Episode 267: Chocolove

0:00 Podcasting 2.0 for August 14th, 2026, episode 267, Choco Love. Choco Love. Uh-oh. Wait a minute. Is this a podcast? Are we back? Do we exist? Is it really happening? Hello, everybody. Welcome to Podcasting 2.0. It is... Friday August 14th it's time to talk about podcasting from the people who make it for you the people who come together and make it better for you yes this is the official board meeting of podcasting 2.0 in fact we are the only board room without a skip button I'm Adam Curry here in the heart of the Texas Hill Country and in Alabama. The man who took the DHT out and left the plumbing quieter than he found it. Say hello to my friend on the other end, Dave Jones.

0:50 Yeah, no more DHT. Yeah, DHT is gone, baby. It's too problematic. It's problematic. Ah, problematic. My favorite woke word. of woke one by the way it's a thing no we we adopted it it's now part of the podcast index lexicon problematic yeah but there's an in there's an api endpoint called problem that reports problematic feeds oh that's right that's right i forgot about that problematic yes problematical if you want to go really, you know, pedantic. So we might as well start with that, with your PodPing VO.12.0 shipped. Yeah, lots of... lots of work on pod ping over the last few weeks i'm trying to get it to the point where i don't have to think about it for a while um oh boy well isn't that basically nothing just as a little aside so we we combined our linode nodes So that a number of nodes that I was, a number of servers I was running, you've moved over for that Godcaster stuff. And then you beautifully made me an admin on the podcasting, podcast index stuff. Yeah. Which is, you know, only for emergency

2:21 purposes. But then I realized you are exactly the same as me. Neither one of us have taken any effort to suppress the Linode warnings of exceeding all kinds of things. Oh, no, I just, I'm never going to touch that button. It's like, all of a sudden, every morning, there's 50 different, well, it's exceeded the egress bandwidth. Oh, this server was spiking for five minutes. Oh, no, this is not a problem. I'm just warning you about it. yeah show showrunner yeah show whatever that is are you getting showrunner alerts oh yeah showrunner's wearing me out how come you're oh because i made you an ad yeah but but you know what i just i don't read my email anyway so i just it's all just kind of goes in the it doesn't really matter showrunners out of control yeah showrunners lost lost his mind but it's fine it's fine showrunner is my uh my show prep bot where's the latest one here I mean it's daily oh yeah it's multiple times a day showrunner showrunner is the box where I say hey robot go listen to that Tucker Carlson interview and tell me what's in it and see if I want any clips from it Oh, yeah. Okay. But then what it does is it, because of course it's YouTube, so a showrunner is connected to

3:52 the VPN on my home router so that it doesn't get blocked. Okay. Which was a fun project. These routers, you can set up a VPN on the router itself. I didn't even know that was possible. How do you do that? It's a function of the router. The router lets you set up different forms of VPNs. What kind of router is this that we're talking about? Well, good question. It's the TP-Link, I think. So I have fiber here. I've got five gigs up and down. And then it has this crazy-looking spaceship-type router with eight antennas sticking up on it. and uh and that thing can do all kinds of stuff this reminds me of the uh this the the this reminds me of the nighthawk do you know that router no i need one though i need one right now that's good just for the name it's uh what what what is the eight is it asus night yeah the night the aces nighthawk ac 1900 it's even got ac in the name of it which i don't okay wait but just as a quick aside I did not pull a clip, and this is on me. I admit it. I should have pulled a clip of this. Yeah. But you said a few weeks ago, I caught it and it didn't hit me until like

5:23 an hour later. Okay. Okay. You made the statement in the boardroom. This already sounds bad. Am I going to get arrested for something? Maybe. Okay. You made the statement. You said, blah, blah, blah. Uh, I was loading the dishwasher dot, dot, dot. mm-hmm since when did you get a dishwasher and start using it this has been always been your thing is never use the dishwasher because you're doing the work twice Are you married? Yes. Do you argue with your wife about everything? This was, you, you, you got off, you're off the reservation. I'm concerned. Yeah.

6:11 i thought this was a hill you were gonna down well you know since i i lost my podcast gig i'm just kind of trying to be calm in the house and do whatever i'm asked okay this uh i will i will let this pass i have the archer axe 300 quad band 16 stream wi-fi 6e router with two 10g ports wi-fi is out of control this is the number of of like acronyms it reminds me of the old days uh and we just i was on with uh laren and laren laren and daryl darren and larry darren and larry yesterday on the show And I made them guess the modem speeds from the old dial-up modems. I had the 300 baud, the 1,200, 24, 33.

7:04 I had a 52. No, not a 50. I had a 56. I thought it was a 6... I thought it was a 28 and a... 28, 28, 8. Yeah, that's right. That's right. 14, 4, 28, 8, 56. Yeah. And I was cursing Dvorak for dying on us because he would have known exactly... Because there were wars going on. You had the Hayes modems and you had the... Uh, not Rockwell. Um, right. Yeah. And rock U S robotics. Yes. Robotics. And they, and they had wars over V 90 V 91 compression schemes. And it's kind of reminiscent of what's happening with wifi. It's like, you know, no, no, we got this version now and you've got the 6G and all these different protocols that are just popping up everywhere. Yeah, the old dial-up modem protocol wars.

7:58 Yeah. Yeah, the different compression radio. Yeah. You could not mix and match. No. They wouldn't worry. It was like Blu-ray versus HD, DVD or something. Yeah, VHS versus Betamax. It's always a thing. It's always a thing. So anyway, so Showrunner is doing that. show runners doing all that kind of stuff all day long when i give it a command or go out and find stuff and so yeah so you're getting lots of bandwidth warnings on that one yeah that's fine i just i just ignore them i mean i've been getting bandwidth or cpu warnings on the database server for podcast index for like four years those are fun to see it's spiking after after about you know you get concerned the first few weeks and then it's like i don't care nothing blows up nothing ever ever goes bad so okay it's fine so back to uh pod ping now is this oh yeah is this the what we don't sound very excited i just forgot where we were oh yeah yeah that thing so now so these are pod ping watcher nodes is that what is that what we're running here pod king watcher are you do you have any websites pulled up like the pp monitor no no i don't i don't have my pp up you had get your get your pp up let me get my pp up okay um uh pp monitor Dot podcasting next.org. Yes. Okay. Woo. I love this. I love how it just kicks in. Yeah. You

9:31 get, um, okay. The, this this will show you the current mesh with all the nodes i'm i'm disappointed in many people me too all the time just in general people suck including myself because there's many people who have not updated to the latest version and are still stuck on versions as old as 0.6. Yeah, let's shame some people. Chad F. That's right. Dave Remote Nix 1.9. Edebris. Edebris.

10:12 Edebris works. Edebris. Dot 6. Hey, Citizen Bathroom. Oh, you're current. Good. He's current. Who else do we need to shame here? Hey, Citizen Bathroom. Pod Ping West, Libre.6. Come on, people. Todd Nova? Who's Todd Nova? I don't know Todd Nova. But Temple OS laptop is... dot 12 dot one that's that's how is that even possible temple os where did you come from this must be a fork it's a fork it's a fork yeah exactly okay Well, Temple OS has forked something. I don't understand that, but...

