Episode 156: Model Drift

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Adam Curry: podcasting 2.0 for
November 24 2023 Episode 156

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model drift hello everybody
welcome to podcasting 2.0 What

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is your weekly podcast? That's
not a podcast is actually a

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board meeting that's right board
meeting of podcasting 2.0 We are

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the only boardroom that meets
even on national holidays

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American national holidays that
is I'm Adam curry here in the

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heart of the Texas Hill Country
and in Alabama the man who will

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kill your rooster at the drop of
a hat say hello to my friend on

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the other end ladies and
gentlemen, Mr. Day Jones

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Dave Jones: this extra long
Thanksgiving moon yeah, I'm

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Adam Curry: I'm I'm all you
know, I'm trying to get over the

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over the turkey. sleeping
powder. What is it called?

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What's the stuff that in Turkey
that makes you sleep? The

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tryptophan tryptophan they go.
I'm on a trip to fan trip.

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Dave Jones: HT Rossa stuff
called H TP five

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Adam Curry: is it Christ? St. st
legal math. Yes, exactly. The

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route

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Dave Jones: the rooster thing
was quite interesting. You know?

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We were originally going to eat
chicken for Thanksgiving. Yes.

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Adam Curry: Because you have so
many you've killed you horrible

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murder.

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Dave Jones: I dropped three of
them this past week.

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Adam Curry: And you even have a
term I dropped three of mud

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dropped you rooster? Wow. You
are a Trad man right there.

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Dave Jones: So one of these
roosters Well, one of these

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roosters I'm convinced I was
possessed by a demon. Oh, do you

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know when when Jesus cast out
the pigs demons out of Legion

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into the pendant

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Adam Curry: of pigs and they ran
over the cliff? Yeah, yes, we

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Dave Jones: know that. We know
this is possible that demons can

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go into animals and I think that
that's what happened.

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Adam Curry: So where did it come
from? Where was it before he got

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into the rooster?

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Dave Jones: That's a good
question. I don't know. But

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whoever that guy is, he's
feeling a lot better now. I

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wonder if I can find what this
rooster looks like. It's like

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it's got this crazy. Like, the
low out of feathers on the top

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of his head looks like a pom
pom. Okay, so

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Adam Curry: they live with this.
Wonder

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Dave Jones: if I can fund this.
Okay, yeah, this this sort of

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looks like it. Unless you're
gonna send me habia this

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Adam Curry: I'm excited I'm very
excited to see your rooster show

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me your cock show title there we
go. Oh, wow, that's an awesome

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looking rooster. Wow, that is
crazy.

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Dave Jones: Here's another look
at that guy. This is more

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accurate to what

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Adam Curry: dozers look those
are funky man what a cute kind

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of cute dude in a way

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Dave Jones: no they're demonic
they're no good they're no good.

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So this goes where

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Adam Curry: do you get these
roosters from two people give

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them to you go by IMG go to the
rooster Mart

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Dave Jones: we we get to this
we've got every year the school

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that my wife used to teach they
raised chickens from eggs and so

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the we get like when they're
grown at the end of the year we

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get them we get their meat we
get we get the chicks oh and we

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just finished raising them here.
Yeah, we paste post this into

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the chat room so if I say is it
to this so this rooster like

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crazy looking thing it can't see
you see you know from the

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picture you see that? Yeah,
yeah, so it can't see so it runs

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around like a maniac and it's
it's got his chin lifted up so

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that it can so that he can see
up from underneath his feathers.

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So it looks like a psycho all
the time like in so I went out

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there to

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Adam Curry: killing him based
upon appearance that that's kind

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of racist. It's not right.

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Dave Jones: It's chicken racist.
Yes. It's we go out there to

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kill this thing. It's a maniac
and we all hate it. It like

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attacks

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Adam Curry: your feet.
Everyone's like dad go kill that

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thing.

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Dave Jones: Even my even my 13
year old she's like she's like

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God, you gotta kill that thing.
So I go out there to kill it.

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And I'm like, Okay, I'm gonna
kill three we got three. Now

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Adam Curry: when you go out
there to kill what do they do?

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They look they go like, oh, oh,
here he comes. Do They Know It?

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Do they know you're gonna you're
gonna offer you're gonna drop

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them.

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Dave Jones: They don't. They
don't know anything. They're

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stupid. And so they they're just
like Hey, cool, what are you

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doing?

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Adam Curry: Hey, what are you
doing with your hand on my neck?

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Man? Let's go. That's not cool,
bro.

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Dave Jones: That's a really
large knife you have what are

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you going to cut

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Adam Curry: his head off? I
thought you I thought he just

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turned his neck just snapped.

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Dave Jones: I use this. This is
the story. I used to had to use

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a different technique this time.
So the first time I killed him,

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I did the neck break. And it was
effective. And it was fine. And

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I mean, it's efficient. So I go.
And of course, the first one I

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grabbed is this guy. And so I
grabbed I got him. And you

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helped you sort of hold their
body under your, like, be kind

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of, I guess, like hold them like
a basketball under your arm. And

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then and then you make a ring
with your fingers. Like you're

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racist. And then you get

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Adam Curry: a white a white
nationalist? Is that where you

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live?

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Dave Jones: Okay, sounded like
your wedding. And then you pull

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the head forward. And then until
it won't go any further, and

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then you been the head back and
yank as hard as you can forward.

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So it's like, it makes it just
like a crunch. So I did that.

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Oh, God, it was fine. I mean,
like it heard the crunch. It

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kind of you know, wiggled like
they do when they die, and then

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hold it up. And its eyes are
closed, and it's just completely

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limp. I'm like, alright, well,
that's pretty easy. And

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Adam Curry: then he opened his
eyes again and looked at you and

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went, bro.

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Dave Jones: You shouldn't have

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Adam Curry: done that. That's no
good.

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Dave Jones: I'm like, okay,
sorry. I'm

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Adam Curry: trying. I'm trying
to find a sound effect. Not

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quite, not quite working on it.

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Dave Jones: So I'm going to
Skull this chicken to make the

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feathers come off easier. You
like dunk it in hot water. And

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that makes the feathers just
kind of release, you know? Go

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and I'm like, Okay, I'm just I'm
good. I'm good. I'm like, good

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time. So I I lay him down on our
deck in a turn to go into the

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house. And it starts kind of
flopping a little bit. Post

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death, you know? Yeah, sure. Up.
Yes. And I'm like, Okay, well,

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that's normal. I mean, they do
that. And then, but I keep

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looking at it. This thing all of
a sudden, pops up on both feet

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and takes off back into the
yard.

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Adam Curry: Oh, man, that must
have been so freaky. This thing

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was dead

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Dave Jones: dude. It was totally
dead. And it came back to life

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and then took off into the yard.
And so then that's been the next

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20 minutes trying to catch this
thing and it finally goes up

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under our deck. And our deck is
only like, eight inches off the

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ground. I can't get it. I can't
get any still

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Adam Curry: flopping around down
there. Oh, yeah.

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Dave Jones: I mean, he's, he's
like, half dead. Just kind of

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like, laying there with his head
all weird. And I'm like, Oh my

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gosh, he's gonna die. This is

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Adam Curry: just gonna know
this. We've lost all audiences

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at this point. Everyone's like,
this is disgusting. I can't

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believe these guys are horrible.
I can't advertise on this

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podcast.

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Dave Jones: No, you can't we're
not brand safe. Or suitable. So

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get but get this. This is a fun
story though. Because I'm like,

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Okay, fine. I'll come back to
this to this thing later. And

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he'll probably be dead in a
little while anyway. So I'll do

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the other two. So I spend the
next hour and a half trying to

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catch the stupid roosters and I
cannot do it man. It is like it

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is impossible to catch a rooster
that does not want to be caught

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in a large yard. Especially

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Adam Curry: when it's already
dead. This is very interesting.

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Yes, once

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Dave Jones: they die, then they
become very hard to catch. But

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so I get so I finally I'm like
you know what? To me and

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Marigold are both out there
trying to catch these things. We

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can't catch him. I'm like, we
can get our dog

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Adam Curry: out there. Banjo.
Oh, yeah, but he's been he'll

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rip it apart once he gets it.

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Dave Jones: That's the fun part.
Did did not do that. So Oh, but

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from us on my my dog has seats
about 107 pounds now. Yeah, he's

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a great pair knees. So pure
knees there. Guard guard dogs

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like farm garden? Yes. They
don't hurt the animals by their

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nature. So he got out there and
he's just kind of ignoring them.

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That's what he does. And then,
but as he sees me chasing these

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things, and he's like, oh,

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Adam Curry: oh, we're

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Dave Jones: supposed to do.
Okay. Okay, both. Yeah, exactly.

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So then he gets into it. He had
these things called in 30

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seconds.

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Adam Curry: Wow. He's a bird
dog. Who knew he's an undercover

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bird dog. Yeah. So

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Dave Jones: he runs one of them
down corners and just steps on

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his wing and just holds it and
looks at me. I'm like, good boy.

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Adam Curry: Good boy. Yeah. So

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Dave Jones: So I grabbed them.
So I had made the dino the

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killing cone. Do you know that?
Yes.

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Adam Curry: Yes. Well, you just
saw Pull it through the cone and

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the head goes off and you're
good to go. Yes, I've

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Dave Jones: seen rice. So I made
the cone. I made a cone at a

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sheet metal hanging on the tree.
You flip them upside down and

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drop their head down through the
bottom of the cone. And then you

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take a super sharp knife you
pull the neck in. Yep, yep. And

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then the blood drains out.
They're dead in like 30 seconds.

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Yeah. And it's very humane. It's
a great way to do the after

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Adam Curry: you chase them
around with a broken neck for

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half an hour. It's very humane
Dave.

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Dave Jones: It's beautiful. To
learn to learn learning.

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Adam Curry: Sounds very rookie
to me. I don't know. It doesn't

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sound like you're a pro.

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Dave Jones: I will admit I will
totally admit my rookie status

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on this. It's so I ended up with
so I banjo catches one. Dispatch

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in the cone. Good. Throw them in
the in the throw the chicken in

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the wheelbarrow. Next one
catches it. Cone. Wheelbarrow.

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Good to go. Like this. This is
like I'm an expert now. Yeah. So

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then we get a big ol stick and
get this thing out. Get the last

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one the psycho when we get him
out from under the deck. Banjo

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catches him. I take him I stick
him in the cone. And give him

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about I don't know about a
minute he stops stops moving.

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And then some neighbors come by
and start talking to them for a

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while. That's been about 20
minutes I go back to the cone.

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Started to pull him out with his
legs. And he starts kicking.

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He's still alive. Wow.

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Adam Curry: Well not live. It's
just like his nerves or

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whatever. Right? It's just
whatever keeps him

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Dave Jones: No, no, it is no
Adam. It is still alive. Okay,

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that that's

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Adam Curry: possessed. That's
possessed demon when he's

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looking at you snipped his head
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Dave Jones: No, no, the head was
still on it bled out from the

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front leg. And he's his eyes are
like kicking around looking at

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me like he's like.

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Adam Curry: Alright, now you
creeping me out now now. It's

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gone too far

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Dave Jones: to go full off of
the head. You know, like, like,

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full full full bore to finally
kill this thing. It would not

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die. It was it was motivated.
Like, you know, you're gonna say

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your eyes or window into the
soul. Yeah. You can't see this

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chicken's eyes. So clearly it
has no no

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Adam Curry: so clear. Yeah, it's
obvious. It was it was animated

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Dave Jones: and motivated by
spiritual forces. That we don't

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understand. That's how creepy it
was. It creeped me out so bad

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that I didn't even need it. We
just used it for for bone broth,

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man. Yeah, so you learn
something every Thanksgiving.

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Adam Curry: citizen says my
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head technique of dipping the
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wine in the oak barrel until it
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Dave Jones: At first, they made
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good thing. The next time we'll
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pictures though. The one of
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podcast industrial complex
mascot. There you go. The

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possessed chicken possessed.
Happy Thanksgiving. Happy

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Thanksgiving brother. So what
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chicken? Or did you have turkey?
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Dave Jones: No, we're, we went
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and ate and ate some ham over
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like, I got a heart out at one
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Adam Curry: Nice. Yeah. Okay,
well, we're what you'll do?

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international arms dealer. He

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hosted a dinner. It was Yeah, he
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to hear a little bit of that.
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center. You know, we all have $9
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and then it's either left right
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a.if. It's a dot and nothing
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to give $1 to the person's left
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right. And if it's center, you
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Dave Jones: It's kind of fun.
It's the arms dealer. So you did

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Adam Curry: So I was of course
hundies That's right baby. The

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arms dealer the

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Dave Jones: party The party
favors at this guy's like

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uranium depleted 1.6 millimeter
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Adam Curry: the joke of like
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here we got booze we need some
guns like okay brings out all

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kinds of guns like nah, it's all
right, bro.

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Dave Jones: decal on the tape
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Adam Curry: This one belongs to
Jesse James like okay, all

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right. Yeah, he had some he had
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stuff to talk about today. We
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talk about it. I'm just glad
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everybody. Even though it's a
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good that we stay. It's always
good. Adam Curry's number one

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rule of podcast, people always
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rule? So the number one rule is
you should always release your

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show on the same day at
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which I don't I'm not very good
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particularly with Mr. Graham
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in the middle for me. But that
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number one thing because people
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your release schedule, whether
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Dave Jones: And then we find
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Adam Curry: yeah, people are
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with my Friday. I'm like, go
out. You go to a bar. We can

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think of some things you can do.
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just hit me today as I was
listening to. Who's the guy from

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pod? page.com. He was on Brendan
Brendan. Yeah, it was nice guy.

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I use pod page for a couple of
my couple of my shows. And it's,

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it's great for someone like Adam
me. Like it just I don't have to

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think about anything I just
publish. And as long as I can

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get all the publishing right,
which is a challenge by itself,

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then it just updates on that
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okay, Michelle, step back for a
second work. So we have to full

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blown podcasting 2.0 native a
column native hosting companies

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are says blue.com and pod
home.fm. And then we have legacy

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companies in various degrees of
I'd hate to call a compliance

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but in various in In fact, I was
reminded, for some reason, I

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thought that Buzzsprout did
value blocks. And I was

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corrected on that. Like, wow, it
just it? I don't know if it just

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I thought their support. Yeah,
and they can't do splits or

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anything like that. So Oh, okay.
Yeah, I guess that is true.

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rss.com does support the value
block? UI? Yeah, in the UI. And

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of course, blueberry supports a
lot. And I would say of the of

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the legacy hosting companies.
Blueberry, has probably come

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along the furthest. But we've
seen this. So yeah, so then we

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have the 2.0 native, which I
really enjoy, because, you know,

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all of a sudden, music hosting
is a thing, boom, they've got

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music. But blueberry started
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service, which is really smart.
You know, it's kind of a an

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interim step that for for stuff
that and it has its downsides,

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but it's, you know, it's a it's
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how successful it is. But it's a
good kind of a, I guess, what do

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you call that a shim? In a way?
Is that kind of a shim?

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Dave Jones: Yeah, yeah. But a
different way. Yeah. Sort of

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like it a different layer in the
stack? Yeah. Now,

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Adam Curry: just so I
understand, when they use the

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2.0, what this podcast Mera
Kaam, takes your existing fee,

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turns it into a 2.0 compliant
fee, you can add stuff in there,

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including a value block at the
channel level, do they then

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change automatically your
podcast in the index to that

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feed, so that the 2.0 apps will
get the updated feed without

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having to, you know, put
redirects and stuff like that?

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Or we're in you know, or have
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index? Does that make sense?
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Dave Jones: Yeah, I think they
do a redirect. Oh, they

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Adam Curry: do. That's it?

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Dave Jones: I think. So. See,
because here, here's what

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happens. I'm not sure what to
get some clarification from Todd

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and Mike. Because what happens
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that if you let's, let's say
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you're going to switch the pin,
you're gonna use podcast mirror,

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as your new feed URL, so that
you can get 2.0 tags. If you if

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you do a 301 on birth, 302 on
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okay. Yes, mirror fee, which
redirects back to your to your

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lips and feet. But you know,
like it because the, because the

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the podcast mirror feed is
trying to get the Lipson feed so

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that it can do its so that so
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trying to hit the 301, every

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time it requests the Lipson feed
back, trying to get it back to

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itself, it can't ever get the
original feed. So you can't do I

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don't think you can do a three a
one or a 302 on the original

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Lipson feed in that scenario
because it messes up the mirror

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server This

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Adam Curry: does that means that
you don't want us to have a

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loop. But that means that
someone has to then have a

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duplicate feed in the index one
that is their old Lipson, and

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then one that is in this
example. And then what is their

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podcast mirror feed? Correct?

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Dave Jones: Well, they don't
have to have it, they would end

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up initially with a duplicate,
but they would that would should

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resolve once they change it in
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like their Apple podcast
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Adam Curry: Right. Right. But
but we don't have a dashboard

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for the index of them that they
will wind up ultimately with

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two. So that's a dupe. But it's
a dupe with one upgraded feed

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and one, quote unquote,
deprecated, free feed?

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Dave Jones: Yes.

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Adam Curry: So should should it
be something that we offer to a

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service like podcast mirror that
they can then talk to the API

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and say, Hey, deprecate this
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is that something that we should
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Dave Jones: This is, this is
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here's the issue, if we had a
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for the index was supposed to be
like, if we didn't care about

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what literally anybody else was
doing. We would be, we could

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afford to be super aggressive
with deduplication. Like, when I

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say super aggressive, I mean,
automated, like a fiend, you

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know. And so then we would take
every every redirect, and update

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it. Every point, essentially,
every pointer from an old feed

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to a new feed, we would follow
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feed URL. But we can't be that
aggressive because we also

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exists to service and maintain
compatibility with apps that do

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use Apple as their as their main
directory. So we we function as

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overcast, right,

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Adam Curry: but but having the
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Dave Jones: No, it won't. But we
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follow redirects, because
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redirect says go here. And Apple
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they have not changed it. So
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even though their their URL is
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Adam Curry: Okay, so then when
the fallback happens, they won't

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be able to find what they're
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Here's, here's why I'm bringing
this up. Maybe that'll be

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easier. I'm seeing as is
typical, when when there's a

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hunger for something. I'm seeing
these me pod fans. Sam, Seth,

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he's I'm not quite sure exactly
what he's doing. But he is. It

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looks like he's building a
podcast mirror type service.

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He's ingesting feeds. And then
he's, he has since his since pod

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fans, basically has every tag
everything that's ever existed

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in the in the universe, is what
he's saying to me. And we got a

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nice update email from today.
What he's saying, if that he

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will make that exportable. So
you can then so basically, it's

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a podcast mirror service. And I
just heard forgot his name

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again. Brandon, Brendan,
Brendan, Brendan and Brandon

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Dave Jones: I think it's Brendan
Brendan. I

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Adam Curry: think it's I just
heard Brendan, I think I heard

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him say that they are going
there. Also, I was considering

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or it's a done deal. He also
wants to offer podcast mirroring

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service, so that you can then
add those feeds, and then our ad

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add those items, and then output
that feed to somewhere else. It

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just seems like there's a
there's a desire to have 2.0

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features that is going much
faster than the hosting

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companies can or will do. What

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Dave Jones: features was he
talking about? Specifically? Ah,

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Adam Curry: I think it was like,
I don't really remember. But

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I'll have to go back and listen,
but it just I wrote it down.

