Sentimientos de las plantas|| Relatos del lado oscuro (Podcast)

0:00 He' s changed his perspective on plants a little bit They looked so calm in his pot without bothering anyone, and now, all of a sudden, I tell him they move and they do a lot of things. Well, there would still be another thing left to think about and what if one of these plants, besides, had feelings stories of the dark side for strange beings, inexplicable events, stories that other minds prefer ignorant very good night looks around.

0:57 Yeah, yeah, yeah, take a good look, you' ve seen a piece of furniture, a TV, most likely a radio, because it' s listening to us differently how they would do it. You will also be seeing some other objects and so on, also very likely you are seeing a plant, any kind of plant, almost everywhere there is in your house, in the courtyard and outside on the sidewalk. Even if it' s crawling herbs, that' s where you walk. I' ll be back in sight and there they are, too. Look over there, this way you' ll find them. Everywhere. There are colors, there are greens, there are darker, there are giant trees and small herbs that barely grow hanging from the most incredible corners. Also, of course, there are those tiny plants that grow glued to the walls, lichens. There are also moss and all sorts of things, there is an incredible parity, perhaps only surpassed by insects. The variety of plants is enormous and, in fact, much older than we think. You heard. Whenever we hear the phrase the origin of life, we immediately imagine some molecule becoming an insect or some primitive bug, coming out of the waters and becoming for thousands of years until reaching a dinosaur or something similar. But the true origin of life is not there.

2:29 The origin of life is in plants. Yes, at some point, a series of chemical compounds came together under some random condition, that is, without something exactly motivating it, without a special flash. Just at a certain point a group of molecules began to live, several chemical compounds came together here and there and resulted in the appearance of the first very plant It has probably been a microscopic plant, a spore or a very primitive algae, something very small, but there began life. Why. Because the conditions of life strictly speaking refer to the existence of a capacity to feed, a capacity to reproduce and a capacity to die. Something that doesn' t reproduce or die or eat can' t be alive. There' s the difference between life and death. Perhaps there are more parameters, but essentially that would be the difference and the plants gather all the necessary elements. A virus, for example, does not gather it, but a plant does, a plant lives, eats and reproduces and dies in the same way. Of course, they have also been here for thousands of years and have generated much of what we have.

3:50 The presence of plants, algae, all sorts of plant things has generated the air that we breathe you hole and every day cleans it again Olympic so that we can follow it breathing one of those very strange whims of nature. Day plants absorb certain compounds and others at night, which means essentially that they give us life. They' ve been here a long time, they give a lot. They' re our partners. But we' ve always thought of plants, trees, flowers. All this, because they are there dots, serve to adorn and have no more. They' re living things. Because the biology professor said so, you' d think so. In reality, they seem to us to be rather inanimate objects. They' re just there, but the reality is that they have a very complex way of life, much more complex than we think, although, of course, they don' t have a nervous system, a brain, eyes, in short, they don' t have good senses. That' s what you' d believe, but it' s not entirely accurate. No. Plants also have without certain different senses, perhaps if you want them, to those of the human being. But, for example, a plant has what is called tropisms and tactisms. A plant can move yes, yes, yes, yes. I don' t mean to move with respect to the wind, but to twist to achieve a goal. You' ll think about what the hell this announcer

5:21 is talking about. You better talk about your ghosts. Not a plant that is in a dark place, will seek the light and drift to its leaves, its branches, its trunk to find the light. Likewise, if it requires more water, it will seek to bring its roots closer together. There the plants can move and orient, not only will stay in one place. Therefore, they show us with this very simple thing. Look put a plant away from your window and in no time wither and die. But before it has made a move, it will have turned to try to receive the greatest amount of solar rays. Plants do it on a daily basis. Sunflowers rotate authentically, spinning in search of the highest incidence of sun rays. Some other plants even have more movement, such as carnivorous ones, the devouring plants that perceive the presence of an insect and automatically close to devour it. You can ' t imagine the plant in the Adams movie or the TV series that devoured chicken legs. Not simply, if an insect falls into one of the leaves of this plant, the plant slowly closes and inside a series of digestive juices dissolve the insect until it is completely eaten. He' s changed his perspective on plants a little bit They looked so calm in his pot without bothering anyone, and now, all of a sudden, I tell him they move and they do a lot of things. Well, there' s still another thing

6:56 to think about and what if one of these plants, plus, had feelings. This may seem logical to you, a plant with feelings. If it ' s too much to play music, not the plant. If you gain the ability to perceive your environment, if you have the ability to feel the rays of the sun and to improve well, they can be chemical effects. I agree. But there is already a complexity of life. It is no longer just an inanimate object, it is already moving, it already has some perception of the environment. For some researchers for many years, this has meant that plants may have a sensitivity beyond, that is, that they perceive their environment even when they have no ears or touch as such. If he perceives in his surroundings and in being able to perceive, evidently, he also generates not only cold calculations, as it could be up there and put yourself in the sun. It' s emotions, too. You think it' s amazing to look at. This is a very classic thing. Nabuelite' s house is typical. It has fifty different plants. All of them are spectacular green. Granny cleans them up. Every morning he takes care of them, makes them, waters them and even mime them, touches them, rips them out, the dried leaves, takes them away, the snails, all those

