June 26, 2023

S26E76: Hotter than the Sun // Feeding frenzy echo // Earth’s 19-hour long days

S26E76: Hotter than the Sun // Feeding frenzy echo // Earth’s 19-hour long days

The Space News Podcast. SpaceTime Series 26 Episode 76 *Discovery of a brown dwarf hotter than the Sun Astronomers have discovered what appears to be a brown dwarf that is hotter than the Sun. *Detection of a feeding frenzy echo emitted by our...

The Space News Podcast. SpaceTime Series 26 Episode 76 *Discovery of a brown dwarf hotter than the Sun Astronomers have discovered what appears to be a brown dwarf that is hotter than the Sun. *Detection of a feeding frenzy echo emitted by our Galaxy's black hole 200 years ago Scientists have discovered that Sagittarius A*, the supermassive black hole at the centre of the Milky Way galaxy emerged from a long period of dormancy some 200 years ago. *Earth’s 19 hour long days that lasted a billion years A new study suggests Earth’s current 24 hour long day didn’t happen gradually as the planet’s rotation slowed down – but instead changed in spurts. *The Science Report Mark Zuckerberg says the scientific establishment asked Facebook to censor posts that were really true. Scientists find a difference in your heart health depending on whether your gay straight or bi. Japan ready to discharged nuclear waste water into the ocean. Skeptics guide to birth defects from traditional Chinese medicine This week’s special guest: Uwe Kirscher from Curtin University And our regular guests: Tim Mendham from Australian Skeptics Alex Zaharov-Reutt from www.techadvice.life Jonathan Nally the editor of Australian Sky and Telescope Magazine Listen to SpaceTime on your favorite podcast app with our universal listen link: https://spacetimewithstuartgary.com/listen and access show links via https://linktr.ee/biteszHQ Additionally, listeners can support the podcast and gain access to bonus content by becoming a SpaceTime crew member through www.bitesz.supercast.com or through premium versions on Spotify and Apple Podcasts. Details on our website at https://spacetimewithstuartgary.com For more podcasts visit our HQ at https://bitesz.com
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This is Spacetime Series twenty six,
episode seventy six, for broadcast on the

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twenty sixth of June twenty twenty three. Coming up on Spacetime, discovery of

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a brown dwarf hotter than the surface
of the Sun. Detection of a feeding

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frenzy echo omitted by our galaxy supermassive
black hole two hundred years ago, and

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it seems the Earth's day was nineteen
hours long for more than a billion years.

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All that are more coming up on
Spacetime. Welcome to Spacetime with Stewart

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Garry. Astronomers have discovered what appears
to be a brown dwarf that is hotter

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than the surface of the Sun.
Amazing discovery reported in the Nature Astronomy and

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on the prepressed physics website archive dot
org. Was detected orbiting a low mass

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white dwarf star catalogged as WD double
zero three two minus three one seven.

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The white dwarf is located some one
thousand, five hundred light years away and

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has about forty percent the mass of
the Sun. It's orbiting brown dwarf subsequently

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named WD double zero three to minus
three one seven b as between seventy five

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and eighty eight times the mass of
Jupiter and a surface temperature of some eight

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thousand kelvin. By comparison, surface
temperature of the Sun is five thousand,

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seven hundred and seventy eight kelvin.
The extreme surface temperature of the brown dwarf

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is due to its orbital proximity to
the white dwarf, taking just two point

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three hours to complete each orbit.
White dwarves are the exposed cause of stars

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like our Sun, which have ceased
nuclear effusion and lost their outer layers.

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Once these gaseous outer envelopes apart,
staff all that's left is the white hot

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core at the center of the star. In the case of the Sun,

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it has a temperature of around fifteen
million degrees and that's left to slowly cool

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over time. Now, white dwarf
WD double zero three to minus three one

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seven is a lot cooler than that, with a temperature of around thirty seven

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thousand kelvin. However, the immense
radiative heat coming off this core is baking

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the nearby brown dwarf due to its
proximity. Site has first detected WD double

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zero three to minus three one seven
early in the year two thousand using the

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European Southern Observatory's very large telescope,
the VLT Chile. The authors noticed that

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something was tagging at the star,
suggesting that it had a companion, but

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the wobble was too big to be
a planet and too small to be another

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star, and that suggests that it
was a brown dwarf. Orbiting so close

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means the brown dwarf would be gravitationally
tirely locked to the star, with the

