Comet 3I ATLAS: Unveiling the Secrets of an Ancient Interstellar Wanderer

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Stuart Gary: This is space time series 29 episode

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115 full broadcast on 25

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September 2026 coming up on

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Space, a comet older than the

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sun, the nearby super Earth planet

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that might be a candidate for life, and a

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new way to study the birth of the universe.

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All that and more coming up on, uh, Space

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Time. Welcome to

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Space Time with Stuart G.

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Astronomers have found new clues about the

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origin of interstellar comet 3I ATLAS,

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suggesting it may be more than twice as old

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as our sun and solar system. The

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findings, reported in the journal Nature

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Astronomy, are based on observations by the

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European Southern Observatory's Very Large

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Telescope in Chile, which studied the

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composition of the alien visitor, which is

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now considered to be the brightest

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interstellar object ever seen in detail.

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By measuring specific chemical fingerprints,

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the first observations of this kind for a

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comet formed outside our solar system, the

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authors found that 3i Atlas likely

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originated in the outskirts of an older star

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system. One of the study's authors,

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Cyril Opitum from the University of

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Edinburgh, says the findings are shining new

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light on the formation history of this comet.

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Interstellar comets are icy objects formed

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around stars other than the sun that have

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occasionally wandered into our solar system.

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Opidib says. They're sort of fossils from a

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planetary formation process that happen far

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away but, uh, which give scientists a chance

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to study them up close. Three Eye Atlas is

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the third interstellar object ever

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discovered. It follows One Eye Omau Maua back

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in 2017 and two I Borisov in

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2019. It was found as it was approaching

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the sun, spending enough time in our solar

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system for astronomers to study it in some

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detail. While it was difficult to measure the

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composition of the first two interstellar

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objects, with no gas detected from A MAU Maua

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and Borisov being too faint, this was not the

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case for 3i Atlas. Thanks to the object's

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unprecedented brightness, the authors were

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able to measure the comet's isotopic ratios,

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the relative amounts of different forms of

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the same element. They measured the ratios of

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carbon and nitrogen isotopes in cyanide

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molecules present in the gas around the

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comet. These ratios are a good indicator of a

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comet's origin, as they're sensitive to the

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physical conditions in the formation

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environment and not expected to change much

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as the comet travels through space. Unlike

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comets from our solar system, three EYE Atlas

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was found to carry unusually high carbon and

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nitrogen isotopic ratios.

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A similar study led by Martin Cordinna from

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NASA's Goddard Space Flight Centre in

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Greenbelt, Maryland, which was published in

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last month's Nature, found a similar isotopic

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ratio for carbon, as well as elevated levels

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of deuterium, a heavy form of hydrogen.

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That study used data from NASA's Webb Space

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Telescope. Overall, the findings by

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OPITIM's team indicate that the comet likely

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formed in the outer regions of an old low

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metallicity star. Low metallicity

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stars are ones with compositions containing

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few elements heavier than hydrogen and

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helium. These types of stars are thought to

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have formed when the universe was much

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younger and less chemically rich than what it

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is now. Therefore, the authors suspect Thria

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ATLAS originated around a star much older

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than our sun and may be more than twice as

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old as the solar system. This

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interstellar traveller was first detected by

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NASA's Asteroid Terrestrial Impact Last Alert

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System back on July 1,

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2025. David Finossia from

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NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena,

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California says It was about 670 million

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kilometres the sun within the orbit of

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Jupiter when it was first discovered.

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David Finacia: 3i Atlas was discovered on July 1st by the

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NASA funded Atlas Survey. Uh, it was

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discovered using their uh, telescope at Rio

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Hurtado in Chile and it was first detected as

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a speckled light moving relative to

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background stars. We collected a good amount

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of data, more than 100 observations. We know

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its trajectory fairly well. We know it came

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from outside the solar system. Uh, from

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images we also saw that this object is

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active. We, which means that around the

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nucleus there is some coma, which is an

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indication that this object is in fact a

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comet. Right now it's hard to say how big

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this object is because being active, the

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brightness that we see is partially due to

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the size of the object, but also, uh, is

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partially due to the activity. And so we

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cannot really pinpoint the nucleus, uh, size

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directly. We have to better understand how

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active this object is and then uh, we can

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refine the size estimate and get a good idea.

