Episode 124: Undeplatformable

1 00:00:00,780 --> 00:00:06,210 Adam Curry: podcasting 2.0 March 4 2023 Episode 124 on D flat 2 00:00:06,210 --> 00:00:12,990 formable hello everybody welcome to a delayed board meeting of 3 00:00:12,990 --> 00:00:17,070 podcasting 2.0 preserving, protecting and extending the 4 00:00:17,100 --> 00:00:20,220 open independent podcasting ecosystem that's what we're all 5 00:00:20,220 --> 00:00:22,980 about. And we talk about it once a week with everybody in the 6 00:00:22,980 --> 00:00:25,740 board meeting everything happening at podcast index.org 7 00:00:25,950 --> 00:00:29,190 Of course the podcast namespace and everything at podcast index 8 00:00:29,190 --> 00:00:31,890 dot social. I'm Adam curry here in the heart of the tech show 9 00:00:31,890 --> 00:00:36,060 country and Alabama. The man who fills up your generator say 10 00:00:36,060 --> 00:00:38,460 hello to my friend on the other end. Ladies and gentlemen, Mr. 11 00:00:38,460 --> 00:00:40,080 Dave Jones. 12 00:00:41,340 --> 00:00:43,260 Unknown: Adam Clark curry. Yes. 13 00:00:44,790 --> 00:00:47,970 Dave Jones: Don't for one day. Party. 14 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:50,460 Adam Curry: Why are you being stern with me? You threw out an 15 00:00:50,460 --> 00:00:53,070 Adam Clark curry that triggered me right away. 16 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:54,660 Dave Jones: Yeah, no, I knew it would. 17 00:00:55,500 --> 00:00:57,390 Adam Curry: David Ashley Jones. 18 00:00:57,510 --> 00:01:03,150 Dave Jones: Yes. There's only one I only have one rule and 19 00:01:03,150 --> 00:01:04,770 then no part no part long gone. 20 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:09,030 Adam Curry: But we cleaned up. There was only Dame DeLoreans 21 00:01:09,030 --> 00:01:11,700 panties apparently around the flagpole. Everything else was 22 00:01:11,700 --> 00:01:15,060 clean. We didn't do anything. Anything bad. I'm so sorry. 23 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:18,540 Dave Jones: It was much entertaining. 24 00:01:18,570 --> 00:01:20,910 Adam Curry: Oh, well. You heard it while you're at the office 25 00:01:20,910 --> 00:01:21,330 listening. 26 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:24,630 Dave Jones: I got a bootleg. I got somebody sent me a bootleg. 27 00:01:24,630 --> 00:01:25,290 Okay, I 28 00:01:25,290 --> 00:01:28,020 Adam Curry: purposely did not record because I didn't want any 29 00:01:28,020 --> 00:01:30,660 evidence that we were breaking the law not only breaking the 30 00:01:30,660 --> 00:01:34,020 law by playing two and a half hours of licensed music on the 31 00:01:34,020 --> 00:01:38,010 stream, but also taking money for it which which is, I think a 32 00:01:38,010 --> 00:01:39,300 super violation. 33 00:01:40,020 --> 00:01:44,040 Dave Jones: There there is there is a bootleg if you know the 34 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:48,060 right guy down on Fifth Avenue, behind the corner. 35 00:01:48,630 --> 00:01:50,400 Adam Curry: Canal Street is what you're talking about Canal 36 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:50,700 Street. 37 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:53,850 Dave Jones: With enough sets you can get a you can get a bootleg 38 00:01:53,850 --> 00:01:54,210 for those 39 00:01:54,210 --> 00:01:55,680 Adam Curry: who are wondering what we're talking about. 40 00:01:55,770 --> 00:01:58,740 Yesterday, we were ready to go for our regular regularly 41 00:01:58,740 --> 00:02:02,250 scheduled board meeting time. And well there were two things 42 00:02:02,250 --> 00:02:05,580 that happen actually, I now the hill country here in Texas had 43 00:02:05,580 --> 00:02:10,620 had a pretty big storm. I have Thursday, Friday and Thursday 44 00:02:10,620 --> 00:02:13,620 and Thursday morning was really bad with golf ball sized hail, 45 00:02:13,950 --> 00:02:19,020 which sounded great against our metal roof. In the morning, I 46 00:02:19,020 --> 00:02:22,470 was crazy. I was I mean the dog was freaked out. I have not seen 47 00:02:22,470 --> 00:02:25,380 our dog freaked out by anything. But this freaked her out. And 48 00:02:25,380 --> 00:02:32,700 then Friday it just I mean, it really missed Fredericksburg and 49 00:02:32,700 --> 00:02:36,450 went right past us. Some prayer was involved, I'm sure. But 50 00:02:37,650 --> 00:02:40,080 Dave Jones: yes, diversionary prayer. Yes, I forgot. 51 00:02:40,830 --> 00:02:44,130 Adam Curry: Yes, but I forgot to add a diversionary tactic for 52 00:02:44,130 --> 00:02:49,020 you. And it hit pretty hard. So So now, somewhere down the line, 53 00:02:49,020 --> 00:02:52,020 my bandwidth was totally crapping out my upstream was 54 00:02:52,020 --> 00:02:57,030 about 500 kilobits per second, which is not the typical 55 00:02:57,030 --> 00:03:01,080 upstream. And that just as as I was figuring that out, you know, 56 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:06,420 bringing out different access points. I've gotten, you know, 57 00:03:06,420 --> 00:03:10,800 I've got T Mobile Verizon, I have, if all else fails, I've 58 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:14,100 got Starlink, although that does introduce some latency. So we're 59 00:03:14,100 --> 00:03:16,800 messing around with that. And then Dave goes, Oh, bad signal. 60 00:03:16,830 --> 00:03:19,590 The power went down in the office. What happened there? 61 00:03:20,220 --> 00:03:24,450 Dave Jones: Yeah, yeah, that's so yeah, I guess yesterday was a 62 00:03:24,450 --> 00:03:28,980 total cluster. I mean, like, I got in the car, even going back 63 00:03:28,980 --> 00:03:33,540 before what? What happened with the show, I got in the car, to 64 00:03:33,540 --> 00:03:37,320 leave to go to the office for work. And I get a ping on my 65 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:41,400 phone. I look down at the phone and it says, you've got a guest, 66 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:47,010 Mike, Michael and Sam from wave lake at 9am. Oh, right. What? 67 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:52,830 None, right? No. 30. And so I get to the office and I emailed 68 00:03:52,830 --> 00:03:53,490 them. And I'm like, 69 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:55,050 Adam Curry: and they're always there. We're sitting ready. They 70 00:03:55,050 --> 00:03:56,580 got the headphones on everything good. 71 00:03:58,500 --> 00:04:01,770 Dave Jones: I was like, Hey, guys, please tell me this was a 72 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:04,650 this was a timezone mix up. And I didn't actually send you a 73 00:04:04,650 --> 00:04:06,570 load report. And they were like, No, you send it for nine. I was 74 00:04:06,570 --> 00:04:07,500 like, damn it. 75 00:04:08,130 --> 00:04:10,080 Adam Curry: How does it? How does that happen? Because you 76 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:13,470 use you know, use Google use your calendar for that. 77 00:04:14,070 --> 00:04:16,920 Dave Jones: Now use fast mails, calendar, but it's all through 78 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:21,420 the iPhone. I don't think I've ever messed that up in in a 79 00:04:21,420 --> 00:04:25,590 mess. I just totally boned it. I mean, like, it was terrible. And 80 00:04:25,590 --> 00:04:28,890 then it turned out it was it was actually good that they didn't, 81 00:04:29,100 --> 00:04:32,520 they didn't that we had to move the interview because then all 82 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:34,350 that stuff happened with your bandwidth and then the power 83 00:04:34,350 --> 00:04:37,800 went off at work. And so then I was like, I gotta go back. I 84 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:39,960 mean, I gotta get back to the office now. 85 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:43,410 Adam Curry: Does it blip or does it fail over nicely to the to 86 00:04:43,410 --> 00:04:46,860 the UPS is that handle the switch over to the generator? 87 00:04:47,220 --> 00:04:51,180 Dave Jones: Yes, it's same. It's seamless. But see, we have for 88 00:04:51,210 --> 00:04:54,420 four reasons. We can't get natural gas. We have diesel 89 00:04:54,420 --> 00:04:55,950 generator. And so 90 00:04:56,100 --> 00:04:58,830 Adam Curry: you are single handedly responsible for climate 91 00:04:58,830 --> 00:04:59,640 change right now. 92 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:04,170 Dave Jones: If I was and I was I was pouring five gallons of 93 00:05:04,170 --> 00:05:08,430 climate change into the generator with every jug less 94 00:05:08,430 --> 00:05:08,550 than 95 00:05:10,349 --> 00:05:12,989 Adam Curry: five gallons of climate change coming right up. 96 00:05:13,019 --> 00:05:15,899 That's how they should measure it. Oh my god, yeah, pretty 97 00:05:15,899 --> 00:05:16,589 climate change. 98 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:20,970 Dave Jones: And that's the so I got like, the lightning struck 99 00:05:20,970 --> 00:05:23,970 the power pole that feeds our building and we have three phase 100 00:05:23,970 --> 00:05:27,750 power. So it took one of the lines, it was just gone. I mean, 101 00:05:27,750 --> 00:05:30,360 like it just blew the thing off the pole. And 102 00:05:31,199 --> 00:05:33,209 Adam Curry: what the whole transformer blew right off the 103 00:05:33,209 --> 00:05:33,539 pole. 104 00:05:33,570 --> 00:05:35,460 Dave Jones: There wasn't a transformer it's like it's like 105 00:05:35,460 --> 00:05:39,240 there's it's three phase so you get three lines coming in in one 106 00:05:39,300 --> 00:05:45,420 one of the connector lines that go off the main was just gone. 107 00:05:45,660 --> 00:05:48,810 And so the power of come they came out 108 00:05:49,980 --> 00:05:52,230 Adam Curry: you didn't get your your your gear out and clamp in 109 00:05:52,230 --> 00:05:53,640 the pole and reconnect that thing. 110 00:05:55,050 --> 00:05:57,210 Dave Jones: I don't I don't know. I don't do a lot of poll 111 00:05:57,210 --> 00:05:57,960 work these days. 112 00:06:00,300 --> 00:06:01,110 Adam Curry: These days. 113 00:06:01,650 --> 00:06:07,890 Dave Jones: Now now I'm on all this. Now, because the isobar is 114 00:06:07,890 --> 00:06:10,170 working so well now I'm just feet. I'm trying to feed the 115 00:06:10,170 --> 00:06:11,790 isobar as much as I can I sell 116 00:06:11,790 --> 00:06:13,890 Adam Curry: bought is unbelievable. I love I was just 117 00:06:13,890 --> 00:06:16,320 telling Tina, how that works is that how does that happen? How 118 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:19,260 do they even do that? It's magic map. They have running, running 119 00:06:19,260 --> 00:06:21,000 some kind of transcript in real time. 120 00:06:21,780 --> 00:06:23,400 Dave Jones: But I got home about one o'clock in the morning. 121 00:06:23,430 --> 00:06:26,520 Adam Curry: Oh my goodness. Power was back on by them. 122 00:06:27,510 --> 00:06:29,730 Dave Jones: Yeah, where they fixed so we had to turn because 123 00:06:29,730 --> 00:06:33,330 it wasn't actually all the way out. It was just it was out of 124 00:06:33,330 --> 00:06:37,710 phase. Only one of the lines was gone. So things were like 125 00:06:38,550 --> 00:06:44,490 flickering lights. were flashing like disco tech. Yeah. 126 00:06:45,660 --> 00:06:47,370 Adam Curry: Phasing. Oh, that's fantastic. 127 00:06:47,670 --> 00:06:50,940 Dave Jones: That was horrible. It was scary. So they were like 128 00:06:50,940 --> 00:06:52,440 yeah, we're shutting the whole thing. We're just shutting the 129 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:55,950 whole Yeah, make sense. Anyway, so did didn't want that. But it 130 00:06:55,950 --> 00:06:58,890 was it was just a weird, man. It's just a weird weekend so 131 00:06:58,890 --> 00:07:00,330 far. Very strange. 132 00:07:00,990 --> 00:07:03,660 Adam Curry: Well, I'm so hot man. So and you and your work 133 00:07:03,660 --> 00:07:06,840 today as well at the office? I did. Yeah. Because he went right 134 00:07:06,840 --> 00:07:12,090 back in at nine o'clock. No. Was there eight? Yeah. After getting 135 00:07:12,090 --> 00:07:12,810 home at one. 136 00:07:13,530 --> 00:07:15,600 Dave Jones: Yeah, but I'm gonna I'm gonna sleep really good 137 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:18,300 tomorrow. Okay, I'm making that today. I'm making up for it. 138 00:07:18,300 --> 00:07:21,510 Tonight. I took a shower, before the show to like, wake myself up 139 00:07:21,510 --> 00:07:22,500 getting myself fired up. 140 00:07:22,530 --> 00:07:24,930 Adam Curry: Yeah. You're lit. 141 00:07:25,860 --> 00:07:28,140 Dave Jones: Lit and lit. is lit as I can 142 00:07:28,140 --> 00:07:31,440 Adam Curry: get this show is lit, which is the formula for 143 00:07:31,500 --> 00:07:35,160 for success. As far as I'm concerned. This is a live item 144 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:39,090 tag where if you use the appropriate podcast app, you'll 145 00:07:39,090 --> 00:07:42,300 actually get an alert for this pod verse seems to be the one 146 00:07:42,300 --> 00:07:45,480 that's doing it the best I think podcast addict has it and don't 147 00:07:45,660 --> 00:07:49,770 is that out of beta yet. The podcast addict alert system. 148 00:07:50,100 --> 00:07:54,870 Okay. And of course, Europe curio caster. I was looking at 149 00:07:54,870 --> 00:08:00,240 the charts yesterday. With me spinning our tunes for two and a 150 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:05,760 half hours, something really magically happened. And to me, 151 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:09,630 it was yeah, it happens during a regular show, too. But there's 152 00:08:09,630 --> 00:08:14,010 something about the audience participation that just went 153 00:08:14,010 --> 00:08:17,910 with the flow. And, you know, because of course we have the 154 00:08:17,910 --> 00:08:20,880 chat room when you when you use pod verse, the chat room opens 155 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:24,240 up, you get the live signal. You go into the live the live item 156 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:27,090 right there and your list. You can chat along and you can boost 157 00:08:27,090 --> 00:08:30,660 in real time. And I think was Todd Cochran. Mr. Blueberry, he 158 00:08:30,660 --> 00:08:35,250 started off. He's like 25,000 SATs and he wanted a song. And 159 00:08:35,250 --> 00:08:39,210 he said right there, the next request has to be five more. And 160 00:08:39,210 --> 00:08:42,690 it was like, Okay, the next one was 30,000. And then I think, 161 00:08:43,500 --> 00:08:48,750 was Carolyn Blaney. She sent 20,000 requested something, but 162 00:08:48,750 --> 00:08:52,710 blueberry came in and said, I'm gonna add 15,000 to make up so 163 00:08:52,710 --> 00:08:55,740 it's 35 for her request. And people just do things up and up 164 00:08:55,740 --> 00:09:00,720 and up, like 5060 70,000 SATs and requests and I'm like, stop. 165 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:06,210 First of all, I was embarrassed. Yeah. But also, I discovered 166 00:09:06,210 --> 00:09:11,520 something else. When you open up the stream to requests, you get 167 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:14,970 a lot of shit. It's not really necessarily in the groove of the 168 00:09:14,970 --> 00:09:19,260 dance party. Metallica Okay, right? Yeah, I like Metallica 169 00:09:19,260 --> 00:09:22,380 too. It's just, you know, and then followed by polka music 170 00:09:22,380 --> 00:09:25,770 from Weird Al Yankovic it was it was a little a little hectic, it 171 00:09:25,770 --> 00:09:29,430 was all over the spectrum. But we had a good very reminiscent 172 00:09:29,430 --> 00:09:32,400 Dave Jones: of FUBAR Fridays with the Dropbox. 173 00:09:33,900 --> 00:09:35,640 Adam Curry: Daily source code. Exactly. 174 00:09:35,790 --> 00:09:38,190 Dave Jones: Yeah, that was all over the map to like some of the 175 00:09:38,190 --> 00:09:40,200 some of those was like, okay, yeah, 176 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:43,410 Adam Curry: yeah, yeah. But it was it was really fun. And it 177 00:09:43,410 --> 00:09:48,090 was just nice to see everyone kind of go with the flow. And 178 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:52,830 that's something that we're bringing something really 179 00:09:52,830 --> 00:09:56,070 beautiful back that existed many, many many years ago. I 180 00:09:56,070 --> 00:10:01,080 mean, these days you even have Okay, I should probably play 181 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:07,740 this chat GPT is now doing radio GPT they're literally pitching 182 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:15,960 AI voices to run your radio station. And I got to play this 183 00:10:15,990 --> 00:10:20,280 this little demo they have. So as I've done a lot of top 40 184 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:25,440 radio work certainly in the in the 90s, late 80s, early 90s it 185 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:27,990 already was very formulaic. Now you had a lot of leeway 186 00:10:27,990 --> 00:10:30,900 depending on who you were what time slot you have, you know 187 00:10:30,900 --> 00:10:36,150 what station, but in general, Steve Kingston legendary program 188 00:10:36,150 --> 00:10:39,360 director who was at GE 100 When I was there, he would say, Hey, 189 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:43,890 man, and a monkey could do this. Just read the liner cards and 190 00:10:43,890 --> 00:10:48,690 hit the button. And literally, that's it always ended with z 191 00:10:48,690 --> 00:10:49,320 100. 192 00:10:51,390 --> 00:10:52,620 Dave Jones: That's in New York, right? Z. When 193 00:10:52,620 --> 00:10:55,710 Adam Curry: do you want 100? Toby? Yeah, I was brought in by 194 00:10:55,710 --> 00:10:58,680 Scott Shannon, who's the legend who I've you know, had probably 195 00:10:58,710 --> 00:11:01,650 any of my radio career to thank because I emulated him so much. 196 00:11:02,010 --> 00:11:06,840 So the I all the elements that you know, just for the regular 197 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:09,750 jocks I will say for you know, except for drive time in the 198 00:11:09,750 --> 00:11:13,770 morning, and drive time in the afternoon. everyone kind of has 199 00:11:13,770 --> 00:11:16,920 to follow these rules overnight. You could break some some, some 200 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:21,330 rules and stuff, but now they still the most expensive part of 201 00:11:21,330 --> 00:11:24,840 any organization is going to be people so screw the DJs get rid 202 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:27,570 of the button pushers. We don't even need monkeys anymore. 203 00:11:27,780 --> 00:11:32,850 Listen to this promo from radio GPT. And by the way, everything 204 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:36,270 that they're talking about is something that you are told and 205 00:11:36,300 --> 00:11:39,660 trained to do as a disc jockey. These days eatery 206 00:11:39,690 --> 00:11:42,450 Unknown: is revolutionizing the audio industry with the launch 207 00:11:42,450 --> 00:11:46,560 of radio GPT, the world's first AI driven localized radio 208 00:11:46,560 --> 00:11:52,710 content solution. Ready radio GPT combines the power of GPT 209 00:11:52,710 --> 00:11:56,280 three technology with future ease AI driven story discovery 210 00:11:56,280 --> 00:12:00,690 and social content system Rubik posts, as well as AI voice tech 211 00:12:00,690 --> 00:12:03,780 to provide an unmatched localized radio experience for 212 00:12:03,780 --> 00:12:09,810 any market any format or grid using q3. Link. Topical system, 213 00:12:09,930 --> 00:12:14,400 along with AI voice technology, radio GPT brings a radio station 214 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:14,910 to life. 215 00:12:15,570 --> 00:12:17,250 Adam Curry: It brings the radio station to life. 216 00:12:18,090 --> 00:12:19,740 Dave Jones: It actually kills. 217 00:12:20,130 --> 00:12:22,590 Unknown: I can see what's in your music log and talk about 218 00:12:22,590 --> 00:12:25,890 the songs or artists on your station. Oh, wow, 219 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:26,670 Dave Jones: you're dead. 220 00:12:27,450 --> 00:12:29,550 Unknown: I can see what's happening in your local market 221 00:12:29,550 --> 00:12:32,430 right now and talk about it in real time. Right? It looks like 222 00:12:32,430 --> 00:12:35,730 the Dairy Queen is flooded. I can post on your Facebook, 223 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:39,240 Instagram, Twitter and tick tock during my show. Hey, I'm 224 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:40,260 Adam Curry: doing a show. Listen 225 00:12:40,260 --> 00:12:41,700 Unknown: to me talk about what's coming up. 226 00:12:41,910 --> 00:12:42,780 Adam Curry: I'm going to record. 227 00:12:43,740 --> 00:12:46,710 Unknown: I am great at teasing and pre promoting content going 228 00:12:46,710 --> 00:12:47,460 into breaks. 229 00:12:47,490 --> 00:12:51,060 Adam Curry: Oh, you're teasing. Oh, yeah. Coming up next on 100. 230 00:12:51,090 --> 00:12:54,780 Unknown: I can talk about the weather or traffic is nice. I 231 00:12:54,780 --> 00:12:57,150 can see how many people are listening right now through 232 00:12:57,150 --> 00:13:00,180 future streaming and say hello to certain locations. 233 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:02,640 Dave Jones: Oh, Cleveland. 234 00:13:03,479 --> 00:13:06,119 Unknown: I can take open mic audio from listeners using 235 00:13:06,119 --> 00:13:08,819 future immobile and incorporate their thoughts. Oh, yeah, the 236 00:13:08,819 --> 00:13:09,179 Rockies 237 00:13:09,180 --> 00:13:09,810 Dave Jones: go Oh, yeah, 238 00:13:09,810 --> 00:13:13,260 Adam Curry: that'll that'll end well. I think gone are the days 239 00:13:13,260 --> 00:13:15,900 of Shindig, what was your favorite radio station? 240 00:13:16,950 --> 00:13:20,970 Unknown: questions and feedback into my show. I can share news 241 00:13:20,970 --> 00:13:23,790 updates and current events relevant to your audience's 242 00:13:23,790 --> 00:13:25,230 interests and demographics. 243 00:13:25,259 --> 00:13:29,969 Adam Curry: Okay, she knows my interest in demographics. But 244 00:13:29,969 --> 00:13:31,289 Donna had a buddy and plans. 