let's just say if there's only
25 tracks, yeah, that were

710
00:44:36,240 --> 00:44:39,810
boosted in the last seven days.
Then it goes and fills out the

711
00:44:39,810 --> 00:44:42,210
rest of the chart with the
historical data.

712
00:44:42,300 --> 00:44:45,120
Adam Curry: Okay, so it's not
actually the number of diverse

713
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:49,980
wallets but it's the average
boost by number of boosters and

714
00:44:49,980 --> 00:44:54,900
SATs for boost. Yes. Still
scannable but much harder to do.

715
00:44:55,950 --> 00:44:58,350
Dave Jones: I would I would
think it seems like it would

716
00:44:58,350 --> 00:45:04,710
take more you'd have to spend
more to game it. Which it

717
00:45:04,710 --> 00:45:07,740
doesn't help a lot. But well,
you have

718
00:45:07,740 --> 00:45:10,740
Adam Curry: to you have to, but
it's not. It's not by different

719
00:45:10,740 --> 00:45:14,670
wallets so I could boost I could
boost the gram 100 times with

720
00:45:14,670 --> 00:45:15,450
one wallet.

721
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:20,340
Dave Jones: Right now that's
true. Yes. Okay, so we'll in the

722
00:45:20,340 --> 00:45:24,390
read the reason that event I'm
trying to head towards the algo

723
00:45:24,390 --> 00:45:29,010
that you described it's been so
difficult just to get the basic

724
00:45:29,010 --> 00:45:30,210
numbers what are

725
00:45:30,210 --> 00:45:32,640
Adam Curry: the problems what
what is the what have our app

726
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:39,000
developers done to you? Show me
and harm me on the app where the

727
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:40,350
app developer hurt you.

728
00:45:41,910 --> 00:45:49,020
Dave Jones: So the okay we're
where to start? I have a I have

729
00:45:49,020 --> 00:45:54,540
a actually I think I have in my
clips I think I sent you a JPEG

730
00:45:56,910 --> 00:45:59,580
Adam Curry: have a lawyer's Oh
yeah, they live boost to take a

731
00:45:59,580 --> 00:46:01,380
look I'm gonna take a look at
this JPEG

732
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:06,540
Dave Jones: okay. This this is
the this is this JPEG is of

733
00:46:06,690 --> 00:46:14,640
drive discard I see. drips got
boosted boosted a song on

734
00:46:14,670 --> 00:46:18,450
histogram ball Episode Five
live. So this is a boost that

735
00:46:18,450 --> 00:46:20,310
came in during a live episode
which

736
00:46:20,310 --> 00:46:23,520
Adam Curry: is where a lot of
SATs flow to be honest a lot of

737
00:46:23,550 --> 00:46:25,470
a lot of it comes in on the live
show.

738
00:46:25,950 --> 00:46:29,550
Dave Jones: Tons now what do you
not this is what these look like

739
00:46:29,550 --> 00:46:31,260
this is coming from curieux
Castro I know

740
00:46:31,260 --> 00:46:33,600
Adam Curry: what I don't see i
What do you notice? I don't

741
00:46:33,630 --> 00:46:35,970
Well, just because of the
message. I know what this was

742
00:46:35,970 --> 00:46:38,910
boosting but I don't know, the
remote item.

743
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:42,870
Dave Jones: Right. But but
there's it's even worse than

744
00:46:42,870 --> 00:46:47,370
that. What do you what do you
what else? I mean, like the

745
00:46:47,370 --> 00:46:51,750
remote item. And that's a whole
nother discussion. But the lack

746
00:46:51,750 --> 00:46:55,890
of remote item. I was able to
work around that. Really? Yes.

747
00:46:55,920 --> 00:47:01,530
Adam Curry: Oh by by getting the
the devalue time split data from

748
00:47:01,530 --> 00:47:02,100
the feed?

749
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:11,340
Dave Jones: Yes. Yeah. Now, it
takes 30 minutes to run of

750
00:47:11,340 --> 00:47:11,670
course

751
00:47:11,670 --> 00:47:16,320
Adam Curry: the feed changes and
goods change. Mess. It's a mess.

752
00:47:17,850 --> 00:47:19,800
Dave Jones: One thing you don't
there's two there's two other

753
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:22,650
there's two other critical
pieces of information that are

754
00:47:22,650 --> 00:47:26,100
missing from this to the record
that you're looking at. One is

755
00:47:26,100 --> 00:47:29,880
the episode GUID. Oh, because
there's not was not

756
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:32,730
Adam Curry: a well, okay, to be
fair.

757
00:47:35,250 --> 00:47:38,070
Dave Jones: There's not a good
to be had a live item can have a

758
00:47:38,070 --> 00:47:41,700
good but but the live item is
ephemeral. So it's gonna go

759
00:47:41,700 --> 00:47:50,190
away. So the the only way to
track what happened for for for

760
00:47:50,190 --> 00:47:54,240
me to go back and calculate this
after the fact. It would have to

761
00:47:54,240 --> 00:47:58,950
be the live item would have to
be have a Gu ID and that Gu ID

762
00:47:58,950 --> 00:48:02,910
would have to persist into the
published episode as the same Gu

763
00:48:02,910 --> 00:48:06,720
ID so that I could go back and
know what is what. So I can know

764
00:48:06,720 --> 00:48:07,710
that they match.

765
00:48:09,030 --> 00:48:12,030
Adam Curry: Ah, okay, is there
anything that can be done with a

766
00:48:12,030 --> 00:48:15,240
T O V records that can help
this?

767
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:19,830
Dave Jones: Well, the TLV is
just is just a it's just a

768
00:48:19,830 --> 00:48:23,700
reflection of what's happening
in the feed right and the feed

769
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:26,460
that is not giving that
information

770
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:29,880
Adam Curry: Yeah, but if the
ephemeral nature of live is the

771
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:36,570
problem. So, the lot the live
live shows are going to be an

772
00:48:36,570 --> 00:48:37,710
issue in general.

773
00:48:38,460 --> 00:48:42,180
Dave Jones: Right so So in the
absence of so this is what curio

774
00:48:42,180 --> 00:48:46,410
caster is sending right now
during a live show. So in the

775
00:48:46,410 --> 00:48:53,010
absence of a of a GUID for the
episode, and the absence of a

776
00:48:53,010 --> 00:48:59,520
remote item, remote feed good. I
have nothing like it. If I could

777
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:03,570
have the ideal situation is the
remote feed good remote item

778
00:49:03,570 --> 00:49:06,840
good. Those were on there were
gold right at our head. There's

779
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:09,180
nothing nothing else has to be
done except in dinner. Just have

780
00:49:09,180 --> 00:49:10,230
to do look up. So if those

781
00:49:10,230 --> 00:49:14,310
Adam Curry: could be added to
the TLV record, they could be

782
00:49:14,310 --> 00:49:15,810
added technically, right?

783
00:49:15,870 --> 00:49:19,110
Dave Jones: Yeah, yes, yes. Yes,
for sure. For sure. The other

784
00:49:19,110 --> 00:49:22,590
thing that's missing from the
live is the timestamp. There's

785
00:49:22,590 --> 00:49:26,460
no There's no timestamp value in
this because live timestamps

786
00:49:26,460 --> 00:49:30,270
don't really exist. They don't
make sense. Right? For a lot for

787
00:49:30,270 --> 00:49:34,560
less so that. So in the absence
of remote item, good remote, PHY

788
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:39,510
guid in this TLV and the assets
of times to have I just have no

789
00:49:39,510 --> 00:49:45,810
idea. So there's many, there are
many boosts being missed because

790
00:49:45,810 --> 00:49:48,000
I simply can't do attribution
properly.

791
00:49:48,900 --> 00:49:50,370
Adam Curry: In that case, you
just ignore them.

792
00:49:51,540 --> 00:49:54,000
Dave Jones: I don't have a
choice. Yeah, you have to like

793
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:59,940
this is this room drift goes
one, two, this is 123,456 SATs.

794
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:02,940
Hmm. But it's I don't know how
to I don't know where all I can

795
00:50:02,940 --> 00:50:07,380
tell is it says it's going to
daydreamer but programmatic way

796
00:50:07,380 --> 00:50:09,930
didn't make that attribution and
I don't I have no idea

797
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:15,450
Adam Curry: unless you go into
the, the, unless you are able to

798
00:50:15,450 --> 00:50:19,410
catch it in time to go in and
get the value time split from

799
00:50:19,410 --> 00:50:22,230
booster gram ball. Oh, no. Yeah,
I guess you can get it from the

800
00:50:23,700 --> 00:50:27,240
Okay, well, here's this is
interesting. So when I do the

801
00:50:27,240 --> 00:50:30,540
show live, then that show is
published. So booster gram ball

802
00:50:30,540 --> 00:50:35,640
Episode Five, the value time
split should be the same as the

803
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:38,100
live. Does that makes sense?

804
00:50:38,850 --> 00:50:41,190
Dave Jones: Yeah, for your show
is probably going to be the

805
00:50:41,190 --> 00:50:44,880
same, right? So if some other
shows they may mimic totally

806
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:47,640
edit down their thing, and it
may they may be all messed up.

807
00:50:49,140 --> 00:50:54,990
So if, if, if the if the TV's
come in for live shows, if they,

808
00:50:55,380 --> 00:50:58,440
if they can put the remote PHY
good remote item good in there,

809
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:03,210
then we're good. We don't have
I'll have any other problems

810
00:51:03,240 --> 00:51:09,270
right? In generally speaking, so
trying to get historical

811
00:51:09,270 --> 00:51:15,120
information right now was very
difficult. Because in there at

812
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:20,910
the beginning, only Steven B's
split kit. And curio caster Nan

813
00:51:20,910 --> 00:51:25,830
live, were the only ones
providing good road out. And so

814
00:51:25,830 --> 00:51:33,360
what I had to do was take the
timestamp. See and go so like

815
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:35,670
let's furnished for an episode
of Bookstagram ball, let's just

816
00:51:35,670 --> 00:51:41,220
say episode three, have to see
that, get the feed resolved the

817
00:51:41,220 --> 00:51:46,410
feed, figured out as booster
Grand Ball, grab the timestamp.

818
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:52,830
And then go get booster Graham
balls RSS feed, right? parse the

819
00:51:52,830 --> 00:51:57,270
XML, find all of the value time
splits in it with their time

820
00:51:57,270 --> 00:52:03,630
ranges. Build a build a table of
those. And then and then find

821
00:52:03,630 --> 00:52:07,770
the timestamp where it fits in
the range of us in the lookup

822
00:52:07,770 --> 00:52:13,560
table to pull out the remote PHY
the item remote, remote, remote

823
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:18,630
PHY good wrote item guid didn't
do a lookup on that in the index

824
00:52:19,050 --> 00:52:22,980
to find out the you know what
that was? Yeah, so what show

825
00:52:22,980 --> 00:52:23,520
that was.

826
00:52:23,550 --> 00:52:25,650
Adam Curry: So this really
doesn't make sense unless we

827
00:52:25,650 --> 00:52:28,380
have the TLVs carrying all the
information you need.

828
00:52:29,790 --> 00:52:34,770
Dave Jones: It's a lot of it's a
lot of work. And so it takes I

829
00:52:34,770 --> 00:52:39,300
think I mentioned it takes about
30 minutes to do a seven to do a

830
00:52:39,300 --> 00:52:43,890
run of seven days to get to for
the whole build process to

831
00:52:44,070 --> 00:52:46,320
function. Right. That's why I
was telling you on signal I

832
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:50,310
didn't like I was trying to
avoid database work. Because

833
00:52:50,310 --> 00:52:54,600
this is already such this is
already such a huge, like, bag

834
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:58,590
of scissors that I didn't want
to get have to get involved in,

835
00:52:58,620 --> 00:53:02,730
in database. But I will I mean,
there's really only the only way

836
00:53:02,730 --> 00:53:05,820
to do this right is with is with
some database. And I'm gonna

837
00:53:05,820 --> 00:53:09,270
have to do that. And just trying
to save. I'm trying to get all

838
00:53:09,270 --> 00:53:14,130
the logic right first, right
before because for a while

839
00:53:14,130 --> 00:53:16,590
there, I didn't even know what
to save, right? Like I didn't

840
00:53:16,590 --> 00:53:17,550
even know what to put in the
data.

841
00:53:17,910 --> 00:53:20,400
Adam Curry: I guess what I'm
saying is do you want to would

842
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:24,720
it make more sense for us to say
hey, we need this information to

843
00:53:24,720 --> 00:53:27,930
be carried in the TLV before we
can even move forward or do you

844
00:53:27,930 --> 00:53:29,730
want to continue on this path?

845
00:53:30,300 --> 00:53:32,910
Dave Jones: Now I've got the
workaround for now. It's just

846
00:53:32,910 --> 00:53:38,370
gonna have to be Xeno the
language that I put at the top

847
00:53:39,450 --> 00:53:43,620
is not it's not ideal, but it
does it does make a point you

848
00:53:43,620 --> 00:53:46,080
know, it's this represents the
best approximation of how many

849
00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:51,030
sets are flown to artists and it
says the numbers could be higher

850
00:53:51,030 --> 00:53:52,200
but they can't be lower

851
00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:55,800
Adam Curry: now as I understand
them, but the problem is the

852
00:53:55,800 --> 00:54:00,300
gaming aspect if we're not doing
it based on number of separate

853
00:54:00,300 --> 00:54:05,940
wallets it's just gonna get
gamed you know what I mean? Or

854
00:54:05,940 --> 00:54:07,050
am I misunderstanding

855
00:54:12,630 --> 00:54:16,110
Dave Jones: Yeah, yeah, cuz ya
know, and understand what you're

856
00:54:16,110 --> 00:54:23,010
saying and that can be that can
be done for to an extent. I

857
00:54:23,010 --> 00:54:27,150
mean, so like, so here's Steven
Be like on that same jpg Steven

858
00:54:27,150 --> 00:54:31,920
D puts in the reply address the
reply custom key Republican. So

859
00:54:31,950 --> 00:54:37,050
that can identify a wallet where
we can say okay, this is a

860
00:54:37,050 --> 00:54:38,070
distinct wallet

861
00:54:40,650 --> 00:54:43,920
Adam Curry: Yeah, you don't have
that information right right. If

862
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:46,620
it's always coming from fountain
then you're just gonna get a

863
00:54:46,620 --> 00:54:49,260
preimage I guess is all you get
what else do you get? You don't

864
00:54:49,260 --> 00:54:50,640
you can't identify the wallet.

865
00:54:51,420 --> 00:54:53,850
Dave Jones: Right? Yes, because
it's all key sin so you don't

866
00:54:54,090 --> 00:54:59,340
you don't really know. So it but
you could also game a different

867
00:54:59,340 --> 00:55:02,880
you know, If we're if we're just
looking at TLVs, which is all

868
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:08,220
I've been doing so far, I
haven't dug into the actual to

869
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:11,430
really get to what you're
talking about. And I wouldn't

870
00:55:11,430 --> 00:55:15,540
have I'd have to dig into the
actual lightning invoice and try

871
00:55:15,540 --> 00:55:19,110
to figure out if there's
anything in there that can this

872
00:55:19,110 --> 00:55:23,190
distinct that I can key on. And
I haven't even got that for you.