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It's moving at a velocity of about

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135,000 miles per hour. So it's going

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really fast for that distance from the sun.

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This is really exceptional. You have to be an

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interstellar object to be going that fast at

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that distance from the sun. The more data we

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get, the better we can measure the position

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of this object as it travels through the

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solar system and it moves out of it. But

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we also want to collect physical

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characterization data. For instance, we would

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like to understand better what the size of

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this object could the levels of activity.

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We're just bracing ourselves to get as much

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information as possible. We're really excited

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about these objects. So far we've discovered

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three interstellar objects. The first one was

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Oumuamua, um, in 2017, the second one

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Borisov in 2019 and now we have the third

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one, 3i Atlas. So it's a rare

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opportunity and uh, as a scientific community

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we want to collect as many data as possible

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to uh, characterise this object and learn as

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much as we can.

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Stuart Gary: That's David Fanasia from NASA's Jet

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Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena,

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California. And this is space

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time still to come, the nearby

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super Earth planet that may be a candidate

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for life and a new way to study the birth of

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the universe. All that and more still to come

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on, um, space time.

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Astronomers have taken a closer look at a

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nearby exoplanet, finding it may be more

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Earth like than previously thought. The

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planet, catalogued as GJ

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3378b, orbits a small

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spectral type M red dwarf star 25 light years

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away in the direction of the northern

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constellation Camilla Padalis. A report in

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the Astrophysical Journal claims the planet

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orbits within the star's habitable zone.

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That's the region where temperatures could

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allow liquid water to exist on a planet's

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surface, thereby making this planet a

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candidate to host life. The

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study's lead author, Paul Robertson from the

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University of California, Irvine, says the

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mantra is follow the water. It's the one

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thing every known living thing on Earth

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needs. So that's the first thing astronomers

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look for when trying to find environments

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that could sustain life, at least life as we

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know it. So Robertson and colleagues took

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a closer look and found that it may be more

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Earth like than they previously thought. Red

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dwarfs are the smallest, coolest group of

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stars. They have surface temperatures of

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around 2,400 to 3,900 degrees

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degrees that compares to the sun's 6,000

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degrees. They're also much smaller and dimmer

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than our sun and often appear reddish, hence

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their name. But red dwarfs are the most

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common type of star in the galaxy, making up

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some 70% of the entire galactic stellar

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population. However, the problem with red

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dwarfs is they tend to launch stellar flares

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far more often than sun like stars. And this

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intense stellar flare activity can erode a

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planet's atmosphere, irradiating its surface

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and any life that may be on that surface.

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Also, because these stars are so dim and

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Earth like planets are so small, they can be

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very difficult to detect and require

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specialised instrumentation. So to Learn

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more about JG3378B, the

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authors used the Habitable Zone Planet Finder

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instrument on the Hobby Eberley telescope at

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the McDonald Observatory in order to study

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its host star. As the planet orbits

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the star, its gravitational force tugs on the

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star. This creates a slight wobble, a

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Doppler shift, which is visible on the host

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star. And that Doppler shift can be used to

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calculate a planet's mass and orbit. The

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habitable zone Planet Finder is optimised to

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use infrared light. As a star gets smaller

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and they get cooler, most of their energy

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comes out in infrared wavelengths. So

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astronomers put an infrared spectrometer on

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the 10 metre telescope, giving them more raw

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light collecting power to observe these faint

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stars. GJ

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3378b is described as a super

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earth that is a terrestrial or rocky planet,

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larger than the Earth, but not so big as to

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hold onto a thick atmosphere that would crush

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any life on its surface. When the planet was

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first discovered in 2024, it was thought to

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be about five times the mass of the Earth.

