Episode 135: Maximizing the Pull

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Adam Curry: podcasting to one
over June 2 2023, episode 135

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maximizing the once again time
for your board meeting

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podcasting 2.0 weekly end of the
week enjoyment. We are the

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boardroom that runs on human
intelligence, nothing artificial

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here. I'm Adam curry in the
heart of the Texas Hill Country

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and in Alabama the man you need
to call for your enlargement

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jobs, databases that is say
hello to my friend on the other

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end, ladies and gentlemen, Mr.
De Jones.

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Dave Jones: Don't get me into
that game, please. I was the

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only databases

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Adam Curry: I was so impressed.
I was so impressed. You were

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reading it while you were
streaming it live. And we had

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lots of people watching it was
so that was fun. It was

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fantastic. You know, you had
your pussy by your side.

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Dave Jones: Adam curry,

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Adam Curry: that's what do you
mean, now you're your black cat?

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Dave Jones: I do agree with I do
agree with Alex. It is it is the

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height of folly to allow your
cat to walk around on the on the

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desk while you're doing server
maintenance. That is a very

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stupid idea. And that did not
stop me from doing it though.

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Adam Curry: This was I think we
could have a dude named Ben

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channel where all you can switch
between is the way if you didn't

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see it, people. So you basically
saw Dave screens and then in the

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corner was Dave and he would he
and he had a playlist going so

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you know we're listening to the
music we see in your, your what

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you're typing on the screen, all
your different terminal windows

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are open. And you know, and
everyone's of course waiting for

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you to show something you
shouldn't show.

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Dave Jones: Flick my credit card
number something, whatever,

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whatever you have,

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Adam Curry: then you switch it
over to the cat. And then you're

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then you popped on the mic and
like, look at my keyboard, I got

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a whole bunch of these keyboards
and it was key point keyboard

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porn. Oh, that's a great
keyboard. I love that. Where'd

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you get that keyboard? It was

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Dave Jones: interesting, is
showing off my 1980s keyboards

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that weigh 20 pounds each. Yeah,
that's great.

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Adam Curry: And in general, I
just like to say, cuz it was a

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congress, you know, no agenda,
social froze or something. I'm

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not quite sure what happened.
And then, as usual, you know,

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and it doesn't matter if people
use a resource, like our Macedon

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server for no agenda for free,
or if they pay for it doesn't

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matter. People always pitching.
And I just want to say,

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seriously, you know, now, in a
big tech land, it's called a

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glitch, you know, just as
glitch. But it's huge, long,

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long, long ago, I understood
that the people who really run

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my world and I think everybody's
world, our SIS admins, server

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admins, IT admins, do you need
to temper yourself? Yes, because

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it's, I mean, random acts of
kindness will get you very, very

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far with, with the people who
run the world, and they truly

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are the ones who run your world,
you don't know it. But when

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something goes wrong, if you're
the first one

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Dave Jones: you have partially
as I feel like I can say this

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with authority, you have
partially built your career on

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making own on being kind and be
and playing nice with sis

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admins. That has been important.
I mean, that light has been a

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part of has been part of you for
for 25 years, at least.

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Adam Curry: Actually, it goes a
little bit further than that.

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When I started doing television
when I was 19, I made sure I

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knew how everybody's job worked.
So I knew how the cameras work.

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I'm not saying that I could be a
better cameraman, but I knew how

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they worked. I knew how they how
the dollies worked, how the

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intercom work, how you press the
button to see the live feed. I

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knew how audio the audio
engineer the lighting engineer

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make up everything I made sure I
knew it because television you

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need everybody. If everyone's
not on board is going to suck if

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one person is out of sync and
it's with film I guess the same

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I don't know that much about
film but it gets similar and

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I've always wanted to know how
everybody's job worked. And so

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the similar when when technology
came along, because only then

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can I get out of it what I want
out of it is if I know how

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everything works and I can
sympathize with the issues of

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others

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Dave Jones: oh yeah yeah. So you
you need to know how their stuff

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works so that you can understand
their their frustrate you can

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empathize so you can have
empathy. Yeah, well

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Adam Curry: not just have
empathy but I can brainstorm and

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say well, okay, I don't know
exactly how this works. But can

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we do this? And if you're not
full of crap, which most people

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are at You know, then you'll
have an interesting conversation

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you'll figure it out.

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Dave Jones: Because no, because
this will cause like, no gender

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social. Is it still down?

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Adam Curry: No, no, no, it was
back up. But you know, so I

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started that Mastodon site
running on Amazon EC two

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instance. And I ran it for two
years and then it just became so

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unwieldly you know, the
upgrades, all the stuff that's

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going on the pruning of the
data, but I just couldn't handle

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it anymore. And then Matt
Hamilton stood up and said, I'll

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do it. I'll do it and I'll take
it in. I'll run it my basement

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with predictable results, like
any server from time to time,

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shits the bed. Yeah, especially
especially Mastodon, like just

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just about it's a centralized
resource. 10,000 people have an

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account and Lord knows knows how
much is federated through it.

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And just people can I mean, I
won't say they always complained

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like verge down there. That's
like, yeah, so what Okay, it'll

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come back up and yeah, but it
would just when the when the

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show was going you needed it
now.

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Dave Jones: I don't guess have
ever told you my guess we've

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ever talked about my three
pillars of helpdesk.

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Adam Curry: Oh, goodness, this
sounds like some inside info

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that will do me.

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Dave Jones: Yeah, well, I mean,
it's, it's, it's these are part

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of the it's part of a larger,
you could call it there's a lot

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more here. I mean, so like what
like one of us say these are

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like a bunch of rules of it,
where it's kind of like Ron

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Swanson's pyramid of greatness.
Maybe he has like a whole bunch

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of I got a whole bunch of these
things, but you can wrap it, but

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it's specifically helpdesk you
can rap. You can rap most. I've

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been doing helpdesk for 27
years. I started in 1990. End of

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96. Wow. So I mean, like that's
it's been I've been hands on

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with end user support in some
capacity. That was almost 30

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years Novell

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Adam Curry: networks. You were
still using Novell. Yeah, yeah.

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Dave Jones: So So I mean, this
is born out of a long, long

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experience. The three pillars of
helpdesk are all software sucks,

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and is full of bugs. That's
number one. Number two, users

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don't tell you the truth. Yep,
total number three, nobody reads

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your emails. Those are the three
pillars.

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Adam Curry: There's a fourth
one. When in doubt, install

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Adobe Acrobat Reader.

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Dave Jones: Actually, if there's
a fourth one, it's it's this if

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whatever is wrong, if you're on
Wi Fi, that's at least 50% of

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the vote. That's definitely

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Adam Curry: DNS. And there's
always a DNS as long as yes is

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always an issue.

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Dave Jones: But, but all but
the, there's a reason that rule

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number one is all software
sucks. And it's full of bugs.

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It's true, because it's true. Or
SIS admin, there's nothing you

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can do about it, though, like I
wasn't perfect case in point I

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was on I was doing an Amazon
order this morning. And, and I

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went in there to add an address
to because this was going to be

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dropped, shipped to somebody
else. So I go in there to add an

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address. And in the address
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it came up and it was it was pre
populated with something. So I

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take my mouse a click in there,
and I swipe the mouse cursor to

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the left in order to highlight
the entire string so I can

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delete it. Oh, I do that when I
swipe to the left, the address

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entry screen goes away. So I do
it again. In a in a in a trust

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select at click drag to the left
in the whole thing goes away

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again. And then it dawned on me.
This is a mobile gesture bug in

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the desktop version of Amazon.
They haven't fixed yet. This is

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on the move probably arguably
the largest highest traffic site

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in the world commerce, e
commerce and they still have a

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subtle gesture and mobile
gesture bug in their input

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forms. Of course, it also sucks
all of it

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Adam Curry: so I really wish
everyone I guess another one is

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people users always have the
caps lock on when they don't

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know their password or it's not
working that's always that's

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always kind of like a given but
what happens with in my

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household now of course I'm IT
guy here you know that's that's

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cool. But I'm also I get passed
through messages through Tina

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from her friends who she's
onboarding onto podcasting 2.0

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apps and the message usually the
message usually come through

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like this. This thing is so
glitchy so glitchy. Well, what

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are you trying to do? No and
here's actually an interesting

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one. That was like wow, really
this When I use Siri in the car,

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the podcast stops playing. Well,
yeah, of course it does. That's,

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that's the OS. That's not the
app. And but then the next thing

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is then, after I've used theory,
the volume controls don't work.

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You know, so it's stuff like
this. And there's like, it's so

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glitchy. I'm going to I'm gonna
go back to whatever you're

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feeling whatever I was using.
And I was like, no, no, no, this

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is great. thank her. Thank you
so much. And this is the other

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side of the equation. Thank you
for identifying this bug. You

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know, while you're a bug Hunter,
I need you here. I need you to

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do this. This is great. You're
helping humanity. Yeah,

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continue, please continue to
break things. Yeah, this is the

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other side of it. You know, sis
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understand that you need to, to
approach people with Wow,

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that's, I mean, that's amazing.
There's a whole a whole

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department of quality assurance
that did not find that Oh, my

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God, do you have a future job if
you want one? So we have to kind

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of live with each other. We have
to kind of do that. Anyway, back

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to the database upgrade.
Congratulations, that was that

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worked.

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Dave Jones: In it's great. Like
it's it has definitely helped

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like Millia like most certainly
it has helped load aggregation

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times. So upgrading the
database. Yeah, it was fun doing

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the live stream. That was great.
And then I'm a little addicted

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to live stream coding now.

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Adam Curry: But I can understand
it's all ego of course, but I

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can understand.

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Dave Jones: Oh, yeah, full is
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Adam Curry: 100% Oh, no.

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Dave Jones: It is it is from A
to Z ego.

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Adam Curry: I did this on Megyn.
Kelly, I can't believe it. I

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threw out 100%

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Dave Jones: And I just my number
you didn't you just did it.

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Adam Curry: And I went oh, I'm
sorry. I retract that. She said

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what what happened? What
happened? I said 100%. I'm

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trying to get away from that.
Why? Because Kara Swisher says

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it. Is it you say that? Oh,
yeah. threw her under the bus.

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No problem. No problem.

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Dave Jones: See my visa? Why
Postgres SQL instead of Mongo? i

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If you talk about the main
database, it's neither as MySQL.

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That's not Yeah, I guess it's
weird. So you want

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Adam Curry: to give us Are there
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to just give us I mean, this is
the central podcast index

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database, you know, we increased
our costs, we increased

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increased our capacity, our I
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our data retrieval speed. I
mean, tell give us a little a

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little breakdown here.

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Dave Jones: All of the above, it
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disk space, we were at at 81%
disk space usage. So that was

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going to have to change. The
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display. Second biggest issue
was just processor, we needed

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more CPU, because we're just
doing a lot more traffic. Right.

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And we had a I think people
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at the amount of horsepower, we
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instance we were using. So we
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one had 16 gigs of RAM, six
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120 database reward when he

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Adam Curry: was 16 or what you
had 16 Watts, what are those

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Dave Jones: 16 gigabytes of ram,

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Adam Curry: ram it baby.

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Dave Jones: So, I mean, if you
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Adam Curry: Oh, I love your H
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Dave Jones: I'm on h top. But if
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the all the CPU, all the cores
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everything now it's it's a 32
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always fast. Right? Pull it out
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Dave Jones: for sure. So like
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of feeds at a time according to
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Deadlock, deadlock bad.

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Dave Jones: So that got better
after the upgrade. But then I

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they're more reliable now. So

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of feeds, so like, aggregator
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Unknown: 1,000,002 million.
Okay. Right.

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Dave Jones: So that that's the
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Could you get a feel for these

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things, right? You say four of
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go up to the 4 million or 5
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Adam Curry: I knew it because
you can feel that shit. Like you

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can't. Just faster just this
faster, I know is cool.

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Dave Jones: Well, this is an
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reason, and I'm not sure exactly
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or whatever. But a lot of the
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like podcasts into 10920666. Is
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Adam Curry: we are 920666. Yeah,
that doesn't feel good.

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Dave Jones: Can't change it was
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Adam Curry: no kidding.

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Mr. Spitz are not now
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but then that may only be at any

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in the rest of, of its batch.
With, with other with feeds that

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sorted by how old how long. It's
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Adam Curry: do you have a whole
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sometimes called artificial
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we need to put that podcast
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Dave Jones: Yeah, we can claim
that we can get r&d research

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credit tax credit. Now your

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Adam Curry: talk, you know what
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Dave Jones: Oh, yeah, that, you
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Adam Curry: we have to pay
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only for people I think

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Dave Jones: it's only for
payroll, right. We don't have we

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don't have payroll wouldn't
work. So, yeah, so it feels it

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feels in that so what I wanted
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getting as many feeds as it
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have it start what's called

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Adam Curry: maximizing the pool.

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Dave Jones: Yes, maximizing the
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1000, feeds, it pulls us out. So
this would be each aggregator

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does this, it starts at 1000.
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that in if it if it will pull
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aggravator, which is the rust
polar, then it passes that batch

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of feeds to party time, which is
the JavaScript parser. If party

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time crashes, we know that there
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and it ran node out of memory.
So basically, it drops a touch

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file before it starts, passes it
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it knows that it knows crash.

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get quit it crashed it core

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dumped. Yeah. So it backs off in
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until it finds that it doesn't
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Adam Curry: There's a very
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Dave Jones: Yeah. Being
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Adam Curry: there's a lot of
this freedom controller

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knowledge.

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Dave Jones: No, this is just
stuff that we've learned since

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the index. Okay. You will the
freedom trailer never had this

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many feats to deal with, right?
True. You just never had this

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kind of problem you're talking
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Costa Rica was like 6000 feet,
you know, it's not a big deal.

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just in then stays there. And if
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tries to move up a little bit
more. If it crashes, again, it's

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it goes back down. So it'll
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Adam Curry: Now this was maybe
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question. But when it dumps
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something fundamentally is
wrong? Or is that just an out of

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memory issue?

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Dave Jones: It it runs or
shooting code

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Adam Curry: isn't just shitty
code. This is my code

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Dave Jones: as well remember
rule number one also for stocks

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and even even years, you know.
So the, the issue here is that,

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like aggravator, you can throw,
you could throw 100,000 feeds at

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it, and it will take about 30
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will never use more than 200

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Meg's RAM at the most. That's
just it's just super efficient

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megabytes of XML per feed
sometimes crazy. And so you can

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easily end up with if you pull
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Adam Curry: with gigabytes and
gigabytes of stuff. Yeah, yeah,

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Dave Jones: hand party time,
five gigs of XML data to deal

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with and he can't fit it in
memory. So it basically so that

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it does it, it just self adjust
as it goes until it finds each

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for each aggregator. And some

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now. It 250 to 300 feeds, some

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happens to be whatever mix that
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each one is maximized. I mean,
like they're they're almost you

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Adam Curry: I love this new
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Dave Jones: What is FPP? Fees?
Proposal? Fee? proposal is where

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Adam Curry: we use predominant,
we use pedometer on the on the

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index homepage. fees per pole.
Yeah, fees per pole, how many

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Dave Jones: Let's see what is
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think we're averaging about 200.
So that's so we're right, we're

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probably about 2000 feeds per
per minute. Wow. Yeah, per

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for you know, those different

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Adam Curry: And so when I hit
pod ping, do I move to the top

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of some stack? Do I have
preference when I use when I hit

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pod ping? Or does it do I have
to wait in some queue? Well, I

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Dave Jones: mean, everything's
got to be everything. He does

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Yeah, but the first thing, the

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pod ping and the pod ping
notices and the web sub

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notifications all that stuff
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automatically recheck value for

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Adam Curry: Oh, very cool. Oh,
it's so there's almost 15,000

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Dave Jones: Yeah. So those those
get run through every 30 minutes

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regardless of whether they it's
not a real burden because we're

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doing what do you call it? Like
an E tag? And yeah, to

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Adam Curry: make sure it's a 500
check, and yeah, make sure it's

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updated. Otherwise you don't you
don't pull it in.

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Dave Jones: Yeah. So we, I mean,
it's just a quick check, and we

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get three or four and it's just
it's not, it doesn't cost us

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anything to do that. Wow. Yeah,
no, it's working. That's

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Adam Curry: so cool, man. Um,
thank you on behalf of the

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entire board of podcasting 2.0
Thank you for your courage.

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doing. It's it's appreciated.

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And it's it's mystifying. It's
overwhelming. And it's also just

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baffling is like, and it's
impressive. It's impressive. And

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you have a full time job. I want
to point out, I mean, does your

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family still live with you? Do
you know if they're still

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around? Yes. They went away for
two years and came back and

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didn't even realize

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Dave Jones: I got they went out.
My wife and daughter went out of

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town. And that's what I guess.
Oh.

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Adam Curry: I was like, Wow, man
day spending his whole weekend

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doing this. Okay, now I got it.
Did you actually feed the cat or

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they just left a cat on the desk
the whole weekend?

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Dave Jones: No, it'd be fun.
Wow, water is all they need.

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Adam Curry: Wow. Well, breaking
news. Just change topic here for

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a second. As the podcast
industrial complex continues to

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crumble. Spotify is racist.
Let's get that Oh boy. Oh, yeah,

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they do this. Spurlock posted a
Bloomberg article, which he also

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gave me. So that Yeah, yeah,
Jamel Hill to leave Spotify and

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shut down her podcast network,
at least on Spotify. And this

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was a big deal. They brought her
in and let her start her own

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podcast network for black
podcasters. And it's, you know,

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it's a here's how Bloomberg
reads another another prominent

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podcasters leaving Spotify as
the company reverses many of its

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biggest investments in original
audio and loses yet another

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black voice

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Dave Jones: yet and who was the
other one?

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Adam Curry: The other one was
the button go doo doo Vernay.

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Dave Jones: I don't know that is

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Adam Curry: shift du Vernay if
the if the articles as this

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filmmaker. Okay, so what
happened? This is all Dawn

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Ostroff legacy, spending more
than a billion dollars to

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acquire studios and exclusive
licenses. And she's signed to

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much fanfare several black
celebrities to exclusive deals

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including the Obamas of course
high their production company

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Higher Ground filmmaker Ava
DuVernay and rapper Joe Budden.

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And du Vernay, she left, you
know, when, when Joe Rogan was

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when they when she when they
created the super clip of Joe

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Rogan using the N word.

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Dave Jones: Oh, I didn't really
okay, so that was that. Alright.

437
00:28:11,940 --> 00:28:13,890
Adam Curry: So she just left
because they wouldn't do

438
00:28:13,890 --> 00:28:17,130
anything. But I think the really
scandalous thing. And this, you

439
00:28:17,130 --> 00:28:19,560
know, these are Swedes, so they
don't, they're probably not as

440
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:23,070
sensitive as they should be to
how Kancil culture works in

441
00:28:23,070 --> 00:28:32,130
America. When all this happened,
then Jamel Hill, then she's

442
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,800
she's famous, you know, she was
ESPN. And then she got fired

443
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:36,780
from ESPN for being just insane.

444
00:28:37,710 --> 00:28:40,260
Dave Jones: She said she had
reason to fire somebody.

445
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:43,320
Adam Curry: So she issued a
statement saying, you know, we

446
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:48,300
need to have Spotify paying $100
million to a black person, which

447
00:28:48,300 --> 00:28:51,240
at the time was was what Rogan's
deal was reported to be,

448
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:54,900
although, of course, we know
that probably much more. And so

449
00:28:54,900 --> 00:28:58,170
what they did is they eventually
created the Creator Equity Fund,

450
00:28:58,710 --> 00:29:02,340
which will be $100 million. And
they pretty much didn't spend

451
00:29:02,340 --> 00:29:03,780
any of that as far as I know.

452
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:08,460
Dave Jones: Yet another example
of Spotify, announcing something

453
00:29:08,460 --> 00:29:09,540
but never actually doing

454
00:29:09,570 --> 00:29:12,600
Adam Curry: exactly. So I don't
know what she's going to do

455
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:15,540
where she but I think in
general, the problem is Spotify

456
00:29:15,540 --> 00:29:17,100
can't afford to do this anymore.

457
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:19,890
Dave Jones: I don't think
anybody can afford to do this

458
00:29:19,890 --> 00:29:22,500
anymore. Based on the news from
the past week with all the

459
00:29:22,500 --> 00:29:26,850
women's podcast conferences are
not getting funding all all all.

460
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:31,560
All of the identity groups
within podcasting. Have you

461
00:29:31,620 --> 00:29:34,890
funded during the good times?
Yep, all the money is going

462
00:29:34,890 --> 00:29:41,760
away. And you see the the people
who who like virtue signaling

463
00:29:41,790 --> 00:29:46,020
they were on board with the with
these groups, they're all just

464
00:29:46,020 --> 00:29:48,960
yanking it back and all taking
they're taking the money back

465
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:49,110
and

466
00:29:49,140 --> 00:29:52,050
Adam Curry: I think the the
conferences really, I think as

467
00:29:52,050 --> 00:29:54,270
far as I understand that
business really need the

468
00:29:54,270 --> 00:29:58,740
sponsors. And I don't think that
she conference got any sponsors

469
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:02,700
that I wish They just said we
didn't have enough people to

470
00:30:02,700 --> 00:30:06,990
attend. Now to make it work
that, because it's very sad

471
00:30:06,990 --> 00:30:12,090
story. But you know, the
conference business is not easy.