245 00:13:32,250 --> 00:13:34,980 Unknown: I have experienced conducting engaging interviews 246 00:13:35,010 --> 00:13:36,990 with notable guests and experts now. 247 00:13:38,550 --> 00:13:41,250 Adam Curry: This is the one this is the one that I'm like you're 248 00:13:41,250 --> 00:13:44,010 gonna do an interview with notable guests okay? 249 00:13:44,580 --> 00:13:47,460 Unknown: You can give away prizes, tickets, and exclusive 250 00:13:47,460 --> 00:13:51,090 experiences to listeners through on air contests using future 251 00:13:51,090 --> 00:13:52,470 mobile splash contesting 252 00:13:52,500 --> 00:13:54,720 Adam Curry: flash contesting it should be Whoa, would you be 253 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:55,950 contrasting but okay, 254 00:13:56,490 --> 00:13:59,010 Unknown: I am skilled at creating unique and entertaining 255 00:13:59,010 --> 00:14:02,010 breaks that keep your audience engaged and coming back for 256 00:14:02,010 --> 00:14:02,370 more. 257 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:05,940 Adam Curry: So this this drivel and by the way, they have a 258 00:14:05,940 --> 00:14:10,800 video of this of this AI bot she doesn't blink and trust me to be 259 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:13,710 a good podcast or like me you got to blink have to read all 260 00:14:13,710 --> 00:14:16,830 kinds of ticks otherwise you just no good you got to have 261 00:14:16,830 --> 00:14:17,070 that 262 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:19,260 Dave Jones: most that's the bottom bar 263 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:25,260 Adam Curry: is not blinking. So this of course is atrocious. But 264 00:14:25,290 --> 00:14:29,580 this will this will get get radio airtime people will do 265 00:14:29,580 --> 00:14:33,810 this. And compared to what we had going on yesterday. It's 266 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:38,430 there's just no comparison that the thing lived it live. And 267 00:14:38,430 --> 00:14:42,060 people were feeding back in real time. The whole thing was just a 268 00:14:42,060 --> 00:14:46,080 beautiful experience. It was so special about it 269 00:14:46,350 --> 00:14:51,480 Dave Jones: as a DJ Yeah. I mean, so this is this was great. 270 00:14:51,930 --> 00:14:58,770 So I'm listening to the bootleg. And, and, and it's it reminded 271 00:14:58,770 --> 00:15:01,920 me so you weren't expecting thing. You weren't expecting for 272 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:04,890 things to go in that direction? No, I was not like better No, 273 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:07,680 yeah, back in the day when you would do a daily source code and 274 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:10,920 things would you came in knowing what you were getting your your 275 00:15:11,070 --> 00:15:11,940 bad rest on, 276 00:15:12,150 --> 00:15:13,890 Adam Curry: that allows stuff. Yeah, good to go. Yeah. 277 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:18,090 Dave Jones: And so this, this, this evolved at the first, maybe 278 00:15:18,090 --> 00:15:23,040 the first 15 minutes or so 20 minutes, you're kind of like 279 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:27,090 understanding where this thing was headed. About 30 minutes 280 00:15:27,090 --> 00:15:29,490 into it, you're hitting the groove, I'm gonna like it was. 281 00:15:29,790 --> 00:15:33,030 And then and then an hour in, you were just, I mean, it was 282 00:15:33,030 --> 00:15:36,690 full, it was like it was 2004 all over again. I mean, these 283 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:40,410 are 2007. I mean, he's been, you're killing it. 284 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:42,870 Adam Curry: The thing that was that was weird is I, you know, 285 00:15:42,870 --> 00:15:47,400 Spotify, the he used to have. Spotify would allow third party 286 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:50,730 apps. And you could have two songs or more even. But you 287 00:15:50,730 --> 00:15:54,150 could have two tracks, one playing and one queued up. So 288 00:15:54,150 --> 00:15:56,880 while one is playing, you can then go listen to another one. 289 00:15:57,060 --> 00:16:00,150 But if you only have one, Spotify app, you can't queue 290 00:16:00,150 --> 00:16:03,870 anything up. So I was literally like stopping it clicking on 291 00:16:03,870 --> 00:16:06,390 something while I'm talking clicking on the next one. And 292 00:16:06,390 --> 00:16:08,340 then because it had to load for a second, you know, the 293 00:16:08,340 --> 00:16:11,310 bandwidth was kind of shitty as well. So I was really just, you 294 00:16:11,310 --> 00:16:16,950 know, it was very, very low bar low tech, to do it this way. And 295 00:16:16,950 --> 00:16:20,010 luckily, I had a couple of tracks myself. So, you know, if 296 00:16:20,010 --> 00:16:22,680 I was trying to queue something up, I could, you know, do 297 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:25,920 something else on a different a pre fader Listen, but it was 298 00:16:25,950 --> 00:16:30,330 definitely not ideal from a, from a music library standpoint, 299 00:16:30,330 --> 00:16:32,610 it's too bad that Spotify doesn't allow you to do that 300 00:16:32,610 --> 00:16:33,120 anymore. 301 00:16:34,620 --> 00:16:37,080 Dave Jones: I've never done obviously never done any of that 302 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:40,410 kind of thing. So I'm imagining that the way it goes is your the 303 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:46,710 the track this live is playing and then you and then off sort 304 00:16:46,710 --> 00:16:51,120 of offline or off air pre prefix you okay, you're listening to 305 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:53,430 the next tried to get up to figure out what's what is going 306 00:16:53,430 --> 00:16:56,400 to be Yeah, and then you cute. You're okay. That's how it goes. 307 00:16:56,520 --> 00:16:59,370 Yeah. The fact that you couldn't do that, and it was still as 308 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:02,010 smooth as it was. I mean, your brother? 309 00:17:02,460 --> 00:17:05,070 Adam Curry: Totally. Hey, I'm also available for bar mitzvahs 310 00:17:05,070 --> 00:17:13,020 and weddings. boosters, boosters, boosters live. We've 311 00:17:13,020 --> 00:17:17,490 saved yet another life. I'm very happy to. Very happy. Yeah, 312 00:17:17,490 --> 00:17:22,440 well. I think this person wanted to stay anonymous. Okay, thanks 313 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:26,940 for opening my eyes to the pod fasting side effects, which I 314 00:17:26,940 --> 00:17:31,500 think is called pod speeding. Because sound pod pod fasting 315 00:17:31,500 --> 00:17:34,020 Dave Jones: sounds like you're not lucky like you're listening. 316 00:17:34,020 --> 00:17:34,800 Yes, yes. 317 00:17:34,890 --> 00:17:38,310 Adam Curry: So my use case was this. I tried to listen to the 318 00:17:38,310 --> 00:17:43,260 show live on pod verse. But my wife is in Germany, but my wife 319 00:17:43,260 --> 00:17:45,480 wouldn't let me listen to the whole show. So the next morning, 320 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:49,410 I would one point 25 bit to re listen to the bits I heard, live 321 00:17:49,410 --> 00:17:52,680 and catch up on the missed out sections. Of course, this meant 322 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:55,860 that I'd be fidgety the day after now I know why. And I 323 00:17:55,860 --> 00:17:57,060 won't do it again. 324 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:00,570 Dave Jones: Thank you very much about that. There's a delay. 325 00:18:00,570 --> 00:18:03,840 There's your it takes you a day to come down. 326 00:18:03,870 --> 00:18:07,350 Adam Curry: Yes. Okay, well, how about this? So RTP Richard 327 00:18:07,350 --> 00:18:11,820 Peterson, key cop something when you and I were discussing this, 328 00:18:12,030 --> 00:18:16,320 and it really blew my mind I have to set it up. So when we 329 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:19,980 were talking about you know that this stuff can hijack your 330 00:18:19,980 --> 00:18:23,550 nervous system and makes you impatient with the people you 331 00:18:23,580 --> 00:18:28,260 around you who you love or nip the office or your kids. It 332 00:18:28,260 --> 00:18:32,190 conditions you to accept fake people like that radio GPT lady, 333 00:18:32,610 --> 00:18:35,820 you know, there's a whole bunch of downsides to it. And you said 334 00:18:35,820 --> 00:18:38,040 that, you know, you had heard me bitching about this several 335 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:42,570 years ago. And and you stopped doing it and you notice that 336 00:18:42,930 --> 00:18:45,390 immediately you or not like a day or two later you had more 337 00:18:45,390 --> 00:18:47,940 patience, right? Am I my recounting that correctly? 338 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:50,430 Dave Jones: Yeah, it took a couple of days it took two three 339 00:18:50,430 --> 00:18:54,480 days and then I realized that everything felt more right and 340 00:18:54,510 --> 00:18:58,140 like everything just felt normal. And like like as far as 341 00:18:58,140 --> 00:19:01,230 listening to the speak because I was so used to I've been 342 00:19:01,230 --> 00:19:07,020 listening to you guys for years on fast speed and it took it 343 00:19:07,020 --> 00:19:12,840 took two or three days for me to get used to not hearing you like 344 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:16,860 that. But then it's like is as soon as my mind adjusted to it, 345 00:19:17,100 --> 00:19:20,580 everything else fell into place to own on like in the world. 346 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:24,960 Adam Curry: So one of the things you would use is the silence 347 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:31,860 chopper. From Yes, so now listen to that podcast. So this is last 348 00:19:31,860 --> 00:19:38,310 week's board meeting the minute you start talking about the sped 349 00:19:38,310 --> 00:19:44,370 up chopped silences you actually start talking fast. Listen to it 350 00:19:44,490 --> 00:19:46,410 as a as a reformed 351 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:51,270 Dave Jones: podcast, multi multi multi XOR I don't know what you 352 00:19:51,270 --> 00:19:55,170 call that multispeed person sick. Yeah. Yeah, as a 353 00:19:56,910 --> 00:19:58,320 Unknown: form, sicko. Yeah, 354 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:01,920 Dave Jones: I used I used to listen to All my podcasts in one 355 00:20:02,220 --> 00:20:07,680 at one point I speed up speed up with the with the whatever 356 00:20:07,710 --> 00:20:10,380 whatever that thing is where chops out the silences between 357 00:20:10,410 --> 00:20:11,190 them and all that kind of stuff. 358 00:20:11,220 --> 00:20:12,990 Adam Curry: Yeah, the silence chopper. Did you hear what you 359 00:20:12,990 --> 00:20:15,330 just did there? Yeah, I started 360 00:20:15,330 --> 00:20:17,730 Dave Jones: as I just went, boom 361 00:20:17,730 --> 00:20:19,380 Adam Curry: a little bit. Yeah. And then and then right after 362 00:20:19,380 --> 00:20:21,480 that you slow down again listen, listen, 363 00:20:21,659 --> 00:20:23,849 Dave Jones: whatever, whatever that thing is where chops out 364 00:20:23,849 --> 00:20:25,829 the silences between them and all that kind of stuff. Yeah, 365 00:20:25,829 --> 00:20:29,669 the silence chopper. Silence Joe Yeah. And then. 366 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:32,820 Adam Curry: And then you go back to normal speed. I think that 367 00:20:33,510 --> 00:20:36,420 it's still in you. The programming is still there. You 368 00:20:36,420 --> 00:20:39,120 need you need an exorcism, I believe I believe 369 00:20:39,540 --> 00:20:40,410 Dave Jones: it's a virus 370 00:20:46,950 --> 00:20:52,200 Adam Curry: you're cured, you're healed. Thank you for that. 371 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:56,220 Fantastic observation. 372 00:20:56,610 --> 00:20:58,350 Dave Jones: This is a good observation because I'm 373 00:20:58,830 --> 00:21:03,330 naturally sort of a stammer because I try to get my brain 374 00:21:03,330 --> 00:21:09,300 goes faster than my mouth. So I have to get them in sync. And if 375 00:21:09,300 --> 00:21:14,130 I I do this, the way I talk on the show is exactly the way I 376 00:21:14,130 --> 00:21:18,330 talk to people in all around me all the time. And I realize that 377 00:21:18,330 --> 00:21:21,960 it frustrates them. And so I tried to talk slower, but then 378 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:25,440 if it could, because when I talk fast, my stammering gets way 379 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:28,770 worse. It's not stuttering. It's not like that Nina is not like 380 00:21:28,770 --> 00:21:33,480 that, is because I start a sentence. Realize it realize 381 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:37,050 that that's not the right way to start it and then go back and 382 00:21:37,050 --> 00:21:40,770 sometimes I'll start a sentence three times in a row. And it 383 00:21:40,770 --> 00:21:44,850 drives Melissa crazy. So like, the faster I get it becomes just 384 00:21:44,910 --> 00:21:47,160 like it turns into mush. 385 00:21:47,190 --> 00:21:50,550 Adam Curry: Oh, that's interesting. Well, actually, I 386 00:21:50,550 --> 00:21:55,590 find the way you talk very engaging I in fact, I enjoy it. 387 00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:58,860 Believe me if I didn't like it, I would be fuck this thing. I'm 388 00:21:58,860 --> 00:22:04,260 not gonna this board meeting for two hours. But I enjoy 389 00:22:04,530 --> 00:22:09,750 personally. I like flaws. I like it when people except the 390 00:22:09,750 --> 00:22:12,270 president, the president, he has no brains left. I mean, that's 391 00:22:12,270 --> 00:22:16,530 different. What he's what he's got going on there. But I like 392 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:21,540 Cridland has also has a stammer. And it's quite endearing. He is 393 00:22:22,470 --> 00:22:27,810 M's and ELLs. And I like it. I like that kind of stuff. 394 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:30,990 Dave Jones: I like the humanity of it in Yeah. Oh, yeah. It 395 00:22:30,990 --> 00:22:31,230 makes 396 00:22:31,230 --> 00:22:34,650 Adam Curry: you human. It's the exact opposite of the robo jock. 397 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:37,560 Dave Jones: That's yeah, that shakes said nothing wrong. 398 00:22:37,710 --> 00:22:41,550 Adam Curry: Right. There's nothing wrong, nothing unique. 399 00:22:41,550 --> 00:22:45,780 Nothing interesting. Nothing that makes you and certainly the 400 00:22:45,780 --> 00:22:49,200 writing was inhumane. I mean, you know, it's like, this stuff, 401 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:54,240 in my opinion, all that those little nuances will never work. 402 00:22:54,330 --> 00:22:58,350 Unless, you know, people start tricking themselves by listening 403 00:22:58,350 --> 00:23:03,360 to roboticized speech to begin with, which is what pod speeding 404 00:23:03,360 --> 00:23:05,100 is. Your 405 00:23:05,130 --> 00:23:08,550 Dave Jones: I immediately I immediately heard the problem 406 00:23:08,550 --> 00:23:13,800 with that. You know, AI bots? Yeah, the DJ no fake DJ vanilla. 407 00:23:14,430 --> 00:23:23,910 Yeah, it's funny how it like, have you seen the AR RT stuff? 408 00:23:23,910 --> 00:23:28,740 And it always messes up the hands? Yes. Like the floors look 409 00:23:28,740 --> 00:23:32,820 like they're look like a bunch of chopsticks by the way yeah, 410 00:23:32,820 --> 00:23:35,100 that's there's something about you sound like 411 00:23:35,130 --> 00:23:37,200 Adam Curry: she sounded like that. But like chopstick 412 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:45,600 fingers, yeah, sounds like, this is the value for value podcast. 413 00:23:45,750 --> 00:23:48,900 For those who need an explanation. We have a whole 414 00:23:48,900 --> 00:23:52,890 website for IT value number four value dot info. But the whole 415 00:23:52,890 --> 00:23:56,820 concept is, we give you value, which is free for anyone to 416 00:23:56,820 --> 00:24:00,600 receive. Because of course, we can charge what we want and make 417 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:04,920 it set up behind a paywall or make it to premium content only. 418 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:08,040 But only you can determine what something's worth to you. And 419 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:11,970 maybe a lot of money is 50 cents or $5 a month or a week or 420 00:24:11,970 --> 00:24:15,540 whatever. And maybe $500 is what it's worth to you because of 421 00:24:15,540 --> 00:24:18,900 some incredible tip that we gave you or we made you feel good or 422 00:24:18,900 --> 00:24:22,380 made you laugh or made you feel human, you get to determine that 423 00:24:22,380 --> 00:24:25,500 and send it back to us. And we prefer if you do it in a modern 424 00:24:25,500 --> 00:24:29,250 podcast app, podcast apps.com is where you can find a whole bunch 425 00:24:29,250 --> 00:24:32,550 of someone who had an since we have so many apps and services 426 00:24:32,550 --> 00:24:38,730 now using the podcast index, and the API associated with it that 427 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:42,720 we should probably put the edge that actually forward you to 428 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:46,710 podcast index.org/apps We should probably only put apps there now 429 00:24:46,740 --> 00:24:51,330 and then and make a new section for all the different hosting 430 00:24:51,330 --> 00:24:54,390 companies and services. Which probably Yeah, I agree with 431 00:24:55,350 --> 00:24:57,330 Dave Jones: that because you just like you go to podcast 432 00:24:57,330 --> 00:24:59,370 apps.com And you see Buzzsprout 433 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:03,660 Adam Curry: Yeah, Is that someone something anyone can do 434 00:25:03,660 --> 00:25:06,630 with? With a, with a pull request? That'd be great. That'd 435 00:25:06,630 --> 00:25:09,690 be great. If we can get those TPS reports done by tomorrow, 436 00:25:09,690 --> 00:25:14,790 that'd be great. Just ask me, that's real value there. We 437 00:25:14,790 --> 00:25:17,610 would appreciate if someone did that as value for value that is 438 00:25:17,610 --> 00:25:20,130 valid. valid value. 439 00:25:20,550 --> 00:25:23,970 Dave Jones: The comments, the cross out comments work on the 440 00:25:23,970 --> 00:25:32,730 website continues. Yeah. And gourmet. Nathan, John, they're 441 00:25:32,730 --> 00:25:34,890 continuing, you know, they're just chipping away at this 442 00:25:34,890 --> 00:25:39,000 thing. And I was was going to get the latest pull request out 443 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:41,700 today into production, but I didn't get a chance to but there 444 00:25:41,700 --> 00:25:44,550 I mean, that they're continuing to do I think they may have 445 00:25:44,550 --> 00:25:49,950 their eyes set on posting, like feedback like replies. 446 00:25:50,490 --> 00:25:54,510 Adam Curry: Oh, okay. Oh, right. From the right from the website. 447 00:25:54,929 --> 00:25:58,019 Dave Jones: Yeah, yeah. And so the changelog podcast guys got 448 00:25:58,019 --> 00:26:02,939 in there. And we're pitching in to on Oh, cool, awesome stuff. 449 00:26:02,939 --> 00:26:05,759 So yeah, I mean, it's, it's going somewhere. There's this a 450 00:26:05,759 --> 00:26:09,539 team effort, the website being open source is fantastic. Number 451 00:26:09,539 --> 00:26:11,699 one, because you don't have the amount of 452 00:26:12,180 --> 00:26:13,950 Adam Curry: time to time. 453 00:26:14,730 --> 00:26:18,240 Dave Jones: Yeah, you know, it's funny, it's funny, not being a 454 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:21,630 JavaScript guy. I learned all the horrible things about 455 00:26:21,630 --> 00:26:24,540 JavaScript after the fact. So these are all new to me. Yeah. 456 00:26:24,570 --> 00:26:29,370 And and I say, Oh, my God date is zero indexed on the month and 457 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:33,330 everyone's like, Oh, yeah, you can tell the funding this years 458 00:26:33,330 --> 00:26:34,020 to life, 459 00:26:34,140 --> 00:26:37,590 Adam Curry: as well. So since you mentioned that, I have, I 460 00:26:37,590 --> 00:26:42,720 have a comment about the integration of get Alby and 461 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:48,900 websites. So the experience is as follows. And I noticed this, 462 00:26:49,110 --> 00:26:53,790 it really hit me when I used pod verse on the web, the web 463 00:26:53,790 --> 00:27:00,360 version. Here's the experience. So you have your your wallet 464 00:27:00,360 --> 00:27:04,800 connected, or you're using the lb extension. So let's take 465 00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:09,300 podcast index.org as an example. And there's a beautiful box and 466 00:27:09,300 --> 00:27:12,840 you type it all in and you hit go with the number. And then 467 00:27:12,930 --> 00:27:15,540 I'll be if you're not already authorized, I'll be able to go 468 00:27:15,540 --> 00:27:19,500 through that process. And then it pops up and it says, pay this 469 00:27:19,500 --> 00:27:24,450 amount to this person, sit, create a budget. You know, 470 00:27:24,450 --> 00:27:29,250 always remember, this was all these options, because it has to 471 00:27:29,250 --> 00:27:32,790 go through the splits, it does each one independently. And if 472 00:27:32,790 --> 00:27:35,310 you don't know what you're doing, if you don't say you do 473 00:27:35,310 --> 00:27:39,660 this, then it spits back every single time. It's like people 474 00:27:39,660 --> 00:27:42,540 you don't know it's very confusing. And the whole budget 475 00:27:42,540 --> 00:27:46,800 thing it's like, what we need is an explanation. And the same 476 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:49,950 goes for when you do it with POD verse on the web. So get Albie, 477 00:27:50,190 --> 00:27:53,370 because I got a very nice boost today. But it didn't go through 478 00:27:53,370 --> 00:27:57,240 the splits. And I know why. Because it was just a user I'd 479 00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:01,170 get Alby and they're using the extension popped it up curry in 480 00:28:01,170 --> 00:28:04,020 the keeper, boom, and then whatever else happened that just 481 00:28:04,020 --> 00:28:09,690 dumped out. So we've that has to be and I understand why from the 482 00:28:09,690 --> 00:28:12,810 get Alby side, I understand, but that has to be looked at so 483 00:28:12,810 --> 00:28:16,470 maybe Bumi. And the guys can can take a look at just making it a 484 00:28:16,470 --> 00:28:18,840 little more clear. You know, what is a budget? Why do I need 485 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,600 a budget? Do I want a budget? Why do I have to remember this 486 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:25,260 for the rest? You know, just it needs? We need some explanation 487 00:28:25,260 --> 00:28:28,440 there. Just some words that explain to people what's 488 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:29,100 happening. 489 00:28:30,030 --> 00:28:31,980 Dave Jones: Yeah, I've noticed that too. And I've kind of 490 00:28:31,980 --> 00:28:33,480 forgotten about it. Yeah. 491 00:28:35,490 --> 00:28:36,360 Adam Curry: I have Trillium. 