873
00:55:24,300 --> 00:55:28,290
So I don't trust the DOB record
at all. Got it. Somebody could

874
00:55:28,290 --> 00:55:31,710
create a command line and just
pump out to vase with all kinds

875
00:55:31,710 --> 00:55:35,340
of fake information that is
completely possible. There's no

876
00:55:35,340 --> 00:55:35,850
way to stop.

877
00:55:36,060 --> 00:55:39,720
Adam Curry: Well, the cool thing
is, there's no prize for being

878
00:55:39,720 --> 00:55:45,780
number one. You don't win
anything. There's nothing you

879
00:55:45,780 --> 00:55:50,070
get. Ah, okay. I understand
everyone's thinking very

880
00:55:50,070 --> 00:55:54,510
simplistically, as as as was I
and I appreciate you explaining

881
00:55:54,510 --> 00:56:01,590
this. I think it would probably
be helpful if we let people look

882
00:56:01,590 --> 00:56:09,270
at this, but that they keep
their pitching to a minimum as

883
00:56:09,270 --> 00:56:12,000
if not at all because already
I've gotten the following

884
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:15,510
booster grams like my brother
Kurt suggested making a chart

885
00:56:15,510 --> 00:56:17,610
system based off how many
wallets have boosted versus how

886
00:56:17,610 --> 00:56:20,130
many SATs they brought in that
way there's no easy way to when

887
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:23,610
interesting averaging all the
different data rather than just

888
00:56:23,610 --> 00:56:26,250
taking a single number like
amount of wallets that donated

889
00:56:26,250 --> 00:56:31,500
interesting. So there's a lot of
people are people want stuff,

890
00:56:31,860 --> 00:56:33,390
but they're gonna get what they
can get.

891
00:56:34,410 --> 00:56:37,830
Dave Jones: So so the, here's
the problem with here's a

892
00:56:37,830 --> 00:56:43,380
problem with key send in and why
I doubt that there's going to be

893
00:56:43,410 --> 00:56:48,810
a way to identify specific
wallets reliably. And if you're

894
00:56:48,810 --> 00:56:55,980
here's, let's let's just throw
this out here. If if anti gaming

895
00:56:56,400 --> 00:57:02,670
of things was was easy, or a
solvable problem, most of the

896
00:57:02,670 --> 00:57:04,950
problems on the internet would
have already gone well who

897
00:57:04,950 --> 00:57:08,580
wouldn't exist? This is not an
easy problem to solve

898
00:57:08,610 --> 00:57:13,260
Adam Curry: right. Now, the good
news is the good news is the

899
00:57:13,260 --> 00:57:18,840
gaming here. only benefits the
artist. Yes, and if they're

900
00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:21,600
gaming themselves, Well, you
know, okay, you just jerking

901
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:25,200
off, congratulations. Because
you really you're really not

902
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:29,760
going to get a prize from me.
Now that said repetition, but I

903
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:33,330
look at the chart today. And
I'll just say what I'm seeing

904
00:57:33,330 --> 00:57:38,790
here. I'm seeing number one,
Corey Keller, it's hard to feel

905
00:57:38,790 --> 00:57:42,540
alive. Number two daydreamer
Ainsley Costello number three

906
00:57:42,540 --> 00:57:45,870
two ships Ainsley Costello then
come to door falls at number

907
00:57:45,870 --> 00:57:50,010
four. Don't forget me then.
Surprising Bryce. At number

908
00:57:50,010 --> 00:57:55,950
five, the bye bye boys home.
longyi at six right in progress

909
00:57:55,950 --> 00:58:00,660
at seven modern Marie signs and
signals at eight lip service

910
00:58:00,660 --> 00:58:05,070
mustache ride my favorite of the
week, Sara Jade Solution

911
00:58:05,070 --> 00:58:09,840
Revolution. This feels to me
like a real chart because I

912
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:14,760
looked a couple of days ago and
I saw Fletcher and Blaney all

913
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:17,340
over the place. Now they have
their first entry number 12.

914
00:58:17,580 --> 00:58:22,080
feels right to me. feels right.
Now these are not these are

915
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:23,880
Dave Jones: totally instant
messages. You're saying this

916
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:25,440
seems to match up with what you

917
00:58:25,500 --> 00:58:28,080
Adam Curry: what I feel what I
feel because I've listened to

918
00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:30,150
everyone's podcast, I've
listened to what everyone's

919
00:58:30,150 --> 00:58:33,360
playing. It feels right, that
there's stuff in here that I

920
00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:37,260
haven't played. And this is a
run of 90 days with a with a

921
00:58:37,260 --> 00:58:39,600
weighting of the last seven
days. Is that what you said?

922
00:58:40,170 --> 00:58:42,720
Dave Jones: That's right. So the
set the seven the last seven

923
00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:46,890
days, should is always going to
be pro is always going to be at

924
00:58:46,890 --> 00:58:47,430
the top.

925
00:58:47,850 --> 00:58:51,510
Adam Curry: Because cherry on
top is number 18 on this chart.

926
00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:54,720
And that's very, it's very
possible. I mean, it's played

927
00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:58,140
out right. It's like everyone's
played it and now it's not

928
00:58:58,140 --> 00:59:00,150
really being played that much
anymore.

929
00:59:00,420 --> 00:59:02,700
Dave Jones: Blush allies read
above that, which makes sense.

930
00:59:02,700 --> 00:59:05,310
Yeah, that one's kind of fallen
off the rotation. Yeah,

931
00:59:05,340 --> 00:59:09,270
Adam Curry: yeah. make sense to
me? Do we? What I've been what

932
00:59:09,270 --> 00:59:11,190
do you think? Should we should
we tell people where they can

933
00:59:11,190 --> 00:59:14,790
find that can just start taking
a look at it and we really have

934
00:59:14,790 --> 00:59:17,610
to change the language at the
top though, because it's

935
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:21,150
Dave Jones: most worth putting
out there because because the

936
00:59:21,390 --> 00:59:22,110
the real

937
00:59:23,010 --> 00:59:24,540
Adam Curry: well, you don't have
the out you don't have any

938
00:59:24,540 --> 00:59:28,860
explanation of the algo that
that needs people need to

939
00:59:28,860 --> 00:59:31,770
understand what the calculation
is based on

940
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:39,600
Dave Jones: the the in regards
to the gaming so the the gaming

941
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:44,640
of this it is sort of like this
this chart is in is is in

942
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:49,590
arrears if you want to think of
it that way. It it's it's

943
00:59:49,590 --> 00:59:51,570
charting things that have
already happened.

944
00:59:51,660 --> 00:59:55,710
Adam Curry: How does Eric pee
pee already find the URL? I was

945
00:59:55,710 --> 00:59:59,130
going to do this as a whole like
is so a solo celebration dash

946
00:59:59,130 --> 00:59:59,580
bag

947
01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:04,020
Dave Jones: The ILS go ahead
until it's go ahead and,

948
01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:07,800
Adam Curry: and okay, first of
all we're going to we're going

949
01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:11,340
to talk about it we're going to
talk about publicly. Okay? I've

950
01:00:11,340 --> 01:00:16,770
gambled that one off. There's
two, two URLs. One is V for V

951
01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:19,770
music 101. I forgot it for
myself. And what was it?

952
01:00:20,279 --> 01:00:21,329
Dave Jones: It's podcast index.

953
01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:24,540
Adam Curry: Top podcast index
dot top is the one I like.

954
01:00:24,540 --> 01:00:27,900
There's also V for v top one
hundred.com. Both go to the same

955
01:00:27,900 --> 01:00:33,750
place. I personally like
podcasts index dot top. For some

956
01:00:33,750 --> 01:00:36,330
reason, it just feels funky. You
know, it's like, wow, that's

957
01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:40,140
weird. And it's easier to
remember podcasts index dot top.

958
01:00:40,650 --> 01:00:43,860
Yeah, this feels like, you know,
what you're gonna see now as

959
01:00:43,860 --> 01:00:46,590
people saying, Hey, that's not
enough. So you've explained that

960
01:00:46,590 --> 01:00:50,040
while the SATs will be more, we
definitely need to put like

961
01:00:50,040 --> 01:00:52,860
doesn't have to be at the top,
somewhere at the bottom. Just

962
01:00:52,860 --> 01:00:58,050
explain how it's calculated what
you just told me. And then of

963
01:00:58,050 --> 01:01:02,190
course, once we can have those
drill downs into, you know, what

964
01:01:02,190 --> 01:01:04,650
podcasts are this sounds like
that's a way off, though,

965
01:01:04,650 --> 01:01:07,650
because that's we're nowhere
near getting to that.

966
01:01:08,070 --> 01:01:10,620
Dave Jones: I've got, I don't
know, it's nowhere near I think

967
01:01:10,620 --> 01:01:15,930
it's I think that part goes
pretty quick. The hard part is

968
01:01:15,930 --> 01:01:21,060
the initial design of how to
aggregate everything so that

969
01:01:21,240 --> 01:01:26,910
it's accurate, right. And I'm
almost finished. I'm sort of

970
01:01:26,910 --> 01:01:30,780
almost finished with that
process. I'm feeling better

971
01:01:30,780 --> 01:01:33,570
about what these numbers look
like, each time I do a run.

972
01:01:33,600 --> 01:01:39,060
Yeah. Because each so so last
night, all the last night, all

973
01:01:39,060 --> 01:01:42,870
of a sudden, I'm like, but
here's the way this progresses,

974
01:01:42,870 --> 01:01:45,960
you know? So you go through, you
do a run, you make some change.

975
01:01:45,990 --> 01:01:48,150
You realize there's some
problems, you make some changes,

976
01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:53,730
fix some bugs. And then you find
out that you're like, Oh, that

977
01:01:53,730 --> 01:01:57,450
looks better. But then something
else looks worse. And you're

978
01:01:57,450 --> 01:02:03,870
like, Okay, wait, what? I know
this. There's no way that cherry

979
01:02:03,870 --> 01:02:06,240
on top only has only has 100
SATs.

980
01:02:06,270 --> 01:02:08,190
Adam Curry: Now, how did that
happen? Yeah. And how did that

981
01:02:08,190 --> 01:02:09,300
happen? Yeah.

982
01:02:09,390 --> 01:02:11,520
Dave Jones: So then you go back
and you look and you're like,

983
01:02:11,550 --> 01:02:17,550
oh, okay, there's another T O V
issue. So like last night, for

984
01:02:17,550 --> 01:02:25,890
instance. I figured out that in
at some point, Steven D must

985
01:02:25,890 --> 01:02:28,620
have made a change. And

986
01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:34,410
Adam Curry: Steven be making a
change his code? No, no, no.

987
01:02:39,510 --> 01:02:40,590
Dave Jones: An ISO for this?

988
01:02:48,210 --> 01:02:48,630
Course.

989
01:02:49,500 --> 01:02:51,750
Adam Curry: Of course, that's
what I love about him. Usually

990
01:02:51,750 --> 01:02:54,270
right before no agenda starts.
Yeah.

991
01:02:56,820 --> 01:03:05,640
Dave Jones: So So at some point,
he made a change. And the the,

992
01:03:05,850 --> 01:03:13,440
what was coming through as the
episode guid was actually not a

993
01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:15,450
text field, but it wasn't an
array.

994
01:03:15,509 --> 01:03:19,949
Adam Curry: Oh, no. Oh, no. So
you have to account for both

995
01:03:19,949 --> 01:03:20,459
now?

996
01:03:20,669 --> 01:03:24,179
Dave Jones: Yes. Yes. Enduring
and an array. All right. Yes, he

997
01:03:24,179 --> 01:03:27,239
thinks did at some point. So I
saw it's like, all of a sudden,

998
01:03:27,239 --> 01:03:30,929
so cov start coming through his
arrays. And I mean, the goo is

999
01:03:30,959 --> 01:03:33,179
right. And then and then they go
back to string. So I'm like,

1000
01:03:33,899 --> 01:03:39,299
okay, workaround. And then, and
then all of a sudden, magically,

1001
01:03:39,449 --> 01:03:43,649
I do another run. And every
everything shifts around and

1002
01:03:43,649 --> 01:03:44,489
things look better.

1003
01:03:44,670 --> 01:03:47,700
Adam Curry: I just want to
mention Ice Cube soup in the

1004
01:03:47,700 --> 01:03:54,090
chat. I liked this. We call this
a velocity chart. I liked it the

1005
01:03:54,090 --> 01:03:59,130
velocity, the velocity of money,
it was the obits velocity. I

1006
01:03:59,130 --> 01:04:02,370
mean, it's literally velocity of
an algorithm that you know, to

1007
01:04:02,370 --> 01:04:06,810
be understood, but it's not most
money or any its velocity. I

1008
01:04:06,810 --> 01:04:10,440
like velocity just as a term. I
mean, it's great marketing, and

1009
01:04:10,440 --> 01:04:13,470
who cares what it means
velocity. This is a velocity

1010
01:04:13,470 --> 01:04:15,120
chart. I like

1011
01:04:15,120 --> 01:04:17,250
Dave Jones: it. Yeah, little
graph, a little graph.

1012
01:04:18,390 --> 01:04:20,790
Adam Curry: At the top, it works
nicely with my velocipede that

1013
01:04:20,790 --> 01:04:21,960
I'm about to ride on

1014
01:04:23,790 --> 01:04:28,590
Dave Jones: this. So that every
time you do a run, which again,

1015
01:04:28,590 --> 01:04:30,630
you know, it takes like half an
hour every time so you have to

1016
01:04:30,630 --> 01:04:35,520
wait a little while and to go
get lots of snacks between runs

1017
01:04:35,820 --> 01:04:40,050
into the each time it gets
something gets better. As I'm

1018
01:04:40,050 --> 01:04:43,050
almost at the end of that
process. I feel like where

1019
01:04:43,320 --> 01:04:47,070
things are beginning to
consistently be feel correct.

1020
01:04:47,490 --> 01:04:49,920
Adam Curry: And this is the
first time I've seen the chart

1021
01:04:49,920 --> 01:04:52,290
because we've been looking at it
for about a week or so we can

1022
01:04:52,290 --> 01:04:57,390
have that it really feels right.
Yeah, I don't know about the

1023
01:04:57,390 --> 01:05:01,740
numbers but just the ranking the
diversity The the velocity VM

1024
01:05:01,740 --> 01:05:04,380
that I would expect when
something catches fire that it's

1025
01:05:04,380 --> 01:05:06,930
going to start moving up our
chart not because of the number

1026
01:05:06,930 --> 01:05:10,650
of sides, but the velocity. And
of course, that's has to go

1027
01:05:10,650 --> 01:05:13,260
along with that this, by the
way, thank you, sir TJ the

1028
01:05:13,260 --> 01:05:17,880
wrathful 33,333, that he's part
of the door falls, etc. Thank

1029
01:05:17,880 --> 01:05:20,250
you for your hard work. Dave.
Adam, everyone involved big

1030
01:05:20,250 --> 01:05:23,220
discussion today. Lots of think
about exciting stuff. And most

1031
01:05:23,220 --> 01:05:26,400
importantly, God bless you both.
Thank you. God bless everybody.

1032
01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:30,600
God bless Steven B. We joke
about him, but we love him. We

1033
01:05:30,600 --> 01:05:35,520
love him. We love him. He Is he
single handedly created pretty

1034
01:05:35,520 --> 01:05:38,220
much all the software that's
make this possible at this

1035
01:05:38,220 --> 01:05:38,640
point.

