Episode 163: Storage Power

1 00:00:00,599 --> 00:00:05,429 Adam Curry: McKesson 2.0 for January 12 2024, episode 163 2 00:00:05,579 --> 00:00:12,269 storage power Hello everybody, welcome to podcasting 2.0 The 3 00:00:12,269 --> 00:00:15,989 second, the second of the new year and man is there a lot to 4 00:00:15,989 --> 00:00:19,199 talk about because this is the only boardroom that's open to 5 00:00:19,199 --> 00:00:22,829 the fediverse everybody can participate. I'm Adam curry here 6 00:00:22,829 --> 00:00:25,139 in the heart of the Texas Hill Country to ready to talk to you 7 00:00:25,139 --> 00:00:28,739 about the namespace podcast index dot social the org It's 8 00:00:28,769 --> 00:00:32,669 all here and in Alabama, the man who replies to his replies and 9 00:00:32,669 --> 00:00:35,549 Miss test replies, say hello to my friend on the other end the 10 00:00:35,549 --> 00:00:40,499 one and only Mr. De Jones. I 11 00:00:40,500 --> 00:00:42,420 Dave Jones: hope that didn't come through to the whole world. 12 00:00:42,420 --> 00:00:45,330 I hope it wasn't aggravating everybody. Oh, no, I replied to 13 00:00:45,330 --> 00:00:46,380 this reply. I always 14 00:00:46,380 --> 00:00:51,210 Adam Curry: have to restrain myself from saying stuff like 15 00:00:51,210 --> 00:00:57,360 received ignores exactly what I want to do is I want to give you 16 00:00:57,360 --> 00:01:03,030 a QCL report. You know, it's like a five by five. Oh, man. I 17 00:01:03,030 --> 00:01:06,870 have set up probably the most cool thing speaking of five by 18 00:01:06,870 --> 00:01:10,320 five. There's this. Yeah, no, I 19 00:01:10,320 --> 00:01:11,280 Dave Jones: tried to guess what 20 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:14,160 Adam Curry: this okay. I guess go you'll never maybe is it 21 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:17,250 technology? Yes. Technology. It's big time big time 22 00:01:17,250 --> 00:01:20,490 technology is starting on something on the start. No, no, 23 00:01:20,490 --> 00:01:24,120 no, no, the start nine is just That's my love. My love my start 24 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:27,360 nine that's I have a love affair with my start nine. Now. 25 00:01:28,050 --> 00:01:29,610 Dave Jones: I don't know. I'm not gonna get it. So I 26 00:01:29,610 --> 00:01:31,740 Adam Curry: got real productive this past week because we're 27 00:01:31,740 --> 00:01:37,710 doing a five day fast. And immune. You get like we're just 28 00:01:37,710 --> 00:01:41,340 really focused and productive. So I cleaned up the studio, much 29 00:01:41,340 --> 00:01:43,500 to my wife delight. And 30 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:46,920 Dave Jones: Syria. How what like, What day are you in of the 31 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:47,910 five day five? 32 00:01:47,940 --> 00:01:51,390 Adam Curry: So we break dinner tonight. Okay, 33 00:01:51,390 --> 00:01:54,630 Dave Jones: so your your you're running on like 90% ketones 34 00:01:54,630 --> 00:01:54,990 right now. 35 00:01:55,080 --> 00:02:01,740 Adam Curry: And, and this gigawatt coffee cold brew? Well, 36 00:02:01,740 --> 00:02:08,160 yeah. That has been good. So and then I got really focused, and 37 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:10,890 I've been been feeling for a while now. It's like, I got to 38 00:02:10,890 --> 00:02:14,700 get my ham radio gear set up. And I was, yeah, I was really 39 00:02:14,700 --> 00:02:18,240 looking for an excuse. And I've been into digital mode for a 40 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:21,360 long time now. Because you can you can do stuff with just a 41 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:25,500 wire out the window. I mean, the minute you know, computers are 42 00:02:25,500 --> 00:02:29,250 just analyzing data in the noise, right stuff you could 43 00:02:29,250 --> 00:02:34,440 never hear voice. And there's this new mode called var a C var 44 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:41,670 a C. And it's it's like it's almost like, like having signal, 45 00:02:41,700 --> 00:02:45,330 you know, the Apple use signal on the ham radio. And people can 46 00:02:45,330 --> 00:02:48,930 leave you messages and you can relay from one rig to the other 47 00:02:48,930 --> 00:02:53,700 automatically. And it's just been very enjoyable. Now 48 00:02:53,700 --> 00:02:58,140 Dave Jones: is that can you tell me if this? See I haven't. I 49 00:02:58,140 --> 00:03:04,560 haven't been certified ham since. Oh, gosh. 2004. 50 00:03:04,590 --> 00:03:07,620 Adam Curry: Your expired? Oh, what? No, no, no. Oh, yeah. You 51 00:03:07,620 --> 00:03:08,520 already 24 Yeah, you're 52 00:03:08,550 --> 00:03:13,530 Dave Jones: gonna expire. Yeah. So yeah, I'm expires in the last 53 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:17,580 hour. Like this was back when packet was the thing is that? 54 00:03:17,730 --> 00:03:20,550 Yeah. Is that what we're talking about? Essentially, here's, 55 00:03:20,790 --> 00:03:24,510 Adam Curry: yeah, yes, we are. But it's because of the since 56 00:03:24,510 --> 00:03:29,820 2004, things have gotten so good. That the compression 57 00:03:29,820 --> 00:03:34,230 technology is to the point where I think the throughput they're 58 00:03:34,230 --> 00:03:42,870 getting on these bands now is it's close, like 3000 baud, I 59 00:03:42,870 --> 00:03:46,920 guess? 3k Almost. So you could eventually do quite a bit with 60 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:49,410 it. Yeah, you can, you know, send a little picture black and 61 00:03:49,410 --> 00:03:53,580 white. I mean, it's, it's not really recommended. But it's 62 00:03:53,610 --> 00:03:57,060 it's just, it's quite amazing to see. And you know, and I also 63 00:03:57,060 --> 00:03:59,640 have this, I always have this kind of fatalistic, prepper 64 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:03,480 thing about me, so I feel good. Yeah, feel good to have it, you 65 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:06,390 know, good. And so people have been reaching out, it's just 66 00:04:06,390 --> 00:04:10,950 cool the way it you just leave it on. And then you can act as a 67 00:04:10,950 --> 00:04:16,710 relay for other people. You know, it's not so much like, Oh, 68 00:04:16,710 --> 00:04:19,680 I'm, I'm in a hobby here. And I'm, and I'm looking at 69 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:22,500 everybody chatting with each other talking about their rig. 70 00:04:22,950 --> 00:04:25,680 You know, you can actually have a have a little calm and you're 71 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:27,780 just typing on the keyboard. Even when you're typing in the 72 00:04:27,780 --> 00:04:31,170 keyboard. You'll see the other person will see Adam is typing. 73 00:04:31,590 --> 00:04:34,290 Now, so it is it's pretty so 74 00:04:34,290 --> 00:04:39,090 Dave Jones: like you qualify that as like presents. Yes, yes. 75 00:04:39,090 --> 00:04:39,960 Present? Yes. 76 00:04:39,990 --> 00:04:42,510 Adam Curry: Good one and you could you can paying someone 77 00:04:42,510 --> 00:04:44,640 just to make sure they're online. I mean, it's just it's 78 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:49,800 cool. It's cool. You should you Well, I mean, you could consider 79 00:04:50,220 --> 00:04:52,230 renewing it's not that hard to get your license 80 00:04:52,529 --> 00:04:55,799 Dave Jones: has started to like three times I keep running it. I 81 00:04:55,799 --> 00:04:58,409 mean, the thing you got to know is focus drifts. You know, 82 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:00,690 Adam Curry: I mean, you just you go get the test. test for this 83 00:05:00,690 --> 00:05:07,200 year, and it has all the answers is multiple choice. The only it 84 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:09,750 just on the test itself, the answers are out of order. So you 85 00:05:09,750 --> 00:05:11,640 just have to memorize what the answer is. 86 00:05:13,380 --> 00:05:15,660 Dave Jones: It's literally that simple only too hard for me. 87 00:05:16,830 --> 00:05:19,530 Adam Curry: You got to know the trick. It's almost like like 88 00:05:19,530 --> 00:05:22,080 getting a pilot's license. It's really a license to learn how to 89 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:25,260 fly. If I'm really honest about it. When I got my license, I was 90 00:05:25,260 --> 00:05:27,780 surprised. I'm like, really? You passed me on? Wow. Okay. 91 00:05:28,319 --> 00:05:31,109 Dave Jones: I feel like the fact that I originally get certified 92 00:05:31,109 --> 00:05:34,499 back when that when Morse code was a requirement that that 93 00:05:34,499 --> 00:05:37,499 should have grandfathered me in for life. But evidently, I 94 00:05:37,499 --> 00:05:38,009 agree. 95 00:05:38,010 --> 00:05:40,200 Adam Curry: And of course code is no longer a requirement. 96 00:05:40,260 --> 00:05:43,680 Although I love doing code I love I was up to I was probably 97 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:47,100 up to like 12 words a minute at one point. Pretty good. I think 98 00:05:47,610 --> 00:05:48,930 it's completely lapse now. 99 00:05:49,470 --> 00:05:52,350 Dave Jones: I can't remember what are what the minimum was 100 00:05:52,350 --> 00:05:55,830 for the novice class when I did it. What five from it, I think 101 00:05:55,830 --> 00:05:59,460 was five words per minute. Yeah, yeah, cuz I think technician 102 00:05:59,490 --> 00:06:04,320 technician was like 10 or 12. technician class because they 103 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:07,050 changed the classes. Like there's not as many classes now 104 00:06:07,050 --> 00:06:07,530 as there used to be 105 00:06:07,530 --> 00:06:10,050 Adam Curry: the technician is now the the I think that's the 106 00:06:10,050 --> 00:06:13,470 lowest thing you get general. And then you get extra. Yeah, 107 00:06:13,500 --> 00:06:16,770 extra. Yes. I'm in general bunny. I never went for the for 108 00:06:16,770 --> 00:06:18,120 the extra. The 109 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:22,320 Dave Jones: guy that I learned from had. He was extra. And he 110 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:24,420 had he had the little double paddle. 111 00:06:24,900 --> 00:06:27,540 Adam Curry: Yeah, I have that too. Yeah, sure. That Lamby 112 00:06:27,540 --> 00:06:27,900 paddle. 113 00:06:28,019 --> 00:06:29,069 Dave Jones: Yeah, right. 114 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:32,820 Adam Curry: Do you hold? You hold it in a does? Repeat. 115 00:06:34,020 --> 00:06:35,610 Group. Yeah, that's pretty cool. 116 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:38,040 Dave Jones: It's not it's not the same thing I could actually 117 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:40,470 send way faster than I could then I could 118 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:43,410 Adam Curry: interpret Oh, I got good at interpreting because 119 00:06:43,470 --> 00:06:46,170 it's like music, you know, you just start to hear it. You start 120 00:06:46,170 --> 00:06:49,830 to doo doo doo doo doo doo to do that CQ DX do doo doo doo doo 121 00:06:49,830 --> 00:06:52,650 doo doo doo doo you can just Oh, I know that song. Oh, that's 122 00:06:52,650 --> 00:06:56,430 what it is. That makes you do doo doo doo doo doo doo doo 123 00:06:56,430 --> 00:06:59,130 that's my name. Wow, it's coming back. 124 00:07:01,050 --> 00:07:05,760 Dave Jones: Is I've lost all of it. Obviously the the that that 125 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:09,450 was that was pretty fun. I mean, just everybody in because I did 126 00:07:09,450 --> 00:07:14,550 that in high school. That was my head this class and the first 127 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:18,810 the first semesters is broken la two halves of the year so the 128 00:07:19,020 --> 00:07:22,440 unit was called this class was called consumer electronics. 129 00:07:22,650 --> 00:07:24,780 Adam Curry: Oh beautiful Hampshire that class is no 130 00:07:24,780 --> 00:07:26,130 longer given. Oh, 131 00:07:26,130 --> 00:07:28,710 Dave Jones: I'm sure it's gone way gone. In the first half of 132 00:07:28,710 --> 00:07:33,600 the class was first half of the year was aerospace. And you just 133 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:37,110 went through all aeronautics and the way that you know flight 134 00:07:37,110 --> 00:07:40,860 works and all this stuff and space travel and everything and 135 00:07:40,860 --> 00:07:43,890 then the site and rocketry we built a model rocket Ah 136 00:07:43,890 --> 00:07:46,590 Adam Curry: yeah, I did that as a kid. I love model rocketry. 137 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:48,540 What did you did you have a rocket. 138 00:07:49,290 --> 00:07:52,080 Dave Jones: We didn't have a Worsley but we built one and 139 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:53,670 then watched it on the football field and 140 00:07:54,899 --> 00:07:57,119 Adam Curry: hooked up to the car battery and you put that yeah, 141 00:07:57,119 --> 00:08:01,079 explosive cartridge in there that solid fuel. And then you 142 00:08:01,079 --> 00:08:03,419 and you and you did a countdown you hit the button. 143 00:08:06,089 --> 00:08:08,279 Dave Jones: I mean, back when you could do things at 144 00:08:08,279 --> 00:08:10,379 Adam Curry: school? Oh, yeah. No, now it'd be deemed 145 00:08:10,379 --> 00:08:13,199 dangerous. Oh, we can't do that. You know, someone could get 146 00:08:13,199 --> 00:08:14,969 hurt. We all get 147 00:08:15,030 --> 00:08:20,100 Dave Jones: on doors back then. You remember long dark horse. 148 00:08:21,780 --> 00:08:23,010 Spear your brains and 149 00:08:23,010 --> 00:08:25,770 Adam Curry: everybody had one in their Shin at some point like oh 150 00:08:28,860 --> 00:08:37,110 man, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyway. Let's see. Oh, and I was 151 00:08:37,110 --> 00:08:41,400 gonna say, Oh, just off the bat. I want to thank Spurlock. Oh, 152 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:44,670 no, before I forget that kilo, alpha kilo, five alpha, Charlie, 153 00:08:44,670 --> 00:08:47,640 Charlie, if you want to reach me on bar, ac 20 meters, everybody. 154 00:08:48,270 --> 00:08:51,600 So Spurlock upgraded op three after listening to the last 155 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:54,330 boardroom that was one of those delightful moments where I'm 156 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:56,220 just beaming from ear to ear. 157 00:08:57,630 --> 00:08:59,640 Dave Jones: Uh, yeah, saw this, and I was like, Oh, you're, 158 00:08:59,670 --> 00:09:00,780 you're gonna be all over this. 159 00:09:00,810 --> 00:09:04,890 Adam Curry: I love it. I love it. And of course, it's just a, 160 00:09:05,190 --> 00:09:08,430 it's a sample data, and I'm sure it'll get better over time. And, 161 00:09:08,730 --> 00:09:11,790 you know, it spurred a very interesting conversation about 162 00:09:11,790 --> 00:09:15,180 sending timestamps in the TLV records. Um, I love all this 163 00:09:15,180 --> 00:09:18,660 stuff. This is good. This is really the I think you're 164 00:09:18,660 --> 00:09:22,860 upgrading from stuff here, you know, just by by looking at it. 165 00:09:23,550 --> 00:09:27,150 Dave Jones: Yeah. So it brought back a conversation about 166 00:09:27,150 --> 00:09:32,160 batching because there's a batch spec. You know, people forget 167 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:36,240 that. Satoshi stream still around is still around live and 168 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:37,170 kicking. Yes. 169 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:40,980 Adam Curry: By the way, you guys gee, you should probably balance 170 00:09:40,980 --> 00:09:43,650 our channel because I think we're filling up I checked it 171 00:09:43,650 --> 00:09:46,110 the other day. If we can balance that that'd be great. 172 00:09:47,610 --> 00:09:50,850 Dave Jones: And I haven't trouble before I forget image 173 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:54,240 and has so much trouble with my channel for my Umbral to podcast 174 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:58,440 index. Yeah, node. I'm still having problems and what's funny 175 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:03,270 is my channel to the boost. Bye It is seems seems fine, but it's 176 00:10:03,270 --> 00:10:07,800 over Tor but my channel Maclear niche channel. Oh really podcast 177 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:11,250 indexes. It just says last line all the time it's going 178 00:10:11,250 --> 00:10:11,970 Adam Curry: on at huh? 179 00:10:12,690 --> 00:10:14,700 Dave Jones: It's just, it's over IP. 180 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:18,120 Adam Curry: Well I saw the start nine I've had and that is not 181 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:22,200 clear net that's Tor that's been rock solid from day one. The 182 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:25,170 Umbral, I had all kinds of problems and I was running it 183 00:10:25,170 --> 00:10:30,240 over Tor, all kinds of problems and until I am this is the only 184 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:33,840 data point I have until I upgraded until my connection 185 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:42,540 here went from spectrum cable to the fiber five gigabit fiber. 186 00:10:42,900 --> 00:10:45,660 Once that happened, all those problems went away on my own 187 00:10:45,660 --> 00:10:51,660 bro. I've got to I'm thinking it has been clear net shouldn't 188 00:10:51,660 --> 00:10:55,110 have that problem at all. That surprised? Yeah, fiber, 189 00:10:55,140 --> 00:10:58,740 Dave Jones: um, fiber, and basically Ethernet out of the 190 00:10:58,740 --> 00:11:04,350 Umbral straight into the fiber. I don't know I'm, I'm, I'm 191 00:11:04,350 --> 00:11:06,180 afraid I'm just gonna have to rebuild this thing. 192 00:11:06,779 --> 00:11:09,719 Adam Curry: But aren't you building a start nine? Well, 193 00:11:09,749 --> 00:11:10,139 that's what 194 00:11:10,140 --> 00:11:12,240 Dave Jones: I mean to build it as a start nine. Yeah, this 195 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:15,960 Yeah, it just had this machine, just take the node off of my 196 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:16,740 rig. You'll 197 00:11:16,740 --> 00:11:19,800 Adam Curry: be so you'll be so happy if you put it on a start 198 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:23,580 nine. I mean, I'm, I mean, everyone's Results may vary due 199 00:11:23,580 --> 00:11:27,060 to road and weather conditions. But man, it's been rock solid 200 00:11:27,060 --> 00:11:32,100 from day one. You know, every upgrade has gone well knock on 201 00:11:32,100 --> 00:11:36,690 wood. But it's just it's been it's been. I mean, they don't 202 00:11:36,930 --> 00:11:40,050 upgrade the apps as quickly or or release new apps, in fact, is 203 00:11:40,050 --> 00:11:43,410 very slow. And I know they're working on release four, which 204 00:11:43,410 --> 00:11:46,920 will actually add clear net they have some some way of doing this 205 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:52,560 that will not involve a third party like what's the what's the 206 00:11:52,560 --> 00:11:53,370 thing we use? 207 00:11:56,250 --> 00:11:57,930 Dave Jones: hotelschool tail scale. 208 00:11:57,930 --> 00:12:00,450 Adam Curry: Yeah. And I think so humble just released cloud. You 209 00:12:00,450 --> 00:12:04,050 can use your Cloud Flare proxy or something. They just released 210 00:12:04,050 --> 00:12:10,560 an app for that. So but cloud nines hold the whole idea is no 211 00:12:10,590 --> 00:12:12,900 third parties, you should be able to do everything they 212 00:12:12,900 --> 00:12:15,960 didn't want you to use. Let's Encrypt me like you should be 213 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:17,730 your own authority. 214 00:12:18,060 --> 00:12:22,770 Dave Jones: You're your own. signer. Yeah, exactly. Why SSL 215 00:12:22,770 --> 00:12:23,610 certificate? Yes. 216 00:12:24,150 --> 00:12:26,460 Adam Curry: Yeah. Okay. Yeah, they show you how to do it, you 217 00:12:26,460 --> 00:12:29,460 know, how to how to how to make how to authenticate your own 218 00:12:29,700 --> 00:12:30,630 sign off. Yeah. 219 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:34,290 Dave Jones: Obviously PKI the whole PKI infrastructure with 220 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:37,200 the with delegated Signing Authorities and that kind of 221 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:40,860 thing in SSL. I mean, in TLS world, that's all a bunch of 222 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:45,630 it's all a bunch of hogwash. Anyway, like, you know, you 223 00:12:45,630 --> 00:12:49,830 can't You're always dependent on somebody else to vote to, like 224 00:12:49,830 --> 00:12:54,330 vouch for you. Yeah. Oh, my sis weird paid buddy system is 225 00:12:54,750 --> 00:12:58,230 Adam Curry: my thinking is that basically, Google can just spy 226 00:12:58,230 --> 00:13:02,610 on all of us. Oh, yeah. For sure. That's what I've always 227 00:13:02,610 --> 00:13:05,070 thought and, you know, you know, me, I've always been against 228 00:13:05,100 --> 00:13:09,990 HTTPS for things that don't need it. And yeah, and we just got we 229 00:13:09,990 --> 00:13:13,440 got bullied into it. You know, people like, man, it could be 230 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:15,720 man in the middle. Oh, great. Okay, so someone's going to 231 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:19,080 change the words on my blog. Alright, go ahead. I'm sure 232 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:20,130 that's just fine. 233 00:13:21,330 --> 00:13:25,050 Dave Jones: Right. And, but in and then internal localhost 234 00:13:25,050 --> 00:13:28,290 stuff and local and load your local land. It's like, I don't 235 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:28,890 care. 236 00:13:28,890 --> 00:13:29,850 Adam Curry: Yeah, exactly. 