Episode 137: Wonk Factor

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Adam Curry: podcasting 2.0 for
June 16 2023, episode 137 one

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factor Oh Well hello everybody.
Welcome to the official board

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meaning of podcasting. 2.0 Yes,
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department for that matter. I
hope you're ready to talk about

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all things namespace all things
podcasts index.org And of course

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everything we're discussing in
podcast index dot social. I'm

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Adam curry here in the heart of
the Texas Hill Country and in

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Alabama. You'll never find him
at a furry convention say hello

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to my friend on the other end
ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Jones.

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Dave Jones: That is true. That
is one thing that I will hold

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heartedly agree with and never
find me at a very convincing

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Adam Curry: Star Trek
convention. Yeah, but not a

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furry convention. No.

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Dave Jones: By the way pig
butchering that is a real thing

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and it is what it is widespread
is out of control. Oh yeah.

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Adam Curry: Did you hear that
on? I think it was two shows ago

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on no agenda, which we started
texting back. And they're like,

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oh, call me quick. And then they
call them they would hang up. I

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was ready to add to the board
and everything I was once super

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excited.

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Dave Jones: Yeah, I mean like
there's so many people at the

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office are just getting these
things randomly. I had to send

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an email out like okay, here's
this is you had to get it Yeah,

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like

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Adam Curry: Hello Are you horny
dogs? Let me tell you what's

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going on do not reply. What What
was her name? It doesn't get the

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same name now or get different
names.

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Dave Jones: What was the one
from yesterday? My coworker got

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one.

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Adam Curry: I literally just got
one just now. You did not deal

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right we're talking Yep. Right
now just came in Laura. Let's go

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golfing together sometime
tomorrow.

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Dave Jones: Always golf. Always.
golf instructor want to go play

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golf. Bla bla Yes.

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Adam Curry: Well, we that's the
one that a lot of people get

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Chloe. Oh, Chloe. Yeah. Yeah,

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Dave Jones: so is it Chloe
Chloe's a baiting? They baiting?

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Named? Yes.

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Adam Curry: Jenny, Chloe, Laura.
gets the

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Dave Jones: girl next door
librarian level. Male beta. That

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is the hot librarian.

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Adam Curry: Let me just take off
my glasses and shake my hair

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down for a second.

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Dave Jones: Yes, exactly.

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Adam Curry: So you really had to
Hello. Someone sending from from

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pod fans. No podcast index.
Okay. No pie. I thought it was.

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I guess if you don't send a
logo, then you get the stock

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logo. No, I think or this came
from the index. And Martin's you

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were late. By the way. We're
streaming. We're streaming we're

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lit that means you can send us
SATs. See pod friends we see pod

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verse we see fountain we see the
index looking good everybody

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Dave Jones: that's not double
lit. And lit lit.

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Adam Curry: Now you're doing a
streaming video again. This will

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be our test. No

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Dave Jones: no, this is this is
on purpose. This is Alex we're

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testing Alex's new fancy new
Yeah, let's squared exactly

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faster new what? fancy new low
latency peer tube so like this

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is only so the video is supposed
to be the one we tested it the

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other night. Yeah, he enabled
low latency on it which reduces

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the size of the HLS like chunk
buffer so that you have a phat

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you know you you're not the you
can get get the next chunk out

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faster. And so then it only
reduces the latency from like 30

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to 45 seconds down to like nine
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Adam Curry: No way.

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Dave Jones: Very fast. Yes,
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Adam Curry: especially for
videos pretty good.

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Dave Jones: Yeah, we tested it i
was i You know, I would like you

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know, do something on the on the
video and then watch it just I

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mean, it would be it was like
consistently nine seconds. Which

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I consider that to be amazing to
do with like a low power Linode.

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VM. Yes.

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Adam Curry: Is that where you're
running? The What are you

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running on the on the on the
Linode VM.

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Dave Jones: Now this is through
in a tube. This is the no agenda

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to Okay, I understand. I
understand. Yes. Here's where it

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says Do I hear music? I

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Adam Curry: hear music I hear
something.

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Dave Jones: Oh, you did? Oh,
that's my way. Hang on a sec.

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See?

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Adam Curry: See this. It always
screws everything.

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Dave Jones: That's my daughter
playing the kid stopped the

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show. I gotta I gotta tell you I
could knock it off.

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Adam Curry: Now. It's okay.
Don't worry about it. If she's

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playing, that's fine. As long as
if it's her then at least I know

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what it is. I just keep hearing
it like in the background like

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What am I hearing? Did you
actually ran to tell her to

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knock it off? I can't believe
that. Daddy's doing a podcast.

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Oh, goodness. Well, I don't know
what we're going to do. Oh,

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we're waiting for Dave to come
back. This is kind of weird. GT

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IDs. Do

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Dave Jones: you hear how did you
hear that? And I didn't. I think

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I was talking and I had my
headphones out. I think I could

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hear myself so loud that I
didn't even hear the piano

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Adam Curry: piano. I was doing
the show with Tina the other

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night and I'm hearing a buzz
when she's talking. I'm hearing

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it. And she doesn't hear it.
People who listen to the show

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can't hear it, but I hear it.
What I knew what I need to learn

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is to not not obsess over it.
That's my problem. Not really.

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I'm obsessing

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Dave Jones: Ah, you said you
said I hear music and then I was

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a pause for a second and I'm
like, yeah, here to it. It was

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right next to me in the room
next.

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Adam Curry: Now, did you beat
her senseless or what did you do

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Dave Jones: now? To beat her
said just one backhand was all

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Adam Curry: heard about you guys
and Alabama that and oh, no, you

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don't want to hurt him. Wow,
sorry if that triggered anybody

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didn't meet you be careful. All
right, let's talk about

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triggering. Let's get another
way right away right now.

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Everybody hair on fire run
around value for value is gonna

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die. Apple app. Oh yeah. Oh my
goodness. What

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Dave Jones: do you want? Do you
want to give me your your

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immediate thoughts? Or do you?
What do you how do you want to?

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Well, let's structure this
conversation. Yeah,

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Adam Curry: why don't we explain
what happened first? There was a

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tweet how you know, when it when
a tweet goes out, especially

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once a screenshot, then you know
something's up. It's gonna It's

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everyone's gonna get all spun up
over it. And then this was in

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the initial tweet from Domus I
think it's pronounced Domus

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Dave Jones: as in Nostradamus,
Nostradamus? Yeah, there

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Adam Curry: you go, which is a
app for the noster noster

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protocol, I guess I could say,
because not really a network

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nostril protocol. More most
notably, the one that I think

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Jack Dorsey sponsors, if I'm

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Dave Jones: correct, sponsors,
as in getting a whole bunch,

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give him give him money.

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Adam Curry: Yeah, Bitcoin to do
it. I think it's one Dev. And so

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first, he got a note from that
he got kicked back saying that

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he had violated 3.1 dot one of
the guidelines. And it didn't it

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was you know, without much other
context. And then the follow up

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was not a screenshot, but was
his interpretation. And they

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said, Well, the issue is with
zaps, and I can't have zaps on

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individual posts, it can only be
on profiles. Right now, what is

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interesting is this was
immediately equated to a hotel

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value for values and trouble.
I'm not I'm not too I mean, for

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Dominus, you know, okay, so
there's one, there's one app

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that may not be able to do zaps,
or will have to be crippled. But

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the thing first of all, this is
Apple's guidelines. You know,

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this is not like an unknown
entity, anyone who has an app in

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the App Store, I presume you've
seen it, I presume? You know

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what, what it says? And I
presume that Domus knows what

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they did that. Interestingly,
the way it was worded, I don't

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know if that was the official
wording from Apple was kind of

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pre crime, which I thought was
pretty cool. Because they're

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saying you

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Dave Jones: possibly could sell
digital content using this

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method? Yes.

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Adam Curry: And it's the endless
discussion of what is in app

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currency. What is digital
content? I don't know if we, if

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you and I need to rehash that. I
think what we need to remind

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everybody is a couple things.
One, Apple is a shit coin. Come

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on, you know, you use Apple,
you're in you build your own

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jail around you. This is not
like a surprise. This is not the

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first app that that's been, you
know, this that's had an issue.

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I mean, there's the 100 million
dollar lawsuits with Epic Games,

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you know, Amazon Kindle. I mean,
this is, this is not like an

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unknown. And, you know,
surprise, surprise, if it's not

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today, and it'll be tomorrow, or
in five years, or at some point

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Apple will have a problem with
with lightning apps. I'm sure

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it's coming. You know, I don't
think any of us should be

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surprised. I appreciated what
the lb did. brought attention to

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every single one of our apps.
Yeah, yeah. Thanks. Appreciate

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that with a blog post. But But I
really do appreciate now, they

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don't really have skin in the
game because they don't have an

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app in the App Store. But a lot
of apps connect to them, and use

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them and use them and they made
a very, a very compelling case

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for value for value. Now, this
is not exactly what how I view

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these apps I don't value I don't
equate those to value for value,

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first of all, because they're
called a tip. You are equated

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with a tip not it's a zap but
it's a tip and you've asked him

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what's his app, it's a tip. But
and so I don't That to me is not

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value for value. I think that
when you have a slider that

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allows you to say you can only
send me zaps and not likes, I

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think that's probably where
where the trouble came from.

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But, you know, this is what What
troubled me is the headlines in

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our own community. How would
people run out oh, this is all

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because this the end of value
for value? Well, let's just

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review value for value for a
second. Now, if a value is is,

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it's not going to go away
because of an inconvenience.

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Having the, the streaming sites
and a boost button and a boost

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to Graham functionality in an
app is, is it works well,

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because it's convenient. But
it's not like it's not a payment

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system. Value for value works in
many ways. time, talent,

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treasure, the techno agenda,
although booths do come in for

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16 years, we've had to tell
people go to this website, and

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then click on a button and then
go to paypal, and then use that

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to send his value back. So it's
not like value for value dies on

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the vine, and then it doesn't
work anymore. And also, I think,

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pod Vers, pod friend, fountain,
they all have web versions. So

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I'm not too worried about this,
you know, there's some, there's

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some thinking that, well, if
you're not in the App Store,

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then you might as well just be
dead. I just, I don't believe

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that if you are true value for
value, not if you just think,

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Oh, I'm just gonna get people
streaming automatically, and

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I'll get a tip or two, you're
probably not that interested in

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value for value anyway, if
something happened, where you

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couldn't use a 2.0 V for V app
on on Apple, I think, you know,

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the way it works is like, Hey,
could you please help us out?

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Because you either use the web
version to boost us can you get

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a new phone get out of Apple
jail, people would still support

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us, it wouldn't go away
overnight. In fact, it'll

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probably even ignite people to
support us more.

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Dave Jones: I would say I would
say that we we have that's one

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of it's sort of baked into the
mission of all of this is to

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find ways around all of this
kinds of the kind of junk. I

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thought about this. Yeah. Yeah.
And I will. Peter, there's a

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bigger discussion. But I mean, I
think I think we can find if if,

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if Apple were to, you know,
extend its arm over podcasting

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2.0 apps and kill value for
value out of the App Store apps

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out of their platform? i Yeah,
it would be annoying, and it

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would be a setback. But I don't
ultimately think that that I

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think we are smart enough to
figure out ways around that to

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make it still function just
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Adam Curry: Definitely. Well,
first of all, there's the entire

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if you look at smartphones in
general, there are more Android

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phones in the world than than
iPhones. Is this incessant? You

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know, of course, the richest
people in the world are the ones

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who have iPhones. Yeah, that's
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of the of the rich class in
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about and I really liked it, the
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value dot info, that's a good
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philosophy is behind value for
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little bits of money. And
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what's a booster gram, it was
people send you different bits

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of money. No, no, no, no, it can
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someone assigned to it. The key
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in the RSS feed. That's the key.
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surface a QR code. I'm just
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can't do this in the app
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know, how about this track
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send an email to yourself that
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email and automatically
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there's so many ways around
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Dave Jones: all of Yeah,
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thoughts on how to do it as
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just so there's so when all you
when you focus on, what is the

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problem that you're trying to
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it. It doesn't have to be, to me
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the most elegant,
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can't control in one platform,
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world. I'm not worried about it.

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Adam Curry: Exactly. I mean,
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these apps. And that was the big
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to get people to switch to a
different app is much harder

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them You know, oh, now you have
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to me, it's just like, do you
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guidelines, these are not laws,
pure like this is, according to

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your own guidelines, it should
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tomorrow if they wake up and
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Dave Jones: I want to say that,
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lot, there's a lot of things
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both increasing the cost of
their API, which killed third

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party apps. That was, that's a
big thing that's going on right

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now, you know, red is going
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Adam Curry: Because people are
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anything. Do something yourself
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Dave Jones: We have to
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culture as as a generation here,
we have to understand that this

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all of this stuff that we have
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brains have been destroyed by
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this is all about to change. The
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radically changing as we speak,
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Adam Curry: I love it. When you
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Dave Jones: When you actually
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changes. And so Reddit, they
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got to make money, and they are
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And you know what, it's going to
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this with Twitter, Twitter had
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1500. And you know, what's
changed? Nothing, absolutely

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nothing. Except they're closer
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were before. They're still not
profitable. And yet, they're

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pretty darn close. And they're
gonna get themselves to be

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profitable. And come hell or
high water and things are gonna

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change in the process. The same
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going to happen all across the
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most. To me, the most important
point here is, Apple is just

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Reddit. Apple is Reddit, they
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according to their terms of
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happens. It just so happens to
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Right, that we still don't
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That phone in your hand is just
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Adam Curry: I mean, I think even
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service, you kind of don't own
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they could they can expire the
certificates for the apps, they

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can do whatever they want. You
bought an app? Yeah, I'm not

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really, you don't really own
that app, we can remove that

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from your mirror when they were
moved. Was that to me was Amazon

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Dave Jones: 1980s 1982.

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Adam Curry: The Kindle from the
Kindle, which was the most

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ironic thing ever? Yeah, yeah. I
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this.

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Dave Jones: It's even worse.
It's it's even worse than it's

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even worse than red is it? So
Apple is the iPhone has just

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read it. But it's actually even
worse. Because it's ideological

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more than it is monetary. At
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the issue was purely being able
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and make a profit, right with
Apple. They were they've been

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the most profitable company in
the universe for many, many,

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many years. It's not about
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Adam Curry: Apple, Apple doesn't
need to keep up appearances. I

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mean, you know, they're
expecting to sell 20% Less

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iPhones in the US, they have to
up their you know, they have to

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keep their service money going.
So it's not unimportant, let's

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put it that

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Dave Jones: way. It's, it is a
very sir, service, 70% of the

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revenue of the App Store is from
games. And almost 70% of that

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revenue is from in app
purchases. So you're only

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talking about a a small portion
of of the pie there. So this,

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what we're talking about with
fat, you know, value for value

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payments, or damos, or any of
these. That's a very small

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amount of a very small sliver of
what they would make with what

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Apple saying what Reddit is
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pay for the API, so we're going
to charge you money. What

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Apple's saying is, if you want
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our platform, you must adhere to
these guidelines, you must obey,

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you must obey, yes, it's
actually more closer to pure

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censorship than it is. And I
mean, this stuff that has

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nothing to do with money. I
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social networking app, they
dictate that you must have

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moderate a moderator. Yeah. You
have to prove that you can do

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moderate you have all of these
things that are non financially

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related that you must adhere to,
or they will kick you off the

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platform. So it's actually worse
than just a pure financial play.

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It's an ideological play and
like you don't own that you do

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not own that iPhone this in your
head you do not hence

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Adam Curry: a shit coin. That's
exactly what they are. They're

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just a sheer coin. It's and
that's okay. But I'm just

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surprised. Everyone gets apple,
the apple. Tim Tim Cook. No,

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he's seen the writing on the
wall. No man. Yeah, how long I

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left Apple iPhone with the six
and went to graphene OS. And now

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I'm barely even on that now. I'm
just back to my computer, which,

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except for the studio computer,
unfortunately, is everything's

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Linux. I love this.

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Dave Jones: I guess I'm
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Adam Curry: with a light phone.
Yeah, technically, it's Android

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under under,

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Dave Jones: even though it's
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the covers. But that's obviously
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Adam Curry: the open source
code. I mean, anybody can use

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that anybody can create that.
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Dave Jones: I will say this
once. One thing that we net,

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we've seen these Apple developer
Apple versus indie developers

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disputes before. They've played
out many times in public. In one

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thing that Apple is very, has
always been this way. They're

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very nervous about bad public
relations. They don't like bad

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PR. They'd rather not deal with
it. But they do want to save

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face. I think that the ultimate
resolution that happened with

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with Domus was a combination of
them wanting to not getting

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embroiled in a PR problem.
Combined with they do want to

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say face that I don't really,
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Adam Curry: you really think you
really think they care about

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saving face.

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Dave Jones: That's been proven
time and time again, like they,

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there's a there was a thing with
the developer of an app called

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Paul that had API that would
give you it was kind of like

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postman, for the Mac, it would
give you API access. And it had

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a bunch of documentation baked
into and all that public spat

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with them. And it was very clear
in that, that they were trying

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not to make people angry. But
but then they also had to like,

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stick to sort of stick to what
they said. So they're trying to

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like shoot this gap, where
they're like, We didn't really

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we didn't miss admit we were
wrong. But we can, but we don't

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want this to actually keep going
any further. So they kind of

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like came to a to an agreement
or settlement. I think that's

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what this is. I think they get
overzealous a little bit with a

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reviewer. they deemed Damas. And
then they had and then Jack got

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involved, and everybody started
freaking out. And they were

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like, oh, okay, well, we didn't
really intend for this to

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happen. Maybe then they got on
the call. And then we're like,

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Okay, well, it's really about
posts, not about profiles, which

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doesn't make any actually
doesn't make any sense. No,

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look, I think they just
arbitrarily created a line to

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say, Oh, it's just the post.
That's to keep just to save

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Adam Curry: Hmm, I think that
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Looking at the change log, the
change was zaps only, which

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means according to the letter of
the of the of their made up

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rules. That a tip or donation
has to be optional. And this

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kind of didn't make it optional.
If someone could force you into

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doing this, and you know, the
it's not about Dominus, I don't

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they don't care. It's about the
100 million dollar, other

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lawsuits. That's what it's
about. Because if they allowed

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Damas to get away with it, then
they have to go back to Epic

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Games and all that it's a
shitshow. Apple is a law firm.

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And they have some developers in
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Dave Jones: description. Yeah,
it was my favorite. We could

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mean you were going back and
forth about that thing when it

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happened. We're like, you're
like Apple's law firm.

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Adam Curry: Right out about
that. So yeah, no, I'm not too

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worried about again, value for
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It's a mindset. West, we were
talking with Martin from pod

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friend on the show on in the
boardroom last week. He says,

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you know, value for value that's
in the community. You know,

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people just helping out people
doing stuff. There's none of

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that stops. None of that goes
away. That do I love automated

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value transfers. Yeah, of
course. It's not going to stop.

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It'll just stop on one platform.
If it's it could stop on on any

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platform. Unless, you know, by
the way. I have no idea if a

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progressive web app, I'm sure
Apple can also forbid that they

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can do whatever they want. But I
would say that most people

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should have that anyway. See, I
agree. I mean, just seems to me

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that's the way forward
regardless, just regard

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progressive

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Dave Jones: web apps work on on
the iPhone, and it's pretty

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clean experience. It's not.
Yeah, I know. I know. There's

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limitations, but like my kids
will send me like a tick tock

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video. something pops up in a
progressive web app. Oh, really.

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And it's pretty impressive what
they can do. Here's my here's my

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thing, though PW A's out, Apple
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going outside of their payment
system. If you're still on their

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platform is going to be a
problem. They will still come

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that they will they will bill
you. They'll figure out how much

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you're making. They'll estimate
it and they will send you a

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bill. Because you remember, so
it's I think it was the Dutch

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saying where app where Apple
said where the where the

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Netherlands passed the law and
said you have to allow third

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party payments, you have to
allow payments through a third

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party system, not in the app in
in app purchase for dating apps.

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Okay, and that, that, in
response to that law, they said,

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okay, yeah, sure that we will
allow third party, you can do

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these apps, these dating apps in
the Netherlands can now directly

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accept a credit card and not do
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Adam Curry: purchase. That's
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of the EU.

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Dave Jones: My understanding is
it's only in the Netherlands.

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Hmm. But then, but what Apple
said, but they never said they

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weren't going to take their 30%.
What they do now is they just

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bill you, you still have to pay
the 30%. Really, you get to use

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your own credit card system. But
you still have to pay Apple. Let

436
00:26:27,540 --> 00:26:27,660
me

437
00:26:27,660 --> 00:26:30,360
Adam Curry: see. To comply with
an order from the Netherlands

438
00:26:30,360 --> 00:26:32,820
authority for consumers and
markets. Yes, developers

439
00:26:32,820 --> 00:26:35,340
distributing dating apps on the
Netherlands App Store can choose

440
00:26:35,340 --> 00:26:38,160
one of the following one,
continue using Apple's in app

441
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:41,310
purchase system to use a third
party payment system within the

442
00:26:41,310 --> 00:26:44,430
app three include an in app link
directing users to developers

443
00:26:44,430 --> 00:26:48,120
website to complete the purchase
or for use a third party payment

444
00:26:48,120 --> 00:26:53,850
system within the app and
include the link okay. Let me

445
00:26:53,850 --> 00:26:54,120
see.

446
00:26:54,330 --> 00:26:57,120
Dave Jones: Nathan said it's not
30% is 27%.

447
00:26:59,340 --> 00:27:01,650
Adam Curry: Okay, now,
interesting. I didn't even know

448
00:27:01,650 --> 00:27:04,830
that. Oh, I do. I do know that
the EU is now they're

449
00:27:04,830 --> 00:27:07,890
threatening to make, you know,
to say Apple is just completely

450
00:27:08,070 --> 00:27:11,400
anti competitive. You have to
have a third. You know, none of

451
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,610
it matters. It'll happen you're
gonna get screwed no matter

452
00:27:14,610 --> 00:27:18,300
what. If it comes down to money,
you don't no one cares about

453
00:27:18,300 --> 00:27:21,750
you. This one thing you and I
were going back and forth about

454
00:27:22,110 --> 00:27:25,110
I don't it's as friendly as some
of the Apple Apple people or

455
00:27:25,110 --> 00:27:28,530
they don't care about us. Yeah,
I don't believe it. I don't

456
00:27:28,530 --> 00:27:32,160
think they've given us any any
benefits or any extra. Oh, we'll

457
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:35,070
see that through our fingers.
Now. I don't think so. I don't

458
00:27:35,070 --> 00:27:38,190
think so. We're probably right,
but we're just a pure play. We

459
00:27:38,190 --> 00:27:42,210
are pure. We're not trying to
sell digital assets. No, we're

460
00:27:42,210 --> 00:27:46,680
pure we and the name kind of the
value for value versus zaps. I

461
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,110
mean come on it's obvious number
saps

462
00:27:49,110 --> 00:27:51,780
Dave Jones: only which word?
Yeah, that was a terrible

463
00:27:51,780 --> 00:27:52,320
decision.

464
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:54,300
Adam Curry: Yeah, mistake
mistake.

465
00:27:54,450 --> 00:27:56,910
Dave Jones: Yeah, I mean, just
call it just call it only pay me

466
00:27:56,910 --> 00:27:58,680
money or something like that.
And I would have

467
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:04,110
Adam Curry: been better it's
Friday. I'm feeling good. You

468
00:28:04,110 --> 00:28:05,670
want to play some music? I feel
like

469
00:28:06,510 --> 00:28:08,400
Dave Jones: he was the selector
of this music

470
00:28:08,430 --> 00:28:11,580
Adam Curry: Well first of all, I
want to thank tone record for

471
00:28:11,580 --> 00:28:15,840
giving us some He's made us a
little Friday kind of music bed

472
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:18,180
jingle thing which I want to get
out of the way which is really

473
00:28:18,180 --> 00:28:18,420
good.

474
00:28:36,780 --> 00:28:39,690
Scissors Yeah, baby. We're
running with the scissors.

475
00:28:40,110 --> 00:28:41,370
Dave Jones: I like the like this

476
00:28:43,140 --> 00:28:45,330
Adam Curry: guy. Oh, yeah. I
have to see now this is why I

477
00:28:45,330 --> 00:28:48,420
played the jingle because I got
the stab or the stinger or the

478
00:28:48,990 --> 00:28:52,320
whatever you want to call. I got
it set up to go into our song

479
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:55,020
for today. So we'll sound just
like a disc jockey on a radio

480
00:28:55,020 --> 00:28:55,590
station.