492 00:28:37,980 --> 00:28:39,300 Dave Jones: Oh, yeah, that thing you're you're 493 00:28:39,660 --> 00:28:43,080 Adam Curry: organizing. Yes. My second brain. Exactly. Yeah, 494 00:28:43,110 --> 00:28:46,050 Dave Jones: admit, to bring that up a few times. Because it runs 495 00:28:46,050 --> 00:28:48,810 you through. It's like, okay, sand, sand, sand. Sand is it 496 00:28:48,810 --> 00:28:50,160 runs through every one of those. Yeah, 497 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:53,910 Adam Curry: and we know what's happening. But mere mortals and 498 00:28:53,910 --> 00:28:57,210 then we're not talking the podcast, mere mortals will have 499 00:28:57,210 --> 00:29:01,680 an issue. So that will be something that that we could 500 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:02,160 work on. 501 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:06,660 Dave Jones: Let me throw let me throw this at you. Maybe at a 502 00:29:06,660 --> 00:29:09,240 left field here or it may not be I don't know where your where 503 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:12,150 your minds at but what do you think about the Spreaker thing 504 00:29:12,150 --> 00:29:14,730 going free? Did you see that? Yeah. 505 00:29:15,450 --> 00:29:19,380 Adam Curry: I think it's a bit of a red herring. Because it's 506 00:29:19,380 --> 00:29:23,340 not entirely free. Yes, storage may be free. But there are still 507 00:29:23,340 --> 00:29:26,760 different tiers. It's kind of a thing. It's a little bit of a 508 00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:27,660 bait and switch. 509 00:29:28,169 --> 00:29:30,539 Dave Jones: Okay, you may you sound like you know more about 510 00:29:30,539 --> 00:29:33,329 this than me because I tried to figure out what they meant and I 511 00:29:33,329 --> 00:29:36,719 couldn't make their press release make sense. I went 512 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,420 Adam Curry: to the source I went to the guru Todd Cochran. 513 00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:43,860 Cochran told me now this is bait and switch, they've got they've 514 00:29:43,860 --> 00:29:47,280 got they still have different levels and you don't get 515 00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:52,050 everything. It is definitely a nice offering. To me. It's a 516 00:29:52,050 --> 00:29:56,460 Hail Mary. It's like what are we going to do now? This is I heart 517 00:29:56,460 --> 00:29:58,620 I believe, right? Do they own Spreaker? 518 00:29:59,130 --> 00:30:01,920 Dave Jones: Yes, and I've got So, I would like to dig in on 519 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,530 that, after you say this, because I've got some, I've got 520 00:30:04,530 --> 00:30:05,490 some art stuff. 521 00:30:05,730 --> 00:30:12,150 Adam Curry: Oh, good. It seems like some Todd didn't seem 522 00:30:12,180 --> 00:30:16,620 overly concerned about it. I'm very concerned in general, 523 00:30:16,620 --> 00:30:21,750 because I just don't believe in free. Because there is no such 524 00:30:21,750 --> 00:30:25,140 thing as free. And you're gonna get screwed somewhere down the 525 00:30:25,140 --> 00:30:29,970 line. If anything by by getting the rug pulled from under you, I 526 00:30:29,970 --> 00:30:35,460 don't like it because I know how much goes into running a good 527 00:30:35,460 --> 00:30:39,570 host and the I don't know much about Spreaker I believe back in 528 00:30:39,570 --> 00:30:44,580 the early days, Spreaker was caching the content early, early 529 00:30:44,580 --> 00:30:47,580 days long time, I may be wrong, but that was Stitcher. I'm 530 00:30:47,580 --> 00:30:53,190 sorry, write your stitches, a scrap that I know what goes into 531 00:30:53,190 --> 00:30:56,460 making a hosting company work, especially with customer 532 00:30:56,460 --> 00:31:02,190 service. And I want all of our, all of the hosting companies to 533 00:31:02,190 --> 00:31:06,180 prosper, and I want them to be able to, to, you know, to 534 00:31:06,180 --> 00:31:08,910 provide good customer service and good service in general at a 535 00:31:08,910 --> 00:31:14,040 fair price. And something like this comes along. And you know, 536 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:17,640 it's kind of like anchor so it may also pollute, you know, just 537 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,190 get a lot of pollution out there, I think is probably to 538 00:31:20,190 --> 00:31:25,050 jack up their numbers. Look how many podcasts we've got. So I 539 00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:30,360 did I just don't hold them in high regard for doing this. And 540 00:31:30,660 --> 00:31:35,190 it just doesn't seem like I mean, I feel and then I'd love 541 00:31:35,190 --> 00:31:38,850 to hear what about the I heart stuff, I feel personally that 542 00:31:38,850 --> 00:31:45,390 there should be a way for podcast host to bring people on 543 00:31:45,450 --> 00:31:49,710 at a quid pro quo of value for value. It's like, we're gonna 544 00:31:49,710 --> 00:31:54,330 take 20% Split until a certain amount, or whatever, if you want 545 00:31:54,330 --> 00:31:57,690 to pay, you know, you can pay instead of doing that it's all 546 00:31:57,690 --> 00:32:00,600 enabled right out of the gate. Something like that, I think 547 00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,570 would be a great offering. And I think that people would pick up 548 00:32:03,570 --> 00:32:06,300 on it. And I think that you'd probably make more than 20 bucks 549 00:32:06,300 --> 00:32:09,210 a month that you that you do normally from these podcasts. So 550 00:32:09,330 --> 00:32:11,100 it would be a net win in my mind. 551 00:32:11,699 --> 00:32:14,249 Dave Jones: Well, that's the only way I can make this make 552 00:32:14,249 --> 00:32:19,679 sense. And this is before I've fully understood that it wasn't 553 00:32:19,679 --> 00:32:21,779 free across the board. Because I was thinking at first I was 554 00:32:21,779 --> 00:32:24,269 thinking, Oh, this is a Charles Schwab type deal. You know what 555 00:32:24,269 --> 00:32:29,339 I mean? Where they? Schwab was about three years ago, dropped 556 00:32:29,339 --> 00:32:31,259 their commission fees on trades. Oh, yeah. 557 00:32:31,260 --> 00:32:33,750 Adam Curry: And everyone dropped? Yeah, everybody had to 558 00:32:33,750 --> 00:32:34,500 drop it. Yeah. 559 00:32:34,980 --> 00:32:37,080 Dave Jones: And so I thought it was free across the board. But 560 00:32:37,230 --> 00:32:40,320 this is a little it changes a little bit. But I still I still 561 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:46,050 think some of this may apply. Maybe they are looking out and 562 00:32:46,050 --> 00:32:50,130 they know something ever, I think, at least on our show me 563 00:32:50,130 --> 00:32:54,270 and you both believe that anchor isn't going to last forever. 564 00:32:54,270 --> 00:32:57,360 It's going to fold at some point. It's too much of an 565 00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:01,470 albatross around around Spotify neck. And that's completely 566 00:33:01,470 --> 00:33:07,890 free. Maybe the the ease of use of the of the anchor app and all 567 00:33:07,890 --> 00:33:10,470 that stuff was you know, the thing that made it a train 568 00:33:10,470 --> 00:33:14,490 wreck. I mean, maybe they just think that their ad dai ad 569 00:33:14,490 --> 00:33:17,910 offering is enough to make up the difference of all this. You 570 00:33:17,910 --> 00:33:18,180 know, 571 00:33:18,780 --> 00:33:23,010 Adam Curry: what, how about that maybe? Good point. Maybe they're 572 00:33:23,010 --> 00:33:26,460 thinking, Hey, as long as we get enough people, jump folks with 573 00:33:26,460 --> 00:33:29,580 with a with a podcast feed will actually be able to fulfill the 574 00:33:29,580 --> 00:33:30,300 inventory. 575 00:33:30,959 --> 00:33:32,429 Dave Jones: Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. Yeah, 576 00:33:32,460 --> 00:33:33,960 Adam Curry: that makes sense. That makes sense. 577 00:33:34,199 --> 00:33:35,789 Dave Jones: Okay, well, that leads me into this. I brought 578 00:33:35,789 --> 00:33:43,529 some clips. Do you have my clips? I do. The lets you know, 579 00:33:43,529 --> 00:33:49,709 there was some talk about Marcos discussion on I guess it was 580 00:33:49,709 --> 00:33:53,489 MacBreak. Weekly, which I did not watch. Yeah, I didn't watch 581 00:33:53,489 --> 00:33:57,239 it initially. And then I and then I did and it, you know, 582 00:33:57,239 --> 00:33:59,759 it's fine. I had, I really didn't have much of a problem 583 00:33:59,759 --> 00:34:02,189 with I think there was some misunderstanding with chapters. 584 00:34:02,189 --> 00:34:05,219 But other than that, I mean, basically, Marco at least he 585 00:34:05,219 --> 00:34:07,439 basically just said, I don't want people telling me what to 586 00:34:07,439 --> 00:34:07,799 do. 587 00:34:08,820 --> 00:34:11,010 Adam Curry: And you know, I hear you. I don't want people telling 588 00:34:11,010 --> 00:34:11,880 me what to do either. 589 00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:15,720 Dave Jones: I don't either. And so I'm like, Okay, I mean, I 590 00:34:15,720 --> 00:34:20,490 really wasn't bothered by anything that he said. But the 591 00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:23,040 more interesting part of their conversation that was about 592 00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:30,270 advertising, and the display, Lea one ad market is life 593 00:34:30,270 --> 00:34:30,750 threatening. 594 00:34:30,959 --> 00:34:32,759 Unknown: We're going through I don't know about you, Marco and 595 00:34:32,759 --> 00:34:35,489 I don't know, we've heard from other podcasters. We're going 596 00:34:35,489 --> 00:34:40,139 through an advertising downturn that is existential, it's life 597 00:34:40,139 --> 00:34:40,469 threatening. 598 00:34:40,499 --> 00:34:45,239 Oh, yeah. It's not that bad for our show. But it's, it's this is 599 00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:47,939 the worst ad market we've seen in probably a few years. Yeah. 600 00:34:48,510 --> 00:34:53,730 Adam Curry: Yeah. Well, that is only accentuated by NPR, who say 601 00:34:53,730 --> 00:34:57,480 they have a $30 million deficit and it's pretty much from the 602 00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:58,770 podcasting department. 603 00:34:59,490 --> 00:35:03,750 Dave Jones: Yeah, not So I think there's a clearly there's shows 604 00:35:03,750 --> 00:35:06,630 out there that are doing they're doing just fine. And as the 605 00:35:06,630 --> 00:35:12,150 Independence shows they have kept their in markets that 606 00:35:12,150 --> 00:35:14,430 they're doing. They're doing okay. That mean they're not 607 00:35:14,430 --> 00:35:15,570 doing great but they're doing if I 608 00:35:15,570 --> 00:35:18,870 Adam Curry: may, and I don't know much about it but but what 609 00:35:18,870 --> 00:35:22,680 I know from the past with AD markets, if you have a brides 610 00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:27,390 magazine, you're always going to get DJs venues dressmakers, and 611 00:35:27,420 --> 00:35:30,480 and you know this this was the PC Magazine, you know, back in 612 00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:33,510 the day, you know, you're gonna get Dell and HP and everyone's 613 00:35:33,510 --> 00:35:35,370 gonna advertise because it's just kind of built into their 614 00:35:35,370 --> 00:35:40,500 budget. If you're a general program, a general podcast, and 615 00:35:40,500 --> 00:35:47,910 you're looking for BMW and and and T Mobile, etc. Get that's 616 00:35:47,910 --> 00:35:53,040 where you're gonna get cut. So a specialist tech podcast or we 617 00:35:53,070 --> 00:35:56,970 like a Bitcoin podcast, I'm sure there may be some some pullback 618 00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:59,700 on the on the overall numbers. But that's pretty much what 619 00:35:59,700 --> 00:36:01,890 you're, you're still going to get that it may even involve 620 00:36:01,890 --> 00:36:05,190 more host reads I don't think that the dynamic inserted ad 621 00:36:05,190 --> 00:36:08,130 market is probably the is really being affected. But apparently, 622 00:36:08,910 --> 00:36:15,030 even in Leo's network, he says existential. I think that's 623 00:36:15,030 --> 00:36:17,700 because he just has too many people too many shows. And as we 624 00:36:17,700 --> 00:36:20,760 all know, you can't you can't monetize the network. If it's 625 00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:23,250 just twit itself. I'm sure that's doing fine. I'm sure 626 00:36:23,250 --> 00:36:26,730 security now is doing okay. But everything else yeah, it may 627 00:36:26,730 --> 00:36:28,890 just be a pullback, because just too much 628 00:36:29,940 --> 00:36:33,450 Unknown: play Lea to it. This is normal. This is normal behavior. 629 00:36:33,450 --> 00:36:36,900 And when you're at the bottom of the down, it might feel like the 630 00:36:36,900 --> 00:36:39,660 world's never going to come back. But it will eventually. 631 00:36:40,260 --> 00:36:43,620 Good tell that to my AD team. Okay. Actually, we have a we 632 00:36:43,620 --> 00:36:47,100 have an unusual problem, because foolishly we built something 633 00:36:47,100 --> 00:36:50,760 that has high overhead. Yeah. And I mean, we have a two and a 634 00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:56,040 half million dollar a year. Not. So we don't have the luxury of 635 00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:58,800 saying, well, if advertising, Stan will just weather it and go 636 00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,410 through it. Thank goodness that we did do that. And I think 637 00:37:01,410 --> 00:37:05,190 everybody who's in podcasting, for real understands that the 638 00:37:05,190 --> 00:37:08,130 only thing that keeps podcasting and live as the community, the 639 00:37:08,130 --> 00:37:11,190 listeners, the people who you have a relationship, direct 640 00:37:11,190 --> 00:37:14,490 relationship with, and clubs, Patreon, that kind of thing 641 00:37:14,490 --> 00:37:18,330 really give not only give you that little extra income, but 642 00:37:18,330 --> 00:37:21,300 they make a big difference in bonding the audience to you. So 643 00:37:21,300 --> 00:37:24,360 we two years ago, we created club twit, and that was that was 644 00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:29,490 a huge part of it. But it's still I mean, it's still 1/10 of 645 00:37:29,490 --> 00:37:33,000 1% or something, maybe it's I would love if I get 5% of the 646 00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,880 audience to subscribe, we wouldn't need advertisers. But 647 00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,550 right now it's not even 1% Most people will getting something 648 00:37:38,550 --> 00:37:40,470 for free aren't gonna start suddenly paying for it, I'm 649 00:37:40,470 --> 00:37:40,830 afraid. 650 00:37:44,099 --> 00:37:46,109 Adam Curry: I'm afraid you're wrong. I'm afraid you're wrong. 651 00:37:46,349 --> 00:37:49,649 Dave Jones: You know, clearly he's wrong. But that that is 652 00:37:50,189 --> 00:37:53,519 that speaks to what you're saying these in specific shows 653 00:37:53,549 --> 00:37:56,249 are going to do okay, can't monetize the network. But they 654 00:37:56,249 --> 00:38:01,409 these middle sort of middle weight columns like a I don't 655 00:38:01,409 --> 00:38:04,589 know the term middle weight where this kind of like a fat 656 00:38:05,429 --> 00:38:09,479 over hedge, you know, network or show with those dread ads? Yes, 657 00:38:09,479 --> 00:38:10,589 you're in trouble. Yeah. 658 00:38:10,860 --> 00:38:15,720 Adam Curry: It's also I'm sorry, podcasting. The only reason it 659 00:38:15,720 --> 00:38:19,740 works. I have one example. Well, actually, this podcast was a 660 00:38:19,740 --> 00:38:22,590 great example. But it's slightly different because we have a 661 00:38:22,590 --> 00:38:26,760 project attached to it. So we do have a specific ask for specific 662 00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:31,950 thing. But without the podcast, believe me, we wouldn't be 663 00:38:31,950 --> 00:38:36,690 getting anywhere near what we're what we're getting now. But no 664 00:38:36,690 --> 00:38:41,250 agenda is the example. And you'd have to keep asking, we ask 665 00:38:41,250 --> 00:38:44,010 everybody we had a newsletter before the night before the 666 00:38:44,010 --> 00:38:48,420 show. We had the newsletter has content in it, but we it's 667 00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:56,490 definitely a an ask. The overhead is incredibly low. And 668 00:38:56,490 --> 00:39:00,720 that is partially because of the we've we've followed the whole 669 00:39:00,720 --> 00:39:06,660 model all the way through time, talent, treasure. So voyage zero 670 00:39:06,660 --> 00:39:10,260 mark up in the northern part of the Netherlands for almost 13 671 00:39:10,260 --> 00:39:13,020 years, maybe longer. He's been running our infrastructure, 672 00:39:13,020 --> 00:39:16,260 keeping that overhead incredibly low. Considering the amount of 673 00:39:16,260 --> 00:39:20,490 bandwidth we push. Every website was built by someone else who 674 00:39:20,550 --> 00:39:24,420 just jumped in to help. And we acknowledge them and give them 675 00:39:24,420 --> 00:39:28,080 credit for it. And they give him props. And by the way, they they 676 00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:31,380 sometimes put a little donate thing on their own work for 677 00:39:31,380 --> 00:39:35,490 that, which we're fine with. So keeping that this that show was 678 00:39:35,490 --> 00:39:39,210 run out of the vortex top drawer, basically, you know, I 679 00:39:39,210 --> 00:39:41,970 do all the production stuff. He handles all the money stuff. 680 00:39:41,970 --> 00:39:45,150 Now, we we of course we have an accountant and you know, we do 681 00:39:45,150 --> 00:39:48,690 have to pay a little extra and they're, you know, someone puts 682 00:39:48,690 --> 00:39:50,910 together the spreadsheet. It's from his family, so we're 683 00:39:50,910 --> 00:39:53,700 getting pretty cheap labor there. But that's only because 684 00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:57,330 it really grew out of just too much for us to handle In 685 00:39:57,330 --> 00:40:00,240 addition, but we've kept the overhead just it's us It's 686 00:40:00,240 --> 00:40:05,130 actually and, again, time talent, treasure. I have three 687 00:40:05,130 --> 00:40:09,600 four people who reliably, reliably send me clips that are 688 00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:13,200 perfectly produced and we credit them for it. In fact, the clip 689 00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:17,070 custodian is in the value for value split gets a split. He 690 00:40:17,070 --> 00:40:22,140 does, yes. Jeff Smith, who has created all of our sound imaging 691 00:40:22,140 --> 00:40:25,140 and whenever we say she, we need jingle for that just miss shows 692 00:40:25,140 --> 00:40:29,370 up. You're not gonna send us a bill, the art. Now not all of 693 00:40:29,370 --> 00:40:31,680 the audit, we changed the art for every single show. Not all 694 00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:35,550 the artists have a wallet. I've encouraged them to get one. The 695 00:40:35,550 --> 00:40:39,510 winning artists whose art is huge in the show gets a split. I 696 00:40:39,510 --> 00:40:39,690 wish 697 00:40:39,690 --> 00:40:41,460 Dave Jones: people would send art for our show. Just say. 698 00:40:43,349 --> 00:40:46,769 Adam Curry: Yeah, we'll be fine. The overhead low is incredibly 699 00:40:46,769 --> 00:40:49,049 important. And this is what Spotify screwed up. 700 00:40:49,590 --> 00:40:51,690 Dave Jones: Well, this is affecting I want to I want to 701 00:40:51,690 --> 00:40:54,060 throw a curveball at you in a second. But I gotta set it up. 702 00:40:54,420 --> 00:40:56,340 Okay, I gotta set it up. And then I'm gonna I'm gonna 703 00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:59,340 curveball the spit ball at you. It's gonna be a breaker. 704 00:41:00,900 --> 00:41:04,110 Adam Curry: All right. My bad is quarks. I'm ready. 705 00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:09,420 Dave Jones: Okay, the. So I think this is also affecting, 706 00:41:09,750 --> 00:41:14,070 it's affecting the big guys too. But they've been able to do 707 00:41:14,070 --> 00:41:16,800 something that the middleweight mass, say the big guys, I mean, 708 00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:20,910 like our heart and the big the big players, the big ones. So 709 00:41:20,940 --> 00:41:25,770 they have tactics that the small guys don't have, or the smaller 710 00:41:25,770 --> 00:41:31,440 guys don't have. So this is a interview on decoder with Conal 711 00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:35,190 Byrne, the CEO of ahart, digital. And so I heard is split 712 00:41:35,190 --> 00:41:38,850 into sort of two components. They're split into their digital 713 00:41:38,850 --> 00:41:41,520 audio group and the multi platform group. The digital 714 00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:44,520 audio group has podcasts, the multi platform group has 715 00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:50,640 broadcast radio, and in turn, sort of traditional broadcast. 716 00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:55,350 So play 101, how you hide the numbers, 717 00:41:55,620 --> 00:41:59,550 Unknown: we felt at I heart that a lot of the value that we had 718 00:41:59,550 --> 00:42:05,130 as a company, we wanted to unlock and make more transparent 719 00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:10,530 to the investor community, to audiences, to researchers to 720 00:42:10,530 --> 00:42:14,880 analysts. One way to do that is to create different operating 721 00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:18,270 segments in your company so that you can talk more about how well 722 00:42:18,270 --> 00:42:21,300 you're doing inside certain divisions and businesses, as 723 00:42:21,300 --> 00:42:25,590 opposed to it all getting lumped together into one big overall 724 00:42:25,590 --> 00:42:26,550 set of numbers. 725 00:42:28,409 --> 00:42:31,229 Adam Curry: Right, which Spotify doesn't do very well actually 726 00:42:31,349 --> 00:42:31,619 read. 727 00:42:31,620 --> 00:42:34,050 Dave Jones: They're not very good. So when I say hide the 728 00:42:34,050 --> 00:42:35,850 numbers, I don't mean that like they're doing anything 729 00:42:35,850 --> 00:42:38,550 nefarious, because all companies do this. It's just normal. No, 730 00:42:38,550 --> 00:42:38,670 they're 731 00:42:38,670 --> 00:42:41,400 Adam Curry: just trying to trying to show the Wall Street. 