Episode 143: In the SCIF

1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,790 Adam Curry: Oh, podcasting 2.0 for August 4 2023, episode 143 2 00:00:08,940 --> 00:00:13,410 Well hello everybody we are back after one week hiatus. This is 3 00:00:13,410 --> 00:00:19,350 podcasting. 2.0 the industry spots to get your eyes poked out 4 00:00:19,350 --> 00:00:22,110 with scissors. Yes, we're the only boardroom that splits his 5 00:00:22,110 --> 00:00:27,090 time and value. All the news about podcasting index.org Of 6 00:00:27,090 --> 00:00:30,120 course everything about the podcast namespace and everything 7 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:33,480 happening in podcast index dot social. I'm Adam curry here in 8 00:00:33,480 --> 00:00:35,880 the heart of the Texas Hill Country and in Alabama. He's 9 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:38,730 back from the redwoods of California rested ready to rock 10 00:00:38,730 --> 00:00:41,670 a knee deep in ribs. Say hello to my friend on the other end 11 00:00:41,670 --> 00:00:49,350 ladies and gentlemen, Mr. De Jones. What are you doing Bala? 12 00:00:50,220 --> 00:00:51,630 Unknown: Oh, careful Instagram Bolin. 13 00:00:51,660 --> 00:00:53,850 Adam Curry: Okay, if you can't say stuff like that, because 14 00:00:53,850 --> 00:00:56,670 then the AI will block us from having ads. 15 00:00:57,090 --> 00:00:58,410 Unknown: Oh, the racist AI. 16 00:00:59,790 --> 00:01:02,460 Adam Curry: Podcasting while being black I think is is now 17 00:01:02,460 --> 00:01:05,730 something that gets get your D platformed. 18 00:01:06,810 --> 00:01:09,060 Dave Jones: Automatically with no human intervention, no 19 00:01:09,060 --> 00:01:12,450 Adam Curry: human intervention whatsoever. Hey, Dave, how was 20 00:01:12,450 --> 00:01:13,260 your vacation man? 21 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:19,440 Dave Jones: It was fantastic. It it did nothing to calm the 22 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:22,560 Luddite ism within me. It just made it so much worse. 23 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:26,790 Adam Curry: So. So Dave's on vacation, he's texting me from 24 00:01:26,790 --> 00:01:30,330 the airport, he's texting me updates. He's texting. And he 25 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:34,230 he's literally in the Redwoods of California sending me 26 00:01:34,230 --> 00:01:37,320 pictures. I'm like, Come on, man. Chill, I broke it. Take 27 00:01:37,320 --> 00:01:40,290 yourself some rest. And then it did kind of stop. But then you 28 00:01:40,290 --> 00:01:44,490 know, you sent me an article and you never really kind of got off 29 00:01:44,490 --> 00:01:45,390 the system. Did you? 30 00:01:47,550 --> 00:01:51,660 Dave Jones: I can't fully disconnect from the from 31 00:01:51,660 --> 00:01:57,270 podcasting. 2.0 I feel like there's stuff going on. I need 32 00:01:57,270 --> 00:02:00,270 to know I know what's going on. And, and I don't want to come 33 00:02:00,270 --> 00:02:03,660 back to I don't want to come back to a mailbox of you know, 34 00:02:03,690 --> 00:02:10,650 of, of 300 people say in a month my stuff broke in? Oh, no. 35 00:02:11,009 --> 00:02:12,329 Adam Curry: Well, I understand 36 00:02:12,330 --> 00:02:14,130 Unknown: that. I can't unplug fully. 37 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:15,750 Adam Curry: Are you still using the light phone? Or have you 38 00:02:15,750 --> 00:02:17,460 given up on it? Well, 39 00:02:17,490 --> 00:02:21,270 Dave Jones: no, I used have was using it. But on the trip. I'm 40 00:02:21,270 --> 00:02:26,250 like, I gotta have access to a full mobile. Yeah, because we're 41 00:02:26,250 --> 00:02:27,750 getting into Maps, all that stuff. 42 00:02:27,780 --> 00:02:31,440 Adam Curry: Yeah, when we go to we're going to Europe next next 43 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:37,920 Friday apps actually, for almost two weeks. And yeah, I 44 00:02:37,920 --> 00:02:41,520 definitely have to I definitely have to have the full mobile 45 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:43,410 experience for all the stuff we'll be doing. 46 00:02:43,799 --> 00:02:46,499 Dave Jones: But I find you just switch the switch the SIM and 47 00:02:46,499 --> 00:02:46,709 yes. 48 00:02:47,010 --> 00:02:49,710 Adam Curry: Oh yeah, no, I use the light phone exclusively 49 00:02:49,710 --> 00:02:55,710 anytime. Did I tell you what happened with the car? No. Oh 50 00:02:55,710 --> 00:02:58,200 man. So you know so I've been using the light phone wherever I 51 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:02,430 go. And we went to see Suzanne Santo which she did it before. 52 00:03:02,430 --> 00:03:05,490 This is when my my daughter was here to a couple of weeks back 53 00:03:05,490 --> 00:03:08,760 and it was in Driftwood about an hour and 15 minutes from our 54 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:12,240 house and was going to be a dinner as well. It kind of 55 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:13,920 turned out to be a gig that looked a bit like we were 56 00:03:13,920 --> 00:03:18,540 crashing some old folks home cafeteria 57 00:03:20,310 --> 00:03:21,090 Dave Jones: shuffleboard 58 00:03:21,420 --> 00:03:23,520 Adam Curry: we were pretty much the hippest people in the room. 59 00:03:23,850 --> 00:03:26,400 But it was fun you know and we went there to support Suzanne 60 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:30,420 and we know her husband too and then we go to leave and it's 110 61 00:03:30,420 --> 00:03:35,550 degrees that particular day and so now it's it's 8pm 830 we get 62 00:03:35,550 --> 00:03:40,590 to the car car won't start to yeah um this this is a fairly 63 00:03:40,590 --> 00:03:44,310 new car to go yeah and and of course what that means is 64 00:03:44,460 --> 00:03:47,100 everything lights up the dashboard lights every light on 65 00:03:47,100 --> 00:03:52,860 the dashboard lights up but it won't start so I think I know 66 00:03:52,860 --> 00:03:56,580 why that happened but it all turned out okay but then you 67 00:03:56,580 --> 00:04:00,330 press this little button you know you got a button that that 68 00:04:00,330 --> 00:04:04,170 will you know put you in contact with the with the company and 69 00:04:04,170 --> 00:04:05,970 then they're supposed to come and save you that whole 70 00:04:05,970 --> 00:04:11,910 experience was horrible. I really Hello, this is Helga from 71 00:04:11,910 --> 00:04:14,850 Mercedes, we have a my buck on the way for you. Everything is 72 00:04:14,850 --> 00:04:17,580 going to be fine. Your dog is fed. We will begin picking you 73 00:04:17,580 --> 00:04:21,540 up very shortly. It's all going to be fine. Just a curry. No, 74 00:04:21,540 --> 00:04:25,620 no, it's like Hey, it's Justin here. How you doing? What's your 75 00:04:25,620 --> 00:04:30,720 phone number? Anyway, so Justin had to send me to get my 76 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:34,860 location. Biggest part of their process. He had to send me a 77 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:37,470 link to my phone through text message. 78 00:04:37,890 --> 00:04:43,980 Dave Jones: Oh, oh, you're on the line. This is a curse. Yes. 79 00:04:43,980 --> 00:04:44,460 Horrible. 80 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:49,110 Adam Curry: So yeah, so that I certainly received it but I 81 00:04:49,110 --> 00:04:52,230 could not tap on it and open a browser or anything like that. 82 00:04:52,740 --> 00:04:55,650 Dave Jones: You're like, Hey, Justin, I got your I got your 83 00:04:55,650 --> 00:05:00,000 Adam Curry: link Justin. So from I decided that from now on when 84 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:04,560 I'm in the car I will take the the toilet scroll or just turn 85 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:07,950 it off and just put it in, you know, in the glove box. So if I 86 00:05:07,950 --> 00:05:11,820 happen to need it, then I can get it. And I'm pretty, pretty 87 00:05:11,820 --> 00:05:12,750 disciplined that way 88 00:05:14,580 --> 00:05:18,720 Dave Jones: it has made it's made my smart when I have to 89 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:24,600 switch back to the fourth smartphone. I'm more disciplined 90 00:05:24,630 --> 00:05:30,750 now. I think, and I may end up in this. I may end up good doing 91 00:05:30,750 --> 00:05:34,650 that gab phone. I may give that a shot the gab phone I'm not 92 00:05:34,650 --> 00:05:37,590 familiar with this the gab foe you know the gap? Oh, no, the 93 00:05:37,590 --> 00:05:41,910 gap phone does that for kids. I think it's marketed for kids, 94 00:05:41,910 --> 00:05:45,300 but it's basically just a smartphone that doesn't do any 95 00:05:45,300 --> 00:05:45,900 apps. 96 00:05:46,770 --> 00:05:50,130 Adam Curry: Cam Yeah, it's marketed for kids. Yeah. Yeah, 97 00:05:50,130 --> 00:05:51,720 give that a shot. It has no internet. 98 00:05:52,350 --> 00:05:56,010 Dave Jones: Yeah. But it's got like but it's got like, you 99 00:05:56,010 --> 00:05:56,310 know, 100 00:05:56,340 --> 00:05:59,640 Unknown: it has maps and stuff. It's got it's got is 101 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:02,910 Dave Jones: better able to handle the stuff like getting a 102 00:06:02,910 --> 00:06:04,830 link from from dry. 103 00:06:04,890 --> 00:06:07,890 Adam Curry: I like this because I can track you and make sure 104 00:06:07,890 --> 00:06:10,350 you're okay. I like this. You'll be my child. 105 00:06:10,380 --> 00:06:12,720 Unknown: I can track you on the gab phone. They get up. Are you 106 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:15,480 going to put parental controls on? Better believe it? 107 00:06:17,220 --> 00:06:19,200 Dave Jones: I'm going to be enemies. Toilet scroll. We're 108 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:23,310 applying a mastodon from the Sequoia National Forest. There 109 00:06:23,310 --> 00:06:25,260 you go. Enough, enough. Yeah. 110 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:27,390 Adam Curry: I love my graphic. You know, if you couldn't use 111 00:06:27,390 --> 00:06:30,030 graphene OS and make it minimal, you can do that. 112 00:06:30,510 --> 00:06:32,520 Dave Jones: Let me let me tell you what did happen though. And 113 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:41,040 this is this is a thing that I don't I don't understand. As 114 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:50,820 soon as I got to California, so we landed in Fresno. Let's see 115 00:06:50,820 --> 00:06:56,850 on the 24th and we landed the American Airlines travel 116 00:06:56,850 --> 00:06:57,480 experience. 117 00:06:57,510 --> 00:06:59,070 Unknown: Yes. subpar 118 00:06:59,550 --> 00:07:03,480 Dave Jones: it is. In the toilet. It is the most horrible 119 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:07,050 thing ever. I will I will do them all I will do the best I 120 00:07:07,050 --> 00:07:11,820 can never to fly that airline again. Yeah, but so but that's 121 00:07:11,850 --> 00:07:15,120 their they've got a lock on Fresno for some reason. Yeah. So 122 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:19,860 we got in there to Fresno. And I'm telling you within 10 123 00:07:19,860 --> 00:07:23,790 minutes of landing. I started getting spam calls from 124 00:07:23,790 --> 00:07:29,640 California. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. How is that possible? How do 125 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:30,930 they know what carrier 126 00:07:30,930 --> 00:07:34,110 Adam Curry: are you using? Verizon. There you go. are 127 00:07:34,110 --> 00:07:34,980 selling you crap? 128 00:07:36,090 --> 00:07:37,320 Dave Jones: Dude, it was 129 00:07:37,950 --> 00:07:43,140 Adam Curry: dude. Yeah. That's horrible. I mean, I'm getting a 130 00:07:43,140 --> 00:07:49,560 slew of pig butchers these days. Yeah, you know, the hay. was 131 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:53,760 great seeing the other day or, Hey, is this Debbie's number or? 132 00:07:55,110 --> 00:07:56,820 Dave Jones: The tennis coach? Yeah, 133 00:07:56,970 --> 00:07:59,820 Unknown: exactly. The tennis coach. Yeah. 134 00:08:01,380 --> 00:08:06,210 Dave Jones: Yeah, whatever data somebody some scammer, somewhere 135 00:08:06,210 --> 00:08:13,350 has access to a firehose of like, connection. Yeah. Yeah. It 136 00:08:13,350 --> 00:08:14,850 is. it quick. 137 00:08:15,330 --> 00:08:18,540 Adam Curry: I wonder. I mean, I wonder it could be. It could be 138 00:08:18,540 --> 00:08:21,360 a couple of things. It could be like a stingray someone set up 139 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:24,420 at the airport, you know. So basically a man in the middle 140 00:08:24,420 --> 00:08:26,880 you connect and then it connects you. I mean, it could be all 141 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:29,670 kinds of who knows? Maybe the airport has a deal. Maybe 142 00:08:29,670 --> 00:08:31,050 American Airlines did it. 143 00:08:32,070 --> 00:08:34,560 Dave Jones: That would not be you know what? That wouldn't be 144 00:08:34,560 --> 00:08:39,270 a surprise because you got you really, you're very prone to at 145 00:08:39,270 --> 00:08:44,490 least I am very prone to signing up for the flight status text 146 00:08:44,490 --> 00:08:47,490 messages. You know, you want to get these. Oh, your seat changed 147 00:08:47,490 --> 00:08:49,140 your, your boarding time. 148 00:08:49,140 --> 00:08:53,520 Adam Curry: Yeah. Are you using the American Airlines app. 149 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:56,100 Dave Jones: I'm now using the app. I just signed up for the 150 00:08:56,100 --> 00:08:59,370 text message alerts whenever I get a seat change or gate change 151 00:08:59,370 --> 00:08:59,790 or something. 152 00:09:00,300 --> 00:09:03,360 Adam Curry: It's horrible. I use it every everything is 153 00:09:03,570 --> 00:09:06,720 disgusting. Everything just 154 00:09:07,890 --> 00:09:11,010 Dave Jones: is but then when you get out in the middle of, of 155 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:13,380 Sequoia and amongst the 156 00:09:14,069 --> 00:09:16,529 Unknown: we just have no reception. None at all. 157 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:19,830 Dave Jones: It's wonderful. It's one. 158 00:09:20,730 --> 00:09:22,350 Adam Curry: Well, the funny thing happened while you were 159 00:09:22,590 --> 00:09:24,210 away. Yeah. Did 160 00:09:24,210 --> 00:09:27,000 Dave Jones: you do any June do anything new? Yeah, I 161 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:28,950 Adam Curry: did this little thing called Bucha. Grand Ball. 162 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:32,790 Dave Jones: Oh, I hadn't heard about this. Yes. Yes. Explain. 163 00:09:32,910 --> 00:09:35,670 Explain it to me. This was a fantastic show. 164 00:09:36,210 --> 00:09:41,940 Adam Curry: Thank you. I'm so proud of all of us. And I have 165 00:09:41,970 --> 00:09:45,930 comments. Of course I have some notes on stuff that went wrong. 166 00:09:46,260 --> 00:09:49,440 But I am just so proud of because this was everything. 167 00:09:49,710 --> 00:09:54,240 This was everything. Baltic all the things we've done in the 168 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:57,900 past three years. All of it in the US through the whole thing, 169 00:09:58,020 --> 00:10:01,140 including IPFS podcast thing which we'll talk about as well. 170 00:10:01,500 --> 00:10:04,140 Dave Jones: When I found out you were doing that's when I started 171 00:10:04,140 --> 00:10:08,430 texting you, I'm like you were doing FCFS You've completely 172 00:10:08,430 --> 00:10:09,120 lost your mind. 173 00:10:09,150 --> 00:10:11,700 Adam Curry: I figured, might as well get the biggest scissors we 174 00:10:11,700 --> 00:10:17,550 got and just run like crazy. Yes. Now. So I did it lit, so 175 00:10:17,610 --> 00:10:21,510 why not right. And actually, Steven, Steven B was so kind, he 176 00:10:21,510 --> 00:10:26,730 did a full on screen cast with me, you know, a couple days 177 00:10:26,730 --> 00:10:30,300 before. So I could really understand how to use this how 178 00:10:30,300 --> 00:10:34,320 to use the Split kit, because I was very confused about it. And 179 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:36,270 really, it's interesting. It's one of those things. And that's 180 00:10:36,300 --> 00:10:38,820 my downfall, because I'm usually on a lot of this stuff. So 181 00:10:38,820 --> 00:10:42,270 early, you get used to doing something when you get used to 182 00:10:42,270 --> 00:10:45,990 how the flow worked at when it was all baked into sovereign 183 00:10:45,990 --> 00:10:48,930 feeds, and then it gets got pulled out appropriately. So 184 00:10:49,530 --> 00:10:53,010 it's the split kit, and I'm just expecting it to work in a 185 00:10:53,010 --> 00:10:56,730 similar way. And I was over overthinking at all. And as much 186 00:10:56,730 --> 00:10:59,400 simpler. I'm like, man, no one understand no one will 187 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:02,010 understand how this interface works. But actually, I was just 188 00:11:02,010 --> 00:11:04,770 overthinking how it was supposed to work with. It's so incredibly 189 00:11:04,770 --> 00:11:08,880 simple. So 190 00:11:09,570 --> 00:11:13,080 Dave Jones: you sound it. Let me Can I give you an my initial 191 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:13,920 feedback on 192 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:18,810 Adam Curry: a Yelp review? The four out of five stars 193 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:20,880 Unknown: Oh, four out of five. I'll take it. Thank you. 194 00:11:23,100 --> 00:11:29,190 Dave Jones: So I listened to about half of the show before we 195 00:11:29,190 --> 00:11:32,100 had to go. So and then I went back and I listened to the whole 196 00:11:32,100 --> 00:11:35,610 thing on after it was posted on the face about half of the live 197 00:11:35,610 --> 00:11:36,060 show. How were 198 00:11:36,060 --> 00:11:38,790 Adam Curry: you listening? We're listening on on air pods or 199 00:11:38,820 --> 00:11:40,320 earbuds or what are you listening on? 200 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:43,830 Dave Jones: air pods? Yeah. Okay. On the air air pods on 201 00:11:43,980 --> 00:11:49,830 through. So I was listening. Okay. air pods through the link 202 00:11:49,860 --> 00:11:55,890 that you sent for the lightning? Like they had the page on it 203 00:11:55,890 --> 00:11:58,500 that? Yeah, I don't know what this thing is the split the 204 00:11:58,500 --> 00:12:02,640 split kid page. Yes. Oh, yeah. So I was listening on Safari on 205 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:05,220 the split kit page through air pods. Good. That's 206 00:12:05,220 --> 00:12:07,410 Adam Curry: a very that's a very decent way to do it. I prefer 207 00:12:07,410 --> 00:12:09,660 the app of course, but that certainly works. 208 00:12:10,290 --> 00:12:14,070 Dave Jones: So there's okay, this review is going to be split 209 00:12:14,070 --> 00:12:15,210 into two different parts. 210 00:12:16,110 --> 00:12:20,100 Adam Curry: I'm screwed. Bruno Bruno, what did you think of his 211 00:12:20,100 --> 00:12:20,820 dance? 212 00:12:21,209 --> 00:12:24,239 Dave Jones: The the, you know, like you have an Amazon review 213 00:12:24,239 --> 00:12:26,309 where they're supposed to be reviewing the product. Yeah, all 214 00:12:26,309 --> 00:12:29,549 they do is bitch about the shipping. Okay, so I for this is 215 00:12:29,549 --> 00:12:32,789 there's going to be a two part two part. Yes. Okay. There's 216 00:12:32,789 --> 00:12:36,959 gonna be the delivery of the show and the show itself. So the 217 00:12:36,959 --> 00:12:39,989 delivery of the show through Safari through the split kit 218 00:12:39,989 --> 00:12:46,739 page. That that failed frequently. Interim, but what 219 00:12:46,739 --> 00:12:54,899 was in the way that it always failed was it would win if I had 220 00:12:54,899 --> 00:13:01,169 if if I had to do anything else on the phone. It would kill the 221 00:13:01,169 --> 00:13:04,799 audio and I had to get a fully blame Safari for this. I think 222 00:13:04,799 --> 00:13:07,649 this is 100 100% 223 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:10,890 Adam Curry: because it would go to the background then it stops. 224 00:13:12,270 --> 00:13:15,030 Dave Jones: Yes, yeah. Okay. And then when you try to get back in 225 00:13:15,030 --> 00:13:20,580 it, it loses its mind so you have to refresh the page. Which 226 00:13:20,730 --> 00:13:25,770 is in Yes, set you back to zero. You have to log back into lb 227 00:13:27,690 --> 00:13:31,080 it's a it's a 30 to 45 second process you 228 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:33,720 Adam Curry: didn't have any of the of the of these modern apps 229 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:35,760 we've worked so hard on loaded on your phone. 230 00:13:36,090 --> 00:13:37,980 Dave Jones: I don't know what what are these things? I don't 231 00:13:37,980 --> 00:13:42,120 know what's, what's your speaker? Through that, and 232 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:46,050 because I thought okay, I want to see the album art changed 233 00:13:46,050 --> 00:13:50,040 with the WebSocket and all this. I want, I want that. And I'm 234 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:54,330 thinking those are my only two options for that. Or the 235 00:13:54,330 --> 00:13:58,170 lightning persuaded me this split kit page or curio caster. 236 00:13:58,200 --> 00:13:58,710 So this was 237 00:13:58,710 --> 00:14:01,680 Adam Curry: live you were listening live. Yes, yes. Oh, 238 00:14:01,680 --> 00:14:02,730 okay. Oh, cool 239 00:14:02,790 --> 00:14:09,600 Dave Jones: in the Airbnb at at Sequoia. So I'm like my only two 240 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:14,070 options here are the split kit pay HTML page, or a curio cast 241 00:14:14,070 --> 00:14:17,340 are both are web based. So unlike Well, that's probably 242 00:14:17,340 --> 00:14:20,700 about is roughly equivalent about the same either way. And 243 00:14:20,700 --> 00:14:23,160 they're both Steven B products. So Mike is probably going to be 244 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:25,920 about the same code under the under the hood. So I'm like, 245 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:28,710 Okay, well, I'll just do the split kit page. And I think 246 00:14:28,710 --> 00:14:31,650 Safari just asked the whole thing up. I just don't think 247 00:14:31,650 --> 00:14:32,760 it's a stable platform. 