Episode 142: Bottom Funnel

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Adam Curry: podcasting 2.0 for
July 21 2023, episode 142 Bottom

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funnel Hello everybody time once
again for the official board

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here. I'm Adam curry in the
heart of the Texas Hill Country

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and in Alabama, the man who will
grep your log anytime day or

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night. Say hello to my friend on
the other end ladies and

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gentlemen, Mr. de m. Yo.

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Dave Jones: I'm barely had time
to put my vitamin D drops in the

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beef shake.

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Adam Curry: Things I never say

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Dave Jones: I did as a special
gift to myself today though.

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Yeah, I dropped as I was mixing
up the grass fed beef milkshake.

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Dropped in a dropped an ice
cream sandwich in there. Oh, I

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Adam Curry: thought you were
gonna say I dropped a little bit

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of acid in there. And that would
have been really cool.

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Dave Jones: We'll be great in
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Adam Curry: day two tuned, it's
on the way.

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Dave Jones: Yes. Ice Cream
Sandwich known for his vitamin

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and mineral content.

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Adam Curry: That was a little a
little bit of a downer. We

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started today. And we always try
to have a cool little pre stream

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show. We're singing along with
some classic hits 100% retro,

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which is available in all modern
podcast apps and understand the

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live concert. And we found out
Tony Bennett passed away today.

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It's just I mean, he had a great
life. 96 years old was still

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miss Tony tried to play Little
Tony and then I got even more

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depressed was not a good thing.
When I

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Dave Jones: came in and sat down
10 minutes late by the way. I

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came in and sat down and went up
when I jack into the stream.

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Yes. Typically, you got 100%
retro. It was Madonna Auto Tune

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whatever that stupid song is
that she has that.

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Adam Curry: That yeah, I forget
what it was.

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Dave Jones: Whatever, that dumb
song and so then. And then I'm

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like, okay, somebody you were
not here. I said somebody tell

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Adam that I'm here but I gotta
go like putting my stuff now and

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everything. And I get back in.
It's like, Tony. Hey, Tony

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Bennett. Dad

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Adam Curry: just heard about it.
Like, oh, man, I was mentioning

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earlier during the stream. I
will say now that I saw him I

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think three years ago in Austin,
maybe four years ago. at the

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movie theater. I'd seen him
eight years ago as well in

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Austin at a bigger theater did
the same thing. But so he was 92

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I guess. And I got halfway or
three quarters through the

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concert. He just puts his mic
down and sings on amplified and

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fills the whole place.

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Dave Jones: There was a better
bed deck. I bet it's like kind

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of a haunting. Saying

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Adam Curry: goosebumps just
Goosebumps. Goosebumps. I also

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saw him when he had his daughter
on the road. Who I didn't know

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about. Yeah, he while his
daughter was kind of for

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support. I think he said I just
wanted her on the she can say

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she's good singer to just wander
on the road for support. And so

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didn't want to be out on the
road by myself. My last years.

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Yeah. Anyway,

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Dave Jones: are you one of
those? We'll see when those guys

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that got into like, became like
a standard Las Vegas. Person

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that like live there.

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Adam Curry: Well, I mean, he of
course was there for many years

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on and off. But I mean, he was
way above and beyond, you know,

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a like a residency in Vegas. I
mean, he was he could do

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anything you wanted at any point
in time anywhere in the world. I

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had he was he was he was Frank
Sinatra's favorite singer.

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Dave Jones: Give Good for him.
Yeah, he had a good luck. Yeah,

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Adam Curry: good luck. Good Life
is awesome. All the songs at the

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American Songbook is rolling
through my head. Anyway, welcome

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strikers. For those of you
wondering, What am I going to do

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during the strike? Well, you
came to the right place.

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Dave Jones: Welcome to get up
and get any podcast.

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Adam Curry: Well, you know, I'm
just saying if there's all kinds

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of exceptions and waivers for
the strike business, like Apple

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got a waiver for one of their
shows there's there's all these

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like, tricky deals you can do
and then the the guild or the

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union so sag AFTRA, and I guess
the Writers Guild will give you

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a waiver so you can continue
production is like kind of

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scammy

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Dave Jones: this is this is the
this is the Russia sanctions

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scam. You know, you get
sanctions, but you have like 27

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Different loopholes that you can
Oh, yeah, but you can't you

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can't Take oil, you know, you
can't accept oil from Russia,

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unless you're in one of these 57
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Adam Curry: Exactly. Exactly.
And then you can,

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Dave Jones: it's all fine. Yeah.

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Adam Curry: It's I mean, I'm
just looking at what's going on

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and how far apart these people
are and what the what I think

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the this is called Hollywood,
but it's not really fair because

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99% of the people who work in
the entertainment industry on

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television, radio, movies,
support for all that are meal

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people you've never heard of
probably just, you know, actors

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who work for a living, you know,
look at any scene on a

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television or movie, television
show or movies. There's, there's

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about 50 people walking around
that you don't think about but

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they're there. They're, you
know, they're on set, they're

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getting paid. Some of them do
speaking roles. It's all I mean,

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I've I've done my fair share of
little bit parts here and there,

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and you don't get paid much good
paid scale, even though I was

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MTB guy. Now, here's scale Shut
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Dave Jones: What's it's, it's
common. I mean, it's common for

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everybody, the everybody in
anything related to media

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because this like, say New York
Times had an article today

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actually printed it out Google
tests AI tool that is able to

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write news articles. Here's,
here's this, here's this line.

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And it says, news organizations
around the world are grappling

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with whether to use artificial
intelligence tools in their

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newsrooms, many, including the
times NPR and insider, have

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notified employees that they
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of AI to see how it might be
responsibly applied to the high

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stakes realm of news, where
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paramount. You see, I'm

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Adam Curry: not I don't think AI
is so much the problem. I really

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don't. I don't think Hollywood
believes that, you know, great

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scripts are going to get turned
out by AI. The problem is, it's

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no longer the business that
these actors and writers thought

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they were in, you know, and it
was all great when it was like,

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hey, you know, we're changing
the model. We don't have

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residuals because it's all gonna
be on our streaming app. So

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we're gonna pay you more
upfront. So you because then you

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won't get residuals like, okay,
and I was like, hey, that's

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groovy. And look at all this
work I got, and then interest

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rates went through the roof and
the free money train stopped and

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I was like, no, sorry, you know,
and we're only doing six

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episodes per season. So sorry.
You know, wait six months

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without work. And what they it's
your are your headphones louder?

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Is that me? I hear myself coming
back from time to time.

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Dave Jones: They're probably
pretty loud. Yeah. Okay. I'm

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jacked.

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Adam Curry: Just turn you to No,
no, do whatever is fine. I like

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Dave Jones: you. I Like You loud
in my head that way. It's it

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feels good. Feels like you're
right there. Do what I say.

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Jones, no. Good Feet behind me.

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Adam Curry: The problem is these
guys don't realize it's no

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longer dealing with Hollywood
did dealing with Silicon Valley.

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And we know the Silicon Valley
model. Give me all your

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creativity. Here's nothing.
That's right. That's what they

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do. That's that's a big reason
why podcasting got into so much

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trouble. By the way. I heard
something kind of encouraging.

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On the pod news weekly review.
There's these two young women

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that

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Dave Jones: that interview.
Yeah. Seriously made. It just

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made me sad. Well, it made me
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Adam Curry: really, because I
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Interesting. Georgina Holt and
Christiana Benton from the

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telling agency that I think is
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Because I couldn't hear it. It
was hard. What's the name

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telling? Like belling selling, I
couldn't quite get it. The

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reason why I got a little
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going back to the original model
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And that model was the idea that
you could move away from

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downloads and listener metrics
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performance based. Performance
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what is it? Direct codes? Now?
What Yeah, exactly. What do you

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call it? What do you call it?

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Dave Jones: Coupon Code coupon
codes.

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Adam Curry: Now what what
happened with that is, very

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quickly, we realized that the
way to success with the coupon

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codes was to SEO the crap out of
the coupon code, who cares

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what's in the podcast, as long
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then before you know it, you
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companies that are being hired
and they're, you know, they're

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making sure that people see
these coupon codes and those an

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arbitrage which In the coupon
code, you know, buying traffic

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for the coupon codes, and then
what we could get from the

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advertiser. So it was a scam and
I hated it. Yeah. However, they

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said something kind of
interesting. So the idea is, you

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you want someone to buy
something that's really the

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metric that the advertiser uses.
Either you're going to have

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someone sign up for something
register for something, or buy

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something, there's a kind of the
action so you're going to get

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compensated based on how many
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And they were of course talking
about attribution and pixels and

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all this creepy tracking crap,

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Dave Jones: and bottom funnels
and whatever the hell that

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means.

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Adam Curry: Bottom funnel is a
great show Title I

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Dave Jones: don't know what it
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Adam Curry: category on

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Dave Jones: one point, I wish I
had clipped it at the bottom

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I've given myself a moratorium
on pod news weekly review clips,

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because there's just so many
good things in there that I just

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have to stop so I don't have a
challenge to not clip that show

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every week. So there was this
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with I think it's Christiana she
goes on a string of digital

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advertising jargon that was one
for the record books it was like

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Adam Curry: there was a lot of
that in there with the accident

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made it even funnier.

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Dave Jones: It was like it was
like seven or eight seconds of

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words that I had no idea what
any of it man oh my god, what is

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Adam Curry: Well, then I had a
thought because and then also

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and these things never come
accidentally because who was it

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was I go a guy over there on
podcast index dot social who's

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doing the stats? These
extrapolating our stats and

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creating new stats from the
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Dave Jones: Ron Plouffe palooza.

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Adam Curry: Let's Obama's guy,
Ron blue. No. Let me see. It's

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on the second who is a dude,
come on. It is Ron Plouffe.

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Dave Jones: That's when you're
thinking of David. David

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Plouffe.

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Adam Curry: David Plouffe? Yes.
Another No, no,

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Dave Jones: there may be a
relation. I don't know. Here's

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Adam Curry: another namespace
milestone this week feeds with

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chapters crossed 20,000. On
Wednesday, congratulations. This

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is quite good. You know, there's
20,000 podcast feeds that are

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actively using chapters. That's
not bad.

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Dave Jones: That number is
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than it sounds because of the
number we know that the number

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of active shows is way, way
lower than 4 million, you know,

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Adam Curry: more like 400,000

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Dave Jones: Yeah, right. Right.
So that I mean, that's actually

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that's a pretty decent chunk.

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Adam Curry: So then I was
thinking, here's what it was

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like the problem with
attribution, and all this crap

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is all the tracking and the
creepy stuff. And ultimately,

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it's not, it's just not really a
great way. And I said, Wait a

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minute, we have people in the
app, you know, the call to

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action shouldn't be, hey, buy
this product, subscribe for this

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service, sign up to this
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support this show, is to get a

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modern podcast app. And then
whenever you hear something you

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like, you know, right there,
click on the image, and it'll

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Dave Jones: That's the only way
I'm gonna get back.

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Adam Curry: Which by the way, I
think would be very, very

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you can get your audience to do

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that, and it's not a big ask. It
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ask us to ask them to boost with

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Satoshis that's a big ask. Now
we have something that There's

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audiences, it's not a big ask to
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you listen to the show or listen
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gonna have to hear something you
like or hey, you know, sign up

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for that because it supports
everything, click on it. And the

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attribution is built right into
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Dave Jones: We'll see that's the
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term that's the only way forward
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Adam Curry: going away. Yes. And
it's not going to work anymore.

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Dave Jones: going to work at
Apple will flip the switch. They

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are going to do it and it is
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to break Yeah. Yeah, the world
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Adam Curry: Words word so true,
my friend. We live in a broken

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Dave Jones: You know, I've got a
I've got a I brought a

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Adam Curry: Up brought up
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don't even have the beamer
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Who who has the remote for the
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What kind of cord Do you have?
On your head

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Dave Jones: display port?

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Adam Curry: We need adapters.

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Dave Jones: Somebody can
somebody dropped the screen in

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the travel conference room? I
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Adam Curry: But how many times
we've been through that crap.

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Dave Jones: Oh, three times a
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transition, which is another way
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Dave Jones: Sounds like what are
those? What are those things?

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The little little carousel?
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Adam Curry: project. That's what
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Dave Jones: And then you know
how many of those I sat through?

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My grandmother showed me. My
uncle Israel, Uncle Stanley.

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Adam Curry: Uncle Stanley did
that in our fab. And then you

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have Oh, go back and you have
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like, yeah, there it is. There's
your double click back.

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Dave Jones: Like, Oh, Grandma,
the Jordan, the Jordan River.

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Adam Curry: Invariably, like
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next carousel and everything
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Stanley would be literally mad.
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Don't touch

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Dave Jones: Yeah, yeah. So I
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talk about general the issue

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edification of of the entire
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Adam Curry: and should have
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social. It's political. It's,
it's every where you look, there

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are, there are, there's you can
see the cracks. This this week

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was a difficult week. For me,
not psychologically, I thought

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almost a depression this week.
Oh, goodness. Because of, it's

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primarily to do with with with a
thing that happened at my day

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job that I was fighting against,
that I obviously can't go into

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detail about, but I can but I
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Adam Curry: Enough about
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Dave Jones: And it is not
Microsoft know, the in but but

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that's the point is it could be
any of them that like this

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applies to all of them. So we've
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software vendor that we have a
lot of client data in. And we

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come in Monday into the office
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administrative user for this
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user unknown user. That is
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said user does not exist. And I
was like, Excuse me. This is

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literally the account that has
everything. All the poverty.

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This is godmode account. There's
only one of them it because you

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can only have one of them,
right? And so I was like, Yeah,

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this problem. So my coworker
calls And he's in, he's told,

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Oh, that account got disabled by
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team, because they got flagged
for you know, something specific

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suspicious. And I was in so they
said, All everything's met,

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everything's okay.

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Adam Curry: All your data is
safe. Yes,

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Dave Jones: you can say that.
Everything's alright. But all

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you gotta do we just need you to
submit your best submit photo ID

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proof.

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Adam Curry: What are they
Twitter was Twitter, your

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vendor? What is the Facebook,

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Dave Jones: we need to verify
that you did, you're still in

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control of this account. Okay,
fine, submitted that

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information, uploaded it through
a link we were given.

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Adam Curry: Now yours or your
colleagues, Nicole McCauley,

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good, good work,

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Dave Jones: three, three days,
three days and your subordinate,

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Adam Curry: I should point out
not just your colleague, the guy

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who works for you, hey, use your
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Dave Jones: as a colleague,
because I don't want to

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three days later, no word, no
feed, note no response. So I

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Adam Curry: three hours, three
hours, I would be pissed off.

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Dave Jones: Now I have to get
involved. So we were told two to

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three days to turn around time.
So now I have to get involved,

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right? I call I call in. I'm
told I'm told a different. Now

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I'm told a different thing. I'm
told, Oh, well, your security

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team disabled this account. And
you're gonna have to create a

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new admin account. And in order
to do that, you're gonna have to

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submit documentation for
district conditio, your

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representative the company, and
he's gonna have to be Shawn

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signed by the managing
shareholder. Oh, cool. You're

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gonna need to submit articles of
organization. Shareholders

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agree? Yes, yes, yes. So went
through all that. I'm going to

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try to not make this story long.
Because I'm trying to get to a

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bigger point, I'm loving it.
Went through all that to a day

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later, get a rejection. Notice
that you did not submit your

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structure of your organization
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Adam Curry: your TPS reports,
your TPS reports are not an

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order is such

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Dave Jones: that you need that
you need signed documentation

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from all of the shareholders.

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Adam Curry: And there's probably
30 partners.

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Dave Jones: It it's not a small
number. And so I spent the

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entire day getting photo IDs,
permission letters, all this

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stuff, submitted it again on
Friday. Got a reject another

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rejection over the weekend
saying you did not submit any

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information. So this, so I'm
gonna stop right there. This

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eventually the reason that I was
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eventually got resolved today.
And it started last Monday. We

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got stuck in a loop where nobody
could verify when we get stuck

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in an automation loop, a
bureaucracy a bureaucratic

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automation loop, which is what I
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everything enterprise software
is broken. So let me try to give

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a this intiative occation is the
way I'm talking about it's like

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it's the it's the phenomenon of
an emerging awareness that the

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techniques and rules based
processes we've all become, like

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bound to, they don't actually
serve a purpose. They're not

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useful, their usefulness. They
don't they don't actually serve

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a purpose purpose for which
their usefulness outweighs the

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effort used to adhere to them.
Does that make sense?

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Adam Curry: No, say say at
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Dave Jones: So so it's it,
there's this emerging awareness

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that the the rules and the
techniques that we are bound to

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in all of these areas of life
don't actually serve a purpose

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for which their usefulness
outweighs the effort we have to

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x put out to adhere to them? Oh,
no, of

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Adam Curry: course not.

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Dave Jones: So like when when
technology is so when technology

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produces velocity, okay, I'm
going to use that term. When

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technology produces a sort of
like a velocity or, or a

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momentum. There's this sense of
pride Progress and like

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economic, physical progress
academic. Like even just like a

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general excitement over
invention, and like new things,

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you know, you get to play with
new things, you get to

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experience new things. GK
Chesterton said the Chief

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pleasure. Well, what do you say
is, the chief said the Chief

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pleasure is surprise of all the
pleasures of humanity, the chief

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one is surprise. There's that's
progress. And technological

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velocity takes advantage of that
experiential thing within

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humanity. We, because of that,
we ignore the sort of second

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order effects, we ignore the
things that are happening while

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as a result of the technological
velocity and in momentum. So

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we're all just waiting for the
next thing to happen. But now,

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there's not a next thing. There
is no next thing anymore. The

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like, technology always resolves
itself down at the, when edit

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edits end. Technology always
resolves itself down to

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technique. And once the once
that technological villa, I'm

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using the term technological
velocity, because I think some

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people say like pace of
innovation, and I don't like

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that. I don't think that that's
really what what I mean, once

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that technological velocity
slows, those second order

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effects that we didn't, that we
just sort of like were a little

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bit aware of that maybe they
were covered up by the, by the

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excitement and the surprise of
the new Yeah, those things

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become the primary functions.
They become not like they're no

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longer freedom, they're
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Adam Curry: absolutely. Or prof
G would say 100%.

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Dave Jones: Profit, G. Well,
yeah. So like, a AI is? Well,

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before I do before I before I go
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notes from from this, we've been
watching the show. I think it's

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on what used to be HBO, Max, and
Max now, to be watching this

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show. It's called for the love
of kitchens. Don't laugh at me.

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Adam Curry: I love it. I think I
think I'm gonna have to watch

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the show for the love of
kitchens, I like it.

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Dave Jones: It's the default is
this company called Devall.

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They're out of the UK, they make
these like $100,000 kitchens. So

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we kind of get into this show.
But there's this one. They've

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got a bunch of craftsmen that
that are that work for this

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company. And they're on this
little Preserve. And it's it's a

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00:28:04,500 --> 00:28:09,180
really nice atmosphere. And
there's this one guy that he was

444
00:28:09,180 --> 00:28:14,250
in it, and then he became a
blacksmith working for this

445
00:28:14,610 --> 00:28:20,370
Deval outfit. And he just gives
us a little bit of his thoughts

446
00:28:20,370 --> 00:28:20,580
on

447
00:28:21,870 --> 00:28:28,560
Unknown: draw out the point.
Then Winston that bend over the

448
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:32,550
end, because no one likes a
sharp hook. So it doesn't damage

449
00:28:32,550 --> 00:28:36,960
whatever you put on. I'm using
my jig, I'll create the curve of

450
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:42,840
the hook. All I've got left to
do now is get it all warm again.

451
00:28:46,770 --> 00:28:52,440
Let it cool event, and then
we're waxing. Previously, I've

452
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:57,360
had 20 plus years in the IT
industry. And a few years ago, I

453
00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:01,590
decided that I wanted something
outside of it. I come to work

454
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:08,130
and I've got a boys toys, I can
create stuff. And it's a freedom

455
00:29:08,130 --> 00:29:13,530
that I never thought I'd get.
I'm loving this. This is the

456
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:18,240
rail that Joe will be getting it
when you hold something when you

457
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:24,120
know someone spent time creating
it. Bit of love put into it. I

458
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:27,060
think that comes through to the
customer. What's the

459
00:29:27,060 --> 00:29:27,930
Adam Curry: name of this show?

460
00:29:28,650 --> 00:29:33,840
Dave Jones: It's called for the
love of kitchens. So here's, you

461
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:40,050
know, here's a guy, IT guy for
20 years. He finally got out of

462
00:29:40,050 --> 00:29:45,780
the IT game. And I would say the
technology game in general or

463
00:29:45,780 --> 00:29:50,370
the Information Technology game
and got in now. He He's a

464
00:29:50,370 --> 00:29:53,340
craftsman. He's a tradesman, he
makes things with his hands. And

465
00:29:53,340 --> 00:29:56,610
he's super excited about it and
he feels a seat he talks about

466
00:29:56,610 --> 00:29:59,970
the freedom and I think the
freedom that he's talking about

467
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:06,210
Is, is this thing, it's, it's
the freedom from these second

468
00:30:06,210 --> 00:30:11,820
order effects that build up as
we progress technologically. And

469
00:30:12,570 --> 00:30:18,840
that this, this brings me to, to
to AI. That's what AI, it hit me

470
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:26,790
this week. AI is that is like
the subconscious attempt of the

471
00:30:26,790 --> 00:30:34,050
technological society to solve
this paradox. As you increase as

472
00:30:34,050 --> 00:30:39,480
you progress, as you increase
technology, you also increase

473
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:43,140
these constraints, these second
order effects, you start to feel

474
00:30:43,140 --> 00:30:48,030
captivated, Eastover start to
feel captive to them. You could

475
00:30:48,030 --> 00:30:53,130
say like, you know, like, when,
when we go to bed at night, we

476
00:30:53,130 --> 00:30:56,850
don't we don't, we don't feel as
happy as we did in like, 1990.

477
00:30:57,870 --> 00:31:02,340
And it's not because, you know,
it's not because of it is

478
00:31:02,340 --> 00:31:06,030
because of a lot of these
things, is because we now have

479
00:31:06,030 --> 00:31:11,370
we have, we've technically
progressed. But we are because

480
00:31:11,370 --> 00:31:14,880
of that we have all these
technical constraints on us now

481
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:18,930
that we have to adhere to, it's
not enough to just, you know,

482
00:31:19,140 --> 00:31:24,300
turn on the washing machine. Now
we have, it's also connected to

483
00:31:24,300 --> 00:31:27,150
an app on a window over Wi Fi on
our phone.

484
00:31:28,830 --> 00:31:32,100
Adam Curry: Hello, oh, it's
Professor Ted from the grave for

485
00:31:32,100 --> 00:31:33,510
you, Ted Kaczynski,

486
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:39,480
Dave Jones: consults, still a
consultant. So the technical,

487
00:31:39,510 --> 00:31:44,040
the technological velocity has
slowed. We're unhappy with the

488
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:50,250
constraints that it left us
with. And then comes AI. And AI

489
00:31:50,250 --> 00:31:56,160
is the promises to ease the
burden of of those constraints.

