Episode 134: ChapterGPT

0:00 Adam Curry: podcasting 2.0 From May 26 2023, episode 134 GPG Well, hello everybody, welcome to podcasting. 2.0 the podcast that is the official board meeting of podcasting 2.0 The boardroom, Warren Buffett is forbidden from joining. That's right. We do have the best drinks. Everything happening at podcasts index.org the podcast namespace and of course podcast index dot social I'm Adam curry here in the heart of the Texas Hill Country and Alabama the man who has only five emails in his inbox say hello to my friend on the other end ladies and gentlemen Mr. Dave Jones Dave Jones: straight up JT Adam Curry: I saw only five emails in it but that must have been just the podcast index inbox right?

0:52 Dave Jones: Oh yeah, my other seven inboxes they're all loaded up. No, Adam Curry: I'm a universal inbox kind of guy. I'm like give it all to me at one point No, really? No, Dave Jones: no, no, no, no, there's way too much. Now this is that's terrifying to even think about Adam Curry: but I filter I filter stuff into into other places. Now because Dave Jones: you're the horrible thing that happens when you have unified inbox is you end up responding from the wrong account. Adam Curry: Well, no, no no. Excuse me. Okay, no, I understand what you're saying because I you know, like pod info podcast index.org They get Adam mccurry.com back they don't get stuck Yeah, Dave Jones: don't do that. I can't do that. Yeah, I gotta keep that separation of concerns.

1:38 Adam Curry: Do you have separate you separate email programs do you have used like a Gmail and there's something else really Dave Jones: what I need I am so horribly ADHD that I need. I need to have separate like distinct I will use separate email clients just to keep myself in check. Wow, from messing up. Wow, that is I mean I'll use different Brett I use like four different browsers I'll use edge chrome brave and in Firefox, just to keep things like on the same computer at the same time just to keep things in different like organized differently well, it helps me to have to it helps me not to have to think about it so I can be rapid response Adam Curry: well this is where our roads separate my friend.

2:28 This is where we differ quite a bit at night okay my pitch you see my pitch to Bitcoin 2024 Dave Jones: No, I did that that was that was a nice pitch. Right I don't think you had to pitch hard because they were really they're ready to get the ball in the mood no matter what. Adam Curry: Did you see the whole thread because it was a longer thread with a they were Yeah, they were almost begging me like hey man can't come to Bitcoin K coming to Miami. Like no man I really don't I'm not coming to Miami this year. Dave Jones: And nothing against Miami people I don't know if you call him Miamians or whatever. It's just not my talent. I can't I don't like that term. Adam Curry: I don't like the fact that I need to you know that I need to transfer flights there's no direct flight from anywhere in this area. So no, it's just a hard No.

3:16 Dave Jones: The only time I've ever been we lived across the street from a chicken that woke me up at a restaurant at 430 in the morning every day which was so weird in downtown Miami so Adam Curry: that's funny That's very funny Dave Jones: man up so Melissa in Miracle they're gone like they when they went to the beach go in um I'm by myself for for the weekend. Hidden I'm going to be programming my fingers off and doing a database upgrade. Upgrade I got a buddy of mine gave me a smoker gave me his old smoker a couple nine a couple of weeks. Now you're talking and South preps and some baby back ribs before the show with Do you know meet church meet the church meet church Adam Curry: meet no I'm not familiar with meet church Dave Jones: yeah they make they make rubs Adam Curry: oh yes I do know Yeah. Oh, so you got your own special rub the rub you like Dave Jones: I got it's called this is called the Holy Gospel and Adam Curry: set you on fire.

4:31 Dave Jones: Yeah. saves you from the fire. This is all smoke no fire that's Oh, I Adam Curry: got a nice nice nice nice yeah, so Dave Jones: we you know, I've prepped up some baby back ribs are gonna turn around a smoker. Have you seen the pellet smokers that had the wood pellets? Adam Curry: I have. We've actually looked at those but I'm not much of a smoker. I'm more like a Burnet Dave Jones: shore blazers. Adam Curry: Let me just finish up the Bitcoin pitch Usually what we pitch is like, hey, you know, Bitcoin 20 fits in Nashville this year. And I said, well, by coincidence, my partner in podcasting 2.0, Dave and I, we've just been talking about it because it's only a couple hours from his house and I can get a direct flight from San Antonio to Nashville. So yeah, we'd be happy to come and let me pitch you. Why don't we do a session where we have a couple of app developers? A couple of podcasters and a couple of musicians who are all benefiting from this new ecosystem killer idea did they did they get back to his yet because my email boxes to full Dave Jones: minute man is not for so let me Adam Curry: I am so behind you. I went I went to do Glenn Beck on Tuesday, so that whole day was out. Then wednesday i Oh, man, I had a massive adjustment to my mouth, which was kind of fun.

5:53 Dave Jones: What do you what do you what do you mean by adjustment to your mouth? Well, not something my mom did to me when I was a kid if I Adam Curry: know so now we have now the the the posts are in right of eight posts in there. And we're getting close to starting to do the first actual teeth that you screw on to them which will be temporaries because now we're we're going to be training the gums so so you don't have like this you know two straight line gum you know you want to kind of flow over you want to look as natural as possible. So I'll have these temporary teeth and they'll literally screw the man with with a torque wrench and move them up Yeah, but wait, here's the cool thing so so he's alright so now he had some stitches to take out which is always out but they're apparently on these these posts they're little caps kind of like lug nuts he said let me know let me let me unscrew them. So he's he's unscrewing them with with with an Allen wrench little mini allen wrench and that's the weirdest feeling it's like like your car Dave Jones: get the air tool Adam Curry: no matter what it wasn't when he wasn't with the air tool. It was literally by hand and then hand the hand unscrews them and then he put some temporary posts in I mean the whole it's it didn't hurt. It was just weird. Weird to feel so unscrewing something into your bone because you

7:25 Dave Jones: have your did heavy on the lift Adam Curry: upside down on the list Hey, did they get Did you find anything to get back to us? I don't see anything. Dave Jones: I can't find my folders as something is Adam Curry: exactly Oh, here it is. What's this Bitcoin? Bonus this. Dave Jones: Where are my folders? I don't like this. Adam Curry: Oh, here it is. Okay. Oh, we got Oh, we got something. Oh, we got something back. Adam you rock you rock. Not you rock, rock, rock. Love the way your mind works in the V four V model and prac I'm reading this. I'm reading this cold people. That said I'm not including our Chief of Staff, Brandon, General Manager, c k and b 24. PROGRAMMING LEAD. Alex McShane to bring together thought leaders for beat 24 We should plan a kickoff call to discuss the many ways we might think, wow, I think we're in Dave Jones: sweet. I mean, what are we in for? What are we going to do? Exactly what Yeah, but what is the what is the presentation going to be? Oh, no, it's Adam Curry: gonna be here. Hold on a second. They want to call a roundtable No, we're gonna do yeah, we'll do. We'll just do a panel. To panel. Okay. Yeah, so they love it. So here's what I pitched. We presented before Okay, V for V at the podcast, V for Wii. To get some app developers developers talk about

8:56 their experiences and also benefit from the value splits. To have all focused on that. We started testing a new feature allows podcaster to play song from any artists that has a wallet and the V for V info C Wave Lake and dystopia actually switch the wallet during the song to the artists and their value splits for the duration. We already put four songs into the wav Lake top 40 Just doing the test and work on work on the pot and then I say the podcasting 2.0 Group is a quite a it's really quite a cool community that is open source and hasn't blown up even after three Dave Jones: years. That is a feed actually Adam Curry: show they're all in they love it we're in. Dave Jones: And so I think you want to do like there should be alive. Now Adam Curry: we'll do a demo. We'll do live demo and of course we're going to do a live demo. Absolutely. And then when I think we should make it completely crazy and we'll get some maybe like get Joe Martin you know because he What does that know the bill? Oh, this Oh, that's chunky Dave Jones: red cat. You're Adam Curry: the chicken so we don't know Yo the chickens. I gotta say, Dave Jones: yes. Now listen, Adam Curry: so we'll do it. We'll do a quick little preset demo something that won't fail. Okay, then we bring out a couple of devs. Right?

10:13 Dave Jones: So devs devs willing to go to, Adam Curry: we'll figure it out. I mean, we're gonna everyone's getting flown in baby. Dave Jones: Yeah, on the on the on the g4 or whatever. No, Adam Curry: no southwest, but everyone's got flown in, of course. Of course, we're gonna bring in some devs and maybe bring in Joe Martin, and wait for it. So then we show how everything works. And then everyone talks about the experience. Then Joe Martin plays Live and we then we put up the split, split kit QR code. Yeah, of course. Of course. Yeah, I can do it. I'm excited. This is great. This is gonna be dynamite.

10:58 Dave Jones: I love it. This is awesome. Yes, I'm totally down. This is good. This is this the way you do it. This is going to be on the this is going to be on the river financial stage. Adam Curry: Do I want on the mainstage? Baby main major bust? You bet mainstream? Dave Jones: What come on right out it will come on right after see that's Wait a second. Oh, What? What? This is great. This is great. Because right? This is going to be 2024 before the election. This is going to be right in the middle of politics. Oh, you're right. You're right there. So we can come on right after whatever presidential candidate bullcrap that they that they do. And just draw just I mean, like, totally soak up the keep getting us.

11:44 Adam Curry: No, that's me. That's me. And there's something wrong here on my end. I'm not sure what. My teeth Yes, my teeth. I'm feeding but I don't know why. which for some reason, I'm getting feedback. Anyone picking Dave Jones: up two meters on the ionosphere? Yeah. Adam Curry: I wonder if I could actually broadcast or receive through those things. I could put an antenna in my mouth. Alright, anyway. Dave Jones: Big now. That could be a big conference is what I'm trying to say. It's gonna be Adam Curry: it's gonna be a great conference in Nashville. Which is cool. Dave Jones: Yeah, yeah. It's June right into June. Yeah. Adam Curry: I just didn't know it was I think it's may just ended. It'll be April, April, May, May, June, whatever. Okay, it's good. Great. All right. So this is going to work. I love this. Dynamite.

12:34 Dave Jones: Bill audiences built in boosts. This is Adam Curry: great. Yeah. And we're gonna show everybody how it works and how, more importantly, how we as a community, how would how the value flow by sharing the value, which of course is the whole promise of bull crap web three. Dave Jones: That disappeared? Well, of course. I mean, I hadn't heard the term web three in ages. Adam Curry: Yeah. Because bullcrap. Obviously. Yeah. I'm, I'm excited about this. Speaking of this is gonna work i Yes. Dave Jones: Light is like speaking of lightning and Bitcoin stuff. There's a whole I felt like we might need to have Roy back on because there's all of a sudden, there's a whole bunch of new stuff hasn't enough. Yeah. Have you noticed that Adam Curry: now? No. Oh, well, Ark seems. And I mean, I read about it, I guess. But someone post something about Ark. There was a, there was a post somewhere. And then it was just really long thread explaining it. And it seemed like, there was lightning channels, but the whole idea was lightning channels without inbound liquidity. But you need to have some trustworthy arc service providers when that's when my eyes roll back in my head and went okay. All right.

13:49 Dave Jones: I don't think it's, I don't think it's a lot different than what Adam Curry: the one LSP does. Dave Jones: Yeah, yeah. But like, I think I think basically, they're already going in that direction. Anyway, it I'm reading through the sort of announcement right now. And it's it's not it's not nutty. I mean, like, it's, it makes sense. But there's like, you know, cashyou and Fetti and enigma and Ark and all right. I mean, like, there's just so much and all of a sudden there's this like, explosion of stuff going on on on the line Adam Curry: boy, even alive. He has we haven't gotten a boost from him. Dave Jones: Let me see you in a while. Adam Curry: I don't know. I feel a little left out. Dave Jones: I don't see any of this from Roy. Yeah, see what I mean. I don't see his tail tail. 54321 So I guess. I don't know.

14:35 I guess we heard his failings. Adam Curry: Well, I'll reach out to him and tell him we need him on. I have a confession to make. Dave Jones: This this is basically Adam Curry: it was me. I knew it. I am the pod news. Deep Throat. Dave Jones: About the YouTube about the YouTube Lee Adam Curry: Yes. So, so, so did we read that email that I got on the last show? From Erika from YouTube? She's Yes, yeah, we read that right? Yeah, yeah. And we said homos economic pull it up here.

15:18 Dave Jones: Yeah Here it is forwarded Erica's email well here's Adam Curry: what happened. So she sent that hey my name is Erica work on my team at YouTube that helps podcast launch and grow on our platform. I would love to partner with you and your team on building out your you Dave Jones: check with the rest of the team Adam Curry: Yeah, exactly check with the team we recently launched some really incredible new partner blah blah So I replied and said until you ingest RSS feeds like any normal podcast app, we are not interested regards and and she came back. Hi, Adam. Hope you had a great weekend. But now this already. This is some AI Mojo hear because after that rude email for me was not did not warrant. I hope you had a great weekend. Yes, like she's unfazed. Yes. How you completely. And by the way, her name's Erica. Okay, sure. We hear you. And we'd like to invite you to participate in a private beta of RSS ingestion coming soon to YouTube studio.

16:16 RSS ingestion will allow the audio of your podcast show to podcast show. Grace to be uploaded to your channel automatically without needing a manual upload for each episode. More information attach below if you're interested. I'm happy to discuss further details on what the beta entails details and what the beta entails. Let me know. Thanks, Erica. And and so it has a PDF attached may bring this up. Yeah. Dave Jones: It said Hi, Eric, and nobody else seems interested. Thanks. Adam Curry: And it's the YouTube RSS ingestion pilot. And it's last updated January 10 2023. So it's been out for a while, please do not share outside your organization, which I didn't do because you're my organization. Right podcasting. And, and so I immediately forwarded that to James and I said, I don't know if you got it from anybody else. But I figured you might want to see this. And then all of a sudden, it's like, it's like an exclusive. Like exclusive breaking news, breaking news.

