Cosmic Revelations: 27 New Worlds and Saturn's Mysterious Decagonal Jet

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Stuart Gary: This is Space Time series 29 episode 111

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for broadcast on 16 September

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2026. Coming up on Space Time,

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27 new trans Neptunian objects discovered

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in the outer regions of our solar system. A

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uh, Decagon discovered at Saturn's south pole

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and the Lynx spacecraft catches up to the

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target it was unable to save.

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All that and more coming up on um, Space

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Time. Welcome to

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Space Time with Stuart G.

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The first ever joint observation of Trans

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neptunian objects by NASA's Hubble and Webb

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Space Telescopes has discovered 27 new

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worlds in the dark outer reaches of our solar

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system. The findings reported in the

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Astronomical Journal represent the deepest

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search for Trans Neptunian objects ever

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undertaken and included some of the smallest

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and faintest celestial bodies ever seen,

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including one object just five kilometres

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wide. It's the first time

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astronomers have combined the power of Hubble

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and Webb to search for these far flung solar

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system bodies. Hubble looked in visible

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light and Webb searched infrared wavelengths.

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Surprisingly the authors found fewer small

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Trans Neptunian objects than expected. And

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the colours of these bodies follow the same

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relationships as those of their larger family

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members. Trans Neptunian objects are uh,

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typically small faint icy worlds orbiting

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the sun around and beyond the orbit of

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Neptune. Most are uh, more than 100 million

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times dimmer than objects visible to the

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unaided eye. As part of

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the study authors analysed the colour,

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composition and size distribution of the 27

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newly discovered tiny any dim Trans Neptunian

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objects. This class of small bodies

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offers the best view yet of the early stage

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of planetary building. A time more than

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4.6 billion years ago when a

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protoplanetary disc of dust and pebbles in

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orbit around the sun coalesced into city

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sized planetesimals, the solid building

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blocks that clump and accrete together to

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eventually form planets

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beyond Neptune. This second stage has never

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happened, leaving behind a frozen population

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of planetesimals. The authors measured the

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objects colours, which are sort of like

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fingerprints of surface composition as well

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as their sizes and the determination of their

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orbits. They studied two different types

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of Trans Neptunian objects. The first

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known as dynamically cold Trans Neptunian

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objects, are on their original relatively

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circular orbits around the sun in the plane

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of the solar system. What we call the

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ecliptic. The second type, dynamically hot

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Trans Neptunian objects formed between the

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current locations of Uranus and Neptune, but

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were then pushed outwards to their current

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locations locations when the gas giants

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migrated to their current orbits early in the

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Solar system's history and today these reside

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in highly elliptical orbits which move in and

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out of the plane of our solar system.

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Before these observations, astronomers, uh,

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thought that small trans neptunian objects

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from both hot and cold populations would have

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undergone many collisions, changing their

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surface compositions compared to larger trans

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Neptunian objects. But that's not

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what their observations showed. Instead,

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the smaller bodies look just like their

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larger counterparts. Uh, this implies that

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collisions are not changing the surfaces of

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these bodies significantly, perhaps because

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there are fewer collisions than expected, or

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possibly because trans neptunian objects

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somehow retain their primordial pre collision

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compositions. The authors are still trying to

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unravel this mystery and one of those

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authors, Anastasia Morgan from Northern

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Arizona University, says it was fascinating

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to see that these smaller objects are somehow

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remembering and preserving the history of how

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they were formed. She says these dynamically

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hot trans neptunian objects retained a

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signature of where they were born, even

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though they've been orbitally scrambled since

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then. Both hot and cold populations

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seem to keep the same colours as when they

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were formed, with little change since the

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birth of the Solar system. The Webb data also

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allowed researchers to measure the number of

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objects of each size. They found

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that the overall size distribution for birth

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populations was surprisingly similar.

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Despite forming in different regions of the

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early solar system. Morgan says the

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process seems to be insensitive to disc

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conditions producing similar planetesimal

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sizes, whether the disc is hot or cold and

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dense or fluffy. She also found there were

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far, uh, fewer of these small bodies than

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expected based on some well understood and

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accepted planetary formation models.