248 00:14:33,270 --> 00:14:35,160 Adam Curry: I agree. I agree. Okay, so 249 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:38,760 Dave Jones: that's the shipping review. The product review is, 250 00:14:39,690 --> 00:14:47,400 like I said, four out of five stars. And I think the only the 251 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:51,690 only it's not really it's not really a danger. It's just that 252 00:14:52,170 --> 00:14:56,130 you were I could tell that you had so much going on. You were 253 00:14:56,130 --> 00:14:56,790 distracted. 254 00:14:57,390 --> 00:15:00,480 Adam Curry: Really? Yes. Yeah. Well, yes. Big Because the word 255 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:04,350 things not happening, right? I was trying to, you know, 256 00:15:04,350 --> 00:15:07,980 whenever I start a song, I'd have to simultaneously click the 257 00:15:08,010 --> 00:15:14,070 value block for that song. And there were other things. Okay, 258 00:15:14,070 --> 00:15:14,760 just what? Okay. 259 00:15:15,269 --> 00:15:16,499 Unknown: Thank you for that resume. 260 00:15:17,099 --> 00:15:20,819 Adam Curry: Thank you. Thank you for that review. So the first 261 00:15:20,819 --> 00:15:24,779 thing I did wrong is in Split kit, I did not have the box 262 00:15:24,809 --> 00:15:28,559 checked, that says, automatically broadcast default 263 00:15:28,559 --> 00:15:33,269 podcast when active block ends. And so I'm looking, I'm looking, 264 00:15:33,269 --> 00:15:36,839 I'm like, Oh, hold on a second. It's still showing the song and 265 00:15:36,839 --> 00:15:40,709 it should be stopped by now. So that was the first thing. And 266 00:15:40,709 --> 00:15:43,769 then there was just a lot going on. Once the songs were playing. 267 00:15:43,799 --> 00:15:47,549 I'm okay. In fact, I even did something very cool. And very DJ 268 00:15:47,549 --> 00:15:49,979 ish. I went to the bathroom during a song like, wow, this is 269 00:15:49,979 --> 00:15:52,589 so cool. I'm peeing during a podcast. I haven't done this in 270 00:15:52,589 --> 00:16:00,419 years. So the show itself, I was quite happy with. I'm sorry, you 271 00:16:00,419 --> 00:16:03,389 heard my distraction. That's a professional, that is a 272 00:16:03,389 --> 00:16:06,209 professional thing that I take quite seriously. And, you know, 273 00:16:06,389 --> 00:16:08,699 let me let me be clear, if I don't get five out of five 274 00:16:08,699 --> 00:16:12,749 stars, you know, then Uber will eventually fire me. So he gets 275 00:16:12,749 --> 00:16:15,479 surge prices, surge pricing goes down. 276 00:16:16,410 --> 00:16:19,710 Dave Jones: Let me let me be let me be clear, I could tell some, 277 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:24,150 I could tell something within the first 20 or so minutes of 278 00:16:24,150 --> 00:16:29,550 the show, I could tell that you were trying to I'm not gonna say 279 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:33,330 nervous. It wasn't nervousness. It was more like I could tell 280 00:16:33,330 --> 00:16:37,440 that you were just like, you couldn't focus fully on what you 281 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:40,440 own the things you were trying to say. Because you were getting 282 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:41,610 so many buttons at the 283 00:16:41,610 --> 00:16:43,200 Adam Curry: same time. You're absolutely right. You're 284 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:45,210 absolutely right. But about about 20 to 285 00:16:45,780 --> 00:16:49,410 Dave Jones: 30 minutes into the show. Like, it felt like all 286 00:16:49,410 --> 00:16:50,160 that went away. 287 00:16:50,190 --> 00:16:52,500 Adam Curry: Yeah. Okay, that's fair. Settle there. Yeah, fair, 288 00:16:52,530 --> 00:16:53,280 totally fair. 289 00:16:54,089 --> 00:16:56,189 Dave Jones: And then at that point, it was like, it was just, 290 00:16:56,219 --> 00:16:58,589 it was just a smooth, I felt like I was back in daily source 291 00:16:58,589 --> 00:17:00,659 code. It was, well, it was awesome. 292 00:17:01,050 --> 00:17:04,320 Adam Curry: So the first thing, I mean, there's a lot I can talk 293 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:08,220 about, but I'm so pleased with this songs, I was able to find 294 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:11,790 the sourcing of the material was actually quite easy, because we 295 00:17:11,790 --> 00:17:15,480 had already played a number of these songs on on this podcast. 296 00:17:16,170 --> 00:17:19,320 So I already had an idea of there's some really kick ass 297 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:22,140 songs. And then I was trying to do a real Friday, you know, 298 00:17:22,140 --> 00:17:24,870 like, kick ass feel to it, I think kick ass a lot, but I 299 00:17:24,870 --> 00:17:29,550 meant it was all of that went relatively well. And you know, I 300 00:17:29,700 --> 00:17:35,760 had the lineup good. Although, you know, a request came in for 301 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:39,450 a song. But I figured, you know, since I'm doing everything now, 302 00:17:39,450 --> 00:17:43,830 why just try a request as well. So I added it to the split kit 303 00:17:43,830 --> 00:17:47,490 in real time, and then had to find the song and get it all go 304 00:17:47,490 --> 00:17:49,770 until there's this a lot of things, but it's possible. I 305 00:17:49,770 --> 00:17:53,610 mean, it's back to almost the old school days of DJing, where 306 00:17:53,610 --> 00:17:55,980 you really had to queue up the record, you had to physically 307 00:17:55,980 --> 00:17:58,950 hit cart machines. And so this, there's a lot of that a lot of 308 00:17:58,950 --> 00:18:00,000 that going on now. 309 00:18:00,330 --> 00:18:02,340 Dave Jones: And you kind of liked that, though, you know, I 310 00:18:02,340 --> 00:18:02,970 love that. Oh, yeah, I 311 00:18:02,970 --> 00:18:05,220 Adam Curry: love it. I love it. Um, so once we were done, this 312 00:18:05,220 --> 00:18:10,410 is where it problems started. So I specifically wanted to have 313 00:18:10,410 --> 00:18:16,020 chapters as well as I want the chapters timed, and there is a a 314 00:18:16,020 --> 00:18:20,310 JSON chapter output on split kit, which, you know, so these 315 00:18:20,310 --> 00:18:24,000 are just all the bugs we're finding right. So if you played 316 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:27,090 if you had something in the order on split kid, it's out of 317 00:18:27,090 --> 00:18:30,540 order, like that request song was all the way at the end, but 318 00:18:30,540 --> 00:18:34,200 it had the correct start time. But instead of that working and 319 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:36,930 putting it into chapters at the correct start time it put it at 320 00:18:36,930 --> 00:18:40,170 the end. So these were all little annoyances, the thing 321 00:18:40,170 --> 00:18:49,290 that really stood out is the lack of adherence to spec and we 322 00:18:49,290 --> 00:18:53,670 noticed this right away when the value block wasn't switching in 323 00:18:53,670 --> 00:18:58,710 any of the apps and I'm flipping out you know so I've just done 324 00:18:58,710 --> 00:19:02,220 the show I'm like ah, the live stuff was great people a boost 325 00:19:02,220 --> 00:19:06,240 in it's all fantastic all of that works but then in the 326 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:12,030 replay the two things are not happening the chapters are 327 00:19:12,030 --> 00:19:16,140 staying all the way through until the until the next song 328 00:19:16,140 --> 00:19:21,810 What the what I expected it to do because I had n times in the 329 00:19:21,810 --> 00:19:27,990 chapters is for the the current chapter art to stop and then the 330 00:19:27,990 --> 00:19:33,720 default to come back which I think is spec yes if you have an 331 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:37,020 end time so that that didn't happen people are ignoring end 332 00:19:37,020 --> 00:19:41,520 times the and by the way, I think the best experience still 333 00:19:41,550 --> 00:19:45,720 would be pod verse because pod verse the art switches while 334 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:49,470 you're listening and fountain doesn't do that, that I really 335 00:19:49,470 --> 00:19:52,380 was looking at these two apps specific I knew kareoke and 336 00:19:52,380 --> 00:19:55,590 curio caster also had prop everyone had a problem. But the 337 00:19:55,590 --> 00:19:56,190 biggest problem 338 00:19:56,190 --> 00:19:57,780 Dave Jones: with the End Time specifically yeah 339 00:19:59,670 --> 00:20:02,550 Adam Curry: I I don't know if I tested that on curio caster, but 340 00:20:02,550 --> 00:20:04,680 no one had the end times as far as I can tell, here's 341 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:06,390 Dave Jones: what I was hearing about, here's what I would 342 00:20:06,390 --> 00:20:09,210 expect to happen in this may not be clear from the spec, I don't 343 00:20:09,210 --> 00:20:13,680 know, I would expect that whenever the chapter art, when 344 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:18,000 if there's an end of time in the chapter section, that at the 345 00:20:18,030 --> 00:20:22,290 when the when the end, he gets hit, and there's no next chapter 346 00:20:22,290 --> 00:20:27,960 this this starting that the original show arcs, it just 347 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:30,300 flows back to this main album on exactly 348 00:20:30,300 --> 00:20:34,620 Adam Curry: what I expected. Okay, that did not happen. The 349 00:20:34,620 --> 00:20:39,180 second thing was real breakage. Because I set up the booster 350 00:20:39,180 --> 00:20:44,550 gram ball, and the booster gram ball has a show value block just 351 00:20:44,550 --> 00:20:52,170 for the entire show. And when I saw I just added the through 352 00:20:52,170 --> 00:20:56,670 split kid I imported the value time splits. It didn't work on 353 00:20:56,670 --> 00:21:01,710 any app, every single app required there to be a value 354 00:21:01,710 --> 00:21:06,030 block in it in order for the value time splits to work, which 355 00:21:06,030 --> 00:21:07,470 I also don't think is spec. 356 00:21:10,410 --> 00:21:14,310 Dave Jones: That makes sense. Yes. Okay. You're you're saying 357 00:21:14,310 --> 00:21:21,840 that you're saying that that the the lack of a feed level value 358 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:22,500 block? 359 00:21:22,530 --> 00:21:25,050 Adam Curry: No, I had the feed level block, but I didn't have 360 00:21:25,050 --> 00:21:29,040 the item level block. And we've only tested it with item level 361 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:32,940 blocks on this show. We've never tested it with no item level 362 00:21:32,940 --> 00:21:35,550 block, just pure value time split block. 363 00:21:36,270 --> 00:21:40,440 Dave Jones: Okay, this is similar to the issue that a lot 364 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:43,140 of apps had at the beginning, when we started doing the live 365 00:21:43,140 --> 00:21:48,120 item tag where there was yes, when you have a feed that has 366 00:21:48,150 --> 00:21:52,230 episodes, and then you add a live item, when you have feed 367 00:21:52,230 --> 00:21:55,650 that has items, then you add a live item, everything worked 368 00:21:55,650 --> 00:21:58,710 fine. But if you had a feed where there was nothing in it 369 00:21:58,710 --> 00:22:03,210 literally nothing, and you only had a live item, it freaked 370 00:22:03,210 --> 00:22:06,840 everything out. And yes, 371 00:22:06,990 --> 00:22:10,800 Adam Curry: that's exactly what happened. So this, so my feed 372 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:14,640 did not have value recipients at the item level block. But it 373 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:18,630 only had the value time split, then not a single app understood 374 00:22:18,630 --> 00:22:25,800 it. And now imagine, I'm done. I'm testing it on apps I'm not 375 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:31,170 seeing I'm seeing 100% of the booths go to the show level 376 00:22:31,170 --> 00:22:35,580 block. Nothing to the artists like this is this is bad. 377 00:22:36,270 --> 00:22:39,360 Because this is the premiere show and the artists aren't 378 00:22:39,360 --> 00:22:43,560 getting anything. And I have a dinner in Dripping Springs in an 379 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:47,730 hour with our pastor and his wife and two other friends. And 380 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:52,440 then I'm just with Steven B and we're trying to troubleshoot at 381 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:56,670 his daughter's turning six. So he has birthday party stuff. And 382 00:22:56,670 --> 00:23:00,630 I'm just like, oh, yeah, and I'm just like I said Jesus helped 383 00:23:00,630 --> 00:23:04,980 me. days in the forest. Dave's in the forest, I gave it to the 384 00:23:04,980 --> 00:23:09,630 Lord. And I just okay, that will happen. And you know, Steve 385 00:23:09,630 --> 00:23:12,690 said, yeah, man, I probably can't get to it till tonight or 386 00:23:12,690 --> 00:23:16,140 tomorrow. You know, that was that was just what it was, you 387 00:23:16,140 --> 00:23:19,860 know. So I'm like, Okay, I'm a big boy, I just felt so bad 388 00:23:19,860 --> 00:23:23,130 because I knew that. Basically, I'm getting all the Satoshis. 389 00:23:23,130 --> 00:23:25,800 And the whole point was for them to go to the artist anyway. 390 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:32,220 During the dinner, I get a text from, from Steven beasts. And I 391 00:23:32,220 --> 00:23:35,460 figured it out, he figured out what the problem what we figured 392 00:23:35,460 --> 00:23:42,090 out together. And then I can't even remember, I wound up 393 00:23:42,090 --> 00:23:45,570 putting an item level value block in and that cleared it up. 394 00:23:45,870 --> 00:23:48,630 And then he was fixed. There was other stuff going on. And he 395 00:23:48,630 --> 00:23:51,900 will have to explain what it was all kinds of other things were 396 00:23:51,900 --> 00:23:52,440 happening. 397 00:23:53,070 --> 00:23:56,040 Dave Jones: Okay, so So you, you, you threw in an item level 398 00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:59,250 value block and everything just magically? It started. 399 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:01,470 Adam Curry: Yeah, I mean, it was probably a combo of two 400 00:24:01,470 --> 00:24:04,770 different things. Steven also said some other stuff. And he 401 00:24:04,770 --> 00:24:09,630 was fixing the chapter issue. So that because I think was also 402 00:24:09,630 --> 00:24:15,480 the one I played out of order wasn't working. It somehow 403 00:24:15,630 --> 00:24:20,700 somehow it mattered, the that I'm not saying this right, even 404 00:24:20,700 --> 00:24:25,440 though the time was correct. In the value time split for the 405 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:30,990 song I played at that was placed in the value times but block at 406 00:24:30,990 --> 00:24:36,720 the end. Some apps I think didn't pick it up. And also and 407 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:39,960 to be fair, everyone's in beta on this stuff. And so this was 408 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:42,990 running with scissors, and fountain I'm using the beta of 409 00:24:42,990 --> 00:24:47,070 fountain and I knew it was wrong there because it wasn't picking 410 00:24:47,070 --> 00:24:49,710 up anything I saw not the References tab wasn't even 411 00:24:49,710 --> 00:24:54,180 there. And so and it wasn't doing it right and it actually 412 00:24:54,180 --> 00:24:56,790 wasn't catching the first block. I mean, there's all kinds of 413 00:24:56,790 --> 00:25:00,330 little things that were happening. But as as time 414 00:25:00,330 --> 00:25:04,800 progressed, as time went on, things just kind of started to 415 00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:08,400 shake out and start to end up doing resets on the on the feed 416 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:11,370 and the index to make sure everything gets brought back in 417 00:25:11,370 --> 00:25:16,380 again. And then by then it's working pretty well. And I'm 418 00:25:16,380 --> 00:25:22,470 seeing because I have the new heli pad on my start start nine 419 00:25:22,470 --> 00:25:26,670 box, I can see the split, you know, so I can actually see as 420 00:25:26,670 --> 00:25:30,930 it comes in as Okay, that looks like you know, 5% of the entire 421 00:25:30,930 --> 00:25:34,230 boost because it has the it has the the Satoshis that came in 422 00:25:34,230 --> 00:25:37,800 and in parentheses on the new helipad, that shows the total 423 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:42,570 boost amount. Okay, so now I know, of course, I still don't 424 00:25:42,570 --> 00:25:47,250 really know what it's going to because no one has that encoded. 425 00:25:48,210 --> 00:25:51,690 You know, the the apps aren't telling me what it's boosting is 426 00:25:51,690 --> 00:25:55,170 just it tells me it's boosting my show. And I can see from the 427 00:25:55,170 --> 00:25:58,050 numbers that I'm not getting that I'm getting just a small 428 00:25:58,050 --> 00:26:01,320 percentage. So my presumption is it's going to the right 429 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:06,120 destination. In fact, I have to say pod verse when you use pod 430 00:26:06,120 --> 00:26:09,840 verse ditch you know when you go to boost it shows you the split 431 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:14,370 right there and you can be you don't have to like fountain you 432 00:26:14,370 --> 00:26:18,150 have to tap into in to see the split. And I don't think 433 00:26:18,150 --> 00:26:21,720 fountain in the in the betta. I don't think it shows the actual 434 00:26:21,750 --> 00:26:24,570 the top value time split. So there's all kinds of confusing 435 00:26:24,570 --> 00:26:27,750 stuff, but I could see when I hit it on fountain, then it 436 00:26:27,750 --> 00:26:30,060 would come in and it would be a small percentage so I figured it 437 00:26:30,060 --> 00:26:33,690 work but no one is sending along the title of the of the remote 438 00:26:33,690 --> 00:26:36,930 item. That would be really handy if we had that. 439 00:26:38,610 --> 00:26:41,880 Dave Jones: There were so we're just in the spec is only the 440 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:46,590 remote. The remote feed Gu ID and the remote item Gu ID is the 441 00:26:46,590 --> 00:26:48,690 only two things that come through, right. 442 00:26:48,750 --> 00:26:51,270 Adam Curry: But but from from that they could parse it and say 443 00:26:51,270 --> 00:26:55,200 okay, this is a boost for booster gram ball, the 444 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:55,860 broadcast, 445 00:26:56,189 --> 00:26:58,469 Dave Jones: but really pad would have to do that. Oh, Haley pad 446 00:26:58,469 --> 00:27:01,469 has to do that. Okay. Yes, yeah, because all you're getting the 447 00:27:01,469 --> 00:27:05,219 only thing they can send unless they just encode it textually in 448 00:27:05,219 --> 00:27:09,659 the in the boost somehow is, is just the feed guid in the in the 449 00:27:09,659 --> 00:27:12,869 item do it. So on the receiver end, we would have to do a look 450 00:27:12,869 --> 00:27:17,099 up and get what what that was. Okay. 451 00:27:18,030 --> 00:27:20,790 Adam Curry: So I found a bug on pod verse in this process, pod 452 00:27:20,790 --> 00:27:26,310 verse was actually sending it reverse. So I'd get the get the 453 00:27:26,310 --> 00:27:31,050 full amount first on helipad. And then in parentheses, the the 454 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:34,500 percentage that I actually got, and Mitch jumped on that right 455 00:27:34,500 --> 00:27:35,940 away. And you fix that. 456 00:27:36,449 --> 00:27:37,349 Dave Jones: Okay, cool. 457 00:27:39,930 --> 00:27:43,500 Adam Curry: Cast ematic. I saw cast ematic Franco was testing 458 00:27:43,500 --> 00:27:47,940 something and he's only sending total sets TLB he's not sending 459 00:27:47,940 --> 00:27:52,470 the the percentage received. Franco. 460 00:27:53,670 --> 00:27:56,400 Dave Jones: So he's not he's not sending the he's sending the 461 00:27:56,400 --> 00:28:00,870 original amount, not the not the actual or the other way around. 462 00:28:01,350 --> 00:28:03,450 Adam Curry: Now he's not he's not sending the actual he's 463 00:28:03,450 --> 00:28:04,620 sending the total amount. 464 00:28:05,340 --> 00:28:06,840 Dave Jones: Okay, so you're not seeing an accurate 465 00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:08,820 representation of what you got versus 466 00:28:08,850 --> 00:28:12,180 Unknown: Correct. Correct. Correct. So, 467 00:28:13,260 --> 00:28:15,810 Dave Jones: which I need to tell I want to talk about cast 468 00:28:15,810 --> 00:28:16,950 thematic in a bit. 469 00:28:16,980 --> 00:28:19,170 Adam Curry: Yeah. Well, I know because you're, you're you're 470 00:28:19,170 --> 00:28:23,790 building some kind of Shemaiah here. So let me see what else I 471 00:28:23,790 --> 00:28:30,210 had on my my notes here. Other than that, I think it was, I 472 00:28:30,210 --> 00:28:33,270 think that was those were the bugs. I mean, this is very small 473 00:28:33,270 --> 00:28:36,750 stuff comparatively speaking. And, and I have to say that so 474 00:28:37,050 --> 00:28:41,790 this this thing hit big. I mean, I got calls from the Netherlands 475 00:28:41,790 --> 00:28:45,150 people, you know, radio people saying what's going on? want to 476 00:28:45,150 --> 00:28:50,910 interview you? Nice. Sam Sethi called. He says, Yeah, I 477 00:28:50,910 --> 00:28:52,080 Dave Jones: heard your interview. Yeah, it was good. 478 00:28:52,890 --> 00:28:53,850 Was the audio 479 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:55,470 Adam Curry: doing weird stuff on your? 480 00:28:56,340 --> 00:28:58,320 Dave Jones: It was very Kuti. Yeah. 481 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,160 Adam Curry: Yeah. It's not like there's some kind of encoding 482 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,470 issue they might have had on this particular episode. 