Episode 101: Loops, not Lists

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Oh, podcasting 2.0 for September
9 2022, episode 101 loops not

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less hello everybody welcome to
the weekly board meeting is the

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trash we talk, podcast index dot
social. I'm Adam curry here in

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the heart of the Texas Hill
Country and in Alabama, the man

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most likely to receive the first
knighthood from the new King.

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Say hello to my friend on the
other end, ladies and gentlemen,

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Mr. De Jones.

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Yeah, guess what I'm doing as we
speak.

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I don't know some royal duties.

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Not royal duties. I'm like, I'm
always I'm tweeting the or

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tooting the Oh, you're tuning
the show the show you have to

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show. Did you know? Did you
know? I just found this out like

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yesterday. Do you know how shut
when somebody talks about a

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shotgun is like 12 gauge 10
gauge 16 gauge? Do you know what

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the how they determine that what
the gauge means?

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I only know 12 and 20. And I
know 20 is smaller. So no. Is

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it? Oh wait. Is it by the size
of the ear you can shoot a hole

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through for one of those hip
looking big rings.

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Know it is it is oh. So there's
there's 1012 1620 gauge. I'm

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sure there's a few more. But
those are the ones that are the

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most common. I've been using
this terminology my whole life I

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didn't I never realized what
that means. So the way you

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determine the gauge of a shotgun
is that number means how many

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lead balls of the diameter of
the barrel? It takes to make one

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pound. No way. Yeah, so 10 gauge
shotgun is tin, tin lead balls

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of that size. Barrel diameter.
Yeah, we'll make a pound

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ha yeah, that makes sense. Why a
20 gauge is smaller than a 12.

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Oh, interesting.

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Yeah. And for 10 So I've got
I've got a double barrel 14 and

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the 14 is not a gauge. That's a
caliber. So that's yeah, wholly

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different.

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Yeah, my the judge can shoot
those. It'll do. It'll go both

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ways. Right? Yeah. Oh, yeah.
Just Well, I gave it to Rogen as

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a Welcome to Texas gift that was
given to me when I came to

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Texas, so I forgot. Give it to
Joe. And he just gets passed

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around. New arrivals. Yeah, it's
like, like those chicks with a

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blue jeans. Only we do it with a
gun. Okay. Of course, that

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movie. The secret society of the
paddling, paint traveling fans.

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Yes, exactly. Hey, I got my
first my first pod verse alert

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today of live for the live Yeah,
I'm very excited. And this is

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because I got a new phone and I
loaded graphene OS onto it. And,

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you know, I was using a pixel
for for, I don't know, years and

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years with graphene OS thing
goes on forever. And so fine.

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Love the size, love everything
about it battery stays, you

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know, still good. What phone did
you get? Well, you're pretty

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restricted with graphene OS. And
so the reason why I got it is

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that I felt it was time to clean
up, you know, it's like, okay,

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now I really know how graphene
is functions, I'd like to kind

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of start over again, and the
selfie camera had started

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getting, you know, got cloudy.
So if I did a call with my

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daughter, she's like, dad take
the filter off. And like that's

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not filter. So I asked, our guy
had no agenda phone.com Who does

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this as a service. But he also
has very detailed instructions

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how to do it yourself as I'll do
it myself. But he said, you

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know, get a pixel six A, which
I'm generally very happy with.

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But it's bigger than I really I
really like it's a little

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bigger.

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I don't like a big phone. I've
got the iPhone Mini.

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Yeah. I prefer that. And you
know, and I don't like cases,

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but I really need to put
something around this because

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very vulnerable. It looks feels
vulnerable. Yeah. Anyway, it's a

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solid device. And it was that
was actually quite an

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interesting, I finally figured
out how to use the sandbox

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Google stuff. And so you know,
if you can download something

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from the Play Store and run it
in its own little sandbox, which

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you know, really locks out all
of your other system. It can't

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talk to apps outside of that it
can't, you know, you can really

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determine if it gets any
geolocation data. And so you can

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also determine, hey, let this
app pass on an alert.

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So this is the what you're
talking about is that thing

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where it like proxies it logs
into the store for you with some

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other account? No,

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no, no, this is the you
literally log in with an

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existing Google account except
when you load the apple onto

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your phone. Now, of course,
whatever you're doing, you know,

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Google knows what you're doing,
obviously. So you got to choose

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wisely. But the app itself runs
in a sandbox that is separate

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from the rest of the phone. So
it can't be talking to other

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apps and getting all kinds of
sensor data without your

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explicit permission on all of
these things. If it's very

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granular

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into that in that kit, I'm
assuming that that kills it in

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the background. So that is not
just resident all the time

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tracking you and that kind of
thing? No, the apps the Play

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Store? No, I

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mean, you have no, it's a
graphing OS app, which is this

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sandbox, place store and Play
services. So you can still use

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them. I mean, obviously, please,
no need to email me.

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Advice, you need lots of advice.

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But then the thing that got me
was tails scale, all of a sudden

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didn't work. And then I
realized, oh, man, I'm really

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reliant on tail scale in my
life. This thing, can't live

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without it. Ah, I mean, just to
get to my, um, roles, I have a

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saved a web application, like a
web page. And so just boom, you

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get into your Bumble right away,
or even heli pad with a

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shortcut. I mean, all this stuff
is great. And then oh, man, cuz

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I have a domain name mapped to
it. So I don't have to I don't

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have to remember, IP addresses.
Could you just put in the in the

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a record, even though it
resolves to, you know, whatever

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private address it is,

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it's a use case for that stuff
is strong, too, because they

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have, like incredible access
control lists, and stuff. Oh,

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man, I was reading to the
documentation for it the other

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day. And I mean, you can just
create entire, you know, network

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Virtual Private, private
networks. Yeah.

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With SSL, SSL certs, even if you
want to go one step further.

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Yeah, yeah. In DNS, you know,
like proxy DNS. And

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that was the thing that I had a
problem with. It wasn't doing

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the proxy DNS on the phone
anymore. And it's apparently

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something the way that here's
what I even though it should, it

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should work without that, by
default. The Android 13 I guess

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it is d VPN, system, whatever
that is subsystem, that sound

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cool subsystem, SFC. VPN
subsystem decides to

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automatically block all traffic
that is not going through the

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VPN. Okay, so since this is
since tail scale is not a

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tunnel. I mean, you're not
tunneling somewhere for all the

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other IP addresses you really
only using it to, to get to your

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private networks. Right? It
blocks everything else.

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Because because that's the
difference between total scale

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and something like a VPN is that
the VPN? Or to do a VPN

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properly, you tunnel everything,
every packet.

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You can you can with tail scale,
you can use one of your

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computers as an exit. No,
though. No, it's not the

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default. No, no. So I just
couldn't figure it out. And it

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was of course it was DNS, you
know. And so once I flipped that

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off, oh, okay, now it all works
again. That was one of those

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showstopper moments.

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It's always DNS.

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That's exactly what's going to
always DNS. And then I'm so

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jazzed that this Saturn thing
came out which connects you to

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the Alby wallet.

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Have you so have you played with
it? I have no idea. So

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I, I hooked it up this morning.
And I put the I put an

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additional 1% into the pot, only
the podcasting 2.0 block, value

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block and nothing was happening.
Nothing. And all of a sudden, in

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the last 14 minutes, it's
starting to work. I have a

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blueberry with 169 SATs Chad f.
Let me see now. Let me see. Do I

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have anything? So yeah, it's
showing the episodes now this

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thing is very cool. And I can't
wait to have enough data in

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here. Just look at the charts. I
mean, this blew me away. And is

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this the the lb guys themselves?
Or is this partners they're

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working with?

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God knows. That's them. I think
that me I'm sure it's them. This

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is mind boggling. So what is let
me look at our value block here

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because we're getting your balls
getting heavy.

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Well, okay, let me tell you
this. I, I see. I see successful

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payments in different apps, but
it doesn't come through.

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Okay, and I said we I think we
need to pare this down a bit.

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Because there's too many splits
causing problems. Yeah, you get

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1234567 splits.

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I've seen 10 Go no problems.

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It's just so sad. Low though.
Like I don't need, you can take

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the you can take my stay safe
note off, I don't need I don't

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if we're going to do, I would
say, do you take me off? They

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just replace me with Saturn that
way we can both see it.

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But do you think that? Do you
think that this is the problem?

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I mean, I don't know what
routing is, I have no idea. I

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mean, before we, I mean, if, if
seven splits in the block is a

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problem, that's something we
need to address and just taking

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shit out, I don't think is the
way to address him.

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I'm not really, I wasn't trying
to be technical, I really was

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just thinking of it more like a
from a troubleshooting

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standpoint, where you pare
things down. Okay. Well, there's

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two things that, you know,
there's like, there's that

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aspect of it. And then there's
also the fact that you have

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seven fees. You know, I mean,
there's routing fees for every

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one of these. Yeah, so you don't
miss that's not good, either.

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Because we can't really
especially like, like boost bot,

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or, or me, the my or my node. I
don't know where that route is

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gonna go. It may go through
something that's got higher fees

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than we would lie. Sure.

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Sure. That's a good point.

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If me, okay,

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this is something we need to
look at. And I don't know, I

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mean, this is a new system, I'm
receiving everything with the

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same fee amount on my own,
Umbro, the booster grant monitor

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and receiving everything there.
So it could also be the routing

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to Alby just before we start
ripping stuff up. And I think we

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still need to look at what are
the limitations? What are the

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app seeing as limitations for
each payment? It's just that we

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need to look at and if we're, if
that's what we're hitting, now,

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let's look at it. Now. Even if
we're not, this is

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important. The other that'd be
the other way to look at this is

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as an as troubleshooting
exercise is that we can be the

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test case for how many splits do
you do and can you use until it

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until it begins to have
problems? Okay. Right. But I

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mean, we can just keep going
with but 14 splits.

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Right? I just like to I'd like
to figure out why this is

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happening. Now. What I'm seeing
here, so this 169 SATs, that's

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probably the split amount. So
that would have been like, well,

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actually, let me see what
blueberry when blueberry do

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about 14 minutes ago. Blueberry
sent 17,776. So that one got

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through. So it must be a fee
issue.

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The fee is outweighing the,

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the fees outweighing the
payment? I think.

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Yeah, cuz I got 17 776 from
blueberry on hella pad.

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100 Yeah, right. And so I see
here chat F 96. So that means

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that was what 1000 1000 SATs a
21. Oh, boy. Yeah. Okay. This is

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likely illiquidity slash fee
slash routing issue.

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Yeah. And that really seems like
the most logical explanation

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when it comes to if if, if a lot
of splits was going to cause a

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problem. Yeah, it seems like it
would manifest itself as a fee

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issue. slowness number one, but
then above and beyond that, like

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if payments just don't arrive?
It would be a fee issue. Now?

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Is it? I've maybe this is what
it would have been all along. Or

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maybe I just didn't get it? Is
an amp payment? Can you put

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together an amp payment that
doesn't necessarily assemble all

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at the same end, but goes out to
for instance, and payment? And

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we say send these in different
directions? Or these are the

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different places and it's one
payment? And it splits through

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amp? Or is yeah, that works?

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Yeah, that does work. If the
continuous problem with AMP is

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lack of support, like not
enabled or, or, or if it goes

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through a route, or if it goes
through a channel, where amp is

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not supported by one end of that
channel likes to say I'm not

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sure see, lightning supports
amp. Or

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you know what, Roy Roy can weigh
in on this Roy knows exactly

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where this is at. And I know he
prefers amp. So if we can

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support it and start pushing it,
because this that may solve our

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problem. But we do support it.
No, I know. Is it on the the

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index node? I don't think so. I
don't think it's turned on. I

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don't think it's I don't think
it's on by default.

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Yeah, I don't know about that
when you might you may be right

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about that. I

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know I think the Zeus wallet
doesn't have it on it seems like

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something that's not on by
default. Even though even though

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it I think the the switches try
and payment if possible. So you

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know, it could just delay the
payment altogether and you know,

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delay it until Is it okay, that
didn't work? No, me tried the

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old school way? I think we
should. It sounds like we should

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start supporting that,

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then. Yeah.

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Just by turning it on and using
it.

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I don't know, which I don't know
which things support. I don't

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know which nodes node software's
support app and which ones don't

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only see. I mean, look up, I
wonder, see, see lightning?

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Because that would be that's the
other major one, me got a link

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out there as well.

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But it means support this.
There's support in the in the in

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the node software itself. And
then there's support in the, in

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the wallets support in the nodes
in the routes, you know, routing

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nodes that the apps have to have
to send have to package things

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differently, I guess, to make an
app payment.

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Tomic multipath. That's online.
That's on LMDS page. I don't see

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anything about amp with

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core lightning.

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Native amp support? Yeah, I
don't I don't know. I don't know

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that that's supported. And if
it's not, then then that

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wouldn't be good. Because I
mean, there's plenty of CLI

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there's plenty of core lightning
out there. That really needs to

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tell us what's going on.

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But have you thought about this
problem yet? Other ideas?

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I mean, I don't have I don't
see. I don't see really been an

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issue right now. I mean, I don't
see a lot of payments failing.

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Well done lack of liquidity

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now. But it's only failing. Now
the smaller payments are failing

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to the lb split.

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Yeah, but I mean, if it's a
small pet, but each each payment

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is each payment from a malicious
kisser, take pod verse, for

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example, or net, it's not easy.
Take cast, thematic cast

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thematic when it splits that
seven ways it's going to send

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seven individual payments

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understood and individual fees
for seven

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individual fees. Yep. So. So a
payment of 700. SAS. If that

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doesn't make it, I'm not sure
amp is going to save you very

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much. Because I mean, that's a
risk. If it fails because of

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fees on a 700 set payment.
You're so far down the line at

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that point. I mean, so it's
going to find, you know, you

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don't the way that would save us
if somehow found a channel

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that's that's got 1000 SATs of
liquidity, right.

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But I believe that we have a
channel between us and Alby.

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And, you know, Elon pays
effectively on on our node.

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Yeah, but what I'm what I'm
saying though, is that does that

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and if you can't, if you can't
get a 700 sat payment through

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without amp, I'm not sure you're
gonna get it through with AMP

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either.

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Understood, completely
understood. I'm curious why a

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payment, which should not even
have a single fee in it. Because

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it's, it should be our node
directly to Alby because we have

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a channel so there's no there's
no routing fee.

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That you're saying that it did
not? You're saying the payments.

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Are we troubleshooting this
because payments are failing to

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lb? Are we afraid they are?

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No, they are? Definitely All
right. Yeah, they are. It seems

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anything under under 10,000
SATs. I'm not getting a 1% split

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to the lb No, that's what I'm
saying. I only have two so far

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out of the room.

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Are they both from the same app?

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I see fountain. Two from pod
verse. I just got one from Okay,

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here we go. We got one from
fountain. Maybe it's maybe

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caching. Yeah, I could be a

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two. If it's not DNS is cache.

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I got one set, but Oh, that's
interesting. It hasn't updated

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on helipad yet. Huh?

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It'll hit Bailey pads a slow
piece of crap compared to lb

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this the problem?

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Hey, I don't want to ever hear
you talking about helipad like

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that. That's incredibly rude.
All right. So you know what,

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maybe it's just caching but
we'll let it we'll let it shake

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out a little bit. See how it
does.

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It's caching is gotta be
caching. We're that's what we're

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gonna go with. Okay, it's
caching.

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All right, everybody. Fire drill
over it was caching

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next. me speaking of speaking of
Lb I'm in the throes of adding

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lb wallet support to podcaster
wallet.

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Oh, fantastic. Because did you
see that they just added

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shipping to SoundCloud.

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Oh, no. Yes.

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I'm telling you. SoundCloud. We
got to we got to get that

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connection made because the
people are gonna want it and

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let's not get them in the habit
of tipping.

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That nobody actually works at
SoundCloud though. It's all Ay

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ay ay,

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but we don't need them. We don't
need their permission.

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That's right. We don't have you
don't need it. No,

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please claim your feet here. And
as we discussed, do you have a

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music tracks in your feed,
whatever the language is, click

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Yes, your music medium equals
music bit gets flipped. It's a

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shame but you know, we got to
help these fuckers because, you

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know, disco Matic know what they
called

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dystopia disco Matic disco Matic
that's the

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new name just from now on disco
Matic dystopia, you know, these

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guys are hot and heavy on it,
it's gonna happen. It's the same

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as the hosting companies. It may
even go a little bit faster, but

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we have to put a little shim in
there because of the music flag.

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Ryan has sent me some links.
That topic I was talking about

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where you could like detect
whether something is music or

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audio, I mean, our speech
automatically, like eight sent

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me some stuff you totally can.
That's a evidently well

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trodden territory. Well, you
know what I would love for you

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to do it.