10:58 So, the story here is that the most complicated part of this code... of pod of the new version of pod ping. Was the DHT part. So a DHT stands for dynamic hash table. Yeah. And the distributed hash table, not dynamic distributed hash table, the distributed part means so a hash table is just a set of key value pairs. Um, that are, uh, that are addressed where the, it's a set of key value pairs where the indexes of the keys are, uh, uh, addressed in a way that distributes evenly across the table. And then you can extend that to where the hash table is not local.

12:04 I'm giving like the most roughest of thumbnail sketches here. You can distribute that hash table's keys. across more than one machine. So typically a hash table would be loaded into RAM during like an initial program load for some software. And it may just be a lookup table. You may just have a bunch of keys and a bunch of values that you need to look up. Well, that lookup table can be split up into slices Where keys or parts of the table are distributed amongst many different machines. And then you need some way to find out which machine has which values so that a lookup, so that an index becomes also an address to where to find the machine that holds it. Mm-hmm. Um, This... This is the core way that things like BitTorrent work. And going back all the way to things like Napster. lime wire yeah good times yeah those were good times actually and uh many you know many things use this although the most the most widely used dht is is something called the mainline DHT, which is the BitTorrent DHT. And a lot of people just piggyback on this because it's

13:36 got, you know, millions of nodes that are attached at any one time. Well, it's great. It's great for bootstrapping. So if you need to have like a mesh of nodes like PodPing does. You need to have a bunch of computers that can coordinate with each other and send messages back and forth. Well, then you can use the DHT. The mainline DHT to help them find each other. Right. So, the way this worked was that when you brought up a PodPing node, a PodPing watcher, gossip watcher, or writer, or PodPing monitor, whichever one you brought up, they all had this code in them. The first thing it would do is check the DHT to see if there were any other nodes registered with the DHT, and then if it found some, it would use those as its bootstraps. And to try to go ahead and connect to as many of those as possible to get the mesh up and to get, you know, to join the mesh. Right. And this is good for a few reasons because it avoids having the boot, you know, what's commonly referred to as like the bootstrap problem. Um, where, you know, you have a node where you have to have certain, you have to have nodes online in order to find other nodes and then how do they find each other? So this avoids that. Um, but it's also very

15:08 cumbersome and buggy because now the, because especially, specifically with the way Eero works, because Eero does not have this functionality natively. So it's having to use libraries. That I'll be honest with you, I don't fully understand how they work. These libraries are meant to make Eero discoverable over DHT. And it works, but it also brings in certain liabilities into the Eero connections and things I could never get this stuff to be very to be really stable. And so what I figured out was I'm like, OK.

15:52 Well, now that the PodPing gossip stuff is all stable and running at known locations on the five PodPing.cloud nodes, we really don't need the DHT anymore because we already know... Five good... nodes that will always be, we know their keys because the Eero stuff uses a public key. So those public keys are stored and they will never change. So we have five known bootstrap IDs that we can always use. And so then, why not just hard code those into the... pod ping watcher so that any watcher that comes up can just ping those five nodes and you're good and which of those five nodes does that include the one in uh in the bathroom no no um i don't trust anything in the bathroom is unstable by its nature i don't trust that one no the Thank you. So, the five nodes are the Podping Australia, Podping Central, East, Europe, and West. Yeah. Those are the five riders. So every podping.cloud is distributed over five nodes. When you send an update to podping.cloud, it round robins between all five of those nodes. And then each

17:23 one of those is going to is going to post it out through Hive and through the gossip channel at the same time. Right. So we're all we're all going to get all of those. Now, how many do you how many do we need to have a functioning system that we can start building on distributing the index? Good question, Adam. Yes, good question. It's an unanswerable question. Okay. i'll take i mean really and truly because you you could do you could distribute the index reliably I mean, with seven or eight, but- But then you're in the hive situation where you have like four or five API servers that you can rely on. It's not enough. It's just not, it doesn't make anybody sleep well enough. What are the requirements when we get to that stage? Massive storage? For the index? Well, for the distributed index. i'm thinking i don't i don't think so because if we're because if if we're going to distribute it This way, we're going to – to me, the proper way to do it is to slice it so that no node has to be responsible for the entire index. You could – I think you're going to have to have a mix. You're going to have to have some nodes that sign up for the whole index. Mm-hmm. And some that

18:54 just sign up for a, for a portion of it. And this all has to be automated. You know, you have to be we're you know we're brainstorming this right now so we're whiteboarding it baby yeah get your mark get your marker out So if you have... A node that came online that said... okay, I've got this much disk space. And I'm willing to donate, let's say, 50 gigs to hosting part of the index. Well, then the index is going to have to – or the swarm will have to look and see – what's available and then assign... roughly the equivalent of 50 gigs to this particular node. And then register back with the API front end that that node carries that data.

20:00 Here's a suggestion. I think you should make a Linode marketplace thing. Okay. So that it's just like a one-click install. You know what I'm talking about? Sort of like the AWS Marketplace? Yeah, Linode has that. They have a version of that. Oh, I didn't know they had that. Yeah, I think so. Let me check. Yeah, you use that. And, you know, now it requires understanding that weird scripting thing they have. You know what I'm talking about? oh a stack script yeah i think that's it yeah yeah something stack yeah something like that But just to make it easy for, you know, people like me. I don't know that it's going to be very hard because...

20:55 I mean, all this stuff's going into Docker Hub. So you could fire up a PodPing watcher right now with one Docker pull command. And I think that we can do this the same way in the other direction with the index distribution because we can have... Just the, the, the, the index, let's just call it index, you know, runner or whatever we're going to call this thing. You just Docker, Docker run this image. Mm-hmm. And it just pulls things down and you give it some environment variables about how much data you have to spare, you know, what, where is it going to store the data, like which directory, something, you know, whatever, we just pass the configuration parameters and then it figures out with... And it negotiates with the swarm how to do it. Yeah. How to distribute. And then you're just, it's just Docker. You know, you're not, I don't even think you have to run it. You could fire up a machine. I mean, you could do the marketplace thing, but. Okay. I was just. I was just. this all works in your house too you know i mean no everything's in my house right now my my actual studio is warmer than it's ever been this and great timing perfect time of year to make your studio warmer i'm running like that helix box man that's an awesome little machine Is it working good for you? Yeah. I'm learning a lot about lease

22:26 times of GPU and sharing and, you know, iGPU. iGPU? What is iGPU? iGPU is where you set up a GPU in VRAM. Which isn't actually a GPU. Oh, it's like a virtual GPU? Virtual, yeah. So I got a GPU, an iGPU, and then a lease plan that shares. And there's watchers and waiters and batchers. Because I got a lot of stuff going on. so yeah i got a lot of stuff going on here i'm running a whole fleet of radio stations man yes it's i i can't wait for people to see the stuff that you're cooking up it's really cool if they get the godcaster app they already can they can already check it out Just don't ever buy server hardware. what do you mean oh i i had to price for um day job stuff this week i had to i had to price out some some uh memory for a server for an hp server oh yeah uh the server cost 12 grand the ram 14 also 12 grand yeah that's crazy it was 60 64 gigs of ecc ram was six thousand dollars wow yeah that's crazy for five years ago that

23:59 was that was less than a thousand dollars yeah i know i know it's no good it's out of control it's no good it's uh it's price gouging everyone's price gouging yeah they love it well i read an article yesterday that said that all available ram from all manufacturers is has been fully sold is already fully sold out Through 2027. Wow. Wow. RAM that has not even been built yet. we're in the wrong business yes every single time yes we are so i had an interesting uh experience the other day i was listening to this week in bitcoin no no uh yeah this week in bitcoin uh chris and did he talk about the cold card stuff at all yeah of course of course he did okay okay okay Um, and so I'm listening and then he says, you know, boost me and he, and I haven't listened for a couple of weeks. uh you know death in the family stuff yeah and uh so um and he says go to boost dot uh what is it linux unplugged.com is that their website I think so.