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Because like, Oh, that's
interesting, because I'm seeing

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we have podcast mirror.com We
have pod fans, you know, Sam is

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either doing this already or
saying he's going to do it. And

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then whatever Brendon was doing,
it just seems like there's the

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people are moving fast and the
legacy hosting companies are not

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keeping up. Which is okay, but I
just want to identify it because

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people want this so badly,
apparently, whether it's just

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the apps or their customers
want, I'm not sure. But they're

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creating these, which not
really, I don't think it works

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and it's great, but it's not
really the right way to do it.

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Dave Jones: Well, this brings up
a larger discussion about just

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in general, how do we, how do we
know which podcasts go with

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which URLs like this? You know,
this, this is just the problem

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within podcasting. And it always
has been is like, you have to

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sort of independent like
identities for what the podcast

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is. So when people talk about a
podcast, they talk about, you

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know, what I want to go do is
listen to, I want to get

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listened to no agenda. And, but
that sort of so so there's this

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sort of existence of this thing
that's called no agenda, that's

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a podcast, but then that that
thing has to live somewhere and

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they don't know. It's like
talking about Twitter versus

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twitter.com. Like, or x versus
Twitter doc, like, is it you

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have x the service? And that's
where I want to go? But is it

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edx.com? Is it@twitter.com? What
like, what, right, so then

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there's this always there's been
this disconnect forever within

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podcasting? You know, the long
term solution that we came up

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with was the goo was these good
references. Where it's a born,

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00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:26,370
you know, what's the podcast is
born it fought these guys follow

437
00:26:26,370 --> 00:26:30,030
it everywhere. But then somebody
has to aggregate that somewhere,

438
00:26:30,360 --> 00:26:34,290
and we're doing it. But there's,
it's, you know, there's still

439
00:26:34,290 --> 00:26:40,650
this sort of, like gap between,
like, how do I take a podcast

440
00:26:40,650 --> 00:26:45,480
and then find out where the
podcast feed is? And that's not

441
00:26:45,870 --> 00:26:49,830
as straightforward of an answer
as it ought to be. Right? I

442
00:26:49,830 --> 00:26:54,660
mean, app, because because Apple
stuff is a mess. We get

443
00:26:54,660 --> 00:26:57,990
criticized for duplicates, and
rightly so. I mean, every every

444
00:26:57,990 --> 00:27:02,700
directory has the struggle to
some extent. But the I mean, if

445
00:27:02,700 --> 00:27:06,270
you look at Apple stuff, they're
they're an absolute mess, too. I

446
00:27:06,270 --> 00:27:11,280
mean, they've got so much just
bad data there have feed URLs

447
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:16,470
that yeah, that that don't exist
anymore. And stuff, then

448
00:27:16,530 --> 00:27:21,780
multiple podcast with the same
URL. This is just generally

449
00:27:21,780 --> 00:27:25,200
speaking, this is a complex
problem. Yeah. Yeah, that has

450
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,720
always existed in the
podcasting. And I'm not exactly

451
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:28,800
sure how to fix it.

452
00:27:29,460 --> 00:27:33,270
Adam Curry: But I guess maybe,
maybe what I should be saying is

453
00:27:33,300 --> 00:27:36,360
none of these mirroring things
are a good idea. I mean, get a

454
00:27:36,360 --> 00:27:40,650
native host or get your, if you
want a certain feature, I mean,

455
00:27:40,650 --> 00:27:43,740
I'm just seeing these apps
mature. So now I'm very excited

456
00:27:43,740 --> 00:27:47,190
about what I'm seeing. I don't
really do beta apps anymore. I

457
00:27:47,190 --> 00:27:51,690
just I don't have the time for
it. I can you get me something

458
00:27:51,690 --> 00:27:54,210
in production, I'd have pretty
much all of them. I'll use it.

459
00:27:54,210 --> 00:27:56,100
And I can say, Oh, I found
something. I know it'd be better

460
00:27:56,100 --> 00:28:01,200
if I do that in beta. But I'm
very excited to see what would

461
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:05,730
pod versus going to do with
music. I saw Oscar that, you

462
00:28:05,730 --> 00:28:09,330
know, he's, he's optimizing.
There's all kinds of old code

463
00:28:09,330 --> 00:28:12,690
and stuff. So hopefully, that'll
make stuff faster. I see what

464
00:28:12,690 --> 00:28:16,560
Jason is doing with podcast
guru. You know, this, there's a

465
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:18,930
lot, there's a lot of a lot of
development, a lot of

466
00:28:18,930 --> 00:28:21,960
streamlining a lot of cleaning
up and these apps are getting

467
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:26,310
better. They really are. They're
becoming good as apps.

468
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:30,030
Dave Jones: I'm gonna disagree a
little bit on the idea that you

469
00:28:30,420 --> 00:28:33,840
like not to use the mirror
services. I kind of think that

470
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:41,520
that's a cool idea. Because then
it sort of gets an indirection

471
00:28:41,670 --> 00:28:45,660
like you can change hosts 100
times and you never have to

472
00:28:45,660 --> 00:28:49,260
actually update any directories
right

473
00:28:49,260 --> 00:28:52,140
Adam Curry: until you know what
helped with the dangers until

474
00:28:52,140 --> 00:28:55,470
someone decides Well, I'm done
with this mirroring service. I'm

475
00:28:55,470 --> 00:28:57,810
tired of it. I'm pulling the
plug. And then you're then

476
00:28:57,810 --> 00:28:59,130
you're really up shits Creek?

477
00:29:00,150 --> 00:29:03,510
Dave Jones: That was Yeah, I
guess I would say, to mitigate

478
00:29:03,510 --> 00:29:07,020
against that you choose
carefully. Well, she's a company

479
00:29:07,020 --> 00:29:08,580
that's been around a long time
like

480
00:29:08,580 --> 00:29:10,170
Adam Curry: Google. I mean,
yeah, we all did that with

481
00:29:10,170 --> 00:29:13,230
Google. And we use what was
that? What's the service

482
00:29:13,230 --> 00:29:16,290
everyone? Bernard Feedburner.
Yeah, they bought Feedburner.

483
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:20,430
And then they kind of let it
die. And they resurrected it a

484
00:29:20,430 --> 00:29:25,680
bit, and it's scary. It's Andrew
Horowitz? Who would who wants to

485
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:29,850
be on 2.0 He can't bring himself
to find the time to figure out

486
00:29:29,850 --> 00:29:32,250
how to actually get off of
Feedburner.

487
00:29:33,630 --> 00:29:36,150
Dave Jones: So we have that, you
know, we bought this domain a

488
00:29:36,150 --> 00:29:42,360
long time ago called move your
podcast.com. Really? Yes. Yeah,

489
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:46,050
we own that. It was just a lark.
I just had a had an idea like

490
00:29:46,050 --> 00:29:49,530
maybe one day this would be
helpful. And I would love to

491
00:29:49,530 --> 00:29:54,480
have a service that it lives at
move your podcast.com where you

492
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:58,110
can say it's just a self service
dashboard where you can say

493
00:29:58,110 --> 00:30:03,600
look, I'm going to move from
Lipson to Buzzsprout and here's

494
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:06,030
my feed your here's my feed at
Lipson, here's my feet at

495
00:30:06,030 --> 00:30:11,370
Buzzsprout. And then all this
thing does is takes the GUID

496
00:30:12,150 --> 00:30:17,550
produces a produces an update
that other directories can

497
00:30:17,580 --> 00:30:21,900
ingest. Once it verifies that
the podcast has moved, which

498
00:30:21,900 --> 00:30:24,270
Adam Curry: we do with the email
address in your feed. Oh, I'm

499
00:30:24,270 --> 00:30:24,780
sorry.

500
00:30:26,130 --> 00:30:31,950
Dave Jones: No, not anymore. But
like just a basic a simple

501
00:30:31,950 --> 00:30:35,910
service that helps everybody
makes sense out of the chaos of

502
00:30:35,910 --> 00:30:41,010
moving in. I don't know it's it
was just

503
00:30:41,070 --> 00:30:43,590
Adam Curry: sounds like the one
race. That's why we still have

504
00:30:43,590 --> 00:30:46,170
the domain name and nothing's
happened with it's a great idea

505
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:51,000
when we can't even get a monitor
for our own API setup. Busy. Oh,

506
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:55,560
we got one. We do. Yeah, you
asked and it appeared.

507
00:30:56,100 --> 00:31:01,260
Dave Jones: Yep. That's how it
goes. Archie for from the who's

508
00:31:01,260 --> 00:31:05,700
the part time sysadmin for pod
verse and Mitch his crew. Oh,

509
00:31:05,700 --> 00:31:09,570
really? Oh, that's cool. Oh, he
had an he had some monitoring

510
00:31:09,570 --> 00:31:13,500
setup. Using uptime Kuma that?

511
00:31:13,620 --> 00:31:16,560
Adam Curry: Oh, right. Right.
Right. That's the I Am I think I

512
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:19,350
might start nine even I have
that thing. I've never used it.

513
00:31:19,380 --> 00:31:23,460
Dave Jones: Yeah, okay. Yeah, he
had a system set up for pod

514
00:31:23,460 --> 00:31:26,970
verse. And he's like, Hey, you
want me add a couple API calls

515
00:31:26,970 --> 00:31:30,180
to this just to check yours?
stuff at same time? Are they

516
00:31:30,180 --> 00:31:33,030
Yeah, sure. So he added it in
there and then set it up to

517
00:31:33,030 --> 00:31:37,350
email alert. If something goes
down. It's we're good to go. Oh,

518
00:31:37,350 --> 00:31:41,820
Adam Curry: excellent. Okay, I
take it back. I guess, maybe

519
00:31:41,820 --> 00:31:46,620
we're where we should be going.
As you know, there was a sam se

520
00:31:46,620 --> 00:31:52,500
suggested a badge, a badge, a
2.0 badge, and which, of course,

521
00:31:52,530 --> 00:31:55,200
always devolves into the well
that can't say certified because

522
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:59,040
there's no such thing, and bla
bla bla bla bla, I would like to

523
00:31:59,340 --> 00:32:05,640
recommend to, to the apps, you
know, you got to learn how to do

524
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:08,280
a little bit of marketing, you
know, making an app is one

525
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:12,690
thing. Your number one marketer
is the podcast hosts podcasters

526
00:32:12,690 --> 00:32:16,710
podcasters market your stuff, I
am very careful to always

527
00:32:16,950 --> 00:32:23,130
promote podcast apps.com I often
recommend a podcast app or no

528
00:32:23,130 --> 00:32:27,510
agenda. I know it works, because
Mitch is seeing the seeing the

529
00:32:27,990 --> 00:32:33,270
the increase. I've been doing it
recently with a podcast guru

530
00:32:33,270 --> 00:32:37,680
just kind of rotating thing. But
a podcast app guys, you know,

531
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,770
reach out to a podcaster. And,
you know, consider having a

532
00:32:40,770 --> 00:32:44,400
featured tab or something where,
you know, it's it doesn't have

533
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:49,530
to be a democracy, you're
allowed to do commerce. You

534
00:32:49,530 --> 00:32:53,730
know, I think you're I even told
an artist, I said, Hey, you

535
00:32:53,730 --> 00:32:56,700
know, if these apps are now
starting to do music, why don't

536
00:32:56,700 --> 00:32:59,610
you talk to some of these apps?
And say, Can I get a a featured

537
00:32:59,610 --> 00:33:04,050
position somewhere? And and what
kind of value would you like for

538
00:33:04,050 --> 00:33:08,310
that and exchange, maybe, maybe
a piece of of a value block. I

539
00:33:08,310 --> 00:33:15,060
mean, it's, there's this kind of
even Steven Honest Abe type vibe

540
00:33:15,060 --> 00:33:18,480
that that has existed in
podcasting, which, of course,

541
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,360
you know, the big guys don't do
that don't give a crap. You

542
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:24,810
know, Spotify will G will
highlight their own stuff. It's

543
00:33:24,810 --> 00:33:28,560
time to start thinking that way.
You know, it's like, Hey, if

544
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:30,960
you're going to, if you're going
to feature this podcast, have

545
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:36,030
that podcast, talk about your
app. That's the way that is the

546
00:33:36,030 --> 00:33:39,660
most powerful way to get people
to use new apps, not I don't

547
00:33:39,660 --> 00:33:42,240
think badges on websites have
that much of an impact. There's

548
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:45,660
already a lot of stuff going on
a lot of flashy, colori stuff.

549
00:33:46,110 --> 00:33:49,230
But when you're listening to a
podcast, and that host says,

550
00:33:49,230 --> 00:33:52,620
Hey, could you please use a
modern podcast app? And here's

551
00:33:52,620 --> 00:33:57,510
why. And the number one reason I
give is, well, I always say I

552
00:33:57,510 --> 00:34:00,570
always say in conjunction with
you can you get an alert when we

553
00:34:00,570 --> 00:34:06,000
go live, and the app will update
within 90 seconds, give me

554
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:09,720
publishing. So instead of
waiting on Apple or Spotify and

555
00:34:09,720 --> 00:34:12,690
waiting an hour and a half or
whatever, maybe doesn't update

556
00:34:12,690 --> 00:34:16,110
for a day things happen, you'll
get an immediate notification,

557
00:34:16,470 --> 00:34:19,170
that kind of stuff. And then
I'll say, you know, hey, these,

558
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:22,050
because we always have new album
art and said, If you want to see

559
00:34:22,050 --> 00:34:24,240
all of them, just get a modern
podcast app, look at the

560
00:34:24,240 --> 00:34:26,970
chapters and you'll see it
flipping by while you're driving

561
00:34:26,970 --> 00:34:31,590
in the car distracting you
continuously. These are great

562
00:34:31,590 --> 00:34:35,460
ways to get your, your your app
promoted and to promote 2.0.

563
00:34:36,929 --> 00:34:40,259
Dave Jones: So this is a pretty
interesting discussion, because

564
00:34:40,259 --> 00:34:45,509
if you think about what an app
would need in order in order to

565
00:34:45,509 --> 00:34:53,759
sort of jump on the scene, I
guess. The the things that come

566
00:34:53,759 --> 00:34:57,599
to mind are live. Yep, pod
paying.

567
00:34:59,159 --> 00:35:02,129
Adam Curry: Which we just call
92nd update, I mean, pod no one

568
00:35:02,159 --> 00:35:05,189
understand the term pod ping.
But yeah, quick update, right?

569
00:35:06,180 --> 00:35:08,730
Dave Jones: Like, if you jump on
board with those two things

570
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:09,270
without added

571
00:35:09,269 --> 00:35:12,119
Adam Curry: value for value, I
mean, that's it. Another big

572
00:35:12,119 --> 00:35:12,479
one.

573
00:35:13,230 --> 00:35:16,470
Dave Jones: Favorite yo, there's
like a few of these little

574
00:35:16,470 --> 00:35:19,350
things. And I think I think it
kind of starts with a live

575
00:35:19,350 --> 00:35:22,740
honestly. Because if you think
about the people who would the

576
00:35:22,740 --> 00:35:27,060
podcasters, that would do live,
they're usually really hardcore

577
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:32,160
and willing, they're hardcore to
technical. And they're willing

578
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:37,170
to what they want is for people
to listen to them live, if you

579
00:35:37,170 --> 00:35:40,950
have a live podcaster. Okay,
that's what I'm trying to think

580
00:35:40,950 --> 00:35:43,980
of. So you're looking for a
synergy between what you want as

581
00:35:43,980 --> 00:35:48,450
an app developer and what the
podcast or wants as a podcaster.

582
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:54,300
And if you can find where the
synergy is, like live is a

583
00:35:54,300 --> 00:35:58,170
perfect example. But as a
podcaster, who does a live

584
00:35:58,170 --> 00:36:03,330
stream. They really want people
to listen to them live, it's,

585
00:36:03,780 --> 00:36:07,860
it's important. I want it, we do
this live show. And I want lots

586
00:36:07,860 --> 00:36:11,220
of people listening because it
really, it gives a lot of energy

587
00:36:11,220 --> 00:36:13,320
to the show and makes you gives
you a lot of feedback.

588
00:36:14,010 --> 00:36:17,460
Adam Curry: But it's still
limited number of pod. I agree

589
00:36:17,460 --> 00:36:20,820
with you. I just I'm just saying
much. From a much broader

590
00:36:20,820 --> 00:36:25,080
perspective. Any podcast can
talk about some of the other

591
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:29,100
features some of the other
benefits of using a 2.0 app. And

592
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:33,299
Dave Jones: Oscar with fountain
he found his effect, he

593
00:36:33,300 --> 00:36:36,330
Adam Curry: totally found it.
Yep, exactly. He found he found

594
00:36:36,330 --> 00:36:41,070
his his energy. Initially,
that's what we see the thing is,

595
00:36:41,220 --> 00:36:46,260
pod verse started initially, I
think, because it was the wasn't

596
00:36:46,260 --> 00:36:50,640
that Eclipse was not what, what
what Mitch wanted initially was,

597
00:36:50,670 --> 00:36:54,360
you know, he wanted an app that
did better clipping. Yes, not

598
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:59,760
mistaken. So that's great. But
you need to get the podcasters

599
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:03,180
talking about your app. That's,
that's the thing. That's how we

600
00:37:03,180 --> 00:37:07,320
move this forward. podcasters
have to be telling their

601
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:12,000
audiences tried to and we're at
a point now, where there's

602
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:16,710
enough robustness in these apps
that people aren't disappointed,

603
00:37:16,980 --> 00:37:18,870
because the in the beginning it
was definitely like, well, you

604
00:37:18,870 --> 00:37:23,490
know, I miss my my time three
times. Speed I miss you know,

605
00:37:23,490 --> 00:37:26,700
this, I missed that. There's
still people who miss, you know,

606
00:37:26,700 --> 00:37:29,160
certain or they won't leave an
app, you some people won't even

607
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:32,550
app because it does your volume
boost, you know, stuff like

608
00:37:32,550 --> 00:37:35,760
that. It's very timers, name
timers, yes, stuff like that.

609
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:38,340
It's really important. Now,
they're usually the most vocal,

610
00:37:38,340 --> 00:37:41,400
I don't think they're, you know,
that all people think that way.

611
00:37:41,430 --> 00:37:44,190
Most people are just like, I'm
fine with my Apple app, it

612
00:37:44,220 --> 00:37:48,900
works. So then find those, find
those things that your app is

613
00:37:48,900 --> 00:37:53,340
particularly good at. And so pod
verse works great with, with

614
00:37:53,370 --> 00:37:56,700
alerts, and, and it's updated
very quickly through the pod

615
00:37:56,700 --> 00:38:00,480
ping mechanism. But then reach
out to podcast hosts reach out

616
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:04,410
to the podcasters and say, hey,
I'll give you a feature. If you

617
00:38:04,410 --> 00:38:07,260
mentioned my app. I mean, this
is the kind of stuff we need to

618
00:38:07,260 --> 00:38:08,130
be thinking about.