17:27 Dave Jones: And so you didn't sign the NDA. There was Adam Curry: no NDA. There was no no, no quit. In fact, James said, wow, that's really weird. They say please do not share outside your organization but didn't make you sign anything. Now Amanda just sent this to me. It was from January 10th. Like this has been out for a while. And apparently they're live examples are CNN is one thing CNN is chasing life, the city cast Pittsburgh and the daily beams. Anyway, so I've read this over. I've put it in the show notes because I'm sharing it within inside our organization. Dave Jones: Correct? Yes. Okay. Yes. Podcasting. 2.0 broadcasting Adam Curry: this organization. I have some thoughts on it.

18:09 Dave Jones: Okay, I have thoughts too. Yes. I'd Adam Curry: love to hear your thoughts first. Dave Jones: It pisses me off. Adam Curry: It doesn't piss me off. It reminds me of Lucy and the football. Dave Jones: Let me tell you specifically, what pisses me off. What pisses me off is that I know that hosting companies will jump on board and go all in with this. With with this thing, even though, so I mean, we have been begging for things like appropriate dai time adjustments. And these kinds of things in podcast and chapters and transcripts and all this kind of stuff. We've been what I saw, what I saw was it must not contain any ads, it must be basically a clean episode upload. We're gonna take it, we're not going to give you any pass through we're not going to give you stats, we're just going to suck this thing in and we're gonna we're gonna roll with it.

19:11 Good luck, Sia. And you know, that there's going to be hosting companies are like, Yeah, okay, great. Cool. And in the meantime, you know, all the legitimate reasons that we have been trying to beg people for clean for clean episode data for months and months and months. As soon as YouTube comes along, they're like, oh, yeah, cool, we'll do it. But for podcasting, 2.0 and the greater a new podcast open podcasting ecosystem, and that's what pisses me off about is because I know that I know that they that a lot of companies will jump in and play ball with this even though they said screw, you know, screw you guys before. Adam Curry: Oh, well. Interesting. Okay, here's my take. First of all, I'm making sure everybody sees the full PDF because it's five pages. So probably no more than you might have seen. Hosting hosting companies are mentioned a couple of times in this document. Will my ads from RSS feed feed carry over to YouTube, your ads will be burned into the video that's uploaded to YouTube and cannot be dynamically swapped out like other platforms. If you don't want your ads to carry over, you need to work with your hosting provider to either not insert ads when YouTube requests the audio files or to get an ad free RSS feed. So I'm not quite sure where this you have to have it ad free comes into that's as far as I can tell, just not true.

20:38 Can I see my podcast YouTube performance on my hosting platform? Not automatically, the analytics for your podcast are stored on YouTube and are not automatically passed through to your hosting provider. your hosting company cannot see how many times a podcast episode was listened to on YouTube because all podcast content and YouTube is hosted on YouTube. We do allow hosting providers to access your analytics data on your behalf by our analytics API. No hosting companies currently support this, but we're working with them to support this soon. Interesting. So that's the only two times that it's mentioned. So I'm, I'm not exactly sure why. There's this idea that you have to have a clean feed without ads. But here's here's what to me, it was this is loosing the football all over again. This is exactly how it went with Google Reader.

21:33 Exactly the same way. Yeah. And on July 1 2013. Spring cleaning, Google said we'd launched Google Reader in 2005, in an effort to make it easy for people to discover and keep tabs on their favorite websites. While the product had a loyal following. Over the years usage has declined. So on July 1 2013, we will retire Google Reader. So this is exactly the same strategy. And I would never do this. Because the number one safeguard we have in podcasting is the decentralized nature of hosting companies. So if as a hosting company, you decide to promote this and to do this and give this to your users, I believe you are signing your own death warrant. Because that this, you are literally building your competitor right in front of your eyes. All that Google will need to do is say Now we're not going to do RSS feeds anymore. But you can upload it directly to us. Here you go. And they may even output an RSS feed for other apps doubtful but they might.

22:48 Dave Jones: Yeah, they will. They will begin having all this podcast content on there. They'll get everybody used. Adam Curry: They might even make a podcast app they could do. They could do all kinds of things. Do not play with these eight holes. I'm sorry, do not play this game. We've seen this before. We've seen it. Now. I don't even believe and by the way for podcasters here's why you don't want to do this. Just go look at all the sad stories of pod of YouTubers who created an audience. Everything was great going gangbusters monetizing like crazy, or even not monetizing. And then YouTube decides now not today, near no or de monetize as you or de algo eyes as you deprioritize as you the whole game they play with the sad YouTubers is they make you hit the algo over and over again with new content. It's it's a it's a rat wheel.

23:55 Dave Jones: Yeah. This is this is there's there's so much wrong with this. I mean, like I understand how so if you're if you're a hosting company, and you have you have your you have your customers to say hey, I really want to do this. I can understand why that you would need to play that game. If you had if you had enough of your of your customer bases. Like I really want to take advantage of this. You know, and I don't I don't I don't know Adam Curry: why don't we take a stand for once. Take a stand. No, no, no hosting company will do this. Just for once. This is literally the reason why podcasting is decentralized is because of the decentralized hosting companies. This is why it works so well.

24:51 Dave Jones: The The only thing I can think of is that, you know we've been people have been burned so much by Google in the past, when Google Reader happened, everything was still very new. And everything Google still had that. I mean, if I'm not mistaken, on my timeline, when Google Reader came around, do you know evil was still the motto? Yeah. That was early days. And so at this point, though, everybody sees the, the, the funeral, the greatest, give me the graveyard of, of ditched Google projects. And they seen how often they have kneecapped everything that they've gotten involved in. And I don't, I'm not so sure that I think what I think here's what I get, here's what I feel like is gonna happen. I think there's gonna there are going to be hosting companies that play ball with this in order to satisfy their users. But they're going to be extremely cautious. I don't see. I mean, Todd is already, he's already saying that, and I don't feel comfortable with this. I think there's going to be a lot of hesitation to get in bed with Google yet again, and have them yank the rug out from everybody or pull the football, like you said, Adam Curry: Well, there's just enough prior prior history, and because they're not doing and what what benefit did we all get

26:24 from Spotify? Seriously? And how great was that test? Now? They're all we're going to be your best partner. Yes, yes, that since everything else failed, we want to be the best partner for you. Well, they're not. They're not the best partner. They don't support any new features. They don't support any anything moving forward. They only support their own closed system. So Dave Jones: no, you know, what was? What was a beautiful thing this week? I had a, I forgot why I went on there. But veggies jumped on to I think it was trying to find what episode number we were on, because Adam Curry: because it's been so many Dave Jones: men, I just don't even remember. But I pulled up our show on the website. Just on podcast index.org. And in I saw the show Comments button, Adam Curry: or you clicked it and you saw how many comments how many how often is used.

27:22 Dave Jones: It was beautiful. It was so beautiful. He had all these Mastodon comments, that because because the protocols were built the way they were, it exists. I know for I know that the comments this, this beautifully treed hierarchical comments that are underneath episode 133. I know that those are going to be the exact same comments that show up in pod friend and pod verse. And in every other app that supports it, it was really a wonderful thing to see because it likes it. So So compare that with the other, this other landscape that we now live in, where you're going to have comments on YouTube. And you're going to have comments in Spotify or q&a and by content over here in Spotify, and you're gonna have reviews on Apple podcast, you know, and you're gonna have different comments over here in this other silo, you're in enough Twitter gets in the game, you're gonna have comments there on Twitter, like there's do we do we seriously want to live in a world where there's 10, different siloed batches of content, where all of our stuff lives and in a podcaster is going to have to either manage that themselves and jump back and forth between all these different platforms. Or you're gonna have to, you know, hire, hire a guy to do it. This is

28:56 dumb. This is so dumb. Okay, Adam Curry: I just got a I got a ping from James, you know, my handler, my handler as the as partners Deep Throat monetization. How should I handle dynamic ad insertion? This is kind of irrelevant. There are two types of ad like content that we differentiate between one regular ads, typically created by the advertiser or read by an announcer, and host read ads also named sponsor segments, typically created and always read by the host of the podcast. Oh, here we go. Regular ads are not allowed to be uploaded to YouTube requests. We request feeds to be ad free. Well, that's interesting because it kind of goes against what they said earlier. Sponsored segments are allowed to be uploaded to YouTube. Each upload episode needs to be marked on YouTube studio to include sponsorship see more information on the paid product placement policy. Will my ads Okay, so those ads will be burned into the video that's uploaded. If it's if it's And in St. Yeah, exactly.

30:05 Dave Jones: But you can't pump your dynamic your dai episode into into YouTube. Adam Curry: No you can't. So, Dave Jones: so YouTube says hey, we need you to upload us a clean episode that doesn't have dai in it. And there's some there's some hosts out there that are gonna say okay, Adam Curry: no they're not they're not going to be hosts to do that. No, Dave Jones: there's going to be at least a couple yeah enough about Adam Curry: enough about Lipson no other guys are going to do it. No, they'd be crazy. Yeah. What's What's the benefit? You're I mean you're literally giving your store away. Okay YouTube you go monetize and not give me anything Dave Jones: Yeah, but they're gonna give you stats we we get the money we get the monetization money. Yeah, Adam Curry: we get some pretty graphs. Oh, look, I have five listeners in Israel. Oh Dave Jones: no, this is a joke. Well, anyway, it's a joke.

31:04 Adam Curry: It is it's the RSS is not going away. RSS is not going to be hijacked. The only thing that can be hijacked is certainly some podcasters who will come it'll be very sad. And getting all kinds of I guess there are going to be one or two hosts who will do this. All right. Well, fine. I'm just telling this is your business. Yeah, I'm getting I'm getting now I'm getting deep throat to the Deep Throat. This is a deep, deep throat episode. Oh, maybe that is what I need to say Deep Throat inception. Sounds bad as a title. I don't know why Dave Jones: it does. Yes. I mean, let me go one step further. Sure. The you know, I don't know if you've been sort of kind of keeping track of this phenomena in the in the podcasting industry. But there's this leak. Let me just read this from what is this? This is the Bloomberg lady. I forgot what she calls this. Says Ashley Carr. Ashley Carmen is a this is. This this paragraph stuck out to me. While these two companies were snapped up other buyers are circling and looking for possible investments. Chris Peterson, a former iHeartMedia and liontree executive just announced the launch of download without the without the first row. So it's DW en la de Grenier download download dunlea during those Dutch is there

32:35 Adam Curry: during loon Yeah, that's it. So that is a download.com. Dave Jones: Don't lose no doubt on about the.com but didn't lose media. Adam Curry: Doing lewd means doing a new.com Maybe for sale? Might be doing lewd media. Wow, this is really a great name everybody. Dave Jones: It went from Dutch to more of like Swedish Chef manner. Adam Curry: Okay, let's do nude. Dave Jones: just announced the launch of duneland media, which intends to take majority stakes in podcast companies. Meanwhile, Pata X group, a private equity backed firm has made multiple acquisitions the world around the world since setting out to roll up independent podcast production shops. So Adam Curry: I know exactly what this is. I know exactly what this is. This is very, very simple. And I think these guys are going to lose.

33:26 Dave Jones: These companies are going these are going to be the record labels. Adam Curry: Yes, exactly. Their hits hit seekers. What they do is they saw the Joe Rogan money they saw the call me daddy money. They saw you know, whatever, whatever, you know, pod save America. Sports ring, the bell, all these different things. And like, look, we can spend you know why how I know this, because I tried to do it myself. I had this idea for several years ago. And I looked at it and I and I explained that to investors in Europe. And they were like, maybe I'm not sure I'm like, Okay, I'm not that interested in it. But for sure.

34:08 All you need to do is you take depending on how many podcasts you quote, unquote, buy, which you don't, they only have investments in them. So they give people a little bit of money. And honestly, I had this idea and I had a group of people and then I pulled out of it. And then you just wait for one hit. All you need is one 50 $60 million hit and your money's back and you had a great run. Dave Jones: You're you they're not these groups are not going to they're not going to afford the Rogan's they're gonna afford the top 3% of podcasting. They're going to try to wrap up. They're going to try to wrap up the next level down. Yeah, that's exactly what Adam Curry: they want. Yeah, Dave Jones: it's a it's a Blinka is an annuity for them.

34:55 Basically, she's just Propecia is they're trying to create a vet perpetual money machine based on you know, content that they don't have to spend a whole lot of money to. To produce. Yeah, Adam Curry: so they're doing load media.com Let's see 55 posts road. Okay, Connecticut. This is always fun to do. This is a fun little thing I used to do. Let's see 35 posts road West Westport, Connecticut. Office for lease There you go. It's a post office business. Now peal box yeah PO box let's see what else is there team hub flyer, serendipity labs. Okay, we this is nothing this is yeah, this is just a post office.

35:41 Dave Jones: Todd Todd Cochran said I'm not a fan of what YouTube is hijacking and we will not be providing instructions or providing it as a destination in our dashboard. Well there you go. Adam Curry: But I think even even more so this this goes along the line of you need to own your own.com Todd the minute all they all they're using RSS for in this case is just as as a free shovel. A free shovel shovel shovel your crap into their in their manure pit. That's all that it is. It really is. It's goodness. Dave Jones: I don't in there's also like, this is maybe off off to the side. But YouTube is trying to is trying to get one fun used to YouTube distasteful. In a lot of ways, I mean, like when I go on there now, the first thing I see on the homepage is these YouTube shorts that are trying to be Tik Tok.