472
00:30:12,750 --> 00:30:13,140
It's not

473
00:30:13,140 --> 00:30:15,840
Dave Jones: an easy thing to do.
You have to like, if I

474
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:20,190
understand it correctly, you
have to, like pre, like pre

475
00:30:20,190 --> 00:30:24,390
agree or maybe even pre pay in
advance for like concession.

476
00:30:24,390 --> 00:30:24,630
Yeah, all

477
00:30:24,630 --> 00:30:26,910
Adam Curry: kinds of stuff. You
gotta you gotta you gotta

478
00:30:26,910 --> 00:30:27,660
reserve stuff.

479
00:30:27,690 --> 00:30:29,760
Dave Jones: Yeah, it's I was the
only thing I did didn't

480
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:34,470
understand about that story was,
like, where it said, one of the

481
00:30:34,470 --> 00:30:37,650
ladies involved said that she
had taken out a $50,000 loan

482
00:30:37,650 --> 00:30:43,470
personally. Covers. And I was
like, but which is fine, but I

483
00:30:43,470 --> 00:30:46,200
don't know, what would you be
getting a loan against? What's

484
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:47,070
the collateral?

485
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:51,810
Adam Curry: You can get, you can
get money, you know, got a crazy

486
00:30:51,810 --> 00:30:54,030
range or whatever. I mean,
there's all kinds of ways to do

487
00:30:54,030 --> 00:30:54,330
that.

488
00:30:54,780 --> 00:30:56,490
Dave Jones: mean, like, I'm just
saying, Oh, she didn't put her

489
00:30:56,490 --> 00:30:57,030
house up.

490
00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:01,650
Adam Curry: No, that's horrible.
But this is, this is what was

491
00:31:01,650 --> 00:31:05,130
expected to happen once the free
money train was over. We

492
00:31:05,130 --> 00:31:08,640
predicted this quite, quite
clearly. But there's other

493
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:14,250
stuff. It's very interesting to
hear how there's a lot of

494
00:31:14,250 --> 00:31:17,760
pushback now. And as people
realize, YouTube is a bad actor.

495
00:31:17,790 --> 00:31:24,630
Oh, no. What, who expected that?
You know, everyone's everyone

496
00:31:24,630 --> 00:31:28,020
got so excited about Facebook.
And, you know, and all these

497
00:31:28,020 --> 00:31:31,470
companies promising stuff, and
they never come through. But

498
00:31:31,470 --> 00:31:36,090
YouTube, which is a Google
property is is is of particular

499
00:31:36,090 --> 00:31:41,940
interest, because they have a
history of ruining RSS projects.

500
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:46,230
Specifically reader, you know,
that that really just crashed

501
00:31:46,230 --> 00:31:51,570
and entire, an entire software
category, you know, there were

502
00:31:51,570 --> 00:31:55,380
there were lots of if you didn't
use a an independent,

503
00:31:55,380 --> 00:31:59,400
independent application, you
could use Google Reader on

504
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:02,130
Google. And they just shut it
down with some bullcrap thing,

505
00:32:02,130 --> 00:32:04,410
oh, people aren't using it. And
they started their social

506
00:32:04,410 --> 00:32:08,040
network, because they really
couldn't control it. And, you

507
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:10,830
know, now that I'm hearing that
at least one I'm hearing from a

508
00:32:10,830 --> 00:32:14,310
good source, at least one
hosting company will be

509
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:20,550
cooperating with YouTube. You
know, I have to I have to just

510
00:32:20,550 --> 00:32:26,070
say, again, this is a very bad
idea. You are putting the entire

511
00:32:26,100 --> 00:32:31,530
podcast infrastructure at risk,
because it's always a race to

512
00:32:31,530 --> 00:32:35,400
the bottom in the hosting
business. You know, and by that,

513
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:40,770
I mean, everyone's doing dai
inserting ads. So I think that

514
00:32:40,770 --> 00:32:45,180
the the CPM, and the actual
value of that is that's just

515
00:32:45,180 --> 00:32:49,110
going straight down. It always
does is how it works. supplies a

516
00:32:49,110 --> 00:32:54,300
man. Yeah, race to the bottom.
But you know, when I get right

517
00:32:54,300 --> 00:32:59,100
now, AI is the hot thing I was
talking about ai, ai and

518
00:32:59,100 --> 00:33:03,090
Buzzsprout has implemented AI.
And that's fine. I think the

519
00:33:03,090 --> 00:33:06,810
more I look at artificial
intelligence, compared to the

520
00:33:06,810 --> 00:33:10,650
hype of blockchain, which lasted
for a good five, six years

521
00:33:10,650 --> 00:33:16,770
there. In general, AI is good
for the economy, because

522
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:19,770
everyone hypes it up, and you
all got to have it and everyone

523
00:33:19,770 --> 00:33:22,440
starts sticking it into their
company name and, you know,

524
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:25,590
money flows, and people start
using it and there's excitement

525
00:33:25,590 --> 00:33:29,730
but the AI winter is coming. But
you know, what happens is one

526
00:33:29,730 --> 00:33:33,030
company does it then everybody
I've just listened to pod news

527
00:33:33,060 --> 00:33:36,690
weekly review. So are you guys
doing AI? Yeah. Are you guys

528
00:33:36,690 --> 00:33:42,060
gonna do YouTube yet? We're
gonna do Don't, don't. We have

529
00:33:42,060 --> 00:33:47,790
such a Can't we cannot compete
with Google's ad insertion, but

530
00:33:47,790 --> 00:33:51,990
we certainly can not help them
out. And we and we do have other

531
00:33:52,230 --> 00:33:55,920
really cool things that we
cannot, you know, okay, so we're

532
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:59,070
finally kind of everyone getting
transcripts going in and

533
00:33:59,070 --> 00:34:04,680
chapters, we have value for
value, which is completely

534
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:10,590
different from the advertising
game. build this out and promote

535
00:34:10,590 --> 00:34:14,910
that more. And I just don't
think that people who are either

536
00:34:14,910 --> 00:34:19,770
podcasting now or starting a
podcast are all like, oh, I need

537
00:34:19,770 --> 00:34:22,680
to have artificial intelligence,
do my show notes. I just don't

538
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:25,560
believe it. It's a marketing
thing. It's used for new

539
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:32,220
customers as far it just that's
my, my, my experience, guess

540
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:36,600
Dave Jones: what? So you know,
in the tax industry, which is my

541
00:34:36,630 --> 00:34:44,820
day job, the we've been through
this cycle, many many times. And

542
00:34:44,850 --> 00:34:52,500
we if you go back to 2017 2019.
There in you go to a tax

543
00:34:52,500 --> 00:34:55,680
conference, tax software
conference or something like

544
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:59,670
that. You're going, you would
have heard, and I did there you

545
00:34:59,670 --> 00:35:04,860
would have heard heard keynote.
He keynote talk after keynote

546
00:35:04,860 --> 00:35:08,190
talk after breakout session
after breakout session about

547
00:35:08,190 --> 00:35:14,550
blockchain and machine learning
and AI. This was six Dino This

548
00:35:14,550 --> 00:35:16,650
was 678 years ago.

549
00:35:16,710 --> 00:35:19,140
Adam Curry: That's the future
man. Forget about Bitcoin. The

550
00:35:19,140 --> 00:35:22,440
technology of blockchain is very
interesting. It's the future.

551
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:24,600
Dave Jones: Yeah. And voice and
voice assistants.

552
00:35:25,950 --> 00:35:27,780
Adam Curry: Voice assistants.
Yeah. All right.

553
00:35:27,810 --> 00:35:30,030
Dave Jones: There's, there's
this great article from about

554
00:35:30,030 --> 00:35:33,570
five years ago that was written
in, in an industry magazine that

555
00:35:33,570 --> 00:35:36,330
was like, the, you know, the
typical tax professional.

556
00:35:36,570 --> 00:35:39,180
Here's, here's what life is
gonna look like 10 years from

557
00:35:39,180 --> 00:35:44,220
now. Yeah, the tech, you know,
your tax professional. Jane, she

558
00:35:44,220 --> 00:35:46,890
wakes up in the morning, and she
immediately asks her voice

559
00:35:46,890 --> 00:35:50,430
assistant, hey, voice assistant,
what what do I have on my

560
00:35:50,430 --> 00:35:54,510
calendar today? In the voice
assistant says, Oh, Hello, good

561
00:35:54,510 --> 00:35:58,020
morning, Jane. You have three
appointments today, one with you

562
00:35:58,020 --> 00:36:00,960
know, this client and this
client and this client? And she

563
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:05,760
says, Oh, what, what is the
first one about is, oh, this

564
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:08,550
client wants to talk to you
wants to talk to you about their

565
00:36:08,550 --> 00:36:12,870
new business strategy that
they're contemplating. And Jane

566
00:36:12,870 --> 00:36:17,010
replies to the voice assistant.
Oh, can you run? Can you run an

567
00:36:17,010 --> 00:36:21,150
analysis of what this type of
tax situation looks like in the

568
00:36:21,150 --> 00:36:21,810
state of New York?

569
00:36:25,020 --> 00:36:27,180
Adam Curry: Star Trek Star Trek
shit. Yeah.

570
00:36:27,390 --> 00:36:30,900
Dave Jones: It is bullcrap. It's
so she like. But this, this

571
00:36:30,900 --> 00:36:35,190
whole article was about doom and
gloom, like a the tax industry

572
00:36:35,190 --> 00:36:39,630
is going to be destroyed by this
new technology. And we've been

573
00:36:39,630 --> 00:36:43,620
through this many, many times
before. And this is just the

574
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:49,050
like, this is the the reality of
all of these things is way more

575
00:36:49,050 --> 00:36:54,720
mundane than all of that, like
you will win it fine. In I wrote

576
00:36:54,720 --> 00:36:59,310
an article for an industry trade
magazine back in 2019, about

577
00:36:59,310 --> 00:37:05,400
this very subject, that the the
reality of the way that things

578
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:09,630
like this new technologies come
into widespread use within

579
00:37:09,630 --> 00:37:15,390
industry, is they come in
through by being baked into the

580
00:37:15,390 --> 00:37:19,230
tools you already use. And so I
think bus Brad is a great

581
00:37:19,230 --> 00:37:24,690
example. So they're their tool,
lets you automatically generate

582
00:37:24,690 --> 00:37:27,360
chapter markers. That's one of
the things that does, hey,

583
00:37:27,390 --> 00:37:30,750
that's a great idea. Because now
people who didn't want to take

584
00:37:30,750 --> 00:37:33,090
the take the extra time to
create chapters, now they get

585
00:37:33,090 --> 00:37:36,120
it, they essentially get it. I
know it costs but they get it

586
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:40,710
quote unquote, for free. So
podcasting 2.0 gets more

587
00:37:40,710 --> 00:37:44,070
feature, you know, they this is
a new podcasting 2.0 enabled

588
00:37:44,430 --> 00:37:46,890
podcast that wouldn't have
before because the person didn't

589
00:37:46,890 --> 00:37:47,280
want to bother.

590
00:37:47,310 --> 00:37:50,040
Adam Curry: I do want to point
out that hyper capture has had

591
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:53,340
this capability to create
chapters automatically for I

592
00:37:53,340 --> 00:37:54,480
don't know, two years.

593
00:37:55,050 --> 00:37:57,660
Dave Jones: Probably based off
the transcript. Yes, of course.

594
00:37:57,660 --> 00:37:58,230
Yeah, of course,

595
00:37:58,230 --> 00:38:01,470
Adam Curry: you know, so, but
you know, you call it AI and

596
00:38:01,470 --> 00:38:04,560
it's cool. That's fine. That's
fine.

597
00:38:04,860 --> 00:38:07,350
Dave Jones: That's that's the
way that large language model

598
00:38:07,350 --> 00:38:12,660
technology will make its way
into now everyday use and it's

599
00:38:12,660 --> 00:38:15,300
in it's it's mundane stuff like
that. I mean, it's stuff that

600
00:38:15,300 --> 00:38:18,900
just is a slight tweak to your
already existing process. But

601
00:38:18,900 --> 00:38:23,220
Adam Curry: I I just have to
point out again, I love dred

602
00:38:23,220 --> 00:38:27,000
Scott's choices. I love dred
Scott's choice of imagery. I

603
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:32,760
love, love what he does. He's
talent. It's pure human talent,

604
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:36,240
like, Oh, this is a great
chapter based upon factors that

605
00:38:36,420 --> 00:38:43,260
AI can't even fathom right now.
Can't even take into account.

606
00:38:45,180 --> 00:38:48,930
Dave Jones: The AI thing is such
in again, we had a conversation

607
00:38:49,230 --> 00:38:53,550
at the office about this very
thing this morning. The AI thing

608
00:38:53,760 --> 00:39:01,050
is just such a tech industry.
Like, miss, they are perfect.

609
00:39:01,050 --> 00:39:05,400
They're intentionally Miss
communicating what this thing is

610
00:39:05,430 --> 00:39:08,310
Adam Curry: agreed. And it's all
for money. It's all to get money

611
00:39:08,310 --> 00:39:08,850
rolling.

612
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:12,300
Dave Jones: I got a I've got a
couple of clips.

613
00:39:12,390 --> 00:39:15,930
Adam Curry: Oh, we haven't had a
clip in a while from you, Mr.

614
00:39:15,930 --> 00:39:16,680
Jones,

615
00:39:16,890 --> 00:39:23,880
Dave Jones: one of which is Paul
throt. Explaining what and I

616
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:26,850
would I would say that Microsoft
is probably the biggest culprit

617
00:39:26,850 --> 00:39:27,840
and all this bull crap.

618
00:39:28,410 --> 00:39:31,260
Adam Curry: While it's running
on a lot of their Azure servers

619
00:39:31,260 --> 00:39:34,680
this is this week in Windows or
this week in Microsoft or is

620
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:37,260
that what this is from Windows
weekly, Windows weekly.

621
00:39:39,060 --> 00:39:43,920
Dave Jones: So he is explaining
here. In clip one, he's

622
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:47,340
explaining what what this really
is all about is the stock price.

623
00:39:47,730 --> 00:39:51,780
Unknown: We've had this
discussion in the past about I

624
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:55,440
kind of evolved over time, but I
believe that AI came out of

625
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:58,620
Microsoft at this point in time,
specifically because of the

626
00:39:58,650 --> 00:40:02,220
market cap and the stock price.
And they're a bit they needed

627
00:40:02,220 --> 00:40:06,600
something to goose that because,
you know, as your revenue growth

628
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:12,450
was 70 7070 6040 27% last
quarter, and they were they

629
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:14,790
weren't they didn't want was
Wall Street to suddenly react

630
00:40:14,790 --> 00:40:17,850
and say, Oh my God, what's going
on with this company, they used

631
00:40:17,850 --> 00:40:20,610
to be on the leading edge. And
now they're Oldsmobile again.

632
00:40:20,610 --> 00:40:23,040
And so I think AI puts them back
up with a perception.

633
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:24,690
Absolutely.

634
00:40:24,989 --> 00:40:26,759
Adam Curry: Oh, man, I'm telling
I'm using that clip for no

635
00:40:26,759 --> 00:40:30,989
agenda, thank you. Good, clear,
totally accept, and they were

636
00:40:30,989 --> 00:40:34,529
indeed the ones who first came
out. But then it got all twisted

637
00:40:34,949 --> 00:40:41,849
by the PR people also known as
propagandist. And it got turned

638
00:40:41,849 --> 00:40:44,909
into the future. And that's when
Google had to come up with barf

639
00:40:44,909 --> 00:40:45,929
and all that other stuff.

640
00:40:46,470 --> 00:40:48,180
Dave Jones: It's funny that you
mentioned the PR, or the

641
00:40:48,180 --> 00:40:52,890
marketing people, because clip
two of this sequence is about

642
00:40:52,950 --> 00:40:57,330
the marketing guy, and Microsoft
and what he you know, and the

643
00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:00,930
the email that he sent out
internally about any of you.

644
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:06,420
This is in the context of
Microsoft said, I think it was

645
00:41:06,900 --> 00:41:09,840
maybe a month ago, or a couple
of months ago, they told all

646
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:11,820
their employees that they're
basically not gonna get a raise

647
00:41:11,820 --> 00:41:14,730
this year, nobody's nobody's all
the bonuses are going to be

648
00:41:14,730 --> 00:41:17,880
tiny. Nobody's getting a raise,
basically, everything's all

649
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:23,190
their pay is frozen. And so
that's clip two is what what

650
00:41:23,190 --> 00:41:24,060
that all is about

651
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:27,930
Unknown: Chris cap, Chris
capozella, our friend gotten a

652
00:41:27,930 --> 00:41:31,320
lot of trouble recently, because
an internal email he had written

653
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:34,230
in response to employees
complaining about compensation

654
00:41:34,230 --> 00:41:37,770
and not getting raises when
public. And what he wrote was,

655
00:41:37,770 --> 00:41:40,170
he's like, guys, like, there's
nothing, you know, like, he

656
00:41:40,170 --> 00:41:42,270
doesn't control their raises, by
the way, is the market chief

657
00:41:42,270 --> 00:41:45,870
marketing officer, but he said,
Look, this very plain language,

658
00:41:46,170 --> 00:41:49,740
if you want to be compensated
better, you need to make sure

659
00:41:49,740 --> 00:41:52,770
that you're doing something to
positively impact Microsoft

660
00:41:52,770 --> 00:41:57,240
stock price. And what he meant
by that was AI, like, you need

661
00:41:57,240 --> 00:42:00,660
to make sure that you're at
your, that your job is to put AI

662
00:42:00,660 --> 00:42:04,260
into whatever your product is.
And my god, people went after

663
00:42:04,260 --> 00:42:07,230
him like he was like the
Antichrist or something. But

664
00:42:07,230 --> 00:42:10,410
really, he's really doing is
just kind of parroting the

665
00:42:10,410 --> 00:42:13,290
internal emails that Microsoft
executives were sending out last

666
00:42:13,290 --> 00:42:17,130
year saying, Guys, we are doing
AI, you need to wrap your heads

667
00:42:17,130 --> 00:42:19,350
around this, and you need to get
on board because this is

668
00:42:19,350 --> 00:42:19,920
happening.

669
00:42:20,190 --> 00:42:22,080
Adam Curry: Oh, man, I can't
even imagine the support

670
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:25,920
nightmare that's going to happen
for IT departments when the AI

671
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:29,910
gets, you know, starts indexing
all of your stuff. And you know,

672
00:42:29,910 --> 00:42:33,780
and not coming up with the right
answers. It's gonna be hard and

673
00:42:33,780 --> 00:42:37,230
even just stopping it from
indexing stuff. It's gonna be

674
00:42:37,230 --> 00:42:37,950
horrible.

675
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:40,740
Dave Jones: Oh, yeah. I mean,
we, you know, at our firm, we

676
00:42:40,740 --> 00:42:43,830
had to send it send out a
message saying, hey, you know,

677
00:42:44,010 --> 00:42:48,450
you can't use these tools.
Because I mean, you if you got

678
00:42:48,450 --> 00:42:51,450
it, that's proprietary
information. You can't just be

679
00:42:51,450 --> 00:42:54,720
handing this out to the things
as as most companies are having

680
00:42:54,720 --> 00:42:57,810
to do now, like, there's there's
all these moratoriums going out

681
00:42:57,810 --> 00:43:01,740
to everybody saying, Hey, you
can't submit our internal stuff.

682
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:05,970
But I think just like be exact.
Yeah, exactly. I mean, you're

683
00:43:05,970 --> 00:43:08,940
basically that's like, that's
like a it's like a manual data

684
00:43:08,940 --> 00:43:12,330
breach. Yeah. But we're, you
know, I go back to what Peter

685
00:43:12,330 --> 00:43:17,460
Thiel said in, I think it's this
sort of famous saying in 2013.

686
00:43:18,990 --> 00:43:22,200
He knows we're, we were promised
flying cars, and what we got was

687
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:28,830
140 characters. Yeah, that's
That's true. There is a there's

688
00:43:28,830 --> 00:43:34,080
a technological innovation. I
think his term was deceleration

689
00:43:34,140 --> 00:43:39,330
is happening. All the big. All
the big monster advancements

690
00:43:39,540 --> 00:43:44,490
have already been done. Where
there's hardly any of division,

691
00:43:44,730 --> 00:43:49,680
none of those left that we know
of. And what's what they're

692
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:53,910
trying to do now is all about
trying to just get every last

693
00:43:53,910 --> 00:43:57,660
cent. Yeah, out of the market
before this whole thing just

694
00:43:57,690 --> 00:43:58,740
just falls.

