Episode 140: Shim Theory

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Adam Curry: podcasting 2.0 for
July 7 2023, episode 140 shim

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theory

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Well, Hello once again it's
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gentlemen, I'm Adam curry in the
heart of the Texas Hill Country

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and Alabama, the man you can
find it in both Latin and non

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Latin serve. Say hello to my
friend on the other end. Mr.

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Dave Jones.

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Dave Jones: Total cluster today
just like cluster. Yeah,

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everything is everything that
could go wrong has gone wrong

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today.

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Adam Curry: Oh, I'm sorry. What?
What? What is the problems? I

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Dave Jones: usually go. I
usually do show prep before.

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Before I go to work. Okay. Yeah.
On Fridays, because you know,

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the day jobs on Fridays are
hard. Sure. I get it. But this

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morning, I wake up and
immediately have a call from the

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office.

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Adam Curry: Oh, I hate those
those mornings. You know, that's

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not good. What wasn't working?
What wasn't working? What three,

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Dave Jones: three hours later, I
finally get it solved in just

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like okay, I've now got a
scramble. It's yeah, it's just

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been it's been like that whole
day. It's just been that kind of

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stuff.

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Then I was trying to prep a clip
for the show. I got one of them.

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But I had another one that I
wanted. And I had to resort to

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recording do a screen recording
on it because I was on a

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different machine than usual.
And God Almighty I could not get

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this thing converted to mp3. I
finally just gave up. I mean,

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like it was like 1228 And I'm
like eff this. I gotta go the

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show how I mean, what are you
using to do conversions? How

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hard can that be? I was on a Mac
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Adam Curry: Nuff said Nuff said
Mac, please. I used to be such

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an apple boy. I was so I love
Mac's I defended them

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everything. Man I have the
original Newton I stood in line

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for it. I was a junkie until
they screwed up my USB audio

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interfaces. That's when I got
pretty mad and then they screwed

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up Final Cut Pro. That's when I
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Dave Jones: It's a disaster. The
Mac is a disaster. Everything

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that you want it especially when
they do when they went to Apple,

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you know their own processors.
Yeah. It's just so well I live

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in theory, I lived

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Adam Curry: through the Motorola
to Intel switch that was

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actually an interesting period.
They had that really funky

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laptop, the black one with kind
of the rubbery feel to it. And

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yeah, and then that was their
whole thing is like, Oh yeah,

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we're gonna have all the
operating system for work and

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Dave Jones: I hate Macs with a
passion. And the only reason I

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have them at home it was a
conscious decision on my part. I

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was like, Okay, I'm gonna work
my day. And my, my day job work

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is 100% windows. On on the user
side, its own server side. It's

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a mix of lots of stuff, Linux
windows, you know, but on the

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user side is totally windows.
But these kids coming out of

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college. They all go through
college with MAC's Yeah, a lot

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of them Yeah, yeah. In them when
they get into when they get into

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the workforce, they switch to
Windows but they still have

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Mac's at home. So we started
getting like all these people

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that were connecting when they
when they VPN to work they were

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doing it from a Mac Yeah. So I'm
like okay, we we need to be able

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to troubleshoot Mac so I'd use
the I made the decision I'm like

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I'm gonna force myself to use a
Mac at home so I can have the

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knowledge to help these people
and I'm about done with that.

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I'm so tired of this and I'm not
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Adam Curry: interesting you know
my my daughter's here visiting

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with her boyfriend slash fiance.

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Dave Jones: Oh, yes, yes, yes.
Yeah. Congratulations and

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getting to see her Yeah,

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Adam Curry: well it took them
three days to get here with

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canceled flights misconnections
it was quite a quite a

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nightmare. Especially because
it's all happening during no

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agenda. I'm getting right he's
literally calling me from the

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customs you'd like they're gonna
send me to the little room

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unless I can prove you know that
I haven't returned. Little room

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is not good. When you come into
the country people I've been

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there the little room is not
fun. But he's a he's a producer

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and he uses Windows. He's like
now he's I gave up on Mac a long

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time ago he said all the all the
pro producers that are not all

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that's not correct. But a lot of
the big ones They've all moved

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to Windows for Ableton Live and
stuff like that. And they've

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just done with Mac they they
don't like the expense. They

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don't like the problems. It's
really it's quite interesting

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how Apple's A Of course they
have the mobile market. I guess

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Hello Dave Yeah, I don't hear
you.

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Dave Jones: Am I gonna there you
are weird Yeah, what happened? I

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don't know.

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Adam Curry: You're streaming
video again aren't you?

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Dave Jones: Yeah but that's been
going for a while.

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Adam Curry: Whenever something's
wrong I always blame OBS

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Dave Jones: there was no OBS
this time I did I did get C I

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have h top running so I can make
sure that I'm not frozen that if

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if as long as the bar graphs are
changing I know I'm not I'm not

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I'm not in a boot situation

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Adam Curry: state of affairs
when you have to have each top

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running and know that you're on
the air. something inherently

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wrong about that.

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Dave Jones: You're like Dave
Dave

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Adam Curry: let's start off
today with the bang I was

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reliably informed that today is
the second anniversary of the

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booster gram which just started
Yes Two years ago on this date

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and I believe the first official
booster gram was sent from curio

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caster if I'm not mistaken.

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Dave Jones: What was the first
official booster gram?

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Adam Curry: Oh, you know, we
should not we should know what

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it actually is. I don't know
what the what the text was of

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the first booster gram. Oh,
that's huh. I should know that.

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I guess. Maybe we should
immortalize this Yeah, we need

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to know that. Yeah, maybe So
Steven became me posted in the

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chat room while we play our
celebratory booster gram jingle

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the very best remember this one
is

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I will lose them across the land

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die there it is. Let me see. It
was Sir Chad Pharaoh who? Who

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said today it was to what was
it? I'm hoping someone can find

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out but I was Wait a minute.
Wait, Steven. Steven B has a

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link here it is what was the

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Dave Jones: first Don't click it
Don't click it.

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Adam Curry: Oh no. Here it is.
value m sat 1000 M sat so cheap

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boost message sent from curio
caster tip jar colong Really?

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I've changed Oh can I can't see
that. Oh, I've changed my mind

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so much. I can't even trust it.
My mind changed me so much. I

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can't even trust myself. Wow,
that's a very much like a Mary

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Had a Little Lamb kind of thing.

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Dave Jones: Oh, yes. Cuz

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Adam Curry: I love that it
actually says message sent from

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curio casters. Tip Jar. Wow, I
squash that pretty quick. Didn't

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I?

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Dave Jones: can tell that's old.

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Adam Curry: And so we've gone
from this

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Dave Jones: is fantastic. This
is like, yeah, we need to make

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an NFT out of this.

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Adam Curry: And ordinals Sure.
Everyone knows Yes. I'm gonna

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put this I want to put this into
the into the show notes. So we

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can immortalize that.

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Dave Jones: Do you find that so
fast? Stephen? Oh, my gosh. I

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mean, this is from 2021.

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Adam Curry: Isn't that cool? was
first was the Grammys it

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actually from the date? Is it
from from the actual date to

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July 7 20. Oh, wow. How cool is
that? Well, so today, I just

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view how we've moved ahead in
two short years. scissors are

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sharp, no rounded edges today.
Steven B changed everything.

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Cool. Yeah, he changed
everything. He took out the most

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of the production elements of
the value time split from

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sovereign feeds, which he felt
was getting kind of messy. And

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so he moved all of that to a
tight integration with the split

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kit. So now you you operate your
live? Well, basically all your

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splits, and certainly the live
stuff all from the split kit. So

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there are two things with this,
which was kind of interesting.

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The first one was this work that
he had done, rendered sovereign

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feeds inoperable Wednesday night
was trying to post curry in the

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keeper. Like, okay, and and, you
know, it's

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Dave Jones: always good to
always get the signal from you,

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hey, you know, Steven bass
number,

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Adam Curry: and no one has his
number. And I always forget to

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ask for his number. You know,
it's like,

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Dave Jones: genius on his part,
by the way. Great, great call.

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Adam Curry: I can't say I can't
say it's a bad thing. You know,

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I'm posting on Twitter. I'm
posting DMS everywhere I'm

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sending an email like, this
thing's broken. It's really when

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when the interface just is
completely non responsive. Do

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you click and nothing happens
it's, you know that you don't

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know if it's you if it's your
browser or if it's DNS, you

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know, go it was OBS, you go
through all these things like

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now and that's definitely and
then I remembered that he had

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made this change like Okay, so
that's probably where it came

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from. So today I kind of had to
learn split kit and he has a

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tutorial. And this thing does a
lot. It really you can build

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blocks, you can search songs,
you can do it, you can do the,

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you know, the songs can be in a
playlist. There's so much to

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them. I was a little
overwhelmed. Just getting it all

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set up, but I think it's
working. We'll know because we

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are guests. One of our guests
has chosen the song for today.

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But also I am very excited
because it looks like we have

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some massive movement in the
remote item. Value time split

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arena where you and I have both
seen a demo from a fountain of

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how fountain when I don't want
to give it away because you

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obviously Oscar wants to
surprise everybody with the

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ideas that he has. But wow, it's
it's I really love what he's

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done. Hold on second. If someone
vacuuming? No, no, I think it's

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I think it's a mind. Vacuum now
she's now she's sleeping. Very

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interesting way of implementing.
What am I hearing now? I hear

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feedback. Yeah, no, yeah, no,
someone is literally vacuuming

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like, you know, I do so many
podcasts that just don't give a

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crap anymore to

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Dave Jones: every podcast. We've
never live, this is

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Adam Curry: true. Anyway, a very
interesting way of surfacing

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remote items as they pertain to
value time splits. Really very

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focused. Well, not just focused
on music, but it'd be really

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interesting a very cool
implementation for music. And,

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and along with that, you know,
Austin has been talking to the

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wavelength guys and so now
they've gotten a fire under

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there but all of a sudden, and
there have you seen any any

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action from them, but they
putting stuff into the index? or

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what have you seen from them? I
saw a blog post from them guys

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saw that too. Yeah, that's what
I saw. How do you interpret the

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blog post

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Dave Jones: and interpret it as
they are getting getting geared

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up? Like they're, they're
getting ginned up and ready to

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you know, I mean, like, like
that they feel that they feel

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like things have come along or
about to come along to a point

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where they want to go full, full

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Adam Curry: bore, like Yeah,
that's that's the feeling I got

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Dave Jones: I know that that's
not very clear. No,

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Adam Curry: I think it's that
they are possibly considering

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doing configurable splits, maybe
maybe not.

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Dave Jones: did say that they
said that in the blog post that

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that's on there. Right that
that's on their roadmap. Yeah.

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Adam Curry: In addition to that,
I think they're going to use

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people tag tag. And you know, so
I'm getting ready now because

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you know, I said what I think so
we have pod freight curio caster

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pod friend pod vers pod versus
value time split now I think

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right? It's it's still in beta
is that being full full blown

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mode?

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Dave Jones: Pod verse is I don't
know if he released it yet.

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Adam Curry: Okay. We'll have
found and all this coming this

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month I think by the end of the
month, so I'm getting my music

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show ready. And I'm very excited
about this um, you know, coming

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up with you know, go back and
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initially said I'll do the wave
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keep it a little more open.
Yeah, I agree. Because we have

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all kinds of people who will be
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through Ellen, Ellen beats etc.
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to I want to talk to you about
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were both busy man they really
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hear it now. Mixtures vacuum
cleaners are you at a hotel? I

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think someone is using a drill
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what they're doing out there.
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also I saw what contracts is
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wallet, but now they're really
becoming a you know, they're

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they're marketing themselves as
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to grow your podcast. They
tweeting out stuff like short

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and practical advice to increase
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listeners, you can onboard. So
they they have, they have access

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to the Partner API. And they
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podcasts into value for value.
And I really like what they're

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doing. That mean just the, you
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way, they are filling a void
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know, like, just adding features
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hosting company, you know, a lot
can go wrong, you can screw up a

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lot of feeds, you know, I
understand you have to be kind

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of careful with stuff like that.
So I'm like Lipson literally

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can't afford it. I mean, I
interview today with the interim

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CEO, he doesn't expect to do any
real 2.0 namespace tags until

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2024, because of market
conditions, so IE, they don't

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have the money, which is sad.
And I thought it was sad to hear

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that. Yeah. But they're
considering AI. Thank God.

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Dave Jones: Market conditions
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Adam Curry: No, evidently not.
So this is what I've always

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thought would be cool. I see.
IPFS podcasting. Now. You know,

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if you if you put a 1% split in
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they'll pin you, they'll scan
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to use this kind of, I've always
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podcast creator API. You know,
you don't really need to do

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anything, but just have to know
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Dave Jones: Yes, the plug is the
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plug in podcast, API. Exactly.
Yeah. You just plug somebody in

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Adam Curry: are working.
Exactly. I love it. Now. Here's

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what I want to talk to you
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biggest. I would say the biggest
opportunity for music is we've

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talked about this before
SoundCloud. And SoundCloud does

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not enable their RSS feeds by
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with enclosures. If you do a
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you'll just do for SoundCloud.
You'll see a lot of results. I

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don't know how many, but there's
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a lot. So in this whole
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presumably has already has an
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an RSS feed. And whether that's
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let's just say SoundCloud

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because that's truly what I'm
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to an artist, hey, click this
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dashboard, that turns on your
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everybody can pretty much do
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have already done it, then go to
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case, I'll use fountain as an
example. Fountain will onboard

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them will onboard them with the
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currently. And then give someone
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say this is music. And that
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index to set the medium equals
music tag. I know it's a Shem

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but I think it would blow
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Dave Jones: yeah,

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Adam Curry: the enthusiasm is so
much I have to backup so doesn't

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splatter me in the face.

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Dave Jones: Man, I don't like
the shim part. I mean, I know

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what you're saying because we
went down this route with with

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Adam Curry: write but I see the
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Dave Jones: why like? Yeah, yes,
no, I see what you mean. And I

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see what you mean because your
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Adam Curry: we're not asking for
any remote information. We're

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not hosting anything. All we're
doing is setting a bid in our

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database. Right just and that
would be I guess the only way to

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do it unless you know people
start bugging their their

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hosting companies like
SoundCloud to make that a

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feature.

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Dave Jones: See that? That's
what I that's what it should be

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on the obvious. I mean, let's
just go again say that I mean

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that they should have an option
there absolutely, absolutely.

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Make this music in the feed
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Shem theory.

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Adam Curry: Title. You know what
I mean? Yeah.

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Dave Jones: We need a shim
theory this here under these

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circumstances. It's an under
certain under conditions. X X Y

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and Z. That's when you shim Yes,
yes, if x y if x, y or z do not

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obtain don't shim.

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Adam Curry: So the the reason
why I thought this was, we have

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not come up with a shim theory
yet. The reason why I thought

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this was acceptable is because
this is an onboarding

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specifically to enable value for
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doesn't work unless the medium
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there's so there would not be a
different way to do it, we

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wouldn't just give everybody the
opportunity to set that only if

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you go through an onboarding
process, you know, I guess, in

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theory, podcast or wallet, but I
don't think anybody will do

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that, because of the podcasts or
moniker. But this on the

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onboarding part, is the same for
hosting companies. They're not

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going to do this for a long
time. Because they're not set up

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to host music. They're not. They
are not, it's, you know, because

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it's not just flipping a bit for
them. It's setting a whole new

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path, writing a whole writing
new language, and to have

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contracts or Well, blueberry, I
think would probably do it. You

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know, blueberry would would
probably with the WordPress

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plugin would probably create the
secondary path, I would imagine.

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Seems like that's a logical
partner to do this. Because you

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can self host it, you don't
necessarily need, you know, you

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don't necessarily need big
hosting, so you can get a very

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inexpensive hosting plan. It's
really, it's really the setting

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of the bid for someone who's
serious about monetizing their

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music. That's, that was my hope.
I understand your apprehension.

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You are in fact speechless for a
moment that doesn't happen

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often.

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Dave Jones: So yeah, I mean,
Steven B says it ends up hurting

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wavelike, who's already hosting
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that's true, too.

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Adam Curry: Well, hold on it.
Did. I mean, did the shim not

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hurt other people who set up
value blocks?

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Dave Jones: Well, the shim
exists, like the shim existed

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before the shim existed before
anybody did vote me like it

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literally was the true truth
strap. And so that that

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continued, because it was very
for a long time, because it was

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almost impossible. Honestly, we
could probably get rid. At this

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point. We almost could get rid
of podcasts or wallet.

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Adam Curry: Yeah, no, I'm in
total agreement. But before we

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go, talking about that, the four
to eight minutes. I mean, the

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difference here is we we really
don't have a big pool. I'm going

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to be able to do five, five
episodes of my show. And I'm out

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of wavelengths songs. I gotcha.
Yeah. And if I'm, if I know I

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can do it, because if I do a
call out to everybody, if you

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want this to happen, go to wave
legs. I think that's just as

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dangerous as saying all your
wallet should be Albie, because

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we're going to it's all going to
bite us in the ass, believe me,

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I'll be will go down, there will
be an incredible crisis. It's

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all it's you can you know what's
gonna happen? I'm not trying to

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manifest. But this, this will
happen. So we need this

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diversity. And I'm not sure
where the dystopia guys are. I

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don't see anything from them.
Honestly, that's coming into the

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index yet.

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Dave Jones: There's some there's
some stuff here. There's some

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Adam Curry: Anyway, why it's so
interesting, because I think

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that we're at the point where,
if you think about the Okay,

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let's go back to my original
premise. If you think about the,

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the podcast or plugin, labs now
have the ability to offer so

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many more features, through, you
know, the basically plugging in

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lightning splits, that they will
far surpass what hosting

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companies can never do to make
any sense. Yeah, so the only

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thing this is going to hurt all
hosting companies long term

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because they're just slow. And,
you know, like, I see Buzzsprout

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who of course, we love
Buzzsprout, the one of the first

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to implement almost every
everything that was important to

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us. But they focus on very
different things. And they're

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focusing on their subscriptions
and advertising and that you

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don't really hear them, you
know, yeah, from time to time to

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talk about value for value. But
then they're, they're never

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really going to be focused on
it. And I think if we, and

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maybe, maybe that maybe this is
where shim theory comes in. Now,

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because no one's really set up
for the A documentaries or film

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or any of the other medium tags,
and they're just going to be

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lingering there. Because, you
know, we've seen that we so

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since we implemented the medium
tag for music, we really only

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have one, one outfit that's
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Dave Jones: Another another not
opposed to shim, I'm just I want

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to make sure that you can shim
and vary in different places,

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and an own make sure that the
shim happens at the proper at

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that at what we would all
consider to be the proper place

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graders like, which

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Adam Curry: is why I said it
would be like podcast or wallet

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or through the because that's
where the original Shem was put.

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Dave Jones: Right? Yeah. So
there's this is there's a few

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different ways you can do. You
could do this, like initially,

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it's going to be very much a
trickle. I think we can agree

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with that. Right? I mean, we're
gonna get there's not a whole

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there's not music is not
flooding into the podcasting.

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Adam Curry: But this is, okay.
This is why I'm suggesting it

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because I believe that if I can
say you can self host through

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music side project, you can use
Wave Lake, and I don't know

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where wave Lake is with their
splits, you know, they I saw the

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blog post. I'm not sure what
this topia is doing. But if I

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can say, Oh, you already have
the music on on SoundCloud.

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Click this bit, go into this go
into this app, whichever one it

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is, I'm going to use fountain as
an example. Because you know,

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they're they're going to do they
will be ready to do this. And

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there you can set up your splits
your wallet and and make sure

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your music is discoverable as
playable music in the index. I

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think I think that actually will
create a lot of music coming

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into the index.

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Dave Jones: Couldn't they just
like, Okay, you take the amount

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lunch bumper, I'm gonna play
devil's advocate. Sure. So you

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have that amount of work,
whatever, you know, X amount of

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work this is that you just
described is that that actually

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probably is not that much more
work, or the workload is not

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probably much different than if
you just grabbed your music and

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re uploaded it to wave Lake.

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Adam Curry: No. Well, yes,
that's correct. And I can

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certainly do that is wavelength
prepared for that? Do we want to

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put it all onto one host? Do we
want to make it will they have

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I'm not a big fan? Or dystopia?
I mean, I see nothing from

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dystopia.

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Dave Jones: There's stuff in
there. I'm looking at a feed

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right now. I mean, it's got a
place got the medium tag in its

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there is to me, we've I don't
think they've been they haven't

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been as vocal about it as as
wave Lake. But I mean, it is.

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I'm just thinking, if if we if
you start if you start doing a

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music show, and in then you know
it because like, Okay, well, if

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you want your music here, you're
gonna have to take grab your 25

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tracks, that you upload it to
SoundCloud.