8:26 things that are done so that the plants are well. Unfortunately, one day Granny dies. That' s how it usually happens sometimes. Then all your huge pile of plants is left in someone' s hands. Maybe he' ll also try to keep them clean and clean. But you know something funny. Most of the time even when the child, the granddaughter, continues to take care of the plants for a period of time, they deteriorate to almost dry and if the person is not careful enough, they simply will not recover and die. It could be without the reality. It could very probably be that simply the new person who is caring for them did not know how to care for them and nothing else spoiled them is also possible, but we should not let go of the possibility that plants have also experienced the loss of the person who cared for them, and that would mean that they perceived that they had an emotion towards that person, an emotion that, while they cannot express it by shaking and laughing, smiling or making any gestures, they can manifest it through their basically state of health. That is to say, when Granny dies, the plants would fall into a kind of prolonged sadness that would end up spoiling them. You don' t think so. Ask, Ask, and anyone who has been in a similar situation can tell you that. It ' s enough to point out a case. Several years ago there was this person in charge of a very small shop, Mrs Luisa. Mrs Luisa had

9:58 lived in her last 20 years alone, absolutely alone, being allergic to cats, dogs and all this. He had no pets except his plants, from a large number of violets decorating his stay to numerous geraniums and indifferent flowers on the outskirts of the house. ferns in the hallways were a hundred different plants there and often this lady was careful to go remove the dried petals, spray them with a shower to the use of cartoons, but a shower and also, of course, in doing this she used to be singing, humming and enjoying the moment was very pleasant to her, as she always said to take care of her plants, tending them, loosening the earth. And there was no shortage of opportunity for someone to give a new plant that they placed here or there and periodically put it in different places until the plant, to say of it, felt good. It might seem crazy or just a sense of loneliness translated into a manifestation of feelings toward plants. That' s a very human thing. If we don' t have someone to send feelings from us if there' s no other human being, grandchildren, nephews, etcetera.

11:11 Well it can be from pets, plants, stuffed dolls. There the human being is very much given to discharge the emotions. The fact is that this woman, whom I am talking about, spent much of the day at home tending her plants and well, assured that new plants, upon arrival, required to stop special care until they felt at ease. Otherwise, they died. Unfortunately, the one who died one day was her. For a long time she had had a heart condition that ended her life suddenly, having been in good health, working and caring on her plants one day dawned with a strange pressure on her chest that led her to death that same day at night she was attended during the following days good wine, the sepelium, the rosaries and whatever you want period, during which one of her nieces or something similar would have taken care of the plants and take care of the house with the idea of later distributing the properties according to her had indicated. The point is that, despite the efforts of this new owner, and also an adult and neighbor there, the plants began to literally become depressed little by little. The violets were the first to resent him, which immediately dried up after, the geraniums outside the house ceased to flower. They simply ceased to flower and became dry sticks the ferns that had also been a cause of great admiration for the large amount of foliage, began to yellow and to lose the leaves of the banks

12:46 in a clear allusion to which they were still being spoiled, and when there was a constant observance of this new owner to keep them watered and to be caring for them well, that ended when half of the plants dried up and the others ended up giving them to different people until they finished all the goods and closed the house and so on. You might think it was a maintenance mistake, that is, that the new person who was caring for the plants did not know how to water them or got them too much. They were loosened by something wrong, except that the niece also had a gigantic collection of plants. It was a kind of taste that several of the women in this family had very peculiar for sharing plants even gave each other away from plant feet, armlets, shoots, whatever it was. They knew what they were doing and, out of respect for the aunt, the affection they had felt for her. They had been very careful with their plants. They had still dried up. Why good. When they talked about this, they simply told me why they felt the loss. I found it shocking, I found it strange.

13:58 One does not have a brain as such, does not have a nervous system that translates the outer sensations into a central organ. Therefore, they cannot have good feelings. And what if they had feelings. If the plants really could feel, I don' t mean that they felt in love with each other. They wouldn' t definitely have that kind of feeling. But if there were a feeling of fear, of solidarity, of frustration, of loneliness, that would be a truly strong finding. Not so much just because very well, if the plants feel anything, what a taste I know. If plants feel it means that then feelings occur in something external to the body.

14:52 See the importance of the terrain, of the paranormal and of the parapsychological, of this finding of being able to be verified. If plants that don' t have a brain, a central nervous system, etcetera, etcetera, manage to develop emotions, it means that they are developing them externally to their body on the outside. If there is no place to feel them inside a plant ' s body and yet they experience emotions. It' s just outside, there' s a soul and that soul would even be in the plants. And it would be as much as ratifying that we, human beings, would have it too. A spirit as such that encourages not only motorized beings as we are living beings, that is, animals, human beings and so on, but would also be encouraging static sedentary creatures, such as plants. There lies the importance of this topic and not just as a curiosity. There' s a nice thing out there that we found somewhere. Not for years has that been a starting point for some researchers in the field, of the parapsychological to be able to demonstrate that they plant them are afraid, emotions, joy, joy, nervousness stress. Then I would have stayed above a lot of questions. Of course, between feelings, emotions and others they are handled in the soul and this is spirit. Soul essence, recording to almost with what

16:22 matters. It is not, it is not something transcendent, for, but we would have this presence and this external body and then we could investigate with greater confidence after ensuring that, apart from body bone flesh blood, we are also spirit. And there, if we were able to do it in plants, you would simply be shown what you think of this issue of the emotions and the life of plants as such. It' s something that comes from many years ago. In fact, in nineteen hundred and fifteen there was an event that meant something very unusual. You' ll see in America. In the reception room, he was invited to Dr J. P. Bosce.