36:41 And it's all a bunch of scantily clad women trying to get in. I mean, it's a bunch of bunch of click bait. And it's just it's, it's not, I don't know it as a it's an it's a gross environment. In a lot. I mean, there's good contents that says on YouTube, obviously, lots of there's lots of great things that only exist on YouTube. I'm not gonna deny that. But I mean, I just don't see I don't see what there's a beauty to podcasting. There's a beauty to open source podcasting. Adam Curry: Just podcasting, please. But I understand what you're saying. Yeah, open source open.

37:22 Dave Jones: Just podcast. There's a beauty to podcasting. And, and I don't I don't like associating it with with that garbage. I mean, it's if TOS with tick tock wanted to do the same thing. If tick tock said, Oh, well, what if they did the exact same thing? And said, Okay, we're gonna start ingesting RSS feeds, but we're not gonna we're not gonna give you any pass throughs or I'm gonna do anything. We're just going to ingest your stuff and do our own systems, and we're gonna start pushing it back out to our audience. Well, okay, great. But I mean, do you actually want do you want your content? Do we want this this unique, distinct content that is podcasts being interleaved into a tick tock thread, next to people doing the NyQuil chicken challenge? I don't grow gross.

38:20 Okay, so Adam Curry: first of all, Words matter. This is of the podcast industrial complex is own doing by questioning what a podcast is. This is the result. So by giving into well, yeah, podcast on YouTube is also a podcast it just wherever you'd like the wherever you get the show. Okay, I'm gonna say it. I love the man. I'm so happy that he allows me on his show. The Joe Rogan show is not a podcast. Alright, it's not a podcast. The Joe Rogan show is not a podcast. The media landscape is changing. And so what I hear Okay, so here's another thing. Jason Calacanis.

39:05 Twitter's gonna be the best, the best platform for podcasts. I'm making fun of him because I can and and he can make fun of me. But, yeah, so and then what is the first thing that's the Oh, yeah, you should use Twitter spaces. Okay, great. But let me tell you how the Tucker Carlson deal is going down as a podcast on Twitter. He is going to pay Twitter not the other way around. Make no mistake. This this is this is not going to be the $20 million a year from Elon to Tucker Carlson know, those of you who have figured out how to podcast and make a living out of it, whether you're whether you're selling your own ads, whether you have ads, whether it's value for value, whether it's a part of your business, whether you sell books, and you have your community. We don't he'd Rancors, which I'm now just going to call bankers, because Because James made the joke, but didn't complete it. So I'll just hit. So we don't need rankers of who's on top, it does not matter. It's the business of being number one in the ratings does not matter. This group, this podcast, this project survives on a very small number of participants, and an even smaller number of people who are supporting it with monetary value. Now, the full value for value is enormous time, talent or treasure, of course. But this is the future of media, get it out of your head that you need

40:37 to be number one or on the front kind of the front of iTunes or YouTube to hot algo. Get it out of your head, that is not a longevity plan anymore. And, and you will you everyone has to pay for their distribution. Now. If you're not paying for distribution, you're being screwed. Seriously, Dave Jones: explain this. Explain what you mean by paying for distribution, because I understand I understand it, but I don't know how to explain it. Adam Curry: The ad base model does not work with podcast. It just doesn't stop saying we're young medium. We're not. We're 20 or 20 years old. It's it's there is no met, you can't fake the numbers like Nielsen's there's no agreed to system, which is now falling apart. You're seeing that the only reason why Fox News is still in business is because of the carriage fees. The advertising that Tucker Carlson brought in doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. 70 million a year and hunt maybe 100 million a year doesn't matter. It's the $1.8 billion they get from the cable companies, Fox News pays their cost for their content. But the cable companies are paying exorbitant amounts of money which you the customer are paying for. To for the privilege to have Fox News on $7 of your cable bill goes to you know what that goes to Disney ESPN. That's

42:12 just ESPN, it is Disney, of course. But ESPN. So then everyone had this great idea all let's just let's just split it all up. Let's just do streaming. I don't know if you notice, but that's not a big success. It's losing money lose billions of dollars for everybody hand over foot, they've cannibalize their movie business, the whole thing is falling apart. And here's little old podcasting. Which of the 4 million podcasts in the index, a very small amount is working on a profitable monetary basis. A lot of it is very a lot of these podcasts are very profitable to aid for in other ways, reaching constituents, reaching readers reaching different types of communities.

42:57 But to think that there's a broadcast model and for everybody is just as stupid as everybody who thought they could be Andrew Sullivan and make a million dollars a year from their blog substack it's not a winning business, they had to go crowdfund their next round of funding. The it's a lie, it's all a lie, and YouTube is in huge trouble. Huge trouble. Advertisers are now running to tic toc for a whole bunch of reasons we've we've been over. None of this is a winning strategy. If you if you want to have a successful podcast, or whatever you're using it for, then own your audience, own your distribution, pay for a hosting pay for your hosting company.

43:41 And if you're not the hosting company owns you. Anchor how many sad stories do we hear of people? Oh, well, no anchor is not working for me. I can't get a 301 redirect, they deleted everything blah, blah, blah. If you don't own it, you're screwed. And hold your own.com Yes, in de Sankar. Yes, indeed. Do not give this stuff away. So I'm not worried about podcasting. I'm not worried about the future of RSS at all. I'm worried for all the sad sob so we're gonna get screwed. We've seen this movie. We've seen it. The podcasting was born out of frustration for the traditional broadcast model now that is falling apart. Now they're getting desperate do not run into their arms.

44:28 Dave Jones: Everybody got mad at a cast for taking email addresses out of feeds and trying to trying to grab their like, solicit their customers. And the what do you think YouTube's gonna do? I mean, this is even worse. This is way worse. Now you're giving them now you're actually giving them all of your this would be as if this would be as if a cast became instead of just soliciting customers they became a proxy be between you and your customer. And but don't worry about it we're not we're not going to charge anything. Oh don't don't worry about this is all free. It's great. I mean, like they everybody gets so mad at a cast, but then they're going to jump on board with YouTube. And it's going to end the end the the end result is going to be way worse Adam Curry: for the love of money is the root of all evil.

45:21 This is exactly the it's only about money because people believe they can be the next Joe Rogan. You can't it's over. It's done with it's not gonna happen. The CEO himself says it. Thank you. I love it when someone accentuates my point with a boost it it's over, it's just over, just admitted it's not gonna happen. You know, the luck. The luck of that. We built a business here. We're not paying ourselves anything but we built a real business. We can see it. You can build a real business with podcasting. Now why do I like podcasting 2.0 because people see immediate value return. And that's something you can build on it. We've been doing this for three years and we do other things with the money. Could we give ourselves a little bit of cash, I guess we could, but we prefer not to we prefer to put it into liquidity for nodes and put it into progress and buying a new database or getting a new an upgraded database server. Anything we can do to make this work because this is fun. This is not a job. This is work that we love doing. It's a community we're friends. They have all of this is available to you. And when you start a podcast today and you use it with podcasting 2.0 And you see Satoshis and booster grams come in, it's invigorating. It's not like it used to be and there's still people who start on on on a cast. And they Oh, okay, I'm podcasting and they get some stats and there's five five downloads and they don't know what if it's real, or they have no feedback. They have no hand

46:55 holding no training, no hosting company that has training materials and podcasts that tell you about the latest things and how you can how you can have more success with your podcast but that feedback loop is missing. This is what's so cool about it and it's the same thing with music this is why I'm so jacked about the time based value splits What am I hearing from now that we have four of the top what is the song that is in the top five on wavelength I don't like this I have nothing against the wavelength Dave Jones: way you believe is this way yeah Adam Curry: way you believe it says Dave Jones: demo demo version Adam Curry: and I don't know I just it just never really struck for me but we have Number one of course money printed Gerber money printing money printing money printer Gerber we got Matt Bigelow with fudge even though we played only a little bit of his song we got high gravity Joe Martin and rusty gate girl like me, you know, so, I mean, that's phenomenal. And what are they all say? You know, I never hit the payout limit from from Spotify. All I got was stupid stats. Stupid stats. Okay, so now where they get maybe 100 bucks, right 300 300,000 SATs 100 100 bucks plus Dave Jones: well money money printer gibberish show and 524,000 sets.

48:24 Adam Curry: So what is that now? That's 200 books. Dave Jones: Let's see. I don't see Adam Curry: any say 580 180,000 $180 Something like that. Dave Jones: I guarantee you extends cents per 1000 says I can't Adam Curry: calculate I think in SATs I don't I don't care about dollars. Yeah, but it's like that. That is real love now doesn't mean he's gonna get rich. No, those days are over. Will you maybe be able to make a career out of it? Yeah, maybe. Maybe. This is what's so cool about it. It gives you incentive shows value. You play back to it you thank people it's not a one way street. This has always been the dream of radio always. So we play a song Dave Dave Jones: would love to play us I'd love to play a song. I would love for you to play us I Adam Curry: would love to play a song. So this is using the value time splits now from what I understand it's still curio caster that has the pod friend rod, who has it. I heard Martin by the way and outstanding pod news weekly review episode with it was a two and a half hour show.

49:29 Dave Jones: That was a lead I mean, there's like horning in on our turf. Adam Curry: It was great that Martin had Oscar from fountain who else was on was that it was our third Dave Jones: Captivate Marcus was right. Yep, yeah. And that was a good interview too. I mean, they they are really jumping on board with 2.0 Adam Curry: For sure. Although whenever I hear someone doing tips, I always get a little whatever for So I'm already getting inundated now with requests to play songs. Of course you do. Yes. And guess what I'm doing. I'm sending everybody to wave Lake. Should I be sending him to dystopias?

50:13 Well, I'm not sure who who are we trying to help here? Dave Jones: Well, this dystopia doesn't have the system to go in and boost it on on this. I mean, like, you can't, it's a different thing to cinema, buddy to WaveLight versus dystopia. Because dystopia is a host in Wave Lake is is more of like a platform for for value for value based music. So, I mean, I think if you're sending them to dystopia they can be sent to they need to go to like, our site or something. Adam Curry: Well, I say, music side project studio. Yeah. Which is a little, a little more that's for self hosting, really, but it's, you know, there's stuff there. Dave explains how to do it. I don't understand wave lake. I love those guys. We had him on the show. They don't have a, there's no music player.

51:04 They're still not self. They're automatically submitting to the index. I don't understand why. So is that what we're waiting for? You know, just wait for something to come along, waiting for a magic player to pop up? No, though we have Magic players. Dave Jones: Well, they're not they're not automatic submission. No, they are. But they're leaving that in the hands of their musicians and their musicians are putting Yes, and their music into the index when they when they want to. Adam Curry: But I don't understand why there's no music player. And they did their own kind of music player, which was, I don't know Dave Jones: why they don't write their own app, or have somebody work our guest app.

51:48 Adam Curry: So to me, it doesn't matter because I think this is the winning formula. I want podcasts to start playing music in their podcasts and switching the value block to the to the artist. Right now sovereign feeds is the only way to do that that I'm aware of. I would love to have more podcast apps able to receive it and switch the switch the wallet so yes, curio caster pod friend. I don't know if if there any plans for fountain and for pod verse etc. But I really only need one more besides curio cash. And I want to wait until pod friend has its apps out in the app store. And then I'm going to start doing a music show. And you'll see how fast this goes. You'll see you would have Dave Jones: to think that fountain would be the next shoe to drop on them because that's the I mean that's Oscars Mo is V for V I mean that's a V for V focused app so you would have to think that that's going to be in his roadmap soon now probably.

52:52 Adam Curry: Yeah. So if you're if you want now if you want to see part of the cool live tests that we've been doing, then you want to switch to curio caster right now so you can see the artwork change and everything which Bill just blows me away. You can actually be listening, listening live and then the minute we play the song The artwork changes the wallet changes the artwork changes it's just mind boggling. This guy reached out to me he's a friend of Joe Martin he said hey man, play my music. Dave Jones: And you said done Cory Keller Unknown: making you a pass for this loan job again. Searching for something to pass the time as you keep chopping these nails in my head 35 in South Dallas you will place the funds nice so.

54:37 Ces nothing just say To keep counting as this old highway just can carry keep pushing myself to be the peace will see you next Adam Curry: time Cory Keller wallets switching away on

56:32 podcasting 2.0 It's so hard to feel alive. Now Did anyone try that in pod friend? Do we have any ideas that worked? Dave Jones: Who I don't know Martin's in the chat but I would hope Martin is live testing this Adam Curry: yeah that's why i That's why I Dave Jones: chose on curio caster out there those are just switched back. Adam Curry: I know I just I literally just did it. Oh, that's so badass. Dave Jones: Oh Chad F said he did it in pod friend. Adam Curry: Okay, all right cool. Dave Jones: Did it did it work Chad did did it do its thing? I mean I'm Chad says it did judge says it don't expect no less beautiful, Adam Curry: beautiful. So Dave Jones: So read. It really isn't too. That was a great song.

57:14 Adam Curry: I you know, it's not the typical uptempo in your face Friday thing FUBAR Friday thing, but I liked it a lot. And you know, what, three minutes, you know, you give me a three minute song, I'll jam that in anywhere. You know, just think about how, think about how cool that demo is going to be at Bitcoin 2024. We show the artwork changing and everything. And then people will be doing it in the audience. There'll be live boosting in the audience. We got to have we got the booths bought up at the booth spot and the IRC chat UPS everyone can see it. Oh, yeah, man. It's gonna be cool. No one go get that from you to Dave Jones: the so. So I'm confused about something. Okay.

