Episode 138: Lost on Wood

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Adam Curry: On casting 2.0 for
June 23 2023, episode 138 were

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in the heart of the Texas Hill
Country in an Alabama the man

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celebrating 100 years of his 19
incher. Say hello to my friend

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on the other end. Ladies and
gentlemen, Mr. Dave Jones.

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Dave Jones: Do you? Do you refer
to the 19 inch rack?

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Adam Curry: Yes, yes, this is.
What does it Where does your

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mind go? You dirty man.

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Dave Jones: It went to 19 inch
rack? Exactly. Yeah, I read

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Adam Curry: that on podcasting.
Next auto show it is to the

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100th anniversary of the 19 inch
rack, which seems like a long

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time.

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Dave Jones: It seems like a very
long time. 1923 What were they

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putting in racks in 1923?

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Adam Curry: Exactly like, like a
mini steam engine? Did you have?

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Did you have steam engines when
you were a kid? This may be

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something on my generation.

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Dave Jones: I think this is a
little prior to me when I was

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growing up. There was a steam
engine kit?

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Adam Curry: Well no, it's mostly
you, you could get a steam

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engine and you'd mounted on it,
you know, with your dad, of

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course you'd mounted on on some
wood. And then you can get all

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these attachments, you could get
a new string up like little

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guess what kind of spring based
iron belts, some rubber band

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belts. And you'd have these
little fuel blocks that looked a

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bit like sugar cubes not to be
mistaken with sugar cubes,

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because that would really ruined
your coffee. And, and you'd like

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those up, you put them in a
little little tray underneath it

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was of course highly, you know,
these days, I don't think you

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could sell them. Because you
could blow it up if you didn't

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have water in the tank. But they
were they were really cool. It

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was a fun thing to have and
habit spin it and then you could

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make it your turn on a generator
and turn a little light bulb or

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something else would spin. Oh,
it was good times.

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Dave Jones: I mean, like that's
back when that's back when lots

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of things that you did as a kid
could kill you.

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Adam Curry: Yeah, a chemistry
set. Did you have a chemistry

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set?

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Dave Jones: I never had a
chemistry set, but I had plenty

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of other stuff that could kill
you. Like do you know that you

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know that? Like there's that
book was like the Golden Book,

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Golden Book of chemistry or
something like that? I don't

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know there's some famous book
from from that, you know from

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days gone by where they actually
banned the book because they

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were afraid that oh kiss
explicit about nuclear

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Adam Curry: really gonna build a
nuclear bomb at home or

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something like that.

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Dave Jones: I'm sure I'm
screwing this story up. But I

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mean, there's it was something
like this chemistry book got

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banned. Because they were like,
Nick, this is a little too much

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Adam Curry: interesting. No, I
had well, the one that really

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got me started on my journey was
RadioShack 101 project 100

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projects and one which I have I
still have it by the way, I

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still have it with the manual.
And so it's this big. I don't

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know it's probably like a foot
and a half by a foot and it's

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made of wood and in it. You had
all these components resistors

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capacitors a relay? Oh yeah. All
this stuff. Yeah, diodes and

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transistor, a couple of
transistors. And you'd go

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through this book from page one
and it had three set a kit full

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of full of wires of different
lengths. You had red, blue,

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white, and yellow for I guess in
yellow, I think and they're all

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different lengths and they would
tell you, okay, and had these

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little springs springs next like
a breadboard. Yeah, there's

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little springs next to each
component. And so you would look

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at the diagram and of course you
know, you connect the wires

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Okay, the blue wire goes from,
you know, the inside of the

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diode or the anode or the
cathode, I can't remember what

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it was. Basically, you'd hook
stuff up and you start with

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simple things but then you build
a photoelectric sensor that

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would turn a light on when it
got dark and of course,

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Dave Jones: you know this is
about you're making a bomb is

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what your photo electrics timer
countdown

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Adam Curry: did not have a timer
but I did create my first

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transmitter with this it had an
FM transmitter and you know,

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with with one transistor, and
you could hook up your head, a

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crystal earpiece, which you
could also use as a microphone.

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And I remember, you know,
stringing a bit of wire out

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there and then receiving it on
the FM radio in the house. And

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that's when I learned about
antennas. Like hey, if you make

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a bigger antenna, you get
further Our that was the

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beginning of, of Adam's roof
walking career.

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Dave Jones: Yeah. And that's
when they in the couple of weeks

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later they came and knocked on
your door.

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Adam Curry: There was a couple
of years later, but yeah, when I

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when I got into single sideband
Seabees, which are which we'd

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have to get from the states that
were illegal in the Netherlands

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and I had a half a half
wavelength, GPA, so it'd be five

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and a half meters on the roof.
And people would hear me through

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their TV. Yeah, that's when
people came over and said, Why

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do I hear you on my TV? It's
actually your TV. That sucks

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that never went over? Well, you
know, I was like, hey, I can

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come over and fix it because
then you can put a what do we

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put in there? Like maybe some
ferrite or something to

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Dave Jones: show maybe some
ferrites

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Adam Curry: Yeah, that was the
beginning of my tinkering

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broadcasting career. I was 14

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Dave Jones: you automatically
lose everybody who's younger

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than let's just say 30 When you
say would like they're lost they

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lost me or would like because as
soon as you bring wood into the

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equation, it's like what

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Adam Curry: word what is up with
that really? Talking about why

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why do I lose him? It would

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Dave Jones: I got some nails and
some wooden or like, what is

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this language? I don't
understand what you're saying.

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Is this English? I mean, nobody
makes any no kids make anything

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out of wood anymore.

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Adam Curry: Remember, we build
we build go karts? Oh, yeah.

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Yeah, totally. Yeah, you get
some wheels off of something.

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Usually off of your sister's,
you know, training wheels or

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something. And then you put an
axle on there. I had a break,

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which was literally a hole in
the middle between my legs with

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an iron pipe. Sticking out pull
it back. You're scraping along

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the sidewalk

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Dave Jones: speed and an iron
pipe between your legs. Really

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well.

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Adam Curry: Oh, man. And these
days the kids are getting a damn

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scream. They're taking iPad kid.

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Dave Jones: Yeah, they just they
just go brain dead in front of a

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piece of glass all day. It's
it's it's a shame. I think we

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should bring man yells at Sky.
That's

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Adam Curry: right. I think we
should bring back the we should

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bring back the the steam engines
that was cool. They have some

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there's a steam engine. Like a
small museum here in

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Fredericksburg. And I drive by
it all the time. And I'm always

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like, I gotta go visit I just
haven't gotten around to it yet.

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But basically, they have the
large versions of what I had

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Steve mentioned was the coolest
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Dave Jones: I mean, there's a
there's a thrill with things

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that can kill you.

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Adam Curry: I just point out
speed does not kill. A sudden

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lack of speed

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Dave Jones: is also as new as
Newton correctly observed. Yes.

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Adam Curry: Steve as the speed
does not kill you. Yeah, yeah.

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No, we're also safe.
Everything's safe. Just say it

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was the Golden Book of chemistry
according according to Jean

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bean. Oh, is that that's the one
that came to the Golden Book of

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chemistry experiments. That must
be that must be I

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Dave Jones: think it has
something to do with nuclear but

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maybe it was just explosives or
something like that just add on

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Adam Curry: Did somebody say
boom

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Dave Jones: I love that old
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Adam Curry: sorry. Well, no that
was a there was the isobar

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Dave Jones: it can kill you

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Adam Curry: just point out speed
does not kill ya yeah, I so but

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not exactly right okay.

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Dave Jones: bra bra some ISIS
you did oh whoa

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Adam Curry: let's do we have a
guest today in the boardroom and

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I do I do want to bring him in
pretty quickly but let's let's

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do because he's one of the very
important person to the project.

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What are your I do what are your
eyes? Oh, so you brought ISIS

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for end of show which is good.
So let's get them out of the way

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now what which one you want to
me?

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Dave Jones: I feel like I feel
like more of the same is kind of

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appropriate more or

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Adam Curry: the same but faster.
Because Claire it's Claire Daly

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Dave Jones: It is clear from
Ireland. Yeah, and there's you

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can play the other one if you
want to Don't believe the hype.

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Adam Curry: Ooh, I like Don't
believe the hype. They're both

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Dave Jones: I like Claire day.
Yeah, that's or AI clips. You

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know this or

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Adam Curry: I'd like Claire Daly
in general. She's pretty good

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man. Me too. For she's she's a
real socialist and I'm, I'm

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listening to her clip. She's a
socialist member of European

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Parliament for Ireland. And
there's my horrible Irish

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accent. Banos because online
too.

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Dave Jones: Like she's, she's
not one of those, like wishy

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washy ones that are like, yeah,
that's not real socialism. She's

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like, Yeah, let's do this. You
know, she's

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Adam Curry: hardcore socialist.
And I'm always like, I really

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agree with what she's saying.
Like how much of a socialist am

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I?

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Dave Jones: Well, you me you
grew up in the Netherlands. You

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can that'd be I mean, there's
something in there right?

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Adam Curry: I think a social
aspect Yeah, to a degree and

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have gone nuts there. Now that I
think that may have been delayed

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a bit, but the idea was for
homes under 350,000 euros, you

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are not going to be allowed to
sell it unless the government

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would appoint the person who
could buy it in order to get

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people who can't bid up the
price. The fair chance at buying

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a home. Which really, yeah,
really, really. It's kind of

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Dave Jones: yeah, that's, that's

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Adam Curry: very interesting,
off the rails. Now, I'm not

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quite sure exactly what is going
on. But I saw Stephen Bell, who

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doesn't know Steven bell of
curio caster, ln beats,

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sovereign feeds, lamer, Muse
house music side project, and he

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can also wire your entire house
filled electricity can design

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that for you? He was going to be
demoing the split kits live

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today. I saw a post and I'm not
quite sure he didn't give me any

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instructions. But it says unless
something happens at work that

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takes precedence tomorrow during
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I'll be demonstrating how the
split kid could be used during a

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conference I guess he picked up
on the on the business idea.

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Dave Jones: I always get nervous
when people in when people set

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stuff up like this because

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Adam Curry: even ballet Stephen
Bell is running with the

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scissors. Let me see. So the
split kit lives as a link. And

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okay, so this is so this is his
his own split kit, which means

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he set up this this block has
value block himself. Episode 138

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Live, it has a boost button. It
has our artwork. It has a boost

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button, which is not doing
anything. It's not doing

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anything. Why not? I'm hitting
it but it's maybe it's no, I'm

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hitting it, but it's not doing
anything. hit it harder. Hold

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on. I'm hitting it as hard as I
can. I'm clicking it, but it's

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not doing anything. Well. Maybe
he's even in the it may be

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something at work. Maybe that's
maybe the worst thing possible

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happened. He got called. called
into work. Okay. Oh, yeah. I've

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always a meeting from 1130 to
230. God, oh, no, no, I think

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what he was doing is showing how
you can set up. Basically he I

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think he grabbed the bull by the
horns and say, Oh, I'm going to

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I'm going to set up this live
2.0 value block. So if you're

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doing a conference you can
basically hit the boost and

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it'll switch blocks depending on
who's up on stage.

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Dave Jones: Oh, that's okay.
Yeah, that's what he's

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Adam Curry: coin Amsterdam thing
that we're talking about as a

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first test, which I think is
beautiful.

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Dave Jones: So he must be
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Adam Curry: Which is illegal in
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It's not Yeah, yet. Anyway, San

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Adam Curry: I think so. Yeah.
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Dave Jones: I like how I like
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Adam Curry: No, no, no, no.
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too funny. VC do let him sit
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Dave Jones: Sweat. Yeah.

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Spotify podcasts. By getting rid
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Dave Jones: That was the best
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Adam Curry: I mean, they chose
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understand celebrity. They
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Harry are interesting is when
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you know, and it's amazing. How
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it because it's gotta be worth
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cap, you know? No, it's got to
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Spotify. Let me see. Maybe it's
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market cap. Spend time kicking
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ways. I'm telling you, they're
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Dave Jones: from the furlough.
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Adam Curry: which may have been
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promotion for Spotify. But it's
slanderous when you part ways

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there's usually a clause like
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Dave Jones: I find it hard to
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called them Grifters, I find it
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just purely on his own and
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ahead from from the hunter. No,
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Adam Curry: think I think he did
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think he was winging it. Yeah.
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there's huge frustration within
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about money. It's like, well,
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understand the this Bringer guy.
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ringer for a guest $200 million.
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his pocket. But he must have
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out. Nobody knows, by the way,
when any of these deals really

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million. I don't even believe
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think that we people just Oh Joe
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has never been any official
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if it was all in stock all at
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this, which is not good for
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song that was played the most of
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hours of Marcos is like, oh,
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with Spotify? If they're doing
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Dave Jones: the there was always
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always like a they never made
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fit within the pod of Spotify
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like two companies that I've
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paper, it looks like a perfect
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the the culture of one does is
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culture of the other one. Yeah,
rolling, they never Yeah, they

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never, they never fully
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it, the thing just falls apart.

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Adam Curry: This is I mean, this
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when when I was at Price
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their strategy document. I said,
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did this at pod show. We, you
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1314 15 shows, which would be
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a lot earlier than was 2006 NBS
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Weinstein, you know, a number of
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helped all them set up their own
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company of which we were co
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guarantee, monthly amount. And
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leave and they could take, you
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wound up those who left we let
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But it immediately goes, well,
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they get more than us. And then
we sent a contract to Keith and

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the Girl. Very popular podcasts.
And they went look at this a

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whole Adam curry trying to own
my stuff. And they read the

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whole contract on the air and he
called me a horrible grifter

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literally the same words, except
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Dave Jones: pulled they pulled a
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Adam Curry: I know these guys
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that's exactly what Spotify
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doesn't work the same is to say
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up 15 companies into one from my
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new ideas. We took it public,
very, very hard to do

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culturally. We had guys in
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guys in Atlanta who are way
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California, and gals. And it was
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actually was it you know, the IT
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got their email address
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you know, that made people feel
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the business, yeah, it's
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deals. And that's really what
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dawn Ostroff people didn't
understand is you get this

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animosity, but they got to you
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sounded like sour grapes from
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Well, you got a $20 million for
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here I am sweating my balls off,
you know. And this is this is

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poison. It's poison. It's poor.
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it's not good. Although Are you
getting a lot of empathy on Ben,

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they was pretty funny. So Rogan
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Dave Jones: I want to dive into
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think it, it sort of hit me. So
I don't I get a couple of parts

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to this here. Number one I, I
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Joe Rogan. He's just not. I'm
not a guy who likes interview

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shows typically. So it's just
not somebody I listen to very

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much. But I'll listen to like
when your own or specific

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people. And so I listened to the
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Adam Curry: Yes, I watched that
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Dave Jones: Oh, okay. All right.
I'll worry

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Adam Curry: about very
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Dave Jones: Just general
observation. RFQ. A buddy of

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mine sent sent me a message and
said, Can we please Can Spotify

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please fix RF ks voice? And I
was like, no, no, no.

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Adam Curry: It's an actual
affliction. He has your voice

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Dave Jones: in I was like, I was
like, No, see, this is this is

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part of his superpower. Correct?
He's, he's difficult to listen

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to. So you have to you have to
pay very close attention to

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understand what he's saying.
This is a this is a this is part

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of his thing. Yeah, I agree.

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Adam Curry: And I've been
playing clips of his for years

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and years and years. And I've
met him. I met him in the

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context of ah, it was Kleiner
Perkins golf weekend or

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something. And he was schlepped
along for because it was to

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benefit the Special Olympics,
which is his grandpa his

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grandmother think unit. Yeah.
Right, whatever. And he was

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involved in that. And so his
voice has already kind of liked

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that. But what I've noticed is
that the more he speaks, the

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better it gets. And it's a
combo, you start to tune into

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him. And his voice gets better.

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Dave Jones: Well, that the so I
was I was listening to this.

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That's just as common as I was
listening to this. And, and then

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I've got I've got a clip here.
It's from that show. And it's I

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think it's about three minutes.
But I would like he starts

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talking about these different
mediums that have happened

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through the years. And he's
saying how he thinks that

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podcasting is going to be the
political medium of this next

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cycle, maybe maybe into the
future. Yes.

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Unknown: I'm not going to win
this by winning the sympathies

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of the mainstream media. I
really think these podcasts have

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the capacity to change politics
in this country this year. And

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you know, it's interesting,
because in 1960, my uncle,

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President Kennedy had, you know,
realize that this new media

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called television, which had
never been used in a political

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campaign before, it was a media
that was very friendly to him

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for a variety of reasons. In
other words, he was, it was a

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media that he was able to master
pretty well, that people liked

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to see him on it. And it won him
the election, which is one of

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the narrow narrows election at
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And then in 2016, Donald Trump
recognized a new technology,

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which was Twitter, which are up
that he could communicate in

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this kind of way that was unique
to him, you know, these kinds of

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sound bites, very powerful
soundbite you know, outrageous

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remarks on Twitter that got him
these, you know, built him an

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audience of very low and
everybody thought he was crazy.

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But he was able to take that
technology and really, you know,

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turn it into a and weaponize it
politically,

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that and the Go ahead, please.

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only thing but that he did have

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other stuff going for him but
but he had a new media, as I'm

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what I'm saying. And I think
this year, the podcasts are

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going to be are going to have
the potential to revolutionize

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American politics because for
the first time, you can end run

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the mainstream media I mean, I
was talking to somebody about

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this the other day that CNN now
has a viewership of I think

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something like 350,000 people a
night. Tucker when he was at Fox

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at a at a viewership at the end
about 4.5 million so he was 10

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times as big as CNN. And you at
you know, your your Your top

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like McCulloch, I think you were
getting almost 40 million or

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something, maybe more, I don't
know what it is, but you are

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then 10 times bigger than Tucker
and 100 times bigger than CNN.

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And they're, you know, there's a
lot of people out there. And

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this is, for me, it's a good
media, you know, for a variety

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of reasons. And I've been able
to reach a lot of people, you

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know, it's a very, very populous
media, it reaches, people are on

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the far left and on the far
right. And it kind of unifies

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them. And those are, you know,
the audience that I think I am,

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I'm most likely to if I mean, my
campaign is about bringing those

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two groups together, the left
and the right and a populist

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movement. And I think podcast
may be a formula for doing that.

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Adam Curry: I, I've heard him
say this elsewhere. I heard him

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say this, of course, as well,
but I've heard him say it in

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other places, he expanded that
by saying, you know, he's, Joe

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Biden's already announced, he's
not going to debate which is

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very odd for I'm not going to
debate other Democrats for the

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nomination of the party, which
is, which is really not the way

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the system is supposed to work.
I mean, it's, I guess you can do

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that. And he added to that he
didn't think Trump was going to

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debate either. Surprised me?
Yes, as well. And so I loved

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when he said this, the NFL and
by the way, I'm very proud that

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you and I started on this, you
know, to protect and extend

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podcasting for the for for all
kinds of reasons, but this is

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certainly one of them. And for
that work, of all the people who

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were involved with this project
to be recognized as important as

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the television of the 60s Is it
tickles me I love that. What is

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unfortunate and by the way,
Rogan not officially a podcast,

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let's be honest about it to
Spotify exclusive, not actually

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a podcast, but okay. I'm not
going to choose me, Todd

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Cochran. I think he did he like
totally just beat up on, on on

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rob the other day. Their new
artwork was very appropriate for

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this artwork was great. So it
doesn't really matter. I mean,

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if you asked me to podcast as
you know my answer, and I'm not

436
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:32,040
too worried about YouTube and
everybody else and fine,

437
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:35,580
whatever. For me, I'd almost say
it's audio now is not even

438
00:27:35,580 --> 00:27:39,750
videos it was. And I think the
audio part is even more

439
00:27:39,750 --> 00:27:42,960
important, because that's really
where people, a lot of people

440
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:48,150
listen to Rogan on the Spotify
app. The problem you get from

441
00:27:48,150 --> 00:27:54,990
external forces, is people will
not even want to listen, because

442
00:27:54,990 --> 00:27:58,920
they've read headlines, and
they've been told that Rogan is

443
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:05,220
a hateful, horrible, mean, low
down low life, scumbag dude, who

444
00:28:05,220 --> 00:28:10,170
was anti science, etc. And so
they miss out by not even

445
00:28:10,470 --> 00:28:14,640
listening to this podcast. The
great thing is, and that I think

446
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:20,520
is the genius of Kennedy is he's
going everywhere. I mean, we

447
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:22,770
could get him on this. In fact,
if we want to get him in this

448
00:28:22,770 --> 00:28:27,990
show, we can get him on the
show. That would be a hoot. I'm

449
00:28:27,990 --> 00:28:31,200
sure we could I mean, that's
what he's going to do. He seems

450
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:34,860
to the opposite of his uncle,
which was you stand here and all

451
00:28:34,860 --> 00:28:38,400
the cameras broadcast you. Now
he has to go out but he can stay

452
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,260
in one place doesn't have to go
in person.

453
00:28:41,069 --> 00:28:43,739
Dave Jones: He's doing a carpet
bomb strategy on the Yeah.