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I would, I mean, I'd like to
take a here, here's my idea. So

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take the day, the weekly data
database, the weekly John dump,

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and dump, download it, mess
around the weekly massive dump,

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and dump and ghost runs through
it because one of the things

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contained in the massive dump is
the lat the most recent

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enclosure URL. So you can run
through that run maybe hills a

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lot to Mystic, you could crawl
through that, and grab the URL

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of every of each one of each
enclosure, and then run the

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analysis on it and see if it's
music or speech. And then sort

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of build a profile across the
index of which, how many and

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which podcasts are audio verse,
or audio or speech versus music.

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That would be a really good
first crack at that, to see if

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there's pockets and then union
we will increment a counter. So

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if it finds a music, podcasts,
or enclosure, we increment a

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counter on the host description
so that we can say okay, there's

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maybe by the end of this thing,
there's 75,000 podcasts that

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seemed to be music. And they're
clustered with they're clustered

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in these hosts maybe SoundCloud
you know just topia whatever RSS

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blue did I don't know if you saw
RSS blue, fairly new hosting

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company. They got music, the
music tag or excuse me, the

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medium tag is evidently baked
into their their UI, and there's

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quite a few music podcasts right
out the gate. And

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what are they doing for wallets?

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They support the you know,
putting in your value block. Oh,

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is that I don't know. You get?

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You get shuttled through. So

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can I get to lb I think they're
connected to lb.

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So the only thing we need them.
And I'm fine. Not at these you

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without saying it. You don't
want to add the shim to

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podcaster wallet. You don't want
to add the medium is music. I

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know you don't.

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I don't because it's so sketchy.
Good because I don't know good.

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Yeah,

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good. We still need to change
the language for someone who

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wants to sign up for music. How
do we get that done? Do we

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change the exists? There? Again,
I think if if people have to go

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to a place called podcast or
wallet to get their music in, I

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think will fail. So it's purely
perception may may help. How

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about this? How about this?
Maybe the way you find out how

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much music is in there. That
sounds like a pretty cool

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project actually.

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Sounds kind of fun.

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And in the meantime, just like
RSS blue. And in a way, like

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fountain I would hope that
someone would make an app where

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you can actually do the
onboarding. So here's your new

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this is the new new music 2.0
app. And here's what it does.

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And if you if you're an artist
and you're either on the end if

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you're here, here or here, claim
your feed and and get your

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wallet if if you're not with RSS
Blue or whatever. So the honest

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the onboarding would have is
that what are says blue is doing

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there, they're doing the same as
fountain with us interacting

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with the value block, or they're
putting the block into the RSS

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feed.

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Looking right now, they're,
they're putting the block into

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the feed. And I think they may
have done an integration with

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Alby. But I'm not sure they may
just have fields, I'm gonna have

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to go back and look. Okay. Yeah,
I mean, it's, it's there, the

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stuffs there.

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Now, this is actually a good
idea. So probably a good way to

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kickstart this is if you're
interested in doing that project

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to find out what's in the
system. Sure, and we and we mark

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that up and say, okay, in you
know, either temporary or

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whatever, a special endpoint
music flag experimental, then,

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then then the app developers can
do something, then they have

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some content they can use.
That's all we need. We need the

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content that I don't care how we
get it in there. If it's already

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in there, we could find it, then
I think we'll see the app. This

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is the way to go. podcasts or
wallet is such a fucking crutch.

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I love it. But it's not the way
to go. What fountain did is the

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way to go? And then of course,
hosting companies doing feeds

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directly, totally the way to go.
Okay,

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yeah, now I'm down.

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Because I've talked myself out
of what I want. It's Fuck,

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you're good day job.

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Yeah, I can, I can push the mind
of the meal. So we think I

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really want the medium. I really
want this music stuff to be

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figured out prior to pre
hackathon. Yeah, I agree. But

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because that's going to be a
celebration, you know, it's

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gonna be nice people salivate to
have to have more than to use.

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So briefly, tell me what is the
output of, of the system you

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you're thinking of doing?

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So in my head, what I was
thinking is go day, Grunt

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through the dump, get grab every
grab every enclosure URL, and

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it's the most recent one as of
the time of the massive dump,

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grab each enclosure URL, you'd
have to be downloaded, and then

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run an analysis on it using one
of these tools. And then keep a

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running count of which ones are
music, and which, in which host,

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which hosting provider it is.
And then at the end of it, what

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it would output is, here's how
many podcasts had contain music

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content. And which hosting
companies are ones that contain

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music content. Parallel to that
it would also be outputting.

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Each individual feed like you
know, with the feed URL or the

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participant make sure sure sure,
sure, sure. So that we could go

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back and mark them as music in
the database directly.

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Now we mark them permanently as
music or some temp flag or

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something so that we know, I
think

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I would flag it as music because
because it's not going to hurt

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it. It's not going to change the
the podcast, it's not going to

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change the API output in any

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way. Yeah, it's just how the how
the apps interpret that,

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right? The only thing it would,
the only way that the output of

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the of the API would be affected
is if you called if you called

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the endpoint. If you made a call
to the podcast by tag by tag

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medium, or nose bucket, I can't
remember the there's an API

439
00:28:52,859 --> 00:28:57,149
endpoint that we made dish gives
you back only music podcasts

440
00:28:57,149 --> 00:29:01,079
that have declared the music
medium that would now output all

441
00:29:01,079 --> 00:29:03,899
those ones we flagged but
nothing else about any of the

442
00:29:03,899 --> 00:29:05,999
output would change. So it
wouldn't have it wouldn't harm

443
00:29:05,999 --> 00:29:10,739
anything. And and we would know
with great with a great day a

444
00:29:10,889 --> 00:29:15,839
great degree of confidence that
these that these podcasts do, in

445
00:29:15,839 --> 00:29:17,729
fact contain music material,

446
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:19,860
right? I love it. It

447
00:29:19,860 --> 00:29:23,850
would be I love it. It would.
It's a good interim for your if

448
00:29:23,850 --> 00:29:28,080
we have a list to say, okay,
these five podcast hosting

449
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:33,690
providers contain a lot of music
content. We can then contact get

450
00:29:33,690 --> 00:29:35,970
in touch with them directly and
say, Hey, y'all got a bunch of

451
00:29:35,970 --> 00:29:39,060
music on there? Why don't you
declare the music medium tag?

452
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:44,970
Well, we already got it. Yep.
Love it. Love it. All right,

453
00:29:44,970 --> 00:29:51,810
Meeting adjourned. Till next
week. Oh man,

454
00:29:51,929 --> 00:29:54,539
I'm still I'm gonna do that.
I'll do that after I finished

455
00:29:54,539 --> 00:30:00,809
with the lb Parkchester wallet
connector thing because the way

456
00:30:00,839 --> 00:30:05,459
the way that's going is in the
podcaster wallet dashboard, just

457
00:30:05,459 --> 00:30:13,289
let you know it's like right now
it has thinks voltage see thinks

458
00:30:13,289 --> 00:30:17,999
voltage what was the was the
other way along pay? No, not

459
00:30:17,999 --> 00:30:24,029
Ellen pay. Oh Satoshi string
thinks voltage Satoshi stream,

460
00:30:24,269 --> 00:30:27,809
and then custom add your own
custom node rice. So you can add

461
00:30:27,989 --> 00:30:30,629
there'll be another one I'll add
lb. And it'll be a connector,

462
00:30:30,629 --> 00:30:34,439
you'll it'll kick you out to lb,
you'll say Yeah, I'm good. You

463
00:30:34,439 --> 00:30:37,349
know, I want to connect my
wallet. And then it'll here's

464
00:30:37,350 --> 00:30:43,110
a, here's a call back. So it
would seem it would seem to me

465
00:30:43,620 --> 00:30:48,420
that Al B, or Saturn could
actually do that they could,

466
00:30:48,450 --> 00:30:52,830
they should be able to onboard
from their end too. So hey, look

467
00:30:52,830 --> 00:30:56,250
at the sexy stats, you want that
sign up here. And then they just

468
00:30:56,250 --> 00:30:59,190
hit the back end without
actually going to podcast or

469
00:30:59,190 --> 00:31:02,010
wallet. And so you don't have to
fill all that stuff out.

470
00:31:04,380 --> 00:31:07,680
Yeah, so we did that for
fountain and for Satoshi stream

471
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:09,570
they have Yeah, they have direct
access.

472
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:11,790
Yeah, I think I'll be considered
that.

473
00:31:12,870 --> 00:31:20,610
Now it's up to the provider, who
we do this for to do the valid

474
00:31:20,610 --> 00:31:24,300
feed owner validation checking.
They have to go through that

475
00:31:24,330 --> 00:31:27,960
those hoops. We don't do okay.
Okay, because we don't get a

476
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:28,560
chance to at

477
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:31,980
that point. Nor do we, because
that's a huge pain in the ass.

478
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:36,480
Right. And this is another
reason why we need we need to

479
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:41,190
make progress on the verify,
verify tag. So because I want to

480
00:31:41,190 --> 00:31:43,740
get out of this game, what uh,
here's what I would love to do.

481
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:47,670
And this is across the entire
index. This is not not just for

482
00:31:47,670 --> 00:31:52,140
this use case, across the entire
index, I would love to get rid

483
00:31:52,140 --> 00:31:54,270
of email addresses, I don't want
to hold anybody's email

484
00:31:54,270 --> 00:32:00,960
addresses ever. And what that
means is, when you sign up for

485
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:07,110
the API, you hold your it holds
your email address, temporarily,

486
00:32:07,860 --> 00:32:11,760
so that they can verify your
identity. Then once you

487
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:19,770
verified, it takes your email
address, and it hashes it into a

488
00:32:19,770 --> 00:32:22,920
store and just stores the hash.
Okay, so that when you go back

489
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:26,340
to login in the future, you're
just logging in what you log in

490
00:32:26,340 --> 00:32:28,860
with your email address and
password hashes both of them not

491
00:32:28,860 --> 00:32:31,980
just the password and compares
it to the database that way,

492
00:32:32,490 --> 00:32:35,370
that way we don't have and if
you ever forget your password,

493
00:32:35,370 --> 00:32:37,380
you're gonna have to just type
your password your email address

494
00:32:37,380 --> 00:32:41,490
in it'll again, do the hash. I
don't think it affects anybody.

495
00:32:41,790 --> 00:32:43,890
We can remove all the email
addresses from our entire

496
00:32:43,890 --> 00:32:47,580
database podcasts and and
signups and podcasts or wallet

497
00:32:47,580 --> 00:32:51,120
and all that stuff. I like
because that way we don't ever

498
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:54,120
have to worry about the you
know, any of this stuff like

499
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:57,540
GDPR and all this kind of junk.
We don't have to worry about any

500
00:32:57,540 --> 00:32:58,080
of that stuff. Because we

501
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:00,030
don't hold anything. And we
don't need it really except for

502
00:33:00,030 --> 00:33:01,080
that one function.

503
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,710
Yeah. Yeah, I mean, that's
really all the verification part

504
00:33:04,710 --> 00:33:06,630
is the only thing we need it
for. And I think we can do that

505
00:33:06,630 --> 00:33:08,850
with just hashes. I'm fine with
it.

506
00:33:09,060 --> 00:33:11,940
All right. All right. Hello,
Dortch Lyons. Hello,

507
00:33:11,940 --> 00:33:13,350
Deutschland? Do you hear me?

508
00:33:13,590 --> 00:33:15,720
Go? We've been going for like 30
minutes. We've already solved

509
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:18,030
like two major problems. Well,
we're on a roll baby.

510
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:21,060
Elsa have some thoughts about
stuff I've been reading and

511
00:33:21,060 --> 00:33:25,710
seeing and hearing this week.
Okay, from the podcast industry.

512
00:33:28,020 --> 00:33:30,060
Seriously, favorite term, your
favorite term?

513
00:33:30,090 --> 00:33:33,750
Well, no, I've, I've I have
clarity, I have a lot of

514
00:33:33,750 --> 00:33:34,350
clarity.

515
00:33:34,860 --> 00:33:36,570
This is the pod like to benefit
from

516
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:41,790
the podcasts industry, I
realized, is actually the

517
00:33:41,790 --> 00:33:47,160
podcast industrial complex. And
it's it's not it's not

518
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:50,850
dissimilar. It's really not
dissimilar. It makes me think of

519
00:33:50,850 --> 00:33:53,820
the military industrial complex
is where I'm borrowing the word

520
00:33:53,820 --> 00:33:57,120
from, of course. And the fact
that people call it the

521
00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:00,390
industry. I mean, in our
industry, the industry is

522
00:34:00,390 --> 00:34:06,060
sometimes interchangeable with
space, space or community, which

523
00:34:06,060 --> 00:34:10,740
I despise you know, this
bullshit, I don't do this. It's

524
00:34:10,740 --> 00:34:14,880
not that way. And, you know,
when it kind of, you know, so

525
00:34:15,870 --> 00:34:20,460
when we started this, Dave, you
and I, just the two of us, just

526
00:34:20,460 --> 00:34:28,770
the two of us. The two of us,
yes. I was loving the air. You

527
00:34:28,770 --> 00:34:31,800
know, with two things in mind.
One is deep platforming is

528
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:35,430
bullshit. No, we're not going to
have that. Actually, three

529
00:34:35,430 --> 00:34:40,500
things two was, we need to do
all the heavy lifting so

530
00:34:40,530 --> 00:34:44,040
software developers can get in
the game. And then we needed to

531
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:47,940
have a censorship resistant
payment system, which also was

532
00:34:47,940 --> 00:34:52,140
able to include everybody in the
game in the flow, including the

533
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:57,900
developers. And I'm still very
convinced that that is not an

534
00:34:57,900 --> 00:35:00,750
insignificant driver. The fact
that everybody receives that

535
00:35:00,780 --> 00:35:06,480
there's potential for everyone
to catch a piece of this. And

536
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:08,940
it's, it's a lot more fun when
you share. And it's not just the

537
00:35:08,940 --> 00:35:12,060
podcaster getting all the money,
which is kind of what had

538
00:35:12,060 --> 00:35:15,300
happened with the podcast
industrial complex, and very

539
00:35:15,300 --> 00:35:19,530
similar to have a term by the
way, thank you very similar to

540
00:35:19,530 --> 00:35:25,770
having consultants and lobbyists
and governance boards, you know,

541
00:35:25,890 --> 00:35:32,130
what we discovered, is there was
this huge monolith of, of

542
00:35:32,130 --> 00:35:36,360
interconnected pieces that
called themselves the industry.

543
00:35:37,230 --> 00:35:40,920
And then we're stagnant that
when we saw centralization,

544
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:47,940
stagnation, worse, we saw, not
the first not the second, maybe

545
00:35:47,940 --> 00:35:53,490
the fourth try by Silicon
Valley, in this case, Stockholm

546
00:35:53,700 --> 00:35:57,990
Valley, to come in and capture
podcasting, and we can own it

547
00:35:57,990 --> 00:36:02,730
all. And you know, it's failed
many times before. To a degree

548
00:36:02,730 --> 00:36:05,610
where they're so brazen, they're
like, Yeah, we don't I mean,

549
00:36:05,610 --> 00:36:10,110
this RSS shit. So of course, RSS
is the reason why this works.

550
00:36:10,110 --> 00:36:13,950
And the cool thing about RSS
was, you didn't need anybody's

551
00:36:13,950 --> 00:36:17,850
permission, you just show up
with your RSS feed and the

552
00:36:17,850 --> 00:36:22,380
server and you plop it down. In
general, you don't need anyone's

553
00:36:22,380 --> 00:36:25,380
permission. Now, of course, we
have a very nicely decentralized

554
00:36:25,380 --> 00:36:30,720
hosting category of companies,
all relatively small, medium

555
00:36:30,720 --> 00:36:34,440
enterprises, you know, all
started as a cottage industry,

556
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:36,870
and they serve their clients
very well. And this is a very

557
00:36:36,870 --> 00:36:39,480
small group, it's like pilots,
you know, like helicopter

558
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:43,020
pilots, there's only so so many
of them, but the people who are

559
00:36:43,020 --> 00:36:46,590
in it, you know, the mechanics,
the instructors, the flight

560
00:36:46,590 --> 00:36:49,290
line, FBO. I mean, there's a lot
of there's a lot of people,

561
00:36:49,290 --> 00:36:51,810
it's, you can call that an
industry, community, whatever

562
00:36:51,810 --> 00:36:54,810
you want to call it. But
podcasting is unique, because

563
00:36:54,810 --> 00:36:58,950
you really don't need anything
or anybody. You don't really

564
00:36:58,950 --> 00:37:04,200
even need money, just a little
bit if just to host stuff. So,

565
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:08,580
as I'm reading, and, you know,
there's many people I respect

566
00:37:08,580 --> 00:37:13,230
and have known for going on two
decades, listening to different

567
00:37:13,230 --> 00:37:16,980
podcasts and how they're all
processing, the hurt and the

568
00:37:16,980 --> 00:37:21,240
shame of Podcast Movement. At
first, I'm just like, holy crap.