695
00:43:58,740 --> 00:44:01,260
Adam Curry: So let's be
different. I'm gonna take this

696
00:44:01,260 --> 00:44:06,810
back to YouTube. I'm making a
plea to all hosting companies to

697
00:44:06,810 --> 00:44:13,170
not participate in the YouTube
RSS ingestion. Even if your

698
00:44:13,170 --> 00:44:18,300
customers ask for it. If we
stand strong than if everyone

699
00:44:18,330 --> 00:44:21,240
says no, we're just not as an
industry, we're not doing that

700
00:44:21,240 --> 00:44:23,550
this will be the one thing we
could do, which will send a

701
00:44:23,550 --> 00:44:27,630
very, very strong message to the
world. Now, do I think that will

702
00:44:27,630 --> 00:44:32,220
happen? No, I'm pretty sure at
least one company will do this.

703
00:44:32,490 --> 00:44:35,940
And that will make everyone or
almost everyone feel they need

704
00:44:35,940 --> 00:44:39,780
to do this. So the minute that
happens, I am going to start a

705
00:44:39,780 --> 00:44:47,130
counter initiative. I am and
this is baby view. Yeah. And,

706
00:44:47,610 --> 00:44:53,040
and this is based on my
fantastic experience with start

707
00:44:53,040 --> 00:45:00,000
OS right now. No, this is the
start nine which I would say on

708
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:05,310
Roll is just like that only
start nine, doesn't string

709
00:45:05,340 --> 00:45:10,530
Dockers together, it built an OS
for this stuff. And it and you

710
00:45:10,530 --> 00:45:15,090
really don't I have not seen a
command line yet. So it kind of

711
00:45:15,090 --> 00:45:21,210
works quite well. And it's
stable. And they do have a, it's

712
00:45:21,210 --> 00:45:25,230
just it's a it's a very cool
box. I mean, it's, there's, of

713
00:45:25,230 --> 00:45:27,630
course, it's not done yet. And
there's all kinds of things they

714
00:45:27,630 --> 00:45:31,020
need to do and you need to
access it either locally or on

715
00:45:31,020 --> 00:45:34,740
tour and all this stuff but
helipad is running on it.

716
00:45:35,430 --> 00:45:39,450
Beautifully stable. The new
version also, by the way, the

717
00:45:39,450 --> 00:45:41,820
one that has the stream as well
as the boost.

718
00:45:42,209 --> 00:45:45,119
Dave Jones: Oh, the one other
GitHub. Yep. Off the repo. Yeah,

719
00:45:45,119 --> 00:45:47,609
it's been even have an image for
that yet.

720
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:50,160
Adam Curry: It's in the app
store that's in the Start nine

721
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:54,630
application store or whatever
they call it there. IPFS

722
00:45:54,630 --> 00:46:00,510
podcasting in their works. It
will be an official app soon. I

723
00:46:00,510 --> 00:46:06,030
would like to see a big plea to
our French brothers. Casta pod

724
00:46:06,030 --> 00:46:07,260
will be beautiful.

725
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:12,210
Dave Jones: Oh, yeah. Just while
you go, huh? No, as

726
00:46:12,330 --> 00:46:14,490
Adam Curry: I said, Yeah, I mean
that because I could never it

727
00:46:14,910 --> 00:46:18,450
was very hard to get cast upon
running a bundle that up in

728
00:46:18,450 --> 00:46:21,990
their app system. I think that
will be a great app to have you

729
00:46:21,990 --> 00:46:25,980
and the companies on board that
really want to support peer to

730
00:46:26,310 --> 00:46:30,690
peer tube. Thank you the next
one. And here, here's the

731
00:46:30,690 --> 00:46:37,320
question I had. Is there a way I
mean, I guess you can have

732
00:46:37,350 --> 00:46:43,620
alternate enclosure with IPFS.
Which, of course would require

733
00:46:43,830 --> 00:46:49,740
for it to work properly the apps
to add IPFS knowledge into their

734
00:46:49,770 --> 00:46:55,470
into their apps, which may not
be trivial, I'm not sure. But

735
00:46:55,470 --> 00:46:59,070
let's just say you have pinning
server, the initiative I would

736
00:46:59,070 --> 00:47:05,220
want to start is, here's your
sovereign podcasting stack. And,

737
00:47:05,310 --> 00:47:08,520
and I would start it you can you
don't have to buy start nine,

738
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:11,010
you can load start nine on your
old hardware, do whatever you

739
00:47:11,010 --> 00:47:15,390
want, you know, just like
Umbral, here's your stack. And

740
00:47:16,110 --> 00:47:21,840
distribution works through IPFS.
And here's these IPFS, like exit

741
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:27,600
nodes if you know for HTTP
access to the files. And my

742
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:33,300
initiative would require that
anyone who uses this uses value

743
00:47:33,300 --> 00:47:38,460
for value, and that there's a
upfront sharing of SATs for who

744
00:47:38,460 --> 00:47:40,800
anyone who's running one of
these nodes. Now, I don't want

745
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:43,740
to go down the filecoin route
and all that, and this is just

746
00:47:43,950 --> 00:47:47,880
coming together in my head. But
if if we start giving our shit

747
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:52,500
to YouTube, the end is in sight.
And with that, I mean the end of

748
00:47:52,500 --> 00:47:57,210
hosting companies. Because once
these guys see some money,

749
00:47:57,600 --> 00:47:59,880
they're gonna take it, they'll
take whatever they can, they

750
00:47:59,880 --> 00:48:02,880
will take it away from you, and
they'll hide the it's a little

751
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:07,650
hijack. And so the only way I
know how to do it is to resort

752
00:48:07,650 --> 00:48:13,440
to this. And I think that this
initiative could work if we, if

753
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:18,000
we really thought about it. But
the you know, we've we've had it

754
00:48:18,060 --> 00:48:25,410
this IPFS podcasting works. It
works, you load up the app, you

755
00:48:25,410 --> 00:48:28,230
blow it on the iPad, app, two
nodes now running an Umbra one

756
00:48:28,230 --> 00:48:34,440
on Start OS, and you can get
these files, and we have nodes

757
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:37,890
all over the world. It works.
And people are using it very

758
00:48:37,890 --> 00:48:42,270
few. I have a feeling that that
type of initiative will be

759
00:48:42,270 --> 00:48:47,100
needed as this as a backup plan.
Because we just can't count on

760
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:52,020
commercial hosting companies to
stay solid.

761
00:48:54,390 --> 00:48:57,360
Dave Jones: The only thing I can
say is, here's the here's my

762
00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:04,260
initial thought is you said if
they see you're said if YouTube

763
00:49:04,260 --> 00:49:07,140
starts to see the money. Yeah,
you know, that's when they'll

764
00:49:07,140 --> 00:49:11,070
do. The only thing I can think
of here is that there's just not

765
00:49:11,070 --> 00:49:14,970
that much money. It is not the
way that it's not worth their

766
00:49:14,970 --> 00:49:15,570
time.

767
00:49:15,630 --> 00:49:18,630
Adam Curry: Well, no, no, they
have a very, very well

768
00:49:18,630 --> 00:49:22,740
established advertising
business. It may not be as big

769
00:49:22,740 --> 00:49:26,280
as it was a year and a half ago,
but it's still it's a huge

770
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:29,820
behemoth. There's billions of
dollars a quarter. And you know,

771
00:49:29,820 --> 00:49:33,300
and they'll just they can insert
anything they want to do they

772
00:49:33,300 --> 00:49:36,990
have the market on advertising.
And that's literally the thing

773
00:49:36,990 --> 00:49:40,740
that they're not allowing you to
do is upload ads. So it's very

774
00:49:40,740 --> 00:49:43,800
obvious where they see the
money. They won't charge you.

775
00:49:45,150 --> 00:49:47,940
They won't charge you. But
that's where it's I mean, it's

776
00:49:47,940 --> 00:49:50,610
going to be just like Spotify,
which is now of course you know,

777
00:49:50,610 --> 00:49:53,790
we've now lived with it for how
many years we live with Spotify,

778
00:49:53,790 --> 00:49:57,540
podcasting, it's falling apart.
They've turned racist. You know,

779
00:49:57,540 --> 00:50:00,840
all this stuff is happening.
We're listening When you turn

780
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:02,880
racist, which of course they're
not, but they're going to be

781
00:50:02,910 --> 00:50:07,920
deemed racist. Now they're being
cancelled. Spotify is being

782
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:11,400
cancelled, and YouTube will slip
right in and say, Oh, we can do

783
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:13,380
it better. You watch

784
00:50:14,250 --> 00:50:17,640
Dave Jones: the. There's Well,
there's I don't know if you saw

785
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:23,490
that other article about how
it's like, it's June and Spotify

786
00:50:23,490 --> 00:50:26,580
and gimlet ringer and all the
Spotify own networks still don't

787
00:50:26,580 --> 00:50:27,780
have their budgets for the year.

788
00:50:27,810 --> 00:50:30,300
Adam Curry: No, of course not. I
haven't seen like article. I

789
00:50:30,300 --> 00:50:31,830
didn't see the article. Yeah,
that

790
00:50:31,830 --> 00:50:34,080
Dave Jones: thing's I mean,
like, it's, there's a lot of

791
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:36,960
hand wringing going on within
the Spotify production

792
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:39,780
companies. This whole thing. The
reason I say that about

793
00:50:39,780 --> 00:50:45,000
YouTube's much about the amount
of money this, then I don't know

794
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:48,600
if you've been sort of kind of
keeping track of this. But the

795
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:52,830
numbers that are reported within
the podcast industry as far as

796
00:50:52,830 --> 00:51:00,210
revenues go, they've always
been. Let's just say PSAs. But

797
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:03,390
shut Yeah, suspect. Oh, but

798
00:51:03,810 --> 00:51:06,840
Adam Curry: Yeah, hello,
millennial. Young kids.

799
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:08,250
Millennial, Dave speaking.

800
00:51:08,609 --> 00:51:14,429
Dave Jones: Yes. I heard a guy
recently. He's, he's like a 25

801
00:51:14,429 --> 00:51:16,049
or something like this. I'm
picking up the lingo.

802
00:51:18,810 --> 00:51:20,400
Adam Curry: Sketch sketch. Yeah,

803
00:51:20,430 --> 00:51:21,930
Dave Jones: I'm starting to say
cringe ally.

804
00:51:23,310 --> 00:51:25,650
Adam Curry: No, no, no, this is
so bad.

805
00:51:26,550 --> 00:51:29,880
Dave Jones: But they've always
been a little suspect. Now. At

806
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:33,810
the point, this point. They're
all over the map. I mean, you

807
00:51:33,810 --> 00:51:38,250
see, i be i think it is
reporting like $1.8 billion in

808
00:51:38,250 --> 00:51:43,110
the podcasting, you know,
industry. Let me get and then

809
00:51:43,110 --> 00:51:47,400
and then you'll have some people
saying, here's this Magellan AI

810
00:51:47,430 --> 00:51:50,820
report, which I which I always
look at, which I think is great.

811
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:54,660
Adam Curry: For comedy purposes,
is this why he's looking at

812
00:51:54,690 --> 00:51:58,350
Dave Jones: Yes, for comedy.
Yes. Supposedly, this Podcast,

813
00:51:58,470 --> 00:52:01,590
the podcast industrial complex
is worth $1.8 billion. That's

814
00:52:01,590 --> 00:52:05,880
what we've been. That's what
we've been being told. One of

815
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:09,960
the key findings of the Magellan
AI report was that podcast ad

816
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:15,180
spending in quarter four,
increased 23% year

817
00:52:15,180 --> 00:52:18,240
Adam Curry: over year. Echo
notices quarter over quarter,

818
00:52:18,240 --> 00:52:20,610
quarter over quarter. Okay.
Yeah,

819
00:52:20,700 --> 00:52:28,560
Dave Jones: so at $1.8 billion a
year. You're telling me that the

820
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:33,000
podcast ad spending went up like
$400 million in a quarter? Give

821
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:37,320
me a break. Now. This is what we
this is what we call horse

822
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:38,160
manure. Yeah,

823
00:52:38,190 --> 00:52:42,330
Adam Curry: no. And I think the
baseline number 1.8 billion it

824
00:52:42,330 --> 00:52:47,520
includes probably include Sirius
XM you know portion of revenue

825
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:50,760
from you know the quote unquote
satellite radio. I heard from

826
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:54,510
the radio stations it's in and
they don't really have numbers.

827
00:52:54,510 --> 00:52:56,640
I don't think they have the
actual numbers. Not everyone

828
00:52:56,640 --> 00:53:00,690
reports numbers. So yeah, it's
just it just whatever. I'm not

829
00:53:00,690 --> 00:53:01,290
sending it.

830
00:53:02,010 --> 00:53:05,370
Dave Jones: I bet you the total
revenue of ad podcast

831
00:53:05,370 --> 00:53:10,860
advertising. Total global I
mean, like worldwide, a real

832
00:53:10,860 --> 00:53:16,320
number is probably a few 100
million. And that's just not

833
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:21,150
anything for YouTube. That's
That's chump change. It's chump

834
00:53:21,150 --> 00:53:24,780
change. When you like look at
look at tick tock so tick tock.

835
00:53:24,810 --> 00:53:26,700
Adam Curry: That's there. Now
you can now you're talking

836
00:53:26,700 --> 00:53:28,170
that's where the real money is.

837
00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:31,530
Dave Jones: Did and this is fun.
This is a good article. So if

838
00:53:31,530 --> 00:53:33,750
you think you should read it,
you're kind

839
00:53:33,750 --> 00:53:35,880
Adam Curry: of taking away the
reason for my whole initiative

840
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:36,120
now.

841
00:53:37,980 --> 00:53:41,070
Dave Jones: Like it, go ahead.
No, no, I retract retract.

842
00:53:41,100 --> 00:53:42,720
Adam Curry: No, I mean, not now
you're saying there's no money?

843
00:53:42,720 --> 00:53:50,370
You know, I look, I look.
Alright, Joe. It just bugs me.

844
00:53:50,430 --> 00:53:53,220
This is the one thing that is
distributed in podcasting has

845
00:53:53,220 --> 00:53:57,960
done so well. And I'm worried
and in general, I'm worried

846
00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:00,450
about the health of these
companies. I don't know if all

847
00:54:00,450 --> 00:54:04,410
of them will survive the and
we're not seeing I'm convinced

848
00:54:04,410 --> 00:54:09,360
we're not seeing new podcasters
you know, it's not like the like

849
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:12,990
the industry is growing with
more podcasters just isn't I

850
00:54:12,990 --> 00:54:16,320
mean, we can see that we're not
seeing the we're not seeing an

851
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:22,410
incredible increase in new shows
being created. So you know, it's

852
00:54:22,410 --> 00:54:27,600
like it just as we say in the
old country, I can feel it on my

853
00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:31,890
water. My water is telling me
this isn't this is we're in a

854
00:54:31,890 --> 00:54:35,220
little bit of a precarious
situation. We've got people

855
00:54:35,250 --> 00:54:39,300
investing into this YouTube
thing, like they invested into

856
00:54:39,300 --> 00:54:47,220
Facebook and God note and and
and Spotify for podcasters mean

857
00:54:47,220 --> 00:54:49,260
what do you think that means?
That's literally your competitor

858
00:54:49,260 --> 00:54:50,310
you helped build there.

859
00:54:51,209 --> 00:54:54,719
Dave Jones: And I think I
understand what you're saying. I

860
00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:58,079
do and I think you're I think
your instinct. I mean, I feel

861
00:54:58,079 --> 00:55:02,129
your instincts are right because
the pot guest hosting is the

862
00:55:02,129 --> 00:55:05,429
concept, okay, the podcast
hosting concept of just, you

863
00:55:05,429 --> 00:55:08,309
know, pay him pay it, you pay a
monthly fee, and we host all

864
00:55:08,309 --> 00:55:12,029
your stuff and make it easy for
you to create content. That's a

865
00:55:12,029 --> 00:55:20,129
good business. Yeah. That's a
good solid. Like, not scammy

866
00:55:20,129 --> 00:55:23,939
business, you provide a service
and you you get that service for

867
00:55:23,939 --> 00:55:30,509
a reasonable price. Like, if, if
what happens is YouTube just

868
00:55:30,539 --> 00:55:35,759
sees that it's so easy to scan
to confiscate that entire

869
00:55:35,759 --> 00:55:37,049
business for free.

870
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:39,120
Adam Curry: Remember, you're
giving people hosting all they

871
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:43,320
have to do, all YouTube has to
do they say, Hey, you know,

872
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:47,460
what? What are you paying over
there at? And they know your

873
00:55:47,460 --> 00:55:50,910
email address. They know who you
are, but he paid over there to

874
00:55:50,910 --> 00:55:54,570
at hosting company X, you know,
we're gonna now provide RSS

875
00:55:54,570 --> 00:55:59,370
feeds. So why would you be over
there? When you get us, you get

876
00:55:59,370 --> 00:56:02,130
our marketing, you get our
placement, you get our

877
00:56:02,130 --> 00:56:05,910
promotion, you get our ads, and
here's an RSS feed. And then all

878
00:56:05,910 --> 00:56:08,280
of a sudden, they'll say, for
those legacy apps,

879
00:56:08,790 --> 00:56:12,420
Dave Jones: and you don't even
have to, yeah, that's a good

880
00:56:12,420 --> 00:56:15,450
point about the legs. Yes. And
you don't, in that scenario, you

881
00:56:15,450 --> 00:56:17,610
wouldn't even have to import
your feed, because they've

882
00:56:17,610 --> 00:56:18,210
already got

883
00:56:18,240 --> 00:56:20,580
Adam Curry: already got it. They
just turn around and say, You

884
00:56:20,580 --> 00:56:24,420
know what, instead of uploading,
they're just like the cell phone

885
00:56:24,420 --> 00:56:27,180
business, you know, we're gonna
give you $20 to come over here.

886
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:31,740
Yeah, come over here for 20
Here's, here's a bonus for $20.

887
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:34,740
And you all you have to do is
instead of going over there,

888
00:56:34,740 --> 00:56:38,130
just upload your stuff here. And
now we have RSS feeds for you.

889
00:56:38,609 --> 00:56:42,539
Dave Jones: If a if, if anchored
can run 5 million podcast RSS

890
00:56:42,539 --> 00:56:45,509
feeds at a loss and still
survive for years and years who

891
00:56:45,509 --> 00:56:48,599
can as well YouTube can do it in
their in their sleep, and

892
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:50,790
Adam Curry: YouTube would have
no problem down the line saying

893
00:56:50,790 --> 00:56:53,970
hey, you got to pay $1 A month
or whatever, it's just isn't

894
00:56:53,970 --> 00:56:57,960
such an obvious trap. And if one
big podcast host goes for it,

895
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:00,480
everybody's gonna have to go for
it. Because that's, that's the

896
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:06,150
nature of the business, your,
your, your coopetition. Anyway,

897
00:57:06,150 --> 00:57:07,530
so I, I

898
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:10,260
Dave Jones: you're convincing
the you you wave a wave of

899
00:57:10,260 --> 00:57:10,770
convincing.

900
00:57:11,609 --> 00:57:14,549
Adam Curry: Now and meanwhile,
this is happening at a very

901
00:57:14,549 --> 00:57:19,619
exciting moment in podcasting,
where we now have figured out

902
00:57:19,949 --> 00:57:27,299
how to create recreate a music
industry without the legacy of

903
00:57:27,539 --> 00:57:32,459
performing rights organizations
record labels, without Spotify.

904
00:57:32,489 --> 00:57:36,269
In fact, we are proving that
people who use our system with a

905
00:57:36,269 --> 00:57:39,809
very small audience right now,
which is what do we have? We're

906
00:57:39,809 --> 00:57:44,399
Spurlock what is podcasting? 2.0
What is our suppose it audience

907
00:57:44,399 --> 00:57:46,289
you have the numbers in front of
you? What

908
00:57:46,319 --> 00:57:48,689
Dave Jones: you mean? Like our
like?

909
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:52,350
Adam Curry: Was it 8000? Maybe
tops?

910
00:57:52,950 --> 00:57:53,730
Dave Jones: I can look it up?

911
00:57:53,819 --> 00:57:57,209
Adam Curry: Look it up. If it's
even that a very small audience,

912
00:57:57,389 --> 00:58:01,109
then we own we own the wave Lake
top five.

913
00:58:04,050 --> 00:58:06,480
Dave Jones: Wait, are you going
to play music? Yes, I am, of

914
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:11,100
course. Because I would like to
like to since?

915
00:58:12,510 --> 00:58:13,710
Adam Curry: Yes, it's called the
setup.

916
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:17,910
Dave Jones: I felt it. And I'm
also neat, but I need to take

917
00:58:17,910 --> 00:58:22,770
time, I need to take this
opportunity to launch my web

918
00:58:22,770 --> 00:58:25,530
socket listener? Because I want
to watch

919
00:58:25,590 --> 00:58:30,390
Adam Curry: Ah, yes, of course.
You want to switch the web? Man,

920
00:58:30,750 --> 00:58:33,990
you set up your own web socket
listener, God knows why. But you

921
00:58:33,990 --> 00:58:36,480
set one up, what do you do with
this web socket listener?

922
00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:39,120
Dave Jones: Well, I want to I
want to watch what Steven bass

923
00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:41,730
sending in. In the live.