1036
01:05:39,120 --> 01:05:44,970
Dave Jones: For sure. Yeah. So
going back for a second. Go back

1037
01:05:44,970 --> 01:05:52,080
for a second real quick. And in
the this thing is charting stuff

1038
01:05:52,080 --> 01:05:59,940
that's already happened, right?
It's not you don't get how can I

1039
01:05:59,940 --> 01:06:06,810
say this? You don't get more
money? Or more SATs for having a

1040
01:06:06,810 --> 01:06:10,350
shitty song. That's number one.
No, no, because nobody's going

1041
01:06:10,350 --> 01:06:13,080
to nobody's going to listen to
that and pay you for that.

1042
01:06:13,110 --> 01:06:15,360
Adam Curry: Right? So certainly
not send you a message.

1043
01:06:16,530 --> 01:06:20,250
Dave Jones: Right, exactly. Hey,
really crap. Keep it up. And

1044
01:06:20,250 --> 01:06:23,010
this, that's a good point. This
is actually, so this chart is

1045
01:06:23,010 --> 01:06:25,950
catching boosts and streams
both. It's not just good. Good,

1046
01:06:25,950 --> 01:06:31,110
good. Good. So you've already by
the time you're on this chart,

1047
01:06:31,110 --> 01:06:36,000
people have already played your
song and enjoyed it. Right and

1048
01:06:36,000 --> 01:06:41,610
paid you for it. Right. So that
that's so the gamification while

1049
01:06:41,640 --> 01:06:46,680
yes, it is it is possible to go
to it is very possible to gamify

1050
01:06:46,680 --> 01:06:50,070
the crap out of this and move
yourself up the chart. I mean,

1051
01:06:50,100 --> 01:06:53,640
ultimately, it's not going to
base but like you said, you

1052
01:06:53,640 --> 01:06:56,280
don't get any you don't get
money for being on the chart.

1053
01:06:56,280 --> 01:06:56,490
Right?

1054
01:06:56,490 --> 01:06:59,910
Adam Curry: You don't Yeah,
exactly. It's historical. It's,

1055
01:06:59,940 --> 01:07:04,050
it's almost like when you look
at a chart, a stock trading

1056
01:07:04,050 --> 01:07:06,450
chart, just because what you see
happen in the past doesn't mean

1057
01:07:06,450 --> 01:07:09,300
it's going to work the same way.
The next time you click Buy.

1058
01:07:09,900 --> 01:07:13,230
Yeah, in fact, that rarely does
the opposite.

1059
01:07:13,980 --> 01:07:17,910
Dave Jones: Yeah. And so that
that's that's one thing to just

1060
01:07:17,910 --> 01:07:22,710
one thing to keep in mind. The
other thing is like some pod,

1061
01:07:22,740 --> 01:07:27,570
this is some podcast apps, like
pod fans. Sam, if your list I

1062
01:07:27,570 --> 01:07:32,850
sent Sam a message the other
day, about about about this. So

1063
01:07:32,850 --> 01:07:37,170
the the some some podcast apps
are not sending enough

1064
01:07:37,200 --> 01:07:40,560
information, just base
information to them. Right. So

1065
01:07:40,560 --> 01:07:43,830
one thing we need, like, pod
fans was only sending the

1066
01:07:43,830 --> 01:07:48,780
podcast title or not, that
wasn't so it wasn't sending the

1067
01:07:48,780 --> 01:07:51,960
feed GUID, or the beat ID or it
wasn't some basically sending

1068
01:07:51,990 --> 01:07:54,690
anything else that I could have
been can't just go on title.

1069
01:07:55,320 --> 01:07:57,270
Adam Curry: A bunch of Indian
developers What do you want them

1070
01:07:57,270 --> 01:07:57,360
to?

1071
01:08:01,200 --> 01:08:05,100
Dave Jones: Know? No, Mustafa is
Egyptian always Egyptian.

1072
01:08:05,700 --> 01:08:07,560
Adam Curry: Same thing. Brown
people come on.

1073
01:08:09,090 --> 01:08:13,680
Dave Jones: Yeah, so he goes, so
I sent him that thing. And he's

1074
01:08:13,680 --> 01:08:16,350
like, Yeah, you know, we'll,
we'll jump on this. So cool.

1075
01:08:16,350 --> 01:08:19,770
Like that's, if you're an app
developer, send in the TVs make

1076
01:08:19,770 --> 01:08:26,130
sure that you're at least
sending a base level Yeah, of,

1077
01:08:26,430 --> 01:08:30,240
of identifiable information.
Even if you're not to the point

1078
01:08:30,240 --> 01:08:32,520
where you're ready to send the
remote feed, good remote item

1079
01:08:32,520 --> 01:08:36,270
good yet, at least, at least for
the show. Like if you're playing

1080
01:08:36,270 --> 01:08:40,920
booster game booster Grand Ball,
at least send that feed good or

1081
01:08:40,920 --> 01:08:45,690
feed ID with it. So that I can
then have the information there

1082
01:08:45,690 --> 01:08:51,750
to do the reverse to do to go do
the XML parsing part. God

1083
01:08:51,750 --> 01:08:55,080
because things are getting
missed. Oh, yeah. These numbers

1084
01:08:55,080 --> 01:08:56,190
should be a lot

1085
01:08:56,189 --> 01:08:58,199
Adam Curry: higher. And it's
yeah, they should be and it's

1086
01:08:58,199 --> 01:09:02,909
important because we want people
to know what app was being used.

1087
01:09:03,059 --> 01:09:05,939
I think this is a great
statistic. You know, what what

1088
01:09:05,939 --> 01:09:10,799
apps are are important in this
game, quote unquote game, what

1089
01:09:10,799 --> 01:09:14,129
podcast what episodes and this
is all this as much as much as

1090
01:09:14,129 --> 01:09:18,209
we can get. That's where we
create an incredible discovery

1091
01:09:18,209 --> 01:09:22,319
mechanism. Which is just it's so
meta when you think about it

1092
01:09:22,319 --> 01:09:25,439
because you got DJs discovering
so and I mean, this is where I'm

1093
01:09:25,439 --> 01:09:28,769
going I'm going to this chart
like hey, you know, what is what

1094
01:09:28,769 --> 01:09:31,289
is this song? I haven't seen the
song doesn't hit my radar.

1095
01:09:31,379 --> 01:09:33,629
Someone played it, who played
it, I want to see who played it.

1096
01:09:33,629 --> 01:09:34,499
What else would they play?

1097
01:09:35,520 --> 01:09:37,080
Dave Jones: Now that's an
interesting thing about this

1098
01:09:37,080 --> 01:09:39,780
chart is if you start to scroll
towards the bottom, there's a

1099
01:09:39,780 --> 01:09:43,470
lot of music on here that I have
not aware of. Exactly. I didn't

1100
01:09:43,470 --> 01:09:47,970
even know it existed, like long
way by hurling pixels I think

1101
01:09:47,970 --> 01:09:50,940
that may have been featured on
Michael Newman show

1102
01:09:50,970 --> 01:09:53,250
Adam Curry: Yes, I haven't
played it I know of it. But I

1103
01:09:53,250 --> 01:09:56,910
really only know it from the
chart. No, he was better by

1104
01:09:56,910 --> 01:10:00,390
Friday fresh know that no did
not know that one day not know

1105
01:10:00,390 --> 01:10:05,910
that okay, great name pretty
fresh. Now this updates well

1106
01:10:05,910 --> 01:10:08,550
right now it's updating whenever
you do a run, obviously but what

1107
01:10:08,550 --> 01:10:12,690
is the planned update once a
week once a day? What does it

1108
01:10:12,690 --> 01:10:16,410
mean every night every night
midnight sexy, sexy, sexy, sexy.

1109
01:10:18,600 --> 01:10:19,710
Sexy, sexy.

1110
01:10:20,850 --> 01:10:24,750
Dave Jones: I've been called.
Yes, I can understand. Sirens

1111
01:10:24,750 --> 01:10:29,880
call but just gente no, no yeah,
there's no there's Robert Downey

1112
01:10:29,880 --> 01:10:32,910
but man like quick. Yeah, this I
know this one. I know. Okay. All

1113
01:10:32,910 --> 01:10:36,510
right. There's so and there's a
bunch of stuff on here that

1114
01:10:36,510 --> 01:10:36,840
Yeah,

1115
01:10:36,900 --> 01:10:39,150
Adam Curry: and it's coming from
all kinds of places. This is

1116
01:10:39,150 --> 01:10:41,430
what's beautiful is not just
from wave lake. It's from self

1117
01:10:41,430 --> 01:10:45,660
hosting. Stuff that people are
doing literally themselves or

1118
01:10:45,660 --> 01:10:50,580
doing it through music side.
project.com I love it. Shall we

1119
01:10:50,580 --> 01:10:54,300
till we take I have some
thoughts about tools, which I

1120
01:10:54,300 --> 01:10:57,570
think is important. Next
conversation to have. Shall we

1121
01:10:57,570 --> 01:10:59,670
play a little song just to take
a break take a breather?

1122
01:11:00,240 --> 01:11:02,820
Dave Jones: Oh, I would love to
they would love to play a song

1123
01:11:02,820 --> 01:11:05,160
for this beautiful piece of
technology. Yes

1124
01:11:05,160 --> 01:11:08,730
Adam Curry: technology. And I'm
going to since I spoke to him

1125
01:11:08,730 --> 01:11:11,280
last night and I want to give
them a good experience. I want

1126
01:11:11,280 --> 01:11:16,200
to play a song by Jeff Smith. He
uploaded an entire album and I

1127
01:11:16,200 --> 01:11:18,840
listened to this album I said
Jeff I've never heard they said

1128
01:11:18,870 --> 01:11:22,680
oh yeah, it's from 2009 2009 It
sounds like it's from yesterday.

1129
01:11:22,950 --> 01:11:26,340
Again Jeff Smith the Jeff Smith
sir Jeff Smith just gets up in

1130
01:11:26,340 --> 01:11:30,990
the morning puts on one pant leg
and he and he writes hits and

1131
01:11:30,990 --> 01:11:33,960
they're short and poppy which I
liked. Here's gravity sir Jeff

1132
01:11:33,960 --> 01:11:34,350
Smith

1133
01:11:35,010 --> 01:11:38,520
Unknown: been sitting here
thinking that gravity around the

1134
01:11:38,520 --> 01:11:42,360
universe reaching out and
grabbing it's like gab or things

1135
01:11:42,360 --> 01:11:50,640
pulling me back you been
wondering if it's on reality or

1136
01:11:50,640 --> 01:11:54,810
if somebody there was glad it
means it's like everything's

1137
01:11:54,810 --> 01:11:56,610
cool in the backseat you

1138
01:12:06,690 --> 01:12:13,290
know, Campbell believe because
it's true I've been staring at

1139
01:12:13,290 --> 01:12:18,480
the night sky wondering what's
really keeping me under it. It's

1140
01:12:18,480 --> 01:12:21,480
like everything's calling me
back to you

1141
01:12:36,900 --> 01:12:44,340
don't need to see a test got to
believe in you know, I know that

1142
01:12:44,370 --> 01:12:57,300
you can believe it. Because it's
just close my eyes and see scan

1143
01:12:57,300 --> 01:13:08,370
is everywhere think about
gravity reaching out and

1144
01:13:08,370 --> 01:13:18,330
grabbing me and pulling me back
so you can add gravity

1145
01:13:27,540 --> 01:13:38,970
Adam Curry: you sir Jeff Smith,
gravity gravity gray is

1146
01:13:38,970 --> 01:13:43,020
Unknown: a beautiful piece of
technology. Jay.

1147
01:13:45,420 --> 01:13:51,330
Dave Jones: So here's so here's
the issue. That song, got lots

1148
01:13:51,330 --> 01:13:56,430
of stats, I'm sure. Yeah. But
now after the fact is going to

1149
01:13:56,430 --> 01:14:00,120
be very difficult to attribute
it because the connection

1150
01:14:00,120 --> 01:14:08,340
between the GUID the connection
between what's happening now and

1151
01:14:08,340 --> 01:14:11,520
what gets published later where
I have which is what I have to

1152
01:14:11,520 --> 01:14:13,920
do the attribution on right that
is going to be broken.

1153
01:14:14,010 --> 01:14:17,130
Adam Curry: I'm sorry. Feel bad
enough. You're bad now that I

1154
01:14:17,130 --> 01:14:18,270
played it feel bad.

1155
01:14:18,810 --> 01:14:23,700
Dave Jones: Damn use the this
here's what would fix it

1156
01:14:24,300 --> 01:14:30,180
temporarily in the remote. The
remote feed. If you're not ready

1157
01:14:30,180 --> 01:14:34,170
to do remote feed, good remote
item good. If that's not yet

1158
01:14:34,200 --> 01:14:41,100
work it put the live item guid
in there. Because then at least

1159
01:14:41,100 --> 01:14:45,930
I have the item still in the
live items stay in the database

1160
01:14:45,930 --> 01:14:49,140
for a long time. I can at least
then go back and reverse

1161
01:14:49,140 --> 01:14:49,770
engineer it

1162
01:14:49,800 --> 01:14:52,470
Adam Curry: right. Here's the
good news that this live item

1163
01:14:52,530 --> 01:14:58,050
will stay in the podcast and 2.0
feed for a week. So you can go

1164
01:14:58,050 --> 01:15:01,290
back and and it's invalid Time
splits in there. So hopefully

1165
01:15:01,290 --> 01:15:03,510
that'll help. So

1166
01:15:05,549 --> 01:15:07,799
Dave Jones: with the live items,
not the Vitas was not in the

1167
01:15:07,799 --> 01:15:09,449
live item itself, though, right?

1168
01:15:12,150 --> 01:15:18,270
Adam Curry: No, but what is in
the hold on what I do have you

1169
01:15:18,330 --> 01:15:29,460
there is Hold on a second. I
have the what's the word I'm

1170
01:15:29,460 --> 01:15:34,590
looking for? I have the live
value link is in there. And you

1171
01:15:34,590 --> 01:15:36,450
can get it from the live value
link.

1172
01:15:37,860 --> 01:15:40,410
Dave Jones: Yes, in real time,
though. But I don't think you

1173
01:15:40,410 --> 01:15:43,710
can get back and get it after
the fact. That's like where

1174
01:15:43,710 --> 01:15:45,900
there's a real web. That's like
a real time web socket.

1175
01:15:46,290 --> 01:15:48,420
Adam Curry: But it publishes
into the feed, doesn't it?

1176
01:15:50,850 --> 01:15:52,770
Dave Jones: What comes out of
the socket? Yeah,

1177
01:15:53,280 --> 01:15:56,850
Adam Curry: I have. I have the
live value link. And that that I

1178
01:15:56,850 --> 01:15:59,400
think that's put into when we
take a look. I mean, take a

1179
01:15:59,400 --> 01:16:03,780
look. Where's Steven? Steven B's
got a real job. Apparently, he's

1180
01:16:03,780 --> 01:16:05,010
doing something like work.

1181
01:16:05,490 --> 01:16:07,320
Dave Jones: Occasionally he has
to feed his family Boring,

1182
01:16:07,320 --> 01:16:13,710
Adam Curry: boring. Let me see.
Where's where's the 2.0? Come? I

1183
01:16:13,710 --> 01:16:18,060
don't have this feed. Yeah. I
don't have the hours. It was

1184
01:16:18,060 --> 01:16:19,470
weird. Can you take a look in
the feed?