732 00:42:41,910 --> 00:42:44,640 Dave Jones: Yeah, yeah, this is this. This is just normal. But 733 00:42:44,670 --> 00:42:49,200 but the smaller, the smaller groups that can't do this sort 734 00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:55,080 of financial trickery. But the so if you look at there's a 735 00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:59,190 document in there with the I heart financials that you may 736 00:42:59,190 --> 00:43:02,640 want to look at, yeah, I got it. I mean, look at this. I'm 737 00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:05,490 looking at I'm looking at accountant here. You're like 738 00:43:05,490 --> 00:43:09,270 Adam Curry: a stock guru. This is like DHL plugged all of a 739 00:43:09,270 --> 00:43:13,980 sudden, okay. I'm looking at a revenue stream in a table. My 740 00:43:13,980 --> 00:43:14,940 eyes are swimming. 741 00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:20,820 Dave Jones: All right. Yeah. So the I'm thinking that the 742 00:43:20,820 --> 00:43:25,770 middleweights? Well, let's just look at our heart thing. So they 743 00:43:25,770 --> 00:43:33,900 said they say on here that they grew in their, in their podcast 744 00:43:33,900 --> 00:43:38,700 group, they, it says that they grew 44.3% for the three months 745 00:43:38,730 --> 00:43:45,660 ended December 22. December 2022. Year, in your footnote, 746 00:43:45,660 --> 00:43:55,200 though, correct. In says, it says this, absent excluding 747 00:43:55,200 --> 00:44:00,240 political revenue, ah, it was only six and a half percent, 748 00:44:00,270 --> 00:44:03,570 right. It was an election year. It was an election year and 22. 749 00:44:03,780 --> 00:44:06,570 Adam Curry: Yeah. Which is billions of dollars billions of 750 00:44:06,570 --> 00:44:07,200 dollars. 751 00:44:07,590 --> 00:44:10,230 Dave Jones: The same thing with broadcast broadcast that it grew 752 00:44:10,230 --> 00:44:13,710 point 9% in the third quarter and the fourth quarter, it 753 00:44:13,710 --> 00:44:16,890 actually seemed to exclude political ad revenue. It was a 754 00:44:16,890 --> 00:44:21,090 loss of 2.8% Yeah, you go in it's the same thing for the hope 755 00:44:21,090 --> 00:44:25,080 for the full year. The full year goes from a 22% growth and 756 00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:27,300 podcast revenue to only a 5%. The 757 00:44:27,300 --> 00:44:30,330 Adam Curry: beauty of political ads is they don't give a crap 758 00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:33,480 they don't care what you're on the more crazy you are the 759 00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:33,960 better 760 00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:38,100 Dave Jones: and they blast it across everything. They let do 761 00:44:38,100 --> 00:44:43,200 like the most broad spectrum by good catch. So this to me what 762 00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:49,710 what was what was bothering me or a little weird was why 2022 763 00:44:49,710 --> 00:44:52,740 was a very hard financial economic year. But the 764 00:44:52,740 --> 00:44:55,620 advertising wasn't as down as much as you thought it was. A 765 00:44:55,620 --> 00:44:58,530 bit of money came in for the cause of the political 766 00:44:58,530 --> 00:45:01,680 advertising but then at 23 Now you're starting to see the pain. 767 00:45:01,710 --> 00:45:05,280 Yeah, like the first quarter of 23 has been brutal. And that 768 00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:11,820 that's where I think that this may, this may explain Springer's 769 00:45:11,820 --> 00:45:15,630 move here. Because being being part of I Heart, they may be 770 00:45:15,630 --> 00:45:19,320 feeling feeling the hit. And they may this may be a push 771 00:45:19,350 --> 00:45:23,910 across the entire company eventually to go full in dai 772 00:45:24,570 --> 00:45:29,700 dynamic ad insertion. And if that happens, those done, the 773 00:45:29,700 --> 00:45:34,200 more inventory space you push onto the market, it's going to 774 00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:37,830 push those CPM rates way down. Oh, yeah, you're just gonna have 775 00:45:37,830 --> 00:45:41,400 too much, you're gonna have too much ad space to be filled. And 776 00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:43,860 that's going to affect that's going to drive everything down 777 00:45:43,860 --> 00:45:48,360 for everybody across the board. I think this the Latin the fact 778 00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:52,350 that the last year was a political year and going into 779 00:45:52,350 --> 00:45:55,710 2023. This could be bad, though. It's 780 00:45:56,639 --> 00:45:58,109 Adam Curry: bad. It's guaranteed to be bad 781 00:45:58,289 --> 00:46:01,409 Dave Jones: on because everybody thinks da everybody thinks oh, 782 00:46:01,919 --> 00:46:05,399 listening to leet Leo, everybody's like, Oh, well 783 00:46:06,089 --> 00:46:10,289 spoke, you know, the baked in ads, the host reads, those are 784 00:46:10,469 --> 00:46:14,759 struggling right now. But Dai is where that's okay. But I'm 785 00:46:14,759 --> 00:46:18,389 thinking the AI is about to take a hit to 786 00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:22,259 Adam Curry: I think it was about $13 billion spent political 787 00:46:22,259 --> 00:46:26,129 advertising and all medium. That's a lot of money. It's a 788 00:46:26,129 --> 00:46:31,559 crapload of money. It Yeah. And but yeah, that's why you know, 789 00:46:31,559 --> 00:46:35,429 all the numbers, you know, they're down. You know, like, 790 00:46:35,579 --> 00:46:38,969 revenue numbers. What I hear is like, 23% growth in the first 791 00:46:38,969 --> 00:46:41,369 quarter, and then you know, six. 792 00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:47,730 Dave Jones: Yeah, I think so this, the Spreaker thing feels 793 00:46:47,730 --> 00:46:52,440 like if they if they actually have enough people take them up 794 00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:57,150 on up on this offer. And it's all based on Dai. This could end 795 00:46:57,150 --> 00:47:00,600 up being a pretty bad thing across the across the industry. 796 00:47:00,630 --> 00:47:03,120 Oh, it's gonna suck. This is what everybody doesn't 797 00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:07,590 understand that dai the more the more people you have the sign up 798 00:47:07,590 --> 00:47:12,150 for Dai, the lower the CPMs. Get for everybody. 799 00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:15,840 Adam Curry: Also. Yeah. And I think the CPMs of the inserted 800 00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:21,180 ads are quite low. Actually. They're probably in the 8% 10%. 801 00:47:21,210 --> 00:47:25,470 I'm just spouting because I don't really know. I did enjoy 802 00:47:25,500 --> 00:47:31,020 something Cridland posted on the podcast index dot social. It was 803 00:47:31,020 --> 00:47:35,730 a screenshot of some, I guess tweet and it was a tweet or 804 00:47:36,300 --> 00:47:40,140 remastered on doesn't matter. Podcasts are the new am talk 805 00:47:40,140 --> 00:47:43,140 radio. Have you heard the ads on am talk radio, which like 806 00:47:43,140 --> 00:47:47,670 reading your junk folder. And, and that's true. And you know, 807 00:47:47,700 --> 00:47:51,150 it's ad load really is just, you know, putting as much in as 808 00:47:51,150 --> 00:47:53,250 possible so they can actually pay the bills. 809 00:47:54,510 --> 00:47:57,360 Dave Jones: This this Conal Byrne guy. Yeah, he actually had 810 00:47:57,630 --> 00:48:00,690 this play a heart too, because he adds something that I think 811 00:48:00,690 --> 00:48:01,650 is relevant to this, 812 00:48:01,740 --> 00:48:03,750 Unknown: there was a moment on YouTube, where we all sort of 813 00:48:03,750 --> 00:48:06,720 realized the same thing around like, 2010 or so there's like, 814 00:48:06,720 --> 00:48:09,390 no, the optimal video is this length, and you have to open 815 00:48:09,390 --> 00:48:12,390 with this kind of thing, and then close it with that. And to 816 00:48:12,390 --> 00:48:15,960 some extent, you kill creativity and true innovation when you 817 00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:18,360 start to reverse engineer what an asset should be for the 818 00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:21,600 content platform that it's going to be distributed on. In fact, 819 00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:25,410 you almost certainly kill, I think, true creativity when you 820 00:48:25,410 --> 00:48:29,280 hit that moment. Podcasting, just as a side questions, not 821 00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:32,100 your question, but as a side answer to it real quick. 822 00:48:32,310 --> 00:48:37,350 Podcasting has bucked that a lot. To date. It has resisted 823 00:48:37,350 --> 00:48:42,270 this notion of a podcast episode is supposed to be 28 minutes 824 00:48:42,270 --> 00:48:45,810 long and have to add brakes. It's actually a lot of different 825 00:48:45,810 --> 00:48:50,220 kinds of things. It can be a true crime limited series of 826 00:48:50,220 --> 00:48:53,220 eight to 10 episodes that are 30 minutes long. It can also be 827 00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:56,730 Stuff to Blow Your Mind episode that sometimes three hours long 828 00:48:56,730 --> 00:48:59,760 of just two guys talking about stuff. And both are completely 829 00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:04,170 okay, and really perform well, actually. So it hasn't yet hit 830 00:49:04,170 --> 00:49:06,570 this moment of reverse engineering from the platforms 831 00:49:06,570 --> 00:49:07,410 that it's on. 832 00:49:08,670 --> 00:49:12,090 Adam Curry: Now, where was this? It was just part of that 833 00:49:12,210 --> 00:49:14,100 hodgepodge thing. Yeah, it 834 00:49:14,100 --> 00:49:15,750 Dave Jones: was Yeah. Because it was 835 00:49:15,749 --> 00:49:17,729 Adam Curry: really interesting. I read a what I thought was a 836 00:49:17,729 --> 00:49:25,049 very honest rundown from the Hollywood Reporter. And it 837 00:49:25,049 --> 00:49:31,469 really explained, you know, this hot pod Summit. I'll read just a 838 00:49:31,469 --> 00:49:35,129 couple pieces here from this article, which to me was like, 839 00:49:35,159 --> 00:49:36,839 you know, the Hollywood Reporter is going to give you the 840 00:49:36,839 --> 00:49:39,239 Hollywood angle, which means it's all about the money. That's 841 00:49:39,269 --> 00:49:42,839 it's always all about the money in various conversation with 842 00:49:42,839 --> 00:49:45,539 studio executives and creators a common refrain with the 843 00:49:45,539 --> 00:49:49,019 difficulties of turning a profit on podcasting alone, even 844 00:49:49,019 --> 00:49:52,019 Spotify, which recently revisited its podcast leadership 845 00:49:52,049 --> 00:49:55,379 again, and had layoffs and show cancellations in his podcast 846 00:49:55,379 --> 00:49:58,649 division is reevaluating its spending after pouring more than 847 00:49:58,649 --> 00:50:01,469 $1 billion into licensing deals with acquisitions in the past 848 00:50:01,469 --> 00:50:06,719 few years. As such, repackaging audio content and seeking out 849 00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:11,339 derivatives like film and TV adaptations could be the key to 850 00:50:11,339 --> 00:50:15,119 actually making good money in podcasting, especially now that 851 00:50:15,119 --> 00:50:18,809 the mega deals of recent years are getting rare. And podcasters 852 00:50:18,959 --> 00:50:21,899 are feeling the pressure to seek out more ad dollars from bigger 853 00:50:21,899 --> 00:50:25,769 buyers to keep the lights on long term. And all of this isn't 854 00:50:25,769 --> 00:50:28,709 even to acknowledge the creative ambitions around podcasting, 855 00:50:28,709 --> 00:50:32,219 where creators want to produce expensive, Buzzy narrative 856 00:50:32,219 --> 00:50:35,579 projects that can have a tangible impact on policy or 857 00:50:35,579 --> 00:50:38,609 public conversation, but may have a harder time receiving 858 00:50:38,609 --> 00:50:41,939 funding and support compared to the more assured success of 859 00:50:41,939 --> 00:50:47,189 cheaper always on chat shows. And this is where a lot of stuff 860 00:50:47,189 --> 00:50:52,499 has gone wrong. You know, the, in fact, I think the short form 861 00:50:53,189 --> 00:50:58,319 or you know, the limited Ron eight episode, true crime, 862 00:50:58,499 --> 00:51:02,249 fabulous format, but you just got to have a couple of really 863 00:51:02,459 --> 00:51:06,059 good people who get together and do this as almost as a theater 864 00:51:06,059 --> 00:51:08,819 troupe. You know, someone's got to be able to do the editing, 865 00:51:08,819 --> 00:51:11,819 you've all got to be in it for, you know, for the love of what 866 00:51:11,819 --> 00:51:14,789 you're doing. Because there's just not enough money to go 867 00:51:14,789 --> 00:51:17,669 around to be funding these projects, which from what the 868 00:51:17,669 --> 00:51:21,419 Hollywood Reporter is saying are basically pilots is basically a 869 00:51:21,419 --> 00:51:27,119 pile. And I know that Dana Brunetti, who was a you know, 870 00:51:27,119 --> 00:51:30,869 big no agenda guy. And he also got he got very interested in 871 00:51:30,869 --> 00:51:33,239 podcasting 2.0 with the transcripts and chapter 872 00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:38,309 features. He did 50 Shades of Grey, and was the producer on 873 00:51:39,419 --> 00:51:44,729 House of Cards, top notch guy, top notch guy. And he he's, I 874 00:51:44,729 --> 00:51:47,789 want to do a podcast network. I said, No, you don't. But okay, 875 00:51:47,999 --> 00:51:50,969 so I want to do a podcast network. Basically, it's all 876 00:51:50,969 --> 00:51:55,949 scripts, it's all pilots, it's all pitches. And of course, it 877 00:51:55,949 --> 00:51:58,379 became a very expensive proposition because people are 878 00:51:58,379 --> 00:52:01,559 now trying to make audio dramas out of them. And there's really 879 00:52:01,559 --> 00:52:06,179 only room for a few and a few that will be will be big hits, 880 00:52:06,179 --> 00:52:13,619 and it just is limited and who can do that stuff. And all the 881 00:52:13,619 --> 00:52:16,259 other podcasts, it's just like blogging. When that started, I'm 882 00:52:16,259 --> 00:52:19,169 gonna be a millionaire. I'm gonna be the next Joe Rogan. 883 00:52:19,169 --> 00:52:21,239 It's just it's not that simple. 884 00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:24,180 Dave Jones: I'm glad you brought that up, because this this is 885 00:52:24,240 --> 00:52:34,140 the perfect time for me to say dai you suck. I mean, like it is 886 00:52:34,230 --> 00:52:37,560 Dai is, and this is the part of 887 00:52:37,589 --> 00:52:41,639 Adam Curry: dynamic add insert insertions. Yet 888 00:52:42,749 --> 00:52:48,359 Dave Jones: this, it needs. This feels like shouting in the wind. 889 00:52:48,599 --> 00:52:51,779 But it needs to stop stop sucking before it ruins 890 00:52:51,779 --> 00:52:56,879 everything. The part of what Marco was saying on there was 891 00:52:56,909 --> 00:53:01,739 about chapters was that the dynamic ad insertion messes up 892 00:53:01,739 --> 00:53:07,259 the timing on chapters. Right and the so if you look at the 893 00:53:07,259 --> 00:53:09,809 tray, if you look at the namespace, you've got 894 00:53:10,199 --> 00:53:15,299 transcripts, chapters and soundbites, the out of let's see 895 00:53:16,019 --> 00:53:23,579 20 to 20 out of 20 tags in the namespace. Three of them can be 896 00:53:23,579 --> 00:53:29,699 affected by dynamic by lousy dynamic ad insertion. So if, if 897 00:53:29,699 --> 00:53:33,629 we think about dynamic ad insertion for what it it will, 898 00:53:33,659 --> 00:53:37,589 first of all chapters can be done and transcripts and sound 899 00:53:37,589 --> 00:53:42,239 bites, all three can be done and take dynamic ad insertion into 900 00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:45,749 account. Perfectly fine. Buzzsprout does it right now. 901 00:53:47,399 --> 00:53:51,839 All of their time spent stamps are modified when the ads go in. 902 00:53:51,839 --> 00:53:51,929 Yeah, 903 00:53:51,929 --> 00:53:53,849 Adam Curry: bus bras, the only one I think that really pays 904 00:53:53,849 --> 00:53:54,689 attention to that. 905 00:53:55,650 --> 00:54:00,360 Dave Jones: That is it can be done if you if you care about 906 00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:06,150 it. End to End soup to nuts to make this thing to make it stay 907 00:54:06,150 --> 00:54:15,090 consistent. Dynamic ad insertion into your audio that results in 908 00:54:15,090 --> 00:54:22,950 screwing up the timing of your other metadata points is like 909 00:54:23,340 --> 00:54:28,200 inserting dynamic banner ads into your website which randomly 910 00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:31,140 screw up your CSS and change the way your website layout 911 00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:32,370 Adam Curry: tortured, hallelujah. 912 00:54:33,630 --> 00:54:36,810 Dave Jones: This is what we're going to run into. We would not 913 00:54:36,810 --> 00:54:41,250 tolerate that on the web. We would not tolerate an ad coming 914 00:54:41,250 --> 00:54:45,750 in dynamically and changing the entire look and feel of the 915 00:54:45,750 --> 00:54:49,890 website or the or all the sudden making the web making the font 916 00:54:49,890 --> 00:54:50,370 bigger. 917 00:54:50,460 --> 00:54:53,430 Adam Curry: We tolerate so much. I mean, just the other day I was 918 00:54:53,430 --> 00:54:59,700 listening to pod news weekly review and it just cuts in the 919 00:54:59,700 --> 00:55:04,200 comments. Session, let's take a break tu tu tu tu tu. And then 920 00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:08,280 it comes back in and I forgot what they were talking about. It 921 00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:08,850 was brutal, 922 00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:14,220 Dave Jones: brutal. If you let a dynamic ad insertion, blow up 923 00:55:14,220 --> 00:55:18,930 your website layout, you've chosen easy money over and over 924 00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:24,750 content quality. In that, that is the the problem here. The 925 00:55:24,750 --> 00:55:31,170 point of podcasting is audio. If you let a dynamic ad provider, 926 00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:35,670 just blow up your audio and and your feed and make your fan 927 00:55:35,670 --> 00:55:40,680 screw that it is a poor experience all the way around. I 928 00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:42,600 mean, I, in some ways, I don't 929 00:55:43,079 --> 00:55:44,879 Adam Curry: say we should not allow. 930 00:55:46,980 --> 00:55:50,700 Dave Jones: I agree Satan, I think you're exactly right. We 931 00:55:50,700 --> 00:55:55,020 should not allow this is that wasn't appropriate voice for 932 00:55:55,020 --> 00:55:56,010 what Dai is 933 00:55:56,250 --> 00:56:00,990 Adam Curry: the evil. Evil is a tool of Satan show title. 934 00:56:01,530 --> 00:56:06,120 Dave Jones: It is a tool of Beelzebub. And that should be 935 00:56:06,540 --> 00:56:10,320 it's a darkness a dark tool. Yeah, and here's what's gonna 936 00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:16,740 happen. Everybody's everybody's dar implementations that went in 937 00:56:16,740 --> 00:56:23,520 with no care about any of the supporting structure, like the 938 00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:27,990 trap chapters, transcripts, all this because it is going to end 939 00:56:28,020 --> 00:56:33,630 result in things being screwed up from here on out. And then 940 00:56:33,660 --> 00:56:38,160 the DA market is going to tank when everybody floods in to try 941 00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:41,370 and do dir because host raids aren't making any money. The 942 00:56:41,370 --> 00:56:44,250 CPMs are going to go down and we're going to end up with punch 943 00:56:44,250 --> 00:56:47,550 the monkey banner ads. In audio, 944 00:56:48,900 --> 00:56:51,750 Adam Curry: I forgot all about punch the monkey. That's what's 945 00:56:51,750 --> 00:56:54,360 gonna happen once the monkey and whack a mole. Remember that rock 946 00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:54,630 and roll? 947 00:56:55,860 --> 00:56:57,570 Dave Jones: You're gonna have the equivalent that is what 948 00:56:57,570 --> 00:57:00,390 we're going to be left with this disgusting audio as 949 00:57:00,570 --> 00:57:02,550 Adam Curry: well. Honestly, when it comes to the ad market, we're 950 00:57:02,550 --> 00:57:06,240 still basically counting hips. I mean, yeah, it's all bullshit. 951 00:57:07,260 --> 00:57:11,280 It's not without any it's not real IAB is is bullshit, 952 00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:15,150 bullshit numbers. I mean, I love that's why I love op three, op 953 00:57:15,150 --> 00:57:17,370 three, at least it's open, everyone can see what it is. You 954 00:57:17,370 --> 00:57:20,730 can agree you can disagree. But it's all the same for everybody. 955 00:57:21,750 --> 00:57:25,230 Now, but when you get all these different ways of counting and 956 00:57:25,350 --> 00:57:29,430 not counting and who cares? A download or listen, time spent 957 00:57:29,430 --> 00:57:32,790 list? I got all those steps. I got all the time spent 958 00:57:33,180 --> 00:57:37,020 completion rate. Yeah, my completion rate here at home was 959 00:57:37,020 --> 00:57:38,790 100%. Let me know. I mean, I'm just telling you. 960 00:57:40,020 --> 00:57:43,410 Dave Jones: I think you mean it's a whole five 961 00:57:43,409 --> 00:57:44,159 Adam Curry: by five. 962 00:57:45,300 --> 00:57:46,080 Dave Jones: Oh, no cat 963 00:57:46,079 --> 00:57:51,329 Adam Curry: and all counts, baby. Exactly. Yeah, I feel bad 964 00:57:51,329 --> 00:57:55,529 about it. But I understand because there was such a hype. 965 00:57:55,949 --> 00:58:00,059 Certainly in the last couple of years, so much free money. So 966 00:58:00,059 --> 00:58:05,609 much. D E is going into podcasting. Cuz that's what the 967 00:58:05,609 --> 00:58:09,029 you know, all that money's dried up. Now. Notice there's no more 968 00:58:09,029 --> 00:58:13,319 Africa podcast day and, and bipoc podcast day, that's all 969 00:58:13,319 --> 00:58:16,049 starting to fade away because the money is kind of drying up. 970 00:58:17,159 --> 00:58:17,579 Now. 971 00:58:19,050 --> 00:58:19,950 Dave Jones: Right? 