58:05 He this was something that. Let me see if I can scroll back and find it there. Steven V was telling Martin, about how to about how to track something with the value splits. He says, If you want to start messing around with live value splits, you'll just need to set up a WebSocket listening to the server found in the live value link? Yes. Of the podcast live item. listening for the remote value event? Yeah. Can you? Do you know what this is? Because this is all new to me. I don't know what kind of value lengthy? Yeah, Adam Curry: so in sovereign feeds, there's a little extra thing under Live Info. And it's the I don't want to switch away because I'm all synced. I don't know if it'll ruin my synchronization stuff, because he has his whole interface now for live production. So you kind of keep your your timing for the value block split, which you can later copy into your regular episode. And it creates this, like a streaming link. And that streaming link is what you listen to with the app for the change in the value in the value block and the album art. Does that make sense?

59:21 Dave Jones: Okay, so you okay, because that goes Adam Curry: through a WebSocket. Yeah, that goes through the WebSocket. And then then the app catches that and that's the that's basically like, the, like the shoutcast stream info. Dave Jones: Okay, so this can Okay. This needs to be a tag Adam Curry: that needs to be documented. Yes. Yeah. Dave Jones: Yes. This is This is Steven, this is a Steven B special where he throws in a new brand new, Adam Curry: of course. That's right. Some scissors through some new blades. Dave Jones: Yep, this is where he yeah He throws he throws a new set of blades in here and nobody knows what the heck's going on. Okay, this is this is grass see exactly where he's going with this? What what needs to happen here, though, is it would need to take this, just like so he did the same thing with chat with the chat attribute where he just threw in a chat URL.

1:00:17 Adam Curry: Yeah, exactly. And that became standard. In a min. Dave Jones: Now we've got podcast chat, which we'll be formalizing soon, which I want to talk about here in just a second in the context of pure tube. But he did that with chat that works. That's a shim until we can get the proper thing in there. So what we'll do is we'll do the same thing, we'll just do a live out live value link or will, you know, well, he hasn't a name, Adam Curry: he has been named for it. Alright, I'm gonna I'm just going to run with scissors here and switch away and see what happens. Okay. What do you do? What do you switch into? I'm switching from my production screen to my live screen. He calls it the live value link. Dave Jones: Yes, I'm looking at the feed. I'm looking at the XML, right, and I switch Adam Curry: back, it still works. Okay, great. And so Dave Jones: we will just make a tag that will allow for this to happen in its own tag that way that we don't have to have more attributes on the live item. And not that that's a problem. But when you have something like this, we're probably going to need it needs to be more expandable. The problem with attributes is they're just a one and done. You get it's a key value, you get it you get one value, right? And if you try to stuff something else in there, you have to use delimiters. So with this, we don't want to do that. So let's just make this into a tag and then we can have the full extendibility of it.

1:01:43 And then he's looks like he's got a Adam Curry: list. Yeah, okay, so I'm reason I'm not getting curio caster boosts today. I don't know why. Dave Jones: I really, I can try the hard hat Adam Curry: boosted 10101 via curio caster, I don't see that coming in. Also didn't see the 1111. I didn't see that coming in. I wonder if this Dave Jones: trouble with Albie, if he had any trouble without me lately? Adam Curry: And I don't know. I really wouldn't know if I if I'm having but this is this is kind of weird. I would have expected I would have expected to see that. Although, maybe I don't know. I don't know. It's amazing. any of this stuff works honestly. I'm always surprised. Let me see if I go to Alby. Let me take a look at booster grams. What I have in there? No, I still get no no, no, no, don't see it live maybe something in the live. It's inevitable that inevitable that Alby is going to have some issues? I mean, there's such a centralized resource at this point. I don't know. I don't know. Maybe it's, I do know that. When I boost on pod friend, I mean, pod verse.

1:03:03 Sometimes it takes a real long time for it to go. Dave Jones: Okay, like here, I got API error for net network error for L and I get lb.com. So that maybe they're just having some kind of issue there. I hate to say I hate being that guy. That's like I have been having some problems with so it's nearing, almost sounds like I'm merging them. But I'm not. I'm just we're all Adam Curry: having problems. And believe me, we're generally all just having problems with everything. Of course, that's how it goes. But it's if we can identify and help each other. That makes sense. I monitor on my own node and on a get Alby node with each with a 1% split. So that doesn't mean anything you know, it could be it could be all kinds of stuff going wrong.

1:03:46 Dave Jones: Well, okay, so I'm also I'm in the IRC chat, and I'm also in the MK Ultra chat doesn't brought that up to test as well. It's just only me and James are the only two in there. So it's really boring over here. But the this is, this is great having that live item link. Yeah, there Adam Curry: are boobers, just Buber just came through from that's pod verse. Dave Jones: Okay, so still, there's still no cure to cancer. The PA versus LBT, though, so that would work. I don't know. We'll figure it out. The bit that let the live Adam link with with live events happening during the stream. That's really cool. Because yeah, that means we can hook into MK Ultra and just drop those events right into the chat without having to write a Adam Curry: bot or wait. So say that again. So I understand that.

1:04:40 Dave Jones: Well, I mean, then you so it's play that you know that did the MK Ultra chat is playing the stream live in the page? Adam Curry: Oh, yes. Yes, yes. Yes. Okay. Yeah. Dave Jones: Now we can just hook in. Oh, yeah. Adam Curry: Yes. Dave Jones: In the chat. Something has changed, give some links, whatever and then flip back. I mean we can we can respond to the live events as Adam Curry: they come we should be able to connect your wallet to anything in the chat. Yeah. Yeah, I like it. Mm hmm. Dave Jones: This is good. I like I like what Stephen did I mean?

1:05:20 Yeah, this is good. Adam Curry: Yeah, I think there's definitely something going on somewhere because I do not have any. Okay, I got a curio caster from tone wrecker an hour ago. But, and it's possible that, you know, anything's possible. I don't know. We'll all figure it out. This is what I love about what we do here. We run with scissors, we get cut up, we get scraped, we fall down. We dust each other off and we keep going. That's exactly how it should be. I did want to mention that being the triage first line of defense for info at podcast index.org I want glyph and CSB to know what I done. I don't know if you caught this. Okay. We got I got an email from Kate nibs, senior writer from Wired. And then Kate nibs is like, hey, how many podcasts out there but artificial intelligence YT que tal de, you know, typical aihole journalist from Wired, you know, I say, you know, hey, we're donation based thing here. But, you know, we'll take a look. I did a search for artificial intelligence. And you know what, you could have done a whole and and just look at all of these answers. But I said, AI dot cooking seems to be a fan favorite.

1:06:39 Dave Jones: I didn't Adam Curry: indicate came back on. What does that mean? Dave Jones: I didn't see that. I didn't see that response. Adam Curry: Yeah, I'm like, Yeah, you know, what is going on with my dog? Dave Jones: I was much more diplomatic. I said. Looks like there's about 1627 Adam Curry: Yeah. Oh, you I didn't even I didn't see you answer that. Dave Jones: What I did was I made note of carbon. I just got to check the dog Adam Curry: for a second day for some, something's wrong. Hold on. Dave Jones: Okay. All right. Yeah, the did a search only all I knew how to do was like, artificial. I just searched for the words artificial intelligence. I mean, because if you're searching for a I mean, that's even even if you do like regular expression and did like, let's just say comeback.

1:07:30 Backslash Bai, backslash B or something like that isolate that you're still just gonna come back with so much garbage. So I figured only so I looked at titles and descriptions for artificial intelligence. And it found like six delivers 1600 Well, all I Adam Curry: was hoping is that they'd get some special attention for give some special attention to AI dot cooking. I just thought that was funny to say, oh, no, this is what everyone's talking about. Everyone's talking about. Snoop Dogg literally wanted to come in and be on the show. Oh, sweet. Yeah, Phoebe crazy done. One other thing I want to mention, then, you know, we got lots of other things to talk about. Regarding this, you know, this value time split, ie, playing music on podcast and switching the wallet. The idea is here is that we are circumventing these very old fashion institutions such as ASCAP BMI, and just routing money directly for the performance for someone received receiving this beautiful music into their ears, with streaming SATs directly from the people who are benefiting from the music. And what's so cool about this is there's such a good example in the Netherlands where ASCAP BMI, there's called Buma, stamina, Bo, Ma, slash S, T, M Ra. And for whatever reason, they take all this money in, you

1:09:02 know, from performances, so clubs, restaurants, you know, radio stations, online radio stations, and then they have some magical way of shelling that back out to everybody in the appropriate amounts. But what they also do is they, they invest that money in the meantime, and they came out on the 22nd of may and said, Well, you know, our investments didn't do so. Well. We'd lost 27 million euros. Dave Jones: Stop. Wait, yeah, I need to I need exactly. I need to understand what you just said. So what Okay, let me recap if you could permit me Yes, please. Let me recreate what I think you just said in a word picture. So you're saying that all of the royalty pay all of the money that they got in there was then going there was destined to go to Artists, it was held in whatever stock magical stocks magical escrow in the US. And so then they took that money and before they paid out, or before they were required by law to pay out whatever this interim period was between the time they got the money and the time that they gave the money out to the artists who belong to the they use this, this arbitrage time in order to invest to invest this money and get a profit, correct?

1:10:31 Interval. Correct. But oh, they lost money. So let me let me let me go ahead and guess what the outcome was. They still paid all the money to the to the artists that they were supposed to get, and they themselves took a hit. Adam Curry: I don't think that's what happened day. Dave Jones: Stein. This is not what happened. Yeah. Well, Adam Curry: there's obviously a lot of members of said organizations who are saying, Excuse me, why are we investing anything? Why don't you just give us our money? Right? Yes, so lawsuits abound. This is, but that's, I'm pretty sure I don't let's find out. We can consult the book of knowledge. ASCAP, BMI, invest when we see investments, I wonder if they if they do the same thing?

1:11:25 I don't see anything off the bat. But I'll I'll bet you 100 Satoshis they do the same thing. Dave Jones: Oh, if we're gonna have money seeking, if you're gonna have money sitting in an account for six months or more, of course, some bean counter somewhere is gonna say, Hey, I got an idea. This is this will be great. Adam Curry: Does this article be am I changing to for printing this? These are supposed to be nonprofit? Changing? Oh, yeah. for profit business model. This is from 2022. We realized that we needed to make certain changes to the organization or to be even more competitive in the future. Okay, well, guess what, you're gonna get competitive out by us. This is so the way to go. I mean, it's, it's interesting. My friends have a band called Mercy Me. And they had a really big hit about 20 years ago, but they've consistently had platinum albums. And so I'm telling you about telling him about this is not in a group text message. I'm telling him about this, about the system we built. He said, Wow, this is really cool. Did you work with management and raw and performing rights organizations? I said, bro, no. See? Yeah, it goes directly from the listener. to the, to the band to the artists to the

1:12:55 writer, the composer. They're blown away. They're having band meetings right now. Like how do we get in on this? Or at least do one song they might do one song that they just put out, put out value for value. Dave Jones: Have they ever won a Dove Award? Adam Curry: A dove? What's a Dove Award? Dave Jones: That's the Christian music version of the country. Oh, I'm Adam Curry: sure that well right now they're they're now they're at the K love that the K love event in Nashville which is huge. What is Kayla was a radio station. And they have they have a once a year. That's like they have five concerts going at the same time and vicious you know, it's mayhem.

1:13:36 Dave Jones: It was Did your pitch to them say go give me a song this royalty free or this rights free and I will and we will play it on podcast and 2.0 and you'll get 300,000 sets. Adam Curry: That's exactly my pitch. That's exactly what you could get $100 I see I sent him a link I said you see this money printer go burn you could be there Dave Jones: What the hell is this? Adam Curry: Now they're into it, man. They're into stuff like this. They're totally into it. They love it. Yeah, we'll see. But you know I've got all kinds of people excited about this. We just need we just need a couple more apps. That's all Sam wave Lake. Will not be Sam from wave Lake.

1:14:19 Dave Jones: What do you mean Sam? Wave lake. Adam Curry: I got it. We just got a boost from Sam waitlist. Yeah, Dave Jones: it has to be I mean, with a name like that. It's got to be sent from wavelength 50,000. Adam Curry: saps from Sam wave Lake says gotta love the music bass. Thank you, Sam. Fantastic. All right. Now we got to talk about lots of other things. Oh, man, here's something I love and this is this was it was really nice to have that long. Pod news. We can review episode. So two things one, I love I'm not sure how they do it. But the fountain transcripts at some kind of sorcery way You were you request a transcript and it shows up in 30 seconds. I need to know what's doing this. I do not understand who's doing it. How does that happen in 30 seconds when I, when I literally pay a company, I think $30 a month to wait hours for a transcript?

1:15:17 Dave Jones: What I don't know about this? Okay, so news to me. Adam Curry: So, fountain, and Martin is considering doing the same thing. So I just want to know what the back end is. I think it's a good idea. Now in Fountain if you if you want a transcript, and if the podcast you're listening to has a transcript, you get the transcript. If it doesn't have a transcript, you can pay. I think it was 3000 SATs to get a transcript very fair deal, or is this very fair? Yes. Or if you're a premium operator, which I am, you get it built into your premium into your premium thing. And yeah, so but I love seeing Tina, because she got the upgrade. And you know that she would blow first you on? What happened? Where's all my stuff?

1:16:07 You know, this always happens, right was an upgrade, you upgrade the app? And then where's Moses? I guess it takes a second for the library to come in. Boom, she's like, Oh, everything's here. And I said, I said, you know, you should use this transcript on your Megyn Kelly podcast, which she she likes Megyn. Kelly. She says, why? I said, Well, you're always telling me about the stuff that was on Megyn. Kelly, and then you're having trouble locating it. Whereas if you get a transcript, you can search for a word, and then it goes right to that part in the in the podcast. And well, I incorrectly said and then you can, you can clip it and send the clip to your friends from it. That doesn't quite work the way as expected in in Fountain. Yep. But so she was not a premium user. And she got the 3000 Sapt request. And and she said well, 3000 SATs.