1185
01:16:19,800 --> 01:16:22,860
Dave Jones: Yeah, it is. Yeah,
there's, yeah, there's there's

1186
01:16:22,860 --> 01:16:25,680
value block in there. But
there's no time splits.

1187
01:16:26,610 --> 01:16:28,800
Adam Curry: But there's no live
value link in that.

1188
01:16:29,670 --> 01:16:32,040
Dave Jones: There is but I'm
just I'm saying that that can't

1189
01:16:32,400 --> 01:16:38,160
after the fact that only is that
only helps you during the live

1190
01:16:38,190 --> 01:16:41,940
event itself after the fact your
kid doesn't get anything useful

1191
01:16:41,940 --> 01:16:42,330
out of it?

1192
01:16:43,890 --> 01:16:45,420
Adam Curry: Oh, I see what
you're saying.

1193
01:16:45,480 --> 01:16:47,400
Dave Jones: You can't query it
for old data.

1194
01:16:47,910 --> 01:16:52,470
Adam Curry: Hold on, hold on,
hold on, hold on. I think if you

1195
01:16:52,470 --> 01:16:55,590
look at well, how about this?
How about if I give you the

1196
01:16:55,620 --> 01:16:59,610
because it's I think it's the
same? Yes, it is. If you it's

1197
01:16:59,610 --> 01:17:06,120
the same hash. As I'm going to
send this to you as the split

1198
01:17:06,120 --> 01:17:09,840
kit, Link. I'm just talking
gobbledygook here, check this

1199
01:17:09,840 --> 01:17:14,040
check the signal. So you see
this, it says split

1200
01:17:14,040 --> 01:17:19,440
kit.com/live. And it has a hash
that ends in DC. So that's the

1201
01:17:19,440 --> 01:17:24,330
same as the as the web hook
thing. And that will have that

1202
01:17:24,330 --> 01:17:26,310
information in there. I think,
well that not have that

1203
01:17:26,310 --> 01:17:31,290
information. I'm just full of
crap. No, no. It was no good.

1204
01:17:31,290 --> 01:17:34,080
It's no good. It's no good.
Okay, I understand the problem.

1205
01:17:34,350 --> 01:17:38,730
Yeah, the good news is Dred
Scott boosted 123,456. And he

1206
01:17:38,730 --> 01:17:43,230
put Jeff Smith in his message.
So if you just do a GREP on

1207
01:17:43,230 --> 01:17:43,830
gravity,

1208
01:17:44,490 --> 01:17:47,610
Dave Jones: yes. Grip all the
song names, you have to put the

1209
01:17:47,610 --> 01:17:50,070
song title in your email.

1210
01:17:51,000 --> 01:17:52,890
Adam Curry: But at least I
understand the problem, I get

1211
01:17:52,890 --> 01:17:54,570
the problem. Alright, so

1212
01:17:55,200 --> 01:17:57,690
Dave Jones: the best way to fix
this is put the remote feed

1213
01:17:57,690 --> 01:18:02,010
good, out of good in the in the
TLV. That way, there's no

1214
01:18:02,010 --> 01:18:03,720
ambiguity. It's all it all just
works

1215
01:18:03,750 --> 01:18:06,270
Adam Curry: cool. It's all
running with scissors. People

1216
01:18:06,270 --> 01:18:10,590
all have it. Now, I want to, I'm
going to do something here that

1217
01:18:10,590 --> 01:18:13,440
I'm suggesting. Well, I'm not
even asking for approval, I'm

1218
01:18:13,440 --> 01:18:19,770
doing it. Because this is, I
mean, for artists is one thing

1219
01:18:19,770 --> 01:18:23,640
we have done, we've always had
this wonderful separation

1220
01:18:23,640 --> 01:18:28,230
between podcast hosts and
podcast apps. And it's very

1221
01:18:28,230 --> 01:18:31,590
interesting, because you know,
sometimes I hear podcast app

1222
01:18:31,590 --> 01:18:34,500
developer saying I should just
be a podcast host. And then I've

1223
01:18:34,500 --> 01:18:37,260
got it all together, you know,
like Spotify with anchor makes

1224
01:18:37,260 --> 01:18:41,310
so much sense. And then I just
heard on the pod news weekly

1225
01:18:41,310 --> 01:18:46,350
review a suggestion that the
podcast standards group, which

1226
01:18:46,410 --> 01:18:49,980
apparently still lives, that,
well, they should do a reference

1227
01:18:49,980 --> 01:18:52,410
app, you know, where they were,
they all get together and do an

1228
01:18:52,410 --> 01:18:56,910
app like Oh, man. So which I
think neither is a really good

1229
01:18:56,910 --> 01:19:00,000
idea personally, but we do have
this lag between what the apps

1230
01:19:00,000 --> 01:19:04,260
develop, and what the hosting
companies make available. And

1231
01:19:04,260 --> 01:19:09,420
this is a really big one.
Because if you look at how the

1232
01:19:09,420 --> 01:19:12,420
split kit operates, which is
really the magic in this, that's

1233
01:19:12,420 --> 01:19:15,600
the only thing that's making
this work, because this split

1234
01:19:15,600 --> 01:19:19,380
kid queries, all of the songs
all the music that's available.

1235
01:19:19,950 --> 01:19:22,470
So you just you go in there and
say, Okay, I want to play this

1236
01:19:22,470 --> 01:19:25,590
song in my show, whether I'm
doing it live like literally on

1237
01:19:25,590 --> 01:19:28,560
the fly, because I know what's
in there, I went in and got Jeff

1238
01:19:28,560 --> 01:19:33,570
Smith in the morning song and I
added into the split kit. So

1239
01:19:33,870 --> 01:19:37,560
when this publishes as a
podcast, that you know, the

1240
01:19:37,560 --> 01:19:40,860
three or like the minute and a
half that I played will actually

1241
01:19:40,860 --> 01:19:44,490
switch to Jeff Smith wallet.
Nice. And I could do that it's

1242
01:19:44,490 --> 01:19:47,610
good enough this tool that I can
do it on the fly, but it's very

1243
01:19:47,610 --> 01:19:52,290
easy to schedule your your show
and to hit you know, hit each

1244
01:19:52,290 --> 01:19:55,740
individual song so it adds that
and then when you're ready to

1245
01:19:55,740 --> 01:19:58,830
publish. If you do it with
sovereign feeds, it actually

1246
01:19:58,860 --> 01:20:02,490
imports it all man logically,
it's all it's all very good. The

1247
01:20:02,490 --> 01:20:07,410
problem is, this has a lot to do
for a hosting company. Either

1248
01:20:07,410 --> 01:20:10,320
they're going to have to
integrate with split kit, and

1249
01:20:10,350 --> 01:20:15,630
you know, and use an API, you
know, will that always work? Who

1250
01:20:15,630 --> 01:20:18,600
knows, you know, when something
goes wrong with a hosting

1251
01:20:18,600 --> 01:20:22,470
company, that's when all hell
breaks loose, because then you

1252
01:20:22,470 --> 01:20:26,880
have to have expensive people
talking to people. And it's all

1253
01:20:26,880 --> 01:20:32,580
about customer service. So I
would like to help deconstruct a

1254
01:20:32,610 --> 01:20:38,400
hosting solution for podcasters.
And we're early enough in the

1255
01:20:38,400 --> 01:20:44,100
game, and that would hopefully
act as one a solution to

1256
01:20:44,100 --> 01:20:48,840
something that hosting companies
can look at and, you know, draw

1257
01:20:48,840 --> 01:20:52,320
their conclusions from. And they
will also, of course, you know,

1258
01:20:52,350 --> 01:20:57,300
fulfill the dream of 10s of
1000s of value for value music

1259
01:20:57,300 --> 01:21:05,250
podcasts. So IPFS, podcasting,
IPFS podcasting dotnet works, it

1260
01:21:05,250 --> 01:21:10,680
works. It works on two levels.
One, technically, it just works.

1261
01:21:11,070 --> 01:21:15,060
I've had zero problems with with
booster gram ball, which I

1262
01:21:15,060 --> 01:21:19,170
started from the get go. And it
also has a payment system in

1263
01:21:19,170 --> 01:21:23,040
there. So everybody who's
participating in hosting, gets a

1264
01:21:23,040 --> 01:21:26,520
little piece feels good. I have
no idea if it's going to even

1265
01:21:26,520 --> 01:21:30,150
out if it's going to be even out
the cost of hosting an IPF and

1266
01:21:30,150 --> 01:21:32,490
an S Note, I don't know doesn't
matter. But at least you don't

1267
01:21:32,490 --> 01:21:34,590
feel like you're just being
leached off of

1268
01:21:35,460 --> 01:21:38,370
Dave Jones: the hosting about
roughly four gigs right now.

1269
01:21:38,519 --> 01:21:43,379
Adam Curry: Brian, Brian shows
you. There's a real problem. And

1270
01:21:44,069 --> 01:21:47,399
James Cridland pointed it out.
And I immediately went into

1271
01:21:47,399 --> 01:21:51,569
action on this. The problem is
the way it is set up because

1272
01:21:51,569 --> 01:21:55,649
none of the podcast apps
actually speak IPFS natively.

1273
01:21:55,859 --> 01:22:01,469
It's all going through one
gateway ipfs.io, which is IPFS

1274
01:22:01,469 --> 01:22:06,839
labs. And honestly, almost every
IPFS solution in the universe

1275
01:22:07,019 --> 01:22:11,189
goes through that gateway. Which
means that yes, while you're

1276
01:22:11,189 --> 01:22:16,589
hosting, you know, you're
hosting gigs and gigs, your

1277
01:22:16,589 --> 01:22:20,759
bandwidth is not actually being
used. If the IPFS labs bandwidth

1278
01:22:20,759 --> 01:22:25,499
is being used, which is part of
the problem, and they can shut

1279
01:22:25,499 --> 01:22:30,059
it off. They can say, hey, this
is a violation, or we don't like

1280
01:22:30,059 --> 01:22:35,699
music, or we're worried or
whatever. So I have tasked Mark

1281
01:22:35,699 --> 01:22:40,379
void zero, to set up an IPFS
gateway on each one of the

1282
01:22:40,469 --> 01:22:48,179
server infrastructure that I own
to create gateways, and I and

1283
01:22:48,179 --> 01:22:52,439
he's going to be working with
Cameron. And I want to create an

1284
01:22:52,439 --> 01:22:57,659
IPFS gateway for value for value
podcasts. Now with that means

1285
01:22:57,689 --> 01:23:01,469
that those gateways have to. So
there's, I think it's

1286
01:23:01,499 --> 01:23:07,139
recommended 5%, whatever it is,
1% has to go to the gateway. So

1287
01:23:07,169 --> 01:23:09,869
we can't be getting a little
piece of it, because it's just

1288
01:23:09,899 --> 01:23:14,009
is too much value that's being
provided. And that 1% is

1289
01:23:14,009 --> 01:23:17,219
supposed to eventually by mark a
new desktop, because he needs

1290
01:23:17,219 --> 01:23:22,079
new desktops. That's, that's my
idea there. That's going to Yes,

1291
01:23:22,229 --> 01:23:26,669
we have enough bandwidth. So
that's not really a problem. In

1292
01:23:26,669 --> 01:23:29,939
fact, it is usually the storage,
that becomes a problem after a

1293
01:23:29,939 --> 01:23:37,019
while. Yes, so I would love to
see sovereign feeds, split kit,

1294
01:23:37,409 --> 01:23:41,879
cast a pod, all of these
different solutions all

1295
01:23:42,059 --> 01:23:46,409
integrate with this IPFS, which
is within our own scissor

1296
01:23:46,409 --> 01:23:50,939
community, so that it will work
out of the box. And you don't

1297
01:23:50,939 --> 01:23:55,829
have to worry about a hosting
company. If you want to go down

1298
01:23:55,829 --> 01:24:00,239
this route, and play in the
sandbox. There's no guarantees,

1299
01:24:00,239 --> 01:24:04,529
there's no helpdesk now, but you
can at least say I want to

1300
01:24:04,529 --> 01:24:09,329
create a value for value music
show, boom, I've got this, I can

1301
01:24:09,359 --> 01:24:12,449
immediately do it with sovereign
feeds, split kids integrates,

1302
01:24:12,479 --> 01:24:15,209
and it all kind of works. And it
automatically gets added to the

1303
01:24:15,209 --> 01:24:16,769
index. And you're good to go.

1304
01:24:17,670 --> 01:24:20,730
Dave Jones: Yeah, that makes
sense. Yeah. Object storage is

1305
01:24:20,730 --> 01:24:23,880
cheap block storage, which is
what this is, is not Yeah,

1306
01:24:23,910 --> 01:24:27,840
exactly. On a VM, you know,
block storage on a cloud cloud

1307
01:24:27,840 --> 01:24:31,080
providers just in their virtual
machines. Those are expensive.

1308
01:24:31,950 --> 01:24:36,210
So that's the you're gonna have
to have you're gonna have to

1309
01:24:36,210 --> 01:24:40,590
have people willing to, you
know, spend spend a little bit

1310
01:24:40,590 --> 01:24:44,340
of money each month in order in
for that you have to be able to

1311
01:24:44,820 --> 01:24:46,350
get some of that back, you know,

1312
01:24:46,590 --> 01:24:49,320
Adam Curry: yeah. So that we all
we already have working

1313
01:24:49,320 --> 01:24:54,660
perfectly well is is the storage
part. And I love it. I see them

1314
01:24:54,660 --> 01:24:57,570
coming in all the time. I get
you know, 20 SATs, 50 SATs,

1315
01:24:57,570 --> 01:25:00,420
whatever it is. Feels really
good. It's like okay, I got my

1316
01:25:00,420 --> 01:25:04,080
Node running, I have no idea
what the actual cost is, to me

1317
01:25:04,080 --> 01:25:07,650
but feels good. The problem is
it was just very weak with the

1318
01:25:07,650 --> 01:25:12,240
gateway. So and this and the,
the infrastructure that we have

1319
01:25:12,240 --> 01:25:15,960
can handle a lot. In fact, I'd
say half of the no agenda stream

1320
01:25:15,960 --> 01:25:20,250
podcasts are already hosted on
and I have no idea. So there's

1321
01:25:20,250 --> 01:25:24,180
plenty of plenty of room. And
you know, he has it all set up.

1322
01:25:24,180 --> 01:25:29,820
So there's no additional cost
to, to the bandwidth for us to

1323
01:25:29,820 --> 01:25:37,890
do this. But I transcribe FM I
want that in there to tie it all

1324
01:25:37,890 --> 01:25:43,020
together, use your elf 402 SATs,
thing, everything, we need a

1325
01:25:43,020 --> 01:25:47,160
place where it ties together to
the people like Alberto and the

1326
01:25:47,160 --> 01:25:51,450
RSS, blue guys, and so they can
see how it all comes together.

1327
01:25:51,450 --> 01:25:54,030
And that there I think there's
an actual model in there, we're

1328
01:25:54,030 --> 01:25:58,710
just gonna do 1% Just to make it
visible. I think there's a real

1329
01:25:58,710 --> 01:26:00,600
model in there for the hosting
companies.