237 00:13:31,980 --> 00:13:35,130 Dave Jones: So I'm looking at our I'm looking at our stats 238 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:37,110 thing, this thing that Spurlock 239 00:13:37,620 --> 00:13:39,660 Adam Curry: for our show. Yeah, yeah. 240 00:13:40,980 --> 00:13:42,780 Dave Jones: And this brings up I should probably 241 00:13:42,780 --> 00:13:44,790 Adam Curry: explain what he did here for people who don't know 242 00:13:44,790 --> 00:13:49,950 Yeah, go for Opie three dot Dev. Everybody can add the prefix so 243 00:13:49,950 --> 00:13:52,500 that you get stats from Opie three dot Deb's beautiful 244 00:13:52,500 --> 00:13:56,550 project. And we were talking on the last show about adding to 245 00:13:56,550 --> 00:14:02,340 that the ability to get the permanent stream payments from 246 00:14:02,340 --> 00:14:05,910 podcasting 2.0 value for value streaming payments, add that 247 00:14:05,910 --> 00:14:08,790 data in there, so you can get kind of because I've been using 248 00:14:08,790 --> 00:14:13,350 it on a contracts dot app. And I find it very enjoyable to do an 249 00:14:13,350 --> 00:14:17,040 analysis of of the show how long even though it's, of course, a 250 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:20,730 small portion of all the listeners, it's it's helped me a 251 00:14:20,730 --> 00:14:23,400 lot in determining where we do certain things and how people 252 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:26,790 respond to certain things. And so he's now incorporated that 253 00:14:27,030 --> 00:14:31,560 into the Opie three stats dashboard, and actually gives 254 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:36,360 you a little analysis. I thought What did say that was like 60% 255 00:14:36,390 --> 00:14:39,630 of the listeners listened to 90% of our show. Was that something 256 00:14:39,630 --> 00:14:40,470 like that? I think? 257 00:14:40,830 --> 00:14:43,410 Dave Jones: Yeah, so this is what I'm looking at. It says 75% 258 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:47,940 of listeners listened to at least 25% of an episode 60% of 259 00:14:47,940 --> 00:14:51,360 listeners listened to at least half and 40% of listeners 260 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:57,360 listened to at least 90% 40 Yeah, yeah. Which which tells me 261 00:14:57,720 --> 00:14:58,140 like 262 00:14:58,200 --> 00:14:59,970 Adam Curry: tells me at some people need to be kicked off the 263 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:00,360 board. 264 00:15:03,030 --> 00:15:05,100 Dave Jones: People if you can't show up to the board meeting and 265 00:15:05,100 --> 00:15:06,960 Adam Curry: you can't stay the whole ship the whole board 266 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:09,330 meeting, then you shouldn't show up at all. Yeah, 267 00:15:09,330 --> 00:15:12,000 Dave Jones: it's like that one, you know, on any board. It's 268 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:14,790 like that one or two guys that always are like, Hey, I'm gonna 269 00:15:14,790 --> 00:15:15,960 be on the road. Can I call? 270 00:15:16,140 --> 00:15:20,970 Adam Curry: I'm gonna call it exactly. In and then you know, 271 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:24,780 and then those guys always somehow get off mute. And then 272 00:15:24,780 --> 00:15:27,090 everyone's spending their time like, hey, you know, mute to 273 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:29,310 mute. can you mute? You 274 00:15:29,310 --> 00:15:33,180 Dave Jones: hear their radio and all this stuff? Yes. Road noise. 275 00:15:34,110 --> 00:15:40,830 Yeah, hot mic. So this, but this is back. So I listened to a 276 00:15:40,830 --> 00:15:44,460 little bit of pod news weekly review. Morning. 277 00:15:44,490 --> 00:15:46,710 Adam Curry: I didn't get any of it this morning. I was I was 278 00:15:46,740 --> 00:15:49,170 okay. In the word in the word this morning. 279 00:15:50,730 --> 00:15:56,340 Dave Jones: The so they were Sam asks this simple question that 280 00:15:56,340 --> 00:16:02,400 we've pondered on this show. Do people actually want real stats? 281 00:16:02,610 --> 00:16:04,290 Real podcasts? Tesla? No. 282 00:16:04,530 --> 00:16:07,380 Adam Curry: I don't think so. No, of course not. that would 283 00:16:07,380 --> 00:16:09,510 that would it would it would devastate people? 284 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:12,720 Dave Jones: Yeah. And this is why because this show this this 285 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:17,910 on this? These? Now? These are people? Who are these are the 286 00:16:17,910 --> 00:16:22,380 most dedicated people? I was Oh, yeah. Yeah. Because these are 287 00:16:22,380 --> 00:16:27,300 people streaming sets to our show. I mean, like, sending 288 00:16:27,300 --> 00:16:32,130 value. Yes, there's this intentional. They're the people 289 00:16:32,130 --> 00:16:34,800 who are going to they're the early adopters. They're the 290 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:40,050 geeks. They're the most techy, and they even they, in that 291 00:16:40,050 --> 00:16:44,580 audience, only 40% of those people listen to the whole show. 292 00:16:44,610 --> 00:16:48,780 Yeah. So like, if you're if you're a normal podcaster and 293 00:16:48,780 --> 00:16:52,770 you and you start looking at actual listening statistics, is 294 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:55,890 you're just gonna get sad. Well, just gonna be sad. Unless 295 00:16:55,890 --> 00:16:58,140 Adam Curry: you're unless you've been doing it for a long time 296 00:16:58,140 --> 00:17:00,480 like me and you know, the reality of things, you'd be 297 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:03,930 really fooling yourself into thinking that people listen to 298 00:17:03,930 --> 00:17:10,680 the to the whole show. It I find it very helpful, because I like 299 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:13,080 to look at not so much because there's always a drop off, 300 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:15,990 there's always going to be a slope down to the bottom at the 301 00:17:15,990 --> 00:17:21,780 end of every podcast. I like seeing people come back for 302 00:17:21,780 --> 00:17:25,290 donation segments. And that tells me that people who 303 00:17:25,290 --> 00:17:29,130 probably donated want to hear it. But it also tells you that 304 00:17:29,130 --> 00:17:34,800 not everybody hears the ask which is important. No agenda, 305 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:37,800 we have the end of show mixes and the people come back for 306 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:41,250 that. And so you can see it and people are bopping around people 307 00:17:41,250 --> 00:17:46,470 use chapters, you know, to skip a segment. I would love to see 308 00:17:46,470 --> 00:17:50,430 pod news of the daily pod news. I bet you people listen to all 309 00:17:50,430 --> 00:17:54,330 of pod news. It'll slope for sure. But I'll bet you the 310 00:17:54,330 --> 00:17:56,430 people that because what, three, four minutes, I bet you they 311 00:17:56,430 --> 00:18:00,420 listen all the way through. Just thinking yeah, although once 312 00:18:00,420 --> 00:18:03,900 that, once that end, music starts to tune, which is the 313 00:18:03,900 --> 00:18:07,950 sponsor. This is brought to you by Hindenburg. I'm like okay, 314 00:18:07,950 --> 00:18:12,660 click. Now now, I have Hindenburg. I'm no longer a 315 00:18:12,660 --> 00:18:14,310 potential client. I have Hindenburg. 316 00:18:14,730 --> 00:18:18,660 Dave Jones: Now, I am glad that you on that front. I'm glad that 317 00:18:18,660 --> 00:18:25,410 you shamed me into upping my per minute stream to pot news weekly 318 00:18:25,410 --> 00:18:30,660 review because the DNC now I found myself bopping around in 319 00:18:30,660 --> 00:18:35,850 that show like I'm not, I'm just not interested enough in in the 320 00:18:35,850 --> 00:18:40,350 podcast industrial complex complex to listen to like a 30 321 00:18:40,350 --> 00:18:45,240 minute interview with, you know, some media buyer. So I will just 322 00:18:45,270 --> 00:18:48,090 I will literally just get that interview here. And I feel bad 323 00:18:48,090 --> 00:18:50,190 because I'm like, I don't you know, I don't even 324 00:18:50,190 --> 00:18:52,350 Adam Curry: send a boost send the boost later if you feel but 325 00:18:52,380 --> 00:18:55,260 here's something interesting that I noticed. I did a boosted 326 00:18:55,260 --> 00:18:58,620 Graham ball last Saturday was good to do what I love I love 327 00:18:58,620 --> 00:19:03,180 doing that so much. It's just mean my schedule is just so full 328 00:19:03,180 --> 00:19:07,590 with things. And I don't want to just do a show I want to think 329 00:19:07,590 --> 00:19:10,800 about I want to you know listen to other value for value music, 330 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:13,650 podcasts, listen to other people are talking about and other 331 00:19:13,650 --> 00:19:17,160 songs. You know, I really I really care about this. It is 332 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:20,340 the eighth eighth highlight of the week for me if I get to do 333 00:19:20,340 --> 00:19:24,510 it on a weekly basis. And so this guy that I met in Houston 334 00:19:24,540 --> 00:19:28,200 at a podcast conference, Alan C. Paul, he donated we talked about 335 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:32,250 him in fact, we played a little bit of his music right on did we 336 00:19:32,250 --> 00:19:36,180 play a little bit of his music? Yeah, yeah, yeah, we did. And I 337 00:19:36,270 --> 00:19:40,530 did I put that into a value time split. Let me just check for a 338 00:19:40,530 --> 00:19:45,930 second. A horrible feeling. I didn't let me see. I didn't but 339 00:19:45,930 --> 00:19:48,810 I played him on boosted Graham ball. I played the whole thing. 340 00:19:48,810 --> 00:19:54,600 It's six minutes long. And so I look at the podcasting 2.0 Top 341 00:19:54,600 --> 00:20:00,000 today it's the top 95 And we're dropping and and all week long. 342 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:04,170 On his song Not far away has been at the top. And then I 343 00:20:04,170 --> 00:20:10,650 realized, the way we compile this chart is based upon payment 344 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:15,480 events, booster grams and streams. Well, of course, he's 345 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:18,840 going to get twice as many if people listen to the whole song, 346 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:24,270 then Jimmy V, who's right under him at number two, who song is 347 00:20:24,270 --> 00:20:28,740 three minutes and 20 seconds long. Right? So I'm just saying 348 00:20:28,740 --> 00:20:32,070 there's a skew there that we might want to wait for, as in 349 00:20:32,070 --> 00:20:40,590 WEHG, gh t. Does that make sense? Because not, the longer 350 00:20:40,710 --> 00:20:44,970 the longer your song, the more minutes streaming payments per 351 00:20:44,970 --> 00:20:46,230 minute, you're going to get up? 352 00:20:46,530 --> 00:20:50,250 Dave Jones: Oh, so you're to my ear to my song length? Yes. Song 353 00:20:50,250 --> 00:20:54,240 Adam Curry: length. Exactly. Well, interesting. 354 00:20:55,140 --> 00:20:56,730 Dave Jones: It's just how would I get that? 355 00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:59,400 Adam Curry: I don't know how. I don't know that. That's I mean, 356 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:01,200 hey, I'm just the idea. Oh, 357 00:21:02,940 --> 00:21:06,720 Dave Jones: yeah. Everybody hates the idea. Yeah. Oh, yeah. 358 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:11,040 So okay, well, that's that shouldn't actually shouldn't be 359 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:14,010 too hard. Because then if you look, yeah, the value time 360 00:21:14,010 --> 00:21:16,470 split, you just look at the start time in the in the 361 00:21:16,470 --> 00:21:19,830 duration in or not even start out, you should look at the 362 00:21:19,830 --> 00:21:22,500 duration of the value times but how long it lasts, and this sort 363 00:21:22,500 --> 00:21:25,380 of like, divide it to get an average, 364 00:21:25,410 --> 00:21:29,130 Adam Curry: maybe, maybe that's the way to do it. Just like 365 00:21:29,130 --> 00:21:32,760 that, it just seems like I just I was I was like, wow, people. 366 00:21:32,790 --> 00:21:35,790 It's a great song. Don't get me wrong. I mean it question 367 00:21:35,790 --> 00:21:38,670 Dave Jones: number two is will Dave ever do this? No, of course 368 00:21:38,670 --> 00:21:38,910 not. 369 00:21:38,940 --> 00:21:41,190 Adam Curry: Of course not. Why even bother with question number 370 00:21:41,190 --> 00:21:43,890 two, but just move straight to three, which is C one. Okay, 371 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:44,250 maybe 372 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:48,450 Dave Jones: we will know what we'll do. We'll talk about this 373 00:21:48,450 --> 00:21:52,050 17 shows from now not remember, we talked about it. Before 374 00:21:52,050 --> 00:21:54,300 Adam Curry: we bring our guests in, I'd love to get a little 375 00:21:54,300 --> 00:21:58,140 update on your favorite vacation status of the index. And I'll 376 00:21:58,140 --> 00:22:03,870 preface that by saying that I've had incredible difficulty. 377 00:22:05,010 --> 00:22:07,440 Dave Jones: I want to thank you don't like to hear this. This is 378 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:08,310 not I'm just 379 00:22:08,310 --> 00:22:11,550 Adam Curry: doing it wrong, no doubt. So what I started doing 380 00:22:11,550 --> 00:22:14,340 the minute you had this in place before it was was still the 381 00:22:14,340 --> 00:22:19,230 alpha alpha code, of course, I would go to podcast index dot 382 00:22:19,230 --> 00:22:23,520 social. When I'd publish, I always put I always go back, I 383 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:28,080 publish. And then I put the base URL in the base posts for cross 384 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:32,730 snap comments, even though it's barely used, I still I'm holding 385 00:22:32,730 --> 00:22:39,090 on to it. And then I would click on that post, and then copy the 386 00:22:39,090 --> 00:22:43,860 link and put it in as the root posts of the crossover app 387 00:22:43,860 --> 00:22:47,520 comments. And I'm sure I'm doing something wrong, because either 388 00:22:47,550 --> 00:22:50,580 people would click a was not a link for some reason on some, 389 00:22:50,790 --> 00:22:54,270 when I posted that, it just wouldn't work. I mean, even that 390 00:22:54,270 --> 00:22:57,630 link itself, it's not a direct link to that post unless you're 391 00:22:57,630 --> 00:23:04,920 logged into I guess a mastodon server is very confusing. I just 392 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:08,310 wanted that to be the route post that I can also send people to 393 00:23:08,550 --> 00:23:12,540 and say, Oh, here's the here's, here's the show. You can you can 394 00:23:12,540 --> 00:23:18,540 use that link on any activity probe the application to comment 395 00:23:18,540 --> 00:23:23,160 on it, but that link is, is not good. Does this make sense? What 396 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:23,730 I'm saying? 397 00:23:24,120 --> 00:23:28,890 Dave Jones: It does. So here there's just like, so you're 398 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:34,230 what you have always done if I'm not mistaken is that you have 399 00:23:34,230 --> 00:23:39,240 taken your posts if you've taken my post, yeah, because that 400 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:43,200 exists before the show was published. Yeah. In the feed. So 401 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:46,530 you need you need like otherwise you'd have to you'd have to 402 00:23:46,530 --> 00:23:48,300 publish this show then go back and change it 403 00:23:48,330 --> 00:23:51,000 Adam Curry: which I do for no agenda and all my other shows. 404 00:23:51,570 --> 00:23:55,140 Oh, you do? Yeah, I put I put it in his empty and the minute it's 405 00:23:55,140 --> 00:23:59,070 empty then. Or sometimes I just post the link on Mastodon I 406 00:23:59,070 --> 00:24:01,650 mean, I do that with chapters although I put in a dummy 407 00:24:01,650 --> 00:24:09,870 chapter and, and transcript. So I go back and then it's not been 408 00:24:09,870 --> 00:24:12,750 a problem. No one's ever complained about it. But the 409 00:24:12,750 --> 00:24:18,630 link I got was podcast index dot social slash at 9200666 at a P 410 00:24:18,630 --> 00:24:26,040 dot podcast index.org/ 11166566598800577 And 411 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:28,320 that did not work that's what I thought it will not it didn't 412 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:33,930 work. So not sure what link I should be using and I've tried 413 00:24:33,930 --> 00:24:38,190 just doing you know, the removing the podcast app, just 414 00:24:38,190 --> 00:24:41,400 none of it worked. I I wound up just making it worse 415 00:24:43,230 --> 00:24:48,150 Dave Jones: as a plugin, isn't it. So So for example, get the 416 00:24:48,150 --> 00:24:50,760 feet trying to look at the feed to see what the URL for the last 417 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:54,660 one was because this is the last one it doesn't go ahead. It 418 00:24:54,660 --> 00:24:58,620 doesn't make any sense to me, because it should work. So if 419 00:24:58,620 --> 00:25:05,130 you before or the way that the see the way that the way that I 420 00:25:05,130 --> 00:25:05,700 thought it 421 00:25:05,700 --> 00:25:07,830 Adam Curry: was? That seems to work now 422 00:25:09,540 --> 00:25:13,200 Dave Jones: doesn't Oh, how are you verifying this? I 423 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:15,750 Adam Curry: just copied and pasted the link into my browser. 424 00:25:16,350 --> 00:25:19,500 But I wonder him because but it's a podcast index dot social 425 00:25:19,500 --> 00:25:22,020 link I don't know if you can see those if you're not logged in 426 00:25:24,150 --> 00:25:26,550 Dave Jones: what I mean those, that's what I posted. That's 427 00:25:26,550 --> 00:25:29,220 what I've posted before and this always worked. It's just a 428 00:25:29,220 --> 00:25:34,290 podcast index. Well, okay, so here's the what may be happening 429 00:25:34,290 --> 00:25:43,500 here is I've been working on replies all week. Okay, we 430 00:25:43,500 --> 00:25:49,830 noticed and thank you. I've been working on replies all week. And 431 00:25:50,730 --> 00:25:57,720 there was no reply capability within the bridge before. And 432 00:25:58,170 --> 00:26:01,860 well, I mean, there really still isn't. So the I mean, the 433 00:26:01,860 --> 00:26:07,470 endpoints just didn't function. The way replies work bite size. 434 00:26:07,740 --> 00:26:09,540 Adam Curry: Let me give you a data point stop. I'm sorry to 435 00:26:09,540 --> 00:26:13,110 stop you. All right. I logged out of podcasting. Next out 436 00:26:13,110 --> 00:26:17,340 social. And then I posted that link. And then I got what 437 00:26:17,340 --> 00:26:21,330 everybody got, which was a page of JSON. 438 00:26:23,700 --> 00:26:25,800 Dave Jones: Okay, so let me try that. And 439 00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:28,560 Adam Curry: I believe that is because if you're not logged 440 00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:31,440 into a mastodon server, that's what you get. 441 00:26:33,060 --> 00:26:35,670 Dave Jones: Okay, so let me log out of podcasts index dot 442 00:26:35,670 --> 00:26:41,220 social, because I'm gonna have to do the logout. Alright, now 443 00:26:41,220 --> 00:26:43,950 let me paste in. And we're talking about the podcasting, 444 00:26:43,950 --> 00:26:47,790 desktop social at nine to 666. Add blah, blah, blah. And the 445 00:26:47,790 --> 00:26:52,140 number. Yeah, okay. I hit that. Yeah. Okay. 446 00:26:53,130 --> 00:26:55,890 Adam Curry: Which is probably correct. It's probably correct. 447 00:26:56,610 --> 00:26:57,240 I'm saying yes. 448 00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:59,490 Dave Jones: Okay. Well, here's what, here's what's happening. 449 00:26:59,490 --> 00:27:02,850 Yes. Okay, this, this will be solved when I get the required. 