481
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:57,750
Dave Jones: Oh man, you're pro.
Yeah, well, I

482
00:28:57,750 --> 00:29:01,170
Adam Curry: try. So Stephen B
sent me a suggestion which he

483
00:29:01,170 --> 00:29:05,340
sent through Ellen beats lm
beats.com Which I did like but

484
00:29:05,340 --> 00:29:09,270
then as I was fooling around and
lm beats.com I came across

485
00:29:09,270 --> 00:29:12,600
something else which kind of
just felt like oh, this is what

486
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:17,310
I really want to do for for the
Friday show. So instead of his

487
00:29:17,310 --> 00:29:20,520
selection I'm going to play
something else now. If you're

488
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:23,970
listening to this as a podcast
recorded and distributed if

489
00:29:23,970 --> 00:29:30,360
you're using well what is it?
Who does pod friend curio

490
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:34,530
casters anyone else do the time
the value time splits yet?

491
00:29:35,580 --> 00:29:37,890
Dave Jones: We may find out
today because I put that

492
00:29:37,890 --> 00:29:42,090
information into the thing that
dumps out to show me the boost

493
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:46,290
to read so Okay, good. We may
see we may see in a surprise

494
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:47,790
participant

495
00:29:47,820 --> 00:29:50,490
Adam Curry: now if you're
listening live through. I don't

496
00:29:50,490 --> 00:29:59,040
know if Martin has set up pod
friend to do this live yet. But

497
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:01,740
for sure karaoke faster so let's
just stick with that for now

498
00:30:01,740 --> 00:30:05,610
until we hear differently you
will actually see the album art

499
00:30:05,610 --> 00:30:09,600
change the minute we played this
song, the value block switches

500
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:13,230
to the artist to the to the
musician, and that's where all

501
00:30:13,230 --> 00:30:16,740
of your streaming SATs and your
booster grams will go. So

502
00:30:16,770 --> 00:30:20,550
consider doing that just to make
this artists happy and get more

503
00:30:20,550 --> 00:30:26,220
artists involved and want to do
this. This is wow, this is an

504
00:30:26,220 --> 00:30:31,050
upbeat song. I figured a little
bit of uptempo here so let me

505
00:30:31,380 --> 00:30:33,330
let me do this like a pro here
for a second

506
00:30:39,690 --> 00:30:45,420
ready rock day here we go. It's
the underclass from LogMeIn 2.0.

507
00:33:01,860 --> 00:33:51,600
Right Long the underclass told
you'd like to and you'd like it.

508
00:33:51,900 --> 00:33:54,420
Yeah, those guys are good.
That's exactly the kind of stuff

509
00:33:54,420 --> 00:33:57,450
I need on a Friday. Whoo. So

510
00:33:57,479 --> 00:34:00,209
Dave Jones: Wiley Ellis gay says
I don't associate with someone

511
00:34:00,209 --> 00:34:01,979
who uses FaceTime as a verb.

512
00:34:04,980 --> 00:34:07,200
Adam Curry: Can you say that in
the song as you say FaceTime?

513
00:34:07,530 --> 00:34:09,540
Dave Jones: No, I don't know
that just just a

514
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:12,630
Adam Curry: non sequitur. Okay,
oh, those guys aren't even

515
00:34:12,630 --> 00:34:14,400
listening and doing something
else all together.

516
00:34:15,150 --> 00:34:17,070
Dave Jones: I've got three
different chats going I'm losing

517
00:34:17,070 --> 00:34:17,580
my mind.

518
00:34:20,309 --> 00:34:23,189
Adam Curry: And I that's
probably hosted a wavelength. I

519
00:34:23,189 --> 00:34:26,519
think, by the way, the sovereign
feeds what Stephen B has done

520
00:34:26,519 --> 00:34:30,389
here is pretty badass. He now
has basically little playout

521
00:34:30,389 --> 00:34:35,939
system inside the inside the app
so you can play the songs

522
00:34:35,939 --> 00:34:41,129
straight from sovereign feeds.
Of course, it'll synchronize

523
00:34:41,129 --> 00:34:45,059
everything and put all the the
value time split in the in the

524
00:34:45,059 --> 00:34:52,139
right place. He has a you can
add that you can create a value

525
00:34:52,139 --> 00:34:55,979
block. So what we were talking
about on the last show, I mean,

526
00:34:55,979 --> 00:34:59,999
he just right away just went
ahead and did it. So you can do

527
00:34:59,999 --> 00:35:03,029
Just to create a block of you
know for someone else whatever

528
00:35:03,029 --> 00:35:06,569
it is it could be for for a clip
that doesn't even have an RSS

529
00:35:06,569 --> 00:35:09,089
feed or anything just people who
have some wallets you can create

530
00:35:09,089 --> 00:35:13,679
that block put it in switch that
you could make it anything it's

531
00:35:13,679 --> 00:35:16,409
become a great toolkit is really
very valuable.

532
00:35:16,860 --> 00:35:19,170
Dave Jones: I need to I need to
go check that as the I don't

533
00:35:19,170 --> 00:35:22,140
ever I don't I don't have a
reason to use sovereign feet so

534
00:35:22,140 --> 00:35:25,200
I don't ever log into it because
I don't I don't post I don't

535
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:29,340
host a show right so I don't I
never see the dashboard

536
00:35:29,370 --> 00:35:32,640
experience of what this is. And
I especially need to go and

537
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:37,560
check out like the whole sinking
live thing. Like I can't get in

538
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:40,170
my head like what you're doing
when you're doing this.

539
00:35:40,980 --> 00:35:42,990
Adam Curry: Well I'm doing a lot
of things that I don't want you

540
00:35:42,990 --> 00:35:49,380
to know about but I'm glad
you're that's no cameras for me

541
00:35:49,380 --> 00:35:56,190
brother. You really need to
check it I mean, my biggest fear

542
00:35:56,220 --> 00:35:59,850
is Steven B keels over one day
this thing's gone that's my

543
00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:02,610
that's my that's honest to god
that's my biggest fear. I would

544
00:36:02,610 --> 00:36:06,570
love to have sovereign feeds
sovereignly hosted happy to me I

545
00:36:06,570 --> 00:36:09,120
think we already give them 10%
of our value block don't we? I

546
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:14,460
think the hope so. Yes. 10% for
sovereign feeds. You know, it's

547
00:36:14,460 --> 00:36:17,790
something I'd love to have on my
start nine which oh man do I

548
00:36:17,790 --> 00:36:20,880
love that thing? I'm sorry to
keep harping on it but who

549
00:36:21,300 --> 00:36:23,610
Dave Jones: isn't made me if you
keep talking like that? I'm

550
00:36:23,610 --> 00:36:25,440
gonna You're gonna make me buy
one of these.

551
00:36:25,469 --> 00:36:29,579
Adam Curry: It's so the thing is
it's so solid. It's like it just

552
00:36:29,609 --> 00:36:33,389
it just works. It's just always
there. You know this. It's not

553
00:36:33,389 --> 00:36:38,039
wonky, and I love Umbro. But
it's constant gotta walk factor,

554
00:36:38,039 --> 00:36:42,449
particularly for a walk factor

555
00:36:43,260 --> 00:36:44,220
Dave Jones: that do the show
title.

556
00:36:45,150 --> 00:36:46,770
Adam Curry: thing, so I'm
writing it down.

557
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:50,280
Dave Jones: Yeah, I'm gonna have
to buy one of these things.

558
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:56,250
Yeah. I mean, because I love I
love the I love the Umbral that

559
00:36:56,250 --> 00:36:58,410
you just keep talking so highly
of this thing. I feel like now

560
00:36:58,410 --> 00:36:59,310
I'm getting FOMO.

561
00:36:59,340 --> 00:37:01,710
Adam Curry: Yeah, well, you can
you can put it on your own

562
00:37:01,710 --> 00:37:06,690
hardware. Yeah, it's an it's an
OS. That's what I like about it.

563
00:37:06,720 --> 00:37:09,480
You know? So if you if you just
load this on your own hardware,

564
00:37:09,990 --> 00:37:13,140
it loads like a like an OS, you
I guess you could technically

565
00:37:13,140 --> 00:37:14,280
even run it into Vm.

566
00:37:15,179 --> 00:37:17,069
Dave Jones: I wonder what is
doing under the covers? I wonder

567
00:37:17,069 --> 00:37:20,339
if I would like to, for somebody
to tell me whether I wonder if

568
00:37:20,339 --> 00:37:24,389
it's like flat pack or some sort
of like Nix OS type deal? I

569
00:37:24,389 --> 00:37:26,459
don't know. I don't know. I
would, I would love to, for

570
00:37:26,459 --> 00:37:28,559
somebody to tell me what that's
doing. Because you said it's not

571
00:37:28,559 --> 00:37:29,129
Docker?

572
00:37:29,369 --> 00:37:32,159
Adam Curry: No, no, no, no, it's
they built an actual OS, you do

573
00:37:32,159 --> 00:37:36,059
have to package up your your
application. I'm not quite sure

574
00:37:36,059 --> 00:37:39,719
what that means. But we got
helipad on there we have IPFS

575
00:37:39,809 --> 00:37:43,469
podcasting that's on there,
which I've also learned

576
00:37:43,469 --> 00:37:50,189
something about. So IPFS it
seems that now kind of the way

577
00:37:50,189 --> 00:37:53,759
to do things since the IPFS
protocol, although supported in

578
00:37:53,759 --> 00:37:57,659
some browsers, you know, and
clearly no app said, Oh, Adam,

579
00:37:57,659 --> 00:38:03,149
we love what you're doing, we're
gonna implement that. So they

580
00:38:03,179 --> 00:38:08,519
use now they use different exit,
what is it called gateways? And

581
00:38:08,549 --> 00:38:11,909
so it has a list of gateways,
and then it'll switch around so

582
00:38:11,909 --> 00:38:17,069
that you know, all the load does
it go to one gateway? So it's

583
00:38:17,069 --> 00:38:22,139
HTTP out, even though it kind of
lives in this IPFS space.

584
00:38:22,710 --> 00:38:24,570
Dave Jones: So that means like,
when you say gateway, you're

585
00:38:24,570 --> 00:38:26,910
talking about like, why
Cloudflare runs?

586
00:38:26,940 --> 00:38:29,940
Adam Curry: Well, like ipfs.io?
Oh, yeah, I guess doesn't

587
00:38:29,940 --> 00:38:34,020
Cloudflare also run an IPFS?
Gateway? Yeah,

588
00:38:34,050 --> 00:38:35,850
Dave Jones: I think they do. I
wasn't familiar with the term

589
00:38:35,850 --> 00:38:37,290
gateway. But I think I think

590
00:38:37,290 --> 00:38:39,870
Adam Curry: it's called the gay
that what that is, yeah. So you

591
00:38:39,870 --> 00:38:41,850
can pull it out. You can can
pull anything out, as long as

592
00:38:41,850 --> 00:38:45,300
you have the hash, you can pull
it out of there on HTTP, or

593
00:38:45,300 --> 00:38:49,590
HTTPS, whatever it is. Yeah.
Which is interesting. Now, of

594
00:38:49,590 --> 00:38:55,020
course, and I know that Cameron
was talking to Steven B to

595
00:38:55,020 --> 00:38:58,650
implement this into sovereign
feeds, where I would publish,

596
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:05,220
and then it would, they would
ping IPFS get the hash, ping it

597
00:39:05,220 --> 00:39:09,060
bring it back in, add that into
an alternate enclosure. What I

598
00:39:09,060 --> 00:39:11,460
would like it to be of course it
just why not just straight up? I

599
00:39:11,460 --> 00:39:14,130
mean, I'd love to I'd love to
stress tested I'd love to try

600
00:39:14,430 --> 00:39:19,770
just an IPFS link, but I have to
create the the actual feed with

601
00:39:19,770 --> 00:39:25,560
the enclosure first before I can
get it out of IPFS podcasting as

602
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:28,830
an IPFS file. That makes sense.

603
00:39:29,550 --> 00:39:33,990
Dave Jones: Yes, so does IPA
does the IPF IPFS podcast you

604
00:39:33,990 --> 00:39:37,650
running it on your star nine
right now? Yes, I am. So does

605
00:39:37,650 --> 00:39:42,540
that app create? Does it try to
serve the feed and the enclosure

606
00:39:42,540 --> 00:39:44,430
over IPFS or just the enclosure?

607
00:39:44,940 --> 00:39:50,610
Adam Curry: Ah, hold on. That's
a good question. I think IPFS

608
00:39:50,610 --> 00:39:56,250
podcast if I'm not mistaken. I
think IPFS podcasting.net

609
00:39:56,250 --> 00:40:02,280
creates an IPFS podcasting.net
Feed I believe let me say, let

610
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:06,960
me just. And then from that,
which I don't think that parts

611
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:10,200
host, and when we did have
camera on me, I'm struggling

612
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:13,500
here to explain the stuff that
I've just been running it and I

613
00:40:13,500 --> 00:40:16,350
just see that people are using
it. But I think ultimately you

614
00:40:16,350 --> 00:40:22,860
can subscribe to a you can
subscribe to an IPFS RSS feed. I

615
00:40:22,860 --> 00:40:27,510
think that's that's a Cameron's
vision there. And let me see

616
00:40:27,510 --> 00:40:32,670
IPFS
podcasting.net/rss/podcasting 2.0

617
00:40:32,670 --> 00:40:37,290
dot XML. So creates a new RSS
feed and in that RSS feed it

618
00:40:37,290 --> 00:40:40,980
has, so maybe that's the way to
do it. Just subscribe to it that

619
00:40:40,980 --> 00:40:46,200
way. And then and you know, and
then it will just it'll work I

620
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:48,750
guess. I should try that.

621
00:40:51,330 --> 00:40:52,290
Dave Jones: It'll it'll work,

622
00:40:52,319 --> 00:40:57,059
Adam Curry: I guess. I guess. I
can submit this feed to the to

623
00:40:57,059 --> 00:41:00,509
the index. It's just it'll show
up. I don't think it'll show up.

624
00:41:00,509 --> 00:41:04,199
As it'll won't say IPFS version
will probably just be a replica

625
00:41:04,199 --> 00:41:07,559
be a dupe which will come suck.
Let me see what

626
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:11,880
Dave Jones: the. And it's funny
because I'm almost like a purist

627
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:18,960
with this. Where it's almost
like I don't want to do IPFS at

628
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:23,670
all, unless you can do all all
IPFS all the way down to the

629
00:41:23,670 --> 00:41:27,840
bottom, like seed enclosure, all
of it. Yeah, what I understand

630
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:30,870
that your feeds still come in
from HTTP in your enclosures are

631
00:41:30,870 --> 00:41:34,020
from IPFS? I don't know, it
seems, it seems like a cheat.

632
00:41:34,050 --> 00:41:36,210
No, they're not saying it is.
But it seems that Well, they're

633
00:41:36,210 --> 00:41:41,160
Adam Curry: both they're both
going to come over HTTP. Yeah.

634
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:45,540
So the, the title of the feed
remains the same party. So it's

635
00:41:45,540 --> 00:41:48,330
just copied one for one, the
only thing that changes is the

636
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:57,030
enclosure URLs. And so there you
get a hash, but it's not it's

637
00:41:57,030 --> 00:42:00,570
not an IPFS protocol. It's the
HTTP protocol and it has one of

638
00:42:00,570 --> 00:42:11,760
those revolving gateways. Okay,
which is, which basically makes

639
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:18,360
you rely on you know, rely on
the rest of the world. I guess.

640
00:42:18,870 --> 00:42:26,130
Yeah, so here it is. Um, oh,
wow. Okay, I'm sorry. Take that

641
00:42:26,130 --> 00:42:30,810
back. He must have done some
upgrading. Check this out. So in

642
00:42:30,810 --> 00:42:35,490
this feed that is created from
IPFS podcasting.net The

643
00:42:35,490 --> 00:42:42,300
enclosure has an HTTPS I IPFS
podcasting.net/ipfs as a gateway

644
00:42:42,300 --> 00:42:48,780
then a hash for the mp3 and then
has an alternate enclosure. Oh,

645
00:42:48,810 --> 00:42:50,760
hello with IPFS

646
00:42:51,210 --> 00:42:52,230
Dave Jones: Where are you seeing
this

647
00:42:52,530 --> 00:42:56,850
Adam Curry: in my feet in the in
the podcasting 2.0 Feed. Oh,

648
00:42:56,850 --> 00:43:01,980
really? Almost. I'm gonna give
this to you right now. I'm gonna

649
00:43:01,980 --> 00:43:04,920
jack this into the trap chat
room too. There you go. Chat

650
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:06,900
Room. Oh, does that oh, that

651
00:43:06,989 --> 00:43:09,929
Dave Jones: that's a file link.
Yeah, that will work. On your D

652
00:43:10,259 --> 00:43:10,769
drive.

653
00:43:11,489 --> 00:43:13,169
Adam Curry: Everyone talked to
my D drive for a minute.

654
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:17,850
Unknown: Everybody see the file
just go back

655
00:43:17,849 --> 00:43:20,249
Adam Curry: slash he made me
sound like a douche. Alright,

656
00:43:20,249 --> 00:43:26,459
hold on. That's all right. Hey,
I used to have a D drive. Okay.

657
00:43:26,730 --> 00:43:31,290
Dave Jones: Yes. Oh there too.
Okay, here we go. Happy offense

658
00:43:31,290 --> 00:43:34,050
podcasting. Done it. opened this
link

659
00:43:36,240 --> 00:43:37,350
Adam Curry: Yeah, it'll probably
do well,

660
00:43:37,349 --> 00:43:39,239
Dave Jones: let's see me excuse
me got a style sheet with him.

661
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:42,659
Yeah, baby. Yeah, well, I'm just
vertical.

662
00:43:43,290 --> 00:43:47,550
Adam Curry: So you know, maybe
we just throw that into the into

663
00:43:47,550 --> 00:43:51,210
the index as a as a secondary
feed except it would have to

664
00:43:51,210 --> 00:43:55,260
have a different title. But it
updates on the fly. It updates

665
00:43:55,260 --> 00:43:58,560
whenever I update. I don't know.
I might even be listening to pod

666
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:02,430
ping for all I know. No cameras
cameras out there.

667
00:44:03,420 --> 00:44:06,810
Dave Jones: Let's see I see it.
Puck is he has got everything is

668
00:44:06,810 --> 00:44:10,800
got everything in it. Let's see.
That's the lettuce. It's got the

669
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:14,700
it's got to live it. Where's
this? Where's the alternate

670
00:44:14,700 --> 00:44:17,700
enclosure? Okay, here's here's
the here's the here's the

671
00:44:17,700 --> 00:44:23,220
enclosure. Alternate enclosure.
Hey, yeah. Wow, that's, that's

672
00:44:23,220 --> 00:44:23,940
pretty rad.

673
00:44:23,940 --> 00:44:26,910
Adam Curry: So I look at his
stats here. 74 IPFS nodes

674
00:44:26,910 --> 00:44:32,970
hosting 15,250 episodes from 331
feeds worldwide. Currently.

675
00:44:33,510 --> 00:44:35,820
There's something here and the
fact that it's using alternate

676
00:44:35,820 --> 00:44:38,100
enclosure is kind of badass.

677
00:44:39,540 --> 00:44:45,690
Dave Jones: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah,
I've I feel bad because I just

678
00:44:45,690 --> 00:44:49,980
jettisoned my whole concept of
IPFS. But when we had such a

679
00:44:49,980 --> 00:44:53,580
problem with delivering the
database that way, yeah, it had

680
00:44:53,580 --> 00:44:57,720
to kind of give up on it. But I
don't know maybe I'm stumped. I

681
00:44:57,720 --> 00:44:59,670
was kind of tired of getting
burned by it. So I was just like

682
00:44:59,670 --> 00:45:02,670
screw I'm not doing this
anymore. I hear ya, I hear Yeah,

683
00:45:02,670 --> 00:45:05,970
but maybe maybe it's time to go
back and visit that and see how

684
00:45:05,970 --> 00:45:07,080
reliable it is.

685
00:45:07,170 --> 00:45:09,900
Adam Curry: I mean, the stuff
works. I mean, you hit one of

686
00:45:09,900 --> 00:45:12,900
those enclosure links, it'll,
it'll, it'll work. It's pretty

687
00:45:12,900 --> 00:45:16,650
quick. I haven't had any issues.
I mean, I'd like to try it with

688
00:45:16,650 --> 00:45:18,390
no agenda, she would happens
yeah.

689
00:45:23,699 --> 00:45:25,889
Dave Jones: You're always gonna
have some nut some nut jobs out

690
00:45:25,889 --> 00:45:27,269
there that are willing to try
this stuff.

691
00:45:28,949 --> 00:45:31,169
Adam Curry: I'm just saying
that, you know, when I think of,

692
00:45:31,199 --> 00:45:35,429
you know, combining sovereign
feeds with IPFS podcasting, I

693
00:45:35,429 --> 00:45:37,589
don't know, you know, just I
just feels like there's

694
00:45:37,589 --> 00:45:41,999
something there feels like new
for people who want to who want

695
00:45:41,999 --> 00:45:48,119
to live free and independent.
And you have this dashboard that

696
00:45:48,119 --> 00:45:51,059
Steven B is building is
beautiful. And this is this is

697
00:45:51,059 --> 00:45:54,869
serious. This is serious little
tool here. Which as I said, if

698
00:45:54,869 --> 00:45:58,499
it goes away, my life is over. I
mean, I lose a lot here. I

699
00:45:58,499 --> 00:45:58,979
learned we

700
00:45:58,980 --> 00:46:00,870
Dave Jones: have to man do we
have key man insurance? You

701
00:46:00,870 --> 00:46:01,290
gotta we

702
00:46:01,290 --> 00:46:04,050
Adam Curry: better keep man
insurance. I love key man

703
00:46:04,050 --> 00:46:07,620
insurance. Yeah. So

704
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:12,600
Dave Jones: that was phase six
is in the can officially

705
00:46:12,659 --> 00:46:14,669
Adam Curry: no one was the
voting.

706
00:46:15,599 --> 00:46:18,479
Dave Jones: It happened very
quickly. You so fast you didn't.

707
00:46:20,070 --> 00:46:23,370
Adam Curry: Okay, so we have in
phase six in the camp and I saw

708
00:46:23,370 --> 00:46:27,510
someone post on podcast index
dot social that they were all

709
00:46:27,510 --> 00:46:29,910
working on stuff that has
nothing to do with phase six.

710
00:46:33,210 --> 00:46:35,130
Dave Jones: Nothing's nothing's
ever good enough for you.

711
00:46:36,690 --> 00:46:39,360
Adam Curry: So what do we have?
For sure for sure in phase six

712
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:39,690
now?

713
00:46:40,530 --> 00:46:43,530
Dave Jones: Oh, you caught me.
You caught me off guard. Yeah, I

714
00:46:43,530 --> 00:46:45,060
Adam Curry: mean, I don't want
to I don't want to turn this

715
00:46:45,060 --> 00:46:48,060
into any hot namespace talk. But
if he could just get a,

716
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:51,570
Dave Jones: you don't want to
turn it into that? Well, I want

717
00:46:51,570 --> 00:46:52,410
to turn it into that.

718
00:46:52,739 --> 00:46:53,909
Adam Curry: Okay, if you want
that.

719
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:59,190
Unknown: And now it's time for
someone to be hot namespace talk

720
00:46:59,190 --> 00:47:00,000
the switch.

721
00:47:01,650 --> 00:47:03,510
Adam Curry: Dim the lights now.

722
00:47:03,989 --> 00:47:09,869
Dave Jones: darks. namespace?
Let's see what we got here. We

723
00:47:09,869 --> 00:47:18,299
got a TXT record. A remote item.
Pod roll, update frequency, pod

724
00:47:18,299 --> 00:47:22,829
ping. And value time split.
Nice. Yes. Those are the

725
00:47:23,069 --> 00:47:25,709
inductees into the face. That's
some

726
00:47:25,710 --> 00:47:30,540
Adam Curry: big stuff. So roll
by him again. So it's pod roll.

727
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:37,350
Dave Jones: No t x t x t. Remote
item, which is huge. Be a pod

728
00:47:37,350 --> 00:47:39,600
roll. Pod roll, which uses
remote?

729
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:40,799
Adam Curry: Yep. Yeah.