490
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:59,400
So AI is gonna take you so you
take this situation that I was

491
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:04,770
in this week, you know, and now
we're AI has to emerge in order

492
00:32:04,770 --> 00:32:10,860
to be, quote, more intelligent,
about, about security, about

493
00:32:10,890 --> 00:32:14,340
about analyzing the security
data to make sure that things

494
00:32:14,340 --> 00:32:19,620
that happen, like happened to me
won't happen again. Or to use a

495
00:32:19,620 --> 00:32:23,460
personal example, from
podcasting. And this, this kind

496
00:32:23,460 --> 00:32:26,190
of ultimately comes around, I'm
gonna I'm gonna ding ourselves

497
00:32:26,220 --> 00:32:29,370
for this, which is not our
fault, but it's just to how it

498
00:32:29,370 --> 00:32:33,900
goes. With all the new features
within podcasting, 2.0 in

499
00:32:33,900 --> 00:32:39,150
podcast namespace. Buzzsprout
now has to create AI in order to

500
00:32:39,150 --> 00:32:45,870
make chapters and things like
this easier. Because now in

501
00:32:45,870 --> 00:32:49,950
order to produce a podcast,
you're there's more stuff to do.

502
00:32:52,140 --> 00:32:57,330
And so this AI is like, AI is
this empty promise because it

503
00:32:57,330 --> 00:33:01,410
can't work. It's not going to
function the way that it can't.

504
00:33:01,410 --> 00:33:05,430
So it's a it's claiming to solve
a problem that it can't solve,

505
00:33:05,430 --> 00:33:10,530
right? And it all goes back to
this this. We were promised

506
00:33:10,530 --> 00:33:14,850
flying cars, and we got 140
characters that concept. It's

507
00:33:14,850 --> 00:33:18,900
worse than that. Because 140
characters brought with it.

508
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:26,100
Social media, apps, PR, SEO,
mobile device management,

509
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:31,710
security vulnerabilities, tech
support, censorship, on and on

510
00:33:31,710 --> 00:33:32,970
and on, if you're really

511
00:33:32,970 --> 00:33:34,320
Adam Curry: bumming me out,
dude.

512
00:33:36,900 --> 00:33:39,390
Dave Jones: What I'm saying is,
AI is not the beginning of

513
00:33:39,390 --> 00:33:41,610
anything. It's the end.

514
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:44,190
Adam Curry: It's actually the
end of memory, the way I see it,

515
00:33:45,060 --> 00:33:46,680
that we become so lazy,

516
00:33:47,130 --> 00:33:49,230
Dave Jones: is the end of
innovation is not the beginning

517
00:33:49,230 --> 00:33:53,070
of any new phase of innovation.
It's the end it's not in the AI

518
00:33:53,070 --> 00:33:58,410
is not innovation. It's
supplication. Whoo. snapback,

519
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:04,290
like it is begging you not to
give up and exit the system.

520
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:07,920
Adam Curry: Yeah, yes, yes, yes.
Yes. You know, it's interesting

521
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:16,260
that when I was 6015, maybe even
14, I lived in a small village

522
00:34:16,260 --> 00:34:21,360
south of Amsterdam, and I did
two summers. The thing was two

523
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:28,020
summers of Saturday work, and
sometimes Thursday or Friday

524
00:34:28,020 --> 00:34:32,220
work at a blacksmith oh really
actually learned how to shoe a

525
00:34:32,220 --> 00:34:36,210
horse. And by the way, that
smell when you when you put that

526
00:34:36,210 --> 00:34:40,380
horseshoe onto the horse's hoof
you'll never forget that smell.

527
00:34:40,740 --> 00:34:44,310
But it was it was one of the
gritten the Smith core core the

528
00:34:44,310 --> 00:34:49,860
Smith God he was Dutch guy Of
course. He was really like, you

529
00:34:49,860 --> 00:34:54,870
know, tall lanky, strong dude
and just watching him bang those

530
00:34:54,900 --> 00:34:59,220
those cars you get the standard,
poor shoe from from the horse

531
00:34:59,220 --> 00:35:03,150
shoe factory. You got to make it
fit for the horse. It was, it

532
00:35:03,150 --> 00:35:05,820
was one of the most exciting
times in my life. And I

533
00:35:05,820 --> 00:35:09,270
remembered so I can still I can
still smell that burning hoof.

534
00:35:10,590 --> 00:35:17,610
It was, it was very fulfilling,
versus the electronics store

535
00:35:17,610 --> 00:35:21,840
where I work later, where I sold
resistors and transistors and

536
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:27,000
capacitors and solder and stuff
like that. Although the smell of

537
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:31,470
solder not bad either, not a bad
smell of solder even that, do

538
00:35:31,470 --> 00:35:33,390
kids even know how to solder
anymore.

539
00:35:33,570 --> 00:35:40,770
Dave Jones: Know. The easy
problems are all in technology,

540
00:35:40,770 --> 00:35:43,560
the easy problems are all
solved. They were all solved a

541
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:47,160
long time ago. You know that?
That's that's the thing. Now,

542
00:35:47,970 --> 00:35:52,050
this bothers me about noster
because they seem to have this

543
00:35:52,050 --> 00:35:58,050
idea, that prob that, that
there's some easy solution to

544
00:35:58,050 --> 00:36:03,510
things that are inherently
impossibly difficult, like

545
00:36:03,510 --> 00:36:09,660
decentralization, and that
they're kidding themselves. The

546
00:36:09,660 --> 00:36:13,050
easy stuff already has answered
it was already answered long

547
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:13,620
ago.

548
00:36:13,709 --> 00:36:16,559
Adam Curry: That's interesting.
You say that because I follow

549
00:36:17,129 --> 00:36:22,379
the damos developer through
through the noster to activity

550
00:36:22,379 --> 00:36:27,089
pub bridge. So I follow him on
podcast index dot social. And I

551
00:36:27,089 --> 00:36:31,589
see him making stuff that is so
centralized. It's not even

552
00:36:31,589 --> 00:36:34,469
decentralized. It's all
centralized. So I mean, it's

553
00:36:34,469 --> 00:36:38,069
just yeah. And you can see
people replying, hey, you know,

554
00:36:38,099 --> 00:36:41,429
turn off the damos relay. Yeah,
no nostril will collapse.

555
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:45,990
Dave Jones: It's moving. It's
more. Yeah. And the things that

556
00:36:45,990 --> 00:36:50,070
I see them saying are more like,
we're about to make

557
00:36:50,070 --> 00:36:56,100
decentralized shopping the thing
you can't stop us figured out

558
00:36:56,100 --> 00:36:59,850
something brand new that
nobody's ever seen before. Okay,

559
00:36:59,850 --> 00:37:05,430
so there's again, another clip,
there's, it reminded me of John

560
00:37:05,430 --> 00:37:09,780
Carmax interview on the LEX
Friedman show. And he made this

561
00:37:09,780 --> 00:37:13,500
statement, and it has stuck like
a thorn in my brain ever since.

562
00:37:13,500 --> 00:37:17,430
And it has bothered me. And I
think it was the impetus for all

563
00:37:17,430 --> 00:37:20,700
of the thinking that I have had
to do about this topic. This

564
00:37:20,700 --> 00:37:24,180
week. It's he's talking about
artificial into artificial

565
00:37:24,180 --> 00:37:29,040
intelligence, specifically AGI
or you know, general

566
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:36,870
intelligence. And he's acting as
if there are easy answers to

567
00:37:36,870 --> 00:37:39,510
this, that we just have to wait
around for

568
00:37:39,780 --> 00:37:42,240
Unknown: the artificial general
intelligence side of things.

569
00:37:42,720 --> 00:37:50,040
I'm, it seems to me like this is
the highest leverage moment for

570
00:37:50,070 --> 00:37:53,100
potentially a single individual,
potentially, in the history of

571
00:37:53,100 --> 00:37:57,750
the world, where the things that
we know about the brain about

572
00:37:57,750 --> 00:38:01,710
what we can do with artificial
intelligence. Nobody can say

573
00:38:01,740 --> 00:38:06,030
absolutely on any of these
things. But I am not a madman,

574
00:38:06,270 --> 00:38:10,170
for saying that it is likely
that the code for artificial

575
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:14,880
general intelligence is going to
be 10s of 1000s of lines of

576
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:18,300
code, not millions of lines of
code. This is code that

577
00:38:18,300 --> 00:38:22,320
conceivably one individual could
write, unlike writing a new web

578
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:27,600
browser operating system. And
based on the progress that AI

579
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:32,010
has machine learning has made in
the recent decade, it's likely

580
00:38:32,010 --> 00:38:35,280
that the important things that
we don't know, are relatively

581
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:39,540
simple, there's probably a
handful of things. And my bet is

582
00:38:39,540 --> 00:38:44,610
that I think there's less than
six key insights that need to be

583
00:38:44,610 --> 00:38:47,220
made, each one of them can
probably be written on the back

584
00:38:47,220 --> 00:38:50,280
of an envelope. We don't know
what they are. But when they're

585
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:54,600
put together, in concert with
GPUs at scale, and the data that

586
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:58,650
we all have access to, that we
can make something that behaves

587
00:38:58,650 --> 00:39:02,850
like a human being or like a
living creature, and that can

588
00:39:02,850 --> 00:39:06,330
then be educated in whatever
ways that we need to get to the

589
00:39:06,330 --> 00:39:10,140
point where we can have
universal remote workers where

590
00:39:10,140 --> 00:39:13,440
anything that somebody does
mediated by a computer and

591
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:17,010
doesn't require physical
interaction. And that an AGI

592
00:39:17,010 --> 00:39:20,130
will be able to do we can
already simulate the, you know,

593
00:39:20,130 --> 00:39:24,030
the equivalent of the zoom, the
Zoom meetings with avatars, and

594
00:39:24,060 --> 00:39:27,360
if synthetic deep fakes and
whatnot, we can definitely do

595
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:31,500
that. We have superhuman
capabilities on any narrow thing

596
00:39:31,500 --> 00:39:34,440
that we can, that we could
formalize and make a loss

597
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:38,040
function for. But there's things
we don't know how to do now. But

598
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:40,920
I don't think they are
unapproachable or hard. Now,

599
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:45,180
that's incredibly hubristic to
say that it's like, but I think

600
00:39:45,390 --> 00:39:48,600
that what I said a couple years
ago is a 50% chance that

601
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:53,460
somewhere, there will be signs
of life of AGI in 2030. And I've

602
00:39:53,460 --> 00:39:57,750
probably increased that
slightly. I may be at 55 60%.

603
00:39:57,750 --> 00:40:01,110
Now because I do think there's a
little sense of acceleration

604
00:40:01,110 --> 00:40:01,560
there.

605
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,490
Dave Jones: He's kidding
himself. But he's completely

606
00:40:05,490 --> 00:40:11,100
delusional. There's let me give
him the let me just give one

607
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:12,660
cynical example.

608
00:40:12,659 --> 00:40:15,179
Adam Curry: Can I give you my
theory about all of this before

609
00:40:15,179 --> 00:40:18,629
you give us your example? Yeah,
sure. My theory is ultimately

610
00:40:18,629 --> 00:40:21,749
everybody wants a robot for
porn. That's all that it is.

611
00:40:21,779 --> 00:40:25,289
That's all that we're every sees
like, I want a robot for porn.

612
00:40:25,499 --> 00:40:29,219
That's, that's what it is. I
don't see. And then as men and

613
00:40:29,219 --> 00:40:32,969
women alike, we don't really
want anything else.

614
00:40:34,980 --> 00:40:38,250
Dave Jones: This it all comes?
Well, it all comes back to it

615
00:40:38,250 --> 00:40:40,830
all comes back to the AI
question. de ar question being

616
00:40:40,830 --> 00:40:46,080
the the ai ai being the end, not
the beginning. It's yeah, I

617
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:51,480
mean, that fits with what your
title is, like. So I guess, I

618
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:56,010
don't know how long ago this
was, maybe. Oh, gosh, it's got

619
00:40:56,010 --> 00:41:00,120
to be 15 years ago, at least.
Now, it's more than that. So I

620
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:03,090
was really involved with this
assembly, Windows assembly

621
00:41:03,090 --> 00:41:08,460
language community called MASM,
MASM, 32. So we, it was the

622
00:41:08,460 --> 00:41:14,010
first open source software
community I was a part of. And

623
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:16,860
there was a great developer,
he's still around somewhere

624
00:41:16,860 --> 00:41:22,860
called his handle was mad
wizard. And he was just top

625
00:41:22,860 --> 00:41:27,270
notch. And he wrote all kinds of
killer assembly software for

626
00:41:27,270 --> 00:41:33,330
Windows. He went on to develop
some USB drivers for like custom

627
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:35,580
where you can do custom modules
and that kind of thing, which

628
00:41:35,580 --> 00:41:39,870
was cool. But he wrote this
thing one time, it was a very

629
00:41:39,870 --> 00:41:43,140
simple tool that would just
enumerate all of the network

630
00:41:43,140 --> 00:41:45,900
interface cards, and your
Windows machine can give you

631
00:41:45,900 --> 00:41:48,930
information by giving the MAC
address give me remember, this

632
00:41:48,930 --> 00:41:51,840
is 2002 Or three.

633
00:41:52,260 --> 00:41:56,790
Adam Curry: Right now. We have
defconfig dash a

634
00:41:57,330 --> 00:42:03,960
Dave Jones: with Windows XP air.
And so he writes this tool in

635
00:42:05,370 --> 00:42:08,340
and I'm looking through the
source and it doesn't work,

636
00:42:08,340 --> 00:42:11,940
right. There's this one class of
network interface cards, that it

637
00:42:11,940 --> 00:42:15,750
can't find it was like a ton
adapter or something like that.

638
00:42:16,350 --> 00:42:22,080
So no matter what you did, you
wouldn't show it. So I'm looking

639
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:26,580
through there and I found a
found some obscure documentation

640
00:42:27,210 --> 00:42:32,970
on Microsoft's win 32 API. This
showed that this specific type

641
00:42:32,970 --> 00:42:37,650
of network interface card, you
had a constant in the windows

642
00:42:37,650 --> 00:42:42,120
3132 API that he was not
accounting for. So what he had

643
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:46,200
done is he admit he had made
this little he had made this,

644
00:42:46,470 --> 00:42:51,540
this little macro, a simple
language macro, that was

645
00:42:51,780 --> 00:42:57,540
constructing the constants that
he was going to use for lookups,

646
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:01,080
building a lookup table,
essentially, in memory. based on

647
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:05,160
a formula, it was like, adding
100 at each time or something to

648
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:09,750
this bitmask. So he was building
this thing in memory with this

649
00:43:09,750 --> 00:43:13,350
macro when he first launched.
And the interesting thing is,

650
00:43:13,380 --> 00:43:17,880
all of the constants were just
easily he could just do this, go

651
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:21,000
right through, right, they all
fit the same mathematical

652
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:28,980
algorithm. This one constant did
not. So in order to support this

653
00:43:28,980 --> 00:43:32,670
type of network interface card
within the win 32 API, he had to

654
00:43:32,670 --> 00:43:38,820
get rid of this elegant, three
line macro, and build in just a

655
00:43:38,820 --> 00:43:46,110
static table of constants. Now,
he has just had to make his code

656
00:43:46,140 --> 00:43:51,900
ugly and less modular to support
this other thing. And this, this

657
00:43:51,900 --> 00:43:57,900
is what I'm talking about. We we
can't stop this process from

658
00:43:57,900 --> 00:44:03,930
happening. There's no way in
which like, like John Carmack

659
00:44:03,930 --> 00:44:08,310
has said, he's deluding himself.
There, there is no easy answers

660
00:44:08,310 --> 00:44:13,500
anymore. You can't you he is
still operating under this idea.

661
00:44:14,850 --> 00:44:19,830
That there's this, that it's
possible to have elegant, easy,

662
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:25,440
simple solutions to difficult
problems. And that is, that is

663
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:27,390
not accurate, either.

664
00:44:28,110 --> 00:44:31,710
Adam Curry: I'm gonna say I
would actually posit, based on

665
00:44:31,710 --> 00:44:34,170
what you're saying, in my own
thinking, my own independent

666
00:44:34,170 --> 00:44:39,360
thinking is AI. First of all,
it's a buzzword, it's the new

667
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:44,100
blockchain, whatever, it's only
going to create more employment

668
00:44:44,100 --> 00:44:49,230
opportunities, not less, more.
There'll be many more people

669
00:44:49,230 --> 00:44:53,340
necessary to support this stuff
for the reason you just laid

670
00:44:53,340 --> 00:44:53,730
out.

671
00:44:56,250 --> 00:45:01,050
Dave Jones: But you see I'm more
pessimistic.

672
00:45:03,060 --> 00:45:05,640
Adam Curry: Okay, could you get
even more mummery on me?

673
00:45:05,790 --> 00:45:09,330
Dave Jones: I'm more pessimist
in this because so much stuff

674
00:45:09,330 --> 00:45:11,520
happened this week that's just
sort of like all played in

675
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:18,120
together. Mark Marco Hill Linna
at Linode in a Marco posted

676
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:24,810
publicly that Linode is now that
their own Bochum I just for just

677
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:28,050
randomly told him that they're
going to down his server for a

678
00:45:28,050 --> 00:45:31,320
migration. Like in the middle of
the day for eight he's gonna

679
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:32,910
have eight hours of downtime
Marco

680
00:45:32,910 --> 00:45:35,940
Adam Curry: from overcast Marco
overcast. Oh, so they just sent

681
00:45:35,940 --> 00:45:38,820
him a note will ping or mass
email like, hey, screw your

682
00:45:38,820 --> 00:45:39,510
business?

683
00:45:40,050 --> 00:45:46,470
Dave Jones: Pretty much. Yeah,
exactly. And And guess what? The

684
00:45:46,470 --> 00:45:51,600
way I see this resolving is is
the Exodus, people are going to

685
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:56,040
start just on a technological
level, people are going to start

686
00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:59,730
checking it out. I've already
seen it happening. I've already

687
00:45:59,730 --> 00:46:02,700
seen people that are getting
they're detaching from social

688
00:46:02,700 --> 00:46:06,750
media. They're tired of it. They
can't, they're there. They're

689
00:46:06,750 --> 00:46:08,760
not able to process it.

690
00:46:09,270 --> 00:46:13,110
Adam Curry: I agree. I see this
everywhere we have we have long

691
00:46:13,110 --> 00:46:16,560
reach peak social media,
particularly with the advent of

692
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:20,250
threads. You have all these
choices. What am I on what's

693
00:46:20,250 --> 00:46:24,930
authoritative? Twitter has
become, you know, Tina took a

694
00:46:24,930 --> 00:46:29,460
one month sabbatical from, from
all social media, which I

695
00:46:29,460 --> 00:46:31,980
thought was it was pretty good.
She it was interesting to see

696
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:36,840
what she was doing instead. And,
and now she's back on Twitter.

697
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:39,990
And in that one month, he says,
Well, I don't have a blue check.

698
00:46:39,990 --> 00:46:43,080
I don't really want to spend any
money on this. And you know,

699
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:48,360
now, half the people I see their
subscription only. I can't

700
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:52,290
scroll further back in someone's
timeline, because you need to be

701
00:46:52,290 --> 00:46:57,180
blue check for that. And and she
and she just wasn't like, a

702
00:46:57,180 --> 00:46:59,970
couple of weeks ago. I'm bored.
I'm bored. It's stupid. All I

703
00:46:59,970 --> 00:47:04,440
see is some outrage. I'm not
even interested anymore. It's I

704
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:07,230
think it's peaks. And she's my
canary. Yeah, but I'm seeing

705
00:47:07,230 --> 00:47:10,770
more of it. I'm seeing more
people just checking out. And

706
00:47:11,250 --> 00:47:14,370
well, I have my own reasons to
think that there people are

707
00:47:14,370 --> 00:47:17,730
turning to other things, many
other things outside of

708
00:47:17,730 --> 00:47:19,050
technology together.

709
00:47:20,340 --> 00:47:22,950
Dave Jones: And I think we need
to preserve podcasting. This

710
00:47:22,980 --> 00:47:25,710
brings it all back to podcast.
Yes, thanks. I think we need to

711
00:47:25,710 --> 00:47:26,610
preserve

712
00:47:26,730 --> 00:47:28,740
Adam Curry: one hour and we're
back to podcast.

713
00:47:31,260 --> 00:47:37,770
Dave Jones: Because here's a
permit me to permit me to read

714
00:47:37,770 --> 00:47:38,670
this passage.

715
00:47:39,060 --> 00:47:41,700
Adam Curry: This is a point of
personal privilege permission

716
00:47:41,700 --> 00:47:42,750
granted, of course.

717
00:47:44,340 --> 00:47:46,890
Dave Jones: This is from the
technological society by Jacques

718
00:47:46,890 --> 00:47:51,480
Ellul. This explains Another
characteristic of the books

719
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:54,690
written after the century of
humanism, their lack of

720
00:47:54,690 --> 00:47:59,610
convenience, we find few tables
of contents, no references, no

721
00:47:59,610 --> 00:48:03,210
division intersections, no
indices, no chronology,

722
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:07,830
sometimes not even page nation.
The apparatus standard for

723
00:48:07,830 --> 00:48:11,070
scientific works today is not
found even rudimentary in the

724
00:48:11,070 --> 00:48:14,190
most perfect works of the
period. And its absence is

725
00:48:14,190 --> 00:48:18,930
characteristics of the absence
of intellectual technique. The

726
00:48:18,930 --> 00:48:21,900
books of the time were not
written to be used along with

727
00:48:21,900 --> 00:48:25,920
hundreds of others, to locate a
piece of information accurately

728
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:30,150
and quickly, or to validate or
invalidate an experiment or to

729
00:48:30,150 --> 00:48:34,560
furnish a formula. They were not
written to be consulted. They

730
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:38,040
were written to be read
patiently in their entirety,

731
00:48:38,070 --> 00:48:41,640
amen To be meditated upon.
Again, this goes back to the

732
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:45,780
ideal of universality. The
presentation of a book, as an

733
00:48:45,780 --> 00:48:50,100
author's entire self, is a
personal expression of his very

734
00:48:50,100 --> 00:48:54,300
being supposes that the reader
sought in it not the solution of

735
00:48:54,300 --> 00:48:58,140
a given difficulty, or the
answer to a given problem, but

736
00:48:58,140 --> 00:49:02,370
rather to make personal contact
with the author. It was more a

737
00:49:02,370 --> 00:49:06,030
question of personal exchange
than if taking an objective

738
00:49:06,030 --> 00:49:06,660
position.

739
00:49:06,689 --> 00:49:09,839
Adam Curry: Wow, totally
applicable to podcasting.

740
00:49:10,230 --> 00:49:12,180
Dave Jones: That's what
podcasting is. That's what's an

741
00:49:12,180 --> 00:49:12,690
island.

742
00:49:12,720 --> 00:49:15,330
Adam Curry: This is what we
discussed on the previous show.