1:17:00 Alright, well, this is literally, this is literally not even a buck. Come on. Let's stop with me now just do this. But then, but actually, she upgraded to a premium right on the spot, which was very handy through through Apple, because she has an iPhone, you just put your thumb on the sensor, boom, Apple pay whatever it worked. She loves it now. Now, it would be even better if you could indeed easily clip directly from that spot. Maybe we weren't doing it right. It wasn't apparent. But the idea of paying for a transcript that you can then use, I thought was genius. And Dave Jones: just did it while you were talking. And it. It took like 15 seconds to give an entire transcript of this episode with Scott Horton show, which is like an hour long.

1:17:45 Adam Curry: How does that work? What Mojo is this? Dave Jones: I don't know. Adam Curry: But I liked the concept. Now the next thing is how do we turn that in? Oh, wow. Oh, Amber Alert. Amber, Alert, alert. Amber Alert. How do we turn that into an even bigger benefit for everybody? I'm not sure. I mean, maybe I don't know. I'd love to buy them. I'll pay $1 A transcript every single day. Especially if it's done in 15 to 30 seconds. That was totally insane. Dave Jones: I don't understand how this can be so fast. Adam Curry: It mean, the only thing I can think is they're already doing it in the background or something. I mean, it's I don't get it.

1:18:31 Dave Jones: Do you use? Do you think that they're alive allowed? Do you think that they're doing it once? And then they've got it cash? Possibly possibly, then it still would take more it still didn't, then it would have taken less than 15 seconds. Adam Curry: Anyway, I love the idea of paying for. I love the idea of paying for features like that. And as a podcaster. If someone is kind enough to pay for that. Can I then give it to everybody else and split the difference? Dave Jones: Yes, that's what Nathan gee, that's what Nathan gathright was saying in the text is that in the chat was like, Could this be posted back? Because what Okay, so I mean, there's a but I've got a bunch of stuff on the to do list.

1:19:22 Adam Curry: I mean, I understand if you want. If you want multiple people to buy the Megyn Kelly transcript, I understand the business model. I'm not going to fight you on it. But it would be kind of cool. If some it let's say 10 People buy it, then then you make it available handed back somehow. Just that would be cool. That would be cool. Well, one Dave Jones: of the things that he was wanting for steno is this way to post the post back and I don't want to use the word Adam Curry: Nathan. Nathan G is saying when one person pays for it, everyone else and fountain gets it. Dave Jones: Really Is that for real is that? Adam Curry: I don't know. Well, okay, hold on. What did you just buy the transcript of?

1:20:03 Dave Jones: I just did well, I'm a premium fountain. So I already got it so Adam Curry: bright, but I'm premium too. So it should be there. Okay, so Dave Jones: I did the Scott Horton show, from 518 23. Ted Snyder on the dangerous trajectory of the war in Ukraine. From May 22. Adam Curry: podcast, I'm gonna get Scott Horton show. And I hate Dave Jones: from at att, Adam Curry: I gotta make a change right here. And transcript already available. Dave Jones: Damn. Wow. So that's it. So if one for whatever, whatever it gets in, Adam Curry: I mean, I would even I would, man. Okay, well, how come I wasn't in this meeting? I want to be in this meeting with this cool stuff happens.

1:20:53 Dave Jones: You know why you weren't in the meeting? Because you're not an advisor. Adam Curry: I'm not a paid advisor. I'm not any kind of advisor. Dave Jones: So you so here's what here's what Nathan wanted for steno he wanted. He said, Okay, well, if there's a transcript, if, if there's a podcaster, who has transcripts for their show, then, but their host doesn't support the transcript tag. Could they put the trend a link to the transcripts somewhere else like in the show notes? And then once an app registers it, can they link back? Can they say, an app that's, let's just say got good standing, like steno or pod friend or something like that? Well, here's, here's okay. Then give that back to the index and the index, you know, grab it and say, Okay, here's here's a transcript for this for this show.

1:21:53 Adam Curry: Well, I what I wouldn't want is I wouldn't want, you know, one app to be supporting everybody else. And everybody else just kind of getting a free ride. I mean, there's all kinds of you know what, it's not even up for us to decide. I need to hear from, from Martin and from Oscar and these guys need to explain what they're doing and what their ideas what their thoughts are. And had, does this have anything to do with those guys that we talked to? Dave Jones: The music match? Adam Curry: Yeah, musics match? Because I didn't hear any of this stuff? I don't think so. No, because they had a whole different idea. They wanted to come from them. I mean, maybe this is coming. I don't know where it's coming from. It's magic. Dave Jones: Well, I need to, I mean, I'm fine with building this. I mean, if there's a if there is a so the thing here would be the podcaster themselves, makes this thing available. Okay, so let me walk you through this. The podcaster that, let's say this podcaster is on Anchor, but they do want to provide transcripts, anchor doesn't support transcripts. So they put some sort of structured link into their show notes with an A with a transcript tag that links out to otter or whatever that is, so that you are that that podcaster, it's in their feed, so we know that it's them that did it. And so we can get that the app, I'm just going to use dyno as an example. This dyno app can get it that URL, and then post it post it back.

1:23:30 Or if we had it even really, even if we had it structured in a certain way the the index could extract it out of shadows for I Adam Curry: don't know, man, I mean, there's that shimmy all over the place. Dave Jones: But it's not so it's not, it's not super shimmy. Adam Curry: Right? Well, then what then why don't we actually, uh, why don't we accept all tags in the show notes, we might as well then, which kind Dave Jones: of it is that this is not for this is for this would be for podcasters that want to play ball. But for some reason, I just I'd rather than Adam Curry: go I'd rather they go to a host that supports it to be honest. They put the work in, they've put the energy in, they put the time and they put the money in. If you're on by the way, if you're an anchor, from what I understand, you're not even gonna get automatically accepted to the index anymore, which I think is not a bad thing, which is not a bad thing.

1:24:25 Dave Jones: That's a topic we need to discuss. Let's discuss shall we? So that the problem here is that one out of 10 anchor podcast is is anything close to being what we would consider a podcast. So if we define I don't want to this is not when I say what is a podcast, I'm not talking about RSS. I'm saying if you think about if you think about what is a what is a A legitimate podcast, in the sense of when you go looking for a podcast to listen to, what would any rational human being discern would be in that category. So it is, if there's a, let's just say that there's this circle with a whole bunch of, of qualities in it that encompass what a podcast would be. And then all these 5 million items coming out of anchor, how many of those qualify to be in that circle? So if if it's a, you know, we've talked about this many times, if it's a six minute ramble from somebody, you know, from

1:25:55 somebody talking about something that happened to them at the grocery store, four years ago, and that's, that's, that's a podcast, on Anchor, that's not a podcast. I mean, nobody cares. Nobody is more than just nobody cares. It's nobody in the history from now until the end of time. No human being will ever listen to that piece of audio content. I mean, like, I don't know, Adam Curry: I don't know, very, very poor example. I would I understand what you're saying. But let's just say it's the I got the AP test, test, test, podcast test. That's basically what you're talking about.

1:26:42 Dave Jones: But it is what I'm talking about. But I guess when I'm trying, I was trying to be a little more flexible than that. Because there are. That's probably that's a certain small percentage of them. But we got Adam Curry: to be really careful. Dave Jones: I mean, I know, I know. Adam Curry: Because you get into what you think is not a podcast, or no one will listen to. I mean, what if I decide to upload a speech I did 15 years ago? And you say, well, that's not a podcast. I mean, I don't think that's fair. I understand what you want. Because one out of 10 is just a test. It's not it's nothing and nothing follows up, right. Let's be honest, you want to punish Spotify, I'm with you on that. I hate those guys.

1:27:33 Dave Jones: That is not true. Okay, let me try to give me try to expand this example a little bit. Let's say let's do a thought experiment here and say that. Okay, every iPhone has a voice recorder app on it. That is easy. You can you can record things at the touch of a button. Let's say that tomorrow, Apple announced that at any that in any moment, you could when you use the voice recorder app, you could also tap a button right there in the user interface and create a podcast feed for that.

1:28:18 Instantly, you would have hundreds of millions of podcasts maybe. And what I'm saying is if the only criteria that we use to say that this is a this is a podcast, is that it is audio inside of an RSS feed that is not sustainable for the for any sort of index. Because we live, nobody can handle aggregating 100 million podcasts.

1:28:59 Adam Curry: Okay, well, now you're mixing up a whole bunch of things. A podcast doesn't have to be audio, it can be video, it can be all kinds of different things. I like the idea of and first of all, I don't think we have a problem with an overload of 100 million Dave Jones: anchors, Paleo thought experiments, purely exotics. Adam Curry: I'm thinking too and I'm thinking that's not happening. When I understand you're, you're frustrated, but the frustration is with is with the cleanup of the database of garbage of junk. But what is you know, one man's junk is another man's beauty. So we just have to be very very careful with making judgment calls. If a if I had on my graphene OS a way to make a podcast out of a voice recorder. I might actually make a podcast of my voice recordings. Now, just because you don't consider that to be a show. Doesn't mean that it's invalid.

1:29:58 Dave Jones: No, no. You You that's that's where we're not tracking together. What I'm not saying that voice recordings off the iPhone are all invalid as podcasts. What I'm saying is, the signal to noise ratio is going to be so high. Sure, it's no longer it's no longer sufficient to just say if it's audio in an RSS feed, it is a podcast and it needs to be indexed. So like, just because the RSS feed exists, doesn't, let's say, if, if we don't in just because we don't index, it doesn't mean that it got deleted. But what it can still exist, it still exists on the internet.

1:30:45 Adam Curry: Yes. Understood. Okay, so not your mate. Okay, you're making calls about what should be in the podcast index? What problem are you trying to solve at this moment? Or is this a future thing? If if Apple Apple would ever do that? Or is this? Is there a specific problem you can point to? Right now that you want to solve? Dave Jones: Yeah, that's a good, that's a good way to ask. That's a good way to get me to clarify what I'm thinking thank you that. Okay, so let's call this the anchor, the anchor problem, because the problem, like I said, though, like I started off that the problem with anchor feeds is that it's a 10 to one ratio of feeds that, and I'm gonna say this, again, because this is the only way I know how to describe it is a 10 to one ratio, there's 10 feeds for every one feed that that will have some sort of audience, meaning people looking for it, that would then need to be indexed. There's another 10 feeds coming out of anchor that are dead. That is something nobody will ever listen to in the history of it from now to eternity go ha, Adam Curry: ha, that's a big call you're making, because and what from? What I recall, is we had a set of parameters which

1:32:18 are published, this is what we're going to call out of the index. And it was has to have X X number of items of X number of something. I'm sure you have it codified somewhere. And that that gets called out of the index, what I hear you saying is you don't want to even have it come in in the first place. Dave Jones: Maybe that's what I'm trying to talk out. That's why we're having this conversation, because I'm not sure. So you have John John Spurlock's sort of idea is and this is you laid out his thinking as well, where he says, Okay, well just have your criteria, ingest everything, then call out the stuff that doesn't meet the criteria over time, which is what I thought we were doing with anchor that is exact Yeah. And that's, that's how we've been handling it. But here's what here's the reason that I'm bringing this up. I get the weekly stats dump every week. In it show one of the things that when the database gets dumped out for public download one of the things it does is it goes through and tallies up all the podcasts the numbers that go along with each hosting company and I put a lot of work into making that number accurate. So I get a report on every Saturday night this that shows each host and how many podcasts they have in the index anchor but since we started doing the purging based on

1:33:50 criteria and that is at least you got to have at least three episodes and he had to have at least one episode greater than five minutes so that it's pretty pretty loose or or you have to have an iTunes ID you have to have submitted so if if one of those if none of those three criteria are met and you are a free podcast host meaning anchor Spreaker other books you get purged so since we implemented that anchor has not the number of active anchor fees the index has not gone above 1.7 million okay that's good it's been almost virtually stuck at that number since which tail end which end but they claim Adam Curry: they Ah Here we guys. Ah, here we go. Okay, okay. Let's stop there for Dave Jones: a second. That tells me that three point something million of those podcasts in anchor don't meet that criteria.

1:34:51 Adam Curry: Got it. Stop. Okay. There's no auto ingest system from anchor Correct. Dave Jones: Four part test index. Yeah. Adam Curry: So these are either submitted by people they've manually submitted, or it's been submitted through either Swedish trickler or some other mechanism. There's a couple of different ways we get stuff. So where, where are the anchor feeds coming from? Dave Jones: They're coming, that's the sweetest trickler. In this way, Strickler submits anchor feeds based on that the known algorithm for how anchor, so does its URLs. So it's basically an auto ingestion.

1:35:33 Adam Curry: Maybe that's what we should stop. Just stop auto ingestion of anchor feeds, if you want to be if you want to be in the index, you can go to podcast index.org and click on Add. Dave Jones: That's, that's what I was wondering if we should do. Yes, that's what I was trying to figure out. Adam Curry: Okay, well, how about this Swedish trickler. Now, I have no problem with the Swedish tricolor making his own decisions, what he feels should be is is appropriate for the index. But if he's submitting a bunch of junk, which and I don't mean that in a bad way, I mean, he's just got scripts go on, and he's doing his thing, which is great. But maybe he should consider not polluting the index, because this stuff just gets taken to that's just a waste of cycle. We just need to sync up with him. And, and I'm hearing a little bit of a of something else, which I understand. You're thinking, look at these dickheads claiming they got 5 million podcast, but they're lying is bullcrap. It's just it's, it's, it's dirt, it's, it's muck, it's mud. So you are in a way kind of mad about I'm mad about that, too. But I don't want us to become some kind of gatekeeper based upon some criteria that, you know, well, just because it's something no one we think no one will ever listen to. It's not valid. That just puts us in a weird position.