730
00:47:43,290 --> 00:47:44,370
Dave Jones: Date frequent
frequency?

731
00:47:44,849 --> 00:47:47,339
Adam Curry: It tell me about
this one. What is I've seen this

732
00:47:47,339 --> 00:47:50,489
combine I'm like, Haha, my eyes
glazed over. I'm like, I don't

733
00:47:50,489 --> 00:47:52,469
think I need this. What is
update frequency?

734
00:47:53,099 --> 00:47:57,239
Dave Jones: You can use this
though. So this is I kind of

735
00:47:57,239 --> 00:48:01,859
like I kind of liked this tag.
It first I was I was like, well,

736
00:48:01,859 --> 00:48:07,709
we and we've got pod pain that
needs to be the future. Why do

737
00:48:07,709 --> 00:48:12,149
we need to start specifying
update frequency. But then the

738
00:48:12,149 --> 00:48:14,549
more you think about it, the
more you can see the use case

739
00:48:14,549 --> 00:48:18,269
here. In the world case, in the
world of pod pain, you may not

740
00:48:18,269 --> 00:48:24,749
necessarily need to know when a
think part of the problem is I'm

741
00:48:24,749 --> 00:48:27,689
thinking always only and only
sort of sometimes as an

742
00:48:27,689 --> 00:48:33,059
aggregator. I'm not thinking as
a normal person. Like Newsflash,

743
00:48:34,559 --> 00:48:40,019
nobody knows that already. So
the but then if you if you step

744
00:48:40,019 --> 00:48:43,019
away from that for a second, you
see the utility there because

745
00:48:43,259 --> 00:48:51,029
what you can say is you, for
instance, you could signal that

746
00:48:51,029 --> 00:48:56,279
a podcast is about to come up is
about to release. So he says the

747
00:48:56,279 --> 00:49:00,899
new podcast, here's the trailer,
or a teaser episode, but really,

748
00:49:00,929 --> 00:49:03,959
but but we're this is going to
be we're going to release on a

749
00:49:03,959 --> 00:49:08,489
cadence. And so you know, in
advance, each time each time an

750
00:49:08,489 --> 00:49:10,709
episode is going to drop or
something like that, like you

751
00:49:10,709 --> 00:49:14,009
could say this is a way to
signal to the world. When you

752
00:49:14,009 --> 00:49:17,939
they can expect these episodes
to come out. Even as even though

753
00:49:17,939 --> 00:49:20,489
the aggregator is going to know
when they when they get a pod

754
00:49:20,489 --> 00:49:27,509
paying. This is an that's not a
way you pod painting isn't is

755
00:49:27,509 --> 00:49:31,019
not a descriptive thing. You
know, it doesn't tell you win

756
00:49:31,019 --> 00:49:33,929
some It doesn't tell you when
it's going to happen and when it

757
00:49:33,929 --> 00:49:34,889
does happen, right.

758
00:49:34,890 --> 00:49:37,230
Adam Curry: So and I just got a
link which I've put in the show

759
00:49:37,230 --> 00:49:43,110
notes, the update dash frequency
dot versal dot app. From Nathan

760
00:49:43,110 --> 00:49:46,890
Yes, he's very snappy, but it's
in the show notes. And that

761
00:49:46,950 --> 00:49:50,400
allows you to create the update
frequency tag so you can have

762
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:52,620
that and put it right into your
feed. It's pretty cool shows you

763
00:49:52,620 --> 00:49:53,190
what it is.

764
00:49:53,730 --> 00:49:57,450
Dave Jones: It's very compact. I
like I like this tag. And I see

765
00:49:57,450 --> 00:49:59,970
that Nathan uses the same
marketing department we do so

766
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:00,840
Yes, exactly.

767
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:04,620
Adam Curry: This is something
that actually if if anyone ever

768
00:50:04,620 --> 00:50:12,060
implemented the value block
auto, this would be something

769
00:50:12,060 --> 00:50:17,670
that could be used kind of in
tandem with that. So if I want

770
00:50:17,670 --> 00:50:21,720
to automatically send someone
something when they drop an

771
00:50:21,720 --> 00:50:25,680
episode, for am I just making it
more complicated for myself now?

772
00:50:26,250 --> 00:50:28,710
Dave Jones: No, I see. No, that
would be one way. Yeah, for

773
00:50:28,710 --> 00:50:29,490
sure. I'm just never

774
00:50:29,489 --> 00:50:32,249
Adam Curry: gonna use this iPod
ping. Just listen for my ping

775
00:50:32,249 --> 00:50:33,509
pod. Will you

776
00:50:33,630 --> 00:50:35,490
Dave Jones: hear like, you're
not gonna use it, because

777
00:50:35,490 --> 00:50:38,610
everybody knows when you do your
thing, but but at the same time,

778
00:50:38,610 --> 00:50:41,070
it can be done in a programmatic
way. I mean, you could put this

779
00:50:41,070 --> 00:50:44,760
tag easily into your feed. You
can say, here's the dates that

780
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:47,970
we release episodes, and then
apps could show it.

781
00:50:48,389 --> 00:50:51,029
Adam Curry: Oh, yeah, they could
have they could highlight it.

782
00:50:51,059 --> 00:50:52,319
They can do stuff like that.

783
00:50:52,770 --> 00:50:56,130
Dave Jones: Yeah, exact. So like
you could say, we release on

784
00:50:56,130 --> 00:50:58,410
Thursdays and Fridays, every
Thursday and Friday for no

785
00:50:58,410 --> 00:51:01,440
agenda or week. This show
releases every Friday afternoon.

786
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:04,890
Adam Curry: Okay, so yeah, okay.
Yeah, it's more aggregator side.

787
00:51:04,890 --> 00:51:05,940
But yeah, I can see where that
would

788
00:51:06,060 --> 00:51:08,580
Dave Jones: be. That's the thing
is, it's not aggregator side.

789
00:51:09,210 --> 00:51:11,610
That's what confused me to see.
You're thinking like an

790
00:51:11,610 --> 00:51:16,530
aggregator? I'm sorry. Stop you
thinking like an aggregator?

791
00:51:16,530 --> 00:51:18,450
Like, I wasn't. That's the
that's the confusing thing.

792
00:51:18,660 --> 00:51:22,650
Like, it's about telling. Nature
says it's about telling the

793
00:51:22,650 --> 00:51:26,670
listener? Yeah. Yeah. So look at
look at what podcast app like

794
00:51:26,670 --> 00:51:30,630
overcast does, where on the
podcast description page. He

795
00:51:30,630 --> 00:51:34,200
puts in there, this little blurb
that says releases on Friday

796
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:39,900
afternoons. That is him
programmatically running through

797
00:51:39,900 --> 00:51:45,270
his database and in in figuring
that out on the fly so that he

798
00:51:45,270 --> 00:51:49,110
can then tell the listener when
the show normally releases in

799
00:51:49,110 --> 00:51:51,660
this, this is a way that this
you can just do it yourself as

800
00:51:51,660 --> 00:51:55,560
the podcast or not have to rely
on all these antics of database,

801
00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:57,960
you know, manipulation to figure
it out.

802
00:51:58,590 --> 00:52:02,580
Adam Curry: Got it? Okay. Yeah,
that's all it was, was more me

803
00:52:02,580 --> 00:52:05,340
telling the apps to show
something that could be

804
00:52:05,340 --> 00:52:07,110
translated to something for
listeners?

805
00:52:07,860 --> 00:52:10,380
Dave Jones: Yeah, it lets it's
like it's like you providing

806
00:52:10,380 --> 00:52:14,160
your own TV Guide. Yeah. Okay.
Well, that makes sense. To the

807
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:18,030
listener. Yeah. You're letting
him know. Who proposed this to

808
00:52:18,030 --> 00:52:23,190
Nathan, Nathan gathright. And
this is baby. Okay, cool. All

809
00:52:23,190 --> 00:52:27,240
right. Yeah. And it uses a
really compact frequency

810
00:52:27,240 --> 00:52:29,850
description language. Would you
guys

811
00:52:29,850 --> 00:52:32,280
Adam Curry: yes, I can see that.
Okay, I approve this as fine.

812
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:35,609
Dave Jones: Thanks. Did you is
that a yes. Vote for me? That's

813
00:52:35,609 --> 00:52:35,669
a

814
00:52:35,670 --> 00:52:38,670
Adam Curry: yes. By the way. I
have to thank who put the ISO

815
00:52:38,670 --> 00:52:41,310
bought dot dev page together who
did this?

816
00:52:42,630 --> 00:52:43,560
Dave Jones: What is ISO button?

817
00:52:43,860 --> 00:52:47,880
Adam Curry: Oh my goodness. Go
to ISO bought dot Dev. Every

818
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:51,120
single item, every single ISO
that has been created in the

819
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:56,550
chat room. Yes. Now it's hard
coded walk factor particularly

820
00:52:56,550 --> 00:53:00,300
for this is anything you want.
That we've said that someone

821
00:53:00,300 --> 00:53:04,140
ISOs is now available on this
ISO bought dot Dev. This is

822
00:53:04,140 --> 00:53:05,010
phenomenal.

823
00:53:05,130 --> 00:53:06,570
Dave Jones: I disapprove of
this. I

824
00:53:06,570 --> 00:53:09,600
Adam Curry: think. I think what
do you think is orrible? I did

825
00:53:09,630 --> 00:53:11,130
think it's a great idea.

826
00:53:12,270 --> 00:53:14,670
Dave Jones: I do not want to be
on the record and an easily

827
00:53:14,670 --> 00:53:18,540
searchable indexable fashion for
crap that I said on the show

828
00:53:18,540 --> 00:53:18,660
that

829
00:53:18,690 --> 00:53:22,770
Adam Curry: you do not want to
go look@bing.io? For sure. Have

830
00:53:22,770 --> 00:53:25,530
you seen that? Have you seen
what we've done there?

831
00:53:26,429 --> 00:53:29,039
Dave Jones: I played with being
it.io for the first time the

832
00:53:29,039 --> 00:53:31,139
other day, that is a phenomenal
resource.

833
00:53:31,169 --> 00:53:35,699
Adam Curry: So this is Sir de
nonnamous Apparently his his

834
00:53:35,699 --> 00:53:38,969
company would you know I guess
this his own company goes into

835
00:53:38,969 --> 00:53:42,809
businesses and says okay, we'll
take your millions of documents

836
00:53:42,809 --> 00:53:44,849
and data, whatever, and we'll
put it into something you can

837
00:53:44,849 --> 00:53:49,079
actually find stuff. So you
know, knowing that everything I

838
00:53:49,079 --> 00:53:52,229
produce comes from the freedom
controller, which by default

839
00:53:52,229 --> 00:53:58,469
outputs XML, either an OPML or
RSS included in that every

840
00:53:58,469 --> 00:54:04,259
single Thank you, Dred Scott,
almost every single transcript

841
00:54:04,259 --> 00:54:07,109
for every single show this I
think it's like 20 or 25 that

842
00:54:07,109 --> 00:54:10,229
have to either be done or
redone. Then I'm kind of waiting

843
00:54:10,229 --> 00:54:17,909
for for transcribe.fm to come
online. With cuz I just I just

844
00:54:17,909 --> 00:54:21,629
want to try it with that. I
mean, you literally I found

845
00:54:21,629 --> 00:54:25,649
stuff that. I know we talked
about it. You know, I know I

846
00:54:25,649 --> 00:54:29,219
talked about this 10 years ago,
you typed in a couple of terms,

847
00:54:29,249 --> 00:54:32,759
boom, there it is. Click on the
link. I hear myself saying it.

848
00:54:33,270 --> 00:54:36,150
Dave Jones: Does this now does
this cover podcasting 2.0 shows

849
00:54:36,150 --> 00:54:36,630
as well, but

850
00:54:37,349 --> 00:54:40,199
Adam Curry: that was only no
agenda. But we can do the same

851
00:54:40,199 --> 00:54:42,929
because we have the exact same
data for podcast I think Moe

852
00:54:42,929 --> 00:54:46,049
facts is going to be great when
you do that one. Oh, yeah,

853
00:54:46,049 --> 00:54:48,779
that's a great one. And again,
Dr. I think that every single

854
00:54:48,779 --> 00:54:52,169
show turn it into a transcript
transcripts are incredibly

855
00:54:52,169 --> 00:54:57,629
valuable. And, and then so being
it.io If anyone wants to see how

856
00:54:57,629 --> 00:55:01,229
this works, you know just
because just because I'm not I'm

857
00:55:01,229 --> 00:55:05,189
not a genius, but because of the
freedom controller creating

858
00:55:05,189 --> 00:55:10,679
everything in OPML and then
creating making a backup copy of

859
00:55:10,679 --> 00:55:14,519
every single article we've ever
used almost every single article

860
00:55:14,519 --> 00:55:18,059
we've ever used in the show
notes. So no just strips out

861
00:55:18,059 --> 00:55:22,769
everything is just a text copy.
And I'd say we have 90% Probably

862
00:55:22,769 --> 00:55:24,749
because there's a lot of stuff
that you just can't strip out

863
00:55:24,749 --> 00:55:28,289
just won't work or it fails or
whatever. Over time probably

864
00:55:28,289 --> 00:55:32,519
total about 90 Also all the
clips all the mp3 and when I

865
00:55:32,519 --> 00:55:35,909
upload those that uploaded in a
specific directory, so he kind

866
00:55:35,909 --> 00:55:39,869
of knows he's put some fuzzy
search logic in there for the

867
00:55:39,869 --> 00:55:41,579
divorce hack misspellings

868
00:55:45,030 --> 00:55:46,050
Dave Jones: that's funny and

869
00:55:46,409 --> 00:55:49,829
Adam Curry: and it's I mean it
turns the podcast into something

870
00:55:49,829 --> 00:55:55,859
that a college level graduate
level could use to research

871
00:55:55,859 --> 00:55:59,669
things to find where we were
talking about it then to you

872
00:55:59,669 --> 00:56:03,179
know get the articles even you
know places the right artwork

873
00:56:03,179 --> 00:56:05,879
for that for that but I mean
it's phenomenal with the guys

874
00:56:06,420 --> 00:56:09,270
Dave Jones: so is this open
source or is this him I

875
00:56:09,300 --> 00:56:11,370
Adam Curry: didn't I don't know.

876
00:56:11,730 --> 00:56:15,150
Dave Jones: Because I wonder if
it contains AI and data dust?

877
00:56:15,270 --> 00:56:19,080
Adam Curry: Oh yeah, no, it's I
told him to put AI on the top I

878
00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:21,840
told him to put that in there so
let me see it says about data

879
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:24,810
Dave Jones: dust does it have
data does I'll ask him to add

880
00:56:24,810 --> 00:56:25,050
that

881
00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:28,260
Adam Curry: it definitely should
it just no agenda AI search

882
00:56:29,910 --> 00:56:31,530
they'll ask him to add data
dust.

883
00:56:33,030 --> 00:56:35,460
Dave Jones: What be knows what
pod chaser added some data dust

884
00:56:35,700 --> 00:56:38,640
there to that type of thing.
Have you seen their data dust by

885
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:39,960
the way the similar tab

886
00:56:39,989 --> 00:56:42,809
Adam Curry: pod chaser I mean so
that's the new that's the new

887
00:56:42,809 --> 00:56:45,989
new thing that Spotify is new
business model with podcast is

888
00:56:45,989 --> 00:56:47,219
pod chaser. I think that's

889
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:51,000
Dave Jones: known no pod chasers
the thing that a cast ball pod

890
00:56:51,030 --> 00:56:53,340
pod chasers better have
something different what

891
00:56:53,340 --> 00:56:56,790
Adam Curry: is pod pod chaser Do
you know whenever I honestly

892
00:56:56,790 --> 00:57:00,930
whenever I hear pod chaser is
gonna sound weird. It sounds

893
00:57:00,930 --> 00:57:02,910
like a like a porn thing

894
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:05,340
Unknown: yeah

895
00:57:06,780 --> 00:57:10,290
Adam Curry: where the where the
pod chases we go around town we

896
00:57:10,290 --> 00:57:14,100
get pods when we change we taste
the pods and then we make them

897
00:57:14,100 --> 00:57:17,910
strip on camera just weird weird
weird. Okay pod chaser. What

898
00:57:17,910 --> 00:57:18,330
does it do?

899
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:21,840
Dave Jones: Yeah just punch so
good Good apart chester.com This

900
00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:24,810
is This is AI this is your AI
and your day to dust

901
00:57:27,210 --> 00:57:29,490
Adam Curry: they say data dust
please tell me

902
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:33,720
Dave Jones: the guy said that
during the interview sprinkle

903
00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:34,320
some data does

904
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:38,220
Adam Curry: your daily source
daily source for podcast

905
00:57:38,220 --> 00:57:41,520
discovery oh I need to discover
a new podcast every day I guess.

906
00:57:41,850 --> 00:57:44,370
Dave Jones: Yes it look go
search for this show search for

907
00:57:44,370 --> 00:57:51,360
podcasting 2.0 and then click
and so this is this is your a is

908
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:55,890
AI like a state of the art with
AI go to the similar tab over

909
00:57:55,890 --> 00:58:01,650
there in the right. They have
determined with a eyes that are

910
00:58:01,650 --> 00:58:03,270
similar to our show.

911
00:58:04,139 --> 00:58:08,909
Adam Curry: I have similar okay
similar she liked podcasting 2.0

912
00:58:08,909 --> 00:58:12,209
You might like these similar
podcasts Breaking Point was

913
00:58:12,209 --> 00:58:16,919
Stephanie Conway the connected
Caroline show the podcast

914
00:58:16,919 --> 00:58:18,869
ambassador with Gary Leland

915
00:58:20,040 --> 00:58:22,860
Dave Jones: well you Aryan brown
bag what is that?

916
00:58:22,889 --> 00:58:25,709
Adam Curry: Wait I don't have
the Bavarian brown bag take your

917
00:58:25,709 --> 00:58:26,999
show stuff random

918
00:58:27,659 --> 00:58:33,239
Dave Jones: the Mentor Project
okay it's your it's your dad but

919
00:58:33,269 --> 00:58:37,949
this is the most important no go
back to about a boot up go to a

920
00:58:37,949 --> 00:58:40,859
boot and look where did they get
this picture of you?

921
00:58:41,820 --> 00:58:43,230
Adam Curry: Oh that's
interesting because it has

922
00:58:43,230 --> 00:58:46,230
nothing to do it's not the
picture that we use in our feed

923
00:58:46,350 --> 00:58:49,920
and what was this picture of you
is the cartoon we have no face

924
00:58:50,370 --> 00:58:53,250
it well that's what I really
look like. I'm sorry, the

925
00:58:53,250 --> 00:58:54,360
faceless Jones

926
00:58:57,239 --> 00:59:00,509
Dave Jones: Hmm I don't know
where they get this picture from

927
00:59:00,509 --> 00:59:03,659
it almost looks like it's from
Podcast Movement. Let me see

928
00:59:03,659 --> 00:59:06,389
this picture. I love it. I don't
remember you wearing that

929
00:59:06,389 --> 00:59:06,989
jacket.

930
00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:12,990
Adam Curry: That's very very old
that's very old. I don't know

931
00:59:15,810 --> 00:59:18,660
Dave Jones: man it's not coming
from any say dude that you have

932
00:59:18,660 --> 00:59:23,190
I don't think of yourself and
anything you

933
00:59:23,190 --> 00:59:24,750
Adam Curry: know that's very
goofy looking.

934
00:59:26,849 --> 00:59:27,929
Dave Jones: Not as goofy as
mine.

935
00:59:29,190 --> 00:59:31,650
Adam Curry: I mean how goofy can
be when you have no face it's

936
00:59:31,650 --> 00:59:32,880
okay yeah, this is like

937
00:59:33,300 --> 00:59:34,860
Dave Jones: your post up

938
00:59:36,780 --> 00:59:39,840
Adam Curry: oh stop all right.
Well, can't we find this in the

939
00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:41,220
image Google later

940
00:59:42,210 --> 00:59:43,230
Dave Jones: that's a good idea.

941
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:44,640
Adam Curry: Oh, second let me
see.

942
00:59:45,150 --> 00:59:47,550
Dave Jones: Does this this may
be aI they may have pulled this

943
00:59:47,550 --> 00:59:49,830
out of AI that may not even be
you Lee's

944
00:59:49,860 --> 00:59:52,650
Adam Curry: so insulting. Okay,
let's see. I'm dragging my

945
00:59:52,650 --> 00:59:59,700
picture. Oops. Oh, my D drive
again. Here we go. Upload. Let

946
00:59:59,700 --> 01:00:07,530
me see Visual matches. Wow. That
was from it's from the Dutch

947
01:00:07,650 --> 01:00:16,890
newspaper headline in Adam curry
married again. Now this could be

948
01:00:16,890 --> 01:00:19,770
from several different periods
in my life so I'm not quite sure

949
01:00:19,770 --> 01:00:20,940
what the date is

950
01:00:21,479 --> 01:00:23,579
Dave Jones: 20 recent Does that
just mean it No.

951
01:00:26,219 --> 01:00:29,669
Adam Curry: May 20 2019. So they
took it from it's it's actually

952
01:00:29,669 --> 01:00:32,849
copyrighted material by the
newspaper.

953
01:00:33,599 --> 01:00:36,749
Dave Jones: Oh, Lord. That's
your that's your chat GPT API.

954
01:00:36,780 --> 01:00:40,560
Adam Curry: There you go. There
you go. Yeah. Data, dust data

955
01:00:40,560 --> 01:00:40,980
dust at

956
01:00:40,980 --> 01:00:44,220
Dave Jones: work. All right.
Well, Alex said, Alex said Stop

957
01:00:44,220 --> 01:00:46,440
touching your D drive during the
show. I'm sorry.

958
01:00:50,190 --> 01:00:53,760
Adam Curry: Okay, okay. Well,
great. I'm so happy that

959
01:00:54,449 --> 01:00:56,099
Dave Jones: I just wanted to
bring that up. Because that's

960
01:00:56,099 --> 01:00:59,369
the, you know, the AI is the
infatuation with podcasting now,

961
01:00:59,369 --> 01:01:03,239
and this is the quality product
that you get with, with AI and

962
01:01:03,239 --> 01:01:05,189
machine AI ml. Yeah.

963
01:01:05,310 --> 01:01:10,200
Adam Curry: Yeah. I mean, I
don't even know where to start

964
01:01:10,470 --> 01:01:15,300
with all that. It's just like,
No, it's just No, it's all of

965
01:01:15,300 --> 01:01:20,640
it's just, I mean, I played some
clips from Noah Harare. You

966
01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:26,010
know, this guy is. He's the,
he's the World Economic Forum

967
01:01:26,010 --> 01:01:30,480
guy, that he He's written
several books that all the

968
01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:33,540
elites love about the future,
and we're all going to die.

969
01:01:33,540 --> 01:01:34,920
Dave Jones: transhumanist Whoa,

970
01:01:34,949 --> 01:01:39,449
Adam Curry: yeah. Yeah, in a way
he is. Okay. And he was

971
01:01:39,449 --> 01:01:43,709
interviewed about AI and maybe
worth just playing these for

972
01:01:43,709 --> 01:01:46,439
silence. They're not really
long. It's like a minute each.

973
01:01:46,679 --> 01:01:51,779
So he's talking to this hosts
about AI. And, you know, and,

974
01:01:51,959 --> 01:01:55,949
and how, how it's going to eat
the world is basically the idea

975
01:01:55,979 --> 01:01:56,729
is listen to this

976
01:01:56,849 --> 01:02:01,049
Unknown: AI is now at the stage,
like of I don't know, amoebas.

977
01:02:02,159 --> 01:02:06,539
It's like 4 billion years ago,
and the first living organisms

978
01:02:06,539 --> 01:02:13,739
are crawling out of the organic
soup. And so Chad GPT and all

979
01:02:13,739 --> 01:02:18,089
these wonders, they are the
amoebas of the AI world. What

980
01:02:18,119 --> 01:02:25,589
would T Rex look like? And how
long would it take for the AI

981
01:02:25,589 --> 01:02:30,059
amoebas to evolve into the T
rexes? Waste? And

982
01:02:30,510 --> 01:02:36,300
Dave Jones: this is, this is the
gut. This is like the skip logic

983
01:02:36,480 --> 01:02:42,450
COBOL guy. This is this is the
same type of crap. Like one of

984
01:02:42,450 --> 01:02:44,910
those guys that just gets paid
to talk about stuff that he

985
01:02:44,910 --> 01:02:45,990
barely understands.