743
00:49:15,540 --> 00:49:18,450
And by the way, got a lot of
beautiful emails and notes from

744
00:49:18,450 --> 00:49:23,520
people saying, yes, yes, this is
what I got into podcasting for

745
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:27,360
there's one guy who does a half
hour podcast a week with his son

746
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:31,170
whose house it was across the
country at college. And he says,

747
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:33,870
he's connected me to massage. I
don't care if there's three if

748
00:49:33,870 --> 00:49:37,620
there's no one listening. It's
connecting us and people are

749
00:49:37,620 --> 00:49:40,860
able to listen in and then it
inspires them to connect with

750
00:49:40,860 --> 00:49:47,250
their children. The connection
between audience and I'll say,

751
00:49:47,340 --> 00:49:50,940
content creator, but that's not
even really applicable. Even

752
00:49:50,940 --> 00:49:55,830
died by itself is as always been
a word. A noun that bothers me.

753
00:49:56,640 --> 00:50:00,420
That connection has been so lost
in the podcast and Industrial

754
00:50:00,420 --> 00:50:04,350
Complex of CPMs and pixels and,
and all that stuff. It's

755
00:50:04,350 --> 00:50:08,490
completely gone away from what
it originally was voices.

756
00:50:10,139 --> 00:50:12,119
Dave Jones: Yeah, just That's
why That's why that interview

757
00:50:12,119 --> 00:50:16,409
made me sad is because I was
like, No, this is this is all

758
00:50:16,409 --> 00:50:19,439
taken this is all technology
being applied to a medium.

759
00:50:19,439 --> 00:50:25,679
That's what this medium is where
books were in the, in the 16th

760
00:50:25,679 --> 00:50:31,439
century. We need to get it needs
to stay there. Because otherwise

761
00:50:31,439 --> 00:50:35,159
we create a technological
framework around podcasting,

762
00:50:35,159 --> 00:50:40,559
that's going to kill it. Think
he told that tracking pixels and

763
00:50:40,559 --> 00:50:44,039
all this that mean like this is
that this is is ultimately going

764
00:50:44,039 --> 00:50:49,259
to fail for reasons beyond their
control? It It damages the

765
00:50:49,259 --> 00:50:50,969
medium in the process?

766
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:58,590
Adam Curry: Yes. Now, I am not
so bearish on chapters, I think

767
00:50:58,620 --> 00:51:05,160
chapters, you know, there's a
very valid connective reason for

768
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:10,740
them. Outside of, oh, I'm bored,
I want to skip ahead. And I've

769
00:51:10,740 --> 00:51:14,700
always been looking for that I
personally like the different

770
00:51:15,540 --> 00:51:18,660
art pieces of art, which is what
Dred Scott does for us as much

771
00:51:18,660 --> 00:51:25,050
as humanly can. Which, which
gives me joy. You know, I don't

772
00:51:25,110 --> 00:51:29,160
look at the chapters to skip
ahead. Wow, this is boring.

773
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:32,160
Where's my next thing? No, I
looked at the chapters, in fact,

774
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:35,400
that we said didn't help you
skip ahead. I looked at the

775
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:38,820
chapters just for the joy of the
art or, you know, or something

776
00:51:38,820 --> 00:51:42,960
else that has been added to it.
That's how I've always you know,

777
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:45,780
that's how I've always viewed
them way, way different from,

778
00:51:46,470 --> 00:51:51,540
from anything. That is, uh,
yeah, I'm just different. Yeah.

779
00:51:51,869 --> 00:51:54,389
Dave Jones: I love chapters. And
I think this is a couple of

780
00:51:54,389 --> 00:51:58,259
things there. I think things
like that. There's a, they have

781
00:51:58,259 --> 00:52:03,509
to exist. Like, there's, you see
a thing and this, this is

782
00:52:03,539 --> 00:52:07,349
another aspect of this is this.
It becomes self fulfilling. So

783
00:52:07,349 --> 00:52:11,009
like the chapters as a
technology is it there's a sense

784
00:52:11,009 --> 00:52:15,149
in which it must exist? So we
have to create it? I mean, we

785
00:52:15,149 --> 00:52:18,059
didn't create it. I'm just
saying like, there, we have to

786
00:52:18,059 --> 00:52:20,819
take it to its fullest extent.
And I'm totally cool with that.

787
00:52:20,819 --> 00:52:25,889
And I love that. And I love
chapters, which I think we have

788
00:52:25,889 --> 00:52:31,859
to be, I'm trying to be honest,
and saying that those criticisms

789
00:52:31,859 --> 00:52:35,249
that apply to technology and
technological velocity in

790
00:52:35,249 --> 00:52:39,779
general. Also apply. We don't
get a free pan. Oh, we don't

791
00:52:39,809 --> 00:52:42,659
know we don't because I see
occasionally I'll have an

792
00:52:42,659 --> 00:52:45,779
episode that has chapters in it.
And the chapters are all messed

793
00:52:45,779 --> 00:52:49,919
up. And I get frustrated. And
I'm like, Oh, these aren't,

794
00:52:49,949 --> 00:52:51,689
these aren't. The timestamps are
right,

795
00:52:51,720 --> 00:52:53,130
Adam Curry: you should try it,
you should try working with a

796
00:52:53,130 --> 00:52:53,820
split kit.

797
00:52:55,050 --> 00:52:57,840
Dave Jones: I actually did, I
started messing around with

798
00:52:57,840 --> 00:52:58,770
sovereign feeds this week.

799
00:52:59,310 --> 00:53:02,310
Adam Curry: Sovereign feeds. So
this is a good point, because

800
00:53:02,310 --> 00:53:08,040
I'm so reliant upon Steven B's
work. And, you know, because he

801
00:53:08,070 --> 00:53:10,650
changes stuff, you know, he's
always upgrading doing things,

802
00:53:10,650 --> 00:53:14,340
and he does it pretty much in
production. And you know, of the

803
00:53:14,460 --> 00:53:18,720
100 times I use it, you know,
there's one time but not it's

804
00:53:18,720 --> 00:53:21,900
not even to watch one time that
it just breaks or something

805
00:53:21,900 --> 00:53:23,970
happens. And you know what, I'm
able to get a hold of him. And

806
00:53:23,970 --> 00:53:27,180
then we've never had a very
disastrous thing. But at that

807
00:53:27,180 --> 00:53:31,260
moment, my heart sinks
everything like Oh, no. And

808
00:53:32,550 --> 00:53:35,880
like, even on the last, the
previous because I was still

809
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:39,780
getting used to split kit. And
it was quite the transition from

810
00:53:39,780 --> 00:53:44,400
having my head how everything
works with value time splits,

811
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:47,310
and in sovereign feeds, and then
I was taking I was putting the

812
00:53:47,310 --> 00:53:51,000
split kit, and my just couldn't
quite wrap my head around how it

813
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:55,500
was working with live versus
what you then import for the,

814
00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:58,830
for the show. And while I was
producing last week's episode,

815
00:53:58,830 --> 00:54:01,590
after we're done, you know, I
put the new intro on and I'm

816
00:54:01,590 --> 00:54:03,570
going I'm getting I'm trying to
queue everything up, and I'm

817
00:54:03,570 --> 00:54:06,930
just, I'm like, oh my god, I'm
not going to get this done. I'm

818
00:54:06,930 --> 00:54:11,040
not I don't understand it. And I
had to, you know, just stop for

819
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:14,310
a second like, okay, you know,
because I have to line up the

820
00:54:14,730 --> 00:54:18,960
the in Split kid have to put the
right time code in this is all

821
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:22,500
this complexity that came in,
which is actually not that

822
00:54:22,500 --> 00:54:27,720
complex. I just couldn't wrap my
head around it. And it gave me a

823
00:54:27,720 --> 00:54:31,020
sinking feeling like I can't
publish the show until I figured

824
00:54:31,020 --> 00:54:31,830
this out.

825
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:36,030
Dave Jones: It's, we call it I
think we call it scissors as a

826
00:54:36,030 --> 00:54:40,200
defense as a emotional defense
mechanism. Because because we're

827
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:44,130
kind of scared of his of the of
all this stuff to it like, and

828
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:48,330
it's that it's that paradox
within all of us. If you've been

829
00:54:48,330 --> 00:54:52,470
in it long enough. You sent me
that clip of Leo this week and I

830
00:54:52,470 --> 00:54:57,510
felt this was sort of sort of
tangential to that it was sort

831
00:54:57,510 --> 00:55:00,630
of part of the same thing. If
you've been in In the

832
00:55:00,630 --> 00:55:04,710
information technology world in
any capacity for long enough,

833
00:55:05,850 --> 00:55:11,040
you eventually get, you
eventually have reached this

834
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:16,410
paradox, where there's something
in you that loves the technology

835
00:55:16,410 --> 00:55:20,040
and loves the problem solving of
it, and then the innovation and

836
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:24,690
the creation of the thing. But
you're also so pessimistic and

837
00:55:24,690 --> 00:55:29,580
so aggravated at it all. You're
like, it's like these two things

838
00:55:29,580 --> 00:55:32,460
that just feel like it like
inextricably linked you hate it

839
00:55:32,460 --> 00:55:35,430
and love it at exactly the same
time. And it feels like you've

840
00:55:35,430 --> 00:55:36,600
ripped your brain apart.

841
00:55:36,659 --> 00:55:39,659
Adam Curry: I hear you, I hear
you. Well, there is something.

842
00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:43,709
So I'm extremely optimistic. And
I know you're not pessimistic.

843
00:55:43,709 --> 00:55:47,369
But when it comes to podcasting,
and I've been dreaming about

844
00:55:47,369 --> 00:55:50,459
this, not just like, for 19
years, hoping we could make this

845
00:55:50,459 --> 00:55:54,749
happen somehow, but I'm actually
having dreams about the new

846
00:55:55,289 --> 00:55:59,489
category of podcasts that are
going to come on the scene. That

847
00:55:59,489 --> 00:56:04,709
is podcast with music and music
is so powerful. And there is so

848
00:56:04,709 --> 00:56:08,909
much creativity being put into
music not in the mainstream.

849
00:56:09,089 --> 00:56:12,179
Because the mainstream is very
formulaic for a whole bunch of

850
00:56:12,179 --> 00:56:16,799
reasons. It's it's truly one of
those systems and is broken, it

851
00:56:16,799 --> 00:56:20,519
doesn't work it does doesn't
even work for for your typical

852
00:56:20,519 --> 00:56:22,949
mainstream artists. They're not
making money on music, they're

853
00:56:22,949 --> 00:56:27,269
not getting value returned. Me,
it's just a rat race you've got

854
00:56:27,269 --> 00:56:29,819
to be in you've got to turn
around in that tub. Otherwise,

855
00:56:29,819 --> 00:56:33,599
you can't even do anything. It
is it's like a turd in his pot.

856
00:56:33,629 --> 00:56:37,019
Well, that was a that was a
translation of a Dutch ism. The

857
00:56:37,019 --> 00:56:41,909
Dutch ism is unrolling and
pisspot which means it's just

858
00:56:41,909 --> 00:56:44,399
swirling around like a turd into
pisspot. I know.

859
00:56:45,090 --> 00:56:48,030
Dave Jones: Love that the Dutch
word sound is just is just the

860
00:56:48,030 --> 00:56:48,690
word Pittsburgh,

861
00:56:48,719 --> 00:56:54,509
Adam Curry: Pittsburgh. So next
week, you're on vacation yet

862
00:56:54,509 --> 00:56:58,139
you're taking the day off deal.
And so that means there will be

863
00:56:58,139 --> 00:57:04,109
no board meeting however, that
will be the launch of boosting

864
00:57:04,109 --> 00:57:07,769
Rambo booster Graham ball will
I'm gonna launch it in this time

865
00:57:07,769 --> 00:57:12,119
slot. Nice and I'm gonna do it
live and do it live and we'll do

866
00:57:12,119 --> 00:57:12,749
it live.

867
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:15,810
Dave Jones: Where are you? Are
you gonna do a feed drop? A feed

868
00:57:15,810 --> 00:57:16,200
drop?

869
00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:17,730
Adam Curry: What's a feed drop?

870
00:57:17,910 --> 00:57:19,950
Dave Jones: Where you put your
episode and somebody else's

871
00:57:19,950 --> 00:57:24,570
feed? No, no, no, no, the
booster ball this Instagram ball

872
00:57:24,570 --> 00:57:25,440
in the podcast and

873
00:57:25,860 --> 00:57:29,700
Adam Curry: I hadn't even
thought of that idea feels icky

874
00:57:31,260 --> 00:57:34,530
doesn't feel right I would
prefer that mean I'm I have

875
00:57:34,530 --> 00:57:37,320
boosted grand ball.com I haven't
haven't launched the website yet

876
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:43,920
I got work to do. Which which by
itself will be interesting. But

877
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:48,930
I have in my head I know what
I'm going to do. And which means

878
00:57:48,930 --> 00:57:51,870
I'm going to freewheel it
because that's kind of the whole

879
00:57:51,900 --> 00:57:57,120
point. What I want to get back
to is that I'm playing music or

880
00:57:57,120 --> 00:58:01,230
playing music at that moment
because of how I feel. I want to

881
00:58:01,230 --> 00:58:05,250
have the interaction of the chat
room. So I will always record

882
00:58:05,250 --> 00:58:07,920
this before a live studio
audience even though most people

883
00:58:07,950 --> 00:58:12,570
probably not going to release
until Saturday. I felt like

884
00:58:12,570 --> 00:58:15,780
Saturday would be an interesting
day to release the music show

885
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:19,290
Dave Jones: because you're going
to do it live on Friday at noon

886
00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:21,180
and then you're going to do
you're going to actually put it

887
00:58:21,180 --> 00:58:22,350
in the feed on Saturday.

888
00:58:22,469 --> 00:58:25,889
Adam Curry: Yeah, well the feed
drop will be the release of

889
00:58:25,889 --> 00:58:28,319
every episode My plan is
currently is to have it on

890
00:58:28,319 --> 00:58:31,349
Saturday so if I record the show
on Wednesday night or what I

891
00:58:31,349 --> 00:58:35,729
mean whatever it is that's what
that's what I'm going for. We'll

892
00:58:35,729 --> 00:58:38,579
have to kind of see live
experience Yeah, the live

893
00:58:38,579 --> 00:58:43,109
experience will will not that
will be kind of like like a like

894
00:58:43,109 --> 00:58:45,869
a rave you know, it's like oh
the live experience is

895
00:58:45,869 --> 00:58:49,499
happening. You get you get the
flyer you get the flyer oh it's

896
00:58:49,499 --> 00:58:53,909
happening okay. Yeah, but it
won't be a set time is you have

897
00:58:53,909 --> 00:58:59,129
to hear about it through
whatever channels and I got even

898
00:58:59,129 --> 00:59:04,829
more enthusiastic when Sam from
wave Lake sent us this note you

899
00:59:04,829 --> 00:59:08,819
got to note too I did is great
Yep. And he said young kid

900
00:59:08,819 --> 00:59:11,339
trying to make it in music came
to Bitcoin park with their

901
00:59:11,339 --> 00:59:14,969
parents last week I saw the
wavelength demo decided to take

902
00:59:14,969 --> 00:59:18,209
a chance on value for value love
to see it thought you might so

903
00:59:18,209 --> 00:59:22,739
to the outside world is starting
to see what's going on here. And

904
00:59:22,739 --> 00:59:27,269
I thought wow, how cool is that?
I mean this this is there's two

905
00:59:27,269 --> 00:59:31,019
tracks one which is very sweet.
You know, she's young, but a

906
00:59:31,019 --> 00:59:35,069
very sweet kind of girly, you
know, slow track and the other

907
00:59:35,069 --> 00:59:37,859
one is a very kind of poppy
track. So of course it being

908
00:59:38,039 --> 00:59:41,279
Friday podcast and to point out
I want to play the play the

909
00:59:41,279 --> 00:59:45,869
poppy track, obviously. But I
have other things TJ sir TJ the

910
00:59:45,869 --> 00:59:50,249
wrathful who's been making all
these cool mixes for no agenda

911
00:59:50,249 --> 00:59:54,509
and carrying the keeper and he
released his music, which is the

912
00:59:54,509 --> 00:59:58,619
dorsals that's I'm going to play
that on the on next week show on

913
00:59:58,619 --> 01:00:00,419
the on the first Bookstagram
Ball.

914
01:00:00,599 --> 01:00:02,279
Dave Jones: I mean, this isn't
her day.

915
01:00:02,310 --> 01:00:04,260
Adam Curry: Oh is good is good.
I don't want to play that on

916
01:00:04,260 --> 01:00:08,940
today's show. I want to play
this this young woman who just

917
01:00:08,940 --> 01:00:11,400
said you know, hey, I'm gonna
give it a shot and the reason

918
01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:15,450
why is a because I liked the
song B and I and there's not a

919
01:00:15,450 --> 01:00:19,950
lot of music I really don't like
I mean I have an eclectic tastes

920
01:00:19,950 --> 01:00:22,950
but I'm open to everything and
it turns out that most people

921
01:00:22,950 --> 01:00:25,860
are no don't say oh, it's
horrible I would turn it up

922
01:00:26,340 --> 01:00:31,200
there's not there's not much of
that it's not a lot and but I

923
01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:35,430
also want her to have a good
experience because literally

924
01:00:35,430 --> 01:00:39,060
what Sam is saying she decided
to take a chance on value for

925
01:00:39,060 --> 01:00:45,420
value. So why don't we show her
that her chance pays off love it

926
01:00:45,450 --> 01:00:48,480
her taking a chance so if you're
listening live me you know

927
01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:53,400
you've got to use curio caster I
know that works for sure in the

928
01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:58,050
live experience. Otherwise we
now have we've got fountain

929
01:00:58,050 --> 01:01:03,540
we've got pod verse we've got
pod friend we've got curio

930
01:01:03,540 --> 01:01:09,060
caster you can do it directly
from the from split kit in fact

931
01:01:10,110 --> 01:01:12,660
after the fact go back and
listen to it and boost her

932
01:01:12,660 --> 01:01:16,140
because I really want her to
have a good experience and to

933
01:01:16,140 --> 01:01:19,680
give you guys something special
I'm and I'm hoping that this

934
01:01:19,770 --> 01:01:23,730
this podcast booster Graham ball
will be like almost like every

935
01:01:23,730 --> 01:01:26,850
other project I do where people
start to send in their own gene

936
01:01:26,850 --> 01:01:30,780
goals their own sound imaging
their own cool stuff so that we

937
01:01:30,780 --> 01:01:34,050
are making this together I did
put something together myself

938
01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:36,660
had a little bit of fun in the
studio oh really kind of like

939
01:01:36,870 --> 01:01:41,280
kind of like a show opener you
know just threw some stuff

940
01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:45,810
together and home I'll I'll turn
on her block right now so

941
01:01:45,810 --> 01:01:49,170
everyone can get ready for for
the block and we'll take this

942
01:01:49,170 --> 01:01:52,500
little break while we play this
song with my opener started off

943
01:02:00,239 --> 01:02:01,199
boosting is love

944
01:02:06,300 --> 01:02:09,960
that's how I want to start a
show so she dropped by the

945
01:02:09,960 --> 01:02:13,920
Bitcoin Park took a chance on
value for value let's let her

946
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:16,140
see what a good choice that was

947
01:02:31,500 --> 01:02:32,130
Unknown: on a mind

948
01:02:46,139 --> 01:02:46,739
Good

949
01:03:01,890 --> 01:03:17,400
day to the corner of the room
that you want us to have all

950
01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:24,930
given back to cry like a little
Boy.

951
01:04:58,139 --> 01:05:03,179
Adam Curry: Ainsley Costello,
the chair On top podcasting 2.0

952
01:05:04,139 --> 01:05:06,719
Dave Jones: What a song man
that's a rad song. I love it.

953
01:05:06,749 --> 01:05:08,489
Adam Curry: It's like a little
Taytay you know a little more

954
01:05:08,489 --> 01:05:11,939
rockin than Taylor Swift. Yeah,
I like that's a great

955
01:05:11,940 --> 01:05:15,390
Dave Jones: tune man. Yeah, it's
cool. It says she local to

956
01:05:15,420 --> 01:05:15,870
Nashville.

957
01:05:15,900 --> 01:05:18,960
Adam Curry: I think so. I don't
know. i This is the one thing

958
01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:22,350
I'd love from wavelength because
I'd love a little more info on

959
01:05:22,350 --> 01:05:24,510
each artist. You're linked to
her, but maybe there is I

960
01:05:24,510 --> 01:05:27,510
haven't just really looked for
it. But I'll need more info for

961
01:05:27,510 --> 01:05:30,000
and it's like I know what's
going to happen. People are

962
01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:32,760
gonna be sending me music from
all over the world. I know how

963
01:05:32,760 --> 01:05:35,400
this goes. Um, so what do you
think my opener by the way?

964
01:05:35,699 --> 01:05:40,649
Dave Jones: Oh, this kid's
great. Really good. Yeah. You

965
01:05:40,649 --> 01:05:43,079
did all that yourself. Like you
put it all together? Oh, yeah,

966
01:05:43,109 --> 01:05:46,019
we did you have to record
anything new or just use old

967
01:05:46,019 --> 01:05:46,979
clips? Yeah, no, I

968
01:05:46,979 --> 01:05:49,919
Adam Curry: did the in there.
You hear a boost to grandpa.

969
01:05:50,879 --> 01:05:53,759
Grandpa did that. Literally like
that?

970
01:05:54,449 --> 01:05:59,759
Dave Jones: Night? Like that
tune has a real Paramore early.

971
01:05:59,759 --> 01:06:01,079
Paramore. Oh,

972
01:06:01,110 --> 01:06:04,170
Adam Curry: S Yes. Oh, yeah.
Where they thought about

973
01:06:05,730 --> 01:06:08,580
Dave Jones: before they suck.
You did a great job on opener

974
01:06:08,580 --> 01:06:09,090
that's gonna keep

975
01:06:09,090 --> 01:06:11,490
Adam Curry: now this one. So I
have all kinds of things

976
01:06:11,490 --> 01:06:13,560
already, like tracks and SATs,
you know, all kinds of cool

977
01:06:13,560 --> 01:06:17,850
stuff I can say. Now, I didn't
mention this on the last show.

978
01:06:18,210 --> 01:06:22,560
But I have decided and this will
make it even more fun. It'd be

979
01:06:22,620 --> 01:06:25,860
this in a way plays into what
you were saying. But I really

980
01:06:25,860 --> 01:06:30,060
want to try this. I want to
release this on IPFS podcasting.

981
01:06:31,380 --> 01:06:34,470
Dave Jones: Okay, I'm trying to
put by the way, I'm working in

982
01:06:34,470 --> 01:06:39,930
the background to try to put
together some guests that we can

983
01:06:39,930 --> 01:06:44,790
talk about IPFS podcasting. And
so we can have like a roundtable

984
01:06:44,790 --> 01:06:49,980
on it, you know, and I've got
the own the weak link. No

985
01:06:49,980 --> 01:06:52,500
offense, Cameron, but the weak
link is Cameron because he lives

986
01:06:52,500 --> 01:06:56,280
in the middle of like, the
middle of the woods. Oh, yeah.

987
01:06:56,700 --> 01:06:57,870
He lives in the forest.