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Adam Curry: Absolutely, I don't
think it's the same amount of

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work. But I absolutely agree
that that is a perfectly good

438
00:28:26,940 --> 00:28:30,210
path for people to go down. I
was just trying to make it a

439
00:28:30,210 --> 00:28:36,540
little faster. And bigger with
more because people it I truly

440
00:28:36,540 --> 00:28:38,760
believe it's easier for people
to say, Oh, I have to do this,

441
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:43,980
this and this. I already have
everything up. Now, it's a new

442
00:28:43,980 --> 00:28:47,430
feature, which I think would
ultimately I mean, the

443
00:28:47,430 --> 00:28:50,160
alternative is I just go and
bitch and moan about SoundCloud

444
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:53,880
every single day. I mean, it's
fine. But I just want more, I

445
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:59,700
just want more music, I will
need more music. And, and so I

446
00:28:59,970 --> 00:29:03,780
understand if the Shem has not
if if it's not desirable, I

447
00:29:03,780 --> 00:29:07,080
understand that and I am not
going to fight to the death for

448
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:11,190
it. But I just thought it was
because I'm so so high on the

449
00:29:11,190 --> 00:29:15,630
whole idea of the podcast or
plugin, you know, of stuff being

450
00:29:15,630 --> 00:29:21,330
enabled by me, you know, adding
a split or doing something in an

451
00:29:21,330 --> 00:29:25,560
app and not necessarily my
hosting company. Because just as

452
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:28,830
I can't rely on any other
hosting company, except you

453
00:29:28,830 --> 00:29:33,840
know, the one or two that are
just starting, and I'm not a fan

454
00:29:33,870 --> 00:29:38,100
of the of the wave Lake non
split system right now. And I

455
00:29:38,100 --> 00:29:39,180
think they have work to do.

456
00:29:39,900 --> 00:29:41,190
Dave Jones: They did for sure.
Yeah.

457
00:29:41,430 --> 00:29:43,620
Adam Curry: Where's that system
is already set up. And maybe

458
00:29:43,620 --> 00:29:46,800
they can implement the API, the
Partner API and get it going

459
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:48,270
quick. I mean, that'd be
fantastic.

460
00:29:49,980 --> 00:29:52,140
Dave Jones: The point I was
starting to make a while ago

461
00:29:52,140 --> 00:29:57,390
about how this would be a
trickle initially, is I don't

462
00:29:57,390 --> 00:30:04,410
mind instead of creating A a
shim mechanism in the Partner

463
00:30:04,410 --> 00:30:12,600
API. You know, where I wonder if
it's enough to just say, you

464
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:18,150
know, okay, you, you onboard
yourself through, be a fifth of

465
00:30:18,150 --> 00:30:23,340
a fountain or whatever, and then
just let us know. And when wolf

466
00:30:23,460 --> 00:30:27,210
flipped the bid for you, and I
just put it in it, and it's it's

467
00:30:27,210 --> 00:30:31,380
manual initially. And just to
get the thing off the ground,

468
00:30:31,410 --> 00:30:34,200
Adam Curry: why would now
that's, that seems like a worse

469
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:38,700
idea to me. Okay. I mean, why
would we be flipping the bid for

470
00:30:38,700 --> 00:30:41,670
people? We know, I mean,

471
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:44,760
Dave Jones: I'm concerned about
it. I guess my bigger concern

472
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:50,670
about the shimming is that once
you create, once you create

473
00:30:50,670 --> 00:30:58,200
this, it's very fuzzy when you
turn it. Dave, Dave Winer has as

474
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:03,180
good advice here, you know, he
always said, he always said you

475
00:31:03,180 --> 00:31:07,710
never take a feature away.
Right? You're you always add,

476
00:31:07,710 --> 00:31:09,720
you don't want it, but you got
to be careful what you add,

477
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:13,500
because you, you don't, not that
you can't take it away. But you

478
00:31:13,500 --> 00:31:16,590
should never, you know, quote
unquote, should never take it

479
00:31:16,590 --> 00:31:21,690
away, because people become
dependent upon it. And if we

480
00:31:21,690 --> 00:31:27,240
have, if we put that feature in
theirs, I don't ever want to be

481
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:29,460
in the position where we have to
announce that we're going to

482
00:31:29,460 --> 00:31:35,100
take something away. And we I
don't know, it just this, this

483
00:31:35,100 --> 00:31:37,830
is the same. I don't know.

484
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:41,880
Adam Curry: We don't need an
answer, per se right now.

485
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:49,890
Dave Jones: I'd rather have some
real I would rather really push

486
00:31:50,790 --> 00:31:55,230
like this. If you've if you've
uploaded your stuff to

487
00:31:55,230 --> 00:31:58,500
SoundCloud, and it's music like
it's actually music.

488
00:31:58,620 --> 00:32:01,080
Adam Curry: Yeah. Which I think
is 99%.

489
00:32:01,590 --> 00:32:05,370
Dave Jones: And you and you give
a crap about it. Like meaning

490
00:32:05,370 --> 00:32:09,210
that you meaning that you care,
you didn't just upload a couple

491
00:32:09,210 --> 00:32:12,510
of tracks five years ago and
don't and don't think about it

492
00:32:12,510 --> 00:32:17,310
anymore. Like if you're if
you're an active participant in

493
00:32:18,390 --> 00:32:23,190
in getting your music out there
for people to hear. And you've

494
00:32:23,190 --> 00:32:27,930
managed to upload it to
SoundCloud. If you're probably

495
00:32:27,930 --> 00:32:34,080
pretty. I mean, you're probably
technically sufficient enough to

496
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:37,740
also throw that thing up on wave
Lake. He got to be I mean, like,

497
00:32:37,740 --> 00:32:39,780
it's got you got to be Yeah, no,
I

498
00:32:39,780 --> 00:32:42,420
Adam Curry: mean, no, I mean, no
disagreement, but I just don't

499
00:32:42,420 --> 00:32:44,940
like the idea of relying on one
company.

500
00:32:45,420 --> 00:32:48,090
Dave Jones: I don't either.
Yeah, we need to we need at

501
00:32:48,090 --> 00:32:51,960
least two. Like, I'll talk to
the Asha. Talk to the dystopia

502
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:55,170
go, we need to have more than
podcasts anyway, we need to do

503
00:32:55,170 --> 00:32:57,420
that forever. Like, I can reach
out today.

504
00:32:57,450 --> 00:33:01,410
Adam Curry: No, sure. We're
Devin, I am being very clear

505
00:33:01,410 --> 00:33:04,800
about it. I would like to get
everyone on SoundCloud to be

506
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:09,780
able to be available for playing
in podcast. That's, that's truly

507
00:33:09,780 --> 00:33:13,770
what you know. So there's people
who are already in the index,

508
00:33:13,770 --> 00:33:17,220
and they can't be played on
podcast because they don't have

509
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:21,870
the music bitset I can find him
and I can find some. But it's

510
00:33:21,870 --> 00:33:24,150
not the same thing. They're not
you know, they don't show up in

511
00:33:24,150 --> 00:33:27,510
the split kit. You know, this,
all these things don't work

512
00:33:27,510 --> 00:33:32,220
without the medium equals music
set. That that's that's really

513
00:33:32,220 --> 00:33:37,740
the you know, and there's ways
around it. Right now, the music

514
00:33:37,740 --> 00:33:43,350
business is in a very, like in a
dead zone. People are

515
00:33:43,350 --> 00:33:46,890
disillusioned by Spotify, that
you know, what's happening is

516
00:33:46,890 --> 00:33:50,910
they're, they're going to noster
honestly, if anything, I feel

517
00:33:50,910 --> 00:33:54,150
like we're fighting noster
because and you know, people Oh

518
00:33:54,150 --> 00:33:56,640
Nasir is a great place to go.
And then you know, they get some

519
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,970
kind of zap or whatever. And
they're going to end they're

520
00:34:00,390 --> 00:34:03,180
going to miss all the all the
beauty and all the marketing of

521
00:34:03,180 --> 00:34:07,620
what we're doing. And of course,
I've had lots of people on board

522
00:34:07,620 --> 00:34:10,980
through wave Lake already, you
know, in anticipation and I've

523
00:34:10,980 --> 00:34:13,350
got people out there who were
telling people to go to wave

524
00:34:13,350 --> 00:34:20,670
Lake, right? I just want to
create a revolution by making it

525
00:34:20,670 --> 00:34:23,790
something that people already
have and upgrading it for them

526
00:34:23,820 --> 00:34:27,780
and not doing it. The honestly,
to me it feels like the more we

527
00:34:27,780 --> 00:34:31,530
can't we don't do with the
hosting companies do better.

528
00:34:32,430 --> 00:34:37,590
Because they're just slow. They
just don't get stuff done. And I

529
00:34:37,590 --> 00:34:42,420
don't want to do it as as as
podcasts index. But you know,

530
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:45,000
there are even people who are
doing apps who are saying hey,

531
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:49,620
why would I just become a
hosting company? Which I which I

532
00:34:49,620 --> 00:34:55,290
definitely advise against?
wavelength will go through the

533
00:34:55,320 --> 00:35:01,530
me already there's there's songs
on there. See SoundCloud has a

534
00:35:01,530 --> 00:35:05,820
lot already figured out mainly
the legality. And my biggest

535
00:35:05,820 --> 00:35:09,150
fear, didn't really want to i,
this almost sounds like

536
00:35:09,150 --> 00:35:12,300
manifesting when we just talk
about it. My biggest fear is you

537
00:35:12,300 --> 00:35:18,210
get songs that are covers, etc.
And they're gonna get in

538
00:35:18,210 --> 00:35:20,940
trouble. It's gonna be it's
gonna get in trouble. Of course,

539
00:35:20,940 --> 00:35:23,910
you can't you can't do cover
songs. You can't, you can't. You

540
00:35:23,910 --> 00:35:28,200
can't just publish cover songs
without proper without, you

541
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:31,860
know, without proper licensing
and going through the proper

542
00:35:32,460 --> 00:35:37,290
institutions. And that's
something that SoundCloud has

543
00:35:37,290 --> 00:35:39,660
figured out a long time ago. So
wave Lake will go through the

544
00:35:39,660 --> 00:35:43,020
growing pains, and as well as
anyone who does this from from

545
00:35:43,020 --> 00:35:43,680
the get go.

546
00:35:44,190 --> 00:35:46,920
Dave Jones: Well, you know, one
thing that we did when Alex and

547
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:54,210
I did the the long, multiple
months of AI, detailer, machine

548
00:35:54,210 --> 00:36:00,090
learning detection of music in
the index, what we saw was that,

549
00:36:00,870 --> 00:36:06,750
yes, there's tons of music on
SoundCloud. But so much of it is

550
00:36:06,750 --> 00:36:14,670
like, remix. It's like, House
Trance music type, where it's

551
00:36:14,670 --> 00:36:18,660
just the it'll be like one
track. And I'm not denigrating

552
00:36:18,660 --> 00:36:22,590
and saying this is not valid. I
mean, it's just fine. But it'll

553
00:36:22,590 --> 00:36:26,250
be but there's just so much of
the same type of thing. That's

554
00:36:26,250 --> 00:36:31,260
like one track. That's 30
minutes of just do. I mean, you

555
00:36:31,290 --> 00:36:35,040
like, and I don't know, that
it's not that that's not valid.

556
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:37,110
That's not what that's not the
point I'm making. The point I'm

557
00:36:37,110 --> 00:36:39,990
making is I don't think you can
make a show out of that.

558
00:36:40,650 --> 00:36:44,940
Adam Curry: Well, where you need
to get out more. This is not

559
00:36:44,940 --> 00:36:48,450
your kind of not mine. No, no, I
agree. But not my kind of show.

560
00:36:48,450 --> 00:36:51,420
But this is I'm listening to
what Kevin's doing here. He

561
00:36:52,230 --> 00:36:57,120
that's, you know, that's that's
his music. And so I can't you

562
00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:59,580
know, that almost goes back to
what is a podcast, you know,

563
00:36:59,580 --> 00:37:02,490
what, should we just cut off a
cast? Because this shit? We

564
00:37:02,490 --> 00:37:04,800
don't always we don't we don't
consider it a show.

565
00:37:05,969 --> 00:37:08,999
Dave Jones: I'm not really
trying to not make that type of

566
00:37:08,999 --> 00:37:12,209
argument, I guess. Because I'm
thinking about, that's just not

567
00:37:12,209 --> 00:37:14,489
the type of show I don't I don't
think that's the type of show

568
00:37:14,489 --> 00:37:15,419
you want to make.

569
00:37:15,630 --> 00:37:18,090
Adam Curry: No, no, I don't. But
I know that there's going to be

570
00:37:18,090 --> 00:37:20,700
other people who will there's
going to be people who are doing

571
00:37:20,700 --> 00:37:25,110
entire five hour dance party
podcast, why not? You know, and

572
00:37:25,110 --> 00:37:28,110
they're just mixing all of those
different tracks together. I'll

573
00:37:28,110 --> 00:37:30,300
tell you what, why don't we Why
don't we bring in some other

574
00:37:30,300 --> 00:37:32,580
board members and get their
opinion on this. These people

575
00:37:32,580 --> 00:37:36,930
are very smart. I agree. I think
it's time to bring in our board

576
00:37:36,930 --> 00:37:41,580
members. They are very major
podcasting 2.0 contributors.

577
00:37:41,820 --> 00:37:44,520
We'd like to say hello to the
two men who are currently

578
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:50,010
working with Dave on the pier to
plug in no agenda tube we

579
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:53,520
welcome into the podcast and
Tupelo boardroom Alex gates and

580
00:37:53,520 --> 00:38:00,000
Don Kimberlin known as airhead.
Hello, gentlemen. Hey, all

581
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:04,980
right, weigh in. You've been
listening. paladin, Alex, you

582
00:38:04,980 --> 00:38:05,670
always have something

583
00:38:06,869 --> 00:38:10,199
Unknown: just to weigh in. On
the last point. I have a buddy.

584
00:38:11,219 --> 00:38:14,519
Actually, the official detox
music guy, he wants to do a

585
00:38:14,639 --> 00:38:19,829
dance party show, usually value
free value. So he's actually big

586
00:38:19,829 --> 00:38:24,029
into sancha, too. So I mean,
maybe get him to talk to them

587
00:38:24,029 --> 00:38:26,549
and modify their RSS feed. So
you don't need the shame in the

588
00:38:26,549 --> 00:38:27,119
first place.

589
00:38:27,449 --> 00:38:28,739
Adam Curry: He has poor with I

590
00:38:30,150 --> 00:38:32,040
would say as poor that he's a
customer.

591
00:38:33,330 --> 00:38:37,830
He pays 20 bucks a month. I
mean, that would obviously be

592
00:38:37,830 --> 00:38:40,710
the way to go. But we've talked
about it. You know, we've we've

593
00:38:40,710 --> 00:38:43,950
sent out messages. I mean, I
don't know if they're, if

594
00:38:43,950 --> 00:38:47,250
they're, I mean, to me, it's
like I don't even know how

595
00:38:47,250 --> 00:38:52,410
they're surviving. SoundCloud. I
don't know, I have no idea what

596
00:38:52,410 --> 00:38:56,550
they're doing. I don't know
anybody there. I do remember

597
00:38:56,550 --> 00:38:59,970
them putting RSS feeds in and
calling themselves a podcast

598
00:38:59,970 --> 00:39:02,310
company when it was really hip
to do so.

599
00:39:04,980 --> 00:39:08,310
Dave Jones: Yeah, and, you know,
there's also we forget about

600
00:39:08,310 --> 00:39:09,780
band camp as well. Yeah.

601
00:39:09,810 --> 00:39:12,600
Adam Curry: I mean, well,
obviously, this would work for a

602
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:16,950
whole bunch of already existing
music services. That's, that's

603
00:39:16,980 --> 00:39:20,280
so I'm not just talking about
SoundCloud, but the capability

604
00:39:20,490 --> 00:39:23,940
for someone who is a musician to
say I want to do this. I've

605
00:39:23,940 --> 00:39:26,580
already put it into that they
have to, they have to have an

606
00:39:26,580 --> 00:39:30,210
RSS feed with enclosures, they
have to put it into the index.

607
00:39:30,540 --> 00:39:33,960
But then once you're serious
about value for value, that's

608
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:38,700
one you have the opportunity to
set the flip the bit that that

609
00:39:38,700 --> 00:39:40,920
was my idea. I don't know Alex,
do you have thoughts?

610
00:39:44,489 --> 00:39:47,249
Alecks Gates: Yeah, I mean the
execution there's no issue issue

611
00:39:47,249 --> 00:39:47,609
there.

612
00:39:49,409 --> 00:39:52,019
Adam Curry: Sophocles, perfectly
as clearly one. Yeah, I

613
00:39:52,020 --> 00:39:55,950
Unknown: think attribution like
even if you're not into the

614
00:39:55,950 --> 00:40:01,320
whole Dj Mix that thing, just
attribution to songs is a big is

615
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:04,590
a big issue. And that's why,
like, if you do a DJ set on

616
00:40:04,590 --> 00:40:06,810
Spotify, you can't just publish
the whole thing, you have to

617
00:40:06,810 --> 00:40:11,310
divide it into a whole album
playlist and, and give credit to

618
00:40:11,310 --> 00:40:14,490
all the different artists that
are part of that mix. So

619
00:40:14,550 --> 00:40:17,550
Adam Curry: now I'm talking more
about that the concept of a Shem

620
00:40:17,550 --> 00:40:21,090
for the medium tag your thoughts
on that? Oh,

621
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:28,860
Unknown: well, I don't know how
valuable would be without the

622
00:40:28,860 --> 00:40:31,680
value for value and integration.
And I think we can do that

623
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:37,290
automatically. They would be
good to have the information to

624
00:40:37,290 --> 00:40:40,110
reach out to artists. But
that's,

625
00:40:41,070 --> 00:40:42,360
Adam Curry: I'm not quite sure
what you're saying?

626
00:40:42,900 --> 00:40:46,740
Unknown: Well, it would be good
to just understand just to have

627
00:40:46,740 --> 00:40:50,670
the data there, even if, even if
it's not all value value, but it

628
00:40:50,670 --> 00:40:53,040
would limit what you can do with
it without the value value

629
00:40:53,070 --> 00:40:54,090
automatically. One

630
00:40:54,570 --> 00:40:58,290
Adam Curry: was okay, my
specifically my proposal is, if

631
00:40:58,290 --> 00:41:03,510
you want, you can put your stuff
in the index. And preferably

632
00:41:03,510 --> 00:41:07,020
that would be if it's music, you
want to find a way to make that

633
00:41:07,470 --> 00:41:11,130
music. But if you want to put
your existing music that's on an

634
00:41:11,130 --> 00:41:15,120
RSS feed into the index and
value for value, that then the

635
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:19,050
Partner API would have the
capability for setting the

636
00:41:19,050 --> 00:41:25,290
medium tag in the index so that
it can be used with value time

637
00:41:25,290 --> 00:41:30,660
split. So it's a philosophical
idea of us creating a shim for

638
00:41:30,660 --> 00:41:34,080
people who want value for value
enabled music and don't have

639
00:41:34,110 --> 00:41:35,940
that available at their host.

640
00:41:38,820 --> 00:41:40,470
Unknown: That's that's a hard
one.

641
00:41:40,500 --> 00:41:42,210
Adam Curry: Yeah, that's why
that's why we asked you the hard

642
00:41:42,210 --> 00:41:42,930
question, brother.

643
00:41:42,989 --> 00:41:47,549
Unknown: Yeah. I mean, if, if
they have to opt into it? Yeah,

644
00:41:47,549 --> 00:41:52,349
I don't see the issue. I mean,
it'd be, it'd be just one step

645
00:41:52,349 --> 00:41:56,609
below moving to wavelet. And
some of that might be in both

646
00:41:56,609 --> 00:41:58,319
wave like in SoundCloud as it
is.

647
00:41:59,130 --> 00:42:02,610
Dave Jones: Well, Nathan G said
in the chat. He's like, in this

648
00:42:02,610 --> 00:42:06,540
goes back to something that you
envisioned that the whole reason

649
00:42:06,540 --> 00:42:10,440
really you made the remote item
tag. Initially, Alex was he

650
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:13,890
said, Nathan said, What about a
service that generates a new RSS

651
00:42:13,890 --> 00:42:17,160
feed filled with remote item
tags, pointing to SoundCloud

652
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:19,920
feeds medium equals music and
his own pay for Facebook is an

653
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:24,030
interesting idea. Yeah, I mean,
you could you could, you could,

654
00:42:24,930 --> 00:42:29,190
you know, Brett, you can make
make a synthetic feed that does

655
00:42:29,190 --> 00:42:30,510
what we want it to do,

656
00:42:30,540 --> 00:42:34,530
Adam Curry: which I'm not a big
fan of in general. But it right,

657
00:42:34,530 --> 00:42:37,620
it can do it. But you know, then
you get into the what was the

658
00:42:37,620 --> 00:42:41,340
damn service called? Feed burner
feed burner? Yeah.

659
00:42:42,540 --> 00:42:45,360
Unknown: Well, and one issue
with that is yes, you can do

660
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:49,230
playlists that way. But I would
not recommend doing play it like

661
00:42:49,230 --> 00:42:53,520
a remote item that points to
another playlist isn't supposed

662
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:56,280
to have a remote item with a
good if you don't, I mean,

663
00:42:57,270 --> 00:43:01,350
because there would just be a
whole mess. So I mean, you could

664
00:43:01,350 --> 00:43:03,450
pull it off, but I would not
recommend it.

665
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:09,870
Dave Jones: It could also be in
podcast or wallet, I guess. They

666
00:43:09,870 --> 00:43:12,150
could go claim their feed and
then set the bit themselves

667
00:43:12,150 --> 00:43:12,600
there

668
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:15,059
Adam Curry: was not the same as
doing it to the Partner API.