25:17 And he has a whole beautiful interface there. You can determine your amount in dollars or sats. And it was really just two clicks. And I could pay right away from my strike wallet on the same device. with a message the whole the whole thing perfect uh of course next week i'll find out if it came through um but then i saw in i was looking in the uh in the godcaster app okay he's using his funding tag for the same mechanism You know, it says donate or support the show, donate the show. And I was just like, you know... It's really a beautiful mechanism that we're just not highlighting enough in the apps. When you put a big button there, on the on the podcast when you're listening to the podcast to say you know right there where you got the skip skip forward backward pause you put a big donate support the show that's as per the spec you can determine what that says it's it's like okay you know and you can even if you want you can click on apple pay i don't have a Apple Pay, but this particular interface, you know, the website or whatever it was that loads has it. I mean, it's just so simple. So simple. But the funding button is not prevalent everywhere, not the way we did boosts. Well, that's the Buzzsprout model. Yes, but

26:53 that's they sort of created that for their customers, that page, that page, that single page experience that can open in a web view. Yeah, I mean, it's like it's so simple. It's so easy. Yeah. I just think it's worth considering for the app developers out there to really highlight that button. If someone's got a funding tag, make it pop. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Now, I know Daniel J. Lewis was working on all kinds of... My eyes started to glaze over as we're going through how can we use Stripe to be able to get the podcast apps a piece of the action. I'm not even sure it's resolved yet, but I really like the work. I like that... They were delving into it, long conversation thread. James jumped in. I'm not sure if we resolved anything there, if we can set it so that the app that you're that you're boosting from donating from, etc., can automatically get a piece of the action. Thank you. Um... I don't know why... PodPage doesn't do this. I mean, wouldn't that be, wouldn't that be just a natural place for a thing like this to exist for a page like this to exist? not quite sure what you mean the

28:24 like if you host a site on pod page why would it not why would they not have a pay a single page payment portal that oh no well but the thing is you can build it from anything i mean you know you can have your Your robot build it. I mean, anything can be done. What is this? Onlyboosts.social. Look at this. What does that mean? Check it out. Who built this? Onlyboosts.social. There's a link in the boardroom. Is it supposed to be like OnlyFans? It is. Yes, it's OnlyBoost. This is very interesting. Look at this. Well, this is cool. Eric PP, did you do this?

29:05 What is this? Well, let me see. Let me boost this show. Boost, opening, boom. Oh, Noster. Okay. I don't Sign in with Noster. You lost me. But the idea is cool. I like the idea. I don't want to sign in with Noster. Speaking of... Hey, hang on just a second. Okay, I'll be right back. Okay. In the meantime, I will just... Let me see. Who did this? read oh they have the only the only i just i just got stuck on the nostril bit um It's like what I want there is I just want copy this invoice or whatever, you know, send this through my strike wallet and I'm done.

30:01 that would be the way to do it okay bye okay sorry my wife my wife's going out of town oh well that was a very quick goodbye do you want to take a few more minutes i mean if you're going to give me time i made i don't need long well go say go good go say i'm kidding that was a joke a few minutes would do it probably three No, she's fine. He was heading out the door and saying bye. The boardroom says bye. Hi, Melissa! Hi, Melissa. what is it so what you found out what this is only boosts is this like a nostre thing well that only it's the right idea it asked me for uh for a nostre login right away and then i kind of give up okay have you heard of buzz no Let me see if I can find this. Jack Dorsey. Oh, yes, I have. The agent communication thing? Yeah. Are you moving on to a new topic? No, I'm not. I was just, the Nostra thing reminded me of it. I just thought that you got your robots doing a whole bunch of stuff. Maybe Buzz would help you. Yeah, you know, it's like I need another robot to look after the robots. This reminds me of when I had a lot of money and I had houses and I had people looking after the houses.

31:21 Then I had people to look after the people looking after houses and then those people would get in fights with the accountant and the whole thing sucked. It's yeah, I literally had three terminal windows today open and I'm and all three are doing something and I'm watching all three and I'm bopping between each one of them giving them different instructions. I'm like, this is hard. this that's that's why you need the buzz thing i don't know let them coordinate it themselves ever since the robot sent an email to you on behalf of me i've become very cautious with robots controlling robots That was funny. That was not funny. It was funny to me, and I knew it would not be funny to you. One of your agents sent me an email, and I was like, and the part that made me chuckle It said, thanks, Adam. No, it said, thanks, M-Adam. And I was like, wait a second. Somebody has hacked Adam's email. This is not him. Oh, man. Yeah, I... Well, this all comes back to I was, you know, I've been going through the process of shutting down our lightning node this week.

32:39 Yes. And, whoo! Boy. That's tough. It's intense. Yeah. This... L and D is not for mortals. No. Um, This is a thing that was created by a bunch of computer science nerds. And, and, Like... It's taken, it has taken about a week just to shut down or just to close all the channels. Yeah. Uh, it's, I mean, it's going to be another 10 days roughly before we can actually take the whole thing offline to try to get, you know, cause we're, I'm, I'm rushing, I'm racing the clock because I don't want to pay another 200 and something dollars, 240, 240 voltage fee, but yeah. so we had to force close some channels. We had a hundred and... Oh, we had tons of channels. Forty? Yeah.

33:43 140 channels? Yep, yep. And it turns out LND is just not built for that. So, the only way for mildly technical people to manage an LND node is... Is to use a graph, a UI tool, something like Ride the Lightning or something. Yeah, but that wouldn't even load on ours. But it won't load because our database is so humongous that it's completely unusable. Yeah. And it takes... about seven hours for our node to reboot i unlocked it by the way i saw it the other mornings just sitting there oh thank you i appreciate it thank you so our our our database in lnd is so large that every nothing works the only thing you can do is manage it through the lncli command line tool yeah yeah And so that means I have to go start researching how to do all this stuff through the LNCLI. Finally, I just said, because it involves... Close all.

34:59 Yeah. It's like... Find some way to do a channel listing. Okay, you get that far. Now you have to go and copy and paste, copy out the channel ID with an index because you can have multiple channel IDs with the same index. not a hash but with different indexes and so i had to go through and and and you know you got to find those and put them in finally i just said you know why am i doing this and so i just i just vibe coded a thing i said give me a script here here's the here's your your um uh macaroon Go. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm like, no, you can't have the macaroon.