17:18 This subject turned out to be a professor at Presidency College in Calcutta, professor of physics and good in front of the British Secretary of State of the United States, and an important group of people carried out a series of experiments, basically with the idea of demonstrating that plants had emotions, just like human beings, The experiments that this subject carried out in front of the American officials in that year of nineteen hundred and fifteen provoked numerous controversies and were even grounds for discussion in rooms all over the planet and within the universities. There were also great discussions. What Dr Boscí basically did at the time, this professor of Calcutta in India, was essentially connecting a device to the plants. It was kind of a reader with a needle, a device for his time very complicated and referenced as a mystery really, but it was actually kind of a gauge of amperage and things like that, but very sensitive. What he did was basically sting, yeah, chop the plants with a little hole. At that point the principle that should have happened well. If you stick to one hand,

18:48 the device immediately marked an anomalous response. He did several experiments with his collaborators and even with one of the clerk' s assistants sat them down, placed these tiny copper sensors in different parts of the arms and head and applied them from a caress, a pat on the back to a needle puncture in the cards. Well, what was going on with the meter that varied a lot, obviously depending on the intensity of what was being done. Bosse spent about an hour doing this experiment with the subjects who were there. Thus, for example, it caused a reaction in someone to blow his arm, a normal reaction. Suddenly, he would hit his arm, some kind of slap on his arm, and there was a completely different answer. However, if, for example, the person was simply seated, his reaction was flat.

19:45 There was no special movement, but at the time the doctor used his needle to puncture the other. The needle on the indicator of this device jumped immediately. Very well he had shown in principle how to operate his apparatus. Now what happened to the plants. Well, he put the gadgets back around the trunk of these plants that he had and then began to perform the same tests on the plants, that is, he touched the leaves gently. He blew his mouth to the point where he broke a twig. The response was frantic, but it wasn' t just a pulse response. In other words, you could say," Well, he took a look at the plant, he moved the device, he didn' t break the leaf to the plant, and then the indicator needle of that device starts to bounce, but he keeps breeching in oscillating periods for a good while. The demonstration also included an event in which he literally murdered a plant. How can you kill a plant, ask yourself. Well simple injected him with Potassium cyanide, one of the most violent toxics there are then. The plant began to die. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that fast. And it is that, effectively, once it enters the chlorophyll, in the chlorophyll torrent, this potassium cyanide, the plant if it intoxicates and dies irremediably in a process that can take

21:18 several hours or pathways, even depending on the plant concerned. But in Bose ' s experiment, this small plant he used began to rapidly deteriorate the pulses inside that device. The movements of the needle of the indicator of that device oscillated violently at the beginning, that is, when the puncture is placed and the cyanide, the cilioscope injects it, that one begins to have a febrile activity, big peaks, but then, as the minutes pass and even a couple of hours later in motion it is minimal to be able to detect the death of the plant. When finally bosee breaks one of the leaves and there is no answer. It burns a little with the plant and there' s no answer there. At the same time, in another plant that had been in the same conditions, it repeats the same damage, punctures it to the burning and breaks the leaf and in all cases had answers of course, the matter this did not end there. For the following months, Dr. Bossé would make a series of presentations throughout the United States and return later, in the years of nineteen to England and France to present his results as well.

22:27 The matter would end there without pity or glory, apparently because well, while your experiments were very striking, there was not much interest in that regard. Nobody really cared if the plants had feelings or not. It happened as a simple curiosity, as one more circus, as a spectacle of more than so many others that appeared in the public arenas of those countries. But this incident would give rise to years later looking for this answer about plants, because the Gaya theory, the theory of global consciousness, also appeared, which maintains that there is only one consciousness for all and that, consequently, plants would also be living beings and also, consequently, would affect this global consciousness, so that if right now a plant is cut, broken or torn in the southern cone of the American continent near Patagonia, it would affect that general soul, that global consciousness, causing a certain, a certain degree of sadness or loss, which would explain, to a large extent and to some followers of this theory, that society as such would begin to break down so strongly in recent times, when deforestation has increased, that is, that the death of so many plants would be affecting all living beings globally, including human beings. Of course, from this many of these experiments are taken up, such as that of loudspeaker and so many others that, although there was definitely no conclusion beyond

24:00 these experiments, there was neither a 100 percent response nor a sequential investigation of the matter that gave as something of some interest, but rather as an intrigue behind all of this. Professor Vose' s device was really a fool, but a show of illusionism, or there really was something there. The question would go on for many years and, indeed, if today there is no sharp answer, but there are several studies carried out over the following years that have tended to show that our companions, that is, these green things, that are around us everywhere, would really have a conscience and, consequently, emotions, feelings and, well, many answers that definitely resemble those of living beings. But if Dr Boset' s experiments were flashy, they weren' t essentially the first either. Don' t forget that people have been restless for some time now. Even like Aristotle, the famous Greek philosopher, he also considered it possible that plants had a spirit, a spirit or a soul or something that kept them alive. In fact, in many cultures it is loved managed that living beings, including plants, of course, have this spirit.

