Episode 131: Toilet Scroller

1 00:00:00,780 --> 00:00:06,360 Adam Curry: podcasting 2.04 main fest 2023 Episode 131 Grab your 2 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:11,850 Twitter scroller. Whoa, we're back. All in one face. Welcome 3 00:00:11,850 --> 00:00:15,930 to podcasting. 2.0 That's right, the official board meeting of 4 00:00:15,930 --> 00:00:19,650 the future and current state of podcasting, everything going on 5 00:00:19,650 --> 00:00:23,280 a podcast index.org podcast namespace and of course, 6 00:00:23,580 --> 00:00:26,820 anything we're gossiping about on podcast index dot social. We 7 00:00:26,820 --> 00:00:30,210 are the premier podcast boardroom. I'm I'm very here in 8 00:00:30,210 --> 00:00:32,910 the heart of the Texas Hill Country and in Alabama, ladies, 9 00:00:32,910 --> 00:00:36,120 he's organized, he's tidy, and he can cook. Say hello to my 10 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:42,870 friend on the other end, Mr. Dave Jones. A three. You can't 11 00:00:42,870 --> 00:00:46,770 cook. No, I can't. Yes, you can. You could cook I thought you 12 00:00:46,770 --> 00:00:51,750 were you're not really know anybody who can work. If you can 13 00:00:51,750 --> 00:00:55,170 maintain a GitHub you can cook. You can read and cook. 14 00:00:55,740 --> 00:01:00,090 Dave Jones: No, I have I've I can follow a recipe. Yeah, but 15 00:01:00,090 --> 00:01:04,890 the recipes in recipe books horrible. They're like this. 16 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:08,820 This is the typical recipe book. It's okay, you're gonna make 17 00:01:08,820 --> 00:01:13,410 Fettuccine Alfredo. First, go make the alfredo sauce, which is 18 00:01:13,410 --> 00:01:14,490 on page 13. 19 00:01:15,209 --> 00:01:18,299 Adam Curry: You know, you know, the next cloud? You're familiar 20 00:01:18,299 --> 00:01:19,739 with the next cloud product, right? 21 00:01:20,130 --> 00:01:23,160 Dave Jones: Is this the fork of ownCloud? Yes, exactly. 22 00:01:23,190 --> 00:01:27,210 Adam Curry: Yeah. They have a whole recipe module. And it's 23 00:01:27,210 --> 00:01:31,350 actually pretty good. And you can even you can just say, go to 24 00:01:31,350 --> 00:01:34,350 this URL and import the recipe there. It knows how to parse 25 00:01:34,350 --> 00:01:37,770 through a web page pulls it all in, get your ingredient list. 26 00:01:38,250 --> 00:01:38,910 It's pretty bad. 27 00:01:39,630 --> 00:01:42,360 Dave Jones: Is there an open spec for recipe formatting? 28 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:44,880 Adam Curry: You know, we've? No, I don't think so. But we've 29 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:49,500 talked about this we talked about I think at one point that 30 00:01:50,130 --> 00:01:55,560 value for value. Could even be recipes with recipe chapters. 31 00:01:56,880 --> 00:02:02,370 Dave Jones: We we talked about in in the boardroom? Yes. This 32 00:02:02,370 --> 00:02:03,960 is a weird discussion, a 33 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:07,500 Adam Curry: good idea. It's a great idea. I'm telling you. 34 00:02:07,530 --> 00:02:08,040 It's good 35 00:02:08,069 --> 00:02:10,199 Dave Jones: medium said we needed a new medium tag. Yeah, 36 00:02:10,619 --> 00:02:12,989 he made food 37 00:02:13,139 --> 00:02:17,819 Adam Curry: equals a recipe. By the way. Today, as we all know, 38 00:02:17,819 --> 00:02:21,629 podcasting 2.0 This podcast is not only a part of the overall 39 00:02:21,629 --> 00:02:25,859 podcasting 2.0 project, it is the gateway to the drug that you 40 00:02:25,859 --> 00:02:30,749 want on the back end. But it's also where we run with scissors, 41 00:02:31,349 --> 00:02:34,499 which means it's very possible due to changes in today's 42 00:02:34,499 --> 00:02:37,829 podcast V that it may not even work in your podcast app. 43 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:42,870 Dave Jones: It almost didn't work in yesterday. 44 00:02:43,500 --> 00:02:47,010 Adam Curry: So I just yeah, we need to tell everybody how. And 45 00:02:47,010 --> 00:02:51,900 I don't use this word lightly how awesome Steven b is. So I'm 46 00:02:51,900 --> 00:02:54,300 getting ready for no agenda. We've been doing live shows, 47 00:02:54,300 --> 00:02:59,370 while the legacy of lit into a degree is no agenda, who've had 48 00:02:59,370 --> 00:03:03,630 an IRC chat room and a stream going for at least 14 years of 49 00:03:03,630 --> 00:03:09,840 the 16. And so have that all in a live in your app in one of the 50 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:14,820 four curio caster pod pod verse. A podcast addict podcast Guru, I 51 00:03:14,820 --> 00:03:19,080 think that's for so far. These of course phenomenal. So I've 52 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:23,460 been using it ever since we started podcasting. 2.0 right 53 00:03:23,460 --> 00:03:26,700 off the bat is the reason Steven B is so awesome. He created 54 00:03:26,700 --> 00:03:30,030 sovereign feeds, sovereign feeds.com, which is how I create 55 00:03:30,030 --> 00:03:33,570 all of my podcast feeds. Why is it so awesome? Because whenever 56 00:03:33,570 --> 00:03:36,540 we come up with some idea, he implements it, and then we're 57 00:03:36,540 --> 00:03:40,950 publishing with that new tag or new feature in the feed. And 58 00:03:40,950 --> 00:03:43,890 then he has the flip side to that curio caster, which of 59 00:03:43,890 --> 00:03:48,780 course always eats its own dog food. So we so we have one round 60 00:03:48,780 --> 00:03:51,390 robin trip that everybody can try out. And so you know, we've 61 00:03:51,390 --> 00:03:54,750 had, you know, so you know, stuff breaks and stuff happens. 62 00:03:54,750 --> 00:03:57,810 But now that I'm kind of using sovereign feeds in full on 63 00:03:57,810 --> 00:04:02,910 production mode for a couple of years for for no agenda. And I 64 00:04:02,910 --> 00:04:08,820 go in there to schedule the live show. And it doesn't work. I'm 65 00:04:08,820 --> 00:04:12,270 clicking on the update Live episode just does nothing. I'm 66 00:04:12,270 --> 00:04:14,760 refreshing. I'm logging in logging out like, Okay, now it's 67 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:19,110 time to reach out. And I can't get a hold of Steven. And you 68 00:04:19,110 --> 00:04:21,270 know what, okay, I'll just continue this a couple hours 69 00:04:21,270 --> 00:04:24,150 before the show. I'll just continue with my prep. And now 70 00:04:24,150 --> 00:04:27,210 we're 30 minutes before the show. And I'm like, What am I 71 00:04:27,210 --> 00:04:30,300 like, Oh my God. Now I'm thinking Dave knows next step. 72 00:04:30,300 --> 00:04:32,160 We have to escalate this to level two. 73 00:04:33,510 --> 00:04:36,300 Dave Jones: Tech support, which is no better than level one. Of 74 00:04:36,300 --> 00:04:36,840 course neither 75 00:04:36,840 --> 00:04:39,960 Adam Curry: of us have his number. Why would we? Why would 76 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:40,230 we? 77 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:41,730 Dave Jones: I'm looking at my signal. I'm like 78 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:45,570 Adam Curry: no, I thought it was in signal two, but I guess I 79 00:04:45,570 --> 00:04:48,240 never had I don't know back channeling I'm publishing I'm 80 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:53,280 doing it. On the site itself. I'm sending emails. Like okay, 81 00:04:53,280 --> 00:04:56,340 well just it is what it is and then we're into the pre show 82 00:04:56,340 --> 00:05:02,430 music and being Yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah. And what did you say it 83 00:05:02,430 --> 00:05:06,180 was? I think one of the libraries that he was using, 84 00:05:06,810 --> 00:05:08,010 made a change. 85 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:11,100 Dave Jones: I see. It's like a date time library, maybe that 86 00:05:11,100 --> 00:05:14,520 parses the date. He had a specific something with time. It 87 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:17,130 was something with the time you've looked at what the error 88 00:05:17,130 --> 00:05:17,880 was, right? 89 00:05:18,210 --> 00:05:18,600 Adam Curry: Yeah, it 90 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:20,100 Dave Jones: was, it was like spitting out an error in the 91 00:05:20,100 --> 00:05:22,800 console. And it was like something with parsing the date 92 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:24,720 is whatever, like, like a minutes or something. 93 00:05:25,499 --> 00:05:28,259 Adam Curry: Oh, he says, looks like the svelte library. I use 94 00:05:28,259 --> 00:05:31,319 as my framework had some changes that broke a few components. 95 00:05:31,769 --> 00:05:35,729 I've done some quick fixes, and tested it, it seems to be 96 00:05:35,729 --> 00:05:38,279 working again, I'm able to update live item and download 97 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:41,099 the RSS feed. Let me see what was the and this was literally 98 00:05:41,099 --> 00:05:45,689 1257, which is now three minutes before I go live to air. The 99 00:05:45,689 --> 00:05:50,279 awesome. This is great. But the thing wasn't like, I wasn't 100 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:52,919 really worried at all, you know, like, Okay, we'll see whatever 101 00:05:52,919 --> 00:05:55,229 happens. And boom, they're just like, Oh, of course, click, 102 00:05:55,229 --> 00:05:57,869 click, click, click Live. And just as I'm going live, everyone 103 00:05:57,869 --> 00:06:04,619 gets the ping. So I just love that. It actually kind of had 104 00:06:04,619 --> 00:06:07,769 very broadcast news type vibe to it, you know, where people are 105 00:06:07,769 --> 00:06:10,229 trying to get the tape in the machine on time throwing it 106 00:06:10,229 --> 00:06:14,069 across the room like yeah, we did it. We got on air. Hi, 107 00:06:14,069 --> 00:06:14,699 everybody. 108 00:06:15,629 --> 00:06:18,089 Dave Jones: bucket brigade down the hall with the tape. Yeah, 109 00:06:18,089 --> 00:06:18,719 exactly. 110 00:06:20,100 --> 00:06:24,180 Adam Curry: So the last board meeting we had, which was two 111 00:06:24,180 --> 00:06:30,180 weeks ago, since I had a another oral procedure, which is less 112 00:06:30,180 --> 00:06:30,540 fun. That 113 00:06:31,620 --> 00:06:32,760 Dave Jones: was the grill the grill was 114 00:06:32,790 --> 00:06:36,990 Adam Curry: you know, so this, again, the brochure is very 115 00:06:36,990 --> 00:06:37,590 colorful. 116 00:06:40,590 --> 00:06:42,750 Dave Jones: Everybody has smiles on their face. Yes. 117 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:45,840 Adam Curry: So this was part two, the first part was the 118 00:06:45,840 --> 00:06:49,020 extraction. Now that was a five hour procedure. And this was 119 00:06:49,020 --> 00:06:55,380 supposed to be about three. And this is to implant eight posts, 120 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:56,850 which now after 121 00:06:57,509 --> 00:07:00,389 Dave Jones: we you sent me the picture of this diagram, and it 122 00:07:00,389 --> 00:07:03,599 just makes your it just, it just makes your skin and 123 00:07:03,930 --> 00:07:05,820 Adam Curry: makes your nuts extracted go up 124 00:07:06,840 --> 00:07:10,320 Dave Jones: is horrible. I mean, like just the idea of screwing 125 00:07:10,590 --> 00:07:14,940 titanium posts to your jaw bone is like, 126 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:18,510 Adam Curry: remember, this is freshly grown jaw bone. That's 127 00:07:18,510 --> 00:07:18,780 that's 128 00:07:18,780 --> 00:07:22,110 Dave Jones: not that's a horrible thing to say. It's not 129 00:07:22,110 --> 00:07:25,380 I should not say no. Nobody should ever say freshly grown 130 00:07:25,380 --> 00:07:25,980 bone. 131 00:07:27,450 --> 00:07:30,150 Adam Curry: It's the technology is pretty outrageous. I mean, 132 00:07:30,150 --> 00:07:34,980 it's all pretty high tech. And as part of this this procedure 133 00:07:35,100 --> 00:07:37,770 be ahead and by the way I come in so it was a little different 134 00:07:37,770 --> 00:07:42,030 this time last time he gave me like Xanax or something or some 135 00:07:42,030 --> 00:07:46,500 valium derivative who? Well, yeah. And I was like, Okay, I 136 00:07:46,500 --> 00:07:49,380 mean, look, man, I've been a stoner all my life. You think I 137 00:07:49,410 --> 00:07:52,590 quit for a couple months, like and I'm like, it's like, my, 138 00:07:52,620 --> 00:07:58,320 like, my resistance is gone? No. Like, it was a little little 139 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:01,500 woozy. So I'm not gonna do something new this time. Okay, 140 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:03,720 what are you doing? Well, you come in an hour early. And I'll 141 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:10,500 give you how doll house you held. Oh, no. House young house. 142 00:08:10,500 --> 00:08:10,800 Yeah. 143 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:13,920 Dave Jones: What? No. No, how does the thing that makes you 144 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:15,600 like a zombie. He just woke her up. 145 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:20,970 Adam Curry: Yeah, similar to that. And within 20 minutes, I'm 146 00:08:20,970 --> 00:08:22,320 loopy. Like 147 00:08:25,290 --> 00:08:28,080 Dave Jones: never even thought that was a coffee company. 148 00:08:28,499 --> 00:08:31,379 Adam Curry: It's a benzo I think. But he gave me the max 149 00:08:31,379 --> 00:08:34,739 dosage. So I'm gonna Wow. And then yeah, and then the minute 150 00:08:34,739 --> 00:08:37,079 I'm kind of going Lupino teenagers there says a prayer. 151 00:08:37,529 --> 00:08:40,919 Bless her heart. Yeah. And she leaves you're like, Okay, I'm 152 00:08:40,919 --> 00:08:45,209 gonna go feed the dog. And then all this action, you know, the 153 00:08:45,209 --> 00:08:51,149 IV goes in through and that's the, again the fentanyl IV and 154 00:08:51,149 --> 00:08:54,419 four hours, man, it was long. But what he did is a part of 155 00:08:54,419 --> 00:08:57,869 this. And he kind of showed me this while I was drowsy. He said 156 00:08:57,869 --> 00:09:01,079 I'm gonna raise up your sinuses, like three millimeters like 157 00:09:01,079 --> 00:09:06,599 what? So they have this, again, new technology. It's guys really 158 00:09:06,599 --> 00:09:10,589 into it. And they raise my sinuses up three centimeters. 159 00:09:10,799 --> 00:09:13,889 And I'm telling you, you know, once they cleared out that 160 00:09:13,889 --> 00:09:19,499 infection near my sinuses, you I went from wearing hearing aids 161 00:09:19,499 --> 00:09:20,969 to not wearing hearing aids. 162 00:09:21,330 --> 00:09:23,790 Dave Jones: That's the most amazing thing to me that you can 163 00:09:23,790 --> 00:09:25,650 do that you don't even need them anymore. So 164 00:09:25,650 --> 00:09:29,370 Adam Curry: I went from 10 to six on the headphones. And now 165 00:09:29,370 --> 00:09:33,270 I'm from six to five. And again, it's only in the right ear 166 00:09:33,270 --> 00:09:37,200 though, but it's improved. as is for now. 167 00:09:37,830 --> 00:09:43,980 Dave Jones: I saw an article the other day about oral infection 168 00:09:44,550 --> 00:09:48,720 leads to this some new discovery they've made that can lead to 169 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:49,800 rheumatoid arthritis, 170 00:09:49,830 --> 00:09:51,690 Adam Curry: all kinds of horrible things. 171 00:09:52,139 --> 00:09:54,329 Dave Jones: I'm starting to think that the firt the first 172 00:09:54,329 --> 00:09:56,819 time you have a chronic disease, you don't go to the doctor you 173 00:09:56,819 --> 00:09:57,629 go to the dentist or 174 00:09:57,630 --> 00:09:59,790 Adam Curry: the dentists and have a scan done and they can 175 00:09:59,790 --> 00:10:04,890 see Get right there it's like a $200 scam you stand in this 176 00:10:04,890 --> 00:10:08,490 thing turns around your head which is quite concerning 177 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:09,150 disconcerting 178 00:10:10,050 --> 00:10:11,850 Dave Jones: is blue is blue and X rays through there 179 00:10:12,449 --> 00:10:16,469 Adam Curry: definitely definitely is and and they can 180 00:10:16,469 --> 00:10:19,409 see it right away okay if your infection and then you know 181 00:10:19,439 --> 00:10:21,539 there's a number of things you can do but also your body is 182 00:10:21,539 --> 00:10:24,449 always your body is continuously fighting infection it can slow 183 00:10:24,449 --> 00:10:27,269 you down make you tired all kinds of stuff and I had this 184 00:10:27,269 --> 00:10:31,499 for 10 years so anyway everything's good. So there was 185 00:10:31,529 --> 00:10:36,269 some swelling but what was different now is up where you 186 00:10:36,269 --> 00:10:42,059 know my my cheekbones and right by my nose and but now that only 187 00:10:42,059 --> 00:10:47,939 lasted three days I missed one no agenda and got through. So we 188 00:10:47,939 --> 00:10:51,569 did it on Wednesday. I took off that Thursday and did the Sunday 189 00:10:51,569 --> 00:10:54,269 show and I got through okay, I got I got a little dizzy 190 00:10:54,299 --> 00:10:59,579 somewhere on the second hour. Got a little dizzy for a second 191 00:10:59,579 --> 00:11:04,289 hold up. Now and so today I have my post up and you know if all 192 00:11:04,289 --> 00:11:08,159 has gone well then you know in a couple more months and then we 193 00:11:08,159 --> 00:11:09,929 put in my my new teeth. 194 00:11:10,349 --> 00:11:12,539 Dave Jones: It but that's easy, though. That's not a that's not 195 00:11:12,539 --> 00:11:13,799 a procedure at 196 00:11:13,830 --> 00:11:17,520 Adam Curry: this point. I don't think anything's easy. I'd Oh, 197 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:20,040 that's the easiest part. Okay, we'll see. I 198 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:22,440 Dave Jones: was just glue them to the post or something. I 199 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:23,850 mean, I'll find 200 00:11:23,850 --> 00:11:25,920 Adam Curry: out today I was was wondering about that. I mean, 201 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:27,270 because you can't screw them 202 00:11:27,270 --> 00:11:31,470 Dave Jones: in now because you can't make their SNAP is like a 203 00:11:31,470 --> 00:11:31,830 click, 204 00:11:31,860 --> 00:11:35,580 Adam Curry: you know, again, or maybe maybe you do put it I know 205 00:11:35,580 --> 00:11:37,980 that just I'm sure there's some secret sauce that I'll find out. 206 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:40,410 Dave Jones: If they snap on you can swap them out with different 207 00:11:40,410 --> 00:11:41,730 stuff like you could put I have 208 00:11:41,730 --> 00:11:45,570 Adam Curry: requested this. I requested this technology just 209 00:11:45,570 --> 00:11:47,730 so I could put it in a real grill or something, you know, 210 00:11:47,790 --> 00:11:50,490 Dave Jones: yeah, gold. I mean, you know, swapping it but 211 00:11:50,490 --> 00:11:50,700 anyway, 212 00:11:50,700 --> 00:11:54,870 Adam Curry: so, Mitch, he's He's so good. Because he listened to 213 00:11:54,870 --> 00:11:57,420 the shows too. He listened to no agenda. He listened to Korean 214 00:11:57,420 --> 00:12:00,660 the keeper. He listened to the podcast and 2.0 is like a little 215 00:12:00,660 --> 00:12:03,750 beyond me. But he says things funny to hear you guys. Yep. And 216 00:12:04,110 --> 00:12:08,070 so he's very concerned about the soliciting. And you said Okay, 217 00:12:08,070 --> 00:12:10,890 so right now your gums are still a little swollen. So when that 218 00:12:10,890 --> 00:12:13,950 goes down, then this listing of starts so he's pre ordering all 219 00:12:13,950 --> 00:12:17,310 these temporary bridges to make sure that you know, snap this 220 00:12:17,310 --> 00:12:20,700 one in in case you know, the swishing starts again. So he 221 00:12:20,700 --> 00:12:23,790 really cares about he cares about the show. 222 00:12:24,090 --> 00:12:29,220 Dave Jones: So this will expand his his user but his user base 223 00:12:29,220 --> 00:12:34,950 his customer base to be. He will be he will be the periodontist 224 00:12:34,980 --> 00:12:36,870 to the podcast industry. Oh, well, I've 225 00:12:36,870 --> 00:12:40,290 Adam Curry: already sent at least 10 people to him. And I 226 00:12:40,290 --> 00:12:43,050 have other dentists and periodontists. Now saying 227 00:12:43,110 --> 00:12:46,320 actually dentist more saying you know, when someone comes to me, 228 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:48,600 I'm just going to give them a scan just to see what else is 229 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:51,630 going on with them. Because it's oh yeah, this is not well 230 00:12:51,630 --> 00:12:52,470 discussed. 231 00:12:53,310 --> 00:12:55,410 Dave Jones: Know this, I think this is a burden. This is a 232 00:12:55,410 --> 00:12:58,020 burgeoning area of research. 