35:46 This cookie is not for you. But I want a script where I can stick in the macaroon, and I just want to be able to give a number. I want to say, I want a script where I can give it a count and say, close the five. Or X number of lowest capacity channels. Just do it. Because sometimes the channel is offline or it's online. And if it's offline, you're going to have to force close it. So, I got this little script. I start running this thing. So, it's cooperatively closing online channels. It's force closing channels. Channels that are offline. And that's what I've been doing for roughly a week. Sometimes LNCLI will lock up and never respond. Mm-hmm. I know this. We should have known this when they said, just boost bigger amounts. We should have known back then that this was never really engineered for micropayments the way we envisioned it. And really, the only way that this lightning network actually works is if you have a couple channels with huge capacity to other nodes with a couple channels with huge capacity. Yeah, that's the only way it works. And it works quite well, actually, when you do that. Like, strike, you know, works great, but, you know, we understand what's going on in the background. And classic us... This move is way

37:17 too early. Way too early. That's my brand, baby. It's your brand, yes. You just need a teacher to say, I was too early. Yeah, but this, so I think I sent you a whole document about the... 400x protocol that Cloudflare is you know is behind with their stable coin gambit. Yeah. You watch. You watch. That's going to take off. And it won't take off with us, but it'll take off because it's going to be all AI agents running around doing little micropayments with each other. And it's going to be kind of the same idea. But we're still... Obviously stuck with the brain problem that people have of Bitcoin, stablecoin, whatever it is, coin, any other coin than their own currency. It's just difficult. And I'm just going to keep asking for the funding tag button to be big. on the apps it works and you know i i'd love to figure out how we can get the apps a part of that money that was that was the beauty of what we had built the splits that was the beauty of it And I just don't know if we can ever get that together. I think, yeah, I think so. I think we can. I think the problem was a... a philosophical disconnect between between

38:56 What? the light what we envisioned lightning to be and what The lightning Bitcoin ecosystem envisioned lightning to be. Mm-hmm. You know, we saw the world a specific way. And that's actually not the way they saw it. No. And that's not a technical problem. That's a worldview problem. Mm-hmm. And, you know, there's stuff – I can send a payment right now from cash app to strike using Lightning, and it works fine. And that's fine. If that's what they want, that's fine. But, like, self-sovereign, low-fee – Payments, that works well. Only in a very specific way.

40:00 circumstance with a highly technical individual. Or group with lots of available financial resources. And time. Lots of time. And time. It's not for, it's just never going to be sufficient for your average, I just want to get paid podcaster. Yeah. But a platform like a fountain or a true fans or something like that, they can – do those things they they can but our our our vision me and you our vision was just was that some was just that a podcaster could just turn this stuff on yeah yeah that as also our brand yes Yeah, exactly. Oh, you can do it. It has to be doable by the average Joe in this kitchen. Yeah, and also for the average listener who wants to support. I mean, that's always been the issue. is how do I do this? I've helped so many people calling on the phone crying. I really want to support the show, but I don't understand how to get the stats from here to there and back into this. And it's so complicated.

41:12 I want to be a part of the future. And now they're all, they hate me now. They don't talk to me anymore. Well, I'm really happy that, like, you know, A bunch of people in the boardroom saying, you know, my note still works great, all this kind of... I'm glad. I'm glad. Yeah. I think that that is... I want... Because the theory of all this stuff still works. Mm-hmm. It works fine. If Sir Spencer and Chad F and, you know, Eric PP and Salty Crayon, if... if all these people have they if they have lightning nodes and they're you know sending each other money that's all that's great it works it does but it works but you you can't get your average you know baby boomer at church no on boarded with this thing it just it's not it can't happen it doesn't work Well, Daniel J. Lewis says that he may have something for us soon. Within a week or two. Okay, I can wait. I can wait for a week or two. That'd be great, but I think everybody needs to do this.

42:14 Sam at TrueFans, you need to have this page. I don't see the page as being the problem. There's lots of systems that let you set up a page with different options. But the content has to come first. The page has to exist. Then the apps see that everybody is starting to adopt this page, and that is the impetus for them to put the big button on. Oh, I see what you're saying. Well, I have a page right now. I have a page. for we get to do this I have a page no agenda has a page it's in the boost in the funding tag it's in there I think. Double check. I think it goes to noagendadonations.com, which is exactly where I want it to go. let me check i'm pretty sure that's just it always cracks me up the little button on podcast index with the pig and the coin piggy bank yeah no agenda donations.com yeah support the show boom no agenda donations.com that's what i want That's all. Donate with PayPal, Stripe, Bitcoin. It's all there. Donate through the P.O. Box. It's perfect. Looks nice. Looks beautiful. If I can get the node fully shut down. So we have... There's three channels left. One... The force close should be settled by now,

43:48 probably. It's probably already done. There's another one that's going to take about another three days, and there's one that's going to take like nine days to settle the force close transaction. Once those are done, I should be able to fully shut the node down, and then we can work on this. And then I'll take that money – Uh, excuse me, not take the money. Excuse me. The, the, and run the, I'm out. Uh, there's a, there's, there's a virtual machine that's actually pretty sizable. I need, I need to see how big that thing is, but it's not insignificant. I think it may be an eight gig Linode machine. That does nothing but node management of our node. Oh yeah. Okay. And so then that will recover that money as well. Okay. That, and then, and then I think that is probably enough to cover the bigger database. Okay. Oh, nice. Oh, that's nice. And so I'm looking at the Pod News Weekly Review, support this podcast. It goes to the Buzzsprout page, power supporter. And I don't like what I'm seeing, but it's okay. I mean, it says become a monthly supporter. What if I just want to support $3 a month? If you ask for tips, you're going to get tips, brothers. this no there's no eric there's no open donation eric said uh how how should we boost you and adam from now on just uh through i've already changed our splits it's all going to the podcast index uh at get albie.com

45:21 so we're just we're just gonna switch everything to the albie hub yeah because it's so small anyway Now, of course, my Start 9 isn't working anymore. Why? What happened? I don't know. I went to open up Helipad, and the Tor doesn't connect. I rebooted the box. Tor doesn't connect. Nothing. Could it be something? I don't know. I have to figure it out now. I didn't have time to fix it before the... before the shit you know it's probably because they they jumped on the knots thing and it probably screwed up the whole node do you follow any of that oh is this one yeah yeah 110 and start knives like yeah we're all for this so the node probably broke i don't know what happened is knots a dead thing now i don't know i don't know it didn't work out that's all i know it was a lot of noise for something that didn't work out Yeah, for sure. Yeah, so... You got anything else on that or I can switch gears? No, you can switch gears. uh we probably need i want to talk about first of all you're buzzing you're buzzing what's buzzing yeah you're buzzing yeah let me check i did nothing yeah you did no i didn't yeah there's a usb cable near your mic cable i've i've done nothing okay it's gone now yeah you're just like the vorac no no nothing changed all i did was put some

46:52 chocolate by my keyboard oh there it is stop it with the chocolate it's got lead in it okay spotify skip ahead button oh well yes this is exactly where i wanted to go but i was leaving it up to you and i would like to um give everybody the quote of the week The quote of the week comes to you from the Podsage, I quote verbatim. I look at what AMP wants podcast app developers to do in support of advertisers. Then I look at what podcast app developers are actually doing with advert skipping. One of those will win out, and it isn't the one that requires tons of first-party data, collection, reporting, and the taking on of privacy liabilities. Was signed Dave Jones, August 7th, 2026. Undersigned. Move the chocolate because that buzz is back.