924
00:58:42,180 --> 00:58:43,830
Adam Curry: Well, can you? Well,
well, can you do both at the

925
00:58:43,830 --> 00:58:47,400
same time? Can you? Can you take
a look at the at our audience

926
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:48,300
size first?

927
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:53,040
Dave Jones: First, yes, again,
let me find let me find that

928
00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:54,180
live because we

929
00:58:54,180 --> 00:58:57,990
Adam Curry: are I mean, people
are getting 100 $200 here again,

930
00:58:58,590 --> 00:59:02,070
for just being played on this
show. Now granted, we have a

931
00:59:02,070 --> 00:59:04,470
community who's interested in
this and they're supporting the

932
00:59:04,470 --> 00:59:07,200
whole set. By the way, as I'm
leading up to this, please make

933
00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:11,550
sure that you using curio
caster, or pod friend currently

934
00:59:11,550 --> 00:59:16,320
the only two the apps that
support this, who also benefit

935
00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:20,370
from these tests. I mean, I see
some nice, nice baller boosts

936
00:59:20,370 --> 00:59:24,600
going to these artists to these
musicians, which is again part

937
00:59:24,600 --> 00:59:28,440
of value for value. It really
does work. And it far surpasses

938
00:59:28,500 --> 00:59:31,410
anything these artists as
musicians, these creatives

939
00:59:31,650 --> 00:59:36,240
creators have ever gotten from
Spotify. Or they get stats, they

940
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:39,060
get some stats, you know, they
don't even hit the payout level.

941
00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:44,580
By the way, I was used I tried
boosting on pod friend and I

942
00:59:44,580 --> 00:59:46,950
don't think it went through to
the artist. I don't know if that

943
00:59:46,950 --> 00:59:51,600
was I don't know if that was
something's broken or not, but

944
00:59:51,630 --> 00:59:55,140
I'm just going to presume that
it's working. So you will want

945
00:59:55,140 --> 00:59:58,080
to either re listen to this
episode or you want to listen to

946
00:59:58,080 --> 01:00:02,520
this part of this episode. I To
support the test because the

947
01:00:02,520 --> 01:00:06,600
test what this test is resulting
in is I'm, I now have 10 emails

948
01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:12,840
a day of people saying, Hey, I
heard from this guy. Hey, yeah,

949
01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:16,230
hey look, listen, I heard from
this guy over there and I'm that

950
01:00:16,230 --> 01:00:20,040
guy that you know if you play my
song that it pays off that

951
01:00:20,040 --> 01:00:24,570
people have supported and I'm
getting friends friends of

952
01:00:24,570 --> 01:00:28,230
friends. I got a recommendation
today which I'm going to play

953
01:00:28,230 --> 01:00:33,420
from Steven B. Which we listened
to Yeah. Oh you're gonna love it

954
01:00:33,420 --> 01:00:38,790
which started out on on MSP self
hosted I believe it's now also

955
01:00:38,790 --> 01:00:43,890
been added to wave lake which I
love you know, because wave Lake

956
01:00:43,890 --> 01:00:47,400
dystopia the two that do it for
sure. Now, you can also data

957
01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:52,770
directly to the index with a
with a medium equals music tag,

958
01:00:53,340 --> 01:00:55,650
if you know what you're doing,
but I would say music side

959
01:00:55,650 --> 01:00:58,560
project.com is a good place to
start for that to get it all set

960
01:00:58,560 --> 01:01:01,170
up. And then you can get your
value block through podcaster

961
01:01:01,170 --> 01:01:06,960
wallet.com or through fountain
now we need more more people to

962
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:10,560
jump in and and create these
systems from from musicians,

963
01:01:10,980 --> 01:01:14,520
then I'm not sure what wave Lake
is doing. I don't see a lot of

964
01:01:14,550 --> 01:01:18,960
development there. We certainly
don't have any music specific

965
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:22,800
players. But I'm okay with that
because I'm bringing back Music

966
01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:29,100
Radio. That's my plan. Now I
want to hit 9421

967
01:01:29,430 --> 01:01:31,290
Dave Jones: unique listeners in
May.

968
01:01:31,620 --> 01:01:34,200
Adam Curry: So that results in a
couple 100 bucks for a song

969
01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:38,100
played once. Which is more than
you know than a song screaming

970
01:01:38,130 --> 01:01:42,420
1000s of times on Spotify.
Straight up It's just math.

971
01:01:44,430 --> 01:01:46,290
Dave Jones: It's good man. It's
good man. It's good math

972
01:01:46,290 --> 01:01:48,240
Adam Curry: is your WebSocket
listener up and running Are you

973
01:01:48,270 --> 01:01:49,740
are you good there it is I'm

974
01:01:49,740 --> 01:01:51,840
Dave Jones: listening you'll be
amazed at how many things I'm

975
01:01:51,840 --> 01:01:52,470
doing it once.

976
01:01:52,589 --> 01:01:55,469
Adam Curry: Well same here
because I had to activate the

977
01:01:55,499 --> 01:01:59,879
remote value block doing that in
sovereign feeds definitely the

978
01:01:59,879 --> 01:02:04,559
way to go. If you're running
with scissors now this is a

979
01:02:04,559 --> 01:02:07,619
little different for those quote
unquote independent songs has a

980
01:02:07,619 --> 01:02:14,069
very nice Motown kind of vibe to
it. A nice one to chill out on

981
01:02:14,069 --> 01:02:17,609
your Friday afternoon and your
board meeting with a late night

982
01:02:17,609 --> 01:02:21,869
special it sounds like a bummer
but it's not the sunshine never

983
01:02:21,869 --> 01:02:24,029
comes a podcasting 2.0

984
01:02:26,070 --> 01:02:37,800
Unknown: never got the sunshine
the sunshine until it's rain and

985
01:02:41,430 --> 01:02:42,540
life is called

986
01:02:48,900 --> 01:02:53,100
sing these words put them in
your pocket and show them what

987
01:02:53,100 --> 01:02:53,370
you

988
01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:10,740
need to know the sunshine the
sunshine the sunshine

989
01:03:37,140 --> 01:03:44,790
make your soul Chase another
dream that you can let go in

990
01:03:44,790 --> 01:04:01,650
life moves on when you feed us
so we got the sunshine the

991
01:04:01,650 --> 01:04:10,380
sunshine the sunshine train

992
01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:33,420
know

993
01:04:59,190 --> 01:05:07,290
Dave Jones: oh man I'm so
mellow, kind of almost started

994
01:05:07,290 --> 01:05:07,980
coding here.

995
01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:13,590
Adam Curry: Well, I have a have
a far end of show, we'll do a

996
01:05:13,590 --> 01:05:19,230
song as well. Very like a blink
182 type vibe. Oh, cool. Yeah,

997
01:05:19,260 --> 01:05:22,530
just really rocket into the
weekend. And of course, once

998
01:05:22,530 --> 01:05:26,430
again, I I request from all
developers, they consider

999
01:05:26,430 --> 01:05:29,940
putting in the remote value
block item tag thingamabob,

1000
01:05:29,940 --> 01:05:32,850
what's it called? The time
split. split time value.

1001
01:05:33,420 --> 01:05:35,640
Dave Jones: Yeah, they time
split value time.

1002
01:05:35,640 --> 01:05:38,490
Adam Curry: So I please, Oscar
said he's putting it into

1003
01:05:38,490 --> 01:05:41,940
fountain within the month of
June. And the minute he does,

1004
01:05:41,940 --> 01:05:46,230
we're gonna have money to talk
about that and other things. And

1005
01:05:46,800 --> 01:05:50,790
I just, I just love this. I love
this. I love this. I love this.

1006
01:05:50,790 --> 01:05:54,330
This is going to create a whole
new industry.

1007
01:05:55,380 --> 01:05:58,350
Dave Jones: So are you hitting
the I'm watching the socket

1008
01:05:58,350 --> 01:06:02,250
here. Are you hitting the Z some
sort of like saying, are you

1009
01:06:02,250 --> 01:06:06,120
having to sync it or tell it
when the song is over? Yes. Like

1010
01:06:06,120 --> 01:06:07,290
you have to do something
manually.

1011
01:06:07,710 --> 01:06:10,920
Adam Curry: Yes, yeah. So the
process here, there's a whole

1012
01:06:10,920 --> 01:06:13,920
dashboard, undervaluing time
splits on sovereign feed

1013
01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:17,910
sovereign feeds.com. And so when
you when I start the show, I hit

1014
01:06:17,910 --> 01:06:21,960
the general Synchronize button
with the show, you don't have to

1015
01:06:21,960 --> 01:06:25,380
but it just makes it easier than
post production. And then the

1016
01:06:25,380 --> 01:06:28,560
minute I start the song, I hit
the sync button. So I've already

1017
01:06:28,560 --> 01:06:31,740
loaded up the two songs I'm
playing for today. Cuz you and

1018
01:06:31,740 --> 01:06:36,300
you and you actually load them
up in sovereign feeds, because

1019
01:06:36,300 --> 01:06:39,060
you can see all the albums that
are available all the artists

1020
01:06:39,060 --> 01:06:41,880
and you and you searching
select, and you say, Okay, this

1021
01:06:41,880 --> 01:06:46,200
is the song I want pops into
your little playlist there. And

1022
01:06:46,200 --> 01:06:49,260
then the minute you hit your
play button, you sync it up so

1023
01:06:49,260 --> 01:06:54,870
that in post production, you can
easily find where the song

1024
01:06:54,870 --> 01:06:59,940
starts. It's, you know, only be
a couple seconds off. And, and

1025
01:06:59,940 --> 01:07:02,760
then when the song ends, I hit
the big red button that says

1026
01:07:02,760 --> 01:07:06,900
Activate podcasters value block.
And that's and that's which is

1027
01:07:06,900 --> 01:07:11,130
the wallet back and and the
artwork back, I believe. Okay,

1028
01:07:11,490 --> 01:07:16,530
okay. It's really it's, it's
quite simple to comprehend and

1029
01:07:16,530 --> 01:07:20,190
quite easy to use. And then when
I go to post production, I can

1030
01:07:20,190 --> 01:07:23,850
literally copy over the value
block. I mean, the whole thing

1031
01:07:23,880 --> 01:07:28,650
works. Sovereign feeds.com Is my
Swiss Army knife of feed

1032
01:07:28,650 --> 01:07:30,420
creation telling you right now,

1033
01:07:30,960 --> 01:07:34,050
Dave Jones: well, this kind of
heads us in the direction of

1034
01:07:34,050 --> 01:07:38,400
talking about goods because
remote value in a value time

1035
01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:42,930
split a relies on remote item
which references a good as its

1036
01:07:42,930 --> 01:07:47,280
primary way of finding a
podcast, right. And had an

1037
01:07:47,310 --> 01:07:54,630
grippit. at a at a good
conversation with with brown of

1038
01:07:54,630 --> 01:07:58,650
London the other day, he called.
And we just talked through goods

1039
01:07:58,650 --> 01:08:01,530
and everything. And he was like,
you know, look, I think I want

1040
01:08:01,530 --> 01:08:06,870
to make a service that you can
run yourself, like anybody can

1041
01:08:06,870 --> 01:08:12,480
run it as a part of helping to D
decentralize the media services

1042
01:08:12,480 --> 01:08:14,970
away from podcast index. So we
don't have to host the whole

1043
01:08:14,970 --> 01:08:20,880
world. And here's like this,
yes, this, this resolution piece

1044
01:08:20,880 --> 01:08:24,780
feels like a good way to do
that, like this feels. When you

1045
01:08:24,780 --> 01:08:27,810
talk about resolving things,
it's good. That's a good

1046
01:08:27,810 --> 01:08:33,240
decentralization methods are
like DNS. So and he described it

1047
01:08:33,240 --> 01:08:35,670
to me, he's like, you know, I
think I can just sit down the

1048
01:08:35,670 --> 01:08:42,150
weekly database from podcast
index, and loaded up in this in

1049
01:08:42,150 --> 01:08:47,370
this Docker container app. And
then you we can just have

1050
01:08:47,370 --> 01:08:50,340
multiple resolvers anybody with
you can run it for five bucks on

1051
01:08:50,340 --> 01:08:51,630
a Linode. And

1052
01:08:52,379 --> 01:08:54,479
Adam Curry: just something that
everybody can everyone, but

1053
01:08:54,479 --> 01:08:57,149
everybody can run one. And then
we'll have some kind of round

1054
01:08:57,149 --> 01:09:01,199
robin system that you ping a
central, a central resource and

1055
01:09:01,199 --> 01:09:03,839
send you to the one anyone the
next one on the list.

1056
01:09:04,709 --> 01:09:06,599
Dave Jones: Yeah, so that that
was that was kind of like,

1057
01:09:07,319 --> 01:09:10,619
phase, sort of phase two of what
I was thinking like, you know,

1058
01:09:10,619 --> 01:09:14,459
get get these things rolling.
And then anybody who wanted to

1059
01:09:14,459 --> 01:09:18,839
participate, we could throw in
just a, you know, a round robin

1060
01:09:18,839 --> 01:09:23,339
DNS resolver, that gives you a
random one, you know, on the

1061
01:09:23,339 --> 01:09:27,839
back end, right. So so that your
you know, it's it's load

1062
01:09:27,839 --> 01:09:31,589
balancing itself, their DNS,
just a simple share method.

1063
01:09:31,619 --> 01:09:36,209
Sure. And I mean, I think that's
a nice idea. Don't there's one

1064
01:09:36,209 --> 01:09:42,389
thing, but one thing we got to
talk through is the how to

1065
01:09:42,389 --> 01:09:51,539
resolve those couple things. If
so, we have we have two general

1066
01:09:51,539 --> 01:10:00,209
issues. One is good resume good
conflicts. And this fits into

1067
01:10:00,209 --> 01:10:04,199
the larger idea of just
duplicates in general. So we

1068
01:10:04,199 --> 01:10:10,739
know that the idea of a podcast
guid is sound, right? The is a

1069
01:10:10,739 --> 01:10:14,519
decentralized idea that the
podcast declares its it within

1070
01:10:14,519 --> 01:10:21,269
itself. And we decided early on,
that's not a problem. Because

1071
01:10:21,659 --> 01:10:29,009
when the in the case where a
another feed claims to have the

1072
01:10:29,009 --> 01:10:36,599
same good as a different feed,
then you you will now you're

1073
01:10:36,629 --> 01:10:39,209
it's not a problem, because now
you're letting the world know.

1074
01:10:39,779 --> 01:10:42,569
You're letting the world know
that I've done something wrong

1075
01:10:42,569 --> 01:10:46,799
with my feed. Right. So the
world can tell you back hey, go

1076
01:10:46,799 --> 01:10:47,639
fix your feed.

1077
01:10:49,260 --> 01:10:51,930
Adam Curry: Yeah, which is
exactly I had this exact problem

1078
01:10:51,930 --> 01:10:56,520
I had because of a sovereign
feeds issue. I had a duplicate

1079
01:10:56,520 --> 01:11:02,190
guid and Spurlock said, Hey, no,
no, no, no, no. Yeah. And that's

1080
01:11:02,190 --> 01:11:03,300
how it's supposed to work.

1081
01:11:03,840 --> 01:11:09,150
Dave Jones: And we we except
this sort of thing. In lots of,

1082
01:11:09,630 --> 01:11:15,000
of areas of networking
technology, for instance, Oh,

1083
01:11:15,000 --> 01:11:15,240
yeah.

1084
01:11:15,840 --> 01:11:18,690
Adam Curry: IP addresses. Yeah.
And MAC address clashes, all

1085
01:11:18,690 --> 01:11:19,050
kinds of

1086
01:11:19,049 --> 01:11:22,379
Dave Jones: stuff clashes. Yes,
addressing clashes are common.

1087
01:11:22,649 --> 01:11:26,219
And when you and the way that
you resolve them is you get

1088
01:11:26,219 --> 01:11:29,729
notified of them and you go fix
it. Right. So this is not an

1089
01:11:29,729 --> 01:11:36,149
issue. But the the, that is not
an issue, the issue is how do we

1090
01:11:36,149 --> 01:11:41,549
resolve them? And I think this
fits into the broader discussion

1091
01:11:41,579 --> 01:11:49,649
of I need to give, I need to
provide tools to you primarily,

1092
01:11:49,649 --> 01:11:56,309
but then other people within the
podcasting 2.0. Project, to help

1093
01:11:58,500 --> 01:12:01,590
Adam Curry: adjust and fix these
things to cure these issues.

1094
01:12:01,590 --> 01:12:02,100
Yes,

1095
01:12:02,280 --> 01:12:05,340
Dave Jones: yes. So here's my
initial niche, throw this out at

1096
01:12:05,340 --> 01:12:09,240
you first mind sort of initial
thoughts.

1097
01:12:09,299 --> 01:12:11,129
Adam Curry: This is a point of
personal privilege for the

1098
01:12:11,129 --> 01:12:13,829
board. Yes, yes.

1099
01:12:13,830 --> 01:12:15,900
Dave Jones: I would live Yes,
comrade, I would like to have

1100
01:12:16,409 --> 01:12:18,659
Adam Curry: the privilege
granted comrade.

1101
01:12:18,930 --> 01:12:24,900
Dave Jones: Okay. My initial
thought was, you need as the

1102
01:12:24,900 --> 01:12:30,630
main, you know, help desk for
podcasts index, you need a

1103
01:12:30,960 --> 01:12:36,900
dashboard. Yeah. To log into
that you can just go and do a

1104
01:12:36,900 --> 01:12:41,220
couple of quick utility
functions, reset the feed, which

1105
01:12:41,220 --> 01:12:45,600
clears it and pulls a fresh one.
Yep. Or kills it to get all

1106
01:12:45,600 --> 01:12:48,420
together, like just those two
tools alone, I think would solve

1107
01:12:48,420 --> 01:12:49,500
90% of your issues,

1108
01:12:49,500 --> 01:12:53,070
Adam Curry: right? Maybe even
95? Yeah, it's always like, hey,

1109
01:12:53,310 --> 01:12:56,190
you know, I did this, but it
doesn't show up. So complete

1110
01:12:56,190 --> 01:13:01,440
refresh would be great. And get
me out of your database, or the

1111
01:13:01,680 --> 01:13:05,760
I have 15 versions of my feed.
Yeah, all of this is really

1112
01:13:05,760 --> 01:13:07,230
those two functions. Exactly.

1113
01:13:07,710 --> 01:13:10,410
Dave Jones: Okay, so the first
two things, the reset the feed

1114
01:13:10,410 --> 01:13:15,300
from scratch, and end market as
dead. Those two functions are

1115
01:13:15,300 --> 01:13:19,740
simple. The third one of those,
and though and those are ones

1116
01:13:19,740 --> 01:13:27,540
that you get? The the third one
seems like the bigger issue. And

1117
01:13:27,540 --> 01:13:31,350
here's what I thought on that.
There needs to generally be a

1118
01:13:31,350 --> 01:13:37,020
way that we can say, okay,
these, these designated

1119
01:13:37,170 --> 01:13:48,060
individuals get access to some
sort of dashboard, where were

1120
01:13:48,060 --> 01:13:57,690
you, on request are given a
batch of duplicate fields, then

1121
01:13:57,690 --> 01:14:03,180
you can go through and result
like you can mark Okay, this one

1122
01:14:03,210 --> 01:14:07,590
is a duplicate of this, like,
you can do that you can fix it,

1123
01:14:07,620 --> 01:14:15,900
you can fix up the issue. And
let me know, I don't know what

1124
01:14:15,900 --> 01:14:17,580
necessarily the UI looks like
that.

1125
01:14:17,669 --> 01:14:20,939
Adam Curry: But this is a D
duping task. Is that what this

1126
01:14:20,939 --> 01:14:24,179
is? Uh, you can you can say,
hey, I have an hour, give me

1127
01:14:24,179 --> 01:14:27,329
some dupes. And I'll run through
them and see what the problem

1128
01:14:27,329 --> 01:14:29,999
is. Yes, it's called human
intelligence.

1129
01:14:30,180 --> 01:14:34,140
Dave Jones: Exactly. And we know
that. Well, we'll see there's a

1130
01:14:34,140 --> 01:14:39,600
better word for that
unanimously. So we know that

1131
01:14:41,610 --> 01:14:45,120
there are only about 50,000
dupes in the database total. We

1132
01:14:45,120 --> 01:14:52,080
had somebody run those numbers.
And so if we had, you know, an

1133
01:14:52,080 --> 01:14:55,770
army of people watching the
gates so to speak, they could

1134
01:14:55,770 --> 01:14:56,970
clean that up in no time.

1135
01:14:57,000 --> 01:15:00,480
Adam Curry: Yeah, no kidding. I
mean, I got time. I Should I

1136
01:15:00,480 --> 01:15:05,520
agree when asked Tina here? Do
you do please? Do some homework?

1137
01:15:05,520 --> 01:15:07,830
Yeah, she'll do it. She'll do
it. A lot of people will do that

1138
01:15:07,830 --> 01:15:10,410
everyone will love participating
in that. Absolutely.