986
01:02:46,290 --> 01:02:51,570
Adam Curry: Well, yeah, yeah, in
a way. He's a future futurist.

987
01:02:51,660 --> 01:02:55,110
Yeah. Well, no Harare, he wrote
a very famous, he wrote a couple

988
01:02:55,110 --> 01:03:00,330
of famous books. But the one
that was his best seller that

989
01:03:00,330 --> 01:03:06,090
got him into the elite circles.
Let me see. I think it's sapiens

990
01:03:06,090 --> 01:03:09,750
is what it's called a brief
history of humankind. Okay.

991
01:03:10,440 --> 01:03:15,780
Very, very famous book. I think
Sam Sethi for some reason. Sam

992
01:03:15,780 --> 01:03:18,210
Sethi I think might have had
posted this. This is a great

993
01:03:18,210 --> 01:03:18,630
book.

994
01:03:19,770 --> 01:03:23,340
Dave Jones: Is so he's like a
Malcolm Gladwell kind of guy.

995
01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:28,440
Adam Curry: Only bald and scary,
too. Yeah. So his other ones

996
01:03:28,440 --> 01:03:34,830
were homo DOS, Deus, I guess a
brief history of tomorrow. 21

997
01:03:34,830 --> 01:03:38,790
lessons for the 21st century.
His writings examined freewill

998
01:03:38,790 --> 01:03:41,130
consciousness intelligence. So
he's the guy that's out there

999
01:03:41,130 --> 01:03:44,610
saying we've got to get
universal basic income because

1000
01:03:44,640 --> 01:03:48,330
AI is going to eat everyone's
job that's that's basically his

1001
01:03:48,720 --> 01:03:55,230
one of his pitches. So now he's
telling us that chat GPT is AI

1002
01:03:55,260 --> 01:03:58,560
amoeba? What will the T Rex look
like

1003
01:03:58,800 --> 01:04:02,850
Unknown: to evolve into the T
rexes and it wants to take

1004
01:04:03,120 --> 01:04:06,930
billions of years, maybe takes
just a few decades or a few

1005
01:04:06,930 --> 01:04:13,410
years? Because the evolution of
AI is a completely different

1006
01:04:13,410 --> 01:04:17,520
timescale than the evolution of
organic beings. Because AI

1007
01:04:17,520 --> 01:04:24,300
itself works on a different
timescale. AI is always on one

1008
01:04:24,300 --> 01:04:29,070
of the computers in general are
always on humans and other

1009
01:04:29,070 --> 01:04:34,500
organic organisms they live they
exist they developed by cycles.

1010
01:04:35,430 --> 01:04:39,570
We need to rest some time. I
never need to rest.

1011
01:04:39,840 --> 01:04:44,550
Dave Jones: Who's that guy? This
guy making a lot of sense well,

1012
01:04:45,270 --> 01:04:47,640
Adam Curry: so after this, I
actually have a 22nd clip of

1013
01:04:47,640 --> 01:04:51,750
that guy so as the interviewer
and after this Harare does his

1014
01:04:51,750 --> 01:04:55,410
whole his whole spiel here about
you know AI it'll think for

1015
01:04:55,410 --> 01:04:58,080
itself you know, we're all gonna
die it's gonna write its own

1016
01:04:58,080 --> 01:05:00,600
Bible will have its own
religion. We don't Ninetails

1017
01:05:00,930 --> 01:05:03,720
then, then the host says this,

1018
01:05:03,780 --> 01:05:06,990
Unknown: you know, when I was
preparing this interview, I

1019
01:05:07,200 --> 01:05:09,990
wrote down questions that I
would like to ask you and then

1020
01:05:09,990 --> 01:05:15,540
ask chat GBT questions that it
would like to ask you. And I've

1021
01:05:15,540 --> 01:05:18,720
been doing this for a long time.
Okay. 25 years I've been doing

1022
01:05:18,720 --> 01:05:22,950
this and it's questions were
better than mine. I'm gonna be

1023
01:05:22,950 --> 01:05:23,280
honest.

1024
01:05:25,469 --> 01:05:27,689
Adam Curry: Oh, crap, oh, this
guy probably has probably never

1025
01:05:27,689 --> 01:05:30,389
heard of this guy in his 25 year
careers because maybe your

1026
01:05:30,389 --> 01:05:31,709
questions aren't that good.

1027
01:05:33,300 --> 01:05:35,670
Dave Jones: Maybe it's not that
Chechi Beatty is great. Maybe

1028
01:05:35,670 --> 01:05:37,410
it's just really bad at your
job.

1029
01:05:38,520 --> 01:05:39,480
Adam Curry: Oh, man.

1030
01:05:39,540 --> 01:05:43,860
Dave Jones: I mean, this is such
Volker. So So we're, what I love

1031
01:05:43,860 --> 01:05:50,610
is we're gonna. So you know,
James on the latest pod. I would

1032
01:05:50,610 --> 01:05:53,850
almost call it pod land and the
latest pod news weekly Power Pod

1033
01:05:53,850 --> 01:05:58,590
news weekly review on the latest
one of those he said that he now

1034
01:05:58,590 --> 01:06:03,630
takes press releases and dumps
them into Google board and asks

1035
01:06:03,630 --> 01:06:06,810
it to somebody to tell me what
this is saying. So here's what's

1036
01:06:06,810 --> 01:06:10,230
gonna happen. We're all we're
gonna have. We're gonna have

1037
01:06:11,160 --> 01:06:16,080
marketing people, they're going
to put in two sentences and say,

1038
01:06:16,080 --> 01:06:19,260
Please turn this into a press
release, send it out, then the

1039
01:06:19,260 --> 01:06:21,330
press people, then the
journalists are going to get it

1040
01:06:21,330 --> 01:06:23,970
and say, Please turn this back
into something I can understand.

1041
01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:26,760
So it's basically gonna like the
the press release in its

1042
01:06:26,760 --> 01:06:29,970
entirety is just going to be
like a, like one of those tubes

1043
01:06:29,970 --> 01:06:31,410
at the bank when you deposit.

1044
01:06:35,250 --> 01:06:40,530
Adam Curry: Yeah, yeah. I mean,
yeah. You know, just okay. All

1045
01:06:40,530 --> 01:06:44,370
right. I'll wait. I'll wait for
it to turn the T Rex and kill

1046
01:06:44,370 --> 01:06:49,680
everybody and do everybody's
job. And it's like, no, I just

1047
01:06:49,680 --> 01:06:53,520
don't see. I mean, I'm looking
otter now. otter.ai, which I'd

1048
01:06:53,520 --> 01:06:58,680
love to not use. I'd love to pay
in SATs to transcribe.fm. I like

1049
01:06:58,680 --> 01:07:02,430
to take that money. Give it to
him. You know, and I was doing

1050
01:07:02,430 --> 01:07:06,060
summaries. Oh, these are great
for your chapters. I mean, first

1051
01:07:06,060 --> 01:07:09,120
of all, it's a million chapters.
I'd much rather give Dred Scott

1052
01:07:09,120 --> 01:07:14,280
5% of the split. So he can come
up with stolen base. How news

1053
01:07:14,280 --> 01:07:17,700
works in the United United
States? Chip Gibbons, Policy

1054
01:07:17,700 --> 01:07:21,720
Director. Are there two sides of
the deep state? It's not an

1055
01:07:21,720 --> 01:07:22,500
answer. I mean,

1056
01:07:23,489 --> 01:07:24,539
Dave Jones: Chapter GPT

1057
01:07:25,500 --> 01:07:28,560
Adam Curry: it's that's exactly
what it is. Okay.

1058
01:07:29,220 --> 01:07:32,010
Dave Jones: Did you? I've got
I've got some clips. I brought

1059
01:07:32,010 --> 01:07:32,640
some clips.

1060
01:07:32,669 --> 01:07:35,309
Adam Curry: Oh, we love your
clips. Dave. But you got

1061
01:07:37,020 --> 01:07:39,840
Dave Jones: so this. I was
listening to this dude. This is

1062
01:07:39,840 --> 01:07:41,880
on a podcast called Monero talk.

1063
01:07:43,260 --> 01:07:44,730
Adam Curry: I wonder what the
show is about.

1064
01:07:44,969 --> 01:07:46,799
Dave Jones: It's really hard to
figure out what it's about, but

1065
01:07:46,799 --> 01:07:52,109
it's about Mineiro. I know it's
confusing, but let me explain.

1066
01:07:52,139 --> 01:07:57,539
Okay. So manera talk is actually
a pretty interesting podcast.

1067
01:07:57,599 --> 01:08:03,989
They have horrible audio. It is
you don't you do not? People

1068
01:08:03,989 --> 01:08:07,169
should boosts this show just for
the amount of work I put into

1069
01:08:07,169 --> 01:08:11,999
cleaning up this clips to make
them listen, double. But they if

1070
01:08:11,999 --> 01:08:15,569
you can get past the terrible
audio. They actually have some

1071
01:08:15,569 --> 01:08:18,839
really good interviews
sometimes. And they're not.

1072
01:08:19,289 --> 01:08:21,959
Although they're Monaro people
and so they don't you know,

1073
01:08:21,959 --> 01:08:25,409
they're not crazy about Bitcoin.
They're not they do they have

1074
01:08:25,409 --> 01:08:29,579
Bitcoin people on and they I
think a lot of times their

1075
01:08:29,609 --> 01:08:32,549
coverage of things is pretty
fair. I think they do they try

1076
01:08:32,549 --> 01:08:40,199
to be vehicle be fair. And so
the they had this guy on his

1077
01:08:40,199 --> 01:08:44,519
part of the Monaro core team and
I don't exactly knows who knows

1078
01:08:44,519 --> 01:08:46,649
what that is, I don't know if
he's a developer or whatever,

1079
01:08:46,649 --> 01:08:50,849
but he clearly knows he knows
his stuff. He knows the math, he

1080
01:08:50,849 --> 01:08:55,679
knows the cryptography at a
level which which you know, is

1081
01:08:55,829 --> 01:09:01,379
is functional. So he's talking
about and this I was listening

1082
01:09:01,379 --> 01:09:04,379
to this yesterday and really
this thing just blew my mind I

1083
01:09:04,379 --> 01:09:07,169
was just kind of like I was
actually kept not really

1084
01:09:07,169 --> 01:09:12,719
listened to it over and over.
This guy's name is Francisco

1085
01:09:13,979 --> 01:09:18,989
Francisco cub cabana? Yes. Okay.
He is an expert witness in the

1086
01:09:18,989 --> 01:09:24,929
Bitcoin fog a case Dino the
Bitcoin fog case fog fog Yes.

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01:09:25,199 --> 01:09:28,979
Fog or fu GFOG Bitcoin far I

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01:09:29,010 --> 01:09:31,290
Adam Curry: do not know I do not
know what is this?

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01:09:31,650 --> 01:09:35,670
Dave Jones: So this is a this is
a court case. Interested in let

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01:09:35,670 --> 01:09:39,750
me summarize it as best I can.
So Bitcoin Fogg was an open

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01:09:39,750 --> 01:09:41,850
source mixer Bitcoin mixer.

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01:09:42,239 --> 01:09:47,669
Adam Curry: Oh, okay. Yeah. So
it would mix up HDL C's and poop

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01:09:47,669 --> 01:09:51,089
out a new one. And so you have,
you know, one bitcoin created

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01:09:51,089 --> 01:09:53,279
from multiple Bitcoins. So it's
not traceable.

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01:09:53,670 --> 01:09:56,490
Dave Jones: Yeah. You said you
said it. You said HDL C's but

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01:09:56,490 --> 01:09:58,110
it's really I think he meant UTX

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01:09:58,109 --> 01:10:00,479
Adam Curry: UTX O's. Yes. Thank
you. All right, man. guess

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01:10:00,870 --> 01:10:04,200
Dave Jones: yes a coin is a coin
join is what it is. And so it's

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01:10:04,200 --> 01:10:11,760
a mixer and it would be Bitcoin
so this this Bitcoin Fogg thing

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01:10:12,780 --> 01:10:19,230
they alleged that lots of lots
of illegal illicit funds I don't

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01:10:19,230 --> 01:10:22,440
know if it's terrorism or drugs
or something like a lot of stuff

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01:10:22,440 --> 01:10:27,120
and went through this Bitcoin
fog. So therefore, the guy who

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01:10:27,120 --> 01:10:33,000
owns the big who ran Bitcoin fog
is is a criminal and they're

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01:10:33,000 --> 01:10:36,960
gonna bring him up on Tron
really hmm. And the way that

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01:10:36,960 --> 01:10:40,290
they've identified the
individual that they say ran

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01:10:40,290 --> 01:10:49,050
Bitcoin Fogg is that the they
say that they use blockchain

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01:10:49,050 --> 01:10:55,140
analysis to pinpoint where he
purchased the Bitcoin fog domain

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01:10:55,680 --> 01:11:00,960
back in in a specific Bitcoin
output. So they supposedly tied

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01:11:00,960 --> 01:11:06,600
this ut EXO to him and then they
saw where the funds from that

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01:11:06,600 --> 01:11:11,100
UTX o were used were spent to
purchase the domain of Bitcoin

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01:11:11,100 --> 01:11:11,760
Fogg so

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01:11:11,760 --> 01:11:15,240
Adam Curry: that means he both
he didn't use his own system to

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01:11:15,240 --> 01:11:17,070
protect his purchase of the
domain name

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01:11:17,280 --> 01:11:21,750
Dave Jones: perhaps I don't I
don't know those details. Now

1115
01:11:21,750 --> 01:11:24,510
I'm starting to I'm wondering
now maybe somebody can look it

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01:11:24,510 --> 01:11:28,350
up. Bitcoin thinking they have
been convicted felon may have

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01:11:28,350 --> 01:11:31,020
been an exchange not a mixer I
think I'm getting confused with

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01:11:31,080 --> 01:11:35,010
tornado cash anyway. It that's
the basically the but the heart

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01:11:35,010 --> 01:11:37,680
of the case is that they were
using Blockchain analysis

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01:11:37,680 --> 01:11:40,080
Adam Curry: right to find out
where he was and who he is

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01:11:40,080 --> 01:11:40,590
behind maybe

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01:11:40,590 --> 01:11:45,090
Dave Jones: this to identify
this person. So this fella

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01:11:45,450 --> 01:11:50,640
Francisco combined, yes. From
the manera core team. He says

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01:11:50,670 --> 01:11:53,640
basically, this this blockchain
analysis stuff does not work.

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01:11:54,510 --> 01:11:59,700
Pocket snake, it's snake oil. He
goes over the he goes over some

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01:11:59,700 --> 01:12:04,980
of the math and the cryptography
behind it, and says, this, this

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01:12:04,980 --> 01:12:09,450
is snake oil that's been sold to
governments, but it does not

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01:12:09,450 --> 01:12:13,530
work. Even in Bitcoin. So that's
the thing is like, you know, one

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01:12:13,530 --> 01:12:16,950
of the these privacy coins like
Manero? Yeah, they are more

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01:12:16,950 --> 01:12:21,210
private, they are more private
than Bitcoin. But he says, even

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01:12:21,210 --> 01:12:25,110
that being given, you still
can't look at bitcoins

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01:12:25,110 --> 01:12:29,700
blockchain and determined for
sure who spent what, which is

1133
01:12:29,700 --> 01:12:32,550
actually different than what the
Bitcoin people themselves say,

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01:12:32,550 --> 01:12:32,760
yeah.

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01:12:34,229 --> 01:12:36,809
Adam Curry: It's open, you can
track everything is right there.

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01:12:37,019 --> 01:12:37,529
Interest is

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01:12:37,530 --> 01:12:40,830
Dave Jones: out. That's not
actually the case. Okay. And so

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01:12:40,830 --> 01:12:42,450
clip one, he kind of goes over
that

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01:12:42,479 --> 01:12:46,259
Unknown: the absence of privacy
does not mean you have good

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01:12:46,259 --> 01:12:47,789
surveillance, you could look
past like,

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01:12:47,790 --> 01:12:49,620
Adam Curry: do you mind if I
just run this through my AI for

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01:12:49,620 --> 01:12:52,080
a second? Please do

1143
01:12:52,380 --> 01:12:56,160
Unknown: the absence of privacy
does not mean you have good

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01:12:56,160 --> 01:12:59,550
surveillance, you could look at
it that way. You could create

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01:12:59,580 --> 01:13:02,190
the whole idea in the design of
Bitcoin privacy, and there is an

1146
01:13:02,190 --> 01:13:07,650
entire section on privacy and
but Bitcoin block wiping is you

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01:13:07,650 --> 01:13:11,430
have anonymous output, and you
break the linkage between the

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01:13:11,460 --> 01:13:18,120
output and the other person or
persons. And so therefore, you

1149
01:13:18,120 --> 01:13:22,500
frustrated enough that it's
practical. This is the theory to

1150
01:13:22,680 --> 01:13:26,100
actually severely, someone comes
along and cooks up an algorithm

1151
01:13:26,100 --> 01:13:29,760
keeps it proprietary, throws a
bunch of heuristics and stuff in

1152
01:13:29,760 --> 01:13:33,240
the system. And guesses someone
with a completely wild some of

1153
01:13:33,240 --> 01:13:36,780
them are totally invalid. And
then turns around and says we

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01:13:36,780 --> 01:13:40,320
can detect criminal activity.
And we're going to sell this to

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01:13:40,320 --> 01:13:42,870
governments and we're going to
charge you a big fee to access

1156
01:13:42,870 --> 01:13:46,410
our proprietary software. They
do Gooding of sales job to

1157
01:13:46,410 --> 01:13:51,960
convince convince enough
regulators and enough law

1158
01:13:51,960 --> 01:13:55,530
enforcement officials etc, that
they got this too good to be

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01:13:55,530 --> 01:13:58,830
true true for law enforcement,
the false rent to pay amount of

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01:13:58,830 --> 01:14:01,620
money in the start accusing
people and all of a sudden the

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01:14:01,620 --> 01:14:03,930
whole thing gets dumped in front
of the court.

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01:14:05,130 --> 01:14:07,350
Adam Curry: Well, that's
interesting. I always thought it

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01:14:07,350 --> 01:14:09,870
was completely possible unless
you went through, as you said,

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01:14:09,870 --> 01:14:12,480
one of these mixers but even
without that blockchain

1165
01:14:12,480 --> 01:14:14,790
analysis, apparently is just not
true.

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01:14:15,330 --> 01:14:19,800
Dave Jones: Yeah. And he's he
makes a very convincing case in

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01:14:19,800 --> 01:14:23,910
this in in his discussion there.
And at one point, the host says,

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01:14:23,910 --> 01:14:27,150
Well, you know, you're saying
that you're saying that this is

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01:14:27,150 --> 01:14:31,860
all the fiction like this can be
done. And is there any who can I

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01:14:31,860 --> 01:14:33,990
have on the show? Give me
somebody who disagrees with you

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01:14:33,990 --> 01:14:36,750
as I can that I can have on the
show, right that we can have a

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01:14:36,810 --> 01:14:41,010
counterpoint to? And he says,
well, there were some but I, but

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01:14:41,010 --> 01:14:45,090
I've since convinced them all
that I'm right. There's nobody

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01:14:45,090 --> 01:14:48,990
left that disagrees with this
guy. So anyway, the point so

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01:14:48,990 --> 01:14:53,190
that's the foundation of what
he's saying. But then he goes

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01:14:53,190 --> 01:14:55,830
one step further. And this is
the part that kind of blew my

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01:14:55,830 --> 01:15:05,130
mind is, he says If you think
about it, not not being able to

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01:15:05,130 --> 01:15:10,470
see the privacy that we have
within the blockchains, whether

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01:15:10,470 --> 01:15:14,550
it's a privacy coin or Bitcoin,
the obscurity and the inability

1180
01:15:14,550 --> 01:15:19,260
to find out who spent what for
what is actually in the context

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01:15:19,260 --> 01:15:23,190
of blockchain analysis being
part of regulations, it's

1182
01:15:23,190 --> 01:15:27,990
actually worse than if you
couldn't tell it all. Because

1183
01:15:28,110 --> 01:15:31,590
now you can be blamed for stuff
and you can be accused of things

1184
01:15:31,590 --> 01:15:33,780
and you can't prove that you
didn't do it.

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01:15:36,030 --> 01:15:38,160
Adam Curry: Alright, clip two.
Yeah.

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01:15:38,460 --> 01:15:41,610
Unknown: What's the EU? What
they're trying to do in the

1187
01:15:41,610 --> 01:15:44,520
European Union? Is it trying to
bake blockchain surveillance

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01:15:44,550 --> 01:15:49,110
into legislation. And this is
the section 76 used to be called

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01:15:49,110 --> 01:15:54,780
Section 68 of the MICF. And
that's the rule that I think is

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01:15:54,780 --> 01:15:58,230
the most dangerous, because
essentially, what it says is it

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01:15:58,230 --> 01:16:02,520
puts incredibly onerous
requirements. If the guy cannot

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01:16:02,520 --> 01:16:06,120
be surveilled with Blockchain
surveillance, well, you can't

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01:16:06,120 --> 01:16:10,680
fake it. So they kind of they
really got into it to lobby for

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01:16:10,680 --> 01:16:14,610
that particular section. So what
I think is going to happen, and

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01:16:14,610 --> 01:16:16,410
this is what I think are
different points of view on

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01:16:16,410 --> 01:16:21,930
this. If the legal winds start
to blow in, in the you know, in

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01:16:21,930 --> 01:16:27,390
our favor, then we're going to
see either Law Section challenge

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01:16:27,450 --> 01:16:30,390
or and this is where I think
some people in the policy group

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01:16:30,390 --> 01:16:34,950
maybe Robin would be a good
example of that. I said, Well,

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01:16:34,950 --> 01:16:37,170
this is so onerous, they're
going to sort of find a way of

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01:16:37,170 --> 01:16:43,710
not enforcing it. If on the
other hand, it goes the you

1202
01:16:43,710 --> 01:16:48,330
know, there's no legal
breakthrough then it will most

1203
01:16:48,360 --> 01:16:51,330
likely consequence would be that
border obita listed at every

1204
01:16:51,330 --> 01:16:55,140
exchange in the European Union.
Now well that lead to a human

1205
01:16:55,140 --> 01:16:56,460
rights challenge our hope so

1206
01:16:58,200 --> 01:17:02,010
Adam Curry: McIntosh just sent a
booster gram Bitcoin Fogg is

1207
01:17:02,010 --> 01:17:07,260
indeed a mixer. Says the entire
lawsuit is a joke. The company

1208
01:17:07,260 --> 01:17:10,170
performing the chain analysis is
essentially saying he's guilty

1209
01:17:10,170 --> 01:17:13,500
without showing how they do it
complete black box oh, and

1210
01:17:13,500 --> 01:17:16,380
Bitcoin fog is still running
while the guy accused of running

1211
01:17:16,380 --> 01:17:17,310
it sits in jail.

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01:17:18,090 --> 01:17:21,930
Dave Jones: Yeah, it all ties
back to this supposedly they

1213
01:17:22,320 --> 01:17:24,810
they supposedly have identified
the transaction where the

1214
01:17:24,810 --> 01:17:27,720
Bitcoin fog got bought, where
this particular individual

1215
01:17:27,720 --> 01:17:31,560
bought the Bitcoin fog domain
name. But they there's

1216
01:17:31,710 --> 01:17:36,210
absolutely no, they can't prove
it. There's no proof of this and

1217
01:17:36,780 --> 01:17:39,660
in in a way that they're willing
to expose, because this is all

1218
01:17:39,660 --> 01:17:44,460
like, you know, private data. So
then, like the point that he

1219
01:17:44,460 --> 01:17:49,110
makes about the EU, he says that
the EU, he says that the US at

1220
01:17:49,110 --> 01:17:54,060
least saving grace there is that
they are not the US is not

1221
01:17:54,870 --> 01:17:57,960
making their regulations
dependent on these blockchain

1222
01:17:57,960 --> 01:18:03,720
analysis. operations but the EU
is mica legislation actually

1223
01:18:03,720 --> 01:18:05,310
puts it into law.

1224
01:18:07,290 --> 01:18:09,270
Adam Curry: Well, wait, wait,
you're telling me that people in

1225
01:18:09,270 --> 01:18:10,980
government don't know what
they're talking about when it

1226
01:18:10,980 --> 01:18:17,820
comes to technology? No, stop.
Stop, stop. Wow.