233 00:12:58,680 --> 00:13:03,270 Adam Curry: So back to Steven bell. He so in this two week 234 00:13:03,270 --> 00:13:08,250 period we talked about, I kind of pitched the idea of how I 235 00:13:08,250 --> 00:13:13,410 would like to do music and podcasting where you know, when 236 00:13:13,410 --> 00:13:18,360 I play a song, then the value block switches to the value 237 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:21,630 block of the song which presumably would be uploaded to 238 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:25,770 dystopia or wave lake or one of the other hosts and would be 239 00:13:25,770 --> 00:13:29,370 submitted into the podcast index and would have its own splits 240 00:13:31,140 --> 00:13:34,410 and he did it he implemented he put it into sovereign feeds and 241 00:13:34,410 --> 00:13:37,200 so if you'd like to participate in this test and I would like 242 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:39,210 everyone to do that you don't have to do it now you can go 243 00:13:39,210 --> 00:13:41,910 back because we want to do it in like just a minute from now. 244 00:13:42,930 --> 00:13:47,040 Please try out curio caster and you can use curio caster on the 245 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:50,400 web on your phone. You don't have to install an app you can 246 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:53,790 connect your get Albie wallet to it's all very simple. And I 247 00:13:53,790 --> 00:13:59,310 would like you to test it out. We're gonna play a song and when 248 00:13:59,340 --> 00:14:02,640 this song plays now not in the live version, although of course 249 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:07,590 Stephen Bell says I'm working on that too. Of course he is so it 250 00:14:07,590 --> 00:14:11,010 won't work if you're listening live right now. But and even if 251 00:14:11,010 --> 00:14:13,740 you are listening live go back later and around 15 minutes 252 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:18,090 check out check out the song What should happen and feel free 253 00:14:18,090 --> 00:14:22,260 to boost give a boost to Graham what should happen is 95% of all 254 00:14:22,260 --> 00:14:26,730 of that of those streaming value for value payments will go to 255 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:30,150 the remote item which in this case would be the song the 256 00:14:30,150 --> 00:14:36,030 remote song to the splits in in that value block. Did I make 257 00:14:36,030 --> 00:14:36,570 that clear? 258 00:14:37,710 --> 00:14:39,720 Dave Jones: I'd have no idea what you're talking about. So to 259 00:14:39,750 --> 00:14:45,270 let you explain from explain from the beginning of what was 260 00:14:46,500 --> 00:14:50,100 so if curious of curio caster I'm just trying to get my 261 00:14:50,100 --> 00:14:53,220 bearings straight after I've tried to I've tried to not keep 262 00:14:53,220 --> 00:14:55,830 up with a logo and most of what y'all are doing it's okay I can 263 00:14:55,860 --> 00:15:01,290 come fresh. Okay, so So this secure Rio Castro obviously eats 264 00:15:01,290 --> 00:15:05,880 these tags. Yes, correct. And so it is going to understand what 265 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:09,990 it's seeing when you play later when later someone plays back 266 00:15:09,990 --> 00:15:16,200 this episode. And it is going to be in the feed, there's going to 267 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:23,700 be these new remote. That value time split tags correct. And so 268 00:15:24,150 --> 00:15:27,420 the is what curio cast, to my understanding what curio caster 269 00:15:27,420 --> 00:15:31,710 is going to be doing is gonna be looking for those timestamps to 270 00:15:31,710 --> 00:15:34,980 start. And when that happens, 271 00:15:35,460 --> 00:15:38,580 Adam Curry: yeah, when the player hits the timestamp, at 272 00:15:38,580 --> 00:15:41,580 that point, anything that the player is sending in a payment, 273 00:15:41,580 --> 00:15:44,220 whether it's a streaming per minute payment, or a booster 274 00:15:44,220 --> 00:15:50,310 booster gram will now use a different value block, it'll use 275 00:15:50,310 --> 00:15:54,780 the value block of that, of that, in this case, Song comm. 276 00:15:54,810 --> 00:15:58,830 And it will actually just just to be super cool, it will 277 00:15:58,830 --> 00:16:03,390 actually split that and give 95% to that value block, which will 278 00:16:03,390 --> 00:16:06,960 then be split amongst its own parameters. I don't know how 279 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:11,640 many different splits are in there. And then 5% stays with 280 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:16,110 me, mainly because it's my show. And secondly, so I can also 281 00:16:16,110 --> 00:16:19,620 track what the what people are sending, but I will only get 5% 282 00:16:19,620 --> 00:16:24,180 and the end the 95% that would have gone to my splits. Now go 283 00:16:24,540 --> 00:16:25,590 to the remote item. 284 00:16:26,490 --> 00:16:31,800 Dave Jones: Okay, so this nut, I got you. So let me the value 285 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:34,050 time split tags, let me just jump over here. 286 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:38,220 Adam Curry: But just just to make a simple whenever I play a 287 00:16:38,220 --> 00:16:41,220 song on one of my podcasts now that song, of course has to be 288 00:16:41,220 --> 00:16:46,110 known to podcast index, which is easy to do. You know, you can 289 00:16:46,110 --> 00:16:50,580 upload your album, whenever I play a song 95% of anything that 290 00:16:50,580 --> 00:16:53,400 I would have normally received from people streaming or 291 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:56,610 boosting or booster grams will now go to the owner of the song 292 00:16:56,640 --> 00:16:59,730 and however they have their song, their their payments split 293 00:16:59,730 --> 00:17:00,060 up. 294 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:07,170 Dave Jones: And this is this is effectuated by a new, this new 295 00:17:07,170 --> 00:17:10,890 value time split tag which goes into the value block. 296 00:17:11,340 --> 00:17:13,290 Adam Curry: I don't know where it goes, I have no idea what it 297 00:17:13,290 --> 00:17:15,750 does. But I'm a podcaster I don't know what it's doing. 298 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:16,680 Right. So I 299 00:17:18,899 --> 00:17:21,989 Dave Jones: was doing okay, so there was this value time split 300 00:17:21,989 --> 00:17:26,309 tag is a new child item of the podcast value. So it's sort of a 301 00:17:26,609 --> 00:17:30,929 it's a sibling of value recipient. So it's in the value 302 00:17:30,929 --> 00:17:35,999 tag. And then and then it has a start time parameter, an 303 00:17:35,999 --> 00:17:39,869 attribute, a duration attribute and a remote percentage 304 00:17:40,049 --> 00:17:44,609 attribute. Right. So that's set to so like it will say like at 305 00:17:44,609 --> 00:17:50,069 start time, X number of seconds. Go get the remote, go get the 306 00:17:50,069 --> 00:17:53,699 value block out of this other feed item this other feed 307 00:17:53,699 --> 00:17:58,979 episode Yeah, suck it back in, begin using that for a duration 308 00:17:58,979 --> 00:18:03,749 of 237 seconds. And then at the end of that duration period 309 00:18:04,019 --> 00:18:09,989 flipped back to the standard valuable Correct. Killer Is that 310 00:18:09,989 --> 00:18:11,909 cool or what? Sweet. 311 00:18:12,330 --> 00:18:15,960 Adam Curry: So So again, I'd like everyone to make sure you 312 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:19,680 have curio caster, you probably got all that set. So when you 313 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:23,580 hear this in in post production, and the as a whole tool set 314 00:18:23,580 --> 00:18:27,990 forward and sovereign feeds, so I don't have to do a lot of work 315 00:18:27,990 --> 00:18:30,810 and I don't have to copy things manually. I just say okay. 316 00:18:33,270 --> 00:18:38,820 Dave Jones: I'm sorry, but this is gonna break so the most. This 317 00:18:38,820 --> 00:18:41,070 is the most interesting that we've ever done. 318 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:45,000 Adam Curry: I was thinking the same thing like this will not 319 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:47,520 work in any other podcasts that I'm gonna have be looking at. 320 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:51,120 I'm gonna be getting emails for weeks. Hey, man, dog catcher 321 00:18:51,120 --> 00:18:53,130 broke on your show, whatever your 322 00:18:53,460 --> 00:18:55,230 Dave Jones: dog catcher is gonna shut his pants. 323 00:18:57,210 --> 00:18:59,520 Adam Curry: Alright, so I was thinking, Who can we possibly 324 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:06,210 play that has has the music meet. So it also medium equals 325 00:19:06,210 --> 00:19:08,610 music. So the whole set it's official. You know, this 326 00:19:08,610 --> 00:19:11,550 actually comes from wave Lake, who we had on the show just a 327 00:19:11,550 --> 00:19:13,860 couple of weeks ago when we've talked like three weeks ago. 328 00:19:13,860 --> 00:19:18,390 We're talking about this. And it's Joe Martin. So Joe Martin 329 00:19:18,780 --> 00:19:21,630 already got into the fountain top 10 At some point because 330 00:19:21,630 --> 00:19:25,290 people were just finding his music on fountain. So now yeah, 331 00:19:25,290 --> 00:19:28,500 he's a pioneer. We want to you want to use him as as the 332 00:19:28,500 --> 00:19:32,670 pioneer scissor scissor experiment. Now, he has a new 333 00:19:32,670 --> 00:19:38,850 album out which is called Empty passenger seat. Now, now Joe is 334 00:19:38,850 --> 00:19:43,410 kind of a country guy. And like a lot of country songs and even 335 00:19:43,410 --> 00:19:48,180 the kind of the title suggests it is a lot of downer music. 336 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:57,240 Like yeah, I ran over my dog my girlfriend's gone. He literally 337 00:19:57,240 --> 00:20:00,180 has a song and there were some guys begging for money. He's 338 00:20:00,180 --> 00:20:03,690 like nah man I got no time for you I got no money for you I 339 00:20:03,690 --> 00:20:06,540 gotta go into my office he goes to the office he gets fired you 340 00:20:06,540 --> 00:20:10,710 know and then so oh yeah it's so anyway there's there's a couple 341 00:20:10,710 --> 00:20:15,450 songs on the album which are not depressing. So I chose one and 342 00:20:15,540 --> 00:20:19,650 so if all goes according to plan by at this point now the value 343 00:20:19,650 --> 00:20:23,070 block will have already switched over and that means anything you 344 00:20:23,070 --> 00:20:26,250 send in streaming payments or in booster booster gram will go to 345 00:20:26,250 --> 00:20:29,760 Joe Martin This is high gravity the first running with scissors 346 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:31,380 and podcasting 2.0 347 00:20:58,500 --> 00:20:59,070 Unknown: from 348 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:41,280 through the 349 00:21:46,290 --> 00:21:46,860 night 350 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:54,780 a shout at us. 351 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:18,930 Adam Curry: Joe Martin gravity high gravity keeps holding me 352 00:24:18,930 --> 00:24:22,890 down here on podcasting 2.0 I love doing that for the first 353 00:24:22,890 --> 00:24:26,160 time ever smash your champagne bottle please 354 00:24:27,300 --> 00:24:30,690 Dave Jones: So if what yeah what's gonna happen is you're 355 00:24:30,690 --> 00:24:33,720 gonna be getting you're gonna get a message a bunch of 356 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:35,730 messages tonight was there no show today 357 00:24:37,530 --> 00:24:39,600 Adam Curry: didn't show up in my it doesn't show up in my 358 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:41,130 podcast. What happened? 359 00:24:41,430 --> 00:24:45,150 Dave Jones: Yeah, or or the other alternative is that you're 360 00:24:45,180 --> 00:24:47,670 everybody's gonna be fine up until the moment that the music 361 00:24:47,670 --> 00:24:49,470 starts and then all the apps crash. 362 00:24:51,930 --> 00:24:54,120 Adam Curry: Thank you very much, Steven B for putting that 363 00:24:54,120 --> 00:24:59,610 together and I can't wait to see how it works out. I mean this we 364 00:24:59,610 --> 00:25:02,190 all agree This is what this show was for running with scissors. 365 00:25:03,270 --> 00:25:05,940 Dave Jones: This is this is our town records that we need 366 00:25:05,940 --> 00:25:09,090 scissor insurance. Yeah, I agree with him. Yeah, we totally do. 367 00:25:09,210 --> 00:25:11,670 What so what and Tim, tell me what you just did, though. So 368 00:25:11,670 --> 00:25:17,880 you in so in sovereign feeds, when you started the song, did 369 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:19,230 you hit the sync button? Oh, 370 00:25:19,260 --> 00:25:23,880 Adam Curry: no, no, I mean, that's. So Stephen B put 371 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:27,150 together a whole system that this is how you do it. And like, 372 00:25:27,180 --> 00:25:30,120 that's not how I'm going to do it. Because there's no way I 373 00:25:30,120 --> 00:25:32,490 mean, when I'm when I'm, when I'm getting ready, I'm getting 374 00:25:32,490 --> 00:25:35,820 ready to start the song. And I want to, you know, and I'm ready 375 00:25:35,820 --> 00:25:38,070 to start, I'm not gonna be hitting five buttons at the same 376 00:25:38,070 --> 00:25:41,820 time. So it's a little extra work for me with not much in 377 00:25:41,820 --> 00:25:46,590 post, when I have everything set up. There's a tab in sovereign 378 00:25:46,590 --> 00:25:52,260 feeds on second. And this top tab is value time split. And 379 00:25:52,260 --> 00:25:55,710 then I'll go in and I'll look for empty passenger seat. And 380 00:25:55,710 --> 00:25:59,460 then below, it'll, you can do pre production or post 381 00:25:59,460 --> 00:26:02,880 production. And below, it'll, it'll show the link to Episode 382 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:05,250 audio, which I'll have already up there. Just before I publish, 383 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:08,280 I've already uploaded the audio. And then there's a little player 384 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:13,050 and I'll go to you know, was it about 20 minutes or so. And then 385 00:26:13,050 --> 00:26:16,230 the minute I hit that song, that's when I'll set a mark and 386 00:26:16,230 --> 00:26:19,320 then and then that'll automatically, if all goes well 387 00:26:19,410 --> 00:26:22,440 put the value time split at that spot, and then I'll go to the 388 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:25,980 end. And then I'll click another button. And that's how it you 389 00:26:25,980 --> 00:26:28,140 know, it's almost like doing a chapter basically. 390 00:26:29,910 --> 00:26:33,270 Dave Jones: Okay, so you, the way you would do that is you 391 00:26:33,270 --> 00:26:37,950 would mark it in his Hindenburg. And then No, no, no, no, 392 00:26:37,950 --> 00:26:42,150 Adam Curry: no, I there's a little player. I just hit the 393 00:26:42,150 --> 00:26:43,770 player in sovereign feeds. 394 00:26:45,540 --> 00:26:49,170 Dave Jones: Oh, you're just listening back. So you kind of 395 00:26:49,170 --> 00:26:52,140 know where that Yeah. Okay, and I'm thinking of 396 00:26:52,710 --> 00:26:55,020 Adam Curry: everyone was trying to make it real easy. And it 397 00:26:55,020 --> 00:26:57,960 makes it real hard. Because I'm What about 398 00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:01,110 Dave Jones: live though, when that happens, has that has 399 00:27:01,140 --> 00:27:02,190 what's your workflow? I 400 00:27:02,190 --> 00:27:04,320 Adam Curry: have no idea what Steven B is going to do for 401 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:07,680 that. Now, in that case, I can imagine I would have to hit that 402 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:11,130 and hit something else. Which will suck, but we'll figure it 403 00:27:11,130 --> 00:27:15,630 out. Doesn't matter. I mean, so maybe if it's as simple as Okay, 404 00:27:15,630 --> 00:27:18,900 here's the three songs I'm going to play in this episode, right? 405 00:27:19,410 --> 00:27:22,200 And that little interface, and I start the song and all I have to 406 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:26,760 do I pre loaded the songs. I just hit a little button, and 407 00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:29,940 then it's good to go. And that might work. We'll figure it out. 408 00:27:30,360 --> 00:27:35,040 Yeah, let's get this. Let's let's break this part first. Oh, 409 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:37,860 it's already broken. It's already working break anything 410 00:27:37,860 --> 00:27:40,500 else. I'd like to bring our guest in who has been patiently 411 00:27:40,500 --> 00:27:43,260 waiting and listening to all this nonsense that we've been 412 00:27:43,260 --> 00:27:46,320 spewing, but he is a guy who lives on the bleeding edge of 413 00:27:46,470 --> 00:27:50,700 running with scissors himself. We love him. You know him from 414 00:27:50,970 --> 00:27:55,140 the pod news weekly review. You know him from river radio. You 415 00:27:55,140 --> 00:27:56,970 might know him from the army. You might know him from 416 00:27:56,970 --> 00:28:01,350 Microsoft from Netscape. You know, maybe he's related to you. 417 00:28:01,380 --> 00:28:04,380 I don't know. But he's the CEO, pod fans, ladies and gentlemen, 418 00:28:04,410 --> 00:28:08,040 say hello to Sam says, hey, hey, 419 00:28:08,460 --> 00:28:10,860 Dave Jones: wow. My third cousin. Yeah. 420 00:28:11,670 --> 00:28:15,180 Unknown: We're all Indians. Were all related. Y'all 421 00:28:15,180 --> 00:28:17,700 Adam Curry: Brahmins all of you. We are. That's it? 422 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:20,160 Unknown: That's it. Everything is a little gene 423 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:24,660 Dave Jones: oncology, that you I mean, yeah, you have a pod fans 424 00:28:24,660 --> 00:28:27,450 is just one is basically just one huge pair of scissors, 425 00:28:27,450 --> 00:28:27,750 right? 426 00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:30,690 Unknown: Oh, completely. I just listened to your show. And then 427 00:28:30,690 --> 00:28:34,290 I now have to go away and fix remote items. Thanks. 428 00:28:34,860 --> 00:28:38,100 Adam Curry: Well, I will say, you know, I was listening to the 429 00:28:38,100 --> 00:28:41,880 show last week, and all I heard was, Oh, that's too hard. I'm 430 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,700 not gonna do that. What curry What is he thinking about? 431 00:28:46,140 --> 00:28:49,140 Unknown: Yeah, well, that's true. I mean, literally, I've 432 00:28:49,140 --> 00:28:52,860 just listened to that. And I'm with Dave. I mean, really? How's 433 00:28:52,860 --> 00:28:56,070 that going to be implemented? So over to Steven B. And then when 434 00:28:56,070 --> 00:28:58,590 he's fixed it, I'll follow. Yeah, I think that's the best 435 00:28:58,590 --> 00:28:59,370 way. Yeah. 436 00:28:59,429 --> 00:29:02,519 Adam Curry: I mean, I also have no idea how he makes all this 437 00:29:02,519 --> 00:29:04,739 work. And we're just gonna presume that it did work at 438 00:29:04,739 --> 00:29:10,769 least Securio Kassar and we'll see how that went. But Sam, it's 439 00:29:10,769 --> 00:29:13,079 so nice to have you on that. We have lots of talk about 440 00:29:13,079 --> 00:29:16,289 particularly about pod fans. I do want everyone to know that. 441 00:29:17,219 --> 00:29:21,419 Sam has a lot of depth. So Sam, and I didn't realize I just 442 00:29:21,419 --> 00:29:25,649 sighs me I was shallow Indian dude. But when when I heard you 443 00:29:25,649 --> 00:29:31,049 on mere mortals podcast was Kyron. To you got quite a life. 444 00:29:31,409 --> 00:29:32,969 You've been around? 445 00:29:33,570 --> 00:29:36,540 Unknown: Well, I mean, I'm the same age as you, Adam. And you 446 00:29:36,540 --> 00:29:39,570 know, you know, we've had a life Haven't we both of us? 447 00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:42,000 Adam Curry: Yeah. No, you started in the army, I believe. 448 00:29:42,630 --> 00:29:43,500 Yeah, I 449 00:29:43,530 --> 00:29:46,260 Unknown: straight out of school went into Sandhurst, which is 450 00:29:46,260 --> 00:29:48,960 the Military Academy, I suppose the equivalent of West Point. 451 00:29:49,020 --> 00:29:51,990 And yeah, I did that because I didn't really know what else to 452 00:29:51,990 --> 00:29:55,530 do. I like just running. I was like the Forrest Gump of life 453 00:29:55,530 --> 00:29:57,810 and I just ran around fields and jumping out of planes. That's 454 00:29:57,810 --> 00:29:58,200 what I did. 455 00:29:58,230 --> 00:30:00,000 Adam Curry: Did you do actual parachuting and stuff? 