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This report from NASA tv.

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NASA TV: The outer solar system is home to some of the

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oldest objects in existence. These

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tiny frozen worlds have spent billions of

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years orbiting in darkness, largely untouched

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since the planets first formed. Now,

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by combining the power of NASA's Hubble and

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James Webb space telescopes, scientists are

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uncovering new clues about the earliest days

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of our solar system by studying these

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frozen worlds, called Trans neptunian

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Objects, or TNOs.

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TNOs orbit the sun beyond

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Neptune. They are surviving relics from the

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solar system's formation more than four and a

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half billion years ago. As dust,

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rock and ice collided, they gradually grew

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into larger bodies known as planetesimals.

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Closer to the sun, this process produced

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the planets. But far beyond Neptune,

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countless small icy bodies remained.

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To study them, astronomers combined

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Hubble's observations in visible light with

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Webb's observations in infrared, providing

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a more complete picture of their sizes,

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orbits and surface compositions.

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With 27 previously unknown objects

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discovered, including some of the smallest

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directly observed. The survey became the

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deepest search for trans neptunian objects

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ever conducted. Scientists expected

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these tiny worlds to look very different from

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larger TNOs over billions of

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years. Collisions should have broken many

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apart and altered their surfaces.

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Instead, the smallest objects closely

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resembled their much larger neighbours. Their

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colours, which provide information about

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their surface composition, follow the same

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pattern seen among larger TNOs.

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That suggests these tiny worlds have

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preserved much of their original surface

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composition for billions of years and that

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collisions may have been less destructive or

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less common than expected.

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Researchers also found fewer very small

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TNOs than some models predicted,

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providing another clue about how the earliest

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building blocks of planets formed together.

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Hubble and Webb are giving scientists a new

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look at some of our solar system's oldest

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survivors, helping them uncover how the

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planets, including Earth, first began

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to form.

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Stuart Gary: This is space time still to come,

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A decagon discovered at Saturn's south pole

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and the Lynx spacecraft, which was meant to

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rescue NASA's doomed Swift Gamma Ray Space

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Telescope, has now reached its target but is

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unable to save it. All that and more coming

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up on space time.

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New observations by NASA's Hubble Space

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Telescope have revealed a giant evolving 10

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sided decagon atmospheric structure

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encircling Saturn's south pole.

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The discovery, reported in the journal

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Science Advances, marks the first time a

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large regular sided jet stream pattern has

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been observed in the planet's southern

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hemisphere. Generally speaking, the

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feature appears remarkably similar to

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Saturn's famous north pole hexagon, but it's

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also distinctly different from its six sided

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counterpart, suggesting scientists may be

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witnessing a new atmospheric phenomenon

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developing on the iconic ringed world.

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The observations were taken as part of Opal

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Hubble's Outer Planet Atmospheres Legacy

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programme, which has been imaging the planets

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annually for more than a decade. By piecing

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together several years of Hubble

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observations, the authors found subtle hints

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of the structure beginning to emerge around

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2023, long before it became a clearly

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defined pattern. One of the study's authors,

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Amy Simon from NASA's Goddard Space Flight

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Centre in Greenbelt, Maryland, says no one's

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ever seen anything quite like this in

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Saturn's southern hemisphere before. The

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northern hexagon's been there every time

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scientists looked at it over more than 40

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years. But according to Simon, the southern

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feature is very different and it appears to

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be strengthening, giving scientists a rare

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opportunity to watch as this giant

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atmospheric pattern evolves and develops.

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The discovery was made possible because of

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Saturn's changing axial tilt, consequently

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its seasons, which are gradually bringing the

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planet's south pole back into view from

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Earth. That's where astronomers who

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collectively analysed images of Saturn from

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ground based observatories first identified

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the feature. They first noticed a subtle

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undulating band along the south pole in

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ground based telescope observations in 2024.

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Additional ground based imagery taken last

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year hinted more strongly at this decagonal

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structure. And that's when the Hubble archive

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of observations came into play.

