Dec. 4, 2023

Solar Activity // NASA’s Fermi Mission // Day That Changed Astronomy | S26E145

Solar Activity // NASA’s Fermi Mission // Day That Changed Astronomy | S26E145

The Space News Podcast.
SpaceTime Series 26 Episode 145
*Solar activity likely to peak next year.
A new study claims the Sun will reach the peak of its eleven year solar Cycle next year. The current Solar cycle -- 25 began in December 2019 with a...

The Space News Podcast.
SpaceTime Series 26 Episode 145
*Solar activity likely to peak next year.
A new study claims the Sun will reach the peak of its eleven year solar Cycle next year. The current Solar cycle -- 25 began in December 2019 with a minimum smoothed sunspot number of 1.8.
NASA’s Fermi Mission nets 300 gamma-ray pulsars … and counting
A new catalogue shows that NASA’s Fermi Gamma-ray Space Telescope has discovered 294 gamma-ray-emitting pulsars, while another 34 suspects await confirmation.
*A day that changed astronomy for ever
Back on the 17th of August 2017 astronomers were for the first time ever able to measure the violent death spiral of a pair of neutron stars using both conventional electromagnetic telescopes and the relatively new field of gravitational wave laser interferometry.
*The Science Report
Ozone levels above Antarctica may not be recovering after all. Inhaling air pollution while sitting in traffic associated with an increase in blood pressure.
Study claims city dwelling bees tend to have bigger brains than their country cousins.
Skeptic's guide to the 2023 Bent Spoon Awards

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Professor Matthew Bailes from OzGrav the ARC Centre of Excellence for Gravitational Wave Discovery
Mars Odyssey deputy project scientist Laura Kerber from JPL
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Alex Zaharov-Reutt from techadvice.life
Tim Mendham from Australian Skeptics
Jonathan Nally from Sky and Telescope Magazine
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This is Spacetime Series twenty six,
Episode one hundred and forty five, for

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broadcast on the fourth of December twenty
twenty three. Coming up on Space Time,

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a new study claims the Sun's eleven
year solar cycle will peak early,

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possibly as early as next year.
NASA's Fermi mission nets three hundred gamma ray

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pulsarsn't counting, And we look back
in history at the day which changed astronomy

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forever. All that and more Coming
up on Spacetime Welcome to Space Time with

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Stuart Gary. A new study claims
the Sun will reach the peak of its

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eleven year solar cycle early, possibly
next year. Solar Cycle twenty five began

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in December twenty nineteen with a solar
minimums smooth sunspot number of one point eight.

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It's expected to continue until twenty thirty. It marks the twenty fifth solar

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cycles since seventeen fifty five, when
extensive recording of solar sunspot activity first began.

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The Solar Cycle twenty five Prediction Panel
thinks the current cycle will be similar

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to the previous solar cycle twenty four, which was especially weak. The Sun's

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solar cycles trigger space weather events,
which can have dramatic effects on Earth.

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Space. Weather is a sudden flood
of energy and ionized particles such as protons,

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electrons, and atomic nuclei, triggered
by powerful eruptions of solar flares and

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chronal mass ejections on the surface of
the Sun. Solar flares are explosions of

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energy caused by the sudden snapping of
tangled and twisted magnetic field lines known as

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flux robes, emanating from sunspots on
the solar surface. Sunspots are cooler regions

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on the Sun's surface that appear darker
than surrounding areas. That's because the magnetic

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field lines reach out into space from
deep inside the Sun, prevents some of

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the heat from within the Sun reaching
the surface. Because the Sun's not solid,

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that a big ball of plasma.
Different latitudes of the Sun rotate at

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different rates, causing these magnetic field
lines to become tangled and twisted. Eventually

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they snap, realigning through magnetic reconnection
in the process, producing an eruption of

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the electromagnetic energy called a solar flare, which, when facing the Earth,

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can reach the planet in just eight
point three minutes. If the solar flares

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are powerful enough, they'll also eject
billions of tons of chronal plasma and embedded