456 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:01,560 Dave Jones: we'd be able to talk about. So 457 00:35:01,650 --> 00:35:04,890 Adam Curry: beyond the bullshit Sam edit, I heard as an edit 458 00:35:04,890 --> 00:35:08,850 right there. What did he say? What did he say that got taken 459 00:35:08,850 --> 00:35:09,270 out? 460 00:35:09,539 --> 00:35:12,599 Unknown: He said, I can't call today do this. Yeah, they don't 461 00:35:12,599 --> 00:35:17,159 not gonna do value for value at all. They will never do because 462 00:35:17,159 --> 00:35:20,939 it destroys their current business is the innovators 463 00:35:20,939 --> 00:35:25,109 dilemma, they currently have an advertising play. That's all 464 00:35:25,109 --> 00:35:27,959 they're focused on, they will never support value for value 465 00:35:28,020 --> 00:35:30,360 Adam Curry: in and that is, and that leads into my second clip, 466 00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:34,440 which is not a question but just I just felt, actually I felt bad 467 00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:37,920 for for Chris, because I know he's a technology guy. And I 468 00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:40,920 kind of feel bad for us. Because when we when you ask about some 469 00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:45,450 of the some of the basic tags that we've been that we've had 470 00:35:45,450 --> 00:35:50,400 implemented for, you know, two years now, they really can't do 471 00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:52,320 them. It's 40 seconds. So I'll just play this, 472 00:35:52,349 --> 00:35:55,649 Dave Jones: I mentioned the transcript tag being difficult 473 00:35:55,649 --> 00:35:59,819 to implement in RSS feeds. Another example is chapters 474 00:35:59,819 --> 00:36:04,589 where we do support 83 V two chapters with dynamic audio. But 475 00:36:04,769 --> 00:36:08,279 it would be impossible for us to implement that at the feed 476 00:36:08,279 --> 00:36:10,949 level, because we don't have any idea at the time that the feed 477 00:36:10,949 --> 00:36:13,799 is generated, where those timestamps are going to be. 478 00:36:14,129 --> 00:36:18,839 Right. So I think that input can come later. From my perspective. 479 00:36:19,139 --> 00:36:21,629 I don't know if that answers your question. But we're 480 00:36:21,629 --> 00:36:25,259 excited. Like we are absolutely watching and aware of the work 481 00:36:25,259 --> 00:36:28,739 that's going on, it's moving at a pace that I think is really 482 00:36:28,739 --> 00:36:31,109 exciting. And I don't want to slow it. 483 00:36:32,460 --> 00:36:34,980 Adam Curry: So I'm bummed out about that, you know, so because 484 00:36:34,980 --> 00:36:37,560 here's advertising, screwing everything up. And it's 485 00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:40,050 literally because of the dynamically inserted ads that 486 00:36:40,050 --> 00:36:43,890 they and their system, I guess, that they can't do this is a 487 00:36:43,890 --> 00:36:44,580 bummer. 488 00:36:45,449 --> 00:36:47,789 Unknown: Well, I mean, they should talk to Buzzsprout. 489 00:36:47,789 --> 00:36:50,099 Really, because Buzzsprout have managed to do dynamic ad 490 00:36:50,099 --> 00:36:54,629 insertion and also get chapter Yeah, working? Yeah. It's 491 00:36:54,629 --> 00:36:57,089 technically possible. They just aren't doing it. And I don't 492 00:36:57,089 --> 00:36:58,439 know why they're not doing well. 493 00:37:00,150 --> 00:37:03,210 Dave Jones: I think I understand why, as I think I understand why 494 00:37:03,210 --> 00:37:07,380 it's because the most of Buzzsprout did it in house. 495 00:37:07,470 --> 00:37:10,740 Yeah, they did it in house they had they get to design it the 496 00:37:10,740 --> 00:37:13,620 way they exactly the way that it needed to be in order for 497 00:37:13,620 --> 00:37:16,800 everything to work correctly. All their all their dynamic ad 498 00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:21,990 insertion happens on their own system. And then but most of 499 00:37:21,990 --> 00:37:25,350 these other hosting companies that are doing Dai, they 500 00:37:25,350 --> 00:37:29,250 outsource that to a third party. So they just send the audio to 501 00:37:29,250 --> 00:37:32,910 the third party has the DI put in in in their site, and then 502 00:37:32,910 --> 00:37:34,500 they and then they get it back. 503 00:37:34,739 --> 00:37:37,979 Unknown: So I mean, a cos big enough to do it in house say, 504 00:37:38,130 --> 00:37:40,380 Dave Jones: Oh, they're totally they're totally and but here's 505 00:37:40,410 --> 00:37:42,480 here's where the here's where the rubber meets the road, 506 00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:46,530 though I think it's not, it's not that they can't work with or 507 00:37:46,530 --> 00:37:51,780 third party is that I think the DI the cost of di the margin is 508 00:37:51,780 --> 00:37:55,890 so thin on it. They don't want they want to spend as little 509 00:37:55,890 --> 00:37:59,280 time as they want this thing built and done so that they 510 00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:02,640 don't ever have to see it again. The more time they spend 511 00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:05,940 tweaking this and making it work better. They lose money. 512 00:38:06,329 --> 00:38:09,029 Adam Curry: Yeah, I agree. And also, I learned on that same 513 00:38:09,029 --> 00:38:13,139 episode of which was this week's episode of pod news weekly 514 00:38:13,139 --> 00:38:17,339 review. I learned YouTube podcast is a flop Well, duh. But 515 00:38:17,339 --> 00:38:21,209 I also learned that programmatic ads are basically inferior to 516 00:38:21,209 --> 00:38:24,449 host read ads, and there's no money is sucks. There's no 517 00:38:24,449 --> 00:38:27,029 margin and everyone's moving away from it 518 00:38:27,750 --> 00:38:31,080 Unknown: completely. Look, we all three and everyone else 519 00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:34,380 who's listening know that this is just a time sink between 520 00:38:34,710 --> 00:38:39,150 programmatic ads and advertising just being removed. I often say, 521 00:38:39,180 --> 00:38:41,280 you know, if you had Dark Side of the Moon, you wouldn't 522 00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:43,770 suddenly have an ad halfway through Pink Floyd. 523 00:38:48,270 --> 00:38:52,080 Adam Curry: It would be very funny. To go more flipping out 524 00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:57,450 over that. Yeah, exactly. And while you're a fan of the I'm 525 00:38:57,450 --> 00:38:58,230 sorry, Dave, go ahead. 526 00:38:58,679 --> 00:39:01,739 Dave Jones: No, I was just gonna say that. I think the way that 527 00:39:01,739 --> 00:39:05,159 you phrase that is right. I think this is like a, we're in a 528 00:39:05,159 --> 00:39:12,089 strange Limbo zone. I think what ultimately happens is Alvin 529 00:39:12,089 --> 00:39:15,059 Brooks sent me an email this this week, and he said, Hey, I 530 00:39:15,059 --> 00:39:17,879 just wanted to draw your attention to this boost we got. 531 00:39:18,299 --> 00:39:23,009 And so I went and listened to that clip on the bus cast. And 532 00:39:23,459 --> 00:39:27,749 it was this podcaster had written into them and said, 533 00:39:27,780 --> 00:39:30,930 Unknown: hey, you know, amazing, wasn't it? Yeah, yeah. She said, 534 00:39:31,260 --> 00:39:34,740 Dave Jones: I just wish my biggest regret is I wish I had 535 00:39:34,740 --> 00:39:38,820 done subscriptions earlier, so that I could start getting 536 00:39:38,820 --> 00:39:44,850 money, value for value thing going earlier with my audience 537 00:39:44,850 --> 00:39:48,780 so that I was not so dependent on advertising. And I think that 538 00:39:48,780 --> 00:39:51,300 that's that's really what ultimately this comes down to is 539 00:39:51,300 --> 00:39:54,420 where we're going. This is an interim period, where 540 00:39:54,420 --> 00:39:58,950 advertising still sort of, you know, still pays the bills for 541 00:39:58,950 --> 00:40:03,990 the top one. percent or less of podcasting, but ultimately these 542 00:40:03,990 --> 00:40:07,860 smaller niche markets, niche market podcasts, they're just 543 00:40:07,860 --> 00:40:11,340 going to, I mean, like this one, this is as bad as niche as you 544 00:40:11,340 --> 00:40:15,750 could possibly get this is, this is three levels of niche. And 545 00:40:15,750 --> 00:40:20,580 you have those people starting out those types of podcasts, I 546 00:40:20,580 --> 00:40:24,060 think from they're just going to go to a value for value or 547 00:40:24,060 --> 00:40:29,130 subscription or some direct to audience support from day one. I 548 00:40:29,130 --> 00:40:32,340 mean, I just I think, I think the whole the term podcast 549 00:40:32,340 --> 00:40:35,700 industrial complex is so accurate on so many levels. 550 00:40:36,270 --> 00:40:41,040 Because it it really is there's this entire thing out there that 551 00:40:41,100 --> 00:40:47,190 is working on advertising. And then there's the other 98% of 552 00:40:47,250 --> 00:40:50,430 podcasting. That's just not applicable, 553 00:40:50,489 --> 00:40:54,689 Adam Curry: did you? Since you brought it up, we put the the 554 00:40:54,689 --> 00:40:58,049 adjustment to value for VAT, the value block width equals auto 555 00:40:58,079 --> 00:41:03,689 for for the periodic payments. Have we put that in yet? 556 00:41:04,289 --> 00:41:09,239 Dave Jones: Yep. So I made three I made three tweaks to the to 557 00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:13,919 the to V Spec this past week, two weeks of lost track of time 558 00:41:13,919 --> 00:41:20,519 says we missed a show. Yeah. Yeah. So there's now an auto. So 559 00:41:20,519 --> 00:41:24,719 yes, Stream Boost in auto. And I want to clarify on the auto says 560 00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:29,309 this, this is applicable to pod fans, all this stuff is going to 561 00:41:29,309 --> 00:41:33,359 clarify on the auto, you know, so take a take an app like pod 562 00:41:33,359 --> 00:41:36,899 fans, it's well, it's it's a progressive, it's a progressive 563 00:41:36,899 --> 00:41:40,409 web app rights and yep, correct. Okay, yeah. So so you're gonna 564 00:41:40,409 --> 00:41:43,889 have it's essentially a web experience. So you're not going 565 00:41:43,889 --> 00:41:48,359 to have a bag of background process that's able to run, 566 00:41:48,779 --> 00:41:51,629 perhaps you will, if you have a service worker on and it's 567 00:41:51,629 --> 00:41:55,019 installed as a PWA on a mobile device, but that's going to be 568 00:41:55,229 --> 00:42:00,269 heavily restricted by though s it regardless. So your take your 569 00:42:00,269 --> 00:42:03,089 baseline level of something, just you're going to the website 570 00:42:03,089 --> 00:42:10,439 to, to play with POD fans, if you set up an auto, so this, 571 00:42:10,469 --> 00:42:14,129 this is in the payment, if you say okay, I want to support. 572 00:42:14,369 --> 00:42:17,309 Essentially, this is a subscription. I want to support 573 00:42:17,609 --> 00:42:25,079 pod news weekly review with 20,000 20,000 SATs a month. And 574 00:42:26,669 --> 00:42:31,409 so the app at that point says okay, every, whatever day of the 575 00:42:31,409 --> 00:42:35,339 month, fifth day for the 15th of each month, I'm going to send 576 00:42:35,639 --> 00:42:42,449 20,000 SAS to pod news weekly review. Well, that in an ideal 577 00:42:42,449 --> 00:42:47,189 environment, that would be sent automatically in the background 578 00:42:47,999 --> 00:42:51,629 for an app like pod fans, or POF, as you know, actually may 579 00:42:51,629 --> 00:42:54,269 not be the best exam because y'all do have a back end. So 580 00:42:54,269 --> 00:42:56,849 take something that doesn't have a back end. That's just purely 581 00:42:57,329 --> 00:42:59,669 like cast thematic, that's a better example. Cast thematic 582 00:43:00,089 --> 00:43:04,589 cosmetic has no back end, every installed app is its own island. 583 00:43:05,069 --> 00:43:10,889 So in that regard, Casta medics not going to be able to sort of 584 00:43:11,489 --> 00:43:17,099 reliably wake up in send a payment, it might be able to, 585 00:43:17,099 --> 00:43:21,719 but you can't depend on it. So really, the spec is it's auto, 586 00:43:22,439 --> 00:43:27,509 but it allows flexibility for to basically just say, hey, app, do 587 00:43:27,509 --> 00:43:31,289 the best you can to send this payment on this time. So you 588 00:43:31,289 --> 00:43:34,709 know, if if it ends up that you can't send it until just the 589 00:43:34,709 --> 00:43:37,829 next time the app is open, that's fine. Just do the math 590 00:43:37,829 --> 00:43:42,539 and send it but you just want to send it as often as you can. So 591 00:43:43,049 --> 00:43:45,749 I wanted to make sure that people understood that that auto 592 00:43:46,469 --> 00:43:51,299 payment is not, it's not some sort of some sort of required 593 00:43:51,299 --> 00:43:54,839 thing where you have to send it at any exact point in time. It's 594 00:43:54,839 --> 00:43:56,399 more like the streaming spec. 595 00:43:56,429 --> 00:43:58,559 Adam Curry: Yeah, so it's like everything we do, it might might 596 00:43:58,559 --> 00:43:59,189 not work. 597 00:43:59,670 --> 00:44:05,490 Dave Jones: It might. It's, it's maybe not that squishy. But it's 598 00:44:05,490 --> 00:44:09,690 more like, you know how with the streaming thing, if you get in 599 00:44:09,690 --> 00:44:13,350 the elevator and you lose connection, the app will just 600 00:44:13,350 --> 00:44:16,170 stack the payments up, right? And the next time that it gets a 601 00:44:16,170 --> 00:44:19,650 connection, that's that's this sort of thing. Does that make 602 00:44:19,650 --> 00:44:19,950 sense? 603 00:44:19,949 --> 00:44:24,569 Adam Curry: Yeah. And so thank you. Has everyone implemented it 604 00:44:24,569 --> 00:44:25,049 yet? 605 00:44:26,940 --> 00:44:33,060 Unknown: Can I can I change that slightly we have. So we've done 606 00:44:33,060 --> 00:44:35,970 it slightly differently. So you know, I've sent you emails in 607 00:44:35,970 --> 00:44:39,960 the background, and we value every show in every episode, 608 00:44:40,230 --> 00:44:44,280 with a default 100 SATs per minute streaming until the host 609 00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:47,820 claims it when they claim it they can change that value, but 610 00:44:47,820 --> 00:44:50,220 let's assume they haven't claimed it so we create virtual 611 00:44:50,220 --> 00:44:54,480 wallets. Now we've created the ability that when you become a 612 00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:58,740 fan important, which is just basically subscribe, you in your 613 00:44:58,740 --> 00:45:01,440 settings have an option you can instead of a budget of, I'm 614 00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:04,350 going to only spend 100,000 SATs this month. That's all I want to 615 00:45:04,350 --> 00:45:07,800 spend on my listening. But you can flick a switch between 616 00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:11,700 streaming and supported. And when you click it to support it 617 00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:16,560 any time any show that you've become a fan of the drops in new 618 00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:20,820 episode, we will automatically pay the value of that full 619 00:45:20,820 --> 00:45:22,770 episode to the host. 620 00:45:23,460 --> 00:45:26,430 Adam Curry: I love this stuff. I think that you know, all of that 621 00:45:26,430 --> 00:45:29,670 is good. But you're you're doing a whole you're got you've gone 622 00:45:29,670 --> 00:45:33,450 way beyond what anyone's ever maybe should backup and explain 623 00:45:33,450 --> 00:45:36,990 what you're doing. Because you have a totally different model 624 00:45:37,020 --> 00:45:38,520 using the same elements. 625 00:45:39,330 --> 00:45:43,020 Unknown: Yeah, so we've taken what you guys have given us, 626 00:45:43,020 --> 00:45:45,900 which has value for value. And we've said, Look, we fully 627 00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:49,800 support that. So we've got three levels. So we said, look, every 628 00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:54,240 show that we ingest into our curated database has to have a 629 00:45:54,240 --> 00:45:57,750 default value. And that default value is 100 minutes set by me. 630 00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:02,160 And I can change that if I want you and Dave could claim 631 00:46:02,460 --> 00:46:06,600 podcasting index to Dotto, and you could go in and you can set 632 00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:09,780 your own value for whatever you want. That's great. And you set 633 00:46:09,780 --> 00:46:14,880 it to 201,010 sets per minute, whatever you want to do. The 634 00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:18,990 user at the end still has that final say so they can go in and 635 00:46:18,990 --> 00:46:22,710 they can say I love what Adam and Dave have set as a value. 636 00:46:22,710 --> 00:46:26,160 But I'm going to change that to higher or lower or zero even 637 00:46:26,370 --> 00:46:29,670 they can say I don't want to pay you anything. So you've got that 638 00:46:29,670 --> 00:46:34,620 full flexibility. But as I said, with supported, it's the ability 639 00:46:34,620 --> 00:46:38,190 for the user to go into their own profile and say, Look, I 640 00:46:38,190 --> 00:46:42,420 want to actually pay whatever David Adams set as the value and 641 00:46:42,420 --> 00:46:46,500 the way we work out that value. Is it 100 SATs per minute times 642 00:46:46,500 --> 00:46:49,680 the time now with this live show that we're looking we're 643 00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:53,670 currently on now. You Adam have set the time for two hours. 644 00:46:53,940 --> 00:46:57,930 Yeah, we know that in the lit tag, it's two hours, times 100 645 00:46:57,930 --> 00:47:00,600 sites per minute. So I'm literally looking at pod vana as 646 00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:03,690 I'm playing it in the background and streaming it. And I'm seeing 647 00:47:03,690 --> 00:47:08,100 the value dropping as I listened in live, because I'm I'm 648 00:47:08,100 --> 00:47:12,810 consuming right so I've consumed 39 minutes so far. And I'm 649 00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:16,380 literally going through it. Now if I set that to support it, 650 00:47:16,410 --> 00:47:19,950 what would happen would be it would say Adams set that for two 651 00:47:19,950 --> 00:47:24,660 hours times the time, right? Pay that full 12,000 SATs straight 652 00:47:24,660 --> 00:47:28,050 out the bat, I wouldn't even have to worry about it. And then 653 00:47:28,050 --> 00:47:31,860 the value that I'm got in front of me on my dashboard is set to 654 00:47:31,860 --> 00:47:35,940 zero as a user, because I've already paid that shows. Oh, 655 00:47:35,940 --> 00:47:39,480 okay, interesting. So, and then when I replay it, I don't pay 656 00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:43,260 again, is set to zero. So I've I've consumed the value by 657 00:47:43,260 --> 00:47:46,860 saying yeah, Adam, Dave, I love you. And if I didn't even listen 658 00:47:46,860 --> 00:47:49,260 to the show, I've paid for it. But if I do then want to go back 659 00:47:49,260 --> 00:47:51,870 and listen to it. Guess what? I've already paid or just 660 00:47:51,870 --> 00:47:52,680 listened for zero. 661 00:47:53,789 --> 00:47:56,129 Dave Jones: Okay, so that's yeah, that is a different take. 662 00:47:56,129 --> 00:48:00,659 So you instead of saying I'm gonna support, that's an EP, 663 00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:04,769 that's like a call. That's like an Yeah, and like an output 664 00:48:04,799 --> 00:48:09,269 based based payment where you're saying, I'm going to support 665 00:48:09,269 --> 00:48:11,519 you. But I'm only going to support you when you give me 666 00:48:11,519 --> 00:48:14,879 content. Like yeah, when you evaluate Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm 667 00:48:14,879 --> 00:48:20,069 not gonna say I'm not just gonna send you payments, regardless of 668 00:48:20,099 --> 00:48:24,389 the time of what you put out, or if you go on hiatus for six 669 00:48:24,419 --> 00:48:28,409 months, I've got to go remember to unsubscribe, I can just, I'm 670 00:48:28,409 --> 00:48:33,179 just gonna say okay, every time I listen to you guys, um, you 671 00:48:33,179 --> 00:48:38,189 know, I'm willing to give you 20 bucks or 10 bucks. You can say, 672 00:48:38,189 --> 00:48:40,379 Okay, well, what is that in SATs? Well, then I'm just going 673 00:48:40,379 --> 00:48:42,869 to put that every time an episode drops, boom, you get it? 674 00:48:43,349 --> 00:48:45,389 Yeah, that's an interesting idea. I like that. Yeah. 675 00:48:46,590 --> 00:48:51,750 Adam Curry: So. So where are you at now? Exactly. With pod fans, 676 00:48:51,750 --> 00:48:55,230 because you've you've announced pod fans a lot of times. Yep. 677 00:48:55,350 --> 00:49:01,770 And I tried to claim Well, I had I tried to log in and something 678 00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:04,680 went wrong. You said no, no, we're resetting that. So just 679 00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:07,320 tell me where you're at, because I kind of want to play around 680 00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:07,680 with it. 681 00:49:08,699 --> 00:49:13,019 Unknown: So what we've we did this week was we've put a 682 00:49:13,049 --> 00:49:18,989 complete onboarding gamification help system. So we realize that 683 00:49:18,989 --> 00:49:21,239 what we've developed is something quite complex to the 684 00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:24,629 average user. So you land on it, and it's like, shit, where do I 685 00:49:24,629 --> 00:49:28,559 go? How do I get to whatever I want to do? So what we've done 686 00:49:28,559 --> 00:49:31,559 is because we've got a gamification in the system 687 00:49:31,559 --> 00:49:36,479 anyway, every screen you land on, so you, like login, claim 688 00:49:36,479 --> 00:49:40,559 your wallet. Guess what? You've earned a couple of 1000 SATs now 689 00:49:40,589 --> 00:49:43,499 do these three tasks, you answer more on every page you go to. 690 00:49:43,949 --> 00:49:47,039 It's there simply to teach you what's on that page and how to 691 00:49:47,039 --> 00:49:51,359 use it while earning SATs. So I was hoping today to catch you 692 00:49:51,359 --> 00:49:55,259 before the show and actually get you both to claim your show. And 693 00:49:55,259 --> 00:49:57,119 then you would have seen it for yourself. 