483 00:29:04,740 --> 00:29:07,050 Dave Jones: I agree. Yeah. Well, it 484 00:29:07,050 --> 00:29:09,390 Adam Curry: wasn't just my interview. It was it was in it 485 00:29:09,390 --> 00:29:11,400 was throughout the whole show. I was hearing it. 486 00:29:12,030 --> 00:29:14,370 Dave Jones: James said he was trying to edit you down to 20 487 00:29:14,370 --> 00:29:15,270 minutes of cream. 488 00:29:17,370 --> 00:29:20,040 Adam Curry: Honestly, I think he did a pretty good job at it. 489 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:22,890 Because he got mostly got the most important stuff in there. 490 00:29:22,890 --> 00:29:28,020 And for me, the most important again, is this is everybody this 491 00:29:28,020 --> 00:29:32,100 is every every single person who has worked on this project from 492 00:29:32,100 --> 00:29:37,410 the beginning. All these pieces came together. And you know, 493 00:29:37,410 --> 00:29:41,550 it's it's a shining moment for all of us and then to see and 494 00:29:41,550 --> 00:29:47,550 this is the thing that that I love the most to see James jump 495 00:29:47,550 --> 00:29:52,350 in and immediately do his own music show. Just made the I was 496 00:29:52,350 --> 00:29:58,470 beaming. I'm so so happy. That is so cool, because I want to 497 00:29:58,470 --> 00:30:03,450 see 1000 of music shows 1000s 10s of 1000s of music 498 00:30:03,450 --> 00:30:09,960 shows, and, and for a number of reasons. But another one is, is 499 00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:13,410 like, Oh man, where do you find that song? I want to play that 500 00:30:13,410 --> 00:30:18,180 song. You know, it's discovery upon discovery. And the artists 501 00:30:18,180 --> 00:30:22,290 feedback has been fantastic. That means just that, you know, 502 00:30:22,290 --> 00:30:25,590 they're making, they're getting value. They're, they're feeling 503 00:30:25,620 --> 00:30:30,420 appreciated. They're excited. I have a whole inbox filled with 504 00:30:30,420 --> 00:30:32,670 Play my song, you know, stuff like that. 505 00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:34,620 Unknown: Oh, well, that's, that's what you want. That's, 506 00:30:34,620 --> 00:30:37,110 that's really what you want. And 507 00:30:37,110 --> 00:30:43,320 Adam Curry: then to top it all off. IPFS podcasting worked. It 508 00:30:43,350 --> 00:30:46,560 works. And not just a little bit 509 00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:49,650 Dave Jones: perhaps the most solid part of the hoax. Yes. I 510 00:30:49,650 --> 00:30:49,800 mean, 511 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:52,680 Adam Curry: I screwed something up. Because as we were, you 512 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,230 know, me, it's like, I'm so frustrated trying to get the why 513 00:30:55,230 --> 00:30:59,190 is it not working? Why am I so I did a good change. Yeah, that's 514 00:30:59,190 --> 00:31:03,780 always smart. So if you got episode one twice, that's what 515 00:31:03,780 --> 00:31:10,260 it is. And but so, and then, of course, cameras like, Hey, 516 00:31:10,500 --> 00:31:15,180 what's going on? Did you do a good change? I'm sorry. But but 517 00:31:15,180 --> 00:31:18,810 that was that. And the splits. I've just got to explain this 518 00:31:18,810 --> 00:31:21,090 for people who haven't heard about this. So IPFS network, the 519 00:31:21,090 --> 00:31:24,840 interplanetary file system, which has been around for a long 520 00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:28,770 time. We've talked about this many times over. We talked about 521 00:31:28,770 --> 00:31:32,970 implementation. And Cameron has been so diligent just working 522 00:31:32,970 --> 00:31:37,860 there in his shack in the woods. And he will IPF podcasting, 523 00:31:37,860 --> 00:31:41,700 dotnet, which has been running for months and months and 524 00:31:41,700 --> 00:31:44,490 months. I have all my podcasts on there, I can see that people 525 00:31:44,490 --> 00:31:48,690 are definitely downloading them from there. Thank you to rss.com 526 00:31:49,170 --> 00:31:54,660 they have is rss.com. Yeah, they have a huge node that they that 527 00:31:54,660 --> 00:31:57,450 they maintain that 528 00:31:58,170 --> 00:32:01,860 Dave Jones: yeah, Alberto is a big IPFS Yeah, he he loves it. 529 00:32:01,860 --> 00:32:02,220 Um, so 530 00:32:02,250 --> 00:32:04,320 Adam Curry: you know, he he's he's pinning everything, which 531 00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:11,940 is incredibly important. And the thing that was always the dream, 532 00:32:11,970 --> 00:32:19,470 you know, the web three dream, web tois has always been that 533 00:32:19,470 --> 00:32:24,840 you would be compensated for your participation in hosting 534 00:32:25,290 --> 00:32:29,070 some media files. Yeah, that was the file that's what file coin 535 00:32:29,070 --> 00:32:32,760 was and file coin was a shit coin. And it was just an you 536 00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:36,420 know, the guys who owned all the coins, were always trying to get 537 00:32:36,420 --> 00:32:40,320 up in our knickers. Hey, do you like that? You still so 538 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:42,900 Brittany, they're trying to get met with my betta. They were 539 00:32:42,900 --> 00:32:46,170 trying to get up on our upper skirt basically. And we just 540 00:32:46,170 --> 00:32:49,470 weren't having it's like, no, no, it's I'm just not interested 541 00:32:49,470 --> 00:32:53,190 in that. And so Cameron put and I didn't even know it was going 542 00:32:53,190 --> 00:32:56,220 to be fully automated. I had no idea how he's going to do this. 543 00:32:56,880 --> 00:33:02,010 And so if you're a participant and the the podcast is put IPFS 544 00:33:02,010 --> 00:33:06,600 podcasting dotnet into the value block, and I have it in for 5%, 545 00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:12,150 which was recommended. Then, whenever either enough SATs come 546 00:33:12,150 --> 00:33:15,510 through or a stream or a booster, I don't even know what 547 00:33:15,510 --> 00:33:20,490 it is, you get this wonderful message. Like a really I'm gonna 548 00:33:20,490 --> 00:33:25,050 bring it up. It's a very pleasant message that says thank 549 00:33:25,050 --> 00:33:31,620 you so much for hosting the let me just give you the exact 550 00:33:31,620 --> 00:33:37,320 wording in a second to open up a second helipad here. And it's so 551 00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:41,220 friendly and you see it just coming in continuously. Now it's 552 00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:46,440 the way he's he's done this is whatever comm whatever that 5% 553 00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:50,490 Is that comes into IPFS podcasting.net. It gets split 554 00:33:50,490 --> 00:33:55,050 amongst all the peers that are that have pinned that episode so 555 00:33:55,260 --> 00:33:58,560 it's not necessarily if it came from you or not, it's the fact 556 00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:01,680 that you're participating and you get a split whether it came 557 00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:07,770 from you or not. So here's an example. Go down here. So eight 558 00:34:07,770 --> 00:34:12,150 SATs booster gram ball booster gram ball episode one thank you 559 00:34:12,150 --> 00:34:14,940 from booster grid in parentheses. Thank you from 560 00:34:15,030 --> 00:34:18,660 Bookstagram ball for hosting Bookstagram ball Episode Oh one 561 00:34:18,720 --> 00:34:23,790 via IPFS podcasting and you feel so good about this. 562 00:34:25,139 --> 00:34:27,749 Unknown: You do it just feels good. 563 00:34:28,020 --> 00:34:32,040 Dave Jones: So I got my notes set up last night. Of course 564 00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:36,180 Paul piled it onto the same box that I'm podcasting and also is 565 00:34:36,180 --> 00:34:37,620 the Umbro doors. 566 00:34:37,710 --> 00:34:39,780 Unknown: Yes. Does. Yes. 567 00:34:39,810 --> 00:34:43,320 Dave Jones: So the is I got to sit up. I'm currently I 568 00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:52,230 currently have eight to 864 peers. And I'm hosting about 200 569 00:34:52,230 --> 00:34:56,820 Meg's of of episodes nice. I have not received I've not 570 00:34:56,820 --> 00:35:00,120 received any, any of the warm greetings that you've had. Have 571 00:35:00,240 --> 00:35:02,880 you just talked about having? So I haven't gotten any payments 572 00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:03,120 yet. 573 00:35:03,150 --> 00:35:05,520 Adam Curry: You have? Well, and you just got it up set up today 574 00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:06,270 or yesterday? 575 00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:11,340 Dave Jones: Last night, okay, yeah. I have only only got a 576 00:35:11,340 --> 00:35:13,380 couple of episodes today. So I mean, this is real. 577 00:35:13,799 --> 00:35:16,499 Adam Curry: Right? I'm hosting pod news as well. And I've 578 00:35:16,499 --> 00:35:19,619 gotten payments from pod news. So I 579 00:35:19,620 --> 00:35:23,460 Dave Jones: went in and I did a don't tell me if I did it. 580 00:35:23,460 --> 00:35:27,360 Right. I went in and, like favorited shows that I wanted to 581 00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:29,430 be a part of, of hosting, 582 00:35:29,460 --> 00:35:32,940 Adam Curry: did you make it a red heart or a gold heart? I 583 00:35:32,940 --> 00:35:35,910 think red. Okay, that means you only start hosting stuff from 584 00:35:35,910 --> 00:35:38,790 that moment forward, you don't go back and index the whole 585 00:35:38,790 --> 00:35:39,480 catalog. 586 00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:41,940 Dave Jones: Okay, so if it's gold, it does the whole thing. 587 00:35:41,970 --> 00:35:45,450 Yeah. Oh, I need I need to gold it up, then I need to switch 588 00:35:45,450 --> 00:35:46,740 month. Yeah, as long 589 00:35:46,740 --> 00:35:49,200 Adam Curry: as you have disk space, that's no problem. And 590 00:35:49,230 --> 00:35:52,530 you know what this what I love about this is, yes, this was 591 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:56,130 probably the most solid piece of the whole thing. We did it 592 00:35:56,130 --> 00:36:00,840 because I was completely sovereign. Basically, I output 593 00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:06,510 my sovereign feeds RSS feed, I put it onto my own server, added 594 00:36:06,510 --> 00:36:13,170 that to the index, and added it to my, to my IP fester 595 00:36:13,170 --> 00:36:21,660 podcasting node added to my own lightning node for for my own 596 00:36:21,660 --> 00:36:27,120 payments, and IPFS. Just hosting it. I mean, you, me yeah, you 597 00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:29,280 could get it from somewhere else, the original place I 598 00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:34,500 uploaded it. But that's that's not in the that's not, that's 599 00:36:34,500 --> 00:36:37,620 not the enclosure URL, the enclosure URL is to IPFS 600 00:36:37,620 --> 00:36:42,840 podcast. And so he's rotating, I guess, rotating what exit node 601 00:36:42,870 --> 00:36:46,140 comes off of. And honestly, I was a little worried that it 602 00:36:46,140 --> 00:36:50,580 just might be too overwhelming. And I mean, except for the very, 603 00:36:50,580 --> 00:36:53,400 very beginning, there was not a single failure. No one's 604 00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:58,050 complained about it not playing. James I think saw some cores 605 00:36:58,050 --> 00:37:00,420 issues, which we couldn't replicate, not sure why that 606 00:37:00,420 --> 00:37:03,390 happened. And then it fixed itself. It did kind of fix 607 00:37:03,390 --> 00:37:07,410 itself. But it's also really solves the main problem of 608 00:37:07,410 --> 00:37:11,880 broadcasting on the internet. With broadcast, you have an 609 00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:17,460 antenna, and every new listener you get is actually more revenue 610 00:37:17,460 --> 00:37:21,660 for you. Whereas with podcasting and streaming, and all these 611 00:37:21,660 --> 00:37:25,200 other things, every person you add is more cost, because 612 00:37:25,290 --> 00:37:31,920 ultimately, it costs more bandwidth to add more bandwidth 613 00:37:31,950 --> 00:37:36,720 to distribute it. And now, it's just split up amongst a whole 614 00:37:36,720 --> 00:37:37,770 bunch of other people. 615 00:37:38,370 --> 00:37:41,100 Dave Jones: Well, this some we're gonna have, we're gonna 616 00:37:41,100 --> 00:37:45,960 get Cameron on, as soon as you get back from vacation, and 617 00:37:46,260 --> 00:37:49,860 discuss this and probably have Alberto on as well. He said, 618 00:37:49,860 --> 00:37:54,840 he's good to go. So we're gonna have to we're gonna deep dive 619 00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:57,900 into this, but I think I think you're right. And also had this 620 00:37:57,900 --> 00:38:01,740 thought that you know, this assault. I don't know if you saw 621 00:38:01,740 --> 00:38:07,350 that news this week, about Amazon starting to impose this 622 00:38:07,350 --> 00:38:09,150 30% fee. 623 00:38:09,690 --> 00:38:13,920 Adam Curry: Damn. Does anyone have a podcast app on Amazon? 624 00:38:15,060 --> 00:38:18,660 Dave Jones: I don't know. But I'm thinking so these these 625 00:38:18,660 --> 00:38:22,320 players, you can generally call these platform taxes. You know, 626 00:38:22,350 --> 00:38:27,750 they're they're these that you're gonna pay us for the for 627 00:38:27,750 --> 00:38:30,630 the privilege of being hosted on our platform? Well, 628 00:38:30,720 --> 00:38:33,000 Adam Curry: to be fair, what I heard was the way I understood 629 00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:39,120 it, is they say, either use our advertising infrastructure, or 630 00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:44,400 you pay 30% is like a cork fee. Yeah, and Amazon's advertising 631 00:38:44,730 --> 00:38:48,720 infrastructure is quite good. So if you're in the advertising 632 00:38:48,720 --> 00:38:53,730 game, and they had advertising, I can see where they might do 633 00:38:53,730 --> 00:38:57,450 that. Where they might do something for me, they want to 634 00:38:57,450 --> 00:39:00,660 get people. I don't think it's about taking the 30% for them. I 635 00:39:00,660 --> 00:39:03,030 think it's about getting people to use their advertising 636 00:39:03,030 --> 00:39:05,610 platform, which is just as evil obviously. 637 00:39:06,210 --> 00:39:11,610 Dave Jones: Well, that IPFS IPFS podcasting solves not only the 638 00:39:11,610 --> 00:39:14,580 problem you talked about, where it's like the you know, the the 639 00:39:14,580 --> 00:39:18,600 more of successful the show is the heart, the more it costs, it 640 00:39:18,690 --> 00:39:23,610 solves the platform tax issue as well. Because now now you're 641 00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:28,230 baked into baked into this whole thing is pay is you're paying 642 00:39:28,230 --> 00:39:31,410 for the plot, you're you're paying for the platform. No, 643 00:39:31,410 --> 00:39:32,100 it's better. 644 00:39:32,370 --> 00:39:34,920 Adam Curry: The people who are listening are paying for the 645 00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:38,610 platform. Yeah, it's not even the list the list. Yeah, this is 646 00:39:38,610 --> 00:39:41,520 the beauty. This is value for value straight up. 647 00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:44,760 Dave Jones: They're paid. They're paying for the delivery 648 00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:46,350 of the content. Yeah, they're 649 00:39:46,350 --> 00:39:49,500 Adam Curry: using. Exactly, exactly. Now, 650 00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:51,660 Dave Jones: I think it ended I think it doesn't end around 651 00:39:51,660 --> 00:39:57,090 across on all of this stuff, hosting hosting companies that 652 00:39:57,090 --> 00:40:02,730 are not at least looking at this You've got to 653 00:40:02,759 --> 00:40:04,829 Adam Curry: well, this is this is the best part, this is the 654 00:40:04,829 --> 00:40:10,109 best part. Because Alberto is in the conversation. And he says, 655 00:40:10,259 --> 00:40:13,349 Man, I'm really looking forward to getting paid for hosting 656 00:40:13,349 --> 00:40:16,979 files. Yeah, and I don't even have to I don't have to have 657 00:40:16,979 --> 00:40:18,689 customer service for these people. 658 00:40:19,290 --> 00:40:22,080 Dave Jones: It turns if it turns it from a cost center into a 659 00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:28,170 profit, yes. But let me let me I mean, you can have, you can buy 660 00:40:28,170 --> 00:40:37,140 a, you can buy a $10,000, HP deal 360 with about, you know, 661 00:40:37,140 --> 00:40:41,190 10 terabytes of data or something like that, or let's 662 00:40:41,190 --> 00:40:47,970 just say 40 terabytes of data, of storage, and just host a 663 00:40:47,970 --> 00:40:51,780 humongous IPFS node in your in the game. Now here's, 664 00:40:51,810 --> 00:40:53,940 Adam Curry: here's the thing, though, there's, there's, I 665 00:40:53,940 --> 00:40:58,080 think, a downside to this that we haven't discussed. So when I 666 00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:01,650 started with booster grand ball, I'm getting me I'm getting a 667 00:41:01,650 --> 00:41:06,120 sizable amount of Satoshis. Now the more nodes that come on, the 668 00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:12,330 less I'm getting, which so the question is, does this remain a 669 00:41:12,330 --> 00:41:16,410 split equally amongst everyone who's pinning the show? Or do 670 00:41:16,410 --> 00:41:22,320 you balance it out? Based upon who's node actually supplied 671 00:41:22,350 --> 00:41:26,010 that particular download? I don't even know if you can do 672 00:41:26,010 --> 00:41:28,890 that. I mean, I don't know. But the more nodes are online, the 673 00:41:28,890 --> 00:41:30,900 less you're going to get, of course, that also means the less 674 00:41:30,900 --> 00:41:35,970 you'll be, you'll be I just don't know if, if that's a real 675 00:41:35,970 --> 00:41:37,890 business, I guess? 676 00:41:39,420 --> 00:41:41,700 Dave Jones: Well, it's a real business from the standpoint of 677 00:41:42,540 --> 00:41:46,680 it take the take the money part of a way of the getting paid for 678 00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:54,330 the delivery. Okay. And just in just look at the just the peer 679 00:41:54,330 --> 00:41:58,740 to peer nature of not having to serve all of it yourself. Right. 680 00:41:59,490 --> 00:42:03,240 You know, that that alone is worth? I mean, because if you 681 00:42:03,240 --> 00:42:05,760 think, you know, I don't know how I don't know what the 682 00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:10,620 typical bill is for CD ends for hosting companies, but it's got 683 00:42:10,620 --> 00:42:15,240 to be in the 1000s of dollars a month? Oh, you know, I don't 684 00:42:15,240 --> 00:42:18,930 know more more than that. 1010 grand a month, I don't know, 685 00:42:18,930 --> 00:42:23,790 you, you take 110 1015, I don't know it's got it's got to be a 686 00:42:23,790 --> 00:42:27,390 lot. So you take, let's just take you to Isa, you take one 687 00:42:27,390 --> 00:42:33,690 month of of CDN hosting cost, dump that into a into a fat 688 00:42:33,720 --> 00:42:40,500 server at a colo and just in host as much as you can. And if 689 00:42:40,500 --> 00:42:45,480 every host does that, and they all begin to share the load. And 690 00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:48,060 all the peer and all the community and the peer to peer. 691 00:42:48,060 --> 00:42:48,660 I mean, I would 692 00:42:49,170 --> 00:42:52,080 Adam Curry: you were you remove the big you remove the biggest 693 00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:53,190 problem they have. 694 00:42:53,820 --> 00:42:57,000 Dave Jones: Yeah. And I mean, like I've got, I would run us, I 695 00:42:57,000 --> 00:43:00,870 would run a decent sized server at Linode. For this, 696 00:43:00,900 --> 00:43:03,390 Adam Curry: I think I think this will be a very interesting free 697 00:43:03,390 --> 00:43:06,480 market experiment, we're going to see what happens, we're going 698 00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:09,090 to see so you know, what, if I switch? No, not that I'm going 699 00:43:09,090 --> 00:43:13,380 to because we're pretty happy with our setup. But if I switch 700 00:43:13,380 --> 00:43:17,910 no agenda to this? I mean, where would we wind up? I mean, would 701 00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:22,020 I be we start pushing a terabit per second, the minute we 702 00:43:22,020 --> 00:43:24,990 release, you know, so this will be very interesting to see what 703 00:43:24,990 --> 00:43:29,910 falls down. If we did something like that. But for 99% of all 704 00:43:29,910 --> 00:43:33,630 the podcasts out there, this is a solution. And I'm not saying 705 00:43:33,900 --> 00:43:37,140 that you need to go full on sovereign and not use your 706 00:43:37,140 --> 00:43:40,140 hosting company. Quite the opposite. The hosting companies 707 00:43:40,140 --> 00:43:43,140 can get into this game. Like I think that's what you're saying, 708 00:43:43,140 --> 00:43:43,470 too. 709 00:43:44,070 --> 00:43:46,860 Dave Jones: Yeah. Just I'm thinking, well, Todd Todd just 710 00:43:46,860 --> 00:43:50,460 said 35,000 a month. I mean, like, there you go, you're, 711 00:43:50,730 --> 00:43:54,060 you're mainly what I'm saying is you as a hosting company, Todd 712 00:43:54,060 --> 00:44:02,610 being a baller, 35k month, man. There's a, as a hosting company, 713 00:44:02,610 --> 00:44:05,670 you have to look at this before the future, you know, for the 714 00:44:05,670 --> 00:44:10,170 future. And at least say, Okay, this is worth considering some 715 00:44:10,170 --> 00:44:13,170 sort of investment. I mean, let it play out, let it you know, 716 00:44:13,170 --> 00:44:17,100 let it play out for the next few months and see no stability and 717 00:44:17,100 --> 00:44:21,540 how it progresses. But be ready be ready to make to spend a few 718 00:44:21,540 --> 00:44:26,880 $1,000 to make an investment in a in a box or in something to 719 00:44:26,910 --> 00:44:31,530 get you into this game because it will like I mean, just just 720 00:44:31,530 --> 00:44:37,650 think about that. That's That's true decentralization that we 721 00:44:37,650 --> 00:44:43,110 said this before the hosting company, the CDN, the delivery 722 00:44:43,110 --> 00:44:49,800 of the audio part. That's not the fun part of doing what you 723 00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:55,050 do as a host, right? That's just a thing. It's like the dirty 724 00:44:55,050 --> 00:44:58,080 thing that you just have to do if the plumbing of your hotel. 