1330
01:26:01,950 --> 01:26:05,730
Dave Jones: Oh, so I haven't
really checked my Hello, Pat,

1331
01:26:05,730 --> 01:26:10,440
since I started hosting IPFS and
RayRay here on top five sets.

1332
01:26:10,920 --> 01:26:13,170
Thank you from pod News Daily
for hosting Patreon. It's

1333
01:26:13,170 --> 01:26:16,680
Patreon exclusive content now in
Spotify via IPFS. Podcasting

1334
01:26:16,710 --> 01:26:18,480
Adam Curry: you go? Cool.

1335
01:26:18,780 --> 01:26:20,790
Dave Jones: That's the first I
haven't I just haven't been

1336
01:26:20,790 --> 01:26:24,480
back. I haven't seen it work.
But I'm evidently getting set.

1337
01:26:25,230 --> 01:26:27,360
Adam Curry: Alex Kane says I
want to see the source code. I

1338
01:26:27,360 --> 01:26:29,520
don't know what he's talking
about. But the

1339
01:26:30,660 --> 01:26:31,470
Dave Jones: what source? Are
you?

1340
01:26:31,740 --> 01:26:33,780
Adam Curry: I don't know what
source he's looking for. He

1341
01:26:33,780 --> 01:26:33,990
doesn't

1342
01:26:35,130 --> 01:26:39,060
Dave Jones: wish I can show you
the source code for the chat to

1343
01:26:39,060 --> 01:26:43,290
me for the charting script, so
that everybody can have a good

1344
01:26:43,290 --> 01:26:43,980
belly laugh.

1345
01:26:44,010 --> 01:26:45,900
Adam Curry: What can you or is
it just too embarrassing?

1346
01:26:45,930 --> 01:26:49,380
Dave Jones: I don't have it. No,
I don't care about that. Man.

1347
01:26:49,380 --> 01:26:52,020
I've been putting code public
for so long. I don't think I'm

1348
01:26:52,020 --> 01:26:55,110
immune to that now. I guess I'll
have it on this machine. I don't

1349
01:26:55,110 --> 01:27:00,420
have access to but now I think I
think that makes sense. I think

1350
01:27:00,420 --> 01:27:03,690
that makes sense. I'm trying to
think of any machines that I may

1351
01:27:03,690 --> 01:27:07,530
have that I may be able to
contribute. You know, well, the

1352
01:27:07,890 --> 01:27:08,520
gateway.

1353
01:27:09,960 --> 01:27:12,510
Adam Curry: Don't worry about
it. This this is this is a good

1354
01:27:12,510 --> 01:27:16,860
gateway. There's three or four
machines that will run it. So

1355
01:27:16,890 --> 01:27:20,310
you know, and it's not trivial,
by the way. Turns out a gateway

1356
01:27:20,310 --> 01:27:22,110
is not entirely trivial.
trivial.

1357
01:27:23,550 --> 01:27:25,680
Dave Jones: That may be that may
be what Alex is talking about

1358
01:27:25,680 --> 01:27:28,740
the gateway source code. I'm
wondering what what Cody is

1359
01:27:28,740 --> 01:27:30,930
using? Is there an open source
game? Yeah. Oh, yeah.

1360
01:27:30,960 --> 01:27:33,870
Adam Curry: Now there's a GitHub
and everything. But it's just

1361
01:27:33,870 --> 01:27:37,560
not trivial. Because you have to
use we will have to use certain

1362
01:27:37,560 --> 01:27:41,760
hashes I think or hashtags or
something so that people don't

1363
01:27:41,760 --> 01:27:44,220
abuse our gateway because we
don't want it to be used for any

1364
01:27:44,250 --> 01:27:47,040
we just want it to be used for
this. Nothing but podcasts.

1365
01:27:47,040 --> 01:27:49,680
Yeah. Not for people backing up
their, you know, their drives or

1366
01:27:49,680 --> 01:27:50,250
whatever.

1367
01:27:51,660 --> 01:27:53,820
Dave Jones: Porn and movie
election. Yeah.

1368
01:27:53,940 --> 01:27:56,310
Adam Curry: So and, and, you
know, and also for value for

1369
01:27:56,310 --> 01:27:58,530
value podcast in general. I
mean, work, it will work for

1370
01:27:58,530 --> 01:28:03,060
that as well. But I just love to
see. We're going to try and

1371
01:28:03,090 --> 01:28:07,710
tighten that gap a little bit
between. Okay, I just use

1372
01:28:07,710 --> 01:28:10,860
sovereign feeds or cast up. It's
always the problem has always

1373
01:28:10,860 --> 01:28:14,250
been the hosting part. Yeah,
that's all it's always the

1374
01:28:14,250 --> 01:28:16,770
problem. And I don't want to be
a host right. Because again, I

1375
01:28:16,770 --> 01:28:22,110
know when it breaks the deal
with this is broken. Sorry. Hang

1376
01:28:22,110 --> 01:28:25,740
in there. Standby. hosting
company is a hand holding

1377
01:28:25,740 --> 01:28:29,850
company. Yeah. Yes, an education
company. It's something very

1378
01:28:29,850 --> 01:28:32,910
different from what I'm
proposing here. But I also want

1379
01:28:32,910 --> 01:28:37,230
to use it to show the model that
this can work. They really can't

1380
01:28:37,230 --> 01:28:38,190
I know it, can.

1381
01:28:41,730 --> 01:28:44,940
Dave Jones: We, you've got a
heart out at 230. And we can't I

1382
01:28:44,940 --> 01:28:48,630
mean, we've got I'm not even I'm
not even a fifth of the way

1383
01:28:48,630 --> 01:28:49,860
through my notes. So

1384
01:28:49,950 --> 01:28:51,450
Adam Curry: what else do you
have? What else gonna have to

1385
01:28:51,450 --> 01:28:53,580
pull it? What else do you have
on your list?

1386
01:28:54,030 --> 01:28:56,070
Dave Jones: Well, I mean, got
talked about the right radio

1387
01:28:56,070 --> 01:29:02,250
medium proposals. Found
supporting both 11 I was gonna

1388
01:29:02,250 --> 01:29:09,570
get the wrong police stats page.
Nos. noster. Labels. Proposal.

1389
01:29:09,660 --> 01:29:12,120
Adam Curry: Oh, my God, I've
hogged everything.

1390
01:29:14,370 --> 01:29:15,900
Dave Jones: I'm just saying I
think we I think we're gonna

1391
01:29:15,900 --> 01:29:18,930
have to punt to next week for
the rest of this because we we

1392
01:29:18,930 --> 01:29:19,740
still got to thank people. Why

1393
01:29:19,740 --> 01:29:21,900
Adam Curry: don't you want to
pick one of those and something

1394
01:29:21,900 --> 01:29:23,700
something one of those we can
talk about,

1395
01:29:24,060 --> 01:29:26,100
Dave Jones: but we get a bunch
of boosts and stuff.

1396
01:29:26,490 --> 01:29:29,190
Adam Curry: But I know that we
may have we may have to punt on

1397
01:29:29,190 --> 01:29:30,870
doing a whole list of boost.

1398
01:29:31,140 --> 01:29:34,890
Dave Jones: Me like to get like
three weeks worth of worth a

1399
01:29:34,920 --> 01:29:40,410
donation stuff to do. And then
the other thing was that there's

1400
01:29:40,410 --> 01:29:43,710
very interesting discussion on
that from Marco in them on the

1401
01:29:43,710 --> 01:29:47,070
accidental tech podcast about
their ad stuff. I've got a whole

1402
01:29:47,070 --> 01:29:50,760
bunch of stuff I wrote down
about the mean, we we can

1403
01:29:50,760 --> 01:29:54,030
definitely talk about that next
week. But the I guess the radio

1404
01:29:54,030 --> 01:29:57,330
proposal, and radio medium
proposal makes sense to talk

1405
01:29:57,330 --> 01:30:05,010
about right now time distance is
in context. Sure. The because

1406
01:30:06,150 --> 01:30:09,180
because it kind of fits with the
live thing. So if you have a

1407
01:30:09,180 --> 01:30:17,490
live only show, like 100% Retro
it makes sense to have a medium

1408
01:30:17,520 --> 01:30:20,370
specifically for that because
that is a unique, it's a unique

1409
01:30:20,370 --> 01:30:25,140
type of thing is a unique con
unique type of content. But I

1410
01:30:25,140 --> 01:30:29,370
guess it makes sense in context
to talk about here because we

1411
01:30:29,370 --> 01:30:35,820
need a way to record boost for
that. You know, cuz we have,

1412
01:30:35,910 --> 01:30:38,310
we're gonna have a few things
we're gonna be charted. You're

1413
01:30:38,310 --> 01:30:41,430
gonna have a live show this
live, but like, I mean, we could

1414
01:30:41,430 --> 01:30:44,190
have a live stream a radio show,
because that's what I'm

1415
01:30:44,190 --> 01:30:47,580
thinking. I mean, the booster
booster grand ball really is a

1416
01:30:49,020 --> 01:30:52,050
it's a radio, it's podcast, but
it's also a radio show.

1417
01:30:52,080 --> 01:30:56,760
Adam Curry: Wow. Okay, so let's
define this because I know what

1418
01:30:56,760 --> 01:31:01,980
I'm thinking radio means is
radio stations who want to

1419
01:31:02,070 --> 01:31:07,260
incorporate this into they want
to incorporate value for value

1420
01:31:07,260 --> 01:31:14,400
into their revenue model. To me,
the way I read the proposal, and

1421
01:31:14,400 --> 01:31:18,660
the way I've heard Sam Sethi
talk about it and and this is

1422
01:31:18,660 --> 01:31:22,650
Alex gates proposed proposed it
right? Yes, I'm, I'm just

1423
01:31:22,650 --> 01:31:27,900
thinking that he is looking at
100%. Retro. And here's the

1424
01:31:27,900 --> 01:31:33,900
problem. And this is a problem.
In general, we're going to

1425
01:31:33,930 --> 01:31:36,360
there's going to be pain with
all this, I'm going to say when

1426
01:31:36,360 --> 01:31:41,730
our pain is coming, this pain is
coming and the pain while I'm

1427
01:31:41,730 --> 01:31:46,260
laughing. And the pain is going
to come from the music industry,

1428
01:31:46,260 --> 01:31:48,840
they are not going to take this
lightly, they are going to see

1429
01:31:48,840 --> 01:31:52,080
what we're doing as an attack.
And they're going to hate us

1430
01:31:52,110 --> 01:31:55,770
they Yeah, because they're going
to see money, money flowing once

1431
01:31:55,770 --> 01:32:00,030
they figure it out. And and I've
already seen covers on wave

1432
01:32:00,030 --> 01:32:05,370
Lake, and I'm going to send my
my prayers to wave lake that

1433
01:32:05,370 --> 01:32:10,140
they understand that covers,
it's a non starter. It's not

1434
01:32:10,140 --> 01:32:14,550
maybe or if he is a non starter,
anything that is licensed that

1435
01:32:14,550 --> 01:32:18,240
is owned by a label, a
publishing company that is

1436
01:32:18,240 --> 01:32:24,000
licensed through ASCAP BMI,
which, and now I'm willing to go

1437
01:32:24,000 --> 01:32:27,540
to bat for that, because I think
that what I do with Bookstagram

1438
01:32:27,540 --> 01:32:33,030
ball, I'm not doing a
performance. It is a physical, a

1439
01:32:33,030 --> 01:32:38,400
physical copy of a song that I'm
making. And so that comes down

1440
01:32:38,400 --> 01:32:42,510
to who owns the master. And in
this case, I'm just going to

1441
01:32:42,510 --> 01:32:45,510
presume that all the all the
songs I play are owned by the

1442
01:32:45,510 --> 01:32:49,200
people who are putting them up
on wave Lake. But if you all of

1443
01:32:49,200 --> 01:32:53,190
a sudden have a radio stream,
and this pain will come to 100%

1444
01:32:53,190 --> 01:32:58,680
Retro to if you're if you're
receiving boosts, then you're

1445
01:32:58,680 --> 01:33:02,400
going to have to pay someone a
piece of that on the back end

1446
01:33:02,400 --> 01:33:07,530
because they're going to come
for it. So the idea of putting

1447
01:33:07,530 --> 01:33:15,000
radio in there. So the way radio
works is you you don't pay the

1448
01:33:15,000 --> 01:33:18,540
publisher you don't pay the
owner of the master you play you

1449
01:33:18,540 --> 01:33:23,490
pay ASCAP BMI so and it's
typically a blanket license, so

1450
01:33:23,490 --> 01:33:26,760
they're going to say, Oh, you
have this extra income? Fine, I

1451
01:33:26,760 --> 01:33:30,390
need a piece of that. That's
that's how they're going to view

1452
01:33:30,390 --> 01:33:39,270
it. So for me, it's really live
stream it's live only. And it's

1453
01:33:39,270 --> 01:33:44,130
not the same as a podcast that
does the podcast live and then

1454
01:33:44,130 --> 01:33:48,060
publishes as a podcast. Because
these radios these radio streams

1455
01:33:48,060 --> 01:33:52,500
I think are typically not
published as a podcast later.

1456
01:33:53,460 --> 01:33:54,900
Okay, does that make sense?

1457
01:33:54,900 --> 01:33:58,890
Dave Jones: Yeah, yeah, I see
that so the radio medium is

1458
01:33:58,890 --> 01:34:04,740
really a medium this says this
says you can what what to expect

1459
01:34:04,740 --> 01:34:08,850
from this feed is nothing but a
single live item Yes. You're

1460
01:34:08,850 --> 01:34:11,640
never going to have a regular
items and this thing is Alex

1461
01:34:11,640 --> 01:34:14,520
Alex leave the chat because I'd
love to add a belt here he

1462
01:34:14,520 --> 01:34:21,060
Adam Curry: bet he ragequit
after I called him out No no,

1463
01:34:21,060 --> 01:34:23,250
no, I don't think so. Don't quit
on me bro.

1464
01:34:23,820 --> 01:34:26,400
Dave Jones: No, I think he I
think okay, I think that makes

1465
01:34:26,400 --> 01:34:30,300
more sense to me now. Cuz I was
thinking it first that it was

1466
01:34:30,300 --> 01:34:37,380
like a it was meant to define a
show a podcast that was going to

1467
01:34:37,380 --> 01:34:41,970
be referencing other podcasts as
its primary function. But now

1468
01:34:41,970 --> 01:34:44,910
it's like well that's it yeah,
that's too far. That's too fuzzy

1469
01:34:44,910 --> 01:34:47,220
though. I mean, you you could go
way down the rabbit hole with

1470
01:34:47,220 --> 01:34:50,220
stuff like that of defining
mediums have all sorts of edge

1471
01:34:50,220 --> 01:34:55,740
cases of of things you know, I
mean, like it what are you gonna

1472
01:34:55,740 --> 01:34:59,850
have a special book book, book
review, review, you know, medium

1473
01:34:59,850 --> 01:35:03,390
time I have ordered he has like,
Yeah, that's probably not right.

1474
01:35:04,320 --> 01:35:07,950
Adam Curry: Where's radio
stream? Now? There's lots of

1475
01:35:07,950 --> 01:35:11,850
talk radio, there's Finance,
Financial radio stations,

1476
01:35:11,850 --> 01:35:15,630
there's all kinds of stuff like
that, which I and for me it's an

1477
01:35:15,630 --> 01:35:19,740
app things like, Okay, I'm in an
app and or even on I love by the

1478
01:35:19,740 --> 01:35:24,210
way who did created who did the
search drop down on the index?