25:30 It is a mimist theory, if you want it, but it has been something that people have had in mind for many centuries. But perhaps the most critical point will be reached in one thousand nine hundred and sixty- six. In that year, a guy named Clip Baxter would perform a series of experiments to start this subject. He had worked as a specialist in polygraphs, in lie detectors for the American CIA and also for other American government agencies. He was a technician in the handling of these equipments, technology s ns, electronics and specialist, so to speak, in the handling of the polygraph itself the apparatus. This is what it does to measure the electrical impulses in the human body and it records it on a leaf where it paints a rayite.

26:14 This scratch is altered if you move, if you sneeze or something can produce a certain effect, but basically what measures are electrical impulses in the body. Thus, an answer, for example, where a person lies presents a characteristic curve and if he is telling the truth, he presents another characteristic curve. The subject, in addition to having a lot of knowledge in the area of handling these devices. By one thousand nine hundred and sixty- six, he was also working there as a specialist in CIA interrogations and even became chairman of the Research and Search Committee of the Academy for Scientific Interrogation, a very complicated body within the United States, but where experts in truth research, in the follow- up of information and interrogations are grouped. He was a pretty knowledgeable person on the subject, but maybe Baxter, driven by Dr. Bose in nine hundred and fifteen and that of many other researchers, was given the task of placing electrodes in plants. Knowing the sensitivity of the devices he was handling, he presumed that good if in humans and all animals, because in fact, the polygraph has been tested with animals and everything could be tested with plants.

27:40 And the fact itself proceeded was very controversial. What I was backing up was connecting two electros to the plants to find out if they had emotions. The experiments this guy did were with all sorts of things, from lettuce, onions, oranges, bananas, a wheat plant, but perhaps the most famous of all he did, of all the experiments he did was basically with one of his plants inside the house. What this guy did was essentially provoke emotions in plants. Yeah, it was a pretty simple experiment. First, along with all his equipment, he already connected the appliances and so on and thought good is a plant called garden trarasena. His idea was to cause him pain.

28:38 If the plant can feel pain, it will reflect it on the electrode how to do it. Well, he proceeded to hurt the plant. The plant immediately recorded an anomalous pain curve then wanted to know more and then said good. We have already seen that, physically, if the plant is injured, present a curve of pain, but you may know something else. Plants can feel something else. If you hurt them, obviously the flow of the color row can be altered and this will alter the functioning of the plant. It' s simple, it' s not physical, but there' s something else. I mean, if you break the plant or you inject something or you prick it or something. It is evident that it is altered, that a continuity is broken is a physical response. It' s like you ' re covering up a good pipe, putting up the pressure, but if the plant could feel mistrust, wow. That was a crazy idea. Without touching the plant. If it could presume that you' re going to hurt him, then it would be presenting an external perception that has nothing to do with the physical. You understand, that is, if this guy managed to make the plant feel afraid to see it, it would be completely ridiculous, because the plant has no eyes. Then we' d be getting into the field of the parapsychological, because this guy does the test. Yeah, start, for example, with thinking he' s gonna burn the plant for it.

30:14 If the plant can perceive it, then it means that there is this whole question of the parapsychological. But in itself the subject takes a lighter and approaches it to the plant to burn it, and the plant presents a non - bad curve, a curve that he identified as the curve of fear. I had already done several tests on some plants I had broken them, others I had burned and presented a characteristic curve of response. But in this case Baxter does not burn the plant, He only turns on the lighter and pretends to burn it and the plant presents an anomalous curve, a curve of pain, a curve of fear. The plant was afraid of what was going to happen to it. Baxter' s experiment showed something, something incredible. The plant has no eyes, so I couldn' t see what was going to happen. He doesn' t have a brain, so he can' t think. He doesn' t have a central nerve organ. No central nerves.

31:11 Therefore, he could not feel and, however, presented the characteristic curve of something that he had qualified as fear. During several experiments carried out throughout that year of one thousand nine hundred and sixty- six, Backster did tests such as turning the lighter on to bring it closer, as if it were going to burn it or simply turn on the lighter and then approach and close it off. The plant reacted differently. When the lighter approached it was afraid, that was obvious, but then it presented a flat curve, that is, it was quiet, calm, knowing it was not going to burn. In other cases, well, he did very strange things, such as, for example, this man thought of burning her was his intention and only proof.

31:57 He came up to the plant and I' m gonna burn you down. The plant presented the curve of fear. However, at another time he lit the lighter and his thought was I will not burn you or do anything to you. The plant did not present that did not present the anomaly, as if it knew that, indeed they would not do anything to it. Baxter was not a biologist, he was not a specialist in botany, much less, but he was able to perform a good amount of tests and curiously, all concluded that plants had a perception of the environment, and not only of the environment in the sense of cold heat, but also of the intentions that surrounded him, essentially a complex behavior. Basically that' s what they were presenting a very complex response to the surrounding environment. There were other tests there too very crazy, for example, a given moment the researcher cuts his finger. We are not very sure whether accidentally or on purpose, but curiously plants react to wave pain with a very peculiar curve. Another time, Baxter realizes that while he empties a nicazuela of boiling water into the pipe to clean that. Plants react, but also react with a curve to which he classified as the curve of sadness or compassion. He even came to one more experiment while outside in the garden, the gardener was spraying the ants with poison.