450 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:07,650 Adam Curry: I needed to hear maybe we don't even have to talk 451 00:27:07,650 --> 00:27:08,070 about it. 452 00:27:09,780 --> 00:27:14,190 Dave Jones: This is so just for clarity. What's happening here 453 00:27:14,190 --> 00:27:20,070 is that when you're not logged in, Mastodon appears to forward 454 00:27:20,070 --> 00:27:22,680 you to the referenced 455 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:26,820 Adam Curry: Yes. Referenced post seeing that. Yep. And 456 00:27:26,820 --> 00:27:29,790 Dave Jones: then you can see there's replies at the bottom is 457 00:27:29,790 --> 00:27:35,220 no. Right. Okay. It's and that's why that's why it's not work. 458 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:35,610 Can I 459 00:27:35,610 --> 00:27:37,800 Adam Curry: ask you one other question? Just while I'm, while 460 00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:44,040 I'm at it. Yeah. For the for the cross that comments, I have to 461 00:27:44,550 --> 00:27:50,340 add parameters, platform, and Platform account ID and then 462 00:27:50,370 --> 00:27:54,630 account URL for this platform. Do I doesn't matter what I put 463 00:27:54,630 --> 00:27:55,140 in there? 464 00:27:57,090 --> 00:28:02,160 Dave Jones: I'm not sure that it matters at this point. Okay. I 465 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:06,330 mean, it would you want it to be accurate, but I don't know that. 466 00:28:06,360 --> 00:28:07,200 But what do I want it 467 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:11,820 Adam Curry: to be? Well, right now I have Dave and then your, 468 00:28:12,120 --> 00:28:16,680 your account your URL, slash user slash Dave. Yeah, 469 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:18,900 Dave Jones: obviously, that's not that's not actually true in 470 00:28:18,900 --> 00:28:21,570 this regard. Because, um, exactly, it's not my account 471 00:28:21,570 --> 00:28:24,270 that posted this, this thing that you're referencing, 472 00:28:24,300 --> 00:28:29,760 exactly. It's the account is 9200666 at AP dot podcast. 473 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:33,210 index.org. That's got it. That's the account. 474 00:28:33,750 --> 00:28:35,460 Adam Curry: Got it. Got it. Got it. Okay. 475 00:28:35,970 --> 00:28:39,120 Dave Jones: But just so what I've been doing this week is 476 00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:43,260 trying to get a reply. Like I don't want this thing to become 477 00:28:43,260 --> 00:28:47,970 a general purpose AP server agreed. Right? You know, that's 478 00:28:47,970 --> 00:28:53,370 not in any that's not in any way valuable to us. This this but 479 00:28:53,370 --> 00:28:58,830 you do need it to track replies. To the extent that it can handle 480 00:28:58,830 --> 00:29:02,700 them back in a case like this. So that when people reply to 481 00:29:02,700 --> 00:29:05,850 things you can see the replies when you pull when you when you 482 00:29:05,850 --> 00:29:11,910 go to the episode. And so a lot of this week I've been trying 483 00:29:11,940 --> 00:29:16,260 I've just been posting stuff and watching things, watching the 484 00:29:16,260 --> 00:29:22,530 JSON that comes through on the bridge when replies get post get 485 00:29:22,530 --> 00:29:26,520 posted. So there's there's multiple so like this, think 486 00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:32,070 think through the scenario with me for a second. You have you 487 00:29:32,070 --> 00:29:37,980 have a new episode gets posted. The bridge then posts it to 488 00:29:38,610 --> 00:29:45,240 followers, servers, it shows up in their timeline, then somebody 489 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:52,260 replies, right. Okay, that reply on their activity pub server, 490 00:29:52,830 --> 00:29:59,130 then triggers a Create Event to the shared inbox URL of the 491 00:29:59,130 --> 00:30:04,020 bridge. All right, so you have a Create Event that gets posted. 492 00:30:04,020 --> 00:30:08,130 And attached to that create event is an object, which is 493 00:30:08,130 --> 00:30:12,630 just a big blob of JSON with all the details of the post. And the 494 00:30:12,630 --> 00:30:18,780 object is of type note. So it's a creates a note object, and 495 00:30:18,780 --> 00:30:23,880 sends that to the shared URL of the AP bridge. The AP, so the 496 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:30,390 first, the first reply is, is always going to be to the root 497 00:30:30,390 --> 00:30:34,170 post, essentially, to that EP to that episode, right? On the 498 00:30:34,170 --> 00:30:39,570 bridge, that then gives you something that's attached to 499 00:30:39,570 --> 00:30:48,540 that called a, a conversation tag. So then, the here in this, 500 00:30:48,570 --> 00:30:51,600 I'm telling you what I've sort of settled on because, because 501 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:56,790 here's, here's the next scenario, you reply. Then I 502 00:30:56,790 --> 00:31:02,700 reply to your reply, not to the original post. Corral, you say 503 00:31:02,700 --> 00:31:05,850 something, then I'm replying to you. Right. And it's really part 504 00:31:05,850 --> 00:31:08,760 of the same thread. But but then 505 00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:13,740 Adam Curry: we move it over to the other person's Mastodon 506 00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:16,020 instance. Yeah, right. 507 00:31:16,590 --> 00:31:18,480 Dave Jones: Yeah. Okay. So like, if you're Yeah, if you're on 508 00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:23,880 your on your on your instance, I'm on my instance, we both get 509 00:31:23,910 --> 00:31:29,070 a copy of the note that was created when the bridge sent out 510 00:31:29,070 --> 00:31:36,930 the episode. You reply to, to that episode, on your activity 511 00:31:36,930 --> 00:31:42,210 post server, my caught my server and the bridge both get a Create 512 00:31:42,210 --> 00:31:49,680 Event. And we record that reply. Right, then I see that on my 513 00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:54,450 server, I see your reply show up underneath the episode post. And 514 00:31:54,450 --> 00:31:59,220 then I reply, not to the episode post, but to your reply. Now, 515 00:31:59,310 --> 00:32:03,630 that create event with the note object attached goes to the 516 00:32:03,630 --> 00:32:09,420 bridge and to your the shared inbox of your server. But now it 517 00:32:09,420 --> 00:32:18,390 no longer has a it no longer has a a reference to the original 518 00:32:18,390 --> 00:32:24,180 post, where I can extract the podcast ID and the episode Gu ID 519 00:32:24,180 --> 00:32:29,250 from it. So I can't associate it directly back to that post. So 520 00:32:29,250 --> 00:32:33,870 the best we can do is look for this conversation property. 521 00:32:33,900 --> 00:32:34,860 Right that 522 00:32:34,860 --> 00:32:37,350 Adam Curry: Yes. Okay, that makes sense why I wasn't seeing 523 00:32:37,350 --> 00:32:39,570 all the comments before. Right. 524 00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:43,320 Dave Jones: So the conversation property is like this long 525 00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:45,840 string, like in this regard, and like what I'm looking at right 526 00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:51,240 now is like tag, colon, AP dot podcast, index.org, comma, the 527 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:55,410 date, object ID, blah, blah, blah, objects, it's got this 528 00:32:55,410 --> 00:33:00,780 long string. And that should be unique for this entire message 529 00:33:00,780 --> 00:33:06,810 thread. So what what I'm doing now is, is the first post that 530 00:33:06,810 --> 00:33:10,200 comes back in the first reply that comes back and I'm 531 00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:16,590 extracting the podcast ID and the episode Gu ID sticking that 532 00:33:16,620 --> 00:33:23,130 in the replies table with the conversation tag string attached 533 00:33:23,130 --> 00:33:27,330 to it. When another reply comes in, if it doesn't have an 534 00:33:27,330 --> 00:33:32,310 extractable podcast, index ID and episode GUID, extract the 535 00:33:32,310 --> 00:33:36,540 conversation tag out of that create request and look for 536 00:33:36,540 --> 00:33:40,770 another reply in the table that has that same conversation tag. 537 00:33:41,610 --> 00:33:46,170 If a finds one, it then associates it back to that 538 00:33:46,170 --> 00:33:51,390 thread. So that now then that so that's all done. So now the next 539 00:33:51,390 --> 00:33:56,580 step of this is the part I'm about to start today. Tonight, 540 00:33:57,210 --> 00:34:03,060 we'll be now returned now collecting those replies and 541 00:34:03,060 --> 00:34:06,600 returning them in the replies property that you see is now 542 00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:12,360 null. So step two will be a populating that reply property 543 00:34:12,390 --> 00:34:17,160 of, of the of the post object with all the replies that is 544 00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:17,850 collected. 545 00:34:18,329 --> 00:34:20,909 Adam Curry: Dave, you had me at big blob of JSON? 546 00:34:24,749 --> 00:34:27,959 Dave Jones: It will, there is so much JSON going on with the 547 00:34:27,959 --> 00:34:31,049 negativity but it just makes your eyes cross. Like it really 548 00:34:31,049 --> 00:34:34,529 does. All those replies and replies to replies and replies 549 00:34:34,529 --> 00:34:38,519 to replies to replies that that's really like, what I'm 550 00:34:38,519 --> 00:34:41,429 doing. Every time I do that is take that take the JSON out, 551 00:34:41,579 --> 00:34:45,509 stick it in a sticking into an editor, and then do another one, 552 00:34:45,509 --> 00:34:48,029 stick it in an editor and then just start making comparisons 553 00:34:48,029 --> 00:34:51,479 between how are these things different wow. Oh, it just makes 554 00:34:51,479 --> 00:34:53,219 it it'll make your head spin. Well, it's 555 00:34:53,220 --> 00:34:56,010 Adam Curry: appreciated brother you're doing. You're doing the 556 00:34:56,010 --> 00:35:00,180 Lord's work here. That's a lot of messy stuff, shall we? Bring 557 00:35:00,180 --> 00:35:05,010 our guests in. Oh, he's Sure absolutely. New to the to the 558 00:35:05,010 --> 00:35:07,950 boardroom. We're very happy to have him here. Particularly 559 00:35:07,950 --> 00:35:13,800 because He has created a, I'll just say a podcasting 2.0 native 560 00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:17,550 hosting company. He is the founder, CEO, lead developer and 561 00:35:17,550 --> 00:35:21,870 Customer Success representative of pod home.fm. Say hello to our 562 00:35:21,870 --> 00:35:26,250 friend on the other end. Here's Barry live brass. 563 00:35:27,240 --> 00:35:30,990 Unknown: Hey, hello. Excellent pronunciation. Yes, 564 00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:33,720 Adam Curry: but do you go by Barry or buddy? 565 00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:39,630 Unknown: That bear? Well, buddy in Dutch. You know? It's easy 566 00:35:39,630 --> 00:35:41,700 because it works in both languages, right? Yeah, 567 00:35:41,730 --> 00:35:44,490 Adam Curry: it's so it's uncanny how much you sound like Mark 568 00:35:44,490 --> 00:35:48,810 void zero. Oops. That he just I think I think let me see if I 569 00:35:48,810 --> 00:35:52,350 can restore him. Sorry about sorry about that. Barry. Oh, 570 00:35:52,410 --> 00:35:54,480 that was my mistake. I messed that up. 571 00:35:54,720 --> 00:35:56,790 Dave Jones: I was gonna say I'm sorry. I just can't I have no 572 00:35:56,790 --> 00:35:58,170 hope of pronouncing your last name. 573 00:35:58,230 --> 00:36:00,210 Unknown: I mean, it's just It's fine. Don't try. 574 00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:03,300 Adam Curry: What's interesting is, you know, void Do you know 575 00:36:03,330 --> 00:36:06,480 you know, void zero? Do you avoid zero mark? Who does a the 576 00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:09,600 no agenda infrastructure? No, 577 00:36:09,630 --> 00:36:11,400 Unknown: I have no idea. You should 578 00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:13,590 Adam Curry: meet him because you sound like brothers. It's 579 00:36:13,620 --> 00:36:17,760 uncanny how much you sound like it really is. Yeah. So you're in 580 00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:20,190 the in the Netherlands. Where are you in the Netherlands? 581 00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:22,800 Unknown: I'm in Breda. So that's, that's in the south of 582 00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,230 the Netherlands. Yeah, doesn't matter. It's cold cold here. 583 00:36:25,230 --> 00:36:25,710 Everywhere. 584 00:36:25,740 --> 00:36:29,460 Adam Curry: is purple. is Purple Rain still there. Purple Rain. 585 00:36:29,970 --> 00:36:31,410 When you talk there was a coffee shop. 586 00:36:32,159 --> 00:36:33,719 Unknown: Oh, right. Yes, that is. 587 00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,160 Adam Curry: You see my coffee shop man. When I was in Belgium. 588 00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:41,100 I drive up to Purple Rain and stock up. 589 00:36:42,449 --> 00:36:45,209 Dave Jones: Yeah. rural area or is this city or 590 00:36:45,510 --> 00:36:47,940 Adam Curry: city? No, it's just a big city. Yeah. It's a real 591 00:36:47,940 --> 00:36:50,670 nice actually a beautiful city. It is. 592 00:36:50,670 --> 00:36:52,770 Unknown: Yeah. And you know, coffee shops here are 593 00:36:52,830 --> 00:36:56,100 everywhere. So it's, it's not rare. Not special at all. 594 00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,440 Adam Curry: Right? I just I just love going there because it was 595 00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:01,350 run by a bunch of Moroccan dudes. And whenever it was 596 00:37:01,350 --> 00:37:07,560 Songkran, then I'd come late in the day. And I'd start up and 597 00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:09,510 like, hey, why don't you stay because they'd have the you 598 00:37:09,510 --> 00:37:12,600 know, after sundown than they have. Then all these dudes start 599 00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:16,380 cooking, which is amazing food they make it was. So first she 600 00:37:16,380 --> 00:37:19,260 smokes and we even like, Hey, man is good food. 601 00:37:22,139 --> 00:37:24,269 Dave Jones: That's right. These are these are Dutch coffee 602 00:37:24,269 --> 00:37:25,289 shops, which are different than 603 00:37:26,310 --> 00:37:28,770 Adam Curry: I'm sorry, I should have clarified. Yes. You can't 604 00:37:28,770 --> 00:37:30,930 actually get coffee in the coffee shops. Yeah. 605 00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:33,870 Unknown: No, that's a different store. Yeah. 606 00:37:36,750 --> 00:37:38,700 Adam Curry: So Barry, give us your background and how you came 607 00:37:38,700 --> 00:37:41,850 into podcasting. 2.0 Yeah, 608 00:37:41,850 --> 00:37:47,010 Unknown: so I My background is in software development. Like a 609 00:37:47,010 --> 00:37:51,300 lot of people listening here as well. So, you know, I started 610 00:37:51,300 --> 00:37:55,260 out, when I went to school, I actually started out, you know, 611 00:37:55,260 --> 00:37:59,400 working on electricity, as a technical engineer. And then I 612 00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:01,530 thought, you know, what, these computers are also pretty cool. 613 00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:06,420 I mean, you know, tinker with that stuff. So I went in into 614 00:38:06,420 --> 00:38:09,630 software development, didn't learn it in school, because you 615 00:38:09,630 --> 00:38:13,560 know, school, right, it kind of sucks. So I did that on my own 616 00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:16,230 whilst I was in school, because when you are in school, you have 617 00:38:16,230 --> 00:38:20,550 lots of time. There's a long time ago. And then I started out 618 00:38:20,550 --> 00:38:24,930 as a software engineer back in the day, all in Microsoft stack. 619 00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:28,470 Because, you know, that was just what I was used to, I 620 00:38:28,469 --> 00:38:30,659 Dave Jones: grew up on when when when 32 or C Sharp 621 00:38:32,429 --> 00:38:37,019 Unknown: 32 first, and then dotnet came out, but dotnet 1.0 622 00:38:37,019 --> 00:38:40,769 and 1.1 revolutionary and didn't work at all. And 623 00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:44,370 Adam Curry: that's a big thing that has to load for some of our 624 00:38:44,370 --> 00:38:48,120 applications, right? It's like, loading dotnet framework. 625 00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:51,930 Dave Jones: With nowadays, it was so beautiful. It just worked 626 00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:52,410 everywhere. 627 00:38:53,429 --> 00:38:57,389 Unknown: Yeah, you know, dotnet still as a as a bad rap, because 628 00:38:57,389 --> 00:39:00,149 it is, you know, Microsoft and slow and windows and all that 629 00:39:00,149 --> 00:39:03,599 type stuff. But it's very, very modern. So you know, it's been 630 00:39:03,599 --> 00:39:06,329 around for decades now. And they kept it pretty modern. And it's 631 00:39:06,329 --> 00:39:11,789 very, very, very fast, very performance. So I kept on doing 632 00:39:11,789 --> 00:39:15,779 that, as a software developer, always loved it. When I you 633 00:39:15,779 --> 00:39:18,299 know, you type something on the screen, you press a couple 634 00:39:18,299 --> 00:39:20,999 buttons, something compiles and then hopefully, you know, 635 00:39:20,999 --> 00:39:24,029 something happens on the screen and a user has a button to push. 636 00:39:24,449 --> 00:39:27,959 And that's that's just magic to me. And I am sure that a lot of 637 00:39:27,959 --> 00:39:33,149 listeners will recognize that as well. So I keep on doing that. 638 00:39:33,269 --> 00:39:38,219 And for the longest time that I can remember, I've been learning 639 00:39:38,249 --> 00:39:41,969 through podcasts as well, for software development, technology 640 00:39:41,969 --> 00:39:46,379 stuff, health stuff, and conspiracies to news. 641 00:39:48,150 --> 00:39:49,410 Adam Curry: You're talking about language rather. 642 00:39:50,460 --> 00:39:56,040 Unknown: Ain't no agenda. I love it. It keeps me sane. But I 643 00:39:56,040 --> 00:40:00,840 think podcasts are incredibly valuable because Even now, with 644 00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:04,170 all the censorship going on, this is kind of a last final 645 00:40:04,170 --> 00:40:09,930 medium that is uncensored ish, you know, you're bright. So you 646 00:40:09,930 --> 00:40:12,840 can kind of say what you want on a podcast. So you can also learn 647 00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:16,860 what you want on a podcast. And you can hear from all the voices 648 00:40:16,860 --> 00:40:20,820 out there, left, right, center, Uptown, whatever, everybody can 649 00:40:20,820 --> 00:40:23,130 can speak their minds, and everybody can tune into what 650 00:40:23,130 --> 00:40:27,270 they like, right. And that is still the case. And, you know, 651 00:40:27,510 --> 00:40:31,440 it will probably not be the case, in the future on the 652 00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:35,460 platforms. So Apple, Spotify, all these, the industry, or 653 00:40:35,460 --> 00:40:39,720 whatever you call it, they will censor more and more. But with 654 00:40:39,720 --> 00:40:43,080 this initiative, obviously, podcasting 2.0 We can keep this 655 00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:47,880 free and free speech. Yes. And that is very, very important. 656 00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:51,930 Because podcasts, I use it to learn, I use it to be inspired, 657 00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:57,750 I use it to. Yeah, just just in general, it's just such a part 658 00:40:57,750 --> 00:40:59,970 of my life. And I think that everybody that listens to 659 00:40:59,970 --> 00:41:03,480 podcasts probably has the same, right. So you bake these things 660 00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:06,330 in, like usually on a Saturday morning, I would listen to this 661 00:41:06,330 --> 00:41:09,570 show. Now I have some time off, because I already listened to 662 00:41:09,570 --> 00:41:14,340 it. But it becomes just part of your routine. And it's very, 663 00:41:14,340 --> 00:41:21,900 very important that we keep this format alive. And so last year, 664 00:41:22,230 --> 00:41:26,730 I had kind of a crossroads where I could do you know more 665 00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:31,230 courses, because I create online courses about Microsoft Azure, 666 00:41:31,230 --> 00:41:34,740 HTML, all sorts of things. And that's kind of how I make my 667 00:41:34,740 --> 00:41:40,620 money nowadays. But I really don't like doing that. Or I 668 00:41:40,620 --> 00:41:44,490 could create something valuable, that could help the thing that I 669 00:41:44,490 --> 00:41:47,970 love, which is podcasting. I also create a couple of podcasts 670 00:41:47,970 --> 00:41:51,030 myself, and I know how difficult that can be how much work that 671 00:41:51,030 --> 00:41:55,350 can be to create lots of cool metadata around it so that 672 00:41:55,350 --> 00:41:58,920 people can enjoy it, like chapters, transcripts, you know, 673 00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:02,850 a good title to identify the people, all that type of stuff, 674 00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:05,550 Adam Curry: you know that that's so important. I think Dave would 675 00:42:05,550 --> 00:42:09,180 probably attest to that once he became a podcaster. himself. It 676 00:42:09,180 --> 00:42:12,330 changed his thinking about development for the platform for 677 00:42:12,330 --> 00:42:14,400 the for the whole ecosystem. 