454
00:28:43,740 --> 00:28:46,440
Adam Curry: And I think it's
very, and I think you and I

455
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:49,590
agree. We like his anti war
stance. You know, we're, we're

456
00:28:50,250 --> 00:28:53,460
socialists, like we don't want
war. We don't like any of this.

457
00:28:53,460 --> 00:28:57,660
And I think he's, he's, he's
hitting some. He's hitting some

458
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buttons. DeVore ag disagrees
with Ms. Mayer. But I say I

459
00:29:00,870 --> 00:29:04,410
mean, in the works, also anti
war, but I said, I think he's, I

460
00:29:04,410 --> 00:29:08,010
think he's got a strategy here
to work with a three ma de ma.

461
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:12,540
Dave Jones: His message. His
message is, I forgot what speech

462
00:29:12,540 --> 00:29:19,500
it was. But he he loved it. He
compares his message to Martin

463
00:29:19,500 --> 00:29:24,210
Luther King. And if and in this
way, Martin Luther King had the

464
00:29:24,300 --> 00:29:26,730
you know, the speech that got
Martin Luther King killed was

465
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his anti war speech was anti his
anti Vietnam speech. And in that

466
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:37,080
speech, Martin Luther King said
you can't be continued to kill

467
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:41,760
millions of people across the
globe with your military and

468
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:46,140
expect it not to have a
psychological impact impact on

469
00:29:46,140 --> 00:29:48,450
the people on the citizens
yesterday nobody

470
00:29:48,450 --> 00:29:51,090
Adam Curry: called the the wages
of war

471
00:29:51,690 --> 00:29:54,180
Dave Jones: Yes, yeah. And
you're Brett you when you when

472
00:29:54,180 --> 00:29:59,430
you treat other people like an
honor Yeah, enemy like enemies.

473
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:03,540
You will will eventually teach
your own citizenry to look at

474
00:30:03,540 --> 00:30:07,560
every one that way, even each
other. Yep. And that that's

475
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:12,240
exactly the speech and the
message that got MLK

476
00:30:12,510 --> 00:30:16,470
assassinated. And he's saying,
I'm going to bring that message

477
00:30:16,470 --> 00:30:19,350
here again, because the same
thing is happening again, this

478
00:30:19,350 --> 00:30:22,650
we're, we're in the same
scenario, nothing has changed.

479
00:30:22,770 --> 00:30:25,260
Yeah, it's corrupted. It's
corrupting our people.

480
00:30:25,380 --> 00:30:27,300
Adam Curry: And that's, and
that's, there's a difference.

481
00:30:27,300 --> 00:30:31,260
That's not what Trump did. Trump
was pro military, not pro war

482
00:30:31,260 --> 00:30:35,790
pro military kept us out of the
war. But he was pro military. So

483
00:30:35,790 --> 00:30:39,780
no one was no one was on his
asked to kill him. And I think

484
00:30:40,170 --> 00:30:42,420
Bobby Kennedy is doing something
very brave here. He's like,

485
00:30:42,450 --> 00:30:46,440
Look, I know, history shows,
it's a dangerous position to

486
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:48,270
take. Bus,

487
00:30:48,300 --> 00:30:50,670
Dave Jones: I read somebody
online that was kind of sort of

488
00:30:50,670 --> 00:30:53,730
poking fun at him saying that he
was taking precautions and that

489
00:30:53,730 --> 00:30:56,910
kind of thing. I think, I think
you're, I think you're alone. If

490
00:30:56,910 --> 00:31:02,220
you think that because if you if
if you if you, if any anybody

491
00:31:02,220 --> 00:31:06,720
out, you know, out there, if
they've had two family members

492
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:09,930
assassinated, you better believe
you're gonna be scared, doesn't

493
00:31:09,930 --> 00:31:13,230
matter if it was 40 years ago or
not? I mean, or, you know, 60

494
00:31:13,230 --> 00:31:18,210
years ago, yeah, you're gonna be
afraid that this is kind of foul

495
00:31:18,210 --> 00:31:19,500
play to treat that, like

496
00:31:19,500 --> 00:31:21,870
Adam Curry: it's not big, but
those wages of war. And that

497
00:31:21,870 --> 00:31:24,600
speech he did in New Hampshire,
I think was spot on like that,

498
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:27,720
if you're gonna, you do this all
the time, like those guys, you

499
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:31,320
know, the towel heads, the
Russians, whatever, Putin, Bob,

500
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:33,600
then all of a sudden, you're
doing it to your neighbor, and

501
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:36,090
you're doing it in your own
home, and it's three to five

502
00:31:36,090 --> 00:31:37,980
people come through, it's come
true.

503
00:31:38,369 --> 00:31:42,149
Dave Jones: But this was the
part that got did. This is sort

504
00:31:42,149 --> 00:31:45,569
of like what what hit me though,
because he talks about, he goes

505
00:31:45,569 --> 00:31:47,759
through that scenario where he
talks about the different

506
00:31:47,759 --> 00:31:53,909
audience sizes. And he says, you
know, K Take, take CNN

507
00:31:54,239 --> 00:31:59,519
350,000 400,000 people,
something roughly like that. Now

508
00:31:59,519 --> 00:32:05,159
compare that to what he say

509
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:07,860
Adam Curry: soccer, soccer with
4 million, and then with Robo

510
00:32:07,860 --> 00:32:09,090
with 40. On it

511
00:32:09,569 --> 00:32:11,399
Dave Jones: was 40. So let's
let's do that. Let's just say

512
00:32:11,399 --> 00:32:21,059
400,000 For CNN, and 40 million,
40 million for Rogan. Now look

513
00:32:21,059 --> 00:32:25,529
at the revenue, excuse me the
profit, or just the revenue of

514
00:32:25,529 --> 00:32:28,259
those two things. So you have to
you have two mediums here you

515
00:32:28,259 --> 00:32:33,479
have Rogen with a contract of
$200 million. Give or take, then

516
00:32:33,479 --> 00:32:41,729
you give or take CNNs latest saw
an article a couple weeks ago,

517
00:32:42,449 --> 00:32:46,529
CNN took a hit this year, they
had

518
00:32:46,829 --> 00:32:49,079
Adam Curry: only only only $700
million.

519
00:32:50,190 --> 00:32:55,200
Dave Jones: Only $750 million in
profit. Yeah, not revenue,

520
00:32:55,260 --> 00:32:57,540
Adam Curry: profit. Well, here's
the fun thing.

521
00:32:57,870 --> 00:33:03,750
Dave Jones: So what do the poor,
bring on the math there? For $4

522
00:33:03,750 --> 00:33:08,970
million. If you if you I mean,
if you do the math, based on

523
00:33:08,970 --> 00:33:17,400
audience size, you're going to
end up if add those numbers. If

524
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:24,090
if CNN loses the cable package
deals and has to compete on in

525
00:33:24,090 --> 00:33:30,120
the same playground, as podcast,
digital advertising, the numbers

526
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:32,910
end up they'd be dead, they'd be
dead, they'd be dead. I mean,

527
00:33:32,910 --> 00:33:36,330
you're talking you're talking
$10 million a year in in profit.

528
00:33:36,359 --> 00:33:38,639
Adam Curry: But that but that's
the thing, that model because

529
00:33:38,639 --> 00:33:43,319
CNN didn't make the $700 million
from advertising and contrary,

530
00:33:43,499 --> 00:33:46,829
there's only a fraction the
money is made on carriage fee.

531
00:33:46,829 --> 00:33:52,049
So they get $1 per household.
I'm just it could be more but

532
00:33:52,049 --> 00:33:55,139
it's usually about $1 per
household from each share big

533
00:33:55,139 --> 00:33:58,559
cable company. And that's where
they make all their money from

534
00:33:58,739 --> 00:34:03,179
and then the advertising is kind
of bonus except the number one

535
00:34:03,179 --> 00:34:08,489
Bonanza time for all American
advertising is the election year

536
00:34:08,519 --> 00:34:12,359
that's why they start now a year
and a half early. Because all

537
00:34:12,359 --> 00:34:15,569
the all the money now is going
to be from political ads from

538
00:34:15,809 --> 00:34:19,529
Super PACs, etc. That and it's
interesting because that

539
00:34:19,529 --> 00:34:25,589
probably won't that money won't
flow over into podcasting. It's

540
00:34:25,589 --> 00:34:29,249
just not it's just not in the
cards. It's in a way how it

541
00:34:29,249 --> 00:34:33,149
could Yeah, in a way this will
take this may even take money

542
00:34:33,149 --> 00:34:34,919
out of politics to a degree.

543
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,280
Dave Jones: Yeah, that's a good
point. Because you have so you

544
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:42,810
have the big thing you can sort
of like word it this way. Right.

545
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:47,340
Joe Rogan is the biggest let's
just for for shits and giggles

546
00:34:47,340 --> 00:34:50,820
here. Let's just call it a
podcast. Rogan being the biggest

547
00:34:50,820 --> 00:34:56,970
podcast. The his deal was $200
million. Yeah, CNN as the

548
00:34:56,970 --> 00:34:59,100
smallest cable network.

549
00:34:59,190 --> 00:35:02,400
Adam Curry: It's upside Now
maybe was 750 million?

550
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:05,220
Dave Jones: Yeah. So if you if
you just work that out, there's

551
00:35:05,220 --> 00:35:08,250
no you're right. I never thought
about it like that. You want to

552
00:35:08,250 --> 00:35:11,400
take politics out of out of the
media? Yeah, just give me that.

553
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:12,960
Yeah. take politics out of the
media.

554
00:35:13,170 --> 00:35:15,990
Adam Curry: So take money. Take
money out of politics. I'll take

555
00:35:15,990 --> 00:35:18,750
money out of politics. Yes,
yeah. Yeah, money and politics,

556
00:35:18,750 --> 00:35:22,470
but it's organic. It's going to
happen. It's organic. And, and

557
00:35:22,470 --> 00:35:25,920
people will not fall for you
know, the astroturf like, Oh,

558
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:29,040
this guy's been paid. You know,
just to have this guy on people

559
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:31,560
and fall but they're going for
authenticity. Whether you like

560
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:36,330
him or not Rogan's authentic
He's true to his his self. And

561
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:39,990
you and you won't be able to
avoid Bobby Kennedy Jr. Because

562
00:35:39,990 --> 00:35:45,060
he'll pop up on what do you call
it? He'll pop up on what's the

563
00:35:45,060 --> 00:35:45,660
comedian?

564
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:48,180
Dave Jones: Like Theo von or
something like that?

565
00:35:48,690 --> 00:35:51,660
Adam Curry: No. Well, he might
even be up to Vaughn. But now

566
00:35:51,660 --> 00:35:55,080
the the comedians are left wing
guy. Yeah,

567
00:35:55,530 --> 00:35:56,340
Dave Jones: that's Bill Maher

568
00:35:57,390 --> 00:35:59,580
Adam Curry: Bill Maher Bill
Maher is gonna be hated when he

569
00:35:59,580 --> 00:36:03,270
has him on because you will you
know, he will he doesn't care.

570
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:06,060
But he might have him on his
podcast instead of on the on a

571
00:36:06,060 --> 00:36:09,540
show doesn't matter. And let's
just celebrate the fact that

572
00:36:09,540 --> 00:36:14,100
we've made that possible.
Because we have with you we are

573
00:36:14,100 --> 00:36:17,370
making this possible and
ensuring that it will continue.

574
00:36:17,910 --> 00:36:22,740
Because believe me, if Rogan
comes back to RSS he's gonna get

575
00:36:22,770 --> 00:36:26,460
he's gonna get thrown off of
stuff. He might not even be able

576
00:36:26,460 --> 00:36:29,880
to come back to Apple. Why would
Apple do it Apple get too much

577
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:30,300
heat.

578
00:36:31,260 --> 00:36:33,420
Dave Jones: Yeah, you'll get a
platform for sure. Yeah,

579
00:36:33,510 --> 00:36:36,810
Adam Curry: yeah. So Jimmy Dore
is the left wing guy. I'm

580
00:36:36,810 --> 00:36:40,890
thinking, Oh, Jimmy Dore. So why
don't we bring in our guest

581
00:36:40,890 --> 00:36:45,600
today who has been a very big
part of the podcast, podcast 2.0

582
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:50,640
project. In fact, I would say he
is an unsung hero. Because he

583
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:55,860
has done so much that is just
not Front of House stuff, but is

584
00:36:55,890 --> 00:36:59,430
critically important. Now, you
may know him from the transcript

585
00:36:59,430 --> 00:37:03,990
later. But if you look at the
podcast, web 2.0 website,

586
00:37:03,990 --> 00:37:06,810
particularly some of the
functionality, pod ping Dot

587
00:37:06,810 --> 00:37:12,420
Watch, maintain the pod ping and
NPM library, the podcast index

588
00:37:12,450 --> 00:37:17,340
API NPM. Module documentation
two, I think. Yep. Ladies and

589
00:37:17,340 --> 00:37:19,980
gentlemen, please welcome to the
boardroom, the one and only

590
00:37:19,980 --> 00:37:21,780
Steven crater.

591
00:37:23,250 --> 00:37:27,690
Dave Jones: Hello. You make an
entry. I

592
00:37:27,690 --> 00:37:30,000
Adam Curry: love that entrance,
man. Way to go. Hello,

593
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:31,320
everybody. Steven crater.

594
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:33,840
Dave Jones: You're a poet.
You're a regular Stone Cold

595
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:42,000
Steve Austin. Stephen would like
it. I think I hope you've heard

596
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:46,560
me say this before. But just the
amount of things that you do

597
00:37:46,590 --> 00:37:50,850
that save me time. And is I just
want to thank you personally for

598
00:37:50,850 --> 00:37:56,370
that. It's been. It's, it's a
huge, huge help to me, just all

599
00:37:56,370 --> 00:38:00,060
the documentation. You know, all
the stuff on the website. I

600
00:38:00,060 --> 00:38:03,420
mean, like, it's like, I think
it and it just happens that it's

601
00:38:03,420 --> 00:38:05,550
just so valuable. I just want to
say thank you.

602
00:38:06,390 --> 00:38:10,620
Steven Crader: You're welcome.
I, I appreciate the document,

603
00:38:10,650 --> 00:38:14,970
Kevin, valid and up to date
documentation. So if I can be

604
00:38:14,970 --> 00:38:16,650
the one to create it, it works
for

605
00:38:16,650 --> 00:38:19,020
Adam Curry: me, which is like
the number one thing at every

606
00:38:19,020 --> 00:38:22,290
company, every project, I mean,
everything I've ever been

607
00:38:22,290 --> 00:38:25,710
involved in, right down to, of
course, developers not

608
00:38:25,710 --> 00:38:28,050
documenting their code, but
that's what it is. But

609
00:38:28,050 --> 00:38:32,580
documenting what we're doing is
I mean, it makes us professional

610
00:38:32,580 --> 00:38:34,830
I love saying to people either
come on in and we got

611
00:38:34,830 --> 00:38:40,290
documentation. Get dogs, we got
dogs, baby got dogs. Where are

612
00:38:40,290 --> 00:38:42,570
you coming from? Man? What do
you do in real life? Because

613
00:38:42,570 --> 00:38:44,670
obviously, no one can live off
of what this is.

614
00:38:45,210 --> 00:38:48,600
Steven Crader: Yeah, I'm a
software developer. And a test

615
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:51,300
group at a company in Oregon.
Oh,

616
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:56,460
Dave Jones: so do you. You said
at one point. I thought you said

617
00:38:56,460 --> 00:38:59,970
that you weren't. You weren't
full time developer you were

618
00:38:59,970 --> 00:39:02,850
doing so you were doing
documentation as part of your

619
00:39:02,850 --> 00:39:03,300
job.

620
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:05,910
Steven Crader: Don't get that on
full time. But I work in the

621
00:39:05,910 --> 00:39:11,640
test group. So we live off the
docks. And so you know, okay,

622
00:39:11,910 --> 00:39:16,290
push the developers that create
this stuff we tested, have valid

623
00:39:16,290 --> 00:39:17,490
documentation. And so

624
00:39:18,060 --> 00:39:21,450
Dave Jones: what do you say? Are
you a JavaScript as your main

625
00:39:21,450 --> 00:39:21,780
gig?

626
00:39:22,380 --> 00:39:24,660
Steven Crader: No, I write in
Python, mostly.

627
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:26,370
Dave Jones: Okay, well,

628
00:39:26,370 --> 00:39:30,630
Steven Crader: how is been
learned just mostly through this

629
00:39:30,630 --> 00:39:31,170
project?

630
00:39:32,310 --> 00:39:34,440
Adam Curry: Oh, you've gotten
some value back for all that

631
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:35,640
work. Nice. Yeah.

632
00:39:36,030 --> 00:39:38,610
Dave Jones: That will let you
know it is admitted. Just like

633
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:41,130
just like most of the rest of
us, you know, you do JavaScript

634
00:39:41,130 --> 00:39:46,560
because you have to not because
you want to. Like, that's so. So

635
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:49,170
when you do all the React stuff,
you just kind of learned that

636
00:39:49,170 --> 00:39:52,710
organically through just kind of
having to do it.

637
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:55,980
Steven Crader: Yeah, just
looking to see what we were

638
00:39:55,980 --> 00:39:59,400
already doing and just trying to
follow that model or searching

639
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:02,130
for it. answers. So what I'm
trying to do now,

640
00:40:02,219 --> 00:40:05,039
Adam Curry: so tell us how you
found out about the project and

641
00:40:05,039 --> 00:40:06,719
how you kind of got involved in
it.

642
00:40:07,859 --> 00:40:08,879
Steven Crader: No agenda
listener.

643
00:40:09,119 --> 00:40:14,819
Adam Curry: Oh, there we go.
Even in Oregon, huh? Yeah. We've

644
00:40:14,819 --> 00:40:17,939
saved some people up there. So
okay, so you heard about

645
00:40:17,939 --> 00:40:20,999
podcasting 2.0 from no agenda,
and then just decide to check it

646
00:40:20,999 --> 00:40:22,019
out. What was the path?

647
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:24,900
Steven Crader: Yeah, yeah. So I
came over and started listening.

648
00:40:24,900 --> 00:40:28,770
And then when podcasting became
a thing, you know, I started

649
00:40:28,770 --> 00:40:30,870
messing around with that, and
that's where puffing Dogwatch

650
00:40:30,870 --> 00:40:36,000
came from. And then, you know,
you said, like, Corbell URL

651
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:40,050
before, and then, you know, just
keep it up. Just a proof of

652
00:40:40,050 --> 00:40:44,760
concept, kept it as a running
bag. And so, yeah, and then, you

653
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:48,330
know, the, I can't remember if
the docs or the website stuff

654
00:40:48,930 --> 00:40:53,700
came before or after, but you
know, you know, originally, we

655
00:40:53,700 --> 00:40:57,840
didn't showcase the podcast on
the site. And I can't remember

656
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:01,860
if it was a episode or one of
the dev meetings, someone

657
00:41:01,890 --> 00:41:03,090
brought it up. And so then

658
00:41:04,260 --> 00:41:06,930
Adam Curry: dev Matic dev mean,
man, you're going back three

659
00:41:06,930 --> 00:41:10,410
years, when we had dev meetings,
we remember that beginning we'd

660
00:41:10,410 --> 00:41:12,360
have like a Saturday dev
meeting.

661
00:41:12,540 --> 00:41:14,490
Dave Jones: No, yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. It's

662
00:41:15,660 --> 00:41:17,070
Adam Curry: hands everybody in
the talk.

663
00:41:18,180 --> 00:41:20,250
Dave Jones: Stephen was like
every one of those, you know,

664
00:41:20,820 --> 00:41:27,270
that. So when you when you went
in, when you are made the same,

665
00:41:28,020 --> 00:41:33,210
you maintain the two different
NPM packages? Is it one for the

666
00:41:33,210 --> 00:41:38,340
index API and one for for pod
pain?

667
00:41:38,940 --> 00:41:43,290
Steven Crader: I don't have any
NPM packages for package index,

668
00:41:43,350 --> 00:41:49,320
I've provided updates to one
from someone else.

669
00:41:49,710 --> 00:41:52,890
Dave Jones: Maybe that's what
I'm thinking? Do you have a

670
00:41:52,890 --> 00:41:55,020
JavaScript library for pod ping,
though,

671
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:58,680
Steven Crader: we have in a Git
repo, we have a watcher, just

672
00:41:58,710 --> 00:42:02,040
JavaScript watcher library
that's just there for an

673
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:07,230
example, code. And it's based on
what puffing Nightwatch is

674
00:42:07,230 --> 00:42:10,260
using, but just in plain
JavaScript instead of react,

675
00:42:10,260 --> 00:42:12,660
which is what puffing Dot Watch
is using.

676
00:42:13,710 --> 00:42:16,080
Dave Jones: Oh, but piping it
with our watches using React.