619
00:38:08,969 --> 00:38:12,329
Dave Jones: Yet build to if
you're when you're a developer

620
00:38:12,359 --> 00:38:18,749
build to a build to what
somebody wants. Find out what

621
00:38:18,779 --> 00:38:24,209
your what if your podcast app,
find out what find a set of

622
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:30,839
podcasts podcasters that want a
certain thing, build your app

623
00:38:31,079 --> 00:38:36,599
feature to the thing that they
are wanting. And then you have a

624
00:38:36,599 --> 00:38:42,389
built in advertiser you have
built in advertising. Yeah. Is

625
00:38:42,389 --> 00:38:46,529
the same way with pod with
podcasts. And I think it's

626
00:38:46,529 --> 00:38:50,399
easier to do that than it is to
do it with podcast listeners.

627
00:38:50,789 --> 00:38:53,789
Because most because of the like
you said the most the podcast

628
00:38:53,789 --> 00:38:56,669
listeners, the ones that are
really vocal about certain

629
00:38:56,669 --> 00:39:01,439
features. They're usually not
representative of the masses.

630
00:39:02,099 --> 00:39:03,359
Their peers will

631
00:39:03,359 --> 00:39:07,169
Adam Curry: people will go to
the end of the earth to do

632
00:39:07,169 --> 00:39:10,139
something their pot their
favorite podcast, or ask them to

633
00:39:10,139 --> 00:39:13,439
do they buy stupid products they
don't even need because the

634
00:39:13,439 --> 00:39:18,839
podcaster says, hey, buy this
product. Here's my code. So when

635
00:39:18,839 --> 00:39:22,799
someone says try out this app, I
really like it. And I like it

636
00:39:22,799 --> 00:39:25,589
because hey, I'm featured even
if it's just that I'm featured

637
00:39:25,589 --> 00:39:31,589
this month, tell a friend etc.
The podcast the podcaster has

638
00:39:31,589 --> 00:39:35,099
the power and apps have always
tried to go to the listener.

639
00:39:36,209 --> 00:39:38,459
Yeah, I was like well, those are
my users. Yeah, they're either

640
00:39:38,459 --> 00:39:41,549
you use they're your users, but
they're really only complainers.

641
00:39:42,329 --> 00:39:47,219
the only the only gonna tell you
it sucks. That's that's the main

642
00:39:47,249 --> 00:39:53,309
reason you get but asking the
podcasters themselves and do a

643
00:39:53,309 --> 00:39:57,209
business deal. You know, it can
be it doesn't know money has to

644
00:39:57,209 --> 00:40:01,349
change hands, but it can be a
great way A to give the

645
00:40:01,349 --> 00:40:05,579
podcaster a benefit of being
featured, or whatever, whatever

646
00:40:05,579 --> 00:40:06,089
it is.

647
00:40:07,949 --> 00:40:12,059
Dave Jones: Yeah, I think that's
a, I think that's a great point

648
00:40:12,059 --> 00:40:18,779
because you just have to find
you have to find some. I don't

649
00:40:18,779 --> 00:40:22,289
know. You have to you have to
put a rock in somebody's shoe.

650
00:40:22,589 --> 00:40:28,649
Yes, yes, no. And the way you do
that is, is you find your you

651
00:40:28,649 --> 00:40:33,929
find your gap, you find that
gap, and you meet a need. And

652
00:40:33,929 --> 00:40:37,559
then, and also, when you're
meeting a need, that's been this

653
00:40:37,559 --> 00:40:41,999
clear. And then sort of that you
can see, it's easier to build,

654
00:40:42,029 --> 00:40:45,509
build a feature. If you just
build a feature, sort of like in

655
00:40:45,509 --> 00:40:51,719
a, in a clean room for where you
don't have an actual live real

656
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:54,389
world example of the thing
you're trying to solve.

657
00:40:55,469 --> 00:41:00,119
Sometimes it gets muddy, and
you're not actually solving it

658
00:41:00,119 --> 00:41:05,429
in the way that you don't have
enough feedback. You just don't

659
00:41:05,489 --> 00:41:08,039
have enough feedback from the
from the people you're trying to

660
00:41:08,039 --> 00:41:10,619
solve the problem for because
they're not there's not any.

661
00:41:11,129 --> 00:41:13,979
Yeah, exactly. You're just
writing to a spec. You're not

662
00:41:13,979 --> 00:41:15,779
actually writing to solve a
problem. Yes.

663
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:20,310
Adam Curry: It was like this.
This Ainsley Costello just loud

664
00:41:20,310 --> 00:41:22,710
concert in Minneapolis that's
coming up that's going to be

665
00:41:22,710 --> 00:41:27,840
lit, which is very much which
will be built on the work that I

666
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:32,340
think certainly Mitch did for
the pod con Mexico. They're

667
00:41:32,340 --> 00:41:35,160
going to do it lit. Looks like
that's going to happen. And

668
00:41:35,190 --> 00:41:38,100
everyone now oh, wait a minute.
So that's actually podcasting.

669
00:41:38,100 --> 00:41:40,710
2.0 that's sending those
Satoshis Oh, okay. Yeah, we

670
00:41:40,710 --> 00:41:43,740
should probably talk to those
guys. So finally, Dobby Dawson,

671
00:41:43,740 --> 00:41:48,030
I think is doing the RSS feed.
And I'm not sure it looks like

672
00:41:48,030 --> 00:41:53,280
it's all gonna gonna work out.
And so that'll be a lit live

673
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:57,660
show with streaming value for
value. Believe me, you what you

674
00:41:57,660 --> 00:42:01,290
want is you want Ainsley
Costello out there promoting the

675
00:42:01,290 --> 00:42:06,810
apps that will work. Yes. And so
reach out. It's it's not hard to

676
00:42:06,810 --> 00:42:10,410
find her manager. That's not
hard to find. And get in touch

677
00:42:10,410 --> 00:42:13,800
with Julie and say, Hey, we're
going to be featuring this.

678
00:42:13,950 --> 00:42:18,720
We're going to be showing it
live. Please have Ainsley and

679
00:42:18,720 --> 00:42:22,140
they also need to do their work
and not be just like, oh, yeah,

680
00:42:22,140 --> 00:42:25,440
it's gonna be a screaming No,
the here's the podcast apps that

681
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:28,800
is going to is guaranteed going
to work on because those apps

682
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:30,390
are dedicated to making it work.

683
00:42:31,469 --> 00:42:36,479
Dave Jones: Yeah, you can see
the the apps and the hosting

684
00:42:36,479 --> 00:42:40,259
companies that have a sort of a
real purpose that they're trying

685
00:42:40,259 --> 00:42:45,479
to solve, because they have they
have a real clear path forward

686
00:42:45,479 --> 00:42:48,749
in front of them. Yes, they do
identify a thing, and then they

687
00:42:48,779 --> 00:42:52,229
then they write, they, they
identify a thing, then they

688
00:42:52,229 --> 00:42:53,939
build something that solves that
problem.

689
00:42:53,969 --> 00:42:57,089
Adam Curry: Yes. And I'm
excited. I'm excited to see even

690
00:42:57,089 --> 00:43:01,319
with these with these native 2.0
and I'm gonna add blueberry in

691
00:43:01,319 --> 00:43:05,189
there with the native 2.0
hosting companies. You know,

692
00:43:05,219 --> 00:43:08,219
they get it they're built,
they're building something new

693
00:43:08,219 --> 00:43:12,389
and this is where the the
artists are going to go. And,

694
00:43:12,629 --> 00:43:15,899
and I'm telling you, wave Lake
has got to fix their booster

695
00:43:15,899 --> 00:43:21,869
gram stuff. Because people it
may be easy, but people hear

696
00:43:21,869 --> 00:43:24,509
about stuff and like wow, how
come I'm not seeing booster

697
00:43:24,509 --> 00:43:27,059
grams? How come I can't do this?
How come I can't do that.

698
00:43:27,690 --> 00:43:29,880
Dave Jones: So when you say fix
the bridge grim stuff, you're I

699
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:32,970
think you're talking about the
fact that the wave like artists

700
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:34,470
can't see their messages.

701
00:43:34,500 --> 00:43:37,500
Adam Curry: Well, interestingly
enough, I found out that if you

702
00:43:37,500 --> 00:43:42,810
go to the artists page, you will
see booster grams coming through

703
00:43:42,810 --> 00:43:48,660
as comments identified as key
send zero sets. So the boosted

704
00:43:48,660 --> 00:43:52,890
gram comes through. Oh, yeah.
Yeah, that mean? Well, that

705
00:43:52,890 --> 00:43:55,710
means is that means that they're
showing the booster gram as a

706
00:43:55,710 --> 00:43:59,460
comment so that they've made the
connection. And so it's a it's a

707
00:43:59,460 --> 00:44:03,480
public comment, which is great.
But then it shows zero SATs and

708
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:07,110
literally says zero SATs. And it
says from ki Sen, where it could

709
00:44:07,110 --> 00:44:12,180
say, this is the podcast and I'm
not going to accuse anything but

710
00:44:12,450 --> 00:44:16,410
being it looks like obfuscation,
say why don't you just add the

711
00:44:16,410 --> 00:44:19,770
field that came from this
podcast link or this episode

712
00:44:19,770 --> 00:44:24,660
link? And here's the number of
sets. But it doesn't seem like

713
00:44:24,660 --> 00:44:27,420
that's a lot of extra work if
you're already bringing through

714
00:44:27,420 --> 00:44:28,290
the booster gram.

715
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:33,690
Dave Jones: So it's odd to me
that it wouldn't show the total

716
00:44:33,690 --> 00:44:35,340
that came like

717
00:44:35,369 --> 00:44:38,819
Adam Curry: because they've
chosen not to. I think that

718
00:44:38,819 --> 00:44:42,869
that's that seems like a choice.
And it looks dumb

719
00:44:42,929 --> 00:44:44,639
Dave Jones: or a bug or not

720
00:44:44,639 --> 00:44:46,829
Adam Curry: because the okay
could be a bug. But you're

721
00:44:46,829 --> 00:44:50,309
already pointing in there. From
Keith and you're already taking

722
00:44:50,309 --> 00:44:55,529
the the booster Graham TLV. Why
not just put in there it came. I

723
00:44:55,529 --> 00:45:00,509
mean, are we so horrified to say
that it comes from a podcast is

724
00:45:00,569 --> 00:45:05,909
or is it just no time, I don't
understand it. And that's half

725
00:45:05,909 --> 00:45:09,629
the fun, half the. So now I'm on
booster Grand Ball saying,

726
00:45:09,839 --> 00:45:14,219
Please, in your message, put the
amount of Satoshis you sent and

727
00:45:14,399 --> 00:45:17,279
tell him where you were where
this was from that this was from

728
00:45:17,279 --> 00:45:21,029
booster gram ball episode 15. I
shouldn't have to do that

729
00:45:22,650 --> 00:45:27,240
Dave Jones: as odd if Michael or
Sam, let, shoot, if you don't

730
00:45:27,240 --> 00:45:30,060
mind, shoot me a message tell me
what that's about. Because if

731
00:45:30,060 --> 00:45:35,040
there's something because I can
think you could say that, well,

732
00:45:35,070 --> 00:45:38,970
I don't trust the SAT total
that's in the TLV because that's

733
00:45:39,810 --> 00:45:43,380
our because that can be
manipulated. But then the

734
00:45:43,380 --> 00:45:48,420
invoice itself should be
settled. And that is not, that's

735
00:45:48,420 --> 00:45:50,100
not manipulatable

736
00:45:51,270 --> 00:45:54,270
Adam Curry: another another big
thing is the actual on this.

737
00:45:54,300 --> 00:45:59,160
This is very clear even value
for value dot info. A big part

738
00:45:59,190 --> 00:46:03,600
of value for value is the
numerology of it. So when

739
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:11,070
sending you 333 777-719-4869 69
I mean it can go on and on. It's

740
00:46:11,070 --> 00:46:15,420
a big part of the fun is, is
you're robbing people of joy

741
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:23,070
killing their roosters, I can
understand that they don't want

742
00:46:23,070 --> 00:46:26,550
to confuse people because they
take their 10% but I mean, how

743
00:46:26,550 --> 00:46:30,330
confusing is it? It's like okay,
I see what caveman I just have

744
00:46:30,330 --> 00:46:33,270
to subtract 10% in my head.
That's fine. I don't think

745
00:46:33,270 --> 00:46:37,020
people be mad about that. But
you know when I when I hear

746
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:42,030
that, Michael the guy from First
Avenue Avenue one First Avenue,

747
00:46:42,030 --> 00:46:48,180
I think the venue in in
Minneapolis. You know, he was

748
00:46:48,180 --> 00:46:53,040
used at noster Asia Nastasya
saying, yeah, now I'm working

749
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:55,110
with Adam curry. And those guys,
we're gonna get the live stream

750
00:46:55,110 --> 00:46:57,690
up. And then I see the using zap
streams with has which has

751
00:46:57,690 --> 00:47:01,830
nothing to do with what we're
talking about. And I see big

752
00:47:01,830 --> 00:47:07,320
shows getting, you know, 200
SATs, streaming with two people

753
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:10,770
watching and like not well knew
maybe you want to, and he just

754
00:47:10,770 --> 00:47:14,040
didn't know. People don't know
what they don't know. They don't

755
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:17,520
know. And when and when they're
on when we're onboarding people

756
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:20,760
that don't know that hey,
there's this is how the system

757
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:25,200
is working. Which should be
everybody should be happy about

758
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:27,300
it. Just feels weird.

759
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:34,320
Dave Jones: It, it feels weird.
to It feels weird to show zero.

760
00:47:35,100 --> 00:47:38,340
To show zero like yeah, just
don't show it at all. I mean,

761
00:47:38,340 --> 00:47:39,960
just say that. It's a comment,
like

762
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:46,890
Adam Curry: I don't know. It's
weird. It's weird. Let me see if

763
00:47:46,890 --> 00:47:50,250
I can get so Joe Martin. Thank
you. And I know Joe Martin, who?

764
00:47:51,150 --> 00:47:54,690
People just don't know, he did
this hour long interview and

765
00:47:54,930 --> 00:47:59,190
podcasting wasn't mentioned
once. And I think that he's the

766
00:47:59,220 --> 00:48:02,580
he's the first song we played
and sent him hundreds of 1000s

767
00:48:02,580 --> 00:48:07,620
of SATs or I should say Dred
Scott did. And like, does he

768
00:48:07,620 --> 00:48:09,360
just not know where it's coming
from?

769
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:14,010
Dave Jones: I don't know. I'm

770
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:17,610
Adam Curry: here via Kison pod.
This is pod pod fans even worse

771
00:48:17,610 --> 00:48:20,340
pod fans payment doesn't even
have a name.

772
00:48:22,050 --> 00:48:25,680
Dave Jones: And now that's not
fans payment that's that's is

773
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:27,690
that a booster game? Or is that
just a stream?

774
00:48:27,720 --> 00:48:31,800
Adam Curry: Who knows? Here via
key send via key send via it's

775
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:35,460
like this? No, no. Wow, that
that must be a stream somehow.

776
00:48:35,460 --> 00:48:38,850
That's probably Sam sending
streams as boosts who knows.

777
00:48:40,980 --> 00:48:43,650
Like very collapsing. It's very
cool. Okay, so

778
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:50,880
Dave Jones: So zaps show via
zap. And I guess. Better and I

779
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:56,250
guess podcast boosts would say
via key send.

780
00:48:56,579 --> 00:49:00,209
Adam Curry: Actually looks like
they've dropped the zero SATs

781
00:49:00,209 --> 00:49:00,899
thing now.

782
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:02,490
Dave Jones: Oh, okay.

783
00:49:02,579 --> 00:49:03,839
Adam Curry: I guess they've
dropped that.

784
00:49:04,500 --> 00:49:07,980
Dave Jones: Let's see unlucky
that via zap via zap via key

785
00:49:07,980 --> 00:49:13,140
send. Okay, so that's the that's
just telling you this Tony where

786
00:49:13,140 --> 00:49:15,090
it came from, but it's not
showing you the app?

787
00:49:15,540 --> 00:49:18,660
Adam Curry: Or the app or the
show or the episode?

788
00:49:19,889 --> 00:49:22,829
Dave Jones: Yeah. So that I
mean, that's that's in there. I

789
00:49:22,829 --> 00:49:27,209
would say that. A good thing to
do. These guys is for Michael

790
00:49:27,209 --> 00:49:32,549
and Sam is to pull that other to
have me show. I don't know. I

791
00:49:32,549 --> 00:49:36,299
don't know how nostrils zapping
works. I don't understand. I

792
00:49:36,299 --> 00:49:41,669
guess I think there would be a
disconnect. Maybe you can't tell

793
00:49:42,749 --> 00:49:46,469
the originating app. So if
you're in Dominus in use app,

794
00:49:46,979 --> 00:49:51,599
this app is actually coming from
your like for your wallet or

795
00:49:51,749 --> 00:49:54,179
your wallet like that. Yeah,
kicks you over there to actually

796
00:49:54,179 --> 00:49:57,479
do things and maybe maybe you
lose that information but at the

797
00:49:57,479 --> 00:49:58,859
TLV and Scott

798
00:49:58,859 --> 00:50:00,869
Adam Curry: so much busy on
record. Yeah, we shouldn't take

799
00:50:00,869 --> 00:50:03,239
it if you pull out the booster
Graham then you're seeing you're

800
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:05,189
seeing the key send record.
Yeah,

801
00:50:05,190 --> 00:50:06,990
Dave Jones: I would love for
that. I would love to see that

802
00:50:06,990 --> 00:50:10,170
things say instead of via keys
instead of via pod verse yeah by

803
00:50:10,170 --> 00:50:12,120
podcast fountain.

804
00:50:12,299 --> 00:50:17,639
Adam Curry: How about the
podcast? Episode that is from

805
00:50:17,939 --> 00:50:21,539
that mean that would really
help. That mean I understand you

806
00:50:21,539 --> 00:50:23,699
would like the app I'd like
someone say oh, that's from

807
00:50:23,699 --> 00:50:32,039
booster Rambo. What is that? Oh,
what is that thing? is weird.

808
00:50:32,519 --> 00:50:33,059
This weird?

809
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:39,870
Dave Jones: Is a pirate radio.
Just looking through here and

810
00:50:39,870 --> 00:50:40,350
see. Yeah,

811
00:50:40,380 --> 00:50:43,140
Adam Curry: it hasn't looked
something strange. Yeah, yeah,

812
00:50:43,140 --> 00:50:46,500
something's changed. I don't
know. I don't see the so maybe

813
00:50:46,500 --> 00:50:47,850
they're working on it's possible

814
00:50:48,269 --> 00:50:51,629
Dave Jones: by case and by case
of as it's so much. Yeah, the

815
00:50:51,629 --> 00:50:53,369
pod fans payment pod fans
payment thought

816
00:50:54,599 --> 00:50:55,529
Adam Curry: was pretty funny.

817
00:50:56,460 --> 00:51:00,210
Dave Jones: That, that that's
from 1116. So that's recent.

818
00:51:00,210 --> 00:51:03,120
Yeah. That's fairly recent. So
that's got it. I bet you that's

819
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:05,070
their streaming. Payment?

820
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:09,690
Adam Curry: I don't know. I
don't know. I don't know.