972 00:58:20,039 --> 00:58:25,829 Adam Curry: mean, it just seems to me that, you know, money in 973 00:58:25,829 --> 00:58:30,299 money out I mean, it, there's just less of it. And it was a 974 00:58:30,299 --> 00:58:32,519 lot of people were riding high on the hog. The podcast 975 00:58:32,519 --> 00:58:35,519 Industrial Complex was there. And now you know, you get 976 00:58:35,519 --> 00:58:38,459 YouTube saying they'll do something or soft toss or toss 977 00:58:38,459 --> 00:58:40,079 away stuff. They don't really care. 978 00:58:40,589 --> 00:58:42,659 Dave Jones: They really don't do things like inclusion 979 00:58:42,659 --> 00:58:45,269 initiatives when you have lots of money. Yeah, but then, you 980 00:58:45,269 --> 00:58:48,779 know, but then when you have, when you're cutting, even the 981 00:58:48,779 --> 00:58:51,599 people you have, that you see how important those things 982 00:58:51,599 --> 00:58:54,599 actually are to people. Because they, you know, they're like, 983 00:58:54,629 --> 00:58:58,169 Oh, well, you know, we got to let you know, we don't care that 984 00:58:58,169 --> 00:59:01,199 much. We get this money thing, you know? 985 00:59:01,380 --> 00:59:03,660 Adam Curry: Yeah, it's like, they're not even they don't even 986 00:59:03,660 --> 00:59:06,960 talk to Cridland. I mean, we want to do anything in podcast 987 00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:08,520 and you gotta at least talk to Cridland, 988 00:59:09,030 --> 00:59:11,850 Dave Jones: we care enough and we care a whole bunch until it 989 00:59:11,850 --> 00:59:13,590 affects the stock price. And then we don't care about 990 00:59:14,730 --> 00:59:17,130 Adam Curry: the exact the people that care for the podcasters is 991 00:59:17,130 --> 00:59:20,640 right here in this group. People who care the ones that podcast 992 00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:25,650 index dot social, they actually care. Now, I still truly believe 993 00:59:25,650 --> 00:59:28,950 the reason why this project is working is because everybody has 994 00:59:28,950 --> 00:59:33,270 a shot at at a cut of the money flow. Everybody's got a chance 995 00:59:33,270 --> 00:59:36,690 at and everybody can include themselves. I really believe 996 00:59:36,690 --> 00:59:40,530 that that's a big part of the of the of the of the I mean that 997 00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:44,040 it's exciting to me every day. I wake up 998 00:59:44,999 --> 00:59:47,879 Dave Jones: go ahead with value for value. All that matters is 999 00:59:47,879 --> 00:59:51,299 the is the quality of the content. Yeah, yeah. If you make 1000 00:59:51,299 --> 00:59:56,819 a good product, you get value. That's there's no other. There's 1001 00:59:56,819 --> 00:59:58,739 no other secret sauce. You don't you 1002 00:59:58,740 --> 01:00:01,620 Adam Curry: don't have to buy adds in games that you know that 1003 01:00:01,620 --> 01:00:05,100 start auto downloading or convince people to click on 1004 01:00:05,100 --> 01:00:07,890 stuff now you're absolutely right. And I get great 1005 01:00:07,890 --> 01:00:10,110 statistics. Speaking of which, by the way, 1006 01:00:11,159 --> 01:00:12,929 Dave Jones: you have statistics. Yeah, I 1007 01:00:12,930 --> 01:00:18,360 Adam Curry: got lots of stats, contracts, contracts CLN, sh a x 1008 01:00:18,360 --> 01:00:22,710 dot app, it is doing something very interesting. I wanted to 1009 01:00:22,710 --> 01:00:27,270 pitch this to other people who listen to this podcast. So they 1010 01:00:27,270 --> 01:00:31,890 are statistics company, I guess their company was really, it's 1011 01:00:31,890 --> 01:00:37,140 really just an app. And that app loads in your browser that it's 1012 01:00:37,140 --> 01:00:41,670 without a server, I think, almost server lists. And all 1013 01:00:41,670 --> 01:00:44,280 your stats are loaded up and they run in your browser. And I 1014 01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:47,880 think they're doing with that with web assembly, that was not 1015 01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:51,570 the way what it is web assembly. And so they said, hey, you know, 1016 01:00:51,570 --> 01:00:56,370 we want to, we want to be a part of the flow. So can we have 1017 01:00:56,670 --> 01:00:59,940 access to the podcaster wallet, which we had done previously for 1018 01:00:59,940 --> 01:01:03,900 fountain? And you don't have to tell me who else who else. So 1019 01:01:04,140 --> 01:01:07,590 you can actually stream Satoshis rather the first ones. So 1020 01:01:07,590 --> 01:01:11,640 contracts is now actively out there. Marketing to podcasters, 1021 01:01:11,640 --> 01:01:15,210 Hey, come on in, look at all the stats we'll give you give you a 1022 01:01:15,210 --> 01:01:20,130 wallet, we sign you up, we make you value for value enabled. And 1023 01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:23,880 and you can manage your splits right here. And we're a 1024 01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:26,880 statistics provider. And of course, they I don't know 1025 01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:30,090 exactly what they take, but you know, but they've they have, you 1026 01:01:30,090 --> 01:01:32,280 know, the wallet can wherever they are getting Satoshi 1027 01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:37,140 somewhere in the flow. I want to pitch to anybody who wants to do 1028 01:01:37,140 --> 01:01:41,400 this, we have what I think is called a Partner API. Some 1029 01:01:41,400 --> 01:01:45,930 special access anything you even if you just want to be an 1030 01:01:45,930 --> 01:01:50,670 onboarding partner, you know, you can you can do a deal with 1031 01:01:50,670 --> 01:01:54,810 Alby or possibly with breeze coming up or you know, or 1032 01:01:54,810 --> 01:01:57,810 voltage or, and there's so many different people you can do a 1033 01:01:57,810 --> 01:02:01,800 deal with a pot with with wallets. Or maybe your wallet 1034 01:02:01,800 --> 01:02:08,160 provider I don't know. Or maybe you just do a an arm's length 1035 01:02:08,160 --> 01:02:12,540 deal and connect people into get Alby doesn't matter, you can 1036 01:02:12,570 --> 01:02:16,830 onboard people into value for value and get a piece of the 1037 01:02:16,830 --> 01:02:19,350 action for doing that. And I really want to encourage people 1038 01:02:19,350 --> 01:02:23,430 to think about doing that. It's a great way to move value for 1039 01:02:23,430 --> 01:02:28,080 value forward when we're growing at about 100 new podcasts a day. 1040 01:02:29,219 --> 01:02:31,499 Dave Jones: That brings up that's that actually makes me 1041 01:02:31,499 --> 01:02:33,839 want to bring up Daniel J. Lewis, his comment about the 1042 01:02:33,839 --> 01:02:34,529 fees? 1043 01:02:35,340 --> 01:02:37,800 Adam Curry: Yes, please. Well, 1044 01:02:39,420 --> 01:02:41,370 Dave Jones: I think I mean, it's not it's not too much to get 1045 01:02:41,370 --> 01:02:46,320 into. But I think that, here's the way that I look at the My 1046 01:02:46,320 --> 01:02:50,790 reasoning for lightning based value for value is really 1047 01:02:50,790 --> 01:02:56,700 simple. It's undie, platform mobile. If that's a word, 1048 01:02:57,869 --> 01:03:00,449 Adam Curry: we prefer to say censorship resistant, 1049 01:03:00,690 --> 01:03:04,170 Dave Jones: it's okay. Also known as on D platform, 1050 01:03:05,099 --> 01:03:06,929 Adam Curry: let me just write that down another show title. 1051 01:03:08,340 --> 01:03:12,030 Dave Jones: No middlemen, the payment goes from directly from 1052 01:03:12,030 --> 01:03:17,400 the listener directly to you. There's nobody in between. And 1053 01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:23,280 the fees are small, very tiny networks, you run it yourself. 1054 01:03:23,520 --> 01:03:27,660 But in order 123, those are the way those are the order of 1055 01:03:27,660 --> 01:03:33,360 importance that I see those that correct. The higher fees that he 1056 01:03:33,360 --> 01:03:38,430 is talking about, all come from add on services. So if if I 1057 01:03:38,430 --> 01:03:42,630 haven't, if I if I run a number on myself list, I'm just going 1058 01:03:42,630 --> 01:03:47,790 to give a scenario. If I run an umbrella in my house, and I also 1059 01:03:47,790 --> 01:03:53,370 run a podcast zone, those lightning value value payments 1060 01:03:53,370 --> 01:03:57,480 coming from the listener to me, the fees are virtually non 1061 01:03:57,480 --> 01:04:03,540 existent. Correct, they're very, very small, way less than 1062 01:04:03,540 --> 01:04:10,530 anything else you can get. Now, if I have a custodial wallet 1063 01:04:10,530 --> 01:04:16,020 somewhere, let's just say with blueberry, or Alby or some other 1064 01:04:16,020 --> 01:04:18,450 place that okay that they're going to take a percentage 1065 01:04:18,480 --> 01:04:23,070 because you've given you're now using their service and also you 1066 01:04:23,070 --> 01:04:26,820 add on a cot, you know, contracts for staff. But 1067 01:04:26,820 --> 01:04:29,670 there's, you know, you're you're now using somebody else's sir, 1068 01:04:29,850 --> 01:04:34,170 all these serve all these fees, they're coming from additional 1069 01:04:34,170 --> 01:04:37,680 services that people are offering, but those aren't, but 1070 01:04:37,740 --> 01:04:41,550 at the low of this, that's the difference is at the at the most 1071 01:04:41,550 --> 01:04:45,030 fundamental level, in the lightening value for value 1072 01:04:45,030 --> 01:04:50,970 ecosystem. I can run it myself and avoid all that. Yes. But in 1073 01:04:50,970 --> 01:04:55,620 the other system, the Patreon the the you know, these other 1074 01:04:55,950 --> 01:05:00,120 papers, you can't you don't even have that option. You were 1075 01:05:00,120 --> 01:05:04,380 excluded in the Fiat world from from participating in that 1076 01:05:04,380 --> 01:05:05,490 whatsoever in 1077 01:05:05,490 --> 01:05:08,670 Adam Curry: addition, so that I think a good example. And now 1078 01:05:08,700 --> 01:05:12,480 apps will charge what apps want to charge. And I, and it's 1079 01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:18,480 unfortunate but the fee, label, you know, the network fee, for 1080 01:05:18,480 --> 01:05:23,640 actually transferring a payment is not the same as a fee that is 1081 01:05:23,670 --> 01:05:27,060 taken by an app or a service, yet, they're both called a fee. 1082 01:05:27,450 --> 01:05:32,340 Voila, it is what it is. But if you take the plugin, the pod 1083 01:05:32,340 --> 01:05:36,930 press plug in, I think it is power press. So there's a 3% 1084 01:05:36,930 --> 01:05:41,310 fee, they tack on for that. If you don't like it, it's a free 1085 01:05:41,310 --> 01:05:46,200 market. It's a free market, you can you can go to some other 1086 01:05:46,200 --> 01:05:49,770 servers who do it for less. Same, we were saying with 1087 01:05:49,770 --> 01:05:54,180 podcast apps, if a podcast app is charging 5%, and your 1088 01:05:54,180 --> 01:05:57,390 listeners don't like it, your listeners can use a different 1089 01:05:57,390 --> 01:06:02,160 app, you can recommend a different app. This is this is 1090 01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:04,620 the open market this is you know, and it's we're already 1091 01:06:04,620 --> 01:06:07,470 getting close to having enough competition out there that it 1092 01:06:07,470 --> 01:06:12,990 will naturally kind of drive the prices down. It's beautiful that 1093 01:06:12,990 --> 01:06:16,800 way. And ultimately, as you point out, you can have an 1094 01:06:16,800 --> 01:06:21,810 umbrella at home on your cable modem. And wherever, wherever 1095 01:06:21,810 --> 01:06:26,130 you want to host host your files. And you can keep that 1096 01:06:26,130 --> 01:06:28,620 really within your own realm, which is the beauty of 1097 01:06:28,620 --> 01:06:31,080 podcasting. And you'll still be listed right up there with all 1098 01:06:31,080 --> 01:06:34,230 the big boys and podcasts. Next, it comes out of the same API. 1099 01:06:35,250 --> 01:06:39,210 Dave Jones: In the end, there's an M M, I'm not saying that 1100 01:06:39,210 --> 01:06:42,510 everybody can run an umbrella. I'm, that's not at all what I'm 1101 01:06:42,510 --> 01:06:48,870 saying. I'm saying in this in this framework in this scenario, 1102 01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:54,060 you you could if you wanted to, if you wanted to go learn it, 1103 01:06:54,180 --> 01:06:57,780 and you or if you have the the ability, or if you know somebody 1104 01:06:57,780 --> 01:07:02,430 that can help you, you can do it yourself. In the other world you 1105 01:07:02,430 --> 01:07:06,420 can't. That's that is to me that is the fundamental difference of 1106 01:07:06,420 --> 01:07:10,440 what's better everything else. Everything else is just sort of 1107 01:07:10,440 --> 01:07:11,640 like gravy on top of that, 1108 01:07:11,670 --> 01:07:13,800 Adam Curry: including the the fact that micro payments 1109 01:07:13,830 --> 01:07:17,970 themselves are just not feasible in any other system. In a Fiat 1110 01:07:18,060 --> 01:07:23,160 Fiat world is just not possible. Right. Right. We're so smart. 1111 01:07:24,240 --> 01:07:30,630 Dave Jones: That's the same thing. You know, do you see red 1112 01:07:30,630 --> 01:07:35,250 circle started popping? No, I didn't cool. Yes. Yeah. They 1113 01:07:35,250 --> 01:07:38,820 started they started and there's so he might Kayden over at Red 1114 01:07:38,820 --> 01:07:42,510 Circle started the pod pain flow a couple of days ago, and he's 1115 01:07:42,570 --> 01:07:46,260 easy said he's got about 13,000 feets he thinks Wow. Fantastic. 1116 01:07:46,290 --> 01:07:49,290 Yes. So that's coming on board. We've got there's somebody 1117 01:07:49,290 --> 01:07:52,830 there's another host, a larger host that is about to start 1118 01:07:53,280 --> 01:07:55,590 popping in that I cannot reveal yet. 1119 01:07:56,039 --> 01:08:00,209 Adam Curry: Oh, Todd Cochran, all of a sudden, I just, I 1120 01:08:00,209 --> 01:08:04,889 can't. I had a very interesting conversation. I can't talk. You 1121 01:08:04,889 --> 01:08:09,539 can't say it yet. Don't worry. It's coming. In the crowning. 1122 01:08:11,609 --> 01:08:14,399 Sorry, sorry, sorry. Sorry. 1123 01:08:15,389 --> 01:08:19,739 Dave Jones: I like to just say, give a heads up, even though I'm 1124 01:08:19,829 --> 01:08:22,589 being coy. I like to give a heads up because I'd like I like 1125 01:08:22,589 --> 01:08:26,099 people to hear that things are happening. So they, they realize 1126 01:08:26,099 --> 01:08:29,729 that they're the things move slow, you know, things in the in 1127 01:08:29,729 --> 01:08:33,449 open source projects. Prior and then podcasting, especially 1128 01:08:33,449 --> 01:08:36,689 things move slow. So I like to let people know that there is 1129 01:08:36,719 --> 01:08:39,059 momentum and things are happening and don't get 1130 01:08:39,059 --> 01:08:42,239 discouraged. Even even because they're going oh, this 1131 01:08:42,870 --> 01:08:46,050 Adam Curry: is so much happening. I mean, I have to say 1132 01:08:46,050 --> 01:08:49,980 especially blueberry, big props. I listened to their podcast 1133 01:08:49,980 --> 01:08:54,900 insider, all about namespace all about the new features, that 1134 01:08:54,900 --> 01:08:59,340 Todd has seen the writing on the wall, them and I really 1135 01:08:59,340 --> 01:09:03,210 appreciate that about him. He's just gone. I know, everything's 1136 01:09:03,240 --> 01:09:07,200 flat. So we got to go, you know, everyone's zigging, you ever 1137 01:09:07,200 --> 01:09:11,670 we're gonna zag. We'll go over and do this. And he's really 1138 01:09:11,670 --> 01:09:16,140 pushing and he's educating. And he's, he's doing it himself. Now 1139 01:09:16,140 --> 01:09:18,900 he's, he's eating the dog food, which is important. It's really 1140 01:09:18,900 --> 01:09:24,960 important. And, you know, this is the difference between making 1141 01:09:25,800 --> 01:09:30,480 bold, especially value for value work, is by following you know, 1142 01:09:30,480 --> 01:09:35,460 the general guidelines, the general format of explaining 1143 01:09:35,490 --> 01:09:38,520 value, you want value back, there's a feedback loop, you got 1144 01:09:38,520 --> 01:09:42,840 to thank people. You know, you got to do it consistently. And 1145 01:09:42,870 --> 01:09:46,560 for my money, you should also be mentioning the amount of 1146 01:09:46,560 --> 01:09:50,400 Satoshis that you're receiving. Because it first of all, is very 1147 01:09:50,400 --> 01:09:54,450 transparent. People love that. It's also very aspirational. And 1148 01:09:54,450 --> 01:09:58,110 we've seen that ourselves. Like, just with that live thing we did 1149 01:09:58,410 --> 01:10:02,430 with the dance party. If I didn't tell people to request I 1150 01:10:02,430 --> 01:10:05,820 didn't tell people to boost 5000 SATs more for each song. I 1151 01:10:05,820 --> 01:10:08,130 didn't come up with that. But I accepted it. 1152 01:10:09,690 --> 01:10:12,030 Dave Jones: As you're breaking, you're breaking the rules based 1153 01:10:12,030 --> 01:10:13,110 podcasting order. 1154 01:10:14,250 --> 01:10:16,980 Adam Curry: This international international rules of 1155 01:10:16,980 --> 01:10:18,510 podcasting rules based order. 1156 01:10:18,720 --> 01:10:21,630 Dave Jones: Yeah, exactly. In the in the internet in the 1157 01:10:21,630 --> 01:10:23,970 international rules based podcasting order. We're like 1158 01:10:23,970 --> 01:10:24,780 North Korea. 1159 01:10:25,920 --> 01:10:29,550 Adam Curry: Yeah, we're lobbing missiles everywhere. There does 1160 01:10:30,420 --> 01:10:35,130 Dave Jones: that. Fancy Japan mostly. They were in the air at 1161 01:10:35,130 --> 01:10:35,550 one point. 1162 01:10:37,290 --> 01:10:40,290 Adam Curry: I just want to do a couple of quick boosts that 1163 01:10:40,290 --> 01:10:44,490 we've been receiving since since starting Dred Scott who of 1164 01:10:44,490 --> 01:10:49,920 course we love 33,333 He wants a birthday shout out. Well, of 1165 01:10:49,920 --> 01:10:54,930 course. Happy birthday. Happy birthday drab. I think was his 1166 01:10:54,930 --> 01:10:57,150 panties that were left on the turntable yesterday. I'm 1167 01:10:57,150 --> 01:10:59,280 Dave Jones: not quite sure. Hey, now Hey, 1168 01:11:00,150 --> 01:11:04,170 Adam Curry: thank you to phone boy. Cuz I I did interrupt his 1169 01:11:04,170 --> 01:11:08,130 show, or we interrupted his show on the stream. 6969 sent that 1170 01:11:08,130 --> 01:11:10,800 twice. Actually. He said never thought I'd be a lead in for the 1171 01:11:10,800 --> 01:11:13,500 pod father on a Saturday, Phoenix and I appreciate all 1172 01:11:13,500 --> 01:11:17,040 you're doing to advance podcasting. Come experience the 1173 01:11:17,040 --> 01:11:22,050 Lotus effect for yourself at oops, at Lotus effect dot show. 1174 01:11:22,590 --> 01:11:25,440 And thank you very much for letting us letting us break in 1175 01:11:25,440 --> 01:11:32,640 like that. We just shot in here sir Spencer 16969 Thanks again. 1176 01:11:32,640 --> 01:11:35,070 Dave. For the wonderful time Sunday. I'm bowls with buds. 1177 01:11:35,070 --> 01:11:38,520 Thanks, Adam for the club 30 throwback in the rowdy boardroom 1178 01:11:38,520 --> 01:11:43,350 dance party. Yes, anyone can run an unbroken, not everyone is 1179 01:11:43,350 --> 01:11:48,390 willing but for minimal effort. Everyone is capable. I think 1180 01:11:48,390 --> 01:11:53,400 that's actually kind of true. They do minimum, a man's just as 1181 01:11:53,400 --> 01:11:56,910 much to learn how to set up a podcast is to set that up. 1182 01:11:57,720 --> 01:12:00,750 Dave Jones: People set up a stereo system. That's not easy, 1183 01:12:00,750 --> 01:12:01,230 either. I remember 1184 01:12:01,230 --> 01:12:03,960 Adam Curry: those days. You got to strip the wires for the 1185 01:12:03,960 --> 01:12:05,220 speaker connectors. 1186 01:12:05,880 --> 01:12:07,650 Dave Jones: Yeah. And your mom would always call you and ask 1187 01:12:07,650 --> 01:12:09,030 you wouldn't How do you turn it on? You 1188 01:12:09,030 --> 01:12:12,300 Adam Curry: turn it off? Are you connected properly? Watch cable. 1189 01:12:17,070 --> 01:12:19,890 Okay, let's see. Well, we'll do more, we'll do more boost in a 1190 01:12:19,890 --> 01:12:20,340 second. 1191 01:12:24,930 --> 01:12:30,180 Dave Jones: Added enclosure. So dad was working with Dan 1192 01:12:30,180 --> 01:12:35,820 Benjamin on a on a project of his and he needed he needed a 1193 01:12:35,820 --> 01:12:36,600 way to 1194 01:12:36,630 --> 01:12:37,650 Adam Curry: are you an advisor? 1195 01:12:39,810 --> 01:12:46,440 Dave Jones: Yes, yeah. I'm an 8am, an unpaid adviser. The the 1196 01:12:46,440 --> 01:12:52,080 API, he needed a way to call the API and say, Okay, I've got an 1197 01:12:52,080 --> 01:12:57,960 iTunes ID and an enclosure URL. I don't know any other way to 1198 01:12:57,960 --> 01:13:01,680 reach outside. He's like I got I want. I know the enclosure URL 1199 01:13:01,680 --> 01:13:05,550 of the episode I need to get. And I know the iTunes ID of the 1200 01:13:05,550 --> 01:13:10,320 feed. So I given those two things. I want to be able to 1201 01:13:10,320 --> 01:13:14,190 give them to the index to the API and have in Have you 1202 01:13:14,190 --> 01:13:19,050 returned the show the episode. So we did that. So that's 1203 01:13:19,080 --> 01:13:22,530 interesting. That's in there now. So if you have if you hit a 1204 01:13:22,530 --> 01:13:27,690 scenario where you're like, I don't know the episode GUID, or 1205 01:13:27,690 --> 01:13:31,230 any other the title or really anything else about the episode, 1206 01:13:31,440 --> 01:13:36,930 all I know is the enclosure URL. You can now submit you can now 1207 01:13:36,960 --> 01:13:40,410 add that on as an extra parameter to the episodes by 1208 01:13:40,410 --> 01:13:43,950 iTunes ID your episodes by feed ID endpoints. And it will give 1209 01:13:43,950 --> 01:13:47,100 you back the correct episode information. 1210 01:13:48,030 --> 01:13:51,210 Adam Curry: Okay. Yes, that sounds like a cool endpoint. 1211 01:13:52,080 --> 01:13:53,490 Dave Jones: That's pretty neat. We hang in 1212 01:13:53,490 --> 01:13:55,470 Adam Curry: that all night. Oh, episode. 1213 01:13:58,050 --> 01:14:01,740 Dave Jones: We were moving forward then. The API. 1214 01:14:02,310 --> 01:14:05,040 Adam Curry: Good. pretty rich, getting pretty rich there, Dave? 1215 01:14:05,460 --> 01:14:07,140 Dave Jones: stuff with it? Yeah, you can do a lot of stuff with 1216 01:14:07,140 --> 01:14:09,480 it. I don't think I even talked about on the show that you can 1217 01:14:09,480 --> 01:14:18,000 now get live items back from the episodes endpoint. So if you 1218 01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:23,400 call the episodes by feed ID endpoint to give it a feed ID or 1219 01:14:23,400 --> 01:14:29,160 a feed URL. It will hand you back the episodes and the live 1220 01:14:29,160 --> 01:14:34,290 items. If if the show is live, has live out of scheduled or 1221 01:14:34,290 --> 01:14:39,930 live currently, you will get those back to there's there's a 1222 01:14:39,930 --> 01:14:42,930 lot of stuff that I only post about, like when we change the 1223 01:14:42,930 --> 01:14:45,390 API. I'm only posting about it on podcast index dot social, and 1224 01:14:45,390 --> 01:14:46,890 I forget to talk about it on the show. 1225 01:14:46,920 --> 01:14:51,480 Adam Curry: No, this was good. There was something else I saw 1226 01:14:52,170 --> 01:14:59,880 on the GitHub. An author tag you were talking about. I think just 1227 01:14:59,880 --> 01:15:00,510 some So you're 1228 01:15:00,510 --> 01:15:02,550 Dave Jones: ready to talk about publisher? 