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But this new analysis shows it's closer to

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around 2.3 times Earth's mass. And that

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change increases the likelihood that the

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planet doesn't hold a smothering atmosphere.

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The authors also refined the planet's orbit

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down from 25 Earth days to 21.

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Uh, even though both of these are tiny orbits

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compared to, in comparison, the Earth has a

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365 day orbit with a host star roughly a

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third the size of our sun. That proximity is

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necessary to place the planet within that

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star's habitable zone. Now, that said,

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its smaller orbit also subjects the planet to

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intense radiation which could evaporate any

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atmosphere present. So more

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observations will be needed for astronomers

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to be sure. This, uh, is space time

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still to come. A new way to study the birth

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of the universe. And later in the Science

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report, the discovery of a half billion year

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old fossil which has rewritten the origin

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storey of starfish. All that and more still

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to come on, um, space time.

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Scientists have discovered a new way to

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create a glide gluon plasma, the first matter

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to form in our universe. The findings,

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reported in the journal Physical Review

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Letters, opens a new window on the first

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microseconds after the big bang, 13.8

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billion years ago. What happened in those

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first moments of the universe, before the

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building blocks of life and the world as we

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know it came into existence? Physicists at

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cern, the European Organisation for Nuclear

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Research, are trying to answer this question

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by recreating some of the extreme conditions

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that prevailed in the universe at the very

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beginning of time. Now, researchers from the

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Niels Bohr Institute, together with

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colleagues from the alice collaboration at

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CERN's Large Hadron Collider, the world's

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biggest atom smasher have come one step

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closer to understanding those conditions.

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At CERN, uh, physicists collide atomic nuclei

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at some 99.9999%

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the speed of light, in the process creating

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the tiny droplets of primordial matter that

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filled the universe during its first

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millionth of a second of creation. This

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substance is known as quark gluon plasma, and

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it's thought to have been the earliest form

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of matter in our universe. For many

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years, scientists have assumed that creating

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this plasma required collisions between very

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heavy atomic nuclei, such as leading.

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have now succeeded in creating this

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primordial matter by smashing much smaller

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nuclei of oxygen 16 and neon 20

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together. The study's lead author, uh Xiao

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Xu from the Niels Bohr Institute and the

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University of Copenhagen, says they've pushed

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the boundaries for how small the atomic

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nuclei can be while still recreating this

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quark gluon plasma. The discovery

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means scientists now know more about the

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fundamental conditions required required for

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matter to transition into this extreme state.

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This in turn will help researchers better

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understand how plasma behaved during the

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first moments of the universe and how it

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later evolved into the forms of matter that

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everything we see around us today is made of.

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When the atomic nuclei collide, their

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constituents, ah, are transformed into tiny

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droplets of quark gluon plasma that exist for

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just a fraction of a second. This droplet of

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extremely hot matter then expands.

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directly, but they can measure the particles

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that this matter turns into shortly

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afterwards. And the movement pattern of these

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particles reveals the shape of the atomic

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nucleus. Collisions between two oxygen

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nuclei produce a more rounded pattern, While

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collisions involving neon produce a more

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boiling pin shaped pattern. The particles

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from the primordial matter are, uh, directly

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governed by the geometric shape of their

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atomic nucleus. So if two atomic

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nuclei being smashed together are spherical,

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they'll produce one pattern. And if they're

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shaped like bowling pins, they'll produce

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another. By studying how the particles move

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after the collision, scientists can gain

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fresh insights into atomic nuclei that would

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otherwise be difficult to obtain. The authors

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describe it as being like shining a light on

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an object and seeing its shadow. You can't

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see the object directly, but its shadow

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reveals its shape. In the same way, the

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movement of these particles reveals reveals

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the geometric shape of the atomic nuclei

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present at the beginning of the collision.