821
00:51:10,020 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaking

822
00:51:10,710 --> 00:51:17,640
Dave Jones: speaking of this
sort of native podcasting 2.0

823
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:25,080
hosting related issues. I've got
the first pod roll product.

824
00:51:25,740 --> 00:51:31,080
Ingestion product. Yeah. Ready
to Roll? Yes. The if you go to,

825
00:51:31,529 --> 00:51:32,159
Adam Curry: here we go.

826
00:51:34,230 --> 00:51:39,150
Dave Jones: https colon slash
slash? Public dot podcast.

827
00:51:39,150 --> 00:51:44,880
index.org. Okay. Slash
recommendations dot JSON. Hold

828
00:51:44,910 --> 00:51:47,220
Adam Curry: on a second. Yes.
Hold on.

829
00:51:49,650 --> 00:51:51,000
Dave Jones: Holding. Okay, I'm
holding

830
00:51:51,030 --> 00:52:00,690
Adam Curry: what public? Public
dot podcast index.org/public dod

831
00:52:00,690 --> 00:52:04,920
Dave Jones: podcast
index.org/recommendations.

832
00:52:06,030 --> 00:52:07,200
Adam Curry: Recommendations.

833
00:52:08,250 --> 00:52:09,090
Dave Jones: Data JSON.

834
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:10,620
Adam Curry: dot JSON.

835
00:52:11,069 --> 00:52:12,689
Dave Jones: Okay, Justin. Okay.
Yes.

836
00:52:12,720 --> 00:52:15,570
Adam Curry: What do I get? Do I
get a big JSON file? Let's see.

837
00:52:16,350 --> 00:52:21,060
It's crunching Oh, the oh, it
has popularity score. What is

838
00:52:21,060 --> 00:52:21,810
this? Yes.

839
00:52:25,980 --> 00:52:29,010
Dave Jones: Through the through
the, through the mix here

840
00:52:29,070 --> 00:52:32,400
Adam Curry: was quite large.
This, this five very large, yes.

841
00:52:33,599 --> 00:52:40,169
Dave Jones: This is a list of
all of the shows that have

842
00:52:40,199 --> 00:52:46,109
appeared in a pod roll. So if
somebody put their pod roll, if

843
00:52:46,109 --> 00:52:49,829
somebody put a pod roll in their
feed, we're aggregating all

844
00:52:49,829 --> 00:52:54,599
that. And then sorting it in
descending order by popularity,

845
00:52:54,599 --> 00:52:56,249
which that popularity number

846
00:52:56,580 --> 00:53:00,030
Adam Curry: is number of times
that appears in a pod roll. Yes,

847
00:53:00,030 --> 00:53:00,150
the

848
00:53:00,150 --> 00:53:03,240
Dave Jones: number of pod rolls
it has appeared in Oh,

849
00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:07,679
Adam Curry: that's a good way to
game the system. It is it is so

850
00:53:07,679 --> 00:53:08,249
like that.

851
00:53:09,300 --> 00:53:11,040
Dave Jones: Let me run down the
properties here. So you get

852
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:13,470
popularity, which is what we
just described, you have the

853
00:53:13,470 --> 00:53:19,230
feed ID, which is this podcast
index feed ID of this feed that

854
00:53:19,230 --> 00:53:25,320
was recommended. You've got the
GU ID of the feed, which is

855
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:31,470
recommended. You've got the
title of that feed, the URL, the

856
00:53:31,470 --> 00:53:37,650
feed URL, you've got the artwork
or the album or the seed? Did

857
00:53:37,650 --> 00:53:41,760
you have source feed ID in
source Feed URL? So that's the

858
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:45,570
podcast index ID, where it came
from that had the pod role in

859
00:53:45,570 --> 00:53:49,860
it. Yeah. And then the source
and then the URL of that feed

860
00:53:49,860 --> 00:53:53,670
which was the source of this
recommendation. Then you have

861
00:53:53,670 --> 00:53:59,700
recommended host and recommender
host so interesting. Recommended

862
00:53:59,700 --> 00:54:08,670
host is the whole the the top
level domain or it's not TLD

863
00:54:08,670 --> 00:54:17,100
it's the domain of the hosting
platform where this recommended

864
00:54:17,100 --> 00:54:17,490
feed

865
00:54:17,519 --> 00:54:21,269
Adam Curry: lives and then the
recommender host is the the host

866
00:54:21,269 --> 00:54:23,579
that has the feed that has the
recommendation I would say

867
00:54:23,579 --> 00:54:25,679
popularity is probably a
misnomer.

868
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:29,520
Dave Jones: What was what should
that be like hits or something?

869
00:54:30,630 --> 00:54:34,140
Adam Curry: instances I mean it
the popularity doesn't mean that

870
00:54:34,140 --> 00:54:37,980
oh, this is a popular show. This
means that someone just put this

871
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:43,260
in lots of pod rolls which
clearly made me appearances.

872
00:54:43,260 --> 00:54:47,010
Yeah, cuz I mean I have four
feeds, and I could put it in all

873
00:54:47,010 --> 00:54:50,730
of my feeds and then I'd have
for right doesn't make it more

874
00:54:50,730 --> 00:54:53,010
popular just makes me a douche.

875
00:54:57,239 --> 00:55:02,759
Dave Jones: hard on yourself.
Yep. The reason that I put

876
00:55:03,030 --> 00:55:04,590
Adam Curry: Go ahead, no, no,
no, please go ahead.

877
00:55:06,839 --> 00:55:09,629
Dave Jones: The reason that I
put recommended host and

878
00:55:09,629 --> 00:55:17,909
recommender host in there is
because immediately I see a

879
00:55:17,909 --> 00:55:21,299
bunch of things from this thing
called vigilante TV, which I

880
00:55:21,299 --> 00:55:26,489
don't even know what that is.
Yes. It sounds like it may be

881
00:55:26,489 --> 00:55:33,299
sketchy. Vigilante something I'm
not sure about that. So

882
00:55:33,809 --> 00:55:37,379
interesting immediately, if I
put this in here, you can

883
00:55:37,409 --> 00:55:41,519
immediately filter out things
that you don't want. So

884
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:44,370
Adam Curry: yeah, that could Ah,
yes, yes. That's a good idea.

885
00:55:44,429 --> 00:55:47,489
Dave Jones: All right. So stuff
comes in here from pod rolls

886
00:55:47,489 --> 00:55:53,879
from like, you know, 60 times.fm
or something like that. That's

887
00:55:53,939 --> 00:55:58,079
in your in your writing a
podcast app for kids? I don't

888
00:55:58,079 --> 00:55:59,789
want that. I don't want don't

889
00:55:59,790 --> 00:56:03,330
Adam Curry: want. That's a great
idea. But see, what is visual?

890
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:07,800
The Dollar Vigilante? Dollar
Vigilante, I think is that's

891
00:56:07,830 --> 00:56:09,330
very well known.

892
00:56:09,869 --> 00:56:12,329
Dave Jones: Is it? vich? I had
no idea what this

893
00:56:12,329 --> 00:56:14,609
even@vigilante.tv

894
00:56:15,270 --> 00:56:18,240
Adam Curry: Yeah, I'm looking at
the art at the feed,

895
00:56:18,599 --> 00:56:25,349
Dave Jones: peer tube instances
what it is. Crypto 101, my most

896
00:56:25,349 --> 00:56:28,139
important video. Hey, Ron Paul,

897
00:56:28,409 --> 00:56:30,899
Adam Curry: instead of a
popularity count was what

898
00:56:32,609 --> 00:56:35,549
Pfeiffer suggested, which I
think is probably better count.

899
00:56:36,059 --> 00:56:36,419
Okay,

900
00:56:36,450 --> 00:56:42,090
Dave Jones: yeah, I can do that.
Yeah. So this, this will grow

901
00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:48,210
the we're at like, we're at
roughly 500 recommended feeds at

902
00:56:48,210 --> 00:56:49,050
this point in the database.

903
00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:51,030
Adam Curry: Now, is that enough
for the cut off? So we don't

904
00:56:51,030 --> 00:56:53,700
remove the tag from the
namespace? So I don't know.

905
00:56:57,060 --> 00:57:03,030
Dave Jones: I don't I don't
know. This. This is this is a so

906
00:57:03,030 --> 00:57:10,860
that I expect, I expect this to
go to morphed over time as we

907
00:57:10,860 --> 00:57:15,030
learn more about the behavior of
what is going on in these pod

908
00:57:15,030 --> 00:57:20,550
roles. Right. And, but
immediately, you know, I think

909
00:57:21,060 --> 00:57:26,100
people can can use this, this
updates every hour. This this

910
00:57:26,130 --> 00:57:28,680
JSON list so people can
immediately pin it's not behind

911
00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:31,890
any sort of API. So you can just
grab it, just

912
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:32,640
Adam Curry: pop it out.

913
00:57:33,209 --> 00:57:38,009
Dave Jones: You pull it in, and
then you can immediately know

914
00:57:38,609 --> 00:57:41,069
what is being recommended. You
can filter it out if you just

915
00:57:41,069 --> 00:57:44,429
don't know she's like, Okay,
well, I only want to look, we'll

916
00:57:44,429 --> 00:57:47,849
see scroll down all the way to
the bottom. You'll see here.

917
00:57:48,179 --> 00:57:54,959
This is a good a good example.
So make it British podcast that

918
00:57:54,959 --> 00:58:01,439
was recommended by some that was
recommended by somebody by a

919
00:58:01,439 --> 00:58:06,599
feed hosted on Buzzsprout. And
the feed that was recommended

920
00:58:06,599 --> 00:58:11,369
make it British podcast lives on
Captivate. Oh, cool. So here's a

921
00:58:11,369 --> 00:58:14,399
good, you know, like you may
want you may say, Okay, well, I

922
00:58:14,429 --> 00:58:20,099
you know, I want to, for my, for
my slice and dice Top list, I

923
00:58:20,099 --> 00:58:25,439
want to start with, you know,
just the subset of well known

924
00:58:25,439 --> 00:58:28,889
hosting companies or something.
And then I'll sort of branch out

925
00:58:28,889 --> 00:58:31,049
from there. I think you can
slice and dice this a bunch of

926
00:58:31,049 --> 00:58:31,439
ways.

927
00:58:31,980 --> 00:58:34,710
Adam Curry: This is pretty cool.
This is actually very cool. And

928
00:58:34,710 --> 00:58:37,440
I look forward to seeing apps
implementing this this is this

929
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:38,100
is nice.

930
00:58:38,909 --> 00:58:42,269
Dave Jones: Yeah. I don't think
it's I mean, is it game mobile

931
00:58:42,689 --> 00:58:46,289
to get on this list? Sure. But
but then that's not

932
00:58:47,159 --> 00:58:49,679
Adam Curry: well known. But as I
said, The only reason I said

933
00:58:49,679 --> 00:58:52,289
that is because I saw popularity
and the first thing that popped

934
00:58:52,289 --> 00:58:54,959
in my head was oh, game bubble,
but doesn't really matter.

935
00:58:55,049 --> 00:58:58,649
There's nothing to game there's
there's no win. Yeah, there's no

936
00:58:58,649 --> 00:59:02,099
win. It's just, it's you know,
what do people do with this? And

937
00:59:02,099 --> 00:59:04,469
I think the most interesting
things of course, surfacing

938
00:59:04,499 --> 00:59:09,869
other podcasts that I want
people to see on in an app, pod

939
00:59:09,869 --> 00:59:12,479
page, I'm sure pod page will
will do something with that.

940
00:59:12,479 --> 00:59:15,839
This is good. It's a good it's a
great tag. It's a great tag. I

941
00:59:15,839 --> 00:59:16,859
really love this tag.

942
00:59:17,429 --> 00:59:21,419
Dave Jones: But here it says Tom
Woods is his podcast is

943
00:59:21,419 --> 00:59:25,229
recommended in one of these
vigilante feeds. That is

944
00:59:25,229 --> 00:59:30,839
vigilante thing at how is this
working because their feeds must

945
00:59:30,839 --> 00:59:32,489
have pod rolls and they

946
00:59:32,489 --> 00:59:35,309
Adam Curry: do I'm looking at
the feed right now. But this is

947
00:59:35,309 --> 00:59:38,099
pure tube is it?

948
00:59:39,750 --> 00:59:41,820
Dave Jones: I don't Yeah, I
think this I think this is a

949
00:59:41,820 --> 00:59:42,240
pissy

950
00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:47,490
Adam Curry: vigilante youtube.tv
Feed slash podcast slash VIDEOS

951
00:59:47,490 --> 00:59:48,390
dot XML

952
00:59:49,109 --> 00:59:52,469
Dave Jones: source fade you're
just going to pick this one. And

953
00:59:52,469 --> 00:59:52,619
that

954
00:59:52,619 --> 00:59:55,829
Adam Curry: looks like they they
have declaring the namespace

955
00:59:55,859 --> 00:59:59,189
looks good. What's the generator
hive tube

956
01:00:00,659 --> 01:00:01,709
Dave Jones: hive to

957
01:00:02,969 --> 01:00:07,289
Adam Curry: what does that oh,
the hive tube that's the

958
01:00:07,289 --> 01:00:12,149
generator I just read the feed
man let me see what hive tube is

959
01:00:12,479 --> 01:00:16,799
hive tube. The Hive to plugin
monetizes any streaming media

960
01:00:16,799 --> 01:00:22,169
censorship free p2p via the hive
blockchain. I smell Brian of

961
01:00:22,169 --> 01:00:22,619
London

962
01:00:22,919 --> 01:00:24,449
Dave Jones: spelled you

963
01:00:31,020 --> 01:00:31,560
Adam Curry: all right,

964
01:00:32,340 --> 01:00:35,040
Dave Jones: I guess Brian, I
guess Brian did this and is and

965
01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:38,100
all this bear might be yeah
might be alright. I mean he'll

966
01:00:38,100 --> 01:00:41,670
he'll tell us he'll tell us.
He's going to win him. Yeah, but

967
01:00:41,670 --> 01:00:44,610
pod roll is just such a new tag.
I was surprised that that would

968
01:00:44,610 --> 01:00:45,600
exist. Yeah,

969
01:00:45,629 --> 01:00:47,639
Adam Curry: well and it's in
Yeah, it's all in here. I'm

970
01:00:47,639 --> 01:00:51,119
waiting for a sovereign feat. I
know Stephen Bell's real busy

971
01:00:51,119 --> 01:00:54,299
doing all kinds of stuff it's on
the list. So I'm looking forward

972
01:00:54,299 --> 01:00:58,979
to implementing it. Because I
got some feeds I want to point

973
01:00:58,979 --> 01:01:00,149
toward the

974
01:01:00,150 --> 01:01:02,970
Dave Jones: a lot of Buzzsprout
in here be tunes.tv What does

975
01:01:02,970 --> 01:01:10,620
that be tuned? b e tunes.tv.
Beach? Is that also hive

976
01:01:12,060 --> 01:01:15,030
Adam Curry: to E dash or just b?

977
01:01:15,510 --> 01:01:18,720
Dave Jones: b e t o n s dot

978
01:01:18,899 --> 01:01:20,039
Adam Curry: Avi tunes,

979
01:01:20,070 --> 01:01:22,770
Dave Jones: okay. Be the tunes.

980
01:01:23,430 --> 01:01:24,600
Adam Curry: Don't see that
showing up?

981
01:01:26,340 --> 01:01:28,860
Dave Jones: On it. It's yet
another another hive

982
01:01:28,860 --> 01:01:30,120
Adam Curry: thing now the hive
thing?

983
01:01:30,989 --> 01:01:31,799
Dave Jones: I don't know, what's

984
01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:32,370
Adam Curry: the generator

985
01:01:32,369 --> 01:01:36,779
Dave Jones: source? Trying to
find it source source Feed URL,

986
01:01:36,779 --> 01:01:40,199
you know, have the generator.
Have that in the database. I

987
01:01:40,199 --> 01:01:41,849
should have just put that in
here. Be

988
01:01:41,850 --> 01:01:45,060
Adam Curry: tuned. I'll bet you
now I'll bet you that's also a

989
01:01:45,060 --> 01:01:45,720
hive thing.

990
01:01:47,699 --> 01:01:49,829
Dave Jones: At the back, it's
interesting that that happened

991
01:01:49,829 --> 01:01:53,069
because of the last the last
peer to work with RSS that I

992
01:01:53,069 --> 01:01:56,729
know of was was all Alex and I
know he's not doing hive stuff.

993
01:01:57,359 --> 01:01:58,289
Yeah, yes. Hive

994
01:01:58,290 --> 01:02:00,510
Adam Curry: to because hive to
Yeah. All right.

995
01:02:00,780 --> 01:02:02,850
Dave Jones: There must be some
fork of peer tube. It's all

996
01:02:02,850 --> 01:02:03,600
about hive.

997
01:02:04,770 --> 01:02:08,460
Adam Curry: Interesting. Okay,
well, the Learns Well, this is

998
01:02:08,460 --> 01:02:12,960
nice. Okay. I like it. I like
it. Another thing everyone needs

999
01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:18,930
to implement. Yeah, quick go.
You ready? Go. Implement

1000
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:23,490
implement implement. One of the
thing you and I talked about,

1001
01:02:23,880 --> 01:02:29,280
just briefly there was so I it's
unclear. It seems like power

1002
01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:36,360
users had a problem with the get
Alby Bumi. resolved. Right? It

1003
01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:40,230
resolved. Absolutely. But I just
want to remind everybody that

1004
01:02:40,230 --> 01:02:45,810
having other options is not a
bad idea. It's not a bad idea.

1005
01:02:45,870 --> 01:02:48,840
Having fallback or just making
sure you're always out there

1006
01:02:48,840 --> 01:02:51,780
looking at there's a lot of
development in I'm not trying to

1007
01:02:51,780 --> 01:02:56,400
move anyone away from from get
Alby but it's good to I mean,

1008
01:02:56,490 --> 01:03:01,470
here's something that just
happened. I believe nostre is

1009
01:03:01,470 --> 01:03:05,910
fairly reliant on wallet of
Satoshi a lot of people use

1010
01:03:05,910 --> 01:03:06,930
wallet of Satoshi.

1011
01:03:07,260 --> 01:03:09,960
Dave Jones: And if they rely on
what do you can you tell me what

1012
01:03:09,990 --> 01:03:10,740
that means that the

1013
01:03:10,739 --> 01:03:14,099
Adam Curry: users are using
wallet of Satoshi for zaps?

1014
01:03:15,210 --> 01:03:17,670
Dave Jones: I think most like in
most most instances, yeah.

1015
01:03:17,700 --> 01:03:19,980
Adam Curry: Because it because
it's easy to onboard as

1016
01:03:19,980 --> 01:03:24,210
custodial. It's good to go. And
wallet of Satoshi just took

1017
01:03:24,210 --> 01:03:29,190
themselves out of the US App
Stores. Really? Yep. They're a

1018
01:03:29,190 --> 01:03:32,520
little sketchy as to why they do
like you should know why. Like,

1019
01:03:32,520 --> 01:03:36,870
no, I don't really know why. I
think because they're a money

1020
01:03:36,870 --> 01:03:39,840
service provider. They're not
they're not a standalone wallet.

1021
01:03:41,880 --> 01:03:43,290
Seems pretty clear to me.