1229 01:15:03,150 --> 01:15:05,280 Adam Curry: Publisher? Yeah. Publisher author. Yes. 1230 01:15:05,910 --> 01:15:10,830 Dave Jones: So there's a proposal for a tag. This is 1231 01:15:10,830 --> 01:15:12,720 namespace talk. You want to drop that? Oh, 1232 01:15:13,260 --> 01:15:15,180 Adam Curry: I'm sorry. We haven't done that in quite a 1233 01:15:15,180 --> 01:15:22,500 while. And now it's time for some hot namespace talk. Yeah, 1234 01:15:22,500 --> 01:15:26,550 so I heard the dance party last night. Yeah. Jennifer came right 1235 01:15:26,550 --> 01:15:30,360 in, man. She's like, she's partying down. 1236 01:15:30,870 --> 01:15:33,750 Dave Jones: It is 730. On Saturday. Nice. I mean, that's 1237 01:15:33,750 --> 01:15:34,200 appropriate. 1238 01:15:35,130 --> 01:15:36,360 Adam Curry: It's okay. For now. Yeah. 1239 01:15:38,730 --> 01:15:42,570 Dave Jones: So that there was a proposal for a publisher, a way 1240 01:15:42,570 --> 01:15:47,730 to track publishers of shows instead of just simply the, the, 1241 01:15:47,730 --> 01:15:53,730 the host of the show. So if you have, like a way to for you to 1242 01:15:53,730 --> 01:16:00,600 go in and say, Okay, I want to see all of the podcasts by I 1243 01:16:00,600 --> 01:16:04,830 don't know what at wondery or luminary, or NPR just made NPR, 1244 01:16:04,830 --> 01:16:10,590 NPR is NPR. Some of them are tagged correctly, or tagged in a 1245 01:16:10,590 --> 01:16:13,980 way that you can do that some of them aren't. If there was a tag 1246 01:16:13,980 --> 01:16:20,520 there that was specifically for that. In the so he gives the 1247 01:16:20,520 --> 01:16:24,420 reference of the iTunes author tag, which is supposed to kind 1248 01:16:24,420 --> 01:16:29,220 of be that way. But it's, it's a little too freeform. And so the 1249 01:16:29,220 --> 01:16:33,180 freeform of the of it. Again, not a word, but the free form 80 1250 01:16:33,180 --> 01:16:40,560 of it is a little problematic, because you can't it gets messy. 1251 01:16:41,250 --> 01:16:45,540 Is it? You know, if you have to, if you have two publishers, 1252 01:16:45,540 --> 01:16:48,270 let's just say it's a joint effort between the New York 1253 01:16:48,270 --> 01:16:52,410 Times and cereal Yeah. Are you just gonna have freeform text in 1254 01:16:52,410 --> 01:16:55,320 their New York Times and cereal? And then another one may say 1255 01:16:55,320 --> 01:16:56,910 cereal a New York Times? No, that's 1256 01:16:56,910 --> 01:16:59,340 Adam Curry: not that's not that's not structured data 1257 01:16:59,580 --> 01:17:05,760 Dave Jones: is not structured data. So he proposed a way to do 1258 01:17:05,760 --> 01:17:08,910 it by, you know, will in a more structured way where you have 1259 01:17:08,910 --> 01:17:11,850 multiple entries there where it's for each publisher, 1260 01:17:12,360 --> 01:17:17,310 enclosed in sort of a parent tag. And then you can ease more 1261 01:17:17,310 --> 01:17:20,850 easily aggregate that and then go back after the fact and say, 1262 01:17:20,850 --> 01:17:23,880 show me all the podcasts by the New York Times and you get them 1263 01:17:23,880 --> 01:17:27,810 all. Together. think there needs more comments on that though? 1264 01:17:27,930 --> 01:17:31,380 Adam Curry: Okay. I have a link to it in the in the show notes. 1265 01:17:31,890 --> 01:17:35,700 Dave Jones: Because I'm a little I think it's not. It needs that 1266 01:17:35,700 --> 01:17:38,610 it. I see what he's doing. And I like it, but it does need some 1267 01:17:38,610 --> 01:17:41,130 work. And I think there just needs to be more voices in there 1268 01:17:41,130 --> 01:17:49,860 commenting on it would be good. Also in the namespace. On that 1269 01:17:49,860 --> 01:17:53,280 side of things, let's see what actually didn't me. I didn't 1270 01:17:53,280 --> 01:17:55,860 have another namespace you get anything else I get find this? 1271 01:17:55,860 --> 01:17:59,640 Adam Curry: Yes. I wanted to give another plug for the 1272 01:17:59,640 --> 01:18:04,170 transcript search tool, which Steven B put together. He needs 1273 01:18:04,170 --> 01:18:08,010 a domain name right now. It's transcript das search dot versal 1274 01:18:08,010 --> 01:18:13,170 dot app. Not a great name. No, but it's it's how we started 1275 01:18:13,170 --> 01:18:16,650 everything off. And he uses that kind of as his building place. 1276 01:18:17,130 --> 01:18:21,750 This thing is outstanding. And I'm not sure how to integrate it 1277 01:18:21,750 --> 01:18:26,850 into public life. I use it all the time. I mean, you literally 1278 01:18:26,850 --> 01:18:33,300 type in A C podcasting. 2.0 and you can search the directory, 1279 01:18:33,330 --> 01:18:37,260 that was my request. Okay, there it is podcasting. 2.0. And then 1280 01:18:37,260 --> 01:18:40,590 you can say Alright, now I'm going to do a search term. So 1281 01:18:40,590 --> 01:18:43,680 let's give me a search term. That's crazy. Dave, what's 1282 01:18:43,680 --> 01:18:45,420 something that we could use in our 1283 01:18:45,450 --> 01:18:45,900 Dave Jones: show? 1284 01:18:45,930 --> 01:18:48,720 Adam Curry: Yeah, in our show, yeah. Something that's gonna 1285 01:18:48,720 --> 01:18:50,220 show up once or twice. 1286 01:18:50,790 --> 01:18:56,130 Dave Jones: Just only once or twice. Oh my gosh. Okay, cake. 1287 01:18:56,310 --> 01:19:00,120 See, aka Jenkins 1288 01:19:00,150 --> 01:19:05,340 Adam Curry: Well turns out episode 118 one occurrence, and 1289 01:19:05,340 --> 01:19:09,570 I can click on the timecode and then I can hit play these things 1290 01:19:09,570 --> 01:19:13,050 that was just icing on the cake for a corporation to score 1291 01:19:13,050 --> 01:19:18,630 brownie points. Oh, come on. That's pretty rad. Episode 100 1292 01:19:18,660 --> 01:19:22,470 streamers and dreamers 158 17 1293 01:19:22,500 --> 01:19:24,720 Unknown: craft services table eating cake and drinking 1294 01:19:24,720 --> 01:19:25,320 Prosecco. 1295 01:19:25,380 --> 01:19:30,210 Adam Curry: Even got it from from a clip. This is good. 1296 01:19:30,750 --> 01:19:34,080 Dave Jones: That is red. is rad. Correct? Yeah, 1297 01:19:34,110 --> 01:19:37,890 Adam Curry: let's see if RAD is in there. Let's see rad. Rad. 1298 01:19:38,910 --> 01:19:42,780 Seems like there's a lot in there. Also picks up rod Do you 1299 01:19:42,780 --> 01:19:49,380 know the traditional way maybe if I do it in quotes, I wonder 1300 01:19:49,380 --> 01:19:53,190 how well that search is. Let me see. Yeah, nothing when I do it 1301 01:19:53,190 --> 01:19:57,540 and in quotes nothing. How about radio and now it doesn't, 1302 01:19:57,990 --> 01:20:02,160 doesn't do the Boolean unfortunate Ellie just says it's 1303 01:20:02,160 --> 01:20:05,310 beautiful something something needs to be done with this tool 1304 01:20:05,460 --> 01:20:10,620 other than just, I use it. I use it all the time, particularly 1305 01:20:10,620 --> 01:20:15,870 when divorce acts as a dad. Now I can just go Yeah, you did. And 1306 01:20:15,870 --> 01:20:18,000 I boom, click click, you saw a fast I did that. 1307 01:20:20,070 --> 01:20:22,170 Dave Jones: That's really very 1308 01:20:22,170 --> 01:20:25,140 Adam Curry: impressive is very, very impressive. And firstly, it 1309 01:20:25,140 --> 01:20:28,740 needs a domain names to even be first of all these domain name. 1310 01:20:29,190 --> 01:20:33,510 It's just it's it's fantastic. It's a great tool. 1311 01:20:35,250 --> 01:20:38,520 Dave Jones: I found Okay, so I found this the so we have we 1312 01:20:38,520 --> 01:20:44,820 have phase six here. And we've got a few tags, I think we need 1313 01:20:44,820 --> 01:20:49,830 to start to coalesce around what what we think is going to get to 1314 01:20:49,860 --> 01:20:51,540 has a chance to make it in there. 1315 01:20:51,570 --> 01:20:52,800 Adam Curry: Okay, what was the 1316 01:20:52,800 --> 01:20:58,290 Dave Jones: list? There is? Value see the secret message. 1317 01:20:58,530 --> 01:21:05,640 There's the state tag, which I'm sure Daniel has a comment about 1318 01:21:05,640 --> 01:21:12,300 the name of that. The state tag is just some way to identify 1319 01:21:13,710 --> 01:21:17,280 where weather this some things about this feed that don't 1320 01:21:17,280 --> 01:21:21,510 really fit into other categories. So things like is it 1321 01:21:21,510 --> 01:21:26,820 free? Is it premium? That kind of that kind of thing? As it is 1322 01:21:26,820 --> 01:21:31,470 a paid for feed? Let's see what the let's see what I've got in 1323 01:21:31,470 --> 01:21:36,870 there already. Yeah, so is it? Is it true? Is this under a 1324 01:21:36,870 --> 01:21:42,630 trial? Is the podcast on hiatus? Is it a subscription only? Is 1325 01:21:42,630 --> 01:21:47,610 it? Is it an under a trial period by the published by the 1326 01:21:47,640 --> 01:21:51,510 hosting platform, sort of some stuff about the feed that you 1327 01:21:51,510 --> 01:21:58,230 might want to know. But it's you could group them together. And 1328 01:21:58,230 --> 01:22:00,990 this may not be a great way to do it. I'm just I just threw 1329 01:22:00,990 --> 01:22:07,050 this out there for comment, then you have John Spurlock's events. 1330 01:22:07,200 --> 01:22:10,650 Adam Curry: Yes, yes. Yes. Yes. Well, that really needs some 1331 01:22:10,650 --> 01:22:11,910 work the events tag. 1332 01:22:13,980 --> 01:22:16,590 Dave Jones: It's got a lot of commentary on it right here. 1333 01:22:16,620 --> 01:22:21,840 Okay. And, and I feel like we need to start trying to decide 1334 01:22:21,840 --> 01:22:26,640 whether or not that can actually get get refined to in a way that 1335 01:22:26,640 --> 01:22:33,570 everybody's happy with to get into Phase six. The C D has 1336 01:22:33,570 --> 01:22:38,340 guests, James grillin. proposed a tag. There's just a simple 1337 01:22:38,340 --> 01:22:43,440 Boolean tag. Patek podcast co lon has guests, yes or no, 1338 01:22:43,470 --> 01:22:50,670 right. And it's just, it's just what it says on the box. A lot 1339 01:22:50,670 --> 01:22:52,080 of people seem to like this idea. 1340 01:22:52,110 --> 01:22:54,120 Adam Curry: Yeah, sounds good. That sounds good to me. 1341 01:22:54,660 --> 01:22:57,810 Dave Jones: My first thought when I saw it was math. And then 1342 01:22:58,650 --> 01:23:01,290 like, and then I thought about it. And I'm like, you know, that 1343 01:23:01,290 --> 01:23:03,540 actually is pretty good idea. There's really not another way 1344 01:23:03,540 --> 01:23:09,780 to get that. And a lot of these tags are about it seems like in 1345 01:23:09,780 --> 01:23:14,130 phase six, there's a lot of stuff around just giving 1346 01:23:14,130 --> 01:23:18,990 information that is not, maybe it's not necessary, it's not 1347 01:23:18,990 --> 01:23:25,140 critical to the show. But it's helpful to have Dara say, 1348 01:23:25,380 --> 01:23:31,860 discovery. Like, I can see this feeding. So these fall under a 1349 01:23:31,860 --> 01:23:40,080 category to me of, of bits of information that you as the 1350 01:23:40,080 --> 01:23:45,930 podcaster may want to let other let the world know. It's it's 1351 01:23:45,930 --> 01:23:50,160 not. It's sort of like, like, like the person tag, or the 1352 01:23:50,160 --> 01:23:56,880 location tag, it's it's just, I can put this into my show, I can 1353 01:23:56,880 --> 01:24:00,390 mark this in my show at my hosting company that gives a 1354 01:24:00,390 --> 01:24:07,410 signal to the world about what they can expect to find in my 1355 01:24:07,410 --> 01:24:12,630 show. I found those sorts of things to be valuable, because, 1356 01:24:13,410 --> 01:24:16,560 you know, some people just don't, they don't like interview 1357 01:24:16,560 --> 01:24:19,860 shows. They're just not that like, it's I'm never gonna 1358 01:24:19,860 --> 01:24:23,130 listen to an interview show. I don't really listen to hardly 1359 01:24:23,130 --> 01:24:26,790 any interview shows. I guess it's just not my thing. And so 1360 01:24:26,820 --> 01:24:30,300 if it's a show that has guests, I'm probably not gonna listen to 1361 01:24:30,300 --> 01:24:38,550 it. And I can see that being just more you know, ways to let 1362 01:24:38,550 --> 01:24:43,320 the universe know about what are the sort of the framework of 1363 01:24:43,320 --> 01:24:52,260 what your show is? Again, not not critical, but helpful. Um, 1364 01:24:52,260 --> 01:24:52,410 hold 1365 01:24:52,410 --> 01:24:56,010 Adam Curry: on one second. Let me let me tell you, like, let me 1366 01:24:56,010 --> 01:24:56,610 test this. 1367 01:24:57,690 --> 01:24:59,580 Dave Jones: My first thought when I saw it was math 1368 01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:03,600 Adam Curry: They go long live the ISO bought 1369 01:25:04,169 --> 01:25:06,989 Dave Jones: the ISO but thought I said, Man, they thought that 1370 01:25:06,989 --> 01:25:10,469 was the most the right way to say, man. 1371 01:25:10,949 --> 01:25:12,899 Adam Curry: Doesn't matter. I'm still loving it. 1372 01:25:15,780 --> 01:25:19,440 Dave Jones: And the remote item tag, I really think out of the 1373 01:25:19,440 --> 01:25:22,470 whole batch, the remote item tag is the one I want to get in 1374 01:25:22,470 --> 01:25:23,100 there the most. 1375 01:25:23,130 --> 01:25:24,840 Adam Curry: I'm with you on that. I like that idea. 1376 01:25:25,980 --> 01:25:28,290 Dave Jones: I think if nothing else, we need to get the remote 1377 01:25:28,290 --> 01:25:34,020 item tag in there. Events. To me, it goes in this order remote 1378 01:25:34,020 --> 01:25:43,080 item events. And then there's list mediums. And I think those 1379 01:25:43,080 --> 01:25:45,150 list mediums need to go in there as well. 1380 01:25:45,660 --> 01:25:48,600 Adam Curry: Yeah, yeah, that's a good one. Because we need we 1381 01:25:48,600 --> 01:25:51,510 need. We need a lot. We need something for that. I'm looking 1382 01:25:51,510 --> 01:25:56,070 at the music side project.com. And the search is just not 1383 01:25:56,070 --> 01:26:01,200 music. The search populates with everything. It doesn't. Yeah, 1384 01:26:01,890 --> 01:26:06,480 that's inherently not right. And I think that, I don't know, 1385 01:26:06,480 --> 01:26:11,550 maybe if you just search for any term in them, that you think 1386 01:26:11,550 --> 01:26:13,560 would be music, I get podcast. 1387 01:26:14,610 --> 01:26:18,870 Dave Jones: Oh, what if you search for podcasting today? No, 1388 01:26:18,870 --> 01:26:24,120 yeah, you get a podcast. That's not That's not the way I think 1389 01:26:24,120 --> 01:26:26,220 it should be. No, he intended that. 1390 01:26:26,340 --> 01:26:28,770 Adam Curry: Is there a way to only search for music? 1391 01:26:29,850 --> 01:26:32,040 Dave Jones: That I thought that's what it would do? Yeah. 1392 01:26:32,040 --> 01:26:32,190 But 1393 01:26:32,190 --> 01:26:34,470 Adam Curry: how do we have an API endpoint? 1394 01:26:38,070 --> 01:26:38,970 Unknown: I thought we did. 1395 01:26:41,130 --> 01:26:44,460 Adam Curry: Maybe not. Yikes. Maybe we do. Here's another 1396 01:26:44,460 --> 01:26:47,040 question. Is wavelike Tada. We 1397 01:26:47,040 --> 01:26:48,090 Dave Jones: do we do, don't we? 1398 01:26:48,300 --> 01:26:50,220 Adam Curry: I don't know. I'm not in charge of that. 1399 01:26:50,580 --> 01:26:56,490 Dave Jones: Wave. Wave like is not pod pinging? They're not no 1400 01:26:57,690 --> 01:26:59,910 Adam Curry: but they but they are adding stuff to the to the 1401 01:26:59,910 --> 01:27:00,540 index. 1402 01:27:01,530 --> 01:27:04,560 Dave Jones: Hmm Yeah, well, we're Yeah, we're picking it up. 1403 01:27:04,800 --> 01:27:13,320 Okay. They submit Yeah. That their Gosh, net now you know 1404 01:27:13,320 --> 01:27:18,150 what now I feel caught off guard because they may be pod paying 1405 01:27:18,150 --> 01:27:20,910 me who runs this 1406 01:27:20,910 --> 01:27:23,340 Adam Curry: a I don't know who runs anything who runs the show 1407 01:27:23,340 --> 01:27:23,700 here? 1408 01:27:25,410 --> 01:27:31,590 Dave Jones: Podcast? No idea. Wow. I have no idea what 1409 01:27:31,590 --> 01:27:39,870 anything. That's good. This is good. Good question. I'm 1410 01:27:39,870 --> 01:27:44,580 literally ever saw Michael ever wave like a potty. 1411 01:27:45,450 --> 01:27:47,280 Adam Curry: That's so funny. That's so funny. 1412 01:27:48,630 --> 01:27:52,740 Dave Jones: I see. No. I see no pod paying that I've ever sent 1413 01:27:52,740 --> 01:27:55,530 to Mike. I think he's just submitting. All right. 1414 01:27:56,190 --> 01:27:57,750 Adam Curry: Because I'm super pumped. And we're going to have 1415 01:27:57,750 --> 01:27:59,160 these guys on pretty soon, right? 1416 01:28:00,060 --> 01:28:04,290 Dave Jones: Yeah, the after we after we screwed them. After I 1417 01:28:04,290 --> 01:28:04,980 screwed them over. We're 1418 01:28:04,980 --> 01:28:06,840 Adam Curry: gonna have on eventually. Right. We'll fix 1419 01:28:06,840 --> 01:28:07,410 that. Yeah. 1420 01:28:07,440 --> 01:28:10,650 Dave Jones: Okay. Yeah, I am kind of glad that they did. I 1421 01:28:10,650 --> 01:28:12,180 screwed that up. And they didn't show up. 1422 01:28:12,480 --> 01:28:13,980 Adam Curry: And that would have been even worse. Yeah. Would 1423 01:28:13,980 --> 01:28:16,080 have been worse. We had sorry, by the way we 1424 01:28:18,270 --> 01:28:18,990 Dave Jones: understand Adam, 1425 01:28:19,020 --> 01:28:22,260 Adam Curry: so I was just Yeah, right. Well, I switched to a 1426 01:28:22,260 --> 01:28:25,740 different a different internet connection. That worked. Okay. 1427 01:28:26,850 --> 01:28:29,940 But the amount of people who said hey, I'm available, I can 1428 01:28:29,940 --> 01:28:33,060 do it like Sam Sethi like hey, I can do I can jump on right now. 1429 01:28:33,060 --> 01:28:35,520 I couldn't do anything that Dave can do. I'm like, no. 1430 01:28:37,110 --> 01:28:42,240 Dave Jones: Let's see how it is. Sam you can be okay. Exactly. 1431 01:28:42,240 --> 01:28:43,200 You know, my back. 1432 01:28:43,770 --> 01:28:46,530 Adam Curry: And I'm like, No, this is not gonna happen. That's 1433 01:28:46,530 --> 01:28:48,840 not ever gonna happen. This is the show. 1434 01:28:49,560 --> 01:28:51,900 Dave Jones: Hey, James Sam's ever ever out of town? Give me a 1435 01:28:51,900 --> 01:28:52,320 call 1436 01:28:56,520 --> 01:28:58,110 Adam Curry: Yeah, that's what your for your friends as well. 1437 01:28:58,110 --> 01:29:00,210 The duty you read in 1438 01:29:00,210 --> 01:29:01,230 Dave Jones: the back. So that's right. 1439 01:29:04,530 --> 01:29:06,930 Adam Curry: You got thanks for people I do have. I do have 1440 01:29:06,930 --> 01:29:11,310 another small item that I'm not quite sure. I just want to bring 1441 01:29:11,310 --> 01:29:14,700 it up. Because, you know, I've been looking at noster I've been 1442 01:29:14,700 --> 01:29:19,860 on noster I have a you know, my key is there whatever. I go on 1443 01:29:19,860 --> 01:29:23,850 from time to time. And I'm sensing hostility. I don't like 1444 01:29:23,850 --> 01:29:26,940 it. And I'll tell you what it is. It goes like this. 1445 01:29:27,870 --> 01:29:30,600 Podcasting to point out value for value stocks, everything 1446 01:29:30,600 --> 01:29:35,610 should be zaps and wishes okay, because you know, like whatever 1447 01:29:35,610 --> 01:29:37,770 people can say whatever they want, because now this 1448 01:29:37,770 --> 01:29:40,800 Dave Jones: thing they you just said is this a tone that you're 1449 01:29:40,800 --> 01:29:43,350 picking up? Or is this something that was actually said? 1450 01:29:43,380 --> 01:29:45,450 Adam Curry: No, it was said it was said that way? There was 1451 01:29:45,480 --> 01:29:47,850 there was a thread? Yeah, I mean, of course I am 1452 01:29:47,880 --> 01:29:51,000 interpreting the actual tone of voice, which is what I 1453 01:29:51,000 --> 01:29:55,830 translated to appropriately. Yes, yes. And of course, Oscar 1454 01:29:55,830 --> 01:30:00,480 over the fountain immediately makes zapping available I'm on 1455 01:30:00,480 --> 01:30:06,240 fountain, to the fountain wallet. And I'm, I'm just not 1456 01:30:06,240 --> 01:30:11,100 feeling good about this. I'm not sure what it is, other than it 1457 01:30:11,100 --> 01:30:17,130 feels like Ellen, Ellen URL mafia all over again. You know, 1458 01:30:17,550 --> 01:30:21,540 like Henry, there was even a thread like, you know, noster 1459 01:30:21,540 --> 01:30:25,230 should replace RSS feeds or whatever. There's all kinds of 1460 01:30:25,230 --> 01:30:29,610 stuff and and I'm just like, I'm not worried about any of that. 1461 01:30:29,970 --> 01:30:38,910 But I want to be able to harness the the excitement over zaps. If 1462 01:30:38,910 --> 01:30:44,160 there's a valid place for that in, in podcasting value for 1463 01:30:44,160 --> 01:30:48,600 value streaming stuff, I just don't see it. And it's kind of 1464 01:30:48,600 --> 01:30:49,440 bugged me. 1465 01:30:50,250 --> 01:30:54,450 Dave Jones: I mean, it's been irritating me too. And it's so 1466 01:30:54,450 --> 01:31:00,030 this, I saw the RSS thing. There's this cult, this, 1467 01:31:00,540 --> 01:31:03,840 Adam Curry: who used to use the C word C word you may use cult? 1468 01:31:04,740 --> 01:31:05,010 No. 1469 01:31:06,240 --> 01:31:09,210 Dave Jones: Maybe Maybe I started to say culture. Oh, 1470 01:31:09,690 --> 01:31:13,290 cool. Maybe called is a root word of culture is called. It is 1471 01:31:13,290 --> 01:31:17,460 a twofer. I get them both. Yes. Right. So there's this, there's 1472 01:31:17,460 --> 01:31:19,950 this sort of like, I feel like there's a I've been spending 1473 01:31:19,950 --> 01:31:23,850 time on nostra to, to, I need to understand this thing and what 1474 01:31:23,850 --> 01:31:26,310 and what's happening over there? And what's being said, and I 1475 01:31:26,310 --> 01:31:30,000 just want I don't like, don't like, there being all this 1476 01:31:30,030 --> 01:31:31,710 motion. And I don't understand what's happening. 1477 01:31:32,460 --> 01:31:35,520 Adam Curry: Yeah, there you go. That's exactly it. Yeah, it's 1478 01:31:35,520 --> 01:31:35,850 like, 1479 01:31:35,880 --> 01:31:38,880 Dave Jones: it's like this, like a bunch of loud things, driving 1480 01:31:38,880 --> 01:31:41,220 by your house, you know, for 15 minutes, eventually, you're 1481 01:31:41,220 --> 01:31:47,430 gonna get out and look out the window. So this spending time to 1482 01:31:47,430 --> 01:31:52,920 me, I feel like there is this culture of the sugar daddy 1483 01:31:52,920 --> 01:31:57,000 culture in Austria, and I think it comes from Dorsey the fact 1484 01:31:57,030 --> 01:32:02,580 that that Dorsey is bankrolling a bunch of stuff over there. 