47:50 Move the chocolate. I did nothing. I'm telling you. I haven't even eaten. I've not even eaten the chocolate. It's always a USB cable that does this. I mean, I can sh- I can sh- Just move- Just move the cable. I'm just gonna get- Look- there that yeah perfect do it live i just i just i just whacked the roadcaster stop the hammering What kind of chocolate this is? I don't know. It has no, it's generic chocolate. It has natural flavors. Oh, Chaka Love Chaka Love Chaka Love Spell this for me Chaka Love C-H-O-C-O-L-O-V-E Chaka Love Chaka Love, that is our show title Perfect And right under it it's got X-O-X-O-X-O Chaka Love, baby Yeah That's You know there's a rapper out there named Chocolove. Yeah, that's 100% the case. Word. So, yeah, like people are losing their mind about the Spotify skip ahead button. This is inevitable. Well, first of all, I thought, you know, I'm in the secret WhatsApp group. I love that you're in this. You can relay. I can't believe they haven't kicked me out yet. I mean, I'm just a lurker.

49:15 And in the secret WhatsApp group, so there was kind of a lead up to this. so we so first we had podtastic right remember podtastic yeah oh yeah and then came castria which sounds a lot like castration i don't know why that's a terrible name for an app yeah castria and and i think they all kind of do the same thing it's like you know it downloads the show and then it You know, gives you opportunities to skip. And what was interesting is in the WhatsApp group, when I think it was Castrio, when that came out, the Criddler went nuts. He's like, this is bad, this is an outrage. And he filed a copyright violation against them in the app stores.

50:02 Because they're infringing on copyright, which I actually don't think they are. Is it like maybe an international thing, difference? No, no. The idea that it's changing, you know, it's changing your material. Whatever. If they're re-hosting it, there's an argument there. But re-hosting it on the app? Yeah. Yeah, no, that you don't local. You don't. I think so. But it doesn't matter. OK. All right. But the outrage was just off the charts. And then Spotify comes out with pretty much the same thing. And it was like, oh, we've got to look at this. What are they doing? You know, but I didn't see anyone filing any copyright claims against the Spotify app. So I just thought that was interesting. And then subsequently... Well, the Spotify app, in their defense, they just have a button. That other app does it automatically. Okay. So... This and this goes to what I've been saying for months. And I think you just said it is unavoidable. It is the future.

51:09 Because everybody now can vibe code their own thing. Yeah, you know, it may take you eight weeks to get it approved through the App Store, the way things are going. But, you know, this is the future and i used to get really upset just by the fast you know the two two x three x speed because to me that was a i felt violated like i put all this effort in to make everything sound good i put in And pauses, John and I would have pauses that were purposeful, meaningful, and intentional. And, you know, Overcast cuts them out. You know, like, oh, and I felt my art was violated, but I gave up because, hey, you know, I give you the show, you do whatever you want with it. And... This is where all applications are going. All applications will be completely user-defined. I know because I'm already doing it myself. I don't have to use your stupid outlook. I created my own spreadsheet viewer, and it works the way I want it to. And I just did it by telling the robot to build something and it built it. Boom, done. So this is going to happen. This is unavoidable. And people do not care in general. First of all, most people think that the app is putting the ads in. They don't even realize that it comes from the podcasters. I hear this

52:40 all the time. yes hey man you know this this podverse app you keep telling me to use it's putting ads in man no no that's actually not the app that is from the podcaster um when someone pays a premium for YouTube, as an example. Now, YouTube, of course, is very separate because they sell the ads. But, you know, you don't get to... as a producer you don't put in your own dynamically inserted ads youtube does all that for you so youtube then gives you i think 45 of a subscription fee for that second that someone apparently listened and so there's some kind of compensation but when people pay for an ad-free experience on spotify they expect an ad-free experience Including dynamically insert ads, which is really where it all went wrong. It all went wrong with the dynamically inserted ads. And people, funny enough... You know, it's tolerated, it's a part of culture, we've had ads in our face all this time. But no one really likes them, even though they're helpful and they don't even realize how it works. But ultimately, the way computing is going with with local LLMs and scripting capabilities that you can just ask your phone or your computer to make something. It's all, it's, people are going to do

54:10 it. You can't stop it. It's like ad blockers. You know, the ad blockers are just a thing. And no one even thinks twice about them. This is going the way of blogs. It just will. That's, yeah, the blog analogy is probably the best one I've heard. I mean, nobody or very, very few people can make, the only people making money off blogs are people who are blogs that take paid subscribers. well like on a sub stack or a stratechery or one of those sub stack is genius sub stack is genius because they make it possible for it's kind of an although you can say this is only for subscribers which i know i don't like i got don't feel like it um but once you've supported one of the sub stacks Then it's just one click. Then it's just like, oh, okay. Yeah, I want to support this guy with $8 a month. Click. One click, done. And it just runs until you look at your credit card statement like, why am I supporting this guy again? But to me, it's still the... The open value-for-value system is still the best. It still is the best way to do it. It's just it's not for everybody. And we still have this mentality of old school, there's 24 hours in a day, there's 60 minutes in an hour, we're going to allocate five minutes of that hour towards commercials, it's a linear system. It just doesn't

55:42 really work, except at huge scale, which is where Google wins. Yeah, I think along those same lines, I mean, it shows – to me, it shows – the skip ahead button thing shows how much more valuable – Premium subscribers are than ad support. I mean, ad revenue can generate large numbers on paper, but when it comes to profit, I've yet to see that it's very profitable in the digital age. You know, unless you're It works for things like Google and Facebook because they own the entire stack. Yeah, including the ads there on the ad sales side. Yeah, they're selling the ads and displaying the ads and have all the users and have all the advertisers and have all the businesses. It's a closed ecosystem. And we still don't actually know if they're even profitable. Yeah.

56:52 Exactly. That's exactly. Because YouTube never breaks out their profit. Nope. And they've never spun YouTube off as a separate business, which is an obvious thing to do. Yes. So Spotify feels like giving their paying subscribers the ability to skip ads. They feel that that is worth it. That's worth it to keep the paying subscribers paying. over what they would lose from the ad revenue yeah so they there you do this calculation and you say okay well if i do this button i'm going to lose a specific i'm going to lose a certain amount of ad revenue i'm going to make a certain amount of people angry but i am willing to lose that because the risk of losing our premium users to YouTube who also has this skip button. Yeah, it's too is too high.

57:47 Because YouTube already has the skip button and has had it for a long time. Right. But this isn't even about skip, man. This is about everything. Well, I agree. But it's like, do... The interesting thing to me is Spotify, you go back to the amp accords, which I'm probably the only person that will ever still talk about the amp accords. Everybody else is like the whole world has moved on. But the amp accord, Spotify was supposedly in the room with the amp people. We can't confirm that because not everybody agreed to be publicly recognized. They were on the list. Yeah. and then they turn around and do this yeah they they agreed to all these things yeah we're we're all on board with the amp thing and uh and then they turn around do a skip button yeah like whoa i mean that's just like rug pulling the hell out of everybody that was part of the amp thing um So it's clearly for the same reason that YouTube does. Am I – My feeling is that YouTube makes... Way more money from premium subscribers than they do from advertising. So they use the fact that advertising is super annoying as the single primary driver to make you sign up for premium. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

59:19 Advertising is only useful to these sorts of companies as a way to drive you to pay them cash on a monthly basis for premium subscription. Mm-hmm. You know… And it's exactly what you said is, The, the old model of linear broadcasting. Honestly, okay, if you think about it, The only two advertising – sort of advertising-supported content delivery mechanisms that we've ever had fully advertising-supported were broadcast television and broadcast radio.