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same side always facing it. Scientists
estimate surface temperatures on the day side of

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the brown dwarf would be somewhere between
seven thousand, two hundred and fifty and

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nine thousand, eight hundred kelvin,
while over on the night side of the

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brown dwarf, temperatures would range from
one thousand, three hundred to three thousand

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kelvin. Brown dwarves have failed stars, objects which don't have enough mass to

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sustain the core hydrogen fusion process needed
to make stars shine. However, brown

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dwarves do fuse deuterium, a heavier
form of hydrogen which includes a neutron as

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well as the core proton and then
nucleus, and those above sixty five Jovian

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masses can also burn lithium while most
brown dwarves are born as such, others

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start their lives as spectral type M
red dwarf stars, but over time they

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lose enough mass during the revolution the
cease core hydrogen fusion, turning them from

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red dwarves into brown dwarves. Brown
dwarves fit into a category between the largest

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planets, which have about thirteen times
the mass of Jupiter, and the smallest

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spectral type M red dwarf stars,
which have seventy five to eighty times the

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massive Jupiter zero point zero eight solar
masses. And based on that, what

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this means is that this particular brown
dwarf is very close to being a red

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dwarf this space time still to come. Detection of a feeding frenzy echo emitted

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by a galaxy supermassive black hole two
hundred years ago, and it seems that

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Earth's day was nineteen hours long for
literally billions of years. All that and

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more still to come on space time, astronomers have discovered that Sagittarius, a

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star supermassive black hole at the center
of our mill y way galaxy, emerged

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from a long period of dormancy some
two hundred years ago to undertake a feeding

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frenzy. A report in the journal
Nature claims the monster, which has some

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four point three million times the mass
of our son, awakened as material came

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too close and was then torn apart
by the black hole's immense gravitational title forces.

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The feeding frenzy lasted for about a
year at the beginning of the nineteenth

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century, before the gravity world once
again entered a state of quiescence. The

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studies lead author, Frederick Marin from
the Strasbourg Astronomical Observatory, says no effect

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was filled on Earth from this event. A Sagittarius A star is some twenty

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seven thousand light years away from our
solar system. However, the X ray

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echo detected by Marilyn colleagues, which
was emitted around two hundred years ago,

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reveals that the original intensity was at
least a million times greater than that currently

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emitted by Sagittarius A star. To
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of X rays when the black hole
emerged from its queercent state, it's as

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if a single glow worm hidden deep
in a forest suddenly became as bright as

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the sun. The findings explain why
galactic molecular clouds knee Sagittarius A Star are

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shining more brightly than usual. It's
because they're reflecting the X rays emitted by

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Sagittarius A Star two hundred years ago. To carry out their research, the

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authors used NASA's XP Imaging X Ray
Plematory Explorer's satellite, which was for the

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very first time able to detect the
polarization of this X ray light with great

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precision and also determine its source,
something which had previously been impossible. Rather

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like a compass, the polarized X
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Sagittarius A star. Even though the
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continuing to study Sagittarius A Star in
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physical mechanisms are required for a black
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queercent state to an active one.
And we'll keep you informed this spacetime still

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to come. Well, the day
may last twenty four hours on Earth now,

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but for a billion years, it
seems an Earth Day was just nineteen

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hours long. And later in the
Science report, Facebook owner Mark Zuckerberg says

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it was the scientific establishment that called
on Facebook to censor posts that turned out

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to be true. All that and
more still to come on Spacetime and You

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study suggests that Earth's current twenty four
hour long day didn't gradually happen as the

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planet's rotation slowed down, but instead
changed in spurts. Earth's rate of rotation

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is governed by various factors, including
the gravitational pull of the Moon. Scientists

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know that the length of an Earth
day was a lot shorter in the past

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because the Moon was closer. Over
time, the Moon has stolen some of

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Earth's rotational energy in order to boost
itself into a higher and more distant orbit.