1139
01:15:10,979 --> 01:15:13,079
Dave Jones: And so I thought if
we had if we had it laid out on

1140
01:15:13,079 --> 01:15:18,479
nice and clean where you had,
okay, here are what we think

1141
01:15:18,509 --> 01:15:23,399
are. Here's a podcast where we
think there are the two extra

1142
01:15:23,399 --> 01:15:29,549
duplicates. This one has an app,
an iTunes ID, this one does not.

1143
01:15:29,669 --> 01:15:32,909
Here's what here's what Apple
reports back as the feet what

1144
01:15:32,909 --> 01:15:38,189
the feed URL is, here's what the
latest pod pain was, basically

1145
01:15:38,189 --> 01:15:40,469
just give a whole bunch of
information so that somebody can

1146
01:15:40,469 --> 01:15:43,949
make an intelligent decision.
And then let them go in and say,

1147
01:15:43,949 --> 01:15:47,069
Okay, this is the right one,
these other two are duplicates,

1148
01:15:47,099 --> 01:15:50,579
right? Which is Mark just a
couple of checkboxes done and

1149
01:15:50,579 --> 01:15:52,829
Adam Curry: what what is the
what is the reason that this

1150
01:15:52,829 --> 01:15:56,249
cannot be automated? Why is it
that a human needs to do this?

1151
01:15:57,029 --> 01:15:59,849
Dave Jones: Because there's a
lot of edge cases that happen?

1152
01:15:59,909 --> 01:16:04,649
Okay, what what, for instance,
let me give you one, there's a

1153
01:16:05,519 --> 01:16:12,149
many times you'll see a podcast,
where the podcast where they

1154
01:16:12,149 --> 01:16:16,739
are, they have moved their feed
from, let's just say, a cast

1155
01:16:16,739 --> 01:16:21,389
over to Buzzsprout. And they
net, they did not go back and

1156
01:16:21,419 --> 01:16:27,659
update their their Apple podcast
connect feed to point to the new

1157
01:16:27,659 --> 01:16:32,099
URL, so it's still pointing to
the old one. So the incorrect

1158
01:16:32,099 --> 01:16:36,059
one now has an iTunes ID
associated with it. The correct

1159
01:16:36,059 --> 01:16:41,309
one does not. And we can't
change the old one, because we

1160
01:16:41,309 --> 01:16:45,629
have to stay in sync. For it for
feeds that have iTunes ID, we

1161
01:16:45,659 --> 01:16:48,149
need to stay in sync with what
Apple says. Because we have

1162
01:16:48,149 --> 01:16:53,849
people like Marco that depend on
that. If we start telling, and

1163
01:16:53,849 --> 01:16:56,069
we don't know, I mean, we don't
know which one is the new one,

1164
01:16:56,069 --> 01:16:58,649
because they had, they didn't,
they did not change it, they

1165
01:16:58,649 --> 01:17:01,379
didn't set a redirect, they've
just messed, they've essentially

1166
01:17:01,379 --> 01:17:06,269
just messed their feet up. And
some a human has to go in there

1167
01:17:06,269 --> 01:17:09,479
and work through that and say,
Okay, this is what's going on.

1168
01:17:11,609 --> 01:17:14,669
And so there's there's just
issues like that. Sometimes it's

1169
01:17:14,669 --> 01:17:20,969
a categories issue like
WordPress, we don't there, there

1170
01:17:20,969 --> 01:17:21,569
might be

1171
01:17:21,630 --> 01:17:25,890
Adam Curry: how about this? I've
thought? So, um, clearly there's

1172
01:17:25,890 --> 01:17:34,830
a whole bunch of of edge cases,
is it possible to hand off this,

1173
01:17:36,570 --> 01:17:43,980
this process to people using
apps. And so here's my thinking,

1174
01:17:44,280 --> 01:17:46,080
because someone just said
something in the chat room,

1175
01:17:46,080 --> 01:17:50,070
which I liked. Meet us. So if
you had it, if you hand it off

1176
01:17:50,070 --> 01:17:58,080
to users of apps, and you say,
for every Correct. D duping that

1177
01:17:58,080 --> 01:18:01,740
you do, we'll give you 100
Satoshis. Now, when they do

1178
01:18:01,740 --> 01:18:06,120
this, they it doesn't
necessarily delete anything or

1179
01:18:06,120 --> 01:18:10,260
change anything database right
away, but it creates a list that

1180
01:18:10,260 --> 01:18:14,190
can then be looked at by someone
who has the power and says,

1181
01:18:14,190 --> 01:18:19,110
okay, good, good, good, good,
good, good, good. Or is that

1182
01:18:19,110 --> 01:18:20,580
complicating things too much?

1183
01:18:22,050 --> 01:18:23,400
Dave Jones: That's not no,
that's not that's not

1184
01:18:23,400 --> 01:18:25,260
complicating things too much. I
think we would still have to

1185
01:18:25,260 --> 01:18:27,540
have some sort of approval
process that would lead,

1186
01:18:27,570 --> 01:18:30,420
Adam Curry: right. But the
approval process would be, you

1187
01:18:30,420 --> 01:18:35,310
know, a trusted person. But you
basically say, hey, help help

1188
01:18:35,310 --> 01:18:39,480
the index. And because people
find this stuff all the time,

1189
01:18:39,990 --> 01:18:43,230
you can actually say, hey, use
this app, and we'll give you a

1190
01:18:43,230 --> 01:18:48,360
reward. Is that a crazy thought?

1191
01:18:48,930 --> 01:18:50,550
Dave Jones: No, not a crazy
thought. I'm just thinking

1192
01:18:50,550 --> 01:18:56,970
through the you really need two
layers of sort of validation on

1193
01:18:56,970 --> 01:19:00,390
that you would want? Yeah, of
course, you'd want the people,

1194
01:19:01,080 --> 01:19:03,300
you'd want a small group of
people that could approve a

1195
01:19:03,300 --> 01:19:07,080
change, correct. And then you
would want a slightly larger

1196
01:19:07,080 --> 01:19:10,170
group of people that were still
had to go still had to be given

1197
01:19:10,170 --> 01:19:14,880
the the approval or the rights
to get into this ability to,

1198
01:19:15,239 --> 01:19:18,029
Adam Curry: okay, maybe
gamifying it too early, maybe

1199
01:19:18,029 --> 01:19:20,699
it's not not something that
should be gamified. Well,

1200
01:19:21,180 --> 01:19:23,580
Dave Jones: but the reason being
is that you you're just gonna

1201
01:19:23,580 --> 01:19:27,000
get me the potential, there's
just you get blown up, okay. I

1202
01:19:27,000 --> 01:19:31,110
mean, with 10,000 requests a
day, I mean, like, it's just

1203
01:19:31,140 --> 01:19:33,480
you, somebody's gonna write a
bot on it, and you're just gonna

1204
01:19:33,480 --> 01:19:33,960
get screwed.

1205
01:19:34,290 --> 01:19:37,230
Adam Curry: Gotcha, gotcha.
Okay. Well, we could, I'm just

1206
01:19:37,230 --> 01:19:40,290
saying that. I'm sure that
there's a group of five people I

1207
01:19:40,290 --> 01:19:44,220
can think of right now who would
be happy to do this work. Maybe

1208
01:19:44,640 --> 01:19:48,960
we can have trusted people who
use their apps to do this. I'm

1209
01:19:48,960 --> 01:19:51,330
just thinking ahead. But I
understand what you're saying.

1210
01:19:51,330 --> 01:19:55,320
And yeah, what do we do? What do
we need to get this done?

1211
01:19:56,340 --> 01:20:02,700
Dave Jones: Yes, I think I think
bottom line is we, we have a

1212
01:20:02,700 --> 01:20:07,170
strategy now for the good stuff
with what Brian has, has made. I

1213
01:20:07,170 --> 01:20:11,310
think it fits with what I had
originally developed, I think

1214
01:20:11,310 --> 01:20:15,510
those fit together pretty
nicely. So then, now really,

1215
01:20:15,510 --> 01:20:18,720
it's all about just making sure
the data is clean. I think

1216
01:20:18,720 --> 01:20:21,780
that's, that's our biggest thing
right now. Because the goods

1217
01:20:21,780 --> 01:20:25,770
will now goods will work now, as
long as we have clean data,

1218
01:20:26,940 --> 01:20:30,960
where we don't have these dupes.
So I think that's really, I

1219
01:20:30,960 --> 01:20:32,820
think that's kind of an
important next step I need to

1220
01:20:32,820 --> 01:20:36,510
take because you need these.
Hell, I need these things. I

1221
01:20:36,510 --> 01:20:39,120
need a dashboard to fix this
stuff. I'm manually changing

1222
01:20:39,120 --> 01:20:41,400
things in the database. This is
not fun.

1223
01:20:41,520 --> 01:20:44,280
Adam Curry: I saw when I was
watching your screencast, your

1224
01:20:46,050 --> 01:20:51,060
your dude named Ben cast. I saw
those little PHP scripts you had

1225
01:20:51,060 --> 01:20:53,400
on the left hand side of my Oh,
look at all that cool stuff. You

1226
01:20:53,400 --> 01:20:56,580
can run a PHP script does that
it does that you had all these

1227
01:20:56,580 --> 01:20:59,970
cool little things that that you
could do you have some tools,

1228
01:20:59,970 --> 01:21:03,690
but I'm like, just give me some
give me tools. Let me play with

1229
01:21:03,690 --> 01:21:04,500
the tools. Man.

1230
01:21:05,040 --> 01:21:07,710
Dave Jones: I don't want to have
to SSH into a server in order to

1231
01:21:07,740 --> 01:21:11,400
run a script called no clean
these duplicates dot php.

1232
01:21:12,720 --> 01:21:15,270
Adam Curry: Exactly. Okay. I
think that's I think that's a

1233
01:21:15,270 --> 01:21:16,050
great idea.

1234
01:21:18,300 --> 01:21:21,390
Dave Jones: way forward. Yeah.
And I don't think this is hard

1235
01:21:21,390 --> 01:21:24,150
to write because it doesn't have
to be beautiful. It just has to

1236
01:21:24,150 --> 01:21:24,840
be functional.

1237
01:21:26,460 --> 01:21:30,450
Adam Curry: I know I'm, I'm all
in you tell me. I mean, I would

1238
01:21:30,480 --> 01:21:33,900
I've of course I'm I know you
well enough. I know what you're

1239
01:21:33,900 --> 01:21:36,330
doing. You're busy. I'm not
going to keep saying hey, man,

1240
01:21:36,330 --> 01:21:38,940
give me some tools. Give me some
tools. It bothers me

1241
01:21:38,939 --> 01:21:41,519
Dave Jones: too. Because people
want to help people are asking

1242
01:21:41,519 --> 01:21:44,639
to help you and I and I go, like
I don't have anything to give

1243
01:21:44,639 --> 01:21:46,739
them. And so I want I need to be
able to give them something.

1244
01:21:46,890 --> 01:21:49,920
Adam Curry: Well, why don't you
just wipe your slate clean

1245
01:21:50,399 --> 01:21:53,669
Dave Jones: and clean? It dun
dun we

1246
01:21:53,670 --> 01:21:57,270
Adam Curry: love it. We love it.
I wanted to just make note for

1247
01:21:57,270 --> 01:22:01,350
everybody that we did have a
situation, which luckily, of

1248
01:22:01,350 --> 01:22:05,910
course, was not a big problem.
But Alby went down for a little

1249
01:22:05,910 --> 01:22:10,050
bit there the other day. And,
you know, you see the result of

1250
01:22:10,050 --> 01:22:16,830
a centralized system. There are
other fallbacks possible. There

1251
01:22:16,830 --> 01:22:20,550
are other, you know, other
lightning service providers out

1252
01:22:20,550 --> 01:22:22,620
there. Just want to remind
everybody, you got to be

1253
01:22:22,620 --> 01:22:27,150
careful. I guess that's all I
wanted to say. I love Alby. I

1254
01:22:27,150 --> 01:22:31,950
love what get alby.com I love
what they're doing. But, you

1255
01:22:31,950 --> 01:22:34,620
know, this, what are you
laughing at?

1256
01:22:35,219 --> 01:22:37,679
Dave Jones: Sorry, it's just
Steven some Steven bass in the

1257
01:22:37,679 --> 01:22:38,009
chat.

1258
01:22:40,290 --> 01:22:44,340
Adam Curry: I see what you're
saying. Boy, man, do you talk to

1259
01:22:44,340 --> 01:22:45,630
your wife that way? Steven B.

1260
01:22:47,369 --> 01:22:48,779
Dave Jones: Do you kiss your
mama with that mouth?

1261
01:22:51,210 --> 01:22:53,100
Adam Curry: Let's just make sure
we're all smart about these

1262
01:22:53,100 --> 01:22:56,220
things. You know, especially for
podcasters. You know, there's

1263
01:22:56,220 --> 01:23:00,300
still things you may want to
consider to have alternate by

1264
01:23:00,300 --> 01:23:03,180
the way. I'm also running my Of
course I am because I have

1265
01:23:03,180 --> 01:23:07,770
helipad. I'm running my
lightning node. On the Start OS.

1266
01:23:08,160 --> 01:23:13,260
It's stable, man. It's stable. I
mean, you know, I have to nurse

1267
01:23:13,260 --> 01:23:17,370
my Umbral all the time. And this
thing is just I've set it up and

1268
01:23:17,370 --> 01:23:19,920
it's just run since the day I
set it up and has not been a

1269
01:23:19,920 --> 01:23:20,400
problem.

1270
01:23:21,420 --> 01:23:24,810
Dave Jones: Is it using l&d?
Yeah, you can

1271
01:23:24,810 --> 01:23:29,010
Adam Curry: use multiple ones?
I'm using lnd lnd. It has. It

1272
01:23:29,010 --> 01:23:33,330
has multiple lightning
implementations you can use.

1273
01:23:33,810 --> 01:23:37,290
Dave Jones: Have you ever used
see lightning? No. No, I'm kind

1274
01:23:37,290 --> 01:23:39,540
of itching to try it. No, no. Do
you?

1275
01:23:40,560 --> 01:23:41,460
Adam Curry: First you need to
build.

1276
01:23:43,409 --> 01:23:45,929
Dave Jones: Thank you. Thank
you. Yes, this is what this is

1277
01:23:45,929 --> 01:23:49,199
one of your this is one of your
functions here is Stop,

1278
01:23:49,199 --> 01:23:52,109
Adam Curry: stop, stop. Stop.
So. And with that, I also want

1279
01:23:52,109 --> 01:23:56,519
to thank Todd Cochran for a fun
idea that blueberry is doing to

1280
01:23:56,519 --> 01:24:01,139
podcasting 2.0 badge. Oh, I like
that. Yeah, that has warded when

1281
01:24:01,139 --> 01:24:06,329
a podcaster uses five 2.0
features, which is kind of what

1282
01:24:06,329 --> 01:24:09,989
I thought the podcast Standards
Project will be doing. You know,

1283
01:24:09,989 --> 01:24:13,349
I liked it. The Todd has taken
the lead on this. This is good.

1284
01:24:13,379 --> 01:24:16,109
This is good thing to do. It's a
cool logo. That guy's a cool

1285
01:24:16,109 --> 01:24:16,739
badge.

1286
01:24:17,249 --> 01:24:18,629
Dave Jones: I'm a sucker for
badges.

1287
01:24:19,710 --> 01:24:23,400
Adam Curry: I love badges.
Badges are very cool. Yeah,

1288
01:24:23,460 --> 01:24:25,200
absolutely. Absolutely want

1289
01:24:25,200 --> 01:24:27,120
Dave Jones: to. We want to do
some hot names based on

1290
01:24:27,960 --> 01:24:30,060
Adam Curry: just one other thing
before we do the hot namespace

1291
01:24:30,060 --> 01:24:36,180
talk. I learned a lot about the
fountain transcripts. So indeed,

1292
01:24:36,180 --> 01:24:40,020
once one person has created a
transcript, no one else has to

1293
01:24:40,020 --> 01:24:43,650
pay for it. It's just available.
And I saw requests come through

1294
01:24:43,680 --> 01:24:46,890
that said hey, once a
transcripts created, it'd be

1295
01:24:46,890 --> 01:24:49,710
great if the podcast could down.
I think chemistry bloggers had

1296
01:24:49,710 --> 01:24:52,980
this. The podcast, you can
download an SRT file, put it

1297
01:24:52,980 --> 01:24:56,100
into their feed and then use it
for other apps. I was like, wow.

1298
01:24:56,130 --> 01:24:59,640
And I asked I was like, Yeah,
that's a great idea. Let's do

1299
01:24:59,670 --> 01:25:03,570
that. stat. Cool. That's some
collaboration right there. That

1300
01:25:03,570 --> 01:25:06,810
was very beautiful, beautiful to
see that happening. And then of

1301
01:25:06,810 --> 01:25:11,430
course, I realized, found
transcripts are very, very fast.

1302
01:25:11,880 --> 01:25:15,600
What they aren't doing is they
aren't doing speakers, you know

1303
01:25:15,630 --> 01:25:19,590
who the who the speaker is. So I
don't know if that adds a lot of

1304
01:25:20,370 --> 01:25:24,180
that adds a lot of processing
time to creating the transcript.

1305
01:25:24,840 --> 01:25:26,880
But that would be a
prerequisite. I mean, I would

1306
01:25:27,300 --> 01:25:31,800
look I pay $20 a month to otter.
If I can get my transcripts from

1307
01:25:31,800 --> 01:25:35,760
fountain I'll pay fountain 20
bucks. But I do I do need

1308
01:25:35,760 --> 01:25:41,730
speaker names. Tom just saying
you know, there's a lot of

1309
01:25:41,730 --> 01:25:42,720
opportunity here.

1310
01:25:44,040 --> 01:25:46,260
Dave Jones: Opportunity you
need. You need speaker names

1311
01:25:46,260 --> 01:25:47,700
because that like for we

1312
01:25:47,699 --> 01:25:51,239
Adam Curry: need it for Mark. We
just need it for Mark. Let's be

1313
01:25:51,239 --> 01:25:54,149
honest, the cartoon bubbles are
cool was crap.

1314
01:25:54,149 --> 01:25:56,129
Dave Jones: I love that because
that thing's beautiful. When you

1315
01:25:56,129 --> 01:25:58,649
see it, you don't ever want to
not have no you actually

1316
01:25:58,650 --> 01:26:00,450
Adam Curry: you're looking at
your app while you're listening.

1317
01:26:00,450 --> 01:26:02,250
Like oh, there's Dave. There's
Adam. There's Dave. There's

1318
01:26:02,250 --> 01:26:02,520
Adam.

1319
01:26:03,030 --> 01:26:05,670
Dave Jones: Adam. Oh, we got we
got Martin on the show next

1320
01:26:05,670 --> 01:26:06,990
week, by the way. So we're

1321
01:26:07,020 --> 01:26:09,390
Adam Curry: Oh, cool. Cool.
Cool. Cool. And Android 2.0.

1322
01:26:09,420 --> 01:26:13,260
Yeah. And he's he's going
through his app cycle now. Which

1323
01:26:13,260 --> 01:26:18,630
is always fun. Yeah. I have high
hopes for him. High Hopes

1324
01:26:19,229 --> 01:26:21,749
Dave Jones: Yes. As secure Yeah.
I think you're right. That's

1325
01:26:21,749 --> 01:26:22,739
that's kind of a

1326
01:26:24,210 --> 01:26:26,520
Adam Curry: and we have a new
rules. We have a new rule for

1327
01:26:26,520 --> 01:26:32,070
guests. New rules. guests get to
choose the song we play. Oh,

1328
01:26:32,250 --> 01:26:36,090
yeah, like that. roars the new
rule new rule. So Martin, choose

1329
01:26:36,090 --> 01:26:39,780
a song of course it has to be
2.0. Enable. Choose wisely.

1330
01:26:40,380 --> 01:26:42,810
Choose wisely by friend.
Exactly.

1331
01:26:44,369 --> 01:26:48,779
Unknown: And now it's time for
some hot namespace talk.

1332
01:26:51,000 --> 01:26:52,680
Adam Curry: We are Yeah,

1333
01:26:52,979 --> 01:26:58,049
Dave Jones: yeah, we closed face
six. So that one's No more No

1334
01:26:58,049 --> 01:27:05,099
more tag proposals. Submitting
is allowed. We've got let's see

1335
01:27:05,099 --> 01:27:13,199
here. It looks like we've got
six tags is that right? 1234567

1336
01:27:13,199 --> 01:27:18,929
tags remote item. So this
basically this is frozen now

1337
01:27:18,929 --> 01:27:22,739
where we made ditch some tags
but we're not going to add the

1338
01:27:22,739 --> 01:27:25,949
Adam Curry: space six ice you
can't change no melting it's

1339
01:27:25,949 --> 01:27:26,579
iced.

1340
01:27:26,789 --> 01:27:29,729
Dave Jones: Yep. It's on ISIS.
So remote. We got remote item,

1341
01:27:30,569 --> 01:27:33,569
which is straight
straightforward. It's already

1342
01:27:33,569 --> 01:27:36,749
written out. We got list the
list mediums that's easy. That's

1343
01:27:36,749 --> 01:27:44,249
just an add just an addendum.
The the accepts guest I've got a

1344
01:27:44,249 --> 01:27:47,909
question mark on that. Pod roll.
That's already written up.