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Given Saturn's symmetry and its north pole

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jet stream system, astronomers have been

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searching for a counterpart to Saturn's

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northern hexagon at the south pole in Hubble

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images since 1990. And images from

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NASA's Cassini spacecraft, which orbited

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Saturn between 2004 and 2017, showed

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no inkling of any sort of long lived

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formation there. But it was a review of the

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Hubble data which confirmed the feature's

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presence in 2023, the earliest recording

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of its existence. So what are we

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talking about here? The wave sits within one

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of Saturn's powerful jet streams and extends

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through multiple layers of the planet's

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atmosphere, indicating it's not just a cloud

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level feature, but a vertically extended

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atmospheric structure. Uh, the

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decagon's apparent position shifts slightly

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because Hubble captures images in different

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wavelengths and those different wavelengths

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are probing different altitudes in Saturn's

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atmosphere. According to Simon, the

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most intriguing part is that this seems to

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have only occurred recently. So the question

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is why has it suddenly appeared? The

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authors say further study using Both Hubble

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and NASA's Webb Space Telescopes, as well as

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new analyses of computer models will need to

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be undertaken to better understand how this

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decagon formed, how long it may last and how

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it compares with the long lived hexagon in

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the north. Hubble's long

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operational lifespan has allowed astronomers

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to track changes over time throughout the

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solar system's planets as well as other

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astronomical objects. Rather than providing

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just a single snapshot, the OPAL programme

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allows astronomers to follow seasonal

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changes, track short lived storms and

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identify other atmospheric features that

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evolve slowly over, uh, time. This

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is space time still to come.

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Link's failed rescue mission scopes its

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target but can't save it. And later in the

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Science report, the artificial intelligence

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chatbot Claude cracks Fermet's last

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theorem. All that and more still to come

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on space time.

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The Link spacecraft, which was meant to

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rescue NASA's doomed Swift Gamma Ray Space

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telescope, has now reached within 15

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kilometres of swift and has even managed to

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snap some images of the stricken observatory.

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The rescue attempt to save Swift was

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abandoned two weeks ago following systems

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failures aboard Link, which sent the vehicle

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into an uncontrolled wild multi axial spin.

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Lynx Operators, Catalyst Space Technologies

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were able to restore some limited attitude

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control over the three armed robotic salvage

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vehicle. But by then fuel reserves were too

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low to proceed with a rescue attempt.

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sensors gather data on the DOOM telescope for

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NASA. Now making the best out of a bad

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deal, the company is using the failed mission

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as a practise run for future satellite

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servicing operations. Launched

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in 2004, Swift was designed as an

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orbital early warning system, giving

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astronomers a heads up for short period

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events like gamma ray bursts, the biggest

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explosions in the universe since the Big

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Bang, thereby allowing them the time they

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need to swing their telescopes towards the

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unprecedented blasts. But

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Swift was only ever designed to last a few

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years and so it wasn't equipped with boosters

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to allow it to maintain its orbital altitude

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against the effects of atmospheric dragon.

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And as the latest solar storm hit the Earth,

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causing the planet's atmosphere to expand and

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contract, that atmospheric drag has caused

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orbital decay, gradually dropping Swift from

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its original 600 kilometre high orbit to just

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335 kilometres today.

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And it's continuing to drop. In fact, NASA

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now anticipates Swift will plunge through the

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atmosphere sometime between October and the

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end of the year. And of course, just like

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Swift, NASA's Hubble Space Telescope's also

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in a low Earth orbit and it too isn't fitted

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with any boosters. See NASA was always able

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to keep hubble in its 500 to 550 kilometres

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high orbit, using space shuttles on servicing

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missions to boost the observatory back up.

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shuttle fleet in 2011, Hubble uh, is also

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slowly losing altitude. And so

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linked spacecraft, hopefully one that will be

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more reliable, which could be used to boost

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Hubble back up into a higher orbit,

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consequently extending its life.

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And time outta. Take another brief look at

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some of the other storeys making news in

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Science this week with a Science report.