1479
01:35:24,270 --> 01:35:27,180
Yeah, that was Steven Crowder
has been beautiful, beautiful.

1480
01:35:27,180 --> 01:35:30,390
That makes so much sense. Like,
okay, I want to look for a radio

1481
01:35:30,390 --> 01:35:34,830
stream. And I want to listen to
something that's about finance.

1482
01:35:35,190 --> 01:35:39,510
And so I did I searched for it
there, you know, or born Atkins

1483
01:35:39,510 --> 01:35:45,600
surface? Like, I think podcast
addict. Does that already. That

1484
01:35:45,600 --> 01:35:49,530
put me to take a look, I think
it's gonna mean look at my

1485
01:35:49,860 --> 01:35:55,140
collection of apps. I have more
people. It's yeah, podcast

1486
01:35:55,140 --> 01:36:01,590
addict has a separate section
for radio. And in this case,

1487
01:36:01,620 --> 01:36:07,170
radio stations, now it's actual
radio stations. But it would be

1488
01:36:07,200 --> 01:36:11,130
something like that for a
podcast app to surface. You

1489
01:36:11,130 --> 01:36:15,840
know? live radio streams. make
sense to me.

1490
01:36:16,590 --> 01:36:18,660
Dave Jones: Okay, well, let me
throw let me throw this twist at

1491
01:36:18,660 --> 01:36:28,440
you. Okay. So, I find it
painful. Every week when I see.

1492
01:36:31,050 --> 01:36:35,400
I don't want to see the
accidental tech podcast post on

1493
01:36:35,430 --> 01:36:36,420
mastodon.

1494
01:36:36,450 --> 01:36:38,460
Adam Curry: Yeah, we're going
live and you can't get it in

1495
01:36:38,460 --> 01:36:42,720
your app. I hear your pain. I
share that. Yes.

1496
01:36:42,750 --> 01:36:44,730
Dave Jones: It's like we're
going live in 30 minutes. And

1497
01:36:44,730 --> 01:36:46,830
then you'd have another post
that says we're live now. I'm

1498
01:36:46,830 --> 01:36:50,160
like, Oh, just put it in the
feed? Yeah. Put it in the feed.

1499
01:36:50,190 --> 01:36:58,530
Yeah. So like, what if there was
a feed? That and again, I've I

1500
01:36:58,530 --> 01:37:02,490
was tempted to just send a pod
ping all out to create a bot, to

1501
01:37:02,490 --> 01:37:05,820
just watch for that signal that
watch for that to to come

1502
01:37:05,820 --> 01:37:09,390
through and send a pod ping on
their behalf? Just in a pub

1503
01:37:09,390 --> 01:37:12,690
paying for this? I don't see why
it isn't? I could but it

1504
01:37:12,690 --> 01:37:15,660
doesn't. But the apps verify
against the RSS feed and

1505
01:37:16,710 --> 01:37:20,340
validate. Right? So here's,
here's the, this leads me to a

1506
01:37:20,340 --> 01:37:25,530
question. If there was a
separate podcast feed, in this

1507
01:37:25,560 --> 01:37:31,500
instance, called ATP live, that
had only it was a radio medium.

1508
01:37:32,070 --> 01:37:36,660
And it had only a live item in
it with the next estimated

1509
01:37:36,660 --> 01:37:44,100
scheduled live date. And then
there's a bot that updated that

1510
01:37:45,120 --> 01:37:48,690
with the appropriate data. And
then pod paint. It's now it's

1511
01:37:48,690 --> 01:37:52,410
pod pinging itself. You see,
it's like a it's like a second

1512
01:37:52,410 --> 01:37:56,040
port. It's like a third party
feed referencing this other

1513
01:37:56,070 --> 01:37:59,940
podcast. And it's basically
doing it on his behalf. But

1514
01:37:59,940 --> 01:38:04,050
there's only ever it's only
meant for live, right? So it's

1515
01:38:04,050 --> 01:38:06,570
going to be that radio medium,
right?

1516
01:38:11,730 --> 01:38:14,400
Or does it have to be a 24 hour
live stream?

1517
01:38:16,200 --> 01:38:19,170
Adam Curry: That's when you say
radio? That's what that means to

1518
01:38:19,170 --> 01:38:23,790
me. I mean, I don't I don't want
to be writing the law here. I

1519
01:38:23,790 --> 01:38:27,990
also don't think that, hey, if
ATP doesn't want to use the lip

1520
01:38:27,990 --> 01:38:31,980
protocol, then I don't want to
use lip protocol is fine. No,

1521
01:38:31,980 --> 01:38:32,220
no,

1522
01:38:32,220 --> 01:38:34,290
Dave Jones: I'm gonna be sure
that I just had that. Now I just

1523
01:38:34,290 --> 01:38:37,620
had that thought in my head,
like, would that be something

1524
01:38:37,620 --> 01:38:40,200
that would still be alive thing?
Well, I could see where people

1525
01:38:40,200 --> 01:38:42,540
might want to do that for shows
that they enjoy.

1526
01:38:42,570 --> 01:38:46,920
Adam Curry: Let's look at a real
world complicated example. Okay,

1527
01:38:46,950 --> 01:38:54,360
no agenda stream. That, to me is
a radio stream, a radio feed.

1528
01:38:55,530 --> 01:39:00,750
It's 24/7. It's a mix of live
pre recorded stuff. We're using

1529
01:39:00,750 --> 01:39:05,640
it right now. That is that, to
me is radio, it's 24 hours a

1530
01:39:05,640 --> 01:39:10,620
day. Now, the schedule is very
loosey goosey. But that's the

1531
01:39:10,620 --> 01:39:14,730
kind of thing that would
actually be interesting. And a

1532
01:39:14,730 --> 01:39:18,450
lot of people have looked it
nodes in the stream.com is a

1533
01:39:18,450 --> 01:39:23,640
beautiful community project. And
it's mainly bemrose who is

1534
01:39:24,060 --> 01:39:29,160
managing it. And and it's very
complicated because you know,

1535
01:39:29,160 --> 01:39:32,760
people have to get MP threes to
him or he has to get them. I

1536
01:39:32,760 --> 01:39:35,850
don't know how much is automated
people jump in. I mean, I've cut

1537
01:39:35,850 --> 01:39:38,640
in and accidentally cut someone
off. There's all kinds of stuff

1538
01:39:38,640 --> 01:39:43,440
going on. But in combination
with POD ping, that would be a

1539
01:39:43,440 --> 01:39:49,380
beautiful example of a modern
radio feed. So it's not based on

1540
01:39:49,380 --> 01:39:52,500
a schedule because it's very
loose like no agenda. Oh, maybe

1541
01:39:52,500 --> 01:39:55,320
we ended this time. Maybe we
ended that time. But the minute

1542
01:39:55,320 --> 01:39:59,520
we end and the next show starts
popping, boom. If you're

1543
01:39:59,550 --> 01:40:03,030
subscribed vibe to that medium
equals radio, it should tell

1544
01:40:03,030 --> 01:40:06,000
you, hey, a new show was
started. And with that, it

1545
01:40:06,000 --> 01:40:10,230
should be sucking in value
blogs, all kinds of stuff. Not I

1546
01:40:10,230 --> 01:40:13,290
mean, it's it's like organized
chaos. Basically,

1547
01:40:14,070 --> 01:40:16,440
Dave Jones: I thought at one
point that the no agenda stream

1548
01:40:16,440 --> 01:40:20,910
had a feed and an RSS feed, but
I don't see it. And I may be

1549
01:40:20,910 --> 01:40:24,300
kidding. That would be, that
would be a way to that would be

1550
01:40:24,300 --> 01:40:25,800
a good sandbox for this,

1551
01:40:26,130 --> 01:40:29,670
Adam Curry: I think would be a
fantastic sandbox. Because,

1552
01:40:30,270 --> 01:40:35,490
again, looking forward, I'm not
so interested in the guy who

1553
01:40:35,490 --> 01:40:39,780
manages Radio One for the BBC,
I'm more interested in bemrose

1554
01:40:40,140 --> 01:40:45,180
who's managing this chaos of God
knows whatever sama and I don't

1555
01:40:45,180 --> 01:40:51,690
even know how he finds the time.
But the only thing we have right

1556
01:40:51,690 --> 01:40:55,380
now is look when I go live,
boom, pod ping, we're live

1557
01:40:55,650 --> 01:40:58,680
people automatically tune in
they're switched in but to be

1558
01:40:58,680 --> 01:41:02,700
able to just have that thing on
or go into at any time and the

1559
01:41:02,700 --> 01:41:06,450
hat know exactly what's playing
maybe have a what's next even

1560
01:41:06,450 --> 01:41:11,490
though it's not dictated by time
and then value blocks changing.

1561
01:41:11,970 --> 01:41:16,050
I mean, that's a modern radio
station. To me a modern radio

1562
01:41:16,050 --> 01:41:19,350
station is an aggregate as a
community of people who are

1563
01:41:19,350 --> 01:41:24,720
doing feeds doing shows live pre
recorded music, the schedule is

1564
01:41:24,720 --> 01:41:30,090
impossible. So somehow this this
radio medium medium equals radio

1565
01:41:30,270 --> 01:41:34,980
will enable the app to at least
give you some semblance of

1566
01:41:34,980 --> 01:41:38,940
what's happening and some way to
provide value back etc and to

1567
01:41:38,940 --> 01:41:42,600
have the links to different
websites and whatever you know

1568
01:41:42,600 --> 01:41:47,160
what I mean and yeah, integrate
in the hosts and the you know,

1569
01:41:47,160 --> 01:41:53,130
the people tag and all of that
stuff. Yeah Steven Steven Be

1570
01:41:53,130 --> 01:41:54,720
just joined Great show everybody

1571
01:42:00,180 --> 01:42:03,240
Dave Jones: there's an ISO for
the what's for dinner. Yes. Oh

1572
01:42:07,500 --> 01:42:13,050
what's for dinner? Yeah. Okay,
we seriously gotta thanks for

1573
01:42:13,050 --> 01:42:15,150
people because we were getting
low on time. Let me

1574
01:42:15,210 --> 01:42:17,970
Adam Curry: let me thank thank a
couple people have been boosting

1575
01:42:17,970 --> 01:42:20,490
live first of all, if you don't
mind, we'll do those right up

1576
01:42:20,490 --> 01:42:27,810
front. Mr. Robot 7777 V for V
for technolo. gy. Eric P. P.

1577
01:42:27,810 --> 01:42:33,480
33,333. Fletcher. You guys are
music 2.0 Pioneers with 3333

1578
01:42:33,930 --> 01:42:38,700
We've got blueberry 77 and 77
Damn you gravity always bringing

1579
01:42:38,700 --> 01:42:42,030
me down. Dred Scott 123456 their

1580
01:42:43,110 --> 01:42:46,890
Unknown: shot calm Sakala 20 is
Blaze only Impala

1581
01:42:46,920 --> 01:42:50,850
Adam Curry: welcoming sir Jeff
Smith to the booster to the

1582
01:42:50,880 --> 01:42:56,550
value for value music blueberry
with 17,776 we encountered

1583
01:42:56,550 --> 01:43:00,120
unusual scenario I wanted to
take our pre shows and enable

1584
01:43:00,120 --> 01:43:04,260
wallet switching technology. Of
course. I added these new items

1585
01:43:04,260 --> 01:43:07,170
to our main feed and posted them
along with the regular episodes

1586
01:43:07,170 --> 01:43:09,780
and no agenda stream is going to
take the most recent item in the

1587
01:43:09,780 --> 01:43:13,770
feed meaning one would get
skipped everything is groovy now

1588
01:43:13,770 --> 01:43:17,400
Okay, thanks. Bam dog dude. I
have no idea what you're talking

1589
01:43:19,860 --> 01:43:22,680
about Uber Eats like and I love
that about blueberry because

1590
01:43:22,680 --> 01:43:27,420
there they are running with
hedge shears over there as crazy

1591
01:43:27,420 --> 01:43:28,530
Dave Jones: Flowbee is running
with

1592
01:43:30,660 --> 01:43:33,870
Adam Curry: Curtis drums 1500
SATs Is there any data involved

1593
01:43:33,870 --> 01:43:37,680
for plays play time simply or do
you only see the data of boosts

1594
01:43:37,680 --> 01:43:40,650
and such well as you heard
Curtis drums? We really have

1595
01:43:40,650 --> 01:43:47,160
nothing. So we're well yeah,
play time bro. No, no, that's

1596
01:43:47,160 --> 01:43:50,580
gonna be very that's that's not
happening. We'd love to have

1597
01:43:50,580 --> 01:43:51,780
some of that but now that's not

1598
01:43:51,780 --> 01:43:54,150
Dave Jones: deeply invasive into
the app and then I'm gonna send

1599
01:43:54,150 --> 01:43:56,280
this rude ward 3333

1600
01:43:56,280 --> 01:43:58,590
Adam Curry: Yes Steven B's an
animal good stuff being cooked

1601
01:43:58,590 --> 01:44:03,690
up here excited for the future V
for V keep up the crap sir TJ

1602
01:44:03,690 --> 01:44:07,290
the raffle we already read his
but it was 33,333 Thanks for the

1603
01:44:07,290 --> 01:44:09,690
hard work Dave Nam everybody
involved big discussion. They'd

1604
01:44:09,690 --> 01:44:12,450
love to think about exciting
stuff God bless you. Thank you

1605
01:44:12,450 --> 01:44:15,660
sir. Curtis drums again
interesting averaging all that

1606
01:44:15,660 --> 01:44:18,870
different data rather than just
taking a some single number like

1607
01:44:18,870 --> 01:44:21,570
amount of wallets that donated
very interesting you were trying

1608
01:44:21,810 --> 01:44:26,730
it's called Velocity. Let's see
we have Mr. Robot again. Good to

1609
01:44:26,730 --> 01:44:29,970
hear that was 7777 Good to hear
the pod stage and pod father

1610
01:44:29,970 --> 01:44:32,940
back together again was missing
the weekly V for V running with

1611
01:44:32,940 --> 01:44:37,890
scissor updates. Dave heard some
rumblings of sem cert. STEM

1612
01:44:37,890 --> 01:44:43,860
cert. STM S R T noster. Music
that will change the music

1613
01:44:43,860 --> 01:44:49,740
industry. Okay, I have no idea
stems. STM e r s. I guess it's a

1614
01:44:49,740 --> 01:44:51,930
Nasir thing that's going to
change the music industry.