725 00:44:58,620 --> 00:45:02,250 Yeah, exactly. I mean, you thing could be that all the audio and 726 00:45:02,250 --> 00:45:06,120 the delivery of it is so commoditized and has been 727 00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:12,270 commoditized for 25 years. That's not the value, add. The 728 00:45:12,270 --> 00:45:17,040 value add is all the software and support and user interfaces, 729 00:45:17,070 --> 00:45:20,550 tooling and all that stuff that you layer on, the delivery of 730 00:45:20,550 --> 00:45:27,030 the audio is just pure cost to you. I'm feeling a need to make 731 00:45:27,030 --> 00:45:27,750 that better, isn't 732 00:45:27,750 --> 00:45:29,850 Adam Curry: it. So I'm so excited about this, because we 733 00:45:29,850 --> 00:45:33,570 can also start to create, um, there's just a lot that can be 734 00:45:33,570 --> 00:45:36,450 created out of this. Now the main thing we need is we need 735 00:45:36,450 --> 00:45:40,560 write ups, we need people to be writing up how it works. I mean, 736 00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:44,400 I've been sending people to music side project.com, there's 737 00:45:44,550 --> 00:45:48,150 the there's a pretty decent tutorial video that shows how to 738 00:45:48,150 --> 00:45:53,610 do it with a with a with the pod press plugin. wavelength.com is 739 00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:57,540 probably still the easiest at this point. But you don't get 740 00:45:57,540 --> 00:45:59,520 the benefit of the splits. I mean, I know that they're going 741 00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:05,670 to work on it, I would expect there will be more more music 742 00:46:05,700 --> 00:46:11,310 based hosts popping up. And now you can actually add IPFS on 743 00:46:11,310 --> 00:46:17,160 that end as well. You can use IPFS podcasting.net for a music 744 00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:21,630 hosting service. In fact, it's probably very valid to do it 745 00:46:21,630 --> 00:46:24,570 that way. Because you know, that's going to be relatively 746 00:46:24,570 --> 00:46:28,650 low. You know, number of accesses will be different than 747 00:46:28,650 --> 00:46:35,880 a podcast. Oh, I did. So just as a side note, James Vaughn, his 748 00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:40,920 random music project thing. He thought that he should be a 749 00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:44,190 music tag, which made him unfindable in the index. 750 00:46:46,170 --> 00:46:48,390 Dave Jones: Why did it make him findable to be music? 751 00:46:49,410 --> 00:46:53,760 Adam Curry: Under? Under fountain? Fountain? 752 00:46:54,330 --> 00:46:57,180 Dave Jones: Oh, because fountain segregates that separate tan? 753 00:46:57,180 --> 00:46:59,100 Yep. Oh, yeah. Okay. 754 00:46:59,190 --> 00:47:02,400 Adam Curry: And I also think is just incorrect. I mean, if it's 755 00:47:02,460 --> 00:47:06,510 a I think all of even playlists should be should not be music, 756 00:47:06,510 --> 00:47:07,620 music should be music. 757 00:47:09,030 --> 00:47:12,030 Dave Jones: Yes, it should be pure. Yeah. 758 00:47:12,150 --> 00:47:15,000 Adam Curry: So I actually reset in the index to make sure that 759 00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:17,850 that got reindex because he had made the change in his feed, but 760 00:47:17,850 --> 00:47:23,400 it wasn't going all the way through a couple of ideas. If 761 00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:29,460 you are in an app and view I want to boost the song, it'd be 762 00:47:29,460 --> 00:47:35,130 great if the boost button reflects that. You know, maybe, 763 00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:39,630 you know, maybe we need to think about boost the show or boost. 764 00:47:39,930 --> 00:47:44,550 And then title of the song, just so people have a visual cue 765 00:47:44,550 --> 00:47:49,080 there as to what they're doing. That makes no sense. I don't 766 00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:53,550 know what you mean. Okay, so um, I'm just I'm using pod pod 767 00:47:53,550 --> 00:47:56,610 verse. But I'm listening to the show that I want to I want to 768 00:47:56,610 --> 00:48:00,450 boost and the boost button title has actually changed to boost. 769 00:48:00,780 --> 00:48:03,090 You know, Sarah Jade. 770 00:48:04,950 --> 00:48:07,320 Dave Jones: Oh, like it's calling out the where the where 771 00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:07,410 the 772 00:48:07,770 --> 00:48:10,920 Adam Curry: dynamic change the dynamic change, just as a 773 00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:12,900 thought. I mean, anyway, everyone's interface is 774 00:48:12,900 --> 00:48:15,240 different. There was one just an 775 00:48:15,240 --> 00:48:18,000 Dave Jones: After Effects after the fact like fade out pop up. 776 00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:20,490 This says, you know, a boost sent to Sarah, Jake, Bob, 777 00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:23,400 Adam Curry: something like that. Yeah. I don't know about after 778 00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:26,970 the fact. It would be nice for people to have a visual cue 779 00:48:26,970 --> 00:48:29,820 right there. Like when you hit this boost is going to this 780 00:48:29,820 --> 00:48:33,900 artist. I mean, it was wonderful to watch Tina, because she was 781 00:48:33,900 --> 00:48:39,240 listening to the show. And the song ended. In the end. She's 782 00:48:39,240 --> 00:48:41,640 like, Well, I really liked that song. And I said at that moment 783 00:48:41,670 --> 00:48:44,010 on the show, I said, Hey, if you'd like a song can always 784 00:48:44,010 --> 00:48:46,590 rewind and go back. And she actually did it. I saw her do 785 00:48:46,590 --> 00:48:50,430 it. Oh, I can do that. She went back to the song and then 786 00:48:50,430 --> 00:48:53,760 boosted it. And yeah, so these types of things are important 787 00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:56,850 for people to understand. Because it's just not really I 788 00:48:56,850 --> 00:49:00,480 mean, sewer still so new in the communication of this. That's a 789 00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:03,450 request that came in, I thought was interesting. Someone said, I 790 00:49:03,450 --> 00:49:08,460 would like to boost all the artists all at one time. So all 791 00:49:08,460 --> 00:49:13,710 the songs in the show all at once. But I don't know how we do 792 00:49:13,710 --> 00:49:16,980 that. If it's crazy if that's just one person, but I wanted to 793 00:49:16,980 --> 00:49:19,830 mention it because I thought it was an interesting, an 794 00:49:19,830 --> 00:49:21,660 interesting, interesting thought, 795 00:49:22,050 --> 00:49:25,980 Dave Jones: well, you know that so I like seeing what we're 796 00:49:25,980 --> 00:49:30,690 seeing with the different apps trying different interface 797 00:49:30,780 --> 00:49:36,720 styles like fountain asker put a lot of thought into that into 798 00:49:36,720 --> 00:49:42,720 that interface. It absolutely would. So you can go into too. 799 00:49:43,170 --> 00:49:46,020 As you're listening to the show. You can go in and look and it 800 00:49:46,020 --> 00:49:50,850 will show you all the referenced song songs in Yes, yeah. And you 801 00:49:50,850 --> 00:49:54,990 can boost them individually. So I like that a lot. I like that. 802 00:49:55,020 --> 00:49:58,380 Yeah. That would be a place where you can sort of roll that 803 00:49:58,380 --> 00:50:02,100 up to and say okay, do you want to boost each individually or do 804 00:50:02,100 --> 00:50:04,260 you want to boost them all at once? So yeah, there's a lot. 805 00:50:04,260 --> 00:50:08,010 There's a lot of user interface. Since this is so brand new and 806 00:50:08,010 --> 00:50:12,570 so out there as far as like, what is actually happening? 807 00:50:13,380 --> 00:50:18,720 That's a that's a field that's ripe for, you know, for playing 808 00:50:19,050 --> 00:50:19,650 all kinds 809 00:50:20,220 --> 00:50:22,170 Unknown: of stuff. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. 810 00:50:23,820 --> 00:50:28,980 Dave Jones: I mean, I mean, so if you got something else to go, 811 00:50:28,980 --> 00:50:30,570 go ahead, but I want to talk about cast Matic. 812 00:50:31,350 --> 00:50:32,730 Adam Curry: Now let's talk about casting Matic. 813 00:50:33,420 --> 00:50:36,450 Dave Jones: Yeah. So like that, that sort of plays into the 814 00:50:36,570 --> 00:50:39,660 thing with with cast, Matt. And this is going to apply to any 815 00:50:39,660 --> 00:50:43,380 app that doesn't have a server back end. So that would be 816 00:50:43,380 --> 00:50:52,800 antenna pod. So they, those apps have unique constraints, but in 817 00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:59,490 a in a sense. So I love these types of apps, podcast apps. In 818 00:50:59,490 --> 00:51:01,080 a sense, they're the most pure, 819 00:51:01,140 --> 00:51:05,940 Adam Curry: let's just let's set the stage here. Again, we, we 820 00:51:05,970 --> 00:51:09,960 you, we've always said, Whatever we do, it has to work for 821 00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:13,680 everybody. We can't just work for a couple of apps, if there's 822 00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:17,610 a serverless app that has all our stuff has to work for that 823 00:51:17,610 --> 00:51:21,210 as well. So that's the that's the driving factor behind this 824 00:51:21,240 --> 00:51:22,710 specific conversation. 825 00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:28,710 Dave Jones: Yes. Yeah, in in, there's a sense in which they're 826 00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:32,670 the the serverless apps, you could think of like if you want 827 00:51:32,670 --> 00:51:37,200 to go old school things like dog catcher in an apple podcasts at 828 00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:42,120 one time was, in a sense, they connected to a directory, but 829 00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:46,200 they didn't that's about it. So the serverless apps are really 830 00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:49,350 some of the like, they're they're pure podcast apps there 831 00:51:49,350 --> 00:51:53,250 are. So they have built in RSS aggregation. And they just do 832 00:51:53,250 --> 00:51:56,610 everything on device. And there's so many benefits to 833 00:51:56,610 --> 00:52:02,220 doing it that way. It's very, it's a great experience. And 834 00:52:02,220 --> 00:52:08,160 it's easy, and it's cheap. So whatever has this this lot, 835 00:52:08,220 --> 00:52:12,090 though, everything has to work for that type of app. The live 836 00:52:12,090 --> 00:52:15,900 experience has to work for this type of app, the value time 837 00:52:15,900 --> 00:52:21,750 splits have to work. And so so far, most of it has, but there's 838 00:52:21,750 --> 00:52:25,950 a couple of things that are an issue in one of the in. One of 839 00:52:25,950 --> 00:52:35,670 them is the value time splits, referencing remote items. So so 840 00:52:35,670 --> 00:52:40,650 first of all, referencing the remote item is the exact correct 841 00:52:40,650 --> 00:52:47,100 way to do all of this completely agree. Because you add any if 842 00:52:47,100 --> 00:52:50,400 you here's what you could do. So let's think about this. You what 843 00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:56,340 you could do is you could do you could have done your live show. 844 00:52:57,150 --> 00:53:02,220 It's an after the fact you could have hit a magic button. I love 845 00:53:02,220 --> 00:53:09,600 those that would have resolved all of these remote items into 846 00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:17,880 hard coded value time splits with the with the value blocks 847 00:53:18,180 --> 00:53:22,560 pulled in from those remote items directly into the feed and 848 00:53:22,890 --> 00:53:24,060 and now it's static, 849 00:53:24,090 --> 00:53:28,560 Adam Curry: which is basically what the split kid does. 850 00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:33,540 Dave Jones: Okay, so that that's, that would be one way 851 00:53:33,540 --> 00:53:39,330 but you then you lose the ability to track over time later 852 00:53:39,330 --> 00:53:42,360 on. Let's just say you post that episode and six months a year, 853 00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:49,290 two years from now. Ainsley Costello changes her value block 854 00:53:50,220 --> 00:53:52,020 to reference a different wallet. 855 00:53:52,350 --> 00:53:58,110 Adam Curry: Oh, I'm sorry. Okay. Yes. The Gotcha. Yes. This is 856 00:53:58,110 --> 00:54:01,170 where the this is where the GUID ID the GUID comes in. 857 00:54:01,589 --> 00:54:04,979 Dave Jones: Right. And this is this is confusing, because this 858 00:54:04,979 --> 00:54:07,889 is the part of the confusing nature of what value time split 859 00:54:07,919 --> 00:54:09,269 does in this this. 860 00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:10,980 Adam Curry: And let me throw something in there for you. 861 00:54:10,980 --> 00:54:13,290 Because there's a huge bit of confusion just so you can 862 00:54:13,290 --> 00:54:16,500 address this and then I'll be quiet. Sure, there's a lot of 863 00:54:16,500 --> 00:54:22,020 confusion between the value time split and chapters. There's a 864 00:54:22,020 --> 00:54:25,020 lot of people thinking well, so it's tied to the chapters 865 00:54:25,020 --> 00:54:29,460 because what they're seeing is album art rotating as part of 866 00:54:29,460 --> 00:54:32,790 the chapters, while the value block switches. It's two 867 00:54:32,790 --> 00:54:36,870 independent things. Right, but just adjusting I mean, I think 868 00:54:36,870 --> 00:54:39,000 Sam Sethi was also confused about it. 869 00:54:40,890 --> 00:54:44,220 Dave Jones: The reason will to divert for a second the reason 870 00:54:44,220 --> 00:54:49,500 that we talked early on in Chapter seemed like a natural 871 00:54:49,500 --> 00:54:55,290 place to do these value time splits. But there's an 872 00:54:55,290 --> 00:54:59,610 ideological thing here where you want you don't want a major 873 00:54:59,610 --> 00:55:04,230 feature You're dependent on another major, major feature. 874 00:55:04,260 --> 00:55:07,890 Yeah, right, these things and I thought Sam Sethi made this 875 00:55:07,890 --> 00:55:12,930 point, really good. And in the episode, where he interviewed 876 00:55:12,930 --> 00:55:16,320 you, which is the whole idea of these things from the beginning 877 00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:20,940 has been that they're modular, yeah, you can take various tags 878 00:55:20,970 --> 00:55:25,230 and plug them in in different places to create new feature 879 00:55:25,230 --> 00:55:27,960 structures of things that can do things that the previous things 880 00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:31,980 could not do by themselves. Imperfect example here is remote 881 00:55:31,980 --> 00:55:38,640 item, remote item can be can be a standalone element in the feed 882 00:55:38,670 --> 00:55:42,450 if you want to make a playlist, or it can be a child of the 883 00:55:42,450 --> 00:55:47,070 value time split tag, where now it means go pull in a specific 884 00:55:47,070 --> 00:55:51,750 piece of data. So these, these are all of these, these elements 885 00:55:51,750 --> 00:55:55,440 are modular, so if you think of this as features, so if you go 886 00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:58,320 like let's say, ideologically, you go one, step up the chain 887 00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:04,770 here and say, okay, value time split represents a feature. And 888 00:56:04,770 --> 00:56:10,440 that feature is the ability to change a value destined value 889 00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:15,540 block wallet destination on the fly. That feature should not be 890 00:56:15,540 --> 00:56:21,990 dependent on some other feature, let's just say. Let's just say 891 00:56:21,990 --> 00:56:25,530 alternate enclosure. You don't want you don't want one of these 892 00:56:25,830 --> 00:56:28,560 brands to be dependent ideologically on another thing, 893 00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:34,110 so. So book a call. And then the reason is because an app, you 894 00:56:34,110 --> 00:56:36,240 don't want them to you don't want them to you don't want to 895 00:56:36,240 --> 00:56:41,760 require them to write a chapter parser in order to get the 896 00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:44,640 ability to switch wallet, right, yeah, concurrently, perhaps, 897 00:56:44,820 --> 00:56:47,130 yes, some apps don't want it, maybe, maybe they don't want to 898 00:56:47,250 --> 00:56:48,090 support chapters. 899 00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:50,610 Adam Curry: Right? Well, they will be pushed off the cliff, 900 00:56:50,610 --> 00:56:51,150 but okay. 901 00:56:52,980 --> 00:56:57,750 Dave Jones: Yes. So like, maybe here's a, here's an example. 902 00:56:58,710 --> 00:57:04,950 Maybe they don't feel a need to support chapters, because they 903 00:57:04,950 --> 00:57:10,950 target devices that don't have interfaces. Maybe it's an iPod 904 00:57:10,950 --> 00:57:15,150 Shuffle. Okay, there's no, there's no benefit. They see two 905 00:57:15,150 --> 00:57:17,460 chapters, right. But they still want to list these, they still 906 00:57:17,460 --> 00:57:22,770 want to be able to switch remote wallets. So there's, there's a 907 00:57:22,770 --> 00:57:25,770 reason you don't want to force that. So anyway, that we've 908 00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:29,520 we've just established that. So that this decision was made to 909 00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:35,130 put this information in the XML of the feed itself. And so 910 00:57:35,130 --> 00:57:37,740 that's when Alex came up with this value, time split element. 911 00:57:37,740 --> 00:57:45,180 Yeah. The value time split references, it can reference two 912 00:57:45,210 --> 00:57:50,610 things it can reference, it can you can put a value block 913 00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:54,420 directly into the value time slip, where you just have value 914 00:57:54,420 --> 00:58:00,660 recipients defined statically, just like a value block. Or, 915 00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:05,100 instead, you can put in remote, a remote item tag, which means 916 00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:12,720 app. When you see this, go look up this feed its current version 917 00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:17,040 of the XML, go grab a copy, extract the wallet data out of 918 00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:22,440 it and use that. So one is a live lookup in real time. The 919 00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:25,110 other one is static forever data that never changes, 920 00:58:25,140 --> 00:58:28,020 Adam Curry: right? And so the live lookup is the issue. 921 00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:33,690 Dave Jones: Right? So the live look. Like I said before, you 922 00:58:33,690 --> 00:58:39,750 could make it where the post production tool, extracts it all 923 00:58:39,750 --> 00:58:44,370 at, at at at production time and create static items, that's less 924 00:58:44,370 --> 00:58:46,950 than ideal because you don't track these things changes over 925 00:58:46,950 --> 00:58:51,750 time. But then the burden of a remote item reference is that 926 00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:55,770 things like antenna pod and cast Matic have to do live lookups 927 00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:59,820 and potentially, the deck. That's a ton of traffic. 928 00:59:00,390 --> 00:59:03,030 Adam Curry: And a lot of a lot of things that can go wrong. 929 00:59:03,780 --> 00:59:05,790 Dave Jones: Yeah, because they have to pull the whole feed down 930 00:59:05,790 --> 00:59:07,530 and parse this in parse it. 931 00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:10,350 Adam Curry: Yeah, in real time, while someone's waiting for the 932 00:59:10,350 --> 00:59:11,190 show to play. 933 00:59:11,730 --> 00:59:13,830 Dave Jones: Yeah, they would have to be sort of like reading 934 00:59:13,830 --> 00:59:18,540 ahead for or doing it, or looking just the same way they 935 00:59:18,540 --> 00:59:22,050 do chapters, right, grab a copy of the file is sort of like 936 00:59:22,050 --> 00:59:26,790 whenever you hit play, and recheck everything and see. So 937 00:59:28,050 --> 00:59:36,930 really, I see that as a burden on us with API to provide more 938 00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:42,840 efficient, look up tools to make this easier on those sorts of 939 00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:50,490 apps. So that they can get this data quick and with with a lot 940 00:59:50,490 --> 00:59:56,820 of efficiency, so that would be something like an API endpoint, 941 00:59:57,300 --> 01:00:04,680 where cast ematic They can call they can call out to this 942 01:00:04,680 --> 01:00:10,890 endpoint and just get a real time list of all of the value 943 01:00:10,890 --> 01:00:16,320 splits with their wallets resolved in one go. 944 01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:20,220 Adam Curry: Right. But it's unlike the value block. It's not 945 01:00:20,220 --> 01:00:24,090 a shim, because it has to exist in the feed initially, in order 946 01:00:24,090 --> 01:00:25,860 for it to be stored in the index. 