33:30 The plants, those that had the draperies inside their greenhouse connected to the polygraph electrodes, began to present the characteristic curve of the compassion curve, as if they were feeling sad that it killed the ants. Baxter' s experiments went on and there was another so much more, for example, when the trees outside the garden were being pruned were ripping off the branches, the plants inside, the dracenas responded with the same curve the characteristical wave of compassion, that is, that at some point the plants were experiencing sadness for the damage they were inflicting on their other companions, the other trees there, but they felt the same reflection of compassion. He did, for example, the poisoned ants to the flies that fell dead, to a mouse that was poisoned in the face of virtually all the misfortunes so to speak or in the face of the pain of others, the plants presented the curve of compassion, that is, that they felt sadness for those who were suffering. That was way up there, but more evidence was still missing. Baxter continued with another experiment. This experiment was carried out particularly against a plant known as Philodendro. The question was whether plants could perceive a little more about people' s intentions, in short, which could both serve as lie detectors. Maybe that was part of this man' s experiment in his particular area of work, but the matter was

35:02 a very crazy experiment. He sat down with one person asking him about his birth year and started doing a little pruebita in front of the plant. I was asking the interviewee which of the seven years he was going to mention was born. So it begins and the subject who is being interviewed deliberately responds in the wrong way, that is, he was a year old or was born in the twenty- eighth year. And yet, as I passed the twenty - eight, I said no that it was not there was a very strange answer in the plants. Yeah, the two of them at the interviewee and Baxter had made a secret deal before the experiment that the interviewee would deliberately lie about saying no to all the questions. In all cases, the plant, in this case, the phylodendron, along with two other plants of the same species that it had together there in that room, presented a very peculiar curve in which the plant responded with a discomfort, so to speak, with a beak curve upwards when the guy lied while the subject responded no. That' s not my birthday on the right numbers. The plant had no response, but at the time, when it detected that the interviewee was lying, it had a characteristic upward curve, a peak upwards. The rest of the answer was very compromising. Baxter himself was not sure what to do with the results, because, on the one hand, he had these green companions who perceived

36:35 fear, but who also perceived the person' s intention, but also perceived the people' s lie. It was too much information, as if plants could read the minds of human beings, except that in order to do that in theory they should have a brain, because we were talking about telepathy. Then it was something completely out of the question. Although there were also other experiments, Baxter was not content with what he was doing. His reputation had already affected him enough. In fact, these experiments cost him his job as a CIA interrogation specialist, because he considered himself an unfit person to work in an organization at that level of secrecy, since Baxter had become a public figure and many of the top management of the United States CIA, the Central Intelligence Agency, did not share his taste for exotic things like these experiments. And finally he ended up looking for another chamba, but at the same time investigating more about the plant response. The results, well, were very impressive, very very impressive. Well, and let me give you a moment that we have a lot of calls from the Jessi auditorium, which you have thrown out, recommends the film The End of Times, which talks about plants making some kind of red tide, but on earth. It is an interesting movie and at the end of time, certainly and well basically touches on the theme in

38:05 which plants one day get fed up with us and exterminate us. The proposal is interesting and, in fact, the director manages a little bit the idea that plants perceive human beings beyond the obvious, that is, in a world of the parapsychological, a kind of plant telepathy, something very complicated, but that theory is still very fashionable, even though it has not been recently demonstrated, but that theory is very present. Guadalupe Jiménez tells us that it' s true that if she plays classical music, they get pretty, but if they get rock music, they get upset good. This part of the music is also part of a series of experiments that were carried out in the eighties and nineties, when the Baxter affair was. From Baxter' s experiments, there were several postulates there about why this could happen. And within the tests that were carried out in the United States was the musical test that was called where different types of music were subjected to the plants, including the most strident even when all the musics that were put were on the same volume, that is, that there was no rock like that with volumes to burst loudspeakers and a soft classical music, everything was put to the same volume. It was equally severe and acute. All very well, But curiously, the sounds coming from different types of music caused a different growth in plants under controlled conditions, in which the same species of plant, the same soil, the same type

39:37 of irrigation, the same lighting, all very controlled. The growth effect was different. The explanation was basically that the frequencies that are handled for different types of music can stimulate or, to some extent, slow growth. But still that hypothesis of musical plants, of the musical response of plants and was based on physical effects, since different frequencies produce different levels of vibration in objects that are impacted by acoustic waves and, consequently, this would directly affect their growth. If the molecular wall of plants is vibrating too much with too much intensity, its growth may be different from those where the molecular wall of plants is vibrating with less intensity. He was a physicist. Still the problem with Baxter ' s experiment is that it went beyond the physical, it entered the realm of the parapsychological. Mrs Blandina Bolaños also called us. She already tells us that her grandmother sowed any twig and was given to her, telling her to talk to her with affection so that all her plants could be achieved were very beautiful and achieved. And that' s an interesting thing that happens very often that there are people who have a hand for plants and there are people who don' t, that it depends even when they sow the same in the same soil and everything n maybe pr of the emotion with which people work in

41:07 plants. There was also another experiment. You see, once Baxter falls into this situation that well, plants are doing weird things. He does an experiment that has to do with the memory of plants. Baxter had concluded, based on his tests, that plants had the possibility of feeling people' s emotions, people' s intention to feel fear, and many other things. But how much you could remember good at this point, invent an experiment. His experiment requires six students, six young people blindfolded, taking five folded paper pieces out of a hat. One orders to destroy a plant. They' re in a lab and there' s only two floors. So the student who takes out the paper takes the paper and without anyone else knowing, goes in and destroys one of the two floors. He' s tearing it apart.