1227
01:18:18,330 --> 01:18:22,320
Dave Jones: Anyway, this it's a
good it's kind of blowing my

1228
01:18:22,320 --> 01:18:25,560
mind because we you always hear
from Bitcoin people that Oh, is

1229
01:18:25,560 --> 01:18:28,260
totally transparent. Yeah,
that's what I thought. But it's

1230
01:18:28,260 --> 01:18:34,020
actually really difficult to
prove a chain of custody from

1231
01:18:34,020 --> 01:18:38,550
UTX o to UTX. Oh, and that,
especially when you think about

1232
01:18:38,550 --> 01:18:41,430
key, you know, keys, getting
stolen all these kinds of

1233
01:18:41,430 --> 01:18:45,510
things. You really cannot
there's no linkage between an

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01:18:45,510 --> 01:18:50,640
actual person and these UTX
owes. That's a fiction for moat

1235
01:18:50,640 --> 01:18:54,330
most of the time. And it
actually makes things on a

1236
01:18:54,330 --> 01:18:56,490
regulatory stance, it makes
sense. It actually makes things

1237
01:18:56,490 --> 01:18:59,160
more complicated than if
everything was just easily

1238
01:18:59,160 --> 01:18:59,790
traceable.

1239
01:19:00,540 --> 01:19:04,110
Adam Curry: Which would be fine
with me. And it comes to Bitcoin

1240
01:19:04,110 --> 01:19:06,750
I'd be fine with it. I don't
care. I'm not gonna be using

1241
01:19:06,750 --> 01:19:14,790
free legal stuff. I have nothing
to hide Eric Schmidt if I have

1242
01:19:14,790 --> 01:19:21,750
something to hide, I'll use my
arrow I know what's up. Man. So

1243
01:19:21,750 --> 01:19:27,630
the Bitcoin Amsterdam Bitcoin
2024 People are have been kind

1244
01:19:27,630 --> 01:19:30,270
of responsive if anything I have
not been responsive kind of

1245
01:19:30,270 --> 01:19:33,690
dragging it out a little bit.
And the reason why is I want to

1246
01:19:33,690 --> 01:19:38,070
write something and so there's
two parts there's three parts to

1247
01:19:38,070 --> 01:19:41,220
this listen up people because
you can help and maybe it's the

1248
01:19:41,220 --> 01:19:44,250
lb guys I don't know someone
somebody raised their hand and

1249
01:19:44,250 --> 01:19:47,820
said hey, you know I can I can
do so I can actually hop over to

1250
01:19:47,820 --> 01:19:50,430
Bitcoin, Amsterdam. Whoever does
this you don't even need to be

1251
01:19:50,430 --> 01:19:55,680
in Bitcoin Amsterdam. What we
need and I think we need to set

1252
01:19:55,680 --> 01:19:58,470
a didn't Did they send us an
invite? I think I saw an invite

1253
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:01,950
Dave Jones: I saw an email that
they said they were going to

1254
01:20:01,950 --> 01:20:03,930
send an invite, but I'm not sure
I saw the invite.

1255
01:20:04,109 --> 01:20:07,289
Adam Curry: I have to check they
just randomly said, Oh, I'm sure

1256
01:20:07,289 --> 01:20:12,059
Dave not will be available at
this time. Sure. Okay. And the

1257
01:20:12,059 --> 01:20:15,389
idea is we're going to talk
about what so I guess there's

1258
01:20:15,389 --> 01:20:23,699
three things one is there some
is this something that no agenda

1259
01:20:23,699 --> 01:20:28,259
tube can host? And you got some
now Do you Have you spoken Alex

1260
01:20:28,259 --> 01:20:32,099
about the numbers about like
7000 streams?

1261
01:20:33,210 --> 01:20:35,700
Dave Jones: No, I haven't talked
to him about it because we don't

1262
01:20:35,700 --> 01:20:38,760
even know if we know we just
haven't got that far yet. I

1263
01:20:38,760 --> 01:20:39,120
don't know if

1264
01:20:39,120 --> 01:20:41,370
Adam Curry: I can already medium
winching wincing like what?

1265
01:20:42,899 --> 01:20:45,029
Dave Jones: I'm sure I've made
as long as he's, you know, as

1266
01:20:45,029 --> 01:20:47,489
long as he gets paid for it, I'm
sure he'd be willing to at least

1267
01:20:47,489 --> 01:20:48,059
think about it.

1268
01:20:49,200 --> 01:20:51,090
Adam Curry: Well, so I mean,
that's, that's the question is,

1269
01:20:51,120 --> 01:20:54,120
you know, hey, do we want to
even get into that, but I think

1270
01:20:54,120 --> 01:20:58,110
the main thing is, now we have a
system sovereign feeds, and

1271
01:20:58,110 --> 01:21:01,830
maybe Stephen B should just be
doing this, where we can load in

1272
01:21:02,220 --> 01:21:10,740
value blocks, into a live
stream, and, and pump that into

1273
01:21:10,740 --> 01:21:13,350
all of the live shows. And the
value block would change when

1274
01:21:13,350 --> 01:21:17,550
the next speaker comes on. The
value block can be obviously

1275
01:21:17,550 --> 01:21:21,030
split up, if it's a panel of
people, what we would need in

1276
01:21:21,030 --> 01:21:31,920
order to propose this properly,
is we would need the boosts to

1277
01:21:32,130 --> 01:21:37,080
be to represent the value block.
So the same way that if if we

1278
01:21:37,080 --> 01:21:40,620
get a boost to Graham, when
someone was boosting during the

1279
01:21:41,280 --> 01:21:45,330
song, the underclass that we
need to be able to see that

1280
01:21:45,330 --> 01:21:49,530
that's going to the underclass,
and not just to me, or to

1281
01:21:49,530 --> 01:21:54,570
podcasting. 2.0 So that's the
TLV record stuff that that

1282
01:21:54,570 --> 01:21:57,300
apparently is only on the
receiving end it's already be we

1283
01:21:57,300 --> 01:21:59,820
don't know if people are baking
it in or not. I have no idea.

1284
01:22:00,780 --> 01:22:01,890
You know what I'm talking about?

1285
01:22:02,700 --> 01:22:06,570
Dave Jones: Yeah, that is the
airhead said live splits. Live

1286
01:22:06,570 --> 01:22:09,900
split changes are easy with peer
tube. Okay, so that looks like

1287
01:22:09,900 --> 01:22:14,310
that we can do the LSC. Alex is
saying. And this is this is kind

1288
01:22:14,310 --> 01:22:16,650
of why I hadn't really pursued
it yet. Because he said I'd

1289
01:22:16,650 --> 01:22:19,080
rather help them set up their
own infrastructure, but I'm open

1290
01:22:19,080 --> 01:22:21,270
to it. That's kind of what I was
thinking. I mean, they could

1291
01:22:21,270 --> 01:22:24,720
roll you know, they could roll
their own. It's, it wouldn't be

1292
01:22:24,720 --> 01:22:28,170
expensive. Right? We just show
them how to do it.

1293
01:22:28,260 --> 01:22:32,700
Adam Curry: Right. So the only
the main thing is the value time

1294
01:22:32,700 --> 01:22:36,480
split. And I'm just saying we
have a tool that does it

1295
01:22:36,480 --> 01:22:40,380
sovereign feeds does it, then
and that I think is independent

1296
01:22:40,410 --> 01:22:44,070
of no agenda to because they the
plugin just takes the value

1297
01:22:44,070 --> 01:22:48,990
block the whatever is being
displayed. I guess, anyway, I

1298
01:22:48,990 --> 01:22:50,940
don't understand how that works.
Let me just tell you what we

1299
01:22:50,940 --> 01:22:53,250
need in order to if we want to
propose this to these guys,

1300
01:22:53,250 --> 01:22:55,800
because I think it would be
great because if we have enough

1301
01:22:55,800 --> 01:23:00,840
apps, which we don't, if we have
apps that that will understand

1302
01:23:00,870 --> 01:23:07,770
the value time split. And be
able to implement that on a live

1303
01:23:07,770 --> 01:23:12,300
stream and post mortem, you
know, in a podcast version, but

1304
01:23:12,450 --> 01:23:19,770
most importantly, the live
stream. Episode that when people

1305
01:23:19,770 --> 01:23:25,170
are sending booths that those
can then be picked up by the

1306
01:23:25,170 --> 01:23:30,120
conference and shown on stage or
shown as a lower third in their

1307
01:23:30,120 --> 01:23:33,330
video feed, then we can propose
that I'm not quite sure what

1308
01:23:33,330 --> 01:23:37,590
needs to happen to get there.
Because these will all be remote

1309
01:23:37,590 --> 01:23:40,470
items that remote items will
presumably be created by

1310
01:23:40,470 --> 01:23:44,550
something like sovereign feeds,
which already has it already

1311
01:23:44,550 --> 01:23:49,590
does it. So I don't know, if we
need to recreate that. Then we

1312
01:23:49,590 --> 01:23:52,260
can propose that that's a
business I'm telling that's a

1313
01:23:52,260 --> 01:23:55,560
business. If someone wants to
pick that up, you've got a real

1314
01:23:55,560 --> 01:24:00,870
business there putting putting
your own split. You know, you

1315
01:24:00,870 --> 01:24:03,720
will be able to do this around
the world with any webinar or

1316
01:24:03,720 --> 01:24:07,500
with any conference. It's a
business waiting to be picked

1317
01:24:07,500 --> 01:24:07,890
up.

1318
01:24:10,229 --> 01:24:13,709
Dave Jones: Yeah, and that's why
I'm, that's another reason why

1319
01:24:13,709 --> 01:24:17,579
I'm diving in deep with, with
what's going on and no agenda

1320
01:24:17,579 --> 01:24:25,709
tube in the peer to development
work is because this is this is

1321
01:24:25,709 --> 01:24:28,439
important. I mean, we need this
needs to be stressed, you know,

1322
01:24:28,439 --> 01:24:30,929
stress tested, and we need to
see if this stuff works

1323
01:24:30,929 --> 01:24:35,609
properly, in where the where the
gotchas are. Right. Because this

1324
01:24:35,639 --> 01:24:40,019
really is I mean, I see this as
a this is the way forward for

1325
01:24:40,019 --> 01:24:44,279
people like that to roll you
know, roll a peer tube instance

1326
01:24:44,609 --> 01:24:49,649
and be able to monetize a stream
that way. I mean, this is real

1327
01:24:49,679 --> 01:24:52,679
we're talking real stuff now.
This is not just toys.

1328
01:24:55,560 --> 01:24:56,940
Adam Curry: No, it's not just
toys.

1329
01:24:57,330 --> 01:25:00,360
Dave Jones: It's not I mean it
think of I mean he Even if they

1330
01:25:00,360 --> 01:25:06,990
wanted to, like, it goes back to
the PWA thing. Let's say once

1331
01:25:06,990 --> 01:25:09,210
you've got the stream, and
you've got all the parts

1332
01:25:09,210 --> 01:25:15,030
working, even if let's just say,
Apple, Google, whoever, even if

1333
01:25:15,030 --> 01:25:21,180
they pull apps off the store,
that the data is you could just

1334
01:25:21,540 --> 01:25:28,170
write a very thin PWA on top of
this content, and you're back in

1335
01:25:28,170 --> 01:25:28,710
business

1336
01:25:28,770 --> 01:25:32,640
Adam Curry: Exactly. But I'd
like to see it with the existing

1337
01:25:32,640 --> 01:25:35,760
podcast apps that already work.
And so here comes the second

1338
01:25:35,760 --> 01:25:41,760
part, I would like to, they have
asked me to write an op ed. And

1339
01:25:41,760 --> 01:25:46,860
what I would like to write about
is 2.0 value for value with the

1340
01:25:47,010 --> 01:25:52,680
value time split for music. So
that my pitch is something new

1341
01:25:52,680 --> 01:25:56,670
is happening in podcasting. Now
we're adding in music, you can

1342
01:25:56,670 --> 01:26:01,020
play music on a podcast, and we
have a magic system where the

1343
01:26:01,020 --> 01:26:04,620
wallet switches to the to the
artist who you're playing, this

1344
01:26:04,620 --> 01:26:09,540
is a big pitch. And I want to
write this that gave me What's

1345
01:26:09,690 --> 01:26:14,040
1000 words, I need to have more
apps that can that can do it.

1346
01:26:14,670 --> 01:26:17,970
Otherwise, you know, it'll just
be a wasted opportunity. So if

1347
01:26:17,970 --> 01:26:24,630
we, if we know that like pod
verse fountain cast ematic, what

1348
01:26:24,630 --> 01:26:30,150
am I missing? You know, breeze,
anybody who wants to jump on

1349
01:26:30,150 --> 01:26:32,400
board, let's do this, because
I'm gonna write this article.

1350
01:26:32,400 --> 01:26:34,710
But when I submitted that it's
out of my can, and they want to

1351
01:26:34,710 --> 01:26:39,270
put it in the printed magazine,
too. And you can you can see

1352
01:26:39,270 --> 01:26:42,330
where I know what they'll do.
They go like, Oh, look, MTV,

1353
01:26:42,330 --> 01:26:45,600
guys, bring him back this,
that's what the pitch will be.

1354
01:26:45,600 --> 01:26:48,300
And and people will be
interested. And so you want to

1355
01:26:48,300 --> 01:26:50,940
have your app ready for that.
And so I need to know if people

1356
01:26:50,940 --> 01:26:52,890
are interested in putting that
into their apps.

1357
01:26:53,550 --> 01:26:56,670
Dave Jones: So let, there's two
sort of two flavors of that.

1358
01:26:56,670 --> 01:27:00,450
There's in your just to be
clear, so everybody understands.

1359
01:27:00,900 --> 01:27:06,450
There's the there's the post,
you publish your episode, after

1360
01:27:06,450 --> 01:27:11,400
the fact. There's that version
of the value time split thing,

1361
01:27:11,580 --> 01:27:15,600
and then there's a live Yes. And
there's that version, after the

1362
01:27:15,600 --> 01:27:20,190
fact is easy, because you read
the you read the XML, right? I

1363
01:27:20,190 --> 01:27:24,660
know where to where to flip
flop, the live thing is a little

1364
01:27:24,660 --> 01:27:28,080
bit more complicated, because as
it currently stands in this is

1365
01:27:28,080 --> 01:27:32,160
not an official spec yet. You
have to connect to a web socket,

1366
01:27:32,250 --> 01:27:34,320
right? And so in order to get
the signal,

1367
01:27:34,350 --> 01:27:37,050
Adam Curry: right, so what I
like is that I can bring in lots

1368
01:27:37,050 --> 01:27:40,050
but can bring in Wave Lake and
bring him dish topia, I can tell

1369
01:27:40,050 --> 01:27:42,480
the people like oh, look, look
at these places you can go to

1370
01:27:42,480 --> 01:27:46,410
put your music up or go to music
side project.com do it

1371
01:27:46,410 --> 01:27:49,560
independently you don't need and
you can manage your own splits.

1372
01:27:49,560 --> 01:27:54,780
I mean, this this is the kind of
article I want to write so but

1373
01:27:54,780 --> 01:27:58,110
right now, as far as I know,
it's pod friend and curio

1374
01:27:58,110 --> 01:27:58,650
caster.

1375
01:28:00,240 --> 01:28:02,790
Dave Jones: Right. And I know
it's pot do we know if pod

1376
01:28:02,790 --> 01:28:04,200
friends doing the live yet

1377
01:28:04,230 --> 01:28:06,330
Adam Curry: no pod friends on
doing live yet. But for the

1378
01:28:06,330 --> 01:28:09,300
article that doesn't matter. For
the article, it'll be you know,

1379
01:28:09,300 --> 01:28:12,420
just I mean, people are going to
start making shows, but we need

1380
01:28:12,420 --> 01:28:19,410
a few more apps to support this.
It's my plea. It will be it will

1381
01:28:19,410 --> 01:28:22,320
be an interesting way to kick it
off, you know, because people

1382
01:28:22,320 --> 01:28:24,510
read this stuff. And then people
talk about it. And then they

1383
01:28:24,510 --> 01:28:27,420
want to do it and where do I put
my music and, and then I will

1384
01:28:27,420 --> 01:28:30,750
support it with the show. I'll
might as well do another show.

1385
01:28:30,960 --> 01:28:33,630
But there's always room for more
podcasts in the curry household.

1386
01:28:35,340 --> 01:28:38,790
You know, and then I'll signal
my boys over here who all wanted

1387
01:28:38,790 --> 01:28:41,220
to get ready with their
podcasts. And they've got an

1388
01:28:41,370 --> 01:28:43,920
honestly they have friends who
have music, and so they want to

1389
01:28:43,920 --> 01:28:48,630
get them in on it. So you know,
it'll start rolling. I'm just

1390
01:28:48,630 --> 01:28:51,510
trying to coordinate just trying
to coordinate a little bit see

1391
01:28:51,510 --> 01:28:53,940
if we can get people. Look, I
know it's hard. Everyone's got

1392
01:28:53,940 --> 01:28:58,710
other stuff to do, and choices
to make. But this is a big one.

1393
01:28:58,950 --> 01:29:01,650
Dave Jones: I mean, I know Oscar
is working on it. Yes, yes. Yep.

1394
01:29:01,770 --> 01:29:06,300
And so I mean, we, and I'm sure
and I'm sure Mitch will. I mean,

1395
01:29:06,300 --> 01:29:13,560
Mitch, he loves to do stuff like
this. So I mean, I don't we, I

1396
01:29:13,560 --> 01:29:13,860
mean,

1397
01:29:14,939 --> 01:29:17,639
Adam Curry: I know that Spencer
and all those guys, they're

1398
01:29:17,639 --> 01:29:20,969
already doing it. They're doing
the doing music shows with malt

1399
01:29:20,969 --> 01:29:24,209
and you know, as I said,
sovereign feeds, and now has a

1400
01:29:24,209 --> 01:29:26,729
music playout system belt built
into it, not something that's

1401
01:29:26,729 --> 01:29:29,669
functional for the way I do it.
But it works so people can start

1402
01:29:29,669 --> 01:29:32,609
creating these shows. You see
them doing I'm like trying to

1403
01:29:32,609 --> 01:29:34,619
get everything all together
because the hosting companies

1404
01:29:34,619 --> 01:29:36,929
won't support this for a long
time just because of the nature

1405
01:29:36,929 --> 01:29:40,499
of their business. They have to
make important choices like do I

1406
01:29:40,499 --> 01:29:43,499
support you tube, you know, so
you know, they have important

1407
01:29:43,499 --> 01:29:45,449
things to do. But in Alexandre

1408
01:29:45,450 --> 01:29:47,100
Dave Jones: Mitch is working on
it now, actually.

1409
01:29:47,520 --> 01:29:49,560
Adam Curry: Does he say that?
Yeah, of

1410
01:29:49,560 --> 01:29:51,930
Dave Jones: course. Of course he
is. I mean, this this, this what

1411
01:29:51,930 --> 01:29:52,710
he does, yeah.

1412
01:29:54,060 --> 01:29:57,690
Adam Curry: Cool. I just want to
be able to say, you know, are

1413
01:29:57,690 --> 01:30:01,560
all the app, all apps supported
would be great, but if I can

1414
01:30:01,590 --> 01:30:05,700
rattle off four or five, that
will be fantastic. And then you

1415
01:30:05,700 --> 01:30:08,850
know, then we're gonna get some,
we're gonna get some interesting

1416
01:30:08,880 --> 01:30:14,370
new programming with music. I
can't wait to do a show with

1417
01:30:14,370 --> 01:30:17,850
just music. It's gonna be I've
been thinking, Should I read,

1418
01:30:17,880 --> 01:30:20,610
say resurrected daily source
code is called the daily source

1419
01:30:20,610 --> 01:30:23,340
code. I have all the jingles.

1420
01:30:25,800 --> 01:30:29,040
Dave Jones: I mean, you might as
well like Biggie, because you'd

1421
01:30:29,040 --> 01:30:31,560
have, you'd have an instant
built in audience because a lot

1422
01:30:31,560 --> 01:30:35,040
of people still follow that feed
and all that. I mean. Yeah. I

1423
01:30:35,040 --> 01:30:38,760
mean, I mean, it makes sense to
me. You don't have to recreate

1424
01:30:38,760 --> 01:30:41,460
you don't have to recreate a
whole new, you know, framework.

1425
01:30:42,630 --> 01:30:47,040
Daily, so do so in daily source
code at one point. At one point,

1426
01:30:47,040 --> 01:30:49,800
you weren't doing podsafe music
on dailies source codes. Yes, I

1427
01:30:49,800 --> 01:30:50,400
was.

1428
01:30:52,890 --> 01:30:57,870
Adam Curry: sysadmins ensuring
five nines uptime? 21st century

1429
01:30:57,870 --> 01:31:04,680
of radio stars on noise
industry.

1430
01:31:12,030 --> 01:31:13,290
That's kind of what it would
sound like.

1431
01:31:13,650 --> 01:31:17,430
Dave Jones: Yeah, like, gang. So

1432
01:31:17,490 --> 01:31:20,670
Adam Curry: that that's the
idea. I'm into it. I'm ready.

1433
01:31:21,060 --> 01:31:25,440
I'm ready. All right. That's my
plea. That's all I got. Surely

1434
01:31:25,440 --> 01:31:27,540
you have something on your list
we need to discuss before we

1435
01:31:27,540 --> 01:31:28,200
thank people.

1436
01:31:29,070 --> 01:31:33,570
Dave Jones: I had a call with
the medical with a guy from the

1437
01:31:33,570 --> 01:31:36,510
Center for Democracy and
Technology yesterday.

1438
01:31:36,540 --> 01:31:39,120
Adam Curry: Oh, yeah. And they
seem kind of it seemed like a

1439
01:31:39,150 --> 01:31:42,630
kind of an elitist drinking
club. But probably the heart the

1440
01:31:42,630 --> 01:31:44,850
hearts in the right place, or
did I get that wrong?

1441
01:31:45,300 --> 01:31:47,250
Dave Jones: I don't know if
they're elitist. And I don't

1442
01:31:47,250 --> 01:31:48,000
know if they're gonna drink.

1443
01:31:48,720 --> 01:31:50,670
Adam Curry: I just looked at the
board. I'm like, Okay.

1444
01:31:51,210 --> 01:31:53,610
Dave Jones: I didn't even look
at the board. I don't know. I

1445
01:31:53,610 --> 01:31:55,920
mean, I'm assuming this is a
Washington think tank that's

1446
01:31:56,280 --> 01:32:00,240
like to me Yeah, pretty much.
Yeah. Yeah. So my understanding

1447
01:32:00,240 --> 01:32:03,060
is they're going to produce a
study, or maybe it's called a

1448
01:32:03,060 --> 01:32:05,970
policy paper. I'm not sure.
Exactly. But they wanted to

1449
01:32:06,870 --> 01:32:10,110
interview, they want to
interview me about the pocket

1450
01:32:10,110 --> 01:32:17,190
stupido project, the index in
this in the context of how does

1451
01:32:18,060 --> 01:32:24,540
open source innovation compete
against big tech? So it was a

1452
01:32:24,540 --> 01:32:26,730
very, it was an interesting
thing. Of course, I want to re

1453
01:32:27,150 --> 01:32:28,590
I'm game to riff on that all
day.

1454
01:32:29,790 --> 01:32:32,040
Adam Curry: You say it's because
of the value for value that it

1455
01:32:32,040 --> 01:32:32,790
all works?

1456
01:32:33,390 --> 01:32:35,010
Dave Jones: Oh, yeah, through
value for value all over the

1457
01:32:35,010 --> 01:32:35,280
place.

1458
01:32:36,510 --> 01:32:39,060
Adam Curry: splattered value all
over the place. Nice.

1459
01:32:40,560 --> 01:32:43,710
Dave Jones: So we went over the,
you know, the namespace now?

1460
01:32:43,710 --> 01:32:47,910
Yeah. He asked me said what, you
know, what are some apps? What

1461
01:32:47,910 --> 01:32:51,120
are your What are your what are
the apps that most represent

1462
01:32:51,120 --> 01:32:55,740
what you think, you know, the
project stands for, and what

1463
01:32:55,740 --> 01:32:58,860
you're after, and all this kind
of thing. So as like, in give me

1464
01:32:58,860 --> 01:33:02,520
some examples of shows that we,
you know, we can look at. And so

1465
01:33:02,520 --> 01:33:06,330
I sent him lists of, you know,
of all the apps and shows and

1466
01:33:06,330 --> 01:33:09,810
that I think are good, you know,
representative of everything. We

1467
01:33:09,810 --> 01:33:12,360
talked, we talked for about 45
minutes, it was good, this good

1468
01:33:12,360 --> 01:33:14,430
talk. So he said, he said we're
they're gonna read it this

1469
01:33:14,430 --> 01:33:18,780
study, and they'll send us a
copy. I'd like it. And I don't

1470
01:33:18,780 --> 01:33:23,460
know what else but that's it.
Cool, nice guy. Nice guy.