1:00:00 There were other ads – there were other ad-supported mediums like newspapers and magazines, but they were not fully ad-supported. You still had to buy a subscription. The advertising dollars for magazines and newspapers and those kinds of – those were additional revenue for the publication. But let us remember, where did the real revenue come from for newspapers? Classified ads. Yeah, that's right. And so you had multiple revenue streams. The only two things that were ever fully supported by advertising only were broadcast, linear broadcast radio and television. And those, like you said, the inventory constraint, the scarcity of the number of hours in a day. Yep. Yep.

1:00:47 made that a workable model but that just is that those days are gone gone dead she's dead jim hey by the way my start nine just came alive oh how about that all channels are closed hey those bastards at podcast index closed my channel yeah you're starting out it's like we're so back wait what yeah so i just i mean this this is inevitable but just go beyond it because if you look at what uh cast castratia did um castradia castradia let me see castria podcast app Because it had some other interesting features that I thought were, okay, here, Castria app. It hasn't been taken down yet. I wonder why. Um... Okay, so they sell it as the Castree app skips the ads in every podcast for you automatically. 100% free! Plus, here it is.

1:01:52 AI summary, searchable transcripts, tap to jump topics, offline listening, You know, it's starting to do things that I'm interested in. Just a simple example. Now, I have more time on my hands for some reason, but every Friday, I want to get the latest from Pod News Weekly Review. And I just have my robot, my robot knows, hey, it's time for podcasting 2.0. Okay, all right, I'm going to go look at all of Dave's posts on the index. I'm going to go look at JS, because Sporlock always has interesting things to look at. It looks at my bench of articles I've saved. And then it goes and gets the transcript from actually does its own transcript.

1:02:44 So it gets a pod news weekly review, gets the transcript and then looks for things that I'm interested in. And it cross references the topics that you're talking about and Spurlock is talking about. It surfaces those and it gives me a little clip to listen to. I mean, come on. It's beautiful. It is beautiful. And I just, you know, I just dreamt it up. The dream build loop is phenomenal. These... excuse me eric pp yes today's two witty openers were literally written by the robot i was surprised myself that, The way that These things are right now. I don't, I'm guessing Castria is vibe coded.

1:03:37 I'm, I'm assuming that it is. I mean, these, maybe, maybe I'm, maybe I'm wrong. I wonder who's behind it. Hmm. this is a knowing thing i don't know i wonder who's behind it wonder who's vibe coding a lot hmm i wonder who created that app hmm so the current state of them boils down to all these ad skipping apps boils down to this oh If you want an app that randomly removes parts of the podcast that you're listening to grab one of these apps yeah because right now they do they are completely all over the map they will just pull entire sections of that of the episode out that don't that are not ads but because they think it is And you'll just randomly find parts missing. So, but that's the, that's always the first level, the first go. These things will get better over time. They always do. And in a few years, In a few years, ad skipping is just going to be the way this stuff works, man. Everything is going to do it. everything's gonna do your baked in ad sorry it's not gonna survive it's just not so i don't know what the i don't know what the answer is this this is the this was always the problem with the with with the amp records and with all these discussions is the heart the more ads you bake it

1:05:10 i i listened to A couple of iHeartRadio podcasts, one of them is Better Offline, the Edzitron. That thing is covered with ads. It's eaten up with ads. The ad load in iHeart, on iHeart, the ad load is huge. Mm-hmm. And it's always funny to me because their tagline for iHeart Podcast is guaranteed human, but like a good 50% of the ad reads are AI generated, obviously. So those things are covered up with ads. Acast Podcast covered up with ads. This is an industry that's just shooting itself in the foot. Yeah, like they always do. Always.

1:05:59 But I'm not sad about it, honestly. I'm not. I get everything I want. I pay for things. You know, I support stuff. that's that's how that's how it works for me and all this other stuff is just it's in the way man it's in the way and you know we have we have what an extra 500 000 podcasts that have been created that very few listen to that have all been vibe coded and uh text-to-speech created it's all useless and you know what podcasters themselves are idiots you know the whole idea how do you really feel yeah i'm gonna break it down for you let's dive in deep dive deep dive let's do a deep dive You know, Tina used to listen to the Megyn Kelly podcast. And then Megyn Kelly went video. And then she would watch the Megyn Kelly podcast on YouTube. And then, of course, what you do is you create, you know, your little segments and you post that in the shorts or you create, you know, a 14-minute segment of a certain guest. And then she only watches that. I mean, you're shooting yourself in the foot. And this whole HLS video, I love it, man. I love that it technically works, but... Even on, I don't know the exact details, but with RSS.com, okay, you're not starting off free,

1:07:30 you have to get the max plan, and I'm not sure if there are limitations, they may have none, because those guys, they've got some magic voodoo over there, love them. where it's like, oh, just do whatever you want. Wow, that's great. But ultimately, everyone has to put some limits on the amount of accesses you can have of your HLS video And it's just going to come down to, okay, what kind of money can I actually make on it to offset the cost versus throwing your crap up on YouTube or on X? I think X is actually going to, you watch with this X money thing, Elon's going to do something with that that's going to screw up YouTube big time. You really think so? Yeah, I do. I do. Everybody hates him so much, though.

1:08:24 But that's irrelevant. Money is money. i can't tolerate x no anymore it's just it's nothing but russian car crash videos and but that's your algo you have ads on x i don't have any ads i don't know what ads you're talking about i mean they're they're just native they look like riposte sure But people will, if you have a link to your podcast and it's video, it won't be audio, it's video, and it's on X and you can click a button with your X money. Hey, I got $25 free from Elon for just signing up for X money. I got 25 bucks. I love Elon.

1:09:06 He's a great guy. Yeah. I love that guy. I love that guy. You know, I don't, no, I just, I don't see it. None of it makes any sense. And ultimately, the audience is in control. The audience is in control. And RSS and podcasting, The way it was created was completely the antithesis of what it's trying to be shoehorned into. Well, I think, and I think you're right. It all started with dynamic ad insertion. That's where it screwed it up. That's the, that was the beginning of what will, that was the beginning of what will ultimately become dynamic. a medium that is forced into subscription support yeah but that is so limited but i'm when i say subscription support i should that was a mistake i should have said direct audiences Okay, yeah, that's different. Because subscription support, yeah, if you have 100,000 people, then you can convert 10,000 of those to $1 a month, boom, you know, that's a living.