1485 01:32:02,610 --> 01:32:05,820 Yeah. Agree. And that that's where you get this sort of like, 1486 01:32:05,850 --> 01:32:09,120 I'm going to pay a bounty of, of a million sets, if somebody 1487 01:32:09,120 --> 01:32:14,430 makes RSS feeds on noster. It's like, why this is, it's just a 1488 01:32:14,430 --> 01:32:20,010 dumb idea. To me, it's the whole it's the it's just dumb. I mean, 1489 01:32:20,010 --> 01:32:23,640 there are, so you're going to ingest an RSS feed, and then 1490 01:32:24,360 --> 01:32:28,650 post it on noster. Like, what is it? What's the point? And I 1491 01:32:28,650 --> 01:32:30,810 don't even know, I just don't understand this. And we've 1492 01:32:30,810 --> 01:32:33,420 already we already went down this road. That is, I think 1493 01:32:33,420 --> 01:32:38,640 people, people in the not in the Ellen URL nostra group may not 1494 01:32:38,640 --> 01:32:41,730 understand that we've already thought a lot of this stuff 1495 01:32:41,730 --> 01:32:45,600 through. Yeah, we've fought the battle to get some to get this 1496 01:32:45,600 --> 01:32:51,240 stuff the way that it operates now, and that is, you, you it is 1497 01:32:51,240 --> 01:32:58,800 not the right solution to force some to force the listener to 1498 01:32:58,800 --> 01:33:03,630 create an invoice every time they want to pay you. It's key 1499 01:33:03,630 --> 01:33:07,980 send is much as much as people may not like he said it is the 1500 01:33:07,980 --> 01:33:12,750 right answer to this problem. And being able to, and there 1501 01:33:12,750 --> 01:33:17,160 should not have to be any name resolution, that putting a a 1502 01:33:17,160 --> 01:33:24,600 node ID into a feed with key send is the lamest and meanest 1503 01:33:24,600 --> 01:33:28,170 solution. And it solves this problem perfectly. The app 1504 01:33:28,260 --> 01:33:32,820 doesn't have to do hardly any work at all. It just, it just 1505 01:33:32,820 --> 01:33:36,690 looks at the node ID and boom, it's done. You don't have to do 1506 01:33:36,690 --> 01:33:43,050 all this crazy Ellen, your LP. Look at your nip 50 sevens. And 1507 01:33:43,050 --> 01:33:46,500 all this guy's like, you got to do all that. And so that's 10 1508 01:33:46,500 --> 01:33:49,530 splits in their feed. I mean, look at Think about how hard 1509 01:33:49,530 --> 01:33:50,370 that is for the app. 1510 01:33:51,750 --> 01:33:55,590 Adam Curry: How about this? Is there a way to make a bridge so 1511 01:33:55,590 --> 01:33:59,880 people if they're really want to send a zap, they can zap a 1512 01:33:59,880 --> 01:34:03,060 podcast and it hits the bridge, and that splits it into keys. 1513 01:34:03,060 --> 01:34:05,640 And that's something Brian of London would build, by the way. 1514 01:34:06,330 --> 01:34:08,280 It's one of those Rube Goldberg things. 1515 01:34:10,110 --> 01:34:12,630 Dave Jones: I'm just I'm just not interested. Okay. I'm not 1516 01:34:12,630 --> 01:34:20,400 interested in the, to me. Here's not noster has a people that I 1517 01:34:20,400 --> 01:34:29,190 respect like Alex Gleason have some interest in noster. And so 1518 01:34:29,400 --> 01:34:34,230 I'm not going to say that it's a pile of crap. But I just feel 1519 01:34:34,230 --> 01:34:38,520 like the use cases they're trying to put it to my opinion 1520 01:34:38,520 --> 01:34:42,270 is the the social media use case was the worst. 1521 01:34:42,299 --> 01:34:43,889 Adam Curry: It's probably the worst one they could have used. 1522 01:34:43,919 --> 01:34:44,969 I totally agree. 1523 01:34:46,230 --> 01:34:48,810 Dave Jones: It should have been something it could have should 1524 01:34:48,810 --> 01:34:53,100 have come out of the gate with a different use case. And because 1525 01:34:53,100 --> 01:34:59,490 this this thing is just not compelling to me. I get on my 1526 01:34:59,490 --> 01:35:03,810 app And I don't want to be like Debbie downer, like, beat this 1527 01:35:03,810 --> 01:35:07,620 thing down. Because I don't want people doing that to the early 1528 01:35:07,620 --> 01:35:11,010 work of of what we're doing here either things that we're running 1529 01:35:11,010 --> 01:35:13,770 with scissors, they're running with scissors. I want to be 1530 01:35:13,770 --> 01:35:18,600 fair. But it's just I don't see the point of a lot of this. A 1531 01:35:18,600 --> 01:35:21,840 lot of these use cases as the way they're being implemented 1532 01:35:21,840 --> 01:35:25,680 because you have the I get on my noster app. I mean, I forget 1533 01:35:25,680 --> 01:35:32,880 what the Damas and half the time I've got, I get on there, I 1534 01:35:32,880 --> 01:35:36,120 start to scroll my timeline, and then things begin are popping 1535 01:35:36,120 --> 01:35:40,620 up. Like after the fact, like, there were five seconds 1536 01:35:40,680 --> 01:35:42,240 Adam Curry: the relay start to kick in. 1537 01:35:43,980 --> 01:35:46,410 Dave Jones: And then and then I don't know where I'm at in my 1538 01:35:46,410 --> 01:35:49,560 timeline anymore, and no. Okay, so let's scroll back up to the 1539 01:35:49,560 --> 01:35:55,290 top, scroll by start start again. And then people's names 1540 01:35:55,290 --> 01:35:59,490 are showing up as just pub keys and generic avatars. They're 1541 01:35:59,490 --> 01:36:03,300 just permanent that way. And then, and I tap on, then it does 1542 01:36:03,300 --> 01:36:07,800 the name resolution to find out who they are. It's just not a 1543 01:36:07,800 --> 01:36:08,550 great experience 1544 01:36:08,580 --> 01:36:11,310 Adam Curry: I'm seeing in the chat room or head saying no, no, 1545 01:36:11,310 --> 01:36:14,760 no, it's easy to do. It took less than a weekend to add Ellen 1546 01:36:14,760 --> 01:36:18,300 Euro fall back. If Kishen fails, the guys that get Alby are 1547 01:36:18,300 --> 01:36:21,540 suggesting it if we need to stop something, I need you to say it 1548 01:36:21,540 --> 01:36:26,760 now. Why exactly is it not? Is it too too much overhead for 1549 01:36:26,760 --> 01:36:28,020 apps to do this. 1550 01:36:29,100 --> 01:36:38,010 Dave Jones: So So if if you have if you have to force breeze to 1551 01:36:38,040 --> 01:36:41,940 on a show like ours, which which has nine splits, if you have to 1552 01:36:41,940 --> 01:36:48,810 force breeze, to do an Ellen URL p resolution nine times every 1553 01:36:48,810 --> 01:36:55,200 minute, and boosts on top of that. That's not That's not just 1554 01:36:55,200 --> 01:36:59,400 a lot of a lot of load on the server. Imagine if you have 100 1555 01:36:59,400 --> 01:37:02,340 listeners at all listening to your podcast at the same time, 1556 01:37:02,340 --> 01:37:05,010 which is where we want this thing to be Yeah, imagine, 1557 01:37:05,040 --> 01:37:11,370 imagine no agenda. You have Oh goodness. 700 people listening 1558 01:37:11,400 --> 01:37:14,400 live at the same time. 2000 1559 01:37:14,430 --> 01:37:15,660 Adam Curry: Let's make it 2000. Again, 1560 01:37:15,660 --> 01:37:19,470 Dave Jones: let's say 2000 people listening live on breeze. 1561 01:37:20,580 --> 01:37:24,930 Every one of those breeze apps is sending a streaming payment 1562 01:37:25,080 --> 01:37:29,730 once a minute and having to do pretend potentially nine or 10 l 1563 01:37:29,730 --> 01:37:35,400 in your LP invoice generations and look up processes through 1564 01:37:35,400 --> 01:37:39,120 nip 57. That's a that's called a DDoS attack. 1565 01:37:39,420 --> 01:37:42,120 Adam Curry: Thank you. That's exactly that's exactly what it 1566 01:37:42,120 --> 01:37:47,520 would be. Yeah, it's just not both ends. By the way. You'd be 1567 01:37:47,520 --> 01:37:48,750 dossing your own app, 1568 01:37:49,500 --> 01:37:52,470 Dave Jones: your is too much overhead. You can't you can't do 1569 01:37:52,470 --> 01:37:57,300 that. And the nature of the streaming payments is is 1570 01:37:57,300 --> 01:38:01,440 critical booster great booster grams are awesome. But the 1571 01:38:01,440 --> 01:38:05,490 streaming per minute payments, that's where the lifeblood of 1572 01:38:05,490 --> 01:38:08,580 the future lightening value for value economy comes from, 1573 01:38:09,180 --> 01:38:13,920 because that is how people I forget to boost it. And I'm 1574 01:38:13,920 --> 01:38:17,700 listening to the show. But I always know that that 100 SATs 1575 01:38:17,700 --> 01:38:20,310 minute that I selected, that's always going to be ping, ping, 1576 01:38:20,310 --> 01:38:22,950 ping, ping ping, right. And I don't have to, I don't have to 1577 01:38:22,950 --> 01:38:27,120 remember in people, once a minute you the podcasters 1578 01:38:27,120 --> 01:38:30,420 looking at their dashboard is Ping, ping ping to get income 1579 01:38:30,420 --> 01:38:31,830 coming in. And then also it's 1580 01:38:32,940 --> 01:38:38,130 Adam Curry: okay, that's a good point. People who who want to 1581 01:38:38,160 --> 01:38:42,060 integrate and this arrowhead is not going to stop who thinks 1582 01:38:42,060 --> 01:38:45,390 zapping is important, that's great. But your your fucking 1583 01:38:45,390 --> 01:38:48,750 everybody else because you can't do splits. You're not going to 1584 01:38:48,750 --> 01:38:51,420 do that no one's going to be zapping nine different times and 1585 01:38:51,420 --> 01:38:55,020 nine different values. So you're circumventing the whole process. 1586 01:38:55,740 --> 01:39:01,200 And I would I would also encourage other apps and 1587 01:39:01,200 --> 01:39:04,860 services to consider that you're really undermining it. 1588 01:39:05,820 --> 01:39:07,710 Dave Jones: You're podcasting is not social media. They're 1589 01:39:07,710 --> 01:39:08,370 correct. 1590 01:39:08,520 --> 01:39:12,060 Adam Curry: And I love zapping as as a replacement for like I 1591 01:39:12,060 --> 01:39:16,170 think that's a great idea. It's fantastic to I mean, and that's 1592 01:39:16,170 --> 01:39:20,580 where it's appropriate. Makes a lot of and I liked it that it's 1593 01:39:20,580 --> 01:39:24,810 getting people into the into the habit of returning some value 1594 01:39:24,810 --> 01:39:28,650 for something I like that a lot. I really do. But stay in your 1595 01:39:28,650 --> 01:39:31,860 lane, because it's an it's not a we put a lot of work into the 1596 01:39:31,860 --> 01:39:35,460 whole infrastructure. And you know, when I hear the get Alby 1597 01:39:35,460 --> 01:39:38,460 and everyone wants to do this, I think they're riding a train and 1598 01:39:38,460 --> 01:39:40,740 they're screwing themselves and other people with it. 1599 01:39:42,360 --> 01:39:48,870 Dave Jones: I agree to and I think that I fully understand 1600 01:39:48,870 --> 01:39:55,380 what you're saying. I think you're right. The zapping is a 1601 01:39:55,380 --> 01:39:59,970 great mechanic for returning value for a value for value ecos 1602 01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:04,410 system in general, it makes sense. The way that the way that 1603 01:40:04,410 --> 01:40:07,740 noster it the social media aspect of nostrils designed the 1604 01:40:07,740 --> 01:40:11,940 zapping makes sense. That's Yes, podcasting. They're not the 1605 01:40:11,940 --> 01:40:14,760 same. keep them separate. This just doesn't make sense for 1606 01:40:14,760 --> 01:40:18,450 podcasting. We've, we've, we've been through this we've done 1607 01:40:18,480 --> 01:40:21,900 this is where two and a half years into this noster is brand 1608 01:40:21,900 --> 01:40:24,300 new. This is not the same thing. 1609 01:40:25,200 --> 01:40:27,930 Adam Curry: Yeah, and the main thing, and this is what I want 1610 01:40:27,930 --> 01:40:34,320 to say to our head who's saying no, it's the same as a boost. 1611 01:40:34,350 --> 01:40:40,470 No, it's not. Because we have a split flow is not the same as a 1612 01:40:40,470 --> 01:40:46,560 boost. I'm just I, you know, as a wallet provider get Alby makes 1613 01:40:46,560 --> 01:40:48,750 total sense. They can do whatever they want, you know, 1614 01:40:48,780 --> 01:40:54,900 they want to do Aaron, what is the what is the API payment 1615 01:40:54,900 --> 01:41:01,110 thing? Was LSAT? Yeah, they there'll be many applications 1616 01:41:01,110 --> 01:41:06,870 for LSAT. Absolutely. Fountain, questionable. So I'm just saying 1617 01:41:06,900 --> 01:41:11,340 if you want to break the system by by having people circumvent 1618 01:41:11,340 --> 01:41:15,810 the splits. Have at it, but you're going to lose out in the 1619 01:41:15,810 --> 01:41:17,220 long run in the long run. 1620 01:41:18,540 --> 01:41:22,470 Dave Jones: I think there's a general issue here where this 1621 01:41:22,470 --> 01:41:26,040 has always been the word and I just want to be, I want to step 1622 01:41:26,040 --> 01:41:28,470 back and be gracious to everybody for a minute. I think 1623 01:41:28,470 --> 01:41:36,570 there is a a, there's always been within this project. There 1624 01:41:36,570 --> 01:41:40,950 have been Bitcoiners coming to podcasting and podcasting coming 1625 01:41:40,950 --> 01:41:45,390 to Bitcoin. Yeah. And so the those there's a natural sort of 1626 01:41:45,390 --> 01:41:52,500 missing a natural, a natural, like a Venn diagram. And they 1627 01:41:52,500 --> 01:41:54,450 overlap in the middle, but there's a lot of places they 1628 01:41:54,450 --> 01:41:58,200 don't. So there's there's going to be a natural tendency for one 1629 01:41:58,200 --> 01:42:00,570 side to do things one way the other side to do things the 1630 01:42:00,570 --> 01:42:06,180 other way. And in podcasting 2.0 We have to make we have to be in 1631 01:42:06,180 --> 01:42:09,450 the middle of that of that Venn diagram and make those things 1632 01:42:09,510 --> 01:42:13,020 mesh. Yeah, because the Bitcoin people are gonna see things one 1633 01:42:13,020 --> 01:42:14,940 way and be like, Yeah, let's do that. To me, this is the 1634 01:42:14,940 --> 01:42:21,390 fundamental mistake of of, of forcing alien URL. Elon, you RLP 1635 01:42:21,390 --> 01:42:25,440 down and down podcasting, throat, it's not gonna work 1636 01:42:25,440 --> 01:42:27,810 we've already thought this through. So just 1637 01:42:28,230 --> 01:42:31,890 Adam Curry: just know that we have looked at we have looked at 1638 01:42:31,890 --> 01:42:34,200 it is not necessarily going to be a great idea. 1639 01:42:34,830 --> 01:42:38,430 Dave Jones: Yeah, and podcasters also have ideas that don't fit 1640 01:42:39,060 --> 01:42:42,150 within the other side. So we have to mediate that as well. So 1641 01:42:42,180 --> 01:42:45,840 yeah, I think I think there's just a bit especially the bit 1642 01:42:45,990 --> 01:42:49,980 the Bitcoin people, because there's money involved. And what 1643 01:42:49,980 --> 01:42:52,080 you see it with these bounties and that kind of thing, that 1644 01:42:52,080 --> 01:42:56,610 they, they just want to run off and do something and it's like 1645 01:42:56,610 --> 01:42:59,670 you guys, you mean you can't, she's not the way it works. And 1646 01:42:59,670 --> 01:43:03,090 you got to slow down and get some consensus here. And think 1647 01:43:03,090 --> 01:43:06,990 about, think about the the industry and the audience that 1648 01:43:06,990 --> 01:43:09,450 you're trying to address with the technology that you're 1649 01:43:09,450 --> 01:43:12,930 making. If you're, if you're trying to address problems 1650 01:43:12,930 --> 01:43:17,250 within podcasting, or music, or other types of things, you need 1651 01:43:17,250 --> 01:43:20,970 to understand that industry fully before you dive in and 1652 01:43:20,970 --> 01:43:24,240 start building something and trying to propose a standard 1653 01:43:24,510 --> 01:43:27,090 standards aren't bad, but you have to at least understand what 1654 01:43:27,090 --> 01:43:28,740 the audience needs before you make it. 1655 01:43:28,830 --> 01:43:33,150 Adam Curry: I guess now, I know how Marco feels. Right? Because 1656 01:43:33,150 --> 01:43:36,030 I really felt like people were bullying. You know, it's like, 1657 01:43:36,060 --> 01:43:42,420 Nah, man, this is the way to go. This is the way it is right now. 1658 01:43:42,420 --> 01:43:43,500 I don't think so. 1659 01:43:44,640 --> 01:43:46,740 Dave Jones: Anyway, you know, I know some people did that to 1660 01:43:46,740 --> 01:43:49,800 Marco that I you know, we we told the people early on to 1661 01:43:49,800 --> 01:43:55,080 chill out and stop being that way. You know, I don't think I 1662 01:43:55,080 --> 01:43:57,960 think his problems over those people not not with yes, no, 1663 01:43:57,990 --> 01:43:59,340 Adam Curry: no, no, no, I know that. I know. 1664 01:44:01,260 --> 01:44:03,690 Dave Jones: He made he made a comment about standards. And you 1665 01:44:03,690 --> 01:44:04,110 know, we 1666 01:44:05,400 --> 01:44:06,900 Adam Curry: do we have a standard there's lots of 1667 01:44:07,080 --> 01:44:07,500 there's, 1668 01:44:08,070 --> 01:44:09,960 Dave Jones: I think those are gonna be the other thing I said 1669 01:44:09,960 --> 01:44:15,030 we we we briefly entertained calling things standards and 1670 01:44:15,030 --> 01:44:15,300 made 1671 01:44:15,330 --> 01:44:18,330 Adam Curry: by requests from from hosting companies, by the 1672 01:44:18,330 --> 01:44:21,660 way, it was a request to do that. And I think we even tried 1673 01:44:21,660 --> 01:44:24,150 to I certainly tried to pick that up and it just died on the 1674 01:44:24,150 --> 01:44:27,060 vine. And And honestly, I'm happy. 1675 01:44:28,890 --> 01:44:31,440 Dave Jones: Their specs, these are these justifications and you 1676 01:44:31,440 --> 01:44:34,380 can either do them or not, you don't nobody's forcing anybody 1677 01:44:34,380 --> 01:44:35,130 to do anything. 1678 01:44:35,220 --> 01:44:38,070 Adam Curry: Yeah, exactly. You're all podcasting. 2.0 It's 1679 01:44:38,070 --> 01:44:41,880 just more podcasting is not breaking anything. It's not 1680 01:44:41,880 --> 01:44:44,910 changing anything. It's not making a new standard. And we're 1681 01:44:44,910 --> 01:44:47,370 gonna we have some interesting meeting scheduled with people 1682 01:44:47,370 --> 01:44:50,280 who are kind of into that I'm not sure I would even be for 1683 01:44:50,280 --> 01:44:53,760 calling it a standard or W three C. You know, I love the way 1684 01:44:53,790 --> 01:44:58,140 everything works. Now. We're the boss, and everyone else can 1685 01:44:58,140 --> 01:45:06,840 pounce like that. I like that system I mean it's so far it's 1686 01:45:06,840 --> 01:45:09,540 worked out really well it's been a very open process and it's 1687 01:45:09,540 --> 01:45:12,870 been fantastic you know and the minute you bring you know like 1688 01:45:12,900 --> 01:45:15,810 official structure into it I was like oh that's gonna ruin it 1689 01:45:17,640 --> 01:45:22,680 Dave Jones: you can Yeah, that's right. Oh airhead says landing 1690 01:45:22,680 --> 01:45:25,770 addresses are no longer only Elon URL that's right because 1691 01:45:26,520 --> 01:45:31,380 because we booked that system initially to get key sand in 1692 01:45:31,380 --> 01:45:33,840 there as well so that's right I said I mean this this stuff has 1693 01:45:33,840 --> 01:45:34,620 been thought through 1694 01:45:35,340 --> 01:45:39,000 Adam Curry: Yeah. Anyway, let's take a few people as we move 1695 01:45:39,000 --> 01:45:47,850 towards a buck 45 here okay, we got the SIR Spencer stuff we got 1696 01:45:49,560 --> 01:45:55,440 blueberry 17,776 Big freedom boost sending boost pilling 1697 01:45:55,440 --> 01:45:59,040 karma. Tonight I will attempt giving comedian Sam Tripoli the 1698 01:45:59,070 --> 01:46:02,640 PC 2.0 equivalent of telling someone that 911 hijackers were 1699 01:46:02,640 --> 01:46:04,980 identified by the passports found at the base of the Twin 1700 01:46:04,980 --> 01:46:12,300 Towers. Okay, sounds great. Oh, and there's Phoenix. The better 1701 01:46:12,300 --> 01:46:17,400 half of a phone boy. Also 6969 SAS Thank you pod father for all 1702 01:46:17,400 --> 01:46:20,040 you're doing lady Phoenix and Lord phone boy the Lowe's 1703 01:46:20,040 --> 01:46:24,240 effect. Come for the shenanigans stay for the party. We really 1704 01:46:24,240 --> 01:46:29,400 appreciate you guys letting us bust in here. Eric P. P 33,333. 1705 01:46:29,400 --> 01:46:34,350 About an hour ago Dred Scott 5555 says Adam was really having 1706 01:46:34,350 --> 01:46:36,390 fun yesterday was great to witness. It was great to have 1707 01:46:36,390 --> 01:46:39,780 you all there as well. Dred Scott also, the only guy I'll 1708 01:46:39,780 --> 01:46:43,560 check it again, but the only guy ever to use the tally coin 1709 01:46:43,590 --> 01:46:47,340 unchained payment system that we have so proudly displayed by 1710 01:46:47,340 --> 01:46:59,130 request. He did send us let's see. Holy crap. drab. I see 1711 01:46:59,130 --> 01:46:59,700 nuts. 1712 01:47:00,330 --> 01:47:02,460 Dave Jones: When did he fall in the keyboard? 1713 01:47:02,490 --> 01:47:05,640 Adam Curry: 224,035. saps 1714 01:47:07,500 --> 01:47:11,280 Unknown: sock 20 is blades only Impala 1715 01:47:11,610 --> 01:47:13,560 Adam Curry: shouldn't add to the tally coin yesterday. 1716 01:47:14,280 --> 01:47:15,480 Dave Jones: JB you do too much. 1717 01:47:15,570 --> 01:47:18,090 Adam Curry: I really do much. And we give him we only give him 1718 01:47:18,090 --> 01:47:22,350 like a 5% cut on the split for chapters. Well, I do give it on 1719 01:47:22,350 --> 01:47:25,920 every single podcast I do. So maybe he's able to recycle some 1720 01:47:25,920 --> 01:47:33,330 of it. And let's see, chat F 3333. Hey, I only requested Ride 1721 01:47:33,330 --> 01:47:35,400 the Lightning after someone requested milkshake. Yeah, 1722 01:47:35,400 --> 01:47:38,610 that's right. That was for you a special milkshake. Milkshake. So 1723 01:47:40,440 --> 01:47:47,310 yes, chat F No. 3333 A Chris, you know 9013 You can't just go 1724 01:47:47,310 --> 01:47:51,000 out there do pole work whenever you want. You first have to call 1725 01:47:51,000 --> 01:47:55,830 up and put in a poll request. Yeah. Dred Scott boosting Dave's 1726 01:47:55,830 --> 01:48:00,690 poll works 5555 your poll work was outstanding. I've been told 1727 01:48:00,810 --> 01:48:06,120 and there's dread with a pre boost 55,555 or dread. 1728 01:48:07,110 --> 01:48:09,600 Dave Jones: I'm gonna start sending this back. Yeah. Yeah, 1729 01:48:09,690 --> 01:48:12,330 Adam Curry: yeah, we got your and that's another beautiful 1730 01:48:12,330 --> 01:48:14,610 thing. We don't need any permission to send him money. 1731 01:48:15,180 --> 01:48:17,160 Dave Jones: That's right. And he didn't even stop us. That's the 1732 01:48:17,160 --> 01:48:18,300 beautiful thing about Kison 1733 01:48:19,110 --> 01:48:21,510 Adam Curry: lyceum. Which of course is Martin Linda's Coke, a 1734 01:48:21,510 --> 01:48:25,560 replay of yesterday's Liberty boost regarding and those 2112 1735 01:48:25,770 --> 01:48:28,980 Regarding the song 55 million Frenchmen. And Benjamin 1736 01:48:28,980 --> 01:48:32,340 Bellinis. Post music tip. This is always so cryptic, happy 1737 01:48:32,340 --> 01:48:37,170 music. radio.com. Okay, thank you very much, Martin. Let's see 1738 01:48:37,170 --> 01:48:43,560 what else do I have? I think I think that's all it is. I know, 1739 01:48:43,560 --> 01:48:47,220 you'll of course have all of the all of the booths from 1740 01:48:47,220 --> 01:48:51,000 yesterday, I think I think pretty much everybody so we can 1741 01:48:51,000 --> 01:48:53,850 run through them pretty quick, because a lot of requests there. 1742 01:48:53,850 --> 01:48:54,300 So 1743 01:48:54,810 --> 01:48:57,390 Dave Jones: I grabbed the boosts. I didn't try to get the 1744 01:48:57,390 --> 01:49:00,300 boost from today or anything. I'm just gonna stick and read 1745 01:49:00,300 --> 01:49:03,000 the boost that I had prepared for Friday's show. Yeah, that's 1746 01:49:03,000 --> 01:49:05,550 probably good. Because I got everybody else. Yeah. And then 1747 01:49:05,550 --> 01:49:09,930 we'll sort it out later. Yeah. Well, we had a we had $200 from 1748 01:49:10,020 --> 01:49:11,910 Oscar Mary over fountain. Oh, 1749 01:49:12,780 --> 01:49:18,450 Unknown: wow. 20 is Blake on am Paula thank you, Oscar. 