1022
01:03:44,280 --> 01:03:47,760
Dave Jones: Oh, so is did they
take themselves out immediately

1023
01:03:47,760 --> 01:03:48,600
after the by Nance?

1024
01:03:48,629 --> 01:03:52,589
Adam Curry: I think yeah, I
think the timing is, is seems

1025
01:03:52,589 --> 01:03:53,819
kind of obvious to me.

1026
01:03:54,780 --> 01:03:58,020
Dave Jones: Yeah. That so they
Yeah, if they if they pulled

1027
01:03:58,020 --> 01:04:01,650
right after that they must be
that must have spooked them. And

1028
01:04:01,650 --> 01:04:05,490
Adam Curry: rightly so. I mean,
be a you know, so what did

1029
01:04:05,490 --> 01:04:09,600
binance get popped for for money
laundering, you know, illegal

1030
01:04:09,600 --> 01:04:12,630
transactions? Yeah, I can see
why they're worried about that.

1031
01:04:13,650 --> 01:04:16,320
Dave Jones: Absolutely. Me too.
You know, so

1032
01:04:16,320 --> 01:04:19,710
Adam Curry: there's there's is
that green light thing is the

1033
01:04:19,710 --> 01:04:23,970
breeze SDK. Does that. Is that?
Is that all? noncustodial is

1034
01:04:23,970 --> 01:04:27,630
that working? Is that does do
key send. I mean, is this stuff

1035
01:04:27,630 --> 01:04:28,380
up and running?

1036
01:04:29,790 --> 01:04:32,310
Dave Jones: I don't know. We
need let's get Roy back on the

1037
01:04:32,310 --> 01:04:33,570
show so we can get an update?
That'd be

1038
01:04:33,570 --> 01:04:35,880
Adam Curry: good. Yeah, I'd like
Yes. I'd love to just have a

1039
01:04:35,880 --> 01:04:38,820
light as I mean, I know that he
basically is keeping the breeze

1040
01:04:38,820 --> 01:04:42,930
app alive as a and he's no he's,
he's putting money. He's put

1041
01:04:42,930 --> 01:04:46,350
money into it. People working on
it to upgrade with value time

1042
01:04:46,350 --> 01:04:48,810
splits for the wallet switching
technology, which I really

1043
01:04:48,810 --> 01:04:52,770
appreciate. But he he was even
thinking, Well, you know, we're

1044
01:04:52,770 --> 01:04:56,850
kind of doing our job now as a
lightning service provider. So

1045
01:04:56,850 --> 01:05:00,750
we're just keeping that alive as
an example of an Like, you can't

1046
01:05:00,750 --> 01:05:05,220
shut that down, that's my actual
wallet wallet. That's the wallet

1047
01:05:05,220 --> 01:05:09,120
I use for transactions. You
know, I'm gonna buy $500 worth

1048
01:05:09,120 --> 01:05:12,420
of beef, I'm doing it through
through breeze because I trust

1049
01:05:12,420 --> 01:05:15,780
it, you know, I trust the the
back end the service provider

1050
01:05:15,780 --> 01:05:21,240
piece, and I think they may even
be offering some services to to

1051
01:05:21,270 --> 01:05:25,920
get Alby. I'm not sure. But I
think that this is, the state of

1052
01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:28,410
the Lightning Network might
would be a good idea to have Roy

1053
01:05:28,410 --> 01:05:33,090
back on just to see where we're
at, see what's going on. Because

1054
01:05:33,090 --> 01:05:37,410
they're just relying on any one
solution, not a problem. It's

1055
01:05:37,440 --> 01:05:41,130
easy. And everyone's like, Okay,
I've solved that. Just enter

1056
01:05:41,130 --> 01:05:44,310
your credentials here. And it
all works. But I think we need

1057
01:05:44,310 --> 01:05:49,050
to continuously be on the
lookout for backups or better

1058
01:05:49,050 --> 01:05:53,040
things or, and you know, and I'm
sure they get, I'll be guys, and

1059
01:05:53,040 --> 01:05:56,520
maybe we should have them on as
well. You know, wouldn't be bad

1060
01:05:56,520 --> 01:05:59,220
to have more it's and you just
have monitored, talk about

1061
01:05:59,220 --> 01:06:02,880
what's going on because it it
stuff is scaling now, and we're

1062
01:06:02,880 --> 01:06:06,990
gonna end and it's working. You
know, we get a report every day,

1063
01:06:06,990 --> 01:06:10,140
and I'm always blown away by how
many transactions there are.

1064
01:06:10,979 --> 01:06:11,549
Dave Jones: Yeah, there's

1065
01:06:11,550 --> 01:06:13,920
Adam Curry: a lot. And I mean,
we're like 100,000 transactions

1066
01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:17,160
a day that we're seeing minimum
on just a regular day, right.

1067
01:06:18,389 --> 01:06:19,769
Dave Jones: Let me pull up
yesterday's thing.

1068
01:06:19,800 --> 01:06:21,960
Adam Curry: I think it's about
100. I mean, yeah, I think a

1069
01:06:21,960 --> 01:06:24,660
good day. I'm not talking about
number of sets. I'm talking

1070
01:06:24,660 --> 01:06:26,310
about number of transactions.

1071
01:06:26,760 --> 01:06:29,220
Dave Jones: Right? Yeah, cuz
that's really all we look at the

1072
01:06:29,220 --> 01:06:33,960
stats totals are still love for
you know, I mean, relatively

1073
01:06:33,960 --> 01:06:38,040
speaking. I mean, if it's on it
is on a random Wednesday, you

1074
01:06:38,040 --> 01:06:38,280
know,

1075
01:06:38,369 --> 01:06:41,909
Adam Curry: no, Wednesday's is
just very, that's the worst day

1076
01:06:41,909 --> 01:06:42,419
of the week.

1077
01:06:42,900 --> 01:06:45,090
Dave Jones: Yes. Nothing going
on. Definitely the worst day of

1078
01:06:45,090 --> 01:06:52,380
the week. Let's see daily
report. transactions for? Yes.

1079
01:06:52,590 --> 01:06:57,150
Well, yeah. transactions for
yesterday. Knows 8098.

1080
01:06:59,310 --> 01:06:59,910
Adam Curry: How many

1081
01:07:00,659 --> 01:07:02,099
Dave Jones: 8098?

1082
01:07:03,000 --> 01:07:04,980
Adam Curry: Well, that was
that's probably not a good day

1083
01:07:04,980 --> 01:07:07,950
to look at Dave. That's a
Thanksgiving Day in America.

1084
01:07:08,759 --> 01:07:10,709
Dave Jones: Oh, yeah. Well,
you're right about that. Let's

1085
01:07:10,709 --> 01:07:12,059
see. Do we have

1086
01:07:14,219 --> 01:07:15,329
Adam Curry: let me see what I
have.

1087
01:07:17,730 --> 01:07:22,770
Dave Jones: Report. I usually
Thunderbird, which I can't ever

1088
01:07:22,770 --> 01:07:23,760
find where the folders

1089
01:07:24,360 --> 01:07:28,320
Adam Curry: when we see what we
get from today. When we got from

1090
01:07:28,320 --> 01:07:32,400
today. No, that's not what I'm
looking for.

1091
01:07:33,449 --> 01:07:40,649
Dave Jones: Here. Daily Reports.
Go here. Let's look at this.

1092
01:07:40,649 --> 01:07:42,329
Let's get to last week, because
that's yeah,

1093
01:07:42,329 --> 01:07:48,569
Adam Curry: that's a better
week. November 21. Key send me a

1094
01:07:48,569 --> 01:07:52,709
total. No, I'm sorry. I'm I was
thinking of SATs. You had

1095
01:07:52,709 --> 01:07:56,069
transactions? 8669.

1096
01:07:57,360 --> 01:08:00,120
Dave Jones: There's 9784. That's
right.

1097
01:08:00,120 --> 01:08:03,540
Adam Curry: It's like 10 to
10,000. On a good day. Yeah. So

1098
01:08:03,540 --> 01:08:07,140
last Saturday was almost 10 and
a half 1000. Yeah, that's so

1099
01:08:07,140 --> 01:08:10,410
that's, that's the transaction
10,000 A day that we're seeing.

1100
01:08:11,070 --> 01:08:13,860
Right, that we're seeing. And
it's and it's interesting to

1101
01:08:13,860 --> 01:08:16,770
see, because if you look at the
SAT total, the number one

1102
01:08:16,770 --> 01:08:20,850
transacting app does not
necessarily have the most value,

1103
01:08:20,940 --> 01:08:24,060
float the highest amount of
value. So I can see just a

1104
01:08:24,060 --> 01:08:32,880
random day Friday the 24th. I
can see fountain had home I

1105
01:08:32,880 --> 01:08:37,740
guess pretty funny, founds an ad
700 times the transactions that

1106
01:08:37,740 --> 01:08:45,510
pod verse had. But pod verse
sent 10 times the value. Isn't

1107
01:08:45,510 --> 01:08:48,300
that cool? And like and you can
see different kinds of huge cast

1108
01:08:48,300 --> 01:08:50,940
thematic users, I always see
cast thematic users and high

1109
01:08:50,940 --> 01:08:56,070
value. Fountain is always high
transaction low value. I'm

1110
01:08:56,070 --> 01:08:58,500
always amazed that Sphinx is in
there. I don't know what they're

1111
01:08:58,500 --> 01:08:59,250
doing in their

1112
01:09:00,840 --> 01:09:03,540
Dave Jones: 99 transactions.
It's not like they're not

1113
01:09:05,549 --> 01:09:06,269
Adam Curry: alive. It's

1114
01:09:07,710 --> 01:09:15,000
Dave Jones: split kit, ln beats,
podcast, Guru, curio caster pod

1115
01:09:15,000 --> 01:09:21,690
fans. Breeze, a breeze. 166
transactions is always a good

1116
01:09:21,690 --> 01:09:27,120
mix. Yeah. Yeah, no, it

1117
01:09:27,120 --> 01:09:29,280
Adam Curry: was Yeah. Oh, yeah.
Well, I

1118
01:09:29,280 --> 01:09:32,250
Dave Jones: just think that,
like, get really on and ask him

1119
01:09:32,250 --> 01:09:35,550
about where the green light
service stands. Because what I

1120
01:09:35,550 --> 01:09:42,240
can see is that green light
could be a very good I can see

1121
01:09:42,240 --> 01:09:47,880
the integration in the app in my
head. And I need I need a chance

1122
01:09:47,880 --> 01:09:52,710
to explain it to him and see if
I'm understanding this properly.

1123
01:09:52,860 --> 01:09:56,550
Okay. Because if it's right then
you could you could say, Okay,

1124
01:09:56,550 --> 01:10:03,240
well if I want a wallet in my I,
in my podcasts guru, then

1125
01:10:03,480 --> 01:10:07,350
podcasts guru just calls out
green light spins up, spins up a

1126
01:10:07,350 --> 01:10:12,090
wallet, and gives me my keys.
And done.

1127
01:10:12,150 --> 01:10:14,820
Adam Curry: Right and this
exactly. And then those are your

1128
01:10:14,820 --> 01:10:21,540
keys. And it's your dough. And
you're responsible for it. And

1129
01:10:21,540 --> 01:10:21,690
there's

1130
01:10:21,690 --> 01:10:24,240
Dave Jones: no, there's no
custodian there. You know,

1131
01:10:24,240 --> 01:10:24,600
there's

1132
01:10:26,520 --> 01:10:28,950
Adam Curry: not a financial
customer. Yes. And I think

1133
01:10:28,950 --> 01:10:31,140
there's going to be it's going
to be reasons to look at stuff

1134
01:10:31,140 --> 01:10:33,600
like that in the near future.
There's going to be

1135
01:10:34,500 --> 01:10:36,150
Dave Jones: Yeah, if things are
starting to disappear off app

1136
01:10:36,150 --> 01:10:38,100
stores, then yeah, that's a
reason. Yeah, well,

1137
01:10:38,100 --> 01:10:39,930
Adam Curry: thanks. Good off
themselves. I was like, Oh,

1138
01:10:39,930 --> 01:10:43,830
that's interesting. So the point
being that, you know, that kind

1139
01:10:43,830 --> 01:10:48,210
of hurt, hurts the simple so
that a simple solution is easy

1140
01:10:48,210 --> 01:10:51,210
to onboard people with nos or
get the wall of Satoshi Okay,

1141
01:10:51,210 --> 01:10:55,920
great. Good. People are zapping
me it works. Now, you can't just

1142
01:10:55,920 --> 01:10:58,650
get the wallet of Satoshi I'm
sure that the app, you know, I'm

1143
01:10:58,650 --> 01:11:00,930
sure it doesn't disappear from
your phone if you already have

1144
01:11:00,930 --> 01:11:03,360
it. But maybe you probably won't
be able to load on your new

1145
01:11:03,360 --> 01:11:09,300
phone, or whatever. You know, so
these things are worth sharing.

1146
01:11:09,570 --> 01:11:13,590
Yeah, yeah. It's a real shame.
But it's custodial services. I

1147
01:11:13,590 --> 01:11:17,010
mean, we've seen all kinds of
blips and burps and glitches

1148
01:11:17,010 --> 01:11:21,990
from a fountain has it from time
to time. I mean, this stuff at

1149
01:11:21,990 --> 01:11:28,950
scale is hard. If that's the
same as you know, like an index,

1150
01:11:29,340 --> 01:11:32,220
it's hard. It's not an easy
thing to do.

1151
01:11:32,610 --> 01:11:34,890
Dave Jones: Well, that's why
everybody swit and by the way,

1152
01:11:34,890 --> 01:11:37,530
we're going to, we're going to
start the process of shutting

1153
01:11:37,530 --> 01:11:43,230
down our LMP node. So that's a
there's been zero transactions

1154
01:11:43,290 --> 01:11:47,400
over the last 30 days. There
never was many anyway. But

1155
01:11:47,400 --> 01:11:53,970
there's we're keeping some stuff
alive for legacy purposes. And

1156
01:11:54,060 --> 01:11:55,860
that seems to have all dried up.

1157
01:11:56,010 --> 01:11:58,530
Adam Curry: Yeah. Look how long
it took, though. The trend the

1158
01:11:58,530 --> 01:12:04,770
transition from everyone using
LM pay to get Alby the, and when

1159
01:12:04,770 --> 01:12:07,020
I say every one of them the app
developers? Yeah, a year,

1160
01:12:07,530 --> 01:12:11,280
Dave Jones: a year year, so that
we're gonna start, we're gonna

1161
01:12:11,310 --> 01:12:14,490
close that down. But see, that's
why that's why everybody left

1162
01:12:14,550 --> 01:12:20,220
LMP anyways, because in an LMP
situation, the app had to hold

1163
01:12:20,580 --> 01:12:25,530
the keys. Yeah. And so then that
puts the app, the podcast app

1164
01:12:25,530 --> 01:12:31,560
has a custodian, whereas with LB
is the LB is the custodian, and

1165
01:12:31,560 --> 01:12:34,920
the user has the as their
credentials. And so there's no

1166
01:12:34,920 --> 01:12:38,640
the app is just, the app is just
shuffling off tokens around,

1167
01:12:38,640 --> 01:12:43,320
there's no right. They don't
know, the app has no idea how,

1168
01:12:43,560 --> 01:12:46,560
like he can't access their
funds, the people, the

1169
01:12:46,560 --> 01:12:48,900
developers, so there's no
custodianship there. So it's

1170
01:12:48,900 --> 01:12:52,140
safer for the app to do
something like that. And I think

1171
01:12:52,140 --> 01:12:56,100
if you go sort of one step
further and look at, you know,

1172
01:12:56,100 --> 01:13:00,420
Greenlight, which I hope I bet
Alby is doing they're probably

1173
01:13:00,420 --> 01:13:01,110
doing that too.

1174
01:13:01,140 --> 01:13:03,840
Adam Curry: I would hope so.
Yeah, I would hope so. Then

1175
01:13:03,840 --> 01:13:07,170
Dave Jones: you then you but
then you take even the last mile

1176
01:13:07,650 --> 01:13:12,360
out of it and say, Okay, well,
now now, it's not even even a

1177
01:13:12,360 --> 01:13:13,500
custodian at all. How

1178
01:13:13,500 --> 01:13:16,080
Adam Curry: about this? Why
don't we have the get Alby guys

1179
01:13:16,080 --> 01:13:19,380
on? I mean, we can we can have
royaume but why don't you have

1180
01:13:19,380 --> 01:13:23,160
to get lb guys and ask them what
the plan is. Okay, because

1181
01:13:23,160 --> 01:13:25,770
they're the they're the they're
the clear guys that are doing

1182
01:13:25,770 --> 01:13:28,680
it. You know, I love them for
it. And I'm sure they have

1183
01:13:28,680 --> 01:13:30,720
thoughts about it. I'm sure
they're not sitting around

1184
01:13:30,720 --> 01:13:34,170
going. This is great. This is
fine with the fire flames

1185
01:13:34,170 --> 01:13:38,490
everywhere I'm sure coffee. Sure
the day. I'm sure they have

1186
01:13:38,490 --> 01:13:41,820
thoughts about this and you
know, they're they're in the EU

1187
01:13:41,820 --> 01:13:45,480
so that has different
connotations. You know, boy I

1188
01:13:45,480 --> 01:13:48,750
have you ever seen Fifi Lagarde
over there who runs the European

1189
01:13:48,750 --> 01:13:51,540
Central Bank? You know, she's
she's no fan of the stuff we're

1190
01:13:51,540 --> 01:13:51,960
doing.

1191
01:13:52,560 --> 01:13:54,000
Dave Jones: No, is not a big
fan.

1192
01:13:54,030 --> 01:13:56,370
Adam Curry: Do you see this?
She's now going around. She's

1193
01:13:56,370 --> 01:14:00,060
doing this she's she's shilling
for the digital euro, the

1194
01:14:00,060 --> 01:14:05,370
central bank digital currency,
which is a true cbdc. And she's

1195
01:14:05,370 --> 01:14:09,540
going around saying crypto is no
good. My son didn't listen to

1196
01:14:09,540 --> 01:14:12,990
me. He lost almost all of his
crypto investments.

1197
01:14:13,770 --> 01:14:15,960
Dave Jones: Oh, what do you
invent what crypto investments?

1198
01:14:15,960 --> 01:14:18,120
Did he bet there was no details?

1199
01:14:18,270 --> 01:14:21,330
Adam Curry: No, of course not.
She's because she's conflating

1200
01:14:21,330 --> 01:14:24,690
things purposefully. Make.

1201
01:14:24,900 --> 01:14:26,970
Dave Jones: What about this
digital Euro when that's

1202
01:14:26,970 --> 01:14:28,980
supposed to come out in October?
No.

1203
01:14:29,010 --> 01:14:31,020
Adam Curry: In October, she
announced that they were moving

1204
01:14:31,020 --> 01:14:34,110
forward. That's what she that
would that. She said in October.

1205
01:14:34,200 --> 01:14:36,930
We'll announce our plans.
They're moving forward. They've

1206
01:14:36,930 --> 01:14:39,630
all agreed somewhere. They had
some agreement. Yeah. Good to

1207
01:14:39,630 --> 01:14:44,700
go. And now she's out there
marketing the idea that it'll be

1208
01:14:45,270 --> 01:14:48,630
completely you know, we won't
sell your information to other

1209
01:14:48,630 --> 01:14:55,080
companies. No government will
have Yeah, sure. Movie group.