677
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:19,980
Yeah. Okay. And this is the
React thing I keep bringing up

678
00:42:19,980 --> 00:42:23,700
because I'm fascinated by stuff
I don't understand. And like,

679
00:42:23,700 --> 00:42:26,910
it's sort of like this sick
fascination that I have out to

680
00:42:26,940 --> 00:42:30,540
watch people build stuff with
this thing that I don't be, you

681
00:42:30,540 --> 00:42:35,220
know, ever use or having any
experience with? And, like, is

682
00:42:35,220 --> 00:42:40,860
it? Is it the right choice? This
gives me a chance to ask you

683
00:42:40,860 --> 00:42:46,710
some stuff. In, in your opinion,
is react, is that the right

684
00:42:46,710 --> 00:42:51,240
choice for something like the
podcast index website? Or is it

685
00:42:51,240 --> 00:42:55,230
just good enough? Or should we
like read engineer this thing?

686
00:42:55,230 --> 00:42:55,770
Or what?

687
00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:59,610
Steven Crader: I'd say it's good
enough? I'm not. I mostly don't

688
00:42:59,610 --> 00:43:02,460
do web development. So I haven't
looked at a bunch of the

689
00:43:02,460 --> 00:43:04,770
different options that are out
there.

690
00:43:05,910 --> 00:43:07,530
Dave Jones: Python stuff is all
back end.

691
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:12,600
Steven Crader: Yeah. It's just
you know, it's used to test the

692
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:14,970
products. There's a bunch of
communication interfaces. And so

693
00:43:14,970 --> 00:43:19,320
we're talking USB or serial or
stuff to the hardware devices.

694
00:43:20,790 --> 00:43:23,040
Dave Jones: Alex said, Well, you
put in Steven on the Hot Box.

695
00:43:25,470 --> 00:43:28,710
Answer answer questions about
pipelines and frameworks even go

696
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:33,539
Adam Curry: what is the I mean,
what's the main thing that keeps

697
00:43:33,539 --> 00:43:37,199
you interested in the project?
I'm always I always like to know

698
00:43:37,199 --> 00:43:41,189
about that. Because you know,
actually, today is probably the

699
00:43:41,189 --> 00:43:44,729
first time you're even really
receiving SATs as a split of

700
00:43:44,729 --> 00:43:47,669
anything because you don't
really have a split. I don't

701
00:43:47,669 --> 00:43:51,719
think in most in most, you
should now I think about it. You

702
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:53,069
should have a permanent split.

703
00:43:53,550 --> 00:43:56,730
Dave Jones: We've done split for
we haven't done it for a while.

704
00:43:56,730 --> 00:43:57,030
Yeah, I

705
00:43:57,030 --> 00:43:58,050
Adam Curry: remember that. Yeah,

706
00:43:58,199 --> 00:44:01,079
Steven Crader: I was on I had a
split and an episode that I

707
00:44:01,259 --> 00:44:07,889
wasn't good. So yeah, that was
interesting. You know, and then

708
00:44:08,399 --> 00:44:12,779
how did that feel? It was good.
Yeah, it was nice to see you

709
00:44:12,779 --> 00:44:16,529
know just had happening and what
it looks like you know, since I

710
00:44:16,559 --> 00:44:21,239
don't do app development that
you know, would see it normally

711
00:44:21,269 --> 00:44:24,329
I don't have a podcast myself.
So that's something right so

712
00:44:24,329 --> 00:44:25,199
normally good to see.

713
00:44:25,230 --> 00:44:28,890
Adam Curry: Okay, can I want to
have a quick kind of can I call

714
00:44:28,890 --> 00:44:32,430
a vote here I'd like to make a
motion to put Stephen crater

715
00:44:32,460 --> 00:44:35,040
because we don't have enough
split can I put Stephen crater

716
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:41,490
in our in our block here So
moved. Second die and approved.

717
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:46,080
Okay, you're in for good now,
Stephen already. But you got 10%

718
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:49,560
For today, like most of our
guests, so we're actually is

719
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:54,150
probably a top end guest I know.
I don't do I could do 10% or 5%.

720
00:44:54,150 --> 00:44:59,970
I can't remember. I don't know.
Regardless, regardless

721
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:01,620
Dave Jones: sauces. There's no
way

722
00:45:01,619 --> 00:45:03,989
Adam Curry: there's a lot of
sushi. But we really appreciate

723
00:45:03,989 --> 00:45:06,329
what you're doing, man, it
really makes us look

724
00:45:06,329 --> 00:45:08,849
professional, it's great to have
you in there tell us about

725
00:45:08,849 --> 00:45:11,009
transcript data, because that
just came kind of out of the

726
00:45:11,009 --> 00:45:11,429
blue.

727
00:45:12,030 --> 00:45:15,780
Steven Crader: Yeah, I think it
was a Mitch ped posted on the

728
00:45:15,780 --> 00:45:18,990
social about someone to try to
deal with all the different

729
00:45:18,990 --> 00:45:22,890
format types. And I commented
that, you know, it's something I

730
00:45:22,890 --> 00:45:28,920
could look at. And so I started
it, and then it went, Okay, you

731
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:32,220
know, it was my first NPM
package that I've published. And

732
00:45:32,220 --> 00:45:37,740
so there's some learning curves
there. And then. Yeah, so it

733
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:41,250
came together fairly easily.
Now, it's just supporting it.

734
00:45:41,250 --> 00:45:44,670
And, you know, I hope, you know,
it's useful for people that

735
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:47,220
don't want to deal with parsing
all the different file types,

736
00:45:47,220 --> 00:45:52,170
they just send the file data to
transcript, or, and it sends

737
00:45:52,170 --> 00:45:56,670
back the JSON blob of all the
segments. And then, you know, we

738
00:45:56,670 --> 00:46:00,330
recently added or I recently
added support for different ways

739
00:46:00,330 --> 00:46:03,870
of combining segments. So if
you're, you know, if it's by

740
00:46:03,870 --> 00:46:08,280
word, you can tell it, you know,
I want Yes, I like 64

741
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:11,970
characters, and yeah, it'll just
deal with it, or, you know, or

742
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:15,450
even if it's not by word, and
you can still combine them to

743
00:46:15,450 --> 00:46:17,850
stay under the length. It'll do
that.

744
00:46:19,620 --> 00:46:22,020
Dave Jones: Sounds good. Tell me
how to tell. Tell me how all

745
00:46:22,020 --> 00:46:26,490
that. Well, why did you write it
in JavaScript first, rather than

746
00:46:26,490 --> 00:46:28,770
Python, if that's what you're
most comfortable with?

747
00:46:30,870 --> 00:46:32,790
Steven Crader: Since Mitch
asked, and all their stuff,

748
00:46:32,790 --> 00:46:36,690
JavaScript, I wrote it in
JavaScript. And that's what most

749
00:46:36,690 --> 00:46:40,710
of the web's based applications
are using some types of

750
00:46:40,710 --> 00:46:43,260
JavaScript. So it's useful for
them.

751
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:47,490
Dave Jones: Yeah, that we have.
That's a kind of a constant

752
00:46:47,490 --> 00:46:51,600
thing. So many people's sort of
stack is built on JavaScript.

753
00:46:52,020 --> 00:46:59,190
And you it's like, you can make
things work. But it's almost

754
00:46:59,190 --> 00:47:03,810
like it's almost like you have
to adapt what you're doing to

755
00:47:04,050 --> 00:47:07,260
like the web stack rather than
because because otherwise he had

756
00:47:07,260 --> 00:47:12,300
to spin. Somebody has to spin up
a you know, a web server, VM or

757
00:47:12,300 --> 00:47:15,240
something and run this thing or
a Docker or something, and then

758
00:47:15,240 --> 00:47:18,330
you got to make an interface for
it to get the data out. I don't

759
00:47:18,330 --> 00:47:21,840
know that. Everything ends up
like all roads lead back to

760
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:23,190
JavaScript, unfortunately.

761
00:47:24,540 --> 00:47:26,940
Steven Crader: Yeah, it seems
like you know, from my

762
00:47:26,940 --> 00:47:30,690
understanding, a lot of the web
is now leading JavaScript,

763
00:47:30,690 --> 00:47:33,300
either on the front end or the
back end of some type. And,

764
00:47:34,230 --> 00:47:37,950
yeah, obviously, the bigger the
site, and the more they may do

765
00:47:38,070 --> 00:47:43,800
Python back ends or PHP stuff,
but JavaScript seems to be super

766
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:44,310
popular.

767
00:47:45,150 --> 00:47:47,280
Dave Jones: Let me throw let me
throw something at both of

768
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:53,370
y'all. Because I've been working
on the been working on the

769
00:47:53,370 --> 00:48:01,440
dashboard. I guess. I've got
I've got something for you. I've

770
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:02,670
got some legit stuff.

771
00:48:02,699 --> 00:48:05,399
Adam Curry: I am ready. I mean,
you've been teasing this like,

772
00:48:05,429 --> 00:48:09,539
Oh, I did it. I scuttled it. I
did it again. Right and ready.

773
00:48:09,539 --> 00:48:14,729
I'm ready. The genie Genie with
it. Go. Oh, here we go.

774
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:19,619
Dave Jones: Let's see. Go to
your Steven, you've got a you've

775
00:48:19,619 --> 00:48:21,959
got an API account, right? Yes.

776
00:48:21,989 --> 00:48:25,289
Adam Curry: You're gonna ask me
to log in. Right. Yeah, I don't

777
00:48:25,289 --> 00:48:25,979
think I know

778
00:48:25,980 --> 00:48:28,500
Dave Jones: what that is. Is
it's not possible.

779
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:33,450
Adam Curry: You should have
prepped me for this one brother.

780
00:48:33,990 --> 00:48:40,590
Yes. Let me see. The password.
Well, did I somebody I mean, I'm

781
00:48:40,590 --> 00:48:41,670
sure but

782
00:48:45,690 --> 00:48:47,310
Dave Jones: Steven, you can go
log into this

783
00:48:47,310 --> 00:48:50,130
Adam Curry: may not. This may
not be something that I can pop

784
00:48:50,130 --> 00:48:59,280
into that quick. Let me see. Ne
Ne Ne Ne Ne Ne. I just got my

785
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:02,100
bid award. And I've just been
using that religiously for about

786
00:49:02,100 --> 00:49:06,270
two three weeks. So thank you,
Dave. Yeah, that's secure.

787
00:49:09,810 --> 00:49:13,890
Dave Jones: No, that's not your
fastball. No, that's a fee, but

788
00:49:13,890 --> 00:49:18,180
I'm setting you up here. I'm
setting you up. Okay. And I have

789
00:49:18,180 --> 00:49:19,920
my screen blank down on the
stream.

790
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:23,790
Adam Curry: Okay, yeah, I can't
do this. I can't do anything

791
00:49:23,790 --> 00:49:26,850
here. You can't log in. No, I
don't know where it is, brother.

792
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:32,280
I know. I know. But you look. I
mean, it's on a different

793
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:36,090
system. Probably. Well, let me
give you my password. No, you're

794
00:49:36,090 --> 00:49:39,840
talking. Not that. No, you're
talking security. Okay. Yeah,

795
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:40,080
this

796
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:42,690
Dave Jones: is the way real
security happens. Yeah, okay.

797
00:49:42,810 --> 00:49:46,440
Adam Curry: Hey. It has nothing
on us, man.

798
00:49:46,890 --> 00:49:48,510
Dave Jones: All right. Yes,
small company security.

799
00:49:48,899 --> 00:49:51,569
Adam Curry: So where do I go?
What do you are? Oh, am I going

800
00:49:51,569 --> 00:49:56,309
here? Okay, let me let me go
into podcasts. index.or. Hold on

801
00:49:56,309 --> 00:49:57,809
a second API.

802
00:50:04,739 --> 00:50:13,049
API that podcast index.org Oh,
wait, I may have guessed right.

803
00:50:16,199 --> 00:50:17,519
I have my own. I have my own.

804
00:50:17,550 --> 00:50:18,510
Dave Jones: Oh, you found?

805
00:50:18,930 --> 00:50:23,040
Adam Curry: I did. Okay, got API
keys is where I am now. Yes.

806
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:24,060
Okay. All right. Let

807
00:50:24,060 --> 00:50:25,380
Dave Jones: me let me. Let me

808
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:28,740
Adam Curry: delete it from here.
That's not a good idea. I'm a

809
00:50:28,740 --> 00:50:34,320
publisher. Alright, log is so
sexy.

810
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:37,890
Dave Jones: Okay, so up, you
know, up at the top, you see the

811
00:50:37,890 --> 00:50:38,520
search now?

812
00:50:39,900 --> 00:50:43,050
Adam Curry: Yes, yes, I do. I
do. Okay, now, the feed in that

813
00:50:43,050 --> 00:50:44,070
you sent me earlier.

814
00:50:44,700 --> 00:50:47,880
Dave Jones: Alright, so, yeah,
just put in that feed URL

815
00:50:47,910 --> 00:50:52,110
Adam Curry: do to do scan,
reset, delete. I'm gonna scan it

816
00:50:52,110 --> 00:51:00,480
right now. scan, scan, scan.
Nice. This is sexy.

817
00:51:01,620 --> 00:51:03,540
Dave Jones: I mean, don't don't
let's not get too carried away.

818
00:51:03,540 --> 00:51:06,240
This is ugliest sin, but one
scan

819
00:51:06,240 --> 00:51:08,640
Adam Curry: is green. resetted
yellow delete is red that this

820
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:11,700
is good for me. What's this
checkbox next to its number?

821
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:15,780
Dave Jones: Okay, let me let me
copy this and paste it in here.

822
00:51:16,770 --> 00:51:18,720
Adam Curry: You guys in the
chat? You want my key? Hold on a

823
00:51:18,720 --> 00:51:19,050
second.

824
00:51:22,260 --> 00:51:25,920
Dave Jones: All right. Yeah.
Okay. So do you see how if you

825
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:29,850
see how it shows up, like, like,
shaded orange now? Yes, I do.

826
00:51:30,270 --> 00:51:32,220
Yeah. Okay. That means it's in
the queue to be

827
00:51:32,220 --> 00:51:35,730
Adam Curry: polled. Oh, okay.
Got it. Okay, so

828
00:51:35,730 --> 00:51:38,970
Dave Jones: if it's if it's just
white, like normal, and it's

829
00:51:38,970 --> 00:51:41,730
good, you know? Yeah. Then yeah,
you're good has

830
00:51:41,730 --> 00:51:46,020
Adam Curry: a priority minus
one. That's right. Yes. So can I

831
00:51:46,020 --> 00:51:48,510
change any of this stuff or No,
I can't change any of that.

832
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:52,350
Dave Jones: Not yet. Yeah, so
let me give you the rundown

833
00:51:52,350 --> 00:51:57,120
here. So if you see where it
says Puck is as podcast GUID,

834
00:51:57,120 --> 00:52:00,840
and it gives you the GUID
Alright, so click on click on

835
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:01,950
that click on the GUID

836
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:07,530
Adam Curry: call. Okay, it pops
up to identicals

837
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:14,190
Dave Jones: Yeah. So, this is
let me this is a search box. You

838
00:52:14,190 --> 00:52:19,800
can search by term, like phrases
you can search by gender feed,

839
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:26,460
you know, yes, yes. You can
search by by freight like like

840
00:52:26,460 --> 00:52:31,890
keywords you can search by Feed
URL. You can search by podcast

841
00:52:31,890 --> 00:52:35,580
index ID or podcast Gu ID How
about iTunes

842
00:52:35,580 --> 00:52:38,250
Adam Curry: ID because one of
these has an iTunes ID and shows

843
00:52:38,250 --> 00:52:39,960
the generators Captivate

844
00:52:40,770 --> 00:52:44,250
Dave Jones: and it's why I love
you is because you chose you

845
00:52:44,250 --> 00:52:46,770
asked about the one thing that I
did not put in.

846
00:52:47,699 --> 00:52:51,089
Adam Curry: I do this because I
love you. But I can see here

847
00:52:51,089 --> 00:52:56,459
that the that the index ID is
older, does a lower number than

848
00:52:56,459 --> 00:53:01,679
the one that is below it. Yes.
And that is a buzzer that is the

849
00:53:01,679 --> 00:53:04,559
Buzzsprout feed you were all
that you gave me. So I'm going

850
00:53:04,559 --> 00:53:07,889
to figure that this Captivate
one is the one I need to delete.

851
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:16,500
Dave Jones: Yeah, so that that's
that's no interest you get.

852
00:53:16,590 --> 00:53:21,780
Yeah, cuz it's the fight the
5998786. Yes, that is the one

853
00:53:21,780 --> 00:53:24,300
that's right, because it's got
the iTunes ID but here but

854
00:53:24,300 --> 00:53:28,200
here's your secret sauce, the
secret sauce number two. And

855
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:30,240
this is what makes it more this
is what makes this thing

856
00:53:30,240 --> 00:53:35,490
complicated. So click on the
iTunes ID where it gives you the

857
00:53:35,490 --> 00:53:36,780
number just click on the number

858
00:53:37,890 --> 00:53:41,280
Adam Curry: two, it resolves to
feeds Buzzsprout blah, blah,

859
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:41,700
blah.

860
00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:45,959
Dave Jones: Right? That that
when you click on the iTunes ID

861
00:53:45,959 --> 00:53:50,459
it does Apple look up to find
what your real Apple thinks that

862
00:53:50,459 --> 00:53:50,789
is.

863
00:53:50,940 --> 00:53:55,110
Adam Curry: Oh, wow. Yes, that's
so that's the one you want. But

864
00:53:55,110 --> 00:53:57,150
the boys in India are going to
love this.

865
00:53:58,890 --> 00:54:03,720
Dave Jones: This is okay, so
this dashboard. These scan,

866
00:54:03,720 --> 00:54:08,850
reset, delete. That only works
for you. If you have an admin

867
00:54:08,850 --> 00:54:09,900
account, by the way,

868
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:12,060
Adam Curry: people in the chat
room if you're listening there

869
00:54:12,060 --> 00:54:15,600
is a live video stream where you
can watch Dave side of this I

870
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:16,050
guess

871
00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:19,500
Dave Jones: that's right. Yeah.
Yep. Get it on the stream

872
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:22,800
Adam Curry: as an audio product.
This is really lame. It's

873
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:24,540
terrible. It's horrible.

874
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:28,320
Dave Jones: But But I wanted to
see like I made I made Steven an

875
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:32,820
admin so he could see this too.
Yeah. Because he's he's now the

876
00:54:32,820 --> 00:54:37,920
reluctant web front end
developer against his own head

877
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:43,830
against his will. So What's
What's complicated about this,

878
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:48,450
and this is this is why I chose
this example. So we have two

879
00:54:48,450 --> 00:54:52,170
feeds. And this is a common
things that happen thing that

880
00:54:52,170 --> 00:54:55,920
happens within the index. Yep.
So you get people that bitch

881
00:54:55,920 --> 00:55:00,720
about duplicates in the index
all the time. They This is why

882
00:55:00,750 --> 00:55:04,530
it's hard to resolve. Because
what we have here is we have two

883
00:55:04,530 --> 00:55:09,510
feeds. One of them has an iTunes
ID associated with it pointing

884
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:14,070
and in the feed URL in the index
points to captivate, right?

885
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:22,350
This, this podcaster, went to
iTunes and changed their feed

886
00:55:22,350 --> 00:55:26,880
URL in house directory. Yes.
Captivate two Buzzsprout Gotcha.

887
00:55:26,910 --> 00:55:32,100
But there's no redirect. So now
what we have is we discovered

888
00:55:32,100 --> 00:55:34,920
organically through pod pain, we
discovered there Buzzsprout

889
00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:40,350
feed, we have two feeds now, and
to have a conflicting URL. So

890
00:55:40,620 --> 00:55:47,610
what needs to happen here is
that the the one, the duplicate,

891
00:55:47,670 --> 00:55:54,360
the 126435683 needs to be
deleted, but also the feed URL

892
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:59,100
for 5998786 needs to be changed
to the Buzzsprout feed. So this

893
00:55:59,100 --> 00:56:00,150
is something you can't

894
00:56:00,540 --> 00:56:03,240
Adam Curry: do. You can't
resolve through that. Yeah.

895
00:56:03,750 --> 00:56:06,030
Dave Jones: Right. So what you
have now with this dashboard is

896
00:56:06,030 --> 00:56:09,840
you have a basic set of tools,
you have scan, reset, which

897
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:13,680
will, which will destroy all the
all the metadata, all the

898
00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:16,320
episodes and just reset the
thing from scratch,

899
00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:19,380
Adam Curry: reset and reset it
to what? Well, it

900
00:56:19,380 --> 00:56:21,120
Dave Jones: blows away
everything we know about the

901
00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:23,700
phone, and then sends another
poll.

902
00:56:23,729 --> 00:56:26,609
Adam Curry: Okay, now what? Why
is there a checkbox next to the

903
00:56:26,609 --> 00:56:27,269
numbers?

904
00:56:27,870 --> 00:56:31,170
Dave Jones: That's in progress?
That's so here's, here's the

905
00:56:31,170 --> 00:56:31,710
idea.

906
00:56:31,740 --> 00:56:33,540
Adam Curry: You want to know
what to do with this one? I just

907
00:56:33,540 --> 00:56:34,980
delete them both screw this guy.