669
00:43:15,810 --> 00:43:19,710
Dave Jones: Yeah, yeah, it is.
It is, as this I keep going back

670
00:43:19,710 --> 00:43:21,870
to this idea of I don't want to
make people dependent on things,

671
00:43:21,870 --> 00:43:25,440
you know, like, I did it for the
value for value, because it's

672
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:29,100
literally like nobody, nobody's
ever going to do it. But we're

673
00:43:29,100 --> 00:43:33,570
so I guess my trepidation was
we're so close to the medium

674
00:43:33,570 --> 00:43:37,560
tag. And it's such a simple tag
that I feel like with a little

675
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:45,120
bit of like, you know, marketing
or or, or, you know, selectively

676
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:49,080
applied pressure, that, that we
might be able to flip out and

677
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:52,410
get somebody to just do this
thing. Like, it is such a simple

678
00:43:52,410 --> 00:43:56,280
thing to do. It's not an
overwhelming hurdle to jump over

679
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:59,340
like it was with the right value
tag where you had to learn

680
00:43:59,340 --> 00:44:02,640
lightning and implement nodes
and this kind of stuff. That's

681
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:03,570
true. That's true.

682
00:44:03,990 --> 00:44:09,060
Adam Curry: I mean, I'm with you
on that. I'm with you. I think

683
00:44:09,150 --> 00:44:12,600
that's a whole bunch of things
came in succession for me, where

684
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:14,550
I heard this really
disappointing interview with the

685
00:44:14,550 --> 00:44:17,940
interim CEO of Lipson saying,
you know, well, market

686
00:44:17,940 --> 00:44:22,800
conditions don't allow us to add
any more namespace tags until

687
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:26,280
2024. I'm like, holy crap, how
bad is it?

688
00:44:27,119 --> 00:44:29,819
Dave Jones: That doesn't make
that that's just weird. No,

689
00:44:29,819 --> 00:44:30,089
maybe

690
00:44:30,090 --> 00:44:34,260
Adam Curry: it was bullcrap. I
don't know. Mark and also and

691
00:44:34,260 --> 00:44:37,590
also, you know, we just, you
know, we have these apps coming

692
00:44:37,590 --> 00:44:40,290
online, but we have to proceed
we have another problem or

693
00:44:40,290 --> 00:44:43,830
another challenge, I should say.
Is right now pretty much the

694
00:44:43,830 --> 00:44:47,340
only feed generator that does
this stuff is sovereign feeds.

695
00:44:48,300 --> 00:44:53,850
So there's a whole nother issue.
You know, and and we're well

696
00:44:53,850 --> 00:44:56,940
it's not true. We the split kit
kitten takes care of a lot of

697
00:44:56,940 --> 00:45:02,250
it. I don't know So we're we're
kind of we're almost in a

698
00:45:02,250 --> 00:45:04,860
chicken in the egg situation,
but we do have some eggs, I just

699
00:45:04,860 --> 00:45:05,670
don't want to break them.

700
00:45:06,420 --> 00:45:10,560
Dave Jones: But Alice is anybody
publishing music on no agenda to

701
00:45:14,159 --> 00:45:16,619
Unknown: the rubbish. But the
problem is there's no medium

702
00:45:16,619 --> 00:45:20,489
equals music without extending
that in some manner.

703
00:45:21,389 --> 00:45:22,139
There is

704
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:25,559
Adam Curry: what you say done.

705
00:45:26,250 --> 00:45:29,850
Dave Jones: Oh, the lightning
plugin does supplied an RSS feed

706
00:45:29,850 --> 00:45:33,570
that allows you to set the music
tag, I've got a couple bands set

707
00:45:33,570 --> 00:45:37,770
up self hosted already peer
tube, and you can listen to him

708
00:45:37,770 --> 00:45:41,700
on ln beats, they show up
properly, still need to do some

709
00:45:41,700 --> 00:45:45,150
refinement on the mp3
information and encoding

710
00:45:45,180 --> 00:45:49,260
optimally for audio only. But
we're most of the way there,

711
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:51,660
Adam Curry: well, why don't we
do this? Why don't we table

712
00:45:51,660 --> 00:45:59,280
this. And, you know, fountain is
definitely going to target

713
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:05,490
artists to, to onboard them.
And, you know, for now, they'll

714
00:46:05,490 --> 00:46:08,100
point towards, you know,
whatever's there. So that would

715
00:46:08,100 --> 00:46:13,860
be wave, Lake dystopia, self
hosting, music side project,

716
00:46:13,860 --> 00:46:18,480
which, you know, Steven B has
open source, which is great, but

717
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:24,030
I really would recommend against
anybody who is not prepared to

718
00:46:24,030 --> 00:46:29,550
deal with all the logistics and
legalistic of hosting music to

719
00:46:29,580 --> 00:46:32,070
start a business with that,
because that can be you know,

720
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:39,450
overbearing i i wouldn't do it.
And then help here too. But I

721
00:46:39,450 --> 00:46:42,540
mean, just when maybe what you
say is marketing, which we're

722
00:46:42,540 --> 00:46:43,290
really good at?

723
00:46:45,150 --> 00:46:45,870
Dave Jones: Yeah, yeah.

724
00:46:47,670 --> 00:46:50,850
Adam Curry: We're great at
marketing. Maybe we just let the

725
00:46:50,850 --> 00:46:53,460
market well, we just let the
market ride and see how wave

726
00:46:53,460 --> 00:46:57,600
like does, I'm just impatient,
honestly, I just see this whole

727
00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:00,360
universe of people who want to,
we want to do it, and we just

728
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:01,380
have to go find him.

729
00:47:02,159 --> 00:47:05,699
Dave Jones: But when fountain
that's the thing is we're fat

730
00:47:05,999 --> 00:47:11,879
fountain is where the Bitcoin
people live, is like that's,

731
00:47:11,909 --> 00:47:14,999
that's where they're going to
live for. So when fountain comes

732
00:47:14,999 --> 00:47:18,059
out on that side of thing, and
when fountain comes out of the

733
00:47:18,059 --> 00:47:22,559
gate, with with support for
this, then people will

734
00:47:22,559 --> 00:47:27,359
understand what's required. And
that that really may move some

735
00:47:27,359 --> 00:47:31,409
blockers on the needle Samba, if
we wait until if we will wait

736
00:47:31,409 --> 00:47:34,829
and see. If it doesn't move the
needle very much, then we can

737
00:47:34,829 --> 00:47:39,659
always do the shim and just say,
and just let everybody know from

738
00:47:39,659 --> 00:47:42,719
the beginning, hey, this is very
temporary, please understand

739
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:47,009
this is gonna go away as soon as
there's as soon as we have, you

740
00:47:47,009 --> 00:47:51,359
know, more than one player here,
right? I mean, like, we could

741
00:47:51,359 --> 00:47:53,759
just be very upfront and say,
Please don't depend on this

742
00:47:53,759 --> 00:47:55,289
being around for the next 10
years.

743
00:47:56,550 --> 00:47:59,850
Adam Curry: or anything for that
matter. What right might not be

744
00:47:59,850 --> 00:48:02,820
around for 10 more years, it'll
be almost 70 Are you kidding me?

745
00:48:06,420 --> 00:48:11,370
I'll tell you what, we have a
lot to talk about with with Alex

746
00:48:11,370 --> 00:48:14,610
and Don about the peer to plugin
about the stuff you guys are

747
00:48:14,610 --> 00:48:17,790
doing with streaming and I
actually have a couple questions

748
00:48:17,790 --> 00:48:21,690
myself as it pertains guy and
I'm delighted to hear that the

749
00:48:21,690 --> 00:48:26,220
plugin will do. Man Don, you are
making a lot of noise brother.

750
00:48:28,530 --> 00:48:37,020
Sorry. public shaming, just like
who is that? I'm looking at the

751
00:48:37,020 --> 00:48:42,330
meters like it's done. Should we
play this? We played the

752
00:48:42,330 --> 00:48:45,870
requested song first just so we
can get the scissors out of the

753
00:48:45,870 --> 00:48:49,260
way. Let me see if this is the
split kit works. Let's play a

754
00:48:49,260 --> 00:48:51,630
song so people can even
understand what we're talking

755
00:48:51,630 --> 00:48:55,350
about. Yeah, now let's do it.
Alex, you wanted to tell us

756
00:48:55,350 --> 00:48:59,970
about your choice I chose right
in progress. Although uh now I'm

757
00:48:59,970 --> 00:49:03,780
kind of sad because you actually
mentioned the other guy there

758
00:49:03,780 --> 00:49:05,100
with the techno song.

759
00:49:05,759 --> 00:49:08,849
Unknown: Oh, that's well that's
okay. Yeah, there is a I heard

760
00:49:08,849 --> 00:49:12,359
this and it reminded me as the
first or second time I was on

761
00:49:12,359 --> 00:49:15,329
the show, when you were playing
Rage Against the Machine in the

762
00:49:15,329 --> 00:49:19,379
pre show and it just gave me the
kind of vibe so that's why I

763
00:49:19,379 --> 00:49:19,799
picked it.

764
00:49:20,130 --> 00:49:23,100
Adam Curry: Well, for those of
you who are listening if you are

765
00:49:23,100 --> 00:49:28,080
not listening in pod friend or
curio caster and perhaps pod

766
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:31,470
verse, please switch for this
and boost these guys after the

767
00:49:31,470 --> 00:49:34,320
fact or go back and listen to
the show again, because it

768
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:37,980
really makes a difference when
when musicians see Satoshi

769
00:49:37,980 --> 00:49:42,120
showing up and they start to get
value it really sparks something

770
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:45,660
and gets them really excited. So
here we go. Hopefully everything

771
00:49:45,660 --> 00:49:50,250
switches automatically I now
have activated the riot in

772
00:49:50,250 --> 00:49:55,710
progress. Value block by
request. This is heads up a

773
00:49:55,710 --> 00:49:57,180
podcasting 2.0

774
00:50:07,109 --> 00:50:07,799
See

775
00:50:15,420 --> 00:50:16,320
Unknown: always do

776
00:50:22,949 --> 00:50:23,519
Adam Curry: face

777
00:50:31,980 --> 00:50:32,640
Unknown: it again

778
00:51:13,980 --> 00:51:38,370
right to see this through the
live show no to it again

779
00:52:18,900 --> 00:52:26,010
Dave Jones: ACL is being used
you?

780
00:53:43,739 --> 00:53:47,069
Adam Curry: RIGHT IN PROGRESS
heads up here on podcasting 2.0

781
00:53:47,069 --> 00:53:52,079
that works quite well and split
kid automatically defaults back

782
00:53:52,079 --> 00:53:54,989
to the podcast or block after
the song is over Nice.

783
00:53:55,469 --> 00:54:00,689
Dave Jones: Oh yeah cuz it ended
immediately like the artwork

784
00:54:00,689 --> 00:54:01,169
went back

785
00:54:01,199 --> 00:54:03,779
Adam Curry: that is sexy man I
liked that and I was looking at

786
00:54:03,779 --> 00:54:09,389
the heli pad and Steven B was
boosting from the split kit even

787
00:54:09,389 --> 00:54:13,529
though I didn't publish anything
so I guess he knew but I guess

788
00:54:13,529 --> 00:54:18,509
he knows how to get that and it
comes in as heads up so it shows

789
00:54:18,509 --> 00:54:22,169
me the title yeah that's very
cool and I saw you boosted Dave

790
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:29,370
Dave Jones: I did nice the Eric
PP has been making pull requests

791
00:54:29,370 --> 00:54:33,870
on Hello Pat he's he's changing
some stuff so Oh, yeah, I'm

792
00:54:33,870 --> 00:54:36,180
really appreciative of that.
He's He's going in there he's

793
00:54:36,270 --> 00:54:38,670
he's making the making things
better.

794
00:54:39,690 --> 00:54:43,530
Adam Curry: I am I'm by the way
I'm taking suggestions for the

795
00:54:43,530 --> 00:54:48,150
name of the music show. Oh, if
anyone has any boosts that to

796
00:54:48,150 --> 00:54:52,110
me. And I'm going to get started
pretty soon I'm probably going

797
00:54:52,110 --> 00:54:55,740
to start before fountain comes
out so I can kind of get my feet

798
00:54:55,740 --> 00:54:58,560
wet and get it going and I'm not
quite sure I'm going to have an

799
00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:01,800
idea of what I want to do but I
I want to do a variety of music.

800
00:55:02,310 --> 00:55:05,490
And not in you know, not just
the wavelength top 10. But

801
00:55:05,700 --> 00:55:08,760
there's other stuff I want. And
I actually I'd love to be able

802
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:12,570
to get music from all different
hosts. So everyone gets a little

803
00:55:12,570 --> 00:55:15,660
piece of the action, a little
piece of the fun. So it'll be

804
00:55:15,660 --> 00:55:18,660
like podcasting. 2.0, for value
for value music.

805
00:55:20,219 --> 00:55:24,209
Dave Jones: Are you? So are you
going to do this? What What kind

806
00:55:24,209 --> 00:55:25,919
of schedule Are you going to be
on? You're just going to do it

807
00:55:25,919 --> 00:55:29,459
whenever you get enough stuff in
the hopper, I'd like to,

808
00:55:29,699 --> 00:55:33,389
Adam Curry: I'd like to do it
weekly. But my rule is always

809
00:55:33,389 --> 00:55:36,179
you got to do it weekly, you got
to do it more or less the same

810
00:55:36,179 --> 00:55:40,199
day more or less the same time?
That's, that's what I'm hoping

811
00:55:40,199 --> 00:55:42,689
for. Because I need more
podcasts in my life.

812
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:44,820
Dave Jones: To date. I mean,
daily source code was not

813
00:55:44,820 --> 00:55:47,670
regular for a long time. And you
still had tons of listeners.

814
00:55:47,670 --> 00:55:48,120
Yeah, that's

815
00:55:48,119 --> 00:55:50,369
Adam Curry: true. That's true.
But I and I considered just

816
00:55:50,369 --> 00:55:53,309
resurrecting daily source code.
But that feels wrong. For some

817
00:55:53,309 --> 00:55:57,359
reason. Just this is new. This
is a new thing. It definitely

818
00:55:57,359 --> 00:56:00,089
won't be daily that will just
confuse people. It always did.

819
00:56:00,599 --> 00:56:06,119
Yeah. Anyway, I'm excited. I'm
very excited about this stuff.

820
00:56:06,119 --> 00:56:09,749
And it's going to unleash a
whole new category of

821
00:56:09,749 --> 00:56:14,339
podcasting, podcast hosts will,
will want to be a part of this.

822
00:56:14,909 --> 00:56:17,279
And I would say, you know, look
at Sovereign feeds for an

823
00:56:17,279 --> 00:56:20,219
example or split kit. Really,
we're really just integrate with

824
00:56:20,219 --> 00:56:23,699
split kit. I mean, that thing is
it's pretty mature. I mean, it

825
00:56:23,699 --> 00:56:27,479
takes a minute to figure it out.
But it's got groovy icons, and

826
00:56:27,479 --> 00:56:31,169
you know, it's got a it's got a
real UI that you know, that.

827
00:56:31,619 --> 00:56:34,769
Yeah, makes sense. And it
integrates with the index for

828
00:56:34,769 --> 00:56:37,949
the music that's available a
minute and for for someone who

829
00:56:37,949 --> 00:56:42,119
just wants to do a music
podcast, or other things. It's

830
00:56:42,149 --> 00:56:46,049
it's in there. So maybe they
would only have to really

831
00:56:46,049 --> 00:56:49,619
integrate with split kit. Just
take those parameters for your

832
00:56:49,709 --> 00:56:53,159
remote valid remote item, I
guess. Is that is that the way

833
00:56:53,159 --> 00:56:53,669
it works?

834
00:56:54,420 --> 00:56:57,900
Dave Jones: Yeah, yeah. And we,
in order to make this more

835
00:56:57,900 --> 00:57:03,810
palatable. For apps, though, we
need some sort of solution for

836
00:57:03,810 --> 00:57:05,400
this socket issue.

837
00:57:05,790 --> 00:57:08,010
Adam Curry: Well, that's for the
live stuff for the live stuff.

838
00:57:08,190 --> 00:57:09,030
Right? Yeah,

839
00:57:09,030 --> 00:57:11,160
Dave Jones: man. But I mean,
that's, I feel like a live event

840
00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:14,190
I live is a big component of
this. Oh, you're gonna have a

841
00:57:14,190 --> 00:57:15,690
lot of people want to listen
live?

842
00:57:15,720 --> 00:57:19,500
Adam Curry: Yeah, that's where
you get the boost to? Yeah, if

843
00:57:19,500 --> 00:57:22,620
you if you really want to do
some value for value, you do it

844
00:57:22,620 --> 00:57:26,430
live. People love live shows.
It's just the fact they love it.

845
00:57:26,430 --> 00:57:28,980
They love the pew pew, which I
turned off during the songs.

846
00:57:28,980 --> 00:57:29,370
Hello.

847
00:57:31,530 --> 00:57:37,950
Dave Jones: Alex, what? Like, do
you have any? Do you have any

848
00:57:37,950 --> 00:57:41,220
strategy for that on no agenda
tube as far as like how you're

849
00:57:41,220 --> 00:57:46,020
going to communicate, you know,
changes with the with the value

850
00:57:46,020 --> 00:57:48,810
time split? I guess just
WebSocket? Or what are your

851
00:57:48,810 --> 00:57:49,350
thoughts there?

852
00:57:50,219 --> 00:57:55,979
Unknown: Yeah, we'll probably so
Stephens got a experimental tag

853
00:57:56,009 --> 00:58:00,449
in his in the sovereign feeds
feed already. It's like live

854
00:58:00,449 --> 00:58:03,689
values. I don't remember what it
is exactly. But it's, it's using

855
00:58:03,689 --> 00:58:08,129
the Socket IO, Socket IO
protocol. And we'll probably

856
00:58:08,129 --> 00:58:10,319
just get together I've been
going back and forth with him,

857
00:58:10,319 --> 00:58:13,649
since he started will probably
just document that schema and

858
00:58:14,519 --> 00:58:20,699
implemented in in the same way.
So and that would be done via a

859
00:58:20,699 --> 00:58:23,999
plugin either either donkey with
lightning, or I'll probably make

860
00:58:23,999 --> 00:58:27,839
a podcast in 2.0 plug into for
some separate functionality. So

861
00:58:28,230 --> 00:58:30,630
Dave Jones: how do you do this?
The question really, I guess,

862
00:58:30,630 --> 00:58:34,290
for for both of you had, how do
you figure out when you have a

863
00:58:34,680 --> 00:58:38,310
when you have a function out
late? So let me try to explain

864
00:58:38,310 --> 00:58:40,380
this so that people understand
and then you can correct me if

865
00:58:40,380 --> 00:58:45,480
I'm wrong. And then I'll ask my
question. The peer tube is a is

866
00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:49,140
a sort of is a core, it provides
a bunch of core features and

867
00:58:49,140 --> 00:58:54,780
then everything additional, like
RS like RSS feeds for

868
00:58:54,810 --> 00:58:59,550
podcasting, 2.0 and the
lightning value, boosting that

869
00:58:59,550 --> 00:59:04,680
Don did all those things. It's
all plugins. So you write a plug

870
00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:09,090
in to add a new feature on top
is this pretty straightforward?

871
00:59:10,710 --> 00:59:11,700
explanation?

872
00:59:12,150 --> 00:59:14,340
Unknown: Yeah, yes or no, for
the most part, without getting

873
00:59:14,340 --> 00:59:19,830
too technical, I had to add to
upstream the RSS changes we did

874
00:59:19,830 --> 00:59:25,410
for the podcast RSS feature for
peer tube because that modifies

875
00:59:25,410 --> 00:59:28,620
some core functionality. But
what I did it in the process was

876
00:59:28,620 --> 00:59:32,880
I made it I get I give I give
plugins the ability to modify

877
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:36,180
the fields and add extra
features to which is how Dan's

878
00:59:36,180 --> 00:59:37,980
lightning plugin is adding the
value blocks.

879
00:59:38,550 --> 00:59:41,520
Dave Jones: Okay, so that's what
you upstreamed is the ability

880
00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:43,800
for plugins to make those
changes.

881
00:59:45,060 --> 00:59:47,910
Unknown: Yeah, along with it
with a default podcast RSS feeds

882
00:59:47,940 --> 00:59:51,360
that has the medium Miko video
and in the live items for live

883
00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:52,710
stream. Okay, so

884
00:59:52,710 --> 00:59:56,100
Dave Jones: now with so let me
see if I understand. So starting

885
00:59:56,100 --> 01:00:02,940
with Pierre to version 5.2. The
default RSS feed that you get is

886
01:00:02,940 --> 01:00:06,030
a better quality feed, and it's
got the median in there.

887
01:00:08,159 --> 01:00:10,499
Unknown: Yep, it's got the
medium, it's got a live item,

888
01:00:10,499 --> 01:00:15,749
it's got alternate enclosures,
which will probably expand upon

889
01:00:15,749 --> 01:00:18,329
a lot. It's also got the
activity palette for cross F

890
01:00:18,329 --> 01:00:23,069
comments. So it's got the, it's
got all the basics, you need to

891
01:00:23,099 --> 01:00:24,569
talk about packaged application.