569
00:37:21,780 --> 00:37:26,070
Are we still talking about this?
Are we still trying to,

570
00:37:27,870 --> 00:37:31,560
to listen to each other and all
this? I'm like, hold on a

571
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:34,800
second. And but here's what I
keep hearing in this in these

572
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:38,250
conversations in these pieces.
And I'm confused by it. You

573
00:37:38,250 --> 00:37:43,110
know, we as an industry,
interchange, community,

574
00:37:43,620 --> 00:37:48,600
whatever, but industry, we have
an obligation to lift unheard

575
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:53,250
voices. And I'm like, How can
you not be heard in an open

576
00:37:53,250 --> 00:37:56,970
system? What are you talking
about? That everybody can be

577
00:37:56,970 --> 00:38:02,070
heard? It's equal, not where
it's not equal is in platforms,

578
00:38:02,100 --> 00:38:06,210
you know? So is this about
getting equal exposure and

579
00:38:06,210 --> 00:38:09,660
Spotify? I mean, I've never, I
mean, the times I've been on the

580
00:38:09,660 --> 00:38:14,880
front page of Apple, I can count
on half a hand. Seriously,

581
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:19,740
seriously. And but I've spent
the time I did the grind and,

582
00:38:20,100 --> 00:38:24,660
and here we are. So So
initially, I was thinking, These

583
00:38:24,660 --> 00:38:28,920
people are missing the point.
Like, does that mean that we all

584
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,680
have to be on the same town
square? This is what they say a

585
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:34,800
lot about Twitter? Well, it's
the town square it's the public

586
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:41,850
square. No, no. To me, it's like
we're in history that the whole

587
00:38:41,850 --> 00:38:45,510
world or a whole city come
together at one time on a square

588
00:38:45,750 --> 00:38:49,320
it don't your you got your
square and Chinatown you got

589
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:52,410
your square and Little Italy,
you got the square and Brooklyn,

590
00:38:52,710 --> 00:38:56,070
you know, all these all these
different squares. And now we

591
00:38:56,070 --> 00:38:58,560
can actually interconnect them.
I thought these people are just

592
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:01,650
missing the point is like, what
do you what do you tried to

593
00:39:01,650 --> 00:39:06,540
raise up anybody can can get the
same exposure. I was missing the

594
00:39:06,540 --> 00:39:11,610
point. This is about who's in
the relatively small money

595
00:39:11,610 --> 00:39:15,450
square. And this is the key part
of the military industrial

596
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:21,300
complex, where we literally have
boards and and Starfleet

597
00:39:21,300 --> 00:39:26,160
commands who decide, you know
that equity is important and we

598
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:29,970
need more of this and we need to
have more of these people again,

599
00:39:29,970 --> 00:39:32,550
in an open system. I don't
understand what what they're

600
00:39:32,550 --> 00:39:36,270
talking about. Then it dawned on
me it's it's who gets the money.

601
00:39:36,690 --> 00:39:40,050
And I literally heard Oh, no, I
read this today on pod news.

602
00:39:41,310 --> 00:39:47,070
Someone did a an analysis of the
podcast industry so again, the

603
00:39:47,070 --> 00:39:51,810
podcast industrial complex, and
it's like whoa, here's the

604
00:39:51,810 --> 00:39:56,910
conclusion. White men run it you
know and who they have serious X

605
00:39:56,910 --> 00:39:59,970
am amused. So I'm looking at
these like this. I heart

606
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:09,720
Spotify, Apple, Amazon, a caste
Odyssey. You know what, fuck all

607
00:40:09,720 --> 00:40:15,990
this? Yeah, absolutely. White
men run that business. So now I

608
00:40:15,990 --> 00:40:22,560
understand they're using the
racial angle or inclusivity, the

609
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:29,580
DEI, you know, diversity, equity
inclusion, to force people into

610
00:40:30,150 --> 00:40:34,200
cutting up the pie and cutting
other people in. And in my view,

611
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:39,120
and I don't think this is
purposeful. But it's, it's very

612
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:44,430
normal for an, you know, I have
no prob, I love people who serve

613
00:40:44,430 --> 00:40:46,350
in the military. And there's
also people I know, are

614
00:40:46,350 --> 00:40:49,500
administrative in the military.
And they all know it's a shit

615
00:40:49,500 --> 00:40:52,290
show, and I don't hate them
individually, but on mass, it's

616
00:40:52,290 --> 00:40:54,870
a huge shit show. And that's
what this is, only it's not as

617
00:40:54,870 --> 00:40:58,530
much money as the military
industrial complex. So that's

618
00:40:58,530 --> 00:41:03,510
why I saw hundreds of
consultants. And I was, I think

619
00:41:03,510 --> 00:41:06,960
you sent me a link about this.
This one consultant, you know,

620
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:10,620
who built up her business, you
know, selling ads on podcast,

621
00:41:10,830 --> 00:41:14,190
and then she's finally hit the
big time. And she's gone to New

622
00:41:14,190 --> 00:41:18,150
York. And you know, she, she
goes and collects some, some

623
00:41:18,150 --> 00:41:25,350
diverse people, and then goes to
a corporate a corporation, and

624
00:41:25,350 --> 00:41:30,270
says, Okay, I need $200,000 to
produce this series. And now I

625
00:41:30,270 --> 00:41:34,650
have like six episodes, and now
my mind is like, oh, okay, we're

626
00:41:34,650 --> 00:41:39,210
recreating Hollywood. Got it.
And here's the only thing that

627
00:41:39,210 --> 00:41:42,900
the podcast Industrial Complex
has as a unique selling

628
00:41:42,900 --> 00:41:48,930
proposition. brand safety and
suitability. That's it, hey, we

629
00:41:48,930 --> 00:41:51,840
can show you brand safety and
suitability. Look at our hosts,

630
00:41:51,930 --> 00:41:54,720
look at who's producing it. Look
at the mix. How can that be

631
00:41:54,720 --> 00:41:59,400
wrong? So all they're really
doing this all they have as as

632
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:02,940
something extra? Is brand
safety. It's you know, it's

633
00:42:02,970 --> 00:42:07,320
like, it's a part of ESG. I even
heard as I was listening and

634
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:10,800
reading, there's no talk of what
then this came out of this whole

635
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:14,640
fracas with Ben Shapiro, now
people talking about universal

636
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:18,810
labeling system for podcasts. So
not just audiences, but

637
00:42:19,110 --> 00:42:21,330
advertisers know what's inside.

638
00:42:22,590 --> 00:42:25,140
Well, the nutrition label, yes,

639
00:42:25,170 --> 00:42:31,200
yes. No, no. And that's all
fine. I'm perfectly okay with

640
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:35,460
it. I'm not interested in it. I
don't want to compete in it. I

641
00:42:35,460 --> 00:42:38,730
find it sad that people are
tricked into thinking they have

642
00:42:38,730 --> 00:42:43,320
a shot in it. If you don't have
the certain attributes, I think

643
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:47,250
you don't. It's a lot of people
running after the same money.

644
00:42:47,250 --> 00:42:51,420
And here's, here's the bad news.
Because that's not bad. To me,

645
00:42:51,420 --> 00:42:54,600
it's like a fine is, I really
don't care. I have other things

646
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:58,290
to do with my life. Just don't
call it the podcast industry.

647
00:42:58,290 --> 00:43:01,590
It's the podcast industrial
complex. But here's the problem,

648
00:43:01,620 --> 00:43:05,280
the money ride is coming to an
end, the free money, the Silicon

649
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:09,540
Valley money, it's over. And
just That's how interest rates

650
00:43:09,540 --> 00:43:13,500
work, the money is is is no
longer going to flow the way it

651
00:43:13,500 --> 00:43:18,510
used to talk to your people in
marketing, advertising is drying

652
00:43:18,510 --> 00:43:22,740
up. And it's not just the
podcast industrial complex.

653
00:43:23,970 --> 00:43:27,630
Advertising is advertising and
marketing money is drying up

654
00:43:27,630 --> 00:43:31,740
everywhere, particularly online.
It doesn't mean that there's

655
00:43:31,740 --> 00:43:34,290
less people advertising,
although that is of course,

656
00:43:34,380 --> 00:43:39,390
diminishing with economic
circumstances. I mean, just as a

657
00:43:39,390 --> 00:43:42,660
general question, I would love
to see an analysis I was hoping

658
00:43:42,660 --> 00:43:47,160
pod news may have I may have
this. I would like to see how

659
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:50,820
are these dynamically inserted
ads that multiple hosting

660
00:43:50,820 --> 00:43:53,010
companies have implemented in
the past few months? How are

661
00:43:53,010 --> 00:43:55,410
they doing? I don't hear
anything about it.

662
00:43:56,250 --> 00:43:58,680
I never hear performance metrics
on any of that. You hear

663
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:02,460
it about everybody else. And
then we'll have $6 billion

664
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:06,480
running through podcasting in
just a few short years. Is this

665
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:12,900
working? I don't believe it is.
And that's why podcasts

666
00:44:12,900 --> 00:44:17,670
industrial complex conferences
are really money funnels. But

667
00:44:17,670 --> 00:44:24,120
here's here's how I can prove to
you that advertising online in

668
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:27,360
general is a problem. And
podcasting is going to be the

669
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:32,790
first one to be cut off the
list. And death definitely now

670
00:44:32,790 --> 00:44:37,830
with this bullshit that went
down at Podcast Movement. That's

671
00:44:37,860 --> 00:44:41,640
kryptonite. It doesn't matter
who was right who was wrong.

672
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:44,820
That's kryptonite to
advertisers. That's why I

673
00:44:44,820 --> 00:44:48,180
believe there's so much
groveling from the P IC. They're

674
00:44:48,180 --> 00:44:52,350
saying, oh, you know what? We're
open to dialogue and we can all

675
00:44:52,350 --> 00:44:56,190
get along and No, no, no, you're
worried that advertisers are

676
00:44:56,190 --> 00:44:58,770
going to walk away with you're
honest with yourself about it or

677
00:44:58,770 --> 00:45:01,740
not. I truly believe that I've
been around a long time.

678
00:45:02,220 --> 00:45:05,310
I've got clips to prove it. I
brought receipts. Let's do

679
00:45:05,310 --> 00:45:07,980
that. And then I'll give you the
payoff. What's happening? How

680
00:45:07,980 --> 00:45:08,520
about that?

681
00:45:08,910 --> 00:45:13,260
Yeah. So Ed Ryan, if anybody
hasn't seen his interview with a

682
00:45:13,260 --> 00:45:15,990
think the guy's name is boring,
Jeremy boring, which is

683
00:45:15,990 --> 00:45:17,250
completely unfortunate name.

684
00:45:19,170 --> 00:45:20,490
To some degree, yes.

685
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:24,720
Yeah. At Ryan's radio, he did a
great interview with with the, I

686
00:45:24,720 --> 00:45:28,680
guess he's the co founder or co
owner of daily wire. And it was

687
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:33,780
good in the sense that I feel
like it was very, there was two

688
00:45:33,780 --> 00:45:41,100
sides to this guy. The one side
was he was clearly being very

689
00:45:41,100 --> 00:45:46,410
honest with his emotions. He was
upset. I mean, he said a lot of

690
00:45:46,410 --> 00:45:49,140
stuff. I mean, he was but he did
not hold back in this interview

691
00:45:49,230 --> 00:45:54,870
saying exactly what he thought
about the whole situation. The

692
00:45:54,870 --> 00:45:58,980
others, but there was another
side of it. The other side of it

693
00:45:58,980 --> 00:46:05,520
was, I feel like sort of a
calculated truth, some

694
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:12,840
calculated phrasing, that makes
me think that something has

695
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:18,330
changed. Where there could be
lawsuits, or some sort of

696
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:25,620
seeking after damages for some
of these things. PLAY CLIP one,

697
00:46:25,650 --> 00:46:26,580
and we'll get into.

698
00:46:27,180 --> 00:46:30,360
So I get on this call with one
of the CO owners and, and you

699
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:32,820
know, I was fairly open minded
going into the call, I thought,

700
00:46:32,820 --> 00:46:35,130
you know, with a little luck,
I'll get an apology with a

701
00:46:35,130 --> 00:46:37,890
little luck, they'll take the
tweet down. And maybe we can all

702
00:46:37,890 --> 00:46:41,760
kind of get on, get on with our
lives. And instead, as I

703
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:46,380
mentioned last night on daily
wires backstage podcast, what I

704
00:46:46,380 --> 00:46:50,970
got was just an incredibly
disingenuous phone call in which

705
00:46:51,420 --> 00:46:54,120
this gentleman told me that
there was nothing remotely

706
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:57,360
political about their tweet, and
that they were only actually

707
00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:01,320
upset because they don't really
want podcasters podcast talent,

708
00:47:01,860 --> 00:47:06,000
being at Podcast Network, sorry,
Podcast Movement, a conference

709
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:10,440
that exists for podcasters. So
his argument was, this wasn't

710
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:12,660
political at all. You know, we
were just surprised that Ben

711
00:47:12,660 --> 00:47:15,300
showed up, we don't let talent
show up. And some of our other

712
00:47:15,300 --> 00:47:18,660
sponsors are angry because their
talent wasn't invited. So I hope

713
00:47:18,660 --> 00:47:20,430
you understand that it wasn't
political. And that's all it

714
00:47:20,430 --> 00:47:24,210
was. And, and I'll be honest,
that I kind of choked up a

715
00:47:24,210 --> 00:47:27,750
little bit, my voice broke, I
can utterly adrenalized you have

716
00:47:27,750 --> 00:47:30,420
to understand Ben Shapiro is my
business partner. But Ben

717
00:47:30,420 --> 00:47:35,820
Shapiro is also my friend and
and to be lied to, to my face to

718
00:47:35,820 --> 00:47:39,780
be told that a groveling apology
that says they never should have

719
00:47:39,780 --> 00:47:43,410
taken our money, that our
content is dangerous, that our

720
00:47:43,410 --> 00:47:46,290
very presence causes harm.
You're going to tell me that

721
00:47:46,290 --> 00:47:48,510
this isn't political. You're
going to tell me that this is

722
00:47:48,510 --> 00:47:51,510
Oh, we just don't like for
talent, podcast talent to show

723
00:47:51,510 --> 00:47:55,740
up at our podcast conference.
The the audacity of it.

724
00:47:57,300 --> 00:48:00,690
So, to me, there's two, there's
those two parts of this.

725
00:48:00,690 --> 00:48:06,060
There's, there's the I think he
when he says talks about the

726
00:48:06,060 --> 00:48:09,150
talent, we don't want the talent
showing up. I think that's

727
00:48:09,150 --> 00:48:12,060
legit. I think there's a
legitimate side to that. I bet

728
00:48:12,060 --> 00:48:16,050
you they don't. And the reason
is, when Ben Shapiro walked in

729
00:48:16,050 --> 00:48:21,960
the room, it was like, gosh, I
mean, it's suck everybody to the

730
00:48:21,990 --> 00:48:25,050
to the daily wire booth, even
people who didn't like him. This

731
00:48:25,050 --> 00:48:25,260
is

732
00:48:25,260 --> 00:48:30,330
contrary to every conference
I've ever been involved in. You

733
00:48:30,330 --> 00:48:33,360
want Bill Gates working the
floor walking the floor of

734
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:35,100
Comdex you want you

735
00:48:35,100 --> 00:48:39,000
want it but you want all of them
like this. I think people got

736
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:44,010
pissed because Shapiro showed
up. And it sucked everybody to

737
00:48:44,010 --> 00:48:47,700
the daily wire, including all
the ad money and all that stuff.

738
00:48:47,700 --> 00:48:51,960
It was like everybody, every
other every other agency in the

739
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:56,640
room. saw all the color drain
out is like Okay,

740
00:48:56,640 --> 00:49:00,930
so you know, what do you
Alright, so then why was I

741
00:49:00,930 --> 00:49:03,840
allowed to walk around? Um, no,
Ben Shapiro and my talented

742
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:07,320
people recognize me? Could I be
polarized advertising?

743
00:49:07,890 --> 00:49:11,100
I'm sorry, you don't take you're
not you're not you don't take?