908
00:56:40,770 --> 00:56:42,450
Dave Jones: 30 seconds you like
now? You're

909
00:56:42,750 --> 00:56:46,110
Adam Curry: gone. Delete.
Delete. Thanks for this. Dave. I

910
00:56:46,110 --> 00:56:48,690
Dave Jones: love this. That is
actually a beautiful way to

911
00:56:48,690 --> 00:56:49,410
solve the problem.

912
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:51,450
Adam Curry: Yeah, it'll fix
itself eventually.

913
00:56:52,260 --> 00:56:54,180
Dave Jones: Okay, all right.
Yeah, just let's not do that.

914
00:56:54,540 --> 00:56:59,280
Okay. The nuclear nuclear
solution? Yeah. Yeah. Dust off a

915
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:06,060
nuke it from orbit. That's it?
Yeah, so that's what I was going

916
00:57:06,060 --> 00:57:09,480
to ask you about statements. So
the, here's my idea, I want you

917
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:15,450
to I want you to to do sanity
check me, okay. But my only the

918
00:57:15,450 --> 00:57:20,310
only way I thought of to handle
a situation like this was to put

919
00:57:20,310 --> 00:57:23,310
a couple of checkboxes like
where you could say, okay,

920
00:57:23,310 --> 00:57:27,030
these, you could check boxes,
both of these, and then have

921
00:57:27,030 --> 00:57:31,770
another button somewhere that
says, basically, merge these two

922
00:57:31,770 --> 00:57:37,680
together. And, and then you you
can do it in a way, you would

923
00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:40,740
have some sort of way that says,
okay, merge these two together,

924
00:57:40,740 --> 00:57:44,760
but this one is the primary,
right and what it would, and it

925
00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:49,710
would mark the other one did
drop a pointer to the to the

926
00:57:49,710 --> 00:57:57,750
correct one in the index, and
then take the, and then do a

927
00:57:57,750 --> 00:58:01,620
resolution on the URL to find
out what the correct URL is. And

928
00:58:01,620 --> 00:58:06,090
fix it. Right. I mean, this this
sounds super messy, though. I

929
00:58:06,090 --> 00:58:06,420
mean,

930
00:58:06,449 --> 00:58:10,559
Adam Curry: no, no, I can do
this. Seriously. I'm all I mean,

931
00:58:10,559 --> 00:58:14,189
I can already just looking at
this, I can already solve 95% of

932
00:58:14,189 --> 00:58:14,909
the issues.

933
00:58:15,420 --> 00:58:18,990
Dave Jones: Yeah, but but, but
this specific issue, though,

934
00:58:19,020 --> 00:58:19,320
like

935
00:58:20,250 --> 00:58:24,480
Adam Curry: to model a hunting
and fishing podcast, who cares,

936
00:58:24,510 --> 00:58:25,740
delete, delete.

937
00:58:29,489 --> 00:58:31,439
Dave Jones: Like, so.

938
00:58:33,930 --> 00:58:37,170
Steven Crader: On ancestry, like
when you're building your family

939
00:58:37,170 --> 00:58:40,890
tree, when you find a new
record, you can like, associate

940
00:58:40,890 --> 00:58:44,370
the two people. And then like
all the different attributes,

941
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:46,980
you can tell whether I want to
keep what I already have or pull

942
00:58:46,980 --> 00:58:51,120
from the new data. That may be
interesting.

943
00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:53,820
Dave Jones: Okay, so you're so
you're saying the Y could do is

944
00:58:53,820 --> 00:58:57,990
like you could put checkboxes on
the duplicates, and then say, I

945
00:58:57,990 --> 00:59:00,510
don't know, do something like
resolve duplicates, and then it

946
00:59:00,510 --> 00:59:05,490
presents you with sort of a sub
UI that says, which stuff do you

947
00:59:05,490 --> 00:59:06,060
want to keep?

948
00:59:06,210 --> 00:59:08,580
Adam Curry: What can I just
interject? It seems to me like

949
00:59:08,580 --> 00:59:11,670
Okay, so what we know is, the
one we want to keep is the

950
00:59:11,670 --> 00:59:17,640
64356, a three in the old 15998
Blah, blah, but we want to, we

951
00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:22,410
want to suck the stuff over.
Right? Just have an arrow

952
00:59:22,410 --> 00:59:25,080
between the two that said, just
suck it this way, suck it that

953
00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:30,090
way. That's just does that make
sense? Or is that not a good way

954
00:59:30,090 --> 00:59:35,250
to do it? Just merge it down or
merge it up? And then delete

955
00:59:35,250 --> 00:59:36,210
delete the other one?

956
00:59:36,750 --> 00:59:41,220
Dave Jones: Okay, that works. If
it as long as it's just two then

957
00:59:41,490 --> 00:59:43,440
there's, we had one the other
day it was three

958
00:59:43,469 --> 00:59:47,399
Steven Crader: now. I mean, you
could always do it in two steps,

959
00:59:47,489 --> 00:59:48,629
combined two and then

960
00:59:49,020 --> 00:59:51,660
Adam Curry: yesterday, people
have no idea what goes into

961
00:59:51,660 --> 00:59:54,780
running this kind of index, do
they they have no idea what what

962
00:59:54,780 --> 00:59:58,650
we run into? It is it is and I
love the decentralized nature of

963
00:59:58,650 --> 01:00:03,570
podcasting. This is what happens
when you centralize it. This is

964
01:00:03,570 --> 01:00:07,410
the stuff that we run into. It's
amazing. I want to congratulate

965
01:00:07,410 --> 01:00:09,420
you for putting this together
day. This is beautiful. I mean,

966
01:00:09,420 --> 01:00:12,660
I get what's happening, and I
understand the issues.

967
01:00:13,739 --> 01:00:17,309
Dave Jones: And what happened
was a great one the other day it

968
01:00:17,309 --> 01:00:21,299
was we did have one that had
three. One of them was a

969
01:00:21,299 --> 01:00:24,329
Spreaker. When that was old, it
was just, it was just a dead

970
01:00:24,329 --> 01:00:29,819
feed that they never deleted.
God that killed that one. And

971
01:00:29,819 --> 01:00:35,609
then there was two left. It was
two separate Apple IDs, both of

972
01:00:35,609 --> 01:00:37,139
which pointed to the same URL.

973
01:00:37,170 --> 01:00:37,860
Adam Curry: Nice.

974
01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:42,690
Dave Jones: So I'm like, Yeah,
dude. I mean, really, you need

975
01:00:42,690 --> 01:00:45,180
to just clean your stuff up. So
you know, at that point, it's

976
01:00:45,180 --> 01:00:49,890
like, it results undefined. I
don't know.

977
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:53,010
Adam Curry: I love though, that
this bottom one says last

978
01:00:53,010 --> 01:00:58,290
scanned to 20 2306 2313 2542
because that's when I hit the

979
01:00:58,290 --> 01:00:58,980
Scan button.

980
01:00:59,790 --> 01:01:03,120
Dave Jones: Oh, yeah. Yeah,
that's right. So cool. So this

981
01:01:03,150 --> 01:01:08,610
is doing now do let's see, what
is. Let me look. Let me look,

982
01:01:08,610 --> 01:01:08,760
we're

983
01:01:08,970 --> 01:01:12,330
Adam Curry: doing a podcast so I
want to make sure that we know

984
01:01:12,330 --> 01:01:12,780
people love

985
01:01:12,780 --> 01:01:15,300
Dave Jones: this. Oh, this is
great. Yes. Great material.

986
01:01:15,300 --> 01:01:15,720
Okay.

987
01:01:16,500 --> 01:01:19,500
Adam Curry: Search for Emmy
award winning right here. Okay.

988
01:01:21,420 --> 01:01:22,920
Dave Jones: No agenda. Oh, good.
I

989
01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:24,750
Adam Curry: get to blow a whole
bunch of people out of the

990
01:01:24,780 --> 01:01:25,440
index.

991
01:01:25,890 --> 01:01:28,530
Dave Jones: Yeah, and now and
now. Now click on your podcast.

992
01:01:28,530 --> 01:01:30,300
Do it on 41 504.

993
01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:33,900
Adam Curry: Okay. Oh, that's the
items I do. Sorry. Podcast.

994
01:01:33,900 --> 01:01:34,590
Good. Yeah.

995
01:01:35,010 --> 01:01:36,540
Dave Jones: And now look at Oh,

996
01:01:37,350 --> 01:01:40,050
Adam Curry: oh, how does this
even happen?

997
01:01:40,740 --> 01:01:43,350
Dave Jones: It because well, the
older you get the Opus feed

998
01:01:43,650 --> 01:01:46,170
somebody somebody didn't program
it right. But Corinne

999
01:01:46,170 --> 01:01:47,880
Adam Curry: the keeper. I
thought we changed that.

1000
01:01:48,360 --> 01:01:52,320
Dave Jones: Evidently not.
Evidently not.

1001
01:01:52,830 --> 01:01:54,960
Steven Crader: Is it the active
current indicator or is that an

1002
01:01:54,960 --> 01:01:55,290
old

1003
01:01:55,380 --> 01:01:57,510
Adam Curry: currently looks like
an old Korean the keeper?

1004
01:01:58,020 --> 01:01:59,910
Dave Jones: You get to Korean
the keepers. Yeah,

1005
01:01:59,940 --> 01:02:05,550
Adam Curry: I see it says
feed.na shownotes. Ca TK RSS dot

1006
01:02:05,550 --> 01:02:06,780
XML one.

1007
01:02:07,740 --> 01:02:09,360
Dave Jones: Okay, well, then
that's a bad one. You just

1008
01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:10,380
delete. Oh, I

1009
01:02:10,380 --> 01:02:13,860
Adam Curry: finally get I didn't
get to nuke my wife. Did you

1010
01:02:13,860 --> 01:02:19,710
really sure. Yes. Boom, dead.
Gone. Okay, now let me make and

1011
01:02:19,710 --> 01:02:24,120
there is it's still there. I
nuked it. Maybe I have to

1012
01:02:24,120 --> 01:02:29,430
refresh the search. Baby, it's
still there. It didn't Ah, man,

1013
01:02:29,430 --> 01:02:32,250
you gave me a boat. You gave me
like one of those FBI things

1014
01:02:32,250 --> 01:02:35,250
where you you give the guy a
detonator and say hey, yeah,

1015
01:02:35,250 --> 01:02:37,770
man. Good. Pretend you're gonna
blow stuff up and it's empty

1016
01:02:37,770 --> 01:02:38,250
button.

1017
01:02:38,610 --> 01:02:41,640
Dave Jones: Did you get the cell
phone? That doesn't do anything?

1018
01:02:41,640 --> 01:02:42,060
Yeah, he's

1019
01:02:42,060 --> 01:02:42,870
Adam Curry: still there.

1020
01:02:43,260 --> 01:02:45,720
Dave Jones: Did you Did you hit?
I'm really really sure. Yeah,

1021
01:02:45,720 --> 01:02:48,750
Adam Curry: well, I do again,
delete. It says do you want to

1022
01:02:48,750 --> 01:02:55,620
mark are the keepers dead? Dead?
Dead? Dead. Dead to me. This

1023
01:02:55,620 --> 01:02:58,260
will remove the podcast from
being listed publicly and we'll

1024
01:02:58,260 --> 01:03:02,010
hide it from API resources
confirm. Are you really really

1025
01:03:02,010 --> 01:03:07,380
sure? Yes. Refresh. It's still
there at the bottom.

1026
01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:10,050
Dave Jones: Okay, this is this
is a book

1027
01:03:11,130 --> 01:03:14,430
Adam Curry: that's what I do.
This is what I do. DAVE Oh my

1028
01:03:14,430 --> 01:03:17,730
let me just there's so but when
I search for curry in the

1029
01:03:17,730 --> 01:03:23,850
keeper, I get the I get only one
result. Okay, so I'm gonna go

1030
01:03:23,850 --> 01:03:31,350
back to no agenda. And Oh,
interesting. Boy, I click on my

1031
01:03:31,410 --> 01:03:36,360
podcast GUID. And yet still
there. Okay, so that's a bug but

1032
01:03:36,360 --> 01:03:38,550
it's not showing up in the
current the keeper search, which

1033
01:03:38,550 --> 01:03:43,440
is good. So nice. Okay, so I
have Oh, I see what's going on

1034
01:03:43,440 --> 01:03:46,800
here. So is a torrent feed,
which has the same podcast good.

1035
01:03:47,730 --> 01:03:52,830
IPFS podcasting.net, which has
the same guid interesting

1036
01:03:52,860 --> 01:03:54,240
Dave Jones: Yeah, right. Right.

1037
01:03:55,320 --> 01:04:00,750
Adam Curry: Then it has feed.na
shownotes feeds.no agenda

1038
01:04:00,750 --> 01:04:07,710
assets. No agenda
light.glump.net Sexy. That's the

1039
01:04:07,710 --> 01:04:12,720
Opus feed. And then the feed.na
show notes. So there's a Okay,

1040
01:04:12,720 --> 01:04:16,860
there is a real a true
duplicate, which is feed.na show

1041
01:04:16,860 --> 01:04:20,820
notes and feed.no that's there's
a true duplicate it's

1042
01:04:20,850 --> 01:04:23,610
Dave Jones: it's I wonder if
this is showing dead feeds also

1043
01:04:23,640 --> 01:04:24,180
and

1044
01:04:24,630 --> 01:04:27,330
Adam Curry: I think I think it
is because I could not find the

1045
01:04:27,330 --> 01:04:30,030
Korean Zookeeper. So I may be
showing dead feeds. That's what

1046
01:04:30,030 --> 01:04:30,090
it

1047
01:04:30,090 --> 01:04:32,100
Dave Jones: is. Okay, I need to
fix it. That's the bug. Okay.

1048
01:04:32,340 --> 01:04:34,560
Adam Curry: Can we can we take a
little break here and do

1049
01:04:34,560 --> 01:04:36,090
something else for the people
listening?

1050
01:04:36,510 --> 01:04:39,180
Dave Jones: Well, yes, but I
think this was important to go

1051
01:04:39,180 --> 01:04:40,050
through because we have

1052
01:04:40,080 --> 01:04:42,450
Adam Curry: because I found a
bug as usual. Yeah, that's why

1053
01:04:42,450 --> 01:04:43,080
we do it.

1054
01:04:43,560 --> 01:04:47,670
Dave Jones: Yeah, but but we
need to enlist other people to

1055
01:04:47,670 --> 01:04:55,710
do this. Yeah. Yeah. This Oh,
like I want I would like to have

1056
01:04:56,040 --> 01:04:59,400
because people have been asking
to help. Yeah,

1057
01:04:59,460 --> 01:05:01,980
Adam Curry: we can use the help
because it's going to be a lot

1058
01:05:01,980 --> 01:05:05,640
but it's also dangerous because
you may look as oh, let's delete

1059
01:05:05,640 --> 01:05:10,560
all these other duplicate no
agendas. And that's because the

1060
01:05:10,560 --> 01:05:13,380
no agenda torrents which I think
actually may be a dead feed, but

1061
01:05:13,410 --> 01:05:19,560
IPFS podcasting dotnet let me
rescan that sucker, because that

1062
01:05:20,820 --> 01:05:25,230
I think that's the correct URL
for IPFS. Podcasting for no

1063
01:05:25,230 --> 01:05:30,300
agenda. It's not current because
last scan 2022 so that you know,

1064
01:05:30,300 --> 01:05:32,400
that's an edge case that needs
to be looked at. And it

1065
01:05:32,400 --> 01:05:34,800
certainly should have a
different podcast GUID.

1066
01:05:35,730 --> 01:05:42,510
Dave Jones: Yeah. So we have to
figure out well, I'm thinking

1067
01:05:42,510 --> 01:05:45,870
I'm thinking this is this is the
way that this would work is we

1068
01:05:45,870 --> 01:05:51,870
would give initially, we would
give access to these controls,

1069
01:05:52,740 --> 01:05:56,880
to just a couple of people like
Cridland has been begging to

1070
01:05:56,880 --> 01:06:04,020
help I would, the the people we
give, we give curation to wood

1071
01:06:04,050 --> 01:06:06,840
are going to have to be people
that understand all of the

1072
01:06:06,840 --> 01:06:09,990
technical details of how this
stuff works. May I

1073
01:06:09,990 --> 01:06:12,180
Adam Curry: suggest that we
start first just by handling

1074
01:06:12,210 --> 01:06:16,230
incoming stuff and get a handle
on it that way? Yes, yes, yes.

1075
01:06:16,230 --> 01:06:18,480
Yes. Because that yeah, that's
where we're gonna find a lot of

1076
01:06:18,480 --> 01:06:22,140
these cases. And, you know, I do
that triage and I look at it and

1077
01:06:22,140 --> 01:06:24,480
go, Okay, I don't know what to
do here. I don't want to mess it

1078
01:06:24,480 --> 01:06:27,810
up. And then I'll defer to you.
And that that will be something

1079
01:06:27,810 --> 01:06:28,530
we fix.

1080
01:06:29,040 --> 01:06:30,690
Dave Jones: And then I'll send
it to Steve and he'll get it

1081
01:06:30,690 --> 01:06:32,130
I'll get it I'll fix Yeah, and

1082
01:06:32,130 --> 01:06:36,510
Adam Curry: he'll document all
right. Now we need to take a

1083
01:06:36,510 --> 01:06:41,490
break. And it's time to run with
more scissors. Oh, yes, it is.

1084
01:06:41,520 --> 01:06:45,180
As you know, we'd like to ask
our guests to select a song from

1085
01:06:45,180 --> 01:06:49,890
the value for value category,
which can be from podcast index,

1086
01:06:49,890 --> 01:06:54,600
it can be from nl beats.com It
can be from wav like.com

1087
01:06:54,810 --> 01:06:58,500
anywhere that it has a value
block included. We asked our

1088
01:06:58,500 --> 01:07:01,230
guests to do that today and he
sent me three choices and I've

1089
01:07:01,830 --> 01:07:05,070
selected one I'm going to give
everybody a little time to stall

1090
01:07:05,070 --> 01:07:09,240
if you're listening live I don't
know if pod friend does it live

1091
01:07:09,240 --> 01:07:14,310
yet. Otherwise, if you are
listening to this on anything

1092
01:07:14,670 --> 01:07:19,170
other than curio Kassar pod
friend and I think if you have

1093
01:07:19,170 --> 01:07:23,310
the latest pod verse, you will
be able to support the artists

1094
01:07:23,310 --> 01:07:28,140
by streaming your SATs and Oh,
and also pod fans. I think pod

1095
01:07:28,140 --> 01:07:31,950
fans does it. Do they do it live
yet? It wouldn't surprise me sam

1096
01:07:31,950 --> 01:07:35,550
se got it probably work in live
but I'm not sure I know. I know

1097
01:07:35,550 --> 01:07:40,440
it has the value splits working
on recorded stuff. So if you

1098
01:07:40,440 --> 01:07:44,910
would help us with this scissor
exercise to boost the following

1099
01:07:44,910 --> 01:07:48,990
artists that'd be great. But
what I selected was handle it by

1100
01:07:49,020 --> 01:07:55,290
lazy Steven any particular
reason you'd like this song? Ah,

1101
01:07:55,590 --> 01:07:58,170
Steven Crader: no, I just I was
scrolling through wave Lake and

1102
01:07:58,620 --> 01:08:04,440
I just random and what found it
and sound good so yeah, let's

1103
01:08:04,469 --> 01:08:06,569
Adam Curry: get you selected
three one of them was really

1104
01:08:06,569 --> 01:08:11,699
slow I'm like ah man. After Dave
goes through his whole imagine

1105
01:08:11,729 --> 01:08:17,129
imagine imagine what you're
seeing on the screen. Also, this

1106
01:08:17,129 --> 01:08:20,039
is about three minutes so I
really liked it has no intro so

1107
01:08:20,039 --> 01:08:22,439
I'm gonna give a little scissor
to it and everybody please boost

1108
01:08:22,439 --> 01:08:25,859
this artists particularly after
the fact but if you can do it

1109
01:08:25,859 --> 01:08:29,309
live they'll do it live it's
handle it from lazy

1110
01:08:34,770 --> 01:08:38,700
Unknown: stop gotta find a
winner never quit pushing

1111
01:08:42,930 --> 01:08:47,400
paddling paddling.

1112
01:09:43,890 --> 01:09:47,640
Find a way to keep on hustling
never quit pushing through it.

1113
01:09:48,690 --> 01:09:53,460
Gotta keep finding stuff that
finds a way to keep on hustling.