42:07 Then he comes back without telling anyone that he was like that. The other five students don' t really know who destroyed the plant. Moments later, they all go one by one into that room, into that lab where the destroyed plant and the surviving plant are. On five occasions, the plant has no abnormal reaction, it does not show any movement when the one that had destroyed the other plant enters. Immediately the polygraph records a completely abnormal movement, which showed Baxter that the plant had memory. That' s an important point and good Hey, I have a call to share with you. If you ' ll excuse me for a moment, let' s link it up, see what we can talk about. One moment, please, let' s see if you can throw it and it' s already a moment. Yeah, very good night. Yeah, very good night. Go ahead, welcome, yes, look at this talk of fren peace. I' m this one now. He' s a follower of the show, though I can rarely communicate. It' s actually the first, even though, well, the program is already a few years old. Yes, yes, I' m telling the listeners here. It' s an experience now, so I lived very closely on the subject now being touched upon. Good. This about two years ago I went to a village that by choucla of Tapia, yes,

43:38 a little more inward. It actually belongs to Cuetzala Puebla and is actually a ranchery called the Puebla banana tree. Yeah, well, at the time I went to my wife because, well, there it was partying. The feast of Saint Joseph is celebrated on 19 March. I mean, because it was already coming into the spring and what she was saying to me, we went there for a walk in the village and, indeed, now I witnessed what I told you next. We were walking there on a sidewalk and then she remembered and began to tell me that she had had a guy who had died at that time, about two years ago, her uncle, every afternoon he sat well, rather, he rocked because he had there is a hammock, say, hung from the branches, from a tree but big. Apparently, I don' t know if it was an oak, but it was huge. Long well, this person, this lord dies, dies and the tree, indeed, began to dry from all its branches, its branches totally dry and at that moment, as I saw it like this, dry the tree and in the surroundings, that is, the other trees greening and those that, in some way, do not dry for that season, because the same not well flowered and nothing to see, not because that tree was totally dry, the branches not very great, but now that without not a pizza, not even a leaf, not totally this withered. Then it is unusual

45:13 for its trees to dry clearly and also, in the surroundings, as I commented regreening, and the trees that do not dry there for the season, that is, were totally flowery, even flowery. There was in the set around him and totally dry the tree. So, yes, I missed that and right now, before then he wanted to take advantage of it is the subject that you are now trying to share, obviously, with all the people that we heard of course the program, because yes, just like the tree, he would seem to have felt the loss of that person totally, totally, because even my wife was commenting here, who is the person until he was rocking in the hammock, because now she was singing snorting, that is to say, the Lord was asleep and now it would seem that this presence lives from that moment, from this human being, the other being of some living being that he was. It' s not the tree, because it felt it and completely dried up and notice what a strange experience it was.

46:16 Well, yes, I very much appreciate the call of no, that it is very well and equally measured this program. Thank you very much and you are welcome. Thank you, thank you. See you later, how interesting this experience of fren peace. One would never imagine. I' d think even the tree would mind if one were hanging there. But look, this is a very logical thing to do. When you are in a good mood, calm, happy, you immediately make yourself feel like this. Happy and quiet is perceived. It is not something that can be measured or experienced a thousand times simply perceived. You feel it when you come home and are happy, and other people in your home, your family, friends, children and others feel it if you arrive with the nerves of the extreme, all neurotic by the work, the stress, the thing you want. Everyone reacts that way, the plants also the amazing ones, which is a very large tree.

47:15 What has written us fren peace, a strong tree and that, at some point, well, there would have already been a relationship there between the tree and this person of years and ends the tree. There' s something that consumed him. Sadness. Yes, the proper term of what we were talking about. The baxterm experiment itself, this one that I was mentioning to you the memory experiment. The memory experiment ended up more or less in a situation similar to this described by the plant. It became neurotic, it became hysterical to see how the student who had torn apart the next one came in, which meant essentially that there was memory, just like that for Baxter, at least to click Baxter, the answer of then one plants are observing and recording facts. There is memory, there is reasoning or, at least, an answer within an area that was not believed to be in itself. Buxter ' s experiments went ahead and well, even though they were never conclusive, they were an interesting starting point during the seventies. Baxter' s experiments were resumed by Professor Paniskin. Paniskin, a member of different institutes within the Soviet Union, carried out another branch of experiments with what idea to know if plants learn Yes? Yeah, to know if plants learn what? He did well, placed some kind of rock, iron or iron stone next to the plant