947 01:00:26,610 --> 01:00:29,220 Dave Jones: Yeah, it's the same is the same thing is if it's in 948 01:00:29,220 --> 01:00:31,380 the feed, it's the feed, if it's in the feed, the feed is the 949 01:00:31,380 --> 01:00:34,410 source of truth. If it's not in the feed, because it's been 950 01:00:34,410 --> 01:00:37,860 shimmed, with, you know, with the partner APR the podcaster 951 01:00:37,860 --> 01:00:41,670 wallet, then then that's that was the podcasters choice. And 952 01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:46,710 we're honoring that too. So that, but if you some thinking, 953 01:00:47,820 --> 01:00:53,250 Okay, well, when you call, it should be as easy as loading a 954 01:00:53,250 --> 01:00:57,510 chapters file. Right? So and that means we would do all the 955 01:00:57,510 --> 01:01:04,470 resolution on our side ahead of time. Maybe pretend? I mean, 956 01:01:04,470 --> 01:01:10,230 every time the feeds parse Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So that's been 957 01:01:10,230 --> 01:01:13,050 behind what I've been trying to think through with the schema 958 01:01:13,050 --> 01:01:19,920 for the database. I'm getting, I'm trying to model what that's 959 01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:24,420 going to mean for us with the way the date the tables are 960 01:01:24,420 --> 01:01:30,600 going to be laid out. And so there's like, you could you can 961 01:01:30,600 --> 01:01:34,650 think about it this way. I posted the database schema 962 01:01:35,070 --> 01:01:42,000 online, if anybody wants to look at it. Yummy. is not nearly as 963 01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:47,130 yummy as you think it is. So it's unpacked, it's on the 964 01:01:47,130 --> 01:01:52,320 namespace as you meet the GitHub repo. There's a there's a repo 965 01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:55,650 for database. And it's just called database. And so there's 966 01:01:55,650 --> 01:02:01,410 the current here. We get the namespace we get the exact 967 01:02:01,410 --> 01:02:06,000 reference, if anybody wants to check it. Out, it was 968 01:02:06,030 --> 01:02:09,630 disgusting. Oh, is the old grimy? Yeah, I 969 01:02:09,630 --> 01:02:12,090 Adam Curry: just cleaned it up. Let me see. sounds it sounds 970 01:02:12,090 --> 01:02:13,560 better to I can 971 01:02:13,560 --> 01:02:15,360 Dave Jones: tell you real into what I'm saying here, as you're 972 01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:15,720 cleaning 973 01:02:15,720 --> 01:02:18,360 Adam Curry: nose is actually with my eyes closed in a zen 974 01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:21,300 mode, just just using the corner of my shirt to clean the bell 975 01:02:21,300 --> 01:02:24,060 while I was listening and visualizing the database. 976 01:02:24,060 --> 01:02:24,720 GitHub. 977 01:02:25,170 --> 01:02:28,110 Dave Jones: You polish in your dome? Yes, I, there it is. 978 01:02:28,860 --> 01:02:30,210 Unknown: I make the jokes around here. 979 01:02:32,190 --> 01:02:36,510 Dave Jones: It is called. It is in the podcast index. Org 980 01:02:36,870 --> 01:02:41,160 database repo. And the file is called PC API underscore schema 981 01:02:41,160 --> 01:02:45,900 dot SQL. So and that's just a, that's just the table structure. 982 01:02:49,080 --> 01:02:53,310 As you can see, there's a there's a news feeds table, 983 01:02:53,790 --> 01:02:57,750 which is podcast, the podcasts. And there's an episodes table, 984 01:02:57,780 --> 01:03:05,520 which is called NF items. So there's just for, for people who 985 01:03:05,520 --> 01:03:09,510 aren't database people, there's this notion within databases of 986 01:03:09,510 --> 01:03:14,280 what's called a foreign a foreign key. Or you could call 987 01:03:14,280 --> 01:03:19,380 it a foreign key, foreign key constraint. So if I have a table 988 01:03:19,680 --> 01:03:24,300 with pod, if I have a table called podcasts, and then I have 989 01:03:24,300 --> 01:03:29,970 another table called episodes, what I want is for the episodes 990 01:03:29,970 --> 01:03:35,520 table, for all the ever all these rows in the episodes 991 01:03:35,520 --> 01:03:41,430 table, to reference back to an ID of the podcast that they 992 01:03:41,430 --> 01:03:45,630 belong to in the podcast table. Okay, so there's a column in the 993 01:03:45,630 --> 01:03:49,980 podcast table called ID. And then there's a column in the 994 01:03:49,980 --> 01:03:55,050 episodes table called podcast ID. Well, that podcast ID column 995 01:03:55,050 --> 01:04:02,760 in the episodes table needs to be tied to the ID column in the 996 01:04:02,760 --> 01:04:07,200 podcast table. They need to be tied together in such a way i 997 01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:11,880 Yes, I say that if you were to do something like delete the 998 01:04:11,880 --> 01:04:16,110 podcast out of the podcast table, all the episodes with 999 01:04:16,110 --> 01:04:20,250 that podcast ID linked to it in the episodes table also get 1000 01:04:20,250 --> 01:04:25,650 deleted. So in don't get orphaned. So that's what you 1001 01:04:25,650 --> 01:04:29,250 call a foreign key constraint. So what you do is you're telling 1002 01:04:29,250 --> 01:04:34,650 the episodes table, hey, I have an index on this column here, 1003 01:04:34,650 --> 01:04:38,370 which is podcast ID and I have an there's a, there's also an 1004 01:04:38,370 --> 01:04:42,540 index over here on the podcast table under the ID column. I'm 1005 01:04:42,540 --> 01:04:45,690 going to I'm going that's a foreign key. So I'm going to go 1006 01:04:45,690 --> 01:04:51,270 and reference that in here's what I want to happen. I want if 1007 01:04:51,330 --> 01:04:55,620 the podcast ID over in the podcast table gets deleted, I 1008 01:04:55,620 --> 01:05:00,000 want to take this action. And that action could be do nothing 1009 01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:05,580 We'll leave it there, the action could be updated to change to 1010 01:05:05,580 --> 01:05:11,250 reflect the new ID, pour, it could be cascade. So you can 1011 01:05:11,250 --> 01:05:14,340 have, you can have these cascading actions that happen 1012 01:05:14,340 --> 01:05:19,080 across a foreign key set. This this is the typical way that you 1013 01:05:19,140 --> 01:05:23,160 set up relationships in a win is why it's called a relational 1014 01:05:23,160 --> 01:05:23,670 database. 1015 01:05:23,700 --> 01:05:27,450 Unknown: It's how I've always done it. Yes, it is. It is. All 1016 01:05:27,450 --> 01:05:30,900 your databases are relational. You bet. So 1017 01:05:32,640 --> 01:05:36,060 Dave Jones: when you're thinking of through this, this is this is 1018 01:05:36,060 --> 01:05:39,690 a complex set of tags. We know that we all know this. Where do 1019 01:05:39,690 --> 01:05:42,960 we know that value, time split and remote item IDs? These are 1020 01:05:43,080 --> 01:05:51,000 these are not easy tags to model know. So there is a table in our 1021 01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:55,230 database called NF Gu IDs. In the NF Gu IDs table is simple. 1022 01:05:55,350 --> 01:06:02,940 It's just a Gu ID column and a feed ID. Right. So the podcast 1023 01:06:02,970 --> 01:06:09,390 ID is there. And it says, Okay, this podcast ID is this Gu ID. 1024 01:06:09,570 --> 01:06:12,090 And there's a foreign key that relates back to the podcast 1025 01:06:12,090 --> 01:06:16,170 table to the end to new state stable. So that there's linkage 1026 01:06:16,170 --> 01:06:22,680 there. So the issue is where to make these links. 1027 01:06:23,970 --> 01:06:27,150 Adam Curry: What sort of bemrose is foreign key is antiquated. 1028 01:06:27,150 --> 01:06:34,890 They're now known as migrant keys. Thank you, I needed that 1029 01:06:34,890 --> 01:06:35,490 bemrose. 1030 01:06:39,540 --> 01:06:43,020 Dave Jones: Okay, you got me bemrose. That was good. Yes. 1031 01:06:43,530 --> 01:06:48,180 Thank you for making this not boring. So you could you could 1032 01:06:48,180 --> 01:06:51,480 do it that way. So would you say alright, should there be a 1033 01:06:51,480 --> 01:06:54,720 foreign key constraint on the goods table? For the remote 1034 01:06:54,720 --> 01:06:59,250 item? Is that the right place to link it? That would mean the 1035 01:06:59,250 --> 01:07:03,840 good? No, I mean, the good is has to exist. You can't link 1036 01:07:03,840 --> 01:07:07,230 right if you can't leave something blank. So that's not 1037 01:07:07,230 --> 01:07:10,980 good. Because some fields don't have a good before they need to 1038 01:07:10,980 --> 01:07:20,100 end up in in, in this as a rule with a remote item. So but so 1039 01:07:20,100 --> 01:07:22,830 what that does that mean that you're just going to break the 1040 01:07:22,830 --> 01:07:25,770 linkage and say, Okay, well, you don't, there doesn't have to be 1041 01:07:25,800 --> 01:07:29,550 a foreign key constraint, because that's not good. Because 1042 01:07:29,550 --> 01:07:32,790 if without foreign keys, then you you have slow joins, then 1043 01:07:32,790 --> 01:07:37,980 you have to do full table scans. So there's things like, I 1044 01:07:37,980 --> 01:07:41,550 started drawing this out. And there's just things that 1045 01:07:41,550 --> 01:07:44,520 they're, I don't think it's going to be possible to avoid 1046 01:07:44,520 --> 01:07:49,470 trade offs. Here. The value time split itself is pretty 1047 01:07:49,470 --> 01:07:55,200 straightforward. That tag looks a lot like the sound bites tag. 1048 01:07:55,200 --> 01:07:58,170 So it's pretty much like the sound bite table. But when you 1049 01:07:58,170 --> 01:08:05,250 bring in the remote item, that's when it gets messy. And like 1050 01:08:06,690 --> 01:08:09,510 because you end up with you can end up with duplicates, if you 1051 01:08:09,510 --> 01:08:14,460 don't have if you don't have the unique index. But then unique 1052 01:08:14,460 --> 01:08:22,050 index seems to not really work for this. So I I'm trying to be 1053 01:08:22,050 --> 01:08:23,490 as honest as I can. 1054 01:08:24,960 --> 01:08:26,310 Adam Curry: Sounds like you really don't know what you're 1055 01:08:26,310 --> 01:08:31,860 doing. Well, I mean, you haven't made a choice yet. Let's put it 1056 01:08:31,860 --> 01:08:32,370 that way. 1057 01:08:33,720 --> 01:08:35,760 Unknown: Putting the blame out wrong. Hold on 1058 01:08:35,760 --> 01:08:37,260 Adam Curry: on lease offering it for you, you know 1059 01:08:37,260 --> 01:08:43,290 Unknown: what's really hot? Open Source. Send your pull request 1060 01:08:43,290 --> 01:08:43,950 now. 1061 01:08:45,569 --> 01:08:49,529 Dave Jones: Old school you had dug deep in the back? I did. I 1062 01:08:49,529 --> 01:08:52,229 got ISOs by the way, so far it will go Okay. 1063 01:08:53,760 --> 01:08:55,500 Unknown: I see what you got here. Okay, yeah. 1064 01:08:57,779 --> 01:09:00,749 Dave Jones: So anyway, that I'm going to be honest to say that 1065 01:09:00,899 --> 01:09:04,079 I'm not sure exactly what structure this is going to take. 1066 01:09:04,079 --> 01:09:06,299 I think there's going to be trade offs. But I'm committed to 1067 01:09:06,299 --> 01:09:12,539 get something working. Of course, for for this, because 1068 01:09:12,689 --> 01:09:18,929 because they need to these apps need to be first class citizens 1069 01:09:18,959 --> 01:09:22,619 in podcasting. 2.0 it is it's not fair to leave any of these 1070 01:09:22,619 --> 01:09:27,389 apps where they can't do these things. Part of that, but part 1071 01:09:27,389 --> 01:09:29,429 of that is going to be a good resolver. And brands already 1072 01:09:29,429 --> 01:09:35,069 written the code for that. Oh, and he's running one. As soon as 1073 01:09:35,069 --> 01:09:38,669 I get these. Since I get the value, time split and all that 1074 01:09:38,669 --> 01:09:40,979 stuff. It seems like get that schema stuff settled and get an 1075 01:09:40,979 --> 01:09:45,179 API endpoint written. That's the thing I'm working on right now. 1076 01:09:45,869 --> 01:09:49,409 But then next, I'm going to switch to the good resolver and 1077 01:09:49,409 --> 01:09:51,479 we're going to run one, two, because it's cheap. And we're 1078 01:09:51,479 --> 01:09:53,699 going to load balances sort of like we do with piping dot 1079 01:09:53,699 --> 01:09:56,729 cloud. And that'll give everybody the ability to have 1080 01:09:56,729 --> 01:10:03,989 quick good lookups So anyway that we're we're building this 1081 01:10:04,019 --> 01:10:07,289 stuff and it's going to be a little messy but I think it's I 1082 01:10:07,289 --> 01:10:11,039 think once we sort of get a little bit further into it we'll 1083 01:10:11,039 --> 01:10:15,089 be able to have something that doesn't leave anybody out but 1084 01:10:15,089 --> 01:10:16,289 Nanos crazy 1085 01:10:17,850 --> 01:10:21,810 Adam Curry: that's what we're looking forward. Wow. Okay, big 1086 01:10:21,840 --> 01:10:25,740 big changes here at the index long way to get sorry for that. 1087 01:10:26,400 --> 01:10:29,340 No, no, no, I'll tell you what, why don't we take a breather one 1088 01:10:29,340 --> 01:10:32,580 play song and I'll play song I'd love to Yeah, okay I'm going to 1089 01:10:32,580 --> 01:10:36,450 switch the block right now as we're going it Sam means listen 1090 01:10:36,450 --> 01:10:37,020 to Kalina 1091 01:10:38,190 --> 01:10:39,450 Dave Jones: Leo fan 1092 01:10:44,910 --> 01:10:49,920 Unknown: it's just a matter of pee 1093 01:10:56,760 --> 01:10:58,920 live television 1094 01:11:10,560 --> 01:11:11,250 season 1095 01:11:32,250 --> 01:11:33,120 Kareena? 1096 01:12:10,620 --> 01:12:11,310 Go back 1097 01:12:19,710 --> 01:12:28,020 to two see 1098 01:12:54,960 --> 01:12:55,290 way 1099 01:13:42,090 --> 01:13:49,800 so much easier than sit in any way you want to go. 1100 01:13:50,700 --> 01:13:55,950 Adam Curry: Kalina. What a great tune isn't that I love Sam means 1101 01:13:56,430 --> 01:13:59,850 his games got chops? Yeah, he's got he's got a whole album out. 1102 01:14:00,510 --> 01:14:03,510 I think maybe even more than one album. And of course, if you're 1103 01:14:03,510 --> 01:14:06,690 listening on a modern podcast app, your Satoshis were switched 1104 01:14:06,690 --> 01:14:10,440 to his wallet. And if you boosted during that song that 1105 01:14:10,440 --> 01:14:13,650 went to him as well, thank you for supporting value for value 1106 01:14:13,650 --> 01:14:14,250 music. 1107 01:14:15,060 --> 01:14:16,560 Dave Jones: It's like that you're still playing songs on 1108 01:14:16,560 --> 01:14:18,090 our show. That's Oh, yeah. 1109 01:14:18,120 --> 01:14:20,400 Adam Curry: Well, we also me people still need stuff to test 1110 01:14:20,400 --> 01:14:23,580 with. I mean, I'm, I'm going to drop another booster gram ball 1111 01:14:23,580 --> 01:14:28,500 tomorrow. Oh, yeah, I'm trying to do like Saturday. I mean, I 1112 01:14:28,500 --> 01:14:31,530 need it has to be a day that I'm not already doing a podcast. 1113 01:14:33,120 --> 01:14:35,100 Dave Jones: As you're getting harder to find. Yeah, but 1114 01:14:35,130 --> 01:14:37,500 Adam Curry: you know, I had some fun this morning. It's I'm 1115 01:14:37,500 --> 01:14:41,340 trying to make Friday kind of my Sabbath. I'm not doing I'm not 1116 01:14:41,340 --> 01:14:45,240 doing any Gitmo nation stuff. You know, I'll skim through the 1117 01:14:45,240 --> 01:14:48,000 emails. Everything that looks no agenda related. I'll just leave 1118 01:14:48,000 --> 01:14:52,080 that for for Saturday when I do show prep. So 1119 01:14:52,230 --> 01:14:53,880 Dave Jones: today's your Sabbath. It's like we're it's 1120 01:14:53,880 --> 01:14:54,780 like we're in church together. 1121 01:14:54,809 --> 01:14:57,989 Adam Curry: I know. Yeah. We are in church because this is not 1122 01:14:58,529 --> 01:15:02,279 work. The drill Yeah. Yeah cathedral thank you the podcast 1123 01:15:02,279 --> 01:15:07,049 YouTube for don't get the draw because this is all fun and I 1124 01:15:07,199 --> 01:15:10,469 picked out a number of songs I think I might have heard that 1125 01:15:10,469 --> 01:15:14,849 one on James's show not I think about it you know just and I'm 1126 01:15:14,849 --> 01:15:18,059 running through Ellen beats and running through wave lake and 1127 01:15:18,779 --> 01:15:21,539 then look at through email people suggesting songs and 1128 01:15:21,539 --> 01:15:25,409 people sending in stuff and the show it's Yeah, but of course we 1129 01:15:25,409 --> 01:15:27,689 need to do on our show. This is where we still run with scissors 1130 01:15:27,689 --> 01:15:30,449 so people can always know there's something to test on our 1131 01:15:30,449 --> 01:15:30,809 show. 1132 01:15:31,319 --> 01:15:33,419 Dave Jones: So you're gonna be live on set? Yeah, I'm 1133 01:15:33,420 --> 01:15:36,360 Adam Curry: gonna drop it live drop it live job. Yeah, I think 1134 01:15:36,360 --> 01:15:41,160 around 1230 Probably. That's just a little side note about 1135 01:15:41,160 --> 01:15:44,850 all this stuff. This could not have come at a better time. When 1136 01:15:45,240 --> 01:15:49,200 I think I mentioned that on the on the ball. When this Vanity 1137 01:15:49,200 --> 01:15:52,770 Fair article come out and this Susanna, I think her name is she 1138 01:15:52,770 --> 01:15:57,570 was on. On the pod pod news weekly review. No rubbish. 1139 01:15:57,600 --> 01:16:04,110 Rebecca. Rebecca sounds good. Yeah. And like this word, the 1140 01:16:04,110 --> 01:16:07,560 title of the article was after the podcast Gold Rush is audio 1141 01:16:07,560 --> 01:16:09,030 to corporate to be cool. 1142 01:16:09,660 --> 01:16:12,840 Dave Jones: Yes, she's an ISO canon. All of my assets are from 1143 01:16:12,840 --> 01:16:17,220 her. She's no, she's amazing. And amazingly clear and concise, 1144 01:16:17,280 --> 01:16:21,540 in like, pungent voice. It's Yeah, I kind of feel like that 1145 01:16:21,540 --> 01:16:22,080 too. 1146 01:16:22,920 --> 01:16:26,400 Adam Curry: pungent, pungent voice a good way of describing 1147 01:16:26,400 --> 01:16:32,430 it. And, and for me, it's like we just opened up a whole new 1148 01:16:32,430 --> 01:16:37,950 category of podcast. And I think it's golden days now for 1149 01:16:37,950 --> 01:16:42,270 podcasting. This is the moment to get into this is the moment 1150 01:16:42,270 --> 01:16:46,560 to start music shows like this, the ultimate discovery is to 1151 01:16:46,560 --> 01:16:50,610 have you know, someone you listen to who's who picks songs. 1152 01:16:51,570 --> 01:16:54,210 You may not like them all. But hey, we've made a fast forward 1153 01:16:54,210 --> 01:16:59,760 button. We got chapters, all these all these handy little 1154 01:16:59,760 --> 01:17:03,420 tools. But you know, it's the ultimate discovery tool for 1155 01:17:03,420 --> 01:17:06,510 music. And I know people will be listening to the Musa Graham 1156 01:17:06,510 --> 01:17:09,180 ball to see you know what I'm playing. And believe me, I plan 1157 01:17:09,180 --> 01:17:12,540 on playing songs I played last week again, because I like them 1158 01:17:12,540 --> 01:17:15,810 so much. But you know, it's not like it has to be new music 1159 01:17:15,810 --> 01:17:19,230 every single show. No, no, I want people to think oh, yeah, 1160 01:17:19,230 --> 01:17:22,680 let's let's do some groovy tunes. But we should have 1000 1161 01:17:23,100 --> 01:17:28,620 Music podcast 10,000, especially at this very moment. And two 1162 01:17:28,620 --> 01:17:31,200 things are happening. Two things happen. First off, Spotify is 1163 01:17:31,560 --> 01:17:35,850 hiking their price. We'll see how that goes for them. That's a 1164 01:17:35,850 --> 01:17:39,930 tough one. They're in negotiations with the music 1165 01:17:39,960 --> 01:17:44,220 industry now. And yeah, so those guys want a bigger piece of the 1166 01:17:44,220 --> 01:17:49,500 pie. So so the whole business model of Spotify is complicated. 1167 01:17:49,500 --> 01:17:54,870 Did you see what the what Ainsley Costello posted about 1168 01:17:54,900 --> 01:17:59,670 how the performance was a value for value versus the 60 other 1169 01:17:59,820 --> 01:18:04,080 platform? She's on? A herd? Is Sam 1170 01:18:04,110 --> 01:18:07,800 Dave Jones: quote her but I mean, it sounded like it was 1171 01:18:07,800 --> 01:18:09,390 like a 3x time. Yes. 1172 01:18:09,780 --> 01:18:13,560 Adam Curry: Yeah, it was 100 More than $100 value for value, 1173 01:18:13,770 --> 01:18:19,080 versus $36 on 60 other platforms. And she, I mean, it's 1174 01:18:19,080 --> 01:18:21,750 astounding, and I think it's just gonna keep on going. 1175 01:18:22,320 --> 01:18:25,860 Because people just love supporting music and the value 1176 01:18:25,860 --> 01:18:30,060 for value is exactly is exactly the way you want to go. Because 1177 01:18:30,060 --> 01:18:32,430 you'll be surprised how many people will send you more than 1178 01:18:32,430 --> 01:18:35,550 you thought you ever deserved. Now the second thing, and this 1179 01:18:35,550 --> 01:18:42,030 is sad. This is almost like the Pay Pal pocalypse Patreon had a 1180 01:18:42,390 --> 01:18:47,370 super meltdown. When they changed their their, their 1181 01:18:47,370 --> 01:18:53,160 processing their merchant processing to an Irish company. 1182 01:18:53,700 --> 01:18:59,880 And it's been denying payments of Patriot patrons. You have to 1183 01:18:59,910 --> 01:19:03,300 do go through a lot of hoops you have to call your credit card 1184 01:19:03,300 --> 01:19:06,240 company because they're seeing all of a sudden a foreign 1185 01:19:06,240 --> 01:19:10,170 payment coming through is being blocked. I mean, it's canceling 1186 01:19:10,350 --> 01:19:16,260 multiple patron Academy. It's a mess. To medicine. 