1114
01:09:53,460 --> 01:09:59,520
Never quit pushing through.
Gotta keep de novo stuff to find

1115
01:09:59,520 --> 01:10:01,800
a way came never quit it

1116
01:10:24,900 --> 01:10:33,090
pushing to find a way those
novice novice novice novice

1117
01:11:08,640 --> 01:11:10,260
cable hustling never quit

1118
01:11:16,260 --> 01:11:17,880
cable hustling never quit

1119
01:11:24,960 --> 01:11:25,500
never quit

1120
01:11:31,500 --> 01:11:34,740
cable hustling never quit. You
can have

1121
01:11:38,820 --> 01:11:42,300
Adam Curry: glowstick time
That's right. glowstick is the

1122
01:11:42,300 --> 01:11:45,660
name of it? No. Everyone's
saying they're looking at you on

1123
01:11:45,660 --> 01:11:48,300
your stream and said you need to
glowsticks. Oh,

1124
01:11:49,350 --> 01:11:50,280
Dave Jones: she was reading
well,

1125
01:11:51,300 --> 01:11:52,830
Adam Curry: you should have been
bopping around. No, that was

1126
01:11:52,830 --> 01:11:58,110
handle it by lazy. It's la EY,
apostrophe z. In different

1127
01:11:58,110 --> 01:12:01,200
different time. Different kinds
of song for the Friday up and

1128
01:12:01,200 --> 01:12:03,630
Poppy and tempo like that. Thank
you like Steve.

1129
01:12:05,820 --> 01:12:08,370
Dave Jones: Alex mentioned he
said it's nice to have this

1130
01:12:08,370 --> 01:12:11,070
intermission in the show. Like
where you get a little break?

1131
01:12:11,100 --> 01:12:13,890
Adam Curry: Yeah. Well, that's
exactly it's pretty cool. I'm a

1132
01:12:13,890 --> 01:12:17,700
professional pronounced Decatur,
man. This is exactly what needs

1133
01:12:17,700 --> 01:12:22,920
to happen. Cool. This is good. I
really, you know, Mitch has got

1134
01:12:22,920 --> 01:12:29,190
his got the time. Ah, what was
it called again? Time Value

1135
01:12:29,190 --> 01:12:33,180
split. That's what it's called.
Yes. Yeah. He's got that setup.

1136
01:12:34,230 --> 01:12:41,280
So once that's propagated AM,
Oscar is not far behind. For a

1137
01:12:41,280 --> 01:12:43,380
music show, time.

1138
01:12:44,670 --> 01:12:48,420
Dave Jones: I got a call. I got
a call with another with another

1139
01:12:48,420 --> 01:12:52,350
app developer on Monday,
hopefully, to talk about value

1140
01:12:52,350 --> 01:12:53,610
time splits in that. So

1141
01:12:53,760 --> 01:12:56,370
Adam Curry: who is at an
existing app that that is

1142
01:12:56,370 --> 01:12:57,510
already in here already?

1143
01:12:59,250 --> 01:13:00,930
Dave Jones: I'm always nervous
about saying because I don't

1144
01:13:00,930 --> 01:13:04,410
want to like all right, but you
know, like, reveal that like

1145
01:13:05,580 --> 01:13:07,980
Adam Curry: that new that new
kids app right? It

1146
01:13:10,320 --> 01:13:12,540
Dave Jones: is the kids pod.
Yeah, it's kids pod.

1147
01:13:13,020 --> 01:13:15,240
Adam Curry: Kids. Some I want to
talk to about both you about

1148
01:13:15,240 --> 01:13:18,630
that. Because I'm all I think
was taught posts on podcasts

1149
01:13:18,630 --> 01:13:24,390
index out social project p 92.
What the heck is that? Yeah,

1150
01:13:24,390 --> 01:13:29,160
that's the meta new twitter
twitter competitor, which

1151
01:13:29,160 --> 01:13:34,920
apparently project p 92. Is is
trying to get together with

1152
01:13:34,920 --> 01:13:39,750
Mastodon admins since they will
be using either a something

1153
01:13:39,750 --> 01:13:43,890
that's compatible with activity
pub, or maybe activity pub

1154
01:13:43,890 --> 01:13:47,730
itself. You guys heard anything
about that?

1155
01:13:48,330 --> 01:13:52,410
Dave Jones: Just heard a bunch
of Fed of Fed averse, like sis

1156
01:13:52,410 --> 01:13:55,530
admins or like sign some sort of
thing that they were gonna all

1157
01:13:55,530 --> 01:13:57,300
block at the same time. What?

1158
01:13:57,990 --> 01:14:01,980
Adam Curry: They're gonna block
it really good. Oh, goodness.

1159
01:14:02,070 --> 01:14:04,050
Dave Jones: Am I wrong about
that? Stephen, did you see that?

1160
01:14:04,500 --> 01:14:06,390
Steven Crader: No, I didn't see
that.

1161
01:14:07,350 --> 01:14:09,540
Adam Curry: They're gonna block
it out of principle right off

1162
01:14:09,540 --> 01:14:11,520
the bat. They don't even know
what it is.

1163
01:14:11,670 --> 01:14:13,650
Dave Jones: Let me see if I can
say there were it was just like

1164
01:14:13,650 --> 01:14:17,160
a it was some sort of like, a
pact or something like that.

1165
01:14:17,160 --> 01:14:19,800
Yeah. You know how that I mean,
this is the same group of people

1166
01:14:19,800 --> 01:14:22,410
that blocked no and no agenda
social five minutes after it

1167
01:14:22,410 --> 01:14:24,240
started. And it's like, it's
just

1168
01:14:24,360 --> 01:14:27,090
Adam Curry: yeah, but that's
rightly so we are a bunch of kk

1169
01:14:27,090 --> 01:14:31,440
k Nazi Cardrooms. Full of free
speech. Of course speech. Free

1170
01:14:31,440 --> 01:14:33,480
speech. Yeah, we have no, we
have no business being on the

1171
01:14:33,480 --> 01:14:34,230
fediverse.

1172
01:14:35,040 --> 01:14:37,410
Dave Jones: Well, Facebook, I
mean, it makes sense to block.

1173
01:14:37,440 --> 01:14:39,810
It doesn't make any sense to
block it says Facebook is the

1174
01:14:39,810 --> 01:14:41,400
fourth largest podcast platform.

1175
01:14:43,410 --> 01:14:45,750
Adam Curry: That really says a
lot about all of these surveys,

1176
01:14:45,750 --> 01:14:47,730
doesn't it? I'm so tired of
them.

1177
01:14:48,600 --> 01:14:54,090
Dave Jones: That it relates. It
relates back to I think what I

1178
01:14:54,090 --> 01:14:59,190
said last week, or I tried to
say maybe I don't think I was

1179
01:14:59,190 --> 01:15:05,970
very clear. About. That's why
That's why the podcast

1180
01:15:05,970 --> 01:15:09,840
industrial complex is going to
follow the money. Yeah. And they

1181
01:15:09,840 --> 01:15:15,690
will, they will say everything.
If they'll say anything as a

1182
01:15:15,690 --> 01:15:17,880
podcast, yeah, money,

1183
01:15:18,059 --> 01:15:20,189
Adam Curry: they're gonna wind
up, they're all gone. I kind of

1184
01:15:20,189 --> 01:15:24,899
like it. And this goes back to
Todd. And I love his excitement.

1185
01:15:24,899 --> 01:15:30,899
I love Todd's vigor, I love his
passion. And he, you can bust on

1186
01:15:30,899 --> 01:15:34,289
him as much as you want. But,
you know, get your own.com He's

1187
01:15:34,319 --> 01:15:37,439
absolutely right. And you know,
and that's just the truth, you

1188
01:15:37,439 --> 01:15:40,199
know, you need to maintain your
own identity, you need to have

1189
01:15:40,199 --> 01:15:43,499
ownership over it. And I think
you're right, the podcast

1190
01:15:43,499 --> 01:15:46,109
industrial industrial complex
will go where the money is,

1191
01:15:46,319 --> 01:15:49,859
there may be money at YouTube.
And you know, and everyone's

1192
01:15:49,859 --> 01:15:52,139
gonna have to really because,
you know, if you don't have a

1193
01:15:52,139 --> 01:15:56,429
video, a video product, you're
not going to get a lot of play

1194
01:15:56,429 --> 01:15:59,669
on YouTube, they're not going to
feature you. So get ready to

1195
01:15:59,669 --> 01:16:04,169
invest in cameras and makeup,
and whatever you need to do to

1196
01:16:04,169 --> 01:16:08,069
make it interesting than as
like, I'm not so worried about

1197
01:16:08,069 --> 01:16:11,309
that. I mean, Spotify is
literally before our eyes

1198
01:16:11,309 --> 01:16:14,279
proving that they could not
monetize the network, they could

1199
01:16:14,279 --> 01:16:21,659
not do it. Now they're their big
new hire is Trevor Noah. And

1200
01:16:21,689 --> 01:16:24,869
apparently, he's not going to be
a Spotify exclusive. So we'll

1201
01:16:24,869 --> 01:16:29,489
have an RSS feed on all
platforms. And, you know, so,

1202
01:16:29,819 --> 01:16:33,269
too great. So what if you really
become you become a podcast

1203
01:16:33,269 --> 01:16:39,809
studio who overpays celebrities,
stuff that you probably can't, I

1204
01:16:39,809 --> 01:16:43,109
don't know, Trevor Noah may be
monetizable. But he's not

1205
01:16:43,109 --> 01:16:46,229
completely brand safe and
suitable.

1206
01:16:47,400 --> 01:16:48,600
Dave Jones: And he's not very
funny.

1207
01:16:49,470 --> 01:16:53,250
Adam Curry: There's that issue.
He rubs a lot of people the

1208
01:16:53,250 --> 01:16:58,200
wrong way, which is fine. A lot
of people love him. But I just

1209
01:16:58,230 --> 01:17:00,870
don't know. I mean, it's good
that they're gonna put them on

1210
01:17:00,870 --> 01:17:04,560
RSS. And and I think we're
really gonna see a split. I

1211
01:17:04,560 --> 01:17:08,970
mean, let's let's be very clear
about it. It'll take I love no

1212
01:17:08,970 --> 01:17:12,390
agenda tube and I think there's
a huge future in this, but it's

1213
01:17:12,390 --> 01:17:17,970
not going to really be seen as
any recorded video competitor

1214
01:17:17,970 --> 01:17:22,500
for a long time for live Yes,
but I think right away for live

1215
01:17:22,500 --> 01:17:27,720
with the install base of of the
lit podcast apps. Yeah, I think

1216
01:17:27,720 --> 01:17:31,320
that's it's going to be
especially with the boost

1217
01:17:31,320 --> 01:17:34,800
feature built right in it'll,
it'll totally be competitive.

1218
01:17:35,940 --> 01:17:39,000
You know, after the fact
storage, storage and bandwidth

1219
01:17:39,000 --> 01:17:43,170
you know, it's like it's that's
why people flocked to rumble and

1220
01:17:43,650 --> 01:17:47,490
Brighty on and YouTube and
whatever is because stored no

1221
01:17:47,490 --> 01:17:51,300
one wants to pay for stuff for
video and you know, for if

1222
01:17:51,300 --> 01:17:54,780
you're if you're serious about
it, if you really care about

1223
01:17:54,780 --> 01:17:57,570
what you're doing what you're
building, and you know, you

1224
01:17:57,570 --> 01:18:01,710
probably just do a podcast.
audio podcast.

1225
01:18:02,520 --> 01:18:05,670
Dave Jones: 30 packed. That's
that's the name of it. They're

1226
01:18:05,670 --> 01:18:06,840
doing a 50 pound

1227
01:18:06,840 --> 01:18:12,360
Adam Curry: that sounds super
gay. 50 Pack 50 pack. I don't

1228
01:18:12,360 --> 01:18:19,890
mean it that way. Fetty packed a
lot of stuff on the pact which

1229
01:18:20,640 --> 01:18:23,070
anti meta maybe have to add to
it.

1230
01:18:23,340 --> 01:18:26,580
Dave Jones: Pac ti Fe D IP a CT?

1231
01:18:30,120 --> 01:18:31,380
Unknown: No, I don't know what

1232
01:18:31,710 --> 01:18:35,610
Dave Jones: that is a TLDR. This
is evidently from inside. This

1233
01:18:35,610 --> 01:18:38,850
evidently from them themselves.
It says meta will only federate

1234
01:18:38,850 --> 01:18:42,150
with select larger instances.
From the beginning. There will

1235
01:18:42,150 --> 01:18:46,260
be contracts that provide for
financial compensation for the

1236
01:18:46,260 --> 01:18:51,960
instance owners. Okay, yeah. And
there's a there's an email. It

1237
01:18:51,960 --> 01:18:55,380
looks like this all originated
from an email from somebody at

1238
01:18:55,380 --> 01:18:57,060
meta. Rebecca who read

1239
01:18:57,750 --> 01:19:00,000
Adam Curry: Rachel. Rachel,
Rachel. Yeah, right. Yeah.

1240
01:19:00,030 --> 01:19:00,750
Rachel. Right.

1241
01:19:01,770 --> 01:19:03,780
Dave Jones: Oh, did you see
that? Did you see? Yeah, that's

1242
01:19:03,780 --> 01:19:04,350
Adam Curry: the one I saw.

1243
01:19:04,920 --> 01:19:08,220
Dave Jones: Okay. Yeah. Thanks
for the email. See, you may have

1244
01:19:08,220 --> 01:19:11,370
heard of p 92. I'm reaching out
because Instagram is interested

1245
01:19:11,370 --> 01:19:14,820
to host a roundtable on June 27.
From 1115 With Mastodon server

1246
01:19:14,820 --> 01:19:17,880
admins to seek feedback and
guidance. This conversation will

1247
01:19:17,880 --> 01:19:20,580
be off the record as the team
may discuss confidential details

1248
01:19:20,580 --> 01:19:21,900
that should not be shared with
others.

1249
01:19:22,560 --> 01:19:25,680
Adam Curry: So they're going to
pay admins. Evidently, they're

1250
01:19:25,680 --> 01:19:27,300
Dave Jones: only going to
federate with with certain

1251
01:19:27,300 --> 01:19:30,300
people and they're going to I'm
assuming they're going to pay

1252
01:19:30,690 --> 01:19:33,570
they're going to try to
compensate these for the traffic

1253
01:19:33,810 --> 01:19:35,640
for the traffic because they're
going to they're just going to

1254
01:19:35,640 --> 01:19:39,660
blitz them with all the federal
the Federation is going to just

1255
01:19:39,960 --> 01:19:45,360
rock their world. That may be
the honestly that may be that

1256
01:19:45,360 --> 01:19:48,090
may be one reason to block them
not for ideological reasons,

1257
01:19:48,090 --> 01:19:48,360
just just

1258
01:19:48,869 --> 01:19:52,349
Adam Curry: for the for the
traffic in the in the bandwidth,

1259
01:19:52,379 --> 01:19:56,159
image storage storage is really
a big thing with Macedon storage

1260
01:19:56,159 --> 01:19:56,669
space.

1261
01:19:57,300 --> 01:19:57,780
Dave Jones: Yeah,

1262
01:19:58,830 --> 01:20:01,020
Adam Curry: that's a big one.
Okay. Whatever.

1263
01:20:02,730 --> 01:20:03,600
Dave Jones: You brought it up.

1264
01:20:03,630 --> 01:20:05,160
Adam Curry: I know I thought
maybe there was something

1265
01:20:05,160 --> 01:20:08,520
exciting, but now I've got
something better to talk about.

1266
01:20:08,520 --> 01:20:09,690
Okay. Yep, please.

1267
01:20:11,099 --> 01:20:16,799
Dave Jones: It's about the
dashboard. No, I thought those

1268
01:20:16,799 --> 01:20:22,109
would be good to have to have
this discussion with Stephen on

1269
01:20:22,109 --> 01:20:28,019
the show, because you know, you,
Steven, you've been around since

1270
01:20:28,019 --> 01:20:31,919
the beginning of this thing. And
so I had this, I had a good long

1271
01:20:31,919 --> 01:20:35,099
conversation the other day. And,
Adam, you've got a heart, you

1272
01:20:35,099 --> 01:20:38,099
got a heart out, I do have a
harder to let me let me know

1273
01:20:38,099 --> 01:20:39,569
when you need to wrap it up. You
have

1274
01:20:39,570 --> 01:20:40,590
Adam Curry: about six minutes.

1275
01:20:42,240 --> 01:20:43,170
Dave Jones: Okay, well,

1276
01:20:43,710 --> 01:20:46,170
Adam Curry: we have to do
booster.

1277
01:20:48,150 --> 01:20:50,730
Dave Jones: So I had this, I had
this conversation me and John

1278
01:20:50,730 --> 01:20:54,780
Spurlock talked him on the
phone, maybe a week or two ago.

1279
01:20:55,470 --> 01:20:57,990
And we were talking about
whether or not the whole concept

1280
01:20:57,990 --> 01:21:00,600
whether or not to include anchor
feeds. You know, we've been

1281
01:21:00,600 --> 01:21:05,370
round and round about that. And
so we had this, this nice long

1282
01:21:05,370 --> 01:21:11,970
conversation, talked all about
it. pros, cons, you know, and

1283
01:21:11,970 --> 01:21:19,290
all that. And so we sort of came
to this, this weird ended up

1284
01:21:19,290 --> 01:21:23,670
really was this idea he was he
was like, Well, you know, what?

1285
01:21:24,300 --> 01:21:30,180
We kept? I kept saying, Well,
I'm not these are podcasts, a

1286
01:21:30,180 --> 01:21:33,090
lot of these things unanchored,
they're not really podcasts, you

1287
01:21:33,090 --> 01:21:35,130
know, and we've been around
this, I don't want to rehash it

1288
01:21:35,130 --> 01:21:39,930
again. But he sort of asked this
question. He's like, what, what

1289
01:21:39,930 --> 01:21:46,110
do you what do you want to be in
the index? And, and I realized

1290
01:21:46,110 --> 01:21:52,710
that. So it really boils down to
this. What I want is for if

1291
01:21:52,710 --> 01:21:57,780
somebody searches for a piece of
content, let's not even call it

1292
01:21:57,780 --> 01:22:01,770
a podcast at this, at this
point. When somebody searches

1293
01:22:01,770 --> 01:22:05,970
the index for a thing, I want
them to be able to find it.

1294
01:22:08,010 --> 01:22:13,110
Okay, the best way I know how to
explain it. And so what that is,

1295
01:22:13,200 --> 01:22:16,860
and the reason I think that that
is important is because there's

1296
01:22:16,860 --> 01:22:22,290
gonna that, that eliminates an
entire all kinds of stuff, if

1297
01:22:22,290 --> 01:22:26,280
you say if you say that, because
just, we could go out right now.

1298
01:22:26,670 --> 01:22:33,030
And we could we could spider the
internet. And we could find 10

1299
01:22:33,030 --> 01:22:38,430
million RSS feeds that have
enclosures in them. But that's

1300
01:22:38,430 --> 01:22:45,600
not, but most of them are not
going to be what we think of as

1301
01:22:45,600 --> 01:22:49,200
a podcast. And I'm trying not to
get too technical with this,

1302
01:22:49,200 --> 01:22:53,220
because this really does boil
down to sort of like the Larry

1303
01:22:53,220 --> 01:22:57,270
Flynt, you know, I don't I can't
define pornography, but I know

1304
01:22:57,270 --> 01:23:02,160
it when I see it. There's a lot
of that in this discussion. But

1305
01:23:02,160 --> 01:23:07,560
if you boil it down to okay, if
somebody searches for it, I want

1306
01:23:07,560 --> 01:23:11,400
to have it so they can find it.
Well, then you can sort of

1307
01:23:11,400 --> 01:23:16,290
reverse engineer that and say,
Okay, well, what is what is

1308
01:23:16,290 --> 01:23:22,200
that? What does that mean? And I
guess I'm talking about what is

1309
01:23:22,200 --> 01:23:26,520
a podcast? Not in a technical
sense, not in a, it's a, it's a

1310
01:23:26,520 --> 01:23:30,330
piece of media in an enclosure
in an RSS feed. I know, we all

1311
01:23:30,330 --> 01:23:34,920
agree on that. I'm really going
one layer above it and saying,

1312
01:23:36,120 --> 01:23:41,250
How do I turn that sort of
desire that if if someone

1313
01:23:41,250 --> 01:23:44,880
searches for it, they can find
it? How do I turn that into,

1314
01:23:45,240 --> 01:23:49,500
into criteria that I can use to
make these sorts of decisions.

1315
01:23:51,270 --> 01:23:55,110
And this is this is absent of
content, I'm not going to care

1316
01:23:55,110 --> 01:23:59,940
about the content. There has to
be something where you can sort

1317
01:23:59,940 --> 01:24:06,360
of take the philosophy of that
idea and convert it into an

1318
01:24:06,360 --> 01:24:09,120
answer of something that you can
take action on.

1319
01:24:09,450 --> 01:24:12,900
Adam Curry: Well, let's go back.
If someone doesn't search for

1320
01:24:12,900 --> 01:24:20,070
it, then it doesn't belong in
the index. Is that what you're

1321
01:24:20,070 --> 01:24:25,290
saying? And what Okay, let me go
back. I still don't understand

1322
01:24:25,290 --> 01:24:30,150
the problem you're trying to
solve other than 5 million is

1323
01:24:30,150 --> 01:24:34,920
bullcrap. Because a 2 million of
them or a million is nothing,

1324
01:24:34,920 --> 01:24:40,620
it's test stuff, it's poop.
Which just I think, if I may, to

1325
01:24:40,620 --> 01:24:44,850
me, it feels a little bit like
my wife or their text messages.