988
01:06:59,400 --> 01:07:01,230
Adam Curry: Thoughts. So he
lives

989
01:07:01,230 --> 01:07:05,490
Dave Jones: in a lane to in the
middle of the forest shanty? And

990
01:07:05,490 --> 01:07:07,470
he's just he just told me when I
contact him, he's like, he's

991
01:07:07,470 --> 01:07:10,830
like, Dude, my internet's so
bad. I'm not sure he's like,

992
01:07:10,830 --> 01:07:13,380
Well, you know, I gigabit
internet, Ethernet soon, but

993
01:07:13,380 --> 01:07:15,300
Adam Curry: I can bring him in
on the phone. I can do a phone

994
01:07:15,300 --> 01:07:15,750
link.

995
01:07:16,500 --> 01:07:17,970
Dave Jones: Oh, you can? Because
you get

996
01:07:19,170 --> 01:07:21,030
Adam Curry: on the road. Yeah, I
can just bring him in on the

997
01:07:21,030 --> 01:07:25,200
phone. Like, no problem. That'll
work. Okay, let's do it. I mean,

998
01:07:25,200 --> 01:07:27,720
I could probably even filter to
make it sound pretty reasonable

999
01:07:27,720 --> 01:07:33,270
if he's on these on, like a
modern phone. But a flip phone

1000
01:07:33,270 --> 01:07:36,000
will work. I don't care. Well,
whatever it is. Yeah, sure,

1001
01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:41,430
we'll do that. So IPFS 444, pod
IPFS podcasting. IPFS

1002
01:07:41,430 --> 01:07:48,540
podcasting.net. In essence, all
I do is I upload my my track,

1003
01:07:48,570 --> 01:07:51,360
well, I I have to create a feed
which will do with sovereign

1004
01:07:51,360 --> 01:07:54,270
feeds. And I still have to kind
of put the whole process

1005
01:07:54,270 --> 01:07:58,170
together in my head. But the
bottom line is that it will work

1006
01:07:58,170 --> 01:08:06,360
in all podcast apps. Then he set
it up now that if you pin a feed

1007
01:08:06,390 --> 01:08:12,840
and and hosts the cache the pain
I guess, the assets of that feed

1008
01:08:13,140 --> 01:08:20,640
them which I'm not saying this,
right, but if I add a split to

1009
01:08:20,640 --> 01:08:26,640
IPFS podcasting into my value
block, then whoever whenever i

1010
01:08:26,670 --> 01:08:30,270
Whenever a request comes into
IPFS podcasting.net I think it's

1011
01:08:30,510 --> 01:08:34,110
whoever at that point serve the
file maybe I'm not sure but

1012
01:08:34,110 --> 01:08:37,530
anyway, it gets split up episode
and that goes to the to the

1013
01:08:37,530 --> 01:08:43,560
people who are hosting the the
track itself. Okay, so

1014
01:08:44,550 --> 01:08:49,800
Dave Jones: there's a lot more
but I say there's there's a lot

1015
01:08:49,800 --> 01:08:56,490
more love and interest for IPFS
within people in podcasting than

1016
01:08:56,490 --> 01:09:00,240
I realized. And the more people
I talk to the more people are

1017
01:09:00,240 --> 01:09:04,050
like have an interest in trying
to get it to be functional. Yes,

1018
01:09:04,080 --> 01:09:07,740
Jay like Jason every podcast
guru, he's got BFS guy.

1019
01:09:08,970 --> 01:09:11,010
Adam Curry: So I want to be the
guinea pig I want to be the

1020
01:09:11,010 --> 01:09:15,780
canary I want to be I want to be
the thing that it'll be scissors

1021
01:09:15,810 --> 01:09:18,450
you know we'll be running with
scissors as always, but I think

1022
01:09:18,450 --> 01:09:19,230
why not am

1023
01:09:19,229 --> 01:09:21,239
Dave Jones: over as your SAM
over pod fans. He'll

1024
01:09:21,240 --> 01:09:24,480
Adam Curry: do it. Boy by the
way. I forgot I forgot to

1025
01:09:24,480 --> 01:09:28,170
mention pod fans. Every single
piece that we do is implemented

1026
01:09:28,170 --> 01:09:32,070
on pod fans. I am convinced Sam
will want to be a part of this

1027
01:09:32,100 --> 01:09:37,620
with the IPFS part. Oh for sure.
So I'm super super excited. I

1028
01:09:37,620 --> 01:09:43,260
said I had dreams about this.
Dreams. And and there will be

1029
01:09:43,260 --> 01:09:46,710
more shows there's more shows
coming with guys getting ready

1030
01:09:46,710 --> 01:09:50,190
and there's music being uploaded
Suzanne Santo is coming next

1031
01:09:50,190 --> 01:09:57,180
week. Suzanne Santo she's a
she's a she's an actress kind of

1032
01:09:57,180 --> 01:09:59,970
turned musician. She has a
record deal but she you know she

1033
01:10:00,240 --> 01:10:04,530
She hates what it's become.
She's a she's a have like a very

1034
01:10:04,530 --> 01:10:09,630
beautiful kind of folksy singer
who plays a badass strat. I

1035
01:10:09,630 --> 01:10:13,560
mean, I've heard her do solos
unbelievable and she and right

1036
01:10:13,560 --> 01:10:18,360
now she's think she's six months
pregnant and we went to see her

1037
01:10:18,360 --> 01:10:20,640
do a gig and she had she

1038
01:10:21,870 --> 01:10:24,210
Dave Jones: just burnt she was
wearing out the fretboard with a

1039
01:10:24,240 --> 01:10:25,980
with a with a baby in the oven.
Yeah

1040
01:10:26,010 --> 01:10:27,990
Adam Curry: baby in the oven and
she had her sneakers on

1041
01:10:27,990 --> 01:10:32,940
underneath her hot hot black
dress. Nice and her husband Nick

1042
01:10:32,940 --> 01:10:38,040
he is the guy who created
produced wrote two detectives

1043
01:10:38,550 --> 01:10:43,050
you know the the the Netflix
series that was a huge hit the

1044
01:10:43,050 --> 01:10:46,020
one that did it True Detective
to detect the other one with

1045
01:10:46,020 --> 01:10:51,240
Woody Harrelson and, yeah, okay,
so, so and they're just they

1046
01:10:51,240 --> 01:10:54,870
moved to Austin, they they
escaped California. And so I've

1047
01:10:54,870 --> 01:10:57,600
been talking to her about this,
and she really wants to get

1048
01:10:57,600 --> 01:11:01,770
involved, she wants to release
some music value for value. You

1049
01:11:01,770 --> 01:11:04,650
know, so in that case, I mean,
they just come in to hang out

1050
01:11:04,650 --> 01:11:07,170
but I really want to give her a
little walkthrough. I'm

1051
01:11:07,710 --> 01:11:10,200
convinced that she will write
some music that will be

1052
01:11:10,200 --> 01:11:13,440
specifically for for value for
value, just you know, just to

1053
01:11:13,440 --> 01:11:16,770
get people going, you know, get
some get some names and show

1054
01:11:16,770 --> 01:11:19,500
that cuz you know, she made this
is like, I got a, a million

1055
01:11:19,500 --> 01:11:22,560
streams, I got 80 bucks or
something simple, it's

1056
01:11:22,560 --> 01:11:27,240
insulting. It's insulting. She
says she really has to do gigs

1057
01:11:27,240 --> 01:11:30,780
to make any money on it. And she
just likes doing it because she

1058
01:11:30,780 --> 01:11:35,220
likes doing it. But she wants
value. And it's not a it's not

1059
01:11:35,220 --> 01:11:41,040
about how much money it is. It's
about just a faceless, you know,

1060
01:11:41,160 --> 01:11:46,620
dashboard from from Spotify, you
know, it's not not the same

1061
01:11:46,620 --> 01:11:48,120
thing as getting a boost to
Graham.

1062
01:11:48,570 --> 01:11:51,720
Dave Jones: But this goes back
to my depressing PowerPoint is

1063
01:11:51,720 --> 01:11:55,170
there we have to be the we've
we've we're here with with a

1064
01:11:55,170 --> 01:11:58,680
catcher's mitt, we're catching,
we're catching it. Everybody who

1065
01:11:58,680 --> 01:12:01,620
exits the technological system
we're catching, we're

1066
01:12:01,620 --> 01:12:04,350
Adam Curry: catching, oh, we got
you. We got you know, we got we

1067
01:12:04,350 --> 01:12:04,770
got you.

1068
01:12:05,250 --> 01:12:07,560
Dave Jones: We just set them
down gently on the bed of

1069
01:12:07,710 --> 01:12:08,790
podcasting. 2.0.

1070
01:12:08,820 --> 01:12:12,210
Adam Curry: So when I hear this
stuff, I just get so excited. I

1071
01:12:12,210 --> 01:12:16,650
just like, oh, this is so cool.
I like it. I like it and, and

1072
01:12:16,650 --> 01:12:21,030
going back to the to my opening
statement that the strike is

1073
01:12:21,030 --> 01:12:26,370
really going to open up so many
opportunities for people for

1074
01:12:26,370 --> 01:12:29,370
frustrated. It's all it's radio
and television artists to you

1075
01:12:29,370 --> 01:12:32,130
know, it's not just as
podcasters is all kinds of

1076
01:12:32,130 --> 01:12:37,800
people who are affected by the
strike. And and I think that you

1077
01:12:37,800 --> 01:12:40,410
know, late night television is
over, they're done. It's you

1078
01:12:40,410 --> 01:12:43,200
know, that's been off air for
two months, people have already

1079
01:12:43,200 --> 01:12:45,810
changed their behaviors they're
looking at, they're looking at

1080
01:12:45,810 --> 01:12:48,570
tick tock before they go to
sleep for their for their little

1081
01:12:48,570 --> 01:12:51,060
laugh their little hit, I don't
think that will ever come back.

1082
01:12:51,060 --> 01:12:53,760
It was always already pretty
dead. You know, the numbers just

1083
01:12:53,760 --> 01:12:58,140
really aren't there. And I think
people are very easy to switch

1084
01:12:58,170 --> 01:13:01,080
and they get used to stuff and
they hear something that is new

1085
01:13:01,080 --> 01:13:05,610
and fresh. And they hear
podcasts. And luckily, we have a

1086
01:13:05,610 --> 01:13:09,540
much less crowded market right
now. There's not as much new

1087
01:13:09,540 --> 01:13:13,290
stuff being shoved in your face
because the podcast industrial

1088
01:13:13,290 --> 01:13:18,930
complex is sadly not really
working out too well. For them,

1089
01:13:19,140 --> 01:13:22,530
for them. I'm not dancing on
anybody's grave or anything. But

1090
01:13:22,590 --> 01:13:26,010
you know, it's just really not
working. I was funny. I got I

1091
01:13:26,010 --> 01:13:28,740
got a pitch from Google
podcasts, which was a new one a

1092
01:13:28,740 --> 01:13:29,460
new pitch.

1093
01:13:29,970 --> 01:13:33,360
Dave Jones: What Yeah, I mean,
for for what for no agenda, or

1094
01:13:34,950 --> 01:13:38,190
Adam Curry: it was not even
clear. For what show this

1095
01:13:38,190 --> 01:13:41,400
probably from no agenda. And I
can share some of this because I

1096
01:13:41,400 --> 01:13:44,820
wound up signing an NDA, just to
find by wanting to go one step

1097
01:13:44,820 --> 01:13:47,280
further to find out what it was,
oh,

1098
01:13:47,309 --> 01:13:49,169
Dave Jones: what they're really
doing well, well, the

1099
01:13:49,170 --> 01:13:52,560
Adam Curry: NDA was really like
the most vanilla. So it's not

1100
01:13:52,560 --> 01:13:57,180
from the from YouTube
themselves. But it's from a guy.

1101
01:13:57,420 --> 01:13:59,940
I won't name isn't it? We'll
just call him Pete.

1102
01:14:01,109 --> 01:14:03,209
Dave Jones: Who was a paid from
YouTube?

1103
01:14:03,540 --> 01:14:07,950
Adam Curry: That yes, Pete from
YouTube in London. And I believe

1104
01:14:07,950 --> 01:14:14,340
because he found my name and
email address in a EC two, which

1105
01:14:14,340 --> 01:14:16,860
is, you know, I think was
shortage where I had an office.

1106
01:14:16,920 --> 01:14:21,210
So he somehow thinks I'm a UK
based podcaster God forbid, you

1107
01:14:21,210 --> 01:14:24,990
know, he researched me right?
That would be stupid. So he's a

1108
01:14:24,990 --> 01:14:29,580
strategic partner, manager,
YouTube, Google, LLC, London,

1109
01:14:29,580 --> 01:14:33,300
UK. And he sent this through
different avenues including

1110
01:14:33,300 --> 01:14:41,550
LinkedIn. And, and, and so you
know, it's Hello. That's it.

1111
01:14:41,580 --> 01:14:46,350
Hope this is. At first I'm like,
this is bullcrap. But you know,

1112
01:14:47,100 --> 01:14:51,930
the, it's poorly written. It's
really It's so poor what Google

1113
01:14:51,930 --> 01:14:54,600
is doing because this is not
really a person who works

1114
01:14:54,600 --> 01:14:58,320
directly from YouTube but they
have consultants or strategic

1115
01:14:58,320 --> 01:15:02,160
partner manager with Ever that
means so Pete says, Hello. Hope

1116
01:15:02,160 --> 01:15:05,130
this email finds you. Well, my
name is Pete. But I work on a

1117
01:15:05,130 --> 01:15:08,040
team at YouTube that helps
podcasters launch and grow on

1118
01:15:08,040 --> 01:15:11,100
the platform. I'm reaching out
to you as I'd love to share the

1119
01:15:11,100 --> 01:15:14,880
details of a grant, we'd like to
offer you to help ramp you up on

1120
01:15:14,880 --> 01:15:19,050
YouTube along with an X with an
access to our RSS. So right

1121
01:15:19,050 --> 01:15:23,160
there, I'm like an access to our
RSS. I don't know what you're

1122
01:15:23,160 --> 01:15:25,590
talking about. What does that
even mean? To go through the

1123
01:15:25,590 --> 01:15:29,310
details? I will need to send you
over an NDA that will one prove

1124
01:15:29,310 --> 01:15:32,640
you're talking to Google and
engage each other to keep

1125
01:15:32,640 --> 01:15:35,820
confidential the information you
and I will be sharing. Would

1126
01:15:35,820 --> 01:15:39,570
that work? If so can you confirm
the name of the signatory and

1127
01:15:39,600 --> 01:15:43,200
email address for the NDA? If
there's any doubt in my on my

1128
01:15:43,200 --> 01:15:46,680
identity, you can check my
LinkedIn profile, see that my

1129
01:15:46,680 --> 01:15:49,710
email address domain is
google.com, which is not

1130
01:15:49,710 --> 01:15:52,950
falsifiable. Looking forward to
hearing back from you. Thanks.

1131
01:15:52,950 --> 01:15:54,060
Best regards, Pete.

1132
01:15:54,540 --> 01:15:56,430
Dave Jones: Wow. Sounds a lot.

1133
01:15:56,670 --> 01:15:59,400
Adam Curry: Yeah. All right.
Well, I'm interested now because

1134
01:15:59,400 --> 01:16:02,640
I keep for a week now I'm
hearing Cridland talk about

1135
01:16:02,790 --> 01:16:05,580
YouTube launching podcasts in
other countries like this is

1136
01:16:05,580 --> 01:16:08,910
part of it, or what is it and
it's poorly written? The English

1137
01:16:08,910 --> 01:16:12,840
is not great. And like, what is
they doing? So okay, but I don't

1138
01:16:12,840 --> 01:16:16,380
answer right away. Because I had
to think about it and like, Oh,

1139
01:16:16,380 --> 01:16:18,960
whatever. And I got busy. And
then I get another email. Hello.

1140
01:16:19,680 --> 01:16:22,920
Following up on my previous
email, I'm happy to have a first

1141
01:16:22,920 --> 01:16:26,220
call before sending the NDA. We
are not asking for exclusivity.

1142
01:16:26,370 --> 01:16:30,120
We have an RSS feature, I can
give you access to it. We're

1143
01:16:30,120 --> 01:16:32,760
happy to give you give a special
grant. There it is, again,

1144
01:16:33,150 --> 01:16:36,240
because feedback is a gift if
you're not interested. I would

1145
01:16:36,240 --> 01:16:39,630
and I would like to understand
why we can give you a grant

1146
01:16:39,660 --> 01:16:42,780
YouTube has a huge audience and
revenue incremental opportunity.

1147
01:16:42,780 --> 01:16:45,960
I'm happy to share your thoughts
with the podcast team. Thanks.

1148
01:16:45,960 --> 01:16:47,100
Best regards, Pete.

1149
01:16:47,520 --> 01:16:51,510
Dave Jones: So that's, that's
three occurrences of we're gonna

1150
01:16:51,510 --> 01:16:54,630
give you a grant. Yeah, really,
really hammering that one home,

1151
01:16:54,630 --> 01:17:00,750
Adam Curry: right. So I say,
Well, you know, I'm kind of

1152
01:17:00,750 --> 01:17:03,990
interested in this grant. You're
talking about pi Adam, thank you

1153
01:17:03,990 --> 01:17:07,110
for your answer. But I'll need
to send you an NDA to provide

1154
01:17:07,110 --> 01:17:09,330
you with all the details.
However, let me provide you with

1155
01:17:09,330 --> 01:17:12,630
some context. While YouTube is
probably my primarily known as a

1156
01:17:12,630 --> 01:17:15,690
video first platform, we've
observed a growing interest in

1157
01:17:15,690 --> 01:17:19,230
podcast and recognize the
immense potential for podcasters

1158
01:17:19,230 --> 01:17:22,320
to reach a wider audience,
generate revenue, and even

1159
01:17:22,320 --> 01:17:24,960
create a more immersive
experience by incorporating

1160
01:17:24,960 --> 01:17:28,800
video into their podcast
episodes. To further develop you

1161
01:17:28,830 --> 01:17:32,280
YouTube podcasts in the UK, we
are actively seeking to enhance

1162
01:17:32,280 --> 01:17:35,580
our catalogue, with the highest
quality podcasts available in

1163
01:17:35,580 --> 01:17:38,670
the market. Oh, here it is such
as no agenda. We are not

1164
01:17:38,670 --> 01:17:42,090
requesting exclusivity, but
rather aiming for content parity

1165
01:17:42,090 --> 01:17:45,960
with other platforms. Our
ultimate goal is not to redirect

1166
01:17:45,960 --> 01:17:49,290
audiences from other platforms
to YouTube. Listen, this again,

1167
01:17:49,470 --> 01:17:53,490
our ultimate goal is not to
redirect audiences from other

1168
01:17:53,490 --> 01:17:57,300
platforms to YouTube. But to
offer you increased reach and

1169
01:17:57,300 --> 01:18:00,600
exposure through exposure
through YouTube as a versatile

1170
01:18:00,600 --> 01:18:04,770
platform, podcast music and
videos with 2 billion users

1171
01:18:04,770 --> 01:18:08,070
every month, we understand that
uploading content to another

1172
01:18:08,070 --> 01:18:11,010
platform can present challenges,
which is why we are prepared to

1173
01:18:11,010 --> 01:18:15,900
offer you a grant and provide
access to our RSS feature. This

1174
01:18:15,900 --> 01:18:19,500
is intended to facilitate the
content upload process and offer

1175
01:18:19,500 --> 01:18:22,680
additional support. To go
further, I kindly request you to

1176
01:18:22,680 --> 01:18:25,800
sign the NDA. Once that is
complete, we can schedule a call

1177
01:18:25,800 --> 01:18:30,870
to discuss further opportunity.
So I get the NDA. And the NDA

1178
01:18:30,870 --> 01:18:33,900
basically says anything you
already knew before we were

1179
01:18:33,900 --> 01:18:37,980
talking before this NDA was
signed, is fair game. So hence

1180
01:18:37,980 --> 01:18:43,860
all the emails I was happy to
read. I can tell you that the

1181
01:18:43,860 --> 01:18:47,340
grant talk kind of wasn't the
first thing that we wanted to

1182
01:18:47,340 --> 01:18:48,060
talk about.

1183
01:18:49,050 --> 01:18:52,080
Dave Jones: Okay, wait, let me
let me let me let me ask you,

1184
01:18:52,230 --> 01:18:56,160
did you talk to him? Invite him
on the phone like no person? No.

1185
01:18:56,189 --> 01:18:58,529
Adam Curry: Because he said, I
signed the NDA. I was like,

1186
01:18:58,529 --> 01:19:02,399
Okay, let's have a call said no.
Tell me about the grant. And

1187
01:19:03,029 --> 01:19:06,029
these guys, they don't know what
they're doing. They don't give a

1188
01:19:06,029 --> 01:19:12,959
crap about podcasting. I can say
this. That, you know, that I

1189
01:19:12,959 --> 01:19:16,559
believe it is their mission. It
was not explicitly said, but I

1190
01:19:16,559 --> 01:19:20,279
believe it is their mission to
just get everybody to do video.

1191
01:19:20,789 --> 01:19:24,479
And I think you can get a grant
if you want to go down that

1192
01:19:24,479 --> 01:19:26,789
route. But I did not have any
discussion with him further

1193
01:19:26,789 --> 01:19:29,969
about it. And then I said I'm
not interested. And he said,

1194
01:19:29,969 --> 01:19:33,539
wow, okay, well, would you tell
me why and I told him why

1195
01:19:34,110 --> 01:19:36,450
Dave Jones: value for value. Did
you talk about vase? No,

1196
01:19:36,450 --> 01:19:41,550
Adam Curry: I said you're a
sinkhole. You know, you just I

1197
01:19:41,550 --> 01:19:42,990
think I have my answer here.

1198
01:19:44,430 --> 01:19:48,690
Dave Jones: You can we Is this
where the exit interview? Why

1199
01:19:48,720 --> 01:19:51,900
Why would you not like to have
our grant? Because you're a

1200
01:19:51,900 --> 01:19:52,740
saint. Oh, no.

1201
01:19:52,770 --> 01:19:55,560
Adam Curry: No, though. The
grant the grant was really not

1202
01:19:55,560 --> 01:19:59,310
the grant. Wasn't I can just
tell you the grant was like, You

1203
01:19:59,310 --> 01:20:02,580
know what? not buying content
knob, you know, in certain

1204
01:20:02,580 --> 01:20:07,740
circumstances, blah, blah, blah,
blah, blah. So that kind of went

1205
01:20:07,740 --> 01:20:12,900
away because of how I felt it.
But I can read you what I wrote.