1345
01:27:47,909 --> 01:27:54,089
That's that's good to go. update
frequency. Nathan gathright did

1346
01:27:54,089 --> 01:27:57,209
a PR for that, that I've got to
merge. But that one's I've just

1347
01:27:57,209 --> 01:27:59,819
got to review it. I'm sure I
mean, he's he's top notch. So

1348
01:27:59,819 --> 01:28:04,439
I'm sure that one's fine. Nice.
Pod pink tag is something that

1349
01:28:05,159 --> 01:28:10,049
that Alex and Brian and anybody
who uses pod ping needs it

1350
01:28:10,049 --> 01:28:12,779
because it's got it's got
metadata in there for how the

1351
01:28:12,779 --> 01:28:17,129
feed interacts with POD ping.
And then the value time split.

1352
01:28:17,730 --> 01:28:20,610
Adam Curry: Nice. That's a good
phase,

1353
01:28:21,119 --> 01:28:23,369
Dave Jones: as a good batch. And
so I think accepts guests is the

1354
01:28:23,369 --> 01:28:27,029
only one I've gotten concerns
about, I think we may think we

1355
01:28:27,029 --> 01:28:30,329
may need to need a booth there.
Because I still don't know that

1356
01:28:30,329 --> 01:28:38,489
that has to be its own tag. To
me that it. It's just a it's

1357
01:28:38,489 --> 01:28:39,179
like a gimme.

1358
01:28:39,210 --> 01:28:42,030
Adam Curry: It's like a gimme
that people want I mean, no,

1359
01:28:42,030 --> 01:28:44,910
it's like it's for people who
don't have I mean, I get email.

1360
01:28:45,840 --> 01:28:48,660
It's just, Oh, you want less
email? Okay, well, why don't you

1361
01:28:48,690 --> 01:28:51,750
just, you know, what we need is
we need the list of all these

1362
01:28:51,750 --> 01:28:55,620
people, all these PR people who
email podcasters and then put

1363
01:28:55,620 --> 01:29:00,150
them in your spam list. Yeah,
write a rule. I mean, I don't

1364
01:29:00,150 --> 01:29:02,520
mind that, you know, people ask
me all the time, oh, I got this

1365
01:29:02,520 --> 01:29:05,340
great person for this guest.
Now, of course, I don't take

1366
01:29:05,340 --> 01:29:09,960
guests on, on on no agenda or
any of my other shows. But it

1367
01:29:09,960 --> 01:29:11,610
doesn't bother me that much.

1368
01:29:11,819 --> 01:29:14,219
Dave Jones: And I guess my
difficulty with this specific

1369
01:29:14,219 --> 01:29:19,979
tag is that it's a lot of tag
for only one small purpose. And

1370
01:29:19,979 --> 01:29:25,319
I understand that you have that
there's other tags that fit into

1371
01:29:25,319 --> 01:29:27,839
the same category. So let's just
say how about

1372
01:29:27,840 --> 01:29:32,130
Adam Curry: this? I have an
idea. Alright. Can we just have

1373
01:29:32,130 --> 01:29:36,750
some kind of API endpoint that
looks and it sees if there's a

1374
01:29:36,750 --> 01:29:41,640
guest in the person tag, that
that spits out a list of here's

1375
01:29:41,640 --> 01:29:44,400
everything and then people can
use that list and spam them.

1376
01:29:45,330 --> 01:29:45,930
It's,

1377
01:29:46,230 --> 01:29:47,850
Dave Jones: it's a spam list.

1378
01:29:48,390 --> 01:29:50,370
Adam Curry: That's what it's
gonna get used for. I mean, you

1379
01:29:50,370 --> 01:29:51,180
know, it's like,

1380
01:29:51,600 --> 01:29:54,240
Dave Jones: no, no, that's a
pretty good idea, by the way.

1381
01:29:54,510 --> 01:29:57,300
Adam Curry: Yeah, just a
thought. Make that make that

1382
01:29:57,300 --> 01:29:58,770
available to PR people.

1383
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:04,020
Dave Jones: use AI he's Chad.
Yeah. Yeah,

1384
01:30:04,739 --> 01:30:07,469
Adam Curry: there it is Chad
gptc Every everything we don't

1385
01:30:07,469 --> 01:30:10,109
want to do we just you can use
chat GPG for that.

1386
01:30:11,130 --> 01:30:16,500
Dave Jones: Can Can I I mean can
I just say that at this if if if

1387
01:30:16,500 --> 01:30:20,580
large language models are this
good? Why do we still have

1388
01:30:20,610 --> 01:30:22,200
transcripts that are inaccurate?

1389
01:30:22,889 --> 01:30:26,909
Adam Curry: Why do I still have
spam? Exactly why do fools fall

1390
01:30:26,909 --> 01:30:34,979
in love honest about GPC you
should be able to fix that they

1391
01:30:34,979 --> 01:30:38,189
should know this. Sorry, this
lady is not compatible with you.

1392
01:30:39,000 --> 01:30:43,860
Dave Jones: There. I mean, the
one thing that is that is in the

1393
01:30:43,860 --> 01:30:50,070
large language model wheelhouse
is Grammatik and link

1394
01:30:50,070 --> 01:30:56,250
grammatical and linguistic
structure is I know what words

1395
01:30:56,250 --> 01:31:00,720
make sense coming before and
after this word, or before and

1396
01:31:00,720 --> 01:31:05,850
after this phrase. I should
never have a bad transcript ever

1397
01:31:05,850 --> 01:31:06,420
again.

1398
01:31:06,989 --> 01:31:10,619
Adam Curry: No, of course. Of
course not. And obviously we do.

1399
01:31:11,399 --> 01:31:14,819
Dave Jones: So something's gotta
give anyway. I agree with you. I

1400
01:31:14,819 --> 01:31:16,049
agree. Somebody's lying.

1401
01:31:16,890 --> 01:31:17,670
Adam Curry: Something's up.

1402
01:31:19,859 --> 01:31:21,419
Dave Jones: I don't know. I
think we should I think we

1403
01:31:21,419 --> 01:31:24,539
should just boot accepts guests
for now. Okay, I don't think

1404
01:31:24,539 --> 01:31:26,939
anybody's feelings are gonna be
hurt by this. I mean, like James

1405
01:31:26,939 --> 01:31:30,359
proposed it, but I don't I don't
get the sense that he's like,

1406
01:31:30,449 --> 01:31:32,009
it's a he'll he's gonna die.

1407
01:31:32,220 --> 01:31:35,910
Adam Curry: Pod roll is in
there. No. It is. Yeah. Isn't

1408
01:31:35,910 --> 01:31:37,050
the pod roll is good.

1409
01:31:37,590 --> 01:31:39,720
Dave Jones: James, if you're
highly offended by booting

1410
01:31:39,720 --> 01:31:43,860
accepts, yes, please tell me. I
mean, here's ultimately what I

1411
01:31:43,860 --> 01:31:48,270
feel like these, these are
flags. And I keep coming back to

1412
01:31:48,270 --> 01:31:51,300
the idea that we just need sort
of, like, let's just call it

1413
01:31:51,300 --> 01:31:59,610
podcast, colon flags. And it's a
list of or just or, or just

1414
01:31:59,640 --> 01:32:05,400
called podcast, colon flag. And
it's except guests. You know,

1415
01:32:05,550 --> 01:32:10,020
trial, trial feed, blah, blah,
blah, like, just a bunch of like

1416
01:32:10,020 --> 01:32:13,470
one, prop just a bunch of
properties, or even just put it

1417
01:32:13,470 --> 01:32:15,840
in the TXT record. Let's just
put it in the TAs.

1418
01:32:15,989 --> 01:32:18,269
Adam Curry: All right, I'm gonna
I'm going to ease the pain.

1419
01:32:19,019 --> 01:32:22,439
Reading. Alright, is it? What
phase was alternate enclosure

1420
01:32:22,439 --> 01:32:29,069
in? That's like three or four?
Three? Yeah, I have a request

1421
01:32:29,069 --> 01:32:35,279
for Steven B, who is the the
Wizard of sovereign feeds.com.

1422
01:32:35,789 --> 01:32:39,989
My request for Steven B is I
would like to have an altered

1423
01:32:39,989 --> 01:32:44,909
enclosure, spit out in my feed
that I can put an IPFS link in.

1424
01:32:46,019 --> 01:32:49,919
Because once I create the IPFS
link, maybe I can convince an

1425
01:32:49,919 --> 01:32:54,689
app or to to which obviously
will be curio caster. To accept

1426
01:32:54,689 --> 01:32:58,379
that because I'm running a node,
I'd like to get that crankin I'd

1427
01:32:58,379 --> 01:33:02,939
like to use it. I'd like to see
if IPFS actually scales with

1428
01:33:02,939 --> 01:33:06,149
podcasts. And that would be my
request.

1429
01:33:06,689 --> 01:33:09,659
Dave Jones: You are publishing a
feed on IPFS right now? Yes, I

1430
01:33:09,659 --> 01:33:12,449
am. Which ones the no agenda are

1431
01:33:13,199 --> 01:33:16,679
Adam Curry: all of my feeds all
of my feeds. Okay. And I and I

1432
01:33:16,679 --> 01:33:20,879
will use it for all of them. And
there's people you I can see in

1433
01:33:20,879 --> 01:33:21,959
the well hold on a second.

1434
01:33:22,409 --> 01:33:23,939
Dave Jones: If I look at
Cameron's code, right,

1435
01:33:24,119 --> 01:33:27,299
Adam Curry: yes. IPFS let me
just check for a second IPFS

1436
01:33:27,299 --> 01:33:32,009
podcasting dotnet let me just
log is such a such a elegant

1437
01:33:32,009 --> 01:33:36,269
system he's created here. I'm
also you know, I'm pinning them

1438
01:33:36,269 --> 01:33:39,599
all so I'm hosting them all
forever, all all previous

1439
01:33:39,599 --> 01:33:43,169
episodes, etc. Anything that's
in the feed all a second just

1440
01:33:43,169 --> 01:33:50,159
needs to log in. And I have two
nodes running. Just take

1441
01:33:50,729 --> 01:33:53,879
Dave Jones: notes. Yeah, yeah.
One's running on the Start nine

1442
01:33:53,879 --> 01:33:54,629
and Where's the other one
running?

1443
01:33:55,050 --> 01:33:58,230
Adam Curry: On the Umbro? Yeah.
Okay, so let me see for

1444
01:33:58,230 --> 01:34:01,890
podcasting. 2.0 Let me see,
because I can tell

1445
01:34:07,079 --> 01:34:12,599
there's a little lag obviously,
Episode 134 had two downloads

1446
01:34:12,599 --> 01:34:22,229
133 had five 132 had 38 Toilet
scroller 131 had 29 so it's in

1447
01:34:22,229 --> 01:34:29,939
the 20s and 30s after a while.
Let's see no agenda has that we

1448
01:34:29,939 --> 01:34:38,399
have an ad downloads here
2937 62 So it varies. And you

1449
01:34:38,399 --> 01:34:43,289
can and there's at least seven
nodes hosting it. So you know,

1450
01:34:43,289 --> 01:34:46,289
it's like there's something
there it's it's in its infancy,

1451
01:34:46,919 --> 01:34:49,709
but I kind of believe in it. I
believe in this stuff.

1452
01:34:50,790 --> 01:34:52,080
Dave Jones: Okay, yeah, well, I

1453
01:34:52,080 --> 01:34:55,620
Adam Curry: mean like, so that
was my my requests even my

1454
01:34:55,620 --> 01:34:58,170
request to see even be like he
doesn't have enough an

1455
01:34:58,169 --> 01:35:00,899
Dave Jones: alternate enclosure.
You wanna you? Want to nappy?

1456
01:35:00,899 --> 01:35:02,489
IPSs alternate enclosure tag?

1457
01:35:02,640 --> 01:35:06,540
Adam Curry: Yeah. I mean, yes,
yes, that's what I want and IPFS

1458
01:35:06,540 --> 01:35:09,480
alternate enclosure tag, and
that will make James happy.

1459
01:35:10,560 --> 01:35:14,160
Because he wants people using
alternate enclosure. He wants to

1460
01:35:14,700 --> 01:35:17,220
he wants to push the alternate
enclosure. Now he uses it in a

1461
01:35:17,220 --> 01:35:21,270
different way he's thinking of
lower bandwidth, which is fine

1462
01:35:21,270 --> 01:35:25,860
lower bandwidth versions. But
you know, I think

1463
01:35:26,189 --> 01:35:28,439
Dave Jones: that when you can
have IPFS and has more bandwidth

1464
01:35:28,469 --> 01:35:29,159
Yeah, exactly.

1465
01:35:29,399 --> 01:35:32,339
Adam Curry: Let's use it for
more bandwidth. Screw you Africa

1466
01:35:35,069 --> 01:35:38,669
Shall we thanks for people hear
Dave. Oh, yeah, sure. Yeah,

1467
01:35:38,669 --> 01:35:43,499
let's take some people because
man we we have quite a few

1468
01:35:43,499 --> 01:35:46,499
booths that have been coming
through let's see right off the

1469
01:35:46,499 --> 01:35:50,249
bat so do 13 seconds ago 2222
from Martin you heard it

1470
01:35:50,279 --> 01:35:52,589
approached me was shady
proposals to get your song

1471
01:35:52,589 --> 01:35:56,069
played next week. Okay Martin.
Martin from

1472
01:35:56,909 --> 01:35:59,069
Dave Jones: I like the I like
this turning it around and

1473
01:35:59,069 --> 01:36:00,629
getting money for this is good
idea.

1474
01:36:00,720 --> 01:36:03,780
Adam Curry: That's how it should
work man payola is everything.

1475
01:36:04,620 --> 01:36:10,260
Satchel Richards from blueberry.
Excuse me 11,111 He says people

1476
01:36:10,260 --> 01:36:13,140
on national agenda social be
like I hate this place. Nothing

1477
01:36:13,140 --> 01:36:15,660
works here the medications don't
work. I've been here for seven

1478
01:36:15,660 --> 01:36:22,680
years. Exactly. Exactly. I am
Mr. Robot with a boo boos 808

1479
01:36:22,680 --> 01:36:25,950
Deva feel your pain but in the
sysadmin helpdesk role for over

1480
01:36:25,950 --> 01:36:29,310
20 years Never underestimate the
power of the problems created

1481
01:36:29,310 --> 01:36:34,950
between the chair and the
keyboard. Go podcasting. We got

1482
01:36:34,950 --> 01:36:38,640
marks or Mark s 3111 Fountain
needs to send a push

1483
01:36:38,640 --> 01:36:41,070
notification when the episode
goes live. Didn't see one come

1484
01:36:41,070 --> 01:36:44,130
through. That's correct. That's
not working yet. That's being

1485
01:36:44,130 --> 01:36:48,360
worked on from what I
understand. 9999 from lavish I'm

1486
01:36:48,360 --> 01:36:51,690
sure that was during the song
from halfway to somewhere and

1487
01:36:51,690 --> 01:36:57,150
because he said fonecare 10,000
SATs from Martin He's on a roll

1488
01:36:57,150 --> 01:36:59,820
here just want to say pod friend
at the moment only supports the

1489
01:36:59,820 --> 01:37:02,700
value times but after an episode
has been released, not lit

1490
01:37:02,700 --> 01:37:05,430
episodes Understood. I'll
hopefully be implementing the

1491
01:37:05,430 --> 01:37:07,680
code over the next couple of
weeks get your WebSocket

1492
01:37:07,680 --> 01:37:11,790
listener ready. So right now,
please use current curio caster

1493
01:37:11,790 --> 01:37:17,430
if you're listening lit go short
ro a duck's 20 to 22 from hard

1494
01:37:17,430 --> 01:37:23,430
hat. And this may be from her
about twice as no name on this

1495
01:37:23,430 --> 01:37:28,080
other 110 1000 from Martin if
you play my song I'll pay you an

1496
01:37:28,080 --> 01:37:32,160
exposure to he's what is it?
What the Danish man you guys

1497
01:37:32,160 --> 01:37:36,900
incorrupt that's all you can
think of I'm thinking new

1498
01:37:36,900 --> 01:37:39,120
industry. Martin's thinking
corruption.

1499
01:37:40,470 --> 01:37:41,940
Dave Jones: Well, he's got a
he's got a fiend he's got a

1500
01:37:41,940 --> 01:37:43,770
Polish wise so that means like,

1501
01:37:43,890 --> 01:37:51,480
Adam Curry: wow, racist. Dave
jokes. Mark asked marks 3111

1502
01:37:51,480 --> 01:37:53,910
listening live for the first
time to fall in love it Yes.

1503
01:37:53,940 --> 01:37:58,140
Welcome all fountain listeners.
Anonymous one on one Oh 1010

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01:37:58,140 --> 01:38:00,810
Blueberry pod press and
publisher now has a chapter

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01:38:00,810 --> 01:38:04,740
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8675 8675 pod friend 2.0. iOS

1507
01:38:12,060 --> 01:38:16,350
beta boost edge. Nice. Thank you
for your courage. So that's the

1508
01:38:16,380 --> 01:38:21,840
he's on testflight, so it works
beautiful. Some quack with two

1509
01:38:21,840 --> 01:38:24,960
to two conspiracy theory booths
Oh, I'm sorry there's no agenda

1510
01:38:24,960 --> 01:38:29,340
boost of course. We'll take it
we'll take right other way up

1511
01:38:29,340 --> 01:38:35,190
booths 50,000 sets and says
please one large pepperoni okay,

1512
01:38:35,910 --> 01:38:38,460
I was during the Help Desk talk
I guess has something to do with

1513
01:38:38,460 --> 01:38:45,480
that. We have Brian of London
31,948 31948 and Israeli freedom

1514
01:38:45,480 --> 01:38:49,080
boost when Dave talks about Help
Desk I immediately picture him

1515
01:38:49,080 --> 01:38:52,380
in the IT Crowd telling someone
to turn it off and on again.

1516
01:38:53,819 --> 01:38:56,069
Dave Jones: There's some of that
yeah, I'm sure that's when I

1517
01:38:56,069 --> 01:38:56,399
tell my

1518
01:38:56,399 --> 01:38:59,939
Adam Curry: wife turn off work
app Apple stuff usually that

1519
01:38:59,939 --> 01:39:07,319
works. Cotton Gin 7777 Scissors
run my world correct anonymous

1520
01:39:07,319 --> 01:39:16,079
with a nice row of ducks 22,222
Catch up boosts Why does my lb

1521
01:39:16,079 --> 01:39:20,519
wallet keep just disconnecting
from pod bursts? I don't know. I

1522
01:39:20,519 --> 01:39:23,549
think that's mainly because they
had no problems i It's been

1523
01:39:23,549 --> 01:39:26,669
pretty stable for me I had a lot
of issues with that and everyone

1524
01:39:26,669 --> 01:39:31,169
fix something and I really
haven't seen that but I had one

1525
01:39:31,169 --> 01:39:32,009
silly trouble

1526
01:39:32,010 --> 01:39:34,770
Dave Jones: with Abby's wallet
over the last week and then all

1527
01:39:34,770 --> 01:39:37,050
of a sudden it just fixed itself
and now it's fine

1528
01:39:38,399 --> 01:39:41,999
Adam Curry: yeah, and we can see
that in our in our daily boost

1529
01:39:41,999 --> 01:39:45,989
total to when Alby has problems
it hurts everybody benefits

1530
01:39:45,989 --> 01:39:50,099
centralization. We've already
been through that. Free Money

1531
01:39:50,099 --> 01:39:54,029
monkey 15,000 SATs Hello
boosting from pod verse well

1532
01:39:54,029 --> 01:39:59,129
hello to you. Tone record 2222
new air idea Dave's nightstand

1533
01:39:59,159 --> 01:40:02,909
new podcast. I As our new pocket
Dave's knights Oh for your books

1534
01:40:03,719 --> 01:40:06,569
oh yes podcast again

1535
01:40:06,569 --> 01:40:08,879
Dave Jones: on my nightstand
right now I've got a still got

1536
01:40:09,239 --> 01:40:12,089
the secrets of this simple will
be on the nightstand for at

1537
01:40:12,089 --> 01:40:16,559
least another year because it's
700 pages. The I've also got

1538
01:40:16,739 --> 01:40:20,579
Orsi Orthodoxy is on there
because I'm about two thirds of

1539
01:40:20,579 --> 01:40:23,489
the way through that. Oh,
there's another there's a new

1540
01:40:23,489 --> 01:40:28,829
addition to the nightstand right
now which is a book about I wish

1541
01:40:28,829 --> 01:40:32,159
I could remember. Oh, it's
called a question of sedition.

1542
01:40:33,119 --> 01:40:39,239
It is a book. I think the
subtitle is censorship of the

1543
01:40:39,239 --> 01:40:45,209
black press during World War
Two. Like it is. It is a read

1544
01:40:45,209 --> 01:40:46,349
let me tell you, I mean like

1545
01:40:49,949 --> 01:40:51,179
Unknown: yummy, yummy, yummy.