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It's a process which is continuing today, with the Moon's rate of escape

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being around three cinematists per Earth year. One of the studies authors, Over

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Kushner from Curtain University, says most
models of Earth's rotation predict that the day

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length was consistently shorter and shorter going
back in time, but his report in

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the journal Nature shows the hypothesis of
a slow and steady change in the length

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of a day over time isn't matching
the evidence. And I guess the first

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question that raises is how do researchers
measure ancient day length. In past decades,

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geologists used records from special sedimentary rocks
preserving very fine scale layering in tidal

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mud flats count the number of sedimentary
layers per month caused by tidal fluctuations and

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the number of hours in an ancient
day. But such title records are rare

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and those that are preserved are often
disputed. Luckily, there's another means of

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estimating the length of a day.
Crystal stratigraphy is a geological method that uses

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rhythmic sedimentary layering to detect astronomical Milinkovitch
cycles that reflect how it changes in Earth's

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orbit and rotation affect climate. Two
Milinko cycles, procession and obliquity, are

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related to wobbles and tilt in the
Earth's rotation axis in space. The faster

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rotation of early Earth can therefore be
detected in shorter procession and obliquity cycles in

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the past. The authors took advantage
of a recent proliferation of Milenkovitch records,

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with over half the data French in
times generated in the past seven years,

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and this gave them a chance to
test an alternative hypothesis about planet of this

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paleo rotation. One unproven idea is
that the Earth's length of day may have

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stalled at a constant value when the
distant past. You see, in addition

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to tides in the ocean related to
the pull of the Moon, Earth also

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has solar tides related to the atmosphere
heating up during daytime. Solar atmospheric tides

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are not as strong as lunar oceanic
tides, but this would not always have

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been the case. When Earth was
rotating faster in the past, the tug

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of the Moon would have been much
weaker, and unlike the pull of the

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Moon, the Sun's tide instead pushes
the Earth, So while the Moon slows

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earth rotation down, the Sun speeds
it up. Yesha says this means that

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when the two opposite forces equal each
other, it created a tidal resonance which

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would have caused Earth's day length to
stop changing and remain constant for some time,

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and that's exactly what the new data
compilation appears to show. Earth's day

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length appears to have stopped its long
term increase and then flatlighted at around nineteen

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hours, roughly between two and one
billion years ago. Now, interestingly,

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the timing of this term forestalling intriguingly
lies between two of the largest rises in

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the planet's oxygen levels. A new
study thus supports the idea that Earth's rise

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to modern oxygen levels had to wait
for longer days for photosynthetic bacteria to generate

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more oxygen each day. Casha says, it's fascinating to think that the evolution

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of Earth's rotation could have affected the
evolving composition of the planet's atmosphere. There's

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several factors, I guess. I
mean, the Earth is spinning all the

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time. The Moon plays a very
important role in blowing down the rotation of

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the Earth because they're attracting each other, and the Earth is rotating around the

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Sun, and all this energy is
getting conserved in this system. And so

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if energy is getting transferred from the
Earth to the Moon, then the Earth

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has to slow down. It's not
just the Sun and the Moon which control

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the Earth's rate of rotation. There's
also something else. The Malenkovit cycles tell

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us about them. You know,
that's a very very interesting question, first

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of all, because you know,
in our paper, we took these certain

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aspects together to get information on the
length of day of the Earth, which

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is related very much on the rotation. But on the other hand, where

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you mentioned the milanko which stuck,
they play a very important role in Earth

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climate, in the insulation, let's
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and the milanko which tacks are related
to not just one thing, but to

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several aspects of the way Earth is
spinning. Like it's not spinning in the

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plane of all the rotations, but
it has like an angle, so it

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processes around this angle. That's that's
the procession. It's also the rotation around

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the Sun. It's not a circle
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not closed, so this changing is
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the obliquities of this angle is also
plays a role. So these are the

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three main things, and all these
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has been shown that you can see
this in geologic records, so that you

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can see climate cycles in this with
this wavelength of the milanko which sycle.

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And what's your research involved in,
Yeah, that's a bit of a story

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because I'm the astronomy is I'm basically
I'm a paleomagnetist, So what I do

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most of the time is that I'm
taking this more sampus. I measured the

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magnetization direction in this sampus. Then
I try to figure out the magnetization direction

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during the time of formation of this
rock, and then I reconstruct the continent

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where I took this sampus. So
how Australia moved through Earth history, That's

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kind of my main thing. On
the other hand, I'm using the same

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technique to do like using magnetos statigraphy, like measuring polarities throughout like a section

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in like an outcrop section. So
what happens is as magma cools and solidifies,

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it develops a yeah and that will
solidify in a certain direction. That

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lets you know what direction the magnetic
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that rock solidified. It can use
that like a strata to date various rocks.