744
00:49:12,780 --> 00:49:15,270
Well, then they made a
calculation by giving him a

745
00:49:15,270 --> 00:49:16,530
booth to start with

746
00:49:17,310 --> 00:49:20,730
that when they said we didn't
expect him to show up and that

747
00:49:20,730 --> 00:49:21,540
was a problem. Okay,

748
00:49:21,540 --> 00:49:24,780
I'll take it back. Yeah, so when
Bill Gates walks the floor, walk

749
00:49:24,780 --> 00:49:27,690
the floor of Comdex he was
controlled by the Comdex people

750
00:49:27,720 --> 00:49:29,820
they made sure that we're
walking with Him they made you

751
00:49:29,820 --> 00:49:33,840
know, Oh, yeah. Okay. It was an
uncontrolled talent visit. Yes.

752
00:49:33,990 --> 00:49:37,920
Uncontrolled talent. It is
uncontrolled money sucking of

753
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:39,780
advertising to one side of the
room

754
00:49:39,810 --> 00:49:44,010
or just you know what it was? Oh
my god. Dave, you've hit on this

755
00:49:44,010 --> 00:49:47,520
is this is why there's two of
us. So in addition to everything

756
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:53,250
I said that the actual event
itself was at least partially

757
00:49:53,250 --> 00:49:57,900
probably motivated by holy fuck
balls. We can't have we can't

758
00:49:57,900 --> 00:50:01,020
have our money you know hanging
out with that. ochre, which is

759
00:50:01,020 --> 00:50:06,720
kind of what it is, right? Yeah.
Good analysis. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

760
00:50:06,750 --> 00:50:07,800
Yeah, that makes sense.

761
00:50:08,370 --> 00:50:12,360
Hit clip hit. I think you
understand now my clip, my clip

762
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:14,610
numbering scheme where I started
with zero instead of one.

763
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:18,600
I played one. Okay, no, I played
zero. I played zero.

764
00:50:18,690 --> 00:50:22,080
You meant one. Yeah, hit number
one hit now hit the actual

765
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:22,650
number one.

766
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:25,350
Sorry, man. But that's that's
not very podcast like to have a

767
00:50:25,350 --> 00:50:26,970
clip named zero binary,

768
00:50:27,180 --> 00:50:27,660
binary.

769
00:50:28,050 --> 00:50:30,120
They think that they're in the
right. They think that they're

770
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:33,270
doing the right thing. They
think that either on an

771
00:50:33,270 --> 00:50:36,330
ideological level that Ben's
presence does cause harm, which

772
00:50:36,330 --> 00:50:38,850
is what they said, so I don't
have to, I don't have to guess

773
00:50:38,850 --> 00:50:41,100
that. That's what they think
it's what they said, We're

774
00:50:41,100 --> 00:50:44,340
dangerous. We cause harm just by
being present, that we cause

775
00:50:44,340 --> 00:50:47,280
pain that we'll be with you
always, or it's just a

776
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:50,310
calculated business decision. In
which case, it's even worse.

777
00:50:50,370 --> 00:50:53,730
Candidly, the owner of Podcast
Movement, who I spoke to twice,

778
00:50:53,850 --> 00:50:57,270
told me that he shares my
politics largely. It makes it

779
00:50:57,270 --> 00:51:01,590
even worse in a calculated
cowardly business decision to be

780
00:51:01,590 --> 00:51:07,110
more afraid of the woke mob than
you are of hearing your own

781
00:51:07,110 --> 00:51:11,040
voice speak bigotry out into the
world, even against people you

782
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:15,150
claim to agree with. Politically
the whole thing is absolutely

783
00:51:15,150 --> 00:51:15,780
disgusting.

784
00:51:16,110 --> 00:51:19,080
You know, now that you framed it
that way for me, Dave I now I'm

785
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:22,020
like, Man, you just yelling the
wind about say this was about

786
00:51:22,020 --> 00:51:25,950
money, bro. Y'all knew why you
were there. You knew bu Ben

787
00:51:25,950 --> 00:51:29,820
would press some flash with some
some some money dudes. Yeah,

788
00:51:29,820 --> 00:51:33,660
this makes sense. Now that's why
they're all good. Well,

789
00:51:34,169 --> 00:51:39,689
that clip right there. I think
that's to me, the veiled. This

790
00:51:39,689 --> 00:51:46,589
one slightly veiled phrasing of,
you know what? You This was a

791
00:51:46,589 --> 00:51:50,849
business decision. It wasn't
honest. And you he talks a

792
00:51:50,849 --> 00:51:53,549
little bit more in this
interview about how the the

793
00:51:53,549 --> 00:51:56,519
origin tweet, evidently I can't
find it anymore. I wish somebody

794
00:51:56,519 --> 00:51:59,339
would find this thing for me
because I would enjoy looking at

795
00:51:59,339 --> 00:52:04,679
it. The the original tweet that
spawned this whole thing. And

796
00:52:04,679 --> 00:52:07,349
I'm glad, by the way, I'm glad
that we took some time to sort

797
00:52:07,349 --> 00:52:12,689
of digest this new hot take.
Because

798
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:16,020
you are so the opposite of what
I view as a hot take.

799
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:23,880
That's what my wife calls me.
But we, because I think we have

800
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:27,420
more clarity on it now. But it's
because he said, I would love to

801
00:52:27,420 --> 00:52:30,600
see this original tweet, because
he mentioned something like, you

802
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:34,200
know, the podcast movie
responded to this one tweet that

803
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:38,580
had non followers or something.
Yeah, this is a real problem

804
00:52:38,970 --> 00:52:45,300
that may be beginning to
manifest itself with either this

805
00:52:45,300 --> 00:52:50,400
event or just recently, where so
you know, the social media

806
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:54,030
companies, Twitter and everybody
have set themselves up with an

807
00:52:54,030 --> 00:52:58,590
editorial role. They've done
that over the past five years,

808
00:52:59,070 --> 00:53:04,020
where they are now firmly
established as editors of the

809
00:53:04,020 --> 00:53:08,490
content that is contained on
their platform. Once you

810
00:53:08,490 --> 00:53:13,440
establish that you are in an
editorial role. If you allow

811
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:19,350
things on your platform that has
actual damage, like monetary

812
00:53:19,350 --> 00:53:23,640
damages associated with it to a
brand, whether it's a brand on

813
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:26,520
the advertising side, or brand
on the advertising money

814
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:30,930
consumption side, it cuts both
ways. brand safety goes in both

815
00:53:30,930 --> 00:53:34,980
directions. Daily wire, it takes
advertising, advertising from

816
00:53:34,980 --> 00:53:37,740
whoever I don't listen to shows,
but they take let's just say

817
00:53:37,740 --> 00:53:43,110
they take advertising from Bank
of America. Well, there's two

818
00:53:43,110 --> 00:53:45,540
brands involved. There's Bank of
America, and there's daily wire.

819
00:53:46,140 --> 00:53:50,190
If anything on Twitter's
platform, if they allow content

820
00:53:50,190 --> 00:53:56,670
to stay up, that that is
damaging to the brand of one or

821
00:53:56,670 --> 00:54:01,020
the other. And it's shown that
that content was malicious or

822
00:54:01,020 --> 00:54:06,150
untruthful. That can be a real
problem for not just for not

823
00:54:06,150 --> 00:54:09,420
just Twitter, but the brands
that are involved. Like there

824
00:54:09,420 --> 00:54:15,120
can be monetary damages. I see
that going bad quick. And if and

825
00:54:15,150 --> 00:54:19,500
to me, that's what he was kind
of hinting at hinting at is that

826
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:23,160
if you because he could play a
play clip to that, which is

827
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:27,240
actually clip through which the
only satisfactory resolution for

828
00:54:27,240 --> 00:54:29,430
you with Podcast Movement at
this point.

829
00:54:29,670 --> 00:54:33,960
I mean, at this point, I don't
know. Certainly nothing short of

830
00:54:34,020 --> 00:54:39,330
deleting these bigoted tweets,
apologizing for your bigotry

831
00:54:39,450 --> 00:54:45,570
with the same at least the same
level of self effacing criticism

832
00:54:45,570 --> 00:54:49,170
and passion that you grovelled
before the woke mob with I mean,

833
00:54:49,170 --> 00:54:51,360
I would think that if you
actually are going to give that

834
00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:53,850
kind of five or six tweet
apology, it should be for

835
00:54:53,850 --> 00:54:57,180
something you actually did
wrong. And it was not wrong to

836
00:54:57,180 --> 00:54:59,970
let the sixth largest podcasting
company in the country.

837
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:03,870
participate in your podcast
conference, it was wrong to

838
00:55:03,870 --> 00:55:08,130
express abject bigotry against
speech against Ben Shapiro, and

839
00:55:08,130 --> 00:55:11,250
to commit to Podcast Movement
being a neutral conference. I

840
00:55:11,250 --> 00:55:14,130
mean, that's been my stance
since the very first time that I

841
00:55:14,130 --> 00:55:17,910
spoke to anyone involved. That's
what I've asked for. Today,

842
00:55:17,910 --> 00:55:20,400
would it be enough? I don't
know. Right? I mean, they've had

843
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:22,740
these tweets up there for so
long now they've shown such

844
00:55:22,740 --> 00:55:25,980
disrespect. They obviously don't
care. I don't know if it would

845
00:55:25,980 --> 00:55:27,720
be enough, but it would be a
damn good start.

846
00:55:28,500 --> 00:55:30,600
What do you think this means for
Podcast Movement, the

847
00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:34,530
conference, do you think it will
have any impact on it, and you

848
00:55:34,530 --> 00:55:38,310
can stop it that the point there
is that, you know, he's really

849
00:55:38,310 --> 00:55:40,500
focusing on you need to take
these tweets down, they're

850
00:55:40,500 --> 00:55:45,390
bigots, they're bigoted, they're
defamatory. The angle he's

851
00:55:45,390 --> 00:55:49,800
taking is that this causes them.
This caused them damn real world

852
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:54,510
material damage. And that,
that's what's going to happen.

853
00:55:55,110 --> 00:56:00,060
I don't I mean, okay, so I know
a little bit about Daly wires

854
00:56:00,060 --> 00:56:04,140
operation. They don't have they
also don't have big national

855
00:56:04,140 --> 00:56:08,190
brands. I don't believe they
have Bank of America. In fact,

856
00:56:08,190 --> 00:56:12,600
famously, Harry's razor pulled
their advertising from daily

857
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:16,950
wire and the Podcast Network.
And that boring guy right away

858
00:56:16,950 --> 00:56:19,740
said, Okay, I'm starting the
boring shaver company was quite

859
00:56:19,740 --> 00:56:22,530
a successful launch and PR
campaign, I have no idea how

860
00:56:22,530 --> 00:56:28,440
it's going now. They are. These
are like, you know, Shapiro was

861
00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:33,930
famous for segwaying into gold,
you need to buy gold. These are

862
00:56:33,930 --> 00:56:39,930
not, these are not big brand
names. And that's what the

863
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:43,140
podcast industrial complex is
after they're after the big the

864
00:56:43,140 --> 00:56:45,840
big names, the big money, the
big spots, that's where all the

865
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:52,320
money is you go big or go home.
But if you're a podcaster, but

866
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:54,750
certainly if you're a podcast
consultant, I gave some advice

867
00:56:54,750 --> 00:56:58,740
in the last board meeting. It's
like you can easily consult

868
00:56:58,740 --> 00:57:01,710
people on value for value. And
it may come in handy if you

869
00:57:01,710 --> 00:57:06,000
start sharpening up those
skills. Because I just It

870
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:11,160
started today. Now all of a
sudden, I'm hearing Silicon

871
00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:19,500
Valley people and lawmakers,
congressmen and women talking

872
00:57:19,500 --> 00:57:25,410
about the evil tick tock, tick
tock has to be it's clearly a

873
00:57:25,410 --> 00:57:30,150
surveillance machine from the
CCP. And I'm like, hold on a

874
00:57:30,150 --> 00:57:34,590
second. You're telling me now
that suddenly there's consensus

875
00:57:34,680 --> 00:57:38,910
about something orange man said.
Because this is this is Trump's

876
00:57:38,910 --> 00:57:48,900
thing. Like this stinks. And of
course it does. Google. Of

877
00:57:48,900 --> 00:57:53,850
course, meta with Instagram,
they are shitting themselves,

878
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:58,080
the markets know it all the
money. All the advertising money

879
00:57:58,080 --> 00:58:02,370
is going to Tik Tok. It's all
funneling there and it's highly

880
00:58:02,370 --> 00:58:07,320
successful. It traps people It
grabs them in the music business

881
00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:13,050
is in their Spotify, it should
also pay attention. Tick tock I

882
00:58:13,050 --> 00:58:15,900
mean, he just some headlines
have put a lot of them in the in

883
00:58:15,900 --> 00:58:21,150
the shownotes. Forbes tiktoks
takeover of marketing and

884
00:58:21,150 --> 00:58:27,060
commerce in 2022. Google exec
suggests here one is this from

885
00:58:27,060 --> 00:58:32,040
TechCrunch. And this is from
July, Google execs execs suggest

886
00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:36,930
Instagram and Tiktok are eating
into Google SCorp core products,

887
00:58:37,140 --> 00:58:41,760
Search and Maps. People are
searching on Tik Tok for a

888
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:47,040
restaurant and they're getting a
cool tick tock video. I see so

889
00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:50,820
it's heading into search. Of
course we know Instagram has

890
00:58:50,820 --> 00:58:54,780
issues. Now we get and this was
the big news at the DEA

891
00:58:54,780 --> 00:59:02,190
Conference, which is where it
got my attention. The the CEO of

892
00:59:03,750 --> 00:59:09,840
Axel Springer, huge media
company said what do you say

893
00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:13,320
tick tock should be banned in
every democracy? Yeah, sure.

894
00:59:14,100 --> 00:59:18,510
Eating his advertising dollar
lunch. That's what's going on

895
00:59:18,510 --> 00:59:22,710
here. Now, check this out.
Google. This is Bloomberg,

896
00:59:22,830 --> 00:59:28,740
Google and meta. Find video app
success in India after Tik Tok

897
00:59:28,740 --> 00:59:36,450
is banned. Oh, you don't say.
And then finally, the FCC

898
00:59:36,450 --> 00:59:42,510
commissioner. And I do not know
I don't I looked and look at the

899
00:59:42,510 --> 00:59:48,960
background of Brendan Carr says
Tiktok serious national security

900
00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:52,620
threat we have to take action.
Well bullshit. First of all, I

901
00:59:52,620 --> 00:59:56,880
know firsthand it's LexisNexis
that does all the signups and

902
00:59:56,880 --> 01:00:00,840
verification so you know pretty
American. company that's in the

903
01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:01,500
middle there

904
01:00:01,890 --> 01:00:05,910
is a do that for tick tock
there. Yeah, they do a different

905
01:00:05,970 --> 01:00:12,120
networks. So it's not just all
CCP. Although, is it any better?

906
01:00:12,390 --> 01:00:16,500
No Oracle's in there, so okay,
the CIA's in there. This is

907
01:00:16,500 --> 01:00:20,550
about Silicon Valley losing
their lunch. And with it, some

908
01:00:20,550 --> 01:00:24,390
of the streamers are in trouble
to the streaming platforms. So

909
01:00:24,390 --> 01:00:27,090
the first thing to get cut from
the budget is going to be that

910
01:00:27,090 --> 01:00:31,200
complicated podcasting, because,
you know, like, they got issues.

911
01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:35,100
And as you know, there's we had
some diversity fight, and I

912
01:00:35,100 --> 01:00:37,650
don't really know, but yes, take
them off the list. Let's double

913
01:00:37,650 --> 01:00:38,790
down the buy in tick tock.

914
01:00:39,990 --> 01:00:43,290
Yeah. Because that's, that's
more the sure thing, of course,

915
01:00:43,290 --> 01:00:45,930
is you stay away from the
kryptonite, as you said,

916
01:00:46,020 --> 01:00:50,100
and there's no you know, and,
and, and the The Tick Tock algo

917
01:00:50,100 --> 01:00:54,540
is so highly tuned for you. I
mean, I don't know if you're, if

918
01:00:54,540 --> 01:00:59,460
your kids have tick tock, but
it's very addictive. It's really

919
01:00:59,460 --> 01:00:59,610
a

920
01:00:59,970 --> 01:01:02,760
very addict. I mean, they do
have but I know

921
01:01:02,760 --> 01:01:05,880
grown. Man, I know, adults were
like, Oh, check this shit out on

922
01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:06,420
tick tock

923
01:01:07,319 --> 01:01:10,619
refused install that crap. I
cannot and we

924
01:01:10,620 --> 01:01:14,220
are a tick tock free home. So
that

925
01:01:14,819 --> 01:01:18,929
you will and that, just to add
to what you said, in the

926
01:01:18,929 --> 01:01:22,349
security world, this this past
couple of weeks, there was a

927
01:01:22,349 --> 01:01:28,769
tick tock, quote, unquote,
breach. That still doesn't. It's

928
01:01:28,769 --> 01:01:33,149
still not entirely clear. You
know, people have come down and

929
01:01:33,149 --> 01:01:37,319
said, Okay, well, this is a fake
breach. I'm still not sure. I

930
01:01:37,319 --> 01:01:42,299
mean, there's I don't know. But
there was a suppose had like 2

931
01:01:42,299 --> 01:01:47,969
billion record user breach. Oh,
from tick tock. I mean, there

932
01:01:47,999 --> 01:01:50,819
you're right. There's there's
definitely some tick tock synth

933
01:01:50,909 --> 01:01:54,329
sintered outrage going on right
now.