1210
01:14:55,470 --> 01:15:00,360
Yeah. Good. I wonder if there's
a video for saying that. She's

1211
01:15:00,360 --> 01:15:03,540
such a cool man. She is such a
tool. Does

1212
01:15:03,540 --> 01:15:11,820
Dave Jones: the guards on drip
to ECB chief regarded miss her

1213
01:15:11,820 --> 01:15:17,760
son loft crypto kick last crypto
cash? What is crypto cash crypto

1214
01:15:17,760 --> 01:15:18,390
cash?

1215
01:15:18,930 --> 01:15:21,360
Adam Curry: What is there? Is
there a video video of it?

1216
01:15:22,770 --> 01:15:29,670
Dave Jones: Looking at us don't
cash. This is stupid. Son lost

1217
01:15:29,670 --> 01:15:34,920
almost all money he invested in
crypto. Yeah, yeah, con Jen said

1218
01:15:34,920 --> 01:15:37,170
it was FTX? I don't know. I'm

1219
01:15:37,170 --> 01:15:42,510
Adam Curry: sure that's
irrelevant, really. But But what

1220
01:15:42,510 --> 01:15:47,040
I think is happening. I think
what we're seeing happening now

1221
01:15:47,040 --> 01:15:51,030
in the markets is everything's
good look, they didn't put by

1222
01:15:51,030 --> 01:15:54,510
Nance out of business, they
could have shut that thing down

1223
01:15:54,510 --> 01:15:59,100
easily. They didn't write this
was a warning. Like, okay, you

1224
01:15:59,100 --> 01:16:02,310
got to play ball with us.
Because they want I think what

1225
01:16:02,310 --> 01:16:05,400
will happen is everything will
go away. Everything will be

1226
01:16:05,400 --> 01:16:13,290
outlawed. Bitcoin and I would
expect Aetherium will become

1227
01:16:13,380 --> 01:16:17,310
tradable on the established
public markets, either through

1228
01:16:17,310 --> 01:16:22,500
an ETF or whatever. There will
be approved companies they

1229
01:16:22,500 --> 01:16:24,990
already have, they already have
an approved exchange that you

1230
01:16:24,990 --> 01:16:29,190
know, some Goldman Sachs or some
Wall Street insider thing that

1231
01:16:29,190 --> 01:16:31,290
no one's ever heard of. It's
just sitting there getting ready

1232
01:16:31,290 --> 01:16:35,370
to trade so you can buy and
sell. And everything else will

1233
01:16:35,370 --> 01:16:37,800
be out bought. They're gonna be
they'll do Oh, no, everything.

1234
01:16:37,830 --> 01:16:40,260
Nothing. And I don't know. And
of course, please, if you're an

1235
01:16:40,260 --> 01:16:45,300
XRP guide note, don't email me.
I'm not interested. I know. XRP

1236
01:16:45,300 --> 01:16:47,790
is great. That's the future.
It's all gonna run through XRP

1237
01:16:47,790 --> 01:16:48,840
I'm sure. Yeah.

1238
01:16:48,840 --> 01:16:54,720
Dave Jones: Web monetization.
Web three. Yeah, nothing.

1239
01:16:54,780 --> 01:16:58,890
There's there's I think in
general, we're seeing a lot of I

1240
01:16:58,890 --> 01:17:02,250
think the I think the open AI
stuff is related

1241
01:17:02,250 --> 01:17:06,720
Adam Curry: to this. Oh, yeah.
Oh, yes. Oh, totally shuffling

1242
01:17:06,780 --> 01:17:11,010
Dave Jones: the deck. Like
you're seeing? Because the thing

1243
01:17:11,010 --> 01:17:18,450
is nobody's making. There's no,
there's nothing. There's no

1244
01:17:18,450 --> 01:17:21,150
clear next step for any of this
stuff.

1245
01:17:21,330 --> 01:17:24,450
Adam Curry: Oh, by figured out
the open AI stuff figured out

1246
01:17:24,450 --> 01:17:28,200
open AI. Now I understand what's
going on. This is Well,

1247
01:17:28,230 --> 01:17:35,460
surprise, it's a scam. And the
reason why Sam Altman is back at

1248
01:17:35,460 --> 01:17:38,430
open AI is because that's the
shim, we discussed this on no

1249
01:17:38,430 --> 01:17:41,370
agenda. That's the shim that is
the piece in the middle that

1250
01:17:41,370 --> 01:17:44,910
when the lawsuits come, they
don't sue Microsoft, and

1251
01:17:44,910 --> 01:17:48,660
Microsoft, but they're doing and
I know, because I have, you're

1252
01:17:48,660 --> 01:17:51,330
gonna, you're gonna see the
sales guys come into your shop,

1253
01:17:51,420 --> 01:17:55,620
David, they haven't already. We
have this great new AI

1254
01:17:55,620 --> 01:18:00,180
technology here at Microsoft.
And it works with teams, it

1255
01:18:00,180 --> 01:18:03,300
works with Office. So now when
you have a team meeting, it does

1256
01:18:03,300 --> 01:18:06,360
a transcript and then the
transcript will create the AI

1257
01:18:06,360 --> 01:18:10,050
will create action items, those
action items are automatically

1258
01:18:10,050 --> 01:18:13,740
put onto your calendar. And what
you really want those you really

1259
01:18:13,740 --> 01:18:18,420
want to use our AI tools are
tools to create your own large

1260
01:18:18,420 --> 01:18:22,290
language model, which uses
Microsoft as your as compute,

1261
01:18:22,530 --> 01:18:25,170
which is quite expensive. But
it'll be worth the million

1262
01:18:25,170 --> 01:18:28,290
dollars you invest in creating
your own large language model,

1263
01:18:28,290 --> 01:18:32,220
because then you can have your
own system and easily retrieve

1264
01:18:32,220 --> 01:18:36,270
documents and information and
business intelligence from

1265
01:18:36,270 --> 01:18:39,750
within your own large language
model. That's what Microsoft is

1266
01:18:39,750 --> 01:18:43,170
in this for. They don't give a
crap about, you know how its

1267
01:18:43,170 --> 01:18:47,100
presented some chat bot, they
want you to use their compute

1268
01:18:47,100 --> 01:18:49,110
services to create the LLM.

1269
01:18:50,610 --> 01:18:54,090
Dave Jones: I agree. I agree.
That's because that is already

1270
01:18:54,090 --> 01:18:56,970
happening. They are already they
are already doing that.

1271
01:18:57,720 --> 01:18:59,550
Adam Curry: They're selling.
They're selling that to you.

1272
01:19:00,000 --> 01:19:01,230
Yes, I had

1273
01:19:01,230 --> 01:19:04,320
Dave Jones: already. I was in a
conference with my day job was

1274
01:19:04,320 --> 01:19:07,860
in a conference not too long
ago. And many people raise their

1275
01:19:07,860 --> 01:19:10,320
hands when they were asking if
they were running their own

1276
01:19:10,320 --> 01:19:14,760
local copies of GPT on Azure.
And they were then they are that

1277
01:19:14,760 --> 01:19:18,660
is a thing that people are
doing. And that I guess the the

1278
01:19:18,660 --> 01:19:21,630
thing that the thing that gets
the open AI thing from my

1279
01:19:21,630 --> 01:19:27,840
perspective, I think that they I
think that they got caught. And

1280
01:19:27,840 --> 01:19:32,370
they Altman and Microsoft got
got caught trying to get out

1281
01:19:32,370 --> 01:19:36,510
from under this thing. Because I
think what they realize

1282
01:19:36,540 --> 01:19:40,530
internally is that this thing is
a dog. It is not going to make

1283
01:19:40,530 --> 01:19:47,640
any money. But what they saw
what they see is they see who's

1284
01:19:47,640 --> 01:19:51,420
the only person who's actually
making money from this

1285
01:19:51,450 --> 01:19:57,990
Microsoft. No, no Microsoft
invested. They promised their

1286
01:19:58,530 --> 01:20:04,290
their aspect of this Is that
they promised open ai $10

1287
01:20:04,290 --> 01:20:06,600
billion worth of Azure credits?
Yes.

1288
01:20:06,660 --> 01:20:09,930
Adam Curry: Well, let's Can we
just say 10 billion? Is that

1289
01:20:09,930 --> 01:20:15,030
retail? Is that special price?
Best Price? Is it just $10

1290
01:20:15,030 --> 01:20:18,780
million worth or $1,000 Worth,
but they price it at a 10

1291
01:20:18,780 --> 01:20:22,770
billion. Okay. Irrelevant. We
agree on that. And

1292
01:20:22,770 --> 01:20:25,560
Dave Jones: what they got at
what Microsoft got out of it was

1293
01:20:26,130 --> 01:20:31,200
the IP, all of it, they're all
of it. Yeah, the deal is, is

1294
01:20:31,200 --> 01:20:34,770
basically they get access to all
the IP. And if open AI ever goes

1295
01:20:34,770 --> 01:20:37,830
under, they get me they
literally go on and on and on.

1296
01:20:37,860 --> 01:20:38,310
So

1297
01:20:38,340 --> 01:20:41,340
Adam Curry: that's why the shame
is still in place. Because

1298
01:20:41,730 --> 01:20:45,300
Altman did his job. He got the
executive order, which is the

1299
01:20:45,300 --> 01:20:48,960
path to regulation. Everyone's
Whoa, Whoa, it's so scary. You

1300
01:20:48,960 --> 01:20:51,570
can only have the biggest
companies in the world do this

1301
01:20:51,570 --> 01:20:54,930
really was we can't just have
any Tom, Dick and Harry doing

1302
01:20:54,930 --> 01:20:59,760
this stuff. No, it has to be
either, Microsoft, Google can't

1303
01:20:59,760 --> 01:21:04,560
be anybody else. Amazon AWS
Campion. So they got all they're

1304
01:21:04,560 --> 01:21:07,980
all protected. But if the
lawsuit comes for copyright,

1305
01:21:08,100 --> 01:21:10,650
that goes to open AI. Well,

1306
01:21:11,010 --> 01:21:15,150
Dave Jones: the part that
Microsoft did Microsoft is I do

1307
01:21:15,150 --> 01:21:19,080
not think they're making any
money off off the chat off the

1308
01:21:19,080 --> 01:21:22,020
chat stuff. No, no, zero as a
call center for them. Yeah.

1309
01:21:22,050 --> 01:21:26,160
What? So what they saw was, if
you look around the industry,

1310
01:21:26,160 --> 01:21:31,770
the only person who's making
tons of money off of AI is

1311
01:21:31,800 --> 01:21:32,580
Nvidia.

1312
01:21:33,630 --> 01:21:36,270
Adam Curry: Yes. Yeah. And
they're gonna end I heard Marcy

1313
01:21:36,270 --> 01:21:39,660
there. Yeah. And Microsoft is
planning on making their own

1314
01:21:39,660 --> 01:21:40,350
chip now.

1315
01:21:40,890 --> 01:21:43,440
Dave Jones: Yes, invidious
earnings. Yeah.

1316
01:21:43,560 --> 01:21:47,730
Adam Curry: They were applying
Oh, now. They blew it out. Yeah.

1317
01:21:48,270 --> 01:21:49,320
believable.

1318
01:21:49,350 --> 01:21:52,110
Dave Jones: Yeah. And Microsoft
looks around and they're like,

1319
01:21:52,500 --> 01:21:55,230
We want to get in the hardware
business. Yep. And they in the

1320
01:21:55,230 --> 01:21:59,460
AI chip hardware business. And
Sam Altman, according to

1321
01:21:59,970 --> 01:22:05,100
reports, was making deals with
the Saudis to do a heart and AI

1322
01:22:05,100 --> 01:22:06,870
hardware chip business.

1323
01:22:06,900 --> 01:22:10,050
Adam Curry: Oh, and it was
within video. Oh, I didn't

1324
01:22:10,050 --> 01:22:13,710
realize that. Oh, that's a good
day. Good data point. I didn't I

1325
01:22:13,710 --> 01:22:14,790
had not heard that.

1326
01:22:15,150 --> 01:22:18,180
Dave Jones: I think internally
Microsoft working with Altman

1327
01:22:18,180 --> 01:22:21,810
was making it was getting ready
to make to flip the switch from

1328
01:22:21,810 --> 01:22:26,370
software to picks and shovels
because they need because Nvidia

1329
01:22:26,370 --> 01:22:29,100
is showing that the only people
making money are the hardware

1330
01:22:29,100 --> 01:22:32,520
the hardware guys right. And
they tried to get out from under

1331
01:22:32,520 --> 01:22:37,770
this software dog that does not
work. And they get and then the

1332
01:22:37,770 --> 01:22:41,850
board was so stupid. These the
board like you said there but

1333
01:22:41,850 --> 01:22:45,060
it's like a cold. No. Yeah,
they're so dumb. Like you don't

1334
01:22:45,060 --> 01:22:48,270
know what they do. In the
college football world.

1335
01:22:48,270 --> 01:22:51,090
Everybody knows you never fire
your current coach until you

1336
01:22:51,090 --> 01:22:53,940
have the NetScout already lined
up ready to walk to the podium

1337
01:22:53,940 --> 01:22:55,650
and say, I take this job

1338
01:22:55,650 --> 01:22:58,590
Adam Curry: and here's your link
because that board literally

1339
01:22:58,590 --> 01:23:02,970
grew up with the SAM Backman
fried people and the Alameda

1340
01:23:02,970 --> 01:23:07,020
research girl. They're all
effective altruists and that

1341
01:23:07,020 --> 01:23:11,070
these are the people that do all
the Oh AI's. By the way AI eat

1342
01:23:11,070 --> 01:23:15,090
the world. I should play this.
We should play this. Because

1343
01:23:15,150 --> 01:23:22,200
you're you're a technologist.
What is what is that? The

1344
01:23:22,200 --> 01:23:27,090
douchebags name the guy who was
CEO for like three seconds.

1345
01:23:29,100 --> 01:23:31,260
Dave Jones: CEO of open ion
Yeah, the

1346
01:23:31,260 --> 01:23:33,270
Adam Curry: guy the guy from
Twitch Yeah. What's his name?

1347
01:23:33,270 --> 01:23:33,810
Shira?

1348
01:23:33,840 --> 01:23:35,610
Dave Jones: Yeah, here here?
Yeah, sure. Here

1349
01:23:35,610 --> 01:23:40,260
Adam Curry: we go. Listen, you
want to? So they so the board

1350
01:23:40,260 --> 01:23:43,020
thought this guy would be the
right guy. Listen to why he

1351
01:23:43,020 --> 01:23:48,540
explains why AI is so dangerous.
And I think he's talking about

1352
01:23:48,540 --> 01:23:52,260
recursion which results in
nothing but your hardware

1353
01:23:52,260 --> 01:23:54,030
locking up. But listen to this
for a second.

1354
01:23:54,120 --> 01:23:56,220
Unknown: Generally I'm I'm very
pro technology. And I really

1355
01:23:56,220 --> 01:23:58,860
believe the upsides usually
outweigh the downsides.

1356
01:23:58,920 --> 01:24:01,770
Everything technology can be
misused. Regulating early is

1357
01:24:01,770 --> 01:24:05,280
usually a mistake. I have a very
specific concern about AI, we

1358
01:24:05,280 --> 01:24:07,080
built an intelligence, it's kind
of amazing. Actually, we may not

1359
01:24:07,080 --> 01:24:09,720
be the smartest intelligence,
but it is unintelligence. It can

1360
01:24:09,720 --> 01:24:14,370
solve problems and make
arbitrary plans. It's some point

1361
01:24:14,700 --> 01:24:17,610
as it gets better. The kinds of
problems that we'll be able to

1362
01:24:17,640 --> 01:24:21,720
solve will include programming,
chip design, material science,

1363
01:24:22,170 --> 01:24:25,860
power production, all the things
you would need to design an

1364
01:24:25,950 --> 01:24:29,700
artificial intelligence. At that
point, you'll be able to point

1365
01:24:29,730 --> 01:24:33,120
the thing we've built back
itself. And this will happen

1366
01:24:33,150 --> 01:24:35,220
before you get that point with
humans in the loop already is

1367
01:24:35,220 --> 01:24:37,380
happening with humans in the
loop. But that loop will get

1368
01:24:37,380 --> 01:24:40,860
tighter and tighter and tighter.
And faster and faster and faster

1369
01:24:40,860 --> 01:24:45,900
until it can fully self improve
itself. At which point, it will

1370
01:24:45,900 --> 01:24:49,650
get very fast very quickly. And
that kind of intelligence is

1371
01:24:49,650 --> 01:24:52,290
just an intrinsically very
dangerous thing. Because

1372
01:24:52,500 --> 01:24:53,610
intelligence is power.

1373
01:24:54,900 --> 01:24:57,390
Adam Curry: Tell me what he's
saying. Fast. Tell me what he's

1374
01:24:57,390 --> 01:24:59,010
saying right there is bullcrap.

1375
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:02,430
Dave Jones: It's complete. It's
complete idiocy, it's gonna get

1376
01:25:02,430 --> 01:25:03,270
quicker, faster.

1377
01:25:03,390 --> 01:25:06,060
Adam Curry: Nobody says we're
going to point it at itself. And

1378
01:25:06,060 --> 01:25:08,640
it's going to develop itself
better. Isn't that the

1379
01:25:08,640 --> 01:25:10,200
definition of recursion?

1380
01:25:10,890 --> 01:25:13,200
Dave Jones: Yeah, it's called
model collapse. Yeah,

1381
01:25:13,200 --> 01:25:15,930
Adam Curry: model collapse? Yes.
There you go model collapse.

1382
01:25:16,410 --> 01:25:21,390
Dave Jones: What in this in this
conference that I went to the

1383
01:25:22,080 --> 01:25:24,300
there was a, there was a
presenter, who was talking about

1384
01:25:24,300 --> 01:25:27,960
how they had done these proof of
concepts where they had written

1385
01:25:27,960 --> 01:25:33,120
these reports, they transferred
these reports to be generated by

1386
01:25:33,870 --> 01:25:39,210
AI, by the GPT model. And so you
could set you could ask, you

1387
01:25:39,210 --> 01:25:42,330
know, hey, look at all this
data, give me this, give me a

1388
01:25:42,330 --> 01:25:45,480
report that shows such and such.
And these are, these were

1389
01:25:45,480 --> 01:25:48,390
replacements for the reports
that they had built with code.