694 00:49:57,510 --> 00:50:02,910 Adam Curry: We're way, way too busy. Yeah. We have much bigger 695 00:50:02,910 --> 00:50:04,050 meetings going on. 696 00:50:05,309 --> 00:50:08,339 Unknown: But to answer your question that and directly Yeah, 697 00:50:08,369 --> 00:50:15,029 we are ready as of Monday to go live. We are fully baked. So we 698 00:50:15,029 --> 00:50:18,779 added ice to coffee to cool future features this week that 699 00:50:18,779 --> 00:50:23,909 you might love. One is CO listening. And this is, again 700 00:50:23,909 --> 00:50:27,749 with live is going to be brilliant. So what happens is, I 701 00:50:27,749 --> 00:50:30,899 might if when Adam and Dave join, I might look at Adams 702 00:50:30,899 --> 00:50:35,009 profile, it says he's listening to the podcast in Tudor Osho. I 703 00:50:35,009 --> 00:50:37,799 click on a button right next to what it says he's listened to. 704 00:50:37,799 --> 00:50:39,779 And I jumped to exactly the same time. 705 00:50:41,460 --> 00:50:43,050 Adam Curry: Yeah, party listening. Sure. 706 00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:46,950 Unknown: And then on the episode page, it then shows my avatar 707 00:50:46,980 --> 00:50:50,700 appear next to your avatar. So you then suddenly see that I've 708 00:50:50,700 --> 00:50:53,850 just joined with you. And we're listening at the same point. And 709 00:50:53,850 --> 00:50:56,040 then we could start boosting together we start commenting, we 710 00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:58,500 have a threaded conversation, whatever we want to do. I think 711 00:50:58,500 --> 00:50:59,250 that's illegal in 712 00:50:59,250 --> 00:51:01,350 Adam Curry: America boosting, I think 713 00:51:03,780 --> 00:51:05,490 Dave Jones: only in Utah, some 714 00:51:05,489 --> 00:51:08,699 Unknown: laws against that. So that was one of the things we 715 00:51:08,699 --> 00:51:12,269 added this week. And then the other one was on the homepage. 716 00:51:12,269 --> 00:51:16,229 We've now we had default carousel. So in your mind, if 717 00:51:16,229 --> 00:51:20,219 you think of Netflix and these carousels of podcasts or films 718 00:51:20,249 --> 00:51:23,429 Netflix case, they were all static in the sense that we 719 00:51:23,429 --> 00:51:26,519 would only we would pre program what you were looking at in a 720 00:51:26,519 --> 00:51:30,749 carousel so it might be recently added new. Then the five top 721 00:51:30,749 --> 00:51:35,249 Apple categories like comedy, thriller, whatever. So now in 722 00:51:35,249 --> 00:51:38,009 your settings, you can go and choose any category you like. 723 00:51:38,009 --> 00:51:41,009 And then the homepage just converts to that category for 724 00:51:41,009 --> 00:51:41,999 whatever you wanted to look at. 725 00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:45,570 Adam Curry: And what is the URL Sam for everybody? 726 00:51:46,619 --> 00:51:48,389 Unknown: Pod fans.fm 727 00:51:48,929 --> 00:51:53,429 Adam Curry: Die expensive. swanky. We can't We can't afford 728 00:51:53,429 --> 00:51:56,459 the dot FM's man, those things are expensive. What a racket 729 00:51:56,459 --> 00:52:02,309 that guy's got going on. Some dude who's in the radio 730 00:52:02,309 --> 00:52:05,369 business, he was really smart. And it's like, it's really it's 731 00:52:05,369 --> 00:52:08,489 literally like a couple 100 bucks a year, I think, isn't it? 732 00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:10,559 Dave Jones: That much. It's like 100 733 00:52:10,559 --> 00:52:14,009 Unknown: bucks. And you remember when we had a long conversation 734 00:52:14,009 --> 00:52:14,459 last year 735 00:52:14,489 --> 00:52:16,649 Adam Curry: about doing this? Yeah, about doing this 736 00:52:17,219 --> 00:52:19,079 Unknown: dot pod fat podcast, 737 00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:21,780 Adam Curry: where we talked about about doing that. And then 738 00:52:21,780 --> 00:52:24,870 it turns out, you know, you got to have several million dollars 739 00:52:24,870 --> 00:52:27,840 to show that you're serious. And you got to be up to set all this 740 00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:32,520 stuff up like and Exactly. And you know, do we really want to 741 00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:35,910 make that our business? Success? It sounds boring. 742 00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:40,800 Dave Jones: So the let me throw this. I'm trying to find stuff 743 00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:44,010 that you have not because you're you're basically you're the 744 00:52:44,010 --> 00:52:48,960 you're this, you're the Steven B of A pod fans, because you're as 745 00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:49,470 soon as we 746 00:52:49,469 --> 00:52:52,589 Adam Curry: wait, wait, wait, listen to this. Dave, stop. What 747 00:52:52,739 --> 00:52:56,219 I'm looking at the homepage. were quoted on this thing. 748 00:52:56,489 --> 00:52:59,039 Unknown: Yeah, you Oh, good. Well, I've 749 00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:03,930 Adam Curry: heard Dave Jones the pod sage podcast index ready. 750 00:53:03,930 --> 00:53:06,630 Want to hear what you said. Now I want to I don't remember what 751 00:53:06,630 --> 00:53:10,620 I said. I was blown away when I away. I was blown away when I 752 00:53:10,620 --> 00:53:14,880 saw the pod fans for the pod fans for the first time. It 753 00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:17,520 literally had every feature we've been working on for two 754 00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:20,850 years wrapped up into a beautiful, beautifully done UI. 755 00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:25,110 I can't wait to see it hit the market. Nice to say that. All 756 00:53:25,110 --> 00:53:28,170 right. Let me see what I said. Adam curry the pod father 757 00:53:28,170 --> 00:53:31,890 podcast index, pod fans brings together the most exciting 758 00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:35,670 elements of podcasting 2.0 and gamifies. The V four v Community 759 00:53:35,670 --> 00:53:38,640 System, I could not have wished for a better experience for this 760 00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:42,060 next generation of podcast experiences. 761 00:53:42,929 --> 00:53:44,519 Dave Jones: We sound good I want you to do 762 00:53:46,079 --> 00:53:47,789 Adam Curry: really good on this. All right. 763 00:53:48,119 --> 00:53:49,709 Dave Jones: It's like I have a copy editors. 764 00:53:51,179 --> 00:53:53,519 Unknown: Can I say it didn't go through chat GBT that was 765 00:53:55,050 --> 00:53:58,890 Adam Curry: but oh man. Did you guys hear? Do you hear new media 766 00:53:58,890 --> 00:54:01,530 show that on Wednesday? Or Thursday? 767 00:54:02,309 --> 00:54:04,229 Unknown: I haven't had that doing an AI test out like 768 00:54:04,260 --> 00:54:08,700 Adam Curry: I just want to. So Todd, I love Todd Cochran for 769 00:54:08,700 --> 00:54:13,050 this. He's like, somehow we I'm gonna get chat GPT two word for 770 00:54:13,050 --> 00:54:16,500 podcasting come hell or high water. And he's literally like, 771 00:54:16,530 --> 00:54:20,820 now if we could just have a thing that sets a marker so that 772 00:54:20,820 --> 00:54:23,610 the chat GPT will know that that's where you summarize a 773 00:54:23,610 --> 00:54:27,000 chapter I'm like, taught it's supposed to be artificial 774 00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:30,360 intelligence that you shouldn't have to be setting chapter 775 00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:34,830 markers and little blips in the thing or or being Hindenburg or 776 00:54:34,830 --> 00:54:38,760 road caster so that Chad GPT knows it should know how to do 777 00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:46,110 that. It can't because it's bullshit. Chad, Dred Scott, you 778 00:54:46,110 --> 00:54:48,960 know, he's our intelligence guy was 779 00:54:49,739 --> 00:54:50,939 Dave Jones: not a knowledge model. 780 00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:54,060 Adam Curry: Exactly. He you know, we have a human being 781 00:54:54,060 --> 00:54:59,190 doing this with great pleasure. We pay him 5% of all he has a 782 00:54:59,190 --> 00:55:02,370 split for five bucks. I have all my podcasts. And that's a 783 00:55:02,370 --> 00:55:06,060 beautiful system. People are trying to shoehorn Chad GPT into 784 00:55:06,060 --> 00:55:08,490 everything and it's so inappropriate. 785 00:55:10,769 --> 00:55:12,239 Dave Jones: And just wait for the whole thing and wait for 786 00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:16,499 this whole large language model thing to just fall apart and go 787 00:55:16,499 --> 00:55:17,459 away even saying 788 00:55:17,459 --> 00:55:18,869 Adam Curry: large language model. 789 00:55:19,439 --> 00:55:21,509 Dave Jones: That's all because that's all it is. That's what it 790 00:55:21,509 --> 00:55:24,449 is Google barf. That's all it is. It's just it's just a 791 00:55:24,449 --> 00:55:26,999 language model it like it doesn't people are trying to use 792 00:55:26,999 --> 00:55:33,389 it for for things that is it only understands. I hate even 793 00:55:33,389 --> 00:55:37,289 using the term understands. I say, thank you. It's only 794 00:55:37,799 --> 00:55:42,479 capable of manipulating language. That's what it's 795 00:55:42,479 --> 00:55:48,329 created for it. We I think I don't blame people because we as 796 00:55:48,329 --> 00:55:51,719 humans want to anthropomorphize everything. I just did it. I 797 00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:55,199 just said understand. Yeah, yeah, we can. That's the way 798 00:55:55,199 --> 00:55:58,169 we'll Yeah, that's the way we function that's like our basic, 799 00:55:58,319 --> 00:56:03,719 some of our most basic wiring is to do that. Yeah. And but that 800 00:56:03,989 --> 00:56:07,319 it's, if you step back for a second, this is, this is a 801 00:56:07,319 --> 00:56:13,589 language manipulation system. That's what it does it, it 802 00:56:13,619 --> 00:56:17,789 parses language, and it puts out and it outputs language. 803 00:56:18,269 --> 00:56:22,049 Anything else that you attribute to this thing? is not possible. 804 00:56:22,199 --> 00:56:26,669 Anything that you can't express clearly with language isn't 805 00:56:26,669 --> 00:56:31,439 possible. And so much of this is like, where where you're going 806 00:56:31,439 --> 00:56:35,549 to insert something? I don't know. I mean, you just you just 807 00:56:35,549 --> 00:56:38,729 go do I mean, where you're gonna have to go put the, you're gonna 808 00:56:38,729 --> 00:56:41,729 have to go put the marker back in for, for when the music 809 00:56:41,729 --> 00:56:44,159 starts? Well, we've already admitted me and Alex already 810 00:56:44,159 --> 00:56:48,479 tried to AI a bunch of music out of the index. And the success 811 00:56:48,479 --> 00:56:53,759 rate was low, low. It was totally 5050. So and that's not 812 00:56:53,759 --> 00:56:57,449 language, chat. GPT is not going to do it. Just the whole thing. 813 00:56:57,779 --> 00:56:59,069 And the other thing is annoying. So I 814 00:56:59,070 --> 00:57:00,990 Adam Curry: didn't mean i Yes, I didn't mean to spin you up. I'm 815 00:57:00,990 --> 00:57:04,080 sorry, Sam, what is the claim? You're off? I want to claim it. 816 00:57:05,159 --> 00:57:08,249 Unknown: So interesting conversation. 817 00:57:10,530 --> 00:57:11,940 Adam Curry: Can I revise my quote, 818 00:57:14,550 --> 00:57:17,190 Unknown: works today. So you go in the claim, you click it, and 819 00:57:17,190 --> 00:57:20,880 it will look at your email in the RSS, and it will then do a 820 00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:23,700 conversation with you based on email. So verifying your email. 821 00:57:24,060 --> 00:57:26,700 And of course, we now know, of course, we podcast TX, T, 822 00:57:26,700 --> 00:57:29,670 everyone's taking out their emails for Tom Rossi. And I've 823 00:57:29,670 --> 00:57:34,350 been working on an O auth. solution. We tested it last 824 00:57:34,350 --> 00:57:39,120 week. So the idea is that you click a claim. So in the podcast 825 00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:42,630 RSS we're proposing, I think you may have seen this in the 826 00:57:42,630 --> 00:57:46,050 GitHub, that there's a whether it's going to be called podcast, 827 00:57:46,050 --> 00:57:49,230 verify or authorize or something no one knows right now, but 828 00:57:49,260 --> 00:57:52,680 there'll be a tag. But fundamentally Buzzsprout, or the 829 00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:58,080 RSS provider will put a URL which has an authentication URL. 830 00:57:58,500 --> 00:58:01,200 So when you click Claim in pod fans, it will automatically go 831 00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:05,010 to that URL on Buzzsprout. For example, if you're not logged 832 00:58:05,010 --> 00:58:07,920 in, you log in, but if you are logged in, it'll go to that. And 833 00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:10,470 then there'll be a token that comes back to us go and get that 834 00:58:10,470 --> 00:58:14,070 is exactly who that person was, but perhaps verified it. And we 835 00:58:14,070 --> 00:58:17,820 then give you a verified from a claim situation. And then you 836 00:58:17,820 --> 00:58:21,570 get access to the backend admin for your podcast, to go and 837 00:58:21,570 --> 00:58:24,690 change the length staff go and change any of the RSS fields, 838 00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:27,270 whatever you want to do. So we're trying to make it like an 839 00:58:27,270 --> 00:58:31,350 O auth. Light, we tested it, it's it's working, as a couple 840 00:58:31,350 --> 00:58:35,190 of people who've come back with a really good, added a couple of 841 00:58:35,190 --> 00:58:38,460 security issues. So Tom and I are working on that next week, 842 00:58:38,940 --> 00:58:42,840 fingers crossed, if that all goes through, we'll implement it 843 00:58:42,870 --> 00:58:46,740 just like we did pod roll pretty quickly, then anyone else can 844 00:58:46,740 --> 00:58:49,830 rip it apart, or we'll change it. And so yeah, running with 845 00:58:49,830 --> 00:58:52,320 scissors, basically. But we'll try very quickly to get 846 00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:55,620 something working and see what comes back. And then if people 847 00:58:55,620 --> 00:58:59,190 want to change it, update it, we'll change it as the community 848 00:58:59,190 --> 00:58:59,910 asks us to do. 849 00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:02,880 Dave Jones: Okay, so that is that have been submitted to and 850 00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:04,770 don't think I've seen that in the discussions. 851 00:59:05,099 --> 00:59:09,689 Unknown: Yeah, now it's in there. So Tom submitted the idea 852 00:59:09,719 --> 00:59:13,319 originally. And then Tom and I jumped on a call. We worked 853 00:59:13,319 --> 00:59:17,639 through the back and forth with it. And then my developer is now 854 00:59:17,669 --> 00:59:20,729 going to send the token over. So yeah, there's a couple of minor 855 00:59:20,729 --> 00:59:22,529 things we're still doing. But next week, 856 00:59:23,010 --> 00:59:25,080 Adam Curry: so can I claim on my podcast? 857 00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:27,540 Unknown: Yeah, you can now because if you are, if your 858 00:59:27,540 --> 00:59:30,660 email still in your RSS, I could look but you know, if you're 859 00:59:30,660 --> 00:59:33,540 still in there, you can do this. Yeah. And then I'll go into this 860 00:59:33,540 --> 00:59:33,690 like 861 00:59:33,689 --> 00:59:35,279 Dave Jones: fans.fm/scissor So 862 00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:38,100 Adam Curry: my, my, my email address has already been taken. 863 00:59:39,630 --> 00:59:42,150 Dave Jones: Well, is that oh, that's because you've been in 864 00:59:42,150 --> 00:59:44,490 there before? Right? Yeah, we had temporary accounts. Yeah, 865 00:59:44,490 --> 00:59:44,640 but 866 00:59:44,639 --> 00:59:47,489 Unknown: you can now put Forgot My Password and we'll we'll fix 867 00:59:47,489 --> 00:59:48,899 that. Okay. 868 00:59:49,199 --> 00:59:52,769 Adam Curry: I don't want to say what it's doing. User not found, 869 00:59:52,889 --> 00:59:56,249 or I'm not found. I'm lost. Don't worry about it, Sam. Don't 870 00:59:56,249 --> 00:59:59,489 worry about it. We'll do it. We'll do it live. Hey, I see 871 00:59:59,489 --> 01:00:02,609 that you have But I think I know the answers. But you I see you 872 01:00:02,609 --> 01:00:05,639 have zaps here as well. So you this is a noster thing that 873 01:00:05,639 --> 01:00:07,439 you've put here. How does that work? 874 01:00:08,519 --> 01:00:12,479 Unknown: So, initially, we basically said that zap is a 875 01:00:12,479 --> 01:00:16,409 like we said, it's like 10 SATs. It's just a very simple, 876 01:00:16,409 --> 01:00:20,759 lightweight example. We have booths, we have zaps. Let's just 877 01:00:20,759 --> 01:00:26,069 support it. And now what we've done with OB we all be enabled 878 01:00:26,099 --> 01:00:30,509 the N pub automatically within the OB API. So now when 879 01:00:30,509 --> 01:00:33,569 everyone's profile, we're pulling your M Pub across. And 880 01:00:33,569 --> 01:00:38,039 so next step for us is then we can send the ZAP stays within 881 01:00:38,039 --> 01:00:41,939 the system currently now so if I like your show, or zap your 882 01:00:41,939 --> 01:00:45,779 show, you will get 10s 10 sets. That's just a very lightweight 883 01:00:46,229 --> 01:00:50,849 boost without a comment as how I see it. But is 884 01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:53,250 Dave Jones: that does that go back out? To the to the nostril? 885 01:00:53,250 --> 01:00:55,860 Rila? Is that a nostril? Is that just internal? 886 01:00:56,039 --> 01:00:57,539 Unknown: That's internal only now 887 01:00:58,679 --> 01:01:00,179 Adam Curry: adheres to the value block? 888 01:01:00,749 --> 01:01:01,499 Dave Jones: Yes. 889 01:01:02,730 --> 01:01:07,200 Adam Curry: Slide definitely you so I'd say our, our podcast, 890 01:01:07,230 --> 01:01:10,380 Dave is worth 12,000 SATs. 891 01:01:11,579 --> 01:01:12,569 Dave Jones: The US for this? 892 01:01:12,599 --> 01:01:14,429 Adam Curry: That's a to two pounds 80. 893 01:01:15,539 --> 01:01:23,639 Dave Jones: That's disappointing. Well, we're worth 894 01:01:23,639 --> 01:01:24,899 at least a fiver I thought 895 01:01:25,530 --> 01:01:27,390 Adam Curry: I thought we were five quid will be proper weight 896 01:01:27,390 --> 01:01:28,860 for us. Wow. 897 01:01:31,409 --> 01:01:35,939 Dave Jones: So this, this may, I don't know if you saw this, Sam 898 01:01:35,969 --> 01:01:40,409 is did this other addition to the to V, which is the signature 899 01:01:40,409 --> 01:01:45,479 field. Now it didn't say that. Okay, so the signature field in 900 01:01:45,479 --> 01:01:50,159 this may help you with your noster stuff is if you have a 901 01:01:50,159 --> 01:01:54,329 seat, so they're inside the TLV record, when the with each 902 01:01:54,329 --> 01:01:59,729 payment is a sender underscore ID field. And that thing has 903 01:01:59,729 --> 01:02:04,859 always just been whatever you it's freeform text, it doesn't, 904 01:02:05,189 --> 01:02:07,619 it doesn't adhere to anything, it can just be made up. I mean, 905 01:02:07,619 --> 01:02:09,959 people can pretend to be other people. I mean, there's it's 906 01:02:09,959 --> 01:02:15,599 just a handle. And so the various apps use that in their 907 01:02:15,599 --> 01:02:20,969 own ways. So like you with fountain. Oscar uses the you 908 01:02:20,969 --> 01:02:23,909 know, his internal user ID for that field. And you know, 909 01:02:23,909 --> 01:02:27,869 everybody uses their own thing. Well, I added this aggregate 910 01:02:27,869 --> 01:02:35,609 added a signature field to the to the record, which will, which 911 01:02:35,609 --> 01:02:40,919 will give you some way to do a verification on the sender ID. 912 01:02:41,099 --> 01:02:46,859 So in your in, in your system, you could in that Sender ID 913 01:02:46,859 --> 01:02:52,559 field, you could include nostre in pub. And then the signature 914 01:02:52,559 --> 01:02:58,769 field would be a SIG would be the signature of the TLV signed 915 01:02:58,889 --> 01:03:03,539 with the private key with the nostril private key. So I use 916 01:03:03,539 --> 01:03:04,829 your verification. 