678 00:42:15,180 --> 00:42:17,640 Dave Jones: Yeah, for sure. Well, yeah, totally. It did. 679 00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:21,810 Yeah, you don't really see. Because, you know, I think I've 680 00:42:21,810 --> 00:42:25,320 mentioned this before, back with freedom controller with Adam 681 00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:27,630 shownotes. And that kind of think, I just always 682 00:42:27,630 --> 00:42:32,370 misunderstood what he needed, and what the workflow was, 683 00:42:32,790 --> 00:42:35,910 because I just wasn't there. I wasn't in it. If you're not, you 684 00:42:35,910 --> 00:42:39,870 know, it's, it's so easy to come in from the outside and say, Oh, 685 00:42:39,870 --> 00:42:42,360 well, you know, this, just do this, and this, and this, and 686 00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:46,560 this will then, you know, the, the most valuable part of of 687 00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:51,720 podcasting 2.0 project has been since the beginning. The podcast 688 00:42:51,720 --> 00:42:57,870 hosting companies telling us, you know, this, you hear your 689 00:42:57,870 --> 00:43:02,190 misunderstanding this, or this is not the way this thing works, 690 00:43:02,220 --> 00:43:06,060 or this is not super, you know, like this is not important, like 691 00:43:06,060 --> 00:43:09,990 that kind of feedback, because we're not hosting companies were 692 00:43:09,989 --> 00:43:13,019 Adam Curry: critical, critical. I had a lot of misconceptions 693 00:43:13,019 --> 00:43:14,639 myself. Yeah. 694 00:43:14,669 --> 00:43:17,699 Dave Jones: Yeah. It just is, is important. And now like, I'm 695 00:43:17,699 --> 00:43:20,639 sure, Barry, now that you're running a host, you've found out 696 00:43:20,699 --> 00:43:22,859 a lot of stuff you probably didn't know before. 697 00:43:23,610 --> 00:43:26,580 Unknown: Yeah, absolutely. So you know, customers use us in 698 00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:29,850 various ways. And they have lots of tools in the workflow, like 699 00:43:29,850 --> 00:43:33,630 people use the script, or stream yard or all sorts of things that 700 00:43:33,630 --> 00:43:36,300 they want to plug into their workflow and make make it work 701 00:43:36,300 --> 00:43:41,610 with Pulte Homes somehow. So I continue to innovate every day. 702 00:43:42,060 --> 00:43:45,720 And that's relatively easy is still because I am Greenfield, I 703 00:43:45,720 --> 00:43:49,860 don't really have a lot of technical debt. So I can do 704 00:43:49,860 --> 00:43:54,090 that. But yeah, so so the main purpose of both home is to make 705 00:43:54,090 --> 00:43:57,480 it as easy as possible for podcasters to upload their 706 00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:01,740 stuff, and then create a full blown episodes that listeners 707 00:44:01,740 --> 00:44:04,620 can enjoy with all the bells and whistles and modern features 708 00:44:04,650 --> 00:44:08,790 like transcripts, chapters, people, clips, show notes, 709 00:44:08,790 --> 00:44:14,010 title, all that type of stuff. And that's what it does. And the 710 00:44:14,010 --> 00:44:16,980 other thing is that it is unlimited, because I previously 711 00:44:16,980 --> 00:44:21,090 also hosted with Lipson, for instance. And I wanted to talk 712 00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:26,670 badly about Lipson, but one of the things that most hosts run 713 00:44:26,670 --> 00:44:30,870 into is limitations with storage and bandwidth, right? Things 714 00:44:30,870 --> 00:44:35,520 just costs money. So I wanted to just take that away for 715 00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:39,600 podcasters they don't need to know all that. So at bottom you 716 00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:42,810 can just host whatever you want. You can host 1000 shows if you 717 00:44:42,810 --> 00:44:46,650 have 1000 shows with a million episodes, unlimited uploads and 718 00:44:46,650 --> 00:44:51,060 also unlimited downloads. And that all for one price. Now 719 00:44:51,090 --> 00:44:53,820 Adam Curry: I gotta stop you there brother. I need to 720 00:44:53,820 --> 00:44:57,030 understand this because you know Lipson was very early in the 721 00:44:57,030 --> 00:45:00,000 game. I think they were probably the first full blown hosting 722 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:04,830 company, and I never understood how they did it. I've never 723 00:45:04,830 --> 00:45:09,960 understood how they could offer what they did for the pricing 724 00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:13,200 that they did. Because at the time, I foolishly had started a 725 00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:18,630 podcast network, but had a lot of money from investors. So I 726 00:45:18,630 --> 00:45:23,130 was like, Oh, it doesn't matter. And I never really understood 727 00:45:23,130 --> 00:45:26,850 that side of the business. And when I hear Todd from blueberry 728 00:45:26,850 --> 00:45:32,070 talking about his, you know, 10s of 1000s of dollars a month. I 729 00:45:32,070 --> 00:45:35,880 mean, you what you just said, if I showed up with no agenda, 730 00:45:36,540 --> 00:45:39,000 would that still be the case for you? I mean, I could still do 731 00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:42,060 that for for one low price. How do you do that? 732 00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:47,400 Unknown: Yeah, for 5099. Come on over. So I'm gonna give give 733 00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:48,570 away my secret. Now. 734 00:45:48,630 --> 00:45:50,190 Adam Curry: You don't have to if you don't if that's if that's a 735 00:45:50,190 --> 00:45:53,400 trade secret, that's okay. No, no, you don't have to. If 736 00:45:53,430 --> 00:45:57,780 Unknown: if you can google bing, bing it or whatever. good search 737 00:45:57,780 --> 00:45:58,590 engine, you use 738 00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:00,300 Adam Curry: Cagayan kagi.com. 739 00:46:00,750 --> 00:46:05,550 Unknown: That's a good one DuckDuckGo, I use, but I use 740 00:46:05,580 --> 00:46:09,270 Cloudflare. So a lot of people use Cloudflare. And I use 741 00:46:09,270 --> 00:46:12,780 Cloudflare are two buckets, which is kind of like Amazon, 742 00:46:12,810 --> 00:46:18,090 AWS, s3 buckets that has just a bucket that contains data, like 743 00:46:18,090 --> 00:46:21,990 episode data in this case. And the fun thing about our two and 744 00:46:21,990 --> 00:46:25,440 they haven't been doing this for long is that you do not pay for 745 00:46:25,470 --> 00:46:30,300 egress data. So data going out of the data center, we just pay 746 00:46:30,330 --> 00:46:32,310 a low storage fee and storage. 747 00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:36,870 Adam Curry: That's what Linode did until they didn't. Yeah, 748 00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:37,530 isn't that? 749 00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:39,780 Dave Jones: No, you're talking about? 750 00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:44,039 Adam Curry: Oh, no, not really. No, but what's the other one was 751 00:46:44,039 --> 00:46:45,749 Wasabi? Wasabi? Right? Yeah, 752 00:46:45,750 --> 00:46:48,840 Dave Jones: no egress fees. But then, as soon as you get over a 753 00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:52,950 certain amount of gigabits of egress per month, you get a 754 00:46:52,950 --> 00:46:57,120 phone call. And they the phone call is we don't like you 755 00:46:57,120 --> 00:46:57,900 anymore. Yeah. 756 00:46:59,550 --> 00:47:01,620 Adam Curry: That was the phone call or upgrade 757 00:47:01,620 --> 00:47:05,520 Dave Jones: to our undocumented Pro Plan. Where we allow you 758 00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:07,380 lots of egress, and you pay us for it. 759 00:47:08,340 --> 00:47:11,580 Unknown: Yeah, well, then still is if there, if that is the 760 00:47:11,580 --> 00:47:15,720 case, and I don't believe that is the case, then still, there 761 00:47:15,720 --> 00:47:20,970 will be a free base, you know, like an amount of free egress 762 00:47:20,970 --> 00:47:23,430 that you can use every month, right? And then it will still be 763 00:47:23,430 --> 00:47:27,270 fine. But that really is a game changer. Because egress is can 764 00:47:27,270 --> 00:47:31,140 be extremely expensive. If you do that with a traditional thing 765 00:47:31,140 --> 00:47:34,410 like Azure, or AWS, this is a killer. This 766 00:47:34,410 --> 00:47:39,900 Adam Curry: is just some history. The no agenda, RSS feed 767 00:47:39,900 --> 00:47:43,020 has members putting a lot more information there are put 768 00:47:43,020 --> 00:47:49,320 forward still has a lot in there. I'm trying to think. I 769 00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:51,930 mean, I was putting full show notes in there all kinds of 770 00:47:51,930 --> 00:47:55,380 stuff. Anyway, Dave has always managed all of my all of my 771 00:47:55,380 --> 00:47:58,320 stuff. Because at the time the feeds were being created by the 772 00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:04,710 freedom controller, which is now a sovereign feeds. And and my s3 773 00:48:04,710 --> 00:48:07,560 Bill, what was it Dave like 700 800 bucks a month it was 774 00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:11,130 going crazy. And dad over 1500 At one point, yeah. And the day 775 00:48:11,130 --> 00:48:13,830 is like none, and we got to change this. And then I think 776 00:48:13,830 --> 00:48:17,160 that's when you moved. And also because all of the I put all the 777 00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:20,730 clips out there and everything. And so all of that was being 778 00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:25,350 being sucked out by people. And it was just becoming incredibly 779 00:48:25,350 --> 00:48:28,680 expensive. And then we went to wasabi. And that worked for a 780 00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:33,480 while until we got that phone call. It's like, no, no, no, you 781 00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:37,110 can't. And then I think Dave, you set it up through Linode and 782 00:48:37,110 --> 00:48:38,460 CloudFlare, I believe, right? 783 00:48:38,790 --> 00:48:42,540 Dave Jones: Yes, if what, what we're doing right now is Lint is 784 00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:46,710 yes, lint is Cloudflare in front of Linode. And so the the Linode 785 00:48:46,710 --> 00:48:51,570 thing as you can get with every VM, you get a certain amount of 786 00:48:51,570 --> 00:48:55,770 x of egress. So they're and they're very generous with their 787 00:48:55,770 --> 00:49:03,270 egress. So we set up I set up a VM, a decent size VM on Linode 788 00:49:03,660 --> 00:49:09,420 with running Mineo or Minaya so it's basically self hosted Buck 789 00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:15,540 s3 buckets. And then we use the egress that the VM comes with, 790 00:49:16,020 --> 00:49:19,980 to basically out to cover what's going to Cloudflare and then let 791 00:49:20,010 --> 00:49:22,860 go. I think, you know, I think the benefit that you're running 792 00:49:22,860 --> 00:49:29,610 into with Cloudflare there is that they're still sort of in I 793 00:49:29,610 --> 00:49:32,700 wouldn't say growth mode, but they're trying to take market 794 00:49:32,700 --> 00:49:35,610 share from AWS and that kind of thing. So they're going to 795 00:49:36,090 --> 00:49:39,060 they're going to allow you to hurt him a little bit before you 796 00:49:39,060 --> 00:49:42,420 know that you're going to have to get really really aggressive 797 00:49:42,420 --> 00:49:45,660 before they give you a phone call. You know you're probably 798 00:49:45,660 --> 00:49:47,820 you're probably going to have a long runway before you get that 799 00:49:47,820 --> 00:49:48,540 bad phone call. 800 00:49:48,690 --> 00:49:52,410 Adam Curry: And it's worth it's worth talking to to avoid zero 801 00:49:52,410 --> 00:49:56,130 because He set us up a long time ago on ova H and I'm not sure 802 00:49:56,130 --> 00:49:59,160 exactly how he did it, but we have three or four different 803 00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:02,970 servers and if And colos that that are on the OVA H Network. 804 00:50:03,540 --> 00:50:10,830 And we've been paying, I think it's, I mean, it's five $600 a 805 00:50:10,830 --> 00:50:14,940 month for the longest time. And we've been added, you know, big 806 00:50:14,940 --> 00:50:17,880 secret, but all of the IPFS stuff is basically all running 807 00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:20,850 off off with the no agenda infrastructure, because that's 808 00:50:20,850 --> 00:50:25,920 the gateway. But for some reason that works. And you know, so 809 00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:29,160 just for the future, because I'd hate for I love the marketing. I 810 00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:32,580 love the marketing of don't worry about all that unlimited. 811 00:50:32,580 --> 00:50:35,250 Come on in, you're paying for the tools you're paying for the 812 00:50:35,250 --> 00:50:38,310 service. I love that. Just I would I would like to protect 813 00:50:38,310 --> 00:50:39,900 you for your future upside. 814 00:50:41,190 --> 00:50:43,860 Unknown: Yeah, no, definitely. And I do have backup plans as 815 00:50:43,860 --> 00:50:48,480 well, if this doesn't work, because I do not want to be, you 816 00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:53,070 know, tied to just one single point of failure. Exactly. Yeah. 817 00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:56,640 Yeah, the same as with the whole AI thing. Like I have this 818 00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:58,920 brought home AI, that's the thing that does it 819 00:50:58,950 --> 00:51:01,410 automatically, right, it creates transcripts, or you can 820 00:51:02,009 --> 00:51:05,399 Adam Curry: explain that, cuz you graciously gave us accounts. 821 00:51:05,459 --> 00:51:08,849 Now be honest, I have not taken advantage of that to look at it 822 00:51:09,839 --> 00:51:14,249 can be so as a podcast, you come in, you upload your show how 823 00:51:14,249 --> 00:51:18,209 much is automatically created on pod home? Yeah, 824 00:51:18,210 --> 00:51:22,320 Unknown: so you hit the big new episode button, you upload your 825 00:51:22,350 --> 00:51:26,220 audio and you flip the switch, hey, I want to use port home AI. 826 00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:30,240 You know, that's a catchy name, because everything is AI, right? 827 00:51:30,720 --> 00:51:34,890 And then you can say, Well, what do I want? I want transcripts. I 828 00:51:34,890 --> 00:51:38,790 want chapters. I want a title ideas and a description. So show 829 00:51:38,790 --> 00:51:43,350 notes. I want to detect people and try and generate some clips 830 00:51:43,350 --> 00:51:46,500 for me as well. Some interesting outtakes, in the form of sound 831 00:51:46,500 --> 00:51:50,550 bites. So it goes and it does that. Wait a couple of services 832 00:51:50,550 --> 00:51:54,090 in the background next couple of minutes for for an hour of 833 00:51:54,090 --> 00:51:57,870 audio. And then it suggests all of that to you. It says, Hey, we 834 00:51:57,870 --> 00:52:02,040 came up with these five titles. What do you think pick one? And 835 00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:05,100 this is? Show Notes. What do you think you can change it? Of 836 00:52:05,100 --> 00:52:10,230 course. And these are chapters. And these are the people that we 837 00:52:10,230 --> 00:52:13,680 think are in this episodes, you can confirm that if you like, 838 00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:17,130 and here are some clips as well. And those clips are like I said, 839 00:52:17,790 --> 00:52:21,810 they will they are included in the feed as sound bites. And I 840 00:52:21,810 --> 00:52:26,460 now also included a feature per client sites, you can say right? 841 00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:29,490 From this clip, can you just generate a little video clip as 842 00:52:29,490 --> 00:52:33,120 well, with the show artwork or episode artwork or artwork that 843 00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:36,780 you upload yourself? Does it do artwork as well, I do not 844 00:52:36,780 --> 00:52:41,130 generate artwork now. And don't do that. Because that is very 845 00:52:41,130 --> 00:52:45,780 difficult. I've been using AI this week to generate some 846 00:52:45,810 --> 00:52:49,230 images for a new feature that I'm creating. And it's really 847 00:52:49,230 --> 00:52:57,690 bad as it sucks. But you see these videos online with people 848 00:52:57,690 --> 00:53:01,020 that are using a mid journey or dolly or whatever it's 849 00:53:01,050 --> 00:53:04,440 pronounced. And it all looks amazing, right? Like, oh, wow, 850 00:53:04,470 --> 00:53:08,130 that's amazing. I want because I'm building a feature now for 851 00:53:08,130 --> 00:53:13,800 podcasters. So that they can get achievements and rewards. So you 852 00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:17,640 know, when you upload something you get, I don't know, let's say 853 00:53:17,670 --> 00:53:22,080 50 experience points. And that adds up to a level. And with 854 00:53:22,110 --> 00:53:27,510 each level you reach, you get something like a discount or a 855 00:53:27,510 --> 00:53:28,140 kooberi 856 00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:31,290 Adam Curry: gamifying the whole gamifying the hosting business. 857 00:53:31,290 --> 00:53:32,280 I like that 858 00:53:32,730 --> 00:53:35,250 Unknown: fun because it's difficult to be a podcaster and 859 00:53:35,250 --> 00:53:38,010 to keep it up right. So you need some encouragement. Yeah. And I 860 00:53:38,010 --> 00:53:41,340 want to add some real value to that as well. Like, you know, 861 00:53:41,550 --> 00:53:45,780 actual discounts to to your monthly bill, for instance. But 862 00:53:46,140 --> 00:53:49,920 yeah, anyway, so I was trying to generate these badges like, hey, 863 00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:53,430 create a round thing for me that says, great podcast or 864 00:53:53,430 --> 00:53:58,020 something. And he kept getting it wrong. You just cannot do it. 865 00:53:58,050 --> 00:53:59,610 Yes. So 866 00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:04,650 Dave Jones: that's so very, I saw that you I saw that you have 867 00:54:04,770 --> 00:54:10,410 on your trial sign up. Do you have a requirement to put in a 868 00:54:10,410 --> 00:54:13,860 credit card? Is that intentional to keep the spammers out? 869 00:54:15,179 --> 00:54:18,209 Unknown: Yeah, definitely. And use also for my internal 870 00:54:18,209 --> 00:54:20,699 workflow as well. Yeah. 871 00:54:21,449 --> 00:54:24,059 Dave Jones: So because that's a huge problem is such a huge 872 00:54:24,059 --> 00:54:27,299 problem with free trials. You know, that, you know, I know 873 00:54:27,299 --> 00:54:32,639 that rss.com and Buzzsprout. And I know that they've, they've 874 00:54:32,639 --> 00:54:36,419 really just struggled with almost a struggle. I mean, they 875 00:54:36,449 --> 00:54:40,169 they deal with it, but like it's just constant battle with these, 876 00:54:40,529 --> 00:54:42,839 with these spammers that are always trying to game those free 877 00:54:42,839 --> 00:54:47,159 trials. I think they have this stuff in place. They have bigger 878 00:54:47,159 --> 00:54:49,799 teams, you know, they have a big team that can handle something 879 00:54:49,799 --> 00:54:54,299 like that, but with a with a small one man operation like you 880 00:54:54,299 --> 00:54:57,089 have. I mean, I think it would be overwhelming to try to deal 881 00:54:57,089 --> 00:54:57,959 with something like that. 882 00:54:59,340 --> 00:55:02,700 Unknown: Yeah, I think I cater to a different audience as well. 883 00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:06,810 So I can cater to people that really want want to create 884 00:55:06,810 --> 00:55:10,740 something of quality, right. So they are probably more willing 885 00:55:10,740 --> 00:55:17,070 to, to pay up the 5099 per month for unlimited podcasting. And I 886 00:55:17,070 --> 00:55:19,260 get it, you know, like Buzzsprout, for instance, you 887 00:55:19,260 --> 00:55:22,500 sign up for free, you can have a free podcast, if you like, until 888 00:55:22,500 --> 00:55:25,320 you run into a threshold or something, you can just just 889 00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:28,620 have that there. But you know, that will just create lots of 890 00:55:28,740 --> 00:55:31,710 junk. And I don't want to, I'm 891 00:55:31,710 --> 00:55:34,680 Adam Curry: impressed actually, you have a very unique 892 00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:39,330 combination of technical skills, obviously, but your marketing 893 00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:44,190 and your I really enjoy, you know, just looking at the at the 894 00:55:44,190 --> 00:55:49,080 site, and, you know, you have a separate path for, for artists 895 00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:54,000 for value for value music. It's just, that's the unique 896 00:55:54,450 --> 00:55:58,050 combination, I would say usually, even in startups, 897 00:55:58,050 --> 00:56:01,350 you'll see two guys, right? You see a technical guy and the 898 00:56:01,350 --> 00:56:04,470 marketing guy, Amin, and you seem to be both in one where's 899 00:56:04,470 --> 00:56:05,100 that come from? 900 00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:09,900 Unknown: Which is I don't know, I've, I've been doing online 901 00:56:09,900 --> 00:56:14,910 courses and stuff for a decade now. Which means, you know, 902 00:56:14,910 --> 00:56:18,960 talking to a microphone and creating materials, like slides 903 00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:22,380 and pictures and stuff to explain things or basically 904 00:56:22,380 --> 00:56:26,100 explaining things in in image and in words, that perhaps it 905 00:56:26,100 --> 00:56:30,330 comes from there. And through that, I also needed to market 906 00:56:30,330 --> 00:56:34,170 myself, of course, in that world, as I call myself as your 907 00:56:34,170 --> 00:56:37,380 Berry, you know, just to make it easy so that I don't have to use 908 00:56:37,380 --> 00:56:43,140 my last name. But but but really, I'm not good at 909 00:56:43,140 --> 00:56:46,980 marketing. I'm okay at creating these materials, but the 910 00:56:46,980 --> 00:56:51,690 marketing itself like on social media stuff I hate and I, right. 