1187 01:19:16,290 --> 01:19:18,720 Dave Jones: This is the Pay Pal pocalypse all over again. Yeah, 1188 01:19:19,080 --> 01:19:21,780 except this was not intention. People just don't come back. 1189 01:19:21,960 --> 01:19:24,840 Adam Curry: No Oh, absolutely. Oh man. It hurt no agenda real 1190 01:19:24,840 --> 01:19:29,160 big. People just went screw PayPal and they just stopped you 1191 01:19:29,160 --> 01:19:32,400 know, then they stopped and probably not even thinking that 1192 01:19:32,400 --> 01:19:37,500 they had monthlies or, you know, some kind of ongoing sustaining 1193 01:19:37,500 --> 01:19:40,650 donation payment going through it. Oh, yeah, that costs us 1194 01:19:40,680 --> 01:19:47,220 quite a bit. But understandable. So value for value. Man you I 1195 01:19:47,220 --> 01:19:54,150 mean, now we have to take note that not if but when lb goes 1196 01:19:54,150 --> 01:19:58,290 down because it'll happen. Oh, yeah, it'll happen. There's 1197 01:19:58,290 --> 01:20:01,740 gonna be blood on the moon. And there'll be a lot of unhappiness 1198 01:20:01,740 --> 01:20:04,080 for however long it will take for because you know, they're 1199 01:20:04,080 --> 01:20:07,650 gonna have some massive nodes thing they'll have to do and 1200 01:20:07,650 --> 01:20:11,100 it's going to really suck. Luckily, things can be switched 1201 01:20:11,100 --> 01:20:14,370 out relatively easily. And, you know, we don't wish this on 1202 01:20:14,370 --> 01:20:16,980 anybody we know that we were we've been around long enough, 1203 01:20:17,040 --> 01:20:19,650 this will happen. So we always have to be careful with 1204 01:20:19,650 --> 01:20:20,640 centralization. 1205 01:20:21,000 --> 01:20:24,480 Dave Jones: But you, but the thing about that, though, is 1206 01:20:25,500 --> 01:20:29,010 that nobody's subscriptions are affected by that, because there 1207 01:20:29,010 --> 01:20:33,360 are no subscriptions. No, no, I know. All of this stuff is just 1208 01:20:33,390 --> 01:20:37,920 it's purely voluntary is it's it's manual, the booster, the 1209 01:20:37,920 --> 01:20:42,480 booster grams are manual. The streaming sets are automatic. 1210 01:20:43,590 --> 01:20:46,620 You might you would have a temporary ID. Let's just say the 1211 01:20:46,620 --> 01:20:50,910 lb pocalypse happens. And now b goes down for you know, 1212 01:20:50,910 --> 01:21:01,380 adolescence, say two days. You then then it comes back up. And 1213 01:21:01,380 --> 01:21:07,770 the listener just never really knows. It's not a thing that 1214 01:21:07,800 --> 01:21:11,370 true not like you get an email that says, Hey, your credit 1215 01:21:11,370 --> 01:21:15,690 card, your prescription to x podcast just got right was 1216 01:21:15,690 --> 01:21:18,750 denied. Right right. Here, you gotta go do bunch of stuff to 1217 01:21:18,750 --> 01:21:22,230 set it all back up. Again, there's a lot of listeners that 1218 01:21:22,230 --> 01:21:24,420 aren't going to that are just going to be like, You know what, 1219 01:21:24,420 --> 01:21:28,500 I wasn't really listening to it all that much anyway. Yeah. So 1220 01:21:28,500 --> 01:21:30,210 yeah, 1221 01:21:30,210 --> 01:21:32,430 Adam Curry: it's the inverse. You're so right. I had another 1222 01:21:32,430 --> 01:21:35,880 thought. You know, there's still been this. No, because of 1223 01:21:35,880 --> 01:21:39,300 course, I pop back on nostre, which might Nasir usage has gone 1224 01:21:39,300 --> 01:21:45,360 down by 95%. I don't know. This is just not that interesting, I 1225 01:21:45,360 --> 01:21:48,960 guess. But I hopped on to promote the boost ball booster 1226 01:21:48,960 --> 01:21:52,590 Grand Ball figuring people would be interested. And that, you 1227 01:21:54,360 --> 01:21:56,760 know, I think there was definitely some interest but in 1228 01:21:56,760 --> 01:22:01,470 that I saw that. The, I guess I had a thread going with the with 1229 01:22:01,470 --> 01:22:05,700 the damos developer, Domus damos, whatever it is, 1230 01:22:06,030 --> 01:22:08,550 Dave Jones: oh, he actually responded to you. He Yeah, he is 1231 01:22:08,550 --> 01:22:09,480 like I don't exist. 1232 01:22:09,599 --> 01:22:11,969 Adam Curry: Oh, and he said quite adamantly, oh, they're 1233 01:22:11,969 --> 01:22:13,919 coming for podcasts and two point I don't sure where they're 1234 01:22:13,919 --> 01:22:18,299 coming. They're coming, which they haven't. But I was thinking 1235 01:22:18,899 --> 01:22:22,649 it's so different. What we're doing it is just because it's 1236 01:22:22,649 --> 01:22:29,549 Satoshis. It's completely different. Because this is not a 1237 01:22:29,549 --> 01:22:33,719 quick quid pro quo, where you you make a post, you get zapped, 1238 01:22:33,899 --> 01:22:37,319 or people say if you post this, I'll zap you. Right? That's, 1239 01:22:37,349 --> 01:22:41,279 that's not really this mechanism. Our mechanism is also 1240 01:22:41,279 --> 01:22:45,359 the words we use value for value. But as I was I forget, I 1241 01:22:45,359 --> 01:22:50,429 was talking to someone about this, about how the Satoshis 1242 01:22:50,489 --> 01:22:56,999 this value is really often the numerology. Now I'd say the 1243 01:22:56,999 --> 01:23:03,299 numerology is as important as the as the words itself. I mean, 1244 01:23:03,299 --> 01:23:12,839 if I just go through and look at 9999212122223333808, your 1245 01:23:12,839 --> 01:23:20,969 favorite 2112? You know, 777 1776 1948? I mean, there's a 1246 01:23:20,969 --> 01:23:24,179 lot of this. And you know what that is? This has been 1247 01:23:24,179 --> 01:23:27,179 determined by the Supreme Court of the United States and 1248 01:23:27,179 --> 01:23:34,139 Citizens United that speech money is speech. Oh, value for 1249 01:23:34,139 --> 01:23:38,459 value, canceling that from the App Store is a constitutional 1250 01:23:38,459 --> 01:23:43,589 violation. Now granted? Granted, they're not granted they're not 1251 01:23:43,589 --> 01:23:47,579 the government. But you can make a real case that you're 1252 01:23:47,579 --> 01:23:53,009 canceling speech not not payments. But it is boosts and 1253 01:23:53,009 --> 01:23:57,719 value for value streaming payments are speech. Go look at 1254 01:23:57,719 --> 01:24:02,879 Citizens United that's that's why you know, campaign. 1255 01:24:05,820 --> 01:24:08,040 Dave Jones: Is that the one that said like company companies or 1256 01:24:08,040 --> 01:24:08,610 people? 1257 01:24:10,590 --> 01:24:15,090 Adam Curry: No, I don't think that. Citizens United 1258 01:24:15,090 --> 01:24:17,490 conservative nonprofit group called says United challenge 1259 01:24:17,490 --> 01:24:21,450 campaign finance rules after the FEC. Thus the federal action 1260 01:24:21,450 --> 01:24:24,000 committee stopped it from promoting an airing of film 1261 01:24:24,000 --> 01:24:27,240 criticizing presidential candidate Hillary Clinton too 1262 01:24:27,240 --> 01:24:31,560 close to the presidential primaries. five to four majority 1263 01:24:31,560 --> 01:24:34,770 of the Supreme Court size sided with Citizens United ruling that 1264 01:24:34,770 --> 01:24:38,400 corporations and other outside groups can spend unlimited money 1265 01:24:38,430 --> 01:24:40,920 on elections because it's speech. 1266 01:24:41,280 --> 01:24:43,560 Dave Jones: Yeah, that's the one I'm talking about. Yeah, it's 1267 01:24:43,710 --> 01:24:48,750 they determined they determined that corporations have unlimited 1268 01:24:48,750 --> 01:24:49,980 donation capacity to 1269 01:24:49,980 --> 01:24:52,170 Adam Curry: create money, they speak with money money, they 1270 01:24:52,170 --> 01:24:53,100 hedge their 1271 01:24:53,130 --> 01:24:58,050 Dave Jones: because they're for the for the purposes of yeah, 1272 01:24:58,470 --> 01:25:02,670 they are they basically function as People they are persons yeah 1273 01:25:02,700 --> 01:25:05,160 in it they have space just like a person then 1274 01:25:05,160 --> 01:25:07,620 Adam Curry: they've and they have speech through campaign 1275 01:25:07,620 --> 01:25:11,550 finance but ours are so clear because we are literally using 1276 01:25:11,550 --> 01:25:15,630 Satoshis as speech Shall we thank a few people while we're 1277 01:25:15,630 --> 01:25:19,290 at it while we're let's see what they had to say. Oh yeah sure. 1278 01:25:19,740 --> 01:25:21,780 Or do you want to do you want to do another topic first? 1279 01:25:23,340 --> 01:25:25,830 Dave Jones: No, no go ahead. Because this will come back I 1280 01:25:25,830 --> 01:25:26,400 guess more stuff. 1281 01:25:26,430 --> 01:25:29,040 Adam Curry: Okay, because we got a lot a lot that came in while 1282 01:25:29,040 --> 01:25:31,560 we were just this shy everyone's happy to see us back. 1283 01:25:31,590 --> 01:25:32,640 Dave Jones: Yeah, that's true. 1284 01:25:33,720 --> 01:25:36,690 Adam Curry: 50,000 from Dred Scott boosting Kalina by Sam 1285 01:25:36,690 --> 01:25:39,990 means nice to beautiful so that went to Sam and he did it from 1286 01:25:39,990 --> 01:25:44,250 curio caster Dave Jones 800 That must have been to Sam clean as 1287 01:25:44,250 --> 01:25:46,890 well. I presume unless it was an imposter. 1288 01:25:47,460 --> 01:25:49,740 Dave Jones: well ahead of my lb wallet I feel like a cheapskate 1289 01:25:50,970 --> 01:25:52,860 Adam Curry: Wait What happened to your lb wallet man? 1290 01:25:54,450 --> 01:25:55,260 Unknown: No, it's dry. 1291 01:25:56,460 --> 01:26:01,620 Adam Curry: No more powder 7777 from Mike Newman striper to 1292 01:26:01,620 --> 01:26:06,300 boost value times with boosted groovy kuleana on a Friday 1293 01:26:06,300 --> 01:26:11,730 afternoon. That's right hard fat 3333 We got sir TJ the raffle 1294 01:26:12,900 --> 01:26:18,900 9999 And he says boosting is loving let me see I have that 1295 01:26:18,900 --> 01:26:22,530 somewhere. Boosting is loving There you go. Thanks all 1296 01:26:22,530 --> 01:26:27,990 involved in the making of podcast 2.0k TLD keep the lid 1297 01:26:27,990 --> 01:26:28,320 down 1298 01:26:31,440 --> 01:26:33,660 Dave Jones: that's right. I forgot about that. Yeah, I think 1299 01:26:33,660 --> 01:26:35,670 we actually in church especially here in church. 1300 01:26:35,700 --> 01:26:42,990 Adam Curry: Yeah, we yes in church is down. 2121 from 1301 01:26:42,990 --> 01:26:46,650 McIntosh Oh, you had to 2120 ones Dave I looked at the 1302 01:26:46,650 --> 01:26:49,500 schema. What's the name of the super busy table thought it was 1303 01:26:49,500 --> 01:26:51,990 an episode but I don't see it. And then he says you literally 1304 01:26:51,990 --> 01:26:59,190 answered the question. Go podcasting. Boom 808 for Mr. 1305 01:26:59,190 --> 01:27:03,210 Robot sending some Bob's over here for testing my man boobs 1306 01:27:03,210 --> 01:27:06,930 but I don't know running with scissors. 9999 for Mr. Robot, 1307 01:27:06,930 --> 01:27:09,420 the boys are back in town between podcasting. 2.0 and the 1308 01:27:09,420 --> 01:27:13,560 boosted ground ball five by five nostrils got nothing on this. Go 1309 01:27:13,560 --> 01:27:18,750 podcasting. Todd Cochrane 10,000 sets can IPFS scale to petabytes 1310 01:27:18,750 --> 01:27:24,930 per day. Only one way to find out Todd? Probably not right 1311 01:27:24,930 --> 01:27:25,890 now. I don't think 1312 01:27:26,879 --> 01:27:28,199 Dave Jones: I don't think it can scale. 1313 01:27:28,980 --> 01:27:31,230 Adam Curry: Unlimited. I mean, technically. 1314 01:27:33,240 --> 01:27:35,610 Dave Jones: It's like lightning in that in that regard. Yeah. I 1315 01:27:35,610 --> 01:27:37,980 mean, there's not there's not really an upper limit. As long 1316 01:27:37,980 --> 01:27:40,800 as the nodes are there. It's because it's shared bandwidth. 1317 01:27:40,800 --> 01:27:44,130 It's, it's shared like it's now shared is not the 1318 01:27:44,130 --> 01:27:46,170 Unknown: right word. Distributed. 1319 01:27:48,780 --> 01:27:51,390 Dave Jones: I am unsatisfied with all these terms that I'm 1320 01:27:51,390 --> 01:27:52,080 trying to use. I have 1321 01:27:52,080 --> 01:27:57,330 Adam Curry: a five gigabit fiber connection. And so it'll it'll 1322 01:27:57,330 --> 01:28:00,180 come down to machine performance and drive performance I guess 1323 01:28:00,180 --> 01:28:06,330 before before I saturate that 17,776 From blueberry can't 1324 01:28:06,330 --> 01:28:09,390 speak highly enough of the split kit the split kit.com We can 1325 01:28:09,390 --> 01:28:12,210 drop new art on the fly build new chapters for the topic at 1326 01:28:12,210 --> 01:28:15,210 hand play bootable music all it will. It's fantastic. Thank you, 1327 01:28:15,210 --> 01:28:18,120 Steven B for allowing me to feel like I'm back out on tour 1328 01:28:18,120 --> 01:28:21,060 running shows. No, that's right. 1329 01:28:21,390 --> 01:28:24,480 Dave Jones: I didn't know bourbon. Or is it okay to have 1330 01:28:24,480 --> 01:28:26,730 blueberry here in the sanctuary? That's a little. 1331 01:28:29,190 --> 01:28:34,800 Adam Curry: Here's Cameron with 55,555 Who knew value for value 1332 01:28:34,800 --> 01:28:37,890 was all it took to make self hosting slash crowd hosting 1333 01:28:37,890 --> 01:28:43,290 possible. There it is. Magic Cameron, you created magic 1334 01:28:43,290 --> 01:28:47,490 brother, Chad F 3650. This is how many sets I made for my IPFS 1335 01:28:47,490 --> 01:28:54,540 node. Wow. That's your bed. A buck. Sweet. Love that. Sir. 1336 01:28:54,540 --> 01:28:59,610 Brian have London PhD. 41,948. Israeli boost. I have to talk to 1337 01:28:59,610 --> 01:29:02,580 Dave next week about IPFS. Meantime, I'm Mark saved from 1338 01:29:02,580 --> 01:29:07,350 exploding lithium batteries on a boat and back to Israel. We're 1339 01:29:07,350 --> 01:29:10,710 glad you're alive. Good. Good to hear it. Yes. There's the clip 1340 01:29:10,710 --> 01:29:17,280 custodian coming in with 100,000 SATs. Hey, Neil, nice, man. 1341 01:29:17,280 --> 01:29:22,080 Thank you, Neil. Thank you. Hey, just says has no note just the 1342 01:29:22,080 --> 01:29:22,470 boost. 1343 01:29:23,130 --> 01:29:25,560 Dave Jones: That's great guy. We had lunch one day. He is a 1344 01:29:25,560 --> 01:29:28,440 Adam Curry: great great guy. 10,000 SATs from see Brooklyn 1345 01:29:28,440 --> 01:29:33,780 112 I liked this stuff. Go podcasting. Then we have Mike 1346 01:29:33,780 --> 01:29:37,080 Newman. Whoa, Mike Newman gets a big ass baller boost. 1347 01:29:37,110 --> 01:29:45,630 202 111,120 is Blaze. Only him Paula. Great having the band 1348 01:29:45,630 --> 01:29:49,830 back together. That's it. That's the moose go podcasting. Man. 1349 01:29:49,830 --> 01:29:53,100 Thank you. Wow, that's it. That's the boost. That's the 1350 01:29:53,100 --> 01:29:59,970 boost right there was 12,121 from dreads Dred Scott pew pew. 1351 01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:04,590 Boom, you got it to 33,333 from Eric peepee and there's Dred 1352 01:30:04,590 --> 01:30:12,720 Scott with 121,212 pre show boosts hope you guys are well go 1353 01:30:12,720 --> 01:30:15,270 podcasting. Thank you drip always there helping us out. 1354 01:30:15,960 --> 01:30:21,150 Pfeiffer 6666 Go cod Pat Codd passing trying to mess me up 1355 01:30:21,150 --> 01:30:28,260 aren't you? absurdity and with 3333 the pod sage so now be 1356 01:30:28,260 --> 01:30:31,980 called the Oracle of knowledge. Dave dropped some knowledge on 1357 01:30:31,980 --> 01:30:35,640 the last show go podcasting is Oracle College. 1358 01:30:36,720 --> 01:30:37,710 Dave Jones: Don't know about that. 1359 01:30:37,740 --> 01:30:42,030 Adam Curry: And let's see. And then the last pre show booth 1360 01:30:42,030 --> 01:30:46,410 17,776 from blueberry the elites don't want you to know. But the 1361 01:30:46,410 --> 01:30:49,080 goats in the green room are dead. You can massacre them as 1362 01:30:49,080 --> 01:30:54,600 we have 761 Dead goats. Okay, yeah, you're right, blueberry. I 1363 01:30:54,600 --> 01:30:57,420 don't know if we can have min sanctuary's you're not allowed 1364 01:30:57,420 --> 01:31:03,510 if you want to thank some other people that we had come in, or 1365 01:31:03,510 --> 01:31:04,740 what do you want to do? I would love 1366 01:31:04,740 --> 01:31:09,270 Dave Jones: to Yeah, we can. Let's do a full let's do it. 1367 01:31:11,340 --> 01:31:17,130 Yeah, the boys from Buzzsprout BSB $500. 1368 01:31:17,220 --> 01:31:22,950 Adam Curry: Oh, man. Thank you so much. Play on I am Paula 1369 01:31:22,950 --> 01:31:26,430 highly appreciated. The boys from butterscotch proud. Thank 1370 01:31:26,430 --> 01:31:26,670 you. 1371 01:31:27,000 --> 01:31:28,650 Dave Jones: They gotta be cooking up something they've 1372 01:31:28,650 --> 01:31:31,350 been 2.0 silent for. I didn't too long. 1373 01:31:31,379 --> 01:31:36,899 Adam Curry: I did an interview with for the Buzzsprout podcast. 1374 01:31:37,800 --> 01:31:41,580 Dave Jones: Oh, Alban. With Alban? Yeah, yeah, how'd that 1375 01:31:41,580 --> 01:31:43,650 go? I haven't listened to that episode yet. 1376 01:31:43,680 --> 01:31:46,860 Adam Curry: It's actually one of those interviews where he got a 1377 01:31:46,860 --> 01:31:49,500 lot out of me that I haven't told before on shows just 1378 01:31:49,500 --> 01:31:53,190 different stories. That's kind of hard to do. I mean, I know 1379 01:31:53,190 --> 01:31:56,820 Tina is like, so you tell all your stories again, to know 1380 01:31:56,820 --> 01:31:59,730 these were some new stories. Funny enough? Yeah. I like he's 1381 01:31:59,730 --> 01:32:03,390 a nice guy. sweet guy. Yeah, a lot. A lot. It was all about 1382 01:32:03,390 --> 01:32:05,310 podcasting. So if you're interested in that. 1383 01:32:07,230 --> 01:32:09,870 Dave Jones: Yeah. So bottom up podcast from being out of town. 1384 01:32:10,950 --> 01:32:18,360 Yeah, thanks. Thanks. Jesse Anderson $33. Thank you, Jesse. 1385 01:32:18,360 --> 01:32:22,470 Very nice. That's a one time around the pay pals. And we got 1386 01:32:23,640 --> 01:32:29,730 Brendan at pod page. Ah, $25 a month subscription, which really 1387 01:32:29,730 --> 01:32:31,080 helps. Thank You page. 1388 01:32:31,110 --> 01:32:35,370 Adam Curry: Thank you, Brendan. Yep. So I just funny story, I 1389 01:32:35,370 --> 01:32:38,430 had Korean the keeper running over on pod page, which actually 1390 01:32:38,430 --> 01:32:41,430 cleaned up nicely. And then because it's so easy, you just 1391 01:32:41,430 --> 01:32:44,220 have to have an RSS feed and you create a website, you can 1392 01:32:44,220 --> 01:32:47,160 connect your your domain name to it. And so I did that for 1393 01:32:47,160 --> 01:32:51,420 booster Graham ball. And you have to when you want to connect 1394 01:32:51,420 --> 01:32:54,960 to a domain name, it's like there's an extra fee because of 1395 01:32:54,960 --> 01:32:59,580 the SSL bull crap they got to put on there. And so you 1396 01:32:59,580 --> 01:33:02,730 actually send an email and then like, half of the companies 1397 01:33:02,730 --> 01:33:05,880 emailing me back like hey, so cool. We love this. And then 1398 01:33:05,880 --> 01:33:09,270 Brendan's like, Hey, man, you know, this is motivating me, I 1399 01:33:09,270 --> 01:33:13,080 gotta I gotta step up and put some tags into this. And so we 1400 01:33:13,080 --> 01:33:15,450 came up with a whole bunch of tags that are supported. I 1401 01:33:15,450 --> 01:33:18,750 haven't messed around with them yet. But now also supporting the 1402 01:33:18,750 --> 01:33:21,240 show and the project. Thank you so much, man. Appreciate it. 1403 01:33:21,750 --> 01:33:24,150 Dave Jones: Yeah, it was nice to see it's nicely cut. I mean, it 1404 01:33:24,150 --> 01:33:28,620 was oh my gosh, six or seven eight tags. I'm like that not 1405 01:33:28,740 --> 01:33:33,120 not a bad quite a few. Yeah, routing. Yeah. See, we've got 1406 01:33:33,150 --> 01:33:37,650 Oh, we got some boosts we got 1001 set from absurd. Audient 1407 01:33:37,710 --> 01:33:40,470 Thank you. There's gonna be a bunch of booths here. No notes. 1408 01:33:40,500 --> 01:33:45,120 Thank you. I am robot 3333. A little pre show booth for the 1409 01:33:45,120 --> 01:33:50,220 board meeting. Get 22 to 22 big road ducks from Eric BP through 1410 01:33:50,220 --> 01:33:55,830 the booths CLI. Thank you to old school 20 To 22 from the 1411 01:33:55,830 --> 01:34:00,030 tricolor that's probably the sweet reader Strickler. He says 1412 01:34:00,060 --> 01:34:03,930 go podcasting tag. You're it? Yeah, thank you. Oh, here's a 1413 01:34:03,930 --> 01:34:07,800 2222 from blueberry. He says spend a summer at Middleton 1414 01:34:07,800 --> 01:34:11,130 plantation in Charleston South Carolina. Blacksmithing 10 out 1415 01:34:11,130 --> 01:34:13,770 of 10 would recommend if you'd like it hot, heavy and dirty. 1416 01:34:14,310 --> 01:34:15,960 Adam Curry: Just give some ducks for these people. 1417 01:34:20,910 --> 01:34:23,760 Dave Jones: 22 to 22 a big row of ducks from Uber he says 1418 01:34:23,970 --> 01:34:28,170 speaking speaking of chapters based off the testing I did over 1419 01:34:28,170 --> 01:34:31,380 the weekend you can take one sick one second just as stack 1420 01:34:31,380 --> 01:34:33,570 them one he's 1421 01:34:33,660 --> 01:34:37,260 Adam Curry: he's doing animation kind of like a cinema Tron. So 1422 01:34:38,940 --> 01:34:43,290 we do a chapter image a new chapter every one second and 1423 01:34:43,290 --> 01:34:48,390 then it animates. Nice he's having too much fun with a split 1424 01:34:48,390 --> 01:34:49,920 kit is my is my idea. 1425 01:34:50,460 --> 01:34:52,650 Dave Jones: Okay, I think I think we've met a read that one 1426 01:34:52,650 --> 01:34:57,270 on the last show. Actually. We might have Yeah, on the oh, here 1427 01:34:57,270 --> 01:35:02,370 we go. Oh Nitin. Edie 10,000 says he says cuz it's Friday you 1428 01:35:02,370 --> 01:35:07,200 ain't got no job and you ain't got shit to do. Doesn't says 1429 01:35:07,200 --> 01:35:12,060 they can? That's awesome man. Yeah sir TJ the raffle 9999 says 1430 01:35:12,060 --> 01:35:15,060 they bought versus so excited for value for value music it's 1431 01:35:15,060 --> 01:35:16,620 all about the value not the money. 1432 01:35:16,710 --> 01:35:19,110 Adam Curry: That's right sir. It's just feeling the value. 1433 01:35:20,400 --> 01:35:23,670 Dave Jones: Oh he says so here Sir Alex gates, the podcasting 1434 01:35:23,670 --> 01:35:27,210 2.0 consultant he says 12,000 SATs and he says already 1435 01:35:27,210 --> 01:35:31,320 considering adding PGP keys to feeds for pod bean verification. 1436 01:35:32,040 --> 01:35:32,820 Unknown: Sexy 1437 01:35:35,400 --> 01:35:38,310 Adam Curry: Can I email you can I email the pod ping the 1438 01:35:40,170 --> 01:35:40,710 encrypted 1439 01:35:41,220 --> 01:35:43,770 Dave Jones: you can send email yeah pipe things by email that's 1440 01:35:43,770 --> 01:35:50,580 a great idea. 17 717 776 from blueberry to fountain he says 1441 01:35:50,580 --> 01:35:55,230 Adam I was wanting to hook up boost bot to a shot caller that 1442 01:35:55,230 --> 01:35:58,830 we you already read we we did. I'm trying to find the cut off 1443 01:35:58,830 --> 01:36:02,700 point here and let's see cuz it was the time zones got messed 1444 01:36:02,700 --> 01:36:07,290 up. See 2222 from calm McCormick's is cherry on top 1445 01:36:07,290 --> 01:36:11,070 gives me Avril Levine vibes. Total hit boosting is loving. 