934
01:01:55,140 --> 01:01:59,070
And I'm sure that it's valid,
but they're using that to get

935
01:01:59,070 --> 01:02:02,490
rid of it because they are just
anyone who's in marketing go

936
01:02:02,490 --> 01:02:05,880
look around, let's, let's just
be honest with each other.

937
01:02:06,180 --> 01:02:09,240
That's what this is about. Shit.
Tick tock is eating our lunch.

938
01:02:09,240 --> 01:02:14,550
What do we have? Well, we have a
brand safety and suitability.

939
01:02:15,660 --> 01:02:21,780
that'll sell. Yeah, but you're,
you're dynamically inserted ads,

940
01:02:21,810 --> 01:02:27,780
I think the money's going to
tick tock I just do. So luckily,

941
01:02:28,440 --> 01:02:35,370
value for value. You're soaking
in it right now. We don't need

942
01:02:35,370 --> 01:02:38,640
any of this yet. We also don't
need lists that we need to be

943
01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:43,380
on. We don't need to be on
wholeness, we we need loops, not

944
01:02:43,380 --> 01:02:48,000
lists. Oh, that's a t shirt.
Thank you. Feedback loops are

945
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:51,930
the key, use the payment
mechanism for the messaging.

946
01:02:52,680 --> 01:02:58,560
This is what works. Remember to
ask loops, not lists. Lists are

947
01:02:58,560 --> 01:03:02,160
unimportant. You want to you
want to have a loop with your

948
01:03:02,160 --> 01:03:06,060
audience. You want them to loop
other people in, hopefully your

949
01:03:06,060 --> 01:03:09,600
loop can connect to another
loop. Like Rogen, I we connected

950
01:03:09,600 --> 01:03:12,270
in the Rogen loop, even though
he doesn't really do his loop.

951
01:03:14,040 --> 01:03:21,180
He's loop de loop. Loop. I got
lost in the loop edge. But you

952
01:03:21,180 --> 01:03:25,320
know what I want, I'm saying
there's like, it really does

953
01:03:25,320 --> 01:03:28,980
work when you commit to it.
People are lazy, they've been

954
01:03:28,980 --> 01:03:32,730
hoodwinked into thinking you can
go to a conference, and you'll

955
01:03:32,730 --> 01:03:36,720
come back with ways to make
money on advertising. No. And

956
01:03:36,720 --> 01:03:40,890
there's no reason to most don't
really deserve to make money.

957
01:03:41,250 --> 01:03:47,910
Unless it is earned from a loop
earn from your community, then

958
01:03:47,910 --> 01:03:51,900
it's honest, it's sincere. It'll
keep it keeps everybody in check

959
01:03:51,900 --> 01:03:53,460
the whole system works.

960
01:03:55,290 --> 01:04:01,320
Eric P just linked over to
whitehouse.gov. Read Out of

961
01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:04,620
White House listening session on
tech platform accountability

962
01:04:04,650 --> 01:04:07,560
through accountability September
8, it

963
01:04:07,560 --> 01:04:12,450
was yesterday. Although tech
platforms can help keep us

964
01:04:12,450 --> 01:04:15,480
connected, create a vibrant
marketplace of ideas and open up

965
01:04:15,510 --> 01:04:17,880
new opportunities for bringing
products to the world. They can

966
01:04:17,880 --> 01:04:21,960
also divide us and wreak serious
real world harms. Interesting.

967
01:04:22,320 --> 01:04:23,610
So this must be

968
01:04:24,120 --> 01:04:28,380
well they can and if you put a
whole city into or a whole state

969
01:04:28,920 --> 01:04:32,970
into one square and let everyone
talks equally as loud, we'd be

970
01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:35,790
massacre, of course to

971
01:04:36,060 --> 01:04:38,970
provide one of the principles
provide robust federal

972
01:04:38,970 --> 01:04:42,240
protections for Americans
privacy. There you go. There's

973
01:04:42,240 --> 01:04:46,170
your anti tick tock. Protect our
kids by putting in place even

974
01:04:46,170 --> 01:04:48,450
stronger privacy and online
protections for them. Yeah, this

975
01:04:48,450 --> 01:04:49,260
is all anti tic

976
01:04:49,260 --> 01:04:53,610
toc. Is this a? Is this just a
report from the listening

977
01:04:53,610 --> 01:04:56,730
session? This is a precursor to
legislation because it can't be

978
01:04:56,730 --> 01:04:59,100
executive order. It has to be
legislation.

979
01:04:59,460 --> 01:05:01,920
And this is the Meeting this is
the meeting for the Masons the

980
01:05:01,920 --> 01:05:03,510
breeding for the meeting. Okay,
this,

981
01:05:04,080 --> 01:05:05,520
this is the setup. Yeah,

982
01:05:05,790 --> 01:05:08,970
remove number four remove
special legal protections for

983
01:05:08,970 --> 01:05:11,100
large tech platforms. But just

984
01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:14,580
I just want people to realize
the power that is being put into

985
01:05:14,580 --> 01:05:17,820
place here. This is Silicon
Valley. They know exactly what

986
01:05:17,820 --> 01:05:21,660
they're doing. And they were
completely new when Trump was

987
01:05:21,660 --> 01:05:25,740
talking about CCP these people
are insincere full of shit. They

988
01:05:25,740 --> 01:05:31,800
want tick tock gone because tick
tock is taking their money out

989
01:05:31,800 --> 01:05:34,260
and Tik Tok is great at it.
That's the problem.

990
01:05:37,530 --> 01:05:40,380
Five is the increased
transparency about platforms

991
01:05:40,380 --> 01:05:43,140
algorithms and content
moderation decisions. Algorithm.

992
01:05:43,140 --> 01:05:49,020
Yep. Yeah, yes. As you go.
Because the the pled detect it

993
01:05:49,020 --> 01:05:52,200
right. Do you talk to you about
tick tock? It's, they're in love

994
01:05:52,200 --> 01:05:56,280
with algorithm. It's algo
they've got the best algo Yeah,

995
01:05:56,310 --> 01:05:59,430
you know, yeah. And it's eaten
everybody's lunch and they don't

996
01:05:59,430 --> 01:06:02,490
want. They don't they want to
get rid of the algo. Or at least

997
01:06:02,490 --> 01:06:04,530
expose it so everybody else can
do it, too.

998
01:06:04,830 --> 01:06:09,390
Exactly. I love it. Let's look
at our own algo for a second.

999
01:06:09,390 --> 01:06:13,590
Thanks. Some of the live
boosters we've had. coming in.

1000
01:06:13,710 --> 01:06:18,840
Boost. 1212 from anonymous, Adam
and Dave are gonna save us from

1001
01:06:18,840 --> 01:06:25,170
the podcast industrial complex.
Yes. The BSC Yes, indeed. Hard

1002
01:06:25,170 --> 01:06:31,320
Hat 11,111 Go podcast, podcast.
Martin Linda's code. Wow. He

1003
01:06:31,320 --> 01:06:35,520
says with a row of ducks. 2222 I
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1004
01:06:35,820 --> 01:06:40,770
during live thanks pod verse row
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1005
01:06:40,770 --> 01:06:47,100
thanks from Martin. 1000 from
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1006
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another 11,111 from Pfeiffer
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1007
01:06:53,340 --> 01:06:58,770
podcast. There's blueberry with
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1008
01:06:58,770 --> 01:07:02,340
think of a way to list producer
credits. Right now they're

1009
01:07:02,340 --> 01:07:05,130
listed on top of our weekly
substack release. Is it possible

1010
01:07:05,130 --> 01:07:08,790
to list a producer and the role
in a person tag? We tried

1011
01:07:08,790 --> 01:07:12,090
writing producers into the
social interact tag, but besides

1012
01:07:12,120 --> 01:07:15,510
decide to post images and links
to our T shirts there instead,

1013
01:07:15,900 --> 01:07:20,250
listen to exactly what the
person tag is for.

1014
01:07:20,610 --> 01:07:25,440
Yeah, yeah, that's it, the
person tag links to the podcast

1015
01:07:25,440 --> 01:07:29,760
taxonomy for the for the role
and group. I'm trying to pull it

1016
01:07:29,760 --> 01:07:30,270
out. Now.

1017
01:07:30,390 --> 01:07:34,050
If you if you use sovereign
feeds, just maybe just start a

1018
01:07:34,050 --> 01:07:38,130
test feed or import your
existing one. You can go to cast

1019
01:07:39,390 --> 01:07:41,550
and you'll see and you can
that's where you can enter

1020
01:07:41,550 --> 01:07:45,480
pictures of people on the show
their roles, and it's very

1021
01:07:45,480 --> 01:07:46,200
extensive.

1022
01:07:47,100 --> 01:07:51,420
The full taxonomy list is on.
You have creative director,

1023
01:07:51,840 --> 01:07:54,900
assistant director, executive
producer producers, Senior

1024
01:07:54,900 --> 01:07:58,590
Producer, Associate Producer
development producer. Yeah, all

1025
01:07:58,590 --> 01:08:02,370
that stuff's in there. You just
need the roll and the grin and

1026
01:08:02,370 --> 01:08:03,540
possibly the group.

1027
01:08:06,120 --> 01:08:10,830
Chat F one on one on one. The
Adam, are you going to are you

1028
01:08:10,830 --> 01:08:15,210
going on Tim cast to school them
on the history of podcasting?

1029
01:08:15,960 --> 01:08:20,730
Brother. This is so dumb. I
guess they had a conversation.

1030
01:08:20,730 --> 01:08:23,820
Oh, who started pie who was the
first pie whatever the question

1031
01:08:23,820 --> 01:08:27,060
was, that was like, well, it was
Adam curry. No, no, no, no, he

1032
01:08:27,060 --> 01:08:31,020
sold it to Apple. No, he's, I
mean, this is this is the level

1033
01:08:31,020 --> 01:08:34,470
of it right? Like, and then I
think II and a lot of people

1034
01:08:34,470 --> 01:08:37,050
want me to go on Tim, Tim Poole.
But I think Tim Poole doesn't

1035
01:08:37,050 --> 01:08:43,290
like me and probably rightly so
because I made fun of him. Just

1036
01:08:43,290 --> 01:08:43,770
like

1037
01:08:44,940 --> 01:08:48,420
Steve Jobs pay you for for
podcasts as well as when you

1038
01:08:48,420 --> 01:08:49,170
already bought it for me

1039
01:08:49,170 --> 01:08:51,870
part of the agreement. I'm not
allowed to say that. I sold it

1040
01:08:51,870 --> 01:08:53,700
to them. So that's that. Okay.

1041
01:08:54,000 --> 01:08:55,800
He gave you a national security.

1042
01:08:57,060 --> 01:09:04,440
I did. Blueberry 17,776 Big
freedom boost. This is a new lit

1043
01:09:04,440 --> 01:09:10,800
son of a bitch. Okay. Oh, he got
you. And that is except for some

1044
01:09:10,800 --> 01:09:15,840
smaller ones. There it is. Thank
you very much for your live

1045
01:09:15,840 --> 01:09:17,730
booster which thanks some other
people while we're at it.

1046
01:09:18,570 --> 01:09:21,360
Do Oh, is it that time there we
already been talking for

1047
01:09:21,389 --> 01:09:25,439
Well, I mean, we solved three of
the world's problems in the

1048
01:09:25,439 --> 01:09:29,189
first 30 minutes. I figured we
thank everybody and then we can

1049
01:09:29,189 --> 01:09:30,719
solve some more world problems.

1050
01:09:30,780 --> 01:09:36,510
Sure. Let me flip over to the
boost stay to the boost

1051
01:09:36,510 --> 01:09:38,970
dashboard. Also known as my
email.

1052
01:09:39,210 --> 01:09:42,510
Nice dashboard.

1053
01:09:46,319 --> 01:09:47,909
Let's see later mommy.

1054
01:09:52,740 --> 01:09:53,850
Dashboard.

1055
01:09:56,130 --> 01:09:59,190
Some somehow just the word
dashboard, it's just going to

1056
01:09:59,190 --> 01:10:04,710
screws it all up. Just like sad
trumpet or whatever it is.

1057
01:10:05,400 --> 01:10:09,600
Because we flip through here and
make sure I can find my starting

1058
01:10:09,600 --> 01:10:10,050
play.

1059
01:10:10,080 --> 01:10:11,580
I catch you off guard there
Dave.

1060
01:10:11,700 --> 01:10:13,290
You caught me off guard. Oh,
here we go. All right.

1061
01:10:13,650 --> 01:10:16,290
All right or one time. You know,
it's like we're having a good

1062
01:10:16,290 --> 01:10:17,490
time. Right.

1063
01:10:18,060 --> 01:10:24,060
Liberty boost from sourced 1776
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1064
01:10:24,060 --> 01:10:27,900
Boob donation from again from
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1065
01:10:31,350 --> 01:10:36,660
calculate gets you Okay, gotcha.
Dubs. C dubs fire. 100. Fire.

1066
01:10:39,870 --> 01:10:43,500
Yeah, that's what that was
about. 3333 from see Brooklyn

1067
01:10:43,500 --> 01:10:48,090
112 And no note 100,000 SATs
from blueberry.

1068
01:10:48,180 --> 01:10:51,000
Ooh, nice. Thank you. Hey, says

1069
01:10:52,110 --> 01:10:54,930
this is air horn, air horn air
horn. First things I asked

1070
01:10:54,930 --> 01:10:58,260
myself beginning of 2020 was
what the hell is an RSS feed has

1071
01:10:58,260 --> 01:10:59,820
been a sick ride. Thank you
both.

1072
01:11:00,570 --> 01:11:03,810
Wait ahead. I had a special one.
I have a special air horn. AIR

1073
01:11:03,810 --> 01:11:05,280
HORN air horn. There you go.

1074
01:11:08,760 --> 01:11:13,860
See, some of these are overlap
from the last show. I didn't

1075
01:11:13,860 --> 01:11:16,050
know where to start. I didn't
know what the cutoff time was.

1076
01:11:16,110 --> 01:11:18,990
I'm sorry. i We should probably
get out of that in the future.

1077
01:11:19,410 --> 01:11:24,000
We probably should I need to
look at the clock. Oh, Billy.

1078
01:11:24,180 --> 01:11:28,470
Billy Bones. 3333 says thank you
for creating podcasting. 2.0

1079
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Yes, thank you. Bhumi boom. You
just sent us 10,000 SATs. donco

1080
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Thanks. Boom, duck. I'm good.
I'm getting there with API

1081
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Bhoomi I'm getting there. It's
going through

1082
01:11:40,140 --> 01:11:43,560
we will make it work harder.
Boom a will put on a pizza under

1083
01:11:43,560 --> 01:11:44,220
the draw.

1084
01:11:46,950 --> 01:11:52,980
Blueberry send us 17 776 Super
Liberty boost. And he says hello

1085
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Boosey ALAAP Hillman.

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Right on Instagram.

1087
01:12:00,210 --> 01:12:04,980
He says Karen Karen for the mere
mortals podcast and it's 100,100

1088
01:12:04,980 --> 01:12:08,640
says from curio caster. He says
I've been blessed a special

1089
01:12:08,640 --> 01:12:11,100
number episode and at the time I
can join I was actually

1090
01:12:11,100 --> 01:12:15,510
explaining podcasting 2.0 at a
crypto meetup recently. And

1091
01:12:15,510 --> 01:12:18,150
people really got it when I
related how splits can be used

1092
01:12:18,270 --> 01:12:21,300
for musicians and out to show
them at the same time would be

1093
01:12:21,300 --> 01:12:28,830
amazing. Nice. streamers and
dreamers. From sup sup yo, sup

1094
01:12:28,860 --> 01:12:33,900
3333 Blueberry against that.
Adam, have you seen what Sir

1095
01:12:33,900 --> 01:12:37,950
bemrose wrote up? Playlists? A
lot of these shows have their

1096
01:12:37,950 --> 01:12:41,850
own IRC room too. It's under
playlist.no agenda.

1097
01:12:41,850 --> 01:12:44,490
stream.com/live-shows.