1471
01:33:24,660 --> 01:33:27,480
Adam Curry: Well, I think we
have I think the podcast in 2.0

1472
01:33:27,480 --> 01:33:33,780
project is an example of open
source of the future. And I

1473
01:33:33,780 --> 01:33:36,090
think you and I discussed many
times, just because of the

1474
01:33:36,090 --> 01:33:39,510
split, everybody hasn't had an
opportunity to participate in

1475
01:33:39,510 --> 01:33:44,340
the value flow. That's what it
is, I think. But I'm sure

1476
01:33:44,340 --> 01:33:46,800
Spotify has it. Right. You know,
they've I think they've, you

1477
01:33:46,800 --> 01:33:49,320
know, according to Bloomberg,
they've they fixed it all now,

1478
01:33:49,740 --> 01:33:50,760
basically, yeah, they're

1479
01:33:51,570 --> 01:33:54,990
Dave Jones: there. They're on
rails now. Did you see that

1480
01:33:54,990 --> 01:33:55,530
Bloomberg

1481
01:33:55,530 --> 01:34:00,180
Adam Curry: article? Which one?
Spotify takes a sharp turn with

1482
01:34:00,180 --> 01:34:05,550
its $1 billion podcast division.
No shifting away from exclusives

1483
01:34:05,550 --> 01:34:11,340
to capture more ad revenue. How
does that even make sense? Sure.

1484
01:34:11,430 --> 01:34:14,220
They basically they, I mean,
they just got rid of everybody

1485
01:34:14,250 --> 01:34:18,480
rolled it all up into something
called studios, and then said,

1486
01:34:18,480 --> 01:34:21,120
Okay, we're gonna do ads or
something.

1487
01:34:22,530 --> 01:34:25,080
Dave Jones: This all makes sense
to me. Now, I had this sort of

1488
01:34:25,080 --> 01:34:30,450
like, I had like, like an
epiphany. But I hesitate to

1489
01:34:30,450 --> 01:34:32,970
describe it as an epiphany
because it sounds kind of hoity

1490
01:34:32,970 --> 01:34:33,480
toity.

1491
01:34:33,540 --> 01:34:35,280
Adam Curry: Yeah. And sounds
like something because that

1492
01:34:35,280 --> 01:34:38,190
media and center technology
thing to Think Tank. Yeah, they

1493
01:34:38,190 --> 01:34:39,270
probably have epiphanies a

1494
01:34:39,270 --> 01:34:46,410
Dave Jones: lot. So, the
Epiphany, the epiphany that I

1495
01:34:46,410 --> 01:34:51,240
had was that Chris Fisher, I
think he's right. You know, he

1496
01:34:51,240 --> 01:34:55,440
said, The he told us the, you
know, the ad market is moving to

1497
01:34:55,440 --> 01:35:00,540
YouTube. And I think it's I
think he's right Based on some

1498
01:35:00,540 --> 01:35:10,140
stuff I saw, and so AdExchanger
had this big article on this

1499
01:35:10,140 --> 01:35:13,800
company called a million ads.
They're going to start serving

1500
01:35:13,800 --> 01:35:16,950
hyper local Audio Ads by
creating even more of them.

1501
01:35:19,710 --> 01:35:22,530
Adam Curry: Yeah, because
that'll get the CPM up. Uh huh.

1502
01:35:22,560 --> 01:35:31,320
Dave Jones: Yeah, sure. So, they
the ad industry in general they

1503
01:35:31,320 --> 01:35:37,830
are this is this was the
Epiphany, the ad industry b you

1504
01:35:37,830 --> 01:35:44,760
know, being whatever I be you
know, as let's just call it

1505
01:35:44,790 --> 01:35:49,860
let's just call it the podcast
industrial complex. The the IB

1506
01:35:49,860 --> 01:35:55,410
the podcast Academy, these bro
these roll up to show brokers

1507
01:35:55,410 --> 01:36:00,210
award shows, award shows, yes.
award shows. All of the

1508
01:36:00,210 --> 01:36:04,320
everybody that collectively
created makes up the podcast

1509
01:36:04,320 --> 01:36:07,980
industrial called the rankers?
Yes, yes. Rancors. Yes.

1510
01:36:07,979 --> 01:36:09,749
Adam Curry: The people who call
us Indies.

1511
01:36:10,140 --> 01:36:14,430
Dave Jones: Yes, yeah. That the
debt, the podcast industrial

1512
01:36:14,430 --> 01:36:22,590
complex, is not podcasting. It's
not what you think it is. Chris

1513
01:36:22,590 --> 01:36:27,960
said that all the ad market is
moving to YouTube. And it also

1514
01:36:27,960 --> 01:36:31,500
dawned on me that that's why
they are so insistent about

1515
01:36:31,500 --> 01:36:33,540
calling YouTube podcasts?

1516
01:36:34,830 --> 01:36:36,930
Adam Curry: Because that's
because they need to get the

1517
01:36:36,930 --> 01:36:40,710
money. And if they're not a
podcast, yeah, that's possible.

1518
01:36:40,890 --> 01:36:43,680
Dave Jones: They need the money.
And no, it's 100% true, because

1519
01:36:43,680 --> 01:36:48,810
they have they they based on
this or when I read this

1520
01:36:48,810 --> 01:36:51,780
article, this was the whole
pitch for this podcast

1521
01:36:51,780 --> 01:36:55,320
advertising company, that they
were going to use AI to create

1522
01:36:55,320 --> 01:37:02,370
hyperlocal ads, get this based
on things like location, the

1523
01:37:02,370 --> 01:37:08,310
weather, where you're at your,
your current, where you're at,

1524
01:37:08,310 --> 01:37:11,280
whether you're driving, all the
these are all things that you

1525
01:37:11,280 --> 01:37:15,840
can't get through open podcast
apps. None of this where you can

1526
01:37:15,840 --> 01:37:19,650
only get this through YouTube,
Spotify, Amazon through all the

1527
01:37:19,650 --> 01:37:24,450
closed source systems. But
they're calling it a podcast

1528
01:37:24,450 --> 01:37:30,210
advertising solution. No. Okay.
And this is all so the only way

1529
01:37:30,210 --> 01:37:34,110
you can get this data is through
the closed source like a YouTube

1530
01:37:34,110 --> 01:37:38,340
or a Spotify you can get and
then they say well, you know, if

1531
01:37:38,340 --> 01:37:40,830
we don't have all the data we
can at least know things like

1532
01:37:40,830 --> 01:37:43,500
location and that kind of thing.
That's for the that's for the

1533
01:37:43,500 --> 01:37:47,370
also ran podcast, I'll open
podcast apps, and that's still

1534
01:37:47,370 --> 01:37:48,600
based on IP address.

1535
01:37:48,630 --> 01:37:51,690
Adam Curry: Well, isn't by the
way you said 100%

1536
01:37:53,520 --> 01:37:55,770
Dave Jones: What I meant was
completely

1537
01:37:55,830 --> 01:37:59,640
Adam Curry: okay, I no longer do
the horn I just play this 100

1538
01:37:59,640 --> 01:38:00,120
frickin

1539
01:38:00,120 --> 01:38:04,950
Dave Jones: percent let's see.

1540
01:38:06,149 --> 01:38:10,349
Adam Curry: Effectively, yes,
copper. So, so, but Spotify is

1541
01:38:10,349 --> 01:38:13,559
now using the Spotify pixel or
whatever it's called

1542
01:38:14,760 --> 01:38:16,110
Dave Jones: IP address. So

1543
01:38:16,109 --> 01:38:19,589
Adam Curry: IP addresses okay,
that but I'm still not

1544
01:38:20,009 --> 01:38:22,859
completely convinced that the
money's going to YouTube. I

1545
01:38:22,859 --> 01:38:25,949
think it's going to tick tock I
think this may be YouTube's play

1546
01:38:25,979 --> 01:38:28,769
a part of their play against
tick tock, like, we're

1547
01:38:28,769 --> 01:38:34,169
different. The podcasts are with
us. But all I know is that

1548
01:38:34,169 --> 01:38:36,839
people who are advertising on
YouTube are spending a lot more

1549
01:38:36,839 --> 01:38:38,219
money on tick tock right now.

1550
01:38:39,000 --> 01:38:43,020
Dave Jones: The digital
advertising market. Yeah. Like

1551
01:38:43,020 --> 01:38:49,950
the the IB based stuff. Yeah.
They are so screwed, that they

1552
01:38:49,950 --> 01:38:55,500
have tied themselves to these IP
to IP address brokers. Yeah, IP

1553
01:38:55,500 --> 01:38:58,920
address data brokers to such an
extent as soon as that thing

1554
01:38:58,920 --> 01:39:04,560
dries up. I mean, like they they
as soon as Apple you think Apple

1555
01:39:04,590 --> 01:39:10,350
getting, you know, the Apple
Dimas thing was was hard. Once

1556
01:39:10,350 --> 01:39:13,860
they turn on private relay,
yeah, instead of securing IP

1557
01:39:13,860 --> 01:39:16,320
address data, these guys are
out.

1558
01:39:17,160 --> 01:39:20,310
Adam Curry: I can predict what
Spotify is move will be because,

1559
01:39:20,340 --> 01:39:23,370
you know, I built one of these
networks. I've tried I failed, I

1560
01:39:23,370 --> 01:39:27,900
spent a lot of other people's
money granted not a billion. And

1561
01:39:27,900 --> 01:39:31,200
it's always the same. So the
next move for Spotify when

1562
01:39:31,200 --> 01:39:33,810
whatever they're doing now,
which is I guess, Spotify for

1563
01:39:33,810 --> 01:39:39,720
podcasters. Okay. They will have
a Spotify podcast radio station

1564
01:39:39,720 --> 01:39:43,560
and or a Spotify podcast
television station. And you'll

1565
01:39:43,560 --> 01:39:45,960
just be able to turn it on
you'll be able to see it 24

1566
01:39:45,960 --> 01:39:48,810
hours a day it's gonna be great
you watch you want it's gonna be

1567
01:39:48,810 --> 01:39:52,320
that stupid. I know because I've
done the same thing. This is the

1568
01:39:52,320 --> 01:39:54,660
stupidity that will come because
now they're just trying to

1569
01:39:54,660 --> 01:39:57,810
please investors. The investors
are saying, Hey, you spent

1570
01:39:57,810 --> 01:40:00,480
that's why Bloomberg highlights
a billion dollars. Hey, billion

1571
01:40:00,480 --> 01:40:02,880
dollars on this stuff. What are
you going to do? Well, we're not

1572
01:40:02,880 --> 01:40:05,760
going to renew a lot of people.
Okay, well, that's a start, boom

1573
01:40:05,760 --> 01:40:08,640
stock actually goes up, we're
going to fire 200 People boom,

1574
01:40:08,640 --> 01:40:12,150
stock goes up. Good. That's all
that matters now.

1575
01:40:14,009 --> 01:40:15,719
Dave Jones: Is it? Do you think
it's going to be some sort of

1576
01:40:15,719 --> 01:40:19,589
like, like YouTube, like,
experience that they're going to

1577
01:40:19,619 --> 01:40:22,589
try to launch? Is that what
you're predicting?

1578
01:40:22,710 --> 01:40:25,200
Adam Curry: It'll be, it'll be
stupid. It'll be like, it'll be,

1579
01:40:25,650 --> 01:40:28,680
yeah, it'll be a 24 hour day
something and you'll be able to

1580
01:40:28,680 --> 01:40:32,340
switch channels. And oh, this is
the talk channel. And this is

1581
01:40:32,340 --> 01:40:35,520
the, you know, the true crime
channel, you watch, it's in the

1582
01:40:35,520 --> 01:40:37,770
cards is what always happens.
And that will, of course, will

1583
01:40:37,770 --> 01:40:41,010
fail as well. None of this
works, the only way forward is

1584
01:40:41,010 --> 01:40:44,040
value for value, people just
can't afford all of the

1585
01:40:44,040 --> 01:40:49,770
subscriptions, no matter what
media it is. People are cutting

1586
01:40:49,770 --> 01:40:54,000
cords left and right, they're no
longer interested in in the 300

1587
01:40:54,000 --> 01:40:57,660
channels that you can get
through cable. People are

1588
01:40:57,660 --> 01:41:01,650
looking for stuff that they can
support and be a part of, or

1589
01:41:01,650 --> 01:41:06,450
stuff that they can rip off for
free. I think you're seeing more

1590
01:41:06,450 --> 01:41:12,870
Plex sharing stuff like that.
It's over. It's just over. It

1591
01:41:12,870 --> 01:41:16,710
has to be on a per program
basis, it has to be on a per

1592
01:41:16,770 --> 01:41:21,690
media property basis. And the
podcast industrial complex is

1593
01:41:21,690 --> 01:41:24,960
still stuck in the either a I
have something that I'll be able

1594
01:41:24,960 --> 01:41:30,210
to sell, or someone's going to
invent quote, unquote, invest in

1595
01:41:30,210 --> 01:41:35,460
me or buy in me, so they can
then sell my IP. But I don't

1596
01:41:35,460 --> 01:41:37,950
hear anybody saying, oh, man,
I'm so excited about all this

1597
01:41:37,950 --> 01:41:41,160
advertising money I'm gonna get
which is up 26% year over year.

1598
01:41:41,160 --> 01:41:42,300
It's amazing.

1599
01:41:43,140 --> 01:41:45,540
Dave Jones: See that? That's,
that's one of the things that

1600
01:41:45,540 --> 01:41:48,720
got me thinking in this
direction. Because you see, oh,

1601
01:41:48,720 --> 01:41:53,100
the pot the advertising for
podcasting is up. Yet everybody

1602
01:41:53,100 --> 01:41:57,390
you talk to in PA in in actual
open podcasting says it's down.

1603
01:41:57,780 --> 01:42:01,140
And then you have James on the
last pod news or whatever,

1604
01:42:01,320 --> 01:42:04,290
saying, I don't understand how
these YouTube numbers make any

1605
01:42:04,290 --> 01:42:09,000
sense. They keep saying that the
numbers die. Do I do numbers,

1606
01:42:09,000 --> 01:42:09,720
but I don't see it.

1607
01:42:09,750 --> 01:42:13,020
Adam Curry: I do. We've been
through this. Let me pull up the

1608
01:42:13,020 --> 01:42:18,990
numbers. The way Google works is
they have a cost of acquisition.

1609
01:42:19,020 --> 01:42:20,850
If I'm amazed, that's a term

1610
01:42:22,530 --> 01:42:24,960
Dave Jones: that like a customer
acquisition cost, like a care.

1611
01:42:25,019 --> 01:42:30,389
Adam Curry: Yeah, I think it is
Google revenue. Think cost of

1612
01:42:31,349 --> 01:42:36,569
mainly just cost of acquisition.
Let me see which they spend

1613
01:42:38,039 --> 01:42:42,119
Google revenue breakdown. See,
traffic acquisition. That's what

1614
01:42:42,119 --> 01:42:46,799
they call it? Nah. Okay. And
they spent what they spend on

1615
01:42:46,799 --> 01:42:53,909
traffic acquisition. manually
or? Yeah, I think we have it on

1616
01:42:55,079 --> 01:42:56,519
looking for it right now.

1617
01:42:57,870 --> 01:42:59,670
Dave Jones: Let's get to be a
lot neater Oh,

1618
01:42:59,670 --> 01:43:02,520
Adam Curry: no, it's billions of
dollars Google traffic

1619
01:43:02,520 --> 01:43:09,840
acquisition ta see traffic
acquisition cost 2020 to $48.95

1620
01:43:09,840 --> 01:43:16,500
billion. So it's an arbitrage.
So they bring in $48.95 billion

1621
01:43:16,830 --> 01:43:21,690
worth of traffic, which is,
yeah, know, what they pay out to

1622
01:43:21,690 --> 01:43:24,870
people who are sending traffic
to them, whether it's search or

1623
01:43:24,870 --> 01:43:27,750
otherwise, and then they just
make sure that they bring in,

1624
01:43:27,870 --> 01:43:31,710
you know, they they mark that up
and they bring in 162 billion or

1625
01:43:31,710 --> 01:43:35,160
whatever it is. So they're
buying the traffic. They're

1626
01:43:35,160 --> 01:43:38,940
buying it so they and it's an
it's a it's a knob for those

1627
01:43:38,940 --> 01:43:43,800
guys. Like dial it up, and then
your revenue goes up and dial it

1628
01:43:43,800 --> 01:43:47,130
down. Now their gross their
margin will change. And they

1629
01:43:47,130 --> 01:43:50,610
still have very profitable
businesses. And now you know, of

1630
01:43:50,610 --> 01:43:53,400
course, he had to spend billions
on AI and all this interesting

1631
01:43:53,400 --> 01:43:58,740
stuff. But that's that's how it
works. And in podcasting, you

1632
01:43:58,740 --> 01:44:02,370
know, I guess I hard tried a
little bit. Well, you will put

1633
01:44:02,370 --> 01:44:05,310
it into a game now. Look like
someone's listening to the

1634
01:44:05,310 --> 01:44:08,790
podcast in the game. It's all
bull. It's all bull.

1635
01:44:09,030 --> 01:44:11,100
Dave Jones: Yeah, but the
podcast industrial complex,

1636
01:44:11,100 --> 01:44:13,890
they'll they'll Pillow Talk
whoever they need to. Yes.

1637
01:44:14,430 --> 01:44:16,950
Whoever they need to to keep the
ad dollars rolling. When

1638
01:44:16,950 --> 01:44:20,940
they'll, they'll sell they'll
sell you out in a heartbeat.

1639
01:44:22,500 --> 01:44:24,990
Adam Curry: That's right. It was
actually it was actually kind of

1640
01:44:24,990 --> 01:44:28,440
funny to hear. James had a guest
host on the kind of like tour

1641
01:44:28,440 --> 01:44:29,040
was her name.

1642
01:44:30,000 --> 01:44:33,030
Dave Jones: Oh, yeah. The
newsletter lady. Yeah.

1643
01:44:33,060 --> 01:44:37,140
Adam Curry: Newsletter lady. And
so they're talking about the

1644
01:44:37,140 --> 01:44:42,810
value for value apps maybe being
removed from from from pot.

1645
01:44:42,810 --> 01:44:45,450
Actually, I should probably play
this. It was hilarious. On a

1646
01:44:45,450 --> 01:44:48,480
second. It was it was one of the
funniest things I've ever heard

1647
01:44:48,480 --> 01:44:51,090
him done. I don't know if he
knows that. He did. I can't

1648
01:44:51,479 --> 01:44:54,689
Dave Jones: remember her name.
I'll bring it squeezes the name

1649
01:44:54,689 --> 01:44:58,559
of her newsletter, but I can't
Yeah. Oh, Sky Pillsbury. That's

1650
01:44:58,620 --> 01:45:00,000
Adam Curry: sky Pillsbury. How

1651
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:02,250
Dave Jones: How did I forget
that name is so unique? It's

1652
01:45:02,250 --> 01:45:03,720
very it is an interest

1653
01:45:03,750 --> 01:45:05,790
Adam Curry: you think that's the
stage name was that a real name?

1654
01:45:06,960 --> 01:45:07,440
Probably a

1655
01:45:08,519 --> 01:45:11,369
Dave Jones: real name I'm gonna
go to 16 Hit

1656
01:45:11,369 --> 01:45:14,879
Adam Curry: the chapters here
where's the chapters? Where the

1657
01:45:14,879 --> 01:45:18,479
chapters at more Charlie AI
chapter you gotcha Yeah.

1658
01:45:19,559 --> 01:45:24,599
Chapters here we go apple to
kill value for value okay so

1659
01:45:25,470 --> 01:45:30,810
Unknown: Sam edits thing we just
got a new SAS stuff those are

1660
01:45:30,810 --> 01:45:35,370
all do much the same sort of
thing so this potentially means

1661
01:45:35,370 --> 01:45:40,260
that those may be whisked off
the the Apple App Store as well

1662
01:45:40,260 --> 01:45:46,800
which is slightly scary. Some
then ads hashtag gaslighting,

1663
01:45:46,800 --> 01:45:50,100
hashtag gatekeeper hashtag anti
competitive, it's clearly very

1664
01:45:50,100 --> 01:45:55,230
upset about this percent of all
of the money for recently

1665
01:45:56,130 --> 01:46:00,600
enabled PW A's which is a way of
using another website as if your

1666
01:46:00,600 --> 01:46:00,780
this

1667
01:46:00,780 --> 01:46:03,270
Adam Curry: whole bit is all
about how Apple might its

1668
01:46:03,660 --> 01:46:05,940
chapters Apple to kill value for
value.

1669
01:46:05,970 --> 01:46:07,710
Unknown: Listen, who knows. But
anyway,

1670
01:46:08,399 --> 01:46:11,279
yeah, whatever the way forward
is, hopefully they will just

1671
01:46:11,489 --> 01:46:15,029
this will help them make
decisions that are clear for

1672
01:46:15,029 --> 01:46:18,959
everyone so that it's not so
that no one is confused and, and

1673
01:46:18,959 --> 01:46:22,019
sort of at the last minute, you
know, finding out this

1674
01:46:22,019 --> 01:46:26,429
information and, and with no
warning, that's probably part of

1675
01:46:26,459 --> 01:46:27,719
what's most frustrating.

1676
01:46:27,750 --> 01:46:32,580
Well, yeah, indeed. They've got
basically two weeks to get that

1677
01:46:32,580 --> 01:46:36,690
payment stuff out of their app.
Otherwise, it will be taken out

1678
01:46:36,690 --> 01:46:40,320
of the App Store entirely so you
can well understand that people

1679
01:46:40,320 --> 01:46:44,550
are a little bit upset about
that. Definitely. Hey, podcast

1680
01:46:44,550 --> 01:46:46,710
advertising works Skype No
kidding.

1681
01:46:47,130 --> 01:46:48,720
Are you kidding? I

1682
01:46:51,750 --> 01:46:55,170
Adam Curry: saw value for value
was on the desk door but podcast

1683
01:46:55,170 --> 01:46:56,760
advertising works.

1684
01:46:56,790 --> 01:47:01,170
Dave Jones: It does is clear
clearly. Yes. Yes. It does.

1685
01:47:01,170 --> 01:47:04,650
Except Except all the ones that
say that it doesn't Yes.

1686
01:47:05,699 --> 01:47:06,839
Adam Curry: Or no, it works.

1687
01:47:06,870 --> 01:47:10,260
Dave Jones: It works. This
probably works when you get it.

1688
01:47:10,290 --> 01:47:11,910
Yeah, but what if you don't?
Yeah.

1689
01:47:14,460 --> 01:47:16,350
Adam Curry: Oh, man, I just
thought that was funny. I'm sure

1690
01:47:16,350 --> 01:47:20,520
it wasn't intentional, but the
way it is strung together. It's

1691
01:47:20,730 --> 01:47:22,230
like okay, I get it.

1692
01:47:22,740 --> 01:47:24,510
Dave Jones: Yeah, it's like it's
like the C span color.