911 00:56:51,690 --> 00:56:51,840 Oh, 912 00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:54,660 Adam Curry: yeah. When I when I say marketing, I mean, just the 913 00:56:54,660 --> 00:56:58,770 website and all that stuff. The onboarding path, those are all 914 00:56:58,770 --> 00:57:01,590 good. I mean, you got that down. I think that's, that's really 915 00:57:01,590 --> 00:57:02,280 impressive. 916 00:57:03,330 --> 00:57:06,450 Dave Jones: Yeah, what mediums do you support very, is it just 917 00:57:06,450 --> 00:57:09,390 podcasting in podcasts and music right now? Or do you have other 918 00:57:09,390 --> 00:57:10,530 like audiobooks and that kind of 919 00:57:10,529 --> 00:57:13,499 Unknown: thing? Podcasts? Well, everything that's currently 920 00:57:13,499 --> 00:57:17,909 supported in the index are in the space. So that's podcast, 921 00:57:18,059 --> 00:57:23,039 music, audio book. And I also added course, because I have a 922 00:57:23,039 --> 00:57:25,289 couple of courses that I just want to upload there as well. 923 00:57:25,679 --> 00:57:28,889 Although it's no official thing. And I don't think any apps are 924 00:57:28,889 --> 00:57:31,919 actually using it, but at least it's you know, semantically then 925 00:57:31,919 --> 00:57:32,519 it's correct. 926 00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:35,490 Adam Curry: One of the big things I found Well, the two 927 00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:40,770 main things that people choose podcast hosts are, the two 928 00:57:40,830 --> 00:57:45,120 criteria they choose it for is a customer service, which you 929 00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:47,790 know, obviously you're small, you're one guy, so this is going 930 00:57:47,790 --> 00:57:51,810 to be stellar, above and beyond, I'm sure. And the second one is 931 00:57:51,810 --> 00:57:56,460 statistics, which is, you know, a current topic that we've been 932 00:57:56,460 --> 00:57:58,470 talking about, how do you handle that? 933 00:57:59,730 --> 00:58:03,690 Unknown: So statistics? Well, first of all, I am never going 934 00:58:03,690 --> 00:58:07,080 to get IAB certified and not because I'm not doing it. 935 00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:08,280 Dave Jones: You wouldn't nobody else. 936 00:58:09,900 --> 00:58:12,630 Unknown: Probably, I just don't want to, I'm not going to pay 937 00:58:12,630 --> 00:58:14,310 that fee. I think that's ridiculous. 938 00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:16,350 Dave Jones: Well, you're what I'm saying is like, you're not 939 00:58:16,350 --> 00:58:18,600 you're not alone. Now nobody's paying the fee. Everybody's 940 00:58:19,170 --> 00:58:19,620 bailing? 941 00:58:21,060 --> 00:58:24,510 Unknown: I think, yeah, I think it's helpful to have something 942 00:58:24,510 --> 00:58:28,530 that everybody uses kind of the same way to measure it. Right? 943 00:58:29,430 --> 00:58:34,770 That's helpful. But still, it's very difficult. Because first of 944 00:58:34,770 --> 00:58:38,640 all, these things are just not downloads, and any information 945 00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:43,230 that you get from a request is just not very reliable, you 946 00:58:43,230 --> 00:58:46,830 know, IP addresses, where did they come from? Who knows? I use 947 00:58:46,830 --> 00:58:51,990 a VPN all the time I switch countries all the time. I have 948 00:58:51,990 --> 00:58:56,640 devices that run on IP six that change their IP address quickly. 949 00:58:57,000 --> 00:58:59,940 So it's very difficult to actually know what's going on, 950 00:59:00,150 --> 00:59:04,140 let alone to determine did you actually listen to this thing? 951 00:59:04,170 --> 00:59:06,990 Or was it a download was an automatic download? Was it 952 00:59:06,990 --> 00:59:10,680 something else? Was it actually the same guy that listened to 953 00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:15,420 this episode, and continue to listen to it within this same 24 954 00:59:15,420 --> 00:59:21,630 or 48 hours? So I do a lot of filtering. And I probably filter 955 00:59:21,630 --> 00:59:27,900 a bit too much. So I do use the IAB methods that they recommends 956 00:59:27,900 --> 00:59:32,670 within their guidelines. And I also use the how to pronounce 957 00:59:32,670 --> 00:59:38,220 that oh, oh, walk out walk the John Spurlock stuff. To filter 958 00:59:38,220 --> 00:59:42,210 Yeah. And to determine which apps and which which things 959 00:59:42,450 --> 00:59:49,860 match the user agents which is brilliant by the way. So I my 960 00:59:49,860 --> 00:59:54,990 stuff is pretty accurate. But what I really like is Opie tree. 961 00:59:56,040 --> 01:00:00,210 I think that's brilliant. Because, you know John has is 962 01:00:00,210 --> 01:00:04,290 doing that, like almost full time, it seems, and always 963 01:00:04,290 --> 01:00:07,890 making it better. And it's it just looks very clean. 964 01:00:08,459 --> 01:00:11,279 Dave Jones: I you have that as an option in your dashcam for 965 01:00:11,279 --> 01:00:11,699 mp3. 966 01:00:12,900 --> 01:00:15,210 Unknown: Well, not in the dashboards, but you can just, 967 01:00:15,390 --> 01:00:18,570 you know, in your show settings, you can just check a box, and 968 01:00:18,570 --> 01:00:23,940 then I add to Opie tree, a prepayment to your, to your URLs 969 01:00:23,940 --> 01:00:26,220 for your episodes, and then automatically all your data also 970 01:00:26,220 --> 01:00:32,190 shows up in there. So that's very easy to do. And lots of 971 01:00:32,190 --> 01:00:34,920 customers actually do that as well, which is very good. Good 972 01:00:34,920 --> 01:00:36,330 to see. But yeah, 973 01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:40,380 Dave Jones: you know, think I'm glad that the IB stuff, honestly 974 01:00:40,380 --> 01:00:43,890 is is I mean, I don't wish it on anybody. But I'm just I'm glad 975 01:00:43,890 --> 01:00:49,170 that that is beginning to crumble. Show cracks? Because 976 01:00:49,230 --> 01:00:51,870 shouldn't be honest. I mean, shouldn't that shouldn't the 977 01:00:51,870 --> 01:00:57,030 entire IB spec, just be a GitHub repo? Yeah. Why are we why are 978 01:00:57,030 --> 01:00:59,850 we do they mean was this? It was 979 01:01:01,290 --> 01:01:04,140 Adam Curry: not just the one time fee? It's an ongoing 980 01:01:04,140 --> 01:01:05,040 percentage. 981 01:01:05,850 --> 01:01:08,130 Dave Jones: Yeah, yeah. The whole thing just seems like 982 01:01:08,160 --> 01:01:09,570 completely unnecessary. 983 01:01:09,630 --> 01:01:12,240 Adam Curry: They have they have to fund the certification 984 01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:16,740 process, which requires someone diving into a company's logs. 985 01:01:16,740 --> 01:01:20,070 And yeah, you know, that's, that's what it is. And the 986 01:01:20,070 --> 01:01:24,390 business model is Nielsen. You know, you pay Nielsen to be to 987 01:01:24,390 --> 01:01:28,830 get Nielsen ratings. What was the other one the online? The 988 01:01:28,830 --> 01:01:32,310 online system everybody was using for a while for blogs and 989 01:01:32,310 --> 01:01:34,620 everything? Oh, my God, I can't remember. Yeah, 990 01:01:34,620 --> 01:01:37,860 Dave Jones: no, no, like this, you know that that whole system 991 01:01:38,700 --> 01:01:44,070 is based on the fact that airwaves in spectrum is 992 01:01:44,070 --> 01:01:49,410 inaccessible to any to, to everybody without, without going 993 01:01:49,410 --> 01:01:52,650 through a government auction to purchase is, it's basically the, 994 01:01:53,100 --> 01:01:58,080 the, the barrier to entry into the market of cable and 995 01:01:58,080 --> 01:02:02,550 broadcast television is, is too high, and nobody can do it. So 996 01:02:02,820 --> 01:02:07,620 but when you're when you have an internet based system, then you 997 01:02:07,620 --> 01:02:11,880 have, you can have a huge company like Buzzsprout, and 998 01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:17,310 rss.com, and blueberry. And then you can have, on the other end 999 01:02:17,310 --> 01:02:23,100 of that come in a company like pod home and an RSS blue. And 1000 01:02:23,100 --> 01:02:27,600 there's no there's no reason for, like, there's no reason to 1001 01:02:27,600 --> 01:02:33,870 have this sort of opaque certification process that 1002 01:02:33,870 --> 01:02:37,380 happens where people just wait around for some auditing group 1003 01:02:37,380 --> 01:02:41,790 to go in and certify your algorithms when, when really 1004 01:02:41,790 --> 01:02:47,940 what will happen is that that stuff gets self audited. By just 1005 01:02:47,940 --> 01:02:51,240 looking at the at the numbers, it's like, okay, well, I can, 1006 01:02:51,330 --> 01:02:56,010 you can easily compare between a show I have over here in a show 1007 01:02:56,010 --> 01:03:01,080 I have over here. And I've got have bought some advertising on 1008 01:03:01,080 --> 01:03:05,100 this network and a lot of advertising on this network. And 1009 01:03:05,100 --> 01:03:07,770 these numbers don't make any sense. You know, this doesn't 1010 01:03:07,770 --> 01:03:10,890 match up. So like some there's some funny business going on 1011 01:03:10,890 --> 01:03:14,760 here. Like I just don't see that there's a need like there is 1012 01:03:14,760 --> 01:03:17,250 with like broadcast television, and radio. 1013 01:03:18,510 --> 01:03:21,840 Unknown: No, I totally agree. And, like you say the proof is 1014 01:03:21,840 --> 01:03:25,650 in the pudding. So the customers will figure it out by themselves 1015 01:03:25,650 --> 01:03:28,980 as well and can now also compare to OB tree, for instance, and 1016 01:03:28,980 --> 01:03:31,620 then easily see if it's, if it's correct or not. This 1017 01:03:31,620 --> 01:03:34,020 Adam Curry: kind of brings us back to what what you were 1018 01:03:34,020 --> 01:03:37,590 talking about earlier with Sam Seth, he was asking on, on pod 1019 01:03:37,590 --> 01:03:42,330 news weekly review. Once the Nielsen ratings really went to 1020 01:03:43,230 --> 01:03:46,200 actual data. So it used to be diary based, you know, you fill 1021 01:03:46,200 --> 01:03:48,960 out a diary, what you listen to, and you'd have Nielsen homes, 1022 01:03:49,050 --> 01:03:51,540 there's a great movie about that, by the way where the mob. 1023 01:03:53,640 --> 01:03:56,850 The mob produces a television show. And then they send all of 1024 01:03:56,850 --> 01:03:59,730 their mobsters to all these Nielsen homes. And they're all 1025 01:03:59,730 --> 01:04:02,010 sitting there with guns to the people's heads, like you got to 1026 01:04:02,010 --> 01:04:04,770 fill out our show. And so they became the number one TV show, 1027 01:04:04,890 --> 01:04:08,250 which of course, actually made them the number one TV show. But 1028 01:04:08,250 --> 01:04:12,000 once they moved to actual data from cable boxes, which is, you 1029 01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:16,890 know, it's spying on you all the time. And it's so low, that now 1030 01:04:16,950 --> 01:04:19,860 particularly with big live events, they don't even do 1031 01:04:19,860 --> 01:04:23,040 overnight ratings anymore. You can't get the ratings than it 1032 01:04:23,040 --> 01:04:25,650 used to be able to get up at seven in the morning, and have 1033 01:04:25,650 --> 01:04:29,190 the ratings and know exactly how well your show had done. That's 1034 01:04:29,190 --> 01:04:34,680 now moved to several days later than they have ratings plus one 1035 01:04:34,680 --> 01:04:39,120 day plus two days plus three days for, for reporting for 1036 01:04:39,120 --> 01:04:43,830 people who are using DVRs which, you know, of course also doesn't 1037 01:04:43,830 --> 01:04:46,110 take into account for the advertisers that this is 1038 01:04:46,110 --> 01:04:48,900 important for that their ads are being skipped. I mean, it's a 1039 01:04:48,900 --> 01:04:51,900 mess. It really isn't and people don't really want to know 1040 01:04:51,900 --> 01:04:54,420 because it turns out it's much lower. Yeah, 1041 01:04:54,420 --> 01:04:56,340 Dave Jones: you don't you don't want to see the real numbers 1042 01:04:56,340 --> 01:05:00,000 like it because they're depressing and even for big 1043 01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:03,120 shows the number the numbers are not what you think they are 1044 01:05:03,120 --> 01:05:08,490 answered in the IB. Like if my big issue is that the IB can say 1045 01:05:09,360 --> 01:05:14,670 they can they can create all the standardized metric standard 1046 01:05:14,670 --> 01:05:19,470 standardized algorithms they want. But when all of a sudden 1047 01:05:19,590 --> 01:05:24,180 one app makes a change, and everything goes down by 20%, it 1048 01:05:24,180 --> 01:05:28,080 shows you that the whole thing is built on. On garbage. Yeah, 1049 01:05:28,290 --> 01:05:32,130 Adam Curry: that was that was kind of unfortunate event. Yeah, 1050 01:05:32,129 --> 01:05:36,329 Dave Jones: I mean, like, it's something happens. It's not even 1051 01:05:36,359 --> 01:05:40,559 the 20. No, everything's down 20 24%. Across the 1052 01:05:40,560 --> 01:05:43,980 Adam Curry: board. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Be careful, 1053 01:05:43,980 --> 01:05:47,880 because you don't want the wrath of Todd. That That didn't happen 1054 01:05:47,880 --> 01:05:51,600 to blueberry. Okay. Their stats are superior, which I don't 1055 01:05:51,600 --> 01:05:53,640 doubt which I don't doubt will 1056 01:05:53,640 --> 01:05:57,210 Dave Jones: if everybody's a be certified. If everybody's I'd be 1057 01:05:57,210 --> 01:06:01,770 certified in an every host is going bound down by Weird, 1058 01:06:01,830 --> 01:06:06,900 radically different amounts, then this all silly. I mean, the 1059 01:06:06,900 --> 01:06:11,610 whole thing's goofy. It should just the download the algorithm 1060 01:06:11,610 --> 01:06:16,290 algorithms for measuring stairs should just be a GitHub repo 1061 01:06:16,290 --> 01:06:19,740 with a bunch of interested people there who are don't who 1062 01:06:19,740 --> 01:06:23,520 are who have the interest to get to donate their own time to get 1063 01:06:23,520 --> 01:06:26,400 this to happen. That's all that's all should be. There 1064 01:06:26,400 --> 01:06:28,170 should be no organization behind this 1065 01:06:28,380 --> 01:06:33,390 Adam Curry: dream on brother. Dream will never happen. That 1066 01:06:33,390 --> 01:06:36,090 Dave Jones: will happen. It absolutely I disagree. It will 1067 01:06:36,090 --> 01:06:38,880 happen. But it's as it's happening right now. Nobody's 1068 01:06:38,880 --> 01:06:42,000 renewing. Renewing everybody will just 1069 01:06:42,000 --> 01:06:44,130 Adam Curry: take that over to be a GitHub repo. Take that back. I 1070 01:06:44,130 --> 01:06:44,910 take that back. 1071 01:06:46,290 --> 01:06:49,170 Dave Jones: Yeah. I think everybody's tired of it. Well, 1072 01:06:49,170 --> 01:06:52,410 Adam Curry: I'd love op three, op three makes me happy. Give me 1073 01:06:52,560 --> 01:06:55,380 a night. I never looked at stats, all I cared about is can 1074 01:06:55,380 --> 01:07:00,390 I pay the rent. And now it's interesting to know, just for 1075 01:07:00,390 --> 01:07:04,560 me, Okay, I'm getting this many people who are supporting with 1076 01:07:04,560 --> 01:07:08,220 value for value, the treasure part because a lot of people 1077 01:07:08,220 --> 01:07:11,730 support with time and talent, which is absolutely equatable to 1078 01:07:11,730 --> 01:07:17,580 money. And so I can see that percentage, that's important to 1079 01:07:17,580 --> 01:07:20,790 me. And it doesn't matter how accurate the number is, it's the 1080 01:07:20,790 --> 01:07:24,120 number as long as the numbers consistent, and now having the 1081 01:07:24,120 --> 01:07:27,150 timestamps in there. Now, it's interesting. Now I can use it 1082 01:07:27,150 --> 01:07:30,930 from a programming standpoint, I can make decisions about what 1083 01:07:30,930 --> 01:07:35,430 I'm doing in the show itself. And, and this is the one thing 1084 01:07:35,640 --> 01:07:39,630 that I've always felt with value for value streaming payments, 1085 01:07:39,780 --> 01:07:44,730 there is a huge reward. For me as when Tina and I started our 1086 01:07:44,730 --> 01:07:48,780 podcast, covering the keeper.com. We started up she 1087 01:07:48,780 --> 01:07:50,700 gets mad at me if I know promoted, we started our 1088 01:07:50,700 --> 01:07:54,810 podcast. We started from zero, we didn't it's still not an 1089 01:07:54,810 --> 01:07:58,020 apple, we didn't put it anywhere else only on modern podcast 1090 01:07:58,020 --> 01:08:02,820 apps. And just for her as a brand new podcast, I wanted to 1091 01:08:02,820 --> 01:08:06,900 take a look. And she could see per minute Satoshis coming in, 1092 01:08:07,140 --> 01:08:11,760 that encouraged her. It gave her a really good encouraged me. And 1093 01:08:11,760 --> 01:08:15,150 I'm jaded, I'm like, Wow, that's so cool. Someone is actually 1094 01:08:15,150 --> 01:08:18,600 listening. And they care so much that they they're sending a 1095 01:08:18,600 --> 01:08:23,520 Satoshi per minute or whatever it is. That, to me is what's 1096 01:08:23,520 --> 01:08:26,640 beautiful. And what podcasting is about that encouragement is 1097 01:08:26,640 --> 01:08:30,270 built right in. I also liked the idea of the AI generated, you 1098 01:08:30,270 --> 01:08:33,570 know, thumbs up, but I'm just saying this is this is something 1099 01:08:33,570 --> 01:08:35,550 that is very exciting for podcasting. 1100 01:08:36,870 --> 01:08:40,110 Unknown: Yeah, absolutely. And so with the analytics, you know, 1101 01:08:40,110 --> 01:08:42,750 you have to think about what's the use of even showing 1102 01:08:42,780 --> 01:08:45,720 analytics to users, right, and you hit it on the head right 1103 01:08:45,720 --> 01:08:49,140 there. So it's it's motivation, like is somebody actually 1104 01:08:49,140 --> 01:08:52,170 listening to this stuff? And then you can have some extra 1105 01:08:52,170 --> 01:08:54,480 things oh, people are listening in five countries in 10 1106 01:08:54,480 --> 01:08:59,070 countries that's so exciting. And something actionable so what 1107 01:08:59,070 --> 01:09:02,280 are they listening to? What what is what is resonating with the 1108 01:09:02,280 --> 01:09:04,470 people that are listening? Right? You know, you might have 1109 01:09:04,470 --> 01:09:08,130 an episode that's that's viral ish or something, you know, more 1110 01:09:08,130 --> 01:09:12,180 popular than other episodes. So you can then change what you do 1111 01:09:12,420 --> 01:09:16,620 based upon that those things. But it's nothing more than that. 1112 01:09:16,680 --> 01:09:19,890 But you should you know, think about why you are actually even 1113 01:09:19,890 --> 01:09:24,240 showing this to users not just because you have it right. 