1098
01:12:45,780 --> 01:12:52,530
No, I have not no agenda
stream.com/live shows dot htm

1099
01:12:55,080 --> 01:13:01,950
No, it's live dash shows slash
await playlist I know agenda

1100
01:13:01,950 --> 01:13:09,270
stream.com/live-shows/why The
two hour folk our slash

1101
01:13:10,680 --> 01:13:16,980
rock'n'roll pre show. It's just
a schedule. Okay schedule when

1102
01:13:16,980 --> 01:13:17,880
all the shows come through.

1103
01:13:17,910 --> 01:13:21,870
All right. Well, let's see. Are
we on the schedule? Friday?

1104
01:13:21,900 --> 01:13:26,490
Yeah, we're on the schedule,
although it says 1700 So we're

1105
01:13:26,490 --> 01:13:30,990
really 730 Yeah, well, that's
UTC.

1106
01:13:31,530 --> 01:13:34,170
That's old. Okay. Yeah, we're,
we're,

1107
01:13:34,410 --> 01:13:38,550
we're on the schedule. Man. We
matter of hours early. Yeah. All

1108
01:13:38,550 --> 01:13:40,500
right. Thanks. We're late every
week.

1109
01:13:41,490 --> 01:13:45,150
Gene Everett says Happy hundo
with 10,000 says thank you.

1110
01:13:45,210 --> 01:13:47,610
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
Mike.

1111
01:13:47,610 --> 01:13:53,460
Dale says he of blueberry sent
us 1073 SATs through fountain

1112
01:13:53,460 --> 01:13:59,730
and he says congratulations on
100 episodes 73 d k, away. 73 d

1113
01:13:59,730 --> 01:14:01,350
k eight l m j

1114
01:14:01,770 --> 01:14:04,290
70. Threes kilo five Alpha
Charlie Charlie

1115
01:14:05,940 --> 01:14:10,620
Ober citadel. 4949. No note.
Thank you, Albert citadel. Oh,

1116
01:14:10,620 --> 01:14:12,570
wow, there's a string of these.
He must have held down the

1117
01:14:12,570 --> 01:14:22,380
button. Because it's just like
for enough, another 1/3 1456788

1118
01:14:22,740 --> 01:14:27,330
Bad Boys. I don't know. What is
that? What? Eight times 4949

1119
01:14:29,550 --> 01:14:33,300
I have no idea. Should I be
checking the channels for this

1120
01:14:33,300 --> 01:14:34,650
one? No,

1121
01:14:35,010 --> 01:14:39,510
that'll be yes, that bed is a
lot Thank you over citadel. Wow.

1122
01:14:40,020 --> 01:14:44,550
Anonymous through cast emetics
and it's 21,722 SATs and no

1123
01:14:44,550 --> 01:14:45,000
note.

1124
01:14:45,030 --> 01:14:47,910
Okay, but thank you anyway, I
appreciate that.

1125
01:14:48,630 --> 01:14:55,020
We SuperCoder is what that is
anonymous again 2223 to roadex

1126
01:14:55,020 --> 01:15:01,110
through cast ematic Thank you.
Oh, Roy Schonfeld. Hi 3000 SATs

1127
01:15:01,740 --> 01:15:05,820
boost Whoa. That's off brand for
him.

1128
01:15:06,240 --> 01:15:10,200
It is off brand. I was expecting
some 54321 and he caught me off

1129
01:15:10,200 --> 01:15:10,440
guard.

1130
01:15:10,439 --> 01:15:12,419
I think we need to do a wellness
check.

1131
01:15:13,320 --> 01:15:16,740
Well, no, no 100,000 SATs.
That's well, he's well,

1132
01:15:16,770 --> 01:15:19,110
he's very well. Doing well and

1133
01:15:19,919 --> 01:15:24,239
100 100 episodes. Wow, mind
blown. Thank you, Roy Roy.

1134
01:15:24,239 --> 01:15:29,219
Thanks, brother. Appreciate it,
man. Sergeant apple.

1135
01:15:29,310 --> 01:15:31,950
i By the way, 100 guns. And
thank you, Roy, thank you for

1136
01:15:31,950 --> 01:15:35,610
being a part of every single one
in one way or the other. Breeze

1137
01:15:35,610 --> 01:15:40,230
even being on it. Yeah, yes. And
Brees just being a phenomenal

1138
01:15:40,260 --> 01:15:41,490
piece of the puzzle here.

1139
01:15:42,510 --> 01:15:46,110
Sergeant Apple sent us 5000 SATs
through fountain he says Happy

1140
01:15:46,110 --> 01:15:48,090
100 guys. Thank you Sarge.

1141
01:15:48,120 --> 01:15:51,420
Thank you. Sarge,

1142
01:15:51,810 --> 01:15:56,490
Mere Mortals. Karen and one over
there son his 10,101 SATs and he

1143
01:15:56,490 --> 01:15:59,940
says amazing episode guys. V for
V talk and a smooth Aussie

1144
01:15:59,940 --> 01:16:03,270
accent. What more could a
listener want? By the way that

1145
01:16:03,270 --> 01:16:06,300
Jas ISO is my new favorite. You
still get that?

1146
01:16:06,330 --> 01:16:13,800
Oh yes, yes, I do have it here.
It's kind of cool. He's apple.

1147
01:16:13,800 --> 01:16:15,240
Come and talk to us, please.

1148
01:16:19,500 --> 01:16:22,890
Gene Everett 100,000 SATs
through fountain at CES proper

1149
01:16:22,890 --> 01:16:25,770
show 100 booths cheers, Dave and
Adam. Oh, thank

1150
01:16:25,770 --> 01:16:27,030
you, Jen. Cheers, cheers.

1151
01:16:28,890 --> 01:16:34,110
John cIgi 4761 SATs through the
Python boost app of which he

1152
01:16:34,110 --> 01:16:37,920
built. He says Hi, Dave and Adam
and listeners of podcasting. 2.0

1153
01:16:38,280 --> 01:16:40,920
Brian of London's Python example
code with attitude helped me

1154
01:16:40,920 --> 01:16:43,530
make this booster grand
possible. Oh feels like some

1155
01:16:43,530 --> 01:16:46,770
kind of hive mind and I dig it
anyway. I encourage anyone that

1156
01:16:46,770 --> 01:16:49,080
isn't already listening to
causality to visit engineer dot

1157
01:16:49,080 --> 01:16:52,140
network, because we analyze what
went right and what went wrong.

1158
01:16:52,140 --> 01:16:54,300
And we discovered that many
outcomes can be predicted

1159
01:16:54,510 --> 01:16:57,660
planned for and even prevented,
and you to decide if the

1160
01:16:57,660 --> 01:17:01,560
listener that called me dreaming
narrator was right or not. So

1161
01:17:01,560 --> 01:17:04,230
that's how you do weekly
advertising on another.

1162
01:17:05,430 --> 01:17:08,580
And thanks for being on the
show, man. It was fun. That was

1163
01:17:08,580 --> 01:17:09,120
a lot of fun.

1164
01:17:09,750 --> 01:17:13,530
Pirate huddle sent us 33 seats
ready three fountain faces

1165
01:17:13,560 --> 01:17:15,150
belated Happy Birthday, Adam.

1166
01:17:15,210 --> 01:17:16,680
Oh, thank you.

1167
01:17:19,290 --> 01:17:23,220
I was expecting that'd be your
50 A Ryan's I am. Haven't seen a

1168
01:17:23,220 --> 01:17:24,720
5858 boost you

1169
01:17:25,290 --> 01:17:26,910
know No, it'll happen.

1170
01:17:27,870 --> 01:17:31,560
Mary Oscar also known as Oscar
Mary says fell through fountain

1171
01:17:31,560 --> 01:17:33,900
Easton is 100,100 sets

1172
01:17:33,930 --> 01:17:35,190
nice.

1173
01:17:39,870 --> 01:17:43,350
And he says congrats Dave and
Adam on 100 episodes. Apologies

1174
01:17:43,350 --> 01:17:45,480
to everyone listening on
fountain for the recent issues.

1175
01:17:45,480 --> 01:17:49,050
Payment API's have now been
refactored in boosts much

1176
01:17:49,050 --> 01:17:51,420
faster. Give it a try. Go
podcasting.

1177
01:17:51,450 --> 01:17:57,240
Yeah, see, this is why this is
why it didn't solicit 58 sat

1178
01:17:57,240 --> 01:18:01,140
boosts. You don't want to steer
people in the wrong direction

1179
01:18:01,140 --> 01:18:03,480
when they're celebrating
100,000.

1180
01:18:05,610 --> 01:18:07,920
You You're what is known as a
professional.

1181
01:18:08,460 --> 01:18:13,350
Well, I can consult because I'll
consult you on how to do value

1182
01:18:13,350 --> 01:18:17,520
for value. I need to a hefty
split in your blog, but I'll

1183
01:18:17,520 --> 01:18:17,940
take it

1184
01:18:19,980 --> 01:18:23,280
am still a Padawan I'm still a
cricket and cricket, Auburn

1185
01:18:23,280 --> 01:18:30,090
Citadel cricket. In that where
he takes the Kung Fu Show with

1186
01:18:30,090 --> 01:18:30,630
David.

1187
01:18:31,500 --> 01:18:37,290
Oh, Grasshopper, grasshopper.
Grasshopper, where you can take

1188
01:18:37,290 --> 01:18:40,170
the pebbles from my hand at this
time. You've grasshopper

1189
01:18:40,980 --> 01:18:43,650
over citadel 100,000 SATs and he
said

1190
01:18:43,650 --> 01:18:45,450
I love boost. Yes.

1191
01:18:47,370 --> 01:18:50,850
And now as the French say it is
timeful

1192
01:18:51,090 --> 01:18:57,600
reboost. That was our French guy
doing Benjamin wish me happy

1193
01:18:57,600 --> 01:18:58,980
birthday Benjamin Bellamy.

1194
01:18:59,400 --> 01:19:00,990
He did. Oh, yeah.

1195
01:19:01,019 --> 01:19:05,849
I'm like any anybody else? I
did. I just I

1196
01:19:05,940 --> 01:19:10,320
just kidding. Donkey sent us 100
SATs and he says exactly.

1197
01:19:10,350 --> 01:19:12,780
SoundCloud is a scam. Okay.

1198
01:19:13,019 --> 01:19:16,619
Okay. So Oh, it doesn't mean we
can't be in on it.

1199
01:19:18,810 --> 01:19:24,420
If there's a good scam going
join the party. Part B, send us

1200
01:19:24,420 --> 01:19:30,210
1500 says no, no, thank you.
Part B. C dubs send us a few.

1201
01:19:30,210 --> 01:19:33,750
Oh, looks like they're testing
stuff. I love this. Every week.

1202
01:19:33,750 --> 01:19:36,600
There's always a certain amount
of boosts that come through.

1203
01:19:36,600 --> 01:19:39,450
They're like small amounts.
There's like test you're getting

1204
01:19:39,450 --> 01:19:41,040
this Yeah, buddy. There

1205
01:19:41,070 --> 01:19:45,720
is yes. Integration test. Okay,
it works. Yeah, those those are

1206
01:19:45,720 --> 01:19:46,320
pretty funny.

1207
01:19:46,530 --> 01:19:50,430
Just called boosting with
testing with live money. Yeah.

1208
01:19:50,580 --> 01:19:55,830
Oh, McCormick. 1234 says I'm
slowly pushing my musician

1209
01:19:55,830 --> 01:19:58,860
friends towards value for value
in streaming sets. The intention

1210
01:19:58,860 --> 01:20:01,470
is there. It's just a matter of
Time rocket ship heart.

1211
01:20:02,909 --> 01:20:04,049
rocket ship heart.

1212
01:20:05,070 --> 01:20:08,850
Ajax J Jackson School of
podcasting the Hall of Famer

1213
01:20:08,850 --> 01:20:12,240
sent us 5000 SATs no note all
bomber wanted to know from Dave.

1214
01:20:12,540 --> 01:20:18,330
Dave. mega boost 22 to 22
through cast ematic anonymous no

1215
01:20:18,330 --> 01:20:20,040
note and that was twice

1216
01:20:20,789 --> 01:20:21,809
hit the duck for

1217
01:20:26,940 --> 01:20:31,590
blueberry again blueberry
dominating the boards today 333

1218
01:20:31,800 --> 01:20:38,820
Just paging see dubs don't just
these nerve boost these laughs

1219
01:20:38,850 --> 01:20:41,520
since 383 sets and he just says
boost.

1220
01:20:41,820 --> 01:20:42,720
Alright man. Thank you.

1221
01:20:44,580 --> 01:20:50,550
Sir Shawn McEwen, the dissident
yinzer What that means the

1222
01:20:50,550 --> 01:20:51,660
dissident answer?

1223
01:20:52,230 --> 01:20:55,260
Why no idea what that means?
Cool.

1224
01:20:55,830 --> 01:21:01,830
Cast cast medics and it's
100,000 sets bomb show is happy

1225
01:21:01,830 --> 01:21:04,380
100th Emacs and Vyas code
boosting,

1226
01:21:04,740 --> 01:21:07,740
man Thank you. Thank you. Thank
you. I want to defragment you

1227
01:21:12,000 --> 01:21:17,430
Brian mozzie sent us 100,000
SATs also. Congratulations

1228
01:21:17,430 --> 01:21:20,250
episode 100. Thank you for your
courage and thank you for all

1229
01:21:20,250 --> 01:21:22,680
you do for all your
contributions to making

1230
01:21:22,680 --> 01:21:23,520
podcasting better.

1231
01:21:23,550 --> 01:21:28,320
Thank you. And I'm so blown away
by these 100,000 sat boosts. Me

1232
01:21:28,320 --> 01:21:33,300
too. Yeah. And it and it's not
so much the amount of money it's

1233
01:21:33,300 --> 01:21:36,270
the fact that people put thought
into it. Hey, I'm gonna do

1234
01:21:36,270 --> 01:21:39,360
something special a little
extra. And you express it that

1235
01:21:39,360 --> 01:21:41,160
way and everybody's happy.

1236
01:21:42,330 --> 01:21:46,860
That's the numerology the cast
ematic I think Franco I think he

1237
01:21:46,860 --> 01:21:50,760
had a bug in the last version,
because he released it. And all

1238
01:21:50,760 --> 01:21:55,770
of a sudden, the boost amounts
were only in hold dollar value,

1239
01:21:55,770 --> 01:21:58,170
or almost give me whole set
value. So I can only do like

1240
01:21:58,530 --> 01:22:00,390
5200 or 5300 i

1241
01:22:00,450 --> 01:22:02,610
Oh, you couldn't do your 2112

1242
01:22:03,030 --> 01:22:07,410
I couldn't end it. Oh, man. It
was like, I was like, no, no,

1243
01:22:07,440 --> 01:22:09,360
I've gone in in a fixed it.

1244
01:22:10,020 --> 01:22:14,460
I've gone stock to 10,000 just
as a boost. 25,000 for

1245
01:22:14,460 --> 01:22:17,460
Bookstagram. And it's really
brought my boosting back a bit.

1246
01:22:18,510 --> 01:22:20,100
Oh, that's a good idea. Just
take

1247
01:22:21,090 --> 01:22:23,610
meaningful I really mean if I'm
gonna send you something within

1248
01:22:23,640 --> 01:22:25,260
25,000 SATs because I mean,

1249
01:22:26,070 --> 01:22:28,890
that's a good one. It's good way
to do it. Chris, you know, send

1250
01:22:28,890 --> 01:22:35,820
us 5000 SATs through pod verse,
no message the SLC send us 12345

1251
01:22:35,820 --> 01:22:39,810
And he says he or she says I'm a
big fan of alternatives. Thank

1252
01:22:39,810 --> 01:22:42,300
you for your courage. Make kids
trade on V for V

1253
01:22:42,330 --> 01:22:46,320
Yes. No kidding. Oh, I've got
one.

1254
01:22:49,980 --> 01:22:53,280
I'll go and read this with
surgeon 100 SATs in the morning.

1255
01:22:53,280 --> 01:22:56,850
Congratulations of show 100
David Adam. Thank you. Thank

1256
01:22:56,850 --> 01:22:59,130
you. 1483

1257
01:22:59,879 --> 01:23:02,729
We're reading under under 1000
Again,

1258
01:23:03,209 --> 01:23:05,909
well, I'm not it's just there
was a few notes.

1259
01:23:06,030 --> 01:23:08,070
I was also 100 Okay, yes cool.

1260
01:23:08,099 --> 01:23:12,899
Let's get 114 83 from Deelen
through fountain nap. No, no

1261
01:23:12,899 --> 01:23:16,979
thank you. 1234 from calm
McCormick again. He says I

1262
01:23:16,979 --> 01:23:19,979
believe in podcasting. I believe
in the people I believe

1263
01:23:19,979 --> 01:23:21,419
allegiance to the namespace.

1264
01:23:27,450 --> 01:23:30,540
See, 1000 says from chyron
Milmore mere mortals. He says

1265
01:23:30,540 --> 01:23:32,490
I'm testing out I'll be on pod
verse. Enjoy.