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The latest data on HIV and sexually

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transmitted diseases in Australia has just

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been released and it's painting a mixed

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picture of progress and ongoing challenges.

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The report by the University of New South

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Wales Kirby Institute shows HIV diagnoses

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uh, have fallen significantly over the past

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decade with the nation achieving the UN AIDS

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targets. That's where 95% of people living

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with HIV are diagnosed, 95% of those

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diagnosed are on treatment and 95% of those

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on treatment have HIV that's virally

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suppressed. However, uh, the study shows

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progress remains uneven across communities.

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Meanwhile, syphilis and gonorrhoea diagnoses

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remain high with concerning increases among

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females and disproportionately high sexually

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transmitted disease rates among first nations

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people. A new study

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has warned that climate change is forcing a

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decline in global seaweed forests, which is

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drastically outpacing, uh, restoration

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efforts. Seaweed forests soak up

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carbon dioxide from the atmosphere. They're

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also important habitats for marine life. And

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there have been concerted efforts to plant

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more seaweed in the battle against rising

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carbon levels. But now a report in the

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journal PLOS Biology estimates that 25

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million hectares of wild kelp forest will be

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lost due to climate change by 2050.

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That's 6,000 times the area which has been

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restored since 1958.

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Scientists have discovered that Asian

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elephants can resist impulse behaviour in

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favour of a more rational and effective

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course of problem solving. The findings,

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reported in the journal papers in

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palaeontology, involved 16 Asian elephants

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who were presented with a transparent box

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with small holes through which they could see

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and smell the fruit inside. They

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consistently resisted the temptation to try

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and reach directly for the food and instead

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used an opening on the side of the box that

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they had been shown earlier. When the box was

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later rotated, the elephants at first

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succumbed to the impulse to reach for the

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previous position of the opening, but they

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quickly corrected their behaviour. The

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authors say that this inhibitory control

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might be a key part of elephant's famed

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problem solving and socialising skills.

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An advanced prototype of the artificial

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intelligence chatbot Claude has produced a 13

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million line computer cheque proof of

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Fermat's last theorem in just 11 days.

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The company behind the project Anthropic says

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the same project is expected to take humans

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around a decade to solve. The results show

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that AI will play an increasingly important

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part in creating algorithmically checkable

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versions of mathematicians work. And it

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hints that such technology could soon

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scrutinise the entire library of mathematical

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knowledge. By the way, Fermont's last

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theorem states that no three positive

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integers A, B and C satisfy the equation A

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to the power of N +B to the power of n equals

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C to the power of n for any integer value of

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n greater than 2. For over, uh,

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350 years, mathematicians have

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tried and failed to prove or disprove the

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1637 claim, turning it into one of the most

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famous challenges in the history of

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mathematics. Well,

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weren't we the fools Forget calling it the

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fold.

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Apple have just done a flip on us, calling

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their new iPhone the Duo instead.

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So, how good is it with the details? We're

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joined by technology editor Alex Zaharov Roy

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from Tech Advice Start Live.

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Jonathan Nally: So, yeah, it's called the iPhone Duo. Now, it

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always did seem a bit unusual to me that

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Apple would copy the name of what Samsung was

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doing with the Fold, or even with Ultra,

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which is the name of Samsung's, uh, premium

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device. I mean, the Duo doesn't have the

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telephoto camera. It's got a few things that

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are missing, but it's got plenty that people

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thought wouldn't be there. The interface

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wasn't just the standard interface slapped

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onto a slightly wider screen where Samsung

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just has the normal, uh, telephone and

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messaging and camera and whatever other icons

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on the bottom. Apple really thought it out.

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You've got this thumb width's worth of space

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compared to a normal iPhone mini or even just

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a normal iPhone on the right hand side. And

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when you've got a screen that's only 5.4 or

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5.5 inches diagonally, it's obviously

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squatter, it's not as tall as a normal phone.