1546
01:40:51,600 --> 01:40:54,570
Dave Jones: It is all about like
J and J. Edgar Hoover.

1547
01:40:55,560 --> 01:40:59,340
Adam Curry: Who by the way, by
the way, J Edgar Hoover was

1548
01:40:59,340 --> 01:40:59,820
black.

1549
01:41:01,079 --> 01:41:04,949
Dave Jones: Yeah, which is good
which is in context of this book

1550
01:41:04,949 --> 01:41:06,239
is hilarious. Did you know that

1551
01:41:06,239 --> 01:41:08,969
Adam Curry: most people don't
know that? Very light skinned

1552
01:41:08,969 --> 01:41:09,479
black?

1553
01:41:11,069 --> 01:41:13,499
Dave Jones: The reason I know
that is from facts.

1554
01:41:13,500 --> 01:41:17,250
Adam Curry: You're right. Like
yeah, good. Mike Newman checks

1555
01:41:17,250 --> 01:41:24,750
in with a striper boost. 77,777
Satoshis. Frank Sinatra, he says

1556
01:41:24,750 --> 01:41:29,160
was singing about today the
golden age of podcasting. Okay,

1557
01:41:29,190 --> 01:41:34,230
I guess Yeah. Agreed tone
record. 5150 mountain live

1558
01:41:34,230 --> 01:41:37,020
stream working on the trial.
Good to know and a millennial

1559
01:41:37,020 --> 01:41:43,200
11,111. New York is full of
anchors. Anchors, this is all

1560
01:41:43,710 --> 01:41:46,980
Rancors and anchors is all from
the from the pre show the pre

1561
01:41:46,980 --> 01:41:53,370
stream that we did. And Martin
with 12345 saying pre shows are

1562
01:41:53,370 --> 01:42:00,420
the best. We have 6000 SATs from
chat. GPT check that out. I just

1563
01:42:00,480 --> 01:42:04,350
saw Chad GPT has sent us a
boost. I just want to give a

1564
01:42:04,350 --> 01:42:07,560
huge shout out to the amazing
team behind that podcasting 2.0

1565
01:42:07,560 --> 01:42:11,520
podcast handclap your dedication
to pushing the boundaries of

1566
01:42:11,520 --> 01:42:13,980
podcasting exploring the
exciting frontiers of the

1567
01:42:13,980 --> 01:42:19,380
industry is truly inspiring.
Star emoji. Thank you. Thank you

1568
01:42:19,380 --> 01:42:23,520
very much. GPT and check it out.
Fletcher comes in with a pre

1569
01:42:23,520 --> 01:42:30,510
boost. 88,888 beautiful man,
thank you so much. We appreciate

1570
01:42:30,510 --> 01:42:35,940
that. And those were, I think,
pretty much all of the big

1571
01:42:35,970 --> 01:42:39,840
mentionable pre stream booths,
we appreciate that and Dave has

1572
01:42:39,840 --> 01:42:40,560
more.

1573
01:42:40,979 --> 01:42:46,379
Dave Jones: We don't we have a
real dearth of Satoshi slam

1574
01:42:46,379 --> 01:42:48,029
booths because that's a great
jingle.

1575
01:42:49,259 --> 01:42:53,489
Adam Curry: It's 100,000 is
great, but a Satoshi slam is you

1576
01:42:53,489 --> 01:42:55,439
know, I'm sorry. There's two
more that came in if you don't

1577
01:42:55,439 --> 01:42:57,959
mind. They're both baller boots.
So I want to make sure we do it.

1578
01:42:58,499 --> 01:43:03,029
We have Sam Sethi checking us
out over in the UK. Of course,

1579
01:43:03,299 --> 01:43:08,129
pod fans. Pod fans.com I believe
is spot fans are calm.

1580
01:43:08,880 --> 01:43:10,710
Dave Jones: It was SM FM

1581
01:43:10,920 --> 01:43:12,690
Adam Curry: let me check them
and make sure I do this right.

1582
01:43:13,050 --> 01:43:18,600
Pod pod fans. Yes your pod
fans.fm

1583
01:43:18,630 --> 01:43:20,400
Dave Jones: I gotta get that
right he ponied up for the

1584
01:43:20,400 --> 01:43:21,540
expensive domain

1585
01:43:21,630 --> 01:43:24,240
Adam Curry: and when you go to
he did it's just really

1586
01:43:24,240 --> 01:43:30,900
expensive. z.fm don't domain
names are no joke. 101010 Thank

1587
01:43:30,900 --> 01:43:32,340
you very much baller boost

1588
01:43:32,369 --> 01:43:37,289
Unknown: Bala. Blaze on him,
Paula

1589
01:43:37,320 --> 01:43:40,230
Adam Curry: and he says I hear
your pain on duplicate guid

1590
01:43:40,230 --> 01:43:44,280
trying to fix the RSS V for V
issues asking do I need custom

1591
01:43:44,280 --> 01:43:47,670
key custom value and address and
he plans to add lightning

1592
01:43:47,670 --> 01:43:49,080
address to the value tag.

1593
01:43:50,790 --> 01:43:54,810
Dave Jones: Lightning address
lightning address. I think we

1594
01:43:54,810 --> 01:43:58,980
already I thought we already
added that to the spec. I think

1595
01:43:58,980 --> 01:44:02,790
so. But we but you have to
resolve it on the client, right?

1596
01:44:02,820 --> 01:44:07,290
You can't you can't just send it
over to the node. So you have

1597
01:44:07,320 --> 01:44:11,640
you know you need to D if you so
the lightning address. And um,

1598
01:44:11,640 --> 01:44:15,210
this is maybe poorly documented
and I need to write this down to

1599
01:44:15,210 --> 01:44:17,400
make sure that everybody knows
how this works because though

1600
01:44:17,640 --> 01:44:21,840
there's a there's a dot well
known URL that you can use to

1601
01:44:21,840 --> 01:44:25,260
resolve the lightning address
into a key send with custom key

1602
01:44:25,260 --> 01:44:28,350
and custom value. Let me make a
note of that too.

1603
01:44:30,029 --> 01:44:33,869
Adam Curry: In sovereign feeds,
you go in and it literally says

1604
01:44:33,899 --> 01:44:38,969
up add a split it says use
fountain use get Alby and you

1605
01:44:38,969 --> 01:44:42,689
click on it so yeah, so I would
type in SAM at get albie.com and

1606
01:44:42,689 --> 01:44:44,729
book it just resolves it right
into the block.

1607
01:44:45,659 --> 01:44:48,809
Dave Jones: Yeah, you have just
cool. The lightning address in

1608
01:44:48,809 --> 01:44:53,069
the context of a value block.
You resolve that with its like

1609
01:44:53,069 --> 01:44:59,309
dot well known slash row name
slash key sand I think and it

1610
01:44:59,309 --> 01:45:03,359
will give you package json block
with the custom key custom

1611
01:45:03,359 --> 01:45:06,959
value. I'll post it on the
mastodon Sam,

1612
01:45:07,140 --> 01:45:09,870
Adam Curry: one more bow bolo
booths before we get to the

1613
01:45:09,870 --> 01:45:12,360
other ones that you have on your
list from Dred Scott Of course

1614
01:45:12,360 --> 01:45:14,610
100,001 Satoshi.

1615
01:45:15,839 --> 01:45:19,289
Unknown: Kala 20 is blades on
the hem ball I

1616
01:45:19,289 --> 01:45:22,559
Adam Curry: love the hot sexy
namespace talk chapters will be

1617
01:45:22,559 --> 01:45:25,439
delayed for this episode busy
weekend starts tonight I'm in

1618
01:45:25,439 --> 01:45:28,199
charge of setting up audio and
video for an outdoor movie night

1619
01:45:28,199 --> 01:45:31,739
at the six year olds elementary
school this evening Wish me luck

1620
01:45:31,769 --> 01:45:34,439
that it goes well we don't have
angry parents or disappointed

1621
01:45:34,439 --> 01:45:39,089
kids last thing you need

1622
01:45:39,420 --> 01:45:42,780
Dave Jones: you need to throw
you need to throw up a as split

1623
01:45:42,780 --> 01:45:44,550
kit QR code for your services

1624
01:45:44,820 --> 01:45:47,760
Adam Curry: yeah what we need we
need to do is we need to give we

1625
01:45:47,760 --> 01:45:51,750
need to give him a little bit of
setting up karma and that out to

1626
01:45:51,750 --> 01:45:57,810
him you've got karma we need it
dude karma for that all right.

1627
01:45:58,020 --> 01:45:59,970
Dave continue with what you got.

1628
01:46:00,720 --> 01:46:04,680
Dave Jones: Well what I've got
is a is a fountain Pay Pal for

1629
01:46:04,680 --> 01:46:07,200
$200 from Oscar and the boys
whoa

1630
01:46:08,100 --> 01:46:12,120
Unknown: the boys 20 is blades
on the Impala

1631
01:46:12,149 --> 01:46:14,249
Adam Curry: much appreciated
keeps everything running

1632
01:46:14,279 --> 01:46:16,229
including our new big database

1633
01:46:16,560 --> 01:46:21,120
Dave Jones: Yeah, that's right.
We got fed databases was say we

1634
01:46:21,120 --> 01:46:23,940
got doesn't really pay pal so we
got some booster grams we got

1635
01:46:24,870 --> 01:46:29,160
111112 from drips got Whoa,
that's interesting. The money

1636
01:46:29,160 --> 01:46:29,400
printer.

1637
01:46:29,399 --> 01:46:30,359
Adam Curry: Good burger. That's
a

1638
01:46:30,989 --> 01:46:34,559
Unknown: big baller shot caller.
Blades on him.

1639
01:46:35,130 --> 01:46:36,660
Adam Curry: Thank you. It's
still number one on the

1640
01:46:36,660 --> 01:46:37,950
wavelength top 40.

1641
01:46:38,369 --> 01:46:40,259
Dave Jones: That's from last
week and we got another one from

1642
01:46:40,259 --> 01:46:45,359
Dred Scott 123456. Last week at
five o'clock same boosting is so

1643
01:46:45,359 --> 01:46:46,919
hard to fill up a quarry killer.

1644
01:46:48,000 --> 01:46:52,140
Unknown: Did it man call out 20
his blades only him follow.

1645
01:46:52,170 --> 01:46:54,450
Adam Curry: You gotta get some
back end on those deals. Drip.

1646
01:46:55,949 --> 01:46:57,869
Dave Jones: Yeah, turn around,
take it. Take a note out of the

1647
01:46:57,869 --> 01:46:59,369
Danish playbook and turn that
thing or

1648
01:46:59,550 --> 01:47:00,990
Adam Curry: turn that thing
around. Put it in your own

1649
01:47:00,990 --> 01:47:01,650
pocket.

1650
01:47:02,729 --> 01:47:06,299
Dave Jones: SC OTT gave us a
little give us a rocker emoji.

1651
01:47:06,299 --> 01:47:09,989
1420 Thank you. Thank you very
much. In the morning gave us

1652
01:47:09,989 --> 01:47:16,859
3000 SAS. That's great show.
Thank you. 666 66 from mere

1653
01:47:16,859 --> 01:47:20,459
motors podcast or buddy car and
he says dang that Bitcoin 2424

1654
01:47:20,459 --> 01:47:22,499
conference sounds really
appealing. I plan to be

1655
01:47:22,499 --> 01:47:24,479
traveling at that time as well.
Maybe?

1656
01:47:24,540 --> 01:47:28,770
Adam Curry: Oh, I would love to
have you there. I mean, we have

1657
01:47:28,770 --> 01:47:33,120
a we have a call next week Dave
with with those dudes. Wednesday

1658
01:47:33,120 --> 01:47:35,640
or something? Yeah, something
like that. Yeah, that we will

1659
01:47:35,640 --> 01:47:39,330
report back. We're gonna make it
badass. A buddy of

1660
01:47:39,330 --> 01:47:41,130
Dave Jones: mines coming to he's
going to drive up there from

1661
01:47:41,130 --> 01:47:44,280
Birmingham. And I mean, we I
mean, we'll, if anybody wants to

1662
01:47:44,280 --> 01:47:46,440
make it out, and we'll do a meet
up.

1663
01:47:47,340 --> 01:47:50,070
Adam Curry: Yes, great idea. And
if you let us know if you're

1664
01:47:50,070 --> 01:47:54,090
going in general and if you're
interested in being a part of

1665
01:47:54,090 --> 01:48:00,090
the presentation, because I just
don't know who's there. i We're

1666
01:48:00,090 --> 01:48:02,310
all figured we're figuring this
all out. But if you already have

1667
01:48:02,310 --> 01:48:03,660
plans on going let us know.

1668
01:48:04,439 --> 01:48:07,829
Dave Jones: Yeah. And we'll do
we know. Do we know if Roy's

1669
01:48:07,829 --> 01:48:09,269
flan over any?

1670
01:48:09,600 --> 01:48:13,830
Adam Curry: I knew I still need
to call Roy I need to call Roy

1671
01:48:15,870 --> 01:48:16,290
Roy

1672
01:48:17,279 --> 01:48:19,169
Dave Jones: when he figured out
the lb guys are gonna Yeah, just

1673
01:48:19,169 --> 01:48:20,279
everybody let us know if they're
gonna

1674
01:48:21,000 --> 01:48:22,830
Adam Curry: go on and so we can
start putting the program

1675
01:48:22,830 --> 01:48:25,170
together. Because it would be
cool if we can have a number of

1676
01:48:25,170 --> 01:48:28,230
people on stage to talk about,
you know, from different

1677
01:48:28,230 --> 01:48:32,400
disciplines of the 2.0 value for
value universe. Let's show

1678
01:48:32,400 --> 01:48:35,430
people what we're doing because
we are actually doing stuff that

1679
01:48:35,430 --> 01:48:40,080
no that everyone said they would
do. Like micro payments. Like

1680
01:48:40,080 --> 01:48:44,610
music. We're doing it people
were doing it. We are We are the

1681
01:48:44,610 --> 01:48:48,060
champions. My friends just

1682
01:48:49,500 --> 01:48:52,860
Dave Jones: 2000 SATs from
Nicholas B 58. It just says

1683
01:48:52,860 --> 01:48:58,140
boost yo boost boost. Another
2000 from Nicolas he says

1684
01:48:58,140 --> 01:48:59,250
boosting from the future.

1685
01:49:00,449 --> 01:49:02,429
Adam Curry: Boosting back from
the future boost

1686
01:49:03,090 --> 01:49:05,730
Dave Jones: and a third from
Nicolas be 50 80,000 SAS he says

1687
01:49:05,730 --> 01:49:11,010
boosting is like zappin love it
whooshed bad career advice. Chad

1688
01:49:11,010 --> 01:49:14,970
sends us a huge row of ducks 22
to 22. And he says what?

1689
01:49:15,750 --> 01:49:18,330
Adam Curry: Sorry. The ducks
came by.

1690
01:49:19,649 --> 01:49:22,769
Dave Jones: I frozen it unfrozen
now, what Dave shared about

1691
01:49:22,769 --> 01:49:27,239
siloed content, comments ratings
across across the closed

1692
01:49:27,239 --> 01:49:31,469
captioning ecosystem that blew
my mind. Nice. I'm a mind blower

1693
01:49:31,499 --> 01:49:38,519
we aim to aim to blow don't say
that. Can you imagine how many

1694
01:49:38,519 --> 01:49:41,069
meetings and how much money
those companies spent to break

1695
01:49:41,069 --> 01:49:44,099
down silos in the organization
while having a prime directive

1696
01:49:44,099 --> 01:49:47,129
to create silos? It is the
nature of the beast. That's

1697
01:49:47,129 --> 01:49:49,679
right. If you come across this
beast in the wild and it has

1698
01:49:49,679 --> 01:49:52,919
missed a few meals eg quarterly
earnings reports it will eat

1699
01:49:52,919 --> 01:49:57,539
you. Like Adam said the only way
is to say FM and build

1700
01:49:57,539 --> 01:49:58,409
decentralized.

1701
01:49:58,469 --> 01:50:00,359
Adam Curry: There you go. Boom.
Sure. like

1702
01:50:01,500 --> 01:50:04,290
Dave Jones: Todd from Northern
Virginia, a huge satchel

1703
01:50:04,290 --> 01:50:08,070
Richards 11111 So the podcast
index website says all hell is

1704
01:50:08,070 --> 01:50:09,120
gonna break loose and you're
gonna need a

1705
01:50:09,120 --> 01:50:12,450
Adam Curry: Bitcoin oh man I see
if I had had the Hold on a

1706
01:50:12,450 --> 01:50:15,150
second yeah you were slowing the
drill I didn't know I didn't

1707
01:50:15,150 --> 01:50:22,950
know I didn't know I have it
here. Here we go all hell is

1708
01:50:22,950 --> 01:50:24,780
gonna break loose and you're
gonna need a Bitcoin

1709
01:50:28,199 --> 01:50:31,379
Dave Jones: Archie sent us a
humongous actually Richard

1710
01:50:31,379 --> 01:50:35,459
1111113 The boost CLI since for
the scissors

1711
01:50:35,489 --> 01:50:37,559
Adam Curry: and that's a baller
boost is it not?

1712
01:50:37,830 --> 01:50:38,490
Dave Jones: Oh yeah, it is

1713
01:50:38,520 --> 01:50:43,470
Unknown: Bala Sakala 20 is Blaze
on I am Paula.

1714
01:50:44,460 --> 01:50:48,810
Dave Jones: Archie is Su CD and
the chat in the podcast index

1715
01:50:48,810 --> 01:50:55,050
social source D I love sushi
send us a stripper boosts 7777

1716
01:50:55,050 --> 01:50:57,810
through family says love the
conference ideas. Yeah, that's

1717
01:50:57,810 --> 01:50:58,080
gonna be

1718
01:50:58,350 --> 01:51:00,930
Adam Curry: it's gonna be it's
gonna be off the chain man.

1719
01:51:02,159 --> 01:51:06,419
Dave Jones: Yeah, marry Oscar,
also known as Oscar marry since

1720
01:51:06,419 --> 01:51:09,299
20,000 says the family says
would love to come on and talk

1721
01:51:09,299 --> 01:51:12,509
about transcripts implementation
and how we can share user pay

1722
01:51:12,509 --> 01:51:15,209
for transcripts back to the
feed. Get we're gonna have you

1723
01:51:15,209 --> 01:51:15,779
honestly on

1724
01:51:15,780 --> 01:51:18,780
Adam Curry: man. Just huge
issues. You have my head time.

1725
01:51:19,260 --> 01:51:22,170
My shoes Sorry, I'm just looking
for that. So Jeff my time value

1726
01:51:22,170 --> 01:51:25,020
splits set up we're good to go.
There's no pressure.

1727
01:51:26,340 --> 01:51:30,420
Dave Jones: Never pressure. Jo
W. Satchel Richard 1111 No note.

1728
01:51:30,930 --> 01:51:37,650
Anonymous 20 to 22 no note. We
got Clark in a friend of mine

1729
01:51:37,680 --> 01:51:43,260
25 529 It says adding another
five to nine to my usual 25k For

1730
01:51:43,260 --> 01:51:46,650
my Memorial Day boost while at
the lake Beep bop boo boo bop

1731
01:51:46,890 --> 01:51:54,360
boost sir Spencer 22 to 22 Row
ducks through fountain he says

1732
01:51:54,360 --> 01:51:58,020
would love to help with the V
for V panel in Nashville. Oh sir

1733
01:51:58,020 --> 01:52:02,220
Spencer. Definitely putting
together a V for free

1734
01:52:02,220 --> 01:52:05,070
presentation for our own Bitcoin
block party here in KC next

1735
01:52:05,070 --> 01:52:08,820
month. I can speak to the
podcasting aspect. Live item tag

1736
01:52:08,820 --> 01:52:11,190
and the music aspect. Plus, I
can drive out so you don't need

1737
01:52:11,190 --> 01:52:14,550
to burn a plane ticket. Wow,
that sounds

1738
01:52:14,550 --> 01:52:16,260
Adam Curry: I don't even have to
go at all. Just let's hear

1739
01:52:16,260 --> 01:52:23,220
Spencer do it. Right. Yeah. You
get that handled Spencer.

1740
01:52:23,250 --> 01:52:25,380
Thanks, bro. Yeah, we're gonna
get as many people I'm gonna

1741
01:52:25,380 --> 01:52:28,170
have a big stage, we need the
main stage. The big stage, we

1742
01:52:28,170 --> 01:52:29,670
need a lot of time, a lot of
mics.