1326
01:24:45,600 --> 01:24:48,900
Like she has to delete them and
clean them out because it

1327
01:24:48,900 --> 01:24:53,700
doesn't feel good. Does that
does that is that is that off

1328
01:24:53,700 --> 01:24:56,670
base just because you know that
there's junk in there and makes

1329
01:24:56,670 --> 01:25:01,860
you feel unclean. I'm being
serious. I'm being serious.

1330
01:25:01,860 --> 01:25:06,720
Dave Jones: And I can tell you
you're, there's no. Okay. Have

1331
01:25:06,720 --> 01:25:09,900
you ever tried to find something
on archive.org?

1332
01:25:12,840 --> 01:25:15,750
Adam Curry: Yes, it's a horrible
experience. It's a horrible

1333
01:25:15,750 --> 01:25:18,780
experience. Yes. Okay. So that's
what we don't want. I'm in total

1334
01:25:18,780 --> 01:25:19,440
agreement.

1335
01:25:19,650 --> 01:25:23,160
Dave Jones: Yes. You cannot find
anything you sent, you end up

1336
01:25:23,160 --> 01:25:25,890
spending four hours digging
through stuff, and you still

1337
01:25:25,890 --> 01:25:28,230
don't find what you need. Right?
The only way you find is by

1338
01:25:28,230 --> 01:25:32,940
googling for it. Correct. And
hoping for a link back to our

1339
01:25:32,940 --> 01:25:36,150
condos. That's what I'm trying
to avoid. I'm trying to avoid

1340
01:25:36,150 --> 01:25:41,550
clogging up. The index with so
much is extraneous.

1341
01:25:42,060 --> 01:25:42,960
Adam Curry: Okay, all right.

1342
01:25:42,989 --> 01:25:44,219
Dave Jones: How about did he
gets buried?

1343
01:25:45,150 --> 01:25:48,360
Adam Curry: Now, is there a way
to query anchor by the way? Can

1344
01:25:48,360 --> 01:25:50,640
you there's no search query from
them as there? Yeah, you

1345
01:25:50,640 --> 01:25:52,050
Dave Jones: can you search
podcast index?

1346
01:25:55,020 --> 01:25:58,020
Adam Curry: Well, that seems
more like a search. And search,

1347
01:25:58,020 --> 01:26:01,020
of course, is massive voodoo,
you know, it's very, very

1348
01:26:01,020 --> 01:26:06,960
complicated. You can say, well,
the concept of search, I don't

1349
01:26:06,960 --> 01:26:10,050
find it. Because we've basically
degra Gate a whole bunch of

1350
01:26:10,050 --> 01:26:14,610
junk. And then well, I'm really
looking for, you know, I want to

1351
01:26:14,610 --> 01:26:18,450
look under the trash pile. Yeah,
that still means you have a lot

1352
01:26:18,450 --> 01:26:22,170
of junk in the database. And I
have a feeling that just that

1353
01:26:22,230 --> 01:26:26,640
unclean because I feel it too. I
do is like, our database is

1354
01:26:26,640 --> 01:26:30,420
beautiful. I don't want no crap
in there. That's just nothing.

1355
01:26:30,420 --> 01:26:35,460
It's just test stuff. But the
problem is, one man's junk is

1356
01:26:35,460 --> 01:26:36,600
another man's treasure.

1357
01:26:38,550 --> 01:26:40,860
Dave Jones: But if you have so
much junk, you can't find the

1358
01:26:40,860 --> 01:26:44,700
junk or the treasure. You know,
that's, that's really the issue.

1359
01:26:44,910 --> 01:26:47,430
And it like, it isn't

1360
01:26:47,460 --> 01:26:50,100
Adam Curry: isn't search one of
the hardest things in the world

1361
01:26:50,100 --> 01:26:53,250
to do. I mean, isn't that
exactly the reason why Google?

1362
01:26:55,710 --> 01:27:01,050
Okay, well, it's okay. So Google
got there by ranking by inbound

1363
01:27:01,050 --> 01:27:05,250
links, you know, so if there's a
way I mean, we don't really have

1364
01:27:05,250 --> 01:27:09,210
the data. I mean, basically,
Google has all the junk, they

1365
01:27:09,210 --> 01:27:12,900
still they're still able to
surface stuff. And of course,

1366
01:27:12,900 --> 01:27:16,470
they have their own their own
agenda, what they surface and

1367
01:27:16,470 --> 01:27:19,890
why they surface it. But that's
like your your Panda, you know,

1368
01:27:19,890 --> 01:27:24,330
whatever the latest Google
algorithm is that's, it's more

1369
01:27:24,330 --> 01:27:27,600
of a search problem than a
excluding anchor problem.

1370
01:27:29,130 --> 01:27:32,370
Dave Jones: Yeah, I'm kind of
moved. Yeah. And I'm kind of

1371
01:27:32,370 --> 01:27:35,310
moving beyond the anchor, like,
I don't so much care about

1372
01:27:35,579 --> 01:27:38,069
Adam Curry: search. And while
search is a real problem.

1373
01:27:39,360 --> 01:27:42,120
Dave Jones: Yeah. And so I'm
thinking here we could we could

1374
01:27:42,120 --> 01:27:43,230
bypass this whole we

1375
01:27:43,230 --> 01:27:48,060
Adam Curry: have a guy I did we
have a guy by the way? Dino?

1376
01:27:48,990 --> 01:27:49,500
Dino,

1377
01:27:50,010 --> 01:27:52,050
Dave Jones: sir. Oh, he's being
a.io. Guy. Right.

1378
01:27:52,080 --> 01:27:55,380
Adam Curry: Yeah. So Dino, he
has a company and what he does

1379
01:27:55,380 --> 01:27:59,040
is he literally goes into
companies gets their millions of

1380
01:27:59,040 --> 01:28:02,070
documents and crap and whatever
and makes them findable.

1381
01:28:03,390 --> 01:28:06,060
Dave Jones: Does Dino's company
do things for free? Yes.

1382
01:28:06,090 --> 01:28:08,220
Adam Curry: He didn't bring a
data. Oh, he did it for free?

1383
01:28:08,520 --> 01:28:12,720
No. In fact, you know, he, he
was about to lose a client.

1384
01:28:13,500 --> 01:28:17,430
Because he could not provide
transcripts for phone calls.

1385
01:28:18,120 --> 01:28:22,980
Like, dude, stop right away. You
got to talk to Nathan. Because

1386
01:28:23,100 --> 01:28:30,480
he's doing this superfast.
transcript.fm Yeah. And so you

1387
01:28:30,480 --> 01:28:33,690
got to talk to him. And so they
made a connection. He's like, he

1388
01:28:33,720 --> 01:28:36,120
hit me back said hey, man,
thanks this, this may save a

1389
01:28:36,120 --> 01:28:39,360
whole client I was about to
lose. So, you know, I think it

1390
01:28:39,360 --> 01:28:42,420
would be more than happy to help
us figure this out. It's he has

1391
01:28:42,450 --> 01:28:47,220
he has skills. Now granted no
agenda, which is what is

1392
01:28:47,250 --> 01:28:51,210
connected to being a.io. We have
the transcripts, we have every

1393
01:28:51,210 --> 01:28:53,760
single article, we had the
freedom controller basically,

1394
01:28:54,480 --> 01:28:59,790
output everything in XML was
OPML. No, but he tied into the

1395
01:28:59,790 --> 01:29:04,680
image database, no agenda Art
Generator. Now he's, he's, he's

1396
01:29:04,860 --> 01:29:09,090
connecting with dread for the
and hyper capture for the

1397
01:29:09,120 --> 01:29:14,550
chapters. So he knows what to
do. He knows what, what, what he

1398
01:29:14,550 --> 01:29:18,420
needs to get in order to make
something and we'll ask him,

1399
01:29:18,420 --> 01:29:20,490
well just ask him but what he
would do, I'm sure he would be

1400
01:29:20,490 --> 01:29:24,090
happy to help us out. Why not?
We'll give him a split. Okay.

1401
01:29:26,640 --> 01:29:27,540
Dave Jones: Seven splits.

1402
01:29:28,200 --> 01:29:30,540
Adam Curry: Next problem. How do
we do all these splits in our

1403
01:29:30,540 --> 01:29:31,350
value block?

1404
01:29:31,920 --> 01:29:34,050
Dave Jones: Mitch is sweating
bullets over there every time we

1405
01:29:34,050 --> 01:29:34,860
add a new split.

1406
01:29:35,490 --> 01:29:37,710
Adam Curry: But cotton gin makes
a good point. He says it's not

1407
01:29:37,710 --> 01:29:41,730
it's not for free, its value its
value. Now. He'll get the value

1408
01:29:41,730 --> 01:29:44,580
back for sure. I can say that.

1409
01:29:45,420 --> 01:29:51,330
Dave Jones: I mean, our our. We
have a way to here's a okay.

1410
01:29:51,330 --> 01:29:56,400
This leads into a plea that I
have real quick that I would

1411
01:29:56,400 --> 01:30:02,250
really implore all of the The
podcast hosting companies to as

1412
01:30:02,250 --> 01:30:06,510
fast as possible as quickly as
possible. Implement the pod roll

1413
01:30:06,510 --> 01:30:07,110
tag.

1414
01:30:07,230 --> 01:30:09,540
Adam Curry: That would help a
lot. There you go. There's,

1415
01:30:09,840 --> 01:30:15,390
boom, we were there. That's our
signal. Right on. I never

1416
01:30:15,390 --> 01:30:18,840
thought I would agree with
Cridland on this one. Yes, we

1417
01:30:18,840 --> 01:30:22,350
need signal for this for sure.
There you go. That's the answer.

1418
01:30:22,710 --> 01:30:25,830
Or at least it's what it's an
answer. It's one of the answers

1419
01:30:25,830 --> 01:30:27,120
we need. And I

1420
01:30:27,120 --> 01:30:30,180
Dave Jones: don't even care if
it's I don't even care if it's

1421
01:30:30,180 --> 01:30:32,880
user curated at the at the
moment. I mean, like it's not

1422
01:30:32,880 --> 01:30:35,820
even going to be visible in the
feed. If they just just start

1423
01:30:35,820 --> 01:30:38,190
throwing some pod rolls in
there. I don't care what it is.

1424
01:30:38,340 --> 01:30:44,640
Just give us some signal about
what peep what is popular on

1425
01:30:44,640 --> 01:30:49,410
your platform. Yes, we can make
sure that when people search for

1426
01:30:49,410 --> 01:30:50,520
things they can find it

1427
01:30:50,580 --> 01:30:54,360
Adam Curry: great idea. That's
the way to go. That's a great

1428
01:30:54,360 --> 01:30:59,640
idea. Totally sweet. Wow. Well
we solved it Oh, what a great

1429
01:30:59,640 --> 01:31:02,040
board meeting I feel so good
we've done so much you've

1430
01:31:02,040 --> 01:31:03,300
accomplished things

1431
01:31:03,900 --> 01:31:05,010
Unknown: we bore everybody to
death

1432
01:31:07,110 --> 01:31:08,700
Adam Curry: I don't think so. I
think people kind of thought

1433
01:31:08,700 --> 01:31:12,180
that was compelling especially
with my with my delete button.

1434
01:31:13,800 --> 01:31:15,510
Dave Jones: You your play by
play brought really brought him

1435
01:31:15,510 --> 01:31:16,920
into it. Yeah. Now Steven, are

1436
01:31:16,920 --> 01:31:17,700
Adam Curry: you still awake?

1437
01:31:18,209 --> 01:31:19,349
Steven Crader: If I'm sitting
okay.

1438
01:31:21,900 --> 01:31:25,020
Adam Curry: So you got to
document all this so you know be

1439
01:31:25,020 --> 01:31:25,860
ready for when

1440
01:31:25,890 --> 01:31:26,880
Dave Jones: you're doing the
minutes right

1441
01:31:27,420 --> 01:31:29,700
Steven Crader: for meeting
transcripts All right.

1442
01:31:31,230 --> 01:31:34,410
Dave Jones: Bingo. Let me think
we need somebody we that's

1443
01:31:34,410 --> 01:31:37,110
that's one thing we need that
needs to be part of

1444
01:31:37,110 --> 01:31:41,820
transcript.fm or transcript
later you can you can convert

1445
01:31:42,240 --> 01:31:45,090
yeah that needs to be transcript
later. I want to I want to I

1446
01:31:45,090 --> 01:31:47,700
want to minutes mode where I can
pump in the transcript for the

1447
01:31:47,700 --> 01:31:50,400
board meeting it spits out some
minutes that we can give to the

1448
01:31:50,520 --> 01:31:51,900
to the SEC

1449
01:31:52,110 --> 01:31:53,100
Adam Curry: to the SEC yeah

1450
01:31:55,860 --> 01:31:56,160
Dave Jones: all right,

1451
01:31:56,160 --> 01:31:58,020
Adam Curry: let's thank a couple
people people have been boosting

1452
01:31:58,020 --> 01:32:03,360
like crazy yeah, this has all
been coming in live 2222 from

1453
01:32:03,360 --> 01:32:06,000
Jean being someone providing
search for the index will be a

1454
01:32:06,000 --> 01:32:08,490
great showcase to use as a
demonstration to clients

1455
01:32:08,490 --> 01:32:11,100
Exactly. I think sir D
nonnamous. I'm not sure what he

1456
01:32:11,100 --> 01:32:14,580
is on podcast index on social
but maybe just Dean. I think

1457
01:32:14,580 --> 01:32:20,040
it's a d a m I think it's a
great idea. Cotton Gin 7637 says

1458
01:32:20,040 --> 01:32:24,990
go podcast. Dred Scott boosting
while listening live in our

1459
01:32:24,990 --> 01:32:32,490
local amateur radio Field Day
setup. 173 88 So 1073 88 That is

1460
01:32:32,490 --> 01:32:38,250
an official baller. Thank you
James Cridland. He got us with

1461
01:32:38,250 --> 01:32:45,210
new new baller stubs. Yes,
tomorrow is the official field

1462
01:32:45,210 --> 01:32:48,870
day for the hams. I will be
we're in Austin with staying

1463
01:32:48,870 --> 01:32:52,320
overnight but when I come home
tomorrow I will set up it's all

1464
01:32:52,320 --> 01:32:56,400
weekend. For Field Day. This is
when hams go out with their

1465
01:32:56,400 --> 01:32:59,700
battery rig and their portable
antenna and make some contacts

1466
01:32:59,700 --> 01:33:05,490
work some people we call it 73
Is their keto five Alpha Charlie

1467
01:33:05,490 --> 01:33:07,680
Charlie looking forward to
what's your call in the world

1468
01:33:07,680 --> 01:33:11,850
Dr. I didn't I don't know what
drugs callsign is. We have more

1469
01:33:11,850 --> 01:33:20,970
Annex A Tom tomsky The GPT four
go podcast index cleaning I

1470
01:33:20,970 --> 01:33:25,740
guess chat GPT maybe we can have
them search it interest. Not a

1471
01:33:25,740 --> 01:33:32,940
bad idea by the way. Yeah, I
could see it. I can I can see a

1472
01:33:32,940 --> 01:33:37,890
large language model helping us
find stuff. Yeah, commenter

1473
01:33:37,890 --> 01:33:45,600
blogger Steven crater 30,000
SATs. He says hey, what? Yeah,

1474
01:33:45,810 --> 01:33:49,710
yeah, it seemed crazy. He wasn't
listening to us he's busy

1475
01:33:49,710 --> 01:33:53,670
boosting the during the song he
says thanks to the wavelength.

1476
01:33:53,670 --> 01:33:59,910
randomizer I think we got to
lazise then we have Captain

1477
01:33:59,910 --> 01:34:04,710
egghead. 1810 Thank you very
much. And he has little scissors

1478
01:34:04,710 --> 01:34:09,300
and running with scissors.
Emojis. We got Martin 1000 SATs

1479
01:34:09,300 --> 01:34:12,450
pod friend doesn't do it live
yet now that I'm fun employed. I

1480
01:34:12,450 --> 01:34:15,570
should have time to implement it
soon. Yes. If you want to a kick

1481
01:34:15,570 --> 01:34:20,430
ass developer or manager because
that's the he wears a suit these

1482
01:34:20,430 --> 01:34:25,320
days. Martin from pod friend is
definitely your guy. I love that

1483
01:34:25,320 --> 01:34:28,890
they give in Denmark to give
people garden leave.

1484
01:34:30,630 --> 01:34:31,980
Dave Jones: That sounds
fantastic.

1485
01:34:33,210 --> 01:34:36,330
Adam Curry: I'd like a garden
leave. Yeah, it's basically this

1486
01:34:36,330 --> 01:34:37,020
or money.

1487
01:34:38,280 --> 01:34:40,800
Dave Jones: Universal Basic
Income. Yeah, it's socialism.

1488
01:34:40,860 --> 01:34:41,130
Yeah.

1489
01:34:41,490 --> 01:34:45,630
Adam Curry: Denmark, happiest
country. 10,000 SATs for Mitch

1490
01:34:45,630 --> 01:34:49,020
de great to hear Stephen on the
show. Transcript. dater makes it

1491
01:34:49,020 --> 01:34:52,320
easy for us to support all the
transcript types in podcasting.

1492
01:34:52,320 --> 01:34:55,470
Thank you for creating, creating
it. And I'm sorry I introduced

1493
01:34:55,470 --> 01:35:02,910
you to JavaScript. See Gene been
with another short row of ducks

1494
01:35:02,940 --> 01:35:06,900
and he says here's an image I
found of the ancestry merge

1495
01:35:06,930 --> 01:35:11,460
duplicates. Let me just see what
that is. Oh, is that in the oh,

1496
01:35:11,460 --> 01:35:15,690
he has an interface. Yeah, it's
ancestry.com it shows how you

1497
01:35:15,690 --> 01:35:18,510
merge some of these trees
together.

1498
01:35:19,140 --> 01:35:21,630
Dave Jones: Oh, can you send
that to me? Can you can you post

1499
01:35:21,630 --> 01:35:22,020
it to me?

1500
01:35:22,470 --> 01:35:26,490
Adam Curry: Yeah, I mean yeah,
yes. Do that right now so I

1501
01:35:26,490 --> 01:35:29,430
don't think they call a second.
That's actually pretty pretty

1502
01:35:29,430 --> 01:35:36,060
cool interface. Thank you, Jean
be 66,666 from lavish, ugly as

1503
01:35:36,060 --> 01:35:40,320
sin boost IP. No kidding.
Gotcha. Then we got a nice row

1504
01:35:40,320 --> 01:35:46,590
of ducks from Buber. 22,222 also
can confirm there are definitely

1505
01:35:46,590 --> 01:35:49,170
students out there who know how
to build theater sets with

1506
01:35:49,170 --> 01:35:55,140
lumber and tools. How do I know
I teach them how to go nice. I'm

1507
01:35:55,140 --> 01:36:00,180
happy to hear that. Captain
Egghead with 1010 We got another

1508
01:36:00,180 --> 01:36:05,160
from blueberry 33,333 He says
did a value time split music pre

1509
01:36:05,160 --> 01:36:12,270
show last week and it works 169%
would do again. I'm working a

1510
01:36:12,270 --> 01:36:14,790
country Festival this weekend
had been telling lots of folks

1511
01:36:14,790 --> 01:36:20,490
about this magic beautiful 100
freakin percent 5000 SATs from

1512
01:36:20,520 --> 01:36:24,750
EA podcasts are speaking truth
RSS is Freedom Podcasting. 2.0

1513
01:36:24,750 --> 01:36:28,530
is democratization of content
ownership and monetization. Go

1514
01:36:28,530 --> 01:36:34,110
podcasting. We got Macintosh was
2100 SATs I'm a registered

1515
01:36:34,110 --> 01:36:37,530
Independent Kennedy might be the
first democratic vote for

1516
01:36:37,530 --> 01:36:42,960
Macintosh generating generation
Bitcoin podcast. 2222 from

1517
01:36:42,960 --> 01:36:49,590
anonymous with the big moves.
Oh, absurd observations. What is

1518
01:36:49,590 --> 01:36:58,050
going on here? 444,444 sides
that says appreciate everything

1519
01:36:58,050 --> 01:37:01,800
you both are doing it gives
podcast producers hope. Keep

1520
01:37:01,800 --> 01:37:09,210
going 100% Sincerely, my fire
dame of the absurd aka

1521
01:37:09,240 --> 01:37:13,200
subservient and observed
observations. I believe she is

1522
01:37:13,230 --> 01:37:17,760
Mr. Robot's better half. Oh,
thank you. Nice. Thank you, sir.