1446 01:36:11,880 --> 01:36:13,320 Interesting. Welcome, Steve. 1447 01:36:13,320 --> 01:36:15,450 Adam Curry: I think I think we I think we played that one too. 1448 01:36:17,040 --> 01:36:17,850 Yeah, thanks. So 1449 01:36:19,140 --> 01:36:23,940 Dave Jones: this is like 7:45pm Oh, maybe I'm wrong. I don't 1450 01:36:23,940 --> 01:36:26,850 know. Steve Wilkinson. Great song go podcasting. 2.0 music 1451 01:36:26,850 --> 01:36:34,260 2.0 Yes. Podcast. 41st 67 says thank you. Steve Wilkinson, 1452 01:36:34,260 --> 01:36:40,050 John's BRT, 25,000 SATs through fountain no note 50,000 SATs 1453 01:36:40,050 --> 01:36:44,370 from Khalil, nice to fountain he says love the response to the 1454 01:36:44,370 --> 01:36:47,580 Google guy with the podcast definition. My observation in 1455 01:36:47,580 --> 01:36:50,910 Germany is that people in general now define a podcast as 1456 01:36:50,910 --> 01:36:54,780 a talk show on YouTube, in which the people talk into podcast 1457 01:36:54,780 --> 01:36:57,540 mics and have headphones on instead of being miked properly 1458 01:36:57,540 --> 01:36:58,230 for video. 1459 01:37:00,570 --> 01:37:01,680 Adam Curry: sounds right to me. 1460 01:37:02,610 --> 01:37:04,950 Dave Jones: And many of these shows are only available on 1461 01:37:04,950 --> 01:37:07,950 YouTube. It's understandable to an extent because how would they 1462 01:37:07,950 --> 01:37:11,850 know but also infuriating because YouTube is pushing this 1463 01:37:11,850 --> 01:37:14,760 on purpose? Because it's more shows for them for cheap. 1464 01:37:14,910 --> 01:37:18,540 Adam Curry: Yeah, but it's not working. No one's having any 1465 01:37:18,540 --> 01:37:21,750 success with that. It's just not and now tick tock is doing 1466 01:37:21,750 --> 01:37:23,880 something tick tock. You don't stop. 1467 01:37:24,660 --> 01:37:29,790 Dave Jones: Yeah, and that'll it least that's RSS based. So yeah, 1468 01:37:29,820 --> 01:37:31,950 Adam Curry: it's a promotional tool. I guess that would work. 1469 01:37:32,130 --> 01:37:32,850 Yeah, yeah. 1470 01:37:33,630 --> 01:37:36,690 Dave Jones: Mere Mortals podcast. 2222. Our buddy Karen 1471 01:37:36,690 --> 01:37:40,620 found through found nappy says Adam, just FYI. Joshua Dennis 1472 01:37:40,620 --> 01:37:44,040 has an IPFS podcast called podcasting for value. He's on 1473 01:37:44,040 --> 01:37:47,040 the PI Mastodon, I believe. I remember he was having to 1474 01:37:47,040 --> 01:37:50,370 troubleshoot a lot. So I have some useful info if you walk 1475 01:37:50,370 --> 01:37:51,720 into some scissors. 1476 01:37:52,800 --> 01:37:56,520 Adam Curry: Yeah, I remember looking at it, but I don't think 1477 01:37:56,520 --> 01:37:59,130 it has I don't know where to look at it again. 1478 01:38:00,510 --> 01:38:06,420 Dave Jones: Kevin Bay 10,000 says great rock pop tune as a 20 1479 01:38:06,420 --> 01:38:08,760 to 22 from Gene Everett says boost 1480 01:38:08,820 --> 01:38:11,550 Unknown: Yeah, we got to boost right here. Boost. 1481 01:38:12,210 --> 01:38:19,410 Dave Jones: Jake l Jack. Jake l str is send us a big long row of 1482 01:38:19,410 --> 01:38:24,960 Richards 11111 Whoa. Boosting the song username is pronounced 1483 01:38:24,990 --> 01:38:27,540 Jake Lester Oh, where it is pronunciation and then Jake 1484 01:38:27,540 --> 01:38:33,690 Lester. Dave. All right. Boost. Thank you, Jake. In WD and 5000 1485 01:38:33,690 --> 01:38:39,240 says like the song cherry on top Yeah, Instagram. Small Sehgal 1486 01:38:39,240 --> 01:38:44,130 Richard sorry Joe. Joel who do fountain know note. Boost boost 1487 01:38:44,130 --> 01:38:48,630 boost 3333 from bad career advice. Chad. He says AI is not 1488 01:38:48,630 --> 01:38:52,260 innovation. It is supplication. It's begging you not to give up 1489 01:38:52,260 --> 01:38:59,430 and exit the system. Dave Jones The extreme split that went up 1490 01:38:59,460 --> 01:39:06,840 having Amsterdam Boomer 626 500. SAS go podcasting fee for V go 1491 01:39:06,840 --> 01:39:07,560 podcast. 1492 01:39:08,310 --> 01:39:09,810 Unknown: Yeah, baby V from V. 1493 01:39:11,340 --> 01:39:14,160 Dave Jones: Becker vice Chad back again. 10,000 Saasu found 1494 01:39:14,160 --> 01:39:16,950 he says absolutely incredible. V four v needs a lot more quality 1495 01:39:16,950 --> 01:39:21,720 music like this. I don't know what song that was. Yet. Yeah, 1496 01:39:21,720 --> 01:39:25,050 this is the problem. We're getting there. Down there. Of 1497 01:39:25,050 --> 01:39:30,600 course. Jeff 10,000 sets the pod verse he says Welcome to pay for 1498 01:39:30,600 --> 01:39:31,710 value Ainsley. 1499 01:39:32,760 --> 01:39:35,460 Adam Curry: I think she had a good experience. is 1500 01:39:35,490 --> 01:39:39,930 Dave Jones: clearly Jean being 2222 Row ducks these cast Maddix 1501 01:39:39,930 --> 01:39:43,590 is bring on booster Graham ball. Well it was brought yes it was 1502 01:39:44,910 --> 01:39:49,620 Jean beans another 10,000 says I love the value music. We all do. 1503 01:39:49,620 --> 01:39:53,790 Gene we all love it man. And he gives another 10,000 It says 1504 01:39:53,790 --> 01:39:56,430 enjoying the song and glad to see more people taking a chance 1505 01:39:56,430 --> 01:40:03,270 on value for value. Boost Captain egghead 18 110 SATs 1506 01:40:03,270 --> 01:40:05,490 through pod versus this time splitting boosting with POD 1507 01:40:05,490 --> 01:40:07,950 verse F droid 4.13 1508 01:40:07,980 --> 01:40:09,900 Unknown: Yeah, baby F droid stream 1509 01:40:11,969 --> 01:40:15,689 Dave Jones: Halleck 1000 SATs the founder says never apologize 1510 01:40:15,689 --> 01:40:18,539 for the downer talk Dave. It really resonated with me. Okay. 1511 01:40:20,159 --> 01:40:23,999 I feel like I go on and on sometimes and I get boring. 1512 01:40:24,389 --> 01:40:27,419 Unknown: No, no, no, no, no, no, no not not at all. 1513 01:40:27,450 --> 01:40:31,800 Dave Jones: My only problem with pivot is I want more pivot. Yes, 1514 01:40:31,830 --> 01:40:36,930 that's, that's everybody's problem. Nomad Joe 1000 SATs 1515 01:40:36,930 --> 01:40:42,150 through. Fountain he says antiwar.com Megan. Thank you. 1516 01:40:42,270 --> 01:40:47,010 Oh, Ron Plouffe? The the app for mentioned on the previous show. 1517 01:40:47,040 --> 01:40:50,580 That's right. Creator of the stats pages. 50,000 SATs. Oh, 1518 01:40:50,580 --> 01:40:54,120 nice, man. Thank you. The family says not related to David 1519 01:40:54,120 --> 01:40:54,630 Plouffe. 1520 01:40:56,130 --> 01:40:57,990 Adam Curry: We're sorry about that. I'm so sorry. 1521 01:40:59,670 --> 01:41:02,490 Dave Jones: Not related to David Plouffe but glad to be the 1522 01:41:02,490 --> 01:41:04,350 podcast and people know stats guy 1523 01:41:04,380 --> 01:41:07,620 Unknown: yeah, yes. That's guy. Give 1524 01:41:07,710 --> 01:41:11,010 Dave Jones: Dave Ronnie's a t shirt. People know stats guy. 1525 01:41:11,280 --> 01:41:17,010 Yes. Jean been 4096 to 4k killer boost to gas man. He says I'm a 1526 01:41:17,010 --> 01:41:21,030 big fan of log SEC blog seek also Dave. They also have an 1527 01:41:21,030 --> 01:41:24,540 open collective based paid tier that enables thinking too hard 1528 01:41:24,540 --> 01:41:29,910 to look back at that and then Jean being 2222 says PGP is 1529 01:41:29,910 --> 01:41:32,460 great but not for the non techies average people will not 1530 01:41:32,460 --> 01:41:35,940 be interested in dealing with it. Well, I think that that 1531 01:41:35,940 --> 01:41:37,050 could be obscured right? 1532 01:41:37,380 --> 01:41:38,400 Adam Curry: I mean, say 1533 01:41:38,400 --> 01:41:42,180 Dave Jones: again you PGP putting that in the in the feed 1534 01:41:42,390 --> 01:41:45,750 for the authentication stuff? Yeah. I think that could be a 1535 01:41:45,750 --> 01:41:51,600 string Nomad Joe 1000 SATs he's just a sweet thumbs up. 1536 01:41:52,140 --> 01:41:56,940 bombshell. Just listening five devices want to look at splits 1537 01:41:56,940 --> 01:42:00,630 it hasn't changed in the fountain nap. A we're getting 1538 01:42:00,630 --> 01:42:04,530 there man. Okay, we're getting there. We are. Mere Mortals 1539 01:42:04,530 --> 01:42:08,280 podcast 2222 says along the lines of Dave's reading. Another 1540 01:42:08,280 --> 01:42:11,070 decent book I'd recommend is amusing ourselves to death. Of 1541 01:42:11,070 --> 01:42:16,890 course. Postman postman is very book slightly older 1985 But 1542 01:42:16,890 --> 01:42:19,800 accurately paints a picture of how various mediums such as TV 1543 01:42:19,800 --> 01:42:22,320 by their very nature allow or don't allow for serious 1544 01:42:22,320 --> 01:42:25,350 discourse, disrespect the audience and are trending 1545 01:42:25,350 --> 01:42:28,950 individuals to a Huxley into dystopia has given me lots of 1546 01:42:28,950 --> 01:42:32,820 food for thought to use on the V for V podcast. If Thanks, 1547 01:42:32,820 --> 01:42:40,830 brother. Thanks, man. Oh, whoa. Cal a bear 350,000 says 1548 01:42:49,260 --> 01:42:52,470 Adam Curry: double baller What is this? What is going on or 1549 01:42:52,470 --> 01:42:54,090 booze? What is going on? 1550 01:42:54,390 --> 01:42:57,060 Dave Jones: While my intergalactic boombox podcast is 1551 01:42:57,060 --> 01:43:00,450 on hiatus, I wonder what conspiracy would my resident 1552 01:43:00,450 --> 01:43:04,260 conspiracy theorist would say? I wanted to boost my support to 1553 01:43:04,260 --> 01:43:07,110 this show and express my excitement for booster Graham 1554 01:43:07,110 --> 01:43:10,590 ball as submitted some vo stingers and look forward to 1555 01:43:10,590 --> 01:43:13,800 hearing some more awesome tunes through podcasting 2.0 Kyle a 1556 01:43:13,800 --> 01:43:14,160 bear 1557 01:43:14,220 --> 01:43:17,820 Adam Curry: he did let me see I had the ground where do you put 1558 01:43:17,850 --> 01:43:20,790 what do you what he gave me? He gave me some really cool ones. 1559 01:43:23,580 --> 01:43:27,300 Of course I'm falling down on the job now trying to give me it 1560 01:43:27,300 --> 01:43:31,500 was funny because he sent me he said hey, I got some stingers 1561 01:43:31,500 --> 01:43:34,590 for you. So he sent me the Stingers as all booster Graham 1562 01:43:34,590 --> 01:43:38,910 corner. I'm like, hey man, I really appreciate it. But you 1563 01:43:38,910 --> 01:43:43,860 know that's kind of James's thing is like and he said Oh no, 1564 01:43:43,860 --> 01:43:48,540 I'm I'm I'm a total Dumbo I can't believe it. I was just 1565 01:43:48,540 --> 01:43:52,080 confused for a moment so he sent me stuff like this booster grin 1566 01:43:52,080 --> 01:43:52,860 bull. 1567 01:43:54,420 --> 01:44:02,130 Dave Jones: Booster gram ball Hey guys got 1568 01:44:02,130 --> 01:44:05,310 Unknown: pipes. And then this one this one oh stone stone 1569 01:44:05,310 --> 01:44:09,960 screws to grab ball. Yeah, I love that. Great stuff, man. 1570 01:44:09,960 --> 01:44:10,950 Thank you love it. 1571 01:44:10,980 --> 01:44:14,430 Dave Jones: That's killer. See, oh, I hope you didn't pay him 1572 01:44:14,430 --> 01:44:16,680 for those because that means he would be a scab. He would be 1573 01:44:16,680 --> 01:44:17,790 violating the Oh, 1574 01:44:17,910 --> 01:44:20,910 Adam Curry: no, no, no can't do that. No, never never. I never 1575 01:44:20,910 --> 01:44:23,130 pay for anything keep us safe knowing pay for gas. 1576 01:44:26,010 --> 01:44:28,980 Dave Jones: Anonymous 13,000 says the gas medics is loved. I 1577 01:44:29,010 --> 01:44:33,150 loved Dave's talk about AGI but I think the discovery of Bitcoin 1578 01:44:33,510 --> 01:44:36,240 is demonstrated that a small amount of code arranged right 1579 01:44:36,360 --> 01:44:38,940 can still discover world changing technologies. 1580 01:44:38,970 --> 01:44:41,850 Unknown: Absolutely. Absolutely. 1581 01:44:42,540 --> 01:44:46,080 Dave Jones: The podcaster says great morning track 500 says 1582 01:44:46,080 --> 01:44:51,330 thank you podcaster. See baba, baba BombBomb and 10,000 SATs 1583 01:44:51,330 --> 01:44:56,550 says from a Chris You know, I know him but yeah, we all know 1584 01:44:56,550 --> 01:44:59,100 Chris. The pod versus is awesome. Hope to hear more. 1585 01:44:59,100 --> 01:45:05,490 Thanks. Thank you. Welcome 5151 from River City mystery through 1586 01:45:05,490 --> 01:45:08,160 fountain he says go podcasting alien face. 1587 01:45:10,469 --> 01:45:11,519 Adam Curry: Alien face. 1588 01:45:14,040 --> 01:45:17,700 Dave Jones: More log 11 711 through pod verse no notes. 1589 01:45:17,700 --> 01:45:22,410 Thank you Borlaug. 1000 from our Davis at seven to boosting for a 1590 01:45:22,410 --> 01:45:24,390 day with Dave Jones. Thank you for your courage, 1591 01:45:25,500 --> 01:45:27,420 Adam Curry: which includes lunch and a massage. 1592 01:45:27,690 --> 01:45:30,750 Dave Jones: Yes, yes. Massage, not by me. 1593 01:45:31,170 --> 01:45:34,320 Adam Curry: 1 million Satoshis lunch and a zoom lunch and a 1594 01:45:34,320 --> 01:45:35,010 massage. 1595 01:45:36,060 --> 01:45:41,250 Dave Jones: You need to bump that number of Cochran 100,000 1596 01:45:41,250 --> 01:45:41,790 sets. 1597 01:45:42,120 --> 01:45:44,100 Unknown: Todd, thank you, brother. 1598 01:45:45,960 --> 01:45:48,450 Dave Jones: Do the found nappy says hey, gents just finished up 1599 01:45:48,450 --> 01:45:50,760 attending a pretty comprehensive artificial intelligence 1600 01:45:50,760 --> 01:45:53,730 conference. Don't worry, the world's not ending. The 1601 01:45:53,730 --> 01:45:56,370 marketing folks are worried about their jobs. Go podcasting. 1602 01:45:56,400 --> 01:45:57,840 You guys heard 1603 01:45:59,760 --> 01:46:03,000 Adam Curry: about an hour of the new media show was about that 1604 01:46:03,030 --> 01:46:03,540 about? 1605 01:46:04,860 --> 01:46:07,410 Dave Jones: I listened to Yeah. Yeah. That was it was good. It 1606 01:46:07,410 --> 01:46:08,040 was informative. It 1607 01:46:08,040 --> 01:46:10,650 Adam Curry: was very informative. Yes, it was. And to 1608 01:46:10,650 --> 01:46:14,520 me, it's just, this is all bull crap. Who cares? It's like, I 1609 01:46:14,520 --> 01:46:18,600 don't see any value in. I mean, yeah, as a tool for some things. 1610 01:46:18,600 --> 01:46:21,180 But no, 1611 01:46:21,690 --> 01:46:26,100 Dave Jones: my favorite is see, I go back to this mental model I 1612 01:46:26,100 --> 01:46:30,120 have where so So Todd said that he wrote a blog post by giving 1613 01:46:30,120 --> 01:46:34,860 it say, Okay, here's, like, one of the chat GPT like, like 1614 01:46:34,860 --> 01:46:37,950 system SeeSnake you know, here's, here's, here's a fact 1615 01:46:37,950 --> 01:46:40,410 here's a fact here's a fact these are the points I want to 1616 01:46:40,410 --> 01:46:43,440 make now write a blog post and then he went and cleaned it up 1617 01:46:43,440 --> 01:46:49,110 and everything. So this this whole model of doing things 1618 01:46:50,040 --> 01:46:56,250 wasn't was exposed because James said that he takes these press 1619 01:46:56,250 --> 01:47:00,660 releases and and then puts them through jet GBT and says this 1620 01:47:00,660 --> 01:47:03,900 short animation of what this means so you've got the guy on 1621 01:47:03,900 --> 01:47:07,020 the front end say you know, saying write me a blog post and 1622 01:47:07,020 --> 01:47:09,240 then you got the gal on the other end saying take this blog 1623 01:47:09,240 --> 01:47:12,840 post and tell me what it means. And basically it's just the the 1624 01:47:12,840 --> 01:47:16,260 actual blog post is just an envelope. 1625 01:47:18,360 --> 01:47:19,770 Unknown: That's right. It's so true. 1626 01:47:21,180 --> 01:47:24,990 Dave Jones: Scott is Cora give us the Van Halen boost 5150 1627 01:47:24,990 --> 01:47:31,560 through fountain he says great voice run and catchy. Thank you. 1628 01:47:31,830 --> 01:47:36,240 Whoo anonymous 10,000 Sastra Casta Matic no note, Franco Oh, 1629 01:47:36,240 --> 01:47:37,440 Unknown: there's your buddy France Franco 1630 01:47:37,440 --> 01:47:42,690 Dave Jones: 1000 says his baby says this is the very first 1631 01:47:42,690 --> 01:47:45,000 value time split boost tip Oh, 1632 01:47:45,780 --> 01:47:46,710 Adam Curry: he's got to work and 1633 01:47:47,580 --> 01:47:50,100 Dave Jones: this is the very first value time slip boost test 1634 01:47:50,100 --> 01:47:53,370 from Casta Matic running blind on a wet floor with very pointy 1635 01:47:53,370 --> 01:47:54,000 scissors 1636 01:47:54,330 --> 01:47:57,450 Unknown: Vamsi Oh, nice. I told you he was doing it. 1637 01:47:58,500 --> 01:48:00,780 Dave Jones: Okay, I'm getting there. Frank. I'm gonna make 1638 01:48:00,780 --> 01:48:05,760 this easier for you man. Give me Give me Tom This is amazing. I'm 1639 01:48:05,760 --> 01:48:07,230 so glad to see him working on that. 1640 01:48:07,260 --> 01:48:09,480 Adam Curry: What was it what was that mind you said again running 1641 01:48:09,510 --> 01:48:10,890 on a wet floor what 1642 01:48:11,970 --> 01:48:14,220 Dave Jones: was he a runner a wet floor with very pointy 1643 01:48:14,220 --> 01:48:14,640 scissors. 1644 01:48:16,080 --> 01:48:17,970 Unknown: That's very cool. Yeah. 1645 01:48:19,980 --> 01:48:26,160 Dave Jones: 11 711 from Borlaug no note we got see oh, we 1646 01:48:26,160 --> 01:48:29,100 already got one. Oh, we got to delimiter various comic strip 1647 01:48:29,100 --> 01:48:34,620 blogger 30 3015 through fountain says howdy Adam and Dave. One of 1648 01:48:34,620 --> 01:48:39,600 my top five hobbies apart from a i is drawing cartoons. So I 1649 01:48:39,600 --> 01:48:44,430 kindly invite everyone to visit website with my cartoons at WWW 1650 01:48:44,580 --> 01:48:49,410 dot CSB dot lol and if you have ideas for cartoons that you'd 1651 01:48:49,410 --> 01:48:52,740 like me to draw, please send them to me via Twitter. Direct 1652 01:48:52,740 --> 01:48:57,870 Message at Twitter handle CSB. Yo CSB. God extra 1653 01:48:57,870 --> 01:48:58,560 Unknown: blog. 1654 01:49:00,900 --> 01:49:04,860 Adam Curry: Thank you CSB. And that's the monthlies. Yeah, 1655 01:49:04,980 --> 01:49:07,950 Dave Jones: yep, yep, yep. Yep. We've got Cameron Rose $25 Thank 1656 01:49:07,950 --> 01:49:13,140 you. Camera cash. He Chad Pharaoh $20.20. Thank you, Chad. 1657 01:49:13,140 --> 01:49:16,740 You're all over the place due to levy. James Sullivan $10 1658 01:49:16,740 --> 01:49:21,870 Christopher Re. Remer $10. Shawn McCune $20 Thank you, Sean 1659 01:49:22,650 --> 01:49:26,760 Campbell con glass Buck $5 Jordan Dunnville $10. Michael 1660 01:49:26,760 --> 01:49:34,320 Kimmer $5.33 Dred Scott. Bruce Wayne is podcasting. $15 Pedro 1661 01:49:34,320 --> 01:49:39,270 can calvess $5 Jeffrey Rutherford. $5 Scott Jalbert $12 1662 01:49:39,720 --> 01:49:44,010 Mark Graham $1 Martin, Linda scope $1 and Joseph maraca $5 1663 01:49:44,010 --> 01:49:44,430 And that's it. 1664 01:49:44,610 --> 01:49:47,040 Adam Curry: And thank you all so much for supporting podcasting 1665 01:49:47,040 --> 01:49:52,020 2.0 The entire project, the podcast, everything that that we 1666 01:49:52,020 --> 01:49:55,860 bring to you that is supported by you and that is incredibly 1667 01:49:55,860 --> 01:49:58,560 appreciated. Go to podcast index.org down at the bottom you 1668 01:49:58,560 --> 01:50:03,870 have to read buttons I might as well check the tally coin. And 1669 01:50:03,870 --> 01:50:07,260 when we see tally coin, one of them is for your Fiat fun 1670 01:50:07,260 --> 01:50:13,290 coupons. That is a second dismiss up tally coin. That's 1671 01:50:13,290 --> 01:50:16,830 through PayPal. And of course, you can hit the tally coin if 1672 01:50:16,830 --> 01:50:20,940 you'd like to send something on chain. Nope, nothing on chain. 1673 01:50:21,540 --> 01:50:24,630 But really the way to do it. And the way to go is to get a modern 1674 01:50:24,630 --> 01:50:28,110 podcast app at podcast apps.com. Thank you Marcus couch for that. 1675 01:50:28,470 --> 01:50:32,430 And boost away boost as much as you can boost often we love it. 1676 01:50:32,760 --> 01:50:35,460 And thank you again for supplying us with the treasure 1677 01:50:35,460 --> 01:50:38,550 part of time, talent and treasure. Have value for value 1678 01:50:38,550 --> 01:50:41,790 if you want more value for value value number four value dot 1679 01:50:41,790 --> 01:50:44,940 info. Okay, 1680 01:50:45,599 --> 01:50:51,419 Dave Jones: did you hear? I read this article? The future of TV 1681 01:50:51,419 --> 01:50:54,689 briefing how top streamers ad prices have trended in this 1682 01:50:54,689 --> 01:50:56,519 year's upfront negotiations? 1683 01:50:56,940 --> 01:50:59,580 Adam Curry: No, no. Did you send me this? I don't think you sent 1684 01:50:59,580 --> 01:51:00,390 me this article. 1685 01:51:00,600 --> 01:51:04,590 Dave Jones: I thought it did. Maybe I didn't. Okay. It says 1686 01:51:04,590 --> 01:51:07,470 Netflix isn't the only streaming service to have lowered its ad 1687 01:51:07,470 --> 01:51:11,040 prices during the years upfront negotiations. It's ad prices. 