1114 01:09:24,749 --> 01:09:26,669 Dave Jones: Well if you're gonna if you're gonna make it through 1115 01:09:26,939 --> 01:09:32,729 podcast winter, you know, if in this industry, I think the 1116 01:09:32,759 --> 01:09:35,699 companies that make it through podcast winter are going to be 1117 01:09:36,239 --> 01:09:41,429 small teams. And I would say you know, people like the size of 1118 01:09:41,489 --> 01:09:45,959 this as of blueberry RSS, Buzzsprout red circle and 1119 01:09:45,959 --> 01:09:51,419 smaller though those those companies the the big the big 1120 01:09:51,419 --> 01:09:56,609 staffed, hosting companies that are all in on an on an 1121 01:09:56,609 --> 01:09:59,969 advertising play like Lipson and a cast and these just giant 1122 01:09:59,999 --> 01:10:03,899 Companies that that are trying to go public trying to be 1123 01:10:03,899 --> 01:10:07,649 publicly listed, and they're going to struggle. The podcast 1124 01:10:07,649 --> 01:10:12,239 winter is going to be very hard for those companies, small teams 1125 01:10:13,709 --> 01:10:17,219 for you know, are are going to survive, and I think they're 1126 01:10:17,219 --> 01:10:21,149 going to do well. So I mean, like the end, so as see, it's 1127 01:10:21,149 --> 01:10:25,199 been really encouraging to see guys like you and W das and I N, 1128 01:10:26,369 --> 01:10:30,539 those guys bring sort of bringing up this very, sort of 1129 01:10:31,559 --> 01:10:35,429 almost like a like a boutique like these little boutique 2.0 1130 01:10:35,879 --> 01:10:38,999 hosting companies. Because we've we had, like we had somebody 1131 01:10:38,999 --> 01:10:43,919 asked us the other day, where, where can I go? And I want to do 1132 01:10:43,919 --> 01:10:47,999 an audio book podcast, right? Where can I go to do that, like 1133 01:10:47,999 --> 01:10:51,239 what host because the person that this was a person who 1134 01:10:51,239 --> 01:10:55,679 doesn't know anything about how podcasting works on a technical 1135 01:10:55,679 --> 01:11:00,179 level. So, you know, she was like, I've got an audio book, I 1136 01:11:00,179 --> 01:11:04,799 need to narrate for somebody. And I just need something that's 1137 01:11:04,799 --> 01:11:10,889 super easy. Well, the big, the bigger hosts, they're not there 1138 01:11:10,889 --> 01:11:14,129 yet, you know, they move slower. And so we're, you know, it's 1139 01:11:14,129 --> 01:11:18,329 like, well, now you have 2.0, hosts like pod home and ours is 1140 01:11:18,329 --> 01:11:22,229 blue, they can serve that market, they can serve the early 1141 01:11:22,229 --> 01:11:26,399 adopter 2.0 market, that is a legitimate market that just it 1142 01:11:26,399 --> 01:11:29,609 needs to be served. And but it's going to take a small team, a 1143 01:11:29,609 --> 01:11:33,599 small team like you to do it, and I'm really thankful for it. 1144 01:11:34,979 --> 01:11:39,929 Unknown: Yeah, and I'm happy to be able to, you know, use all of 1145 01:11:39,929 --> 01:11:44,219 your good work to make the listening experience better, 1146 01:11:44,219 --> 01:11:46,739 because that's what it's about, right? So when people have 1147 01:11:46,739 --> 01:11:50,219 transcripts and chapters, and that works across all apps, then 1148 01:11:50,219 --> 01:11:53,759 the listening experience becomes better. And that's also why I 1149 01:11:53,759 --> 01:11:56,579 chose to adopt all these features and tags. 1150 01:11:57,960 --> 01:12:01,620 Adam Curry: It also, and what's what I find beautiful about this 1151 01:12:01,620 --> 01:12:05,100 is now just some history for people who don't know, but the 1152 01:12:05,160 --> 01:12:10,500 the podcast ecosystem had become the podcast industrial complex 1153 01:12:10,500 --> 01:12:13,140 and was frozen, it was completely frozen, because 1154 01:12:13,140 --> 01:12:16,620 hosting companies would say, Well, you know, if Apple's not 1155 01:12:16,620 --> 01:12:19,080 going to do anything, then burn them, we're not going to do it, 1156 01:12:19,080 --> 01:12:21,870 we're not going to add any features. And everyone would be 1157 01:12:21,870 --> 01:12:24,600 I would be pleading with Apple and Apple had no intention of 1158 01:12:24,600 --> 01:12:27,420 doing anything like that. And which I can't fault them for. 1159 01:12:27,420 --> 01:12:30,090 It's not their core business, they don't care. They, they, 1160 01:12:30,120 --> 01:12:33,630 they want people to buy their products and, and use the base, 1161 01:12:33,630 --> 01:12:35,190 and they have their own namespace and their own 1162 01:12:35,190 --> 01:12:41,640 thoughts, which is fine. But through many miracles, seeing 1163 01:12:41,670 --> 01:12:47,220 the and not have to say a lot of it was Stephen B. Who started 1164 01:12:47,220 --> 01:12:50,610 said, Okay, here's an app, this is curio caster, and here's the 1165 01:12:50,670 --> 01:12:54,210 here's the service that that writes the feed. And just by 1166 01:12:54,210 --> 01:12:58,050 having that, and just by the end, I believe that everything 1167 01:12:58,050 --> 01:13:01,800 comes from publishing. So that's why I keep publishing cross SEC 1168 01:13:01,830 --> 01:13:05,730 comments. It's their data wants to go sim it wants to surface. 1169 01:13:06,510 --> 01:13:11,280 But But just as Dave said, having, being at the point now 1170 01:13:11,280 --> 01:13:16,590 where we have enough apps that have enough features, and then 1171 01:13:16,590 --> 01:13:20,640 seeing these 2.0, Native hosting companies would I call them as 1172 01:13:20,640 --> 01:13:24,810 you say, with no technical debt, that's that's progress that I 1173 01:13:24,810 --> 01:13:29,520 had. I hadn't even thought of happening. I'm so delighted to 1174 01:13:29,520 --> 01:13:29,940 see it. 1175 01:13:30,570 --> 01:13:32,580 Dave Jones: But it makes it a value, it makes it a valid 1176 01:13:32,580 --> 01:13:39,630 ecosystem. You know, because that because there's things when 1177 01:13:39,630 --> 01:13:43,380 we, when we run with scissors and do something that's really 1178 01:13:43,380 --> 01:13:48,990 nuts, that then it takes, it really is only going to be 1179 01:13:48,990 --> 01:13:53,520 somebody like a one man team that is going to be able to to 1180 01:13:53,730 --> 01:13:57,750 to risk to handle the risk of doing a thing like that. And 1181 01:13:57,750 --> 01:14:01,560 Adam Curry: not only that, but to get artists who take risk. 1182 01:14:02,100 --> 01:14:05,820 Yeah, like Yeah, and then to see all these different teams come 1183 01:14:05,820 --> 01:14:10,380 together like on the the Minneapolis concert. I mean, 1184 01:14:11,010 --> 01:14:14,490 exactly, as you said, and oh man, this is so good. This is 1185 01:14:14,490 --> 01:14:20,610 good, rich discussion. This is the essence of podcasting. We 1186 01:14:20,610 --> 01:14:26,730 all got really caught up in money. And, and in, you know, 1187 01:14:27,210 --> 01:14:32,340 monetizing and growing your show and then you know being number 1188 01:14:32,340 --> 01:14:37,050 one, and that's not it at all. What it is, is being look, I've 1189 01:14:37,050 --> 01:14:40,530 been doing this for 16 years. According to OP three no agenda 1190 01:14:40,530 --> 01:14:45,900 has 900,000 people, that's my people, right? If it if it grows 1191 01:14:45,900 --> 01:14:49,380 to 2 million great if it shrinks to 400,000 It doesn't matter. 1192 01:14:49,770 --> 01:14:53,460 That's my people being able to see them interact with them. 1193 01:14:54,690 --> 01:14:58,380 Certainly through the feedback mechanism of booster grams, much 1194 01:14:58,380 --> 01:15:02,940 more about that than it is about out the money. It's beautiful 1195 01:15:02,940 --> 01:15:07,230 when it can be self sustaining. But that loop just those those 1196 01:15:07,230 --> 01:15:10,680 little satisfying things of knowing someone is out there. 1197 01:15:11,130 --> 01:15:15,810 That's really when podcasting becomes valuable to people's 1198 01:15:15,810 --> 01:15:19,710 lives, from the audience perspective, as well as the 1199 01:15:19,830 --> 01:15:21,210 podcaster. Perspective. 1200 01:15:22,740 --> 01:15:26,700 Unknown: Yeah, and so value attracts value, right. And so 1201 01:15:26,730 --> 01:15:27,900 what you guys are doing 1202 01:15:27,900 --> 01:15:29,520 Adam Curry: well, I gotta write, like, I write that one down, 1203 01:15:29,520 --> 01:15:31,740 there's a t shirt is. So 1204 01:15:31,770 --> 01:15:35,220 Unknown: So you created two methods that can create more 1205 01:15:35,220 --> 01:15:39,330 value for podcasters. Right? Because when they add all of 1206 01:15:39,330 --> 01:15:43,140 this extra metadata that wasn't there before, with just Apple, 1207 01:15:43,650 --> 01:15:46,890 then the listener gets more value out of it. It's that 1208 01:15:46,890 --> 01:15:50,700 simple. And then they can also provide you with value true 1209 01:15:50,700 --> 01:15:54,000 value for value and other means as well. But but that's the 1210 01:15:54,000 --> 01:15:58,200 whole circle, right? It's all just providing extra value. And 1211 01:15:58,200 --> 01:16:03,240 so I'm very happy to add things in bolt home, that add value to 1212 01:16:03,240 --> 01:16:07,230 what my people creates. And then what listeners can can listen to 1213 01:16:07,470 --> 01:16:11,010 me listen to myself, I love to listen to have have a better 1214 01:16:11,010 --> 01:16:15,540 listening experience. Right? So that's what it's all about. Did 1215 01:16:15,540 --> 01:16:19,770 Dave Jones: you did you? Did you say earlier that your AI product 1216 01:16:19,770 --> 01:16:22,470 is helping create the person tags? 1217 01:16:23,820 --> 01:16:29,040 Unknown: Yeah, yeah. So it can detect which people are 1218 01:16:29,040 --> 01:16:34,110 speaking. But it tries. It doesn't do that on voice, by the 1219 01:16:34,110 --> 01:16:38,310 way. Not yet, at least. And I probably won't do that. Because 1220 01:16:38,310 --> 01:16:41,280 that means I need to store that information as well. That's a 1221 01:16:41,610 --> 01:16:47,070 bit of a privacy thing. But But yeah, it, it tries to detect 1222 01:16:47,100 --> 01:16:51,900 which people are speaking. If it can, if it can try and suggest 1223 01:16:51,900 --> 01:16:52,590 that to you, I 1224 01:16:52,589 --> 01:16:56,279 Adam Curry: use for my trend, I really would love to use 1225 01:16:56,279 --> 01:16:59,399 something else. I'd love to get my money to somebody else by use 1226 01:16:59,429 --> 01:17:04,289 otter.ai. And the only reason I still use it is because it now I 1227 01:17:04,289 --> 01:17:07,619 had to tell it which which speaker but the speaker's names 1228 01:17:07,619 --> 01:17:11,999 were I really wanted the transcripts to have the name 1229 01:17:11,999 --> 01:17:15,119 because there was at least one app pod friend, as far as I 1230 01:17:15,119 --> 01:17:20,189 know, that does something really fun with Speaker names and so on 1231 01:17:20,219 --> 01:17:23,939 pod friend. When I'm talking there's my head pops up and a 1232 01:17:23,939 --> 01:17:26,249 little bubble with what I said. And when someone else is 1233 01:17:26,249 --> 01:17:29,729 talking, then that pops up. But I have not been able to find a 1234 01:17:29,729 --> 01:17:34,949 transcription service that does this with speed. And otter a dot 1235 01:17:34,949 --> 01:17:37,529 A it takes a long time. It takes a long time for that to 1236 01:17:37,529 --> 01:17:38,129 complete. 1237 01:17:39,600 --> 01:17:44,190 Unknown: Yeah, no, this is surprisingly fast, actually. But 1238 01:17:44,190 --> 01:17:48,810 yeah, so when you identify who says what, because you get you 1239 01:17:48,810 --> 01:17:51,600 get a little snippet of audio. And you're like, oh, that's 1240 01:17:51,600 --> 01:17:55,800 Adam. Okay, so that's Adam, Adam curry. That's the person call. 1241 01:17:55,800 --> 01:18:00,180 And then it's puts that in the in the transcript and also in, I 1242 01:18:00,180 --> 01:18:06,510 added transcripts in in JSON and an HTML and also an SRT in there 1243 01:18:06,510 --> 01:18:09,960 as well. Because some apps just use that. Or maybe you want to 1244 01:18:09,960 --> 01:18:13,920 download to SRT or VTT, for YouTube, if you want to go 1245 01:18:13,920 --> 01:18:14,280 there. 1246 01:18:15,360 --> 01:18:17,490 Adam Curry: But you can well, this is great. So maybe I'll 1247 01:18:17,490 --> 01:18:22,020 just switch from otter AI to pot home AI and just use it for the 1248 01:18:22,020 --> 01:18:25,950 transcripts. Yeah, you can take a look, I'd much rather pay you. 1249 01:18:26,010 --> 01:18:28,230 And it's about the same. In fact, I think I pay more for 1250 01:18:28,230 --> 01:18:30,240 otter than the 1599. 1251 01:18:31,560 --> 01:18:35,100 Unknown: Yeah, and pull the home AI is unlimited, just like 1252 01:18:35,100 --> 01:18:38,400 everything, everything else. So you're not bound to an amount of 1253 01:18:38,400 --> 01:18:39,390 hours per month. 1254 01:18:40,260 --> 01:18:42,240 Dave Jones: So are you using Azure on the back end for that? 1255 01:18:43,260 --> 01:18:46,110 Unknown: No, I I started off with that. But you're 1256 01:18:46,290 --> 01:18:50,250 Adam Curry: very Azure. You're very, very Yeah, 1257 01:18:50,340 --> 01:18:53,370 Unknown: I know. I know. And they have, you know, open AI 1258 01:18:53,370 --> 01:18:57,270 services on Azure. And all sorts of other stuff. Ai stuff on 1259 01:18:57,270 --> 01:18:58,740 Azure as well nowadays. How long 1260 01:18:58,740 --> 01:19:00,060 Dave Jones: does it take? It's expensive, though. 1261 01:19:01,260 --> 01:19:03,750 Unknown: It's expensive, but it's also very gated. So 1262 01:19:03,750 --> 01:19:07,170 whatever you put in there is filtered censored and ooh, you 1263 01:19:07,170 --> 01:19:11,850 said a bad words. Now I really don't turn anything. Yeah, just 1264 01:19:11,880 --> 01:19:12,300 AI 1265 01:19:12,300 --> 01:19:16,530 Adam Curry: the AI world is going to suck so bad. Vanilla. 1266 01:19:17,640 --> 01:19:20,400 So how long does it take on average for an hour of audio to 1267 01:19:20,400 --> 01:19:23,760 do the transcript with Speaker names? If you pre if you tell if 1268 01:19:23,760 --> 01:19:25,260 you teach it the speaker names. 1269 01:19:26,760 --> 01:19:30,990 Unknown: You cannot teach it the speaker names yet. So what it 1270 01:19:30,990 --> 01:19:35,640 takes about two minutes for hour of audio to get a whole 1271 01:19:35,640 --> 01:19:38,280 transcript and the rest of it back chapters and all that. 1272 01:19:39,120 --> 01:19:42,660 Adam Curry: So when it detects people, what do I get in the in 1273 01:19:42,660 --> 01:19:43,710 SRT file? 1274 01:19:44,310 --> 01:19:47,460 Unknown: So when it is done, then you go to your episode 1275 01:19:47,460 --> 01:19:50,550 settings and they have a people tab and then it says, Hey, we 1276 01:19:50,550 --> 01:19:54,840 found these two people. Is that correct? You need to confirm if 1277 01:19:54,840 --> 01:19:58,560 that's correct. Once you do that, then I stick it into the 1278 01:19:58,560 --> 01:20:01,740 transcript and into the s So T and everything else, 1279 01:20:01,800 --> 01:20:02,790 Adam Curry: do you have to do that every 1280 01:20:02,790 --> 01:20:06,510 Unknown: time? Yeah, for now? Yes. But I'm working on a 1281 01:20:06,660 --> 01:20:07,530 solution for them. 1282 01:20:07,650 --> 01:20:10,290 Adam Curry: Okay. Yeah. Cuz, because I just basically have, 1283 01:20:10,830 --> 01:20:14,340 you know, seven names or whatever. And so your yours is 1284 01:20:14,340 --> 01:20:17,340 not in my database. But now we'll put it in the next time 1285 01:20:17,340 --> 01:20:18,750 you come on, it'll detect you. 1286 01:20:19,800 --> 01:20:22,950 Unknown: Yeah, right. So so that is actually actual speaker 1287 01:20:22,950 --> 01:20:27,270 detection based on my voice and or your voice. And that's the 1288 01:20:27,270 --> 01:20:31,260 fancy way to do it. And very complicated, as well as I don't 1289 01:20:31,260 --> 01:20:33,870 need to store that information, which I really don't want to do. 1290 01:20:34,440 --> 01:20:38,100 But I can, but I, there's easier solutions as well. That's 1291 01:20:38,970 --> 01:20:40,980 Adam Curry: why I'm excited, I'm excited, two minutes would be 1292 01:20:40,980 --> 01:20:43,860 great. Because, you know, that's one of those things that always 1293 01:20:43,860 --> 01:20:47,370 have, it's, that would save, believe me, when you save me 1294 01:20:47,370 --> 01:20:52,380 time, you are my friend forever. So creating. So here's my 1295 01:20:52,380 --> 01:20:57,300 workflow. The minute I'm done with the show, and there's 1296 01:20:57,300 --> 01:21:00,180 usually no edit, so I just throw it into I upload it to the 1297 01:21:00,180 --> 01:21:02,970 server, while I'm doing all the other stuff, I need that because 1298 01:21:02,970 --> 01:21:05,910 I need to get the size is for the head request, you know, 1299 01:21:05,910 --> 01:21:10,290 whatever, when, before publishing the feed, then I 1300 01:21:10,290 --> 01:21:13,800 grabbed a dummy transcript file, I have to rename it, then I have 1301 01:21:13,800 --> 01:21:17,670 to open it up. Make sure it just says transcript as processing, 1302 01:21:17,970 --> 01:21:20,880 then I have to upload it then I have to wait until his upload, 1303 01:21:20,880 --> 01:21:23,340 make sure it's uploaded, and then I can continue. So it's 1304 01:21:23,340 --> 01:21:26,130 just a pain in the butt. It's just it's annoying. It's 1305 01:21:26,130 --> 01:21:28,860 annoying process for a world which should be automated and 1306 01:21:28,860 --> 01:21:29,700 computerized. 1307 01:21:30,660 --> 01:21:33,210 Unknown: Yeah, yeah. And nowadays, we can I think I use 1308 01:21:33,210 --> 01:21:36,360 the same back end server as fountain does because they are 1309 01:21:36,360 --> 01:21:44,010 also super quick with their transcripts. Okay, bad tech. 1310 01:21:44,010 --> 01:21:45,030 Look. Try it 1311 01:21:45,030 --> 01:21:47,760 Dave Jones: out. Yeah. Forget what are they use it? What was 1312 01:21:47,760 --> 01:21:48,570 the company there? 1313 01:21:49,530 --> 01:21:51,420 Unknown: I think they're using the same thing. And it's deep 1314 01:21:51,420 --> 01:21:52,020 Graham. 1315 01:21:52,560 --> 01:21:56,400 Dave Jones: dB. is so fast. Oh, 1316 01:21:56,400 --> 01:21:58,230 Adam Curry: it's great. It's great for transcript is 1317 01:21:58,230 --> 01:21:58,830 phenomenal. 1318 01:21:59,010 --> 01:21:59,670 Unknown: Languages. 1319 01:22:00,780 --> 01:22:03,930 Dave Jones: Yeah, that's That's right. I think. I think Nathan 1320 01:22:03,960 --> 01:22:07,290 is using that for steno as well. Or? Yeah, yeah. That's he was 1321 01:22:07,290 --> 01:22:11,910 because he does his remember, he his was just as fast as 1322 01:22:12,000 --> 01:22:15,900 fountain. Yeah, that's a great they will What would you like to 1323 01:22:15,900 --> 01:22:23,070 see Barry in? In Phase seven of the namespace? Is there. Is 1324 01:22:23,070 --> 01:22:27,090 there anything that you're going to give you more work high on 1325 01:22:28,410 --> 01:22:30,540 anything that you're really, really chomping at the bit to 1326 01:22:30,540 --> 01:22:30,990 see? 1327 01:22:32,460 --> 01:22:37,200 Unknown: This basically two things. So a very, I got my pen, 1328 01:22:37,230 --> 01:22:40,530 I'm reading a very good deduplication process. 1329 01:22:42,960 --> 01:22:43,920 Adam Curry: Yeah, 1330 01:22:44,970 --> 01:22:53,100 Unknown: it's a difficult thing. And, and, of course, cross as AP 1331 01:22:53,250 --> 01:22:58,260 comments, I would really love to offer that as well. So if I can 1332 01:22:58,260 --> 01:23:03,240 grab that from somewhere and show it to people in one 1333 01:23:03,240 --> 01:23:11,550 centralized place. That'd be awesome. Okay, yeah. So this 1334 01:23:11,550 --> 01:23:16,140 interaction with your with your listeners, right. Okay. Do you 1335 01:23:16,140 --> 01:23:19,860 Adam Curry: also give give each podcast their own homepage? 1336 01:23:20,460 --> 01:23:20,730 Yeah. 1337 01:23:20,760 --> 01:23:23,340 Unknown: If they want. Yeah. Yeah, flip a switch. And then I 1338 01:23:23,340 --> 01:23:25,530 generate a bolt home websites, 1339 01:23:25,560 --> 01:23:28,290 Adam Curry: because I've been using, I gotta give props to pod 1340 01:23:28,290 --> 01:23:35,460 page, which is also just a one a two man operation. And yes. 1341 01:23:37,290 --> 01:23:42,000 Dave Jones: Dave? No, I lost you for a second. Oh, no. 1342 01:23:42,330 --> 01:23:44,940 Adam Curry: I was saying, I want to give props to pod page, 1343 01:23:44,940 --> 01:23:50,490 because they've been, they've been adding 2.0 features. This 1344 01:23:50,490 --> 01:23:53,220 is really cool. Now in the I think chapters are starting to 1345 01:23:53,220 --> 01:23:56,700 show up. And you know, because that's just what I use for I've 1346 01:23:56,700 --> 01:23:59,040 been using that I like to know that a small independent 1347 01:23:59,040 --> 01:24:05,070 company. And I think that's very undervalued the value of having 1348 01:24:05,130 --> 01:24:08,700 having your homepage like booster Graham ball. Now. I'm 1349 01:24:08,700 --> 01:24:12,030 horrible at design. And I can't even make something that has 1350 01:24:12,030 --> 01:24:18,360 predefined templates look good. I just but it actually does for 1351 01:24:19,380 --> 01:24:24,810 for design. Oh, yeah, exactly. Yeah, 1352 01:24:25,080 --> 01:24:28,650 Unknown: I want to so that's why I have all these bells and 1353 01:24:28,650 --> 01:24:31,590 whistles, right like a porthole websites just to make it easy, 1354 01:24:31,620 --> 01:24:35,190 as easy as possible for you. So that you don't need to do any I 1355 01:24:35,190 --> 01:24:38,640 don't know, get a Squarespace thing or Aqua server or know 1356 01:24:38,640 --> 01:24:40,890 anything about that. You can just start it. 1357 01:24:41,040 --> 01:24:44,130 Adam Curry: Do you have a registration of domain names 1358 01:24:44,130 --> 01:24:46,230 through there as well? Or how does that work 1359 01:24:46,230 --> 01:24:48,450 Unknown: a couple of your custom domain to it if you want and 1360 01:24:48,450 --> 01:24:52,710 otherwise it will be an address that I generates. It's a simple 1361 01:24:52,710 --> 01:24:56,040 website that looks okay and it looks nice on on mobile as well. 1362 01:24:56,220 --> 01:24:59,730 And the fun thing is you can see your transcript on there and it 1363 01:24:59,730 --> 01:25:04,470 will highlights what is being goes along nice, nice, nice and 1364 01:25:04,470 --> 01:25:07,560 also chapters as well. And they do the same thing as well. So 1365 01:25:07,590 --> 01:25:09,450 whenever you're in a chapter you can see all right, 1366 01:25:09,570 --> 01:25:13,860 Adam Curry: the one thing that I found incredibly useful. Now 1367 01:25:13,860 --> 01:25:18,750 I've been generating my show notes in XML for ever since 1368 01:25:18,750 --> 01:25:24,540 freedom controller I guess I would my throat. And this 1369 01:25:24,540 --> 01:25:29,490 enabled people to create search engines, I have to say, yes, if 1370 01:25:29,490 --> 01:25:35,370 you look at Bing it.io, which Dino put together, sir Dino De 1371 01:25:35,370 --> 01:25:40,170 anonymous, being able to go to a search. And of course, there's 1372 01:25:40,170 --> 01:25:44,070 also the transcript search that Steven Bell put together, I use 1373 01:25:44,070 --> 01:25:47,730 that from time to time as well. Since being a.io is only for no 1374 01:25:47,730 --> 01:25:52,200 agenda, being able to search through the transcript and show 1375 01:25:52,200 --> 01:25:57,120 notes. Man, that's a game changer. And I feel so much more 1376 01:25:57,120 --> 01:26:00,060 could be done with that, that people just aren't thinking 1377 01:26:00,060 --> 01:26:03,450 about, but just from, I mean, I use it live during the show. 1378 01:26:03,450 --> 01:26:06,300 DeVore echo say something I have to say. I think we talked about 1379 01:26:06,300 --> 01:26:09,450 this before, boom, you know, five years ago. Oh, there it is. 1380 01:26:09,690 --> 01:26:12,930 Click it plays the audio. I mean, these are amazing things. 