48:45 and then it bit the plant and applied an electric shock, that is, torture while the piece of ferrite was there. Immediately after finishing the touches, the tribes against the plant removed the ferrite and so for several days. Over the course of a week, this man did the same experiment. He arrived, placed his ferrite stone and put a touch on the plant. Then he began to perform different tests. For example, he arrived and placed an ordinary stone next to the plant. The plant had no answer. There was no answer in the polygraph, in the electrical apparatus, in the electric pulse meter, the plant remained still. But he even carried out other tests in which he arrived and placed the ferrite stone and the plant became hysterical or at least recorded the device. I was recording a very abnormal movement. Well, a hysterical term isn' t correct, it doesn' t apply to plants, but it got nervous, so to speak, it was altered by recording an unusual movement within the polygraph. Even if I didn' t touch him if I didn' t do anything to him. The plant recorded fear, essentially panic over what was in front of it. It was a very strange feeling because the plant was not being touched. There was no answer how he found out that that was a ferrite stone in a normal stone. The answers could not be given. Apparently, they would have a series of senses systems,

50:19 external sensory systems, but how to explain it well would be the case of global consciousness or the terispirit of plants. This part still, as I said, has more to do with the scope of the parapsychological. But the implications of this experiment and these experiments of being able to be carried out would be quite impressive. There are many other works around this, many of them, even very impressive things, such as a series of works that were known as biocommunications, saw them communications, to say from Peter Trappings, author of the book The Secret Life of or Plants is essentially that the way in which all living beings, including, of course, plants, microbes, interrelate and perceive each other. How that' s the only detail. The answer isn' t there yet. We can' t know. And while Baxter' s experiment may have had many anomalies and, in fact, there have been some contradictions, that is also important to mention. Baxter' s experiment has tried to repeat itself on many occasions without any success. So, as in several attempts. Different institutes and research- related people have tried to repeat them, but without much success. There has even been some evidence within very sophisticated research institutes in Stanford and Yale, and the results were handled as fraudulent, i

51:49 e that they labeled this subject Baxter as fraudulent because they didn' t work as he wanted. That' s where the doubt lay. In fact, the prestige of this subject was very much questioned by the matter that a second experiment had not been possible. It had not been possible to prove that Baxter ' s experiment was real. That would remain there as a mark. But there were a lot of other experiments that, while they didn' t get all the answers, there were important answers. One of them is in the seventy- one. There, Dr George Flowrence, of the Echola Institute in San Bernardino, California, conducted a series of tests, performing electrical stimuli in plants, but also within the field of psychic, telepathic communication. Yeah, yeah, yeah, telepathic communication. Okay. Apparently, the experiments yielded strange results. It could not be categorized as positive, but it was very strange, since plants responded in very unusual ways, with positive thoughts, with negative thoughts and things already more within the terrain of the esoteric. But the results, at least in other words, were not expected, but they were not negative either, that is, that the plants perceived if you were having positive

53:21 or negative thoughts. What you think as I told you the thing is that well, Baxter claimed that his experiments were real and perfectly controlled and verifiable. However, there was a good research carried out by American society for the advancement of the sciences. This organism has been the unquestionable skeptic of all time, and well he requested this institution to ask six different researchers to try to repeat Baxter' s tests in the tests of one thousand nine hundred sixty- six, but tried to repeat them in one thousand nine hundred seventy- five.

54:01 Five of the six researchers who participated in the tests responded that the plants definitely did not respond emotionally to the attacks and that they also had no telepathic communication and that there was no such evidence as that claimed by Baxter. This generated the Baxter experiment to end in discredit and this guy had to look for another job. Only in nineteen hundred and eighty- two it happened that a thesis appeared in which this matter was broken again and generated a huge controversy again, but this time on the basis of scientific evidence. David Roades of the University of Washington, specialist in Biology, PhD, and all that a lot of academic degrees, presented a study in which he showed that certain types of willow had a joint response. This was a very strange thing. What Roads had discovered was that, in a section of willow forest, if one of the willows was attacked by a caterpillar, by a particular type of caterpillar, the neighbors in a large radius around them began to secrete a type of resin that prevented the caterpillar attack. Usually, willows don' t secrete this substance.

55:31 A healthy willow is not added to that substance. This kind of resin toxic to caterpillars is not something they have in a consuetudada way, that is, it is not something that is given. Naturally, the willow does not release this substance, but is being attacked. Interestingly, even though the willows around the infected tree did not have the presence of the caterpillar, they began to segregate the substance in a clear subtraction to communication between them. Now the experiment also included an analysis of how this could be done. But what they did was good. Verify well a willow falls a caterpillar and begins to sweep it, the substance is added. This substance releases very finite particles in the air that are perceived by the other trees and, evidently, respond by receiving this information through the leaves, through the breathing of the plants and others, well, they respond by also segregating their substance. Except good got too fast.

56:37 In fact, the process took place only a few hours after the first caterpillars fell into one of the willows was practically simultaneously. Indeed, there had not been time for the resin of the infected tree to volatilize, remain in suspension in the air and be perceived by the trees. It didn' t happen in a matter of hours. The problem with this is that the tree begins to work in reverse way during the nights. Therefore, he could not have perceived the phenomenon. Of course the theory of vegetable telepathy was not demonstrated there and it was simply presented as an analysis of something curious, of something unusual.

57:24 But of course many other analyses would still be lacking. It is difficult to point out that with a little information one can determine something, but certainly what gives that doubt, what is there. Plants really perceive what we want our intentions. They feel nostalgia for their owners, they feel afraid. Another series of experiments were also carried out in different degrees and by different people, including, for example, the impact of the impact hypothesis. This was a very crazy test in which one plant was placed along with several more. Suddenly, someone came in, took a hammer and crushed one of the plants.