1:36:56 Dave Jones: Yeah. Now still, yeah. I feel you on that. And I understand that I'm getting into icky territory here. And, you know, people are yelling at, you know, yelling in the chat room about about censorship and not a good fit. Adam Curry: But we're just, we're just talking here. People were not simmer down. Donna Summer in the chat room. This this, this is the beauty of this project is we're just talking through something here. We're not, we're not trying to do anything. Dave Jones: And I'm, I'm totally sensitive to that idea that this is these this is our censorship starts. Now, I fully understand that. But there is I guess, they're realistic limits. If we had a sugar daddy, that dropped, you know, the drop $10 million on this, and we didn't have to worry about money anymore. May not fire up under fire up sorcerers who would be going at this thing hard. And I wouldn't I would never care about how many feeds are in there, of course, but we have real, real realistic constraints. And so we're really having Adam Curry: Okay, I'm sorry, what we're really talking about submission. So the issue here is, and I'm just telling you what I feel okay, because you're my brother here. We have your I heard the Spotify CEO in his little studio there with his shield boys. I watched the whole interview. Well, we have 5 million podcasts he and you know, so we have 4 million, but

1:38:27 they're very well curated. And when I say curated, that means you know, we have published criteria, and all the junk that is literally Spotify junk. That's their problem. Now, I can't speak for the other free podcast hosts, if it's all junk, what comes out of them as well. But I think we need to make clear that we do not automatically ingest from free podcast host because there's a 10 to one ratio of serious stuff. If you're serious, here's an easy way for you to submit it into the index. And people ask us all the time to submit this.

1:39:07 And sometimes it didn't even search to see if they're in there. But and there's and you can add your podcast yourself by going to podcast index.org. And I think it's more of a policy is like, Hey, do we see something from anchor? It's not an automatic ingest, you need to come in and do it yourself. And so we may have a lower count, we may not have everything. But I would say we could even look if if if someone's on pod friend, and they're searching for a podcast and it doesn't show up. I mean, that to me is the signal, right? That's a signal that says, oh, we should have this. Why don't we have this?

1:39:49 You know, there's maybe something we can do working with the apps. I mean, because that's the only use case I can see where it's a problem that we didn't ingest something because we Uh, because we just didn't want it and thought, you know, we said this is no good, but someone wanted it something that has some signal has to go off and that I don't think it's just us. I think it's a collaborative effort, that we identify things that are not in the index. And, and we make sure that, you know, that that gets flagged and gets taken care of immediately, if not automatically, if possible. Dave Jones: Yeah. I don't want to do anything right now, I want to let this bake. And I want to let people have an opinion, you know, form opinions on it and continue to talk about it a little bit. I don't see any reason to make any sort of changes right now. Because we're gonna have to do this database upgrade anyway. Yeah. And that's, that's a no brainer. But we're eliminating going Adam Curry: back to what you just said, if if we had a we had a Daddy Warbucks uncle, who said, you know, what, just suck it all in suck in all that 5 million pieces of junk?

1:40:57 Dave Jones: Oh, if we had that, that would be super creepy. You Adam Curry: know, I mean, would you be able to would you mean, would that be satisfactory to you? Because we would have that we would be able to ingest all the junk, because we'd have the money to have the servers? Don't you still run into just a general junk problem? Whether you whether you have the servers to handle it or not? Dave Jones: Yeah, for sure. Yeah. I mean, it's everything becomes more difficult. When you have the higher the volume, the volume goes up, everything gets everything gets slower, Adam Curry: what I prefer, so I don't think Spotify or anchor auto submit to Apple anymore, does it? I don't think that I think they I think Apple turned that off. I'm not sure. But I think so. I honestly Dave Jones: don't know, I have a Spotify for podcasts account. So I can, you know, test with it and that kind of thing. And I really, sometimes it's very confusing exactly what that interaction is. I don't think it's automatic. But I also don't really fully understand how it's happening, either. I don't know that I would I really wish I could answer that question.

1:42:07 Adam Curry: Because you know, from what I mean, look, Apple just shouldn't just allow anything to be put in. I mean, somehow, this show magically appeared there completely illegally. We haven't made a big deal out of it. But lawsuits are coming. But you kind of have to have an Apple account. That's been that's been one of the biggest issues for me is that's the that was the on ramp to podcasting. So I don't want to be too much of an apple, like unwrap the podcast, but I'd much more preferred to say, Oh, you go with anchor? Well, you're in a big cesspool. And maybe you can find that on Spotify. But you don't get automatically added to the index, go ahead and be with those guys. Or go to one of 15 other hosts who are professional, then either use pod ping to save the world from global warming. Or have you know, or our trusted partners, because they've been working with us and Oh, guess what, they actually support the whole project. So they don't want to ruin it either. And I think it's actually an opportunity to show people that Spotify is not the way and anchor is not the way Dave Jones: you know, I've been having this really weird thought lately. If you look at what's going on right now, Spotify is the biggest moves Spotify is making they have changed Stratasys the money dried up, they have they have become begun to morph. They are they are no longer doing a rapid rate of

1:43:38 exclusive deals. No, of course starting to pour a lot of money into megaphone and they're open, not open their. Their their RSS based solution. Adam Curry: Yeah, this is all they have left is to be the best partner. Dave Jones: Right? And so what and they do pass through the if you compare that to the other, you know, chumps getting into this like, like Twitter and YouTube. Spotify compared to them is actually like a bastion of openness. Adam Curry: Yes, it's true. I'm Dave Jones: not I'm not even I'm not even really miffed at Spotify anymore. I'm miffed at at anchor for Spotify for podcast is FP miffed at them for just the garbage? But I mean, it's like Spotify in general, they're actually pretty good becoming more and more decent all the time. I'm looking at this. So we have right now our our Linode our database Linode cost $96 A month. Thank you Linode for going up on your prices 20%. We'll be upgrading that to the 32 gigs of RAM version four, which will get take us to $192 a month. So that's going to be the upgrade that I'm going to do tomorrow.

1:44:58 Public Service Announcement database upgrade starts at 6pm on Saturday at 6pm Central time, Adam Curry: be on standby be on standby. Dave Jones: Buckle your seat, your safety belts. And, you know, sit down because we there will be no problems. But we may have problems. Yeah. But anyway, that's that's I mean, that's and it's in no small part thanks to anchors stream Oh, John. So you know, I don't want to say that I don't want to change anything right now I think I want to listen to people's inputs, because I'm okay with, with just continuing to ingest and purge out things. But it really is like, Adam Curry: it's annoying, it's annoying. It's annoying when you, for me. It's highly annoying. But then a bunch of Swedes came in with a big swing index, and bought all this stuff and ruined a whole bunch of stuff and ruined, polluted indexes and poke this polluted stuff with their greediness. And now they're failing, I want to be going, I'm trying not to, I think it will solve itself, I think anchor, they're going to close that down as a free resource one way or the other.

1:46:08 Because it's not free to them, it's a drag on them, they cost the money, they get one successful show, if they can't monetize it. And this has always been the downside of the podcast hosting business, is when you get a huge hit, you actually start to lose money, there's all kinds of issues, they I think they're figuring that out, they have to act like responsible people with their pocketbook. That's why you're seeing all these changes, I really do not believe in their business model, you cannot monetize the network, it does not work for you. You can barely monetize podcast. Now you have to have all of these labels and, and an approval ratings for brand safe. I mean, it is not it is a decentralized medium Megyn Kelly, and Glenn Beck and, and when and if it happens, Tucker Carlson, they will have advertisers that will support their audience and their podcast. And you can hear them you can hit these are not BMW, I mean, one of them might get a BMW, but I doubt it. That's the type of advertising that works. When you're a network, this is what you need to survive with the overhead of A, I've been through this, I've done it and failed at it spent $65 million of other people's money doing it. It does not work in the advertising business, to do it on an individual level, whether

1:47:39 you have a rep or not to go out and get advertisers who will work with you. And a lot of that's going to be host read, there is total survivability in that. But it's not going to be at the network level, they are going to fail. And they just haven't figured it out yet. But I can see the sweat on his bald head. Dave Jones: Now that's coming from the Holy Gospel robe. That's got a little kick to it. Yeah, Adam Curry: it's it's, it's a foregone conclusion. This is why I don't believe in in Dai, or any of this stuff. I've been around, I've been around, I've been in the ad game all of my professional life. I know how it works, they want control. If you can't do it on a network by basis, there's no control over the content.

1:48:37 Dave Jones: The only the only thing that I think will be a cat would be a casualty of Not, not auto ingesting anchor and instead making them making people submit their feeds individually. The only one, the only casualty I can think of are the statistics. So like Spurlock's monthly statistics, you know, because he makes those charts and everything. But but the thing is, I think the statistics would actually be better. Because you're you're getting, getting rid of what the way it looks right now, if you look at those statistics, the way it looks, is you have Spotify for podcasters. This like 10 miles above everybody else. And the only reason it's like that is because of the 10 to one junk ratio. If you get rid of that and bring that back down to earth, then you have a chart which you have is like right now it's like Spotify way up here. And then you have a bunch of like bed of squiggly lines at the bottom that you can't make any sense out of. If you bring that down to earth, then you'll have a more realistic chart that looks more normal.

1:49:45 Adam Curry: I would actually say you get a lot of benefit out of working with Spurlock on that. I mean, how can we figure out what what's what's worthy or not based upon? I mean, there's a whole there's many many things to do Dave Jones: and Just feel like data. Yeah, you're right. You're right. Adam Curry: I'm right. Oh, man, how come I'm not married to you? I'm never right here at home. Dave Jones: No, no, you're Adam Curry: absolutely right. Dave Jones: No, you're right. It should go back to the other wall. Adam Curry: You know, I bet I feel the same about Mackey. The way you feel about this, you know, Mackey, the audio company, a company. Yeah, so they come out with a Mackie F LZ. Creator, which is, this is a beautiful honkin piece of gear. You know, it's very much like the road caster, except it's got a huge screen. I mean, it's, it's a, it's a wanna have type thing.

1:50:48 You know, it's like, look at look at this is this box is beautiful, I love it. I'm excited by it. It has processing and has mix minus and all this stuff. And it's about the same price. And, you know, and then I just look at the specs, I think, you losers. I would I well, I have said many times, I will consult for free, call me, I'll tell you what you need. They're missing some key essential things once again, in this beautiful box, I'm sure they can fix it with software, you know, they're just missing some essential things. It's so unbelievable. Dave Jones: The DLZ creator know who this thing's pretty told Adam Curry: you. It's beautiful. You know, but here's the here's, here's the two things right off the bat, they're missing.

1:51:34 There's no processing over the total signal. I mean, if you can't process your your output signal, then what are you doing? I mean, that's stupid. That's just not not even thinking. And then the little things, the Liturgy of the little things. Like when I when I cracked the mic on my road caster, my speakers in the studio go out they mute. This is the type of things Ah, yeah, Dave Jones: man, let me guess they sent you a sample box. Adam Curry: And I wish they had I wish they had Dave Jones: back at this thing as guests so many connections on it. Adam Curry: And they only have one USB where I mean, for as again, I've never been called by road either. I think they copied a lot of my stuff. And I hope they did. Because I got it to market quicker. I don't mind. I'm using it. I'm happy. I'm so happy. I'm looking at that duo near the little cute one. But I want that one to just I want to have it.

1:52:36 Dave Jones: You don't even get to use it. You just want to have it again. Adam Curry: Exactly. I just want to have it to use it sometimes. You know, if you'd like using this one today. Dave Jones: You know, everybody on the website using the Mackay deals the creators so happy. Adam Curry: It's gonna be great. It's gonna be fantastic. Dave Jones: He Fetty there's a Adam Curry: shout out to to our French connection for podcast. data.org That's pretty cool. Dave Jones: Yeah, thanks, Ben. That's pretty rad. I'm gonna he sent me a request for some stuff that I'm going to fulfill. I'd liked it because get him. Adam Curry: You know, it's like, I'm not going to download our database and run SQL queries. I'm not going to do that. Could I Yeah, job. Like, and it's not really, I'm not super interested in all that. But just sometimes I like Oh, I'm just gonna play around with this. And just, you know, learn some stuff. It was really cool. I like it. I mean, it's just it was a nice addition really appreciate him doing that.

1:53:35 Dave Jones: It made me realize that I need to go back and put some more bits of metadata into the weekly dump. Because we like there's some stuff that would help been on that side. And if I can just throw in a little bit extra data for him to Adam Curry: tell me what what you're doing in the near future. So I know you're upgrading the database. So that's, that's gonna keep you busy for a week at least just upgrade tweaking all that stuff. What else can we help you with? Dave Jones: Yeah, okay. So, database database upgrade tomorrow. That is going to be I can just run through the process real quick. So at 6pm Central Time, tomorrow, I will, what I'm going to here's what I'm going to do. I'm going to make a snap schema, I'm going to restore the database from backup from the nightly snapshot. So I'm going to restore that to a new VM Whoa, man.