1750 01:49:19,080 --> 01:49:21,900 Dave Jones: Very kind enough always to support us monthly. 1751 01:49:22,500 --> 01:49:27,300 Appreciate Oscar. Thank you, brother. And we got some booster 1752 01:49:27,300 --> 01:49:31,110 grants. We got 22 to 22 big road ducks from Todd in Northern 1753 01:49:31,110 --> 01:49:34,920 Virginia. Just boosting it to eggs can't stop won't stop 1754 01:49:38,280 --> 01:49:39,720 Adam Curry: don't stop don't stop 1755 01:49:41,670 --> 01:49:43,320 Dave Jones: don't let anybody make you stop. Don't 1756 01:49:43,320 --> 01:49:43,920 Adam Curry: ever ever, 1757 01:49:44,370 --> 01:49:47,940 Dave Jones: ever mere mortals podcast. 2222 Road ducks he says 1758 01:49:47,940 --> 01:49:51,420 no secrets between board members spilled Buzzsprout beans Dave 1759 01:49:51,630 --> 01:49:52,890 Buzzsprout being Buzzsprout 1760 01:49:52,890 --> 01:49:56,220 Adam Curry: beans. That's about boost boost boost. 1761 01:49:57,030 --> 01:49:58,740 Dave Jones: I didn't know I had bus route beans 1762 01:49:58,950 --> 01:50:00,960 Adam Curry: must have must be something You alluded to 1763 01:50:00,960 --> 01:50:01,470 somewhere 1764 01:50:04,410 --> 01:50:06,180 Dave Jones: okay, I don't even remember I'm sorry. I don't 1765 01:50:06,180 --> 01:50:10,770 remember. more memorable character back again 5555 1766 01:50:10,770 --> 01:50:14,010 through found and he says, Congrats on getting to your 1767 01:50:14,010 --> 01:50:17,190 first Bitcoin meetup. Dave, Texas slim will be at the one 1768 01:50:17,190 --> 01:50:20,970 here in Brisbane next week. I'm super pumped on my birthday as 1769 01:50:20,970 --> 01:50:24,120 well. Oh, cool. I'm going to Brisbane, 1770 01:50:24,540 --> 01:50:28,140 Adam Curry: Brisbane, Brisbane, Brisbane, Brisbane, Brisbane, 1771 01:50:28,770 --> 01:50:36,840 Dave Jones: Brisbane, this was it. Yeah. Whoosh. 12498 the 1772 01:50:36,840 --> 01:50:40,320 fountain nappy says bye podcasting. 2.0x go podcasting 1773 01:50:40,320 --> 01:50:42,270 just keep it at the suggested speed. 1774 01:50:43,560 --> 01:50:45,450 Adam Curry: Yeah, we will go podcast 1775 01:50:49,590 --> 01:50:51,570 Dave Jones: close to Texas slim going all the way down to 1776 01:50:51,570 --> 01:50:52,200 Australia for 1777 01:50:52,230 --> 01:50:54,750 Adam Curry: he's doing beef initiative down under. He's 1778 01:50:54,780 --> 01:50:57,630 doing the same. He's been really getting a lot of attention. 1779 01:50:58,530 --> 01:51:00,690 Dave Jones: And he's preaching the gospel. Like to the far 1780 01:51:00,690 --> 01:51:01,980 flung reaches of the Earth. It was a 1781 01:51:01,980 --> 01:51:05,100 Adam Curry: pretty cool article about him and ABC, which is 1782 01:51:05,100 --> 01:51:08,700 Australian Broadcasting Corporation, M M, five M. And 1783 01:51:08,850 --> 01:51:13,170 they said, A man who's who's who goes by Texas limb. And we asked 1784 01:51:13,170 --> 01:51:15,780 him for his full name. He said that's all you need to know tax 1785 01:51:15,780 --> 01:51:22,410 asleep. Like you don't need to know I'm Texas slavers. My Mama 1786 01:51:22,440 --> 01:51:24,420 knows me by Texas. flim that's enough. 1787 01:51:26,700 --> 01:51:28,110 Dave Jones: Takes us asleep. But it 1788 01:51:28,110 --> 01:51:29,880 Adam Curry: was interesting to see because you know, of course 1789 01:51:29,940 --> 01:51:32,970 there was Bitcoiners there and you know, like a typical beef 1790 01:51:32,970 --> 01:51:35,850 initiative meetup and talking about purchasing, you know, the 1791 01:51:35,850 --> 01:51:40,050 beef with Bitcoin and what the Australian media but glommed on 1792 01:51:40,050 --> 01:51:43,470 to is, you know, this undertone up feels a lot like the 1793 01:51:43,470 --> 01:51:50,130 sovereign man movement, like no, no, no, no, no, I did have to do 1794 01:51:50,130 --> 01:51:51,000 something negative. 1795 01:51:51,030 --> 01:51:56,310 Dave Jones: They always do that. Yeah. Clark in 25,001 SATs 1796 01:51:56,310 --> 01:52:00,090 through fountain switching from Fiat cookbooks to boosting every 1797 01:52:00,090 --> 01:52:03,210 episode up the good work and see it the next meetup Dave, that's 1798 01:52:03,210 --> 01:52:03,600 my buddy. 1799 01:52:03,630 --> 01:52:07,530 Adam Curry: Oh, nice. He was at the Bitcoin meetup 1800 01:52:08,130 --> 01:52:10,830 Dave Jones: that we wrote together that's powered Oh nice. 1801 01:52:11,190 --> 01:52:16,500 Adam Curry: You take the flatbed you don't drive that outside 1802 01:52:16,500 --> 01:52:18,300 you're 15 minutes city is that the 1803 01:52:21,390 --> 01:52:25,110 Dave Jones: Yeah, nothing in Birmingham is 15 That's not even 1804 01:52:25,140 --> 01:52:30,090 you can't even do 15 minutes in so I went from contracts 1805 01:52:30,150 --> 01:52:34,230 13579 13 festivity now through pod versus finally time again to 1806 01:52:34,230 --> 01:52:37,110 listen to the podcast and boost alright, we agree on the 1807 01:52:37,110 --> 01:52:40,380 listening speed it somehow feels wrong to listen faster than 1x 1808 01:52:40,380 --> 01:52:47,760 and cut pauses boost believer Thank you 16 969 From Hey 1809 01:52:47,760 --> 01:52:51,360 citizen through pod verse. He says another great show fellas 1810 01:52:51,480 --> 01:52:53,640 when I grow up I want to be just like you too. 1811 01:52:53,789 --> 01:52:57,269 Adam Curry: Oh, oh how you doing booster just like us. 1812 01:52:57,749 --> 01:53:02,009 Dave Jones: So sweet. Mere Mortals podcast to 2222 from 1813 01:53:02,009 --> 01:53:05,879 found through fountain he says Bitcoin meetup update takes a 1814 01:53:05,879 --> 01:53:09,479 slam is awesome. And I need to analyze some of my food choices. 1815 01:53:09,569 --> 01:53:16,289 Also bitcoin is awesome. Go Bitcoin ing. We so I see. We had 1816 01:53:16,289 --> 01:53:19,139 to lead up to the meetup. Yeah. And then the 1817 01:53:19,140 --> 01:53:21,300 Adam Curry: actual meetup themselves. I think Slim is now 1818 01:53:21,300 --> 01:53:22,980 on his way to Thailand. 1819 01:53:24,240 --> 01:53:26,820 Dave Jones: Wow. Yeah, this world tour. Well, he 1820 01:53:26,850 --> 01:53:30,150 Adam Curry: he was he intended to retire to Thailand before he 1821 01:53:30,180 --> 01:53:32,790 kind of came out of retirement to do this beef initiative. 1822 01:53:32,910 --> 01:53:35,550 Because Thailand is interesting. I'm not talking Bangkok. 1823 01:53:35,940 --> 01:53:40,140 Although that is that is fun for some things. But more like Shang 1824 01:53:40,140 --> 01:53:44,220 Mei Xiang. I've been to Thailand in a documentary. They're really 1825 01:53:44,220 --> 01:53:48,600 nice, really nice people. A very just sweet population very 1826 01:53:48,600 --> 01:53:53,040 giving very open. They love their royal family, you know, so 1827 01:53:53,040 --> 01:53:58,050 they're, they're very, they're nationalists. Food is fantastic. 1828 01:54:00,420 --> 01:54:06,240 It's cheap, cheap to live there. It's, I understand you, the Thai 1829 01:54:06,240 --> 01:54:07,830 culture is really wonderful. 1830 01:54:08,640 --> 01:54:11,460 Dave Jones: I've got a friend of a friend who lived in Thailand 1831 01:54:11,580 --> 01:54:16,320 as a teacher for gosh, seven or eight years. And every time he 1832 01:54:16,320 --> 01:54:19,860 came back to the US, he was like, Oh, my God, things are so 1833 01:54:19,860 --> 01:54:24,000 expensive here. He said it was very cheap there. Lady said you 1834 01:54:24,000 --> 01:54:28,950 could you could have a big meal with five of your buddies Jen. 1835 01:54:29,490 --> 01:54:32,910 You know, it would cost you as much as like a meal for two here 1836 01:54:33,030 --> 01:54:35,640 Adam Curry: unless you go to the no hands restaurant in Bangkok, 1837 01:54:35,640 --> 01:54:40,440 which is a whole nother story. Okay, you know what, you know 1838 01:54:40,440 --> 01:54:44,940 what the no hands restaurant is so so so the food is in a table 1839 01:54:44,940 --> 01:54:50,040 is kind of like it's a round table. And there's to bench 1840 01:54:50,040 --> 01:54:53,430 seats comfortable, you know, pillows and everything. So you 1841 01:54:53,430 --> 01:54:59,340 and your friends sit near the food and behind you will be your 1842 01:54:59,340 --> 01:55:03,930 servant. Who then who then will get your food prepared and feed 1843 01:55:03,930 --> 01:55:04,530 it to you? 1844 01:55:05,730 --> 01:55:06,540 Dave Jones: Whoa, 1845 01:55:06,570 --> 01:55:14,190 Adam Curry: typically naked. Oh, it's that kind of it was a long 1846 01:55:14,190 --> 01:55:17,910 time ago. But it was a documentary. Funny enough 1847 01:55:18,269 --> 01:55:20,459 Dave Jones: is it sounds like a plot of a movie is what it 1848 01:55:20,459 --> 01:55:21,269 sounds like. Yeah, 1849 01:55:21,300 --> 01:55:23,790 Adam Curry: yeah, that's when you know well if you remember 1850 01:55:23,910 --> 01:55:27,360 faces of death they actually don't remember that the monkey 1851 01:55:27,360 --> 01:55:29,550 head sticking out and they chop the head off and they ate the 1852 01:55:29,550 --> 01:55:31,470 brains from the live monkey remember that? 1853 01:55:31,829 --> 01:55:35,969 Dave Jones: Yeah, yeah, that was VHS tape. 1854 01:55:37,500 --> 01:55:40,650 Adam Curry: 15/50 generation VHS tape. Exactly. 1855 01:55:43,320 --> 01:55:45,750 Dave Jones: I was convinced that was real. Like this is all real 1856 01:55:45,750 --> 01:55:52,530 man. This was great Yale, our buddy yell from Vienna. sent us 1857 01:55:52,560 --> 01:55:55,560 155,555 sets 1858 01:55:57,420 --> 01:56:01,890 Unknown: Sakala Dias Blaze on am Paula. Thank you. Thank you. 1859 01:56:02,490 --> 01:56:04,380 Dave Jones: He says hey, gents, thank you for your courage from 1860 01:56:04,380 --> 01:56:08,370 Vienna but disgusting native ad with Austrian finance journaux 1861 01:56:08,700 --> 01:56:13,230 Nico jilts. We've got a new 2.0 enabled podcast using substack 1862 01:56:13,380 --> 01:56:17,760 fix the money.net with interviews, prophecy tutorials, 1863 01:56:18,000 --> 01:56:20,760 and commentary from the Bitcoin lobbying world. Thank you both 1864 01:56:20,760 --> 01:56:23,670 for your encouragement and patience in GitHub and Mastodon 1865 01:56:23,760 --> 01:56:31,350 mercy and Dunker Nice. Thank you yo, appreciate it. 6969 from a 1866 01:56:31,350 --> 01:56:35,130 citizen to pod verse he says. Do you think sites like no agenda 1867 01:56:35,130 --> 01:56:38,430 social.com will have a way to receive boost the way Podcasts 1868 01:56:38,430 --> 01:56:38,790 can. 1869 01:56:39,480 --> 01:56:41,610 Adam Curry: I don't see why. Well how about zaps? 1870 01:56:42,120 --> 01:56:47,100 Dave Jones: daps Yeah, yeah, that's That's great. There 1871 01:56:47,100 --> 01:56:51,120 again. That's that's the thing zaps find for social media. It's 1872 01:56:51,120 --> 01:56:55,830 slow motion. It's it's fine. Yeah. Not good for podcasts. No. 1873 01:56:55,920 --> 01:57:00,060 Yes. Don't don't put boosts into your into your social. Don't put 1874 01:57:00,060 --> 01:57:03,990 yourselves into podcasting. Matthew says 1875 01:57:04,440 --> 01:57:06,750 Adam Curry: I'm with you all add my two cents right to it. 1876 01:57:07,860 --> 01:57:11,520 Dave Jones: Another another 6969 from Hey, citizens, he says a 1877 01:57:11,550 --> 01:57:15,150 feature request for the podcast apps, streaming sets using the 1878 01:57:15,150 --> 01:57:17,940 DeVore act multiplier. You listen at one and a half speed 1879 01:57:17,940 --> 01:57:18,870 you stream one and a half. 1880 01:57:21,570 --> 01:57:24,930 Adam Curry: I agree with that. I think that's the way to go. This 1881 01:57:24,930 --> 01:57:27,360 is a great idea. Now you're cooking. 1882 01:57:27,840 --> 01:57:30,600 Dave Jones: Yeah, you pay for it. Yeah, boy logs and it's 1883 01:57:30,600 --> 01:57:33,750 100,000 SAS through pod verse. He says thanks for all your hard 1884 01:57:33,750 --> 01:57:36,780 work. I'm showing my partner how V for V works by sending this 1885 01:57:36,780 --> 01:57:39,540 one now. Thank you. Oh, cool. 100,000 sets. 1886 01:57:39,570 --> 01:57:42,390 Adam Curry: Wow, you know what you get for that? Bolo. 1887 01:57:42,420 --> 01:57:46,260 Unknown: Sakala 20 is Blaze on I am Paula 1888 01:57:47,760 --> 01:57:54,660 Dave Jones: Ameet to SC 32,023 cents Palindrome there 3202335 1889 01:57:54,660 --> 01:57:59,220 vs. Podcasting live from floss conference in Tel Aviv. A P dot 1890 01:58:00,420 --> 01:58:04,800 C A P dot a hammock or H A. Okay, I'm gonna have to read 1891 01:58:04,800 --> 01:58:11,160 this as a website. A P dot h amakor.org. dot i l go 1892 01:58:11,160 --> 01:58:11,790 podcasting. 1893 01:58:12,270 --> 01:58:13,770 Adam Curry: Okay, go podcast. 1894 01:58:15,930 --> 01:58:21,660 Dave Jones: Thank you. Todd Cochran. 150,420 sets 1895 01:58:23,490 --> 01:58:27,600 Unknown: off 20 is Blaze ohm am Paula. 1896 01:58:27,900 --> 01:58:31,440 Dave Jones: He's you're showing off now. 50% of what was said on 1897 01:58:31,440 --> 01:58:35,970 the last show was seriously deer in the headlights discuss. What 1898 01:58:35,970 --> 01:58:36,600 did we say? 1899 01:58:36,630 --> 01:58:43,170 Adam Curry: I don't know all about about I don't know. That 1900 01:58:43,170 --> 01:58:44,430 all he said is not only wrote 1901 01:58:45,600 --> 01:58:47,700 Dave Jones: now he says growth in podcasting is flat as a 1902 01:58:47,700 --> 01:58:51,090 pancake. And based on calls. I've been having podcasting 1903 01:58:51,090 --> 01:58:54,150 companies are in trouble. That said best time ever to be a 1904 01:58:54,150 --> 01:58:56,970 podcaster as audience numbers are growing amongst fewer shows, 1905 01:58:56,970 --> 01:58:58,020 but go podcasting? 1906 01:58:58,049 --> 01:59:03,209 Adam Curry: Yeah, I'm with you on that. Okay, when he says mean 1907 01:59:03,209 --> 01:59:05,309 when he says flat? I mean, that's the growth of the 1908 01:59:05,309 --> 01:59:06,479 companies I guess. 1909 01:59:07,049 --> 01:59:11,489 Dave Jones: I guess. I don't know. Maybe he just means the 1910 01:59:11,489 --> 01:59:15,089 number of the number of new shows outside of the free. 1911 01:59:16,110 --> 01:59:19,470 Adam Curry: Yeah, yeah, that's a bit yeah. New customers for 1912 01:59:19,470 --> 01:59:23,610 podcast hosts. Yeah, yeah. I mean, you're gonna have churn. 1913 01:59:23,610 --> 01:59:26,700 You're gonna have people leaving you need to get new people in. I 1914 01:59:26,700 --> 01:59:28,920 don't know. I always hear Buzzsprout always has another 1915 01:59:28,920 --> 01:59:30,420 5000 people every week. 1916 01:59:31,560 --> 01:59:38,340 Dave Jones: Yeah, it must. It must be. If it's like yeah, I 1917 01:59:38,340 --> 01:59:41,190 guess they're tied together. I mean, you're it's a beautiful 1918 01:59:41,190 --> 01:59:43,920 thing. Because you're, there's that direct your customer, 1919 01:59:43,920 --> 01:59:45,540 you're the growth of your company is the growth of your 1920 01:59:45,540 --> 01:59:49,230 customer. There's funny money in between. Exactly. It's a very 1921 01:59:49,230 --> 01:59:52,620 natural thing. Thank you, Todd. Appreciate it. I don't even 1922 01:59:52,620 --> 01:59:54,720 remember what we said at the beginning of this show, much 1923 01:59:54,720 --> 01:59:55,380 less last year. 1924 01:59:56,039 --> 01:59:59,009 Adam Curry: We talked about our own lives of ourselves as usual 1925 01:59:59,039 --> 02:00:00,989 as you do on a podcast. Let's talk about herself. 1926 02:00:01,950 --> 02:00:05,430 Dave Jones: lyceum. 1776 He says Adam and Dave, I listened to 1927 02:00:05,430 --> 02:00:09,870 Sophie Tucker singing 50 million Frenchmen can't be wrong. After 1928 02:00:09,870 --> 02:00:11,760 reading Benjamin Bellamy's blog, yeah, 1929 02:00:11,790 --> 02:00:13,950 Adam Curry: like I just read that one. I think a religious 1930 02:00:13,950 --> 02:00:15,810 one we had Yeah, we had that one. 1931 02:00:17,910 --> 02:00:19,770 Dave Jones: Okay, yep. All right, we got it. Well, 1932 02:00:20,340 --> 02:00:21,210 chemistry bloggers. 1933 02:00:22,710 --> 02:00:24,810 Adam Curry: I was gonna say I was waiting for him. Where is 1934 02:00:24,810 --> 02:00:25,020 he? 1935 02:00:26,490 --> 02:00:30,720 Dave Jones: Dignified, Dave and abiding Adam. Building a medium 1936 02:00:30,720 --> 02:00:33,780 that provides the environment for humanity to coalesce around 1937 02:00:33,780 --> 02:00:37,920 since making broadcasters is no easy feat if you ever want to 1938 02:00:37,920 --> 02:00:41,790 take a load off, after all that digital heavy lifting, kick back 1939 02:00:41,910 --> 02:00:45,270 with the AI doc cooking podcast, inspired by the best 1940 02:00:45,600 --> 02:00:49,800 infotainment purveyors in the realm and hosted by Kentish rock 1941 02:00:49,800 --> 02:00:53,880 and Rolla, Gregory Forman, who always keeps it three by four, 1942 02:00:53,970 --> 02:00:55,950 yo CSB whoosh 1943 02:00:55,980 --> 02:00:59,490 Adam Curry: moves. Thank you CSB. He's always there, man. You 1944 02:00:59,490 --> 02:01:01,200 can count on him. He's very consistent. 1945 02:01:01,770 --> 02:01:03,630 Dave Jones: They're getting more and more complex every time 1946 02:01:03,660 --> 02:01:05,940 Adam Curry: now. It's okay. We'll take it we appreciate we 1947 02:01:06,090 --> 02:01:08,970 we appreciate everyone who has been boosting us now you have 1948 02:01:08,970 --> 02:01:11,910 some monthlies before we close out the segment. Yeah. 1949 02:01:12,780 --> 02:01:16,380 Dave Jones: I've got I've got a Michael Kimmerer and $5.33 I've 1950 02:01:16,380 --> 02:01:21,510 got a drip Scott at $15 The Unstoppable drip Scott Lesley 1951 02:01:21,510 --> 02:01:26,970 Martin it $2 Christopher Raymer $10 Aaron Renaud $5 Pedro gun 1952 02:01:26,970 --> 02:01:35,220 calvess $5 Scott Jalbert $12 Chad Pharoah 12 $20.22 Martin 1953 02:01:35,220 --> 02:01:39,180 Linda scope $1 and Mark Graham $1. And that's our group. 1954 02:01:39,240 --> 02:01:42,300 Adam Curry: And thank you all so much for delivering the value. 1955 02:01:42,330 --> 02:01:46,530 It is really appreciated, especially yesterday show but 1956 02:01:46,560 --> 02:01:49,590 also everyone who showed up today and in the chat room that 1957 02:01:49,590 --> 02:01:53,910 has been contributing if you want to support podcasting 2.0 1958 02:01:53,910 --> 02:01:57,990 the podcast and of course, the index, go to podcast index.org. 1959 02:01:57,990 --> 02:02:00,840 Scroll down to the bottom you'll see two red donate buttons. One 1960 02:02:00,840 --> 02:02:05,040 is for your Fiat fund coupons via PayPal, and the other one is 1961 02:02:05,040 --> 02:02:08,910 that tally coin that only Dred Scott uses. But of course we'd 1962 02:02:08,910 --> 02:02:12,750 love for you to try a modern podcast app works with all your 1963 02:02:12,750 --> 02:02:16,230 old podcast, no problem, you can export from Apple export from 1964 02:02:16,230 --> 02:02:19,950 any podcast, including overcast whatever it is, even from one of 1965 02:02:19,950 --> 02:02:23,640 the newer podcast apps, you can try them all. Export your OPML 1966 02:02:23,640 --> 02:02:26,490 file or your podcasts, whatever it's called. It's different per 1967 02:02:26,490 --> 02:02:30,090 app, and just import it into the new one. And you got Presto 1968 02:02:30,810 --> 02:02:34,770 Wallah. You've got like a rabbit out of a hat. You've got all of 1969 02:02:34,770 --> 02:02:38,820 your subscriptions right there. And you can now actually 1970 02:02:38,820 --> 02:02:44,160 purchase little bits of Bitcoin Satoshis in think for apps we 1971 02:02:44,160 --> 02:02:50,010 have breeze we have fountain we have pod verse. What am I 1972 02:02:50,010 --> 02:02:56,340 forgetting here? I know I'm forgetting something. Dave 1973 02:02:56,340 --> 02:03:01,110 helped me. What the Where you can you can buy SATs in Fountain 1974 02:03:01,140 --> 02:03:08,310 pod verse. Anything with get Alby I guess? breeze to freeze? 1975 02:03:08,520 --> 02:03:12,570 First one, I'm sure there's a fourth one you can buy by SATs 1976 02:03:12,570 --> 02:03:16,770 right through Moon pay right in the app? I don't remember that. 1977 02:03:16,980 --> 02:03:19,650 I you know, we need to we need to do Apps page. Yeah, I'm 1978 02:03:19,650 --> 02:03:22,740 drawing a blank. I don't think there's a there's not a fourth. 1979 02:03:22,980 --> 02:03:25,140 There's no. There's no step four. 1980 02:03:26,880 --> 02:03:30,510 Dave Jones: I don't know what you may be. I think I know what 1981 02:03:30,510 --> 02:03:32,850 you're talking about. Oh, no, I think I know what you're talking 1982 02:03:32,850 --> 02:03:35,610 about. I don't? Yeah. It's not out yet. 1983 02:03:36,480 --> 02:03:38,880 Adam Curry: What am I talking about? I mean, I'm not Todd 1984 02:03:38,880 --> 02:03:40,710 Cochran. I don't have secrets. 1985 02:03:43,260 --> 02:03:45,360 Dave Jones: Because I can't Well, I can't think of anything 1986 02:03:45,360 --> 02:03:45,990 else that is 1987 02:03:47,790 --> 02:03:50,820 Adam Curry: it doesn't matter. Just go ahead and figure it out. 1988 02:03:50,850 --> 02:03:55,350 Go to new podcast apps.com and get some things you can boost us 1989 02:03:55,350 --> 02:03:58,020 you can join in the fun clearly. It's a lot of fun, because you 1990 02:03:58,020 --> 02:04:00,930 get your name mentioned a lot in your in your message read. And 1991 02:04:01,140 --> 02:04:05,370 you get to have standing amongst everybody else in the listening 1992 02:04:05,370 --> 02:04:11,280 audience. We appreciate that. Thank you for your thinking. I'm 1993 02:04:11,280 --> 02:04:14,640 not thinking your desire. We've received exactly zero SATs from 1994 02:04:14,640 --> 02:04:18,960 Zion ever. But he raised $6 million. Yeah, there you go. 1995 02:04:19,470 --> 02:04:22,950 There you go. That's how it goes. I wouldn't want that. That 1996 02:04:22,950 --> 02:04:27,150 albatross around my neck. No way. No, not at all. Hi, 1997 02:04:27,150 --> 02:04:32,670 brother. 8:14pm. It's been a late one. I'm going to finish 1998 02:04:32,670 --> 02:04:35,220 this up. Get everything out. Get it going. Roll it out. So 1999 02:04:35,220 --> 02:04:37,980 everyone can enjoy that this evening or tomorrow morning 2000 02:04:37,980 --> 02:04:40,950 before no agenda. Just stick it in, stick it into your into your 2001 02:04:40,950 --> 02:04:46,050 Sunday morning. And hopefully everything stays up where you 2002 02:04:46,050 --> 02:04:48,720 are and you don't have to go back to the office. You're gonna 2003 02:04:48,720 --> 02:04:50,100 have a nice day off tomorrow. 2004 02:04:50,940 --> 02:04:52,650 Dave Jones: I hope everything stays up where you are. 2005 02:04:53,760 --> 02:04:55,110 Adam Curry: I'm gonna see if we're gonna get back and keep it 2006 02:04:55,110 --> 02:04:59,610 say enough. That's alright buddy. That'll do it. Thanks for 2007 02:04:59,610 --> 02:05:02,130 joining. Is this late night boardroom meeting where we get a 2008 02:05:02,130 --> 02:05:04,800 little punchy. We'll be back next Friday right here 2009 02:05:04,800 --> 02:05:06,390 podcasting 2.0 2010 02:05:21,720 --> 02:05:26,250 Unknown: You have been listening to podcasting 2.0 Visit podcast 2011 02:05:26,250 --> 02:05:29,760 index.org For more information podcast. 2012 02:05:31,290 --> 02:05:33,930 Dave Jones: Hey, James Sam's out of town give me a call.