1688 01:51:11,070 --> 01:51:15,300 Oh, interesting. In fact, major ad supported streamers across 1689 01:51:15,300 --> 01:51:17,610 the board brought down their rates according to agency 1690 01:51:17,610 --> 01:51:21,510 executives. agency executives estimated that the amount of ad 1691 01:51:21,510 --> 01:51:24,210 dollars committed to streaming in this year is upfront, 1692 01:51:24,780 --> 01:51:28,200 increased by five to 10%. But how much advertisers stand to 1693 01:51:28,200 --> 01:51:30,690 pay for each ad impression is trending in the opposite 1694 01:51:30,690 --> 01:51:34,560 direction. For the agency executives major ad supported 1695 01:51:34,560 --> 01:51:39,330 streamers rolled back their ad prices by five to 10%. Wow, more 1696 01:51:39,330 --> 01:51:44,970 like 10% for premium products at one agency executive. Wow. So 1697 01:51:45,180 --> 01:51:47,460 this this goes there's a lot of good information in here. So 1698 01:51:47,460 --> 01:51:53,820 this so before this is like this is last year, so Disney in the 1699 01:51:53,820 --> 01:52:01,020 summer of 2022 Disney plus was paying was was getting $50 CPM. 1700 01:52:01,770 --> 01:52:06,750 That's okay. Now they're in the 30s to mid 40s. 1701 01:52:08,850 --> 01:52:12,570 Adam Curry: I've heard from quite a reliable source that the 1702 01:52:12,570 --> 01:52:15,600 streaming companies are delighted with the writer and 1703 01:52:15,600 --> 01:52:21,000 actors strike strikes, because they Oh yeah. Oh, yeah, but 1704 01:52:21,000 --> 01:52:23,250 could not have come at a better time for them. They're 1705 01:52:23,250 --> 01:52:26,970 rejiggering they're using this time to figure out what's 1706 01:52:26,970 --> 01:52:29,970 valuable in their already existing catalog and from my 1707 01:52:29,970 --> 01:52:33,960 information. The strike could last well into the new year. 1708 01:52:35,730 --> 01:52:37,650 Time to start a podcast people 1709 01:52:38,280 --> 01:52:43,290 Dave Jones: brutal Yeah, that is brutal. That see. Net see 1710 01:52:43,290 --> 01:52:49,830 Netflix. Last year was $55 CPM. Now they're in the low to mid 1711 01:52:49,830 --> 01:52:50,550 40s 1712 01:52:51,000 --> 01:52:52,710 Adam Curry: Well, there's only one way there's only one way 1713 01:52:52,860 --> 01:52:55,920 it's all going to go down I mean that's the problem with the CPM 1714 01:52:55,920 --> 01:53:00,480 model it's like how many CPMs Do you want you know it's there's 1715 01:53:00,480 --> 01:53:01,350 so much 1716 01:53:03,150 --> 01:53:05,190 Dave Jones: let's see the motion the risk 1717 01:53:05,190 --> 01:53:07,320 Adam Curry: is too much inventory is not enough being 1718 01:53:07,350 --> 01:53:09,450 being filled up I'm sure how much inventory 1719 01:53:09,450 --> 01:53:11,580 Dave Jones: yet what it says For starters, this year's upfront 1720 01:53:11,580 --> 01:53:13,920 market overall was softer than last year is given the economic 1721 01:53:13,920 --> 01:53:16,980 downturn as sellers were more concerned with securing an 1722 01:53:16,980 --> 01:53:20,640 overall volume of dollars as opposed to pushing up their 1723 01:53:20,640 --> 01:53:24,210 prices per ad. Moreover, in accordance with the law of 1724 01:53:24,210 --> 01:53:27,870 supply and demand sellers simply have more streaming inventory to 1725 01:53:27,870 --> 01:53:33,390 sell. We thought we seen that pricing come down as they grow 1726 01:53:33,390 --> 01:53:38,610 some scale set a second exit agency executive Yeah, I mean 1727 01:53:38,610 --> 01:53:45,300 the more the more you produce the like the the I think the if 1728 01:53:45,300 --> 01:53:49,860 you try to take these seasons and go from like six episodes 1729 01:53:49,860 --> 01:53:53,550 that they are now back up to like 2527 episodes like it used 1730 01:53:53,550 --> 01:53:55,470 to be just make the problem worse. 1731 01:53:56,490 --> 01:53:58,620 Adam Curry: And that's the problem with the writers than 1732 01:53:58,620 --> 01:54:02,130 not getting you know the too many writers first of all, 1733 01:54:03,000 --> 01:54:05,700 everyone look everybody loved it. When the streamers were 1734 01:54:05,700 --> 01:54:08,130 flushed with cash they had all the cheap money now the cheap 1735 01:54:08,130 --> 01:54:10,770 money's gone and oops, there's a problem there's too many writers 1736 01:54:10,770 --> 01:54:13,740 it's probably too many actors for the amount of work that 1737 01:54:13,740 --> 01:54:16,920 there is and and the streamers are Silicon Valley guys we know 1738 01:54:16,920 --> 01:54:19,350 their model give us your creativity. Here's nothing. 1739 01:54:19,830 --> 01:54:23,460 That's that's the model they've thrive on. And for late night 1740 01:54:23,460 --> 01:54:26,850 TV, you know, that's all gone. I think people have not already 1741 01:54:26,850 --> 01:54:30,930 switched over to look watching Tik Tok and ignite embed, but 1742 01:54:30,930 --> 01:54:35,250 whatever. No, I think there's never been a better time to 1743 01:54:35,250 --> 01:54:42,480 start a podcast. I mean, you maybe even a video thing. I 1744 01:54:42,480 --> 01:54:47,610 mean, I wouldn't ever advise anyone to go over to to YouTube 1745 01:54:47,610 --> 01:54:51,240 just because of the way they mess with your head. And I was 1746 01:54:51,240 --> 01:54:54,120 like, Oh, you're popular. Good. Now we're going to be we're 1747 01:54:54,120 --> 01:54:56,460 going to push you down in the algorithm. If you don't create 1748 01:54:56,460 --> 01:54:59,640 more content, you know that they put people on a hamster wheel. 1749 01:55:00,690 --> 01:55:01,470 So 1750 01:55:01,679 --> 01:55:05,219 Dave Jones: no those those guys look ragged the ones that have 1751 01:55:05,219 --> 01:55:08,159 to produce content yes times a day everybody 1752 01:55:08,160 --> 01:55:10,560 Adam Curry: has to once you to get started over there, you have 1753 01:55:10,560 --> 01:55:13,860 to do it. Otherwise the algo just punishes you. It's 1754 01:55:13,860 --> 01:55:16,590 horrible. It's slavery, digital slavery. 1755 01:55:17,340 --> 01:55:20,970 Dave Jones: This. So I've got this idea and we've briefly 1756 01:55:20,970 --> 01:55:26,730 discussed this on and off, like, for a while. Okay, but I think I 1757 01:55:26,730 --> 01:55:32,340 finally have an idea of what I'm going to do 1758 01:55:32,970 --> 01:55:34,470 Adam Curry: for your show for your show. 1759 01:55:34,889 --> 01:55:37,619 Dave Jones: Oh, n n n n, and this is on the API. Okay. 1760 01:55:38,070 --> 01:55:40,200 Adam Curry: Are you going to do your show while I'm on vacation? 1761 01:55:41,700 --> 01:55:44,670 Dave Jones: I don't know. Okay. I don't know. I feel like I need 1762 01:55:44,670 --> 01:55:46,470 to do something. Because I mean, you're you're gonna be a 1763 01:55:46,470 --> 01:55:47,700 vacation for three weeks. 1764 01:55:47,730 --> 01:55:50,520 Adam Curry: Tina actually said, can she just sneak one in? I'm 1765 01:55:50,520 --> 01:55:54,990 on vacation. She wants me to work. Like, you know, you should 1766 01:55:55,020 --> 01:55:55,890 you should speak on. 1767 01:55:57,060 --> 01:55:59,250 Dave Jones: sneak one in. He's just sneak one in. 1768 01:56:00,000 --> 01:56:03,150 Adam Curry: That was my overall plan on vacation, baby. Trust 1769 01:56:03,150 --> 01:56:03,390 me. 1770 01:56:06,630 --> 01:56:09,330 Unknown: One, why don't we go? There it is. There it is. 1771 01:56:09,750 --> 01:56:15,480 Dave Jones: Okay, so my idea is it here's Okay, here's the 1772 01:56:15,480 --> 01:56:17,730 problem I'm trying to solve and hold on. 1773 01:56:19,650 --> 01:56:27,810 Adam Curry: Let's let's do this. Right. Okay. Since this is a 1774 01:56:27,810 --> 01:56:29,490 secret thing you're talking about? 1775 01:56:30,120 --> 01:56:30,990 Dave Jones: Are we in a skiff? 1776 01:56:34,560 --> 01:56:38,070 Unknown: Where the skiff Yes. Short Skiff. 1777 01:56:39,030 --> 01:56:43,200 Dave Jones: Robert hours, Bobby, the k must be in here. We can't 1778 01:56:43,200 --> 01:56:49,920 have him talking where everybody else can hear. So if here's what 1779 01:56:49,920 --> 01:56:56,970 there's a problem I'm trying to solve. I want to get I want to 1780 01:56:57,030 --> 01:57:02,010 have a popularity score. I don't like this word. I'm gonna say it 1781 01:57:02,040 --> 01:57:08,070 from the beginning. This is a shitty word. Okay. I don't care 1782 01:57:08,070 --> 01:57:13,560 about necessarily about popularity. Okay. Let me log in. 1783 01:57:13,560 --> 01:57:16,200 Let me start over. It's not popularity that I'm one of 1784 01:57:17,520 --> 01:57:19,890 these. Okay, these are these Rancors and branch. 1785 01:57:20,040 --> 01:57:23,070 Adam Curry: I was just about to say, You mean a rancor? Yes. 1786 01:57:23,070 --> 01:57:27,990 Dave Jones: I don't want a rancor. Uh, but but there is 1787 01:57:28,080 --> 01:57:36,270 there is value in finding out what people listen to, you know, 1788 01:57:36,270 --> 01:57:42,150 on the regular? Because, if, I mean, if 50,000 People listen, 1789 01:57:42,420 --> 01:57:46,230 or subscribe to a podcast, I mean, it's, it's probably pretty 1790 01:57:46,230 --> 01:57:51,510 good. I mean, it's, it's probably decent content. So, you 1791 01:57:51,510 --> 01:57:55,050 know, versus something that's been around for 10 years and 100 1792 01:57:55,050 --> 01:57:58,170 people subscribe to it. Just like you, you can get you can 1793 01:57:58,170 --> 01:58:01,500 glean some stuff from this is what I'm trying to say. Okay. 1794 01:58:02,880 --> 01:58:07,890 So, we and that's thing, that's a thing that we have never been 1795 01:58:07,920 --> 01:58:16,980 able to have, we don't know, in a direct way, what shows are 1796 01:58:16,980 --> 01:58:21,450 actually being subscribed to. So my, you know, I've talked about 1797 01:58:21,450 --> 01:58:26,220 this before, I want a way to get some of that information. So 1798 01:58:26,220 --> 01:58:36,450 that we can begin to make the index feel the feel better and 1799 01:58:36,450 --> 01:58:41,070 give data back, like, hey, what's popular? What are people 1800 01:58:41,070 --> 01:58:44,730 listening to? What are the, you know, what are these, like, give 1801 01:58:44,730 --> 01:58:46,980 some notion as to what other people are doing? 1802 01:58:47,010 --> 01:58:50,580 Adam Curry: Can I Can I ask you a philosophical question? Since 1803 01:58:50,580 --> 01:58:54,510 we love since we're in the skiff. This is a new idea. I 1804 01:58:54,510 --> 01:58:59,700 love that by the way. Who are you creating this score? I'm 1805 01:58:59,700 --> 01:59:04,890 just gonna call it the score for apps. Okay, that is 1806 01:59:04,920 --> 01:59:08,070 substantially different from anything else. So I'm liking 1807 01:59:08,070 --> 01:59:08,520 that. 1808 01:59:09,090 --> 01:59:13,440 Dave Jones: Okay. And here's, here's why. It here's why it's 1809 01:59:13,440 --> 01:59:19,260 important to me right now. Because of music. Music and 1810 01:59:19,290 --> 01:59:27,780 here's a problem that I ran into over over the weekend. And I 1811 01:59:27,780 --> 01:59:31,770 feel like this would have helped. So I listen. I subscribe 1812 01:59:31,770 --> 01:59:35,910 to this podcast America this week with Matt Taibbi and Walter 1813 01:59:35,910 --> 01:59:43,200 Kern and it's one of my favorite shows. He every week they 1814 01:59:43,200 --> 01:59:48,570 discuss a short story. This week. They discussed the story 1815 01:59:48,870 --> 01:59:54,690 Bartleby the Scrivener by Herman Melville. And each week when 1816 01:59:54,690 --> 01:59:58,590 they discuss this, I go through the same process. I look first 1817 01:59:59,370 --> 02:00:04,110 on the pod cost index. And I look to see if there's any open 1818 02:00:04,110 --> 02:00:07,650 source like Librivox, or any audio books that have already 1819 02:00:07,650 --> 02:00:09,720 read this, because a lot of the stories they talk about are in 1820 02:00:09,720 --> 02:00:16,440 the public domain. Okay? And then if I go, if I can't find it 1821 02:00:16,440 --> 02:00:19,530 there, then I will go to Audible. Because they're usually 1822 02:00:19,530 --> 02:00:21,660 pretty short. So what I do is they say, Hey, what's this 1823 02:00:21,660 --> 02:00:24,240 week's story? Let's talk about it. I hear what the story is. I 1824 02:00:24,240 --> 02:00:28,350 pause the podcast, go look for the story somewhere else and on 1825 02:00:28,350 --> 02:00:31,170 the index. If you can't find it there, then go to Audible. 1826 02:00:31,350 --> 02:00:33,810 Listen to the story first, and come back and listen to them 1827 02:00:33,810 --> 02:00:34,290 discuss it. 1828 02:00:34,320 --> 02:00:36,570 Adam Curry: Oh, okay. Oh, yeah. Cuz you want to hear you want to 1829 02:00:36,570 --> 02:00:39,510 read it, quote, unquote, Here, read it. And then you want to 1830 02:00:39,510 --> 02:00:40,350 hear the discussion? 1831 02:00:40,830 --> 02:00:44,160 Dave Jones: Yeah. Yep. And it's fun. I love it. So that's, 1832 02:00:44,190 --> 02:00:48,270 that's my typical day. So when I went to the index and searched 1833 02:00:48,270 --> 02:00:55,740 for Bartleby, the Scrivener, it came back with a lot. A lot of 1834 02:00:55,740 --> 02:01:01,920 results. Probably 10 or 12. I don't remember. You know, and 1835 02:01:01,920 --> 02:01:07,290 just like any audio book thing, the narrator is done is 99% of 1836 02:01:07,290 --> 02:01:10,800 the experience. I mean, yeah, that matters, right? Yeah. 1837 02:01:11,370 --> 02:01:14,190 Especially when it comes to open source, like Librivox type 1838 02:01:14,190 --> 02:01:18,150 stuff. There's a lot of bad readers. Yes. Yeah. Thank you 1839 02:01:18,150 --> 02:01:22,260 for doing that taking the time, but you're not great. So it 1840 02:01:22,260 --> 02:01:26,430 would be wonderful to have some sort of popularity score, that's 1841 02:01:26,430 --> 02:01:31,140 real. That would say, they would tell you, they would at least 1842 02:01:31,140 --> 02:01:35,070 rank now, the first let's just say it ranks them in order of 1843 02:01:35,070 --> 02:01:40,200 popularity, based on subscriber count. Let's say that the first 1844 02:01:40,230 --> 02:01:43,680 one that you you don't like that narrator. But there's a good 1845 02:01:43,680 --> 02:01:46,080 chance that they at least the ones on the bottom are not going 1846 02:01:46,080 --> 02:01:50,460 to be good. You might just want to skip them. So this is what 1847 02:01:50,460 --> 02:01:53,790 I'm saying. Like we need I feel like we need some sort of way to 1848 02:01:53,790 --> 02:01:55,500 organize these results. 1849 02:01:55,500 --> 02:01:58,650 Adam Curry: The situation input is the input something we get 1850 02:01:58,650 --> 02:02:01,110 from the apps like in Yeah, event. 1851 02:02:02,280 --> 02:02:04,980 Dave Jones: Yes. So that's, that's what I was wanting to do. 1852 02:02:05,010 --> 02:02:09,930 And so the, here's the idea. Here's my initial idea that 1853 02:02:09,930 --> 02:02:16,440 there's just an endpoint, that an app can submit just a submit 1854 02:02:16,440 --> 02:02:21,060 a file, essentially, like a CSV file. And I will prescribe the 1855 02:02:21,060 --> 02:02:26,220 format that this that this file takes. And it's just a list. 1856 02:02:26,730 --> 02:02:32,460 It's just feed ID, subscriber count, feed ID subscriber count. 1857 02:02:33,270 --> 02:02:37,320 And it could be feed ID, it could be good. It can be Feed 1858 02:02:37,320 --> 02:02:40,800 URL, it can be hell, it can be iTunes ID, I don't care. So 1859 02:02:40,800 --> 02:02:44,190 there would be this this list. And it can be something other 1860 02:02:44,190 --> 02:02:48,330 than a CSV I'm not, I'm just describing a concept. But then 1861 02:02:48,330 --> 02:02:52,200 that they would submit that file to the index. And there's no 1862 02:02:52,200 --> 02:02:56,100 user data in anywhere in this. It's just purely such a list of 1863 02:02:56,340 --> 02:03:00,240 here. Here's here, all the feeds that our system currently shows 1864 02:03:00,240 --> 02:03:03,390 and how many people are subscribed to each one. If we 1865 02:03:03,390 --> 02:03:07,830 had that, and we could aggregate that from any apps willing to 1866 02:03:07,830 --> 02:03:15,780 give that back. It could create a truly open source. Popularity 1867 02:03:15,780 --> 02:03:22,110 rank ranking type. Pizza database didn't, did we haven't 1868 02:03:22,110 --> 02:03:27,570 had? Yeah. Because all these all these existing rankings and 1869 02:03:27,570 --> 02:03:32,040 popularity is nonsense. They're all tied to. They're all tied to 1870 02:03:32,760 --> 02:03:36,150 like Apple and Spotify and all these other companies. So here, 1871 02:03:36,150 --> 02:03:37,560 this would be something. Go ahead. 1872 02:03:37,860 --> 02:03:39,480 Adam Curry: No, no, go ahead. I'm sorry. I didn't mean to 1873 02:03:39,480 --> 02:03:43,920 interrupt. I'm done. I'm done. So yes, VB VB is looking at me 1874 02:03:43,920 --> 02:03:52,230 like dude, is two hours already I gotta pay I got Okay, so what 1875 02:03:52,230 --> 02:03:56,100 I've the way I think this would work best because what I would 1876 02:03:56,100 --> 02:04:01,740 hate to see is all of a sudden there's a page and someone says 1877 02:04:01,740 --> 02:04:06,810 here's the most subscribe to podcasts. Right? Because then 1878 02:04:06,810 --> 02:04:10,200 you've just basically created an Uber rancor that everybody would 1879 02:04:10,200 --> 02:04:15,270 love and me that's going to have people jacking the system is 1880 02:04:15,270 --> 02:04:18,240 like subscribe, you know, as then you get the Everyone views. 1881 02:04:18,270 --> 02:04:22,680 You got to subscribe that ascribe discovers gotta I you 1882 02:04:22,680 --> 02:04:25,110 know, just all of that crap. If it is something that is 1883 02:04:25,110 --> 02:04:29,550 incorporated in the way the API so I don't want a rancor on 1884 02:04:29,550 --> 02:04:36,390 podcasts index either. It can return results in the API 1885 02:04:36,390 --> 02:04:41,310 endpoint, which could be just search or search by but that at 1886 02:04:41,310 --> 02:04:46,860 no point can someone aggregate all of this data and say, here's 1887 02:04:46,860 --> 02:04:50,430 the rancor. What are you laughing at? 1888 02:04:52,770 --> 02:04:55,110 Dave Jones: Me this drop a new Cold subscribe button. 1889 02:04:57,450 --> 02:05:00,270 Adam Curry: Exactly. John, do you know what I mean? is like, 1890 02:05:00,270 --> 02:05:04,710 yeah, this would be very, very good to have a an API endpoint 1891 02:05:04,710 --> 02:05:11,310 that returns search results by subscription count. But that you 1892 02:05:11,310 --> 02:05:14,550 can't just go to the index and say, give me all the Most 1893 02:05:14,550 --> 02:05:16,800 Popular The Most subscribe to podcasts. 1894 02:05:17,400 --> 02:05:21,210 Dave Jones: Yes, that's okay. You, you've said that better 1895 02:05:21,210 --> 02:05:27,030 than I did. The, because that's the one thing that we've always 1896 02:05:27,330 --> 02:05:31,740 struggled to provide, since we don't have first party data is 1897 02:05:32,970 --> 02:05:36,180 like the, what's the what's the goal of the index? If the index 1898 02:05:36,180 --> 02:05:41,670 itself is to? When somebody searches for something, we want 1899 02:05:41,670 --> 02:05:44,940 them to find it? And that's what this would do? 1900 02:05:45,870 --> 02:05:48,870 Adam Curry: It Right. It makes it makes our search better. And 1901 02:05:48,870 --> 02:05:53,490 also, and and honestly, I, I don't even want that search to 1902 02:05:53,490 --> 02:05:57,930 work on our site to be quite, I don't want to be the place. That 1903 02:05:57,930 --> 02:06:02,010 would, to me, that's, it's all philosophical, right? It's all 1904 02:06:02,010 --> 02:06:05,880 about who we are. And what we do. I want apps, I want the apps 1905 02:06:05,880 --> 02:06:10,140 who use our API, I want them to be able to return kickass 1906 02:06:10,140 --> 02:06:13,800 results. I don't want people coming to him. I mean, it's a 1907 02:06:13,800 --> 02:06:16,290 double edged sword, because of course, I want people to use the 1908 02:06:16,290 --> 02:06:19,650 index, I want us to be able to use the index. So you know, 1909 02:06:19,650 --> 02:06:22,800 that's up for discussion. But the ultimate goal of this and we 1910 02:06:22,800 --> 02:06:26,670 also it's we won't export that table. I just don't want anyone 1911 02:06:26,670 --> 02:06:30,030 to create the rancor. I don't want all these apps and all 1912 02:06:30,030 --> 02:06:35,640 their the trust that their users put in them to be create someone 1913 02:06:35,640 --> 02:06:39,180 else's business. That Silicon Valley nastiness, you know what 1914 02:06:39,180 --> 02:06:39,570 I mean? 1915 02:06:40,110 --> 02:06:42,960 Dave Jones: For sure, yeah, that's so the idea exactly. The 1916 02:06:42,960 --> 02:06:47,850 idea here is when if an app will give us back the subscriber 1917 02:06:47,850 --> 02:06:48,510 counts, 1918 02:06:48,720 --> 02:06:51,750 Adam Curry: then they get access to better search results, better 1919 02:06:51,750 --> 02:06:52,530 search results. 1920 02:06:52,560 --> 02:06:54,420 Dave Jones: I love that nobody else gets it. Everybody else 1921 02:06:54,420 --> 02:06:57,150 gets better search results too. Yeah, they're just contributing 1922 02:06:57,150 --> 02:07:00,570 to better it makes the it makes us better for them 1923 02:07:00,570 --> 02:07:03,180 Adam Curry: to be better. That's that would be I think that's a 1924 02:07:03,180 --> 02:07:04,680 great idea. Yeah, and 1925 02:07:04,680 --> 02:07:07,740 Dave Jones: there will never be rancor. Yep. Let's let's get 1926 02:07:07,740 --> 02:07:09,270 Adam Curry: into warm it's getting warm in here. Hold on. 1927 02:07:11,880 --> 02:07:18,900 Cool Breeze SQF is warm business man. All right, Phoebe's gotta 1928 02:07:18,900 --> 02:07:25,560 pee to $2.07 here on the clock it's good to have you back Dave 1929 02:07:25,590 --> 02:07:28,320 I'm so sorry. I'm going to be gone for the next couple of 1930 02:07:28,320 --> 02:07:35,400 weeks I think I would like to slip on in for you baby. So I 1931 02:07:35,400 --> 02:07:39,480 will I will let you know if we can slip on in cuz they will I 1932 02:07:39,480 --> 02:07:43,020 will have the rig with me there will be there will be production 1933 02:07:43,020 --> 02:07:47,790 going on. But it sounds like you're going to be mando busy as 1934 02:07:47,790 --> 02:07:51,150 well with your your schema and all this stuff. So we'll see. 1935 02:07:51,330 --> 02:07:54,870 We'll see how it comes along. How it feels I mean I'm honestly 1936 02:07:54,870 --> 02:07:57,540 I can't believe that I just started boosted grand ball. I 1937 02:07:57,540 --> 02:07:59,940 won't be doing that either. Maybe off the slip. What I mean 1938 02:07:59,940 --> 02:08:02,100 why don't I just pretend I'm on vacation. Just sit in the 1939 02:08:02,100 --> 02:08:02,580 studio. 1940 02:08:03,090 --> 02:08:07,110 Dave Jones: That's what I did. Just you know if you if you feel 1941 02:08:07,110 --> 02:08:09,570 Froggy. Heads up, give me a heads up, 1942 02:08:09,900 --> 02:08:13,620 Adam Curry: brother. I love you. I love doing this with you. I 1943 02:08:13,620 --> 02:08:17,100 love what we're achieving. And everybody who's who's listening. 1944 02:08:17,100 --> 02:08:19,710 Thank you all so much for being a part of this grand scissor 1945 02:08:19,740 --> 02:08:26,340 scissoring experiment. We saw a lot of fun. All right. Have a 1946 02:08:26,340 --> 02:08:29,190 great weekend, brother. All right, everybody in the chat 1947 02:08:29,190 --> 02:08:32,220 room. Have a great weekend. Thank you all we will see if we 1948 02:08:32,220 --> 02:08:35,430 can slip on in stay tuned. 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