1:54:46 Adam Curry: You can you stream doing while you're doing this? Can you do a screencast stream it live just so we can enjoy watching this. That's so cool. Dave Jones: That's actually kind of funny to think about. If it blows up as if it would be horribly It'd be terrible. have that documented, I will, I will consider that that's actually kind of fun. Yeah, Adam Curry: one of those, one of the Alex's feeds. Dave Jones: A lot of y'all guys do thing, no agenda tube last year. So we'll restore it from nightly backup into a new VM, turn off all of the rights to the database. So turn off all the aggregators, any shut down, all the cron jobs, every everything that's running that could perhaps write to the database, turn all those off, so that it becomes very low, low write traffic, there will still be writes coming in through the API. through the, through some of the API calls, I'm going to flip a switch a flag in the API config file, that will tell it there's a database upgrade in progress. When that happens, any rights coming in through the API will be only logged. They won't be actually written to the database, but it will, but it will hand back they will hand back the appropriate response to

1:56:16 the caller. So that they don't know the difference. Whoa. So then, then, as soon as as soon as that happens, I will flip the API over to point to the new to the temporary database that I've just restored. And then resize the current database, which will take about 20 minutes. I think I timed it the other day with a test 28 to 30 minutes, somewhere in that timeframe. It will, it will reboot and resize the database. Then I'll flip the API back to the live database as the source and if everything checks out, turn everything back on. Oh, man, Adam Curry: what are you doing this? What time?

1:57:05 Dave Jones: 6pm Central tomorrow. Adam Curry: 6pm Central, you know, I'm gonna do at 6pm Central. Dave Jones: I'm gonna give rise to the API. No, I'm gonna Adam Curry: I'm gonna reboot our node just to make it all complete. No, God. Dave Jones: Are you trying to kill me? I mean, like, I needed any drinks. Any alcohol for this or something? Wow. No, I mean, this is this is very much fino show moving stuff around and nightlights? I don't know. Well, we'll see how it goes. We'll see. I guess so that that'll be the database. Okay. That's what I've been doing the last couple of weeks is just doing test runs of these things to make sure that the to make sure that I understand how long each of these phases is going to last right. There's a possibility that during the switch that during the resize that the API could return what do we want to say unsound data? misinformation? They may be beginning to report fake news. Emission disinformation, Matt MDM, Mal mountain and Mal information.

1:58:16 Adam Curry: So what can what can everybody do to help alleviate less rights? Everybody? No. Right. Don't write no letters. Dave Jones: No. Alt rights. We can? No, we there's nothing to do I think except just be aware of that for a couple of hours tomorrow from six to roughly question mark. There may be misinformation coming from the database. So Adam Curry: Okay. Wow. All right. I was like, You know what, I'm gonna pray for you. That's what I'm gonna do. Dave Jones: Thank you, brothers. That actually would be more helpful than anything I'm doing. Unknown: Oh, man. Oh, Dave Jones: roasted API hallucinations. Yes. There you go. Exactly. So that's that's that but then after that I'm working on a there's a thing that Oscar has been asking for for a while that I'm going to do I'm going to finish up I've already started it. But then I'm going to finish that up. It's a an immediate parse. So what he said was, you know, some sometimes a feed is just not getting the is not getting an episode in a timely fashion. And there can be a lot of reasons for that I don't want to get into and there's different we have priority flags and all this kind of stuff. Things can just get out of whack. So he said, you know, what would really be nice is if, if I could send if I could call an API endpoint that would give me they would, they would immediately parse the feed, extracted latest episodes and given back to me like the

1:59:49 prop. The problem with that is that the API the language that a API is written in PHP, the aggregators are written in node in the polars. The feed polls are written in rust. All the code that does polling and aggregation is all written in Rust in JavaScript, so I can't. And there's no PHP for that. So what I had to do is go back to the freedom controller, Adam Curry: oh, my phone. Wait a minute, we've gone back to the freedom control. This is an emergency now we're getting the bottom of the barrel, right glass, right. Dave Jones: And to go back to the frame Silla and forklift, a, an old aggregator, some old aggregator code out of that, to, to get a template for this thing. So because because PHP uses a simple XML library. So anyway, well, that that'll happen, but it was more work than I'd hoped for. So that there's that that's that's in the in the works.

2:00:55 Adam Curry: Wow. Oh, man. Well, you know, I know it's gonna be fine. You have worked with you for 14 years now. Dave Jones: 14, long, Longton Adam Curry: and, and downtime is just not a thing. I'm not too worried about I understand what you're doing. I understand the complexity of it. But I know you think these things through. It'll be fine. You'll work it out. And I hope everyone appreciates what you do. Dave Jones: Where did Daniel J lewis go, by the way? Adam Curry: Oh, that's ha. She was he was Dave Jones: he was working on a cross app comments thing and then he just poof just disappeared.

2:01:37 Adam Curry: Daniel J. Cole and Daniel J. Lewis. Checking please check in at the front desk. Want to make sure you're okay. Let's thank some people. They were running behind. I want to get you out back to a you had the rest of the day off. Dave Jones: Yeah, man. Oh, nice. Memorial Day weekend, by the Adam Curry: way. Thank you, Eric. p p for your heli pad for for start nine. I'm gonna try loading that up. Dave Jones: What is this? What are you talking about? You know, what's Adam Curry: your start nine is the professional version of Umbral. Yeah, right? I got one of those. Remember, they sent me a box. Yeah. So we ported heli pad to the Start OS OS that was not informed of this. Yeah. That's the problem with open source. Oh, this is awesome. Yeah, it is super awesome.

2:02:23 Because that I mean, that thing is stable. I'd have it running for I don't know, like a month now. That thing's running like a champ. Dave Jones: Where's the guy? He said? He said he'll send me the package. He sent me the package. Hey, Adam Curry: yeah, love your package, man. Send me the package. Love your package. Let me thanks some people who've been boosting during the show. Curtis Peterson 10,000 SATs Thank you Pete Curtis. Sam wavelet we thanked him earlier with this 50,000 SATs gotta love the music biz. Mike Newman 33,333 says hey CB CT litter was barking because she wanted in the studio. I can't believe you've never done that. And there's air TT says agenda to start nine node have a diversion of helipad app and he gave me the gave me the GitHub so I'm going to going to try and load that up maybe a weekend project 10101 from blueberry. We are three weeks deep into using the time splits oh there you go. lavish and I have been able to feature about three songs during each intermission on one additional song for the playout music I have concerned that we won't be able to do this live as we cut together a 15 minute mix featuring all the music I would say talk to one way would be it would be is to combine the value blocks I'm just off the top I had talked to Steven B about that that's a good problem to have I would say another blueberry 6666 Lorien from bowl after bowl nailed it and this was one of my new favorite ISOs

2:03:55 Okay, I'm gonna make me play something that I might regret regret was happening here Unknown: Oh tubing is a mental illness. Chasing numbers is a mental illness. Trying to build your following is a mental illness Dave Jones: that was worth it. I kind of like yeah, that was worth Adam Curry: it. That was kind of worth it. How long is that thing? Can you say the end of show? Unknown: Oh, tubing is a mental illness. Chasing numbers is a mental illness. If I stop it they're trying to build your following is a mental illness Adam Curry: kind of the last Unknown: chasing numbers is a mental illness. Okay, trying. Adam Curry: Almost had a home. I just got a set of cute. There we go. Okay, set some crack. 222 collaborative ISO magic boost.

2:04:46 No idea what you're talking about. Oh, that's, that's Sorry, Sir Brian of London. 31,948. That's his 1948 Israeli booths. I can't hear you but I'm sending my booths live anyway. That's we always say oh, you He's just not listening, but he's sending it anyway. Okay. Rustic club, brush Calavera 3000 SATs boosting in my spandex. Okay. Nathan But Nathan gathright just came in with a short row of ducks in ideal world fountain steno FM etc will be able to post transcripts back to the host for them to include in the feed if they want. Failing that sharing them back to the index as a shim would be a great way for podcasts and 2.0 apps to share only when the podcaster hasn't provided one. I liked the idea of sending it back to the host to be quite honest about it. But yeah, stuff for hosting people to work out most likely. feifer with 6666 lit boosting through the index fantastic. I see it indeed came through the the index tone record with a short row of ducks Friday fun time.

2:05:54 Martin from pod friend 4321 boosting for Dave sweet velvety pre show voice. Yo Yeah. And of course pre boosting for the boost boost Dred Scott with 101010 There he goes. He's Unknown: always there for us. 20 blades on the Impala Adam Curry: ball. Paula booth. Thank you chat after 3333 Another Martin with 1000 lit squad ready. And those are the pre show boosts and during the show booster grams. I'm sure you have a fine list to thank as well. Dave Jones: This fun list begins with Marco Arment $500 Yo Adam Curry: yo yo Bala Unknown: Sakala 20 This Blaze on I am Paula, Adam Curry: we are keeping the keeping the index clean for you Marco taking out the trash.

2:06:46 Dave Jones: copy him this morning. I really would like to know if anybody else is seeing these iTunes API five oh, threes? Yeah. What's Adam Curry: noticing what's the 503? Dave Jones: It's just service unavailable. Oops. Yeah, I've been noticing this a lot. I mean, it's never for a super long amount of time. It'll be this way for five minutes. And then it'll free up and then you'll get it for another five minutes. I don't know. It's just I've never seen this consistent level of 503 is coming from Apple before. So I don't know it kind of makes me it weirds me out a little bit. Something's going on. Because it's been go. This has been happening for a couple of weeks now. Interesting. Interesting. I don't know. But but one of the remember, people may not realize or remember this, but we have. We have clone endpoints for the iTunes API.

2:07:38 Adam Curry: Yes. Which you can just drop right in, right? Dave Jones: Yeah. So you can do an AB you can have. If your app depends on the Apple API, Apple lookup API, you can just replace the host name of forgot what it's like. I look up that iTunes dot commerce out forgot what just replace the host name with API podcast. index.org. And it just works. So you can have that as a fallback if you get a 503 from Apple fallback to request Yes, and when Apple's stuff comes back online, you're good to go. Flip back. Adam Curry: How cool is that? People that's worth a boost. Dave Jones: That's free of charge his right Buzzsprout $500 Oh man, I love Thank you. Thank Unknown: you 20 blades on the hem ball up Adam Curry: next no doubt anchor with $500 Dave Jones: This Did you see both sprouts? Got some sort of AI thing? I read?

2:08:39 Adam Curry: I would I would I would expect no less from them. Of course they got some kind of what are they doing with the AI thing? Dave Jones: I don't know. I don't know what what all it is we need to we need to get more information Adam Curry: out. Okay, I am excited now. I mean, I've been waiting for what I mean because it's show notes Dave Jones: or something maybe Buzzsprout ads co host AI Adam Curry: Konos. It introduces to Holon pod news has the has the breakdown. Buzzsprout introduces AI tool for your podcasting workflow, which podcast Buzzsprout is thrilled, thrilled, thrilled, thrilled to announce the launch of co host AI a groundbreaking groundbreaking tool that seamlessly integrates AI into your podcasting workflow. I'm 10 tantalized co host AI automatically generates episode titles, description chapter markers and transcripts, freeing podcasters from these often time consuming tasks. I've tried I've tried stuff like this I think with most of these things, I can't forget what it was I tried. It gives you a summary and then it does give you some ideas for for Chapter points and conscription. ans i personally, I like to like to pay. Dr.

2:10:05 Scott. I like giving him 5% of the of the value block. But I can see where it can it can save some people some time. Congratulations. I mean, it might be great. Dave Jones: Oh, Nathan said they did a partnership with a with podium. Okay, Adam Curry: that's probably Yeah, I tried podium podium is an AI company who are launching, I think they want to launch into all kinds of businesses. And so they they're doing like, all kinds of little things to show off their wares. So that podium is probably what I use, actually. Dave Jones: Thank you. Thank you, Tom. And Kevin and Buzzsprout. Appreciate that Franco. Celerio $100. Nice.

2:10:52 Unknown: Thank you. Blades on I am Paula. That's so Adam Curry: cool. Dave Jones: He says Dave, Adam, and everyone that is involved in podcasting. 2.0 Thank you for your ideas, your work and your support. Adam Curry: No, thank you for your support. We really appreciate it, man. Thank you. Dave Jones: Yeah, the lb. The LB and swap over in cast ematic was pretty much flawless. It was smooth as it was. Adam Curry: That's the only one I can't test because I don't have I don't have apple. Dave Jones: Yeah, no, it worked great. And so, I mean, as far as I know, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think we're almost done with the LNP node.

2:11:34 Adam Curry: Oh, okay. If not, we have a few more days or weeks, I think before everyone shuts off off if I'm not mistaken. Dave Jones: I just paid the Ellen pay bill this morning. Adam Curry: Okay, so that might be one of the last one. So we'll see. Okay, so I was correct. I did use it was podium. And I had us podium on episode 123. It's very, this very show. And now let me just do a quick I'm sorry. I know I'm taking a little bit of time. What was the what was the title of episode 123 Oh, God. Well, I should be able to look that up real quick, right? Yeah, yeah, Dave Jones: I can actually get a podcast Adam Curry: with ya 123 Dave Jones: and 20 threes. Get off my chain.

2:12:30 Adam Curry: Okay. The suggested episode title. Explore. Are you ready? Yes. Exploring the benefits of decentralized solutions Cole on a comprehensive analysis of cryptocurrency and blockchain technology. Dave Jones: Oh god, that's horrible. Adam Curry: And there's a suggested tweet. Join us for our latest episode of the podcast as we dive deep into the current state of cryptocurrency and blockchain technology exploring challenges and benefits of decentralized solutions. Hashtag cryptocurrency hashtag blockchain hashtag decentralized solutions hashtag podcast episode summary. In this episode, I discuss the monetary Control Act of 1980 which requires all financial institutions the United States lab Dave Jones: that is so boring. Let me let me show you what let me let me see what my Adam Curry: what your Yes.