917 01:03:05,579 --> 01:03:08,489 Unknown: Because that's the challenge. We haven't looked at 918 01:03:08,489 --> 01:03:10,649 it. But we were looking at the fact that how do you make a 919 01:03:10,649 --> 01:03:13,829 right to a Nasri Lake without the private key. But if you've 920 01:03:13,829 --> 01:03:16,739 got a signature where we can hold that, or it can be a 921 01:03:16,739 --> 01:03:18,809 dynamically inserted and that that fix. 922 01:03:19,230 --> 01:03:20,970 Adam Curry: This is really this is really built like it's 923 01:03:20,970 --> 01:03:24,690 beautiful, 2.0 Playground kind of the way I see it. I'm seeing 924 01:03:24,690 --> 01:03:28,650 a lot of cool things for what I can see without logging in. I 925 01:03:28,650 --> 01:03:32,160 like the iPad, like the little it shows me plays, how many 926 01:03:32,160 --> 01:03:35,940 booths how many clips have been made? It really got me Did you 927 01:03:35,940 --> 01:03:38,280 just implement every single tag? 928 01:03:39,270 --> 01:03:40,980 Unknown: We have? Yeah, as much as we could. 929 01:03:41,579 --> 01:03:44,009 Adam Curry: This is so cool. The end, you got the trailer, which 930 01:03:44,009 --> 01:03:46,169 we don't have pod roll, which you don't have yet 931 01:03:47,160 --> 01:03:49,440 Unknown: negative sites as well. So if you look at the trailer, 932 01:03:49,440 --> 01:03:53,250 Adam, it'll say you earn from listening to a trailer, we 933 01:03:53,250 --> 01:03:56,400 believe that your time and attention adds value. And so you 934 01:03:56,400 --> 01:03:58,890 should be paid to listen to a trailer rather than 935 01:03:58,920 --> 01:04:01,950 Adam Curry: power. How are you going to make money off of this? 936 01:04:02,100 --> 01:04:05,160 Are you getting a percentage of every every stream? Is that how 937 01:04:05,160 --> 01:04:05,760 it works? Yeah, 938 01:04:06,059 --> 01:04:10,409 Unknown: yeah, we say we take a 10% fee. And then we are then 939 01:04:10,499 --> 01:04:13,049 one cents going back to the podcast in depth. Thank you. And 940 01:04:13,049 --> 01:04:16,319 then there are other one percents going to other hosting 941 01:04:16,319 --> 01:04:17,939 companies that we've done deal to it. Yeah. 942 01:04:18,210 --> 01:04:20,010 Adam Curry: Oh, you've done deals with hosting companies do 943 01:04:20,010 --> 01:04:20,490 tell. 944 01:04:21,869 --> 01:04:27,419 Unknown: So the the goal for us is that, let's say rss.com, 945 01:04:27,449 --> 01:04:31,199 which supports the value for value tag, okay? They've got 946 01:04:31,349 --> 01:04:36,869 customers already. Now, they might recommend pod vans as an 947 01:04:36,869 --> 01:04:41,339 app within their CO marketing. And if a customer then joins 948 01:04:41,339 --> 01:04:45,569 from rss.com We can track it. And we can then give them a 1% 949 01:04:45,569 --> 01:04:48,299 split of any of the value that that customer has generated. 950 01:04:48,360 --> 01:04:51,660 Adam Curry: Oh man, I love you for that, Sam that is that makes 951 01:04:51,660 --> 01:04:55,740 so much sense. This is exactly how I think Dave and I always 952 01:04:55,740 --> 01:04:59,550 envisioned the ecosystem. You know, for everybody, everybody 953 01:04:59,550 --> 01:05:04,080 participate paid in the value sounds like so much sense. I 954 01:05:04,080 --> 01:05:09,090 like it. I like your logo to thank. Yeah, logos are hard. 955 01:05:10,289 --> 01:05:11,159 Dave Jones: Yeah. 956 01:05:12,030 --> 01:05:15,510 Unknown: You'll see, again, things that are in the pipeline. 957 01:05:15,510 --> 01:05:18,720 So we already have, we already have music within the platform. 958 01:05:19,500 --> 01:05:22,860 We already have video support within the platform. And I've 959 01:05:22,860 --> 01:05:25,380 just done a deal with Penguin Books to add books to the plot. 960 01:05:26,460 --> 01:05:30,330 Adam Curry: You crazy fucker. You Nice. Yeah. So, so coming. 961 01:05:30,960 --> 01:05:32,910 Dave Jones: Videos. Great to hear your videos. Great to hear 962 01:05:32,910 --> 01:05:35,790 because I know Alex is back working on the peer tube support 963 01:05:35,790 --> 01:05:36,930 for RSS. Actually, we 964 01:05:36,930 --> 01:05:39,240 Adam Curry: got a we got a question here. We got a couple 965 01:05:39,240 --> 01:05:43,260 of pre boosts before the show for you, Sam Martin Linda's kg 966 01:05:44,580 --> 01:05:46,860 with a row a duck, Sam. So I think it'd be possible to add 967 01:05:46,860 --> 01:05:49,650 video material to pod fans in the future. And what is your 968 01:05:49,650 --> 01:05:50,730 take on peer tube? 969 01:05:52,170 --> 01:05:55,770 Unknown: So peer tube is great. I don't have an issue with it. 970 01:05:55,770 --> 01:06:00,480 But I don't really I'm not. I'm agnostic to that. What I'm more 971 01:06:00,600 --> 01:06:02,700 concerned with is does it support the alternative 972 01:06:02,700 --> 01:06:06,330 enclosure tag? And if it does, then whatever you tell me within 973 01:06:06,330 --> 01:06:10,350 the end alternative enclosure tag is what I will do. Better it 974 01:06:10,350 --> 01:06:11,010 goes back. 975 01:06:11,430 --> 01:06:15,990 Adam Curry: And dovie das 23,000 SATs. Sam, how much longer will 976 01:06:15,990 --> 01:06:19,860 I have to be on the pod fans waitlist I want to boost? 977 01:06:22,860 --> 01:06:27,210 Unknown: I guess look, I'll say this very clearly. Oscar is 978 01:06:27,210 --> 01:06:30,480 brilliant. You know, the guys who are building stuff out there 979 01:06:30,480 --> 01:06:34,380 are brilliant the guys at cura Casa Steven, you know, everyone 980 01:06:34,380 --> 01:06:39,360 who's doing stuff, I could go half baked. And that's what we 981 01:06:39,360 --> 01:06:42,420 could have done. But David and Adam, if you're looking at it, 982 01:06:42,420 --> 01:06:46,530 now you'll see that we've got the help screens coming up, 983 01:06:47,190 --> 01:06:49,950 which is gamified. And the reason we're doing that is 984 01:06:49,950 --> 01:06:53,280 because again, we just want to make sure that the experience 985 01:06:53,280 --> 01:06:56,730 when you go in is first class when you come to do what we're 986 01:06:56,730 --> 01:07:00,300 doing. So I'd rather wait a few more weeks and get it right then 987 01:07:00,690 --> 01:07:03,300 have 50 people tell me that, you know, that doesn't work. This 988 01:07:03,300 --> 01:07:03,990 doesn't work and 989 01:07:04,050 --> 01:07:06,780 Dave Jones: build some screens and documentation is that though 990 01:07:06,780 --> 01:07:10,920 it's just it's just it's so necessary, but it is so mind 991 01:07:10,920 --> 01:07:14,340 numbing and hard work. It's just tedious work. 992 01:07:14,820 --> 01:07:18,090 Adam Curry: Is this? Just all you Sam Southie? Or do you have 993 01:07:18,090 --> 01:07:24,690 the Indian finance cabal behind you? Which I've taken money from 994 01:07:24,690 --> 01:07:27,900 the Indian finance Cabal? I love them. They're very honest with 995 01:07:27,900 --> 01:07:31,110 you. Very, very, like brutally honest. 996 01:07:31,530 --> 01:07:33,780 Unknown: But we still stuff saying Uncle G at the beginning. 997 01:07:33,780 --> 01:07:37,470 We're all related. But yeah, no, I haven't. I haven't. I've been 998 01:07:37,470 --> 01:07:40,380 very lucky. I've got a small amount of funding that we got 999 01:07:40,380 --> 01:07:44,250 given on a licensing deal to somebody's licensing my platform 1000 01:07:44,250 --> 01:07:48,960 for a music version of pod vans, Pure Music version. You might 1001 01:07:48,960 --> 01:07:52,020 know them. Adam, Davao Canfield, 1002 01:07:52,440 --> 01:07:55,380 Adam Curry: the DJ? Oh, yeah, of course. Of course. Yeah. So 1003 01:07:55,379 --> 01:07:57,449 Unknown: he's licensed the platform from us to go and 1004 01:07:57,449 --> 01:08:00,359 create a version for pure house. 1005 01:08:00,539 --> 01:08:04,409 Adam Curry: Oh, fantastic. What a great idea. Yeah. It makes 1006 01:08:04,409 --> 01:08:07,649 sense. Because the whole thing It feels kind of like a mixer. 1007 01:08:08,669 --> 01:08:11,159 Yeah, it was like, this is all this stuff that you can do. And 1008 01:08:11,159 --> 01:08:14,909 there's knobs and buttons and numbers that change. It just 1009 01:08:14,939 --> 01:08:16,559 feels fun. 1010 01:08:17,340 --> 01:08:20,910 Unknown: Yeah. So we haven't we are in the middle of a funding 1011 01:08:20,910 --> 01:08:25,950 round ourselves. And that funding round is really, I think 1012 01:08:25,950 --> 01:08:28,440 I've said it before in the past is more to do with marketing, 1013 01:08:28,620 --> 01:08:30,960 the cost of building the platform, me and my developer 1014 01:08:31,020 --> 01:08:33,750 are basically not taking any money. We're very happy not 1015 01:08:33,750 --> 01:08:36,360 taking any money. And we just work every day on this. 1016 01:08:36,630 --> 01:08:40,530 Literally every day we spend. And it's been nine months of you 1017 01:08:40,530 --> 01:08:43,440 know, pleasure and pain. But you know, it we've got here where we 1018 01:08:43,440 --> 01:08:43,650 are? 1019 01:08:43,980 --> 01:08:47,760 Adam Curry: Well, as as, as I always say to any of our 1020 01:08:47,760 --> 01:08:51,990 developers, if there's any way I can assist in helping you 1021 01:08:51,990 --> 01:08:57,270 fundraise, I'm happy to talk to any investors. You know, I would 1022 01:08:57,270 --> 01:09:00,180 like to think that some of my chats I had with people helped 1023 01:09:00,180 --> 01:09:05,010 Oscar and some other people. I did that with the with some 1024 01:09:05,010 --> 01:09:07,860 people from I think breeze, I mean, whatever it's like, it's 1025 01:09:07,860 --> 01:09:11,160 great if Uncle G needs to talk to somebody, like the guy that 1026 01:09:11,160 --> 01:09:14,310 has the quote at the bottom of your page here. Happy to talk to 1027 01:09:14,310 --> 01:09:15,660 him about it. Thank you, 1028 01:09:15,690 --> 01:09:17,880 Dave Jones: you can let me ask you this, Sam, because I know 1029 01:09:18,450 --> 01:09:23,490 fountain did this. And I think there's some other outfits that 1030 01:09:23,490 --> 01:09:27,780 just recently did this. That I can't remember but it seems like 1031 01:09:28,140 --> 01:09:31,500 it's kind of becoming a big thing too. Just to not 1032 01:09:31,500 --> 01:09:36,360 necessarily go to a VC for seed money substance to do do like oh 1033 01:09:36,360 --> 01:09:41,940 yeah, subsidy to do like a crowdsourcing. investment round 1034 01:09:41,940 --> 01:09:45,420 where you know, everybody, where you basically just opening you 1035 01:09:45,420 --> 01:09:48,870 know, you open the door to small to small investors who ever 1036 01:09:48,870 --> 01:09:51,570 wants to go in would y'all ever do something like that? 1037 01:09:52,320 --> 01:09:55,620 Unknown: I'd love to. I just, you know, again, it's how many 1038 01:09:55,620 --> 01:09:59,250 spinning plates can I hold together really? And to organize 1039 01:09:59,250 --> 01:10:03,870 that, you know, There's a whole bunch of services in the UK, for 1040 01:10:03,870 --> 01:10:07,350 example, that do that, like Crowdcube, that you could go to 1041 01:10:07,380 --> 01:10:10,110 and do that. Or I could go to the podcast community and try 1042 01:10:10,110 --> 01:10:14,130 and do that. But right now, our burn rates so little, and 1043 01:10:14,850 --> 01:10:16,290 Dave Jones: we bless you, bless you. 1044 01:10:18,240 --> 01:10:20,640 Unknown: I literally have got enough money for two and a half 1045 01:10:20,640 --> 01:10:23,760 years in the bank right now. So I really don't want to go out 1046 01:10:23,760 --> 01:10:27,630 and do the begging bowl. Yeah, right now, there will be a time 1047 01:10:27,630 --> 01:10:30,150 when I need to go back into the pool. And the reason we're doing 1048 01:10:30,150 --> 01:10:33,120 it now is we're in a great position, we're not requiring 1049 01:10:33,120 --> 01:10:36,660 money, the worst time to go and find money is when you need 1050 01:10:36,660 --> 01:10:38,460 money, because then they actually, 1051 01:10:39,420 --> 01:10:43,260 Adam Curry: as the rules of business, it's one don't run out 1052 01:10:43,260 --> 01:10:47,550 of money, too, don't negotiate against yourself, three, when 1053 01:10:47,550 --> 01:10:50,370 you don't want to do it, raise the price. That's all I need to 1054 01:10:50,370 --> 01:10:52,110 know. That's your business rules right there. 1055 01:10:53,820 --> 01:10:57,030 Unknown: So we're just going out and playing, you know, 1056 01:10:57,030 --> 01:10:59,790 Cinderella, we're just going to fight go and see you know, how 1057 01:10:59,790 --> 01:11:02,550 many people we want to talk to in that market, and see what 1058 01:11:02,550 --> 01:11:06,150 they value us and see what they think of us. And it's fun. It's 1059 01:11:06,150 --> 01:11:06,600 fun to do, 1060 01:11:06,930 --> 01:11:09,420 Dave Jones: I think listening to you is helpful to a lot of 1061 01:11:09,630 --> 01:11:15,780 developers, because a lot of many developers do because you 1062 01:11:15,780 --> 01:11:18,000 understand you understand development and you but you've 1063 01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:21,480 also been in just in the business, in business business 1064 01:11:21,480 --> 01:11:24,870 for you know, for many years. So I think just just listening to 1065 01:11:24,870 --> 01:11:27,330 the way that you're laying things out is probably helpful 1066 01:11:27,330 --> 01:11:30,060 for a lot for a lot of small developers who just don't 1067 01:11:30,060 --> 01:11:32,010 understand the landscape. They don't know how to do this kind 1068 01:11:32,010 --> 01:11:34,920 of stuff. They don't know how to go out and try to find investors 1069 01:11:34,920 --> 01:11:37,890 if they need some money. I think this is all very helpful just to 1070 01:11:37,890 --> 01:11:41,760 hear you kind of rundown the way you're the way that you're going 1071 01:11:41,760 --> 01:11:45,840 through the process. You don't we don't get that very much. 1072 01:11:46,860 --> 01:11:49,380 Unknown: One of the first questions is I often get because 1073 01:11:49,380 --> 01:11:52,920 I help other startups. Now, how do I value myself? You know, 1074 01:11:52,920 --> 01:11:55,830 what's the valuation on this business, and half the times, 1075 01:11:56,100 --> 01:11:59,250 the first crazy value that you put out the market is is a 1076 01:11:59,250 --> 01:12:03,090 finger in the air. But the first investor who sort of agrees with 1077 01:12:03,090 --> 01:12:07,380 your mind valuation sets the bar. And once that bar set, then 1078 01:12:07,380 --> 01:12:10,770 every other investor has to come in at that bar level. And then 1079 01:12:10,770 --> 01:12:13,710 just simply go right now I've added more value and it you 1080 01:12:13,710 --> 01:12:16,290 know, going back to what you and Adam have developed its value 1081 01:12:16,290 --> 01:12:19,350 for value, I've created value. That's what I'm setting it out. 1082 01:12:19,350 --> 01:12:23,070 Do you agree with me? Yes or no? Let's negotiate. Now I've added 1083 01:12:23,070 --> 01:12:25,470 more value. Let's go to the next level. And you just keep 1084 01:12:25,470 --> 01:12:28,560 negotiating up until you've got you know, if you don't agree 1085 01:12:28,560 --> 01:12:31,650 with the value that someone offers you just walk away, just 1086 01:12:31,650 --> 01:12:32,490 walk away from them. 1087 01:12:34,950 --> 01:12:37,410 Adam Curry: Well, since you are also in the news business, maybe 1088 01:12:37,410 --> 01:12:40,470 we can talk about a couple things that we are you laughing 1089 01:12:40,470 --> 01:12:45,570 at that? You are you in the news business? There? Well, actually, 1090 01:12:46,080 --> 01:12:50,670 first, here's a question for you. Have you seen the MK Ultra 1091 01:12:50,670 --> 01:12:53,880 chat that David's been working on that we tested out I think 1092 01:12:53,880 --> 01:12:58,590 last week or two weeks ago? That is like Nastar chat. Dave, do we 1093 01:12:58,590 --> 01:13:02,760 have a room for this? For this episode? Or? Yes? Run? Oh, 1094 01:13:02,790 --> 01:13:03,570 Dave Jones: it's running right now. 1095 01:13:03,750 --> 01:13:06,060 Unknown: It is all the chat room because me and Dave have spoken 1096 01:13:06,060 --> 01:13:08,970 in the background. Dave? You sent me the link to it. Is that 1097 01:13:08,970 --> 01:13:10,770 the Gnostic link? Is that the chat room? I 1098 01:13:11,730 --> 01:13:13,950 Dave Jones: think so. Yeah. Yeah, that's it. That's what 1099 01:13:13,950 --> 01:13:17,070 we're talking. Yeah, that's what I think that's what I sent you. 1100 01:13:17,520 --> 01:13:18,420 Unknown: Yeah, you did you get 1101 01:13:19,110 --> 01:13:22,410 Adam Curry: something that would fit within my guess if it fits 1102 01:13:22,440 --> 01:13:24,900 running? What would that fit within the 1103 01:13:25,620 --> 01:13:27,060 Unknown: completely? Okay. 1104 01:13:27,690 --> 01:13:29,280 Adam Curry: That's right. Where's this thing? I don't see 1105 01:13:29,280 --> 01:13:30,060 this link, Dave. 1106 01:13:30,150 --> 01:13:33,060 Dave Jones: So that was I put it on up. I guess an index does 1107 01:13:33,060 --> 01:13:35,700 social before. Let me 30 minutes before we started. 1108 01:13:35,970 --> 01:13:38,700 Adam Curry: Oh, okay. It's earlier kind of kind of. Yeah. 1109 01:13:38,880 --> 01:13:41,430 Unknown: So going back to what we said about five minutes ago, 1110 01:13:41,430 --> 01:13:45,030 getting the M Pub automatically from the LP API was critical. 1111 01:13:45,030 --> 01:13:49,230 Because before that, we had to rely on the user to copy and 1112 01:13:49,230 --> 01:13:51,870 paste their M Pub across. And that was never going to happen. 1113 01:13:52,350 --> 01:13:55,650 So once we've got it automatically, we can then 1114 01:13:56,100 --> 01:13:58,830 again, and I'll look at this signature thing data that you've 1115 01:13:58,830 --> 01:14:03,570 put together. But it allows us to do not only share, but also 1116 01:14:03,600 --> 01:14:07,440 chat, and anything else we want to put to relate. But we haven't 1117 01:14:07,440 --> 01:14:07,890 got there yet. 1118 01:14:09,180 --> 01:14:11,610 Dave Jones: Let me let me throw the last piece of that button. 1119 01:14:11,610 --> 01:14:15,180 And by the way, that that signature that it gives in the 1120 01:14:15,180 --> 01:14:17,760 in the documentation, it gives an example of how to do it with 1121 01:14:17,760 --> 01:14:22,380 noster. But it's agnostic to whatever the user identification 1122 01:14:22,380 --> 01:14:25,920 system is. So you could it can be nostru, or it can be other 1123 01:14:25,920 --> 01:14:29,430 stuff. It doesn't it doesn't matter. It's flexible. So then, 1124 01:14:29,490 --> 01:14:32,850 but the last thing that I added this last couple of weeks is 1125 01:14:33,420 --> 01:14:36,750 reply fields. So there's three fields. There's reply 1126 01:14:36,750 --> 01:14:39,840 underscore, address, reply underscore custom key and reply 1127 01:14:39,840 --> 01:14:46,410 underscore custom value. So you can you can now put those into 1128 01:14:46,410 --> 01:14:50,250 the payment when you send it and then this is optional, of 1129 01:14:50,250 --> 01:14:53,190 course, like everything else and then that way when you receive 1130 01:14:53,190 --> 01:14:57,660 the boost, I can boost you back. So it can be a two way street 1131 01:14:57,660 --> 01:15:00,720 now. So we finally hit we finally have a way to do boost 1132 01:15:00,720 --> 01:15:04,230 backs that are across platform. Cool. 1133 01:15:04,260 --> 01:15:07,110 Unknown: That's cool. Now that's very cool, because in inside of 1134 01:15:07,200 --> 01:15:10,860 pop bands, we have a threaded conversation with boosts, but we 1135 01:15:10,860 --> 01:15:12,030 don't have an external. 1136 01:15:12,120 --> 01:15:13,800 Adam Curry: Is that going to be in helipad? Dave? You're going 1137 01:15:13,800 --> 01:15:14,430 to update? 1138 01:15:14,760 --> 01:15:17,220 Dave Jones: Yes, yes, it will be it will be in helipad. So if I 1139 01:15:17,220 --> 01:15:20,970 if I send you a boost from, yeah, what would be great is if, 1140 01:15:21,000 --> 01:15:26,100 if, if you boost somebody boosts me from pod fans, you know, then 1141 01:15:26,100 --> 01:15:30,900 I can receive that boost back in my Alby or whatever, you know 1142 01:15:30,900 --> 01:15:33,360 what, wherever it came from, I can get that back. Yeah. 1143 01:15:33,390 --> 01:15:38,520 Adam Curry: Nice. Cool. had a chat with the CEO of start nine 1144 01:15:38,580 --> 01:15:46,380 this week. Matt, and Matt Hill, Matt Hall, Matt Hill, Matt. And 1145 01:15:46,380 --> 01:15:50,430 those guys, they're serious to know that they basically are 1146 01:15:50,430 --> 01:15:54,090 building Umbral, the way it should have been built. If that 1147 01:15:54,090 --> 01:15:56,940 makes any sense. They're building they built an OS, not 1148 01:15:56,940 --> 01:16:01,290 just Docker containers that communicate together. And holy 1149 01:16:01,290 --> 01:16:04,110 crap, that thing looks good. They really want to make it so 1150 01:16:04,110 --> 01:16:10,290 that jeans jeans mom rest, her soul would be able to set it up. 1151 01:16:11,760 --> 01:16:16,380 Dave Jones: Start nine sovereign computing is what this says. 1152 01:16:16,380 --> 01:16:16,830 Yeah. 1153 01:16:17,490 --> 01:16:20,280 Adam Curry: So they, you can build one yourself, but they're, 1154 01:16:20,430 --> 01:16:27,120 they think they're gonna they even have a purism version. You 1155 01:16:27,120 --> 01:16:30,600 know, so complete sovereign hardware. They don't have as 1156 01:16:30,600 --> 01:16:33,000 many apps but that's because they, you know, they have it's 1157 01:16:33,000 --> 01:16:36,330 an OS, they really integrate these things tightly. Then he 1158 01:16:36,330 --> 01:16:41,280 said, he's gonna send me a unit to test. Man, it looks so cool. 1159 01:16:41,340 --> 01:16:44,370 And he was like, Hey, how do we, how do we get pod ping on here? 1160 01:16:44,370 --> 01:16:47,760 How do we get? Can we get pieces of the index on here? How do we 1161 01:16:47,760 --> 01:16:53,100 get Pelle pad on here? How do we get IPFS podcasting on here? I'm 1162 01:16:53,100 --> 01:16:54,840 I don't know. Send me one. Let's see what we can to 1163 01:16:55,560 --> 01:16:57,870 Dave Jones: tell him to send me one. I'll put it on there. I'm a 1164 01:16:57,870 --> 01:17:00,660 shameless whore. I just want free stuff. Yeah, okay. 1165 01:17:00,750 --> 01:17:04,350 Adam Curry: I will. I had to do a whole hour call with a man you 1166 01:17:04,350 --> 01:17:06,840 don't just get the get the stuff for free. You got to do a call. 1167 01:17:06,900 --> 01:17:10,170 Dave Jones: You do our call. And I get that that's the way this 1168 01:17:10,170 --> 01:17:10,590 works. 