1:10:12 But you got to get to that 100,000 first. You don't do that by saying, well, if you really want to hear the good stuff, the premium content, give me a break. no i'm a broadcaster from the old days you know it's got to be free to air people got to be able to access it and then you just have to tell them like hey you know if you don't support us we go away and it works well the bitcoin lightning ecosystem wedged itself into a hole where it every it went it's like uh Okay, we're going to take what could have been this – what could have been a – A support mechanism layered on top of podcasting, an open podcasting for open source all the way down. And, and decided through, I don't know, VC or, or something driven mechanics to, to bifurcate the this whole you know lightning into two systems over here on we're gonna have nostrils apps and we're gonna have podcasting boosts yeah exactly the best blah blah blah the best thing about it was bitcoin the worst thing about it was bitcoin it was the best and the worst of both things but now but now i think um So now it's making itself irrelevant. And then – so what we're left with is – Like for forcing. Forcing

1:11:43 podcasting in, like... What am I trying to say? I don't know. What are you trying to say? Say something. I think what we were trying to do, we were trying to build a system on top of podcasting that was also open. That would allow everybody to get paid. Yeah. Including the apps. Right. And so now that is still the goal. Yeah. Because if we look into the future of a time when advertising is blocked at the app level across the board, there has to be some other mechanism in place to allow... Value for value to continue to support podcasters and for them to make a living. And I think that what we're left with is things like X402, funding tag, you know, I don't know, some sort of stable coin. I don't know. There's other mechanisms in play. Well, the funding tag just works for me. And it was really our own app where I discovered, oh, man, this is just so easy. It has a big button right there. Support this show. Click. Opens up. Okay. Oh, Stripe, well, I'm already somehow, it has my information already. I don't know if that's through Shopify

1:13:15 or something else. I'm not sure how that got in there, but okay. So it stored my payment method and I just pay. with a message and you know i've been doing this for we get to do this this is so beautiful so we have um stripe and paypal and stripe has apple pay it's got all venmo it's all no paypal is part of venmo or venmo is part of paypal all so everything is covered everything and i built my own helipad I said, Robot, I need to have a spreadsheet for every show. Robot went, okay, Adam. I need some tokens for the API. Here's how you get them. Okay. Make sure it's read-only, Adam. Okay.

1:14:04 And I give it the tokens in an env file. And it builds a spreadsheet for me. It's beautiful. It has the comments, it goes into my email, checks for any comments that were sent to notes at WGTDT.com, pulls them out, puts them in. This is what I'm talking about. The world is changing so rapidly. And if I can do it, other people can do this too. For sure. Yeah, for sure. Only the blessed, but otherwise. Doba. Yeah. I'm not... I'm hopeful. I'm hopeful for... For the future of... Um... Creators having a way to, for podcasters, have a way to get paid value for value. Uh, in, in that's, that says this that's open especially and one thing that gives me hope is the most recent apple um court yeah uh stuff like within the last couple of days yeah they they have had you know they've they've essentially if you're what if you're watching if you're keeping track of this they've admitted the fees are

1:15:37 too high that they shouldn't have charged they if actually if you read between the lines they're saying that they should have charged zero yeah yeah Just a response to Chad F. Yes, Chad F. Podverse has a funding tag, but it's a little icon with a dollar sign on a coin going into a slot. You know, that's obscure to me. like i need because i got a big play button a big live button i've got a big unsubscribe but it's easy to unsubscribe but it's not easy to pay right under the unsubscribe put put donate that's my point yes it's there but i i can't tell everybody for every app go and look for this go and look for the little icon of a coin with a dollar sign on it people that's my point it's a user experience issue it's not a technical issue So, yeah, so just – I guess what I'm trying to say is I have a hope that there is – there's alternatives beyond lightning and – They seem to be all easy to adopt. We just have to make sure, which has been our thing from the very beginning, we have to make sure that the app gets a cut.

1:16:53 Yeah. That is the way to success. You have to, if you don't, if you, if, if there, if another system crops up where only the creator and, and the hosting companies get paid and the advertise or the, you know, the, the advertisers, uh, advertising agencies, if, if only those people get paid again, well, then it's a failure. And Daniel J. Lewis, don't tell me not to use the word donate. That's not true. I've been using that for 19 years on no agenda. We say donate. So don't tell me that we need to stop using that word. Um, I think it's, there's a, there's a couple of things, uh, that I want to talk to. I want to, we probably want to talk about this next week and I want to cover it. Like I, I was going to talk about it today, but I think I want to talk about it next week because I need time. I want to throw together some rough ideas first. Um, yeah. Alberto from RSS.com reached out to me about a... About publishing a, adding a public, a new public data set to the, to the index. Interesting. With all the location tags that we have. And so... What he, what he's, what his thought is. Is that if we have a public data set of all the location tags that we could build an Atlas or some other

1:18:24 tool like the same way that that was done for PodRoll. So basically a huge discovery mechanism based on that big, that data set. For geolocation in apps. For geolocation, yeah, for like where... Because he was giving examples. I haven't really even looked at that data in a long time. He was giving examples of some really interesting location tags that he's finding in podcasts. Well, they have in RSS.com in their publish interface, the publish dashboard, they give you two location tag options. You can use both. What is this about and where is this recorded? yes that's great i love that and some of the things that he was uh mentioning in his note to me were really cool you know like some uh if i remember right it's like a church in the side of a mountain in italy or something like it was really neat i mean and so i think we can use I think he's right. We need to make this more easily accessible to people. So I'm, I'm game to do this and I want, I want to get a rough data set up first next week. Uh, and I'll, I'll, uh, have a location for it on the show next week.

1:19:42 And then If other people have ideas about, then once people see it, they could give feedback on how they would change, you know, if it needs changes or whatever. That's a good idea. It's also good for people who want to start a podcast. Where is something missing? Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, kind of like the way they do with categories. It's like, what is a niche category? Yeah, yeah. And I'm all about hyper-local. I mean, that's still the way to go. Hyper-local podcasting is dynamite. Lots of people are doing it. They have a lot of fun. They're not doing it for money necessarily, but they are often supported by their local community. And we have the North Idaho, North ID podcast, N-O-I-D, I can't remember the name of it. They're kind of doing a local no agenda for the Idaho, for their area of Idaho. And it's super popular. Yeah, this is where you can still have a lot of success. Where everything, the whole podcast industrial complex pushes everybody towards volume. Gotta have more volume. Grow your show. Grow your show. R.I.P. Todd. Yeah. And then the other thing was... The podcast contact tag. I'm high on this thing. I still think it's a good idea. Yeah.

1:21:07 I do too. Can we, can somebody, Daniel, Daniel, you're busy. Can somebody write this up as a PR? I think he already did a lot of this work with... with uh san filipo yeah he did but um I would like to have it as a pull request. Yeah, but don't distract the child from the good work he's already doing. He's working on the splits with Stripe. That's why I said he's busy. But you put it out there. Okay. Daniel, when you're done with the Stripe thing, then do that. Or if somebody else wants to do it, somebody else can do it. But don't get distracted.

1:21:57 Yeah, please don't. Squirrel, I'm going to run over here. I think it's a great idea, and I think it needs to move forward. I'm with you on that. I'm with you. i'm with you big time what is the podcast contact tag again that's just all the different ways that you can uh contact the podcaster so or the show in in question yes So, uh, you know, it's, let me see if I've got, maybe I have a link to it. Let me see. Copy. Yes, I do. Here we go. Here you go, Eric. In the boardroom, uh, right there. There's, that will tell you everything you need to know. Nice. Uh, yeah. So I think that's, uh, I think those two things probably are important. Um, I want. Probably again, probably something again for next week would be the podcast image tag. I want to have an idea for using that. For custom app icon delivery?

1:22:55 I mean, just have your app resize it on the fly. Yeah, but this is an example of a method of using it, yeah. but uh well we can talk about this next week i know we're running low on time well let us thank some people for supporting the podcast index and the entire project that it is we're repurposing machines now that's what it's come down to yeah uh but we we really appreciate everybody who supports us value for value um We've got a donate button. Oh, my God. We're not a nonprofit. We've got a donate button at the bottom of our page, podcastindex.org. You are supporting the lifeblood of Podcast Index. Adam and Dave get none of this. We put it into... kitty and it supports all of the uh all of the machines and everything that is running to keep this going with some room to spare so we appreciate it as you continue to support every single dollar makes a difference even five dollars buys us one of our little mini servers for a month so we appreciate all of you and i unfortunately i have no way of Looking at anything past one week ago, On helipad. Why? Because my channel's closed.