1390
01:25:49,200 --> 01:25:52,650
And so they were like, you know,
somebody raises their hand, and

1391
01:25:52,650 --> 01:25:55,350
they were like, well, how do you
know, I mean, like, how do you

1392
01:25:55,350 --> 01:25:59,100
notice right now? Well, you
know, we check it initially

1393
01:25:59,100 --> 01:26:03,990
against the report, the old
reports, the old until we become

1394
01:26:03,990 --> 01:26:06,450
confident that it's producing
the same thing. And they're

1395
01:26:06,450 --> 01:26:10,020
like, Well, how do you know
that? Did it doesn't drift and

1396
01:26:10,050 --> 01:26:13,320
that it's always going to be
right, and they're like, well,

1397
01:26:13,350 --> 01:26:16,830
we don't really you have,
there's some services that you

1398
01:26:16,830 --> 01:26:20,640
can use. Oh, really? Check for
model drift and

1399
01:26:20,850 --> 01:26:23,070
Adam Curry: drift. Oh, model
drift? That's a new one. I

1400
01:26:23,070 --> 01:26:25,860
hadn't heard model drift. I like
that. And

1401
01:26:25,860 --> 01:26:28,800
Dave Jones: I'm like, they don't
know you're gonna produce

1402
01:26:28,800 --> 01:26:31,890
something with with the large
language model. And then you'll

1403
01:26:31,920 --> 01:26:35,340
always have to prove it. by
actually doing the thing. It's

1404
01:26:35,340 --> 01:26:36,330
double the word. Yes.

1405
01:26:36,330 --> 01:26:37,830
Adam Curry: It's like, it's
like, it's like owning a

1406
01:26:37,830 --> 01:26:41,010
dishwasher. I always say owning
a dishwasher. You're handling

1407
01:26:41,040 --> 01:26:46,350
the dishes twice. Yes. Whereas
if you just wash it, and put it

1408
01:26:46,350 --> 01:26:47,400
away, you're done.

1409
01:26:49,200 --> 01:26:51,420
Dave Jones: That is, is dish
drift. Yes.

1410
01:26:52,410 --> 01:26:53,880
Adam Curry: You want to get the
rest of this douchebag he's

1411
01:26:53,880 --> 01:26:57,000
pretty funny. Oh, I love these
guys. Guy. And this is so this

1412
01:26:57,000 --> 01:27:00,330
is a podcast. And this is this
is very typical of the of the

1413
01:27:00,330 --> 01:27:03,750
new venture capital guys.
They'll they'll have a younger

1414
01:27:03,750 --> 01:27:06,750
junior partner and he's the
podcast guy. And he'll do

1415
01:27:06,750 --> 01:27:10,500
podcast with the investments
with the with the Oh yeah. And

1416
01:27:10,500 --> 01:27:12,570
it's always like this is great
you know we're so happy we

1417
01:27:12,570 --> 01:27:16,110
invest in us as good stuff. Wow.
And you're the genius and this

1418
01:27:16,110 --> 01:27:19,740
guy of course clearly from the
way he talks is a genius wait

1419
01:27:19,740 --> 01:27:22,320
until you hear some of the terms
he makes up and beings

1420
01:27:22,320 --> 01:27:24,510
Unknown: are the dominant for
our life on this planet pretty

1421
01:27:24,510 --> 01:27:26,490
much entirely because we were
smarter than the other creatures

1422
01:27:26,520 --> 01:27:30,570
now. I just laid out a chain of
argument with a lot of chain of

1423
01:27:30,570 --> 01:27:33,180
argument of if this and this if
this then this if it's

1424
01:27:33,180 --> 01:27:35,400
Adam Curry: in this oh if this
and this and the chain of

1425
01:27:35,400 --> 01:27:37,260
argument is if this then this
then this human beings

1426
01:27:37,260 --> 01:27:39,480
Dave Jones: are the dominant for
our life on this planet, pretty

1427
01:27:39,480 --> 01:27:41,460
much entirely because we're
smarter than the other creatures

1428
01:27:41,490 --> 01:27:47,640
now. I just laid out a chain of
argument with this this kind of

1429
01:27:47,640 --> 01:27:53,160
person is this is the type of
person the Silicon Valley do.

1430
01:27:53,160 --> 01:27:59,190
Let's just say the Silicon
Valley auto autistic who speaks

1431
01:27:59,490 --> 01:28:03,360
so fast that they don't even
finish their words because their

1432
01:28:03,360 --> 01:28:05,460
brain is going so fast.

1433
01:28:06,180 --> 01:28:07,140
Adam Curry: He's on Adderall.

1434
01:28:08,250 --> 01:28:10,800
Dave Jones: Yes, thank you.
Okay, he's going so fast that he

1435
01:28:10,800 --> 01:28:14,970
can't even pronounce all the
syllables of the words because

1436
01:28:15,000 --> 01:28:19,560
he slows him down he's he's
living his life on 1.7x

1437
01:28:19,830 --> 01:28:22,410
Adam Curry: that no no, this is
what happens when you listen to

1438
01:28:22,410 --> 01:28:27,090
podcasts on 1.7x Let this up
unless you become this guy

1439
01:28:27,180 --> 01:28:28,950
Unknown: pretty much entirely
because we're smarter than the

1440
01:28:28,950 --> 01:28:32,370
other creatures now. I just laid
out a chain of argument with a

1441
01:28:32,370 --> 01:28:36,570
lot of if this then this if this
and this if this then this. I

1442
01:28:36,570 --> 01:28:43,020
know Elijah thinks that like
we're all doomed for sure. I buy

1443
01:28:43,020 --> 01:28:46,170
his doom argument I buy the
chicken in the logic. Like my P

1444
01:28:46,170 --> 01:28:49,470
Doom my probability of doom is
like my bid

1445
01:28:52,770 --> 01:28:55,860
Dave Jones: is this was like
isn't the like p values? Yes,

1446
01:28:55,860 --> 01:28:56,370
yes.

1447
01:28:56,430 --> 01:29:00,540
Adam Curry: Yes. P bracket open
Doom bracket close his P doom.

1448
01:29:00,540 --> 01:29:02,100
Yes. And he has one more in
here.

1449
01:29:02,160 --> 01:29:06,060
Unknown: Like my P doom. My
probability of doom is like my

1450
01:29:06,060 --> 01:29:09,150
bid ask spread and that's pretty
high. My bid ask spread of

1451
01:29:09,150 --> 01:29:14,910
uncertainty. But I would say
it's like between, like five and

1452
01:29:14,910 --> 01:29:19,770
50. So there's a wide spread. I
think Paul Cristiano 50

1453
01:29:19,770 --> 01:29:22,200
Adam Curry: glasses, so
horrible. These guys. So

1454
01:29:22,200 --> 01:29:24,270
Dave Jones: they heard this,
they heard this guy and they're

1455
01:29:24,270 --> 01:29:26,160
like, oh, man, that's our CEO.

1456
01:29:27,630 --> 01:29:31,200
Adam Curry: He's got a P doom of
a bid ask spread of between five

1457
01:29:31,200 --> 01:29:34,200
and 50. I mean, this guy's
awesome. I bet

1458
01:29:34,200 --> 01:29:37,650
Dave Jones: he plays video games
during meetings. Oh, yeah. He's

1459
01:29:38,010 --> 01:29:38,490
a genius.

1460
01:29:38,520 --> 01:29:40,440
Adam Curry: And he's awesome on
the pickleball court.

1461
01:29:44,460 --> 01:29:48,390
Dave Jones: Now, Stan was some
podcast as I go down to negative

1462
01:29:48,540 --> 01:29:50,850
below one point. Yes,

1463
01:29:50,850 --> 01:29:55,530
Adam Curry: you need to slow
back down. But this is what

1464
01:29:55,530 --> 01:29:57,870
we're dealing with man. And so

1465
01:29:58,920 --> 01:30:00,720
Dave Jones: there's nothing
left. There's no Next,

1466
01:30:00,750 --> 01:30:03,300
Adam Curry: but that's a that's
a really good really good point

1467
01:30:03,330 --> 01:30:06,210
about the hardware point you're
at. That's the only place

1468
01:30:06,210 --> 01:30:10,770
money's being made. And
Microsoft is probably sick of

1469
01:30:10,770 --> 01:30:15,660
paying and Vidya lots of money
to buy up these, these these

1470
01:30:15,660 --> 01:30:18,570
chips and these machines, and
then they pass that, you know,

1471
01:30:18,600 --> 01:30:22,650
so they're losing so much
profit, passing that on to their

1472
01:30:22,680 --> 01:30:26,010
clients who we've duped into
creating large light. And, you

1473
01:30:26,010 --> 01:30:29,940
know, it might work very well
for for certain things inside an

1474
01:30:29,940 --> 01:30:33,150
organization. But I'll bet your
company and I know what they do,

1475
01:30:33,270 --> 01:30:35,610
I bet you they're not going to
they're not going to rely on any

1476
01:30:35,610 --> 01:30:39,390
of this crap to do anything
meaningful. The

1477
01:30:39,390 --> 01:30:42,630
Dave Jones: way this stuff works
is it always comes down through

1478
01:30:42,630 --> 01:30:45,630
your line of business apps, you
don't ever do anything. It's

1479
01:30:45,630 --> 01:30:54,450
like blockchain. Want some
upstream provider somewhere is

1480
01:30:54,450 --> 01:30:57,600
going to do something with this
and to make their product a

1481
01:30:57,600 --> 01:31:01,800
little bit more user friendly.
And that's it. Yeah, no, you

1482
01:31:01,800 --> 01:31:05,220
don't you don't develop a team
in house to go do this in your

1483
01:31:05,580 --> 01:31:08,850
standard meno business. That's
just not it's just not a thing.

1484
01:31:08,880 --> 01:31:09,300
They also

1485
01:31:09,300 --> 01:31:12,240
Adam Curry: I think they really
blew it on that chat bot apps.

1486
01:31:12,750 --> 01:31:15,510
You know, that's all people see.
Now. It's like, I opened up

1487
01:31:16,020 --> 01:31:19,080
WhatsApp the other day, because
that's what most of my family

1488
01:31:19,080 --> 01:31:22,290
uses in Europe uses that instead
of text messaging, and then they

1489
01:31:22,290 --> 01:31:26,250
got a chatbot in their AI. And
it's actually not bad, you know,

1490
01:31:26,280 --> 01:31:29,220
just for for little stupid
stuff. But that has no value to

1491
01:31:29,220 --> 01:31:36,630
people. It shows no value. And
okay, I can see, and I can see

1492
01:31:36,630 --> 01:31:39,960
where you might have a better
script for your call center. I

1493
01:31:39,960 --> 01:31:42,870
can see where you open up Word.
It's Clippy on steroids, you

1494
01:31:42,870 --> 01:31:46,050
open up Word. And so Oh, I see
you're trying to write your

1495
01:31:46,050 --> 01:31:49,860
resume, you know, would you like
me to help you with that?

1496
01:31:51,000 --> 01:31:53,820
Dave Jones: The whole Yeah, the
whole thing's dumb. And I think

1497
01:31:53,820 --> 01:31:57,660
they realize it now. They got
their stock bumps out of it. All

1498
01:31:57,660 --> 01:32:00,660
of that's done. And now they
need to actually make really

1499
01:32:00,690 --> 01:32:03,600
real money. And the only way
they can do that is with

1500
01:32:03,600 --> 01:32:08,010
hardware. There's the software,
the software upside of this is

1501
01:32:08,010 --> 01:32:10,380
done. Yes, I agree.

1502
01:32:10,410 --> 01:32:15,120
Adam Curry: I agree. You know,
it's like descript, which, you

1503
01:32:15,120 --> 01:32:18,690
know, has all this AI stuff in
it. Now the editing software?

1504
01:32:19,110 --> 01:32:24,510
Yeah. And so, you know, James
has this, this put out of bad

1505
01:32:24,510 --> 01:32:29,490
news episode. And this is 32nd
gap, and he picks up the very

1506
01:32:29,490 --> 01:32:32,070
normal, you know, you're
recording and screwed up. I'm

1507
01:32:32,070 --> 01:32:35,220
gonna pick it up again. You
know, why doesn't if the script

1508
01:32:35,220 --> 01:32:39,690
is really AI, why didn't it say
we're rip? You left a 32nd gap

1509
01:32:39,690 --> 01:32:42,990
here? Shouldn't you check that
out? This may be something

1510
01:32:42,990 --> 01:32:45,510
wrong. Where's the AI?

1511
01:32:46,020 --> 01:32:50,220
Dave Jones: I go back to the
Adam curry metric of AI. is I

1512
01:32:50,220 --> 01:32:52,080
believe that when I no longer
get spam.

1513
01:32:53,790 --> 01:32:58,170
Adam Curry: Yes, the Bayesian
model of Thank you. When will

1514
01:32:58,170 --> 01:33:01,350
that day till that day is both
you know, thank you very much.

1515
01:33:01,440 --> 01:33:05,370
Why that would be the perfect
application of AI. I keep

1516
01:33:05,370 --> 01:33:07,260
forgetting my own rules.

1517
01:33:07,950 --> 01:33:12,300
Dave Jones: You forget yourself.
You forget yourself this. Let's

1518
01:33:12,360 --> 01:33:14,490
Adam Curry: thanks some people.
Dave, I know you got that hard

1519
01:33:14,490 --> 01:33:19,500
heart out in about 10 minutes.
So I'm going to we only have a

1520
01:33:19,500 --> 01:33:23,820
couple of live booths because
let's face it, we're working

1521
01:33:23,820 --> 01:33:26,970
through the holiday. after
Thanksgiving. Yeah, right. We'll

1522
01:33:26,970 --> 01:33:29,520
get it's nice. You know, we'd
love it Dave and I'd like to

1523
01:33:29,520 --> 01:33:32,130
catch up to that's really what
it is. We're friends we catch up

1524
01:33:32,130 --> 01:33:38,610
once a week. Salty crayon just
came in with 6222 It's the evil

1525
01:33:38,610 --> 01:33:44,760
rooster boost. Hope you all are
having a great Thanksgiving

1526
01:33:44,760 --> 01:33:49,560
weekend PS Black Friday as a
scam go podcasting. Yes. Huge

1527
01:33:49,560 --> 01:33:53,730
scam chat F 3330 stations. I
would love to test an alternate

1528
01:33:53,730 --> 01:33:58,080
wallet in apps. But Alby seems
to be the only one that wants to

1529
01:33:58,080 --> 01:34:03,480
play ball. I don't think so. I
don't know. I think there's I

1530
01:34:03,480 --> 01:34:07,080
think there's others this is the
whole point. Let's go straight

1531
01:34:07,080 --> 01:34:11,040
to our partners in crime. The lb
guys and let's hear what the

1532
01:34:11,070 --> 01:34:14,730
where we're at where they're at.
And I'll see in a minute Yeah,

1533
01:34:14,730 --> 01:34:17,910
especially knowing that you know
that green light may be entered

1534
01:34:17,910 --> 01:34:21,090
in already doing stuff with
them. Let's Let's ask them

1535
01:34:21,090 --> 01:34:25,860
what's the future boys? How are
we doing? Then we get a

1536
01:34:25,860 --> 01:34:32,430
beautiful 17,776 a mega freedom
booths from blueberry. Nice

1537
01:34:32,430 --> 01:34:35,850
coming in the pod verse in 2020
I was fired from CATS the

1538
01:34:35,850 --> 01:34:40,530
musical on tour because of COVID
out of that came behind the

1539
01:34:40,530 --> 01:34:44,460
scheme's BTS three years later I
find myself in a similar

1540
01:34:44,460 --> 01:34:48,360
position. I was thrown from the
moving vehicle that is the toxic

1541
01:34:48,360 --> 01:34:52,860
bureaucracy and landed at the
gates of value. I will make my

1542
01:34:52,860 --> 01:34:57,450
worlds of live entertainment and
PC 2.0 collide in spectacular

1543
01:34:57,450 --> 01:35:02,850
fashion. He is. That's
interesting. I didn't know about

1544
01:35:02,850 --> 01:35:06,930
that. That he was. I would love
to know more about what he was

1545
01:35:06,930 --> 01:35:08,730
doing with cats the musical

1546
01:35:09,570 --> 01:35:11,820
Dave Jones: on the scheme's.
It's better than cats.

1547
01:35:12,420 --> 01:35:16,980
Adam Curry: It's hell yeah. I
have a feeling he's working on

1548
01:35:16,980 --> 01:35:21,480
value for value theater show
streaming split kit QR codes.

1549
01:35:21,540 --> 01:35:25,770
He's He's figured stuff out.
He's he has a vision he has

1550
01:35:25,800 --> 01:35:28,230
blueberry has a vision. I'd love
to know more about it.

1551
01:35:29,070 --> 01:35:31,170
Dave Jones: Excellent. Get him.
We'll get him on the show. We

1552
01:35:31,170 --> 01:35:33,930
Adam Curry: need to get
everybody on the show. We just

1553
01:35:33,930 --> 01:35:36,450
reverse it. You and I sit on the
stream. Everyone else talk.

1554
01:35:37,170 --> 01:35:43,440
We'll just listen to Dovid us
bar says blue.com 4000 SATs.

1555
01:35:43,440 --> 01:35:49,620
Sorry, I'm low on SATs. Okay,
bro. Just wanna you? Yes, I just

1556
01:35:49,620 --> 01:35:53,190
want to say thank you for the D
duping Dave. Also, is there any

1557
01:35:53,190 --> 01:35:56,070
reason we can't already
established a unique constraint

1558
01:35:56,070 --> 01:35:58,980
on podcast goods in the PII
database?

1559
01:36:01,320 --> 01:36:03,420
Dave Jones: Yes. Okay.

1560
01:36:03,420 --> 01:36:05,280
Adam Curry: Is that the answer?
Or is there more? Is there more

1561
01:36:05,280 --> 01:36:05,850
to it?

1562
01:36:06,510 --> 01:36:09,870
Dave Jones: That is that is the
answer. Because if if two

1563
01:36:09,870 --> 01:36:17,370
podcasts have the same good,
then we need to know about. We

1564
01:36:17,370 --> 01:36:19,920
need to know which one is right.
And if you just put a unique

1565
01:36:19,920 --> 01:36:25,620
constraint, you may get the you
may get the wrong one. We have

1566
01:36:25,620 --> 01:36:28,440
to We it has to be resolved.
That's That's what I mean. Like,

1567
01:36:28,440 --> 01:36:31,080
yeah, you have to know that
there. There's a conflict and

1568
01:36:31,080 --> 01:36:35,100
then resolve that conflict. It's
not enough just to ignore one of

1569
01:36:35,100 --> 01:36:35,430
them.

1570
01:36:35,640 --> 01:36:36,540
Adam Curry: So what do we do?

1571
01:36:38,880 --> 01:36:39,630
Dave Jones: We resolve them.

1572
01:36:41,130 --> 01:36:43,320
Adam Curry: This is where AI
would come in handy. But I guess

1573
01:36:43,320 --> 01:36:45,900
you and I will just do it by
hand for now. Let's just make

1574
01:36:45,900 --> 01:36:48,690
chips. Blueberry was the head
electrician for cats the

1575
01:36:48,690 --> 01:36:52,380
musical. Oh, nice. Cool. Very
cool. That

1576
01:36:52,380 --> 01:36:53,520
Dave Jones: is a cool job. Yes.

1577
01:36:53,580 --> 01:36:56,910
Adam Curry: Did I tell you that
I met Steven B in person at the

1578
01:36:56,910 --> 01:36:57,420
meetup.

1579
01:36:58,230 --> 01:37:01,590
Dave Jones: Oh, yeah. He doesn't
leave his house. He did. He

1580
01:37:01,590 --> 01:37:05,010
Adam Curry: came to the Austin.
No agenda meetup was great. I

1581
01:37:05,010 --> 01:37:07,770
couldn't stop hogging the list.
I keep saying Come here. Let me

1582
01:37:07,770 --> 01:37:11,430
hug you again. I kept this guy
this guy without this guy.