1169 01:17:12,570 --> 01:17:14,760 Adam Curry: The other thing we probably talked about briefly, 1170 01:17:14,790 --> 01:17:17,400 Sam, have you gotten on blue sky yet? 1171 01:17:18,060 --> 01:17:21,300 Unknown: No. And until I want to know, until I can. 1172 01:17:21,450 --> 01:17:24,000 Adam Curry: Well, John Spurlock is creaming over this thing. I 1173 01:17:24,000 --> 01:17:28,110 mean, he can't stop boosting about it. Like all blue sky. Oh, 1174 01:17:28,110 --> 01:17:32,460 blue skies, so great. And and I have to say this an exodus from 1175 01:17:32,460 --> 01:17:37,710 Mastodon mainly. But we call this journalist because they 1176 01:17:37,710 --> 01:17:42,180 have quote, tweet, oh, I can quote tweet now I matter. And 1177 01:17:42,180 --> 01:17:47,430 but what? What's lost in all of the noise is, is kind of noster 1178 01:17:47,430 --> 01:17:49,890 done professional. I mean, David, you looked at it, right? 1179 01:17:50,850 --> 01:17:54,390 Dave Jones: Yeah, it's no, the protocol is solid. I mean, it's, 1180 01:17:54,420 --> 01:17:59,760 it's, it's it's beautiful. The protocol for feta. I've got 1181 01:17:59,760 --> 01:18:02,400 this, I got this idea that hit me over the last couple of 1182 01:18:02,400 --> 01:18:07,890 weeks. It seems like, and I don't know if this is already a 1183 01:18:07,890 --> 01:18:13,140 thing, that by the time a thing is perfected. That's about the 1184 01:18:13,140 --> 01:18:17,520 time that it's already hit. It's the apex, and it's on the wane. 1185 01:18:17,880 --> 01:18:22,140 So this is what this feels like. It feels like we've we reached 1186 01:18:22,140 --> 01:18:28,830 peak social media two years ago. And now blue sky has come in and 1187 01:18:28,830 --> 01:18:33,180 made a beautiful protocol that actually absolutely does 1188 01:18:33,180 --> 01:18:39,600 Federation correctly. Yeah. And, and nobody's gonna use it. And I 1189 01:18:39,600 --> 01:18:41,850 don't think it will be, I don't think anybody's going to run a 1190 01:18:41,850 --> 01:18:42,360 server. 1191 01:18:42,780 --> 01:18:46,590 Unknown: Exciting. So how you can say it's federated, but the 1192 01:18:46,590 --> 01:18:48,600 whole thing is not federated. So 1193 01:18:48,750 --> 01:18:51,270 Adam Curry: why not? Yeah. It's supposed to be right. 1194 01:18:51,870 --> 01:18:56,130 Dave Jones: It feels like as hard as it is. And as, as 1195 01:18:56,130 --> 01:18:58,980 expensive as it is to run a nostre relay, which is not 1196 01:18:58,980 --> 01:19:03,180 cheap. The blue sky is gonna be even worse. I don't see people 1197 01:19:03,180 --> 01:19:07,170 running relays for that, or servers or No, 1198 01:19:07,200 --> 01:19:10,290 Adam Curry: I mean, I see organizations running this. I 1199 01:19:10,290 --> 01:19:13,140 can see the New York Times running, you know, their, their 1200 01:19:13,140 --> 01:19:15,480 own server for their journalists. It really felt like 1201 01:19:15,480 --> 01:19:18,000 a journalist thing. In fact, you and I were talking about this, 1202 01:19:18,000 --> 01:19:23,220 like, have we hit peak social media? Yeah, everyone just sick 1203 01:19:23,220 --> 01:19:24,570 of this crap at this point? 1204 01:19:25,260 --> 01:19:28,260 Unknown: Pretty much, I think. I mean, I hardly do it now. 1205 01:19:28,260 --> 01:19:32,340 Because I mean, it's a broadcast medium. There's no social. That 1206 01:19:32,340 --> 01:19:34,860 is a one way communication. 90% Yeah. 1207 01:19:35,970 --> 01:19:39,000 Dave Jones: Yeah, I think it's totally peak. Peak social media. 1208 01:19:39,030 --> 01:19:43,830 Like my first response to Blue Sky was I mean, because I don't, 1209 01:19:44,100 --> 01:19:49,740 I've already got seriously I've got I've got texting, Telegram 1210 01:19:49,890 --> 01:19:56,190 teams, podcast into you know, Mastodon emails to check. We 1211 01:19:56,190 --> 01:19:58,140 Adam Curry: should probably tell everybody what we did. We made a 1212 01:19:58,140 --> 01:19:58,740 pact 1213 01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:03,090 Dave Jones: Oh yes we got a man will be here Monday 1214 01:20:03,150 --> 01:20:05,670 Adam Curry: minus coming tracking one minus is that the 1215 01:20:05,700 --> 01:20:13,200 ninth is that Monday eighth we we bought light phones together 1216 01:20:13,710 --> 01:20:13,980 when 1217 01:20:17,190 --> 01:20:20,610 Dave Jones: we did when we finally got it to accept a 1218 01:20:20,610 --> 01:20:25,860 credit card is not you know doesn't make you feel good about 1219 01:20:25,860 --> 01:20:26,700 your purchase? No, 1220 01:20:26,700 --> 01:20:29,130 Adam Curry: I think we might have ordered eight I'm not sure 1221 01:20:29,130 --> 01:20:31,020 just because it wasn't going through try it again. Try it 1222 01:20:31,020 --> 01:20:31,830 again. Try it again. 1223 01:20:32,790 --> 01:20:36,810 Dave Jones: It also but it Do you know the light phone? Sam? 1224 01:20:37,140 --> 01:20:41,280 No, no, no ideally, it's the light phone.com It's like an E 1225 01:20:41,280 --> 01:20:46,590 Ink screen telephone with like hardly anything. There's no 1226 01:20:46,590 --> 01:20:49,170 social media is basically just texting what 1227 01:20:49,170 --> 01:20:52,110 Adam Curry: has a text with a QWERTY keyboard on the on the E 1228 01:20:52,110 --> 01:20:55,950 Ink screen you can call we have a calendar, you have an alarm 1229 01:20:56,010 --> 01:21:00,120 and you have podcast client, which is cool. And directions 1230 01:21:00,360 --> 01:21:02,910 that says directions I don't know exactly what that means but 1231 01:21:02,910 --> 01:21:07,500 has directions and that's it. Note no images. You can do group 1232 01:21:07,500 --> 01:21:12,450 tags but you won't get images and as a hotspot which of course 1233 01:21:12,540 --> 01:21:14,970 means you're going to have a another device if you need to do 1234 01:21:14,970 --> 01:21:18,180 something else. I'm kind of excited about it. 1235 01:21:19,049 --> 01:21:24,989 Dave Jones: Me too. My My plan is to the iPhone is going to 1236 01:21:24,989 --> 01:21:29,099 live on the bedside table and never move. Well, I'll use it 1237 01:21:29,099 --> 01:21:30,929 for a toilet scroller and 1238 01:21:31,230 --> 01:21:38,400 Adam Curry: a toilet scroller. Yeah, nice show title. scroller. 1239 01:21:38,430 --> 01:21:39,300 Nice. 1240 01:21:39,450 --> 01:21:43,080 Dave Jones: Yeah. I'll use it for a toilet scroller and like 1241 01:21:43,110 --> 01:21:46,170 I'm getting alerts from you know from the day job when the 1242 01:21:46,170 --> 01:21:46,530 server's 1243 01:21:47,250 --> 01:21:51,120 Unknown: Dave you've got to get a toilet holder then for a 1244 01:21:51,120 --> 01:21:51,750 holder for the 1245 01:21:54,900 --> 01:21:58,770 Dave Jones: holster on the wall doing exactly. Suction pad 1246 01:22:02,520 --> 01:22:07,830 that's a phone nobody will ever touch that's yes. But then But 1247 01:22:07,830 --> 01:22:11,370 then I never the goal is never leave the house with the with 1248 01:22:11,370 --> 01:22:14,070 that device only leave the house with the light phone. 1249 01:22:15,240 --> 01:22:18,630 Adam Curry: Yeah, I'm gonna do that. I like it. You know, I 1250 01:22:18,630 --> 01:22:21,210 like the idea a lot because all the stuff I'm doing like i Why 1251 01:22:21,210 --> 01:22:23,940 am I even doing this? Why am I doing this right now? 1252 01:22:24,780 --> 01:22:26,460 Unknown: This sounds like a Kindle with a phone. 1253 01:22:26,880 --> 01:22:29,880 Dave Jones: Yes. Yes. Sounds like yeah, look in a podcast 1254 01:22:29,880 --> 01:22:30,180 player. 1255 01:22:30,210 --> 01:22:32,370 Adam Curry: Yeah, well the pocket Although who knows. You 1256 01:22:32,370 --> 01:22:35,310 know, just imagine the value block going through that thing 1257 01:22:35,370 --> 01:22:36,720 though. phones can melt. 1258 01:22:38,880 --> 01:22:45,000 Dave Jones: Pod fans on the light phone. II E an E Ink pod 1259 01:22:45,000 --> 01:22:48,090 fans. Mostafa would lose his mind. 1260 01:22:48,510 --> 01:22:51,840 Adam Curry: Now. He would. And I think it's I think this is what 1261 01:22:51,840 --> 01:22:54,990 we should give kids you get your kids you get a light phone. You 1262 01:22:54,990 --> 01:22:59,070 got kids, right? You got one. You got one kid fan. Sam, do 1263 01:22:59,070 --> 01:23:04,350 your tooth. So you give your kid a light phone, a laptop laptop 1264 01:23:04,350 --> 01:23:09,810 and the kid has installed Linux Mint on it themselves. You give 1265 01:23:09,810 --> 01:23:13,650 them an umbrella. Or you set up an ombre you set up the umbrella 1266 01:23:13,650 --> 01:23:18,720 with the kid a you give them a ham radio to meter a handheld 1267 01:23:18,720 --> 01:23:23,760 and you take the test together. And then you a library card, a 1268 01:23:23,760 --> 01:23:26,850 dog and an AR 15 night and then you're gonna have a good kid 1269 01:23:30,900 --> 01:23:31,680 Unknown: lots of parts. 1270 01:23:32,339 --> 01:23:35,849 Adam Curry: Oh, please. Oh, please. Oh, please. You know, 1271 01:23:36,000 --> 01:23:37,530 Dave Jones: I hear you, Texas. 1272 01:23:37,560 --> 01:23:41,070 Adam Curry: I gotta say Sam. I love you, Sam. It stopped 1273 01:23:41,070 --> 01:23:43,710 tweeting about American politics. All right. We don't we 1274 01:23:43,710 --> 01:23:46,920 don't bitch about your stupid King and your coronation. 1275 01:23:46,920 --> 01:23:48,420 Unknown: Please do because I can't stand 1276 01:23:49,860 --> 01:23:52,770 Adam Curry: I can't believe I can't believe that you stood the 1277 01:23:52,830 --> 01:23:57,810 2023 and you're all gonna watch this guy in a golden carriage go 1278 01:23:57,810 --> 01:23:58,110 down the 1279 01:23:58,110 --> 01:24:00,870 Unknown: nails tomorrow. Anything but watching the bloody 1280 01:24:00,870 --> 01:24:01,080 car. Oh, 1281 01:24:01,980 --> 01:24:04,440 Adam Curry: my goodness. I met I met the Queen. You know, before 1282 01:24:04,440 --> 01:24:08,370 she died. I went to Buckingham Palace. It was that was I was 1283 01:24:08,370 --> 01:24:09,360 pretty cool. Actually. 1284 01:24:09,900 --> 01:24:12,120 Unknown: Have you got a gong? Have you got a little MBE? Or 1285 01:24:12,120 --> 01:24:12,390 oh, no, 1286 01:24:12,480 --> 01:24:15,780 Adam Curry: no, no, no, no, no, nothing like that. But I do get 1287 01:24:15,780 --> 01:24:18,990 to you know, shake her hand. And, and I say I'm going to look 1288 01:24:18,990 --> 01:24:24,210 in her eyes. And you know what I saw? Nothing. Nothing. Complete 1289 01:24:24,210 --> 01:24:27,240 dark emptiness. It was it was a little scary. 1290 01:24:29,340 --> 01:24:33,870 Dave Jones: Well, this, this is the sort of sort of the serious 1291 01:24:33,870 --> 01:24:40,110 part though is I figured if my if my daughter who's 13 I'm 1292 01:24:40,110 --> 01:24:46,380 like, Okay, if I want her to not be addicted to social media and 1293 01:24:46,380 --> 01:24:51,090 have like mental health problems for real from all this from all 1294 01:24:51,090 --> 01:24:54,750 this garbage. Like, I got to live there, right? I mean, I got 1295 01:24:54,750 --> 01:24:59,490 to put my money where my mouth is. And so I've got to I got to 1296 01:24:59,490 --> 01:25:02,370 do it myself. If I can't just be like, I can't just be scrolling 1297 01:25:02,370 --> 01:25:04,830 on the couch all night long and then be like, you can't have a 1298 01:25:04,830 --> 01:25:06,990 phone. So I'm like, okay, 1299 01:25:07,080 --> 01:25:09,450 Adam Curry: or you can go to make this happen or go take a 1300 01:25:09,450 --> 01:25:11,700 dump and you can use the toilet scroller, but that's an 1301 01:25:13,380 --> 01:25:14,430 Unknown: option so that's it for 1302 01:25:14,850 --> 01:25:15,990 me it's how I'm on the phone 1303 01:25:20,130 --> 01:25:23,340 Adam Curry: Shall we thank a few people because we have a lot we 1304 01:25:23,340 --> 01:25:26,010 I'm sure we have a lot from two weeks worth I would hope but let 1305 01:25:26,010 --> 01:25:29,070 me thank some of the people who have been sending us booster 1306 01:25:29,070 --> 01:25:31,380 grams throughout the show it's about the whole this whole 1307 01:25:31,380 --> 01:25:34,020 kitten caboodle is value for value was actually it was 1308 01:25:34,020 --> 01:25:38,640 actually fun. I was talking to a company from the UK today. I 1309 01:25:38,640 --> 01:25:41,100 forget what the name of the company was, but they were 1310 01:25:41,130 --> 01:25:45,600 considering becoming a client of voltage. And Graham said hey, 1311 01:25:45,600 --> 01:25:49,530 man, we you we give you referrals. Yeah, no problem. And 1312 01:25:49,530 --> 01:25:51,870 I explained the whole model as I'm explaining the model, I'm 1313 01:25:51,870 --> 01:25:54,870 seeing them looking at me like what is this guy talking about? 1314 01:25:54,900 --> 01:25:59,070 You know, how does how does your business work? But value for 1315 01:25:59,070 --> 01:26:02,880 value means that we accept any any value in return for the 1316 01:26:02,880 --> 01:26:05,790 value that you hopefully receive from the podcast from the whole 1317 01:26:05,790 --> 01:26:10,350 project. Everything that Dave and I do personally and you can 1318 01:26:10,350 --> 01:26:14,070 return that it's time talent or treasurer. If you want to give 1319 01:26:14,070 --> 01:26:17,730 us a Fiat fun coupons. You can go to podcasts index.org at the 1320 01:26:17,730 --> 01:26:21,660 bottom, there's two big red buttons actually, I'm going to 1321 01:26:21,660 --> 01:26:26,550 look at the at the tally coin. We do this every single time to 1322 01:26:26,550 --> 01:26:30,300 see that no one has sent us anything on chain. But you can 1323 01:26:30,300 --> 01:26:35,940 also use PayPal there and Whoa, no, I'm right now again, we have 1324 01:26:35,940 --> 01:26:36,330 nothing. 1325 01:26:36,810 --> 01:26:39,300 Dave Jones: Yes. Because the fit because the fees are 1326 01:26:40,410 --> 01:26:43,050 Adam Curry: the fees. Yeah, I saw that the the difficulty 1327 01:26:43,080 --> 01:26:45,030 level is going to go minus 11. 1328 01:26:45,570 --> 01:26:48,300 Dave Jones: Killer Almighty this ordinals thing has to stop. Do 1329 01:26:48,300 --> 01:26:51,930 you see somebody introduced a bug and ordinals? No, no, no, 1330 01:26:51,930 --> 01:26:53,010 it's all it's all asked. 1331 01:26:54,720 --> 01:26:56,610 Adam Curry: But what we really love is for you to ditch the 1332 01:26:56,610 --> 01:27:01,500 legacy app and grab a brand new one at podcast apps.com and fill 1333 01:27:01,500 --> 01:27:04,110 it up with some SATs. Almost everybody know how to wait for 1334 01:27:04,110 --> 01:27:07,530 you to convert your your Fiat into Bitcoin and get it into 1335 01:27:07,530 --> 01:27:14,010 lightning and we have Stephen B with 1138 1138 Izabel boost. I 1336 01:27:14,010 --> 01:27:17,010 need to talk to the Start nine guys. They need sovereign feeds 1337 01:27:17,010 --> 01:27:19,800 on their sovereign computing. Yes, I mentioned them 1338 01:27:19,800 --> 01:27:23,970 specifically. Stephen Bell, of course, also cast upon also 1339 01:27:23,970 --> 01:27:28,890 mentioned Casta pod to him 1776 A freedom booster Mr. Robot Adam 1340 01:27:28,890 --> 01:27:31,980 Jason rich of rich ranchers is running start nine hit him up 1341 01:27:31,980 --> 01:27:35,310 with any questions as well. Yeah, Jason is from the beef 1342 01:27:35,310 --> 01:27:35,820 initiative. 1343 01:27:36,780 --> 01:27:39,060 Dave Jones: Oh, this there? Oh, there's a little crossover 1344 01:27:39,060 --> 01:27:39,390 there. 1345 01:27:39,510 --> 01:27:42,480 Adam Curry: Dow there's tons of we're creating a whole economy 1346 01:27:42,540 --> 01:27:48,600 we don't need anybody. See dubs for 20 sites with a test test 1347 01:27:48,600 --> 01:27:55,080 Toke? Thank you received another Mr. Robot with 9999 nine or nine 1348 01:27:55,080 --> 01:27:58,830 or nine or nine or what's your thought on using hashtags on 1349 01:27:58,830 --> 01:28:02,490 before the show notes? In my opinion, they are not needed 1350 01:28:02,490 --> 01:28:05,340 take up space. Oscar from fountain had said they aren't 1351 01:28:05,340 --> 01:28:09,240 searchable items yet. Hmm. I'm not quite sure what this is 1352 01:28:09,240 --> 01:28:12,510 about hashtags on leave for the show notes. 1353 01:28:13,050 --> 01:28:17,910 Unknown: Well, I disagree with that because I we would want you 1354 01:28:17,910 --> 01:28:20,910 to be able to put any hashtag in and then use our search engine 1355 01:28:20,910 --> 01:28:22,440 to discovery so yeah, 1356 01:28:22,440 --> 01:28:25,320 Adam Curry: I'm not sure APR. A lot. I'm not sure what he means 1357 01:28:25,320 --> 01:28:28,320 about taking up space though. Is this maybe in the TLV record or 1358 01:28:28,320 --> 01:28:30,960 something? I'm not sure what this 1359 01:28:31,020 --> 01:28:33,210 Dave Jones: I don't know. What is the show notes word that's 1360 01:28:33,210 --> 01:28:36,240 Adam Curry: yeah, that's just also please tell people stop 1361 01:28:36,240 --> 01:28:38,520 using chat GPT For show notes. 1362 01:28:39,330 --> 01:28:42,000 Dave Jones: Yes. Okay. Stop using jet GPT for sure. Yeah, I 1363 01:28:42,000 --> 01:28:44,790 Adam Curry: agree with that. Harv had 10101 Thank you hard 1364 01:28:44,790 --> 01:28:50,580 hat and 10101 from our Davis at seven in the boardroom gentlemen 1365 01:28:50,580 --> 01:28:53,910 a binary boost for running with scissors and trolling. There you 1366 01:28:53,910 --> 01:28:56,760 go. Scream listeners go podcasting. Thank you sir. 1367 01:28:58,980 --> 01:29:03,330 blooper of noses 2000 SATs running with scissors indeed. 1368 01:29:03,630 --> 01:29:11,220 Jad F 3333 Eric p p with 33,333 He says boasts a hard hat with a 1369 01:29:11,220 --> 01:29:15,570 short row of ducks and there's for a dude person. The dude 1370 01:29:15,570 --> 01:29:21,960 person with a teeth boost which is 73374 which is yeah like that 1371 01:29:21,960 --> 01:29:26,670 nice grill boost. Another one on one on one from hard hat Thank 1372 01:29:26,670 --> 01:29:30,300 you 1000 SATs from Brian of London typo fix Oh this was the 1373 01:29:30,300 --> 01:29:38,550 two week boost. He sent us 65,948 This is for for you to 1374 01:29:38,550 --> 01:29:43,080 visit Israel instead of Europe on your vacation. Which is kind 1375 01:29:43,080 --> 01:29:46,020 invitation you can stay with Sir Brian of London and his family. 1376 01:29:46,590 --> 01:29:49,380 Dave Jones: Oh, no, we are we are going we are going to 1377 01:29:49,380 --> 01:29:49,800 Israel, 1378 01:29:50,010 --> 01:29:54,360 Adam Curry: cotton gin 3333 in the boardroom he says 5150 from 1379 01:29:54,360 --> 01:29:57,840 tone wrecker, sling and SATs from curio caster after upgraded 1380 01:29:57,870 --> 01:30:01,290 integration with Albie looks to be okay. Great Transition. 1381 01:30:01,650 --> 01:30:05,310 Congratulations, the 20 to 20 from ICM that we read earlier, 1382 01:30:05,520 --> 01:30:10,560 cost peatland. Alright, that's a sorry, I missed that one. Steven 1383 01:30:10,560 --> 01:30:15,450 B 1818. Oh here Steven B was testing I got a whole a whole 1384 01:30:15,450 --> 01:30:20,130 bunch of times. He had production boost his real SATs 1385 01:30:20,130 --> 01:30:23,610 like a real man Is this thing working is like all these all 1386 01:30:23,670 --> 01:30:28,200 these different tests. Dobie dasa got his 23,000 SATs 1387 01:30:29,550 --> 01:30:34,170 anonymous podcast, Guru user 100, a couple in there and then 1388 01:30:34,170 --> 01:30:37,380 I hit the delimiters. So whatever you have from our show 1389 01:30:37,380 --> 01:30:39,990 from two weeks ago on this one, David's back to you, Bob, 1390 01:30:40,650 --> 01:30:44,880 Dave Jones: did we see You okay, so we'll do we'll do monthlies 1391 01:30:44,880 --> 01:30:48,180 we is this was a this was a Pay Pal for the extravaganza here. 1392 01:30:48,210 --> 01:30:52,380 Oh, this Yes. Interesting. Clearly, we need to do a show 1393 01:30:52,380 --> 01:30:57,030 every other week. Go because when we miss a show, everybody 1394 01:30:57,060 --> 01:30:59,520 everybody goes nuts. And since we were going 1395 01:30:59,520 --> 01:31:02,610 Adam Curry: nuts we we were like I don't Well, I my mouth hurt 1396 01:31:02,610 --> 01:31:05,340 and I couldn't do much but we were both like you wanted to go 1397 01:31:05,370 --> 01:31:10,410 or you really wanted to teach us like No, no, no, no, no. and my 1398 01:31:10,410 --> 01:31:12,030 face was really swollen Tiger really 1399 01:31:12,060 --> 01:31:15,390 Dave Jones: pulled the pulled the kid kids school function on 1400 01:31:15,390 --> 01:31:15,630 you. 1401 01:31:16,020 --> 01:31:18,150 Adam Curry: Was that a lie? We did you just do that? Oh, it 1402 01:31:18,150 --> 01:31:18,390 wasn't. 1403 01:31:19,650 --> 01:31:21,930 Dave Jones: It wasn't a lie. But it was a little it wasn't as 1404 01:31:21,930 --> 01:31:23,790 critical as I made it sound 1405 01:31:23,820 --> 01:31:27,030 Adam Curry: like I got a thing. I got a thing for school with my 1406 01:31:27,030 --> 01:31:30,450 kid. I'm like, okay, family first. I knew you were you were 1407 01:31:30,450 --> 01:31:32,880 like I knew you were recording you. Thank you. 1408 01:31:34,260 --> 01:31:37,950 Dave Jones: Buzzsprout came in with 500 Nice 1409 01:31:38,850 --> 01:31:41,640 Unknown: 20 blades on the Impala. 