1206
01:20:14,040 --> 01:20:19,290
The reason why, let me see hold
on is that my sent emails here

1207
01:20:21,900 --> 01:20:29,670
we go. Podcasts are meant to be
distributed via an RSS feed that

1208
01:20:29,670 --> 01:20:33,090
the players apps, websites, etc,
are to consider the source of

1209
01:20:33,090 --> 01:20:37,110
truth. When a show is added gets
added downstream. The opposite

1210
01:20:37,110 --> 01:20:40,440
is also true. This is not how
Google operates their podcast

1211
01:20:40,440 --> 01:20:44,010
offering in quotes, you're
asking podcasters in effect to

1212
01:20:44,010 --> 01:20:46,980
abandon that system. Google has
a horrible reputation when it

1213
01:20:46,980 --> 01:20:49,740
comes to respecting and
supporting RSS feed. See, Google

1214
01:20:49,740 --> 01:20:54,330
Reader admits this. Google is
calling these non RSS feed day

1215
01:20:54,330 --> 01:20:57,540
shows podcast which they are not
since that specifically means

1216
01:20:57,570 --> 01:21:01,500
RSS based distribution. In my
opinion, this is a hijack of the

1217
01:21:01,500 --> 01:21:04,920
term podcast at best and a
disingenuous use of the term to

1218
01:21:04,920 --> 01:21:08,520
build up a competency on the
backs of 1000s of developers and

1219
01:21:08,520 --> 01:21:11,520
content creators over a span of
20 years. It's not a good look,

1220
01:21:12,000 --> 01:21:15,000
I cannot support Google calling
as offering podcasts then will

1221
01:21:15,000 --> 01:21:19,320
in fact, speak out against it.
And, and then he's like,

1222
01:21:19,500 --> 01:21:21,900
Dave Jones: Did you follow that
up by saying, Oh, can we talk

1223
01:21:21,900 --> 01:21:22,680
about the grants?

1224
01:21:26,189 --> 01:21:28,559
Adam Curry: And then he said no,
because he had asked me to share

1225
01:21:28,559 --> 01:21:31,289
why. And then you know, he comes
back says I think there's a

1226
01:21:31,289 --> 01:21:34,049
misunderstanding around our
intention. That's a shame. But

1227
01:21:34,049 --> 01:21:37,379
thank you for taking the time to
share the feedback. You know,

1228
01:21:37,379 --> 01:21:39,569
the whole discussion, which I
didn't discuss anything we

1229
01:21:39,569 --> 01:21:42,479
discussed, this confidential
guys, great, have a great day.

1230
01:21:42,479 --> 01:21:44,429
And I said it'd be equally
helpful if you explained my

1231
01:21:44,429 --> 01:21:47,399
misunderstandings. What did I
misunderstand about your

1232
01:21:47,399 --> 01:21:52,289
offering? And he never answered?
No, of course not.

1233
01:21:52,710 --> 01:21:55,050
Dave Jones: That's stunning. I'm
surprised that he never answered

1234
01:21:55,050 --> 01:22:01,410
that. This. So this is this
sounds like this is just me,

1235
01:22:01,410 --> 01:22:07,560
this is me. This is me talking.
You have not talked to me about

1236
01:22:07,560 --> 01:22:13,410
any of this. No, this sounds
like just an extension or a

1237
01:22:13,410 --> 01:22:16,740
redirection of the same thing
that they were doing before,

1238
01:22:17,280 --> 01:22:21,180
which was they had a grant
program, where they were

1239
01:22:21,180 --> 01:22:24,570
supposed to supposedly going to
give popular podcasts like

1240
01:22:24,570 --> 01:22:28,200
$50,000 to start or something
like that dangerous,

1241
01:22:28,200 --> 01:22:31,470
Adam Curry: the number of video
interesting number to start

1242
01:22:31,470 --> 01:22:31,740
doing

1243
01:22:31,740 --> 01:22:34,920
Dave Jones: videos. So I'm
assuming that that that that

1244
01:22:34,920 --> 01:22:39,690
program just became this
program. And it's basically the

1245
01:22:39,690 --> 01:22:41,400
same thing. That's an
interesting

1246
01:22:41,400 --> 01:22:43,980
Adam Curry: assumption, which I
cannot talk about. But I think

1247
01:22:43,980 --> 01:22:47,130
that assumption is definitely
interesting as an idea.

1248
01:22:48,030 --> 01:22:51,780
Dave Jones: Right. So this this
is I've got an ISO for this. Oh.

1249
01:22:52,380 --> 01:22:53,130
So that's why

1250
01:22:53,130 --> 01:23:01,380
Adam Curry: I'm excited. Yeah.
Yeah, so I'm excited. And I

1251
01:23:01,380 --> 01:23:04,470
would just like to remind us
that calling this podcast is

1252
01:23:04,470 --> 01:23:08,520
just lame, it's not Google
podcast, they're not launching

1253
01:23:08,520 --> 01:23:12,900
podcasting anywhere. If I am,
and this is one thing we need to

1254
01:23:12,900 --> 01:23:16,740
discuss, if I add something to
my feed, it needs to be added

1255
01:23:16,740 --> 01:23:20,880
everywhere. The the converse is
true. And we need to talk about

1256
01:23:20,880 --> 01:23:25,620
that, because we had an issue
that was confusing to me. If

1257
01:23:25,650 --> 01:23:28,830
someone takes something out of
their feed, or changes,

1258
01:23:28,830 --> 01:23:32,700
something that also needs to be
reflected downstream, this is

1259
01:23:32,700 --> 01:23:37,500
actually a problem for us.
Because we don't necessarily

1260
01:23:37,500 --> 01:23:39,930
rescan the entire feed.

1261
01:23:42,330 --> 01:23:47,550
Dave Jones: So I have a lot of,
there's a lot of his law here,

1262
01:23:47,610 --> 01:23:49,350
Adam Curry: let me let me let me
give the makeup of the

1263
01:23:49,350 --> 01:23:51,900
background so people understand
what happened. There was a hair

1264
01:23:51,900 --> 01:23:55,920
on fire moment, like, oh my god,
someone's getting sued if this

1265
01:23:56,070 --> 01:23:59,580
still available on the index,
and we have to get rid of it and

1266
01:23:59,580 --> 01:24:02,130
as has to be taken out. You
gotta do it. This is what

1267
01:24:02,130 --> 01:24:08,310
creators want. And, and I
actually misunderstood initially

1268
01:24:08,310 --> 01:24:15,090
thinking what so someone's
deleted something and I mean, do

1269
01:24:15,090 --> 01:24:18,660
they delete in their feed, it
wasn't even clear to me. And, of

1270
01:24:18,660 --> 01:24:25,290
course, for sure, it'll take any
any platform or any index, some

1271
01:24:25,290 --> 01:24:30,600
time to reflect any changes that
are made. But there's ways to

1272
01:24:30,600 --> 01:24:33,930
trigger that and there's,
there's, there's assumptions

1273
01:24:33,930 --> 01:24:38,400
people have. So I know that by
the way, when I screw something

1274
01:24:38,400 --> 01:24:44,640
up in my feed, it's bad. Me or
the I screwed up. I screwed up a

1275
01:24:44,640 --> 01:24:49,710
good and I didn't I didn't know
what happened. The end it just

1276
01:24:51,030 --> 01:24:53,940
and thank God, you know, lots of
people jumped in and said, Hey,

1277
01:24:53,970 --> 01:24:56,880
you screwed this up. And you
know, Stephen has now made that

1278
01:24:56,880 --> 01:25:00,120
a little bit more foolproof and
sovereign feeds but And

1279
01:25:00,990 --> 01:25:05,040
eventually when I when I fix
things properly in the right way

1280
01:25:05,040 --> 01:25:10,260
and a GUID is one way, surefire
way to do it, things do shake

1281
01:25:10,260 --> 01:25:13,440
out down the line, but it takes
several days. And it's my fault.

1282
01:25:13,560 --> 01:25:17,760
And it's my problem. But the way
this was presented was like,

1283
01:25:17,760 --> 01:25:21,360
Well, you know, podcast index is
no good, you've got to do this,

1284
01:25:21,360 --> 01:25:23,670
you've got to do what creators
want. I'm like, hold on a

1285
01:25:23,670 --> 01:25:26,100
second. Take it away.

1286
01:25:27,359 --> 01:25:35,639
Dave Jones: The the reason that
we don't do this in real time.

1287
01:25:37,499 --> 01:25:42,119
What I mean by so what I mean by
is like, somebody publishes an

1288
01:25:42,119 --> 01:25:46,019
episode in their feed. And then
let's say a week later, they

1289
01:25:46,019 --> 01:25:49,949
delete that episode from their
feed. Why does it still show up

1290
01:25:49,949 --> 01:25:56,789
in the podcast index for days or
weeks afterwards. But the reason

1291
01:25:56,789 --> 01:26:02,309
we don't do this in real time is
because it is. It is expensive

1292
01:26:02,309 --> 01:26:07,349
from a performance standpoint,
on a database. The episodes

1293
01:26:07,349 --> 01:26:10,409
table is the most active
database is the most active

1294
01:26:10,409 --> 01:26:14,399
table in the entire database. It
has about a row at any one given

1295
01:26:14,399 --> 01:26:19,859
time, it's got about 120 million
rows in it. If you when you do a

1296
01:26:19,859 --> 01:26:26,459
delete when you issue a delete a
sequel Delete on a table it

1297
01:26:26,459 --> 01:26:29,759
temporarily locks the table
because it can't allow any

1298
01:26:29,759 --> 01:26:33,329
changes to happen in the table
until the Delete is finished and

1299
01:26:33,329 --> 01:26:37,619
locks the whole table. Yes,
delete is an atomic operation

1300
01:26:37,739 --> 01:26:42,809
meaning Yes, it is it is a
touch, which sounds like a

1301
01:26:42,809 --> 01:26:47,189
Beastie Boys song, atomic
operation that that must

1302
01:26:47,189 --> 01:26:52,349
complete before anything else
can can then proceed. Because

1303
01:26:52,379 --> 01:26:56,009
otherwise you could you could
potentially be updating a record

1304
01:26:56,009 --> 01:26:59,279
that deletes right out from
under you. You could be halfway

1305
01:26:59,279 --> 01:27:02,489
finished updating a title and an
episode and then the episode

1306
01:27:02,879 --> 01:27:09,959
just disappears. So deletes are
always atomic. So you have to so

1307
01:27:09,989 --> 01:27:14,699
it it temporarily locks the
table from rights in order to

1308
01:27:14,699 --> 01:27:20,459
complete the Delete. Well, that
means if you do it in what we

1309
01:27:20,459 --> 01:27:26,129
have is not we have nine
aggregators. We have nine

1310
01:27:26,129 --> 01:27:32,549
aggregators that are doing about
about 2000 fields per minute of

1311
01:27:32,549 --> 01:27:40,079
scanning that is a lot of
deletes. And so, if we you can

1312
01:27:40,079 --> 01:27:43,499
see it happen if I enable if I
enable this functionality, which

1313
01:27:43,499 --> 01:27:47,459
the code is there, if I enable
it, what you will see is the

1314
01:27:47,459 --> 01:27:52,049
aggregators are chugging along,
and then once every minute or so

1315
01:27:52,439 --> 01:27:55,379
everything stops and ask your
question. Yes,

1316
01:27:55,410 --> 01:28:01,470
Adam Curry: when I reset a feed
or I'm sorry, rescan a feed does

1317
01:28:01,470 --> 01:28:05,940
that. What does that create? If
episodes are missing, do those

1318
01:28:05,940 --> 01:28:08,520
then have to be deleted from the
episode table?

1319
01:28:09,990 --> 01:28:13,710
Dave Jones: It when you rescan a
feed the first thing it does is

1320
01:28:13,710 --> 01:28:17,730
removes all the episodes. Not
recently when you when you reset

1321
01:28:17,730 --> 01:28:18,150
a feed,

1322
01:28:18,750 --> 01:28:20,970
Adam Curry: rescan. I just want
to understand the difference

1323
01:28:20,970 --> 01:28:25,020
between rescan reset so rescan,
it just looks for something new

1324
01:28:25,020 --> 01:28:28,770
and refreshes it's not not going
back in time and looking at

1325
01:28:28,770 --> 01:28:31,050
everything or is it? No, it's
not.

1326
01:28:31,170 --> 01:28:34,410
Dave Jones: That's a reset. The
reset says look at every just

1327
01:28:34,410 --> 01:28:37,260
basically put it exactly back to
the way it is in the feed right

1328
01:28:37,260 --> 01:28:37,650
now.

1329
01:28:37,679 --> 01:28:40,829
Adam Curry: So that does require
deletes, it deletes everything

1330
01:28:40,829 --> 01:28:44,549
at that moment, and thus locks
the date of the episode table.

1331
01:28:45,299 --> 01:28:47,789
Yes. Wow. If I'm powerful.

1332
01:28:51,780 --> 01:28:55,290
Dave Jones: Yeah, so like, if
you were, if you were to go in

1333
01:28:55,290 --> 01:29:04,260
there, and let's say let's say
that there's a podcast with 2500

1334
01:29:04,260 --> 01:29:09,570
episodes in it. There's plenty
of those out there. Sure. If you

1335
01:29:09,570 --> 01:29:16,170
issue a, a feed reset on that.
It's gonna look to the episodes

1336
01:29:16,170 --> 01:29:22,440
table for maybe 1520 seconds.
Wow. Which

1337
01:29:22,470 --> 01:29:25,350
Adam Curry: is quite a lot.
Quite a long time actually.

1338
01:29:26,280 --> 01:29:28,980
Dave Jones: And so it's more
it's more pronounced than you

1339
01:29:28,980 --> 01:29:33,270
think. Because what happened?
Let's take you take no agenda

1340
01:29:33,270 --> 01:29:36,360
for example, you keep was it 10
episodes and feed it anytime?

1341
01:29:36,780 --> 01:29:40,020
Adam Curry: No, it's much more
now ever since the whole

1342
01:29:40,020 --> 01:29:43,200
goodness. I'm afraid to even
look how many I have a lot. I

1343
01:29:43,200 --> 01:29:47,640
should probably prune that
sucker or paginate or paginate.

1344
01:29:47,640 --> 01:29:48,660
I don't know I gotta do
something.

1345
01:29:48,689 --> 01:29:49,409
Dave Jones: Don't do that.

1346
01:29:50,040 --> 01:29:51,600
Adam Curry: Oh, I'm not doing
anything. I'm not

1347
01:29:51,960 --> 01:29:55,140
Dave Jones: touching it. So but
there's plenty of feeds out

1348
01:29:55,140 --> 01:29:59,010
there and you used to be one of
these where whenever you add a

1349
01:29:59,010 --> 01:30:03,330
new episode You pull off the old
get to row run correct window of

1350
01:30:03,330 --> 01:30:09,090
episodes, yes, there's many of
those. So when that happens,

1351
01:30:09,360 --> 01:30:13,770
there's so many of those feeds
that do that. We're locking the

1352
01:30:13,770 --> 01:30:19,530
table all the time. So what,
what I've done, I've had various

1353
01:30:19,530 --> 01:30:21,420
ways of trying to solve this
problem.

1354
01:30:23,970 --> 01:30:26,220
Adam Curry: 40 by 140 in there
now, by the way,

1355
01:30:26,760 --> 01:30:32,160
Dave Jones: for 40 episodes. So
I've solved this problem various

1356
01:30:32,160 --> 01:30:35,190
times in the past using
different methods. And the, the

1357
01:30:35,190 --> 01:30:42,330
thing that works the best from a
performance standpoint for me is

1358
01:30:42,930 --> 01:30:48,300
that every time a feed updates
it looks at, it looks at the

1359
01:30:48,330 --> 01:30:52,740
oldest episode, pub date and the
newest episode pub date. And

1360
01:30:52,740 --> 01:30:57,540
then we have a cron job that
comes along periodically, and

1361
01:30:57,540 --> 01:31:01,110
prunes everything, all the
episodes older than the oldest

1362
01:31:01,110 --> 01:31:04,890
pub date that exists in the
feed. And it's just a lazy

1363
01:31:04,890 --> 01:31:09,600
process that happens. And it's
very lightweight and does not

1364
01:31:09,600 --> 01:31:14,400
hit the database hard. It means
that that process can take a

1365
01:31:14,400 --> 01:31:21,570
while, like, so compare our
compare our hosting and

1366
01:31:21,570 --> 01:31:25,470
budgetary constraints. So we
have we roughly spend roughly

1367
01:31:25,470 --> 01:31:31,500
right now about $620 a month on
hosting fees for virtual

1368
01:31:31,500 --> 01:31:38,190
machines. Let's compare that to
mark overcast, who spends 5000

1369
01:31:38,190 --> 01:31:43,380
plus dollars a month. Yeah,
right. He has. He agreed. He

1370
01:31:43,380 --> 01:31:46,410
said one time recently that he
aggregates roughly a million

1371
01:31:46,410 --> 01:31:51,090
feeds, we aggregate over 4
million. Yeah, so you can see

1372
01:31:51,090 --> 01:31:54,600
the difference there, you can
overcome this problem with sheer

1373
01:31:54,600 --> 01:32:01,410
horsepower. And money. We don't
have that. So we have to be wise

1374
01:32:01,410 --> 01:32:05,160
about about the way that we
allocate the things that we do.

1375
01:32:05,730 --> 01:32:14,100
So what the standpoint I've
always taken is, if that we're

1376
01:32:14,100 --> 01:32:17,250
going to do this lazy process,
whatever that process is, we're

1377
01:32:17,250 --> 01:32:19,890
going to do this lazy, sort of,
you could call it like a

1378
01:32:19,890 --> 01:32:23,190
sweeper, you know, it comes
along after the fact and cleans

1379
01:32:23,190 --> 01:32:29,640
up the mess. We're gonna do this
sweeper, and 99% of the time,

1380
01:32:29,640 --> 01:32:34,920
that's fine. There's going to be
1% of the time or less, where

1381
01:32:35,220 --> 01:32:37,650
somebody is really concerned
about something and wants

1382
01:32:37,650 --> 01:32:40,170
something taken down
immediately. Right. In those

1383
01:32:40,170 --> 01:32:43,740
cases, they've always just
emailed us. Yeah, we've we've

1384
01:32:43,740 --> 01:32:47,310
done a feed reset, right. And
it's really not a problem. And

1385
01:32:47,310 --> 01:32:49,770
that's the only reason that I
brought up the archive.org thing

1386
01:32:49,770 --> 01:32:53,640
is I'm like, I'm not so sure
that there's legal problems

1387
01:32:53,640 --> 01:32:54,090
here.

1388
01:32:54,330 --> 01:32:57,480
Adam Curry: I mean, well, first
of all, no, under Section 230,

1389
01:32:57,600 --> 01:33:03,000
we are, in fact immune from any
type of legal issues. So is in

1390
01:33:03,000 --> 01:33:07,110
America, mind you in America, so
is every other app in America,

1391
01:33:07,110 --> 01:33:10,380
etc. That's why section 230
exist. That was the whole point

1392
01:33:10,560 --> 01:33:13,860
doesn't mean that I that I don't
want to service people. They

1393
01:33:13,860 --> 01:33:16,830
don't want to help them. And
also, you know, sort of bemrose

1394
01:33:16,830 --> 01:33:19,110
actually said, quite
appropriately, the public

1395
01:33:19,110 --> 01:33:22,260
Internet has no delete button. I
mean, that is ultimately true.

1396
01:33:22,260 --> 01:33:25,650
You put it out there. That thing
is cached somewhere for good.

1397
01:33:26,700 --> 01:33:29,610
Dave Jones: It is I mean, like,
that's Yeah. And that's what I'm

1398
01:33:29,610 --> 01:33:33,390
like, Well, we're very
responsive to somebody, if if I

1399
01:33:33,390 --> 01:33:36,030
want something taken off
archive.org I need I can email

1400
01:33:36,030 --> 01:33:39,360
them and get it taken down, but
then they're not going to look

1401
01:33:39,360 --> 01:33:43,170
for. And I know that our
purposes aren't the same as

1402
01:33:43,170 --> 01:33:46,260
archive data. We don't want to
be the archive of podcasting.

1403
01:33:46,320 --> 01:33:47,670
No, but but

1404
01:33:47,729 --> 01:33:50,819
Adam Curry: we're also not we
don't have the files or anything

1405
01:33:50,819 --> 01:33:52,859
like that. I mean, we don't have
any of that.

1406
01:33:53,189 --> 01:33:55,559
Dave Jones: But the language
that this has come up before,

1407
01:33:55,559 --> 01:33:58,289
not just from James, this has
come up from I think Daniel J.

1408
01:33:58,289 --> 01:34:01,619
Lewis, also said that there was
some sort of legal problem and I

1409
01:34:01,619 --> 01:34:04,739
just don't think there is I
don't think there's a legal

1410
01:34:04,739 --> 01:34:12,329
issue with caching content. And
and let the only time you get

1411
01:34:12,329 --> 01:34:15,509
into a legal issue is if it's if
you if the Creator asked you to

1412
01:34:15,509 --> 01:34:19,769
take it down and you don't, then
you're then you're violating

1413
01:34:19,769 --> 01:34:22,979
DMCA and other things. And then
then it's a problem, but I don't

1414
01:34:22,979 --> 01:34:27,509
think I don't think just simply
being slow to remove a cached

1415
01:34:27,509 --> 01:34:29,519
copy is any problem at all?

1416
01:34:29,850 --> 01:34:34,770
Adam Curry: No, that's why I
said hair on fire. Yeah. And

1417
01:34:34,770 --> 01:34:39,630
also hair on fire. urgency,
makes people make mistakes, and

1418
01:34:39,660 --> 01:34:42,480
I certainly misunderstood what
was going on. It's like what is

1419
01:34:42,480 --> 01:34:45,330
happening? I mean, I didn't
understand I mean, we're all I

1420
01:34:45,330 --> 01:34:48,720
had to do really was just
perform a reset, and then been

1421
01:34:48,720 --> 01:34:51,780
would have been fixed. You know,
like emergency coding like what?

1422
01:34:54,120 --> 01:34:57,780
Dave Jones: And, yeah, I don't
just just to be clear, again, I

1423
01:34:57,780 --> 01:34:59,670
don't want to catch this stuff.
If somebody deletes it from

1424
01:34:59,670 --> 01:35:02,340
their feet I want to go I want
to go from the into Sure, sure.

1425
01:35:02,670 --> 01:35:06,060
But it's sometimes I mean, like,
I don't know, we got

1426
01:35:06,060 --> 01:35:10,440
constraints. I mean, we're gonna
do the best we can. And, you

1427
01:35:10,440 --> 01:35:13,650
know, that's just got to be the
way it the way it is. I mean, if

1428
01:35:13,650 --> 01:35:15,990
people want some taken down,
they just just gonna have to,

1429
01:35:16,410 --> 01:35:17,880
like, count up their email.

1430
01:35:18,390 --> 01:35:20,820
Adam Curry: I can't wait to see
what how Todd's new project is

1431
01:35:20,820 --> 01:35:24,510
going to work when we talk about
that yet. Does that. Tell me

1432
01:35:24,510 --> 01:35:26,130
about this? You're on the email.

1433
01:35:27,479 --> 01:35:29,459
Dave Jones: No, no. Is this the
thing that he said? We can't

1434
01:35:29,459 --> 01:35:29,999
talk about?

1435
01:35:30,030 --> 01:35:32,490
Adam Curry: Well, yeah, but I
mean, can you tell? Can we talk

1436
01:35:32,490 --> 01:35:35,160
about it yet? Or we still can't
talk? Is it? I don't know. I've

1437
01:35:35,160 --> 01:35:38,280
lost track if we could. I mean,
this is Todd. He tells you I can

1438
01:35:38,280 --> 01:35:41,400
talk about it. Boy, I got. I
don't know, he didn't put us

1439
01:35:41,400 --> 01:35:48,990
under NDA. Okay, but that's
gonna be fun. Anyway, yes.