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The shape of an atomic nucleus is not merely

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a matter of geometry. It reveals how

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protons and neutrons are organised and

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provides important information about the

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strong nuclear force, One of nature's four

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fundamental forces which scientists are still

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trying to fully understand. The others being

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the weak nuclear force, the electromagnetic

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force and gravity. That assumes, of course,

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that gravity really is a force, which it's

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probably not. Until now,

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physicists have primarily investigated

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nuclear structure at low energies by studying

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things like the rotation and vibration of

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atomic nuclei. Zhao says the precise

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understanding of nuclear structure helps

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scientists understand the strong nuclear

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force. But instead of carefully investigating

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nuclei at low energies, they've smashed

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together at the highest energies, allowing

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scientists to read their shape from the

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imprint they leave behind. Researchers still

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don't know the exact boundary when a quark,

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gluon, um, plasma can be created. So the next

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step will be to try experiments with even

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lighter nuclei, such as helium 4. The

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experiment will allow scientists to both

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learn about the structure of atomic nuclei

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and to gain a better understanding of what

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happened during the birth of the universe.

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more closely connected than previously

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And time outta. Take another brief look at

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some of the other storeys making news in

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Science this week with the Science Report.

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A major sexual health clinic in Melbourne has

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seen an almost doubling over the past decade

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of women testing positive for gonorrhoea.

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The authors analysed data from the clinic

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between 2015 and 2024, looking for the

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characteristics of women contracting

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gonorrhoea amid a rise in sexually

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transmitted diseases among women in Melbourne

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in recent years. The findings reported in the

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journal Sexual Health Cher gonorrhoea cases

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increased from 1.3% in 2015 to

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2.3% in 2024. The

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authors say the women diagnosed were

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predominantly young, had multiple casual male

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partners and used condoms in contemporary

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Consistently oral gonorrhoea saw the largest

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increase in cases during the study. Most of

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these cases are asymptomatic and can only be

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picked up through regular screening.

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The New South Wales State government has just

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passed new legislation allowing people to

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drive when under the influence of medicinal

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cannabis. The passing of this bill comes as

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Canadian researchers have analysed 40 regular

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edible cannabis users testing their driving

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skills in a simulator before and after eating

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THC gummies. The findings reported

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in the Journal of the American Medical

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association show that higher doses of

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THC led to poorer lane control, slower

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reaction times and less consistent speeds.

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And um, that's despite the participants blood

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tests showed they remained below the legal

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thresholds for driving with cannabis in

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Canada, New Zealand and now New South Wales.

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That legal limit is 5 nanograms per

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millilitre. Human

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pollution affects our entire planet,

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destroying environments wherever people go

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Now a report in the journal PLOS ONE

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describes how researchers have found plastic

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litter on more than half of their remotely

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operated dives to the bottom of the Mardel

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Plata canyon near Argentina, three kilometres

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below the sea surface. After 17

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dives in 2025, scientists analysed

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approximately 240 hours of video footage,

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finding some stationary creatures like

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starfish and corals had attached to the trash

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dumped by humans, including packets of fried

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noodles, plastic cups and even old boots.

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A few months earlier, expeditions found cans

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and plastic bags on the bottom of the Mariana

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Trench, the planet's deepest fissure in the

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western Pacific Ocean.

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The discovery of a half billion year old

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fossil has rewritten the origin history of

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starfish. Palaeontologists uncovered the

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518 million year old remains in southwestern

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China. It comes from a period of rapid

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evolutionary development known as the

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Cambrian Explosion, when most major animal

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groups first appeared in the fossil record.

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The new find, named Eugenia glunitotinica,

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uh, are thought to be closely related to the

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last common ancestor of Ambula clarians, the

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modern group that includes starfish, sea

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stars, sea urchins and acorn worms.

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A report in the journal Current Biology shows

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the new discovery ate their food using

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tentacles and not passively using their gills

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as previously thought. A,

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uh, pseudoscience and UFO researcher says

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he's uncovered evidence that four different

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types of extraterrestrial alien species have

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visited our planet. Hal Putoff, a

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former Advanced Aerospace Weapons System

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Applications programme advisor and CIA funded

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researcher, uh, claims bodies of four

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different species have been recovered from

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various UFO crashes by the US government.