1693
01:47:26,760 --> 01:47:28,590
Adam Curry: I want to thank a
couple of people who have been

1694
01:47:28,710 --> 01:47:33,360
supporting the show as we roll
out live and Jason from podcast

1695
01:47:33,360 --> 01:47:40,470
guru. Yes. comes in with a nice
row of ducks 22,222 from podcast

1696
01:47:40,470 --> 01:47:48,720
guru now he has the kind of like
the the generic icon here that's

1697
01:47:48,750 --> 01:47:52,080
I'm just identifying this as
Taliban Yeah. And how we patch I

1698
01:47:52,080 --> 01:47:53,070
wonder if that's if he's

1699
01:47:53,609 --> 01:47:55,349
Dave Jones: fault. That's my
fault. And then and then that's

1700
01:47:55,349 --> 01:47:56,219
my phone because

1701
01:47:56,310 --> 01:47:59,010
Adam Curry: you don't have an
icon for it. Yeah,

1702
01:47:59,910 --> 01:48:03,390
Dave Jones: I don't have it in a
dynamic way. Yeah, let me let me

1703
01:48:03,390 --> 01:48:11,160
give you my game plan. Okay. A
game plan it I've got to finish

1704
01:48:11,190 --> 01:48:15,990
I've got to build a dashboard
for managing the index. Ooh,

1705
01:48:15,990 --> 01:48:19,290
yes. You have been waiting for a
while started that started I'm

1706
01:48:19,290 --> 01:48:22,470
sure you did. I had to put a
couple of things in for Oscar he

1707
01:48:22,470 --> 01:48:26,670
needed the music medium tag
returned and some endpoints had

1708
01:48:26,670 --> 01:48:28,920
to do some other things. So I
got I gotta do I gotta do the

1709
01:48:28,920 --> 01:48:33,480
dashboard. Then I'm going to go
back to hell pad and get that

1710
01:48:33,480 --> 01:48:36,840
cleaned up with the remote
stuff. And I'll put in the icon

1711
01:48:36,840 --> 01:48:39,870
for podcast gear and all the
stuff in there to clean that up

1712
01:48:39,960 --> 01:48:43,530
Adam Curry: and pod fans. They
also need an icon pod to pod

1713
01:48:43,530 --> 01:48:43,890
fans.

1714
01:48:44,400 --> 01:48:48,030
Dave Jones: I'm Hello Pat needs
a little love just a little bit.

1715
01:48:48,540 --> 01:48:50,850
Adam Curry: I mean I'm loving it
every single day I'm loving it

1716
01:48:51,000 --> 01:48:52,800
Dave Jones: I'm loving it you
need to just get take it out to

1717
01:48:52,800 --> 01:48:53,430
dinner every now

1718
01:48:55,979 --> 01:48:59,069
Adam Curry: so Jason says so
remote item after V four v

1719
01:48:59,069 --> 01:49:02,429
streaming is done we can do
that. Of course he of course you

1720
01:49:02,429 --> 01:49:06,899
can. Thank you Jason. Beautiful
yeah beautiful. That's that's

1721
01:49:06,899 --> 01:49:09,599
what I need to hear that's gonna
that's gonna get things going.

1722
01:49:11,459 --> 01:49:16,409
So Macintosh says 2100 SATs from
fountain I'll volunteer to at

1723
01:49:16,409 --> 01:49:18,479
least coordinate the video
casting of no one else is

1724
01:49:18,479 --> 01:49:21,959
stepping forward. Especially if
it can be done remotely or works

1725
01:49:21,959 --> 01:49:24,899
on modest help on site. I can't
coordinate with others a

1726
01:49:24,899 --> 01:49:28,259
mastodon I can run with a giant
machete if I need to. I cannot

1727
01:49:28,259 --> 01:49:31,289
run to Amsterdam however
Nashville maybe so good

1728
01:49:31,319 --> 01:49:36,959
Macintosh guy I presume he's on
podcasts index on social if not

1729
01:49:36,959 --> 01:49:41,459
let us know your thoughts so
cool. Thank you. We're gonna

1730
01:49:41,459 --> 01:49:51,599
start coordinating this. Serve
US media 11,235 11235 Mini

1731
01:49:51,599 --> 01:49:55,619
Fibonacci boost. Time the top of
my hour Be Happy Friday, gents.

1732
01:49:55,619 --> 01:49:59,219
Happy Friday to you Happy Fred
Martin with a short row of

1733
01:49:59,219 --> 01:50:02,459
ducks. 22 two Only two testing
some more solid boosting code

1734
01:50:02,459 --> 01:50:06,749
and the new pod friend with a
row of ducks. Yes, code is solid

1735
01:50:06,869 --> 01:50:13,709
and it's working. Chat F 3333
Bitcoin fog is a mixer and KYC

1736
01:50:13,709 --> 01:50:16,679
from exchanges is the real
privacy issue. Yes, of course.

1737
01:50:16,829 --> 01:50:20,099
We all know ultimately what this
is about. Sir Spencer

1738
01:50:20,099 --> 01:50:27,299
16,969 16969 boosting Dave the
podcast Janee for all that elbow

1739
01:50:27,299 --> 01:50:30,059
grease cleaning up those
Trashman arrow clips. Thank you

1740
01:50:30,059 --> 01:50:31,049
for your courage.

1741
01:50:31,200 --> 01:50:33,930
Dave Jones: Oh, well, I guess
you ask and you shall receive

1742
01:50:34,320 --> 01:50:38,100
Adam Curry: 15,000 from
blueberry dang this lit GIF or

1743
01:50:38,100 --> 01:50:42,210
GIF looks so slick Yeah, that's
that's the animated one. I had

1744
01:50:42,210 --> 01:50:44,820
the pleasure of live streaming
for two hours last night playing

1745
01:50:44,820 --> 01:50:47,730
around with sovereign feeds live
switching value tags and playing

1746
01:50:47,730 --> 01:50:51,360
music and whilst these lousy
it's so cool. What I'd like to

1747
01:50:51,360 --> 01:50:57,060
do is use this for the pre
stream for BTS which is

1748
01:50:58,530 --> 01:51:00,030
Dave Jones: the hands behind the
scheme's

1749
01:51:00,030 --> 01:51:02,820
Adam Curry: Yes. Then at
Showtime have the app episode

1750
01:51:02,820 --> 01:51:07,560
live tag with the updated show
art and title engage? Yeah, I

1751
01:51:07,560 --> 01:51:10,470
think you can do that. Yeah,
don't say Well, no, that's what

1752
01:51:10,470 --> 01:51:12,960
you do with Yeah, you just
switched switch blocks and you

1753
01:51:12,960 --> 01:51:16,890
can do that now in sovereign
feeds. I think. Mr. Robot with a

1754
01:51:16,890 --> 01:51:20,130
boob 808 Happy Father's Day this
Sunday. Gentlemen, thank you.

1755
01:51:20,880 --> 01:51:25,290
Giving Dave some info. Give
giving Dave some info to some

1756
01:51:25,290 --> 01:51:28,350
beef initiative producers in his
state so we can get off those

1757
01:51:28,350 --> 01:51:31,710
nasty milkshakes in the pipe.
Oh,

1758
01:51:31,710 --> 01:51:32,910
Dave Jones: who is this who

1759
01:51:32,910 --> 01:51:37,260
Adam Curry: this is Mr. Robot?
And he has if you go to beef

1760
01:51:37,260 --> 01:51:40,440
initiative.com You go to the
database. I shall send this to

1761
01:51:40,440 --> 01:51:44,910
you right now in the state of
Alabama. And you can also put

1762
01:51:44,910 --> 01:51:48,330
this on the on the signal chat
for you right there you go.

1763
01:51:48,750 --> 01:51:51,660
Thank you get off those beef
milkshakes, man. Thank you.

1764
01:51:52,500 --> 01:51:56,280
layman creations. 1000 SATs Dave
needs to host a show so he can

1765
01:51:56,280 --> 01:52:00,360
use sovereign feeds Yes. That's
right. He's all jacked up on

1766
01:52:00,360 --> 01:52:02,220
streaming video.

1767
01:52:03,359 --> 01:52:05,849
Dave Jones: It's hot fire

1768
01:52:08,340 --> 01:52:12,810
Adam Curry: primitive one
primitive but primitive 122 22

1769
01:52:12,810 --> 01:52:15,630
How dare you accuse us of not
listening now I will boost just

1770
01:52:15,630 --> 01:52:22,740
to prove it as this Who is this
chimp wants to know what boom

1771
01:52:22,740 --> 01:52:26,310
armed these are people watching
your your video stream chimp

1772
01:52:26,310 --> 01:52:29,280
wants to know what boom arm
debuts is to hold his mic at

1773
01:52:29,280 --> 01:52:30,870
now. That's a Pornhub question

1774
01:52:34,560 --> 01:52:38,640
Dave Jones: I think it's I think
it's El Gato. Yeah, I forgot

1775
01:52:39,210 --> 01:52:41,640
I'll find out I think it's an
Elgato

1776
01:52:42,840 --> 01:52:48,060
Adam Curry: 41,948 from Sir
Brian of London PhD he says I

1777
01:52:48,060 --> 01:52:50,490
had a good week routing on my
notes so I bumped up the

1778
01:52:50,490 --> 01:52:54,570
donation if anyone is on hive
please vote for proposal. 265

1779
01:52:55,290 --> 01:53:01,290
All right, very no man hive got
hit with this with the altcoin

1780
01:53:01,380 --> 01:53:02,250
Shakedown

1781
01:53:03,030 --> 01:53:04,110
Dave Jones: did they get
delisted

1782
01:53:04,559 --> 01:53:06,689
Adam Curry: no not the list. I'm
just seeing the prices go down

1783
01:53:06,689 --> 01:53:10,409
against the US dollar but I mean
it's just fun to watch. I mean

1784
01:53:10,439 --> 01:53:13,439
not not fun for anybody in
particular just like wow look at

1785
01:53:13,439 --> 01:53:15,599
all these red numbers everywhere
including Bitcoin.

1786
01:53:17,670 --> 01:53:19,920
Dave Jones: Oh God a wave. This
would be more Miss

1787
01:53:20,070 --> 01:53:21,300
Adam Curry: Delgado wave.

1788
01:53:21,690 --> 01:53:22,350
Dave Jones: Yes.

1789
01:53:23,220 --> 01:53:24,840
Adam Curry: Oh, that's Oh,
that's the name of the boom

1790
01:53:25,110 --> 01:53:31,380
boom, boom. Okay, I see. We have
a tiny striper donation from

1791
01:53:31,380 --> 01:53:37,860
Mike Newman loving the longing
good stuff that's a striper new

1792
01:53:37,860 --> 01:53:41,550
striper sound we have Where did
you get that from? was sent to

1793
01:53:41,760 --> 01:53:48,450
Korean the keeper it's actual
striper it's actual striper bits

1794
01:53:48,510 --> 01:53:54,150
put together. Another Lehmann
creations Apple overloads okay.

1795
01:53:55,440 --> 01:54:00,480
And then primitive one again was
69 999 nice thank you called in

1796
01:54:00,480 --> 01:54:03,780
sick to work happy to catch up
on this show lit for the first

1797
01:54:03,780 --> 01:54:06,450
time in a long time. Shout out
to Chimp Eastside Tony and all

1798
01:54:06,450 --> 01:54:11,940
the podcasting 2.0 pioneers.
Nice. And Macintosh comes in

1799
01:54:11,940 --> 01:54:15,690
with 10,000 are Twitter people
overreacting to to everything

1800
01:54:15,720 --> 01:54:20,040
the end is coming. I may not be
on a graphing based phone but I

1801
01:54:20,040 --> 01:54:22,260
really don't need apple in my
life. They are merely a

1802
01:54:22,260 --> 01:54:28,050
convenience go podcasting for
Macintosh who says he's

1803
01:54:28,050 --> 01:54:33,570
generation Bitcoin? Oh, James
Quinlan is listening. 1111 He

1804
01:54:33,570 --> 01:54:36,150
says Good afternoon, gentlemen
listening in Toronto, Ontario,

1805
01:54:36,150 --> 01:54:38,730
Canada, waiting for a bus at the
airport

1806
01:54:39,149 --> 01:54:40,589
Dave Jones: was in America's
head.

1807
01:54:42,630 --> 01:54:46,050
Adam Curry: America's hat? I
love it. He saw he always keeps

1808
01:54:46,050 --> 01:54:53,370
talking about oh, America is on
the brink of civil war. Well get

1809
01:54:53,370 --> 01:54:58,200
off Twitter. We're really not.
When we're a civil war, you'll

1810
01:54:58,200 --> 01:55:00,600
know it'll be very different.
Noise Yeah,

1811
01:55:00,600 --> 01:55:03,270
Dave Jones: you won't have to
guess. Yes. Different noise

1812
01:55:03,270 --> 01:55:03,840
That's right.

1813
01:55:04,800 --> 01:55:08,430
Adam Curry: I'm doing this with
3333 pips smacking hose Okay,

1814
01:55:08,430 --> 01:55:13,740
thank you test boosting from the
index 22 to 22 from amot then we

1815
01:55:13,740 --> 01:55:16,560
have Martin love listening to
the live show fixing bugs and

1816
01:55:16,560 --> 01:55:22,530
annoyances at the same time with
tu tu tu tu tu tu two one. And

1817
01:55:22,530 --> 01:55:25,830
let me see podcasting. My
favorite waste of time from Jim

1818
01:55:25,830 --> 01:55:31,560
13,579 Lyceum with an early
boost. Short Row of ducks. Have

1819
01:55:31,560 --> 01:55:36,600
you tested contracts full access
plan was split management. No, I

1820
01:55:36,600 --> 01:55:40,620
have no but Well, no, they,
they're you must because they

1821
01:55:41,100 --> 01:55:44,550
they have the Partner API. They
can manage splits from

1822
01:55:44,550 --> 01:55:45,420
contracts.

1823
01:55:46,020 --> 01:55:48,930
Dave Jones: Oh, my man Okay.
Yes, I understand what that is.

1824
01:55:48,930 --> 01:55:51,180
Now that goes back and reverse
because I built the thing for

1825
01:55:51,180 --> 01:55:54,720
it. Yeah, okay. Yeah. I'm like I
programmed and

1826
01:55:55,950 --> 01:55:58,110
Adam Curry: this is Martin
Linda's kg by the way Lyceum on

1827
01:55:58,110 --> 01:56:01,470
pod fans.fm Today I want to have
an overview of the incoming

1828
01:56:01,470 --> 01:56:04,020
streaming SATs and booster grams
so don't miss to thank

1829
01:56:04,020 --> 01:56:09,150
contributors and supporters. I
like contracts so I haven't

1830
01:56:09,180 --> 01:56:12,000
tested it with a full on partner
splits but contracts is

1831
01:56:12,000 --> 01:56:15,960
definitely definitely cool if
you're using if you're using get

1832
01:56:15,960 --> 01:56:18,720
Alvey I don't know if they
interface with other lightning

1833
01:56:18,720 --> 01:56:24,840
wallets yet or other nodes. And
then, let me see where are we

1834
01:56:24,840 --> 01:56:29,730
where's home. Goodness gracious.
The couple more before we hit

1835
01:56:29,730 --> 01:56:34,800
the delimiter here we have tone
wrecker Kubrick boosts through

1836
01:56:34,800 --> 01:56:39,750
the pod bay door 2001. Got it.
pod bay door got it. Got it. Got

1837
01:56:39,750 --> 01:56:44,040
it. Borlaug hit us with the
10,000 SATs before even started

1838
01:56:44,040 --> 01:56:49,860
strong work, gentlemen. And a we
know that we hit the delimiter

1839
01:56:49,860 --> 01:56:55,830
so it's your Do we have any Fiat
fun coupons? This week? Well,

1840
01:56:57,180 --> 01:56:59,940
Dave Jones: we have quite a few.
Oh really fun coupons. Yes.

1841
01:57:00,300 --> 01:57:04,740
Starting with Ben and Alberto
from rss.com The boys over there

1842
01:57:04,740 --> 01:57:11,490
they gave us a Pay Pal. Large
satchel of Richards 11110 Man,

1843
01:57:12,240 --> 01:57:14,370
Adam Curry: one was one was

1844
01:57:14,729 --> 01:57:16,469
Dave Jones: $1,111

1845
01:57:18,030 --> 01:57:23,730
Unknown: Sakala 20 is blades on
him. Paula. Crikey, guys,

1846
01:57:23,760 --> 01:57:24,660
Adam Curry: thank you, Adam

1847
01:57:24,659 --> 01:57:27,149
Dave Jones: and Dave, we are so
grateful for what you do.

1848
01:57:27,179 --> 01:57:30,959
rss.com will add the support
will add support to even more

1849
01:57:30,959 --> 01:57:34,319
podcasting 2.0 features in the
next months. Location is next in

1850
01:57:34,319 --> 01:57:37,799
line. Thank you, Alberto Ben and
the team and rss.com

1851
01:57:38,160 --> 01:57:42,000
Adam Curry: Thank you guys Y'all
are so kind wow that's That is

1852
01:57:42,030 --> 01:57:45,960
amazing. That's some value right
there. We must be bringing them

1853
01:57:45,960 --> 01:57:47,580
customers left and right Dave

1854
01:57:49,410 --> 01:57:55,620
Dave Jones: through one the
other day. I did buddy man we

1855
01:57:56,040 --> 01:57:58,740
people ask us all the time you
know which host should I do? And

1856
01:57:58,740 --> 01:58:01,680
my question is always you know,
I like Okay, tell me what do you

1857
01:58:01,680 --> 01:58:04,740
have? Tell me what your podcast
is? Tell me what you what you're

1858
01:58:04,740 --> 01:58:05,700
trying to do if you're on

1859
01:58:05,700 --> 01:58:08,580
Adam Curry: WordPress he's easy
answer PowerPress

1860
01:58:09,570 --> 01:58:14,220
Dave Jones: or really simple.
And then you have and then if

1861
01:58:14,220 --> 01:58:16,470
they say you know where are we
got it, you know, we got we

1862
01:58:16,470 --> 01:58:19,590
really focus on value for value
I usually pitch them over to and

1863
01:58:19,590 --> 01:58:23,160
they don't want to self host I
usually go blueberry or rss.com

1864
01:58:23,160 --> 01:58:26,130
because they have that stuff
built in. If it's something that

1865
01:58:26,130 --> 01:58:28,710
you know, if it's something else
up kick them over to Buzzsprout

1866
01:58:28,800 --> 01:58:31,680
there's it's great to have like
this array of options where you

1867
01:58:31,680 --> 01:58:33,900
can just kind of like slot
people in depending on what they

1868
01:58:33,900 --> 01:58:34,800
need. Yeah,

1869
01:58:34,830 --> 01:58:36,630
Adam Curry: I agree. truly is.
That was

1870
01:58:36,630 --> 01:58:38,880
Dave Jones: part of our
discussion yesterday with this

1871
01:58:38,910 --> 01:58:39,540
see

1872
01:58:40,710 --> 01:58:43,470
Adam Curry: that democracy
technology Think Tank?

1873
01:58:43,500 --> 01:58:48,990
Dave Jones: Yes. Think Tank
going tech. Yeah. Is he? As I

1874
01:58:48,990 --> 01:58:54,000
was telling him I'm like the
podcast hosting ecosystem the

1875
01:58:54,000 --> 01:58:58,260
hosting companies. Like it's so
unique. I don't know. I don't

1876
01:58:58,260 --> 01:59:02,310
know that there's any other I
can't think of another industry

1877
01:59:02,310 --> 01:59:06,150
that has a system like that
where you have this these people

1878
01:59:06,150 --> 01:59:11,610
that they they compete so
ruthlessly against each other.

1879
01:59:12,030 --> 01:59:17,880
But they also are come they also
have come together in and they

1880
01:59:17,880 --> 01:59:23,820
work together like it's such an
interesting thing to see. Yeah.

1881
01:59:23,850 --> 01:59:25,830
Adam Curry: coopetition
cooperate.

1882
01:59:25,860 --> 01:59:28,740
Dave Jones: Yeah, that's That's
exactly right. I had just added

1883
01:59:29,460 --> 01:59:32,760
Ben from our sister calm call me
the other night. We had we

1884
01:59:32,760 --> 01:59:37,350
talked for about a half hour
about some stuff and yeah, it's

1885
01:59:37,350 --> 01:59:41,010
just everybody just works. They
just want what's big. They they

1886
01:59:41,010 --> 01:59:43,950
all understand that. That a
rising tide lifts all boats.

1887
01:59:43,980 --> 01:59:49,320
Yeah, it's a great thing to see.
Speaking of the guys from

1888
01:59:49,320 --> 01:59:54,210
blueberry, Todd Oh my goodness.
In the gang send us $300

1889
01:59:54,420 --> 02:00:00,270
Unknown: Oh, man. Shot Caller 20
his blades only him Paul. Oh,

1890
02:00:00,300 --> 02:00:04,590
Adam Curry: it didn't even come
to the Apple Store. Thank you

1891
02:00:04,590 --> 02:00:04,950
guys

1892
02:00:05,609 --> 02:00:08,189
Dave Jones: helping out with
that database server upgrade, go

1893
02:00:08,189 --> 02:00:08,939
podcasting?

1894
02:00:09,450 --> 02:00:13,950
Adam Curry: Yeah. Got a baller
boost incoming right here

1895
02:00:13,980 --> 02:00:21,780
101010 101,010 Satoshis from Sam
Southie Potter fans live

1896
02:00:21,780 --> 02:00:24,840
streaming and splits work we
broke tonight testing value

1897
02:00:24,840 --> 02:00:28,680
times but we'll fix that for
next week Hey that's what

1898
02:00:28,710 --> 02:00:32,670
running with scissors brother we
have all phase six implemented

1899
02:00:32,670 --> 02:00:36,870
Do you know a feed we can test
for pod ping we have the rule

1900
02:00:36,870 --> 02:00:40,080
working check your email for
screenshot and we will never

1901
02:00:40,230 --> 02:00:45,360
ever be an iOS or Android app
PWA all the way go podcasting

1902
02:00:47,399 --> 02:00:52,199
Unknown: shot Carla 20 is played
on him Paula like

1903
02:00:52,200 --> 02:00:58,890
Dave Jones: that. Me too
curious. So RSS I mean no agenda

1904
02:00:58,890 --> 02:01:03,840
tube all of those feeds have the
pod ping tag in them go good. So

1905
02:01:03,840 --> 02:01:08,670
those are good test feeds Sam
what we we're gonna have to do

1906
02:01:08,670 --> 02:01:13,650
is we're gonna have to we're
gonna have to not put any more

1907
02:01:13,650 --> 02:01:16,710
namespace work in for at least
three months so that Sam can

1908
02:01:16,710 --> 02:01:21,960
actually ship this product is
every time we have a new tag he

1909
02:01:21,960 --> 02:01:24,360
started that go and put it in
I'm gonna have to we have we got

1910
02:01:24,360 --> 02:01:27,870
to stop this we gotta we gotta
we gotta let him ship and just

1911
02:01:27,870 --> 02:01:30,060
Adam Curry: just to give you an
idea of how crazy the stuff is

1912
02:01:30,060 --> 02:01:32,010
that we're doing and you know
what kind of scissors we're

1913
02:01:32,010 --> 02:01:35,730
running with. So Stephen B just
says in the in your in the OG

1914
02:01:35,730 --> 02:01:40,980
chat not in your wanqi little
video chat thing stops he says

1915
02:01:41,490 --> 02:01:45,240
the new chat tag which is
created by His sovereignty feeds

1916
02:01:45,300 --> 02:01:52,800
bro curio caster buddy how's it
working again? The show he broke

1917
02:01:52,800 --> 02:01:56,190
his own stuff and fix it during
the show I love it man. I love

1918
02:01:56,190 --> 02:01:57,840
it hilarious that neat

1919
02:01:57,870 --> 02:02:01,950
Dave Jones: that's that needs a
scissor stab What did the Van

1920
02:02:01,950 --> 02:02:02,250
Halen

1921
02:02:11,340 --> 02:02:15,030
All right we got some booths we
got a 55 555 thrown anonymous

1922
02:02:15,030 --> 02:02:20,400
through curio caster Thank you
anonymous no note we get another

1923
02:02:20,400 --> 02:02:25,650
anonymous 44 444 Wow curio
caster no no there now that is

1924
02:02:26,040 --> 02:02:29,340
that contains the remote thede
Gu ID and remote item.

1925
02:02:29,370 --> 02:02:32,010
Adam Curry: Oh nice. Well, we
don't know who did it. Who made

1926
02:02:32,010 --> 02:02:32,280
it?

1927
02:02:33,030 --> 02:02:35,070
Dave Jones: It's anonymous. It
came through curio

1928
02:02:35,580 --> 02:02:37,650
Adam Curry: Oh cute. Of course
curio caster would have that

1929
02:02:37,650 --> 02:02:38,670
working Of course.

1930
02:02:39,120 --> 02:02:43,350
Dave Jones: This is fun because
it says Rassie here and if

1931
02:02:43,350 --> 02:02:45,930
people on people that are
watching the stream can see it.

1932
02:02:46,890 --> 02:02:50,670
It's got the remote feed Gu ID
and the remote item Gu ID is the

1933
02:02:50,670 --> 02:02:55,110
enclosure URL. So that's late
night special.net wp content

1934
02:02:55,170 --> 02:02:59,790
halfway to somewhere. That is
really rad. Okay, so then

1935
02:02:59,790 --> 02:03:05,880
there's another 44 for 44 for
the same thing. No, okay, here's

1936
02:03:05,880 --> 02:03:09,360
a 65 656 so I need to go I need
to go in here and figure out

1937
02:03:09,360 --> 02:03:12,030
what our, like 1% of

1938
02:03:12,030 --> 02:03:15,510
Adam Curry: that was, it'll be
it'll be literally 1% Because 95

1939
02:03:15,510 --> 02:03:17,250
I think goes to the artist.