1440
01:35:50,040 --> 01:35:54,960
Sorry. I brought it up. I do get
one other fun thing I want to

1441
01:35:54,960 --> 01:36:01,710
talk about, which I thought was
kind of interesting. player.fm.

1442
01:36:01,710 --> 01:36:04,350
Are you familiar with familiar
with player.fm?

1443
01:36:05,490 --> 01:36:07,980
Dave Jones: Why do I know that
name? Well, it's a podcast

1444
01:36:07,979 --> 01:36:11,189
Adam Curry: player. It's a
podcast player. Yeah, but I

1445
01:36:11,189 --> 01:36:15,359
don't think they have they have
2.0 Things I believe. Are they

1446
01:36:15,359 --> 01:36:18,149
on? Me? Check? Check. Let me
see. I thought they were

1447
01:36:19,770 --> 01:36:20,910
Dave Jones: on the apps play me

1448
01:36:20,910 --> 01:36:23,490
Adam Curry: check. Because when
they they hit me up for this

1449
01:36:23,790 --> 01:36:28,290
great opportunity. And then I
said, Oh, do you have any

1450
01:36:28,290 --> 01:36:31,860
podcasting 2.0? Let me see if I
see it here.

1451
01:36:32,850 --> 01:36:35,430
Dave Jones: People drop
something on the on a pull

1452
01:36:35,430 --> 01:36:37,860
request. And I just did, but
they don't really interact with

1453
01:36:37,860 --> 01:36:39,330
us. So don't forget, forget who
they are.

1454
01:36:41,580 --> 01:36:46,770
Adam Curry: See them here. They
may not well, anyway. They they

1455
01:36:46,800 --> 01:36:49,890
because they know I like having
my email address in my feed

1456
01:36:49,890 --> 01:36:52,200
because I get these things. And
I find that interesting. I don't

1457
01:36:52,200 --> 01:36:56,220
mind. Doing that player. FM
player FM is one of the most

1458
01:36:56,220 --> 01:36:59,130
downloaded and highest rated
podcast listening platforms

1459
01:36:59,130 --> 01:37:02,460
available on the Apple App Store
and Google Play Store reaching

1460
01:37:02,460 --> 01:37:05,190
millions of unique users per
month. It is owned and operated

1461
01:37:05,190 --> 01:37:08,790
by Maple media, a mobile app
company based in Los Angeles,

1462
01:37:08,790 --> 01:37:11,970
California. The player FM app
enables listeners to enjoy their

1463
01:37:11,970 --> 01:37:14,430
favorite shows and discover new
ones through a seamless cross

1464
01:37:14,430 --> 01:37:17,370
platform playback experience on
mobile web wearable, smart

1465
01:37:17,370 --> 01:37:20,400
devices, in car and in your
apps. sponsored content. So they

1466
01:37:20,400 --> 01:37:25,350
have so they we offer direct
advertising packages to help you

1467
01:37:25,350 --> 01:37:29,700
connect our engaged audience
with your show. So they have all

1468
01:37:29,700 --> 01:37:34,650
these packages that you can buy
from them to promote your show

1469
01:37:35,250 --> 01:37:39,990
on their app. You can get you
can platinum, it let's see if we

1470
01:37:39,990 --> 01:37:44,430
were to get a two week flight
sponsored content package. Well,

1471
01:37:44,430 --> 01:37:48,360
let's go for the bronze starter
test package. Platinum sounds

1472
01:37:48,360 --> 01:37:53,070
better. Platinum, okay. We get
put in the Discover carousel,

1473
01:37:53,760 --> 01:37:58,860
too. Yeah. They also have a
whole onboarding. So was the

1474
01:37:58,860 --> 01:38:02,790
onboarding was kind of
interesting. Whereas the

1475
01:38:02,790 --> 01:38:06,360
onboarding piece, new user
onboarding, your podcast is

1476
01:38:06,360 --> 01:38:09,930
featured during the onboarding
process, introducing your shows

1477
01:38:09,930 --> 01:38:13,290
and attracting new subscribers.
I thought that was really

1478
01:38:13,290 --> 01:38:17,730
interesting. So if you send
someone say, hey, try out pod

1479
01:38:17,730 --> 01:38:20,490
verse. Here's the link, you
know, it's pod

1480
01:38:20,490 --> 01:38:25,680
verse.no agenda.com.net, dot
whatever. No agenda dot pod

1481
01:38:25,680 --> 01:38:32,160
verse.the.fm. How about that,
then you get you get the app,

1482
01:38:32,730 --> 01:38:37,350
then then no agenda will be
highlighted as, as the first

1483
01:38:37,350 --> 01:38:41,040
show the minute you get the app.
There's just a whole bunch of

1484
01:38:41,040 --> 01:38:43,500
interesting things. I thought
that these guys were doing that

1485
01:38:43,800 --> 01:38:46,860
a lot of it's achy, and a lot of
his expensive

1486
01:38:47,880 --> 01:38:49,800
Dave Jones: cars and the guy was
Hopland it was the platinum

1487
01:38:49,800 --> 01:38:50,250
cost.

1488
01:38:50,340 --> 01:38:56,400
Adam Curry: Oh my god. $7,000.
Oh, you get one to 1.2 million

1489
01:38:56,400 --> 01:39:02,190
impressions, three and a half to
5000 Plays 10,000 to 15,000

1490
01:39:02,190 --> 01:39:05,730
subscribers. So I guess they,
they keep doing something and

1491
01:39:05,730 --> 01:39:10,410
they force people. And that's
seven grand. But it's not so

1492
01:39:10,410 --> 01:39:13,230
much that I thought some of the
some of the I put the link in

1493
01:39:13,230 --> 01:39:15,660
the show notes so people can
take a look at the Google Doc.

1494
01:39:17,040 --> 01:39:19,710
It's just interesting for some
of our app developers to think

1495
01:39:19,710 --> 01:39:25,080
about I mean, the idea of having
an onboarding system that takes

1496
01:39:25,080 --> 01:39:28,860
people to my podcast when they
onboard through it, or maybe and

1497
01:39:28,860 --> 01:39:32,880
by the way, this works perfectly
well with value for value. mean

1498
01:39:32,910 --> 01:39:37,440
you've got fountain giving away
SATs you've got beef pod fans is

1499
01:39:37,470 --> 01:39:40,620
I've been wild pod fans really
should look at this because pod

1500
01:39:40,620 --> 01:39:44,760
fans basically already has SATs
waiting for you as a podcaster.

1501
01:39:45,540 --> 01:39:48,780
That can be done you can do I'm
sure Sam and put all kinds of

1502
01:39:48,780 --> 01:39:52,080
packages together. Maybe Maybe
Sam is behind this company. I

1503
01:39:52,080 --> 01:39:55,530
don't know it looks like a SAM
deal, to be honest. But it's

1504
01:39:55,530 --> 01:39:58,350
just smart. And I just thought
you know this whole idea of

1505
01:39:58,350 --> 01:40:02,490
discovery and all this stuff. So
you can buy this discovery from

1506
01:40:02,490 --> 01:40:06,780
these guys. But I think being
able to send your listeners to a

1507
01:40:06,780 --> 01:40:12,270
place which gives you a bespoke
personalized onboarding

1508
01:40:12,300 --> 01:40:17,130
experience was interesting. Was
I agree interesting thing that

1509
01:40:17,160 --> 01:40:21,450
that people could do. And you
know, and it looks at this doc,

1510
01:40:21,450 --> 01:40:25,080
there's a lot of different
things that they do. They give

1511
01:40:25,080 --> 01:40:30,030
you it kind of like a pod page,
which I like, I like pod page, I

1512
01:40:30,030 --> 01:40:33,390
pay for it for carrying the
keeper.com. We don't have a

1513
01:40:33,390 --> 01:40:37,020
website, we just feed it our RSS
feed and boom, we have a website

1514
01:40:37,050 --> 01:40:41,460
point, the DNS ad, it's good to
go. And of course, another thing

1515
01:40:41,460 --> 01:40:45,750
that can go down, you know,
obviously, but they have all

1516
01:40:45,750 --> 01:40:48,180
these different features that
they give you. And so you can

1517
01:40:48,180 --> 01:40:51,660
get all these additional
features based on your based on

1518
01:40:51,660 --> 01:40:56,040
your RSS feed that can be right
in that app. So is this just

1519
01:40:56,040 --> 01:40:59,160
stuff to look at is what I'm
saying? I was pleasantly

1520
01:40:59,160 --> 01:41:00,210
surprised by it.

1521
01:41:00,870 --> 01:41:04,200
Dave Jones: I'm looking at our
page. So on the player.fm if you

1522
01:41:04,200 --> 01:41:09,870
look us if you look up us at the
top, it says podcasts worth a

1523
01:41:09,870 --> 01:41:13,050
listen. It's kind of like right
in the middle of the patient.

1524
01:41:13,320 --> 01:41:16,290
They're like dropping an ad for
another podcast on our podcast

1525
01:41:16,290 --> 01:41:20,880
page. But it says over on the
left hand side of this podcast

1526
01:41:20,880 --> 01:41:25,380
Supernote pod content provided
by Adam curry and podcast index

1527
01:41:25,380 --> 01:41:28,110
LLC. What am I chopped liver?

1528
01:41:28,169 --> 01:41:29,129
Adam Curry: Where does that come
from?

1529
01:41:30,330 --> 01:41:34,170
Dave Jones: I don't know. Don't
exist on this page. Now. If you

1530
01:41:34,170 --> 01:41:37,380
gotta know, it says Adam curry
and John Dvorak.

1531
01:41:37,710 --> 01:41:40,740
Adam Curry: Well, yeah, I mean,
let me see what let me see what

1532
01:41:42,390 --> 01:41:45,690
a show info on a second. Maybe
there's something the show in

1533
01:41:45,690 --> 01:41:51,420
what a show info keyword
keywords podcasting, media

1534
01:41:51,420 --> 01:41:55,650
software, media type podcast.
Don't have anything else in

1535
01:41:55,650 --> 01:41:58,260
there. Let me see owner info.

1536
01:41:59,040 --> 01:42:01,050
Dave Jones: They must pull it
must be pulling out of the

1537
01:42:01,050 --> 01:42:05,190
owner, the iTunes owner or
something like that tag? Well,

1538
01:42:05,189 --> 01:42:08,129
Adam Curry: I just added Dave
Jones to the feed owner. Sorry.

1539
01:42:08,519 --> 01:42:09,539
Sweet. Yeah.

1540
01:42:10,470 --> 01:42:11,490
Dave Jones: Makes me happy.
Yeah.

1541
01:42:11,490 --> 01:42:13,080
Adam Curry: I mean, I don't
didn't do that on purpose.

1542
01:42:13,080 --> 01:42:17,340
Obviously. I was trying to find
a way to ding them. The podcast

1543
01:42:17,340 --> 01:42:21,420
index, present podcasting. 2.0
upgrading podcasting. Is that in

1544
01:42:21,420 --> 01:42:24,690
there anywhere? Because that's
what we have in our feed. And

1545
01:42:24,690 --> 01:42:28,530
that no, no content provided by
Adam curry. So that should then

1546
01:42:28,530 --> 01:42:32,160
change theoretically, the Adam
curry and Dave Jones sometime

1547
01:42:32,190 --> 01:42:33,900
when I guess maybe when I
publish?

1548
01:42:34,439 --> 01:42:37,199
Dave Jones: I guess it's in the
description? No, no, it's not in

1549
01:42:37,199 --> 01:42:40,769
the description in the Yes. In
the description tag. I don't say

1550
01:42:40,769 --> 01:42:42,599
that upgrading podcasting thing.
Yeah,

1551
01:42:42,630 --> 01:42:44,880
Adam Curry: but that doesn't
surface and I really don't see

1552
01:42:44,880 --> 01:42:48,030
any any 2.0 features here.

1553
01:42:48,870 --> 01:42:51,330
Dave Jones: I mean, if you could
get seven grand for for just

1554
01:42:51,330 --> 01:42:51,720
some.

1555
01:42:52,109 --> 01:42:54,269
Adam Curry: But forget, forget
the money. Oh, interesting,

1556
01:42:54,269 --> 01:42:58,049
similar to podcasting 2.0, then
I see no agenda pop up there. So

1557
01:42:58,049 --> 01:42:59,909
they're probably cross
referencing me.

1558
01:43:01,410 --> 01:43:03,420
Dave Jones: They can know. I
mean, there's there's lots of

1559
01:43:03,420 --> 01:43:06,180
yeah, there's lots of
opportunity for here for I mean,

1560
01:43:06,270 --> 01:43:10,080
you know, we that apps needs
podcasts and people know, apps

1561
01:43:10,080 --> 01:43:12,960
need staying power. They need
revenue

1562
01:43:14,010 --> 01:43:20,220
Adam Curry: is what they need.
But stand up, there was a stand

1563
01:43:20,220 --> 01:43:23,400
up for your podcast that it
wasn't so much about the money

1564
01:43:23,400 --> 01:43:27,270
part, because whatever. I mean,
I guess someone's gonna pay that

1565
01:43:27,270 --> 01:43:30,780
kind of cash, I won't. But I
liked the personalized

1566
01:43:30,810 --> 01:43:33,030
onboarding and some of the other
things that we're thinking

1567
01:43:33,030 --> 01:43:36,630
about. It's just, it's
inspirational for some of our

1568
01:43:36,630 --> 01:43:38,670
developers to look at just see
what those guys are doing.

1569
01:43:39,030 --> 01:43:43,410
Dave Jones: Yeah, let's say
Nathan said that they did. The

1570
01:43:43,410 --> 01:43:46,650
maple media owns a whole mess of
apps in various industries. And

1571
01:43:46,650 --> 01:43:49,860
one of their lines is like an
equity app. Play.

1572
01:43:49,920 --> 01:43:53,490
Adam Curry: Oh, I'm sure I'm
sure I'm sure. Yeah. I'm sure.

1573
01:43:53,580 --> 01:43:56,760
Should we thank a few people.
Dave Jones. Oh, yeah, sure.

1574
01:43:57,300 --> 01:44:00,000
Let's look at a couple of booths
that have come in live where

1575
01:44:00,000 --> 01:44:03,840
we've been doing the show or
live and lit air boob 808 from

1576
01:44:03,840 --> 01:44:09,270
Mr. Robot. Mr. Robot. Mr. Robot
says YouTube, the centralized

1577
01:44:09,270 --> 01:44:12,750
censoring platform wants to get
into podcasting. Yeah, right.

1578
01:44:13,080 --> 01:44:14,100
What's new?

1579
01:44:14,670 --> 01:44:17,040
Dave Jones: What's what's
obviously did not sign the NDA.

1580
01:44:17,070 --> 01:44:21,180
Adam Curry: What's their new
name? spook. rss.com No, thanks.

1581
01:44:21,210 --> 01:44:27,720
We'll stick to podcasting. 2.0
No, all right. Got a 2112 Mini

1582
01:44:27,720 --> 01:44:32,100
rush boosts from Dave Jones for
obviously for Ainsley Costello

1583
01:44:32,100 --> 01:44:36,090
says what a great tune. Dred
Scott 13,000 great music. This

1584
01:44:36,090 --> 01:44:39,210
of course goes mainly to Ainsley
so she'll be very happy with

1585
01:44:39,210 --> 01:44:45,570
that. Short Row adduction Mahara
fat 2222 And someone else from

1586
01:44:45,570 --> 01:44:51,960
curio caster with no name 2222
Martin 9876 sets. Happy Friday

1587
01:44:51,960 --> 01:44:55,530
music woohoo. Thank you. That'd
be great. Mike Newman. Whoa,

1588
01:44:55,530 --> 01:45:01,320
whoa, hold on a second. Where's
my There's my stripe stripe or

1589
01:45:01,320 --> 01:45:07,320
booths I should have that at the
ready I don't understand why I

1590
01:45:07,320 --> 01:45:10,410
didn't have that I wanted to do
it it's not in my it's not on my

1591
01:45:10,410 --> 01:45:10,890
system

1592
01:45:10,950 --> 01:45:11,970
Dave Jones: it's not on the pad

1593
01:45:12,000 --> 01:45:15,480
Adam Curry: it's not on the pad
for some reason here we go. Oh,

1594
01:45:15,540 --> 01:45:18,870
and that's that's not well I'm
really all over the place. Oh

1595
01:45:18,870 --> 01:45:29,400
hey, we tried this striper bow
Steve Webb 7777 Great sound he

1596
01:45:29,400 --> 01:45:33,300
said that Steve the OG God
caster checking it nice. See

1597
01:45:33,300 --> 01:45:38,370
dubs with 9999 I think that's
also for Ainsley. Then we have

1598
01:45:38,640 --> 01:45:44,700
Sir Brian of London. This was
earlier 31 31,948 his big

1599
01:45:44,700 --> 01:45:49,500
Israeli freedom boost. I'm
alive. Despite waking up yay,

1600
01:45:49,530 --> 01:45:53,130
two meters from an exploding
lizard exploding lithium battery

1601
01:45:53,160 --> 01:45:55,890
on a boat a few nights ago. I'm
here to continue working on

1602
01:45:55,890 --> 01:45:57,510
podcasting. 2.0

1603
01:45:58,439 --> 01:45:59,639
Dave Jones: Welcome back, Brian.
Yeah, we're

1604
01:45:59,670 --> 01:46:01,440
Adam Curry: glad we're glad
we're glad you're alive.

1605
01:46:01,680 --> 01:46:07,740
Blueberry with a nice long row
of ducks 22222 Speaking of

1606
01:46:07,740 --> 01:46:10,350
chapters based off the testing I
did over the weekend, you can

1607
01:46:10,350 --> 01:46:13,380
take one second GIFs and stack
them one to one in the chapter

1608
01:46:13,380 --> 01:46:17,040
file. One split kid plays
podcasts mp3 is pasta chapter

1609
01:46:17,040 --> 01:46:22,200
art it'll it'll be certain you
can use this combo to do a live

1610
01:46:22,200 --> 01:46:26,970
long form animated lit opener,
scissor time timbers. He's all

1611
01:46:26,970 --> 01:46:29,370
over the gifs man. There was
something else I read think

1612
01:46:29,370 --> 01:46:33,060
blueberry, where we was talking
about something earlier before

1613
01:46:33,060 --> 01:46:36,570
we started the show. He says he
was thinking of rigging up the

1614
01:46:36,570 --> 01:46:42,390
boost bot. So that if if and the
boost bot and the ISO bot so if

1615
01:46:42,390 --> 01:46:44,910
it caught a certain word, it
would automatically boost

1616
01:46:44,910 --> 01:46:51,480
something it's just very trippy.
So it was like rosebud, then

1617
01:46:51,480 --> 01:46:53,790
automatically a boost would
fire.

1618
01:46:54,479 --> 01:46:57,329
Dave Jones: This is going to
bring gonna break something I

1619
01:46:57,330 --> 01:46:58,830
Adam Curry: know it's gonna
break something for sure.

1620
01:46:59,670 --> 01:47:00,930
Dave Jones: It's gonna be
there's gonna be a boost

1621
01:47:00,930 --> 01:47:02,970
Inception that just drains every

1622
01:47:03,899 --> 01:47:07,319
Adam Curry: Alright, yes, this
will eventually go wrong. Short

1623
01:47:07,319 --> 01:47:10,109
road ducks from blueberry spent
a summer at Middleton plantation

1624
01:47:10,109 --> 01:47:13,079
in Charleston, South Carolina.
Blacksmithing 10 out of 10 would

1625
01:47:13,079 --> 01:47:16,739
recommend if you'd like it hot,
heavy and dirty. That's exactly

1626
01:47:16,739 --> 01:47:22,109
what it is. trickler 2222 Go
podcasting Tag you're it thank

1627
01:47:22,109 --> 01:47:26,579
you Eric p p with 22,222. Thank
you very much. We love those

1628
01:47:26,579 --> 01:47:33,689
ducks. And we got I am Mr. Robot
with a little pre show booth for

1629
01:47:33,689 --> 01:47:38,759
the board meeting. 3333
absurdity and with 101 Joel

1630
01:47:38,759 --> 01:47:42,599
dawned on me see No, no, no, no,
that's it. Those are not all

1631
01:47:42,599 --> 01:47:45,959
people. I don't think I think
vacation time has kicked in. We

1632
01:47:45,959 --> 01:47:49,019
don't we don't have a lot of
people in the chat room either.

1633
01:47:49,469 --> 01:47:51,419
With your day, we're here. We're
here.

1634
01:47:51,810 --> 01:47:54,750
Dave Jones: Speaking of tagging
the trickler Christopher I've

1635
01:47:54,750 --> 01:47:59,070
seen is a he's working the
city's still working diligently

1636
01:47:59,070 --> 01:48:02,460
to put together your daily
source code or coffee.

1637
01:48:02,580 --> 01:48:06,120
Adam Curry: I know. And he sent
me a whole bunch of requests,

1638
01:48:06,510 --> 01:48:09,150
which is cool, because you know,
I had all these different

1639
01:48:09,150 --> 01:48:13,980
locations the curry castle, the
curry condo, the bunker. And he

1640
01:48:13,980 --> 01:48:19,590
wants the the Geo coordinates so
I'm going to get those forum to

1641
01:48:19,830 --> 01:48:23,760
use the the location tag. Oh,
yeah. Now he's, he's got it.

1642
01:48:23,970 --> 01:48:27,360
It's very nice. I told him no
value block. We can have that

1643
01:48:27,360 --> 01:48:30,210
because I played licensed music
and all this stuff. Yeah. So

1644
01:48:30,210 --> 01:48:32,760
he's not going to put that in.
And I think I'm going to give

1645
01:48:32,760 --> 01:48:37,170
him a server space. So they can
upload everything. I'm very

1646
01:48:37,170 --> 01:48:39,570
excited about that. It'll be a
nice piece of history that can

1647
01:48:39,570 --> 01:48:43,410
live on in perpetuity because I
love the trick. Yeah, cuz you

1648
01:48:43,410 --> 01:48:46,770
know, void zero maintains all
that so that'll be around for a

1649
01:48:46,770 --> 01:48:47,400
long time.

1650
01:48:48,000 --> 01:48:50,880
Dave Jones: Below the trickler
we got let's see we got some

1651
01:48:51,060 --> 01:48:53,490
Yeah, we got to pay pals we got
Marco coming in. Speaking of

1652
01:48:53,490 --> 01:48:56,970
Marco and the Linode debacle. We
got $500 from market

1653
01:48:58,620 --> 01:49:03,240
Adam Curry: Sakala 20 blades on
the Impala Thank you Marco.

1654
01:49:03,240 --> 01:49:05,400
Thank you really appreciate
that.

1655
01:49:08,010 --> 01:49:14,640
Dave Jones: See it? Who was it?
Was it? Oh, source source day he

1656
01:49:14,640 --> 01:49:17,580
said that? I need a pop filter
and my puppy

1657
01:49:18,090 --> 01:49:20,790
Adam Curry: doesn't bother me.
Okay.

1658
01:49:21,930 --> 01:49:23,100
Dave Jones: Get one if I need
one.