892
01:00:25,139 --> 01:00:28,559
Dave Jones: That's excellent. So
when you have a situation like

893
01:00:28,559 --> 01:00:32,879
that, like, like, Don, when
you're looking at it thing like

894
01:00:32,879 --> 01:00:37,349
the remote, like value time
split? How do you figure out

895
01:00:37,679 --> 01:00:41,369
whether that's going to be a,
you know, something that you put

896
01:00:41,369 --> 01:00:44,369
into your plugin? Or if there's
overlap with some other plugin?

897
01:00:44,369 --> 01:00:46,409
And like, is it just a
crapshoot? Or how do you figure

898
01:00:46,409 --> 01:00:48,179
out how to put that in?

899
01:00:49,980 --> 01:00:51,990
Don Kimberlin (Errhead): I
usually just try to implement it

900
01:00:51,990 --> 01:00:55,290
first, myself. And then if
somebody else better implemented

901
01:00:55,290 --> 01:00:59,670
I move over to there and
implementation. Yeah, but the

902
01:00:59,670 --> 01:01:03,150
lightning plugin, I put in my
own RSS feed so that it would

903
01:01:03,150 --> 01:01:08,160
work better with podcasting 2.0.
And then Alex's upstream changes

904
01:01:08,160 --> 01:01:11,820
came in and I was able to just
move that into there. So we can

905
01:01:11,820 --> 01:01:15,630
start with a plugin and the
slower process for the upstream

906
01:01:15,630 --> 01:01:17,820
changes eventually will subsume
it.

907
01:01:19,290 --> 01:01:22,950
Adam Curry: Dave, maybe you can
just explain to people who are

908
01:01:22,950 --> 01:01:26,400
new to this exactly what peer
tube is when you because you've

909
01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:30,510
been I mean your knees deep in
this and and I've only scoffed

910
01:01:30,510 --> 01:01:36,510
at it. Because I love because I
love now I'm just not a video

911
01:01:36,510 --> 01:01:39,120
guy. But um, now I'm seeing that
there's a lot of cool stuff we

912
01:01:39,120 --> 01:01:41,910
could do with this not just
video, obviously, but just

913
01:01:41,910 --> 01:01:44,430
explain what's going on with it,
what the experimentation has

914
01:01:44,430 --> 01:01:48,000
been and where we're at. And so
then you can plug in Don and

915
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:49,380
Alex in that conversation.

916
01:01:50,190 --> 01:01:53,160
Dave Jones: Yeah, I mean, I'll
just I'll give a nice deep in

917
01:01:53,160 --> 01:01:58,830
using it. There, you know,
Alex's knees deep in actually

918
01:01:58,860 --> 01:02:02,310
doing the work to get the
podcast in 2.0 stuff in there.

919
01:02:02,460 --> 01:02:08,940
But I it like me peer to peer
tube is open source, self hosted

920
01:02:08,940 --> 01:02:12,030
video, you can spin up a peer
tube instance and high level

921
01:02:12,030 --> 01:02:16,200
overview here, spin up a peer
tube instance. And self host

922
01:02:16,380 --> 01:02:21,120
videos for multiple users. I
mean, it's basically YouTube at

923
01:02:21,120 --> 01:02:21,570
a bar,

924
01:02:21,600 --> 01:02:23,910
Adam Curry: what do you need to
self host? What what are the

925
01:02:23,910 --> 01:02:24,870
requirements?

926
01:02:26,429 --> 01:02:28,709
Dave Jones: I mean, just out of
the box, all you need is a

927
01:02:28,709 --> 01:02:34,889
server. But then if you have if
you are going to do it in a sort

928
01:02:34,889 --> 01:02:39,209
of a better, like more efficient
way you would do it like an

929
01:02:39,209 --> 01:02:42,509
Alex, you can explain this, you
have your setup. You could you

930
01:02:42,509 --> 01:02:46,529
can offload your HLS chunks to
object storage in and do it

931
01:02:46,529 --> 01:02:50,579
better like that. It's sort of
like having the peer tube, the

932
01:02:50,579 --> 01:02:56,069
peer to software does the
transcoding. And the UI delivery

933
01:02:56,099 --> 01:02:59,249
and that sort of thing. But then
the the content is coming from

934
01:02:59,249 --> 01:03:02,639
somewhere else sort of like the
fee sort of like serving RSS

935
01:03:02,639 --> 01:03:05,489
feed comes from the hosting
company. But maybe the enclosure

936
01:03:05,489 --> 01:03:11,399
comes from some other CDN can
you get is that fair? Alex?

937
01:03:12,780 --> 01:03:15,840
Unknown: Yeah, and that's that's
really for when you get into

938
01:03:15,840 --> 01:03:18,600
larger instances, like no agenda
to where you have a lot of users

939
01:03:18,600 --> 01:03:21,540
and a lot of video, you need to
start doing a lot of that. But

940
01:03:21,540 --> 01:03:24,240
if you're just doing this on
your own, you're just using a

941
01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:29,970
small, probably two core
gigabyte RAM VM. And you're good

942
01:03:29,970 --> 01:03:34,110
luck to mine. Yeah, yeah, even
for live streaming, it's where

943
01:03:34,560 --> 01:03:37,980
if you want to do like, if you
want multiple resolutions when

944
01:03:37,980 --> 01:03:41,700
he lies to me, alternatively p
720. P, then you need a lot more

945
01:03:41,700 --> 01:03:45,990
horsepower. And I spin up a new
VM every time every time a new

946
01:03:45,990 --> 01:03:48,900
live stream starts. So that's
technically costly, but you

947
01:03:48,900 --> 01:03:52,230
don't need that on your own. And
the idea is to build the tools

948
01:03:52,620 --> 01:03:57,150
make it easy for people to self
host. So right now if you want

949
01:03:57,150 --> 01:04:00,390
to do live streaming, no peer
tube, you just spin up a peer

950
01:04:00,390 --> 01:04:05,340
tube server and then install the
pod ping plug in which I have

951
01:04:05,340 --> 01:04:09,720
which just does the piping that
cloud integration and then if

952
01:04:09,720 --> 01:04:14,610
you want a live chat in the next
version of live chat plugin that

953
01:04:14,610 --> 01:04:17,370
will be available in the RSS
feeds and then if you want

954
01:04:18,450 --> 01:04:22,500
basically super chat support
Velious really support you and

955
01:04:22,830 --> 01:04:23,580
the lightning plugin

956
01:04:24,360 --> 01:04:28,230
Adam Curry: Alright, so is this
something that I can set mo up

957
01:04:28,230 --> 01:04:32,850
on because he's been wanting to
migrate away from YouTube Live

958
01:04:32,850 --> 01:04:35,460
and have all the same
functionality obviously with the

959
01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:43,800
with the booster grams as as the
super chat functionality? Can he

960
01:04:43,800 --> 01:04:49,110
just point me set up an account
point stream yard to no agenda

961
01:04:49,110 --> 01:04:53,250
tube and what else does he need?
Does he just need a lightning

962
01:04:53,250 --> 01:04:55,680
address that to make it all
work?

963
01:04:57,119 --> 01:05:00,659
Unknown: Yeah, lightning I mean,
nobody's obviously isora

964
01:05:01,019 --> 01:05:04,499
particularly works with you on
node two. And Don can speak more

965
01:05:04,499 --> 01:05:08,129
to that. But yeah, that's all
you should work with anything

966
01:05:08,129 --> 01:05:14,609
that produces RTMP. Which stream
yard does. So yeah, we're fine.

967
01:05:15,900 --> 01:05:19,110
Dave Jones: Yeah, I set up a guy
with a live streaming system

968
01:05:19,110 --> 01:05:23,430
with a $50 a year. EPS, it
doesn't take much nowadays. Oh,

969
01:05:23,429 --> 01:05:27,359
Adam Curry: nice. And now with
the with these streams, this is

970
01:05:27,359 --> 01:05:31,529
one of the big things. Can you
rewind? Can you go back and or

971
01:05:31,559 --> 01:05:33,809
start at the beginning? Can you
do that kind of stuff?

972
01:05:36,480 --> 01:05:40,890
Unknown: None. Yeah, it would
break some of the ways it does.

973
01:05:42,060 --> 01:05:46,650
Peer to Peer bandwidth sharing,
which, honestly, if you turn on

974
01:05:46,650 --> 01:05:49,620
low latency doesn't matter
anyway, which I think a lot of

975
01:05:49,620 --> 01:05:53,670
people are going to do. But if
you haven't, if you haven't

976
01:05:53,730 --> 01:05:57,060
saved the VA, then it will save
it just like on YouTube, and

977
01:05:57,060 --> 01:06:00,450
then on the RSS feed as well.
So.

978
01:06:02,520 --> 01:06:05,970
Dave Jones: So, Alex, when
you're the peer, that's the part

979
01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:08,670
that's one part that I that I
didn't attempt to describe as

980
01:06:08,670 --> 01:06:12,990
the peer why it's called peer to
peer to peer part of it. That's

981
01:06:13,050 --> 01:06:17,490
is that's done through Web. Web
torrent. Is that right?

982
01:06:19,050 --> 01:06:22,560
Unknown: It's a modification of
web torrent. So it's okay. Well,

983
01:06:22,830 --> 01:06:25,710
yeah, yes, I'll just say yes.
Because it's complicated.

984
01:06:28,290 --> 01:06:33,480
Dave Jones: I guess you don't
really have how often do you get

985
01:06:33,480 --> 01:06:36,630
the benefit of that? I mean, in
the real world, you would only

986
01:06:36,630 --> 01:06:36,960
really

987
01:06:36,960 --> 01:06:41,370
Unknown: get it if you're having
if you start getting hundreds or

988
01:06:41,370 --> 01:06:46,080
1000s of people. At that point,
yeah, you may or may not be

989
01:06:46,080 --> 01:06:47,430
interacting with a child much
anyway.

990
01:06:48,480 --> 01:06:52,290
Dave Jones: That p2p only really
kicks in if there's a lot of

991
01:06:52,290 --> 01:06:56,220
people watching at the same
time, which is mainly live. The

992
01:06:56,220 --> 01:07:00,780
peer to node is what really
helps with the stored videos. So

993
01:07:00,780 --> 01:07:05,040
if you're watching it, no agenda
tube animated on no agenda tube,

994
01:07:05,310 --> 01:07:09,270
you're getting like one eight,
that video data from no agenda

995
01:07:09,270 --> 01:07:13,110
tubes, object storage, and the
rest is coming from other peer

996
01:07:13,110 --> 01:07:16,320
tube servers that are sharing
that redundantly.

997
01:07:16,469 --> 01:07:20,189
Unknown: Cool. Yeah, and just to
explain some numbers here, when

998
01:07:20,189 --> 01:07:23,009
you talk about live streaming, I
think I did some numbers for

999
01:07:23,009 --> 01:07:26,009
Dave, the other day, we were
talking about Bitcoin in

1000
01:07:26,009 --> 01:07:31,529
Amsterdam, if we were to do a
traditional attendee to p stream

1001
01:07:31,529 --> 01:07:37,199
would be like 6000 kilobits per
second. That's roughly 4000

1002
01:07:37,199 --> 01:07:41,609
users without any p2p bandwidth
sharing. But what do they say?

1003
01:07:41,609 --> 01:07:44,699
That'd be like, $15 an hour? Or
something like

1004
01:07:44,700 --> 01:07:47,160
Dave Jones: that? 1350, I think
is what you said.

1005
01:07:47,429 --> 01:07:51,689
Unknown: Yeah. So the cost isn't
as high as it used to be. That's

1006
01:07:51,689 --> 01:07:54,809
what Linode object storage
costs. So it depends on their

1007
01:07:54,809 --> 01:07:55,049
layer a

1008
01:07:55,050 --> 01:07:56,100
Dave Jones: little bit higher.
Yeah.

1009
01:07:56,580 --> 01:07:58,110
Adam Curry: Yeah. But,

1010
01:07:58,590 --> 01:08:03,840
so just looking at the service,
that is no agenda tube. How do

1011
01:08:03,840 --> 01:08:07,110
you have the setup? So if
someone wants to use no agenda

1012
01:08:07,110 --> 01:08:11,250
tube for live, but also for the
recorded stuff that stays up

1013
01:08:11,250 --> 01:08:15,360
there or live in his later,
retrievable through recorded? Do

1014
01:08:15,360 --> 01:08:21,660
you have a put yourself in that
value block immediately? Or by

1015
01:08:21,660 --> 01:08:24,450
default, so that, you know
you're getting? You're getting

1016
01:08:24,450 --> 01:08:28,740
some some value for the service?
What is the I mean, I know

1017
01:08:28,740 --> 01:08:31,290
you're doing because you just
love doing it. But then if

1018
01:08:31,290 --> 01:08:34,680
someone really wants to make
this into a service, what do you

1019
01:08:34,680 --> 01:08:35,700
have set up for that?

1020
01:08:36,750 --> 01:08:40,470
Unknown: Yeah, by default, using
Don's plug in every feed, I know

1021
01:08:40,470 --> 01:08:44,100
generative has a I think it's
20%. But for no genyoutube Right

1022
01:08:44,100 --> 01:08:48,600
now, which is probably high, but
we don't really get anything

1023
01:08:48,600 --> 01:08:52,950
anyway right now. So I'm going
to lower that to if if I believe

1024
01:08:52,950 --> 01:08:56,460
it kicks off, but I'm also
considering having a separate

1025
01:08:56,460 --> 01:08:59,160
service that isn't free for
everybody. So

1026
01:09:00,690 --> 01:09:03,960
Dave Jones: yeah, that probably
makes no probably makes sense to

1027
01:09:03,960 --> 01:09:08,100
because it means that whole
thing of whenever you kick off

1028
01:09:08,100 --> 01:09:10,770
something that's free for free
forever, you know, open

1029
01:09:10,770 --> 01:09:12,960
registration, that kind of thing
is just such

1030
01:09:12,989 --> 01:09:17,369
Adam Curry: everybody always
wants. They all want. Once free.

1031
01:09:17,939 --> 01:09:20,909
Unknown: We disable open
registration, was it last year.

1032
01:09:21,239 --> 01:09:24,239
So now now you have to request
an account. So it's not just

1033
01:09:24,239 --> 01:09:25,079
something that's good.

1034
01:09:25,560 --> 01:09:28,080
Dave Jones: Yes. Yeah. Well, I
haven't heard back from the

1035
01:09:28,620 --> 01:09:32,250
email Chris over at MC one
Amsterdam, with the specs we

1036
01:09:32,250 --> 01:09:35,370
talked about, and just I was
going to get back in touch with

1037
01:09:35,370 --> 01:09:39,210
him, but he hasn't emailed me
back. So I don't know about that

1038
01:09:39,210 --> 01:09:43,410
one yet. But I mean, as far as
like it at that level, and with

1039
01:09:43,440 --> 01:09:45,960
I think he said, you know,
they're expecting roughly 1000

1040
01:09:45,960 --> 01:09:50,040
online streams. I mean, that's,
that's really not too. That's

1041
01:09:50,040 --> 01:09:54,840
really not too bad. I mean,
that's doable. From that's what

1042
01:09:54,870 --> 01:09:57,000
that's I guess what I'm trying
to say is that that's within

1043
01:09:57,750 --> 01:10:01,320
almost everybody's conference
budget. Have something of that

1044
01:10:01,710 --> 01:10:02,340
scale?

1045
01:10:03,270 --> 01:10:05,130
Adam Curry: Yeah. And if you're
doing a conference, you're

1046
01:10:05,130 --> 01:10:07,680
turning on high latency, you're
doing as much bandwidth sharing

1047
01:10:07,680 --> 01:10:09,630
as you want. Because you're
interacting. Yeah.

1048
01:10:10,859 --> 01:10:14,549
Dave Jones: That's true. Yeah,
that's true. Talk about that,

1049
01:10:14,549 --> 01:10:25,709
too, because you, you have the
you have XMPP. Now, in the, in

1050
01:10:25,709 --> 01:10:28,139
the in the rooms, is that still
only on my room as an

1051
01:10:28,139 --> 01:10:29,549
experiment? Or is that
everywhere?

1052
01:10:30,540 --> 01:10:35,250
Unknown: That is on all of nogen
YouTube live streams. But it's

1053
01:10:35,250 --> 01:10:38,760
done through the through live
chat plugin. Through a lovely

1054
01:10:38,760 --> 01:10:42,660
French developer. I think his
name is John. And he's adding

1055
01:10:42,660 --> 01:10:47,370
support for the RSS feeds in his
next version as well. So with

1056
01:10:47,490 --> 01:10:51,240
any, anyone who who live streams
will have that automatically

1057
01:10:51,240 --> 01:10:52,230
under generative and

1058
01:10:53,160 --> 01:10:55,110
Dave Jones: we need to finalize
that then.

1059
01:10:55,769 --> 01:10:57,329
Unknown: Yeah, yeah.

1060
01:10:58,680 --> 01:11:02,130
Adam Curry: What apps what? That
of course, the using the web

1061
01:11:02,130 --> 01:11:06,720
page works perfectly fine. What?
What apps currently work well,

1062
01:11:06,720 --> 01:11:09,330
with with the peer tube stuff
for video.

1063
01:11:10,590 --> 01:11:15,030
Unknown: The only one that I
know that works is pauvres

1064
01:11:15,510 --> 01:11:17,220
Dave Jones: against guru works
to Alex.

1065
01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:22,320
Unknown: Okay. Yeah. catches it
needs. It needs support HTTP

1066
01:11:22,320 --> 01:11:26,640
Live Streaming? which not many
do because they don't do video.

1067
01:11:27,240 --> 01:11:31,170
So and then I don't even think
Padre supports the podcast chat

1068
01:11:31,170 --> 01:11:35,400
tag yet. Okay, so you basically
have to go to the website if you

1069
01:11:35,400 --> 01:11:36,090
want to interact.

1070
01:11:37,140 --> 01:11:39,180
Dave Jones: I spoke to Jason
every podcast guru the other

1071
01:11:39,180 --> 01:11:46,050
day. And he, he's, he's totally
on board with, with, with XMPP.

1072
01:11:46,050 --> 01:11:50,880
And like to put that in, and
they they also support video

1073
01:11:50,910 --> 01:11:55,860
which they, they they don't get.
They fly under the radar a lot

1074
01:11:55,860 --> 01:11:58,890
because they they just came on
board with the value for value,

1075
01:11:58,890 --> 01:12:03,240
but they have they have video
support. And they're, you know,

1076
01:12:03,360 --> 01:12:08,460
that's a good that's a good
podcast out. So you know, that's

1077
01:12:08,490 --> 01:12:10,860
I want to make sure they get the
credit they deserve because

1078
01:12:10,860 --> 01:12:12,960
they're they're really doing a
lot of stuff over there.

1079
01:12:15,420 --> 01:12:16,140
Unknown: Let's check it out.

1080
01:12:18,330 --> 01:12:20,670
Dave Jones: Yeah, so we'll have
to, we'll have to formalize. I'm

1081
01:12:20,670 --> 01:12:23,040
just making a note, we need to
go and formalize the chat tag,

1082
01:12:23,040 --> 01:12:25,260
because it's not a complicated
tag. I mean, it's basically just

1083
01:12:25,260 --> 01:12:28,620
social interact with a couple of
different attributes. Yeah, I

1084
01:12:28,620 --> 01:12:30,630
Adam Curry: realize I've been
telling so many people on no

1085
01:12:30,630 --> 01:12:32,910
agenda, like, oh, you get
everything in these apps. Go

1086
01:12:32,910 --> 01:12:39,540
ahead. And but there's no chat.
The only one has chat is curio

1087
01:12:39,540 --> 01:12:44,010
Kassar, I guess, to pod versus
chat as well.

1088
01:12:44,099 --> 01:12:46,229
Unknown: I think it does the old
version, not the new version.

1089
01:12:46,260 --> 01:12:47,340
Adam Curry: What's the old
version?

1090
01:12:47,580 --> 01:12:51,840
The that was the attribute on
the live version tag. Okay, so

1091
01:12:51,840 --> 01:12:55,680
what I'm using I think you're
using both now. He's just so

1092
01:12:56,850 --> 01:12:58,080
I'm, I'm by?

1093
01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:06,540
Yeah, well, go ahead.