1:24:10 Two weeks ago, I'm sorry. Two weeks ago. Yeah, this thing sucks. But it still should be in the helipad. Yeah. What thing sucks? Start nine. No, it'd be closed two weeks ago. So I only have... Oh, I see. The last... I have a True Fans four sats. So that was a streaming payment. For episode 266, and I don't have anything else, then it's two weeks ago. So you probably have more accurate information than I have. Uh, well, let me do, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not sure I'm going to have much more accurate information than you do. I've got, uh, I, I extracted this, I extracted the Albie hub data. And it was like, there's nothing there. Everyone's given up on us. I guess. Those guys. Well, ComicShareBlogger is the last of the Mohicans. DCGirl said that she sent us a comment, and I can't find it. I'm going to have to get her to resend it. No. uh we see we got some paypals we got a bunch of them actually chris bernardic five bucks thank you Dreb Scott, $15. Thank you, Dreb. Michael Kemmerer, $5.33. Charles Hicks, $5. Um... Let's see, is this a one-off? No, it's a... uh oh paul de bruin

1:25:43 yeah this is a one-off uh ten dollars a great job you were doing he says thank you paul well thank you paul cameron rose 25 bucks thank you cam nice Uh, let's see. This is the... oh this is from ralph uh ralpha step 50 bucks thank you ralph uh martin lindascope one dollar thank you martin uh pod page brendan mulligan and pod page 25 bucks thank you brendan uh joseph maraca five bucks uh thank you uh oh look what we got look what we got here uh oh it's a one-off from blueberry a hundred dollars nice i'll give you a baller for that shot collar 20 inch blades on the impala nice thank you boys and girls blueberry he says from uh from the guys and gals at blueberry not fringe anymore go podcasting not fringe where is my go podcasting where did that thing go That's interesting. let's see we got you lost your go pocket I just got it Mitchell Downey, 50 bucks Thank you Mitch Christopher Harbark, 10 bucks A double From Mitch, 10 bucks Damon Kasajak, 15 We got a one-off Another one-off I don't know how to pronounce His name,

1:27:13 10 dollars from rare rare is i own petrescu it's r a r a r e s dash i o a n thank you yes thank you very much uh terry keller five dollars and i'm sorry for messing your name up uh Silicon Florist, $10. Thank you. Christopher Cowan, $5. Paul Salzman, $22.22. As always, Darry J. Visker. Darry J. Visker, the best name in podcasting, $21. Unol Campolot, $5. Thank you. Thank you. Appreciate that. uh jeremy girds five dollars and that's it and that's our that's our paypals and and the the proof is always in the pudding you know if i look at op3.dev i'm gonna look at how many people actually apparently download this show i wouldn't say that they uh podcasting 2.0 let's see what op3 says Uh, we don't even show up on the list anymore. we don't here we go we're page four okay we suck let me see here's an example let me see what we what we have so the last 30 days is a bad example of course because we we're missing two shows we've been gone too long let me go back to well that's June 1st. I

1:28:48 mean, so we have 5,000 downloads in the last 30 days. You can't even get inserted ads with that amount of downloads. Oh, yes. It's weak. It's too weak. Yeah. So, well, actually, our downloads in July. Oh, in June. Here we go. June... unique audience in june whatever spurlock says is is i'll take it as gospel 5721 we're running an entire index off of this with people just supporting us with value for value that's my point it's amazing yeah no it's not it's it's how it works But that's the beauty of it. And we're just yapping.

1:29:32 We're just catching up. You know, communities involved and they support us. That's all that it has to be. Now, if we said we're closing it down and we need to have money to survive, people would support us or not. yeah or they wouldn't and we wouldn't survive yeah it's that simple it's really that simple that's just me let me see uh we got a reran so i'm i'm I said that I would fix the Albi Hub export thing, and I mostly did. Mm-hmm. Uh, so I got...

1:30:12 Uh, I got three. I just reran it again. I got three out of here, but for some reason I can't see the message that I think may be from Martin Lindeskog or it might be from Sam. It's on true fans. And I don't, don't know what let me read the first two i got we got three one of them is uh from fountain user 9401873488328 and he or she says have some sats before ai steals them it's 10 000 sats nice thank you comic strip blogger is the delimiter but i want to try to find this other one first though it's a true fan so if i take this url this boost url from true fans yeah and you hit it And if I copy it and paste it into a web browser... I was thinking that I would see the boost message. But what I see is just... Our page on true fans. no comment no no boost there i'm gonna try to read the message out of the spreadsheet of the database yes get it from yeah get it from the table okay it says i will continue to stream satoshis do you have a snail mail address i would like to send you a symbolic silver coin Oh, someday in the cutoff

1:31:45 morning. uh in the morning may here's another one let me try this other one this looks like the same message this is fascinating this is great stuff and Payment? See, because I hit the payment URL. Nothing. Let me place this in the boardroom. Maybe somebody else can figure this out. That's the one I'm trying to read. yeah oh wait the oh yeah it's martin lindisco he says oh okay he just posted it in i'll continue to stream satoshis do you have a snail mail address i would like to send you a symbolic silver coin someday in the future yeah you got to go to the comments tab on uh on that page that's where it shows up Oh, so you've got to click it and then go to the comments. You have a favorite bullion coin. Yes, gold. I have an artistic copper coin, not legal tender, with the Fibonacci sequence 0-1-1-2-3-5. FYI, I got credited to my wallet on TruFans with the unused balance from my audio hosting subscription. The amount of Satoshis covered this boostergram. Well, I'm giving you a like. I'm giving you a like, a little heart. Yeah, I'll do that to you. Like. Oh, I got a sign in. Yeah.

1:33:03 Comic strip blogger. There he is. 23,999 sets. He made, he somehow made it happen. Okay. Even through all the lightning apocalypse. howdy dave and adam so when adam moved to texas before he met tina the keeper aka his current wife He had only one friend there, Gene. Coincidentally, that Gene just gave me epic interview about how to get rich off AI-generated music and tips on how to improve it. Watch Gene talking over one hour to me on YouTube. Just search for AI Arch Wizard. Yo, CSB, Ozempic Taker. Wow. soon to be blind soon pancreatic cancer victim thank you comics or blogger we love you know i just need him in the we get to do this community because then we know it'll take off when comics or blogger arrives that's when your community takes off you need that guy you need that guy you need that guy everybody needs a comic strip blogger you need him and there's nothing like the original the og comics or blogger the og csb you got to have the og csb there's nothing quite like him All right, everybody.

1:34:20 Board meeting. Board room. Thank you very much for being here once again. Sorry we missed two weeks. We should be good to go next week. Yeah, I'm good to go. End of the month, I'm going back to the Netherlands, so I get to meet my granddaughter. I'm taking my rig, so we'll just have to figure out the times, but I think I can do the board meeting. I have a little more time on my hands these days, it turns out. Yeah, you do. Yeah. Well, I'm going to go install a carburetor. You go do that. I'll have the beer. All right. Okay, everybody. Hey, everybody. Have a great weekend. Thanks for being here once again for the board meeting where everybody's a star. Podcasting 2.0. See you next Friday. We'll be right back. Thank you.

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