1659
01:49:23,880 --> 01:49:25,530
Adam Curry: Do you like when
you're excited? You'll get a

1660
01:49:25,530 --> 01:49:28,380
little puppy. I get potty all
the time. I mean, what Mike?

1661
01:49:28,590 --> 01:49:33,000
What are you using us Ohio? No,
I'm using the RT 3320 Well, then

1662
01:49:33,000 --> 01:49:36,150
you're just as Poppy as I am. It
has a built in pop filter.

1663
01:49:36,689 --> 01:49:38,219
Dave Jones: Yeah, that's I've
never gotten one because it's

1664
01:49:38,219 --> 01:49:41,669
got the built in. It's fine.
It's fine. Okay, if it if it

1665
01:49:41,669 --> 01:49:44,069
bothers everybody boost in and
tell me

1666
01:49:45,780 --> 01:49:48,420
Adam Curry: about Buffy Yeah,
boosting Some. Some pop filter

1667
01:49:48,420 --> 01:49:50,130
boosts Pop Pop sets.

1668
01:49:51,420 --> 01:49:55,230
Dave Jones: Todd at blueberry
$50. Hey, gents. Todd. Here. Go

1669
01:49:55,230 --> 01:49:56,070
V for V.

1670
01:49:56,100 --> 01:49:58,560
Adam Curry: Yo, baby. Thank you.
Thank you very much, Todd. When

1671
01:49:58,560 --> 01:49:59,970
can we talk about your secret
project?

1672
01:50:00,899 --> 01:50:06,569
Dave Jones: Yeah, give us give
us a timeline from Da Oh, let's

1673
01:50:06,569 --> 01:50:09,659
see what Okay, here we go. I
guess it's a booster booster

1674
01:50:09,659 --> 01:50:14,669
grams. Okay, Captain egg head.
2222 says pod versed. Pod verse

1675
01:50:14,669 --> 01:50:16,109
beta can time split.

1676
01:50:16,499 --> 01:50:18,929
Adam Curry: Ooh, nice. Nice.
Okay.

1677
01:50:19,620 --> 01:50:23,100
Dave Jones: I'll give that a
shot. Today when I get back and

1678
01:50:23,100 --> 01:50:27,630
do so. Cast ematic Franco's
trying to he's working on time

1679
01:50:27,630 --> 01:50:32,940
splits. Nice. I've got to put
some thought into that, because

1680
01:50:32,940 --> 01:50:36,390
it's going to be hard for him to
do remote item lookups

1681
01:50:36,420 --> 01:50:38,010
Adam Curry: because he doesn't
have a server.

1682
01:50:39,510 --> 01:50:43,320
Dave Jones: Yeah, and so it's
gonna take some thought I mean,

1683
01:50:43,320 --> 01:50:47,280
for sometimes it's gonna be not
a big deal. But if there's a

1684
01:50:47,280 --> 01:50:50,640
feed with a whole bunch, it it
could be a burden

1685
01:50:51,000 --> 01:50:53,160
Adam Curry: burden on the app
because it has to scan all that

1686
01:50:53,160 --> 01:50:53,640
stuff.

1687
01:50:54,150 --> 01:50:56,280
Dave Jones: Yeah, he painted out
some scenario where there was

1688
01:50:56,280 --> 01:50:59,340
going to be like 40 Something
lookups you know, and it was

1689
01:50:59,340 --> 01:51:03,480
just like, Whoo, that's that
hurts. So I've got that on my to

1690
01:51:03,480 --> 01:51:07,290
do list to sort of like think
that through and see if we can

1691
01:51:07,290 --> 01:51:12,780
simplify this process for him.
Because the the apps that do

1692
01:51:12,780 --> 01:51:15,060
their own thing and don't have a
server I mean, we you know, this

1693
01:51:15,060 --> 01:51:19,500
stuff has to work for them too.
Because those are those are good

1694
01:51:19,500 --> 01:51:19,890
apps.

1695
01:51:19,920 --> 01:51:21,810
Adam Curry: I smell a shim
coming.

1696
01:51:23,910 --> 01:51:26,670
Dave Jones: Shit no shim shim
free

1697
01:51:28,350 --> 01:51:31,710
Adam Curry: Parfumerie shim shim
any shim shim Shirou Sorry

1698
01:51:32,550 --> 01:51:35,460
Dave Jones: 3333 through curio
Castro no no thank you for that

1699
01:51:35,460 --> 01:51:38,820
and a double he gave us another
one of those Thank you. drips

1700
01:51:38,820 --> 01:51:41,550
got 100,000 sets

1701
01:51:43,260 --> 01:51:47,400
Adam Curry: kala 20 is Blaze
Bala Thank you

1702
01:51:48,720 --> 01:51:51,870
Dave Jones: boosting weight
destiny by Sarah Jade great to

1703
01:51:52,170 --> 01:51:57,090
nice this see we got 30 threes
got some more thought some more

1704
01:51:57,090 --> 01:52:02,430
hard hats. Thank you, Captain
egghead. Probably not yet while

1705
01:52:02,430 --> 01:52:05,940
live though I guess at least on
my pod verse. Yeah, probably not

1706
01:52:05,970 --> 01:52:08,400
that's no not Yeah, just
separate thing that's not there

1707
01:52:08,400 --> 01:52:13,710
yet. Let's see Sam says the 152
theropod fancies his face seven

1708
01:52:13,710 --> 01:52:16,860
podcast chat already working
podcast events ready now you

1709
01:52:16,860 --> 01:52:19,320
action words are added to the
dashboard and can't wait for

1710
01:52:19,320 --> 01:52:23,460
podcast verify good podcasting.
This is Red Dwarf set aka zoo

1711
01:52:27,149 --> 01:52:29,309
Adam Curry: I love Sam he's
doing those interviews you can

1712
01:52:29,309 --> 01:52:31,979
hear is like 34 values the way
to go. It's the way to go. But

1713
01:52:31,979 --> 01:52:34,049
okay, I'll ask about this
advertising thing you're doing.

1714
01:52:34,380 --> 01:52:38,310
Dave Jones: You can hear that
you can hear the the you can

1715
01:52:38,310 --> 01:52:39,030
hear it in his voice.

1716
01:52:39,060 --> 01:52:41,310
Adam Curry: Can I ask you a
question? For a second here,

1717
01:52:41,310 --> 01:52:46,410
Dave? If you sent me your clips
in a zip file? Yes. Have you

1718
01:52:46,410 --> 01:52:53,760
sent me? A an archive of a chat
you had with the Apple Store?

1719
01:52:54,750 --> 01:52:57,810
Dave Jones: Yes, that's on
purpose. Yes. That was

1720
01:52:57,810 --> 01:53:00,660
potentially something I was
going to talk about. But I ran

1721
01:53:00,720 --> 01:53:03,300
out. Okay. All right. Well try
this on the cutting room floor.

1722
01:53:04,830 --> 01:53:07,710
Adam Curry: Too bad. No big part
for you Apple Store. All right,

1723
01:53:07,710 --> 01:53:07,950
good.

1724
01:53:09,720 --> 01:53:14,520
Dave Jones: Yes, discard. Let's
see. Oh, see Dubs. One on 102

1725
01:53:14,520 --> 01:53:18,300
podcast index websites as a log
seek is my favorite outliner

1726
01:53:18,480 --> 01:53:21,450
I've heard about log seek and
add blocks that I have not used

1727
01:53:21,450 --> 01:53:30,660
it. It's supposedly it's like an
encrypted what is it? I know

1728
01:53:30,660 --> 01:53:35,820
it's spelled funny as ello je s
EQ logs. It gets like an open

1729
01:53:35,820 --> 01:53:36,540
source thing.

1730
01:53:37,830 --> 01:53:39,750
Adam Curry: And it partially
because you were grepping logs

1731
01:53:39,750 --> 01:53:42,870
you were doing some big log
Griffin 17. Grip,

1732
01:53:43,320 --> 01:53:47,820
Dave Jones: grip and logs and
log notes increase understate?

1733
01:53:47,820 --> 01:53:52,680
Yeah. Community. Yes. It's like
a it's like an open source note

1734
01:53:52,980 --> 01:54:00,360
sharing outliner thing but it's
all encrypted. Drop Thank you.

1735
01:54:00,360 --> 01:54:00,900
Okay.

1736
01:54:01,469 --> 01:54:02,189
Adam Curry: Pick up your sand

1737
01:54:02,190 --> 01:54:04,410
Dave Jones: drop that drop my
thing. Dropped it again.

1738
01:54:05,880 --> 01:54:12,240
Alright, I get our Davis at
710101. He says DuPont versus

1739
01:54:12,240 --> 01:54:14,910
correction typo from previous
origin of my knowledge of

1740
01:54:14,910 --> 01:54:18,270
podcasting. Well think they're
out of order because I didn't

1741
01:54:18,270 --> 01:54:22,860
see your previous one. Oh, here
it is. I found it. Our Davis

1742
01:54:22,860 --> 01:54:27,060
8722 to 22 Row ducks through pod
VS is boosting for another exon

1743
01:54:27,060 --> 01:54:30,450
board meeting. Thank you for
your courage. Exxon. Thank you.

1744
01:54:31,020 --> 01:54:37,740
Thank you. Mike Newman 1472
through pod fans. Hey, now yay,

1745
01:54:37,740 --> 01:54:38,040
there

1746
01:54:38,040 --> 01:54:41,340
Adam Curry: it is the finally
getting some pod fan boosts like

1747
01:54:41,340 --> 01:54:42,540
that and like seeing that

1748
01:54:43,140 --> 01:54:45,510
Dave Jones: boosting through pod
fans for the thrill of it all.

1749
01:54:47,700 --> 01:54:50,400
Adam Curry: week I got I got my
login. I'm all done. I'm rocking

1750
01:54:50,400 --> 01:54:53,820
and roll. I'm connecting with
Sam. I'm following you. So yeah,

1751
01:54:53,820 --> 01:54:55,710
I'm figuring it all out.

1752
01:54:56,280 --> 01:54:58,320
Dave Jones: And get it. I'm
noting up some bugs. I'm gonna

1753
01:54:58,320 --> 01:55:03,540
send them to Sam Oh see
anonymous 6928 through breeze

1754
01:55:03,540 --> 01:55:04,320
today.

1755
01:55:06,210 --> 01:55:12,390
Adam Curry: I got a note from
from Roy said, he said sorry

1756
01:55:12,390 --> 01:55:16,380
I've been MIA. So all kinds of
stuff going on so I got to catch

1757
01:55:16,380 --> 01:55:19,620
up with him. That would be my
daughter was here so I haven't

1758
01:55:19,620 --> 01:55:22,350
had time to call him back but I
will we'll catch up. Yeah, he

1759
01:55:22,350 --> 01:55:25,050
stopped boosting the boosting is
not loving.

1760
01:55:25,590 --> 01:55:26,400
Dave Jones: Yeah, man.

1761
01:55:27,180 --> 01:55:31,470
Adam Curry: That's bad
overboard. busy guy.

1762
01:55:32,099 --> 01:55:38,009
Dave Jones: Justin Dejon do 669
sets. The pod fans this is pod

1763
01:55:38,009 --> 01:55:41,369
fans payment. Well, the pod fans
is ramping up here. Hey, how

1764
01:55:41,369 --> 01:55:43,199
Adam Curry: about that? I love
it. Nice.

1765
01:55:43,920 --> 01:55:46,740
Dave Jones: Our Davis 1443 pod
verse he says boosting for the

1766
01:55:46,740 --> 01:55:50,790
destiny of podcasting. 2.0 and V
for V music. Open music Wait,

1767
01:55:50,820 --> 01:55:53,670
Destiny? Great town. A real foot
Tapper.

1768
01:55:54,000 --> 01:55:56,460
Adam Curry: Yeah, this was the
music we played on the last

1769
01:55:56,460 --> 01:55:56,790
show.

1770
01:55:57,269 --> 01:56:02,369
Dave Jones: Jade was Sarah J.
Sarah Jade. Yep. Okay. Oh, our

1771
01:56:02,369 --> 01:56:05,789
Davis 1440. Again, he says the
dot eath domain services run by

1772
01:56:05,789 --> 01:56:09,119
the Ethereum foundation and is
called the Aetherium namespace.

1773
01:56:09,180 --> 01:56:12,720
Adam Curry: Okay. Good to know.
So good to know what to avoid.

1774
01:56:13,290 --> 01:56:18,930
Dave Jones: That's right. Our
Davis all over Oh, he's all up

1775
01:56:18,930 --> 01:56:23,880
in our DMS today. 1987. DuPont
VS is in the boardroom. Adam and

1776
01:56:23,880 --> 01:56:26,400
Dave, I think the whole verify
ownership tag is being over

1777
01:56:26,400 --> 01:56:30,270
thought. There already exists a
standard that can do this for

1778
01:56:30,270 --> 01:56:33,210
both independent podcasters and
podcasters. He's posting

1779
01:56:33,210 --> 01:56:36,990
companies. It's called PGP and
GNU privacy.

1780
01:56:37,560 --> 01:56:40,920
Adam Curry: Cool. But you can
have verification through PGP.

1781
01:56:41,910 --> 01:56:43,980
Dave Jones: But I guess it would
be just like very verifying

1782
01:56:44,250 --> 01:56:48,300
ownership of an email. If you
put your PGP is the key if the

1783
01:56:48,330 --> 01:56:50,400
feed head is PGP public key in

1784
01:56:50,399 --> 01:56:53,699
Adam Curry: it? Oh, well,
there's a good point. There's a

1785
01:56:53,699 --> 01:56:56,579
good point. Da

1786
01:56:57,030 --> 01:56:59,520
Dave Jones: Yeah, you would need
an E and it had the same issue.

1787
01:56:59,520 --> 01:57:01,980
Right? You need a key to key
escrow and all this stuff like

1788
01:57:01,980 --> 01:57:06,450
no you don't need as you don't,
I mean key escrow. Like don't

1789
01:57:06,450 --> 01:57:11,730
you have to have a private
directory of public PGP keys,

1790
01:57:11,730 --> 01:57:12,060
it's

1791
01:57:15,359 --> 01:57:17,009
Adam Curry: you know what, I'm
gonna stay away from this

1792
01:57:17,009 --> 01:57:19,829
because the minute I open my
mouth, like you got it wrong,

1793
01:57:19,829 --> 01:57:25,439
Carrie. That's not how it works.
But I use I would say I get one

1794
01:57:25,439 --> 01:57:30,809
to two encrypted emails per day.
And and I use the what's the

1795
01:57:30,839 --> 01:57:35,219
what's the dog email, app canine
mail, which incorporates it

1796
01:57:35,219 --> 01:57:40,799
nicely. And I've been able to
keep my key ring with all my you

1797
01:57:40,799 --> 01:57:45,509
know, with all my my my peeps,
now easy to add someone's public

1798
01:57:45,509 --> 01:57:49,019
key, and it works pretty well. I
have to say, it's not much of a

1799
01:57:49,019 --> 01:57:53,819
burden once you've done it a
couple times. And so yeah, I

1800
01:57:53,819 --> 01:57:57,239
mean, and from time to time,
someone will want to verify and

1801
01:57:57,239 --> 01:58:00,089
like that's a pain in the butt,
actually. Because you got to

1802
01:58:00,119 --> 01:58:03,209
post something and do this and
do that. And okay, you're

1803
01:58:03,209 --> 01:58:03,929
verified.

1804
01:58:05,130 --> 01:58:08,010
Dave Jones: But it worked out
says the RSS feed is the escrow.

1805
01:58:08,040 --> 01:58:11,310
Adam Curry: Yes. That will make
sense. The feed is the escrow

1806
01:58:11,310 --> 01:58:13,620
that's where you put the where
you put your public key.

1807
01:58:14,310 --> 01:58:17,580
Dave Jones: And that means that
podcast index would be the could

1808
01:58:17,580 --> 01:58:18,420
be a directory.

1809
01:58:19,050 --> 01:58:20,940
Adam Curry: We could be your
public key directory.

1810
01:58:21,600 --> 01:58:23,160
Dave Jones: Yeah. There's
nothing much more centralized

1811
01:58:23,160 --> 01:58:25,590
than a public key. strew is

1812
01:58:28,380 --> 01:58:30,330
Adam Curry: think about
something the thing Yeah.

1813
01:58:30,870 --> 01:58:32,880
Dave Jones: He says you just put
the public key in the feed, then

1814
01:58:32,880 --> 01:58:35,580
you give the user something they
sign it with their private key

1815
01:58:35,580 --> 01:58:38,070
and the Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right.
I mean, that's yeah. So yeah,

1816
01:58:38,070 --> 01:58:43,260
it's interesting. Yeah. Or
asymmetric. Let's see.

1817
01:58:43,350 --> 01:58:46,410
Adam Curry: Alex gates just came
in with 12,000 SATs already

1818
01:58:46,410 --> 01:58:49,770
considering adding PGP keys to
the feed for pod ping

1819
01:58:49,770 --> 01:58:50,850
verification.

1820
01:58:51,720 --> 01:58:53,760
Dave Jones: Okay, well, maybe we
can push all this together. And

1821
01:58:53,760 --> 01:58:55,260
I'm liking this. Yeah,

1822
01:58:55,290 --> 01:58:57,240
Adam Curry: I'm getting excited.

1823
01:58:57,960 --> 01:59:00,480
Dave Jones: By the way, Alex,
I'm not I'm not streaming my

1824
01:59:00,480 --> 01:59:05,670
webcam on the OBS because I
started this. I already had

1825
01:59:05,670 --> 01:59:08,610
everything hooked up. And if I
plug in the USB, it blows up my

1826
01:59:08,610 --> 01:59:12,120
computer after I do it after the
fact so I'm running headless

1827
01:59:12,120 --> 01:59:16,650
today. Just yeah, just Yeah,
making sure he knows that. It's

1828
01:59:16,650 --> 01:59:21,840
not a problem. Okay, all right.
Josie Jean been 4000 says says

1829
01:59:21,840 --> 01:59:25,110
Oh, good grief, apparently Oh,
my phone pod verse. Now we got

1830
01:59:25,110 --> 01:59:27,570
back together, but we're waiting
to get underground from their

1831
01:59:27,570 --> 01:59:30,540
misbehavior before actually
streaming sets again. Here's a

1832
01:59:30,540 --> 01:59:33,180
little something to compensate
for their ridiculousness. To be

1833
01:59:33,180 --> 01:59:38,460
clear. This is actually a peb
CAC. Err. Okay, what is Pip?

1834
01:59:38,609 --> 01:59:41,069
Adam Curry: I don't know BK AC
sounds icky.

1835
01:59:42,240 --> 01:59:46,380
Dave Jones: P NB case. I don't
know what problem exists between

1836
01:59:46,380 --> 01:59:54,750
Qidong Yeah. Okay, thank you. GB
10,000 SAS for Gene minisas. As

1837
01:59:54,750 --> 01:59:58,740
I said on Mastodon, my biggest
pet peeve in life is double

1838
01:59:58,740 --> 02:00:01,560
standards. So I feel less
frustration with iTunes blocked

1839
02:00:01,590 --> 02:00:03,870
and think he's taking the right
path to resolving this Miss.

1840
02:00:03,930 --> 02:00:05,430
Thank you Jamie. Appreciate
that.

1841
02:00:05,460 --> 02:00:06,510
Adam Curry: Indeed I agree.

1842
02:00:07,680 --> 02:00:11,190
Dave Jones: Uncle Laurent sent
us a satchel of Richard's

1843
02:00:11,190 --> 02:00:13,140
through pod verse he says I
heard you guys talking about

1844
02:00:13,140 --> 02:00:17,010
Bitcoin Amsterdam last episode.
Are you guys going? Negative?

1845
02:00:17,070 --> 02:00:20,220
Adam Curry: No, no, I don't
think anything's happening. They

1846
02:00:20,250 --> 02:00:22,080
they have they've dropped the
ball.

1847
02:00:22,950 --> 02:00:25,320
Dave Jones: Yeah, I haven't
heard back from Chris yet.

1848
02:00:26,220 --> 02:00:30,270
Adam Curry: They have however
hounded me for my article. So I

1849
02:00:30,270 --> 02:00:34,590
wrote my article. I ran it
through chat GPT much to Tina's

1850
02:00:34,590 --> 02:00:38,640
anger. Because I gave it to her
and I said can you put this for

1851
02:00:38,640 --> 02:00:41,280
the Tina wash? He said in the
first sentence is this you put

1852
02:00:41,280 --> 02:00:49,230
this chat GPT didn't you? I said
I'm so she has done an edit I'm

1853
02:00:49,230 --> 02:00:53,370
gonna look at it and it's all
about podcasts and 2.0 value for

1854
02:00:53,370 --> 02:00:55,710
value and music value for value.

1855
02:00:56,100 --> 02:00:59,310
Dave Jones: Oh one I'm even
worse I generated must show the

1856
02:00:59,340 --> 02:01:02,700
for this new for the days
nightstand podcast Yeah, I

1857
02:01:02,700 --> 02:01:06,570
generated my album art through a
mid journey

1858
02:01:06,600 --> 02:01:09,180
Adam Curry: oh god yeah, that's
pretty bad.

1859
02:01:09,720 --> 02:01:15,780
Dave Jones: It was the epic
fails were hilarious bad i mean

1860
02:01:15,810 --> 02:01:20,070
lamps desktop lamps that were
connected to each other in

1861
02:01:20,190 --> 02:01:23,610
disturbing and horrible ways
like it it was it was fun to

1862
02:01:23,610 --> 02:01:24,150
watch oh yes

1863
02:01:24,150 --> 02:01:27,780
Adam Curry: I need I need some
art for Bookstagram ball comics

1864
02:01:27,780 --> 02:01:30,750
are bought blogger did one for
me. But and he kind of got

1865
02:01:30,750 --> 02:01:34,020
started on a path that just
doesn't work for me headphones

1866
02:01:34,020 --> 02:01:36,840
on the thing is like I'm looking
for something different. I

1867
02:01:36,840 --> 02:01:40,530
appreciate what he did of
course, but I'd love some just

1868
02:01:40,560 --> 02:01:43,410
throw it up on the podcast index
dot social if you got something

1869
02:01:43,410 --> 02:01:45,060
love, love some art for the
show.

1870
02:01:46,230 --> 02:01:49,920
Dave Jones: Chris Jupiter
broadcasting huge, huge satchel

1871
02:01:49,920 --> 02:01:54,270
enrichers they got big Richard's
over at Jupiter broadcasting fad

1872
02:01:54,270 --> 02:02:01,230
through fountain is
111111 111,111.

1873
02:02:01,649 --> 02:02:05,279
Adam Curry: Baby. Nice. Big
Richards.

1874
02:02:05,760 --> 02:02:08,970
Dave Jones: He says just loved
episode 141 Here's some value to

1875
02:02:08,970 --> 02:02:11,250
say thanks for one of my
favorite weekly listens.

1876
02:02:11,370 --> 02:02:13,680
Adam Curry: Thanks, brother.
Appreciate it, man.