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But as the sceptics Timms Mendham points out,

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uh, he's provided no evidence to support his

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claims.

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Tim Mendham: They all look a bit humanoid, which is, I

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don't know, to me, surprising. I don't know

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why aliens always have to look like humans.

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Now to our octopus people. No, no, no

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sentient bacteria or anything like that.

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There's the lizard people who look like

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lizards have tails. Uh, there's the Nordic

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who look very sort of glamour Norwegian

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looking people. There's the insect people who

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are a bit scary, look like praying mantises,

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um, and of course there's the greys, the

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cliched modern looking little people, big

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heads, big eyes, that sort of thing. They all

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have sort of hands, fingers, five, obviously

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scary in some cases, some cases benign. You

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got to look at the people who are promoting

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this stuff. I mean, obviously there's no

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evidence for it at all. There's just

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conjecture, made up, cliches, memes,

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whatever. Some of the people promoting it,

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one in particular recently is Dr. Hal

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Puthoff, who was a former

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Advanced Aerospace Weapons Systems

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Application programme revisor for it. He was

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also involved in a place called the Stanford

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Research Institute back in the 70s with a uh,

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Harold Targ partner, uh, who were

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investigating Uri Geller. And they came out

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very much in favour of Uri Geller, saying he

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had definite spoon bending talents and all

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sorts of psychic powers and things. The

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protocols that they used in their laboratory

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testing were very dodgy or at least

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questionable, let's put it that way. And

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certainly someone as sceptic is noted as

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James Randi. The late James Randi described

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them as the Laurel and Hardy of uh,

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parapsychology research. But he has come out

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recently and said that there is definitely

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these four types of UFO occupants. He

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hasn't seen them of course, but he's heard of

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them. He said testimony from members of

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supposed crash retrieval programmes who tend

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not to come forward to actually talk about

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their work because they fear for their lives.

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It's annoying that all these people with

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evidence don't come forward with it. So

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therefore you have to say, well what evidence

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do they have? I could say the, the moon is

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made of cheese. And people say where's the

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evidence? Well I can't give it to you because

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it's secret, you know. And you say right,

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okay, I'm supposed to believe that. So all

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these people who are claiming UFOs and they

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know of someone who know of someone who knows

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of someone who has seen these occupants of

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interplanetary uh, craft, there's no evidence

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for it.

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And you get people like Al Puthoff who might

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be going through attention deficit disorder.

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He wants to sort of put his hand up again

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even in his aged years or something because

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he has been around a long time, since the

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early 70s. His record is not crash shot. So

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as a source of information, despite the fact

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he supposedly has this sort of research

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background, it's not necessarily as exciting

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as it might sound to be. Not necessarily as

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respectable, uh, or reliable as it might

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sound to be. Saying I worked with the CIA on

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uh, projects in the 70s is nothing

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particularly exciting. So you see I was

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funding anything going and came out with

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nothing at the end. But anyway, Hal put off

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you're saying there's four, um, different

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types of aliens, all of whom look humanish.

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And uh, none of them any evidence for them at

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all. There was a documentary made about

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disclosure things. This is before the.

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Stuart Gary: Let's call it a mockumentary.

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Tim Mendham: It's a, it's a mockumentary with nothing new.

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It's Age of Disclosure had a lot of puffery

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before it came out and people have seen it

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say there's nothing new there. It's all the

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same old same old, same characters who keep

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appearing and being interviewed. Of course

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it's going to it's a preamble to the film,

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Spielberg film called Disclosure talks about

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alien interaction with people, etc. All sorts

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of, you know, they walk among us type things.

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No real evidence and a lot of claims but no

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evidence. And that goes on has been going on

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since the 1940s and every researcher of UFOs

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has always said any day now is going to be

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the great reveal. And that day has never

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arisen. So we're waiting. They've never

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presented, never presented any irrefutable

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anything close to irrefutable evidence. Just

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claims.

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Stuart Gary: That's the sceptics. Timms Mendham and this

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is Space Time.

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And that's the show for now. Space Time

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