1940
02:03:17,820 --> 02:03:21,270
Dave Jones: Yeah. Okay, I'll
make those adjustments and this

1941
02:03:21,270 --> 02:03:22,830
was a debug to see what I can
see

1942
02:03:22,830 --> 02:03:25,320
Adam Curry: from this first.
Okay, lots of debugging still.

1943
02:03:25,470 --> 02:03:29,430
Dave Jones: Yes, yes, yes.
schedulers Alright, so we get to

1944
02:03:29,430 --> 02:03:33,000
those let's see we get an okay
77 777 from an anonymous The

1945
02:03:33,000 --> 02:03:33,720
Cure Katrin

1946
02:03:35,070 --> 02:03:36,810
Adam Curry: sorry striper booth

1947
02:03:38,970 --> 02:03:42,690
Dave Jones: I'm not used to that
one yet. And that's just us

1948
02:03:42,690 --> 02:03:44,910
that's not the remote on as you
said Go podcasting.

1949
02:03:44,939 --> 02:03:51,779
Adam Curry: Yes, go podcast now
No, there's

1950
02:03:51,780 --> 02:03:56,520
Dave Jones: 77 777 No. Three key
questions go podcasting. ADAM

1951
02:03:56,520 --> 02:04:00,270
You said Follow us on no agenda
social instead of podcast social

1952
02:04:00,330 --> 02:04:05,430
sorry about that. Alright,
you're out of control what this

1953
02:04:05,430 --> 02:04:06,030
driver base

1954
02:04:06,060 --> 02:04:07,860
Adam Curry: well it was a
striper booze What can I say?

1955
02:04:07,860 --> 02:04:08,370
No. And

1956
02:04:09,450 --> 02:04:11,190
Dave Jones: it's like Don't
blame me blame the blame the

1957
02:04:11,190 --> 02:04:16,860
donor anonymous again 7777 This
one's got a row. Now this is

1958
02:04:16,860 --> 02:04:20,940
interesting. This is comes from
curio caster. This one has the

1959
02:04:20,940 --> 02:04:25,620
new reply address and reply key
and reply value. Wow. So you can

1960
02:04:25,620 --> 02:04:29,610
hit reply. Yeah, we could
technically boost back to this

1961
02:04:29,610 --> 02:04:30,120
person. I

1962
02:04:30,150 --> 02:04:32,970
Adam Curry: hope that on helipad
because little Reply button that

1963
02:04:32,970 --> 02:04:34,080
would be so cool.

1964
02:04:35,640 --> 02:04:37,320
Dave Jones: That's part of
taking the hell pad out to

1965
02:04:37,320 --> 02:04:38,640
dinner that's what's gonna
happen

1966
02:04:38,670 --> 02:04:41,100
Adam Curry: oh, heli pad let me
stroke you. You're gonna love

1967
02:04:41,100 --> 02:04:41,970
your new upgrade

1968
02:04:45,240 --> 02:04:49,470
Dave Jones: the golden dragon
Synthesia duck road ducks 2222

1969
02:04:50,070 --> 02:04:52,110
through fownes as Jupiter
broadcasting community

1970
02:04:52,139 --> 02:04:54,359
Adam Curry: checking in great
Jupiter broadcasting community

1971
02:04:54,359 --> 02:04:54,659
Hello.

1972
02:04:55,380 --> 02:04:58,230
Dave Jones: These laughs and is
3333 through fountain says

1973
02:04:58,230 --> 02:05:00,780
thanks for allowing us peasants
to be a fly On the wall I feel

1974
02:05:00,780 --> 02:05:03,780
like I'm back in my corporate
days with more fun, of course.

1975
02:05:04,260 --> 02:05:04,980
Oh, yes, no

1976
02:05:04,980 --> 02:05:06,240
Adam Curry: kidding. No kidding,

1977
02:05:06,479 --> 02:05:12,059
Dave Jones: bombshell. John
Siebert. Oh 100,000 SATs oh man

1978
02:05:13,109 --> 02:05:17,909
Unknown: Sakala 20 is Blaze on
am Paula nice

1979
02:05:18,780 --> 02:05:20,130
Dave Jones: to pod verse no
note,

1980
02:05:20,160 --> 02:05:22,650
Adam Curry: thank you john
Siebert does highly appreciate

1981
02:05:22,650 --> 02:05:23,670
it. Feel

1982
02:05:23,670 --> 02:05:28,260
Dave Jones: free to drop a note
and it's been 4096 with a 4k

1983
02:05:28,260 --> 02:05:32,250
killer boost of cast ematic he
says props to the party progress

1984
02:05:32,340 --> 02:05:37,830
on pod friend and to Martin's
openness to feedback. See John

1985
02:05:37,830 --> 02:05:40,200
seabird again with another
100,000 SATs.

1986
02:05:41,130 --> 02:05:46,590
Unknown: Followers Sakala 20 is
Blaze on am Paula it's going

1987
02:05:46,590 --> 02:05:47,610
crazy man.

1988
02:05:47,939 --> 02:05:51,329
Dave Jones: It's going nutty
around here C. C. G O Jean beans

1989
02:05:51,329 --> 02:05:53,939
again with a 4k killer boost. He
says Casta Matic for the

1990
02:05:53,939 --> 02:05:58,109
conference stuff. Be sure you
also post split kit QR codes all

1991
02:05:58,109 --> 02:06:02,189
over it too. Yes, for sure.
Yeah, sure. Absolutely. No, get

1992
02:06:02,189 --> 02:06:07,139
a 2222 from anonymous. Thank you
anonymous. Oh, a huge a big

1993
02:06:07,139 --> 02:06:12,179
satchel. Richard 11111 came from
Putin. I didn't know Putin,

1994
02:06:12,179 --> 02:06:13,109
listen to the show.

1995
02:06:13,830 --> 02:06:15,540
Adam Curry: Sure. It's not from
the Wagner group.

1996
02:06:18,090 --> 02:06:23,910
Dave Jones: was pre show pre
show nick or whatever. They send

1997
02:06:23,910 --> 02:06:27,300
us a boost pod verse. He says
great show again. Freaks. Thank

1998
02:06:27,300 --> 02:06:30,960
you. Thank you, Putin. Yeah,
thanks, Vladimir. Jean diensten

1999
02:06:30,960 --> 02:06:34,890
isn't at 649 through cast ematic
he says Adam, get yourself a

2000
02:06:34,890 --> 02:06:37,590
small ups for your start nine
bucks and it'll stay up during

2001
02:06:37,590 --> 02:06:38,940
transitions to generate a power.

2002
02:06:38,969 --> 02:06:41,489
Adam Curry: Yes. I saw that one
come in. Yeah, I'll do that.

2003
02:06:41,489 --> 02:06:45,029
That's a good idea. But the
problem most of these ups is

2004
02:06:45,029 --> 02:06:48,569
they die after a year or two.
They just don't work anymore.

2005
02:06:48,839 --> 02:06:53,489
The batteries lead lead acid
battery, whatever they use in

2006
02:06:53,489 --> 02:06:57,149
those. Yeah, I'll look into
that. It sent me a boost me link

2007
02:06:57,239 --> 02:07:00,209
so I can it's one you think is
good. I'll try it.

2008
02:07:01,050 --> 02:07:04,260
Dave Jones: Sir Bill 25,000. SAS
he says cheers to pot friend.

2009
02:07:04,380 --> 02:07:08,610
Yes, sir. Bill. Yes. Thank you.
Sir. Doug's in his 10,000 SATs

2010
02:07:08,610 --> 02:07:09,810
and he just says boost

2011
02:07:09,840 --> 02:07:11,610
Adam Curry: him boo boos.

2012
02:07:13,950 --> 02:07:16,410
Dave Jones: Joe W satchel
Richard through fountain. No,

2013
02:07:16,410 --> 02:07:19,830
no. Thank you, Joe. Karen, for
the mere mortals podcast. 2222

2014
02:07:19,830 --> 02:07:23,790
says yay, Martin's back, baby.
Can you also elaborate on why a

2015
02:07:23,790 --> 02:07:27,450
push for both 12 is needed?
Actually. What even is it? And

2016
02:07:27,450 --> 02:07:28,590
what can it help to do?

2017
02:07:29,670 --> 02:07:31,710
Adam Curry: Let's answer it in
reverse order. It'll make your

2018
02:07:31,710 --> 02:07:38,850
life better. That's it we'll
well. Yeah, what what what is?

2019
02:07:39,240 --> 02:07:43,020
Go ahead, give them give them?
Give me an answer.

2020
02:07:43,200 --> 02:07:45,060
Dave Jones: Well, the biggest
the biggest push, the biggest

2021
02:07:45,060 --> 02:07:47,730
reason to push for Bolt 12 is
because it allows for open

2022
02:07:47,730 --> 02:07:51,660
invoices. So you can just
generate an invoice once. And

2023
02:07:51,660 --> 02:07:55,140
that invoice can be used
forever. So you can get away

2024
02:07:55,140 --> 02:07:55,950
from key sin.

2025
02:07:55,979 --> 02:07:57,989
Adam Curry: Yeah, that's the
main thing. And that and then it

2026
02:07:57,989 --> 02:08:00,179
would work with almost any
wallet, correct?

2027
02:08:01,649 --> 02:08:04,109
Dave Jones: Yes, that's right.
That's a key. Yeah. If it's

2028
02:08:04,139 --> 02:08:06,929
because it would be part of the
spec at that point. If if it

2029
02:08:06,929 --> 02:08:11,879
gets adopted by l&d, which is
the holdup? Yeah. And but l&d

2030
02:08:11,879 --> 02:08:14,969
has, like 90% market share. So
that's, you see where that's

2031
02:08:14,969 --> 02:08:18,629
going. So but yeah, both 12 has
a lot, it has more than that

2032
02:08:18,629 --> 02:08:21,689
involved in it. But that's sort
of that's the biggest thing for

2033
02:08:21,689 --> 02:08:27,059
what we're doing. Is that the
problem with key send is that

2034
02:08:27,059 --> 02:08:35,789
you can't get proof of payment.
You have to because the because

2035
02:08:35,789 --> 02:08:38,999
the secret value that's
generated in order as the seed

2036
02:08:38,999 --> 02:08:43,679
value that's sent back to the
payer, you're not that's not

2037
02:08:43,679 --> 02:08:44,249
happening.

2038
02:08:45,960 --> 02:08:46,920
Adam Curry: Spray and Pray.

2039
02:08:47,460 --> 02:08:50,790
Dave Jones: Yes, exactly. Yeah.
You know this, you know that the

2040
02:08:50,790 --> 02:08:53,730
payment was received, but you
can't prove it. Right. So that's

2041
02:08:53,730 --> 02:09:00,330
that's the issue. Can you go
through as soon as 3521 says the

2042
02:09:00,330 --> 02:09:05,610
pot friend, no note. Let's see.
We got 2048 from the Golden

2043
02:09:05,610 --> 02:09:08,580
Dragon says V for V rocks. I was
wondering though, how can I

2044
02:09:08,580 --> 02:09:10,440
implement this for my blog?

2045
02:09:13,979 --> 02:09:18,389
Adam Curry: Yeah. Yeah, that's a
good one. That's a good

2046
02:09:18,389 --> 02:09:21,929
question. Yeah, no one's really
figured that out yet. I don't

2047
02:09:21,929 --> 02:09:22,499
think

2048
02:09:23,160 --> 02:09:25,350
Dave Jones: there is a medium
tag for them. You could put a

2049
02:09:25,350 --> 02:09:27,270
medium tag of blog because there
is.

2050
02:09:27,630 --> 02:09:31,470
Adam Curry: Oh, really? Yeah.
Yeah. Interesting. I'm going to

2051
02:09:31,470 --> 02:09:32,760
try that. See what happens.

2052
02:09:33,450 --> 02:09:35,670
Dave Jones: We got a bunch of
test booths from Sam Sethi Thank

2053
02:09:35,670 --> 02:09:39,090
you, Sam. Appreciate and we got
them. They work. From Captain

2054
02:09:39,090 --> 02:09:42,420
Egghead a central Richard 111.
ones are pod verse he says

2055
02:09:42,420 --> 02:09:49,020
boosting with extra 1823 app fee
to support issue 1823 The time

2056
02:09:49,020 --> 02:09:52,950
value split on pod verse image
note that the competition is

2057
02:09:52,950 --> 02:09:54,720
getting a split of this boost.

2058
02:09:57,000 --> 02:09:59,970
Adam Curry: coopetition folks,
not competition cooperation.

2059
02:10:00,000 --> 02:10:03,360
Dave Jones: And this sounds like
this sounds like a threat is

2060
02:10:03,360 --> 02:10:03,720
what this

2061
02:10:04,140 --> 02:10:07,290
Adam Curry: little bit. Yes.
restaurant name passive

2062
02:10:07,290 --> 02:10:08,490
aggressive at least.

2063
02:10:08,970 --> 02:10:13,440
Dave Jones: Yeah, let's dress
geeks and it's 10,000 SATs is

2064
02:10:13,470 --> 02:10:14,490
through pod verse.

2065
02:10:14,550 --> 02:10:16,170
Adam Curry: Yeah. Well, I think
he's the one who said he could

2066
02:10:16,170 --> 02:10:17,160
go to Amsterdam.

2067
02:10:18,030 --> 02:10:20,130
Dave Jones: Okay, yeah, he's
over there. I think he's in

2068
02:10:20,160 --> 02:10:21,030
Siena, Austria.

2069
02:10:21,510 --> 02:10:23,010
Adam Curry: It's not quite the
same thing, but

2070
02:10:24,570 --> 02:10:27,300
Dave Jones: I think he's in
Austria. Yeah. I mean, I mean,

2071
02:10:27,300 --> 02:10:28,410
he's in the EU is what I mean.

2072
02:10:28,439 --> 02:10:30,209
Adam Curry: Yes, yes. You
wouldn't need a passport.

2073
02:10:30,209 --> 02:10:33,809
Basically, he could fly there
just to get a pop on the EasyJet

2074
02:10:34,139 --> 02:10:35,969
or the Ryanair or whatever

2075
02:10:39,600 --> 02:10:41,790
Dave Jones: let's see I think I
hope I pronounce his last name.

2076
02:10:41,820 --> 02:10:45,210
Maybe it's a soundscape Okay.
May have mispronouncing bases

2077
02:10:45,360 --> 02:10:47,490
would absolutely love to help
the team do the splits for the

2078
02:10:47,490 --> 02:10:49,410
BTC 2023 in Amsterdam,

2079
02:10:49,439 --> 02:10:52,259
Adam Curry: G there you go. All
right. All right. Well, he's

2080
02:10:52,259 --> 02:10:55,499
definitely on the social so
we're gonna get this. So we have

2081
02:10:55,499 --> 02:11:00,299
people I would say familiarize
yourself with sovereign feeds.

2082
02:11:00,359 --> 02:11:01,949
That's a good start right there.

2083
02:11:03,540 --> 02:11:06,930
Dave Jones: Lemon creations are
buddy handy 1000 sets they say

2084
02:11:06,930 --> 02:11:12,510
through Cosmetics is out the Dao
De doop your database. Thank

2085
02:11:12,510 --> 02:11:13,770
you. Sweet

2086
02:11:13,800 --> 02:11:15,240
Adam Curry: it's only only
Friday.

2087
02:11:17,280 --> 02:11:21,750
Dave Jones: Omit send us 4221
through pod vs. That's, that's

2088
02:11:21,930 --> 02:11:28,530
4221 for the doop de doop, army.
Oh, 4221. Okay, yes. PS posted a

2089
02:11:28,530 --> 02:11:32,100
triplicate as a comment on issue
270 of the web UI project. But

2090
02:11:32,100 --> 02:11:39,330
thank you. The he's he's working
to help help get the we call it

2091
02:11:39,420 --> 02:11:42,630
non Latin English, non Latin
characters working in the

2092
02:11:42,630 --> 02:11:43,770
search. That's

2093
02:11:44,160 --> 02:11:46,890
Adam Curry: Oh, goodness. Yeah,
that's always that sucks. It's

2094
02:11:46,890 --> 02:11:51,510
always horrible. Way worse
things have to debug. Yeah,

2095
02:11:51,540 --> 02:11:53,970
Dave Jones: it's way past time
to get that fix. I'm gonna I'm

2096
02:11:53,970 --> 02:11:57,960
gonna get that finished. Yeah, I
think you already read those.

2097
02:11:57,960 --> 02:12:02,040
And so we got the delimiter
after blogger 3015 through

2098
02:12:02,040 --> 02:12:06,630
fountain 80 says, howdy, Dave.
And they see it's a me Memorial.

2099
02:12:06,810 --> 02:12:11,190
Nope. I mean, it's me CSB. Not
Gregory so please invite your

2100
02:12:11,190 --> 02:12:16,560
audience to visit to www.ai dot
cooking to listen to our podcast

2101
02:12:16,620 --> 02:12:19,410
with artificial intelligence
news and with AI prompt

2102
02:12:19,440 --> 02:12:23,400
engineering tips narrated by
Gregory Forman from ket. UK yo,

2103
02:12:23,430 --> 02:12:29,070
Adam Curry: yo, yo, thank you
and I just ordered the order

2104
02:12:29,070 --> 02:12:33,510
here. Whoever post that in the
chat room, summer surf, summer

2105
02:12:33,510 --> 02:12:38,670
surf, APC UPS battery backup
surge protector 14 and 25 va

2106
02:12:38,670 --> 02:12:44,400
backup battery power supply be
four to five M $59.99. I mean,

2107
02:12:44,400 --> 02:12:45,720
how could I not try it?

2108
02:12:46,109 --> 02:12:48,299
Dave Jones: You bought that
while I was reading boost? Yes,

2109
02:12:48,299 --> 02:12:48,719
sir.

2110
02:12:48,840 --> 02:12:50,790
Adam Curry: I bought it wait. In
fact, I bought it with the

2111
02:12:50,790 --> 02:12:55,830
Satoshis you just read off? No,
I did not.

2112
02:12:57,689 --> 02:12:59,339
Dave Jones: We got some
monthlies. We got Terry Keller

2113
02:12:59,339 --> 02:13:04,259
at $5 Jeffrey Rutherford $5
Jeremy Kevin all $10 Chris cow

2114
02:13:04,259 --> 02:13:11,879
and $5 Paul Saltman. $22.22
Derek J. Vickery, $21. Kit

2115
02:13:11,909 --> 02:13:16,319
daemon Cassie, Jack $15, David
Norman or buddy $25 and Jeremy

2116
02:13:16,319 --> 02:13:17,969
Garrett's $5

2117
02:13:18,300 --> 02:13:20,670
Adam Curry: Thank you all very,
very much. We also had an

2118
02:13:20,670 --> 02:13:25,230
anonymous coming through tally
coin with 1923 SATs, no note,

2119
02:13:25,230 --> 02:13:28,680
but we do appreciate that of
course, please go to podcast

2120
02:13:28,680 --> 02:13:31,470
index.org. Down at the bottom
you can find to donate red

2121
02:13:31,470 --> 02:13:35,010
donation buttons, one for
PayPal, and one for a tally coin

2122
02:13:35,010 --> 02:13:37,740
for on chain or even if you want
to send direct lightning but of

2123
02:13:37,740 --> 02:13:41,460
course, we really prefer the
booster grams get a modern

2124
02:13:41,460 --> 02:13:45,330
podcast, Apple podcast apps.com
It really is what all the cool

2125
02:13:45,330 --> 02:13:47,820
kids are doing. And of course,
you're supporting the entire

2126
02:13:47,820 --> 02:13:50,910
project you're supporting the
machines that run everything

2127
02:13:50,910 --> 02:13:56,370
from happy space to happy dance
to what are MK Ultra, what are

2128
02:13:56,370 --> 02:14:00,690
all you mean? What a party time
all these different machines.

2129
02:14:02,010 --> 02:14:04,920
Everything that's running and of
course anything that comes in

2130
02:14:05,580 --> 02:14:10,410
through the through the booster
Graham stays on the node, and we

2131
02:14:10,410 --> 02:14:13,020
use that for liquidity. If
anybody needs any, we are happy

2132
02:14:13,020 --> 02:14:15,960
to provide that and thank you so
much for sponsoring not just the

2133
02:14:15,960 --> 02:14:19,170
work that we're doing here. But
the entire project of podcasting

2134
02:14:19,170 --> 02:14:23,160
2.0 Also, of course, keeps the
the I just had to up the monthly

2135
02:14:23,160 --> 02:14:23,670
for the

2136
02:14:23,700 --> 02:14:26,580
Dave Jones: mastodon so how much
is that? No,

2137
02:14:26,670 --> 02:14:30,120
Adam Curry: it's I think it's 70
bucks now. It's not that bad.

2138
02:14:30,420 --> 02:14:33,150
It's not that bad. But you know,
you reach a certain number of

2139
02:14:34,440 --> 02:14:39,720
giblets. I think we have X
number of giblets and we have to

2140
02:14:39,720 --> 02:14:42,090
go to a bigger a bigger I don't
know

2141
02:14:42,090 --> 02:14:45,510
Dave Jones: what it is. You've
reached 47 Mega giblet. Yeah.

2142
02:14:46,230 --> 02:14:48,480
Adam Curry: You got so many
giblets going on like okay

2143
02:14:48,480 --> 02:14:52,380
everybody. So yeah, all of that
all that supported by it and we

2144
02:14:52,380 --> 02:14:56,460
love it and and of course,
everything that you boost us get

2145
02:14:56,460 --> 02:14:59,970
shared with the value block with
the app that using it with the

2146
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:05,490
Hey, sovereign feeds with Dred
Scott You know we got if we have

2147
02:15:05,490 --> 02:15:08,160
a guest to get shared with the
guests so we're all about

2148
02:15:08,160 --> 02:15:08,850
sharing

2149
02:15:09,510 --> 02:15:11,310
Dave Jones: the share it's a
sharing economy

2150
02:15:11,370 --> 02:15:12,780
Adam Curry: yes there's no
winning

2151
02:15:13,830 --> 02:15:15,540
Dave Jones: there's no there's
the winning

2152
02:15:17,399 --> 02:15:19,619
Adam Curry: let me see do I
still have that weird said

2153
02:15:19,649 --> 02:15:21,539
jingle no winning.

2154
02:15:21,900 --> 02:15:25,170
Dave Jones: I mean we do this
thing is so scissors that I

2155
02:15:25,170 --> 02:15:27,780
opened my email live on a live
stream me talking about

2156
02:15:27,780 --> 02:15:28,410
terrifying.

2157
02:15:29,580 --> 02:15:31,710
Adam Curry: Well do you were you
showing your your private Nasir

2158
02:15:31,710 --> 02:15:32,370
key again?

2159
02:15:32,850 --> 02:15:35,190
Dave Jones: Yeah, I had to
delete it out of the thing. Of

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course I showed it. I had to
literally go into the dev tools

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in Chrome in Brave and and
delete the element off the page.

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Unknown: Oh, there's no winning
we don't like to foster a

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competitive atmosphere but we
laugh a lot. Now everyone hug

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and share a secret

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Adam Curry: that's kind of our
motto. Motto secret All right my

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brother thank you so much for
all you do I'm looking forward

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to the dashboard doesn't have to
be this week can be whenever

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you're ready.

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Dave Jones: Yeah, getting there
getting there getting there and

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Adam Curry: and people raise
your hand at no agenda

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social.com I said it again
podcast index dot social if you

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need if you think you can help
out with any of these projects.

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And thank you Jason for adding
in the value time splits

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everyone doing that. I can't
wait to do the music show. I'm

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very excited about that. Very
very excited. Thank you multiple

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chat rooms. Thank you everybody.
There's no agenda tube chat

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room. Thank you at the at the
podcast and 2.0 chat room. Man

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this is a great group and you're
you know what you're also also

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pretty just makes me want to be
sick. You're also have a good

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weekend brother. Alright
everybody, we'll see you next

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week the board meeting of
podcasting 2.0.

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Unknown: You have been listening
to podcasting 2.0 Visit podcast

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index.org for more information.

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Adam Curry: It sounds like a
like a porn.