1266
01:23:32,519 --> 01:23:34,949
Yeah, thank you. Joy. Yes, yes.
I'm

1267
01:23:34,950 --> 01:23:38,850
gonna enjoy testing with cash.
Always good plant.

1268
01:23:40,230 --> 01:23:42,270
Well makes you think about your
bugs, doesn't it?

1269
01:23:43,019 --> 01:23:48,989
It does. 47,099 says through
from Brian of London and the

1270
01:23:48,989 --> 01:23:53,249
hive Dao Hey, hi verse. He says
this donation is in honor of my

1271
01:23:53,249 --> 01:23:56,699
youngest son's surfing boy. Who
will be BarMitzvah tomorrow.

1272
01:23:56,789 --> 01:23:58,379
Mazel Tov to surfing boy.

1273
01:23:58,530 --> 01:24:04,920
Oh hold on a second. For the
surfing boy Ba ba ba ba ba ba ba

1274
01:24:04,920 --> 01:24:07,980
ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba
ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba

1275
01:24:07,980 --> 01:24:12,570
ba surfer

1276
01:24:12,570 --> 01:24:18,510
bird surfer Okay, mazel tov.
Surfing boy. Comic Strip

1277
01:24:18,510 --> 01:24:24,000
blogger, the delimiter 15,033.
SAS, Barry is he says, howdy,

1278
01:24:24,000 --> 01:24:27,300
David. Adam, please enter AI
cooking in your browser for

1279
01:24:27,300 --> 01:24:31,620
podcatcher to chillax with silky
voice of His Majesty. Gregory

1280
01:24:31,620 --> 01:24:34,620
William forced that Foreman from
Kitt. jibber jabbering about

1281
01:24:34,620 --> 01:24:36,270
artificial intelligence. Yo.

1282
01:24:37,650 --> 01:24:43,080
Thank you CSD. All right value
for value, you know how it

1283
01:24:43,080 --> 01:24:46,980
works. Whatever you think this
is worth, you're spending your

1284
01:24:46,980 --> 01:24:53,070
time put it into into some
numbers and get a podcast app a

1285
01:24:53,070 --> 01:24:56,400
new podcast apps.com and send us
a boosted gram. Let us know what

1286
01:24:56,400 --> 01:25:00,450
you think. Let us know why you
think it's valuable and That's

1287
01:25:00,450 --> 01:25:05,250
the beauty of it you get to
determine and we get to continue

1288
01:25:05,250 --> 01:25:08,130
doing this. Another week we
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1293
01:25:27,000 --> 01:25:30,990
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1294
01:25:31,170 --> 01:25:35,490
And Christopher hyperbaric $10,
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1295
01:25:35,519 --> 01:25:37,679
Thank you all very much. But not
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1296
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chain or lightning, of which no
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1302
01:26:00,029 --> 01:26:05,609
or last week. And the week
before we did have one. glad

1303
01:26:05,609 --> 01:26:09,149
everyone's said we should do
that. Hey, man, you should put

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up a pay on chain I'll pay on
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1305
01:26:13,200 --> 01:26:18,840
can we just just eradicate the
word should from podcasting? 2.0

1306
01:26:19,559 --> 01:26:20,429
It's gonna be hard.

1307
01:26:20,460 --> 01:26:24,810
It's gonna be hard. Anytime
somebody says is something you

1308
01:26:24,810 --> 01:26:26,460
know, some blah, blah, blah. You
should.

1309
01:26:26,490 --> 01:26:27,840
Yeah, that's when I tune out.

1310
01:26:28,080 --> 01:26:29,370
Yeah, I'm like, okay, whatever.

1311
01:26:29,519 --> 01:26:32,549
I was like, No, okay. No, I'm
alright.

1312
01:26:35,550 --> 01:26:40,710
Do okay, there's an ISO in there
it says Name That dude. I want

1313
01:26:40,710 --> 01:26:44,670
you to just play this. And I
want you to tell me, do you

1314
01:26:44,670 --> 01:26:45,660
think this is?

1315
01:26:46,530 --> 01:26:52,830
Can you imagine? Can you
imagine?

1316
01:26:55,590 --> 01:26:56,310
Gosh,

1317
01:26:56,790 --> 01:26:58,050
I don't know. Dave.

1318
01:26:59,340 --> 01:27:02,820
Does it sound like does it not
sound exactly like Tom woods?

1319
01:27:03,960 --> 01:27:05,160
Can you imagine?

1320
01:27:06,240 --> 01:27:09,060
It has a bit of the cadence.
It's not his tone or Tom. But I

1321
01:27:09,060 --> 01:27:14,610
also thought for a second and
might be is it Justin, the guy

1322
01:27:14,610 --> 01:27:16,140
from disaffected?

1323
01:27:17,010 --> 01:27:21,720
No, this is that Jeremy boring
guy. But he introduced sounded

1324
01:27:21,720 --> 01:27:25,140
so much like Tom woods to me
when I was looking. Oh, it

1325
01:27:25,140 --> 01:27:27,990
seems like he would be a music
guy at Mises Institute

1326
01:27:27,990 --> 01:27:32,400
libertarian grovel. Yeah. Yeah,
you probably listened to Tom

1327
01:27:32,400 --> 01:27:38,190
woods. There you go. That was
fine. That's fine.

1328
01:27:39,390 --> 01:27:44,160
I've got I've got a I've got a
little bit here about what NPR

1329
01:27:44,160 --> 01:27:49,440
thinks. Thinks about podcasters.
Oh, listen to that. Yes.

1330
01:27:49,470 --> 01:27:53,670
I'd love to. I'd love to listen
to that. Yeah. Where is it? Oh,

1331
01:27:53,670 --> 01:27:55,650
NPR. I got you. Oh,

1332
01:27:55,680 --> 01:27:59,190
but then you also do get in
podcasting. As was the case in

1333
01:27:59,190 --> 01:28:03,180
blogging, a certain amount of
grifting. And people who stuff

1334
01:28:03,180 --> 01:28:08,430
is kind of gross as well as just
people who aren't following. I

1335
01:28:08,430 --> 01:28:10,650
don't know the rules that you
would want them to follow?

1336
01:28:16,470 --> 01:28:20,610
If we want them to follow the
rules? Oh, yeah, you know, the

1337
01:28:20,610 --> 01:28:21,360
rules, you'd want

1338
01:28:21,360 --> 01:28:21,990
them to follow

1339
01:28:22,230 --> 01:28:28,350
it. What's so fun about the
cancelling of podcasts is that

1340
01:28:29,190 --> 01:28:33,330
it's ineffective. He people go,
Oh, I'm gonna take it off Apple,

1341
01:28:33,330 --> 01:28:37,050
Spotify, and maybe, but the only
way to effectively really

1342
01:28:37,050 --> 01:28:41,460
effectively do it is to go to
the host. And that's gonna be

1343
01:28:41,460 --> 01:28:44,820
fun. That's going to be fun in
the future to see how hosts

1344
01:28:44,820 --> 01:28:48,420
really react when you're really
under fire. We haven't seen that

1345
01:28:48,420 --> 01:28:51,720
yet. Because the people who do
cancellation they're too stupid

1346
01:28:51,720 --> 01:28:55,590
to figure it out. I don't quite
know. I mean, they, they'll send

1347
01:28:55,590 --> 01:29:00,930
us to get it out of the index.
Take it down. Suddenly, but it

1348
01:29:00,930 --> 01:29:01,530
happens,

1349
01:29:02,040 --> 01:29:07,170
the hard hat this week. And I
will read the words of heart and

1350
01:29:07,440 --> 01:29:12,000
I will read the words of hard
hat. On the index. He said on

1351
01:29:12,000 --> 01:29:15,180
the index Mastodon, he said
someone should be able to go to

1352
01:29:15,180 --> 01:29:19,320
a podcast website, like women
maybe. And from the web edit

1353
01:29:19,320 --> 01:29:25,860
flayer generate a key. Sorry. I
think he's I think he's

1354
01:29:25,860 --> 01:29:29,970
referring to your, your correct
analysis that women you.

1355
01:29:30,630 --> 01:29:33,090
I'm sorry, ad sales department.

1356
01:29:35,040 --> 01:29:39,000
What the hell did y'all say? I
think he is referring to your

1357
01:29:39,000 --> 01:29:44,010
correct assertion that women use
they listen to podcasts on

1358
01:29:44,010 --> 01:29:48,930
websites, a lot of players. Yes.
Okay. So let me let me rephrase.

1359
01:29:49,800 --> 01:29:52,890
Someone should be able to go to
a podcast website, like women

1360
01:29:52,890 --> 01:29:56,280
maybe and from the embedded
player generate a QR code which

1361
01:29:56,280 --> 01:29:59,550
they can scan with a lightning
wallet to boost the podcast.

1362
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:02,640
Oh, I like that too. That says
I'd like that idea.

1363
01:30:03,420 --> 01:30:07,860
Yeah, so this is a valid use
case for

1364
01:30:07,920 --> 01:30:09,420
Ellen. Ellen URL.

1365
01:30:09,450 --> 01:30:17,160
Eleanor LP. Yeah. But, but you
don't want that. You don't want

1366
01:30:17,160 --> 01:30:23,130
that to be like the primary
method like it. So this this led

1367
01:30:23,130 --> 01:30:26,820
me down the rabbit hole of
should there be an alternative

1368
01:30:26,820 --> 01:30:32,400
method you just said should not
I'm talking to the universe. Oh,

1369
01:30:33,360 --> 01:30:38,460
okay. Could Okay, could

1370
01:30:44,820 --> 01:30:49,410
could there be an alternative
method in the value blog where

1371
01:30:49,410 --> 01:30:52,470
you could say, Okay, here's the
primary method keys and here's

1372
01:30:52,470 --> 01:30:56,490
an old here's the alternative or
sort of fallback method? Ellen,

1373
01:30:56,490 --> 01:31:03,180
your OP. Because you'd want to
have both, sometimes under

1374
01:31:03,180 --> 01:31:06,900
certain situations. Maybe.

1375
01:31:08,370 --> 01:31:13,230
I don't know, man, the Ellen URL
mafia just pissed me off with

1376
01:31:13,230 --> 01:31:16,140
this approach. I'm like, why
would I help those guys with

1377
01:31:16,140 --> 01:31:18,120
anything? They don't care? They
just want it in there. They're

1378
01:31:18,120 --> 01:31:20,520
not going to develop they're not
going to do anything. I can do

1379
01:31:20,520 --> 01:31:21,060
anything.

1380
01:31:21,750 --> 01:31:25,650
And the lazy ass bitches we got.
So like, if we're doing their

1381
01:31:25,650 --> 01:31:29,250
job for them. Yeah, exactly. And
that just there's still ways

1382
01:31:29,280 --> 01:31:29,910
you're sure

1383
01:31:29,910 --> 01:31:32,280
you're sure that you'd have this
that you know that okay, well,

1384
01:31:32,280 --> 01:31:35,880
all right. We're good to put it
in. Man. We'll promote it. I

1385
01:31:35,880 --> 01:31:39,600
love I love what we put together
Dave, the only person who has to

1386
01:31:39,600 --> 01:31:41,100
work as you unfortunately.

1387
01:31:41,490 --> 01:31:45,480
But when we tell and the lb
paper the lb guys are

1388
01:31:45,809 --> 01:31:48,989
we this is what's so beautiful.
You know, it's like hey, let's

1389
01:31:48,989 --> 01:31:51,659
do it. We'll we'll talk about
it. We'll point people towards

1390
01:31:51,659 --> 01:31:56,099
it get it going. Where most
people fall away with their

1391
01:31:56,099 --> 01:31:57,899
criticism or their shoulds.

1392
01:31:58,590 --> 01:32:04,710
Well, my Bhumi Michael from
Albie, emailed me this morning

1393
01:32:04,710 --> 01:32:10,200
and said they have their their
key send address format down. So

1394
01:32:10,230 --> 01:32:12,450
now everybody who has an lb
address,

1395
01:32:12,540 --> 01:32:15,150
oh, this direct key sent out to
US Customs?

1396
01:32:15,690 --> 01:32:20,010
Yeah, the will if if you use
your day that get or like for me

1397
01:32:20,670 --> 01:32:24,780
b.com Okay, yeah, we can now
resolve that to a tee send

1398
01:32:24,780 --> 01:32:29,190
address. sweet vanilla. And
instead of a invoice

1399
01:32:30,210 --> 01:32:33,090
you get are both 11 Are we I
love it. I love it.

1400
01:32:33,630 --> 01:32:39,150
In the it resolves to David get
ab.com goes to get lb.com/dot

1401
01:32:39,150 --> 01:32:43,680
Well dash known slash key send
slash Dave. And so it's not just

1402
01:32:43,680 --> 01:32:44,190
a test.

1403
01:32:44,220 --> 01:32:48,330
It's not just a text file that
has the JSON in or something.

1404
01:32:48,720 --> 01:32:51,810
Yeah, exactly. And it's got. But
the cool thing here is it's got

1405
01:32:51,810 --> 01:32:54,360
there and it's got the node and
it's got the custom key custom

1406
01:32:54,360 --> 01:32:55,290
value for the routing.

1407
01:32:55,320 --> 01:32:59,100
Oh, cool. Excellent. So you can
do it. Oh, nice.

1408
01:32:59,940 --> 01:33:03,090
So just pop that into your well
that you know, the apps will

1409
01:33:03,090 --> 01:33:07,170
need to support it will need to
know that exists. So if they see

1410
01:33:07,170 --> 01:33:10,560
a lightning address, they can
look for that now. And love it a

1411
01:33:10,560 --> 01:33:11,700
cash ID or whatever.

1412
01:33:12,540 --> 01:33:13,080
I love it.

1413
01:33:13,650 --> 01:33:16,770
Yeah, I'm glad that he just did
it. Yeah. Because if you go

1414
01:33:16,770 --> 01:33:19,350
petition the lab they're never
gonna give you there. They're

1415
01:33:19,350 --> 01:33:20,100
just gonna talk that

1416
01:33:20,100 --> 01:33:22,830
man we got to be careful. These
Germans man, you know, they may

1417
01:33:22,830 --> 01:33:25,590
be here to take over the world.
And before wake up one day we're

1418
01:33:25,590 --> 01:33:29,790
speaking Deutsch. I thought the
French were going to do it for a

1419
01:33:29,790 --> 01:33:34,530
minute there was Benjamin Ah, I
know how podcasting. 2.0. And as

1420
01:33:34,530 --> 01:33:37,380
usual, the French and the
Germans will go to war together.

1421
01:33:38,040 --> 01:33:43,920
No, yeah. The front and then the
French will call us and we'll

1422
01:33:43,920 --> 01:33:52,560
get involved. The SSC. So the
XMPP stuff? Yes. This needs to

1423
01:33:52,560 --> 01:33:53,460
be discussed.

1424
01:33:54,360 --> 01:33:57,600
Yeah. Yes. I think we need to
bring some people on into the

1425
01:33:57,600 --> 01:33:59,190
board meeting to discuss this.

1426
01:34:00,270 --> 01:34:03,420
He think we need to bring I'm
thinking Alex. Yes. Alex for

1427
01:34:04,020 --> 01:34:07,350
maybe Mitch because he's already
doing Yeah, right. He's already

1428
01:34:07,350 --> 01:34:10,710
putting IRC into the interface.
Hmm.

1429
01:34:10,890 --> 01:34:13,920
I think Alex and Mitch would. I
think we need to bring in the

1430
01:34:14,820 --> 01:34:16,830
thing we need to bring in the
XMPP. Committee.

1431
01:34:17,580 --> 01:34:24,300
Oh, yes. The XMPP committee. Tat
the XMPP Task Force. Task Force

1432
01:34:24,300 --> 01:34:28,740
striking. No, no steering
committee. Now like

1433
01:34:28,740 --> 01:34:31,050
striker team better. Guns.

1434
01:34:31,380 --> 01:34:37,770
Oh, yes. All right. It's like,
Hey, welcome to the XMPP

1435
01:34:37,770 --> 01:34:42,390
StrikeForce here's your gear.
And I've been tested for you. It

1436
01:34:42,390 --> 01:34:43,590
works fine. Perfect.

1437
01:34:43,830 --> 01:34:45,480
Mitch. Mitch safety.

1438
01:34:46,890 --> 01:34:49,260
Hey, get that get that booger
finger off that trigger?

1439
01:34:51,690 --> 01:34:57,990
Well, because I've got it I'm
clip heavy. Today I'm dominated

1440
01:34:57,990 --> 01:35:02,070
with clips here. I want to play
this Is it because this is

1441
01:35:02,070 --> 01:35:05,790
relevant to this discussion,
current play karmic capability

1442
01:35:05,790 --> 01:35:07,140
versus destination?