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I mean two things, Like because
the direction of the magnetic field right

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now is pointing towards the north pole, so I can calculate the magnetic north

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pole. But I and also use
the inclination to tell me where I am,

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Like when I'm at the equator,
the magnetic field lines will be perfectly

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horizontal, whereas here in Australia.
I think they're like dipping like forty degrees

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or so, and this is related, so I can calculate the paleolatitude where

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this place was. On the other
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every now and then, and I
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the age. Doing this like having
a geologic section where I tried to figure

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out the age. I can also
measure magnetic parameters to identify these Milanko Wich

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cycles, which then gives me the
like one of the only controls on the

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duration of a certain outcrop. So
we measured We worked on drill courts from

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the Vulkyrie formation in Northern Australia.
This is like one point five billion year

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old sedimentary rocks, and there is
no chance in deciding very precisely how much

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time is conserved within a certain certain
interval. The absolute dating is not is

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not precise enough. But the Milanko
Witch cycles can be used to do this

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kind of things, and that's what
you're using magnetic parameters. That's more what

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I'm doing. And the study we
did now is like using more of this

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study which gives us Milankovich cycle which
can be used to calculate the length of

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day and then the Earth Moon distance
and these kind of things, because there

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the procession is related to the length
of day. And by using that you

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were able to find out that it
wasn't a gradual progression from a shorter day

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to the twenty four days we have
now you found that, yeah, stuck

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on a nineteen hour day for a
while. They last a beat a billion

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years. The thing is, we
are doing these things and this interesting obviously,

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that this evolution of length of day. But then we looked at this

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very recent compilation of newer data got
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had a look more into these more
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the tidal aspect, and then we
found suggestions that the moon is one side

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of the story, which which is
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the Moon on the Earth rotation.
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heating up the atmosphere and this is
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in resonants mode. This is not
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and they said, if these two
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a resonant state which could be as
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we don't know exactly how long.
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look at this, and we did
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and we got this interval of fairly
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hours a day. And I mean, there's a lot of uncertainly is still

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big there. But the fact that
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real constraint, which is similar to
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think that's the most interesting part of
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think caused the stalls? That's a
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of earth rotation to holes. Yeah, definitely. I mean, you know,

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these people suggested already that if you're
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stay there and the length of state
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the more interesting thing is how you
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question resonance, and this mode where
the atmospheric tight and the lunar tider can

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sting out each other, you will
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you might need sudden increase of atmospheric
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this and there was like two phases
of maybe not complete snowball Earth, but

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a lot of parts of the Earth
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ended because of some reasons also debates
a lot of research going on there.

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sudden temperature rise and this might have
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than these snowball events, so we
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break this resonance state. With more
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slightly and we might get more closer
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resonance state or in the range where
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to this Noble Earth event. But
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one point three one billion years ago
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things, where a lot of things
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the magnetic field. This would be
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time. And if there's no new
new aspects evolving there, that's over Kasher

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from Curtain University and this space,
time and time. That will take a

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brief look at some of the other
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a science report, Metta and Facebook
CEO Mark Zuckerberg says scientific establishment asked his

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platform the sensor posts about COVID nineteen, claiming they were misinformation, but which

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ended up being either true or at
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made on the Lex Friedman podcast while
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removing misinformation. Zuckerberg says there simply
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of the scientific assumptions. He said
the establishment encouraged him to enforce what he

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called shaky facts, asking for a
bunch of things to be censored that in

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retrospect ended up being true or at
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height of the COVID nineteen pandemic in
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had removed some eighteen million posts,
claiming that what was being claimed at the

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time was misinformation about the virus.
Last year, several US state attorney generals

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compiled evidence alleging that Zuckerberg coordinated with
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and suppress the hypothesis that the COVID
nineteen virus may have originated in the Wuhan

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Institute of Virology. It has since
been established that Fauci's National Institutes of Health

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was funding gained a function research on
bat viruses at the Wuhan lab. Earlier

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this year, the US Department of
Energy concluded that the pandemic was most likely

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leaked from the Wuhan Institute of Rology, thereby supporting the earlier conclusions of a

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separate investigation by the FBI. A
new study has found there really is a

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difference in your heart health depending on
whether you're gay, straight, or buy.

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A report in the Journal of the
American Medical Association Cardiology claims bisexual biological

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females may have worse cardiovascular health than
their heterosexual peers, while gay men have

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better cardiovascular health than straight men.
The study assess the cardiovascular health of over

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twelve thousand people and then looked at
how their scores varied with sexual identity.