1410 01:31:41,640 --> 01:31:42,900 Adam Curry: We appreciate that, guys. 1411 01:31:44,940 --> 01:31:46,410 Dave Jones: Sam is a big fan of Buzzsprout. 1412 01:31:47,129 --> 01:31:49,349 Adam Curry: He's partners with them. I see it right here on the 1413 01:31:49,409 --> 01:31:50,909 EOD fans website. 1414 01:31:52,890 --> 01:32:01,080 Dave Jones: Blueberry. Todd Mike in the gang came in with $250.20 1415 01:32:01,290 --> 01:32:03,900 Unknown: blades on the Impala so cool, 1416 01:32:03,900 --> 01:32:05,610 Adam Curry: guys, thank you so much. 1417 01:32:06,119 --> 01:32:09,329 Dave Jones: Are we the only I feel like there's I feel like 1418 01:32:09,329 --> 01:32:13,439 we've broken some sort of ground here. It feels like we're the 1419 01:32:13,439 --> 01:32:16,319 only we got to be the only people who have managed to get 1420 01:32:16,349 --> 01:32:22,499 Todd to donate the money. $250 To just donate 1421 01:32:22,530 --> 01:32:23,880 Adam Curry: for anything for any reason. 1422 01:32:23,910 --> 01:32:25,260 Dave Jones: Now for any reason ever. 1423 01:32:25,680 --> 01:32:28,620 Adam Curry: Todd understands value. Todd has been part of 1424 01:32:28,620 --> 01:32:32,430 value for value for over a decade. He's been a no agenda 1425 01:32:32,430 --> 01:32:36,030 night for a long time. He's he understood the model very, very 1426 01:32:36,030 --> 01:32:36,720 early on. 1427 01:32:37,350 --> 01:32:39,900 Dave Jones: Thanks, Tom. I appreciate you guys. Fountain. 1428 01:32:40,500 --> 01:32:47,340 Speaking of fountain Oscar in the boys $200.20 1429 01:32:47,340 --> 01:32:49,530 Unknown: his blades on the Impala 1430 01:32:49,560 --> 01:32:52,320 Adam Curry: the servers will live on including the Linode 1431 01:32:52,710 --> 01:32:54,420 increase. Yes, thank you. 1432 01:32:54,750 --> 01:32:57,420 Dave Jones: Which you know what, which hurt worse than I thought 1433 01:32:57,420 --> 01:33:00,510 it was going to I did the initial math and it came out to 1434 01:33:00,510 --> 01:33:07,230 like 12% increase in fees. But then I forgot about the backups. 1435 01:33:07,350 --> 01:33:12,540 The backups went up to minus status. If backups really? Yeah, 1436 01:33:12,540 --> 01:33:16,650 cuz we do a lot of we have a lot of backups that snapshots. Oh, 1437 01:33:16,650 --> 01:33:21,300 yeah. Nightly snapshot. It kind of sucks because I was the 1438 01:33:21,330 --> 01:33:24,480 bigger instances. They're not nearly as cheap as he used to 1439 01:33:24,480 --> 01:33:32,100 be. But um, but we got $150 from the podcast and 2.0 consultants 1440 01:33:32,100 --> 01:33:33,420 Sir Alex gates. 1441 01:33:33,750 --> 01:33:34,890 Adam Curry: What how much 1442 01:33:35,520 --> 01:33:36,540 Dave Jones: $150 1443 01:33:37,620 --> 01:33:39,930 Unknown: stock call off 20 blades 1444 01:33:39,960 --> 01:33:44,370 Adam Curry: on am Paula. Bonuses came in tax refunds. This is 1445 01:33:44,370 --> 01:33:46,650 nice. Thank you. Thank you. I 1446 01:33:46,650 --> 01:33:48,810 Dave Jones: just want to say how much I appreciate Alex Yeah, 1447 01:33:48,840 --> 01:33:52,380 helps me on a weekly basis to work through things and it's 1448 01:33:52,380 --> 01:33:56,700 really, it really means a lot to me because he donated 150 bucks, 1449 01:33:56,730 --> 01:34:00,780 I should be giving him 150 bucks. So it's, uh, just really 1450 01:34:00,780 --> 01:34:07,560 appreciate that. Thank you. Drew, Drew and McCollum PLLC for 1451 01:34:07,560 --> 01:34:10,860 the Texas divorce talk podcast gave us $60 1452 01:34:11,220 --> 01:34:14,010 Adam Curry: Oh, that's awesome. Hey, that's for our outstanding 1453 01:34:14,010 --> 01:34:15,210 customer service. 1454 01:34:15,240 --> 01:34:16,830 Dave Jones: It is customer service. 1455 01:34:16,890 --> 01:34:19,380 Adam Curry: It was really nice because I do triage customer 1456 01:34:19,380 --> 01:34:24,810 service. And she was at a duplication issue she had going 1457 01:34:24,810 --> 01:34:27,240 on, I'm like, yeah, we'll see what we can do. And I you know, 1458 01:34:27,240 --> 01:34:30,840 I BCC Dave and I always try to manage people's expectations. 1459 01:34:30,870 --> 01:34:33,720 But basically, you know, I just tried to you know, they they 1460 01:34:33,720 --> 01:34:36,540 will email if it hasn't happened or wasn't what they wanted and 1461 01:34:36,780 --> 01:34:39,390 back and forth. And they said no, I said no, hey, thanks for 1462 01:34:39,390 --> 01:34:42,210 being so kind because usually people just yell at us not 1463 01:34:42,210 --> 01:34:46,710 realizing that as Adam and Dave, you know, doing this stuff says 1464 01:34:46,830 --> 01:34:49,410 because of that, whenever I was gonna give to WordPress I'm 1465 01:34:49,410 --> 01:34:52,950 giving to you like Oh, thank you. That was so nice for 1466 01:34:52,950 --> 01:34:53,940 WordPress. 1467 01:34:56,610 --> 01:34:59,970 Dave Jones: Todd and rob from the new media show $50 Guys 1468 01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:01,590 Adam Curry: Thank you. Thank you so much. 1469 01:35:02,669 --> 01:35:08,519 Dave Jones: You're an animal. Thank you. So see if $4 a month 1470 01:35:08,519 --> 01:35:14,399 we got a new subscription from Emilio canto Molina from this is 1471 01:35:14,399 --> 01:35:16,379 great because we got this the first new subscription we've 1472 01:35:16,379 --> 01:35:20,579 gotten in a long time from this stems the slow erosion of 1473 01:35:20,579 --> 01:35:21,779 monthly subscriptions. Yeah, we 1474 01:35:21,780 --> 01:35:23,790 Adam Curry: bank here. Thank you. Thanks. Thank you. 1475 01:35:24,629 --> 01:35:28,379 Dave Jones: As the economic destruction slowly what rolls 1476 01:35:28,379 --> 01:35:32,069 on? You wanna do some boost? We gotta tone record secular 1477 01:35:32,069 --> 01:35:36,329 Richards nice as another fine audio stroll ideas galore. 1478 01:35:36,390 --> 01:35:37,110 Adam Curry: Thank you. 1479 01:35:37,560 --> 01:35:43,470 Dave Jones: Boost. Clark in a friend of mine. To 25,001 SATs 1480 01:35:43,470 --> 01:35:44,820 he says boop boop beep beep 1481 01:35:46,860 --> 01:35:47,940 Adam Curry: you got it. A 1482 01:35:48,660 --> 01:35:50,730 Dave Jones: mere mortals podcast car and I'm gonna I'm gonna be 1483 01:35:50,730 --> 01:35:53,730 on his show tomorrow. We're recording. Oh, cool. 1484 01:35:53,790 --> 01:35:55,260 Adam Curry: That'd be you've been on the show. Haven't you 1485 01:35:55,260 --> 01:35:55,890 ever been on before? 1486 01:35:56,400 --> 01:35:59,340 Dave Jones: Yes. second timer. Yeah, I'm gonna have to make up 1487 01:35:59,340 --> 01:36:02,460 a bunch of stuff about my life. That's not true to compete with 1488 01:36:02,460 --> 01:36:03,120 Sam I 1489 01:36:03,120 --> 01:36:06,600 Adam Curry: know. Man, Sam Sam. Quite the life there. You know 1490 01:36:06,600 --> 01:36:10,470 he was a firefighter he was a paratrooper. No, 1491 01:36:10,890 --> 01:36:12,990 Unknown: I thought you were firefighter to the wine 1492 01:36:12,990 --> 01:36:13,560 importer, 1493 01:36:13,680 --> 01:36:15,990 Adam Curry: the wine importer. He was found on the steps of the 1494 01:36:15,990 --> 01:36:18,810 church I mean this whole call he has quite a quite a history. 1495 01:36:19,170 --> 01:36:24,000 Dave Jones: Trey Karen's gonna be like you you were fewer found 1496 01:36:24,000 --> 01:36:27,900 on the on the now in a bag in a wicker basket. And I'll yeah, 1497 01:36:27,900 --> 01:36:29,850 that was nice. For us. 1498 01:36:32,310 --> 01:36:35,190 Adam Curry: Nothing, nothing, nothing quite like the isobar 1499 01:36:35,220 --> 01:36:38,100 Oh, nice. WordPress. I'd love that thing. 1500 01:36:40,080 --> 01:36:43,590 Dave Jones: 2222 from Kira, and he says decentralization tends 1501 01:36:43,590 --> 01:36:46,230 to get mixed with self sovereignty. I have five or six 1502 01:36:46,230 --> 01:36:49,350 separate wallets, and none of them are self hosted. I feel 1503 01:36:49,350 --> 01:36:51,630 that it is significantly more decentralized than a single 1504 01:36:51,630 --> 01:36:57,780 point of incompetent failure, aka myself. No, that is a good 1505 01:36:57,780 --> 01:37:02,580 point, though. If it would be better for you to have an lb 1506 01:37:02,580 --> 01:37:07,140 wallet. And an ln your ln pay wallet. It'd be better for you 1507 01:37:07,140 --> 01:37:11,430 to have three centralized wallets than one umbrella that 1508 01:37:11,430 --> 01:37:13,620 you don't know how to run and you have screwed and you screw 1509 01:37:13,620 --> 01:37:16,140 it up all the time. Yeah, that's probably he's probably right. 1510 01:37:16,140 --> 01:37:16,260 And 1511 01:37:16,260 --> 01:37:19,830 Adam Curry: I gotta tell you, my my umbrella has been acting. I 1512 01:37:19,830 --> 01:37:22,770 don't know what the problem is that the Raspberry Pi's they 1513 01:37:22,770 --> 01:37:25,530 just don't do well with power management and your your 1514 01:37:26,070 --> 01:37:31,800 external hard drives. It gets wonky real quick. And then And 1515 01:37:31,800 --> 01:37:34,650 then if you're running something like Oh, I don't know, a noster 1516 01:37:34,650 --> 01:37:39,270 client snort on your Umbral. Yeah, I had to uninstall that. 1517 01:37:39,510 --> 01:37:43,530 It just drives the it spikes the CPU spikes the CPU to 1518 01:37:44,070 --> 01:37:46,650 Dave Jones: Yeah, now try run blues go on there. I don't think 1519 01:37:46,650 --> 01:37:51,720 so. I don't think so. See Brooklyn 112 4321 from curio 1520 01:37:51,720 --> 01:37:53,400 caster, and he says go podcasting? 1521 01:37:53,430 --> 01:37:54,150 Adam Curry: Yeah, thank you. 1522 01:37:57,870 --> 01:38:01,530 Dave Jones: Hope Bhoomi Boomi since 2100 says he says demoing 1523 01:38:01,530 --> 01:38:04,350 value for value. He did that last time so he's on. He's on a 1524 01:38:04,350 --> 01:38:04,770 tear 1525 01:38:05,040 --> 01:38:07,410 Adam Curry: demo away man. We're great for demoing 1526 01:38:08,220 --> 01:38:12,240 Dave Jones: frozen frozen years since his 10,000 SATs hearing 1527 01:38:12,240 --> 01:38:15,360 Adam doing a top 10 countdown style music podcast as a DJ 1528 01:38:15,360 --> 01:38:16,860 would be amazing. 1529 01:38:17,400 --> 01:38:20,700 Adam Curry: Thank you. Well, it's gonna happen man. It looks 1530 01:38:20,700 --> 01:38:26,640 like if we'll see what blows up this week. Or blows up 1531 01:38:27,030 --> 01:38:30,390 Dave Jones: I'm gonna be positive I think what if it just 1532 01:38:30,390 --> 01:38:31,650 works I think it's gonna work or 1533 01:38:31,650 --> 01:38:34,020 Adam Curry: if it just works right off the bat by the way. We 1534 01:38:34,020 --> 01:38:37,110 just had a 100,000 sat come in if you don't mind who's 1535 01:38:39,600 --> 01:38:42,180 Unknown: 20 is blades only Impala 1536 01:38:42,180 --> 01:38:45,690 Adam Curry: sir TJ the wrathful Adam and Dave as a musician in 1537 01:38:45,690 --> 01:38:49,500 podcasting. 2.0 It's been heavy on my mind. I thought of 1538 01:38:49,500 --> 01:38:52,650 starting to podcast word episode was a song a season would be an 1539 01:38:52,650 --> 01:38:55,680 album value for value. However, I just keep wishing there was a 1540 01:38:55,680 --> 01:38:59,580 music tab in my podcasting 2.0 app. It'd be more organic and 1541 01:38:59,580 --> 01:39:02,370 real for artists and listeners and Spotify. I'd rather do music 1542 01:39:02,370 --> 01:39:05,910 V for V than played a Spotify streaming game which I say 1543 01:39:06,240 --> 01:39:09,900 everything's a scam. Thank you for your courage. But looks like 1544 01:39:09,900 --> 01:39:12,840 we're working on it just for you, sir. TJ the raffle that's 1545 01:39:12,840 --> 01:39:18,780 happening. It's happening. And I'm just I'm still buzzing from 1546 01:39:18,780 --> 01:39:22,950 the whole idea that I can play a song on a podcast and that the 1547 01:39:22,950 --> 01:39:28,560 value blocks which is I mean, it's mind blowing to me and to 1548 01:39:28,560 --> 01:39:31,140 Sam apparently who didn't understand it just too hard. 1549 01:39:33,210 --> 01:39:36,180 Unknown: Now, it's not that I've got I've got to get a product 1550 01:39:36,180 --> 01:39:37,470 out the market. I know. 1551 01:39:38,520 --> 01:39:40,110 Dave Jones: You're telling me what you're saying is we need to 1552 01:39:40,110 --> 01:39:41,580 stop doing stuff so you can actually 1553 01:39:41,879 --> 01:39:44,039 Adam Curry: stop slow down slow down 1554 01:39:45,780 --> 01:39:52,080 Dave Jones: the video send us 770 1551 says through fountain 1555 01:39:52,080 --> 01:39:55,110 and he says thank you just contributing a finish boob job 1556 01:39:55,110 --> 01:40:03,420 for you is 71 Oh is 70 155 One's a finished boob for you. Boost 1557 01:40:03,780 --> 01:40:07,440 boost. Turns out boobs are a tad more pricey around here. Yeah 1558 01:40:07,440 --> 01:40:10,380 challenge everybody to donate a boob in their own language. 1559 01:40:10,620 --> 01:40:14,820 Adam Curry: Oh, so maybe that well a boo would be 808 I don't 1560 01:40:14,820 --> 01:40:16,620 know. We'll take it thank you. 1561 01:40:19,560 --> 01:40:21,900 Dave Jones: Upset Sasha Larissa from Joel wn no no Thank you 1562 01:40:21,900 --> 01:40:29,220 Joel slewed sent us 1098 testing to show a friend lots of demo 1563 01:40:29,220 --> 01:40:33,930 and going on the dirty Jersey horror came in with 19 760 says 1564 01:40:33,930 --> 01:40:35,520 go podcasting y'all be good 1565 01:40:35,550 --> 01:40:40,020 Adam Curry: yo man thank you very much podcast. Sir dirty 1566 01:40:40,020 --> 01:40:40,740 Jersey whore. 1567 01:40:41,670 --> 01:40:44,970 Dave Jones: Jean been 8649 through cast thematic he says I 1568 01:40:44,970 --> 01:40:48,060 like the idea of tags following the Unix philosophy of doing one 1569 01:40:48,060 --> 01:40:51,240 thing and doing it well. By the way, the boost amount is the t 1570 01:40:51,240 --> 01:40:53,070 nine version of the word Unix. 1571 01:40:53,310 --> 01:40:57,870 Adam Curry: Ooh t nine. By the way, we just t nine. 1572 01:40:58,710 --> 01:40:59,550 Dave Jones: What is t nine? 1573 01:40:59,640 --> 01:41:06,090 Adam Curry: This isn't me isn't t nine. The t nine is the it's 1574 01:41:06,090 --> 01:41:07,800 not the predictive text. 1575 01:41:09,630 --> 01:41:12,030 Dave Jones: T not as predictive text technology. Okay, all 1576 01:41:12,030 --> 01:41:13,230 right. It gets you to 1577 01:41:13,620 --> 01:41:18,600 Adam Curry: SD Steven B rightly says in a new boost. Tell sir TJ 1578 01:41:18,600 --> 01:41:21,930 to check out curio caster which has a music tab or Ellen beats, 1579 01:41:22,170 --> 01:41:24,690 which is a dedicated V for V music player. I don't know what 1580 01:41:24,690 --> 01:41:30,030 the URL is from Ellen beats. Change the MSP to Ellen beats. 1581 01:41:30,510 --> 01:41:32,430 Dave Jones: I don't know what No, that's right. That's right. 1582 01:41:32,430 --> 01:41:32,640 Yeah. 1583 01:41:32,760 --> 01:41:35,790 Adam Curry: I like to know like Ellen beach.com. Or that's a 1584 01:41:35,790 --> 01:41:38,010 good name. It's a great name. I like that a lot. 1585 01:41:38,430 --> 01:41:42,840 Dave Jones: Mike, Mike Dale, Todd's partner in crime 1701 1586 01:41:42,840 --> 01:41:49,500 Star Trek nerd boost. He knows 1701 Right. No, that's the 1587 01:41:49,530 --> 01:41:53,100 that's the nomenclature, the model number of the enterprise 1588 01:41:53,190 --> 01:41:54,570 NCC 1701 This 1589 01:41:54,570 --> 01:42:00,030 Adam Curry: is where Hey, okay, stop the show. First of all, ln 1590 01:42:00,030 --> 01:42:03,270 beach.com It looks cool. Steven didn't even see that. Second. 1591 01:42:03,720 --> 01:42:07,620 You've got to tell everybody about your selfie with William 1592 01:42:07,620 --> 01:42:08,190 Shatner. 1593 01:42:08,940 --> 01:42:13,050 Dave Jones: Oh, yeah. Yeah, it was a scam. That's what it was. 1594 01:42:13,380 --> 01:42:18,750 This is a huge scam. If you ever go to a Comic Con, and you and 1595 01:42:18,750 --> 01:42:21,660 you have the option to get your picture made with the Star Trek 1596 01:42:21,660 --> 01:42:27,090 guys for Shatner individually. Say no. Because this is this is 1597 01:42:27,090 --> 01:42:29,640 how it happens. This is great. By 1598 01:42:29,640 --> 01:42:31,410 Adam Curry: the way. It was horrible. 1599 01:42:31,440 --> 01:42:35,670 Dave Jones: So what what did you have? You can buy in advance you 1600 01:42:35,670 --> 01:42:40,890 can buy in advance like you paid Yeah, paid via you pay for it. 1601 01:42:41,070 --> 01:42:48,780 Dude, this guy Shatner at his booth has it's like $120 for an 1602 01:42:48,780 --> 01:42:52,890 autographed picture. And then and that includes two words like 1603 01:42:53,550 --> 01:43:03,060 like like Fox you in for every additional word is 30 bucks. So 1604 01:43:03,060 --> 01:43:03,300 this 1605 01:43:04,500 --> 01:43:06,840 Adam Curry: Oh man, I'm in the wrong business. 1606 01:43:07,890 --> 01:43:11,130 Dave Jones: Then then the for the picture you pay in advance. 1607 01:43:11,130 --> 01:43:12,900 You have like these different packages. You can get your 1608 01:43:12,900 --> 01:43:17,070 picture made with just Shatner with Shatner plus the Star Trek 1609 01:43:17,100 --> 01:43:19,500 Next Generation crew was there's all these different 1610 01:43:19,500 --> 01:43:23,550 configuration packages. Oh, no. Yes packages. So you get in 1611 01:43:23,550 --> 01:43:28,440 there. And then in the way it's set up is there's Shatner and 1612 01:43:28,440 --> 01:43:32,490 the Star Trek people on on one side of a piece of plexiglass. 1613 01:43:33,480 --> 01:43:36,210 And you on the other side, you're not even anywhere close 1614 01:43:36,210 --> 01:43:38,190 to there. Four feet five feet away, so 1615 01:43:38,190 --> 01:43:41,700 Adam Curry: none of your cooties can float onto them. Yes, right. 1616 01:43:41,730 --> 01:43:44,460 Dave Jones: Yeah, exactly. So you're like, everybody can 1617 01:43:44,460 --> 01:43:47,280 everybody in the all the patient base kind of leaning as much as 1618 01:43:47,280 --> 01:43:47,700 they can. 1619 01:43:51,900 --> 01:43:54,420 Adam Curry: You can see the plexi glasses and shadows just 1620 01:43:54,420 --> 01:43:57,300 sitting there. Like, you know, like Weekend at Bernie's, like, 1621 01:43:57,510 --> 01:43:58,530 oh, yeah, 1622 01:43:59,070 --> 01:44:01,140 Dave Jones: you go you go through and they look at you 1623 01:44:01,140 --> 01:44:03,240 through the plexiglass and they're light and I'm just like, 1624 01:44:03,270 --> 01:44:04,620 I don't know what Hey, 1625 01:44:05,549 --> 01:44:08,309 Adam Curry: could they hear it? You need this prison phones? 1626 01:44:08,729 --> 01:44:10,379 That would make it perfect. Yeah, 1627 01:44:10,590 --> 01:44:13,860 Dave Jones: yes, exactly. No, do not pay for this people. 1628 01:44:13,920 --> 01:44:16,890 Adam Curry: It's I'm sorry. I'm dying. I know you were excited. 1629 01:44:16,890 --> 01:44:18,060 And that's very disappointing. 1630 01:44:18,510 --> 01:44:21,000 Dave Jones: Yeah, it was but we get to see lots of nerds so that 1631 01:44:21,000 --> 01:44:21,300 was fun. 1632 01:44:23,250 --> 01:44:25,140 Adam Curry: Yay for nerds. Good. 1633 01:44:25,620 --> 01:44:29,160 Dave Jones: Bill Prague. 5000 SATs at the fountain. He says 1634 01:44:29,160 --> 01:44:31,260 yes, Hive does have decentralized identities and 1635 01:44:31,260 --> 01:44:34,680 comments, ensure better keys and a better keys architecture. You 1636 01:44:34,680 --> 01:44:36,810 can leak your key and not lose your account. 1637 01:44:37,530 --> 01:44:38,520 Adam Curry: Oh, 1638 01:44:39,900 --> 01:44:43,380 Dave Jones: anonymous note through cast MATIC 22 two to two 1639 01:44:43,380 --> 01:44:44,370 big row ducks. 1640 01:44:44,400 --> 01:44:46,680 Adam Curry: Thank you. Thank you duck. So mom's good. 1641 01:44:52,020 --> 01:44:55,200 Dave Jones: pricy pants 10,000 SATs through fountain How about 1642 01:44:55,200 --> 01:44:58,830 a juice cast app? I would willingly pay 50 cents an 1643 01:44:58,830 --> 01:45:02,490 episode like the OG bucks as a truck driver, I listen all day 1644 01:45:02,490 --> 01:45:05,670 every day and 2.0 is awesome. But I just can't boost every 1645 01:45:05,670 --> 01:45:09,420 show but what essentially would but would easily pay 50 cents if 1646 01:45:09,420 --> 01:45:12,540 I could queue it up. That's a great idea for an app. There's 1647 01:45:12,930 --> 01:45:15,120 Adam Curry: this Elon beats looks nice by the way. 1648 01:45:17,730 --> 01:45:19,590 Dave Jones: It's not just rebranded MSP. 1649 01:45:19,620 --> 01:45:24,150 Adam Curry: Yeah, but it looks nice. Okay. Cool logo was I 1650 01:45:24,150 --> 01:45:25,320 don't know he did something different. 1651 01:45:25,620 --> 01:45:27,900 Dave Jones: That is a good logo looks nice. Looks real nice. 1652 01:45:28,680 --> 01:45:33,060 That is a good idea for an app though. We Bouchard a random 1653 01:45:33,060 --> 01:45:35,280 song. I mean, get to pick a song. Yeah, that'd 1654 01:45:35,280 --> 01:45:36,450 Adam Curry: be great. lined it up. 1655 01:45:36,510 --> 01:45:41,340 Dave Jones: You bet. Comic Strip blogger. 