1523
01:37:17,760 --> 01:37:25,560
Yeah, yes, we have 13,333 from
CMC sun, CMC sun. Thank you for

1524
01:37:25,560 --> 01:37:30,270
all you do. Thank you. Alan is
like boots. Yeah, it's this has

1525
01:37:30,270 --> 01:37:34,890
been good. 2121 two, so 21,212
Nice little Palindrome there

1526
01:37:34,890 --> 01:37:38,340
Allen says, you can now boost by
simply paying a single lightning

1527
01:37:38,340 --> 01:37:42,570
invoice on contracts dot app
slash support for all the lazy

1528
01:37:42,570 --> 01:37:45,870
ones that still don't use a
modern pop up podcast app. Whoa.

1529
01:37:46,440 --> 01:37:48,540
Dave Jones: Oh, let

1530
01:37:48,540 --> 01:37:49,470
Adam Curry: me check that out.

1531
01:37:50,190 --> 01:37:53,280
Dave Jones: You can just launch
an invoice and pay and it comes

1532
01:37:53,280 --> 01:37:57,780
through as a boost. That's
that's actually pretty rad.

1533
01:37:57,900 --> 01:37:58,770
That's bad

1534
01:37:58,770 --> 01:38:03,000
Adam Curry: as support your
favorite podcast. Okay, there we

1535
01:38:03,000 --> 01:38:07,260
are right, top left. All right,
and then share this page

1536
01:38:07,290 --> 01:38:11,700
episodes. And then you can see
what can you do support the show

1537
01:38:11,700 --> 01:38:15,480
with a cup of coffee with a beer
with a custom amount? Well,

1538
01:38:15,480 --> 01:38:15,780
that's,

1539
01:38:15,960 --> 01:38:18,570
Dave Jones: that's this is
exactly what this was your

1540
01:38:18,570 --> 01:38:21,570
initial idea. Last week, we were
talking about possible D

1541
01:38:21,570 --> 01:38:27,030
platforming of the for V. Yes,
because you throw this into your

1542
01:38:27,030 --> 01:38:30,450
funding tag, all of a sudden, it
pops up in a web view and you

1543
01:38:30,450 --> 01:38:30,960
boom.

1544
01:38:31,290 --> 01:38:33,960
Adam Curry: Wow, this is so
cool. Oh, I'm gonna just I'm

1545
01:38:33,960 --> 01:38:37,110
gonna just log into my Alby Of
course, we need to use Alby.

1546
01:38:37,980 --> 01:38:39,270
Dave Jones: That's all right.
Yeah,

1547
01:38:39,300 --> 01:38:40,020
Adam Curry: I mean, it's not bad

1548
01:38:40,050 --> 01:38:42,240
Dave Jones: but it's but it's a
lightning invoice. You could pay

1549
01:38:42,240 --> 01:38:44,670
for it. You could pay it any
with any app right? I mean,

1550
01:38:44,670 --> 01:38:44,910
like,

1551
01:38:45,300 --> 01:38:47,820
Adam Curry: I don't know. Let's
find out whenever it's telling

1552
01:38:47,820 --> 01:38:51,840
me to log in. So let me see a
cup of coffee. Supported My name

1553
01:38:51,840 --> 01:38:57,750
is brown orca that bakes nothing
but since message for the blah,

1554
01:38:57,990 --> 01:39:01,230
create lightning invoice. Let me
see what it does. If it goes

1555
01:39:01,230 --> 01:39:03,750
straight through to lb or not,
you get a bolt. Oh, no. Yeah,

1556
01:39:03,750 --> 01:39:08,430
you got it. You get a lightning
invoice. Holy crap. Yeah, this

1557
01:39:08,430 --> 01:39:09,960
is smart. This

1558
01:39:10,230 --> 01:39:12,840
Dave Jones: smart glide cast
Matic. You could hit the funding

1559
01:39:12,840 --> 01:39:15,540
tag pop this up the invoice.
Bob's your uncle.

1560
01:39:16,590 --> 01:39:21,180
Adam Curry: My uncle's name is
Don Dodge. All right, I just I

1561
01:39:21,180 --> 01:39:25,830
just got it here. Let's see. I'm
doing it with Breeze approved

1562
01:39:25,830 --> 01:39:30,090
4200 SATs which is a cup of
coffee. Wow. So it should come

1563
01:39:30,090 --> 01:39:32,550
through Georgia come through on
helipad now

1564
01:39:33,150 --> 01:39:34,710
Dave Jones: be boosted us you
boosted Russia.

1565
01:39:35,100 --> 01:39:38,460
Adam Curry: I did. Oh, it's
processing all these different

1566
01:39:39,180 --> 01:39:42,390
it's Oh, I got confetti. Very
nice.

1567
01:39:42,480 --> 01:39:45,390
Dave Jones: Do we did all the
splits is that is the splits.

1568
01:39:46,320 --> 01:39:48,240
Adam Curry: Let me see. It says
booster grand for podcasting.

1569
01:39:48,240 --> 01:39:57,480
2.0 and I don't know if okay, I
heard it. Holy crap. It came

1570
01:39:57,480 --> 01:39:58,290
through Yeah.

1571
01:39:59,039 --> 01:40:02,879
Dave Jones: Wow. This is sort of
like, this is sort of like the

1572
01:40:02,879 --> 01:40:03,599
split kit.

1573
01:40:03,930 --> 01:40:05,700
Adam Curry: Yeah, I wonder where
the splits are being made

1574
01:40:05,700 --> 01:40:10,350
because the split don't think
the splits are being done in. It

1575
01:40:10,350 --> 01:40:13,530
must be like, just like the
splits are being done somewhere.

1576
01:40:13,530 --> 01:40:17,670
I hope somewhere, I guess. Yeah,
they must be because, yeah.

1577
01:40:19,590 --> 01:40:23,370
Dave Jones: Amen, man. So we
have a fallback didn't really

1578
01:40:23,940 --> 01:40:25,830
get the split kit or the
conscious.

1579
01:40:27,780 --> 01:40:31,740
Adam Curry: This is very cool.
This is very cool. Okay. Love

1580
01:40:31,740 --> 01:40:38,220
that. Thank you very much. Nice.
Now we have CMS son again with

1581
01:40:38,220 --> 01:40:42,690
the 1111 need to put some more
SATs on this. Yes, you do. See

1582
01:40:42,690 --> 01:40:46,500
dubs one on one. A one live item
needs a social interact tag, so

1583
01:40:46,500 --> 01:40:51,510
boost bot can put its post as
replies to it. Oh, now there's

1584
01:40:51,510 --> 01:40:56,940
an idea. The live item needs a
social interact tag so the boost

1585
01:40:56,940 --> 01:41:02,370
bot can put his posts as replies
to it. Do we understand that?

1586
01:41:03,270 --> 01:41:07,200
Dave Jones: I don't I can't tell
you Steven. Can you translate it

1587
01:41:07,200 --> 01:41:10,320
Steven Crader: sounds like if
there's a mastodon social

1588
01:41:10,320 --> 01:41:14,700
lightener. Right. And they'll
post the blue spot messages in

1589
01:41:14,850 --> 01:41:18,720
cy to it. Yeah. and master them.

1590
01:41:20,070 --> 01:41:22,500
Adam Curry: People think this is
like a donation segment. This is

1591
01:41:22,500 --> 01:41:26,550
actually a strategy session.
Yeah, this is the round. This is

1592
01:41:26,550 --> 01:41:30,870
what this lightning round.
Exactly. Good idea. C Dubs and C

1593
01:41:30,870 --> 01:41:36,840
Dubs. We're sending that from
the index. CMC sound again 3333

1594
01:41:36,840 --> 01:41:39,060
pod verse still crashing on me
sometimes but it's working

1595
01:41:39,060 --> 01:41:41,820
amazingly well since the last
Android update. Absolutely.

1596
01:41:41,820 --> 01:41:50,940
That's what happens. Also go
podcasting. And then we have let

1597
01:41:50,940 --> 01:41:56,040
me see Eric P. P. 33,333. No
note another gene been with a

1598
01:41:56,040 --> 01:41:58,110
short row of ducks. He told us
about the Golden Book of

1599
01:41:58,110 --> 01:42:01,650
chemistry. You can find it on
the Wikipedia. Pfeiffer with

1600
01:42:01,650 --> 01:42:05,370
4444 He says he's in the board
room podcast index is where it

1601
01:42:05,370 --> 01:42:09,060
came from hard hat with 10101
Thank you very much. And now the

1602
01:42:09,060 --> 01:42:12,630
3000 from Martin boosting for
the boost boys Thank you Martin

1603
01:42:12,630 --> 01:42:16,470
and of boosting for world peace.
But 3000 Yes, we should all be

1604
01:42:16,470 --> 01:42:22,740
boosting for world peace. Let me
see we have we're in our two

1605
01:42:22,740 --> 01:42:26,190
hours ago we got a test from
Jade centipede that probably is

1606
01:42:26,190 --> 01:42:29,070
coming from contracts. Yep.
Where they're just making up

1607
01:42:29,070 --> 01:42:30,870
names. Beautiful.

1608
01:42:31,950 --> 01:42:35,100
Dave Jones: Steven Bay's in the
house he's throwing split kit

1609
01:42:35,100 --> 01:42:35,520
links oh

1610
01:42:36,810 --> 01:42:39,270
Adam Curry: wait a minute. Let
me get in on this action split

1611
01:42:39,270 --> 01:42:41,730
kit links we might as well do
that while we're at it let me

1612
01:42:41,730 --> 01:42:45,480
check out and check his a the
pod father when all sudden

1613
01:42:45,480 --> 01:42:49,590
there's there's my if you look
click on that link and his link

1614
01:42:49,590 --> 01:42:53,610
I pop up and then I hit the
boost. I don't know if it's

1615
01:42:53,610 --> 01:42:53,940
doing

1616
01:42:54,360 --> 01:42:57,720
Dave Jones: this you know, my
father has no agenda. No jet

1617
01:42:57,720 --> 01:42:58,410
boost.

1618
01:42:59,010 --> 01:43:00,180
Steven Crader: Because you're
the current speaker.

1619
01:43:01,170 --> 01:43:04,800
Adam Curry: Oh, conference,
right. Oh, and it just switched

1620
01:43:04,800 --> 01:43:05,880
today. Which to me

1621
01:43:11,010 --> 01:43:11,820
Unknown: in my mind,

1622
01:43:13,740 --> 01:43:16,980
Dave Jones: cool. How in the
world is this? What

1623
01:43:18,930 --> 01:43:21,270
Adam Curry: you do, but when I
boost Huckle I'm not getting any

1624
01:43:21,270 --> 01:43:27,150
money back again. Oh, she did I
just get a boost with money just

1625
01:43:27,150 --> 01:43:30,930
by saying that. Oh, is that I'm
just Okay, stop. You're making

1626
01:43:30,930 --> 01:43:35,490
you blow my head up. What is
what is this crazy man this is

1627
01:43:35,520 --> 01:43:37,560
crazy stuff is

1628
01:43:37,590 --> 01:43:40,410
Dave Jones: even What? What?
What the hell is

1629
01:43:43,080 --> 01:43:44,880
Adam Curry: this like badass
man?

1630
01:43:45,630 --> 01:43:48,600
Dave Jones: This is sorcery.
Yes, this is complete sorcery.

1631
01:43:48,600 --> 01:43:49,260
Now, I wonder

1632
01:43:49,260 --> 01:43:51,090
Adam Curry: I wonder if it's
switch. I mean, it can't be

1633
01:43:51,090 --> 01:43:53,640
switching. He has to be doing
that right? I mean,

1634
01:43:54,900 --> 01:43:57,090
Dave Jones: the bus age creator,
Freedom driller maintainer the

1635
01:43:57,090 --> 01:44:04,500
index lover of wisdom hates
roosters in Miami all true all

1636
01:44:04,500 --> 01:44:04,770
true.

1637
01:44:05,249 --> 01:44:07,169
Adam Curry: I'm here host of no
agenda. Wait.

1638
01:44:07,500 --> 01:44:09,300
Dave Jones: had a cameo on Swamp
things

1639
01:44:10,770 --> 01:44:14,430
Adam Curry: boosting for Swamp
Thing. Wow. Okay, everyone's

1640
01:44:14,430 --> 01:44:16,860
just blown our minds here with
all this stuff that you're

1641
01:44:16,860 --> 01:44:19,320
putting together is so
beautiful. Okay, so

1642
01:44:19,320 --> 01:44:21,840
Dave Jones: this goes through
LBC has to be logged into lb to

1643
01:44:23,190 --> 01:44:25,980
Adam Curry: I am logged into
Aldi I'm not I'm not like the

1644
01:44:25,980 --> 01:44:28,410
devil but I don't know if the
booths are good Don says

1645
01:44:28,410 --> 01:44:32,220
blockchain I'm not getting any
I'm not getting a feedback.

1646
01:44:33,240 --> 01:44:36,960
Maybe you have to log Oh login
now there we go. Oh yeah. Okay,

1647
01:44:36,960 --> 01:44:40,080
so log in obviously this is too
crazy. Let me see if I can

1648
01:44:40,440 --> 01:44:44,970
authorize yes course. All right.
Now let me see if I boost. Oh,

1649
01:44:44,970 --> 01:44:52,650
not pops up the note. Okay.
Blah. And let's send send 1000

1650
01:44:52,650 --> 01:44:59,640
set this is this is so cool. And
I got confetti. All right. So

1651
01:44:59,640 --> 01:45:03,210
that's it. Come through our mind
node then I guess I guess I

1652
01:45:03,210 --> 01:45:04,230
don't know where it comes
through.

1653
01:45:04,710 --> 01:45:08,310
Dave Jones: Okay. Okay, thanks
Steven for posting that so

1654
01:45:08,310 --> 01:45:09,360
that's the exact

1655
01:45:12,780 --> 01:45:16,380
Steven Crader: link to the back
end the other day

1656
01:45:16,649 --> 01:45:20,129
Dave Jones: this is a miss this
mess completely missed this post

1657
01:45:20,549 --> 01:45:22,529
Adam Curry: well I saw the post
but I didn't know was supposed

1658
01:45:22,529 --> 01:45:26,789
to do but now we know this is
okay. Between contracts and the

1659
01:45:26,789 --> 01:45:29,849
split kit we are rockin

1660
01:45:30,479 --> 01:45:33,239
Dave Jones: that we this is full
fallback territory is what this

1661
01:45:33,239 --> 01:45:34,109
is. I mean like,

1662
01:45:34,260 --> 01:45:37,080
Adam Curry: but this thing is
perfect for the and I don't know

1663
01:45:37,110 --> 01:45:39,810
how the splits are set up but
this thing is perfect for the

1664
01:45:40,020 --> 01:45:44,520
Bitcoin Amsterdam. Oh, yeah,
there's four people on the stage

1665
01:45:44,520 --> 01:45:45,930
have four pictures.

1666
01:45:46,350 --> 01:45:49,230
Dave Jones: But Steve but Steven
B, are you are you clicking

1667
01:45:49,230 --> 01:45:50,250
something that's changing?

1668
01:45:50,699 --> 01:45:54,509
Adam Curry: He must make he must
wood. Okay. No, he must be

1669
01:45:54,509 --> 01:45:55,379
clicking something.

1670
01:45:55,919 --> 01:45:59,009
Dave Jones: I mean, if you're if
there's live transcription going

1671
01:45:59,009 --> 01:46:00,569
on this flipping this now
that'll

1672
01:46:00,600 --> 01:46:05,370
Adam Curry: then denied that I'm
just gonna I'm gonna quit I'm

1673
01:46:05,370 --> 01:46:09,870
just gonna quit. Why don't you
take us through the other boosts

1674
01:46:10,350 --> 01:46:14,460
that we've received and, and pay
pals, if any, and let us know

1675
01:46:14,460 --> 01:46:15,270
what's happening.

1676
01:46:15,540 --> 01:46:17,580
Dave Jones: I've got to turn off
the split kick because it's

1677
01:46:17,580 --> 01:46:17,970
gonna be

1678
01:46:19,590 --> 01:46:21,300
Adam Curry: crazy. It's so good.

1679
01:46:21,510 --> 01:46:25,260
Dave Jones: The alpha waves go.
Marco Arment $500

1680
01:46:25,289 --> 01:46:31,229
Adam Curry: Now hold on a sec.
Oh, wow. Bleh on am Paula. Thank

1681
01:46:31,229 --> 01:46:35,009
you, Marco. Thank you. Beautiful
Man. That is great. Great

1682
01:46:35,009 --> 01:46:36,689
support there really appreciate
it.

1683
01:46:36,990 --> 01:46:39,240
Dave Jones: Shot him an email
this morning about sending some

1684
01:46:39,240 --> 01:46:44,370
stuff to him just waiting to
hear back. Buzzsprout Tom and

1685
01:46:44,370 --> 01:46:47,340
Kevin and the rest of the crew
there $500 Bala

1686
01:46:49,650 --> 01:46:53,880
Adam Curry: bless blades on
Ambala. Thank you. This was 10

1687
01:46:53,880 --> 01:46:56,310
Just when we really needed to
you know, we got that big

1688
01:46:56,310 --> 01:46:59,670
database going. Oh, this is
really helping. Thank you so

1689
01:46:59,670 --> 01:47:00,150
much.

1690
01:47:01,650 --> 01:47:06,120
Dave Jones: The, to answer your
question, James Cridland. The

1691
01:47:06,120 --> 01:47:09,240
reason I don't spend we don't
spend more time on the donations

1692
01:47:09,240 --> 01:47:12,060
through PayPal is because nobody
ever writes us any notes.

1693
01:47:12,180 --> 01:47:15,870
Adam Curry: guess right. Yeah.
Right. Yeah. They just they just

1694
01:47:15,900 --> 01:47:19,770
don't dump cash. Cash don't know
what

1695
01:47:19,770 --> 01:47:23,490
Dave Jones: to say. Yes. Thank
you. Well, obviously, yeah.

1696
01:47:23,520 --> 01:47:27,720
Lindsey Jarrett. Not sure who
Lindsey is. But Lindsey he or

1697
01:47:27,720 --> 01:47:32,850
she sent $50 and that there is a
there this one has a donation

1698
01:47:32,850 --> 01:47:37,260
message. Oh, good. The donation
message is donation.

1699
01:47:38,490 --> 01:47:41,070
Adam Curry: Well done. Yes.
Thank you very much.

1700
01:47:41,250 --> 01:47:43,500
Dave Jones: Thank you, Lindsay.
Appreciate that. Don't know who

1701
01:47:43,500 --> 01:47:44,100
you are. But

1702
01:47:44,550 --> 01:47:46,410
Adam Curry: we appreciate you
appreciate it. Yeah.

1703
01:47:47,820 --> 01:47:51,000
Dave Jones: Got a right in the
under the wire skin of the teeth

1704
01:47:51,000 --> 01:47:55,680
got a new media show donation
from Todd for $50. And he's

1705
01:47:55,680 --> 01:47:57,660
dead. Todd says go podcasting.

1706
01:47:57,870 --> 01:48:03,150
Adam Curry: Okay, thank you very
much. Give them a little color

1707
01:48:03,150 --> 01:48:04,860
there just because it's fun to
play.

1708
01:48:05,370 --> 01:48:07,500
Dave Jones: And he just signed
this Todd instead of Todd and

1709
01:48:07,500 --> 01:48:09,450
Rob So I'm guessing that means
they're still mad at each other.

1710
01:48:09,450 --> 01:48:12,540
Yeah, I think so. Thanks. So,
it's gonna be it's gonna be a

1711
01:48:12,540 --> 01:48:13,140
showpiece. It's gonna

1712
01:48:13,140 --> 01:48:18,360
Adam Curry: be a while I don't
think it'll disappear. Right?

1713
01:48:18,660 --> 01:48:22,830
Dave Jones: I'm not sure if it's
rial or Riley R y l e Davis sent

1714
01:48:22,830 --> 01:48:26,070
us five bucks right under the
wire says love the hot index.

1715
01:48:26,070 --> 01:48:26,430
Tal

1716
01:48:26,610 --> 01:48:29,190
Adam Curry: Thank you very much.
I think is Riley. Probably

1717
01:48:29,190 --> 01:48:29,670
Riley.

1718
01:48:29,700 --> 01:48:32,910
Dave Jones: Riley. Yeah, I think
so too. Yeah. That's the That's

1719
01:48:32,910 --> 01:48:36,750
That's our that's our Pay Pal.
So it gets a boosts let's see

1720
01:48:36,750 --> 01:48:37,800
here. Got one

1721
01:48:37,800 --> 01:48:40,830
Adam Curry: more booths that
came in a couple that came in

1722
01:48:40,830 --> 01:48:50,100
late actually. From Mr. Robot
44,444. So he says confirmed the

1723
01:48:50,100 --> 01:48:53,100
better half heard Adam needed a
refill of some climate change

1724
01:48:53,100 --> 01:48:59,700
for propane to keep the show
going. Go podcasting. Thank you.

1725
01:49:01,560 --> 01:49:02,070
Yeah,

1726
01:49:02,970 --> 01:49:07,410
Dave Jones: let's see here.
We've got 1100 38 Sasser Stephen

1727
01:49:07,410 --> 01:49:13,200
B. No note. Wait. Oh wait. There
is no says 1138 is a bell boost.