1094
01:13:07,020 --> 01:13:09,210
Dave Jones: Yeah, I was just
gonna say Nathan G asked in the

1095
01:13:09,210 --> 01:13:10,980
chat. He said didn't someone
mentioned switching to

1096
01:13:10,980 --> 01:13:15,900
broadcasting that alongside the
ice cast brokers? So what? Let

1097
01:13:15,900 --> 01:13:18,330
me just talk about that for a
second. Because we spoke with

1098
01:13:18,330 --> 01:13:24,120
Jason, about that the other day
when that puck has guru, and I

1099
01:13:24,120 --> 01:13:28,650
was telling him, we're talking
about life support for socket,

1100
01:13:28,680 --> 01:13:30,960
you know, the socket, the whole
socket thing? Yeah. And I was

1101
01:13:30,960 --> 01:13:34,710
like, Well, you know, we've
discussed putting embedding that

1102
01:13:34,710 --> 01:13:38,340
stuff into the ice cast dream,
or whatever the, you know, HLS,

1103
01:13:38,340 --> 01:13:42,300
or whatever, trying, trying to
do this stuff in stream instead

1104
01:13:42,300 --> 01:13:47,190
of out of band. And he, his
response to me was that, at

1105
01:13:47,190 --> 01:13:51,030
least on the Android side, and
I'm assuming this is probably

1106
01:13:51,030 --> 01:13:55,650
true on the iOS side as well,
that that that extracting data,

1107
01:13:55,680 --> 01:13:59,550
arbitrary data out of that out
of a stream, a media stream, is

1108
01:13:59,550 --> 01:14:03,240
very difficult. He said he's
done it once in the past. And

1109
01:14:03,240 --> 01:14:06,900
what he had to do was create
basically a local host on

1110
01:14:06,900 --> 01:14:12,540
device, a local host, proxy, oh,
then and so that he gets first

1111
01:14:13,290 --> 01:14:18,360
hit so that he gets first dibs,
to parse the stream. Extract the

1112
01:14:18,360 --> 01:14:23,580
data. Yeah, and then pass it and
then re re host hit, essentially

1113
01:14:23,580 --> 01:14:27,300
to the local to the app, and he
said it's just a complete mess.

1114
01:14:27,330 --> 01:14:27,810
Do I keep

1115
01:14:27,810 --> 01:14:30,150
Adam Curry: forgetting pod fans
and all the stuff we're talking

1116
01:14:30,150 --> 01:14:32,580
about? I think I have the thing
that pod fans has everything

1117
01:14:32,580 --> 01:14:33,030
working

1118
01:14:35,040 --> 01:14:38,460
Dave Jones: properly probably
says so. So Sam submitted a PR

1119
01:14:38,460 --> 01:14:40,830
this morning and it's literally
every tag.

1120
01:14:41,640 --> 01:14:45,300
Adam Curry: tech guy so amazing.
He defends value for value like

1121
01:14:45,330 --> 01:14:50,100
like, like a warrior. I'm doing
it I really love Sam for that.

1122
01:14:50,310 --> 01:14:53,790
Dave Jones: Me too. The only
thing we have. The only thing we

1123
01:14:53,790 --> 01:14:58,290
need for pod fans. I think
they're really dependent on this

1124
01:14:58,290 --> 01:15:00,570
and we probably need to talk
about is the authorization tag.

1125
01:15:00,720 --> 01:15:06,360
Yeah. For onboarding there.
Yeah. In in trying to get that

1126
01:15:06,360 --> 01:15:09,180
done. I was in the chat in the
discussion thread this morning

1127
01:15:09,180 --> 01:15:10,350
on it trying to get that.

1128
01:15:12,030 --> 01:15:14,610
Adam Curry: Mother, she's at the
GitHub GitHub threat thread that

1129
01:15:14,610 --> 01:15:19,620
I stay away from. Yes, it is.
Yes. Yes. Dangerous for my

1130
01:15:19,620 --> 01:15:24,210
health. I missed the email
addresses, it was so easy. Just

1131
01:15:24,210 --> 01:15:27,420
want to say that's all I'll shut
up about it. I missed it. I

1132
01:15:27,420 --> 01:15:30,150
didn't need enhanced private
privacy. I was fine.

1133
01:15:31,560 --> 01:15:37,890
Dave Jones: The. So yeah, I've
got to basically write something

1134
01:15:37,890 --> 01:15:42,990
up. That's more formal for this.
Here's the way this here's the

1135
01:15:42,990 --> 01:15:46,680
way this this works. Just to run
through it again, because

1136
01:15:46,770 --> 01:15:50,310
there's seems to be this. There
seems to be this

1137
01:15:50,310 --> 01:15:52,980
misunderstanding. Got, I don't
want to call it a

1138
01:15:52,980 --> 01:15:54,960
misunderstanding. maybe I'm
misunderstanding. So I'm just

1139
01:15:54,960 --> 01:15:58,020
going to throw this out there.
There seems to be this, this

1140
01:15:58,080 --> 01:16:02,610
thing that comes back that these
this flow can be intercepted.

1141
01:16:03,030 --> 01:16:06,300
And so just just for the record,
here's here's what we have. So

1142
01:16:06,300 --> 01:16:11,790
far. There is an authorization
tag, that would happen in the

1143
01:16:11,790 --> 01:16:16,020
feed. So I'm going to, I'm going
to in in this in this scenario

1144
01:16:16,020 --> 01:16:19,860
that I am about to lay out,
we're going to say that the

1145
01:16:19,860 --> 01:16:30,660
hosting company is RSS blue, in
the app is pod fans. So RSS

1146
01:16:30,660 --> 01:16:37,020
blue, publishes a feed. And the
owner, the podcaster, who owns

1147
01:16:37,020 --> 01:16:46,050
that feed is going to claim that
feed on pod fans. Pod. So

1148
01:16:46,530 --> 01:16:50,760
there's an authorization tag
that RSS Blue has put into that

1149
01:16:50,760 --> 01:16:57,360
feed with a URL pointing back to
the location on the web that

1150
01:16:57,510 --> 01:17:02,310
they are going to do the
authentic the the verification

1151
01:17:02,340 --> 01:17:06,600
of the verification app. So this
thing may be verification dot

1152
01:17:06,600 --> 01:17:16,680
RSS blue.com. The pod fans sees
that URL. Kick when when the

1153
01:17:16,680 --> 01:17:19,470
podcaster says I'm going to I'm
going to verify this Dammit, I'm

1154
01:17:19,470 --> 01:17:25,200
the owner of this feed, pod
fans, kicks, pod fans server

1155
01:17:25,350 --> 01:17:34,170
creates a nonce, a one time code
attaches to that URL as a query

1156
01:17:34,170 --> 01:17:41,640
parameter and redirects the the
podcaster to that page at our

1157
01:17:41,640 --> 01:17:46,620
says blue bar says blue receives
the parses out that query

1158
01:17:46,620 --> 01:17:49,500
parameter and and also the feed
you're on needs to be attached

1159
01:17:49,500 --> 01:17:51,600
to that as well. So another
there would be another parameter

1160
01:17:51,600 --> 01:17:56,370
on there with the with the feed
URL, or Gu ID or whatever. So

1161
01:17:56,400 --> 01:18:00,990
now RSS blue knows. Okay, I've
got a token. And I've got a

1162
01:18:00,990 --> 01:18:05,460
random token. And I've got the
feed URL. A verify the feed URL

1163
01:18:05,460 --> 01:18:10,830
is one of our feeds. Yes, that
is it is. And now I'm going to

1164
01:18:11,160 --> 01:18:14,790
force the user to log in with a
username password. They

1165
01:18:14,790 --> 01:18:18,210
authenticate with their username
and password proving to RSS

1166
01:18:18,210 --> 01:18:24,240
blue. They are the one who is
the owner of the feed, parses

1167
01:18:24,240 --> 01:18:27,690
blue sees that in pops up, sees
that there was a successful

1168
01:18:27,690 --> 01:18:32,280
login pops up a thing that says
a pod fans is trying to wants to

1169
01:18:32,280 --> 01:18:36,360
authenticate you as the owner of
this feed. Do you want to do

1170
01:18:36,360 --> 01:18:41,640
this? Yes or no? Yes. Barr says
blue now takes the token that

1171
01:18:41,640 --> 01:18:47,040
pod fans sent to it in the query
parameter. Places that into the

1172
01:18:47,040 --> 01:18:53,820
feed into tech into the podcast
TXT record invalidates the cache

1173
01:18:53,820 --> 01:18:59,820
and republishes the feed with
the with the token in it and

1174
01:18:59,970 --> 01:19:06,600
kicks them back to pod fans. And
then podcast pod fans begins to

1175
01:19:07,050 --> 01:19:11,340
pod fans sees that they've come
back with a success message.

1176
01:19:12,510 --> 01:19:16,710
Paul M stars polling the feed
and once they see their token

1177
01:19:17,580 --> 01:19:21,180
pop up in the feed. They say
okay, verification is

1178
01:19:21,180 --> 01:19:27,060
successful. This is the same
essential process that happens

1179
01:19:27,690 --> 01:19:33,330
with DNS verification for domain
ownership. We do this all the

1180
01:19:33,330 --> 01:19:38,280
time. When you when you go and
create in and claim ownership of

1181
01:19:38,280 --> 01:19:41,520
a domain. Let's just gonna say
you're migrating your business

1182
01:19:41,520 --> 01:19:44,760
to office 365. You're gonna go
through this exact same process.

1183
01:19:45,660 --> 01:19:50,820
Sometimes it's manual. Other
times they have an integration

1184
01:19:50,820 --> 01:19:55,410
with with a with DNS
registrar's, and you can you can

1185
01:19:55,410 --> 01:19:57,990
automate this but this is
essentially the same function.

1186
01:19:58,470 --> 01:20:07,080
So I'm not I'm sure I can. I
can't see any danger here. M M.

1187
01:20:07,290 --> 01:20:10,080
M, I guess my question is, am I
missing something? Because the

1188
01:20:10,440 --> 01:20:14,580
the this can get hacked things
seems to be coming back. And I'm

1189
01:20:14,580 --> 01:20:17,130
like, where? Where's the hack
happening?

1190
01:20:18,420 --> 01:20:19,530
Adam Curry: Oh, so unique is no
one said.

1191
01:20:21,720 --> 01:20:24,060
Dave Jones: Well, Mike Hayden at
Red Circle said it could be and

1192
01:20:24,060 --> 01:20:28,740
I thought James was saying that
too but I miss maybe I'm

1193
01:20:28,740 --> 01:20:33,780
misunderstanding. I don't know
Now could it be fished? For

1194
01:20:33,780 --> 01:20:37,920
sure, but everything can be
fished. Yeah, I mean like, you

1195
01:20:37,920 --> 01:20:41,670
know, unless you have two factor
authentication like you can if

1196
01:20:41,670 --> 01:20:44,970
you have a man in the middle
scenario, you can get fished all

1197
01:20:44,970 --> 01:20:47,700
day long, but I'm not. But we're
we've got to set that aside

1198
01:20:47,700 --> 01:20:51,330
because that's not we're not
we're not solving that here.

1199
01:20:52,500 --> 01:20:56,730
This is a I'm talking about
like, Could I don't understand

1200
01:20:56,730 --> 01:20:59,460
if there's something I'm missing
in please somebody tell me if

1201
01:20:59,460 --> 01:21:00,030
there is.

1202
01:21:01,800 --> 01:21:04,800
Adam Curry: All I'm hearing is
some people saying Why don't you

1203
01:21:04,800 --> 01:21:08,670
just do Oh auth which I have no
idea, which is easier

1204
01:21:09,810 --> 01:21:12,270
Dave Jones: to see Oh, office,
if people want to do Oh auth

1205
01:21:12,270 --> 01:21:15,000
that's fine. But we don't need
to write a spec for that. But if

1206
01:21:15,000 --> 01:21:21,360
people want to do Oh off, if, if
let's just say if rss.com wants

1207
01:21:21,360 --> 01:21:26,250
to do Oh off the go. I mean,
like they can just go do that.

1208
01:21:26,250 --> 01:21:28,770
And then they can just say
here's how we're going to pick

1209
01:21:28,800 --> 01:21:31,260
they can publish that themselves
and say, here's how we're going

1210
01:21:31,260 --> 01:21:34,470
to do it. If you want to verify
here, you can do it. And maybe

1211
01:21:34,470 --> 01:21:37,590
other hosts adopt that same
format? I don't know. But that

1212
01:21:37,740 --> 01:21:40,920
oh auth is an established
mechanism already. Right? My

1213
01:21:40,920 --> 01:21:45,930
problem with OAuth is really
just that it leaves it leaves a

1214
01:21:45,930 --> 01:21:49,980
small hosting out of the
picture, because you have to be

1215
01:21:49,980 --> 01:21:53,670
able to host Reuter to support a
no authentication mechanism, you

1216
01:21:53,670 --> 01:21:56,700
have to be able to support an
OAuth flow. And you can't do

1217
01:21:56,700 --> 01:22:00,780
that if you're using sovereign
feeds or WordPress, you know,

1218
01:22:01,440 --> 01:22:03,120
that's not available to you,
right, I

1219
01:22:03,120 --> 01:22:05,310
Adam Curry: can just, I can just
put it into the appropriate

1220
01:22:05,310 --> 01:22:07,980
field. And I can put the token
into the appropriate field in my

1221
01:22:07,980 --> 01:22:09,600
feet, and it would work to
Right.

1222
01:22:10,170 --> 01:22:12,150
Dave Jones: Right. And with the
authorization flow that I

1223
01:22:12,150 --> 01:22:16,560
described earlier, what what can
happen is you can say, all

1224
01:22:16,560 --> 01:22:19,680
right, there's an all three pot
fans could make this decision.

1225
01:22:19,770 --> 01:22:23,640
Pot fans could do this, it could
say, I see an authorization tag

1226
01:22:23,640 --> 01:22:28,170
in your feed. Therefore, I'm
going to kick you over to auth

1227
01:22:28,170 --> 01:22:34,350
to verify at the at the hosting
company. Or I don't see an

1228
01:22:34,350 --> 01:22:37,680
authorization tag in the feed.
Therefore, I'm just going to

1229
01:22:37,680 --> 01:22:42,960
give you the token and you can
go put it in yourself. Like it

1230
01:22:42,960 --> 01:22:46,500
doesn't change their flow very
much they can support both very

1231
01:22:46,500 --> 01:22:52,020
easily. See, Nathan said I think
they were concerned that pod

1232
01:22:52,020 --> 01:22:54,990
fans would permit the podcaster
to claim the feed just by

1233
01:22:54,990 --> 01:22:58,410
visiting the URL redirecting
back to pod fans without waiting

1234
01:22:58,800 --> 01:23:02,460
for the token to appear in the
TX T tech. Yeah, but that that's

1235
01:23:02,670 --> 01:23:06,690
they would. That's bad. They
don't need to do that. Right.

1236
01:23:07,740 --> 01:23:10,560
Yeah, they know they just
getting this a success message

1237
01:23:10,560 --> 01:23:14,520
doesn't that's only half the
flow. You can't skip. Right. The

1238
01:23:14,520 --> 01:23:18,360
authorization part. Yeah.

1239
01:23:19,680 --> 01:23:22,170
Adam Curry: All right, let's
Let's just touch on a few others

1240
01:23:22,170 --> 01:23:25,650
that might know that everybody's
asleep. And we just touched on a

1241
01:23:25,650 --> 01:23:33,600
few other things. Loving
transcribe.fm Which who set that

1242
01:23:33,600 --> 01:23:34,110
up again?

1243
01:23:34,770 --> 01:23:36,420
Dave Jones: Nathan? Nathan Yeah,
gathright.

1244
01:23:38,580 --> 01:23:42,330
Adam Curry: hurting a little bit
because of the speaker support

1245
01:23:42,360 --> 01:23:49,020
issues. Because man, I don't
want to screw up Martin's pod

1246
01:23:49,020 --> 01:23:53,910
friend the way he's implemented,
you know, the person tag in the,

1247
01:23:54,210 --> 01:23:58,350
in the transcripts. And so we
know almost no matter what I run

1248
01:23:59,520 --> 01:24:06,930
it, it confuses me with multiple
speakers. It doesn't it's

1249
01:24:07,050 --> 01:24:10,710
apparently it's a lot more
challenging to identify speakers

1250
01:24:10,710 --> 01:24:16,170
consistently than I thought. Cuz
I really love the speed of the

1251
01:24:16,170 --> 01:24:20,160
service is outrageous. I mean,
I'm waiting sometimes for an

1252
01:24:20,160 --> 01:24:25,290
hour for a no agenda transcript
to finish. And, and then, you

1253
01:24:25,290 --> 01:24:30,000
know, with the, with
transcribe.fm It's like, it just

1254
01:24:30,000 --> 01:24:35,490
is done so fast. But, you know,
it's I've been trying to find a

1255
01:24:35,490 --> 01:24:38,340
predictability in it, but it's
just not there yet. Is that I

1256
01:24:38,340 --> 01:24:42,150
didn't know. Is that an AI issue
we need to look at.

1257
01:24:42,960 --> 01:24:46,620
Dave Jones: I don't I mean, I
would is, is the speaker

1258
01:24:46,620 --> 01:24:50,820
recognition. Is that just slow
it down? Is that what they don't

1259
01:24:50,820 --> 01:24:51,240
do? I don't

1260
01:24:51,240 --> 01:24:54,090
Adam Curry: know. I don't know.
It's I mean, I'll tell you what

1261
01:24:54,120 --> 01:24:58,740
otter.ai they transcribe and
then you have to wait after the

1262
01:24:58,740 --> 01:25:01,230
transcriptions on you have to
wait Wait for it to do the it

1263
01:25:01,230 --> 01:25:02,670
does the speaker stuff later.

1264
01:25:04,020 --> 01:25:06,900
Dave Jones: Okay, so that must
be Yeah, it must be. It must

1265
01:25:06,900 --> 01:25:10,560
Adam Curry: be hard. I mean, it
slows down. But I mean, it's not

1266
01:25:10,560 --> 01:25:13,560
accurate. That's the problem.
It's not accurate.

1267
01:25:15,839 --> 01:25:19,019
Dave Jones: Alex, what do you
think about like? I don't? Do

1268
01:25:19,019 --> 01:25:22,409
you think there's, it's possible
to do transcription like a

1269
01:25:22,409 --> 01:25:23,939
transcription plugin and peer
to?

1270
01:25:25,980 --> 01:25:28,470
Adam Curry: I think there
already is one. I just don't

1271
01:25:28,470 --> 01:25:28,650
know how

1272
01:25:28,950 --> 01:25:33,750
Dave Jones: there is one slight.
I tested it, it did not work

1273
01:25:33,750 --> 01:25:37,830
well on podcasts longer than
like, 1020 minutes. And the

1274
01:25:37,860 --> 01:25:41,370
results were really inaccurate.
But they're working on it. And

1275
01:25:41,370 --> 01:25:43,530
it should be coming along better
hopefully.

1276
01:25:45,060 --> 01:25:48,960
What Don? Do you know, like, was
that running on server? Or was

1277
01:25:48,960 --> 01:25:50,430
that calling out somewhere else?

1278
01:25:51,330 --> 01:25:55,290
That was running on server, it
downloaded everything it needed

1279
01:25:55,290 --> 01:25:57,870
and ran it directly on the
server? That was part of why it

1280
01:25:57,870 --> 01:25:58,770
was having trouble.

1281
01:25:59,430 --> 01:26:04,440
Yeah, I guess you're on CPUs at
that point. Yeah, that sounds

1282
01:26:04,440 --> 01:26:08,310
like Yeah, sounds messy. It
because that would be really

1283
01:26:09,060 --> 01:26:11,520
mean not to do real time. But I
mean, just to be able to have

1284
01:26:11,520 --> 01:26:13,980
that in the feed after the fact
that would be pretty, that'd be

1285
01:26:13,980 --> 01:26:19,170
pretty killer. Or, you know,
like, I could envision a plugin

1286
01:26:19,170 --> 01:26:23,250
where you have the ability to
call out to different services,

1287
01:26:23,250 --> 01:26:25,560
like you could call out to
transcribe that FM or you could

1288
01:26:25,560 --> 01:26:28,440
call that the otter, whatever
service you wanted to use, you

1289
01:26:28,440 --> 01:26:28,710
know,

1290
01:26:29,880 --> 01:26:32,040
Adam Curry: hey, that's where
the podcasts or plugin comes in.

1291
01:26:32,040 --> 01:26:34,350
I've just from, from what I
understand sovereign feeds will

1292
01:26:34,350 --> 01:26:39,630
have a way to just be you know,
it'll just work. It'll, it'll

1293
01:26:39,630 --> 01:26:43,740
talk to transcribe.fm and pop it
back. And then it just kind of

1294
01:26:43,740 --> 01:26:44,190
there.

1295
01:26:46,770 --> 01:26:48,720
Dave Jones: Yes, pretty. That's,
that's a rad idea.

1296
01:26:48,840 --> 01:26:53,160
Adam Curry: I just, I just, I
really don't want to do away

1297
01:26:53,160 --> 01:26:57,330
with the, with the speaker tags.
Because that's so cool. And pod

1298
01:26:57,330 --> 01:27:00,450
friend, I think other people
will do that. Looks so good. The

1299
01:27:00,450 --> 01:27:04,980
little, little chat, chat
bubbles with our heads. Yeah,

1300
01:27:05,400 --> 01:27:07,800
it's really it's a fun
experience. Just look at like,

1301
01:27:07,800 --> 01:27:09,810
wow, I can hear these guys
speak. And I can see their

1302
01:27:09,810 --> 01:27:12,450
heads. It's I don't know, it's
something hypnotizing about it.