1381 01:26:14,220 --> 01:26:17,850 Unknown: Yeah, that's, well, now you mentioned it. So I also have 1382 01:26:17,880 --> 01:26:18,840 pen and paper here. 1383 01:26:19,350 --> 01:26:22,080 Adam Curry: Yeah, that's, that's boardrooms all about brother. 1384 01:26:22,650 --> 01:26:23,430 Yeah, that's, 1385 01:26:23,460 --> 01:26:25,650 Unknown: that's a cool feature. And thinking out loud. That 1386 01:26:25,650 --> 01:26:29,220 would be an awesome feature. If I could make something like 1387 01:26:29,220 --> 01:26:34,830 that, across all podcasts that I host that then have transcripts. 1388 01:26:34,830 --> 01:26:37,740 Right. So you go for something and then something shows up. And 1389 01:26:37,740 --> 01:26:44,340 you can immediately listen to it. Yeah, yeah. Okay, on the 1390 01:26:44,340 --> 01:26:44,940 backlog. 1391 01:26:46,740 --> 01:26:50,940 Adam Curry: So I know you have a full time job. Are you working 1392 01:26:50,940 --> 01:26:53,640 towards making this your full time? Occupation? 1393 01:26:54,060 --> 01:26:57,240 Unknown: This is my full time. Occupation. Oh, is this full 1394 01:26:57,240 --> 01:26:58,140 time? Oh, 1395 01:26:58,380 --> 01:27:00,420 Adam Curry: I thought I thought last time I thought when I heard 1396 01:27:00,420 --> 01:27:03,390 you on like pod news weekly review. You still had a day job? 1397 01:27:04,050 --> 01:27:09,060 Unknown: No, no, that might be some somebody else. So. So like 1398 01:27:09,060 --> 01:27:13,440 I said, I make my money with online courses. Stingray. Okay. 1399 01:27:13,440 --> 01:27:16,650 Yeah. And those things, you know, those are separate from 1400 01:27:16,650 --> 01:27:20,910 the effort that I put in them a long time ago. Sometimes I need 1401 01:27:20,910 --> 01:27:23,610 to update them. That's true. That doesn't cause thought 1402 01:27:23,610 --> 01:27:23,790 that's 1403 01:27:23,790 --> 01:27:25,950 Adam Curry: like an ongoing revenue that you get from that 1404 01:27:25,950 --> 01:27:29,040 stuff. Exactly. Yeah. How do I get into that? I like that 1405 01:27:29,040 --> 01:27:33,840 sounds. Give me some work, man. Let me narrate some stuff. 1406 01:27:33,900 --> 01:27:34,770 That's what I'm good at. 1407 01:27:36,000 --> 01:27:39,540 Unknown: Yeah, so so that provides me with time to make 1408 01:27:39,570 --> 01:27:43,440 stuff like this. So I'm doing this full time. I've been doing 1409 01:27:43,440 --> 01:27:45,990 this full time now for a year, and then some 1410 01:27:46,020 --> 01:27:47,730 Adam Curry: Wow, congratulations. And that's 1411 01:27:47,730 --> 01:27:48,360 great. Yeah. 1412 01:27:48,930 --> 01:27:53,940 Unknown: So if I do as well this year, then hopefully, I get 1413 01:27:53,940 --> 01:27:56,040 enough revenue from both home as well. 1414 01:27:56,070 --> 01:27:58,140 Adam Curry: You won't have to be a prostitute. And the rest of 1415 01:27:58,140 --> 01:28:03,120 the time, that's exactly what it is selling weed out of the trunk 1416 01:28:03,120 --> 01:28:08,160 of your car. Nice. Wow, that's great. Man. I'm so I'm so happy 1417 01:28:08,160 --> 01:28:10,860 for you. That's fantastic. That's what a success story. I 1418 01:28:10,860 --> 01:28:12,390 love it. And 1419 01:28:12,390 --> 01:28:16,470 Unknown: it also means that I do not need to take any VC money or 1420 01:28:16,500 --> 01:28:19,080 stuff like that. I really do not want to beautiful and to do 1421 01:28:19,080 --> 01:28:22,410 that. You're just fully bootstrapped. And all I have is 1422 01:28:22,410 --> 01:28:23,700 time I can only go up. 1423 01:28:24,420 --> 01:28:27,930 Dave Jones: Yeah. And what is your what is your technology 1424 01:28:27,930 --> 01:28:31,230 stack look like it at pod home? Is that? Is that a Microsoft 1425 01:28:31,230 --> 01:28:32,070 stack? Or what is that? 1426 01:28:32,100 --> 01:28:35,040 Unknown: Yeah. Yeah, Microsoft stack. So I'm very comfortable 1427 01:28:35,040 --> 01:28:42,600 with that. You know, so I run it on in Azure as well. So it is 1428 01:28:43,470 --> 01:28:48,930 ASP. Net blazer for those of blazer. Interesting. Yeah, it's 1429 01:28:48,930 --> 01:28:53,310 very interesting, because that means that I can do HTML and C 1430 01:28:53,310 --> 01:28:58,350 sharp in HTML, basically, which is just amazing. For me, as a 1431 01:28:58,350 --> 01:29:03,540 developer. I use lots of Azure functions as background 1432 01:29:03,540 --> 01:29:07,500 processes that do lots of stuff like imports and process media, 1433 01:29:07,950 --> 01:29:14,220 kick off other things, AI all that type stuff. Wow. Yeah, just 1434 01:29:14,880 --> 01:29:17,340 standard Microsoft stuff. I'm 1435 01:29:17,340 --> 01:29:19,980 Dave Jones: pretty I'm pretty sure you hold the distinction of 1436 01:29:19,980 --> 01:29:23,910 being the only Microsoft stack and all the podcasting if I had 1437 01:29:23,910 --> 01:29:27,000 to guess that's a wild guess. But I think I think that's 1438 01:29:27,000 --> 01:29:27,780 probably a safe 1439 01:29:28,230 --> 01:29:30,360 Adam Curry: Yeah, man. Yeah, don't you be like the cool kids 1440 01:29:30,360 --> 01:29:31,350 and use rust? 1441 01:29:32,190 --> 01:29:33,360 Dave Jones: No, no. 1442 01:29:36,060 --> 01:29:38,640 Unknown: No, just use what what what's the most comfortable 1443 01:29:38,640 --> 01:29:40,890 thing for you and where you're most productive in and that's 1444 01:29:40,890 --> 01:29:42,960 for me, that's C sharp and Microsoft stuff. 1445 01:29:43,560 --> 01:29:47,700 Dave Jones: Now, I love C sharp, C sharp is basically you write 1446 01:29:47,700 --> 01:29:50,760 part of Ebro. If you don't know the name of something, you just 1447 01:29:50,760 --> 01:29:54,030 write part of it and then you just hit Tab 800 times until you 1448 01:29:54,030 --> 01:30:00,930 find that C sharp. If any of you any of you Still confused, add a 1449 01:30:00,930 --> 01:30:02,640 dot and do it and hit Tab again. 1450 01:30:04,710 --> 01:30:06,810 Unknown: Well, I much better than JavaScript, if you just 1451 01:30:06,810 --> 01:30:09,930 type something in, you know, it seems to work and then it breaks 1452 01:30:09,930 --> 01:30:13,110 down into browser. It doesn't exist or 1453 01:30:13,110 --> 01:30:15,870 Adam Curry: like me just go to chat GPT and say, Hey, build 1454 01:30:15,870 --> 01:30:20,010 this for me and Bin Python. And then it does something that 1455 01:30:20,010 --> 01:30:24,150 doesn't work. Okay, it never works. rarely, rarely does it? 1456 01:30:24,330 --> 01:30:27,810 Does it work out of the box? Rarely. But 1457 01:30:27,870 --> 01:30:31,470 Unknown: I must say, you know, we can this AI all we want, but 1458 01:30:31,500 --> 01:30:36,330 I use GitHub co pilots. And that is basically Chet GPT. But then, 1459 01:30:36,810 --> 01:30:40,290 in developer mode, and it just helps me a lot with, you know, 1460 01:30:40,290 --> 01:30:41,130 thinking about things. I 1461 01:30:41,130 --> 01:30:43,170 Adam Curry: know, people swear by it. I mean, when it comes to 1462 01:30:43,170 --> 01:30:47,850 language, I'm all about the LLM. That's definitely I mean, 1463 01:30:48,390 --> 01:30:51,720 there's things that LLM is do very, very well. Oh, yeah. But 1464 01:30:51,720 --> 01:30:54,450 this whole idea of the machine is going to think and it's going 1465 01:30:54,450 --> 01:30:56,400 to eat the world now. I don't think so. 1466 01:30:57,450 --> 01:31:00,030 Unknown: No, but it can be a great helper for stuff like this 1467 01:31:00,060 --> 01:31:02,640 techspace stuff. Yeah, that's what it is. Yeah, 1468 01:31:02,670 --> 01:31:06,330 Adam Curry: logic, language construction is very good. One 1469 01:31:06,330 --> 01:31:09,300 of my favorite things to do is look at Bible scripture. You 1470 01:31:09,300 --> 01:31:11,790 couldn't give it a concept. And you know, it has so many 1471 01:31:11,790 --> 01:31:16,140 different versions of this of these texts, that it finds all 1472 01:31:16,140 --> 01:31:20,850 kinds of stuff, and it can write entire sermons. It's super 1473 01:31:20,850 --> 01:31:23,220 interesting. But language. Yeah, when it comes to language, it's 1474 01:31:23,220 --> 01:31:24,060 not bad at all. 1475 01:31:24,510 --> 01:31:27,690 Unknown: I'm just go ahead does do a good job there, or does it 1476 01:31:27,720 --> 01:31:28,680 hallucinate stuff? 1477 01:31:30,450 --> 01:31:35,010 Adam Curry: Well, that's a good question. Because I'm sure you 1478 01:31:35,010 --> 01:31:38,340 know, that's interesting. I think there's so much written 1479 01:31:38,820 --> 01:31:43,140 that it doesn't have to, I think the hallucination that happens 1480 01:31:43,140 --> 01:31:46,680 when it doesn't have an answer, or it doesn't have doesn't have 1481 01:31:46,680 --> 01:31:47,520 the data. 1482 01:31:48,630 --> 01:31:50,820 Dave Jones: It doesn't reference the book of third Moses. 1483 01:31:51,300 --> 01:31:53,310 Adam Curry: That will be awesome, wouldn't it? Yeah. 1484 01:31:55,380 --> 01:32:03,960 Rewrite Revelation where it's all good. Okay. So yeah, no, I'm 1485 01:32:03,990 --> 01:32:07,860 but I have to continue to dis AI, because I just don't see the 1486 01:32:07,860 --> 01:32:11,280 business model. I mean, you pay for a co pilot. 1487 01:32:12,720 --> 01:32:15,810 Unknown: Yeah, but they are, apparently they're losing money. 1488 01:32:16,080 --> 01:32:16,800 Like, they must 1489 01:32:16,800 --> 01:32:20,070 Adam Curry: be that it's the overhead of running it. I mean, 1490 01:32:20,070 --> 01:32:27,210 I run I have 11 LLM or my start nine, which is a lot of fun. But 1491 01:32:27,210 --> 01:32:28,680 I can just see what it takes. 1492 01:32:29,880 --> 01:32:31,680 Unknown: It takes a lot of compute power. Yeah. 1493 01:32:31,680 --> 01:32:34,590 Adam Curry: And if if you want to, so there's like an 11 1494 01:32:34,590 --> 01:32:39,240 gigabyte model. And that that just takes a lot more to, then 1495 01:32:39,240 --> 01:32:42,630 it's slower, it's just slower, because you know, the box is 1496 01:32:42,630 --> 01:32:47,250 limitations. So be as a trade off, if you want something quick 1497 01:32:47,250 --> 01:32:50,550 down and dirty, then you need to go for like a two gigabyte 1498 01:32:50,550 --> 01:32:53,730 model. But you know, your results may vary. 1499 01:32:54,750 --> 01:32:57,450 Unknown: But this will be a very temporary thing. So this is it's 1500 01:32:57,450 --> 01:33:00,840 still extremely new, right, since that this has been 1501 01:33:00,840 --> 01:33:06,330 actually working as a consumer product. So I believe that in 1502 01:33:06,330 --> 01:33:09,780 the years to come, this will be very cheap to run. And then they 1503 01:33:09,780 --> 01:33:13,710 can make lots of money. And we all are in the door already. So 1504 01:33:13,710 --> 01:33:16,110 they're selling us already making us dependent on this 1505 01:33:16,110 --> 01:33:16,740 stuff. Well, the thing 1506 01:33:16,740 --> 01:33:18,930 Adam Curry: I'm skeptical about not to belabor this, turn this 1507 01:33:18,930 --> 01:33:23,010 into an AI podcast, but Google, you know, Google has a very 1508 01:33:23,010 --> 01:33:25,800 successful advertising model. That's their core business. 1509 01:33:25,800 --> 01:33:31,290 That's what they do. It's $40 billion a year. And I don't see 1510 01:33:31,800 --> 01:33:39,420 how you shoehorn AI functionality into they they 1511 01:33:39,420 --> 01:33:44,790 spent so much money on optimizing their whole DNA is 1512 01:33:44,820 --> 01:33:49,110 this took 0.3 seconds to get this answer. That's their entire 1513 01:33:49,110 --> 01:33:52,170 DNA. And they have to completely and they've been doing this. 1514 01:33:52,170 --> 01:33:55,920 They've been rejiggering all of their data centers. I mean, the 1515 01:33:55,920 --> 01:33:59,730 only people really making money right now is, you know, in 1516 01:33:59,730 --> 01:34:03,030 video, you know, the chip guys. And in fact that and Dave, I 1517 01:34:03,030 --> 01:34:05,490 think you told me this. That's exactly what Sam Walton was 1518 01:34:05,490 --> 01:34:10,170 doing is he was he was working, although Devorah Audis. I think 1519 01:34:10,170 --> 01:34:13,440 correctly. DeVore X is he's crazy. Because just to say, Oh, 1520 01:34:13,440 --> 01:34:16,710 I'm going to start a chip company. That's not that's a 20 1521 01:34:16,710 --> 01:34:20,730 year plan. You don't just start a chip company. And oh, I'll 1522 01:34:20,730 --> 01:34:23,340 just do AI chips is not that simple. 1523 01:34:24,300 --> 01:34:26,160 Unknown: Yeah, I could show us doing that now as well, their 1524 01:34:26,160 --> 01:34:27,690 own AI chip. Right. 1525 01:34:27,690 --> 01:34:29,820 Adam Curry: Right. And that was probably part of their deal. You 1526 01:34:29,820 --> 01:34:32,460 know, they have a built in consumer and that that's where 1527 01:34:32,460 --> 01:34:35,640 the money is. And my prediction is, it's all going to pivot to 1528 01:34:35,640 --> 01:34:38,340 qubits. Everyone's going to be like, well, you know, we can't 1529 01:34:38,340 --> 01:34:40,710 really make much money we're gonna do quantum and quantum 1530 01:34:40,710 --> 01:34:41,310 computing. 1531 01:34:42,030 --> 01:34:45,060 Dave Jones: But by the time by the time that this stuff gets 1532 01:34:45,060 --> 01:34:51,120 cheap enough to run it at scale, it will also be the the hardware 1533 01:34:51,120 --> 01:34:59,160 will also be capable enough to run the a 24 to 2436 Gig LLM on 1534 01:34:59,160 --> 01:35:02,340 your hardware. Yeah. And then at that point, you just run it 1535 01:35:02,340 --> 01:35:06,570 locally, and you don't need to scale anyway. So that's you, 1536 01:35:06,570 --> 01:35:12,780 because you if you can ship an LLM as an just in the OS, there 1537 01:35:12,780 --> 01:35:16,170 you go. There, you just don't even need this. You don't need 1538 01:35:16,170 --> 01:35:17,670 Azure anymore. So 1539 01:35:18,360 --> 01:35:21,060 Adam Curry: well, they will start, they will work as hard as 1540 01:35:21,060 --> 01:35:25,020 they can to protect that. Please see the executive order that our 1541 01:35:25,020 --> 01:35:27,630 president sign you. It's all about that it's all about 1542 01:35:27,810 --> 01:35:32,400 blocking off and protecting the incumbents. Yeah. 1543 01:35:33,720 --> 01:35:36,780 Unknown: Well, we'll see I am looking into running my own 1544 01:35:36,780 --> 01:35:40,560 thing in the future, so that I'm not dependent on any third party 1545 01:35:40,560 --> 01:35:44,940 services. So but but let's see. We'll see how it goes. It 1546 01:35:44,970 --> 01:35:46,260 evolves quickly, please. 1547 01:35:46,980 --> 01:35:49,500 Adam Curry: Well, Barry, it's, it's been cool to have you in 1548 01:35:49,500 --> 01:35:53,880 the boardroom. Ma'am. This. As I said, I'm just delighted and 1549 01:35:54,060 --> 01:35:59,550 overjoyed at your success. And, you know, as I call you, you and 1550 01:36:02,730 --> 01:36:07,650 RSS blew up. It does. Yeah, your, your, your 2.0 native 1551 01:36:07,650 --> 01:36:11,460 companies. And that's very exciting. It really is. And I 1552 01:36:11,460 --> 01:36:14,100 look forward to more, you know, some more of the stuff that you 1553 01:36:14,100 --> 01:36:19,500 put together tonight. I not being an AI fan, but I think 1554 01:36:19,500 --> 01:36:24,300 you're making very good usage of MLMs to, you know, to create a 1555 01:36:24,300 --> 01:36:27,540 lot of the metadata, that may just be harder for some people 1556 01:36:27,540 --> 01:36:32,790 to do. I mean, even coming up with titles and stuff. I spend 1557 01:36:32,790 --> 01:36:35,490 time on that, you know, it's not always easy for people. That's 1558 01:36:35,490 --> 01:36:40,170 one of the main things I would be great if it'd be fun to see 1559 01:36:40,170 --> 01:36:44,940 if if art could ever be created for chapters. Yeah, yeah. 1560 01:36:45,030 --> 01:36:50,460 Although I prefer humans I love Yeah, please. I want to make 1561 01:36:50,460 --> 01:36:53,250 sure that Dred Scott doesn't get upset dread. We love you, 1562 01:36:53,250 --> 01:36:56,070 brother. We love you. We love we love what you do. You do the 1563 01:36:56,070 --> 01:36:58,320 best chapters, and I'm never gonna replace you. 1564 01:36:58,800 --> 01:37:01,380 Dave Jones: Sometimes I see a chapter title from Drib. And it 1565 01:37:01,380 --> 01:37:02,280 just makes me laugh. 1566 01:37:04,229 --> 01:37:07,049 Adam Curry: I know. I know. That and the humor. That's the one 1567 01:37:07,049 --> 01:37:10,949 thing humor is going to be very difficult. People using AI for 1568 01:37:10,949 --> 01:37:14,969 humor is right now is the killer app. I mean, did you hear that? 1569 01:37:14,969 --> 01:37:16,079 You hear the Bill Gates. 1570 01:37:16,470 --> 01:37:20,040 Unknown: Ai I had. Yeah, that was awesome. I don't 1571 01:37:20,040 --> 01:37:21,780 Adam Curry: know Dave, did you hear it? You haven't heard it? 1572 01:37:21,780 --> 01:37:23,850 No, I didn't hear some of this only 30 seconds. 1573 01:37:24,270 --> 01:37:27,000 Dave Jones: I'm here in Dubai. And of course I flew in on my 1574 01:37:27,000 --> 01:37:32,640 private jet. Very, very important meeting. The issue of 1575 01:37:32,670 --> 01:37:37,860 you peasants eating bugs will be discussed at length. That's 1576 01:37:37,860 --> 01:37:42,330 never gotten the attention it deserves the issue of COVID-19 1577 01:37:42,450 --> 01:37:45,750 not killing off enough poor people and my vaccines not 1578 01:37:45,750 --> 01:37:48,420 weeding out the rest of you bastards, which is a tragedy of 1579 01:37:48,420 --> 01:37:52,620 course. We'll talk about using killer robots next chat 1580 01:37:52,650 --> 01:37:54,180 absolutely solve that problem. 1581 01:37:55,830 --> 01:37:58,590 Adam Curry: That's the best the killer app of AI right now is 1582 01:37:58,620 --> 01:38:01,980 using it for comedic purposes. But it can't come up with the 1583 01:38:01,980 --> 01:38:03,000 jokes itself. 1584 01:38:03,660 --> 01:38:06,630 Dave Jones: Yeah, see dread drab on the last show when we talked 1585 01:38:06,630 --> 01:38:11,070 about Gilmore Girls. His his chapter title was pod the pod 1586 01:38:11,070 --> 01:38:15,540 sage visit Stars Hollow like that's just beautiful. Yeah. 1587 01:38:16,230 --> 01:38:18,570 This the AI is not gonna there's not going to help you 1588 01:38:18,569 --> 01:38:20,819 Adam Curry: with it. No, you can't replace it. Shall we? 1589 01:38:20,819 --> 01:38:25,289 thank a few people. Dave. I'm going to look at the booster 1590 01:38:25,289 --> 01:38:29,459 grams that have come in. I think people have been so engrossed in 1591 01:38:29,459 --> 01:38:32,399 the conversation there's been very little boosting going on. 1592 01:38:32,879 --> 01:38:36,449 Which is not a problem. But I will read what I have hard hat 1593 01:38:36,449 --> 01:38:41,039 3333 That was 19 minutes ago and then before that, it was one 1594 01:38:41,039 --> 01:38:46,769 hour ago. He says boost one hour ago 1701 from source D who said 1595 01:38:46,769 --> 01:38:51,449 73 source D I expect Kyuzo from you kita five Alpha Charlie 1596 01:38:51,449 --> 01:38:59,219 Charlie salty crayon who sent 333 And he says board room is 1597 01:38:59,219 --> 01:39:06,719 lit and I believe that is it. That's what we got live boosters 1598 01:39:06,719 --> 01:39:12,089 low low low boost winter. Where's winter burn boost? 1599 01:39:14,010 --> 01:39:17,700 Dave Jones: Yeah, we've got we have no no one off papers this 1600 01:39:17,700 --> 01:39:21,780 week. But we do have some boosts we got 33 333 through from Dred 1601 01:39:21,780 --> 01:39:24,990 Scott. Thank you. Director yo Catherine dribs says howdy David 1602 01:39:24,990 --> 01:39:27,660 Adam and Hi there podcast listeners. I'd like to invite 1603 01:39:27,660 --> 01:39:31,500 you to check out and subscribe to CSB dot lol which features 1604 01:39:31,500 --> 01:39:34,980 hilarious cartoons just ever to head over to see his beat up lol 1605 01:39:34,980 --> 01:39:36,510 and get ready to laugh. Drib 1606 01:39:36,540 --> 01:39:40,080 Adam Curry: Wow. This is interesting. Marketing CSB has 1607 01:39:40,080 --> 01:39:42,120 gotten dragged to promote him. I love it. 1608 01:39:42,750 --> 01:39:47,100 Dave Jones: Or CSB is pretending to be Drib which could also be 1609 01:39:47,670 --> 01:39:49,620 Adam Curry: doesn't seem like his style. 1610 01:39:50,070 --> 01:39:52,410 Dave Jones: It doesn't. It doesn't but it is very it's 1611 01:39:52,410 --> 01:39:57,480 still part of technically possible. Yes. Thank you Jerry. 