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So you want to preserve as much of that

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vertical viewing space as possible. That

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means you don't put the time at the very top,

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you don't put the little icons for your WI fi

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and signal strength and all that other sort

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of stuff. And at the bottom you don't put the

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four icons for the phone and the message on

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the bottom. Apple shoved all that to the

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right where your thumb is when the phone is

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closed. Even the icon for the battery

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signal strength and the time I think it is

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that is now in a little circle.

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Stuart Gary: So you're not losing any of the

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Jonathan Nally: picture, you're maximising the amount of

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vertical space you've got because normally

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it's taken up by stuff. And even the apps

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that Apple has made, notes and all sorts of

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other things, a lot of their controls are now

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on the right hand side where your thumb is.

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But then when you open it up you have this

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7.6-inch canvas. Now, it's smaller than an

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iPad mini, but it looks pretty much like an

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iPad mini. The crease, it's still there if

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you hold it in the right light. But the way

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that the screen has a matte coating under

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normal circumstances you can't see the

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crease. The problem is of course, the price.

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Now, in Australian dollars, we're talking

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$3,499 for the

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256 gig model. And this goes

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all the way up to

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$5,899 for

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the two terabyte model. I mean even the 512

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gig, it's 3,899, the one terabyte

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4,699. So that's definitely expensive

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prices. And this is where people are going to

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go on phone plans just to afford it. But even

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the 256 gig model over 36 months is nearly

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100 dol. And this year, because of all the

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price rises with the RAM and SSD, a 2

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terabyte iPhone 18 Pro Max is something

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like $4,699. That's like

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$1,000 more this year for the same 2

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terabyte model, which is, uh, on the iPhone

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18 Pro Max,

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Stuart Gary: I download all my music onto my phone,

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so I need the full two terabytes just to

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survive. That's my life. Five grand on the

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phone, that's huge.

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Jonathan Nally: Yeah. And if you paid off over three years, I

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mean, you've got to be paying, you know, I

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don't know, 150 or more per month over three

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years, not including your plan. So there's

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going to be a lot of hard choices to be made.

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Stuart Gary: So 18 pro max, we've now got the larger

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battery, a smaller dynamic island, the

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smaller 2 nanometer, uh, a20 chipset. Is that

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right?

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Jonathan Nally: Exactly right, yeah. It's a 6 core CPU up to

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20 faster than the a19 Pro from last year.

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Stuart Gary: And the cameras are better too, I believe.

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Jonathan Nally: Yes, absolutely. Now they've got, uh, this

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new variable aperture. So it's like having

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this hexagonal series of little shutters that

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can make the hole very small. Like your iris

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goes smaller in your eye when you're looking

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at a bright light or you can widen it to let

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more light in. So you've got these Pro camera

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controls. The app as well shows histograms

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and a bunch of other pro things that you'll

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only get on this, uh, latest model. Longer

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battery life as well. The biggest battery

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ever.

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Stuart Gary: All the features that we talked about on the

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18 Pro Max, are they also on the Duo

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as well?

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Jonathan Nally: No. So the Duo. See, the Duo only has two

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cameras, not three. I mean, I wish it had the

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third telephoto, but it's thinner than even

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the iPhone air was. But of course, when you

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fold it, it's almost the thickest iPhone

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Apple's ever made. Only the 3GS was thicker,

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but it still fits in the hand and in your

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pocket nicely. But we have to wait for a

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future model to get all cameras and even the

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cameras. Although Apple sort of said, oh,

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it's the same camera. Well, no, it's not. It

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doesn't have the same level of optical image

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stabilisation. Various things are just not as

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good because you're limited in the amount of

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space that you have in such a thin device. So

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that's why they didn't call the Ultra,

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because it's not. They didn't call it the

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Fold because, well, that's Samsung's name and

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Google's name as well. Unfortunately, it has

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arrived in a time when memory and SSD

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is ridiculously expensive and that has caused

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prices to skyrocket.

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Stuart Gary: Well, we know that Elon Musk's building a new

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chip factory in the United States. It'll be

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the biggest in the world. Is that going to

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lower prices? And if so, uh, how long will

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that take?

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Jonathan Nally: Well, look, these chip factories take 2, 3

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years to build and then they've got to be

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ramped up.

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