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The authors say the data suggest that
there's a need for tailored interventions to help

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improve the cardiovascular health of sexual minority
adults, especially bisexual biological females. Japan

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has begun testing new facilities designed the
discharge treated nuclear or wastewater into the North

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Pacific Ocean. The contaminated water had
been used to cool the melted reactors at

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the Fukishimidiachi Nuclear Power Plant, but
after filling more than a thousand tanks,

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storage is expected a rich capacity early
next year. Japan says it's now treated

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water to the point where officials say
it's no longer harmful, and so it

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now intends to dilute and release that
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twenty eleven, three of the six
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were destroyed after fourteen meter high tsunami
waves from Tohoku undersea earth inundated the facility.

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The earthquake had already triggered an automatic
shutdown of the power plants three operational

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nuclear reactors, the other three having
already been shut down for maintenance. However,

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the tsunami flood had damaged the power
station's emergency diesel generators. Those generators

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were needed to pump water to keep
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This allowed heat to build up inside
the three reactor cause that eventually triggered a

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meltdown of the nuclear fuel rods inside
the reactor, the exact scenario which Hollywood

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portrayed in the movie China Syndrome.
In the case of Fukushima, the Malta

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nuclear fuel rods melted through the base
of the reactor pressure vessels and then flowed

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onto the bottom of the primary containment
vessels, forming Medusa. The melting fuel

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rods also produced vast amounts of pressurized
hydrogen gas as a byproduct. This eventually

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reached a critical stage, venting out
of the reactor pressure vessel where it mixed

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with ambient air, and this eventually
rich concentration limits in two of the three

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reactor buildings and consequently exploded, spreading
vast amounts of contaminated material over the surrounding

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countryside. A new study has found
that babies born to women who used traditional

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Chinese medicine were twice as likely to
have birth defects compared to mothers using no

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medicine or those using conventional Western medical
treatments. The findings are reported in the

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journal Actor Obstetrica at Gana Collegiate Scandinavia
compared sixteen thousand, seven hundred and fifty

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one women from twelve different provinces across
China. But as Timmentum from Mystery and

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Skeptics explains, there were some serious
problems in the way the study was carried

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out. To day in the university
in Shanghai did a test of about with

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a sixteen thousand, seven hundred women
from twelve different promises in China are people

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giving no medicine, Western medicine and
traditional Chinese medicine for women during their practices,

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And what they were saying is that
baby is born to women who underwent

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traditional Chinese medicine treatments were twice as
likely to have birthday effect compared to mothers

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who did not, whether they had
Western medicine or were no medicine at all.

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Pretty shocking result. They say that
a lot of the traditional Chinese medicines

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carry quote as significant risk of fetal
malformations. They urged expected mothers to use

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the therapies cautiously, so in other
words, this is a Chinese university doing

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a study of Chinese people across China
different provinces of how they reacted and what

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the outcome of the children were.
To get twice as many problems with the

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traditional Chinese medicine, you say,
oh, hang on here him, there

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must be something wrong. There is
a trouble, a problem with this study.

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And as always, keptics like to
point out problems with scientific studies even

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as much as they do for non
scientific studies. This was a group of

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sixteen thousand, nine twelve thousand,
three hundred of whom did not take any

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medicines. Four thousand were given Western
medicine and one hundred and eighty nine used

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traditional medicine. Now one hundred and
eighty nine is not a particularly large sample.

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The four thousand to god western medicine
is this season study. It doesn't

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seem to be a balanced study,
and that's a shame because it's a great

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idea. It's sad for the babies. Obviously, it's unfortunate that the sample

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they chose. Maybe that number of
people in the sample was chosen by the

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patients. Maybe most of them wanted
to do Western medicine rather than traditional Chinese

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medicine. Who knows. That's the
trouble is, there's not enough information from

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the report that I've seen to actually
show what's happened. The interesting thing is

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they said that of this one hundred
and eighty nine women who were given traditional

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Chinese medicine, they were looking at
an average rate of thirty four point six

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fetuses per thousand that had congenital malformation. So that's a three and a half

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percent I think it is working out
of people, which is not compared to

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one and a half percent of those
who were not exposed to medicine. So

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it's a bit of a difference whether
it's a statistical statistically significant difference considering the

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lone number of people you're talking about, and when you're talking about pers thousand

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fetuses, there's not an actual thousand
fetuses amongst the traditional Chinese medicine users.

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So it's an extrapolation from a fairly
small sample base. But this case interesting

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cons This is one case where it
does nay more words. That's timendum from

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