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magnetic field frozen in flux. Exploding
out of the Sun. It speeds them

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up to three thousand kilometres per second, which, if facing the Earth,

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can reach the planet in just fifteen
to eighteen hours. When these geomagnetic storms

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reach the Earth, the flux of
ionized particles slam into the planet's magnetic field,

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called the magnetosphere. They're then guided
by the Earth's magnetic field lines through

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the ionosphere region already filled with church
particles, down to towards the North and

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South magnetic poles. As these charred
streams of plasma travel through the Earth's upper

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atmosphere, they collide with oxygen and
nitrogen atoms and molecules, causing them to

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excite and emit photons, giving off
a glow and producing colorful curtain like displays

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known as the Northern and Southern lights, the Aurora borealis and Aurora straalus.

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The colours being emitted depend on the
particles being ionized. Reddish brown glows are

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caused by the collision of particles with
single oxygen atoms in the Earth's upper atmosphere,

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usually above three hundred kilometers lower down
a green hue created by single oxygen

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atoms. Down to altitudes of around
one hundred kilometers, the kaleidoscope turns a

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whitish, shallow beige when nitrogen is
mixed in with the oxygen. Aurora can

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also exhibit a blue, red,
or even purple glow in the lower atmosphere,

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caused by the excitation of molecular nitrogen
below one hundred kilometers. However,

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as well as these spectacular aurora light
shows, these highly charged particles can also

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damage or even destroy spacecraft by shotting
up their electronics and destroying circuits. They

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also cause the atmosphere to expand and
contract, increasing atmosphere dragon orbiting spacecraft,

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resulting in premature orbital decay and the
need to use up more fuel in order

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to maintain an operational orbit. Worse
still, space whether can increase the level

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of radiation exposure astronauts experience, affecting
their health. On the ground, the

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solar storms can overload power lines,
causing widespread blackouts. Back in nineteen eighty

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nine, one such geomagnetic storm blue
out transformers, causing blackouts across most of

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eastern North America. Space weather also
affects communications and navigation systems, and it

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forces polar airline flights to be rerouted
to lower latitudes, using up more fuel.

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All space weather activity increases and decreases
in line with a solar cycle.

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However, predicting when the peak of
the solar cycle is going to occur,

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time known as solar maximum or solar
max for short, remains challenging. The

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solar cycles produced by a dynamo mechanism
driven by energy from plasma flows deep inside

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the Sun. This dynamo mechanisms understood
to involve two primary components of the Sun's

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magnetic field, one of which manifests
in the cycle of sunspots, and the

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other which manifests in the cycling of
large scale dipole fields in the Sun.

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The latter is much like the Earth's
magnetic field, stretching from one pole of

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the Sun to the other. As
with the cycle of sunspots, the Sun's

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dipole field is also observed to wax
and wane in strength, and this also

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happens over an eleven year cycle.
Back in nineteen thirty five, Swiss astronomer

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Max Voltmeyer discovered that the faster the
rate of rise of a sunspot cycle,

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the stronger its strength, so stronger
cycles take less time to rise to their

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peak intensity. This relationships often been
utilized to forecast the strength of a sunspot's

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cycle based on observations of its early
rising phase. The new study, reported

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in the Monthly Notices of the Royal
Astronomical Society claim scientists to find a new

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relationship which shows that a decrease in
the rate of the Sun's dipole magnetic field

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is also related to the rate of
rise in the ongoing sunspots cycle. This

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new discovery, utilizing decades old data
from archives of mudible ground based solar observatories

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around the world, complements to Voltmeyer
effect, connecting the two primary magnetic field

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components of the Sun and supporting the
theory that the evolution of sunspots are integral

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to the functioning of the solar dynamic
process, rather than nearly being a symptom

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of it. The authors believe they've
now demonstrated how observations the rate of the

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decrease in the Sun's dipole magnetic field
can be usefully combined with sunspot observations to

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predict when the ongoing cycle is likely
to peak, and their analysis suggests that

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solar max for cycle twenty five is
most likely to occur early next year,

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with an uncertainty in the estimate ranging
as late as September twenty twenty four.