1303
01:27:13,800 --> 01:27:19,350
Dave Jones: In the the person
tag admission, talk to Oscar

1304
01:27:19,350 --> 01:27:24,120
about that the other day.
That's, that needs to be in

1305
01:27:24,120 --> 01:27:29,220
there as well. Like, yeah, that
needs to be a higher, a more

1306
01:27:29,220 --> 01:27:34,170
broadly supported tag on the on
the app side, because still, I

1307
01:27:34,170 --> 01:27:38,370
don't see very many apps.
Showing that information. And,

1308
01:27:38,700 --> 01:27:43,140
you know, Mark Martin uses it to
great effect with with the

1309
01:27:43,140 --> 01:27:45,600
transcription and putting it
right there prominently on the

1310
01:27:45,600 --> 01:27:49,620
podcast page. I mean, that's a,
that's a pretty killer little,

1311
01:27:49,620 --> 01:27:54,870
you know, tag to just ignore, I
wish more people would suck that

1312
01:27:54,870 --> 01:27:55,290
in.

1313
01:27:56,099 --> 01:28:03,809
Adam Curry: That's what she
said. Hey, I have two more

1314
01:28:03,809 --> 01:28:08,519
things on my list here. The one
is just because you know, I do

1315
01:28:08,519 --> 01:28:12,149
the triage on info dot podcast
index.org. I have been enjoying

1316
01:28:12,149 --> 01:28:14,489
the API Dashboard. Thank you
very much.

1317
01:28:14,760 --> 01:28:16,770
Dave Jones: I've had a fixed a
couple of things in there, too.

1318
01:28:17,609 --> 01:28:20,189
Adam Curry: Yeah, I tried to
reset someone's feed and it

1319
01:28:20,189 --> 01:28:24,179
didn't really do anything. Or
maybe there's no real way for me

1320
01:28:24,179 --> 01:28:28,439
to know if a reset is done
properly. And I don't know,

1321
01:28:28,649 --> 01:28:31,259
people do show up and they just
they just throw stuff out there

1322
01:28:31,259 --> 01:28:35,279
like this, this that. Right,
wrong. You know, it's like, oh,

1323
01:28:35,279 --> 01:28:40,199
man, I really do think I'm a
mind reader. So I'm not always

1324
01:28:40,199 --> 01:28:42,869
sure that I'm doing the right
thing for people but I have I

1325
01:28:42,869 --> 01:28:47,099
have, you know, nuke defeat or
two. And I be I think James had

1326
01:28:47,099 --> 01:28:50,669
a, something that I just blindly
trusted him like, Okay, I'm

1327
01:28:50,669 --> 01:28:52,289
nuking that feat. Because you
said so.

1328
01:28:53,729 --> 01:28:55,259
Dave Jones: Yes, I saw that.
Yeah, keeping

1329
01:28:55,260 --> 01:29:00,330
Adam Curry: this one. But I love
it. I love I love it. Other than

1330
01:29:00,360 --> 01:29:03,780
just some feedback stuff. I'm
not quite sure if if

1331
01:29:03,780 --> 01:29:07,080
everything's working properly,
but I'm happy, happy to have it.

1332
01:29:08,730 --> 01:29:11,730
Some dude named Josh showed up
and he I just want to read his

1333
01:29:11,730 --> 01:29:15,240
note. He says, Thanks for this
awesome project. I'm attempting

1334
01:29:15,240 --> 01:29:18,540
to create a neural network based
ad blocker for podcasts, your

1335
01:29:18,540 --> 01:29:22,830
database is invaluable sources,
annotate training data, like why

1336
01:29:22,860 --> 01:29:27,300
that's interesting. I don't know
if I'm a fan of that. But I

1337
01:29:27,300 --> 01:29:30,690
guess you could use it for that.
Well, you know, why would you

1338
01:29:30,690 --> 01:29:37,020
want to block podcast ads? Just
as a as a as a philosophical

1339
01:29:37,020 --> 01:29:37,440
thing.

1340
01:29:38,310 --> 01:29:40,440
Dave Jones: You can you can just
hit the skip button. Yeah.

1341
01:29:40,950 --> 01:29:43,200
Adam Curry: That's what
everybody does. We all know it.

1342
01:29:43,200 --> 01:29:44,190
Everybody does it.

1343
01:29:45,000 --> 01:29:47,430
Dave Jones: You just skate read
through those jokes. Yeah.

1344
01:29:48,510 --> 01:29:51,240
Adam Curry: And I want to
mention that I heard something

1345
01:29:51,240 --> 01:29:54,600
very well, not concerning, I
think is the dumbest business

1346
01:29:54,600 --> 01:30:00,750
decision I've ever heard.
Spotify. See Since they know

1347
01:30:00,750 --> 01:30:05,430
they're scrambling for revenue,
clearly, Spotify Premium min,

1348
01:30:05,430 --> 01:30:10,620
but members can no longer pay
via Apple's App Store. Because

1349
01:30:10,620 --> 01:30:14,670
they, you know, they, they don't
want to give up the 30% cut the

1350
01:30:14,700 --> 01:30:22,170
the App Store tax. So people's
premium subscriptions will just

1351
01:30:22,170 --> 01:30:27,060
expire. And they're hoping
everybody will sign up again

1352
01:30:27,060 --> 01:30:30,030
through their own
system@spotify.com with a credit

1353
01:30:30,030 --> 01:30:33,360
card or PayPal, I'm thinking
you're going to be very sorry,

1354
01:30:33,360 --> 01:30:36,810
you're doing this. I don't think
I don't think a lot of people

1355
01:30:36,810 --> 01:30:39,960
are going to do that it'll be
such an opportunity to not re

1356
01:30:39,960 --> 01:30:43,140
up. Is that just me?

1357
01:30:44,490 --> 01:30:49,080
Dave Jones: Man? I don't there
has to be this stuff like this

1358
01:30:49,080 --> 01:30:52,860
has to happen. There has to be
market movement away from apple,

1359
01:30:52,890 --> 01:30:59,910
the apple walled garden of 30%.
That that tax day. There has to

1360
01:30:59,910 --> 01:31:03,750
be because my understanding was
they were charging. So it's like

1361
01:31:03,750 --> 01:31:06,420
non is like nine bucks a month
if you if you went and

1362
01:31:06,420 --> 01:31:08,970
subscribed directly on their
site, but it was like 12 bucks a

1363
01:31:08,970 --> 01:31:12,450
month. If you subscribed with
Apple Pay because of the tax.

1364
01:31:12,570 --> 01:31:16,020
Adam Curry: Same same thing that
Twitter did, I guess? Yeah.

1365
01:31:17,040 --> 01:31:20,310
Which is another mess. Because
people are the things are

1366
01:31:20,310 --> 01:31:23,640
changing very quickly around us
all these models of payments.

1367
01:31:23,640 --> 01:31:24,540
They're all breaking.

1368
01:31:24,930 --> 01:31:27,750
Dave Jones: They are breaking. I
don't know if you saw this. This

1369
01:31:27,750 --> 01:31:31,500
was very interesting to me.
Perhaps the most interesting

1370
01:31:31,500 --> 01:31:34,530
thing that flew under the radar,
the heard of a company called

1371
01:31:34,530 --> 01:31:40,260
Media math. No, I have not.
medium medium medium math file

1372
01:31:40,260 --> 01:31:44,910
for bankruptcy. The demand side
platform medium math file for

1373
01:31:44,910 --> 01:31:48,600
Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection
in Delaware. On Friday, the

1374
01:31:48,600 --> 01:31:52,620
company owes between 100 million
and 500 million to between

1375
01:31:52,620 --> 01:31:57,600
209 199 companies including
Google Macknight, open X

1376
01:31:58,110 --> 01:32:03,120
PubMatic, Zander, and ads Wiz
and I know ads Wiz is a big

1377
01:32:03,600 --> 01:32:07,290
company like digital marketing
company that's that does podcast

1378
01:32:07,290 --> 01:32:07,800
stuff.

1379
01:32:09,180 --> 01:32:10,710
Adam Curry: What does MediaMath
do?

1380
01:32:11,520 --> 01:32:14,070
Dave Jones: It says they're a
demand side platform. I think

1381
01:32:14,070 --> 01:32:18,600
that means they're one of the
bit they add digital ad bitter,

1382
01:32:19,050 --> 01:32:25,620
like DSP platforms, where, where
the bidding takes place. For

1383
01:32:25,620 --> 01:32:29,880
digital, like a service, like
where there's like this dynamic

1384
01:32:29,880 --> 01:32:35,160
auction system at ad surf time.
If I'm not mistaken, this is

1385
01:32:35,160 --> 01:32:41,370
their valuation. Let's see. They
had raised like $600 million or

1386
01:32:41,370 --> 01:32:44,670
something. And then now they
just went out of business and

1387
01:32:44,670 --> 01:32:47,700
they still owe like hundreds of
millions of dollars to companies

1388
01:32:47,700 --> 01:32:48,540
they just vanished.

1389
01:32:48,570 --> 01:32:51,840
Adam Curry: So they owe it to
all the ad companies who were

1390
01:32:51,840 --> 01:32:56,760
serving ads that they basically
were Booking and Scheduling for

1391
01:32:56,760 --> 01:32:57,750
the advertisers.

1392
01:32:58,350 --> 01:33:00,150
Dave Jones: That's right, it
says the bankruptcy will have a

1393
01:33:00,150 --> 01:33:03,360
wide ranging effect on the
advertising technology industry

1394
01:33:03,570 --> 01:33:06,360
with many well known companies
being owed more than a million

1395
01:33:06,360 --> 01:33:10,380
dollars. The top five include
Macknight at 12 Point 6 million

1396
01:33:10,380 --> 01:33:14,280
PubMatic at 10 million snowbee
at five never

1397
01:33:14,280 --> 01:33:16,290
Adam Curry: even heard of these
companies. Are these the

1398
01:33:16,290 --> 01:33:19,320
companies that just snooping on
me and throwing ads up

1399
01:33:19,320 --> 01:33:19,950
everywhere.

1400
01:33:20,250 --> 01:33:25,830
Dave Jones: Yeah, and ads with
3.4 million Yeah. Wow. This

1401
01:33:25,830 --> 01:33:33,360
feels like the whole ad serving
DSP digital. Yuck. Is like about

1402
01:33:33,360 --> 01:33:34,080
to blow up.

1403
01:33:35,580 --> 01:33:36,600
Adam Curry: Sorry, I'm laughing

1404
01:33:37,410 --> 01:33:40,800
Dave Jones: No, I mean, it's
hilarious. Wow, I mean,

1405
01:33:40,920 --> 01:33:42,840
Adam Curry: this whole thing is
falling apart, man.

1406
01:33:42,870 --> 01:33:45,510
Dave Jones: Yeah, yeah, Nathan.
Nathan says a programmatic ad

1407
01:33:45,510 --> 01:33:49,530
bidding platform Sirius XM owns
ads with AD Wiz and MediaMath

1408
01:33:49,530 --> 01:33:52,950
owes them three and a half
million dollars. Oh, yay. This

1409
01:33:52,950 --> 01:33:55,290
thing is about to blow up.

1410
01:33:55,680 --> 01:33:57,210
Adam Curry: That's not good.
What's this clip you got here?

1411
01:33:57,210 --> 01:33:59,400
Do you thought this was the

1412
01:33:59,399 --> 01:34:03,539
Dave Jones: new this is the new
FTC influencers guidelines. This

1413
01:34:03,539 --> 01:34:07,739
is like they released this a few
days ago. They're cracking down

1414
01:34:07,769 --> 01:34:13,979
on social media influencers.
That on how they have to

1415
01:34:13,979 --> 01:34:19,979
disclose their sponsorships. And
in advertising.

1416
01:34:20,010 --> 01:34:21,360
Adam Curry: I thought you
already had to do that. I

1417
01:34:21,360 --> 01:34:23,820
thought I thought that was like
a prerequisite that you had to

1418
01:34:24,030 --> 01:34:25,050
let people know.

1419
01:34:25,380 --> 01:34:28,890
Dave Jones: They did. But the
guidelines were vague. So now

1420
01:34:28,890 --> 01:34:33,060
they've like beef them up and
give him some juice. You wanna

1421
01:34:33,060 --> 01:34:35,670
you want to listen to this nice
young lady explained it to him

1422
01:34:35,700 --> 01:34:36,180
of course.

1423
01:34:37,320 --> 01:34:40,590
Unknown: Hi, I'm Amber Lee.
Attorney. Mission.

1424
01:34:41,399 --> 01:34:44,219
Adam Curry: Okay, this is my
attorney. Shoot, I'd fire her

1425
01:34:44,219 --> 01:34:47,579
for that voice. You can't
represent me You don't sound

1426
01:34:47,579 --> 01:34:48,299
like a bulldog.

1427
01:34:49,290 --> 01:34:52,050
Unknown: Hi, I'm Amber Lee, an
attorney at the Federal Trade

1428
01:34:52,050 --> 01:34:55,350
Commission. Do you recommend or
endorse things on social media?

1429
01:34:56,160 --> 01:34:59,640
If you do, here are some tips to
help influencers like you

1430
01:34:59,670 --> 01:35:03,150
comply. With the law, whenever
you endorse a product, you have

1431
01:35:03,150 --> 01:35:06,600
to tell people if you have a
relationship with the brand. So

1432
01:35:06,630 --> 01:35:10,560
if a brand pays you, or gives
you free stuff or discounts Wow,

1433
01:35:10,590 --> 01:35:12,780
tell people about that
relationship. When you promote

1434
01:35:12,780 --> 01:35:16,140
anything from that brand. Make
sure people will see and

1435
01:35:16,140 --> 01:35:19,290
understand that disclosure. Tell
people about your brand

1436
01:35:19,290 --> 01:35:22,200
relationship along with your
endorsement, not in your

1437
01:35:22,200 --> 01:35:25,590
profile, not in a bunch of
hashtags. But it early in the

1438
01:35:25,590 --> 01:35:29,340
message or superimposed
prominently on the picture. In a

1439
01:35:29,340 --> 01:35:32,040
live stream, it should be
repeated often enough that

1440
01:35:32,040 --> 01:35:36,120
people will catch it, make it
plain and simple. You can say

1441
01:35:36,120 --> 01:35:39,990
your post is an ad
advertisement, or sponsored with

1442
01:35:40,050 --> 01:35:43,590
or without a hashtag. You can
say thank you to the brand for

1443
01:35:43,590 --> 01:35:47,100
the free product. If the product
is all you got. Or you could

1444
01:35:47,100 --> 01:35:50,580
label yourself a partner or
ambassador. Again, make sure to

1445
01:35:50,580 --> 01:35:53,640
put your disclosure where people
can't miss it. Want to know more

1446
01:35:53,640 --> 01:35:56,040
about how you can be an
influencer and stay on the right

1447
01:35:56,040 --> 01:36:00,150
side of the law? Go to
ftc.gov/influencers.

1448
01:36:00,209 --> 01:36:03,539
Adam Curry: Wow. So if you're an
advisor to accompany you need to

1449
01:36:03,539 --> 01:36:04,859
disclose that too, I guess.

1450
01:36:05,550 --> 01:36:08,490
Dave Jones: Yeah, there's a
bunch of they have this like

1451
01:36:10,290 --> 01:36:15,090
what we call like a fac that
tells you, here's what you need

1452
01:36:15,090 --> 01:36:18,810
to do under certain
circumstances. Like, it's like,

1453
01:36:19,200 --> 01:36:23,310
Can I do this? No, can I do
this, here's what you got to do.

1454
01:36:23,850 --> 01:36:30,840
So this was they'll see this guy
ran it down, he says adding

1455
01:36:30,870 --> 01:36:35,250
adding hashtag or hashtag add or
hashtag sponsor or similar

1456
01:36:35,250 --> 01:36:38,460
disclosure in the caption of a
tick tock is not enough, it

1457
01:36:38,460 --> 01:36:42,900
needs to be overlaid in the
video itself. D influencing

1458
01:36:42,900 --> 01:36:47,070
campaigns require disclosure. So
you can't you can't talk down a

1459
01:36:47,070 --> 01:36:53,760
competitor. Oh, wow. Without
disclosure, a post does not have

1460
01:36:53,760 --> 01:36:57,000
to mention anything positive
about the brand to be considered

1461
01:36:57,000 --> 01:37:02,160
an endorsement. So this is like
it says, simply posting a

1462
01:37:02,160 --> 01:37:04,800
picture of a product on social
media such as Pinterest or a

1463
01:37:04,800 --> 01:37:08,670
video of you using it could
convey even without words that

1464
01:37:08,670 --> 01:37:12,540
you like or approve the product
and has to be disclosed. Foreign

1465
01:37:12,540 --> 01:37:17,340
creators may must also comply
with the rules. If you review

1466
01:37:17,340 --> 01:37:19,770
many different products on your
blog or social page, you need to

1467
01:37:19,770 --> 01:37:22,500
specifically disclose which
content is sponsored in which

1468
01:37:22,500 --> 01:37:27,420
content is not. You cannot hide
disclosures behind links, even

1469
01:37:27,420 --> 01:37:33,120
if the link says disclosure.
Thank you, or thank you brand is

1470
01:37:33,120 --> 01:37:36,480
not enough, you must make it
more prominent. Like there's

1471
01:37:36,510 --> 01:37:40,020
just a whole bunch of they like
they're they're really they're

1472
01:37:40,020 --> 01:37:45,150
really cracking down and making
you and forcing you to make it

1473
01:37:45,180 --> 01:37:48,960
like up front and center that
you're doing that you're that

1474
01:37:48,960 --> 01:37:52,890
this is sponsored content. But
the part that I love is that

1475
01:37:52,920 --> 01:37:56,520
this all leaves a gaping
humongous loophole for

1476
01:37:56,520 --> 01:38:04,260
traditional media. Because all
you have all you have to do in

1477
01:38:04,260 --> 01:38:08,220
order to get around that is you
can you Right, right, before you

1478
01:38:08,220 --> 01:38:11,850
do a big ad buy. You just have a
little bit of fun, nice jump on

1479
01:38:11,850 --> 01:38:15,600
the phone with somebody say,
hey, yeah, we're gonna do that

1480
01:38:15,600 --> 01:38:21,120
ad buy. But we're, you know, we
also, once you push to talk us

1481
01:38:21,120 --> 01:38:24,540
up a little bit, you know, on
the before it like, see, you

1482
01:38:24,540 --> 01:38:27,630
could have, you could have
essentially a native ad that was

1483
01:38:27,630 --> 01:38:32,160
never a continent was never
contracted in imprint, or signed

1484
01:38:32,160 --> 01:38:33,510
on the dotted line.

1485
01:38:33,540 --> 01:38:35,640
Adam Curry: If I'm looking, I'm
looking at what they're saying

1486
01:38:35,640 --> 01:38:40,110
that I'm not, I'm looking at
their their rules.

1487
01:38:40,110 --> 01:38:45,270
ftc.gov/influenza. And, you
know, even if it's a family

1488
01:38:45,270 --> 01:38:49,140
relationship, you've got to
disclose it. I mean, so even if

1489
01:38:49,140 --> 01:38:51,570
you just have a phone call, you
kind of got to disclose that.

1490
01:38:52,020 --> 01:38:55,590
Really? Yeah. And do you know
how big this market is? I was

1491
01:38:55,590 --> 01:38:58,560
reading habit here from
McKinsey, I guess McKinsey would

1492
01:38:58,560 --> 01:39:03,900
know something. Ads for apparel,
to clothing are part of an ever

1493
01:39:03,900 --> 01:39:06,420
growing body of sponsored
content that people consume

1494
01:39:06,420 --> 01:39:10,470
daily alongside regular video
and social media posts. And they

1495
01:39:10,470 --> 01:39:13,920
are part of an influencer
marketing economy that hits 16

1496
01:39:13,920 --> 01:39:15,930
point 4 billion this year.

1497
01:39:16,500 --> 01:39:19,650
Dave Jones: Whoa, that's so much
bigger than I thought it was me

1498
01:39:19,650 --> 01:39:23,880
to me the entire music industry
is what 5 billion?

1499
01:39:24,990 --> 01:39:31,320
Adam Curry: Well, we're chipping
away at it. It's 4,900,000,000.

1500
01:39:33,899 --> 01:39:35,849
Dave Jones: I mean, that, wow.
That's

1501
01:39:36,090 --> 01:39:37,110
Adam Curry: as big man.

1502
01:39:37,109 --> 01:39:38,489
Dave Jones: It's kind of
shocking and

1503
01:39:38,490 --> 01:39:40,500
Adam Curry: that have to come
after podcast pretty soon, too.

1504
01:39:40,500 --> 01:39:42,600
I mean, they're only talking
about social media. But this

1505
01:39:42,600 --> 01:39:45,660
it's got to be the same. You
have to have the same. The same

1506
01:39:45,660 --> 01:39:47,340
rules for podcasting, I would
presume.

1507
01:39:47,729 --> 01:39:51,959
Dave Jones: Yeah. The word
podcasting did not appear in any

1508
01:39:51,959 --> 01:39:52,919
of the new guidelines.

1509
01:39:52,979 --> 01:39:55,649
Adam Curry: No, of course not
idiots. There's your loophole.

1510
01:39:55,739 --> 01:39:57,029
I'm doing a podcast.

1511
01:39:57,420 --> 01:40:02,370
Dave Jones: Well, there's your
there's your A incentive for

1512
01:40:02,400 --> 01:40:05,820
other services to call
themselves podcasts. or YouTube.

1513
01:40:05,820 --> 01:40:09,150
There you go. yourself a
podcast. You're not a social

1514
01:40:09,150 --> 01:40:11,190
media influencer. You're a
podcaster.