1583
01:37:11,460 --> 01:37:15,210
Nothing will be happening right
now. Sounds great to see. So

1584
01:37:15,210 --> 01:37:18,450
there's a huge boost here. But
that was from 14 hours ago. So

1585
01:37:18,450 --> 01:37:20,820
why don't you go down our list
and let's see if it pops up on

1586
01:37:20,820 --> 01:37:22,500
yours. Oh,

1587
01:37:22,740 --> 01:37:25,950
Dave Jones: yeah, see? Well,
I've got some get some paper.

1588
01:37:25,950 --> 01:37:29,790
Hey, pals, Morris. We got Marco
from overcast. $500 Marco.

1589
01:37:29,790 --> 01:37:31,440
Adam Curry: Thanks. Oh, thank
you.

1590
01:37:32,220 --> 01:37:35,550
Unknown: 20 is Blaze Omaha.
Ambala appreciate your

1591
01:37:35,550 --> 01:37:41,040
Dave Jones: brother. In and out.
He is. He is stable. Every month

1592
01:37:41,070 --> 01:37:45,510
forever. Thank you, Marco. And
we got the boys from Buzzsprout

1593
01:37:45,510 --> 01:37:46,800
$500.

1594
01:37:51,180 --> 01:37:54,690
Adam Curry: Bala and of course
they were the big push behind

1595
01:37:55,260 --> 01:37:58,830
the pod roll by them. You see
what see what it does when you

1596
01:37:59,190 --> 01:38:03,600
got a big a big guys like that
and you go from your legacy to

1597
01:38:03,630 --> 01:38:08,280
modernity, boom stuff starts to
happen is good. And

1598
01:38:08,280 --> 01:38:11,130
Dave Jones: I promised them that
if they did if they built it.

1599
01:38:12,000 --> 01:38:15,300
Yeah. Will you do the database
porn? Yeah, we did. We got got

1600
01:38:15,300 --> 01:38:17,400
that done. And we're gonna do
more. So

1601
01:38:17,430 --> 01:38:19,080
Adam Curry: are they are they
going to do stuff with it?

1602
01:38:19,080 --> 01:38:22,560
They're going to surface that on
on their own website. I

1603
01:38:22,560 --> 01:38:25,110
Dave Jones: mean, they already
do that. It's already shout

1604
01:38:25,230 --> 01:38:29,580
individual pages. Yeah, perfect.
Perfect. Get some get some

1605
01:38:29,580 --> 01:38:36,630
boosts on this boost giving.
We've got the gene been 20 to

1606
01:38:36,630 --> 01:38:39,870
22. Through cast magic. He says
you talk about dividing the

1607
01:38:39,870 --> 01:38:43,560
podcast index Allah I Potter,
it's almost seems it almost

1608
01:38:43,560 --> 01:38:46,680
seems like the DNS analogy is
spot on. Let each podcast host

1609
01:38:46,680 --> 01:38:49,350
be authoritative. For the
portion authoritative for the

1610
01:38:49,350 --> 01:38:52,650
portion of the index that
contains the fees they host. So

1611
01:38:52,650 --> 01:38:55,290
if hosters will be responsible
for their slice of the index,

1612
01:38:55,290 --> 01:39:00,450
just like someone self hosting
DNS servers. That's sort of the

1613
01:39:00,450 --> 01:39:02,550
idea. I don't know about
necessarily the host committee,

1614
01:39:02,550 --> 01:39:04,710
but just people stepping up to
do this. Here's

1615
01:39:04,890 --> 01:39:09,120
Adam Curry: this slice. Here's a
weird thing. What if there was a

1616
01:39:09,120 --> 01:39:14,430
top level domain, which do we
know is a very complicated thing

1617
01:39:14,430 --> 01:39:18,150
and it takes a lot of money to
be approved as a top level

1618
01:39:18,150 --> 01:39:21,630
domain. But this this is
something that podcast hosting

1619
01:39:21,630 --> 01:39:25,200
companies could actually do
together. The top level domain

1620
01:39:25,380 --> 01:39:29,970
there, the registrar, they make
it affordable, or at least self

1621
01:39:29,970 --> 01:39:33,330
sustaining, not trying to rip
everybody off like an AI with

1622
01:39:33,330 --> 01:39:39,420
respect like.fm Come on. Yeah,
90 bucks, but that becomes the

1623
01:39:39,450 --> 01:39:45,120
the effective GUID. Or whatever
we need whatever we need, we

1624
01:39:45,120 --> 01:39:48,270
literally put it into DNS is
that a crazy thought? That

1625
01:39:48,270 --> 01:39:51,930
Dave Jones: is a fantastic idea.
Actually. That's a great idea.

1626
01:39:52,590 --> 01:39:56,190
Like if, if they came together
in sort of a coalition format, I

1627
01:39:56,190 --> 01:39:58,530
mean, they've already got the
PSP or whatever they could do.

1628
01:39:59,010 --> 01:40:02,370
They could come together. In do
a TLD Yep,

1629
01:40:02,400 --> 01:40:04,800
Adam Curry: you can do your
verification through that you

1630
01:40:04,800 --> 01:40:08,790
can do it, make it make it
basically a part of your hosting

1631
01:40:08,790 --> 01:40:12,150
service. Oh, and you get this
name, you get this, this

1632
01:40:12,180 --> 01:40:16,530
subdomain or you get this domain
name dot, you know, podcast or

1633
01:40:16,530 --> 01:40:20,400
whatever whatever it is. Great
idea. Isn't that the kind of the

1634
01:40:20,400 --> 01:40:22,980
solution then we use the
infrastructure of the internet.

1635
01:40:23,400 --> 01:40:30,540
We have the the safety, the
confidence of the hosting

1636
01:40:30,540 --> 01:40:35,970
companies Guess we trust them.
And also make it possible for

1637
01:40:35,970 --> 01:40:39,030
Smalling hosts or companies to
come in and be a part of that,

1638
01:40:39,330 --> 01:40:41,100
you know, don't make it
exclusionary.

1639
01:40:41,910 --> 01:40:44,790
Dave Jones: It's got to be
doable, because automatic did it

1640
01:40:44,790 --> 01:40:49,170
with dot blog? Yes, I mean, in
that, and I don't think they

1641
01:40:49,170 --> 01:40:55,110
would have. I mean, if you
spread the sort of the cost and

1642
01:40:55,110 --> 01:41:00,090
the the administration across a
coalition of companies, yeah,

1643
01:41:00,480 --> 01:41:03,660
surely that's an absorbable
cost. It's not too burdensome. I

1644
01:41:03,660 --> 01:41:05,160
would think. I

1645
01:41:05,940 --> 01:41:08,250
Adam Curry: think of all the
things we could put into that.

1646
01:41:08,790 --> 01:41:12,060
Dave Jones: Yeah. For real.
That's a super idea. Yeah. Well,

1647
01:41:12,060 --> 01:41:12,300
there

1648
01:41:12,300 --> 01:41:14,820
Adam Curry: it is. There's the
one idea for the day finally we

1649
01:41:14,820 --> 01:41:15,330
got came

1650
01:41:15,330 --> 01:41:18,600
Dave Jones: in the end it came
in the donation segments. Oh, my

1651
01:41:18,600 --> 01:41:27,600
God. Yes. See Jean being 2022.
He says, By the way, I love what

1652
01:41:27,600 --> 01:41:30,090
you love that you're driving
forward on the activity club

1653
01:41:30,090 --> 01:41:31,500
stuff, Dave? Yes. Thank you,
man.

1654
01:41:31,620 --> 01:41:34,320
Adam Curry: By the way, Ice Cube
Ice Cube soup says Welcome to my

1655
01:41:34,320 --> 01:41:38,040
suggestion from two years ago.
Okay, man. All right, man.

1656
01:41:38,040 --> 01:41:41,970
Sorry. Well, thank you. Ice Cube
soup. Your idea? Your idea?

1657
01:41:43,200 --> 01:41:44,850
Dave Jones: We'll give you
credit. Yeah, the book No

1658
01:41:44,850 --> 01:41:49,530
problem. Comic Strip blogger.
Oh, wait, no. He came in

1659
01:41:49,530 --> 01:41:50,580
earlier. Let me see. He

1660
01:41:50,580 --> 01:41:54,210
Adam Curry: did. He's Yeah, he
had to do. He's got his big AI

1661
01:41:54,210 --> 01:41:55,590
test. Oh,

1662
01:41:55,590 --> 01:41:57,990
Dave Jones: yeah. That's right.
So I'll come back to the blog to

1663
01:41:57,990 --> 01:42:03,420
the CSBs. Long Yank 2345 through
podcasts guru says AC frequency

1664
01:42:03,420 --> 01:42:06,210
boost. I used to be in the
security industry and one

1665
01:42:06,210 --> 01:42:09,780
manufacturer base the alarm
system clock on either 50 or 60

1666
01:42:09,780 --> 01:42:13,020
Hertz. Many customers,
particularly rural ones often

1667
01:42:13,020 --> 01:42:16,110
complain their clock was wrong.
And the manufacturer told us it

1668
01:42:16,110 --> 01:42:18,690
was because the power grid
frequency was not exact go

1669
01:42:18,690 --> 01:42:19,470
podcasting.

1670
01:42:21,900 --> 01:42:23,760
Adam Curry: About that. Yeah.
Yeah,

1671
01:42:23,760 --> 01:42:27,390
Dave Jones: that seems like a
sketchy thing to do. I agree.

1672
01:42:29,700 --> 01:42:32,520
Bill Prague, he's a hive guy.
2000 SATs through founding. He

1673
01:42:32,520 --> 01:42:35,760
says you are already using a
decentralized database with

1674
01:42:35,760 --> 01:42:38,970
unique identifiers as usernames.
You are just not using it for

1675
01:42:38,970 --> 01:42:42,600
unique identifiers. Heard no
complaints about pod things. So

1676
01:42:42,600 --> 01:42:48,870
I'm assuming it works just fine.
Insert hive joke. Thank you,

1677
01:42:48,870 --> 01:42:54,390
Bill. Kevin Bay 11 722. Through
pod verse. He says, Here are the

1678
01:42:54,390 --> 01:42:57,900
stats I received for hosting
podcasts on my IPFS node along

1679
01:42:57,900 --> 01:43:01,320
with the extra 10k as a thanks
for everything you do.

1680
01:43:02,340 --> 01:43:04,590
Adam Curry: Thank you. Thank you
very much, man. That's kind of

1681
01:43:04,590 --> 01:43:04,830
you.

1682
01:43:06,420 --> 01:43:09,000
Dave Jones: Oh, Jean being came
in with a 1337 through pod

1683
01:43:09,000 --> 01:43:12,240
versus as Dave, regarding
monitoring of the index, do you

1684
01:43:12,240 --> 01:43:15,000
have a specific endpoint you
would like watched? In the last

1685
01:43:15,000 --> 01:43:17,040
show? It kind of sounded like
you had something specific in

1686
01:43:17,040 --> 01:43:19,650
mind asking you because I think
odds are good that I can do this

1687
01:43:19,650 --> 01:43:28,680
monitoring for you. I would
monitor the the iTunes look up

1688
01:43:28,680 --> 01:43:31,860
endpoint. That's an open
endpoint that doesn't need an

1689
01:43:31,860 --> 01:43:38,220
API key. And that will just just
pick a podcast hours or

1690
01:43:38,220 --> 01:43:42,600
something. And just do a look up
on it every few minutes. Hit it

1691
01:43:42,630 --> 01:43:47,310
and see if it if everything's
kosher, right. Yeah, that's a

1692
01:43:47,310 --> 01:43:52,050
good one. Thank you, Jean.
Appreciate it. Oh, see we got

1693
01:43:52,050 --> 01:43:56,100
Oh, our podcast. 500,000 SATs.

1694
01:43:56,730 --> 01:43:57,540
Adam Curry: Oh, hold

1695
01:43:57,540 --> 01:44:04,200
Unknown: on a second. Bala. Shot
Carla 20 is Blaze on am Paula.

1696
01:44:04,320 --> 01:44:06,480
Adam Curry: That's nice. I gotta
go check the channel liquidity

1697
01:44:06,480 --> 01:44:06,870
now.

1698
01:44:07,710 --> 01:44:11,730
Dave Jones: Yeah, very heavy.
David Adam, I heard you're

1699
01:44:11,730 --> 01:44:14,370
pleased prospectively find those
pesky duplicates in the

1700
01:44:14,370 --> 01:44:17,160
database. And I'm eager to try
and solve this with my AR

1701
01:44:17,160 --> 01:44:20,820
skills. And my first check. I
did not find any duplicates

1702
01:44:20,820 --> 01:44:24,300
based on URLs. But should I be
using other attributes to define

1703
01:44:24,300 --> 01:44:27,570
duplicate entries? My quick look
at dupes. Based on podcast

1704
01:44:27,570 --> 01:44:33,360
gewiss guid was shocking to say
the least. Yes, so you'll never

1705
01:44:33,360 --> 01:44:35,820
find a duplicate URL because
those are unique. There's a

1706
01:44:35,820 --> 01:44:41,490
unique constraint. Right? What
you can look at is a combination

1707
01:44:41,520 --> 01:44:52,080
of title and episodes. So if you
find a podcast that has some

1708
01:44:52,080 --> 01:44:59,550
threshold of the same title, and
the same in a in a similar count

1709
01:44:59,550 --> 01:45:05,490
of EPA So titles that both
match. So something like, well

1710
01:45:05,490 --> 01:45:08,430
in the downloadable database,
what you're looking at is the

1711
01:45:08,430 --> 01:45:12,390
only episode title you'll see is
like the most recent one. So you

1712
01:45:12,390 --> 01:45:16,140
can see what the most recent.
I'm sorry, it's not tied on.

1713
01:45:16,320 --> 01:45:18,900
Excuse me. That's episode
enclosure.

1714
01:45:19,410 --> 01:45:23,310
Adam Curry: Enclosure enclosure.
Oh, yeah, that's the one. So

1715
01:45:23,310 --> 01:45:27,360
Dave Jones: if you see conflicts
there also check for there's a

1716
01:45:27,360 --> 01:45:31,020
thing in there called hash a see
hash. There's a few different

1717
01:45:31,020 --> 01:45:33,030
hashes in there, check for
conflicts on those check for

1718
01:45:33,030 --> 01:45:38,730
conflicts on image art URLs.
Blood look looks look around

1719
01:45:38,730 --> 01:45:41,130
through there, you'll find a
good combination that will give

1720
01:45:41,130 --> 01:45:45,330
you clues as to as to good
conflicts. Yeah, thank you for

1721
01:45:45,330 --> 01:45:48,210
doing that. And they like and
paying us for it. Thank you so

1722
01:45:48,210 --> 01:45:48,600
much.

1723
01:45:49,740 --> 01:45:51,690
Adam Curry: That's that's a
beautiful baller boosts man

1724
01:45:51,690 --> 01:45:53,910
thank you. I haven't seen one of
those in a while. I love that.

1725
01:45:54,210 --> 01:45:57,060
Dave Jones: Yeah, that's
awesome. Thank you brother. And

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Sister blogger 30 3015 through
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bros. Madam. This is this is the
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2023 I'll be back in 2024 Yo,
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Adam Curry: CSB. Thank you so
much. And do you have any any

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monthlies? Yeah,

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Dave Jones: yeah, we got we got
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$20 Thank you, Sean. Christopher
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Cohen, glotzbach $5, James
Sullivan $10. And Jordan

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Dunnville $10. And we also got a
Kevin Bay donation from the

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endowment fund $3.54. Nice. He
says monthly donation from the

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endowment Happy Thanksgiving,
Happy

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Adam Curry: Thanksgiving to you
Happy Thanksgiving to everybody

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who supports Well, everybody in
general, but everybody supports

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us in one of the three T's,
which is time, talent, and

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treasure. And we really
appreciate that if you'd like to

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support the project. If you'd
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happens here, including the
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buttons. One is for your Fiat
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up and shoot it over to us. We
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love all of that stuff. And we
really appreciate your support

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of the entire project and the
podcast. And just before we go,

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because I know Tom and Kevin,
listen, these are the right

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guys, by the way, they I just
when we came in, yes, Ice Cube

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soup. The DNS ID has been
discussed over and over and over

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again, what's new here is the
pod Standards Project. This is

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this is the group, this is what
the group can do to have a TLD

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to communicate amongst each
other. So you know, whatever the

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reg and it costs, like 100 or
200 grand, you know, I think to

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get one of these, there's and
you have to be checked, you have

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to be a proper organization. You
got to you know, turn to left

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and cough and there's all this
stuff you got to do. I have a

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feeling that this is a very
interesting idea for this would

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be the real quote unquote,
industry. And and it will be no

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I'm gonna have a company like
Buzzsprout and have some of the

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bigger guys all participate in
this will be fantastic. What

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exactly Dave, but at first
glance, because the whole point

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of this is we want we have
special textfields that we have,

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what are the things we want to
centralize centralized through

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this distributed DNS system? Is
it the GUID is I mean, what are

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all the things we need to put in
there?

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Dave Jones: I think this could
replace I think this could

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become the GUID just becomes the
good. All right. Yeah, that your

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TLD I mean, your podcast gets a
to gets a gets a domain, you

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know, behind the schemes gets
behind the schemes dot podcast.

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And that's just now you're good.
And we would put in a TXT record

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where the feed URL is.

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Adam Curry: And can we do
verification through this as

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well? I guess that would be a
simple thing. Oh, for sure.

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Yeah.

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Dave Jones: Yeah, you could put
a signature in there some sort

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of demark type type setup. But
instead of email, as you know,

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this is solving it for for
podcast verification. I think

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it's does this

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Adam Curry: in fact, is this a
part of the Fed ification of the

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index as well? Oh, absolutely.

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Dave Jones: Yeah, absolutely. Is
this is like, a fantastic way to

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edify

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Adam Curry: the main thing is,
it has to be an org, that can't

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be jacked by somebody. You know,
that's the main thing. It would

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have to be some kind of a real
nonprofit that does this. And

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this is where everybody can get
in there and have their board

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01:49:46,950 --> 01:49:50,640
meetings and have all your
important hats on and stuff. So

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we solve a whole bunch of
problems. Yeah.

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Dave Jones: I love this idea. I
really hope. I will be advocate

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I will be an advocate for this.
I want this to happen. Great.

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Adam Curry: Thank you very much
chat room for being with us. For

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those you in America on this
holiday, although maybe we're

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just a very welcome distraction
for you because who wants to

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really talk to your relatives? I

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Dave Jones: mean, thanks for
dare to Darren T for like, yes.

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Darren

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Adam Curry: and Jean. Thank you
guys very much. Yeah, I think

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Darren and Jean, thank you so
much. And I'll get my own server

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up and running. Dave, Happy
Thanksgiving, my brother.

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Dave Jones: Happy Thanksgiving
to you. Have a good weekend.

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Yes.

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Adam Curry: Have a great
weekend, everybody. We'll be

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back next week with another
episode of podcasting. 2.0 It's

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the boardroom of all boardrooms
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