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Needless to say, we'll keep you
informed. This space time still to come.

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NASA's Fermi Space Telescope net's three hundred
gamma ray pulses in counting, and

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we look back in history at a
day which changed astronomy forever. All that

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are more still to come on space
time. A new catalog shows that NASA's

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Fermi Gammaray Space Telescope has now discovered
two hundred and ninety four gamma ray meeting

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pulsars, with another thirty four suspects
still awaiting confirmation. The findings, reported

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in the Astrophysical Journal, represents a
twenty sevenfold increase compared to the number nine

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before the missions launched back in two
thousand and eight. PULSA has touched on

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a wide range of astrophysical research projects, from cosmic rays and stellar revolution to

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the search for gravitational waves and dark
matter. The studies, coordinated David Smith

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from the Bordeau Astrophysics Laboratory in France, says the new catalog compiles full information

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on all known gamma ray pulsars in
an effort to promote new avenues of exploration.

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Pulsars are rapidly spinning Neutron stars the
Sun size leftovers of massive stars between

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eight and twenty times the mass of
our Sun, which have run out of

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nuclear fuel and exploded a supernovae.
Neutron stars contain more mass than our Sun,

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but compact it into a ball less
than twenty kilometres cross put. Simply,

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they represent the densest known matter in
the universe other than black holes.

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They possess strong magnetic fields, produce
streams of energetic particles, and can spin

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rapidly, the fastest at more than
seven hundred and sixteen times per second.

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Pulsars emit narrow beams of energy that
sweep across the universe as they rotate like

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a lighthouse speaking, and when one
of these beams happened to sweep past the

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Earth, astronomers can detect a pulse
of emission. The new catalog represents the

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work of one hundred and seventy scientists
across the planet. A dozen radio telescopes

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carried out regular monitoring of thousands of
pulsars and radio astronomers search for new pulsars

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within gamma ray sources discovered by FERMI. Other astronomers manage to tease out gamma

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ray pulsars that have no radio counterpart
through millions of laborious hours of computer calculations,

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a process called blind search. Of
the three thousand, four hundred pulsars

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now known, most of them are
observed through their radio waves and located within

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our Milky Way galaxy, but about
ten percent also pulsing gamma rays, the

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highest energy form of light. Visible
lights energies ranging from two to three electron

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vaults fermi's Large Area Telescope and detect
gamma rays with billions of times that amount

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of energy, and other facilities have
observed emissions thousands of times greater still from

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the nearby Villa pulsar, the brightest
persistent source of gamma rays in the sky.

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The Villa pulsa and its famous sibling, the Crab Nebula a young solitary

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objects formed at eleven thousand, nine
hundred and seventy years ago, respectively.

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Their emissions arise as their magnetic fields
spin through space, but this also gradually

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slows down their rotation. The younger
crab pulses currently spinning it around thirty times

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per second, or the villa pulsa
clocks in about a third is fast.

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Paradoxically, though, some pulses that
are a thousand times older still spin much

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faster. One example of these so
called millisecond pulsars is Jay eighteen twenty four

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minus twenty four to fifty two a. It swalls around at some three hundred

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and twenty eight times per second,
and with an age of about thirty million

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years, it ranks among the youngest
of the known millisecond pulsars. Thanks to

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a great combination of gamma ray brightness
and smooth spin down, the millisecond pulsa

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J twelve thirty one minus fourteen eleven
has become known as an ideal timer used

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for gravitational wave searches. By monitoring
a collection of stable millisecond pulsars, astronomers

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hope to link timing changes to passing
low frequency gravitational waves ripples in space time

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a capy detected by current gravitational wave
observatories. It was discovered in one of

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the first radio searchers targeting fermi gamma
ray sources not associated with any no counterpart

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at other wavelengths a technique that's turned
out to be exceptionally successful. Before Fermi

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scientists didn't know if mereisecond pulsars could
be visible at high energies, but it