1728
01:49:13,260 --> 01:49:17,850
Dave What's your cat's name? The
cat. The cat's name is boss

1729
01:49:17,850 --> 01:49:22,950
monster. That's last name. It's
a balls daughter named balls.

1730
01:49:22,950 --> 01:49:26,760
Mom's not balls. Monster. Boss.
B OSS Boss.

1731
01:49:26,940 --> 01:49:28,410
Adam Curry: Boss monster I'm
sorry.

1732
01:49:29,910 --> 01:49:33,870
Dave Jones: Yeah, see? You say
boss, but I'm from Alabama. So

1733
01:49:33,870 --> 01:49:34,530
I'll say boss.

1734
01:49:36,180 --> 01:49:38,460
Adam Curry: When I was in
Amsterdam, when I was 19

1735
01:49:39,090 --> 01:49:42,360
Bachelor, but I was on TV and
you know had my own apartment

1736
01:49:42,360 --> 01:49:45,750
and everything. And I had a cat
I had I rescued a cat because I

1737
01:49:45,750 --> 01:49:49,380
was lonely. And it being Holland
I named the cat dickhead.

1738
01:49:49,380 --> 01:49:53,010
Because I thought that just kind
of funny. You know, no one

1739
01:49:53,010 --> 01:49:55,470
really knew what that meant.
Certainly not back in the in the

1740
01:49:55,470 --> 01:50:00,360
80s. But the cat moved with me
to New York and the first month

1741
01:50:00,360 --> 01:50:03,360
MTV put me up in the Mayflower
Hotel which is no longer there.

1742
01:50:03,360 --> 01:50:05,850
Columbus Circle is kind of like
a rock and roll hotel but it was

1743
01:50:05,850 --> 01:50:10,200
a real night it was in New York
hotel. And, and I was going to

1744
01:50:10,200 --> 01:50:14,160
MTV during the day. And my wife
at the time she had accidentally

1745
01:50:14,160 --> 01:50:18,450
let the cat had walked out of
the hotel room and was nowhere

1746
01:50:18,450 --> 01:50:22,620
to be seen in the hallway. So
she went down to the to the bell

1747
01:50:22,650 --> 01:50:25,890
the bell station, he said, you
know, you know we have the cat

1748
01:50:25,890 --> 01:50:29,070
here, but you know, the cat got
out and we got to find the cat

1749
01:50:29,070 --> 01:50:35,130
because what's the cat's name?
You had these bellhops dickhead.

1750
01:50:37,560 --> 01:50:40,110
And there's another Adam curry
classic story.

1751
01:50:40,920 --> 01:50:43,200
Dave Jones: You don't want to go
screaming that around New York.

1752
01:50:46,830 --> 01:50:51,840
Adam Curry: He lived to be 23
Crazy past 23 And we had to put

1753
01:50:51,840 --> 01:50:54,030
him down he wouldn't even go he
couldn't walk.

1754
01:50:54,360 --> 01:50:57,180
Dave Jones: He refused to die.
You're gonna have to kill me.

1755
01:50:57,210 --> 01:50:57,600
Yeah,

1756
01:50:58,110 --> 01:51:00,480
Adam Curry: it was badass cat
very badass cat.

1757
01:51:01,500 --> 01:51:06,390
Dave Jones: Eric pp 33 333 So
the boost CLI no note. Thank

1758
01:51:06,390 --> 01:51:06,960
you, Eric. You're

1759
01:51:06,960 --> 01:51:09,120
Adam Curry: EPP Oh grass,

1760
01:51:10,230 --> 01:51:16,650
Dave Jones: grass fed beef and
1111 pod verse. calyx OS and pop

1761
01:51:16,650 --> 01:51:24,450
OS for the win. Nice. Canoga as
soon as 3521 pod friend no note

1762
01:51:24,450 --> 01:51:28,590
thank you get a row ducks from
Gene bein 2222 to transcript in

1763
01:51:28,620 --> 01:51:32,610
the transcripts in pod I don't
know what you're trying to say

1764
01:51:32,610 --> 01:51:35,340
there gene. But we appreciate
it. Yeah, thank you,

1765
01:51:35,370 --> 01:51:36,300
Adam Curry: whatever you're
saying.

1766
01:51:36,690 --> 01:51:39,600
Dave Jones: Gene said another
1000 Sassy sunfab to pod verse

1767
01:51:39,600 --> 01:51:42,540
he says testing pod verse for
the first time in a good while

1768
01:51:43,320 --> 01:51:47,130
it weren't as successful Yep.
Gene being at 649 to pod verse

1769
01:51:47,130 --> 01:51:49,230
he says the wait transcripts are
displayed in pod friend is

1770
01:51:49,230 --> 01:51:52,530
really cool. Unfortunately,
boosting from iOS doesn't seem

1771
01:51:52,530 --> 01:51:54,990
to be working right? So I'm
sending this from pod verse

1772
01:51:54,990 --> 01:51:58,170
which also has some nice
transcript scrolling having all

1773
01:51:58,170 --> 01:52:03,570
these choices is awesome. He
sent another message for 2048

1774
01:52:03,570 --> 01:52:07,560
that 2k Boost he sent How come?
How come you don't use Linux for

1775
01:52:07,560 --> 01:52:09,090
the studio computer to Adam

1776
01:52:09,480 --> 01:52:13,200
Adam Curry: Oh I wish I could
the only reason I still use it

1777
01:52:13,590 --> 01:52:21,270
it boxy there's two reasons I
really like Hindenburg as

1778
01:52:21,300 --> 01:52:24,300
recording and editing software
that don't make it for Linux. I

1779
01:52:24,300 --> 01:52:27,300
know there's other ones and so I
could totally replace that but

1780
01:52:27,600 --> 01:52:31,470
the M Error List which is a
Windows product which I have

1781
01:52:31,470 --> 01:52:36,150
completely customized the guy
has he's a German developer and

1782
01:52:36,150 --> 01:52:39,750
you pay him as he's he has a an
actual business radio stations

1783
01:52:39,750 --> 01:52:43,320
use this. He has talked about
making a Linux version but it's

1784
01:52:43,500 --> 01:52:47,280
there's so much going on that he
says it it really just isn't

1785
01:52:47,280 --> 01:52:50,190
quite appropriate yet or
whatever and don't email me

1786
01:52:50,520 --> 01:52:53,730
please don't email me your 5000
programs there's nothing like

1787
01:52:53,730 --> 01:52:57,060
this that does it. I wish when
there is I'll gladly change

1788
01:52:57,240 --> 01:53:00,300
Dave Jones: and all he does it
doesn't worry you whine why no

1789
01:53:00,300 --> 01:53:02,580
Adam Curry: it does not work.
It's not underwires not a great

1790
01:53:02,580 --> 01:53:04,020
product under wine No

1791
01:53:04,080 --> 01:53:06,870
Dave Jones: Don't email me your
wine can please please don't.

1792
01:53:08,370 --> 01:53:12,300
Hard Hat 10,101 says no no
through pod verse. Thank you

1793
01:53:12,300 --> 01:53:19,050
Horvat 2222 Fat Odell sin pot
through pod versus says go

1794
01:53:19,050 --> 01:53:19,770
podcasting

1795
01:53:19,800 --> 01:53:22,350
Adam Curry: Yeah, you better
believe it go podcast.

1796
01:53:24,600 --> 01:53:27,930
Dave Jones: Joel ws in essential
Richards 111 ones who found

1797
01:53:27,930 --> 01:53:31,590
nieces had an employer issued
phone is he had an employer

1798
01:53:31,590 --> 01:53:34,650
issued iPhone use it for
crossbow practice after be

1799
01:53:34,650 --> 01:53:40,830
forced out. Sir Shona the
Allegheny Valley aka Sean McCune

1800
01:53:41,250 --> 01:53:44,700
sent 10,000 Sasa cast medic says
tunes

1801
01:53:45,480 --> 01:53:48,390
Adam Curry: nice okay, by the
way, I'm just thinking when we

1802
01:53:48,660 --> 01:53:52,140
when we talk to Steven b I'll
get in touch with when we were

1803
01:53:52,140 --> 01:53:55,740
talking I think we're talking to
the Bitcoin guys the Bitcoin

1804
01:53:55,740 --> 01:53:59,730
magazine guys this week. Yeah,
it would be super cool while

1805
01:53:59,730 --> 01:54:04,680
we're doing the Zoom call to
have the split kit just

1806
01:54:04,680 --> 01:54:08,520
switching, rotating rotating.
I'm just saying let's talk about

1807
01:54:08,520 --> 01:54:11,340
that because that would be a
dynamite way to show them what's

1808
01:54:11,340 --> 01:54:14,430
going on. You'll have three
people then highlighter speaker

1809
01:54:14,430 --> 01:54:18,360
and there's all kinds of stuff
we can do. But you're successful

1810
01:54:18,360 --> 01:54:22,110
tests and there's dickhead the
cat just showed up. Oh with a

1811
01:54:22,110 --> 01:54:26,430
boost versus a dickhead I don't
know if boop dickhead has a

1812
01:54:26,430 --> 01:54:30,780
wallet but the kid is getting
the boost. On the fly. Nice.

1813
01:54:31,560 --> 01:54:35,190
Dave Jones: That's quick. That's
quick. Yeah, Alex had a good

1814
01:54:35,190 --> 01:54:39,540
idea the other day to create a
to write an OBS plugin that

1815
01:54:39,540 --> 01:54:42,330
would put the boosts that
Burnham into the screen in the

1816
01:54:42,330 --> 01:54:43,440
live feed. Oh,

1817
01:54:44,610 --> 01:54:45,930
Adam Curry: that'd be fantastic.

1818
01:54:46,170 --> 01:54:49,290
Dave Jones: Okay, booster
Graham. Gene being again to Kay

1819
01:54:49,290 --> 01:54:52,680
says I'll happily boost quality
audio anytime, Dave. Thank you.

1820
01:54:52,680 --> 01:54:54,720
And he says if you haven't
already, you should listen to

1821
01:54:54,720 --> 01:54:58,140
some of the stories on dark net
diaries. Yes, I do like dark net

1822
01:54:58,140 --> 01:55:00,720
diaries. I don't listen all the
time. But I do like that

1823
01:55:00,720 --> 01:55:05,730
podcast. Row ducks 2022 test
boosting from pod friend

1824
01:55:05,730 --> 01:55:09,780
everything came through. Oh
Martin sent us a row of ducks

1825
01:55:09,780 --> 01:55:11,700
through pod for and he says
boosting a row of ducks for

1826
01:55:11,700 --> 01:55:12,330
science.

1827
01:55:12,360 --> 01:55:14,760
Adam Curry: Yes, let's hear it
in science

1828
01:55:17,190 --> 01:55:21,030
Dave Jones: see we got some
tests boost their Shan Shan

1829
01:55:21,030 --> 01:55:25,680
refinery Shanti refinery sent us
5000 says to fountain no note

1830
01:55:25,680 --> 01:55:30,120
Thank you, Shawn. Mitch D. Get a
bunch of DEV boost test from

1831
01:55:30,150 --> 01:55:32,550
Mitch Downey. Everything's
looking good. Mitch

1832
01:55:32,580 --> 01:55:36,870
Adam Curry: seems to be working
appropriately. Yep. Kevin Bay

1833
01:55:37,020 --> 01:55:41,130
Dave Jones: sent 100,000 SATs.
Oh, oops.

1834
01:55:43,590 --> 01:55:47,040
Adam Curry: That didn't sound
like enough. There we go.

1835
01:55:52,950 --> 01:55:55,890
That's the one I liked that one
with the explosion. That's my

1836
01:55:55,890 --> 01:55:56,850
favorite right there.

1837
01:55:57,780 --> 01:56:00,210
Dave Jones: See Kevin this as
I'm just a podcast dabbler and

1838
01:56:00,210 --> 01:56:02,580
it always amazes me when Dave
helps solve issues I create

1839
01:56:02,580 --> 01:56:05,280
through my technological
ineptitude in 10 thumbs on the

1840
01:56:05,280 --> 01:56:07,740
keyboard. In honor of the
dedication and service Dave

1841
01:56:07,740 --> 01:56:10,530
provides to people like me I've
started a personal podcast index

1842
01:56:10,530 --> 01:56:14,460
endowment fund by setting aside
$1,000 in an interest bearing

1843
01:56:14,460 --> 01:56:17,310
account Wow. The monthly
interest will go to podcast

1844
01:56:17,310 --> 01:56:20,130
index through PayPal I will
build this balance slowly and

1845
01:56:20,130 --> 01:56:22,590
pledged to donate it to an
official fund some should

1846
01:56:22,590 --> 01:56:24,930
someone start one oh wow

1847
01:56:31,260 --> 01:56:33,900
Adam Curry: what a great idea.
Love that. That is so kind of

1848
01:56:33,900 --> 01:56:35,910
dominant. When in doubt we got
our first week.

1849
01:56:36,780 --> 01:56:43,710
Dave Jones: We're in we're well
endowed. D thank you so much.

1850
01:56:43,710 --> 01:56:47,670
Kevin, Mitch D 10,000. Sets the
pod versus boosting the value

1851
01:56:47,670 --> 01:56:49,890
time split underclasses a jam

1852
01:56:49,950 --> 01:56:53,880
Adam Curry: do nice. See 3333

1853
01:56:53,880 --> 01:56:59,640
Dave Jones: from Chad F Hi,
Martin. Hi, Martin. Mere Mortals

1854
01:56:59,640 --> 01:57:02,460
podcast we do 22 through family
says just a little plug here for

1855
01:57:02,460 --> 01:57:04,920
the value for value podcast
Season Three that I'll be

1856
01:57:04,920 --> 01:57:08,610
kicking off next week have
finally done my P two O V for V

1857
01:57:08,610 --> 01:57:12,360
BTC. Homage on the mere mortals.
So have my structure worked out.

1858
01:57:12,690 --> 01:57:15,120
I moved it over to blueberry. So
hopefully it will be joining the

1859
01:57:15,120 --> 01:57:17,670
lit ranks barring any technical
mishap. So look out for that.

1860
01:57:17,670 --> 01:57:24,360
Yeah, we'll get you hooked up.
Very nice. Karen. Let's see 5000

1861
01:57:24,360 --> 01:57:27,630
For Oh from Sir Alex gays. Thank
you Alex 5000. SAS no note.

1862
01:57:27,960 --> 01:57:32,760
Thank you, brother. Anonymous.
10,000 SATs Casta Matic no note

1863
01:57:33,360 --> 01:57:37,710
a chat F 3333 says let's go
testing VTS on iOS beta in pod

1864
01:57:37,710 --> 01:57:38,250
verse.

1865
01:57:38,880 --> 01:57:42,240
Adam Curry: Good good. It works
for log 10,000

1866
01:57:42,240 --> 01:57:45,870
Dave Jones: SATs through pod
verse no no from Borlaug and we

1867
01:57:45,870 --> 01:57:53,490
got see we got Lyceum sent a
central Richard could a booster

1868
01:57:53,490 --> 01:57:57,600
gram of 1111 SATs be appropriate
as you are dancing around the

1869
01:57:57,600 --> 01:58:01,080
maypole. Can you celebrate
midsummer Adam and Dave Martin

1870
01:58:01,080 --> 01:58:01,740
lindskog

1871
01:58:02,190 --> 01:58:04,680
Adam Curry: I think it's still a
satchel Richards that's that's

1872
01:58:04,680 --> 01:58:08,400
just that's stuck. We can't get
rid of that. Thank you

1873
01:58:09,300 --> 01:58:14,070
Dave Jones: get the delimiter
comic strip blog. Yes 30 3015

1874
01:58:14,100 --> 01:58:17,640
The now fired from a cooking
show.

1875
01:58:17,670 --> 01:58:20,850
Adam Curry: No, don't say that.
No, he's not fired. No, don't

1876
01:58:21,060 --> 01:58:25,680
look, you're gonna get emails
you're gonna get DMS they parted

1877
01:58:25,680 --> 01:58:29,820
ways amicably and comics your
blogger continues to support the

1878
01:58:29,820 --> 01:58:34,380
podcast and 2.0 ecosystem as
well as the podcast and we

1879
01:58:34,380 --> 01:58:35,190
appreciate that.

1880
01:58:35,460 --> 01:58:38,850
Dave Jones: Just messing with
your comic strip. How do you

1881
01:58:38,850 --> 01:58:42,480
Dave and Adam unleash your inner
fury with Planet rage hosts

1882
01:58:42,480 --> 01:58:46,650
Larry Blattner and Darrin
O'Neill dive into button issues

1883
01:58:46,710 --> 01:58:49,650
from politics to culture
stirring up the debates you care

1884
01:58:49,650 --> 01:58:52,260
about sharing their rage laugh
at their commentary and

1885
01:58:52,260 --> 01:58:55,260
challenge your perspectives
Don't bottle it up lit the rage

1886
01:58:55,260 --> 01:58:58,860
out on the journey through
planet rage tour is departing

1887
01:58:58,860 --> 01:59:01,710
now. Visit the Met planet rage
does show yo

1888
01:59:02,520 --> 01:59:04,260
Adam Curry: coming through
blogger always supporting the

1889
01:59:04,260 --> 01:59:06,450
podcast so much appreciated man
really

1890
01:59:06,660 --> 01:59:08,940
Dave Jones: appreciate it.
Appreciate it. And yes,

1891
01:59:08,940 --> 01:59:12,870
monthlies, monthlies. Yeah,
yeah, we got, Trevor at Xena

1892
01:59:12,870 --> 01:59:18,900
war, this $5 Paul Paul Erskine
$11.14. Thank you, Michael Gagan

1893
01:59:18,900 --> 01:59:24,570
$5 Charles current $5 Thank you
Charles. Cone glass Buck $5 Sean

1894
01:59:24,570 --> 01:59:28,380
McCune against her assertion
with Allegheny Valley $20 Thank

1895
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you, Sean. Christopher reamer
$10 James Sullivan $10 in Jordan

1896
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Dunnville $10

1897
01:59:35,490 --> 01:59:38,340
Adam Curry: dudes and dudettes
thank you all so much for

1898
01:59:38,340 --> 01:59:42,750
supporting podcasts and 2.0 The
project is value for value Dave

1899
01:59:42,750 --> 01:59:44,970
and I started this three years
ago look at all the people who

1900
01:59:44,970 --> 01:59:49,980
are providing value, sending
value around every value every

1901
01:59:49,980 --> 01:59:53,580
piece of digital value that
comes in goes into liquidity for

1902
01:59:53,580 --> 01:59:56,910
us make sure you hit me up if
you need a channel that keeps

1903
01:59:57,210 --> 02:00:01,470
the Node running and when and
liquidated they're nicely,

1904
02:00:01,710 --> 02:00:04,860
nicely liquid. And of course,
we're able to pay the bills,

1905
02:00:04,860 --> 02:00:07,530
we'd really appreciate that if
you'd like to support this

1906
02:00:07,530 --> 02:00:10,710
because you got some value from
the show or from the project, go

1907
02:00:10,710 --> 02:00:13,620
to podcasts index.org down at
the bottom two red buttons, one

1908
02:00:13,620 --> 02:00:17,130
for your Fiat fund coupons. I'm
thinking maybe now we'll replace

1909
02:00:17,130 --> 02:00:23,310
the tally coin with either with,
or maybe we'll put in the split

1910
02:00:23,310 --> 02:00:26,460
kit, and we'll put in the
contracts. And this is that

1911
02:00:26,460 --> 02:00:30,450
we're doing some amazing things
here. The really is it's very,

1912
02:00:30,450 --> 02:00:33,600
very fun to see this. And of
course, special thanks to our

1913
02:00:33,600 --> 02:00:38,280
guests, Steven crater who, who
joined us today, Stephen, again,

1914
02:00:38,280 --> 02:00:41,430
thank you so much for for all
the work you're doing for this

1915
02:00:41,430 --> 02:00:45,210
project. And you can expect a
continuing split in the value

1916
02:00:45,210 --> 02:00:48,000
block. And of course, today
should be fun to be watching.

1917
02:00:49,650 --> 02:00:51,480
Steven Crader: Thanks for having
me. You're welcome.

1918
02:00:52,530 --> 02:00:57,900
Adam Curry: A man of so many
words. We love me for that. All

1919
02:00:57,900 --> 02:01:02,010
right, well, a little bit past
my heart out but who cares? This

1920
02:01:02,010 --> 02:01:06,240
has been a great show a great
board meeting, man. All

1921
02:01:06,240 --> 02:01:09,720
companies should be run like
this. No profit is perfect. It's

1922
02:01:09,720 --> 02:01:13,230
perfect. All right. Love you,
brother. All right.

1923
02:01:14,580 --> 02:01:15,600
Dave Jones: Let's do it again
next week.

1924
02:01:15,630 --> 02:01:17,820
Adam Curry: Yeah, let's do that.
Chat Room. Thank you very much,

1925
02:01:17,820 --> 02:01:21,270
Steven. Thank you very much. And
all you boosters out there.

1926
02:01:21,270 --> 02:01:23,820
Thank you for listening to
podcasting. 2.0 We'll be back

1927
02:01:23,820 --> 02:01:25,560
next week right here. See you
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