1615
01:44:53,010 --> 01:44:57,060
Because he says lmao apples to
oranges but it was service

1616
01:44:57,060 --> 01:45:00,150
booster gram and those creating
their own like this is the Way

1617
01:45:00,150 --> 01:45:02,940
to go thank you for I think it's
a way to go as well. I mean,

1618
01:45:02,940 --> 01:45:06,120
we're seeing the difference.
Like all of a sudden we've got

1619
01:45:06,570 --> 01:45:12,480
music podcasts and everyone's
waking up 5000 SATs. Another

1620
01:45:12,480 --> 01:45:15,570
Curtis drums came up with the
song ranked by amount of wallets

1621
01:45:16,050 --> 01:45:19,020
that have donated idea and
shared it on Norwegian socialist

1622
01:45:19,020 --> 01:45:21,480
want to give myself a shout out
yeah, you're great Curtis is

1623
01:45:21,480 --> 01:45:27,060
your shout out. Clip custodian
Hello clip custodian 100,000

1624
01:45:28,260 --> 01:45:31,050
Unknown: Shot Carla 20 is Blaze
only

1625
01:45:32,040 --> 01:45:34,530
Adam Curry: says Love y'all both
and he wishes me a happy

1626
01:45:34,530 --> 01:45:40,020
birthday which is this Sunday.
Thank you, Fletcher 15,480

1627
01:45:40,020 --> 01:45:44,610
Everything is lit mofos much
love me amigos. Dred Scott again

1628
01:45:44,610 --> 01:45:49,710
with 120,456 welcoming us back
miss you guys. Well, Dave and

1629
01:45:49,710 --> 01:45:53,130
Adam. Dave since Adam did every
other podcast Okay, sorry.

1630
01:45:57,060 --> 01:46:00,840
Burberry 6969 Me doodles on the
boardroom whiteboard with a

1631
01:46:00,840 --> 01:46:07,620
Sharpie. Yes. Thank you
anonymous anonymous 55,555. And

1632
01:46:08,100 --> 01:46:12,780
that is it. That's the ones we
got some

1633
01:46:13,620 --> 01:46:16,200
Dave Jones: even basic if you
have any problem noster cells.

1634
01:46:18,240 --> 01:46:24,060
Adam Curry: That's right. Sure
does. Should we do the papers

1635
01:46:24,060 --> 01:46:27,150
first? I'm sure we have some
people that think there and and

1636
01:46:27,150 --> 01:46:29,700
then maybe the top booster
grams, because it's gonna be it

1637
01:46:29,700 --> 01:46:32,190
might be just too much in
general. Thank everybody from

1638
01:46:32,190 --> 01:46:36,000
three weeks. I don't know. Tell
me. Yeah,

1639
01:46:36,030 --> 01:46:39,510
Dave Jones: we'll give it we'll
give it a good go. Yeah. Marco.

1640
01:46:39,540 --> 01:46:40,890
$500. Yeah.

1641
01:46:42,360 --> 01:46:46,020
Unknown: Carla 20 is Blaze.
Omaha. I'm Paula. Thank

1642
01:46:46,020 --> 01:46:48,240
Adam Curry: you so much, ma'am.
Thank you. We'd love to take you

1643
01:46:48,240 --> 01:46:48,600
lit.

1644
01:46:49,080 --> 01:46:52,410
Dave Jones: Yeah, yeah, for
sure. And it means a lot because

1645
01:46:52,410 --> 01:46:55,290
I know there have been other
donations and stuff are down. So

1646
01:46:55,290 --> 01:46:56,310
appreciate that. We'd

1647
01:46:56,310 --> 01:46:59,820
Adam Curry: like to help them
get more money. Live booths, can

1648
01:46:59,820 --> 01:47:03,240
you imagine that? That could do
that could make a difference for

1649
01:47:03,240 --> 01:47:03,660
them.

1650
01:47:05,880 --> 01:47:07,800
Dave Jones: Buzzsprout you just
walked right over that

1651
01:47:07,800 --> 01:47:08,640
Adam Curry: comment? I love it.

1652
01:47:10,440 --> 01:47:15,150
Dave Jones: It it needed no
comment? Yes. Buzzsprout not

1653
01:47:15,150 --> 01:47:19,860
only sent me a road caster duo,
but they sent us $500

1654
01:47:21,360 --> 01:47:24,900
Adam Curry: Thank you. Thank you
so much. I love those guys.

1655
01:47:24,990 --> 01:47:28,410
Really is look. It's not the
lightning community that's

1656
01:47:28,410 --> 01:47:31,770
keeping us alive. I'll tell you
that. It's the podcast hosting

1657
01:47:31,770 --> 01:47:32,430
community.

1658
01:47:32,759 --> 01:47:37,019
Dave Jones: Yes. No, thank God
because we we had we had a $200

1659
01:47:37,019 --> 01:47:40,799
a month PayPal. Donation. They
didn't drop. So we're this is

1660
01:47:40,829 --> 01:47:44,759
Ooh. Yeah. Yeah, this is this is
good. It's good to see Yes. To

1661
01:47:44,759 --> 01:47:48,899
see things continuing here.
Yeah, we did get a one timer, a

1662
01:47:48,899 --> 01:47:54,419
$50 donation through PayPal from
David Marcel can Novus Oh, thank

1663
01:47:54,419 --> 01:47:57,809
you says thanks for all the work
and podcast index and 2.0. And

1664
01:47:57,809 --> 01:48:00,479
sorry for the trouble with KDE
express more refresh would be

1665
01:48:00,479 --> 01:48:03,299
needed while all with with all
tests we are doing with

1666
01:48:03,299 --> 01:48:04,019
transcripts

1667
01:48:04,050 --> 01:48:10,110
Adam Curry: go yes. All right.
I'm so sad that I love what

1668
01:48:11,520 --> 01:48:15,840
Nathan is doing with
transcribe.fm. But he does he's

1669
01:48:15,840 --> 01:48:18,570
not able to do the automatic
host detection.

1670
01:48:20,400 --> 01:48:22,080
Dave Jones: I don't know what
your what do you mean host

1671
01:48:22,080 --> 01:48:22,770
section? Yeah,

1672
01:48:22,800 --> 01:48:24,420
Adam Curry: no, no speaker
detection?

1673
01:48:24,839 --> 01:48:25,799
Dave Jones: Oh, that.

1674
01:48:26,759 --> 01:48:29,099
Adam Curry: Can I really want to
send my money to him?

1675
01:48:29,460 --> 01:48:32,070
Dave Jones: Is it a limitation
of the back end that he's using

1676
01:48:32,070 --> 01:48:32,250
this?

1677
01:48:32,730 --> 01:48:35,940
Adam Curry: I think it's just
the you know that it can't do

1678
01:48:35,940 --> 01:48:39,360
it. You know, it's not easy. By
the way. It's not a simple thing

1679
01:48:39,360 --> 01:48:43,980
to do. involves manual work,
because I just don't I don't

1680
01:48:43,980 --> 01:48:46,980
want to break pod friend and
people who are counting on him

1681
01:48:46,980 --> 01:48:49,110
now by taking Yeah,

1682
01:48:49,170 --> 01:48:51,690
Dave Jones: it's got the little
the little heads popping up.

1683
01:48:51,720 --> 01:48:54,900
Yeah, it's cute. It's cute. It's
cute goodies.

1684
01:48:54,900 --> 01:48:56,580
Adam Curry: I like it. All
right, we

1685
01:48:56,580 --> 01:48:58,530
Dave Jones: got some boosts
let's dive in here. We got to

1686
01:48:58,890 --> 01:49:03,300
pay citizen. 6969 says boosting
for the future. Yeah. Thank you.

1687
01:49:03,330 --> 01:49:09,450
Thank you. 33 Thank you. Chad.
Gets tone record 22,000 sets

1688
01:49:10,080 --> 01:49:15,000
before the break loading up.
Thank you. Thank God been 2222

1689
01:49:15,000 --> 01:49:18,960
Thank you. Jane bean says props
to Mitch and pod verse. Team for

1690
01:49:18,960 --> 01:49:25,830
a great boost interface on iOS.
Yeah. RW Nash and it's 3333 says

1691
01:49:25,830 --> 01:49:28,680
greetings from Gitmo nation
taffy. What does get mo nation

1692
01:49:28,680 --> 01:49:29,160
Taffy

1693
01:49:29,190 --> 01:49:29,970
Adam Curry: taffy?

1694
01:49:30,540 --> 01:49:33,810
Dave Jones: I see the flag emoji
but it is so tiny. I cannot

1695
01:49:33,810 --> 01:49:34,350
happy

1696
01:49:34,350 --> 01:49:39,270
Adam Curry: I wonder is that
what is it Bucha I don't know

1697
01:49:39,270 --> 01:49:40,230
where that you taffy.

1698
01:49:40,740 --> 01:49:43,800
Dave Jones: What is this? What
is this emoji? Maybe I wonder if

1699
01:49:43,800 --> 01:49:47,610
I can copy this out into the
chat and see if somebody else

1700
01:49:47,610 --> 01:49:48,810
can can

1701
01:49:49,230 --> 01:49:53,820
Adam Curry: can get to see if
say emoji even works. Okay, I

1702
01:49:53,820 --> 01:49:53,970
got

1703
01:49:55,110 --> 01:49:56,520
Dave Jones: that posted into the

1704
01:49:56,580 --> 01:49:59,550
Adam Curry: into the but I got a
whole bunch of square blocks

1705
01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:02,370
Okay, well, my client doesn't
get it.

1706
01:50:03,810 --> 01:50:07,290
Dave Jones: See? Thank you RTB
Nash appreciate that Franco,

1707
01:50:07,560 --> 01:50:10,200
buddy from CAST ematic 10,000
says, Thanks, Franco.

1708
01:50:10,230 --> 01:50:12,810
Adam Curry: I gotta tell
Franco's in Italy right? Yeah.

1709
01:50:13,500 --> 01:50:17,880
So I don't know if I told you
this but podcasting in Italy is

1710
01:50:18,120 --> 01:50:21,720
poppin it's breakout pee
everybody's pod talking about

1711
01:50:21,720 --> 01:50:22,980
podcasting all of a sudden.

1712
01:50:24,360 --> 01:50:26,490
Dave Jones: Oh, that's the whale
the flag of whales.

1713
01:50:27,210 --> 01:50:29,310
Adam Curry: Oh, Taffy. Yeah.
Okay.

1714
01:50:30,390 --> 01:50:32,790
Dave Jones: Yeah, pilot says a
pod podcast easy Mo.

1715
01:50:33,660 --> 01:50:37,860
Adam Curry: But no good Podcast,
the podcast where you do? We

1716
01:50:37,860 --> 01:50:41,490
checked in the hotel. The
manager came out. Mr. Korea Hey,

1717
01:50:41,490 --> 01:50:42,390
you do a podcast?

1718
01:50:44,160 --> 01:50:46,650
Dave Jones: Yeah, the word get
around. Oh, yeah. Nope.

1719
01:50:46,650 --> 01:50:48,540
Adam Curry: Did like we have
some wine for your curry in the

1720
01:50:48,540 --> 01:50:52,470
keeper podcast. Because I guess
Spotify maybe promoting

1721
01:50:52,470 --> 01:50:56,160
podcasting there but some I
think some Twitch guys start

1722
01:50:56,160 --> 01:50:59,160
doing podcasts is just one of
those things. Podcasting is

1723
01:50:59,160 --> 01:51:02,580
booming in Italy. So I
everywhere I went I said hey,

1724
01:51:02,670 --> 01:51:06,480
there's an Italian podcast that
made by an Italian it's cast

1725
01:51:06,480 --> 01:51:09,660
thematic and it kicks butt. So I
was promoting it.

1726
01:51:10,110 --> 01:51:12,000
Dave Jones: We got boots on the
ground. This isn't his sort of

1727
01:51:12,000 --> 01:51:16,830
do you get an insurgency? Yeah,
Italy. Podcast insurgency.

1728
01:51:17,010 --> 01:51:18,540
Adam Curry: Podcasts insurgency.

1729
01:51:18,870 --> 01:51:24,150
Dave Jones: Yes. Golden Dragon
son is 2222 Road ducks. He says

1730
01:51:24,150 --> 01:51:26,490
on the topic of the for V what
would stop us from doing this

1731
01:51:26,490 --> 01:51:29,670
for something like blogging?
Well, nothing we've actually

1732
01:51:29,670 --> 01:51:33,120
talked about that point of time
that will Sam Sethi is working

1733
01:51:33,120 --> 01:51:40,980
on that. Yeah, look at pod
Golden Dragon. I'll see ya. Gone

1734
01:51:40,980 --> 01:51:44,100
dragon CISM boosted in great
tune 2222 Thank you Golden

1735
01:51:44,100 --> 01:51:48,420
Dragon nice, mere mortals
podcast or buddy Karen 2222. To

1736
01:51:48,420 --> 01:51:51,330
find out and he says such a
tease to come back for one week

1737
01:51:51,420 --> 01:51:54,720
and then go away for even
longer. Well. We didn't even

1738
01:51:54,720 --> 01:51:56,760
come back for one week. No we
live

1739
01:51:56,880 --> 01:51:59,460
Adam Curry: we didn't we didn't
lie we miscalculated.

1740
01:52:00,300 --> 01:52:03,900
Dave Jones: Enjoy your vacation.
Adam hope you had a blast. Joel

1741
01:52:03,900 --> 01:52:08,400
who are secondary central
Richards 1111 through curio

1742
01:52:08,400 --> 01:52:13,500
caster thinking. Nashville. BTC
Santa Elena who that is seems

1743
01:52:13,500 --> 01:52:18,360
3333 Thank you. He says I saw
this on noster. Any thoughts on

1744
01:52:18,360 --> 01:52:21,240
this? I don't know what you open
this link.

1745
01:52:21,270 --> 01:52:22,770
Adam Curry: What is the link?
It's a nostril

1746
01:52:22,800 --> 01:52:25,920
Dave Jones: LinkedIn nostril
band. What is that? I don't

1747
01:52:25,920 --> 01:52:31,200
know. Okay, this is great. This
is from Fia, Jeff, founding

1748
01:52:31,200 --> 01:52:36,900
member of the Ellen URL mafia.
Nos RSS. This is his node RSS is

1749
01:52:36,900 --> 01:52:41,910
stupid, because you can't link
to one specific RSS entry. All

1750
01:52:41,910 --> 01:52:44,820
these years podcasts have been
distributed with RSS but every

1751
01:52:44,820 --> 01:52:47,970
single time someone wants to
link to a specific episode, they

1752
01:52:47,970 --> 01:52:51,540
must hope the author has a URL
for that episode. They can link

1753
01:52:51,540 --> 01:52:54,870
to or they will link instead to
a page in the service that hosts

1754
01:52:54,870 --> 01:52:59,070
the podcast or on YouTube or god
forbid Spotify. noster fixes

1755
01:52:59,070 --> 01:52:59,430
this

1756
01:53:01,530 --> 01:53:03,300
Adam Curry: Okay, all right.
Great. Thanks.

1757
01:53:04,860 --> 01:53:11,160
Dave Jones: Moving moving along.
Yeah. Those are my thoughts on

1758
01:53:11,160 --> 01:53:17,130
it. My thoughts are that career
advice Chad? Especially Richards

1759
01:53:17,160 --> 01:53:22,050
a big 11111 He says this tune is
a real toe Tapper. Great jokes

1760
01:53:22,050 --> 01:53:23,850
and means a nice boost remix
Adam,

1761
01:53:24,179 --> 01:53:26,999
Adam Curry: go Oh, you're
welcome. I aim to please.

1762
01:53:27,719 --> 01:53:30,869
Dave Jones: A battery of ES chat
also sent a Mega Rush boost

1763
01:53:30,869 --> 01:53:35,549
21 112 through fountain he says
this boost is the seed funding

1764
01:53:35,789 --> 01:53:39,569
for the boosts are protected
speech legal fund. Please don't

1765
01:53:39,569 --> 01:53:42,179
miss appropriate the funds by
writing off hookers in business

1766
01:53:42,179 --> 01:53:42,659
expenses.