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turns out most of them can,
most of them do radiating gamma rays,

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and they now make up half of
the catalog. The presence of millisecond pulsars

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in binary systems offers astronomers the clue
to understanding the aid spin paradox. Now

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left to itself, a puls us
emissions will slow down as it ages,

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and as the spin slows, their
emissions also dim But if closely paired with

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a normal star, the pulsar can
literally pull a stream of matter off its

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companion that over time and causes it
to spin up again. In other words,

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it'll start spinning faster. So called
spider systems offer a glimpse of what

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happens next. They're classified as red
backs and black widows, aimed after spiders,

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which are known for consuming their mates. Black widows have lightweight companions,

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usually less than about five percent the
mass of the sun, while redbacks tend

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to have heavier partners. As the
pulsar spins up, its emissions and particle

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outflows becomes so invigorated that process still
fully understood, it heats up and slowly

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evaporates its companion. The most energetic
spiders may fully evaporate their partners, leaving

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only an isolated millisecond pulsar behind.
An analysis of twelve years of Fermi data

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reveals long term spin variations much larger
than those seen in other millisecond pulsars.

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Another pulsa, J fifteen to fifty
five minus twenty nine eight is a black

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widow pulsa with a surprise. It's
gravitytional web may have snared a passing planet.

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Astronomers think a model of developed which
incorporates the planet as a third body

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in a wide orbit around the pulsar
and its companion star, probably describes the

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changes they're seeing a little bit better
than any other possible explanation, but they

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admit they still need a few more
years of firm the observations in order to

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confirm it. Other curious binaries include
so called transitional pulsars such as J ten

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twenty three plus double zero thirty eight. An erratic stream of gas flowing from

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the companion to the neutron star can
surge, suddenly, forming a disc around

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the pulsa, which can persist for
years. The disc shines brightly in optical

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light, X rays and gamma rays, but its pulses become undetectable. Then,

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when the disc vanishes, so is
the high energy light, but the

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pulses return and again. Some pulsars
don't require a partner to speed things up.

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Good example of this is J twenty
twenty one plus forty twenty six.

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It's a young, isolated pulsa located
four thousand, nine hundred light years away.

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It underwent a puzzling mode change in
twenty eleven, dimming its gamma rays

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over a period of just a week, and then years later slowly returning to

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its original brightness. No one's quite
sure why. Similar behavior had already been

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seen in other radio pulsars, but
this is the first time it was seen

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in gamma ray pulsar. Astronomers suspect
the event may have been triggered by crustal

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cracks that temporarily changed to pulsar's magnetic
field further afield. Back in twenty fifteen,

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Fermi discovered the first gamma ray pulsa
in another galaxy, the neighboring large

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Magellanic Cloud, and in twenty twenty
one, astronomers announced the discovery of a

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giant gamma ray flare from a different
type of neutron star called a magnetar,

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located in the Sculptor Galaxy, about
eleven point four million light years away,

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so more than fifteen years after its
launch. NASA's Fermi space Tulskirt remains an

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incredible discovery machine. This space time
still come. We look at a day

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which changed astronomical history, and later
in the Science report, a new study

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warns that ozone levels above Antarctica may
not be recovering after all. All that

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and more still to come on space
time. Back on the seventeenth of August

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twenty seventeen, astronomers were for the
first time ever able to measure the violent

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death spiral of a pair of neutron
stars using both conventional electromagnetic telescopes and the

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relatively new field of gravitational wave laser
into ferometry. The historic event, together

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with a subsequent gamma ray bursted produced, is considered a major landmark of astrophysical

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discovery, confirming once and for all
that neutron stars can create stellar mass black

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holes when they collapse. The collision
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hundred and twenty eight and two hundred
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nine ninety three, an elliptical galaxy
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in the constellation Hydra. The merger
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electromagnetic spectrum, but the real star
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in gravitational waves by the Lego Virgo
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Professor Matthew Bales from OSGRAV, the
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says it was the first time that
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the light it emitted and the gravitational
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time. Just one point seven seconds
after the gravitational waves were detected, a