1515
01:40:11,609 --> 01:40:15,989
Adam Curry: Man. Yeah. So, so I
need to ask, you know, what is

1516
01:40:15,989 --> 01:40:19,259
this? This peer tube? Is that a
podcast? Because Todd Cochran

1517
01:40:19,259 --> 01:40:19,949
wants to know.

1518
01:40:22,770 --> 01:40:25,050
Unknown: I mean, technically,
it's not an audio file in the

1519
01:40:25,050 --> 01:40:28,080
enclosure. Yeah. It's just a
text file.

1520
01:40:29,820 --> 01:40:34,560
Adam Curry: A text file. Oh,
man, I love those guys arguing.

1521
01:40:34,620 --> 01:40:35,310
It's so

1522
01:40:35,310 --> 01:40:37,110
Alecks Gates: that's what,
that's why the medium title is

1523
01:40:37,110 --> 01:40:41,010
valid. Like, I see people who
have things that they call

1524
01:40:41,010 --> 01:40:45,630
podcasts on YouTube and Oh,
good. They're not always maybe

1525
01:40:45,630 --> 01:40:50,850
they have not really RSS feeds.
But the medium is the podcast.

1526
01:40:51,270 --> 01:40:53,820
And then that's kind of where
the whole idea started. Which is

1527
01:40:54,270 --> 01:40:55,620
why we're here today. I

1528
01:40:55,650 --> 01:40:58,410
Adam Curry: love that go medium
tag.

1529
01:41:00,450 --> 01:41:03,300
Dave Jones: Yeah, it's it's
crazy. It's critically important

1530
01:41:03,300 --> 01:41:04,560
to go where we need to go.

1531
01:41:05,340 --> 01:41:06,810
Adam Curry: I'm with you,
brother. Let's do this. Let's

1532
01:41:06,810 --> 01:41:08,700
thanks some people because we
got been getting a lot of boost

1533
01:41:08,700 --> 01:41:12,660
coming in during this during
this lit lit version of the

1534
01:41:12,660 --> 01:41:19,050
show. And I want to thank people
appropriately. We have a white

1535
01:41:19,050 --> 01:41:24,390
mic is what he's called. A white
mic booster to booster grams or

1536
01:41:24,390 --> 01:41:28,260
3333. I guess he's coming up
with names for the for the show

1537
01:41:28,260 --> 01:41:32,730
true audio party, tap tap into
the party to audio party with

1538
01:41:32,730 --> 01:41:37,110
redundant word party. But what
but what did from pin number

1539
01:41:37,740 --> 01:41:45,030
apps all involving tapping in
apps? Good work on it. Actually,

1540
01:41:45,030 --> 01:41:48,630
I wanted something like the
boost bin or the boost box.

1541
01:41:48,630 --> 01:41:52,020
That's I was thinking along
those lines. Of course none of

1542
01:41:52,020 --> 01:41:54,000
those domain names are
available, so it kind of

1543
01:41:54,000 --> 01:41:59,670
precludes it. We've got our
Davis 87 with 10,000 101 He says

1544
01:41:59,670 --> 01:42:03,120
music side project top 40 Friday
night at Easter no agenda

1545
01:42:03,120 --> 01:42:09,510
stream.com Go podcast is that
the new name? Yes, yeah, it's a

1546
01:42:09,510 --> 01:42:16,410
great one. Dave Jones 10,000
SATs went to the heads up per

1547
01:42:16,410 --> 01:42:21,090
track he actually said killer
tracks so hopefully the ride and

1548
01:42:21,090 --> 01:42:26,010
progress band will receive that
we've got Tom tomsky 777 Mini

1549
01:42:26,010 --> 01:42:30,060
striper boost split and music
test. Go make music there Steven

1550
01:42:30,060 --> 01:42:34,320
B with 3333 doing that from the
split kid heads up it's a live

1551
01:42:34,320 --> 01:42:37,920
music boost in the split kit.
Nice promotion, cotton gin

1552
01:42:37,950 --> 01:42:45,540
posting 3333 Four right in
progress. Let's see hardhat 3333

1553
01:42:45,540 --> 01:42:50,910
No note another 3333 from cotton
gin 5000 from Steven be posting

1554
01:42:51,210 --> 01:42:54,300
for the song during the split
kit for heads up Eric p p

1555
01:42:54,570 --> 01:43:01,530
33,333. Very nice. Yo OS we're
using both music side project

1556
01:43:01,530 --> 01:43:05,370
and wave lake side by side makes
it weird in podcasting apps to

1557
01:43:05,370 --> 01:43:08,220
feeds and cast thematic and
others but this far MSP is

1558
01:43:08,220 --> 01:43:13,470
proven more popular. Well that's
interesting. Blueberry with

1559
01:43:13,470 --> 01:43:19,380
11,111 and was able to conform
the split kits were split kid

1560
01:43:19,380 --> 01:43:22,320
works with at least this many
song and live chapter blocks.

1561
01:43:22,320 --> 01:43:26,220
He's got a link there. I think
the final count was 21 that

1562
01:43:26,220 --> 01:43:29,130
included an intermission block
with custom durations for our

1563
01:43:29,130 --> 01:43:32,460
mixes live GIF art changed
seamlessly it was beautiful

1564
01:43:32,460 --> 01:43:36,300
Steven B. Yeah this split kid
man Holy crap. Yeah, this this

1565
01:43:36,300 --> 01:43:39,120
something to me see what this
what this link looks like with

1566
01:43:39,120 --> 01:43:45,060
this. Second one. Here we go.
Let me see. Show me the split

1567
01:43:45,060 --> 01:43:48,450
kit value block because you can
you when you when you do it. Oh

1568
01:43:48,450 --> 01:43:51,600
my goodness. Oh, that's
hilarious. Hold on. I gotta put

1569
01:43:51,600 --> 01:43:55,530
that in the chat room. That's
hilarious. Look at look at this

1570
01:43:55,530 --> 01:44:00,720
list. That is very cool. So this
must have been that must have

1571
01:44:00,720 --> 01:44:05,520
been all songs then. I guess.
Let me see. And I think that

1572
01:44:05,520 --> 01:44:09,990
song Holy crap. That's. That's a
lot. stuffs working man. I love

1573
01:44:09,990 --> 01:44:16,380
that. We go to tone wrecker.
Hola, 1333 Bookstagram two year

1574
01:44:16,380 --> 01:44:19,110
anniversary of July 7 is wild.
Thank you to everyone putting in

1575
01:44:19,110 --> 01:44:21,690
the work and making the effort
to make such progress. Of course

1576
01:44:21,690 --> 01:44:25,080
we love everybody has been doing
that. We got Cole McCormick with

1577
01:44:25,080 --> 01:44:32,310
5492 What up live boost cotton
gin with 3333 it br Thanks for

1578
01:44:32,310 --> 01:44:36,810
the pod ping help earlier. I
don't know if you did that you

1579
01:44:36,810 --> 01:44:41,040
might have we've got Dred Scott
boosting in the split kit.

1580
01:44:41,040 --> 01:44:48,960
22,222 very nice official rows.
Super cool. Our Davis 87 again

1581
01:44:48,960 --> 01:44:52,470
boosting podcast and 2.0 for the
tour of sausage making factory I

1582
01:44:52,470 --> 01:44:56,040
love the inside baseball field
go poskitt podcasting episode

1583
01:44:56,040 --> 01:45:02,490
boost yesterday. Steven B II
with the split kit which is a

1584
01:45:02,490 --> 01:45:06,300
boost for you Dave it says boost
for date I think it went to your

1585
01:45:06,300 --> 01:45:07,890
node somehow

1586
01:45:08,729 --> 01:45:09,509
Dave Jones: what is it

1587
01:45:09,540 --> 01:45:14,250
Adam Curry: I don't know it just
says Dave Jones so maybe just he

1588
01:45:14,250 --> 01:45:17,790
just put you in there I don't
know what he's using but your

1589
01:45:17,790 --> 01:45:22,110
wallet receives something I'm
sure boop donation to eight

1590
01:45:22,110 --> 01:45:25,380
double oh eight from I am Mr.
Robot just noticed the animated

1591
01:45:25,380 --> 01:45:28,320
logo and fountain live for this
episode definitely is the first

1592
01:45:28,320 --> 01:45:31,260
one I've seen would love to see
it implemented more five by five

1593
01:45:31,260 --> 01:45:35,490
in the GIF. Yeah, that's our
beautiful, our beautiful lit

1594
01:45:37,560 --> 01:45:40,890
arch which is indeed animated
and works. We love it. Courtesy

1595
01:45:40,890 --> 01:45:45,090
of bloom of blueberry. Then we
have anonymous who just before

1596
01:45:45,090 --> 01:45:50,490
we started the show decided to
come in and do a massive baller

1597
01:45:50,490 --> 01:45:57,150
duck boost 20 222,222 boosting
for when this is over by Ally

1598
01:45:57,150 --> 01:46:01,200
Mitchell so not entirely to us,
but definitely give you $1 For

1599
01:46:01,200 --> 01:46:07,230
that Blaze only Impala beautiful
Dred Scott with 1000 SATs and a

1600
01:46:07,230 --> 01:46:11,940
second Dred Scott with 123456
boosting for the boost busco

1601
01:46:11,940 --> 01:46:18,600
podcast Thank you shot 20 his
blades on him very much

1602
01:46:18,600 --> 01:46:21,570
appreciate and that does it for
our live boost except for the

1603
01:46:21,570 --> 01:46:25,500
one that might have just come
in. Oh, there it is. Oh, boy.

1604
01:46:25,710 --> 01:46:31,200
Oh, of course. Darren O'Neal.
110,416 Satoshis. Hey, you need

1605
01:46:31,200 --> 01:46:38,610
a shouty voice rhyming sidekick
for that new music show. Blaze

1606
01:46:38,640 --> 01:46:42,060
only Impala. We need a name
first. Darren. That's what we

1607
01:46:42,060 --> 01:46:44,880
need. Get us a name. That's what
we got to start with artwork is

1608
01:46:44,880 --> 01:46:47,430
hints of artwork and some
jingles and yeah, we got a lot

1609
01:46:47,430 --> 01:46:51,150
to do. Yeah, but I'm pumped. I'm
getting ready. I'm very excited

1610
01:46:51,150 --> 01:46:52,980
about it. Very excited about it.

1611
01:46:53,700 --> 01:46:58,500
Dave Jones: We got one. Baller
Pay Pal. Oh, right. Yeah, we

1612
01:46:58,500 --> 01:47:03,240
did. From the boys@rss.com. Ben
and Alberto, in the gang of

1613
01:47:03,240 --> 01:47:05,220
$555.

1614
01:47:07,350 --> 01:47:11,130
Adam Curry: Dude, thank you so
much. rss.com. Man, keeping us

1615
01:47:11,130 --> 01:47:13,560
going appreciate that so much.
Appreciate your

1616
01:47:14,280 --> 01:47:17,490
Dave Jones: location, location,
location. Thank you, Adam, Dave,

1617
01:47:17,490 --> 01:47:20,790
and all other contributors to
the location tag from your

1618
01:47:20,790 --> 01:47:26,460
friends@rss.com they released
four tags supported now things

1619
01:47:26,670 --> 01:47:32,850
look better look this up.
Location liasons episode and

1620
01:47:32,850 --> 01:47:35,640
season so they get there.
They're coming on there and

1621
01:47:35,640 --> 01:47:37,020
they're rolling them out.

1622
01:47:37,050 --> 01:47:42,960
Adam Curry: Nice. Steven B just
sent a suggestion. For name,

1623
01:47:43,200 --> 01:47:46,110
which I'm going to first see if
it's available for I mentioned

1624
01:47:46,110 --> 01:47:46,260
it.

1625
01:47:48,270 --> 01:47:51,150
Dave Jones: Only send a send in
boost. Boost form.

1626
01:47:51,210 --> 01:47:54,570
Adam Curry: Yeah, hold on. Let
me see if it's available. What

1627
01:47:54,570 --> 01:47:57,750
do you think of boost bangers
ball?

1628
01:47:59,130 --> 01:48:03,240
Dave Jones: I like it. I like
boosts mayor's ball. That

1629
01:48:05,340 --> 01:48:07,680
Adam Curry: boosts bangers ball
might be cute. We could also do

1630
01:48:07,680 --> 01:48:10,980
boosters ball but boost bangers
ball kind of fits with me a

1631
01:48:10,980 --> 01:48:13,620
little bit although I want
people to think it's only one

1632
01:48:13,620 --> 01:48:17,550
type of music. True boost
bangers my wife registered it

1633
01:48:17,550 --> 01:48:21,060
just in case you never know.
John the list even thank you

1634
01:48:21,060 --> 01:48:22,740
very much. Good one good idea.

1635
01:48:24,030 --> 01:48:29,520
Dave Jones: Let's see here.
Okay, I guess Mr. Graham's Thank

1636
01:48:29,520 --> 01:48:31,560
you, Ben and Alberta. Appreciate
you guys. Yeah, thank you. I

1637
01:48:32,220 --> 01:48:36,510
guess Mr. Graham's 3333 from
harm head times to no note thank

1638
01:48:36,510 --> 01:48:41,010
you hard hat. Oh, there's
Blueberry. Blueberry said oh, he

1639
01:48:41,010 --> 01:48:46,260
said he sent his animated GIF to
me. Nice. Sorry. I couldn't get

1640
01:48:46,260 --> 01:48:50,190
his in before the show. No, no
problem. I've I was gonna I was

1641
01:48:50,190 --> 01:48:56,040
gonna send him his 100k sat
bounty and ran out of liquidity.

1642
01:48:56,070 --> 01:49:00,090
Oh, no. On your no guest index
channel. So I had to. I didn't

1643
01:49:00,090 --> 01:49:03,180
have enough liquidity to send
the whole thing so I didn't open

1644
01:49:03,180 --> 01:49:06,570
a new channel. But it seems that
opens I'll send it this

1645
01:49:06,570 --> 01:49:11,010
afternoon. Joel ws central
Richards. 1111. No note. Thank

1646
01:49:11,010 --> 01:49:15,420
you, Joe. Debbie. froze ear
25,000 SATs he says thank you.

1647
01:49:16,530 --> 01:49:20,910
Thank you. Ro ducks from
anonymous. Thank you. No note on

1648
01:49:20,910 --> 01:49:27,510
that. 20 To 22 from UPS Chris.
Oh, this is a UPS guy right UPS

1649
01:49:27,510 --> 01:49:29,310
Adam Curry: Chris? Oh, yeah. He
gives us all the inside dirt on

1650
01:49:29,310 --> 01:49:33,060
the strike on the pending
strike. Which by the way, if UPS

1651
01:49:33,060 --> 01:49:35,730
goes on strike, this is going to
be a problem in America.

1652
01:49:36,330 --> 01:49:38,940
Dave Jones: Yeah, Mirka is going
to cease to exist

1653
01:49:40,109 --> 01:49:41,069
Adam Curry: will be a problem.

1654
01:49:41,760 --> 01:49:44,550
Dave Jones: UPS Chris and 2222.
And he says thank you for that.

1655
01:49:44,580 --> 01:49:46,470
Thank you, Adam for constantly
telling the truth.

1656
01:49:47,609 --> 01:49:48,689
Adam Curry: My pleasure

1657
01:49:49,800 --> 01:49:54,750
Dave Jones: to see DS last and
777 He says I love These

1658
01:49:54,750 --> 01:49:56,520
meetings. You too are doing the
Lord's work. Well, thank you

1659
01:49:56,520 --> 01:50:07,200
these last Expo RIT A resume
XORESME xo XO Resnick so resume.

1660
01:50:09,150 --> 01:50:10,170
Adam Curry: Resume. I don't
know.

1661
01:50:11,729 --> 01:50:14,069
Dave Jones: 10,000 says no, no,
thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

1662
01:50:14,069 --> 01:50:18,719
So resume, Chris from Jupiter.
Jupiter broadcasting that Chris

1663
01:50:18,719 --> 01:50:23,759
Vickery says a monster satchel a
huge satchel Richard, it has to

1664
01:50:23,759 --> 01:50:29,309
be huge to fit his social
Richard 111111 fountain. Very

1665
01:50:29,309 --> 01:50:29,609
nice.

1666
01:50:30,779 --> 01:50:33,029
Adam Curry: Boost. Thank you.
Beautiful

1667
01:50:33,750 --> 01:50:37,650
Dave Jones: boosting for that
road duo talk. I'm also keeping

1668
01:50:37,650 --> 01:50:39,270
my eye on it near tax time.

1669
01:50:40,170 --> 01:50:43,800
Adam Curry: Yeah, I set up my
whole duplicate system. I got

1670
01:50:43,800 --> 01:50:47,160
everything everything is now in
duplicate. But you know, the duo

1671
01:50:47,160 --> 01:50:51,840
was 499 all the other stuff my
MIDI keyboard by Yeah, I got

1672
01:50:51,840 --> 01:50:55,440
another mouse I got another
mouse pad I got a regular your

1673
01:50:55,440 --> 01:51:00,090
wireless keyboard of course I
hook it all into the what do you

1674
01:51:00,090 --> 01:51:03,480
call it into the surface, which
I take on the road, which I also

1675
01:51:03,480 --> 01:51:06,780
updated. It's always fun when
you open up a Windows machine

1676
01:51:06,930 --> 01:51:10,380
three months since the last time
you use it. It takes about three

1677
01:51:10,380 --> 01:51:13,410
hours to update itself and all
that crap that goes on. It's the

1678
01:51:13,410 --> 01:51:16,770
worst thing ever. And that cost
like 150 bucks to do all that.

1679
01:51:16,770 --> 01:51:20,730
So my whole road kit is good to
go. And I'm gonna be maybe I'll

1680
01:51:20,730 --> 01:51:24,300
test it next week. Just use the
whole duplicate system. That duo

1681
01:51:24,300 --> 01:51:27,450
caster is some sweet sweet joy,
man. I'll tell you.

1682
01:51:28,200 --> 01:51:30,870
Dave Jones: I'm beautiful. Get
it? I'm gonna have to get it.

1683
01:51:30,930 --> 01:51:31,650
It's a

1684
01:51:31,650 --> 01:51:34,110
Adam Curry: beautiful box. And
I'll give any if you want my my

1685
01:51:34,110 --> 01:51:35,580
settings, we're happy to send
them to you.

1686
01:51:36,269 --> 01:51:38,369
Dave Jones: Yes, absolutely. I'm
gonna have to get it because I

1687
01:51:38,369 --> 01:51:41,639
think I'm going to start a new
podcast at some point. Oh,

1688
01:51:42,059 --> 01:51:46,709
Adam Curry: are we are we
breaking up? Are you cheating on

1689
01:51:46,709 --> 01:51:46,889
me?

1690
01:51:47,370 --> 01:51:49,080
Dave Jones: No, this is an open
relationship.

1691
01:51:49,830 --> 01:51:54,150
Adam Curry: I don't know if I'm
poly? I'm not so sure. A poly

1692
01:51:54,150 --> 01:51:54,930
podcaster

1693
01:51:56,070 --> 01:51:59,100
Dave Jones: or you don't want to
be in the lifestyle? No, I

1694
01:51:59,100 --> 01:51:59,850
Adam Curry: don't think so.

1695
01:52:01,109 --> 01:52:03,719
Dave Jones: No, this is not this
is not that kind of fun. This is

1696
01:52:03,719 --> 01:52:05,369
a solo operation here. Oh,

1697
01:52:05,370 --> 01:52:07,530
Adam Curry: what are you going
to do? When do you want to lift

1698
01:52:07,530 --> 01:52:08,790
a little tip of the veil?

1699
01:52:09,420 --> 01:52:12,210
Dave Jones: Oh, it's just it's
nothing big. It's just something

1700
01:52:12,210 --> 01:52:17,100
to read a ton. tons of books
like I just finished the

1701
01:52:17,100 --> 01:52:21,390
technological society by Chaka
law. Great book, Fantastic book,

1702
01:52:21,420 --> 01:52:26,520
big book. And as I'm reading
these books, I highlight a lot a

1703
01:52:26,520 --> 01:52:30,600
markup a lot. And I'm like, you
know this. So take a deck of

1704
01:52:30,600 --> 01:52:35,850
book like the technological
society. Very dense, very thick

1705
01:52:35,850 --> 01:52:41,340
book. Yeah, it's a lot to ask
somebody. There's so much

1706
01:52:41,370 --> 01:52:45,330
information in there this
valuable but it's spread out

1707
01:52:45,360 --> 01:52:49,590
through the whole book in little
nuggets, you know, you don't you

1708
01:52:49,590 --> 01:52:52,260
don't necessarily want to have
somebody want to ask somebody to

1709
01:52:52,260 --> 01:52:58,560
read 500 pages of a book in
order to get like, you know, a

1710
01:52:58,560 --> 01:53:02,880
dozen good little chunks out of
it. So I thought why don't I

1711
01:53:02,880 --> 01:53:06,330
just have like a little thing
where when I hit one of those

1712
01:53:06,330 --> 01:53:10,110
chunks, just record just record
it. Oh, and throw it into

1713
01:53:10,110 --> 01:53:13,560
podcast, no discussions, no book
reviews, none of that just like

1714
01:53:13,980 --> 01:53:16,110
Adam Curry: I like that. Yeah,
that's kind of what you do on

1715
01:53:16,110 --> 01:53:19,110
signal you send me little blurbs
from from some of your books.