1612 01:39:58,410 --> 01:40:02,220 Via 5000 sunsets through fountain he says, wasn't 1613 01:40:02,220 --> 01:40:05,550 listening live. So I don't know if anyone was awake. But I for 1614 01:40:05,550 --> 01:40:08,880 sure enjoy the rest talk. The unwrapping sounds like tagged 1615 01:40:08,880 --> 01:40:13,050 unions for kids, which is great love to hear traditional 1616 01:40:13,050 --> 01:40:16,170 imperative coders get slowly feature by feature sucked into 1617 01:40:16,170 --> 01:40:18,210 the magical world of functional programming. 1618 01:40:18,750 --> 01:40:20,580 Adam Curry: Yes, I'm glad I could participate in that 1619 01:40:20,580 --> 01:40:21,390 conversation. 1620 01:40:21,480 --> 01:40:23,550 Dave Jones: I feel you're a big fan of functional programming. 1621 01:40:23,580 --> 01:40:25,350 Adam Curry: It's one of my favorites. I mean, you know, 1622 01:40:25,350 --> 01:40:29,070 besides tabbing 1000 times to get to the right answer and C 1623 01:40:29,070 --> 01:40:32,100 sharp, it's yeah, I'm all about the functional thing. Yeah. 1624 01:40:32,370 --> 01:40:36,210 Dave Jones: And don't forget dots mean, dots. Yes, mere 1625 01:40:36,210 --> 01:40:39,750 mortals podcast 2222. Through fountain he says, a car and he 1626 01:40:39,750 --> 01:40:43,020 says I'm focusing a lot more on Convos. Again, and especially 1627 01:40:43,020 --> 01:40:45,690 those involved with value for value. Are there any questions 1628 01:40:45,690 --> 01:40:48,330 or themes you would like to hear? Where you think are 1629 01:40:48,330 --> 01:40:51,420 lacking from the general Convo would love your thoughts go 1630 01:40:51,420 --> 01:40:52,110 podcasting? 1631 01:40:53,310 --> 01:40:57,300 Adam Curry: First of all, Podcast. I'm sure I don't know. 1632 01:40:57,300 --> 01:41:01,050 Barry, you got anything that you that you'd like as a combo 1633 01:41:01,050 --> 01:41:06,780 topic? I don't know. I mean, I'm not sure I'm I'm always 1634 01:41:06,780 --> 01:41:09,600 delighted by the surprising conversations that you have 1635 01:41:09,600 --> 01:41:13,620 Kyron so I haven't No, no demands. 1636 01:41:14,670 --> 01:41:19,440 Dave Jones: I would love to hear a devil's advocate. I would love 1637 01:41:19,440 --> 01:41:24,570 to hear some ever ever serial back and forth about it. I don't 1638 01:41:24,570 --> 01:41:26,700 think it'll work and then showing that it does. 1639 01:41:27,210 --> 01:41:30,450 Adam Curry: Yeah, we need more adversity online was not enough. 1640 01:41:30,480 --> 01:41:30,660 Yeah, 1641 01:41:30,659 --> 01:41:32,579 Dave Jones: no, that's okay. I forget it. Forget it. Take it 1642 01:41:32,579 --> 01:41:38,129 back. Take it back. Cut that out in post? I don't think so. dribs 1643 01:41:38,129 --> 01:41:47,219 got 12345 There Kira Castro. He says, Boo Steen. See the 1644 01:41:47,219 --> 01:41:52,589 nonnamous 5000 sets the pod verse. He or she says reply 1645 01:41:52,589 --> 01:41:55,199 addresses and boosts now awesome. If we could one day 1646 01:41:55,199 --> 01:42:00,809 replace email with booster grams. Yeah, that's Hey, 1647 01:42:01,500 --> 01:42:04,260 Adam Curry: I'm ready for the replies man, I am ready for it. 1648 01:42:04,290 --> 01:42:05,580 We'll get there eventually. 1649 01:42:06,450 --> 01:42:08,910 Dave Jones: Eric pap is banging his head against it. He's he's 1650 01:42:08,910 --> 01:42:09,810 working on it. Yeah, 1651 01:42:09,810 --> 01:42:12,930 Adam Curry: I know is my guy doing all that and how LeapPad 1652 01:42:12,930 --> 01:42:17,400 is such a beautiful product. It's it's like I use it all day 1653 01:42:17,430 --> 01:42:17,850 long. 1654 01:42:18,840 --> 01:42:22,650 Dave Jones: another shining example of my, my fantastic UI 1655 01:42:22,650 --> 01:42:24,120 style skills. It's 1656 01:42:24,120 --> 01:42:26,100 Adam Curry: actually one of your better UI. 1657 01:42:28,200 --> 01:42:30,270 Dave Jones: Because I know what you're trying to compliment. 1658 01:42:30,270 --> 01:42:31,620 It's actually not a customer. What do 1659 01:42:31,620 --> 01:42:35,430 Adam Curry: you mean that was a compliment? If you've evolved 1660 01:42:35,430 --> 01:42:35,700 board 1661 01:42:35,700 --> 01:42:39,030 Dave Jones: bugs with Sharpie on it is what that is. 1662 01:42:39,060 --> 01:42:41,940 Adam Curry: It's very functional. I like it a lot. And 1663 01:42:41,940 --> 01:42:46,440 ever since you taught me how to import a CSV file into Excel to 1664 01:42:46,440 --> 01:42:49,770 create a Pivot Table. My life has never been the same. It's 1665 01:42:49,770 --> 01:42:51,480 just beautiful. Baby 1666 01:42:51,479 --> 01:42:53,819 Dave Jones: this dress looks makes it look fast. No, you look 1667 01:42:53,819 --> 01:42:54,869 very functional. 1668 01:42:56,070 --> 01:42:57,960 Adam Curry: Wow, I'll try that tonight. 1669 01:42:59,670 --> 01:43:04,170 Dave Jones: Sir Brian of London 21 948 YO YO THROUGH cast ematic 1670 01:43:04,800 --> 01:43:07,650 he says the tone of this message has been checked by AI and 1671 01:43:07,650 --> 01:43:09,690 verified, friendly and supportive. You know, 1672 01:43:09,719 --> 01:43:13,079 Adam Curry: I got a lot of people commenting on that. Then 1673 01:43:13,079 --> 01:43:16,259 when we ran comments, your blogger through the through chat 1674 01:43:16,259 --> 01:43:22,439 GPT Okay, people love that. There were people like trying to 1675 01:43:22,469 --> 01:43:26,009 automate it, you know, so they can have a sub commentator 1676 01:43:26,009 --> 01:43:29,789 Blogger account. Like when he when he when he when he posts 1677 01:43:29,789 --> 01:43:34,349 something that would create a a mirror of him speaking nicely. 1678 01:43:35,429 --> 01:43:37,439 As be ad 1679 01:43:37,439 --> 01:43:41,429 Dave Jones: friendly, CSV. That was great. It was great. Phantom 1680 01:43:41,429 --> 01:43:45,779 power music 10,000 says through true fans, he says market 1681 01:43:45,809 --> 01:43:48,359 Ainsley Costello please. Oh, 1682 01:43:48,660 --> 01:43:50,460 Adam Curry: yes, I need to give an update. I had the 1683 01:43:50,460 --> 01:43:53,730 conversation with the $30 million dollar media company 1684 01:43:53,730 --> 01:43:57,660 guy. Okay. And he did not understand that all what I was 1685 01:43:57,660 --> 01:44:02,520 talking about, although we are under he, I mean, we got into he 1686 01:44:02,520 --> 01:44:07,710 gave me his vision, which I understand. And I said, Well, 1687 01:44:07,740 --> 01:44:11,730 you know, I think it's, I don't think it's a good idea to put 1688 01:44:11,730 --> 01:44:16,050 money into content creation, that's a good way to spend all 1689 01:44:16,050 --> 01:44:22,830 your money. And, and, you know, he had he has a vision. And I 1690 01:44:22,830 --> 01:44:28,530 said, Well, you know, I'm happy to help and advise but you'll 1691 01:44:28,530 --> 01:44:32,190 get you know, you'll get pushback from me and then he 1692 01:44:32,190 --> 01:44:35,070 asked me to be an advisor which I said I would definitely 1693 01:44:35,070 --> 01:44:39,510 consider because anything I can do mainly the music thing is 1694 01:44:39,510 --> 01:44:44,220 what interested him but he did put in the the T word in his 1695 01:44:44,220 --> 01:44:45,150 conversation. 1696 01:44:46,979 --> 01:44:48,539 Dave Jones: He has a nice term 1697 01:44:48,570 --> 01:44:49,650 Adam Curry: now as in tipping. 1698 01:44:50,489 --> 01:44:53,489 Dave Jones: Oh, and dagger to 1699 01:44:53,490 --> 01:44:57,810 Adam Curry: the heart. And yeah, that did hurt a little bit. But 1700 01:44:58,890 --> 01:45:04,110 I will continue to do My best to promote value for value and all 1701 01:45:04,110 --> 01:45:10,050 I really want is I want a media company to market existing shows 1702 01:45:10,050 --> 01:45:13,410 products services apps that are in our ecosystem. That's my 1703 01:45:13,410 --> 01:45:16,770 mission and I continue to be on it and the combo has been 1704 01:45:16,770 --> 01:45:17,220 opened. 1705 01:45:19,050 --> 01:45:22,800 Dave Jones: Nicholas besides 5822 to 22 through fountain says 1706 01:45:22,800 --> 01:45:25,650 great episode even three months later Oh heat This is in 1707 01:45:25,650 --> 01:45:32,670 reference. This is a boost for episode 150 Wow He says I'm 1708 01:45:32,670 --> 01:45:34,500 catching up greetings from Switzerland. 1709 01:45:34,740 --> 01:45:37,080 Adam Curry: Oh, all right. God thank you. 1710 01:45:38,820 --> 01:45:41,160 Dave Jones: At Nick's and it's 20 to 22 Road ducks through 1711 01:45:41,160 --> 01:45:44,130 found he says God is sitting up at the top with a lot of remote 1712 01:45:44,130 --> 01:45:53,280 items and as good as one laugh out loud. See, pit Pauling 1111 1713 01:45:53,280 --> 01:45:56,160 Central Richards the through pod verse he says Happy New Year. 1714 01:45:56,460 --> 01:46:00,870 Happy New Year's coming to do your two. Oh Nicholas B 58. 1715 01:46:00,870 --> 01:46:04,650 Again, coming back through fountain with 12121 This is 1716 01:46:04,650 --> 01:46:08,040 because I had to listen on my browser you get this boost. 1717 01:46:08,550 --> 01:46:16,140 Okay, nice. Karen. To see 20 to 22. Again these podcasts guru 1718 01:46:16,140 --> 01:46:21,090 says You guys are amazing, Padre. And the delimiter 1719 01:46:21,180 --> 01:46:28,110 chemistry blogger 32,000 sets through fountain he says how do 1720 01:46:28,110 --> 01:46:34,740 Jesus followers David Adam. I'd like to invite your audience to 1721 01:46:34,740 --> 01:46:39,930 follow me on Twitter or x.com My user name there is CSB, just 1722 01:46:39,930 --> 01:46:44,040 three letters. Any follower who follows me there for 33 days or 1723 01:46:44,040 --> 01:46:48,420 longer will get from me $1 paid in Bitcoin Satoshis just letting 1724 01:46:48,420 --> 01:46:52,140 me know 33 days after following me and I'll transfer via invoice 1725 01:46:52,170 --> 01:46:54,750 or lightning address yo CSB. No. 1726 01:46:54,840 --> 01:46:56,850 Adam Curry: All right, paying people to listen, that's 1727 01:46:56,850 --> 01:46:58,500 interesting. It's 1728 01:46:58,500 --> 01:47:02,250 Dave Jones: becoming an ETF. It's like a CSV ETS. Yeah. Yeah. 1729 01:47:03,420 --> 01:47:06,030 Adam Curry: Basically what he is we got some I was gonna say, 1730 01:47:06,510 --> 01:47:12,180 late to Lake live booster grams come in from Dred Scott 45678 1731 01:47:12,180 --> 01:47:16,770 Beautiful drip. Thank you appreciate that. Also a 4567 1732 01:47:16,770 --> 01:47:21,450 from Dred Scott. He says love you to Adam. And here's one for 1733 01:47:22,500 --> 01:47:26,790 here's one for Barry. Nathan G. 2222. Love to hear your thoughts 1734 01:47:26,790 --> 01:47:30,930 on a dedicated podcasting 2.0 services for HLS live streaming. 1735 01:47:34,260 --> 01:47:36,840 We didn't even talk about we didn't even talk about the about 1736 01:47:36,840 --> 01:47:42,300 live and lit stuff. In video. Barry want to get together? 1737 01:47:42,390 --> 01:47:45,360 Yeah. Yeah, I'd love to get a few more minutes. Sure. 1738 01:47:45,960 --> 01:47:50,550 Unknown: I do. So I have this, like backlog thing I used to do 1739 01:47:50,550 --> 01:47:53,130 lists. I don't know if you know that, that it's like a to do 1740 01:47:53,130 --> 01:47:56,100 thing. What's it called? To Do List to 1741 01:47:56,100 --> 01:47:58,530 Adam Curry: do it, I loved I love these types of things. I'm 1742 01:47:58,530 --> 01:48:00,210 gonna write that down. That's why I store 1743 01:48:00,210 --> 01:48:03,390 Unknown: my whole life in if it's not in there, I don't do 1744 01:48:03,390 --> 01:48:07,170 it. That's it's that simple. I forget it. So I have this list 1745 01:48:07,170 --> 01:48:13,350 of backlog in progress, bugs, and chips. And so on the 1746 01:48:13,350 --> 01:48:17,520 backlog, there is life item that is in there. And it is getting 1747 01:48:17,520 --> 01:48:22,110 close to going into in progress. So I really want to do that. 1748 01:48:22,110 --> 01:48:25,770 Because I also want to create a live show. That's basically 1749 01:48:25,800 --> 01:48:30,210 that's the motivation, basically, I really want to do 1750 01:48:30,210 --> 01:48:32,940 that. And I'm trying to think about what the best way of 1751 01:48:32,970 --> 01:48:38,280 actually doing that is because I don't want to have acids where 1752 01:48:38,280 --> 01:48:42,090 you say, Well, I have this life service that I use somewhere. 1753 01:48:42,660 --> 01:48:49,290 And then I put that in here in pod home into some the URL in a 1754 01:48:49,530 --> 01:48:50,400 in a box. And 1755 01:48:50,399 --> 01:48:53,219 Dave Jones: that's it. So the budget copy and pasting. Yeah, 1756 01:48:53,429 --> 01:48:54,659 yeah. So I want 1757 01:48:54,660 --> 01:48:58,350 Unknown: to create, indeed, natively within bolt home so 1758 01:48:58,350 --> 01:49:00,690 that you don't have to leave bolt home to actually do that. 1759 01:49:01,290 --> 01:49:06,900 And that means providing, indeed a streaming service, and server. 1760 01:49:07,710 --> 01:49:10,710 So I'm thinking about that, but it will come definitely and 1761 01:49:10,710 --> 01:49:12,990 definitely this year. Yes. Okay, cool. 1762 01:49:13,020 --> 01:49:15,810 Adam Curry: I mean, I think I think that's a big one, and a 1763 01:49:15,810 --> 01:49:19,980 big different differentiator to have the actual streaming 1764 01:49:19,980 --> 01:49:25,500 service. Yeah, available. I think that would be huge. And 1765 01:49:25,500 --> 01:49:28,050 there's so many cool things. I mean, the one thing that I'm 1766 01:49:28,050 --> 01:49:32,460 still looking for, just as just throwing it out there. So I have 1767 01:49:32,490 --> 01:49:34,710 I have my own stream. It's actually offline right now, I 1768 01:49:34,710 --> 01:49:39,330 think, but my own stream and I just put a whole playlist in 1769 01:49:39,330 --> 01:49:44,310 there of Bookstagram balls. I would love for there to be an 1770 01:49:44,310 --> 01:49:48,480 RSS feed that dynamically adapts whatever the Oh says, Oh, this 1771 01:49:48,480 --> 01:49:52,380 is the show. Click. Here's the value time splits for that show. 1772 01:49:52,560 --> 01:49:57,210 Though when people are listening to an to a stream, a live stream 1773 01:49:57,210 --> 01:50:03,150 that is archived that the alive value time splits will WebSocket 1774 01:50:03,150 --> 01:50:07,770 and make it work. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what I said. Yeah. 1775 01:50:07,800 --> 01:50:10,230 Radio. Yes. I'm sorry. It's called Radio. Right. 1776 01:50:11,729 --> 01:50:15,359 Unknown: That's the idea. No, but yeah, but yeah, that is, it 1777 01:50:15,359 --> 01:50:19,739 is a good idea. And I am thinking about it. And that will 1778 01:50:19,859 --> 01:50:23,339 this year it will be audio only? Yeah, sure. Yeah. 1779 01:50:24,180 --> 01:50:26,310 Dave Jones: i That's the best. That's the best way to develop 1780 01:50:26,310 --> 01:50:29,430 any features when you the one there when when you want it for 1781 01:50:29,430 --> 01:50:32,910 yourself, because they know build it? Well. Right. True. 1782 01:50:33,270 --> 01:50:33,780 True. 1783 01:50:34,770 --> 01:50:38,100 Unknown: And I know people want video because they want to be on 1784 01:50:38,100 --> 01:50:42,330 YouTube or something. I don't want to be on YouTube, because I 1785 01:50:42,330 --> 01:50:46,800 just get censored anyways. But but that's what I know is a 1786 01:50:46,800 --> 01:50:53,250 video or I do think video has a place, you know, at least for 1787 01:50:53,640 --> 01:50:59,070 discoverability. And the youngsters are all watching the 1788 01:50:59,070 --> 01:51:06,870 videos badly. So I will probably add video capabilities as in you 1789 01:51:06,870 --> 01:51:12,660 can just upload video, if you have it. And then I will extract 1790 01:51:12,660 --> 01:51:15,330 the audio from there as well process it and do all the fancy 1791 01:51:15,330 --> 01:51:23,190 things I do already with it. But then add the video in what's it 1792 01:51:23,190 --> 01:51:27,390 called alternate enclosure. So that's apps like because 1793 01:51:27,390 --> 01:51:30,360 apparently there are a bunch of apps that already do this. As we 1794 01:51:30,360 --> 01:51:35,460 saw with Ainsley event, yes. And do it well, so that people can 1795 01:51:35,460 --> 01:51:39,630 just, you know, choose what they want to look at. And it 1796 01:51:39,630 --> 01:51:42,870 shouldn't be that difficult. It just takes a lot of storage 1797 01:51:42,870 --> 01:51:47,760 power. And I need to figure out how to do that efficiently. IPFS 1798 01:51:47,760 --> 01:51:49,110 man, yeah, 1799 01:51:49,230 --> 01:51:51,870 Dave Jones: if long term storage power. That's a great, 1800 01:51:52,110 --> 01:51:54,570 Adam Curry: that's a good title. Actually, I was looking at big 1801 01:51:54,570 --> 01:51:58,770 blob of JSON, but I think storage power is better storage 1802 01:51:59,190 --> 01:52:03,000 way storage powers just as a storage power, 1803 01:52:03,330 --> 01:52:05,940 Dave Jones: though. There it is. You know, we get some monthlies 1804 01:52:05,970 --> 01:52:09,540 we I don't want to forget about him. Yes. Got Chris Callen. $5. 1805 01:52:09,540 --> 01:52:14,130 Terry Keller, $5. Mitch from pod verse $10. Thank you, 1806 01:52:14,160 --> 01:52:19,620 Christopher hyperbaric $10 Thank you, Chris. Lauren ball. $24.20. 1807 01:52:19,620 --> 01:52:23,880 Thank you, Lauren. Basil Phillips $25. Thank you basil 1808 01:52:23,880 --> 01:52:27,930 and pod verse $50. Thank you, Mitch and Kreon. Yes, 1809 01:52:27,929 --> 01:52:31,979 Adam Curry: thank you all very much. This is value for value. I 1810 01:52:31,979 --> 01:52:35,609 keep forgetting. It was it was a chat F who did our numbers for 1811 01:52:35,609 --> 01:52:36,809 the past three years. 1812 01:52:38,580 --> 01:52:41,730 Dave Jones: I can't Yeah, yeah. Can I want to talk about that? 1813 01:52:41,760 --> 01:52:44,850 I've got that on my list. List. It's just me and you next week. 1814 01:52:44,850 --> 01:52:46,140 Let's talk about that next week. Okay, 1815 01:52:46,140 --> 01:52:49,920 Adam Curry: good. Because that, definitely, but I love value for 1816 01:52:49,920 --> 01:52:54,210 value value for value was so the way to go. As long. What do we 1817 01:52:54,210 --> 01:52:57,120 have now? We have 5000 people listening to the show. 1818 01:52:58,320 --> 01:53:00,990 Dave Jones: Oh, in op three knows, like 8000? 1819 01:53:01,020 --> 01:53:03,900 Adam Curry: Oh, 8000. Okay, that's our total audience. 1820 01:53:04,499 --> 01:53:08,759 Dave Jones: 8617 in December. Nice. 1821 01:53:09,090 --> 01:53:12,600 Adam Curry: Nice. Okay, we'll talk about that next week. And 1822 01:53:12,750 --> 01:53:14,100 but in the meantime, 40% 1823 01:53:14,099 --> 01:53:15,209 Dave Jones: of them are listening right now I 1824 01:53:15,210 --> 01:53:19,860 Adam Curry: know. I know, it's that last 10% No one's listening 1825 01:53:19,860 --> 01:53:24,810 right now. Just true. Value for value, go to podcast index.org. 1826 01:53:24,810 --> 01:53:28,350 Down at the bottom of the page, there are two big red buttons. 1827 01:53:28,350 --> 01:53:32,490 One is to take you to tally coin, where still nobody is 1828 01:53:32,490 --> 01:53:37,020 sending us any on chain Bitcoin. Maybe because of the fees or 1829 01:53:37,020 --> 01:53:41,070 whatever. But I'm glad we did it. Not since the 27th of 1830 01:53:41,070 --> 01:53:43,980 October. The other one is for your Fiat fun coupons through 1831 01:53:43,980 --> 01:53:47,130 PayPal, we appreciate that as well as long as his value for 1832 01:53:47,130 --> 01:53:49,560 value. And of course, I don't even have to mention how many 1833 01:53:49,560 --> 01:53:53,280 people help out with time and treasure of a talent along with 1834 01:53:53,310 --> 01:53:56,160 the treasure. And what we really want you to do is go to podcast 1835 01:53:56,160 --> 01:54:00,930 apps.com Get yourself a modern podcast app and and join the 1836 01:54:00,930 --> 01:54:03,990 revolution because it really is a revolution. It's making a lot 1837 01:54:03,990 --> 01:54:06,060 of difference. I sound like Leo Laporte want to do that. But I 1838 01:54:06,060 --> 01:54:12,390 should stop. And thank you all very much for being here in the 1839 01:54:12,390 --> 01:54:15,720 boardroom. Barry. Brother, thank you so much for all you're 1840 01:54:15,720 --> 01:54:18,330 doing, man it was this was enjoyable conversation. I liked 1841 01:54:18,330 --> 01:54:18,780 it a lot. 1842 01:54:19,290 --> 01:54:22,380 Unknown: Yes, very much for for having me on. And just as a 1843 01:54:22,380 --> 01:54:25,440 final thing. I know nobody's listening anymore now. Yeah. So 1844 01:54:25,440 --> 01:54:30,060 it's the perfect time to say this. Yes. Just if you go to pot 1845 01:54:30,060 --> 01:54:34,920 homebuilt FM, and you sign up, use the promo code, go 1846 01:54:34,920 --> 01:54:37,260 podcasting, go podcasting 1847 01:54:38,820 --> 01:54:41,880 Adam Curry: for free. Okay, and what do you get for promo code 1848 01:54:41,880 --> 01:54:48,060 bond Gino? That's the question everyone wants to know. Now 1849 01:54:48,060 --> 01:54:52,410 please don't please. Dave, my brother, thank you so much. We 1850 01:54:52,410 --> 01:54:55,440 appreciate you man. Love you so much. Yeah, absolutely. Brother. 1851 01:54:55,440 --> 01:54:57,480 Have a good weekend. Okay, everybody in the boardroom. 1852 01:54:57,480 --> 01:54:59,970 Thank you for being here. We returned next Friday with an 1853 01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:03,420 other board meeting of podcasting 2.0 We'll see you 1854 01:55:03,420 --> 01:55:04,920 there. Take care everybody bye bye 1855 01:55:22,800 --> 01:55:26,730 Unknown: You have been listening to podcasting 2.0 to visit 1856 01:55:26,730 --> 01:55:30,120 podcast index.org For more information