1443
01:35:07,500 --> 01:35:11,010
So we were talking about that
back in the Doom and Quake days

1444
01:35:11,010 --> 01:35:14,460
about how do you wind up with an
interconnected set of worlds

1445
01:35:14,460 --> 01:35:17,910
that you kind of visit from one
to another. And as web pages

1446
01:35:17,910 --> 01:35:21,270
were becoming a thing, you start
thinking about how what is the

1447
01:35:21,300 --> 01:35:25,260
interactive kind of 3d based
equivalent of this? And there

1448
01:35:25,260 --> 01:35:29,670
were a lot of really bad takes
you had like, verbal been I've

1449
01:35:29,700 --> 01:35:32,820
Virtual Reality markup
languages. And there's aspects

1450
01:35:32,820 --> 01:35:36,450
like that, that that came from
people saying, well, what would

1451
01:35:36,480 --> 01:35:40,770
what kind of capabilities should
we develop to, to enable this,

1452
01:35:40,980 --> 01:35:44,160
and that kind of capability
first, work has usually not

1453
01:35:44,160 --> 01:35:48,390
panned out very well. On the
other hand, we have successful

1454
01:35:48,390 --> 01:35:51,120
games that started with things
like Doom and Quake and

1455
01:35:51,120 --> 01:35:54,750
communities that formed around
those and whether it was server

1456
01:35:54,750 --> 01:35:57,810
lists in the early days, or
literal portaling between

1457
01:35:57,810 --> 01:36:01,680
different games, and then modern
things that are on completely

1458
01:36:01,680 --> 01:36:04,560
different order of magnitude,
like Minecraft and fortnight

1459
01:36:04,560 --> 01:36:09,630
that have 100 million plus
users. I'm, you know, I still

1460
01:36:09,630 --> 01:36:12,900
think that that's the right way
to go to build the metaverse is

1461
01:36:13,020 --> 01:36:15,690
you build something that's
amazing that people love and

1462
01:36:15,690 --> 01:36:18,810
people wind up spending all
their time in, because it's

1463
01:36:18,810 --> 01:36:22,290
awesome. And you expand the
capabilities of that, even if

1464
01:36:22,290 --> 01:36:26,460
it's a very basic experience, as
long as Minecraft is Minecraft

1465
01:36:26,460 --> 01:36:30,930
is amazing case study, and so
many things were able to be done

1466
01:36:30,960 --> 01:36:35,010
with that is really
enlightening. And there are

1467
01:36:35,010 --> 01:36:38,850
other cases where like, right
now Roblox is basically a game

1468
01:36:38,850 --> 01:36:42,030
construction kit aimed at kids.
And that was capability first

1469
01:36:42,030 --> 01:36:45,660
play, and it's achieving scale
that's on the same order of

1470
01:36:45,660 --> 01:36:49,950
those things. So it's not
impossible, but my preferred bet

1471
01:36:49,950 --> 01:36:52,710
would be you make something
amazing that people love and you

1472
01:36:52,710 --> 01:36:53,910
make it better and better.

1473
01:36:55,860 --> 01:37:00,360
Yes, so he's talking about
building to a capability versus

1474
01:37:00,360 --> 01:37:06,540
building to a destination, or a
board or product. And I think

1475
01:37:06,600 --> 01:37:10,800
that's relevant to the work that
we're doing, you know, here with

1476
01:37:10,800 --> 01:37:14,310
everybody, everybody building
things here in podcasting. 2.0.

1477
01:37:15,720 --> 01:37:19,560
You know, he's, he's right, that
there is a danger of building

1478
01:37:19,560 --> 01:37:22,440
towards a capability, you say,
Okay, we want to be able to do

1479
01:37:22,440 --> 01:37:26,160
this thing. Now, let's build a
spec. And then the products will

1480
01:37:26,160 --> 01:37:29,880
follow. And I think we've
probably been more successful

1481
01:37:29,880 --> 01:37:34,680
than we otherwise would have. As
a project. I agree. Yeah. Maybe

1482
01:37:34,740 --> 01:37:38,310
maybe because of luck and pent
up demand. But there will be a

1483
01:37:38,490 --> 01:37:41,040
in the reason I'm bringing this
up now is because when it comes

1484
01:37:41,040 --> 01:37:45,570
to chat, live chat. I think this
will become a problem if we

1485
01:37:45,570 --> 01:37:49,860
don't do this. Right. And this
is why I've been a little I've

1486
01:37:49,860 --> 01:37:53,880
been a little hesitant to even
start, because what you have is

1487
01:37:53,880 --> 01:37:59,280
an existing, you have you don't
have a lot of shows that do live

1488
01:37:59,280 --> 01:38:04,620
chat. Very, very few actually.
Yeah, very few you. You've got

1489
01:38:04,650 --> 01:38:08,190
with Node and Node industry,
ATP.

1490
01:38:08,700 --> 01:38:15,510
Now, let me say upfront that
what I'm looking for is doing

1491
01:38:15,510 --> 01:38:19,350
this with video. Because that's
where that's what people are

1492
01:38:19,350 --> 01:38:24,930
looking to bail from YouTube.
Right. And there's, there's a

1493
01:38:24,930 --> 01:38:28,260
pent up demand for that. So
existing. I mean, it there's

1494
01:38:28,260 --> 01:38:29,850
never really been this
infrastructure. So we're

1495
01:38:29,850 --> 01:38:33,510
building something that really
works for few existing shows

1496
01:38:33,510 --> 01:38:35,970
what I want to actually I think
in the value for value model

1497
01:38:35,970 --> 01:38:40,890
works very well look at
Spencer's stuff and blueberry

1498
01:38:40,890 --> 01:38:44,970
and I mean, no agenda stream in
general, you know, like

1499
01:38:44,970 --> 01:38:47,760
everyone's boosting around the
doing all kinds of stuff. That's

1500
01:38:47,760 --> 01:38:51,660
all based on a lot of live.
There's there's a lot of shows

1501
01:38:51,660 --> 01:38:56,520
that take place live through no
agenda stream. But the

1502
01:38:56,520 --> 01:39:02,460
opportunity is the people who
are doing stuff live on YouTube,

1503
01:39:02,460 --> 01:39:05,850
they have stream yard, they want
to add something, you know, and

1504
01:39:05,850 --> 01:39:09,120
that we have the feedback loop.
If it was just a way to stream

1505
01:39:09,120 --> 01:39:11,820
to an app, I don't think we'd
get any uptake because there's

1506
01:39:11,820 --> 01:39:15,990
the ability to have the booster
grams. That's why this is I

1507
01:39:15,990 --> 01:39:19,650
think there's a perceived demand
for this.

1508
01:39:21,090 --> 01:39:25,890
Yes, yeah. Yeah, I can see which
I see what you're saying.

1509
01:39:25,890 --> 01:39:30,360
Because you you have so you need
the whole thing. You need the

1510
01:39:30,360 --> 01:39:36,240
whole stack you do and the stack
already exists in certain

1511
01:39:36,240 --> 01:39:42,180
places. The challenge is to
package the stack in a way that

1512
01:39:42,240 --> 01:39:45,780
it's portable, where other
people can do it without it

1513
01:39:45,840 --> 01:39:49,740
breaking their back, like
technology wise and effort wise,

1514
01:39:49,770 --> 01:39:55,620
right. And so, if you but you
also have to at the same time,

1515
01:39:55,950 --> 01:40:00,960
not build a whole new stack in
force the exists Getting people

1516
01:40:00,990 --> 01:40:06,000
to adopt that stack are great.
Like, because what you don't

1517
01:40:06,000 --> 01:40:11,040
want is to say, Okay, well, Fun
Fact Friday, ATP, no agenda.

1518
01:40:11,910 --> 01:40:13,860
We're all going to do this
thing. And we've built this

1519
01:40:13,860 --> 01:40:18,030
great thing. We've integrated
XMPP into all the apps. So it's

1520
01:40:18,030 --> 01:40:20,850
great. I'll just y'all just all
get rid of your IRC chat and

1521
01:40:20,850 --> 01:40:23,550
getting switched to XMPP.
Correct. You don't want to do

1522
01:40:23,550 --> 01:40:26,670
that. You don't want yeah,
that's built that's building to

1523
01:40:26,670 --> 01:40:30,270
a capability and not to an
existing destination. pletely

1524
01:40:30,270 --> 01:40:30,690
agree.

1525
01:40:31,680 --> 01:40:37,110
And if we do good, no, don't go
ahead, please, if we do both, is

1526
01:40:37,320 --> 01:40:40,590
generally where I think we've
had success as a project.

1527
01:40:41,190 --> 01:40:46,410
Because people, there's always
one part of podcasting, people

1528
01:40:46,410 --> 01:40:50,070
know that's built, it's this
pushing things into the existing

1529
01:40:50,100 --> 01:40:54,660
stack, like, I'm thinking about
the boost bot work. And

1530
01:40:55,290 --> 01:40:58,590
people using its people is
driven by users driven by

1531
01:40:58,590 --> 01:40:59,610
applications.

1532
01:41:00,030 --> 01:41:02,640
Yeah, they're like, we already
have this thing, we just want to

1533
01:41:02,640 --> 01:41:05,460
stick this, we just want to put
this new thing into our existing

1534
01:41:05,460 --> 01:41:09,240
thing. To plug that in, right.
And then there's this other

1535
01:41:09,270 --> 01:41:15,840
part, that would be sort of like
Spurlock and Alex, who are

1536
01:41:15,840 --> 01:41:20,910
building to a capability and
saying, okay, that thing that

1537
01:41:20,910 --> 01:41:26,610
already exists, doesn't scale,
it's not going to do the thing

1538
01:41:26,610 --> 01:41:31,890
that you want it to do. And so
we, if you want to go to the

1539
01:41:31,890 --> 01:41:35,220
next level, you need this other
thing, and here's that thing,

1540
01:41:35,220 --> 01:41:39,420
we're gonna give it to you. And
you really have, when they're

1541
01:41:39,450 --> 01:41:43,350
when both have existed, there's
been a lot of success there. And

1542
01:41:43,350 --> 01:41:45,990
I think we can do the same
thing, I think we have to do the

1543
01:41:45,990 --> 01:41:50,820
same thing with live chat, we
have to support we have to, we

1544
01:41:50,820 --> 01:41:55,380
have to integrate the two XMPP,
to me, is clearly superior to

1545
01:41:55,380 --> 01:41:59,940
IRC for many reasons, when it
comes to being able to do multi

1546
01:41:59,940 --> 01:42:06,300
app chat, but also, you just,
it's just not realistic to make

1547
01:42:06,300 --> 01:42:10,230
people switch off RC. So there
needs to be there needs to be

1548
01:42:11,190 --> 01:42:16,770
gateways there or linkage there
between the two, where they can

1549
01:42:16,770 --> 01:42:25,980
coexist. So that so that we have
even the framework or mind a

1550
01:42:25,980 --> 01:42:28,980
mental model of how to design
this live chat tag,

1551
01:42:29,760 --> 01:42:34,860
I completely agree. That's an to
me, that's the only way to go.

1552
01:42:34,950 --> 01:42:39,420
From what I understand there's a
way to bridge XMPP to IRC, and

1553
01:42:39,450 --> 01:42:42,750
what I don't find acceptable as
well, you know, that's going to

1554
01:42:42,750 --> 01:42:46,380
be a pain in the ass for people
with IRC servers, I think I

1555
01:42:46,380 --> 01:42:49,680
think you make that happen, you
know, if you really want to do

1556
01:42:49,680 --> 01:42:53,340
this, then you'll figure out how
to get the bridge in, I think it

1557
01:42:53,340 --> 01:42:56,430
was like, that should be the
only concession for the IRC

1558
01:42:56,430 --> 01:43:00,600
users. You may have to you have
to might have to snap into

1559
01:43:00,600 --> 01:43:02,910
bridge or something that
shouldn't be, you know, we do it

1560
01:43:02,910 --> 01:43:06,000
once 90% of the people using it
can do it.

1561
01:43:07,140 --> 01:43:11,730
And that's what I'm thinking
about for the for the tag. So

1562
01:43:11,730 --> 01:43:15,210
you know, we ship the tag, at
some point, we say, Okay, here's

1563
01:43:15,210 --> 01:43:17,610
the attributes, here's all the
ways the tag is going to

1564
01:43:17,610 --> 01:43:22,050
describe where the IRC chat
lives, or whatever this chat is,

1565
01:43:22,050 --> 01:43:26,460
you know, whatever this thing
is, where it lives in then, if

1566
01:43:26,460 --> 01:43:30,330
it's IRC, there's also this
recommendation that says, Okay,

1567
01:43:30,330 --> 01:43:34,740
now go, you know, you need an
XMPP bridge. Here it is. Yeah,

1568
01:43:34,740 --> 01:43:37,560
and you can plug that in, and
you're good. You're then you're

1569
01:43:37,560 --> 01:43:43,440
good to go. Love, love. Yeah, it
can't just be the tag. But we

1570
01:43:43,440 --> 01:43:46,050
also have to know what the other
thing what the other component

1571
01:43:46,050 --> 01:43:48,840
is, is going to be before we can
create the tag because otherwise

1572
01:43:48,840 --> 01:43:51,390
you'll have you'll have fast
implement the tag. Yeah.

1573
01:43:53,520 --> 01:44:00,150
Sounds good. Right, you got me
you got me. 100% on that 100 was

1574
01:44:00,150 --> 01:44:01,500
100 at one time.

1575
01:44:05,850 --> 01:44:07,050
That was easier. That's all it
was?

1576
01:44:08,340 --> 01:44:15,810
No, not at all. No, no, ma'am.
After after, you know, have we

1577
01:44:15,810 --> 01:44:22,800
been together? 35 years, I
think. I think we figured out

1578
01:44:22,800 --> 01:44:24,150
you know, we know how to work
with each other.

1579
01:44:24,720 --> 01:44:27,750
You know, all my favorite
recipes, shall we?

1580
01:44:28,110 --> 01:44:30,720
Should we call this? This
meeting adjourned?

1581
01:44:31,410 --> 01:44:34,170
I've got an I've got a nice so I
don't know. It'd be a

1582
01:44:34,170 --> 01:44:34,830
disappointment.

1583
01:44:35,880 --> 01:44:39,300
After that jolly old punch line.
Probably. Let's see. What do you

1584
01:44:39,300 --> 01:44:42,240
got on the podcaster? Okay,

1585
01:44:42,270 --> 01:44:48,840
I'm a podcaster. Ah, little
flat. Flat,

1586
01:44:49,200 --> 01:44:52,860
just a little flat. Brother.
This was good. I have to go back

1587
01:44:52,860 --> 01:44:55,380
and listen and figure out all
the things we solved. I know we

1588
01:44:55,380 --> 01:44:56,250
saw something

1589
01:44:57,000 --> 01:45:00,300
we did. Maybe more than one
thing but maybe Good,

1590
01:45:01,469 --> 01:45:04,019
buddy, thank you so much for
supporting us with the value for

1591
01:45:04,019 --> 01:45:07,109
value. Have a great weekend.
We'll be back next week with the

1592
01:45:07,109 --> 01:45:10,109
board meeting of podcasting 2.0

1593
01:45:25,590 --> 01:45:30,150
You have been listening to
podcasting 2.0 Visit podcast

1594
01:45:30,150 --> 01:45:32,790
index.org for more information.

1595
01:45:32,850 --> 01:45:43,470
I'm a podcaster All right,

1596
01:45:43,890 --> 01:45:48,090
all right, ending the stream
shit, man. We I seriously, I

1597
01:45:48,090 --> 01:45:50,220
have to go back and listen. I
don't remember all the things

1598
01:45:50,220 --> 01:45:54,270
that we fixed but we fixed them.
So proud of us.

1599
01:45:55,410 --> 01:45:56,820
We faced him by accident. I

1600
01:45:57,420 --> 01:46:01,020
really don't know what happened.
But we did something. I remember

1601
01:46:01,020 --> 01:46:02,700
the feeling. I remember liking
the feeling.

1602
01:46:03,990 --> 01:46:06,390
I'm kind of the same way this is
I don't know. It's like,

1603
01:46:06,420 --> 01:46:11,850
overcast and gloomy here and Oh,
really? Yeah. But I'm like, I'm

1604
01:46:11,850 --> 01:46:14,310
kind of in a fog and light.
Yeah, we did some cool stuff.

1605
01:46:14,460 --> 01:46:17,940
We didn't just don't remember
what it was. Alright, man, I'll

1606
01:46:17,940 --> 01:46:21,960
get this up and out ASAP. Bro.
I'm headed back to work. And

1607
01:46:21,960 --> 01:46:23,490
have a great weekend. Dave. Man