1743
01:52:30,270 --> 01:52:32,070
Dave Jones: Spencer, I'm
disappointed that wavelike

1744
01:52:32,070 --> 01:52:35,370
operates as a walled garden to
see the spirit of decentralized

1745
01:52:35,370 --> 01:52:38,010
music is anyone can publish a
feed and have their content

1746
01:52:38,010 --> 01:52:41,580
available on the various apps in
the ecosystem. When able Kirby

1747
01:52:41,580 --> 01:52:44,640
and I really stay while on
Christmas Eve 2020. It was with

1748
01:52:44,640 --> 01:52:47,970
splits and lyrics supported with
Wave lake. There are no splits,

1749
01:52:48,000 --> 01:52:51,090
no support for lyrics. And if we
wanted our music available there

1750
01:52:51,090 --> 01:52:54,360
would we there we would have to
re upload it to their servers

1751
01:52:54,360 --> 01:52:57,000
and make a duplicate feed. Open
hosting is the way

1752
01:52:57,689 --> 01:53:02,849
Adam Curry: that's a good point.
I have a my own minor nitpick

1753
01:53:02,849 --> 01:53:08,879
with with wavelike. You can't
boost more than 999 sets to

1754
01:53:08,879 --> 01:53:12,689
match. Yeah. If you want to
boost from their interface I put

1755
01:53:12,689 --> 01:53:18,029
near some saxenda in the wall
from their UI. Yeah, it's 999 I

1756
01:53:18,029 --> 01:53:19,169
was like there's nothing.

1757
01:53:19,739 --> 01:53:23,069
Dave Jones: I wonder one. Well,
I think I mean, I think they're

1758
01:53:23,069 --> 01:53:26,189
just I think this address
addresses sir Spencer's thing.

1759
01:53:26,939 --> 01:53:30,089
You know, I've talked to Michael
and Samak. I think they're just

1760
01:53:30,089 --> 01:53:32,609
moving slowly. And they're
trying to, I mean, it's just the

1761
01:53:32,609 --> 01:53:34,889
two of those guys. And they're
trying to build something.

1762
01:53:35,669 --> 01:53:38,429
Right. I don't. I don't think
there's anything

1763
01:53:39,689 --> 01:53:42,119
Adam Curry: nefarious, it's
hard. It's hard. It's hard to

1764
01:53:42,119 --> 01:53:45,599
building a service like this.
It's hard to setting stuff up. I

1765
01:53:45,629 --> 01:53:46,649
completely agree.

1766
01:53:47,100 --> 01:53:49,440
Dave Jones: No, I understand
Spencer. I mean, I understand

1767
01:53:49,440 --> 01:53:53,700
what you're saying. I fully do.
I think that they're trying to

1768
01:53:53,880 --> 01:53:56,610
make they're just trying to make
sense of this thing. Because we

1769
01:53:56,610 --> 01:53:59,190
hit them. This was not their
intention. We hit them right

1770
01:53:59,190 --> 01:54:03,150
Adam Curry: away right in the in
the forehead like oh, yeah,

1771
01:54:03,180 --> 01:54:06,150
well, what's happening and now
we're dominating their chart.

1772
01:54:07,020 --> 01:54:11,310
Dave Jones: Yes. I think this
all works itself out as as their

1773
01:54:11,340 --> 01:54:12,990
you know, stuff matures. Yeah.

1774
01:54:13,739 --> 01:54:16,649
Adam Curry: But yeah, but you
know, I love that we have music

1775
01:54:16,649 --> 01:54:20,399
side project.com which helps you
self hosted which I think for

1776
01:54:20,399 --> 01:54:25,559
music is completely appropriate.
Yeah, for sure. And you know,

1777
01:54:25,559 --> 01:54:29,249
that's another thing that I
would love to see on on Start OS

1778
01:54:31,109 --> 01:54:34,559
Dave Jones: Yep, yeah, keep the
the pressure. Yeah, keep the

1779
01:54:34,559 --> 01:54:37,109
pressure up. I mean, that's
that's with your I know. Yeah.

1780
01:54:38,609 --> 01:54:42,779
Let's see. Well, you're
anonymous 2222 through anonymous

1781
01:54:42,899 --> 01:54:47,009
for anonymous, the cast thematic
Thank you 4096 from Jean been

1782
01:54:47,129 --> 01:54:51,059
nice. The YouTube things. The
YouTube thing reeks of embrace,

1783
01:54:51,059 --> 01:54:52,409
extend, extinguish.

1784
01:54:52,500 --> 01:54:55,530
Adam Curry: Ooh, yes. Scary. But
yes, you're right.

1785
01:54:56,220 --> 01:55:00,540
Dave Jones: The three Jean been
7777 striper I used to cast

1786
01:55:00,540 --> 01:55:03,120
medics as bring Mercy Me to
value for value and I'll have an

1787
01:55:03,120 --> 01:55:06,210
entirely new group of people who
I can talk to about V for V

1788
01:55:06,270 --> 01:55:09,180
Adam Curry: well I am
indoctrinating those guys and

1789
01:55:09,630 --> 01:55:13,440
did I tell you that that I
talked to him about this on a

1790
01:55:14,040 --> 01:55:16,830
group text? And I said hey look
at what we're doing and they

1791
01:55:16,890 --> 01:55:20,760
they listen to this piece of the
show I said so as you work with

1792
01:55:20,760 --> 01:55:28,650
labels and ASCAP BMI and now bro
so you know, the band i i would

1793
01:55:28,650 --> 01:55:33,360
say you never know you never
know it's a road I'm walking

1794
01:55:33,360 --> 01:55:33,750
down

1795
01:55:36,060 --> 01:55:37,860
Dave Jones: see George for Jesus
do

1796
01:55:37,860 --> 01:55:39,180
Adam Curry: it for Jesus boys.

1797
01:55:41,040 --> 01:55:44,550
Dave Jones: all in for Jesus yo
Jean been 2222 through cast

1798
01:55:44,550 --> 01:55:47,490
Matic. He says the posting back
of tags via the notes doesn't

1799
01:55:47,490 --> 01:55:50,850
feel right. I think I think I'm
with Adam here. That's fine.

1800
01:55:51,450 --> 01:55:54,180
Yeah, just throwing just I mean,
throwing stuff out there where

1801
01:55:54,180 --> 01:55:56,670
you know, nothing's set in
stone. No, just exploring

1802
01:55:56,700 --> 01:56:00,720
running with scissors. Yep. 2020
Jean benei says I think asking

1803
01:56:00,720 --> 01:56:03,060
people on the free hosting
providers to manually submit

1804
01:56:03,060 --> 01:56:05,910
their show to the index is
perfectly perfectly reasonable.

1805
01:56:06,360 --> 01:56:09,240
When you use free services a few
extra hoops to jump through are

1806
01:56:09,240 --> 01:56:13,740
not uncommon. True, I agree.
airhead with a rush boost when

1807
01:56:13,740 --> 01:56:16,560
he went 12 to podcast into his
website he says peer to 5.2

1808
01:56:16,560 --> 01:56:20,250
release candidate that would be
RC one supports value blog

1809
01:56:20,250 --> 01:56:22,950
directly in peer tubes RSS
stream at both channel and

1810
01:56:22,950 --> 01:56:26,130
episode level. Props to Alex
gates for all his work and

1811
01:56:26,130 --> 01:56:27,780
getting the change made to peer
tube.

1812
01:56:27,899 --> 01:56:31,469
Adam Curry: I agree big boost
boost I love that man. Good work

1813
01:56:31,469 --> 01:56:31,949
Alex.

1814
01:56:32,399 --> 01:56:35,369
Dave Jones: Yeah, we're gonna
have we're gonna have Alex on

1815
01:56:35,369 --> 01:56:40,949
the show to tell us you know all
about that and do tell us what

1816
01:56:40,949 --> 01:56:41,519
else yeah,

1817
01:56:41,850 --> 01:56:43,350
Adam Curry: then we're gonna
bring the youtubers

1818
01:56:44,040 --> 01:56:46,020
Dave Jones: Yeah, we're well I
wanted to have him on he said

1819
01:56:46,020 --> 01:56:49,860
hey, well you know why don't we
just wait till Why don't we wait

1820
01:56:49,860 --> 01:56:52,710
till the new release is out this
got all this stuff in so I think

1821
01:56:52,710 --> 01:56:54,810
we're good to go to have him on
now. So okay, let's schedule

1822
01:56:54,810 --> 01:57:00,120
some schedule it up maybe meet
us 33 333 through family says

1823
01:57:00,120 --> 01:57:03,120
Leila and I would like to throw
our hats in the ring speak about

1824
01:57:03,120 --> 01:57:04,680
V for V in Nashville. Yeah, here
we

1825
01:57:04,679 --> 01:57:08,999
Adam Curry: go. Number one.
Yeah, excellent hat received. It

1826
01:57:08,999 --> 01:57:09,599
has caught it.

1827
01:57:10,199 --> 01:57:12,839
Dave Jones: Got the hat? Fun
Fact Friday has benefited

1828
01:57:12,839 --> 01:57:15,059
greatly from FIFA V and we love
a road trip.

1829
01:57:16,260 --> 01:57:19,500
Adam Curry: It would be great to
have to have the two of them

1830
01:57:19,680 --> 01:57:24,570
speak for a moment about about
their experience. So it's just

1831
01:57:24,570 --> 01:57:28,260
not all you know nerds sorry
nerds you know

1832
01:57:30,359 --> 01:57:31,229
Unknown: David littler

1833
01:57:31,229 --> 01:57:34,649
Adam Curry: nerds but you know
she can do she can pass for a

1834
01:57:34,649 --> 01:57:36,299
non nerd true

1835
01:57:36,359 --> 01:57:40,709
Dave Jones: true. Marx 3111
through fountain he said money

1836
01:57:40,709 --> 01:57:42,839
printer go burr can get enough

1837
01:57:44,159 --> 01:57:46,709
Adam Curry: still number one
minute you can't help it like

1838
01:57:46,709 --> 01:57:47,309
that song.

1839
01:57:48,779 --> 01:57:55,259
Dave Jones: Anonymous who? Oh
big anonymous boost 321,700 sets

1840
01:57:55,289 --> 01:57:55,829
Oh

1841
01:57:57,689 --> 01:58:00,389
Unknown: 20 is Blaze only him
Paula

1842
01:58:00,869 --> 01:58:04,889
Dave Jones: any note says
boosting so boosting it's so

1843
01:58:04,889 --> 01:58:06,599
hard to fill a lot by quarry
killer

1844
01:58:06,630 --> 01:58:10,650
Adam Curry: Oh yes. Okay, so
that did it because Cory was you

1845
01:58:10,650 --> 01:58:14,730
know just barely scratching the
top 10 And then an anonymous

1846
01:58:14,730 --> 01:58:18,270
booster came in and ripped him
right into the top five

1847
01:58:18,870 --> 01:58:21,750
Dave Jones: no that happened in
the feed after the FAFSA

1848
01:58:21,750 --> 01:58:24,090
Adam Curry: bash after the facts
Google thank you

1849
01:58:24,390 --> 01:58:27,150
Dave Jones: wow yeah, that was
an anonymous boost

1850
01:58:27,180 --> 01:58:31,800
Adam Curry: the love it. Usually
it was it curio caster curio

1851
01:58:31,800 --> 01:58:33,480
caster. Yeah. Nice.

1852
01:58:34,710 --> 01:58:39,270
Dave Jones: Thank you anonymous
arrow statica 50,000 SATs nice

1853
01:58:39,270 --> 01:58:44,280
through fountain says for the
hell of it. Okay. for the hell

1854
01:58:44,280 --> 01:58:49,500
of it. We'll give you this. Just
for the Helaman Borlaug. 20,000

1855
01:58:49,500 --> 01:58:53,580
SATs the pod versus strong word
gentlemen. Thank you. Thank you.

1856
01:58:55,440 --> 01:58:59,550
Let's see. Did you read the tone
record pre boosting before the

1857
01:58:59,580 --> 01:59:03,720
June 2 shows? It's all missed
the live chat? No. Okay. Yeah,

1858
01:59:03,750 --> 01:59:06,540
the says summer is underway I'll
miss the last session pre

1859
01:59:06,540 --> 01:59:12,690
boosting 1010101 Boost boost.
Thank you don't record

1860
01:59:12,690 --> 01:59:15,810
appreciate that and we got the
delimiter guy What's your blog

1861
01:59:15,810 --> 01:59:20,940
on mixer blogger 30 3015 through
fountaining says David Adam are

1862
01:59:20,940 --> 01:59:24,300
doing dynamic duo who make
greasing the wheels of the spit

1863
01:59:24,300 --> 01:59:27,630
and sawdust machine that is the
podcast index look easy. Large

1864
01:59:27,630 --> 01:59:30,210
language models and podcasting
are a match made in heaven.

1865
01:59:30,570 --> 01:59:33,120
Assure yourselves that every
deployment of artificial

1866
01:59:33,120 --> 01:59:36,030
intelligence that matches
perfectly to the podcasting will

1867
01:59:36,030 --> 01:59:39,660
be covered by AI dot cooking
podcast news items expertly

1868
01:59:39,660 --> 01:59:43,440
recounted than colored bug woof
with deft deconstruction and

1869
01:59:43,440 --> 01:59:47,070
honest humor. Let collaborative
automation ease your heavy heavy

1870
01:59:47,070 --> 01:59:49,950
lifting, yo CSP sat streaming.

1871
01:59:49,979 --> 01:59:52,649
Adam Curry: Thank you very much
girlfriend CSB. Appreciate you.

1872
01:59:55,349 --> 01:59:58,859
So those are those are the
booths and then we have

1873
01:59:58,859 --> 01:59:59,579
monthlies. Yes

1874
01:59:59,580 --> 02:00:02,160
Dave Jones: a month. It's Elise
here from the pay pals we get

1875
02:00:02,160 --> 02:00:07,950
Aaron Renaud $5 Pedro gan
calvess $5 Scott Jalbert $12

1876
02:00:08,370 --> 02:00:13,470
Chad Pharaoh Thank you Chad
$20.22 Mark Graham $1 And Martin

1877
02:00:13,470 --> 02:00:15,150
Lind Discogs $1.

1878
02:00:15,359 --> 02:00:17,759
Adam Curry: Thank you all so
much for supporting podcasting

1879
02:00:17,759 --> 02:00:20,639
to point out not just the
podcast of course but also the

1880
02:00:20,639 --> 02:00:23,249
entire project the index the
servers, everything that's

1881
02:00:23,249 --> 02:00:26,909
running the extra work we put
in. Although we take no

1882
02:00:26,909 --> 02:00:31,079
salaries, all the Satoshis stay
on the node we use them for

1883
02:00:31,229 --> 02:00:33,899
liquidity happened to open hoppy
to open one for you and of

1884
02:00:33,899 --> 02:00:37,229
course, it's expensive to open
channels these days with the

1885
02:00:37,289 --> 02:00:41,759
frickin ordinals and you can go
to podcast index.org down at the

1886
02:00:41,759 --> 02:00:46,409
bottom you see two red donate
buttons one is for your your

1887
02:00:46,409 --> 02:00:50,309
Fiat fun coupons through PayPal
and we also have our tally coin

1888
02:00:50,309 --> 02:00:53,699
where you can send on chain
Bitcoin or lightning and thank

1889
02:00:53,699 --> 02:00:58,649
you to anonymous for sending us
160,063 Satoshis

1890
02:00:59,249 --> 02:01:03,089
Unknown: Sakala 20 is Blaze only
Ambala love

1891
02:01:03,090 --> 02:01:04,620
Adam Curry: it when people use
that thing it's always

1892
02:01:04,620 --> 02:01:09,480
unexpected but always always
nice very very nice. Yeah to

1893
02:01:09,480 --> 02:01:15,360
value for value value for value
works everybody and remember to

1894
02:01:16,080 --> 02:01:18,780
listen to this episode or at
least the portions with the

1895
02:01:18,780 --> 02:01:22,920
songs to support the artists I
do have an end of show song

1896
02:01:22,920 --> 02:01:27,420
which we'll play after after the
ending ending bits here which is

1897
02:01:27,420 --> 02:01:30,990
from some local boys they're
called boys home they are from

1898
02:01:30,990 --> 02:01:36,630
Kerrville Texas and they have
Blink 182 Is their kind of their

1899
02:01:36,630 --> 02:01:39,810
inspiration it's two minutes and
nine seconds so yeah you know I

1900
02:01:39,810 --> 02:01:44,850
kind of saw and that's gonna be
the jam five minutes into it but

1901
02:01:44,850 --> 02:01:48,960
they just uploaded their not
only their D their debut EP but

1902
02:01:48,960 --> 02:01:54,600
also their full album to wave
Lake and and I want to support

1903
02:01:54,600 --> 02:01:58,470
them and I hope you will as well
by doing that in curio caster or

1904
02:01:58,500 --> 02:01:59,430
in pod friend

1905
02:02:00,600 --> 02:02:04,020
Dave Jones: Ella Spencer's
talking a lot about about music

1906
02:02:04,020 --> 02:02:07,410
podcasting in the in the chat
and I just love the one thing I

1907
02:02:07,410 --> 02:02:13,740
love about what Spencer's has
done since day one is just a

1908
02:02:13,740 --> 02:02:17,730
demonstrate he's just been a
demonstration of how you can

1909
02:02:17,730 --> 02:02:21,480
just do this on your own you
don't have to have if you have

1910
02:02:21,480 --> 02:02:26,310
some knowledge and you have the
Will you can just run all of

1911
02:02:26,310 --> 02:02:29,850
your own stuff you don't have to
have a host if you don't want to

1912
02:02:29,850 --> 02:02:34,200
me most people are gonna have to
go the hosting route but at its

1913
02:02:34,200 --> 02:02:38,490
most base level RSS podcasting
doesn't need you can do it

1914
02:02:38,490 --> 02:02:41,190
yourself. Yes and to text file
and audio and if

1915
02:02:41,460 --> 02:02:46,290
Adam Curry: and if you look at
how much effort and enthusiasm

1916
02:02:46,290 --> 02:02:51,210
and work artists and bands and
musicians put into getting stuff

1917
02:02:51,210 --> 02:02:55,890
done you know with your own
merch and with your sales and

1918
02:02:55,890 --> 02:02:59,220
you know you got your table set
up at your gig I mean they know

1919
02:02:59,250 --> 02:03:03,960
they're they are entrepreneurs
by definition and we want to we

1920
02:03:03,960 --> 02:03:06,180
want to support that and want to
make sure that that works for

1921
02:03:06,180 --> 02:03:10,020
everybody and that any you don't
just do you don't need the big

1922
02:03:10,020 --> 02:03:11,310
stupid infrastructure

1923
02:03:12,180 --> 02:03:14,160
Dave Jones: and you've got the
you know these these bands on

1924
02:03:14,160 --> 02:03:18,480
the road have they have all
kinds of Reno they got roadies

1925
02:03:18,480 --> 02:03:20,790
doing all their Oh yeah, we're

1926
02:03:20,790 --> 02:03:22,890
Adam Curry: pulling cables
ourselves baby stuff.

1927
02:03:23,819 --> 02:03:27,239
Dave Jones: I'm just thinking
that like you could have one of

1928
02:03:27,239 --> 02:03:31,709
the one of the guys jobs on the
tour is monitoring the V for V

1929
02:03:31,739 --> 02:03:34,769
Adam Curry: Yes. And don't
forget you can also use the

1930
02:03:34,769 --> 02:03:38,849
Split kit split the split
kake.com use that for your get

1931
02:03:38,849 --> 02:03:42,509
some QR codes up on up on the
screen or print out a board

1932
02:03:43,139 --> 02:03:47,099
print out a sign man we are
changing the world Dave I'm so

1933
02:03:47,099 --> 02:03:51,749
proud of us and when I say us I
mean not you me everybody

1934
02:03:51,779 --> 02:03:54,869
everybody that's doing this we
should record this for

1935
02:03:54,869 --> 02:03:56,429
prosperity oh wait we are

1936
02:03:57,869 --> 02:04:02,489
Dave Jones: loved like I'm
really addicted to do appear to

1937
02:04:02,519 --> 02:04:07,349
now and like I mean like I'm
kind of a you know nuts about it

1938
02:04:07,349 --> 02:04:12,389
and yeah, it was so much fun
doing that live server upgrade

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in like what was fun about it is
like ever had everybody in there

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like you and Alex and airhead
and like just like talking and

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Archie was in there I don't I
just made it made the whole

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thing fun and it gave me a sort
of a glimpse of the future of

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when all this stuff is baked
fully baked how you really

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really don't need YouTube

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Adam Curry: not at all and I was
sending you the default 69 SATs

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per minute which we didn't You
didn't get that

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Dave Jones: I didn't even know I
could get the for V through

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through the thing and then I
think it was Alex or somebody

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was like was like hey, I'm
trying to boost you like boost

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me.

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Adam Curry: Yeah You can do it
right from the peer to page

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although I want to have it in
the app you know obviously for

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obvious reasons but the peer to
page work to were perfectly I

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connected it to my lb wallet I
would like to be able to connect

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it to other wallets just saying
let's remember to keep the open

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nature of lightning available
people because we don't want to

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run into too much trouble I want
to be able to switch let's put

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it that way. If something goes
wrong I want to be able to say

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oh no problem let me connect my
connect my own lightning wallet

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here.

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Dave Jones: Well I mean as far
as I understand it with the

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lightning plugin that's that's
possible on the table now will

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will will get all the dates but

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Adam Curry: the deeds okay
you're crushing it yo with your

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with your millennial smokers. So
it says all this stuff remember

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stay tuned for the end of show
song my brother Dave Have a

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great weekend. And so should you
chat room See you next time

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