58:07 Then this person comes out and comes back. Someone else takes the hammer and he' s gonna hit the plant. He reacts with fear. The plant has a completely anomalous response. When you perceive that you will be beaten, and even when the subject does not end up hitting you, the plant reacts before it happens. After this, the same guy comes back. Repeat the operation that you will hit the plant with the hammer and the plant no longer has an answer. I mean, the plant intuits that this guy, who just walked in with the hammer, is not going to hurt him and he ' s not responding. What do they think they don' t do plants, or where they do. That' s a key question. They don ' t have brains, they don' t have heads, they don' t have a neurological center where there can be thoughts, so to speak, then how they can handle this matter of fear, trust, memory. That question is key. It is key to this and well, more calls from the Guadalupe Jiménez auditorium tell us that at home her mom had roses, but well she browed white roses and all the other roses were less white. And he tells us that he also has violets of colors, but that, curiously, neither the white ones are given, because something, something can be there, something can be there. Perhaps the plants perceive that white ones are not welcome. Or there' s even an anti- patilla from the other plants

59:38 to the white plants. How to know in this theory that there is now, in this hypothesis that plants have emotions and so on, everything would fit. Irene Hernández Medina, greetings to Mr MiguelÁngel Mesa who always listened to the Man program. A hug over there and thank you so much for listening to us. And she tells us that when her mother- in- law passed away, she had a very nice lemon tree, but when she died she dried up. This happens so often, and besides, for example, the lemon tree, the orange trees, all of these are also incredibly sensitive. Fernando Acosta comments that he is very interesting and his grandmother, for example, talked with plants. When we can feel what plants feel, we' ll be on the right track to save them. I feel that if we were more aware that plants have or have feelings, emotions and so on and that each plant that is destroyed in some way affects in some way, we would be more aware. Look, it' s simple. If you visit villages of the Sierra Norte where there is a lot of vegetation, the atmosphere is pleasant, the atmosphere is very different than if you visit, for example, a street in the center of Puebla, where trucks pass, there is noise, there is noise, it is very different the emotion that can be felt in one place and another regarding the issue of plants. The big question here is how they perceive it. And the delicate issue is up to this

1:01:09 point experiments, although they have not been conclusive. We already have about a hundred years running tests. It has not been possible to determine to 100% that plants have definite reactions with respect to humans or with regard to their environment in general, but there have been at least several experiments that have remained at the level of we cannot explain it although there is not yet a definitive answer, if there is sowed a strong doubt about this. It has not been possible to categorically deny beyond any doubt that plants perceive. And there' s been such a lot of experiments in recent years that, well, we just can' t close our eyes and say there' s no such thing.

1:01:53 Apparently, there is enough evidence for the matter to be reconsidered and if the higher circles of science come, where definitive and maximum experiments are carried out. A more formal investigation process has not yet been undertaken. If there are several papers, several publications that present results that lead us to think about this possibility. One of the articles published in the New York Times by Mrs Torrety Retella, belonging to Temple Blue College or in Denver, Colorado, a research institute and so on. This document presented evidence as to the sensation of the musical perception of plants. This is one of the most recent tests where a group of plants were placed with Bacha music, which is baroque music, very quiet, very pleasant, very stimulating. They were given cytrate music, which is also incredibly reassuring. Nice soft environmental music and plants grew much higher than plants that were in a normal environment. Speaking of much greater, it is that the response in growth and plant quality was about forty percent higher over a period of several weeks. During that same period of time, the plants next door, that is, those that were not subjected to soft and pleasant music, but were in an empty environment where there was no audio, presented a regular

1:03:25 growth, a common growth, even though the quality of their leaves in the green of them was not so prominent. However, the cornerstone of the experiment was that, after six weeks of testing with cytara bar music and all that, the same plants were subjected to strident acid rock music. They died. All the plants in the batch that was subjected to audio died, while the plants that were in the sterile environment, in which there was no music, in which there was no audio, simply followed their normal growth, while the others were spoiled all and in an almost sequenced form, that is, all at the same time. This was surprising as simple as that, but what would we conclude from it? Well, the problem with all this is if plants perceive, feel, remember where they do it, if they don' t have a brain and have no neurological composition to do it. The only option is in an external body, in an external organ, in something that is not within them. What would that be, perhaps, a spirit?

1:04:44 If plants have a spirit, then we, imagine you, that' s where all psychological research intervenes. If the plant had a spirit, human beings, as a result, too, and the rest of the animals as well. The implications of these are extremely serious, enormous. It would mean that we were killing thinking and spiritual beings when we ate a leg of beef or anything like that. They are very serious implications, because also in the field of physical, philosophical and other research, it would be as much as agree that there is a general spirit, that every living being has that spirit and that, consequently, it should be respected. But the strongest evidence would be we, as human beings, which is the part that would interest us, we would count on a spiritual part. Definitely, that point may be the great objection for researchers, because accepting that this is true, that plants have memory and sensitivity, then they would have to explain what happens to human beings and then it would have to be accepted that if there is telepathy and telecommunication between plants, there are three human beings. It' s a very big implication, or you didn' t grow up. Thank you so much for all your calls and for your company. Lerece a good weekend and the best of nights until then follow us also on our YouTube channel, stories on the dark side