1877
02:02:15,120 --> 02:02:20,040
Dave Jones: A bunch a bunch of
60 nines from Sam Sam city. But

1878
02:02:20,250 --> 02:02:25,170
a streaming stream is 60 nines.
Mere Mortals podcast 2222

1879
02:02:25,170 --> 02:02:28,860
through fountain he says
Confucius wants say life is

1880
02:02:28,860 --> 02:02:32,880
really simple, but we insist on
making it complicated. I believe

1881
02:02:32,880 --> 02:02:36,360
he also said only real
podcasters use the duo was words

1882
02:02:36,360 --> 02:02:36,900
to live by a

1883
02:02:40,380 --> 02:02:42,660
Adam Curry: couple of more live
booths coming in Alex gets

1884
02:02:42,660 --> 02:02:48,570
13,000 Dave lost his head.
Gotcha. And Sir TJ the raffle

1885
02:02:48,600 --> 02:02:51,690
who will be featured on the
first booster Grand Ball nein

1886
02:02:51,690 --> 02:02:55,470
nein nein Nein. So excited for V
for V music. It's all about the

1887
02:02:55,470 --> 02:02:59,970
value not the money. But N net
Ned 10,000 SATs because it's

1888
02:02:59,970 --> 02:03:03,150
Friday you ain't got nothing and
got no job. You ain't got no

1889
02:03:03,150 --> 02:03:05,640
shit to do. All right, net net.
Thank you.

1890
02:03:06,149 --> 02:03:09,149
Dave Jones: This is what this is
the standard operating procedure

1891
02:03:09,149 --> 02:03:15,329
for us by the way. You break
just like today, you brought

1892
02:03:15,329 --> 02:03:21,779
cherry on top. With the killer
tune. What I brought is Debbie

1893
02:03:21,779 --> 02:03:24,929
Downer about the world is
broken. We're a perfect hair.

1894
02:03:26,129 --> 02:03:30,989
You're gonna bring the V for V
booster booster gram ball. I'm

1895
02:03:30,989 --> 02:03:34,289
bringing a book about me reading
stuff off my nightstand.

1896
02:03:36,000 --> 02:03:37,380
Adam Curry: But that's who we
are. That's why it's so

1897
02:03:37,380 --> 02:03:40,560
beautiful. That's good, man.
That's good. Hey, maybe we can

1898
02:03:40,560 --> 02:03:41,880
appear on each other show.

1899
02:03:43,109 --> 02:03:44,489
Dave Jones: That's right. Yeah,
I'm talking to you. You're on a

1900
02:03:44,489 --> 02:03:46,739
show of me reading blurbs of a
book. Yes. There

1901
02:03:46,740 --> 02:03:49,020
Adam Curry: you go. I'm pumped.
I'd love to do a guest read.

1902
02:03:49,649 --> 02:03:52,529
Dave Jones: I will. I will get
on your show and play and I'll

1903
02:03:52,529 --> 02:03:53,399
do an open mic.

1904
02:03:54,450 --> 02:03:58,230
Adam Curry: Yes. Good. I'm good.
I'm good. Let's do it. I love

1905
02:03:58,230 --> 02:03:58,410
it.

1906
02:03:59,220 --> 02:04:02,820
Dave Jones: CASP eland 3692
podcasts index website he says

1907
02:04:02,820 --> 02:04:06,780
listen true. My own IPFS
gateway, true the IPFS podcast

1908
02:04:06,780 --> 02:04:10,440
node written some small scripts
to make use of your own gateway

1909
02:04:10,440 --> 02:04:14,340
on your own IPFS gateway only
local local network is advised

1910
02:04:14,340 --> 02:04:20,760
and he gives a link to these
look alike. Scripts. Okay.

1911
02:04:21,750 --> 02:04:23,790
Adam Curry: Send it to me and
I'll put them in the show notes.

1912
02:04:24,300 --> 02:04:26,700
You can send that link to me.
Let me

1913
02:04:26,730 --> 02:04:28,800
Dave Jones: let me sanitize this
link first and make sure it's

1914
02:04:28,800 --> 02:04:31,560
not miss ransomware

1915
02:04:33,510 --> 02:04:35,220
Adam Curry: Yeah. Alright home

1916
02:04:40,800 --> 02:04:42,690
podcast script.

1917
02:04:43,229 --> 02:04:45,569
Dave Jones: This connection
refused. I feel like we've been

1918
02:04:45,809 --> 02:04:47,249
I feel like we've been pranked.

1919
02:04:47,729 --> 02:04:52,889
Adam Curry: Let me say God's
honest open hope and an owl.

1920
02:04:54,779 --> 02:04:56,009
That means open head.

1921
02:04:56,730 --> 02:04:59,550
Dave Jones: Open. We got
pranked. We got punked I think

1922
02:04:59,550 --> 02:04:59,790
so

1923
02:04:59,790 --> 02:05:02,970
Adam Curry: too. Well, I'll put
that link in just in case people

1924
02:05:02,970 --> 02:05:06,210
want to dare click on it. Okay,
all right.

1925
02:05:06,780 --> 02:05:11,100
Dave Jones: The small satchel
Richards he's need to go work

1926
02:05:11,100 --> 02:05:16,080
for Jupiter guys. Joel Wu. A
fountain note Thank you Joel

1927
02:05:16,080 --> 02:05:16,350
Dobby

1928
02:05:16,410 --> 02:05:19,140
Adam Curry: work for Jupiter.
Just got that one

1929
02:05:20,340 --> 02:05:23,490
Dave Jones: bad career advice
Chad a little bit bigger sensor

1930
02:05:23,490 --> 02:05:28,080
Richards 11111 Count and he says
days premium feed for the

1931
02:05:28,080 --> 02:05:30,960
upcoming podcast days. Nice day
unless you explore what's in

1932
02:05:30,960 --> 02:05:31,800
days Nice.

1933
02:05:35,850 --> 02:05:38,460
Adam Curry: Yeah, I like it. I
like that idea.

1934
02:05:40,590 --> 02:05:43,830
Dave Jones: He's just cute. Hot.
Nice face talk. That might need

1935
02:05:43,830 --> 02:05:44,970
some hot math talk.

1936
02:05:45,090 --> 02:05:47,550
Adam Curry: Yeah, we got that.

1937
02:05:49,410 --> 02:05:56,970
Unknown: It's so hot. When you
talk math. Thinks dry maths to

1938
02:05:56,970 --> 02:05:57,420
me.

1939
02:05:58,590 --> 02:06:01,770
Adam Curry: Talk math. Talk math
to me, baby.

1940
02:06:02,220 --> 02:06:05,940
Dave Jones: I like how old that
that that jingle is because it

1941
02:06:05,940 --> 02:06:07,440
still talks about things.

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02:06:07,740 --> 02:06:12,120
Adam Curry: I know. That is
funny. I didn't even think about

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02:06:12,120 --> 02:06:12,420
that.

1944
02:06:13,019 --> 02:06:16,409
Dave Jones: To see 5000 sets
through for from anonymous

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02:06:16,409 --> 02:06:20,519
podcast guru user. Through the
podcast guru app. He says I'm

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02:06:20,519 --> 02:06:22,829
going to recommend this to my
musician friends.

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02:06:22,859 --> 02:06:25,349
Adam Curry: Good cool. Do it. Do
it. Do it do it.

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02:06:26,760 --> 02:06:32,040
Dave Jones: Boris Kozlowski
through found and 11,333 sets he

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02:06:32,040 --> 02:06:36,210
says, Do we have a new term open
podcasting? No. Not if not if

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02:06:36,210 --> 02:06:37,470
Adam has anything to do? No.

1951
02:06:37,500 --> 02:06:41,490
Adam Curry: Does podcasting
podcast industrial complex and

1952
02:06:41,490 --> 02:06:42,780
closed podcasting?

1953
02:06:44,970 --> 02:06:48,930
Dave Jones: Let's see. Jeff
Autons streamed a bunch of 69

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02:06:48,930 --> 02:06:52,230
through five through pod fans.
This Jeff autogenous that name

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02:06:52,230 --> 02:06:53,250
sounds familiar,

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02:06:53,310 --> 02:06:57,240
Adam Curry: Jeff. No, no, no,
no, no, no. Sorry, Jeff.

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02:06:57,360 --> 02:07:01,560
Dave Jones: If I'm Miss placing
something. Thank you, Jeff.

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02:07:01,710 --> 02:07:07,500
source D 16,000. Will 16 says to
boost CLI says with them

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02:07:07,500 --> 02:07:12,930
inception. Colon, exclamation
point command. With the colon

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02:07:12,930 --> 02:07:15,930
bang them can run commands
possibly a hack but still

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02:07:15,930 --> 02:07:21,150
happening via Vim. Su CD Archie
PS don't forget to split

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02:07:23,040 --> 02:07:25,110
Adam Curry: I just got a
clarification from blueberry.

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02:07:25,710 --> 02:07:29,700
About the what I was saying
about the words that boosted and

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I made up something completely
new because that's not at all

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02:07:32,130 --> 02:07:36,570
what he was talking about. The
17,770 success thank you

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02:07:36,570 --> 02:07:39,900
blueberry Adam I was wanting to
hook up boost bot to a shock

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02:07:39,900 --> 02:07:44,760
collar them like zap every time
someone boosted our GIMP but

1968
02:07:44,760 --> 02:07:47,130
voice to boost sounds awesome to

1969
02:07:48,630 --> 02:07:52,350
Dave Jones: God Almighty people
are wow

1970
02:07:52,859 --> 02:07:55,829
Adam Curry: so if you boost like
100,000 Set baller boost you

1971
02:07:55,829 --> 02:07:58,739
give you give the host a shock I
like that idea

1972
02:08:00,300 --> 02:08:03,690
Dave Jones: this needs to be
rigged up so whatever that that

1973
02:08:03,690 --> 02:08:05,460
six podcast was the

1974
02:08:07,080 --> 02:08:09,030
Adam Curry: whatever it was,
yeah, court

1975
02:08:10,380 --> 02:08:11,580
Dave Jones: What's that lake
Courtney?

1976
02:08:11,670 --> 02:08:13,830
Adam Curry: Oh, I forgot her
name. Yeah, what I'm talking

1977
02:08:13,830 --> 02:08:17,310
about the one that the one that
never got to value for value for

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02:08:17,310 --> 02:08:17,730
real?

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02:08:18,240 --> 02:08:21,300
Dave Jones: No, no, no, no Karen
for mere mortals he on boarded

1980
02:08:21,300 --> 02:08:23,430
Adam Curry: her. Yeah, but is
she still doing it?

1981
02:08:23,729 --> 02:08:27,509
Dave Jones: Yes, she had a she
boosted in. Oh two pod news

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02:08:27,509 --> 02:08:30,599
weekly reviews saying that she's
digging the boosts she's getting

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02:08:30,599 --> 02:08:31,199
through fountain

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02:08:31,229 --> 02:08:33,959
Adam Curry: Oh, I stand
corrected. I didn't was that

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02:08:33,959 --> 02:08:37,859
today on partners weekly review.
Yeah. Oh, I haven't. I haven't

1986
02:08:37,859 --> 02:08:40,679
heard that. I haven't gotten to
the corner yet. Booster gram

1987
02:08:40,679 --> 02:08:43,769
corner corner shows and that guy
hadn't heard it yet. Okay, good.

1988
02:08:43,769 --> 02:08:46,319
Well, thanks. Um, thank God I'm
so happy that's good news. Yeah,

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02:08:46,349 --> 02:08:47,699
we're gonna get her shot caller

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02:08:50,310 --> 02:08:53,700
Dave Jones: again soon yeah,
yeah. In the Forex at no agenda

1991
02:08:53,700 --> 02:08:59,070
social.com. Sent to pod verse
sent 4884 says boom. Thank you

1992
02:08:59,070 --> 02:09:05,040
for your music. Thank you. Boom.
Do you Borlaug? 11,711 SATs, the

1993
02:09:05,040 --> 02:09:08,670
pod verse. No, no, thank you
Borlaug and the delimiter There

1994
02:09:08,670 --> 02:09:13,290
he is. Comic Strip blogger
30 3015 through fountain. He

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02:09:13,290 --> 02:09:17,160
says, How to gringos Adam and
Dave. Here's a treat for your

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02:09:17,160 --> 02:09:20,640
listeners. under the radar. A
fun snappy podcast on Apple

1997
02:09:20,640 --> 02:09:24,480
software.
development@www.relay.fm forward

1998
02:09:24,480 --> 02:09:27,270
slash radar posted by two
millionaires.

1999
02:09:29,640 --> 02:09:31,680
Adam Curry: Wow, can't wait.
Okay.

2000
02:09:32,430 --> 02:09:34,410
Dave Jones: That one caught me
off guard, hosted by two

2001
02:09:34,410 --> 02:09:37,740
millionaires, Marco Arment of
Tumblr and overcast fame and

2002
02:09:37,740 --> 02:09:41,310
David Smith, creator of the
viral widget Smith app. It's a

2003
02:09:41,310 --> 02:09:44,760
delightful 30 minute digital
snack. Never longer than 30

2004
02:09:44,760 --> 02:09:46,620
minutes. Yo CSB

2005
02:09:46,740 --> 02:09:51,390
Unknown: golf extra blog. Thank
you.

2006
02:09:51,720 --> 02:09:53,940
Adam Curry: Thank you CSB.
Wonderful. How about some

2007
02:09:53,940 --> 02:09:54,570
monthlies?

2008
02:09:55,080 --> 02:09:57,390
Dave Jones: Oh, we got some
monthlies. We got four of them

2009
02:09:57,510 --> 02:10:00,900
we got Trevor at Z Nora Limited
is five dollars. Thank you Trev

2010
02:10:00,900 --> 02:10:07,470
or Paul Erskine $11.14 Thank you
Paul. Michael Goggin $5. Thank

2011
02:10:07,470 --> 02:10:10,890
you, Michael and Charles current
$5. Thank you, Charles. That's

2012
02:10:10,890 --> 02:10:11,370
our group.

2013
02:10:11,399 --> 02:10:13,859
Adam Curry: Yes. Thank you all
so much. Let me check the tally

2014
02:10:13,859 --> 02:10:16,469
coin real quick. I checked it
earlier, but I don't think

2015
02:10:16,469 --> 02:10:20,939
anything is in there because we
do have two spots on the podcast

2016
02:10:20,939 --> 02:10:23,249
index.org website. If you go
down to the bottom, you'll see

2017
02:10:23,249 --> 02:10:26,729
two red donate buttons, one for
your Fiat food and fun coupons

2018
02:10:26,729 --> 02:10:29,459
as for PayPal, the other one for
your on chain if you want to

2019
02:10:29,459 --> 02:10:33,089
send that to us. And of course,
what we really recommend is go

2020
02:10:33,089 --> 02:10:36,929
to podcast apps.com Get a modern
podcast app that does your

2021
02:10:36,929 --> 02:10:40,739
boosting. That gives you boost
to Graham's get one if you want

2022
02:10:40,739 --> 02:10:43,409
if you want to participate in
this show with some of the music

2023
02:10:43,409 --> 02:10:47,699
stuff. With has the what do we
call it? Do we we just call that

2024
02:10:47,699 --> 02:10:50,609
value time splits doesn't remote
item. I mean, we need to

2025
02:10:51,029 --> 02:10:54,269
something new some marketing. We
need a marketing term for it.

2026
02:10:54,269 --> 02:10:54,659
You know?

2027
02:10:55,559 --> 02:10:57,719
Dave Jones: Because light lit
that's a great marketing term.

2028
02:10:57,719 --> 02:10:57,839
It

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02:10:57,840 --> 02:11:04,170
Adam Curry: is good. Well lit at
times news. VTS sounds like some

2030
02:11:04,170 --> 02:11:08,670
kind of venereal disease. Yes,
the gun Korea but you are not

2031
02:11:08,670 --> 02:11:11,160
just supporting this podcast,
you are really supporting the

2032
02:11:11,160 --> 02:11:14,460
entire project. We got the whole
podcast index.org

2033
02:11:14,460 --> 02:11:18,360
infrastructure, you help our
tables. Our deletion structure,

2034
02:11:18,360 --> 02:11:21,780
you help our if you heard about
the aggregators, and of course

2035
02:11:21,780 --> 02:11:25,440
we put all of the Satoshis we
receive right on to podcast

2036
02:11:25,440 --> 02:11:29,400
index.org The node, which we are
happy to open up a channel to

2037
02:11:29,400 --> 02:11:32,130
you for any kind of liquidity,
anything you want. And any other

2038
02:11:32,130 --> 02:11:35,610
experiments we're doing. Thank
you so much for supporting us.

2039
02:11:35,910 --> 02:11:39,150
You just send back what you get
out of it. That's what it is.

2040
02:11:39,600 --> 02:11:42,720
You can send it in time, talent,
treasure, treasure is needed.

2041
02:11:42,720 --> 02:11:45,480
But the time and talent is just
as appreciated. Thank you for

2042
02:11:45,480 --> 02:11:49,590
supporting his here at
podcasting. 2.00 Somerset

2043
02:11:49,590 --> 02:11:52,620
Dave Jones: lit splits. I like
the list. Split splits. Ooh,

2044
02:11:52,620 --> 02:11:53,220
that's nice.

2045
02:11:53,250 --> 02:11:54,870
Adam Curry: I like that a lot.
Yeah,

2046
02:11:55,500 --> 02:11:58,320
Dave Jones: when I come back
from vacation, I would like to,

2047
02:11:59,010 --> 02:12:03,750
I would like to go through the
tags that we have so far. This

2048
02:12:03,750 --> 02:12:08,310
is a proposal border. All right.
I would like to go through the

2049
02:12:08,310 --> 02:12:12,000
tags one by one, maybe not every
single one. Because some some

2050
02:12:12,000 --> 02:12:14,910
don't really need a lot of
discussion. But at least I would

2051
02:12:14,910 --> 02:12:20,280
like to go back through these.
And I feel like there needs to

2052
02:12:20,280 --> 02:12:23,880
be some discussion around each
one of these tags, and how to

2053
02:12:23,880 --> 02:12:34,410
make sure that we are properly
wiring these up correctly. I'm

2054
02:12:34,410 --> 02:12:37,830
not sure exactly how to explain
it. What I'm saying is like, the

2055
02:12:37,830 --> 02:12:42,150
spec exists. And we have
software using the tags. And now

2056
02:12:42,150 --> 02:12:48,780
platforms using the tag, things
are happening. And I want to

2057
02:12:48,780 --> 02:12:54,750
make sure that we do an overview
of each and understand if we're

2058
02:12:54,750 --> 02:13:00,090
putting these things together
properly in in making them work

2059
02:13:00,120 --> 02:13:01,230
as they should

2060
02:13:02,760 --> 02:13:04,530
Adam Curry: call it a platform
review.

2061
02:13:05,550 --> 02:13:07,980
Dave Jones: Ooh, ooh, a PR P

2062
02:13:09,330 --> 02:13:11,850
Adam Curry: everything's an
acronym. If Life's worth living,

2063
02:13:11,850 --> 02:13:13,260
it's worth acronym. Ising.

2064
02:13:14,160 --> 02:13:20,250
Dave Jones: Yeah, it's because I
feel like for a good example,

2065
02:13:20,250 --> 02:13:23,010
this cast ematic Franco trying
to implement,

2066
02:13:23,580 --> 02:13:25,410
Adam Curry: make sure it works
for everybody. Yes, we

2067
02:13:25,410 --> 02:13:27,930
Dave Jones: gotta mate. Yeah, we
gotta walk through this and see,

2068
02:13:27,930 --> 02:13:32,370
okay, here's the funding tag.
What is what do we expect to be?

2069
02:13:32,400 --> 02:13:35,700
What was this thing created for?
Here's how these apps are

2070
02:13:35,700 --> 02:13:40,230
implementing it. Whatever it is,
can it be linked to other apps?

2071
02:13:41,040 --> 02:13:45,420
Excuse me? Can it be linked to
other tags? I feel like we just

2072
02:13:45,420 --> 02:13:49,860
need to do a systematic review
at a PR and figure out where

2073
02:13:49,860 --> 02:13:53,580
we're at. We make sure that
everybody's on like that because

2074
02:13:53,700 --> 02:13:57,420
I need to know this stuff, too.
Cuz I'm about to implement I

2075
02:13:57,420 --> 02:14:01,020
gotta go back and implement
phase six tags in party time. I

2076
02:14:01,050 --> 02:14:04,740
don't even have them yet. Pod
fans kicking my ass. I don't

2077
02:14:06,570 --> 02:14:09,870
Adam Curry: have more more tags
than we do. Yeah, Mama

2078
02:14:09,870 --> 02:14:10,410
Dave Jones: loser.

2079
02:14:12,450 --> 02:14:14,280
Adam Curry: Winner Dave Jones.
You're a winner.

2080
02:14:14,609 --> 02:14:15,689
Dave Jones: You're a winner.
You're

2081
02:14:15,690 --> 02:14:19,020
Adam Curry: a winner. All right,
dude, enjoy your vacation. Can

2082
02:14:19,020 --> 02:14:19,950
you tell us where you're going?

2083
02:14:20,490 --> 02:14:23,640
Dave Jones: Yeah, we're going to
Southern California to Sequoia

2084
02:14:23,640 --> 02:14:24,420
National Park. Oh, I

2085
02:14:24,420 --> 02:14:26,880
Adam Curry: was gonna say nice.
Sequoia. Have you ever been?

2086
02:14:27,360 --> 02:14:31,170
Never been? It's beautiful. It
is. I mean, California for all

2087
02:14:31,170 --> 02:14:35,010
its weirdness is beautiful
nature. No doubt about it. One

2088
02:14:35,010 --> 02:14:36,630
of the most beautiful parts of
the country.

2089
02:14:37,260 --> 02:14:41,280
Dave Jones: I'm hoping that when
I look on the heat map, I see

2090
02:14:41,280 --> 02:14:46,170
this little like an oasis of not
a million degrees and I'm hoping

2091
02:14:46,170 --> 02:14:47,280
that that's where that's where

2092
02:14:47,280 --> 02:14:49,920
Adam Curry: you're gonna be. It
will be much cooler there you'll

2093
02:14:49,920 --> 02:14:51,720
see it'll be much okay. I'm
hoping

2094
02:14:51,719 --> 02:14:52,559
Dave Jones: altitude helps us.

2095
02:14:52,769 --> 02:14:54,899
Adam Curry: Remember everybody
next week we will have a live

2096
02:14:54,899 --> 02:14:57,989
show will not be podcasting 2.0
boardroom it will be the

2097
02:14:58,019 --> 02:15:00,989
inaugural episode of The boosted
grandpa All I hope you all show

2098
02:15:00,989 --> 02:15:04,349
up. And until then, chatroom,
thank you very much everybody

2099
02:15:04,349 --> 02:15:06,599
listening. Have yourselves a
great weekend. Dave Have a great

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02:15:06,599 --> 02:15:08,189
weekend brother and have a great
vacation.

2101
02:15:08,639 --> 02:15:11,909
Dave Jones: You too, man. Mr.
Gamble,

2102
02:15:12,689 --> 02:15:16,259
Adam Curry: crank it up there in
the tent. We'll be back next

2103
02:15:16,259 --> 02:15:18,569
week everybody with the bush
brown ball See you then

2104
02:15:33,750 --> 02:15:37,620
Unknown: you have been listening
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Adam Curry: go to podcast. I'm
excited. Wow. Powerful