2:13:26 Dave Jones: For the for this show before we started here. Let's see. Okay, here it is. Episode 134. I said it's time for the board meeting. We're running with scissors live with episode 134. Come listen to nobody announced for President. Exactly. That's that's an announcement that other thing was boring. Adam Curry: Well, it has highlights which I would say our chapters just give you the highlights. So these would be chapters modernizing podcasting capabilities with breeze, tool selection and open source evolution of relays and AI algorithms. The death of Fiat podcasting. I do like that. See, I would keep that breeze SDK for apps good one, exploring the potential of noster technology and OS T are welcome nostril.

2:14:14 Welcome to the party, pal. Okay, that's a good another good chapter title, the emergence of podcasting to point out layoffs in podcasting, and community in Bitcoin world note. Dave Jones: So you don't call it layoffs in podcasting, you call it chop and drop Exactly. Adam Curry: As a guideline tool, I can see where where it's useful, and of course it does a it does a transcript. Dave Jones: Once you've gotten used to dred Scott's chapters, there's no image there's no AI can touch him with a 10 foot pole. Adam Curry: I don't have to add to that. Dave Jones: He's a he's a he's a chapter savant Adam Curry: chapter Master. Yes. Chapter captain.

2:14:59 Dave Jones: Captain Mike And that's right. Let's see who we go with. Now that was it with the pay pals. Okay, thank Adam Curry: you. Thank you hosting friends. Thank you hosting friends and Marco thank you very very much Franco and Franco. Yes, thank you. Dave Jones: We got let's see chat F with 3333 No note, Chad's not in the note writing blued evidently, because we get another 3333 from Chad F and there's also no note we got some some big satchel Richard from you. You must have been money printer good. burring Mike Newman 333 A Pew for the post show money printer. Thank you for your courage. Nope. drips got 1234561456 Adam Curry: Well, I mean, do we do we'd give him a big big baller follow?

2:15:51 Unknown: Stock Carla 20 is Blaze on him. Paula. Adam Curry: That's what puts songs at the top of wav like, top 40 Dave Jones: This is what must this is. This must have been when you played it as the outro Yeah, Adam Curry: exactly. So we do need to be able to differentiate because we only get a small percentage of that. Yeah, but I'm happy to big baller that because it's big baller it supports everybody it supports the artists it gets people excited so I'm happy Dave Jones: let's see we got I think we got two of these from from Drib I think we got 212345 sixes wow it's the same note but it I mean they came in a different timestamps Adam Curry: interesting. He might have sent them twice as possible.

2:16:38 Dave Jones: Okay, well hard hats and his satchel Richard for 1111. We got a 14 21,420 from SCO TT and he just says yes, Adam Curry: indeed. Yes, streaming. Dave Jones: Mike Newman essential Richards he says, oh, Oscar fountain live beta seems to completely come commandeer My phone's audio even if I press pause on the Live episode. I can't stop the stream. Adam Curry: You know what Tina? Really love? What the number one loves feature of the new fountain. She says, Ah, I can delete all my downloaded episodes in with one button.

2:17:18 Dave Jones: That's a pretty nice thing. And she watched it. She watched and Adam Curry: watched it go. Oh, look at that. Because you like 1000 Oh, it's gone. 900 800 400 Dave Jones: Ah. This is a thing. It is a big thing. ASMR buzz visual. Adam Curry: She is love. She loves that clean up feeling like Inbox Zero. Yeah, she loves it. Oh man. So that's her most favorite feature. Dave Jones: I'm pretty on board with that too. Adam Curry: I understand that. Dave Jones: Oh, my Caden 2222 Road ducks for curio caster he says Good Times last week. Yes, Mike. Thanks, Mike Adam Curry: was good to have you on. And I think he really enjoyed I think he posted on the social how much he enjoyed watching the Satoshis come in from his split on that episode.

2:18:10 Yeah, yeah, it's that's my evil plan as my evil plan. Yeah, it's pretty fun. And it Mike that's why all your clients all your customers could have that same wonderful experience. Dave Jones: We got 123456 booths for 49,000 SATs from Auburn citadel. Holy Mara. Unknown: Sakala 20 is Blaze own Ambala Thank Adam Curry: you. That's a big one. That's a big baller boost man. Thank you so much. Dave Jones: It must fit as per minute said I don't know man. That's uh, but he Adam Curry: he gets all excited. Yeah. Dave Jones: Satchel Richards from the mere mortals podcast.

2:18:52 He found it he says the streaming payments also good to the artist. You only mentioned boosts so I was unsure Adam Curry: Yes, everything everything. It's a foreign value bloxwich. Yes so no matter what you do, no matter from where oh no, it doesn't matter from where I live everybody Dave Jones: that loves sushi 10,000 says curio caster says boosting the money printer girl burr from period caster. Adam Curry: Boost boost money print to go borrow money Brenda go birth. Dave Jones: Michigan been 2040 Oh, what would what? Adam Curry: No, I think I need to play that song again. Dave Jones: Jean been 2048 through cast Matic says I'm wondering if the person's Search API endpoint could somehow be tied into by pod chaser. It seems like they'd benefit from it greatly. Well, they're welcome to do it. It's right there. They can do it if they want to. Alex on pod friend 5000 sets a says boost Fauci plus boost Devora plus boost Fauci plus boost to Vortec plus boost the keeper.

2:19:53 Adam Curry: We can do a little bit of that boost boost boost. Boost boost Okay? Got Mola They got most of it in their Dave Jones: 4096 through gene bein we got 123456 of those and thank you gene bein I appreciate the yellow owl from Brees of course that's a very breezed anonymous name 2498 Thank you very much. Brian of London 1948 says the Israel boost he says podcasting 2.0 is recorded before the start of Shabbat on a Friday in the timezone of the participants. It is there for kosher as a Jew as a Jew is Brian certified. There we Adam Curry: go. We're kosher. We are now we are officially right down the only boardroom that's kosher Dave Jones: that's that's that's a big deal. I'm hanging the sign up we got a 234,567 SAS through curio caster from drip Scott printer.com Unknown: Saqqara 20 his blades on the Impala people Adam Curry: love that money printer song man I'm playing it on the outro again I can't help myself I just need to say it's a great way to get the weekend started money printer Gober?

2:21:08 Yeah, I love it. Dave Jones: My printer go burn. All right, thank you Greg. Oh, and another one he says boosting fudge 133,333 20 Unknown: blades on the Impala his children Adam Curry: are walking on bare feet Dave Jones: ragged eating toast. The bottom of their faces live a hamburger meat is awful. To get jelly stains on their cheek, Adam Curry: the Bruce Wayne of podcasting 2.0 Thank you brother. Dave Jones: James sent us 40 Send us 4000 SATs the founder says value for value is the way Silicon Valley man. Adam Curry: He was talking to Mike Mike okay. It's Silicon Valley man.

2:21:54 Dave Jones: Clark Ian 25,001 says that's my buddy he says beef tallow fries for you Dave boobity boobity buck Adam Curry: boost boost boost so buddy buddy Bob. Dave Jones: Yet we went to we went over to their house the other night he made beef tallow fries with grass fed beef. Adam Curry: Oh, oh, that must have been super delish. Now we're gonna check your buddy with the 12 Giga gigabyte AI thing. Dave Jones: Yeah, man. It was badass EA show me ooga booga running with a Vicuna length large language model. Totally, totally local solely on device. And he said he just he pulled it up just like Chad GPT and typed in. He just typed in a request.

2:22:39 He said please write it write a script. Write a bash script that will send an email saying hello world every 20 minutes and it was like Berge read it all nice. And I said Well, that was I will try and do the same thing and just change it to PowerShell so he just said the same exact thing and change it to PowerShell boom Adam Curry: Wow to read out and did it as he worried about it eating up his house. Dave Jones: It is He said if you have at least a 12 gig video card then it will do it'll it can fit everything in memory and it's super fast. Adam Curry: Can he can he have it generate show notes and chapter titles for our show?

2:23:19 Dave Jones: Probably but it'll be boring. But Adam Curry: just curious. Who knows. I mean maybe his stuff isn't boring. I Dave Jones: don't know. We don't know that drab isn't doing that very thing. Thank Adam Curry: you. We don't know if dread is real. Drip, Dave Jones: drip drip may be a large language model. Adam Curry: I'm not going to contest it. Dave Jones: A monkey sent us 333 sets and money to go Adam Curry: home man they love it. Dave Jones: The bow ski says 808 Boo Boos through fountain no note that we get sir Pete 22 to 22 Big row of dogs uses liberals. Adam Curry: They're very nice. I want to we haven't played in the boost in a long time.

2:24:03 Dave Jones: And now as the French say it is time for love boost I love Benjamin Bellamy he doesn't let it rip. Adam Curry: He doesn't care. He does not care. Dave Jones: Exactly all you get is exactly what Adam Curry: he thinks love that. Love that love that. Now Dave Jones: an anonymous boost for 2500 says through cast ematic Thank you anonymous let's see 1000 says from user 499016947 Double blah blah blah and fountain he says lit fire is awesome. Adam Curry: Yeah change your username. Yes. Dave Jones: Huge satchel Richards from bad career advice Chad he says sinking that are you what are you thinking about?

2:24:47 said in a bedroom and accent in honor of the featured artists money printer good or bad career vice Chad's in a 6969 through family says Adam stop server size shaming. Everyone knows it's not about the size of the server but the motion of the data packet ocean moves backward but yet again with 1000 SATs, he's just as anonymous as the big road ducks two of those Thank you. 20 is a 2100 from Bhumi just says demoing every week Bhumi is demoing V for V on somebody. We get a boost of love that bore logs and 20,000 SATs 30 pod verses is Keep up the good work, gentlemen. Thank you Borlaug.

2:25:39 Adam Curry: We love this. I love tone records suggestion Dred Scott is chapter GPT Dave Jones: I liked I like that a lot. That's awesome. Oh marks and marks and it's 3111 the founding says great episode yet again. Thanks for the words of encouragement on podcaster go podcasting go podcast. Seriously build something I really want to see. Adam Curry: Yeah. Dave Jones: The delimiter 30 3015 through comes through blogger Hey says don't miss Dave and achieving Adam. Like you we believe in the limitless potential of your work with value in PC 2.0. Your diligence deserves consistent support with SATs we foresee a future where in the pioneering hallmark of podcasting, Bitcoin and artificial intelligence become pillars of ingenuity, working alongside the nobility of the spirit to become the ghost in the machine of the Beast system.

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2:32:22 There's one perfect one public service announcement and one thing specifically for chyron from the mere mortals podcast, the car Karen, the two books you want do you want to read from Frederick Naisha are this book there's Zarathustra? That his his his this is what I was told by my friend who is a Nietzsche scholar. That is that book displays his his mature philosophical thought. And you also want to read the Antichrist, which in his words shows how insane he is because he advocates violence against Christians. Okay. Adam Curry: That is I'm switching to the Nietzsche value block here live. Okay.

2:33:04 Dave Jones: All right, and come back. Adam Curry: We're back. We're back. We're back yesterday. Dave Jones: The public service announcement is if you run Windows, disable, you will be doing yourself a favor to disable fast startup. Oh, in the power options. Adam Curry: Oh, why? Why is that? Why? Tell us about this public public service. Dave Jones: We have over the last few months in my day job we have noticed an alarmingly large increase in the number of weird things going on with windows that involve like memory leaks, printers doing weird things, just all kinds of really hard to pin down issues and almost every one of them is solved if you disable fast startup Adam Curry: now where do I find this fast startup because I find a lot but I don't see the Fast Startup Dave Jones: it's really a pain in the butt to find if you go to the settings and then go in search for power power option if you start if you just go into the settings apps for power go to I think it's called power and sleep options or something and you go in there and then you go to Advanced Adam Curry: advanced yep then I get a little power options thing that pops up yep, Dave Jones: the control panel applets then over the left of the control panel and Adam Curry: basically in Windows three now yeah, yes, you're right.

2:34:32 Dave Jones: You're in the right place. Yes, Adam Curry: yes. Dave Jones: Then now if you go up to the OP the link that says Choose what closing the lid does or choose what the power buttons do. Over on the left Adam Curry: I'm looking but I I just from wireless. I mean, I don't have a laptop so maybe it's not in here. Tower man Oh, display display maybe turned it No. Power processing management? No. Dave Jones: Yes. So you'll you'll want to you'll want to find that option that says Choose what the power and sleep buttons do. It should be in there somewhere that if you don't know what yours looks like but it should be in the advanced if you're on that screen that shows whether you can go to balanced or high performance power Adam Curry: yeah high performance over on the left you Dave Jones: should have some options and one of them should be something like choose what the power button does. If you click if you the way you get there is you click that then at the bottom you will see a thing that lets you disable fast startup not seeing it Adam Curry: no I screenshot Yeah, I mean I know what you're talking about. But I just display Trump processor power management I don't have I don't have a lid thing because I don't have a lid lid yeah Dave Jones: yeah, there's another one this though that doesn't is not the lid it's like choose what the power button does.

2:36:00 Adam Curry: I don't have that button. I know I think I'm in the right screen I got all that stuff. Dave Jones: issues within the Power Options section select Change what the power buttons do. Adam Curry: I don't have that. I don't have that option. Okay, well, so I don't so I don't have the problem. Boom solved. Dave Jones: You fixed it without doing anything. Adam Curry: Dave my brother have yourself a great weekend. What a great what a great board meeting. Thank you everybody in the chat room. Man I'm so excited we're going to be onstage at Bitcoin 2024 We're going to blow everyone's socks off. We've got so much coolness to celebrate. And if you're listening to this live go ahead and get pod friend the non legacy version get curio caster and boost those songs all the way to the top of the wavelength top 40 We got a great future ahead of us and money printer go burn coming up. See you next week brother Unknown: You have been listening to podcasting 2.0 Visit podcast index dot four for more information trying to build your following is a mental illness

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