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sudden burst of gamma rays hit the
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ray burst or killinova, produced by
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flash of the event reached Earth eleven
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data was virtually unparalleled in modern astrophysics. Scientists had already hypothesized that colliding neutron

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the universe, but actually witnessing the
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collision, cataloged in gravitational waves as
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rays as GiB seventeen eight seventeen a, has gone down in history as the

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dawn of a new era of gravitational
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in the journal Science, at hundreds
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telescopes. In Australia, the osgrav
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and soon had their sky mapp At
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view. Astronomers at the University of
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crucial information about the brightness and wavelengths
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Ul Scientists with CASTRO the University of
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Array at Narrabri and Rural New South
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to confirm the radio emissions coming from
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things to come out of this merger
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gravitational waves was the same as light
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trillion in the process, verifying a
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than a century to nineteen fifteen.
And it doesn't end there. In October

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twenty eighteen, scientists studying the event
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they gained from gravitational wave events,
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to determine the Hubble constant, which
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of the universe. The two earlier
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based on redshifts and the other based
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different values, which may one day
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candle. Baiales says well, the
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Future similar events will tell scientists even
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This is what would be way for
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And there it was. On the
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stars, each half a million times
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in radius, tore each other apart, and they sent out this burst of

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gravitational waves that whacked into the Ligo
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one point seven seconds. It was
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that flushed past the Earth. The
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we get a Gavaray burst. Nobody
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burst was. We now know that
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solved in two seconds. The other
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of gravitation white waves or gravity for
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of light. There's just four parts
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stat The two neutron stars sent ours
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to determine which galaxy it came from. And virtually every telescope on the planet

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was looking at this thing. And
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when a very heavy neutron starts.
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neutron star. So I think there's
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to happen. And to the memory
of Sunny Time, let's professor Matthew Bales

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from osgrav the AC Center of Excellence
for Gravitational Wave Discovery, and this space

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Time Time that to take a brief
look at some of the other stories making

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news in science this week with a
science report. A new study warns that

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ozone levels above Antarctica may not be
recovering after all, and changes in the

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Southern Hemisphere's atmosphere may be contributing to
the persistence of the ozone hole. The

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ozone hole over Antarctica usually emerges around
August and stays open until the end of

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November, but it's always been thought
that total ozone levels were slowly recovering following

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ozone depletion substances being banned. However, a new study reported in the journal

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Nature Communications has now found that over
the last twenty years there's actually been a

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twenty six percent reduction in the core
of the ozone hole over Antarctica. During

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the middle of this period, usually
around October. The research also found that

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when they added the most recent satellite
data into the observations, the trend towards

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recovery of total ozone disappeared. The
research has found that these changes may be

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driven by alterations in the atmospheric layer
directly above the ozone layer and you study

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warns that inhaling unfiltered air pollution while
sitting in traffic is associated with a four

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point five millimeter increase in your blood
pressure. The findings reported in the Annals

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of Internal Medicine are based on a
study which saw sixteen people aged twenty two

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to forty five driven through traffic in
a busy US city for three days,

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either using a real filter to clean
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one that allowed unfiltered air through.
By monitoring their blood pressure before, during,

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after each drive, researchers found that
drives in unfiltered vehicles associated with increases

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in blood pressure compared to drives with
the filter, and that suggests that are

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health risks associated with sitting in traffic, but they can be mitigated with effective

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air filtration. The biological words abuzz
with news flying about that city, dwelling

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bees tend to have bigger brains than
their country cousins. The findings, reported

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in the journal Biology Letters, is
based on a study which measured the brain

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and body size of three hundred and
thirty five bees from eighty nine species,

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finding that bees who hang around urban
environments tend to have bigger brains relative to

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their body size compared to their country
bumpkin counterparts. The authors say it's the

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first evidence of the so called cognitive
buffer theory in insects, which suggests that

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larger brains allow animals to adapt their
behavior better to a changing environment. Television

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reporter Ross Coulthard has won the Australian
Skeptics twenty twenty three Bentz Spoon Award.