15. Oh, 33. Now this is 1656 01:45:41,340 --> 01:45:45,060 his reduced boost from last week evidently. Because we didn't 1657 01:45:45,060 --> 01:45:46,350 have a show but he still boosted us. 1658 01:45:46,380 --> 01:45:47,490 Adam Curry: Thank you. Appreciate it. 1659 01:45:48,060 --> 01:45:50,490 Dave Jones: He says, Dear AC, I wanted to take a moment to send 1660 01:45:50,490 --> 01:45:53,100 you my warmest wishes as you recover from your recent dental 1661 01:45:53,100 --> 01:45:56,070 surgery. Remember, healing takes time. So be patient with 1662 01:45:56,070 --> 01:45:59,250 yourself. Do not rush the process. Take this opportunity 1663 01:45:59,250 --> 01:46:01,860 to rest rejuvenate and focus on your health. Follow your 1664 01:46:01,860 --> 01:46:04,830 doctor's advice, keep a positive mindset and you will be back to 1665 01:46:04,830 --> 01:46:07,590 normal routine before you know it sending healing vibes your 1666 01:46:07,590 --> 01:46:09,870 way Yossi as well. Thank you CSB. 1667 01:46:09,870 --> 01:46:12,480 Adam Curry: Well, I took your advice. And today at school and 1668 01:46:12,480 --> 01:46:15,360 here I say school your drugs 1669 01:46:16,530 --> 01:46:17,880 Dave Jones: except the ones your doctor gets 1670 01:46:18,480 --> 01:46:20,550 Adam Curry: shitty drugs. I didn't get any good drugs this 1671 01:46:20,550 --> 01:46:23,640 time. Good drugs. Borlaug. 1701 1672 01:46:23,640 --> 01:46:26,220 Dave Jones: Oh, says wanted to say thank you and I'm still 1673 01:46:26,220 --> 01:46:29,070 trying to find my own special amount to boost as a signature 1674 01:46:29,160 --> 01:46:33,330 like all the cool kids do this in honor of Mr. Jones. Oh, thank 1675 01:46:33,330 --> 01:46:37,710 you. That's so cool. 1776 from Lyceum, Martin Lyndsay go 1676 01:46:37,710 --> 01:46:42,270 Liberty boost of 1776 Satoshis go podcasting. 2.0 got a great 1677 01:46:42,300 --> 01:46:46,680 online event on my digital townhall talking about new 1678 01:46:46,680 --> 01:46:49,740 podcast apps value for value model namespace tags, etc. 1679 01:46:50,130 --> 01:46:53,310 Thanks to Bhumi of Alby Sam of pod fans at all for showing 1680 01:46:53,310 --> 01:46:55,710 interest in my event and I will have this kind of live streaming 1681 01:46:55,710 --> 01:46:57,510 event once a month. Martin Linda's go 1682 01:46:57,540 --> 01:46:59,880 Adam Curry: hi. Oh, Sam, could you do me a favor? Could you 1683 01:46:59,910 --> 01:47:04,620 email me right now? Our lightning wallet that I can put 1684 01:47:04,620 --> 01:47:09,420 your split for this episode in for sure. Yeah. And Steven B 1685 01:47:09,420 --> 01:47:12,780 says LM beats lets you build a playlist and send a set amount 1686 01:47:12,780 --> 01:47:15,600 of SAS at the end of each song pretty much lets you build your 1687 01:47:15,600 --> 01:47:19,470 own jukebox. Jukebox in a box 1688 01:47:20,880 --> 01:47:24,810 Dave Jones: Steven B 3333 through curio caster Of course 1689 01:47:24,810 --> 01:47:28,980 he says in the immortal words of juveniles girl You look so good 1690 01:47:28,980 --> 01:47:30,570 once you boost back that adds up. 1691 01:47:32,670 --> 01:47:35,220 Adam Curry: Boost backs boost that bass backs come on come on 1692 01:47:35,220 --> 01:47:35,790 come on come on. 1693 01:47:36,630 --> 01:47:40,290 Dave Jones: PS those a bet those backsides not three seconds in 1694 01:47:40,290 --> 01:47:47,580 boost amount don't understand No. See era statica 50,000 SATs 1695 01:47:47,610 --> 01:47:51,510 Hi Sue fountain as always great work guys booster grands rule if 1696 01:47:51,510 --> 01:47:57,120 you're new. And you do to Gene been 20 to 22 roadex is just 1697 01:47:57,120 --> 01:48:01,020 sending a test from the cast ematic beta that now uses lb Oh 1698 01:48:01,020 --> 01:48:03,990 yeah, that's right cast O Matic is rolling out lb support cool. 1699 01:48:04,470 --> 01:48:07,200 The migration of sass from the legacy wallet to lb could not 1700 01:48:07,200 --> 01:48:08,010 have been easier. 1701 01:48:10,110 --> 01:48:16,620 Adam Curry: is ln pay now? Like addition, decommission legacy 1702 01:48:17,010 --> 01:48:19,200 Dave Jones: forever. I guess we're just gonna have to we're 1703 01:48:19,200 --> 01:48:22,110 just gonna have to monitor and see how long it takes for 1704 01:48:22,110 --> 01:48:22,800 everyone to buy 1705 01:48:22,800 --> 01:48:24,570 Unknown: it off. Yeah, okay. 1706 01:48:26,250 --> 01:48:31,590 Dave Jones: Boom is 2100 now I guess he's doing another demo. A 1707 01:48:32,130 --> 01:48:36,960 huddle rodeos. And as for 20 says, it says on wave lake a 1708 01:48:36,960 --> 01:48:40,440 feed is created for each album, which can have additional tracks 1709 01:48:40,440 --> 01:48:43,770 published to it after initiating it a feed is not created until 1710 01:48:43,770 --> 01:48:48,240 an album with at least one tracks published here is tracks 1711 01:48:48,240 --> 01:48:51,600 from debasement by debased ghost Okay, so he's linking to that. 1712 01:48:51,690 --> 01:48:54,960 Adam Curry: Okay, I think I think I saw that on LM beats 1713 01:48:54,990 --> 01:48:58,500 what what's it called? What's the name of the what was that 1714 01:48:58,500 --> 01:48:59,400 debasement 1715 01:48:59,610 --> 01:49:05,670 Dave Jones: was the bet yeah, they just deleted debase. I'm 1716 01:49:05,670 --> 01:49:07,590 sorry, I don't know how to get it back. What's the I don't have 1717 01:49:07,590 --> 01:49:15,480 to get back? I'm in Thunderbird. Why? Why on earth? It because I 1718 01:49:15,480 --> 01:49:18,480 know why. Because it's the only one that reliably shows me 1719 01:49:19,080 --> 01:49:19,860 emojis 1720 01:49:19,950 --> 01:49:24,660 Adam Curry: and doing boosts redoing all of Thunderbird. I 1721 01:49:24,660 --> 01:49:28,560 heard about that. Yeah. And also and with that, the what would I 1722 01:49:28,560 --> 01:49:34,230 use canine for for my graphing OS that will that will also be 1723 01:49:34,230 --> 01:49:35,880 completely upgraded and fixed. 1724 01:49:36,330 --> 01:49:37,890 Dave Jones: You know, he's much on graphing. 1725 01:49:39,900 --> 01:49:43,440 Adam Curry: I still fire up might you know I need because 1726 01:49:43,440 --> 01:49:47,970 we're crazy. might have some great sorting capabilities is a 1727 01:49:47,970 --> 01:49:49,410 lot of reasons to use mud. 1728 01:49:50,460 --> 01:49:53,910 Dave Jones: Comics for your blogger, the delimiter 30 3015. 1729 01:49:54,390 --> 01:49:57,450 He says, dashing Dave and electric electric bus I don't 1730 01:49:57,450 --> 01:49:59,970 even know what that word means. What is alacrity is me luck. 1731 01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:03,030 Adam Curry: To bed and Sam, are you still with us? 1732 01:50:03,360 --> 01:50:04,650 Unknown: I am. I am. 1733 01:50:05,070 --> 01:50:07,350 Adam Curry: I just want to make sure you're alive. keeled over 1734 01:50:07,620 --> 01:50:11,100 elantas saying what is Electress? Let me search it. 1735 01:50:11,700 --> 01:50:14,100 Dave Jones: Dashing Dave and electric is Adam, it is 1736 01:50:14,730 --> 01:50:17,520 Unknown: outside ship for you but I can't even say, 1737 01:50:18,150 --> 01:50:23,610 Adam Curry: cheerful. Biddy eager at that sounds like me. 1738 01:50:25,020 --> 01:50:28,170 Dave Jones: Your dedicated focus bringing 2.0 developments to the 1739 01:50:28,170 --> 01:50:32,700 people of planet podcast is akin to a Herculean human effort 1740 01:50:32,790 --> 01:50:36,300 building the Ancient Wonders of the World. The AI dot cooking 1741 01:50:36,300 --> 01:50:39,480 podcast show is worth promoting because it is a bi weekly 1742 01:50:39,480 --> 01:50:42,840 roundup of curated news items about artificial intelligence, 1743 01:50:42,930 --> 01:50:46,380 which is being set up as the fall guy for elitist mistakes, 1744 01:50:46,440 --> 01:50:50,760 manipulating them, subscribe to it, because to be understood, 1745 01:50:50,790 --> 01:50:54,510 first, you must understand you see us being worth 1746 01:50:55,140 --> 01:50:58,470 Adam Curry: THANK YOU GUYS AI doc cooking everybody. Nothing 1747 01:50:58,470 --> 01:51:02,670 like them supporting a show that slams ai i think that's that's 1748 01:51:02,700 --> 01:51:04,620 very, very poetic in a way. 1749 01:51:05,490 --> 01:51:09,600 Dave Jones: monthlies. We get Cameron Rose $25 Sean McCune $20 1750 01:51:09,630 --> 01:51:14,880 Christopher Raymer $10 James Sullivan $10 con glass Buck $5 1751 01:51:15,210 --> 01:51:20,820 Jordan Dunnville $10 Michael Kimmer $5.33 Lesley Martin $2 1752 01:51:21,090 --> 01:51:27,300 Dred Scott $15 Aaron Reno. $5 Pedro gun calvess $5 Chad 1753 01:51:27,300 --> 01:51:34,710 Pharaoh $20.22. Scott Jalbert $12 Martin Linda's code $1 Mark 1754 01:51:34,710 --> 01:51:39,690 Graham $1. Joseph maraca $5 and Jeremy new $5. That's our group. 1755 01:51:39,839 --> 01:51:41,729 Adam Curry: And thank you all very much for supporting 1756 01:51:41,729 --> 01:51:46,859 podcasting 2.0 the podcast the time that we put in the servers, 1757 01:51:46,949 --> 01:51:51,059 really everything that we have running. And it also of course, 1758 01:51:51,089 --> 01:51:54,359 everything you do in Satoshis goes straight into the node. We 1759 01:51:54,359 --> 01:51:57,929 don't take that out. We use that for for liquidity. Anybody who 1760 01:51:57,929 --> 01:52:01,499 needs it, we're happy to provide that to even at these crazy high 1761 01:52:01,499 --> 01:52:06,149 fees. Man, I saw a 55 visa fee the other day, 1762 01:52:06,180 --> 01:52:08,190 Dave Jones: Holy God Almighty. 1763 01:52:09,450 --> 01:52:11,580 Adam Curry: And when you're opening a million SATs, it's 1764 01:52:11,580 --> 01:52:15,630 like oh, okay, well do a half hour here instead of what was an 1765 01:52:15,630 --> 01:52:19,500 hour instead of half hour. Again, podcast index.org. The 1766 01:52:19,500 --> 01:52:23,520 bottom that you can find a spot to dog big donate button for 1767 01:52:23,520 --> 01:52:26,340 your pay pal. But we really appreciate if you get one of 1768 01:52:26,340 --> 01:52:30,510 those modern apps at podcast apps.com and use that to boost 1769 01:52:30,510 --> 01:52:34,740 us it's very much appreciated. Sam, we're very appreciative of 1770 01:52:34,740 --> 01:52:37,680 the time, talent and treasure, you are also a frequent booster 1771 01:52:37,980 --> 01:52:41,250 now that you've put into to the whole project. And I'm so 1772 01:52:41,250 --> 01:52:45,240 excited to see pod fans take off. And it's the as you know, 1773 01:52:45,240 --> 01:52:48,870 we're happy to promote and do anything. And so whenever you're 1774 01:52:48,870 --> 01:52:51,120 ready for the for the heavy hand, we're here for you, 1775 01:52:51,120 --> 01:52:51,480 brother. 1776 01:52:52,020 --> 01:52:54,240 Unknown: Oh, nice. Thanks, Adam. And Dave, I mean, look, you 1777 01:52:54,240 --> 01:52:56,700 know, none of this would be possible without YouTube. And I 1778 01:52:56,700 --> 01:52:57,870 so thank you very much. 1779 01:52:58,410 --> 01:53:01,020 Adam Curry: We've sprouted so many businesses and careers. 1780 01:53:01,020 --> 01:53:01,950 We're so proud. 1781 01:53:04,530 --> 01:53:07,830 Unknown: Right, Dave? Having watching your children grow out 1782 01:53:07,830 --> 01:53:07,980 and 1783 01:53:09,360 --> 01:53:10,200 Dave Jones: children? 1784 01:53:10,589 --> 01:53:12,389 Adam Curry: Well, go ahead. 1785 01:53:12,900 --> 01:53:15,180 Dave Jones: No, I've got I've got too many kids already. I 1786 01:53:15,180 --> 01:53:15,840 don't need more. 1787 01:53:16,650 --> 01:53:18,900 Adam Curry: And they never get off the payroll for some reason. 1788 01:53:21,030 --> 01:53:23,670 You know, that's interesting, because I we rarely think of it 1789 01:53:23,670 --> 01:53:27,330 that way. But I think from time to time, maybe once every six 1790 01:53:27,330 --> 01:53:31,710 months, we'll be like, Wow, this is kind of cool. This thing we 1791 01:53:31,710 --> 01:53:35,070 started when I would text message. Hey, this is kind of 1792 01:53:35,070 --> 01:53:36,900 cool. What's happening here? Who would have thunk? 1793 01:53:37,530 --> 01:53:39,450 Dave Jones: I think it hits me when we don't get the chance to 1794 01:53:39,450 --> 01:53:42,840 do a show. Like what like last Friday when it's like, I just 1795 01:53:42,840 --> 01:53:46,080 want to just get the edge like I'm not sure I'm not. I just 1796 01:53:46,080 --> 01:53:48,660 want to do it because there's so much going on there. So I mean, 1797 01:53:48,660 --> 01:53:51,090 like, I've got a whole page of stuff that we didn't even get to 1798 01:53:52,830 --> 01:53:56,760 Adam Curry: tell me what. So I can put it in my in my brain. 1799 01:53:57,180 --> 01:53:57,900 For next 1800 01:53:58,680 --> 01:54:03,720 Dave Jones: chat. The chat tag. We made some changes to it. The 1801 01:54:03,840 --> 01:54:08,340 we put some attributes on it. Alex's peer tube. Oh, yeah, 1802 01:54:08,340 --> 01:54:12,390 Adam Curry: it was all that yeah, pod. Pod roll, 1803 01:54:12,540 --> 01:54:15,990 Dave Jones: get some things we need to read. We need to talk 1804 01:54:15,990 --> 01:54:19,680 about that. And we need to talk about remote item. I had a whole 1805 01:54:19,680 --> 01:54:23,610 thing I was going to try. I was going to try to convince sand to 1806 01:54:23,640 --> 01:54:26,460 embrace remote item with both hands. You want to try that 1807 01:54:26,460 --> 01:54:26,730 before 1808 01:54:26,730 --> 01:54:28,710 Adam Curry: we leave you want you want to hold on to it. You 1809 01:54:28,710 --> 01:54:29,700 want to hold on to that. 1810 01:54:30,510 --> 01:54:32,610 Dave Jones: I will I will hold on to because I know you get a 1811 01:54:32,610 --> 01:54:33,180 heart out. 1812 01:54:34,410 --> 01:54:37,500 Adam Curry: Yes, I do. I have my post op post op post. I've gotta 1813 01:54:37,500 --> 01:54:40,140 go Yeah, I do. I Yeah. Okay. 1814 01:54:40,560 --> 01:54:42,750 Unknown: And with Pedro, can I just say can we keep it simple, 1815 01:54:42,780 --> 01:54:43,620 it works. 1816 01:54:44,310 --> 01:54:47,460 Dave Jones: It I think we can keep it simple. With Remote 1817 01:54:47,460 --> 01:54:51,360 item. I promise you it will not be Oh will not make it any more 1818 01:54:51,360 --> 01:54:52,050 complicated. 1819 01:54:52,110 --> 01:54:54,030 Adam Curry: What you're gonna put yourself in my remote items 1820 01:54:54,030 --> 01:54:55,470 is going to be a part of pod roll. 1821 01:54:55,980 --> 01:54:58,830 Dave Jones: That I think it needs to be because actually 1822 01:54:59,280 --> 01:55:02,370 this is the thing Remote item and I just said I was going to 1823 01:55:02,370 --> 01:55:08,820 do it I'm doing it remote item is is is got to be the official 1824 01:55:08,820 --> 01:55:14,220 way to reference an external piece of content. It just has to 1825 01:55:14,220 --> 01:55:17,610 be big it had there has to be a structure because here, let me 1826 01:55:17,610 --> 01:55:20,910 boil down remote item into into his most simple basic form 1827 01:55:21,300 --> 01:55:27,270 remote item with one attribute that is feed that is feed good. 1828 01:55:27,990 --> 01:55:31,800 It's just that so your pod role can have, instead of a list of 1829 01:55:31,800 --> 01:55:34,800 goo is separated by a comma, it can just have a list of remote 1830 01:55:34,800 --> 01:55:38,790 items with a feed good. It's essentially the same thing. But 1831 01:55:38,790 --> 01:55:42,990 the the reason we need remote item to exist, it has to be 1832 01:55:42,990 --> 01:55:46,440 there has to be this standardized way of referring to 1833 01:55:46,470 --> 01:55:51,450 a piece of content in a in a remote piece and remote feed. So 1834 01:55:51,450 --> 01:55:56,550 your remote item remote item is it can be as simple as just a 1835 01:55:56,550 --> 01:56:01,320 feed good. Or it can be the feed Gu id plus the item. Good. So 1836 01:56:01,320 --> 01:56:05,940 now you're referencing and remote episode. Or it can be the 1837 01:56:05,940 --> 01:56:14,160 feed guid plus plus a feed URL plus a Episode Good. And now Now 1838 01:56:14,190 --> 01:56:18,990 that gives you and here here's here's the issue for apps that 1839 01:56:18,990 --> 01:56:23,460 don't have their own back end, like antenna pod or caste 1840 01:56:23,460 --> 01:56:29,010 ematic. If we just use Gu IDs, they they're going to be 1841 01:56:29,010 --> 01:56:34,200 hamstrung because they won't, they'll have to do lookups when 1842 01:56:34,200 --> 01:56:37,740 they go to resolve the GUID to find the URL, and they may not 1843 01:56:37,740 --> 01:56:42,540 have like cast ematic Franco doesn't even have a server. So 1844 01:56:42,660 --> 01:56:46,620 where do you go to get that good resolution? So I think we have 1845 01:56:46,620 --> 01:56:51,960 to have something that offers like layered fallbacks. And I 1846 01:56:51,960 --> 01:56:56,220 think remote item is just a simple, it's a very simple tag, 1847 01:56:56,220 --> 01:57:02,100 it just says, here's a way to reference an external item. And 1848 01:57:02,100 --> 01:57:05,310 so then if we use that as the building block to build up pod 1849 01:57:05,310 --> 01:57:10,200 roll in, and then other things like that's essentially what 1850 01:57:10,200 --> 01:57:14,760 we're doing with with value time split, then there you go. Like 1851 01:57:14,760 --> 01:57:16,950 you can just plug and play this thing is like Lego blocks, it 1852 01:57:16,950 --> 01:57:22,680 can go anywhere. Pod sage has spoken. Did I sell it? Is it 1853 01:57:22,680 --> 01:57:23,280 sold? 1854 01:57:23,730 --> 01:57:26,370 Adam Curry: I pay you money just to never say that thing again. 1855 01:57:29,820 --> 01:57:34,380 Like crushing you last? No, no, you I, I'm I'm like jazz, 1856 01:57:34,380 --> 01:57:38,430 whatever. Dave says, My brain hurts my brain hurt from that. 1857 01:57:38,880 --> 01:57:41,460 Unknown: To be fair, if you look at the current pod, bro, you got 1858 01:57:41,460 --> 01:57:45,600 rally calls, channel rally cars, Episode, rally calls, whatever, 1859 01:57:46,170 --> 01:57:50,010 replace rally calls with remote item price, fundamentally, 1860 01:57:50,010 --> 01:57:52,920 you're doing the same thing. So I get it. It's not that 1861 01:57:52,920 --> 01:57:57,120 difficult to implement. It's a case of, again, if everyone 1862 01:57:57,120 --> 01:58:00,240 agrees on on what we're going to do then then then the app 1863 01:58:00,240 --> 01:58:02,970 developers like, you know, we can get on with it. But I think 1864 01:58:02,970 --> 01:58:05,820 he's a moving target. So the easiest one for us to do to 1865 01:58:05,820 --> 01:58:09,780 prove that there was actually a way of going forward was to just 1866 01:58:09,780 --> 01:58:14,520 do the GUID comma element within the pop role. And that worked 1867 01:58:14,520 --> 01:58:17,910 straight away. So that was why we did it. But obviously, if we 1868 01:58:17,910 --> 01:58:21,420 think, you know, we can extend it with value then we'll do it. 1869 01:58:22,110 --> 01:58:27,240 Dave Jones: I will trade you I will trade you. REL equals for 1870 01:58:27,270 --> 01:58:28,170 remote item. 1871 01:58:28,620 --> 01:58:30,960 Unknown: That's what I'm saying though. It's very easy to do. 1872 01:58:31,380 --> 01:58:34,140 This is old tell me that's the standard then we'll do it. 1873 01:58:34,710 --> 01:58:35,190 Sweet. 1874 01:58:35,340 --> 01:58:36,420 Adam Curry: We have an agreement 1875 01:58:36,840 --> 01:58:39,030 Dave Jones: now and we have an agreement and then I'm gonna 1876 01:58:39,030 --> 01:58:42,420 post it on the discussion thing and Kevin Kevin from Buzzsprout 1877 01:58:42,420 --> 01:58:43,560 is gonna be like no 1878 01:58:46,980 --> 01:58:49,080 Adam Curry: I'm gonna back you. I'm backing you Dave. I'm 1879 01:58:49,080 --> 01:58:49,740 backing you. 1880 01:58:50,910 --> 01:58:53,160 Dave Jones: I'm building my team. That's right. 1881 01:58:53,160 --> 01:58:55,320 Adam Curry: Yes. Right. We got Dave's army right here. We're 1882 01:58:55,320 --> 01:58:58,710 back in the pod sage all the way pod sage all the way Hey, hey ho 1883 01:58:58,710 --> 01:59:00,390 ho pod shades are the way to go. 1884 01:59:01,230 --> 01:59:04,320 Dave Jones: Mode army metallized 1885 01:59:04,350 --> 01:59:07,800 Adam Curry: Sam Southie pod fans.fm. Sam, thank you so much 1886 01:59:07,800 --> 01:59:11,580 for being with us. Have a great evening. And enjoy painting your 1887 01:59:11,580 --> 01:59:16,200 nails tomorrow. While while Chuck will chuck does his thing 1888 01:59:16,200 --> 01:59:16,590 there 1889 01:59:16,740 --> 01:59:18,060 Dave Jones: while the world burns 1890 01:59:18,150 --> 01:59:21,540 Adam Curry: throughout the world. Dave my brother had 1891 01:59:21,540 --> 01:59:25,050 yourself a great weekend. He to me chat room. Thank you all very 1892 01:59:25,050 --> 01:59:28,710 much. And we will return in one week from now for another board 1893 01:59:28,710 --> 01:59:32,550 meeting of podcasting 2.0 And thank you all very much for 1894 01:59:32,550 --> 01:59:35,190 boosting us and supporting us. We'll see you then take care 1895 01:59:35,190 --> 01:59:36,360 everybody bye bye. 1896 01:59:52,230 --> 01:59:56,130 Unknown: You have been listening to podcasting 2.0 to visit 1897 01:59:56,130 --> 01:59:59,970 podcasts in this dashboard. For more information go to law 1898 02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:02,010 Dave Jones: Just a shameless horror