1716
01:53:19,590 --> 01:53:23,730
Dave Jones: Yeah and then like I
could thread it like it's a way

1717
01:53:23,730 --> 01:53:26,460
to get through and hit the all
the highlight the cliffnotes

1718
01:53:26,460 --> 01:53:30,720
version of a book in in Episode
form over you know over a few

1719
01:53:30,720 --> 01:53:31,200
weeks

1720
01:53:31,200 --> 01:53:33,660
Adam Curry: into that I'd
subscribe for sure. Count me in

1721
01:53:33,690 --> 01:53:34,350
count me.

1722
01:53:34,979 --> 01:53:36,989
Dave Jones: Well, I need to do I
need a road caster do Oh,

1723
01:53:36,990 --> 01:53:39,420
Adam Curry: yes. Yes. Then count
me in.

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01:53:39,899 --> 01:53:42,779
Dave Jones: Okay. Brian is
bigger. 500 says that's a fun

1725
01:53:42,779 --> 01:53:47,039
song boosting Thank you Thank
you. Be mozzie Brian mozzie

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through fountains and it's 3333
says go podcasting podcast your

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uncle Uncle Laurent sent us
satchel Richards go podcasting.

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01:54:03,750 --> 01:54:05,040
Adam Curry: There you go. I'll
do it.

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01:54:06,479 --> 01:54:11,879
Dave Jones: remake. remake.
Rhema King. I don't know these

1730
01:54:11,879 --> 01:54:17,519
names. Remaking Oh, here it is
remaking Eden. Oh yeah, remaking

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01:54:17,549 --> 01:54:23,279
Edison 5000 SATs no note that
that one. Made my eyes crossed.

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01:54:23,729 --> 01:54:28,019
Jean been 4096 a 4k killer
boost. Said they said the new

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01:54:28,019 --> 01:54:32,189
XMPP enabled boost bot that also
post activity pub sounds really

1734
01:54:32,189 --> 01:54:42,719
nice. And he sent another 4096
Thank you. GMB. Alex. What

1735
01:54:42,719 --> 01:54:48,329
exactly have you done? What did
you do with the with the boost

1736
01:54:48,329 --> 01:54:53,909
bot as you hooked it into the
room on or the channel on no

1737
01:54:53,909 --> 01:54:54,509
agenda tube?

1738
01:54:56,880 --> 01:54:59,010
Unknown: Well, that's kind of
the beautiful thing about XMPP

1739
01:54:59,010 --> 01:55:02,250
and activity buffers. It
matters. You don't really hook

1740
01:55:02,250 --> 01:55:06,690
it into the room so much is you
have an account that you connect

1741
01:55:06,690 --> 01:55:11,130
to the erection PP server and it
will post it whatever room is in

1742
01:55:11,130 --> 01:55:16,710
the feed. So whenever a push
comes in, it listens to l&d. It

1743
01:55:16,710 --> 01:55:23,340
finds the XMPP room and the chat
tag and it posts to that room.

1744
01:55:23,700 --> 01:55:24,840
So that's all this.

1745
01:55:25,439 --> 01:55:29,909
Dave Jones: So you just you
took, you can boost byte code

1746
01:55:29,909 --> 01:55:32,999
and just written in added that
in there.

1747
01:55:33,600 --> 01:55:36,990
Unknown: And the benefit of that
versus IRC is you don't need an

1748
01:55:36,990 --> 01:55:39,480
account on every IRC server. You
just have one account

1749
01:55:40,890 --> 01:55:46,110
Dave Jones: Okay, and that's
Ivan's code Yep. Python

1750
01:55:46,109 --> 01:55:48,479
Unknown: I don't think he's I
believe it's running in his his

1751
01:55:48,479 --> 01:55:51,329
yet so we'll have to help him
with that. Okay, so I run it

1752
01:55:51,329 --> 01:55:51,749
myself.

1753
01:55:53,070 --> 01:55:56,250
Dave Jones: Oh, killer awesome.
We got Jean bean again with

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01:55:56,250 --> 01:55:59,310
10,000 says boosting the tunes
and podcasting 2.0 from pod

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01:55:59,310 --> 01:56:05,070
verse while flying home for
vacation. Oh, post 5000 SATs

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01:56:05,070 --> 01:56:08,040
from Nick it says good too and
one of the better V for V tracks

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as the 3333 from I love sushi
says test boost from pod verse

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we got you I love sushi. Bill
Prague. Think he's a hot thing.

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Bill's a hive guy. 5000 SATs
they found he says not sure

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01:56:20,760 --> 01:56:25,230
about using about the using apps
thing. Seen some apps kicked out

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from the store because of crypto
tipping option could be

1762
01:56:27,810 --> 01:56:31,350
important to have a good browser
alternative. Yeah,

1763
01:56:31,380 --> 01:56:33,630
Adam Curry: yeah, we've we've
thought of that and we're just

1764
01:56:33,630 --> 01:56:35,550
crossing our fingers and our
legs.

1765
01:56:36,060 --> 01:56:38,910
Dave Jones: Yes, right.
Anonymous 10,000 says he says

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01:56:38,910 --> 01:56:46,380
coupon coupon codes are
bullshit. Okay, bad career

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01:56:46,380 --> 01:56:49,680
advice. Chad says hello Richards
through Felton. He says boosting

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for the protection of listeners
from the homeliness of their

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favorite podcasters on jump
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boosting from pod verse did it
go through? Did it go to the

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time value split boost it did it
did it did? Yes sir twin screw

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1893 through fountain no note
Captain egghead 2222 through pod

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verse no note Kyron 1000 sets he
says testing in front of a BTC

1774
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meetup nice very cool. Those on
episode 136 Good one card oh wow

1775
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I was podcast Kyron tu tu tu tu
tu tu

1776
01:57:41,580 --> 01:57:43,650
Adam Curry: There you go three
and one nice

1777
01:57:44,069 --> 01:57:46,049
Dave Jones: through found he
says I truly believe that value

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01:57:46,049 --> 01:57:48,509
for value will change the world
digital content creators of all

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01:57:48,509 --> 01:57:52,799
sorts music podcasts art written
word in their audience are going

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to learn why this is important.
It's a win win for both sides.

1781
01:57:56,399 --> 01:57:59,489
Both feel better after the value
exchange added a V for V

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01:57:59,489 --> 01:58:02,699
presentation at a Bitcoin meetup
last night in the excitement is

1783
01:58:02,699 --> 01:58:06,239
palpable. When combined with
programmable money, it is such a

1784
01:58:06,509 --> 01:58:09,869
is so killer. A cover the
philosophy of this all in the

1785
01:58:09,869 --> 01:58:13,379
value for value podcast. Season
Three is now lit. Oh, that's

1786
01:58:13,379 --> 01:58:13,709
right. He's

1787
01:58:13,859 --> 01:58:18,569
Adam Curry: right. Yes, yes.
Yes. I'm sure you heard about

1788
01:58:18,569 --> 01:58:22,769
it. It was kind of interesting
to see. Larry Fink douchebag

1789
01:58:22,769 --> 01:58:28,619
think ESG Fink of Blackrock on
what was that? The Fifth of

1790
01:58:28,619 --> 01:58:32,579
July. So it was right after?
Right after Fourth of July,

1791
01:58:32,609 --> 01:58:36,719
obviously, on on Fox Business.
He was interviewed for about 15

1792
01:58:36,719 --> 01:58:40,319
minutes and he was just say he
was singing bitcoins praises

1793
01:58:41,970 --> 01:58:47,550
Dave Jones: that the ETF thing I
think is is a much. It's a big

1794
01:58:47,550 --> 01:58:49,620
deal. Well, it's actually a big
deal.

1795
01:58:49,649 --> 01:58:51,689
Adam Curry: I mean, I don't know
if that's good or bad or

1796
01:58:51,689 --> 01:58:54,629
whatever. But I have I think

1797
01:58:54,660 --> 01:58:58,350
Dave Jones: well, let me see. I
don't know if you remember this

1798
01:58:58,380 --> 01:59:00,810
as well. That's a stupid thing
to say. Of course you do you

1799
01:59:00,810 --> 01:59:04,830
remember all this stuff? The Z
and I'm serious about that.

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Because you remember you have a
clip memory. That's crazy. Yeah.

1801
01:59:08,460 --> 01:59:11,640
Do you remember about a year and
a half ago on this show? You

1802
01:59:11,640 --> 01:59:16,140
played a clip from Larry Fink
talking about Bitcoin. And your

1803
01:59:16,140 --> 01:59:21,510
comment at the time was that you
thought that these dudes like

1804
01:59:21,510 --> 01:59:27,840
him? Were in the background?
building their own

1805
01:59:28,530 --> 01:59:33,630
Adam Curry: horse? Oh, no, in
fact, think it was this one.

1806
01:59:33,720 --> 01:59:34,200
It's quite it's

1807
01:59:34,199 --> 01:59:39,179
Unknown: still a very small
market. And it can move in very

1808
01:59:39,779 --> 01:59:46,259
large increments with small
movements of money. And so it's

1809
01:59:46,259 --> 01:59:51,689
not a market for the for the for
the calm. I understand the

1810
01:59:51,689 --> 01:59:52,559
enthusiasm.

1811
01:59:52,710 --> 01:59:55,140
Adam Curry: When you were
talking about maybe

1812
01:59:55,560 --> 01:59:59,460
Unknown: the Murata. This asset
category is so small relative to

1813
01:59:59,460 --> 02:00:03,120
other asset The category and the
preponderance that is being

1814
02:00:03,120 --> 02:00:07,830
discussed on Bloomberg and other
sources of media tells you that,

1815
02:00:07,860 --> 02:00:11,400
you know, people are fascinated
about it. So I would say

1816
02:00:11,400 --> 02:00:15,990
Business Media believes it's
going to have a huge future. But

1817
02:00:16,020 --> 02:00:20,220
but let's bring it down to the
investor side, everyone is

1818
02:00:20,220 --> 02:00:24,510
focusing on it, it could be
another store of wealth. But

1819
02:00:24,510 --> 02:00:29,010
right now, it's still untested,
and has huge volatility and

1820
02:00:29,010 --> 02:00:32,790
moving and five and 6%
increments with small dollars,

1821
02:00:32,820 --> 02:00:39,270
investments moving. And so for,
for anything like that to be. To

1822
02:00:39,270 --> 02:00:42,930
be truly successful, it's going
to have to have a broadening of

1823
02:00:42,930 --> 02:00:47,130
the market. And you could invest
large sums of money without

1824
02:00:47,130 --> 02:00:52,230
moving the value. To the extent
it's doing it. So we're watching

1825
02:00:52,230 --> 02:00:58,050
it, we're enjoying the
conversation is my instinct, it

1826
02:00:58,050 --> 02:01:04,860
may some form of a of a
digitized currency is going to

1827
02:01:04,860 --> 02:01:08,070
play a bigger role in the future
and it may be in Bitcoin, or

1828
02:01:08,070 --> 02:01:10,620
maybe something else that has
developed, but there is a

1829
02:01:10,620 --> 02:01:15,030
fascination and that fascination
is really

1830
02:01:15,090 --> 02:01:20,700
Adam Curry: fun to watch. So
that was June 24 2021. I have 45

1831
02:01:20,700 --> 02:01:23,880
seconds of him from this earlier
this week. And also

1832
02:01:23,880 --> 02:01:31,680
I do believe the role of crypto
is it is it's digitizing gold in

1833
02:01:31,680 --> 02:01:36,630
many ways. It's instead of
investing in gold as a hedge

1834
02:01:36,630 --> 02:01:40,920
against inflation, a hedge
against the onerous problems of

1835
02:01:40,920 --> 02:01:45,840
any one country or, or the, for
the devaluation of your

1836
02:01:45,840 --> 02:01:50,850
currency, whatever country
you're in. Let's be clear,

1837
02:01:50,970 --> 02:01:55,590
Bitcoin is an international
asset. It's not based on any one

1838
02:01:55,590 --> 02:02:00,990
currency. And so it can
represent a asset that people

1839
02:02:00,990 --> 02:02:06,240
can play as an alternative. I
would call the foundation of

1840
02:02:06,240 --> 02:02:11,130
Blackrock is about hope. You
invest for retirement because

1841
02:02:11,130 --> 02:02:13,530
you believe tomorrow is better
than today.

1842
02:02:15,060 --> 02:02:20,640
That last bit means but whatever
they say an international asset

1843
02:02:22,170 --> 02:02:22,950
like gold

1844
02:02:23,310 --> 02:02:25,920
Dave Jones: in that earlier that
earlier thing, it's clear he

1845
02:02:25,920 --> 02:02:29,070
said we need to we need to, it
could be a store of value. We

1846
02:02:29,070 --> 02:02:32,370
need a broadening of the market.
That's what the largest that's

1847
02:02:32,370 --> 02:02:33,750
the ETF. I've seen ETF

1848
02:02:33,780 --> 02:02:36,540
Adam Curry: Yeah, well, at least
is recognized as something real.

1849
02:02:37,140 --> 02:02:39,360
Yeah, we see it as real as real
value.

1850
02:02:40,979 --> 02:02:44,789
Dave Jones: Borlaug. 10,001 sets
the pod verse, no note, thank

1851
02:02:44,789 --> 02:02:48,479
you for log, and we got the
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Adam Curry: CSV, man it's so
nice. He's promoting all these

1861
02:03:25,919 --> 02:03:29,039
other podcasts and I think
that's very commendable. Very

1862
02:03:29,039 --> 02:03:29,729
nice of him.

1863
02:03:32,250 --> 02:03:35,430
Dave Jones: Let's see. Did you
get drips gots? 123456 I did.

1864
02:03:35,520 --> 02:03:41,610
Adam Curry: I did a few more
that came in just now. Steven B

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02:03:41,610 --> 02:03:45,900
says boost bangers ball was
cotton gins suggestion credit do

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and then TJ the raffle 70,000
SATs. Thank you very much TJ

1867
02:03:51,060 --> 02:03:54,750
exciting music talk today I want
to help even more but as a

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02:03:54,810 --> 02:03:57,840
recovering musician and
struggling just to survive I'll

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02:03:57,840 --> 02:04:01,890
boost when I can. Everyone
supporting and working on P 2.0.

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V four v music Thank you see
people excited.

1871
02:04:06,810 --> 02:04:12,510
Dave Jones: I don't know what
this is a Boris Celski. He sent

1872
02:04:12,510 --> 02:04:15,780
this notice that you really want
to go the kim.com path

1873
02:04:17,700 --> 02:04:22,200
Adam Curry: kim.com path. Oh, is
that about influencer stuff?

1874
02:04:22,649 --> 02:04:24,929
Dave Jones: I don't know. I
don't know. I'm not sure what

1875
02:04:24,929 --> 02:04:29,009
he's talking about those decent
10,000 SATs but I don't know. I

1876
02:04:29,009 --> 02:04:29,159
don't

1877
02:04:29,160 --> 02:04:33,000
Adam Curry: know for sure. We
got 1000 SATs from our Davis 87

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02:04:33,030 --> 02:04:38,730
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talk weekly.

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Dave Jones: book blurb not blur.
But blur.

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02:04:44,040 --> 02:04:45,240
Adam Curry: Beautiful,
beautiful.

1882
02:04:45,600 --> 02:04:47,940
Dave Jones: Oh, we get the
monthlies. Yeah, we got it. We

1883
02:04:47,940 --> 02:04:51,570
got a few of those may run down.
We'll see. We got Cameron Rose

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02:04:51,570 --> 02:04:54,180
$25 Thank you, Cameron. He's
been with us for a long time.

1885
02:04:54,180 --> 02:04:59,460
Scott Jalbert $12 Chad Pharaoh.
Thank you, Chad. $20.20 Mark

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Graham. $1 new media that's
Martin lindskog. $1 Thank you

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Martin. Joseph maraca $5 Jeremy
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Adam Curry: Thank you all very
much this is a value for value

1889
02:05:13,590 --> 02:05:17,070
product the entire project is
value for value if you ever

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02:05:17,070 --> 02:05:19,920
wondering if this stuff works
just sit here and listen to the

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boosted gram and the donation
segment it does people like to

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support things that they're a
part of they'd like to be a part

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of the community and you can be
they are with booster grams with

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Fiat fund coupons as well we've
got the chat room we've got the

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you know the podcast index dot
social this started from zero

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from 03 years ago it's been
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grow almost three years army you
know in August okay so three

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02:05:44,580 --> 02:05:47,820
three years in August and it's
not because of Adam curry and

1899
02:05:47,820 --> 02:05:50,250
Dave Jones is a huge brand
names.

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02:05:51,930 --> 02:05:53,520
Dave Jones: The Dave Jones brand
was epic.

1901
02:05:54,090 --> 02:05:57,120
Adam Curry: So you know, it's
because we pushed and we pushed

1902
02:05:57,120 --> 02:06:00,510
and we and we asked them we said
here's the value return it to us

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02:06:00,510 --> 02:06:03,870
and people do in many ways, but
the three main ones are time

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talent and treasure go to
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Okay Dawn is cooking I think I

1913
02:06:40,740 --> 02:06:43,020
just hear pots and pans rattling
and

1914
02:06:43,530 --> 02:06:53,070
Dave Jones: that was me that was
through see I have put my

1915
02:06:53,070 --> 02:06:56,340
clipboard on. On this radiator.

1916
02:06:56,399 --> 02:06:57,419
Adam Curry: Oh okay,

1917
02:06:57,450 --> 02:07:00,030
Dave Jones: that was mouths
making radiator noises Don may

1918
02:07:00,030 --> 02:07:03,210
be cooking on his servers that
could be he's in the server room

1919
02:07:03,210 --> 02:07:04,470
literally while we're podcasting

1920
02:07:04,470 --> 02:07:10,860
Adam Curry: so to make up for
feeling bad Alex why don't I

1921
02:07:10,860 --> 02:07:14,910
play after we end the show? Why
don't I play your buddy There

1922
02:07:14,910 --> 02:07:18,180
The Official detox music guy cuz
I got it lined up. I got it in

1923
02:07:18,180 --> 02:07:19,650
the split kit might as well
right?

1924
02:07:20,280 --> 02:07:22,710
Unknown: Yeah, show legit shout
out to Jameson.

1925
02:07:22,859 --> 02:07:24,629
Adam Curry: Okay because he's
gonna go and talk to the

1926
02:07:24,629 --> 02:07:30,719
SoundCloud people so he's going
to change SoundCloud mind, I'm

1927
02:07:30,719 --> 02:07:35,009
sure. Anybody else any any other
things we got to do before we

1928
02:07:35,009 --> 02:07:42,329
get Oh, stop. What is this? What
is this? No, this isn't that

1929
02:07:42,329 --> 02:07:46,649
this? I can't believe this. This
is I mean, I've seen some

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Richards in my day.

1931
02:07:49,260 --> 02:07:50,640
Dave Jones: How many Richards is
it?

1932
02:07:51,540 --> 02:07:55,710
Adam Curry: We just got five
Richards plus three, eight in

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total from Stephen B. Play 1
million. No. 111,111 SATs a

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massive satchel of Richard's

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Holy moly. He says Enjoy your
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everyone who used curio caster.
The LM pay wallets are now

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officially closed out.

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Dave Jones: Damn, Stephen. Whoa.
swinging his riches all over the

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place.

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Adam Curry: I mean, slap my
Richards in my face. Man. That

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was beautiful. Oh, man. Thank
you so much, brother. Oh, there

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you go. What else do we need to
say about the value for value

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model?

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Dave Jones: So that's a close
out on Elon on his LNP Yes, it

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is. Yeah. Okay, sweet. Because
it will. I guess we'll talk

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about that next week. Because
we're gonna we're gonna start

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trying to phase out Elon pay.
Yeah. Because we it is costing

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us almost 500 a month. So
that's, that's expensive. So

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there's not much usage going on
look this morning. And the usage

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was like, Yeah, last thing, the
last sets that came in, were

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from like, June.

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Adam Curry: Okay, we're really
close. Well, thank you, Steven B

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and everyone else who boosted in
stream sets. You also gave that

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to that value to Don and Alex
who are both in the in the block

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in the live block for today as
well. And they'll go into the

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into the block for for the
episode. So that's very much

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appreciated. Thank you so much.
Thank you, chat room. You all

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have been very kind to us today.
Don. Alex, thank you very much

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for being here with us. And
thank you so much for all the

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work you're doing especially on
the plugin and no agenda tube is

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really fantastic.

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Alecks Gates: Yeah, just just
don't just want to make the

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ecosystem better. So

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Don Kimberlin (Errhead): then we
know they can the world better

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and protecting free speech.

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Adam Curry: They're so humble. I
love these guys. Brother Dave.

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Thank you, man. Thank you for
keeping me on the straight and

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narrow. You're right We're just
gonna do the only shim we're

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gonna use as in the title today

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alright everybody coming up
right after we're done we'll

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bring you official detox music
when I can be be make sure you

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boost and we'll see you next
week here on podcasting 2.0

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Dave Jones: it's bigger than I
thought it was.

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