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Coulthard was given the award for his
ongoing investigations into unidentified flying objects and alien

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life forms from other planets. A
highly covered at trophy is the highlight of

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the annual Skepticon conference, which this
year was held in Melbourne. The award

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is presented annually to the individual or
organization Australian Skeptics believed to be the perpetrator

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of the most preposterous piece of paranormal
pseudo scientific pefol Past winners have included the

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Australian Broadcasting Corporation for its lack of
journalistic integrity, so an Across University for

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offering a degree course in naturopathy,
the csro's chief Larry Marshall for his support

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of water divining, and the University
of Wollongong for proving that you don't need

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to be especially bright or scientifically accurate
to be awarded a doctorate. Of course,

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Courtard is a former Maudiple Walkley's winner, the Walkleys themselves having lost a

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lot of credibility, with one of
the hosts described as a hardened Palestinian activist

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and at least one past winner being
given the award for her reporting is fact

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they now discredited still doss yet Russian
collusion story. If she was a real

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investigative reporter, she would have worked
it out for herself to mend them from

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strands skeptics, as many journalistic colleagues
were surprised when they found out as this

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is Ben Spoon when it was We've
been giving out the bens Through award now

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for forty years and it's always it
was the highlight of what people look forward

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to. Covers a wide variety of
candidates and nominations, but this time was

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particularly interesting. We had some nominations
from a government senators notorious for being shall

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we say, the pompous about climate
change and his prognostications, trying to trip

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people up. We've got a natural
Path of Australian natural path who's been banded

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in Australia but is active overseas.
And we've had the Special Broadcasting Service which

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has had an interesting program about allowing
you Regala to talk about how wonderful Yury

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Galer is. But none of those
one souse. The person who actually won

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the award was a Walkley Award journalism
winner who's now added another prize to his

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list of Ben Spoon Award, and
that was Ross Coultart is a well known

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Australian journalist. He won because of
he's changed in a way from his investigative

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journalism. He's still using that description, but he's then investigating UFOs and unfortunately

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as an investigative journalism, he's now
purely relying on third party claims which he

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believes totally no evidence. He keeps
talking about, obviously the recent claims about

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UFOs and things technology that's available,
machines that are crashed and being taken apart

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by various government bodies of aliens,
all that sort of stuff. He believes

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they exist, he's never seen them. The people he's spoken to largely haven't

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well, haven't seen them, and
admit as much. But he will.

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He's outputting for without this supposed evidence
that's out there in favor of aliens,

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and unfortunately it just doesn't stack up. So as an investigative journalist, seems

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to me he swept aside down.
What does it say about the standard of

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journalism in Australia, especially as there's
a lot of criticism about the walkleays of

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late That's right, Yeah, the
Walkers haven't been without their own controversy and

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it's happened in the past too large. Sort of follows the same pattern,

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doesn't it. It does to a
certder standard. It depends on the individual.

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Sometimes they're their standards slips somewhat.
Sometimes the standards slip a lot.

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Has been any reaction from mister Kiltard, not so far. Let me just

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make one point actually about Coiltard and
his investigative journalism sort of journalists mostly based

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on evidence, right, and he
complains that people keep asking where's the evidence,

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where's the evidence? And his response
is I don't give a what they

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say, And that is pretty telling. One of the problems with kild Out

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being investigated journalists is that several times
he's rejected the need for evidence to support

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his claim. He complains about people
saying the bleeding debunkers. He says,

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to keep asking where's the evidence,
where's the evidence? And they don't think

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be interested in evidence at all.
He just rejects any criticism and just goes

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straight forward. Never let the facts
get in the way of a good story.

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Yeah, and it's going to be
interesting. Think he really believes his

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stuff. Oh, I'm sure he
does. I'm give him the feeling that

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he really does believe that. Getting
no evidence, he says he doesn't need

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to. I trust the people who
tell me. Thinks trust his sources.

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