1767
01:53:42,690 --> 01:53:45,480
Adam Curry: That's right. That's
right. That's right. Money

1768
01:53:45,480 --> 01:53:46,290
speech y'all.

1769
01:53:47,099 --> 01:53:52,889
Dave Jones: Source de 1701 I
wonder if 1701 is a star trick

1770
01:53:52,949 --> 01:53:53,669
boost?

1771
01:53:53,790 --> 01:53:55,560
Adam Curry: Ooh, sounds like
sexy.

1772
01:53:56,070 --> 01:54:00,210
Dave Jones: What's an iPod
Shuffle? I guess we talked about

1773
01:54:00,210 --> 01:54:05,670
shuffles. I think I mentioned
some 1701 for source pieces

1774
01:54:05,670 --> 01:54:08,490
feels more like a bizarre than
thejournal Oh a little ERIC S

1775
01:54:08,490 --> 01:54:13,320
Raymond reference. Let's go on
way back Proppy of this podcast

1776
01:54:13,320 --> 01:54:15,720
into truly scale in my opinion,
you would need to start pulling

1777
01:54:15,720 --> 01:54:18,540
directly from the nodes and not
use the gateways and will I

1778
01:54:18,540 --> 01:54:18,900
agree

1779
01:54:18,930 --> 01:54:22,110
Adam Curry: yeah, I agree to but
that That's step two. Step one

1780
01:54:22,110 --> 01:54:25,590
is having a gateway that we that
we control so we don't get shut

1781
01:54:25,590 --> 01:54:28,650
down. And step two is for the
for the apps incorporate that I

1782
01:54:28,650 --> 01:54:30,570
don't know how hard that is, but
it would be nice.

1783
01:54:31,050 --> 01:54:35,220
Dave Jones: Cole McCormack
15 492. Through fountain he

1784
01:54:35,220 --> 01:54:37,530
says, Hey, if you guys want to
hear what Angular Costello

1785
01:54:37,530 --> 01:54:40,980
really thinks about V for V
music, check out episode 82 of

1786
01:54:40,980 --> 01:54:43,260
America plus Yeah, had a great
talk with her. Yeah,

1787
01:54:43,320 --> 01:54:45,690
Adam Curry: it was a great,
great show. I heard it.

1788
01:54:46,710 --> 01:54:50,760
Dave Jones: Let's see. Anonymous
rest in peace. Bram Moolenaar,

1789
01:54:50,970 --> 01:54:51,990
author of Vim.

1790
01:54:52,050 --> 01:54:55,020
Adam Curry: Ah, yes. We lost
him. Yeah, we did.

1791
01:54:55,830 --> 01:55:00,600
Dave Jones: At 3000 sets at 300
says I'm sorry. Matt de from

1792
01:55:00,600 --> 01:55:04,110
returns to River City mystery
podcast and his 5000 SATs. Thank

1793
01:55:04,110 --> 01:55:08,190
you, Matt. Appreciate that. And
he sent us again 22 to 22 He

1794
01:55:08,190 --> 01:55:10,650
says love the concept of value
for value. You guys are onto

1795
01:55:10,650 --> 01:55:14,940
something here. Question. Do any
Bookstagram widgets exist that I

1796
01:55:14,940 --> 01:55:17,400
can add to my WordPress site so
that listeners can boost it

1797
01:55:17,400 --> 01:55:19,530
directly from my website? Go
podcasting?

1798
01:55:20,490 --> 01:55:23,700
Adam Curry: Is there something
like that? I'm not sure Well,

1799
01:55:24,570 --> 01:55:28,380
Dave Jones: you could always get
the you could always get Steven

1800
01:55:28,380 --> 01:55:29,520
B's code from

1801
01:55:29,550 --> 01:55:30,420
Adam Curry: yeah from

1802
01:55:30,420 --> 01:55:35,130
Dave Jones: split kit. Or yeah,
just put put a split get on

1803
01:55:35,130 --> 01:55:41,130
there. Yeah, that's what is for
froze ear 50,000 SATs through

1804
01:55:41,130 --> 01:55:44,790
pod vs. I finished recording my
first ever podcast earlier

1805
01:55:44,790 --> 01:55:47,070
today. And I'm noticing
developments happening at

1806
01:55:47,070 --> 01:55:50,130
Sovereign feeds.com Hey, Mom,
I'm gonna be a DJ just like

1807
01:55:50,130 --> 01:55:51,090
Johnny fever.

1808
01:55:52,530 --> 01:55:55,290
Adam Curry: Yes, that's exactly
right. That's the whole point.

1809
01:55:55,290 --> 01:55:56,970
You can be like that.

1810
01:55:57,540 --> 01:56:00,300
Dave Jones: Harry pilgrim 50,000
SATs through fountain he says

1811
01:56:00,300 --> 01:56:04,050
well what a great track a little
when mixed with some everal

1812
01:56:04,140 --> 01:56:06,690
Adam Curry: go podcasting. Go
podcasting.

1813
01:56:06,990 --> 01:56:09,630
Dave Jones: I don't have the
reference for with what tracks?

1814
01:56:09,630 --> 01:56:09,780
I

1815
01:56:09,780 --> 01:56:12,060
Adam Curry: don't know because
we don't have it in the TLV

1816
01:56:13,140 --> 01:56:16,500
Dave Jones: and we've got a
whole bunch of anonymous podcast

1817
01:56:16,500 --> 01:56:22,950
guru user streaming boosts here.
Oh InterSolar Yeah, so Jason

1818
01:56:22,950 --> 01:56:26,250
ever podcast Guru is clearly
he's up to no good here.

1819
01:56:28,530 --> 01:56:30,750
Adam Curry: He is doing work. I
know he's doing okay running

1820
01:56:30,750 --> 01:56:33,060
with scissors man. That's what
that's what I'm saying. We love

1821
01:56:33,060 --> 01:56:33,210
it.

1822
01:56:33,870 --> 01:56:38,310
Dave Jones: Dirty Jersey who are
19 762 podcast index he says

1823
01:56:38,310 --> 01:56:41,670
start a podcast they said it'd
be fun they said seriously

1824
01:56:41,670 --> 01:56:44,400
though, I recommend every
everyone start their own podcast

1825
01:56:44,400 --> 01:56:48,300
using sovereign feeds and the
other P 2.0. Tools. It's been a

1826
01:56:48,300 --> 01:56:50,730
huge learning experience for me.
Thanks, guys. Y'all be good.

1827
01:56:50,759 --> 01:56:53,069
Adam Curry: He has definitely
been running with scissors since

1828
01:56:53,069 --> 01:56:56,639
like, Could you please delete
these 15 feeds from the index

1829
01:56:56,639 --> 01:56:57,419
that I created?

1830
01:57:00,840 --> 01:57:04,800
Dave Jones: Billy Bones do
fountain 368 76 He says keep

1831
01:57:04,800 --> 01:57:11,100
building the future. We will.
Let's see. I've got 8 million

1832
01:57:11,100 --> 01:57:14,850
streams from Sam Sethi from pod
fans that I'm blowing through

1833
01:57:14,850 --> 01:57:23,460
here as we speak. At Aquila, if
that name sounds familiar with

1834
01:57:23,520 --> 01:57:30,060
133 sets, says go podcasting,
Gil, and Kyron that we're almost

1835
01:57:30,060 --> 01:57:33,270
done. Karen says from 20 to 22.
From mere mortals podcast, he

1836
01:57:33,270 --> 01:57:36,420
says Mr. You guys, my Saturdays
were lonelier, without a doubt.

1837
01:57:36,480 --> 01:57:37,500
Oh, we missed you too.

1838
01:57:37,530 --> 01:57:38,940
Adam Curry: We missed you for
sure.

1839
01:57:39,720 --> 01:57:43,440
Dave Jones: And we've got a
boost to Graham the series. Here

1840
01:57:43,440 --> 01:57:50,160
it is the delimiter comma street
blogger 30 3015. He says howdy

1841
01:57:50,160 --> 01:57:53,940
friends Dave and Adam. I'd like
to recommend shows and podcasts

1842
01:57:53,970 --> 01:57:57,420
of Ben Drew. He has the most
renowned and extensive YouTube

1843
01:57:57,420 --> 01:58:00,390
channel for microphone reviews,
which you can find at

1844
01:58:00,810 --> 01:58:06,510
www.youtube.com/podcast ej
Additionally, he hosts a

1845
01:58:06,510 --> 01:58:12,030
personal podcast at WWW dot
Bandaru says.com If you need

1846
01:58:12,030 --> 01:58:16,290
comprehensive information about
all microphones, I encourage you

1847
01:58:16,290 --> 01:58:19,590
to watch bandroom YouTube
channels you will be pleased to

1848
01:58:19,590 --> 01:58:22,890
know that these are also
available as audio only podcasts

1849
01:58:22,950 --> 01:58:25,140
with RSS EO CSB.

1850
01:58:25,200 --> 01:58:27,180
Adam Curry: Thank you comics
your blog and thank you for

1851
01:58:27,180 --> 01:58:31,140
always promoting podcasting 2.0
and promoting all the other

1852
01:58:31,140 --> 01:58:34,860
podcasts and getting Jeff Smith
into it. I mean this what a

1853
01:58:34,860 --> 01:58:37,800
valuable human being you are
worse we think you're a human

1854
01:58:37,800 --> 01:58:40,320
being you might be you might be
Android

1855
01:58:40,950 --> 01:58:43,530
Dave Jones: we get a punch we
get a just saw in this email in

1856
01:58:43,530 --> 01:58:46,050
my email says I had to open it
read the news. We got a we got a

1857
01:58:46,050 --> 01:58:56,940
late 12:35pm Pay Pal $100 One
timer from Boylston OYSTEIN Berg

1858
01:58:56,970 --> 01:59:00,390
Adam Curry: oh he's seen better
yeah OYSTEIN Bay for Yeah, I

1859
01:59:00,390 --> 01:59:01,860
think he's I think he's Dutch

1860
01:59:04,320 --> 01:59:05,700
Dave Jones: OYSTEIN yeah. Oh

1861
01:59:05,700 --> 01:59:09,330
Adam Curry: yeah, he's been
around for sure. And I just saw

1862
01:59:09,330 --> 01:59:14,310
a Sir Brian of London with the
Israeli freedom boost 19,480

1863
01:59:14,640 --> 01:59:17,970
Been a long time been a long
time been a long lonely lonely

1864
01:59:17,970 --> 01:59:22,350
lonely long time. Yeah, okay.
Reference for sure.

1865
01:59:22,410 --> 01:59:25,740
Dave Jones: Thank you Austin.
I'm so glad that opened the

1866
01:59:25,740 --> 01:59:28,110
email because we would have
missed you until next week

1867
01:59:28,139 --> 01:59:30,809
Adam Curry: so even though we
didn't get to even half of your

1868
01:59:30,809 --> 01:59:35,639
list I think everyone enjoyed
your story about the road caster

1869
01:59:35,669 --> 01:59:36,629
I certainly did.

1870
01:59:38,460 --> 01:59:39,180
Dave Jones: Right away so

1871
01:59:39,210 --> 01:59:43,470
Adam Curry: no no no, we didn't
waste a second No not a second

1872
01:59:43,470 --> 01:59:45,570
was wasted not at all I'm

1873
01:59:45,570 --> 01:59:48,240
Dave Jones: hurt in my heart
because I wanted this to be a

1874
01:59:48,240 --> 01:59:53,580
humongous reveal in and like of
Dave's got a road caster but it

1875
01:59:53,580 --> 01:59:54,600
just wouldn't work.

1876
01:59:54,630 --> 01:59:57,240
Adam Curry: You're going to get
it you're gonna get it working.

1877
01:59:57,810 --> 02:00:02,220
You know, let's think positive
the road caster pro oh two let's

1878
02:00:02,220 --> 02:00:06,870
go Monson causes positive Think
positive Think positive is gonna

1879
02:00:07,080 --> 02:00:11,370
love that guy. Yeah, we should
have we should have him on the

1880
02:00:11,370 --> 02:00:11,940
show

1881
02:00:15,809 --> 02:00:17,129
Dave Jones: he can tell me how
to reset.

1882
02:00:19,439 --> 02:00:22,409
Adam Curry: So I'm going to show
the dog and you know a dog

1883
02:00:22,409 --> 02:00:25,349
actually has stomach issues. So
I'm gonna, I'm gonna get out I

1884
02:00:25,349 --> 02:00:28,589
gotta take her outside. So she's
in squirt. And then I'm taking

1885
02:00:28,589 --> 02:00:32,309
it to the to the vet, I believe
me, she kept getting up. I'm

1886
02:00:32,309 --> 02:00:35,339
like, oh, no, just calm down.
You're good. You're good. Don't

1887
02:00:35,339 --> 02:00:39,509
Don't get up and squeeze it. So
I'll probably won't have the

1888
02:00:39,509 --> 02:00:43,859
show posted until around four
o'clock. Just so everyone knows.

1889
02:00:43,859 --> 02:00:45,749
Because you know, people are
like so used to me posting it

1890
02:00:45,749 --> 02:00:49,739
right away. So gotta take her
out and then get her to the vet.

1891
02:00:51,210 --> 02:00:52,140
Dave Jones: So but

1892
02:00:53,760 --> 02:00:58,710
Adam Curry: I still got to take
her. We're not using that

1893
02:00:58,710 --> 02:01:01,800
goober. Or we're not using that
as an ISO.

1894
02:01:02,070 --> 02:01:04,380
Dave Jones: Of course it was
Bouverie they did that because

1895
02:01:04,380 --> 02:01:06,330
he's got the dirtiest mind on
the planet.

1896
02:01:08,100 --> 02:01:10,890
Adam Curry: The problem is the
ISO button takes the takes too

1897
02:01:10,890 --> 02:01:16,200
long. Let me see. I think
actually have the ISO. If we can

1898
02:01:16,200 --> 02:01:18,750
get oh, there it is. Okay,
let's, let's see. Let's see if I

1899
02:01:18,750 --> 02:01:21,900
can issue so I'm gonna. I'm
gonna get out. I gotta take her

1900
02:01:21,900 --> 02:01:28,980
outside. So she's in squirt. I'm
gonna get up. I gotta take her

1901
02:01:28,980 --> 02:01:31,380
outside. It's hard to ISO. Yeah,
it's

1902
02:01:31,380 --> 02:01:32,280
Dave Jones: too much good. I

1903
02:01:32,280 --> 02:01:35,340
Adam Curry: got no way I can.
Well, yeah, we'll use that for

1904
02:01:35,340 --> 02:01:39,960
next time. Uber. Yeah, because
we had ISOs like an ISO score. I

1905
02:01:39,960 --> 02:01:44,220
mean, yeah. Dave brothers. It's
good to be back with you, man.

1906
02:01:44,730 --> 02:01:49,530
Yeah, and glad you remembered my
number. You're so mean. So

1907
02:01:49,530 --> 02:01:54,120
unnecessary. Hi, everybody.
We'll be back next week with

1908
02:01:54,120 --> 02:01:58,080
another board meeting. Dave Have
a great weekend my brother. Take

1909
02:01:58,080 --> 02:01:59,460
care everybody thank you chat
room.

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